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Nanian.

and the races to watch tomorrow

in addition of course to the New York

City mayoral election.

Meanwhile, Trump tacos

sitting in uh for Wednesday's Scotus

oral arguments on tariffs says he's not

going to go now.

>> New York City smashes records for early

turnout times five.

Also, uh, some good news from mom Donnie

in those numbers. Young people

came out in droves

representing 56%

of early voting.

>> Meanwhile, the US kills another random

three people on the Caribbean Sea.

Don't know much about them.

Meanwhile, Trump at an all-time low

in or I should say all-time low uh high

in unfavorability

all-time low for his second term in favorability.

favorability.

And however, Democrats re uh remain

unable to gain that support.

Shut down a day away from the longest in

US history.

as courtordered SNAP benefits are

Elections across the country tomorrow

may very well set the tone for the

midterms and also may very well be a

predicate for Trump's military deployments.

Judge meanwhile federal judge meanwhile halts

halts

>> National Guard's deployment in Oregon.

and RFK Jr. FDA top uh

>> drug regulator I should say RFK Junior's

FDA top drug regulator resigns after

unspecified ethical concerns.

>> All this

and more on today's Majority Report.

Welcome ladies and gentlemen. It is

Monday. This is Monday.

>> Monday. Monday. Yeah, I know. It might actually.

actually.

>> Says Emma Vigland. >> Hello.

>> Hello.

>> Of the Majority Report.

>> Yes, that's me. Nice to see you. It's

going to be a very, very good week.

Hopefully. Hopefully. Hopefully.

>> Uh there's a big election tomorrow. Uh

the um numbers over the weekend in terms

of uh early voting were just massive. We

will get into that uh later in the

program. Um,

>> and there's also just huge races across

the country, too, getting a little less

attention. Like Omar Fate in Minneapolis

got in Minneapolis. Omar and and Robin.

Uh, and there's other great candidates

running in Minneapolis, too. Minneapolis

definitely. Uh, lock in.

>> Katie Wilson.

>> Rank choice voting.

>> Seattle. Yeah,

>> rank choice voting. Uh, very important

to keep in mind.

>> Don't Rick Fry. >> Yes.

>> Yes.

>> Um, yeah. Do we know like sort of how

that's working or um

>> that's the strategy I believe is don't

rank fry. >> Um

>> Um

uh we have other races. We have one uh

that's right across the

which way is it? The west uh the the

river to our west. Um well actually it's

right across two rivers for us here uh

in New Jersey. And um I suspect there's

going to be an interesting compare and

contrast relative to what happens in New

York City. Now, of course, New Jersey

isn't as blue as New York City is, but

in some respects, the choice between Mum

Donnie and Andrew Cuomo,

um with all due respect to Curtis Lewa,

and I actually mean that. Uh I

appreciate him sticking in the race. Um

I have far more respect for Curtis Lewa

than I do for Andrew Cuomo. Um, but the

disparity or I should say the the

contrast between Mumani and Andrew Cuomo

seems to me to be as big as perhaps uh

Mickey Cheryl and um

>> Chitterelli Chitterelli. I I honestly I

don't know how it's pronounced,

>> but they had to bring Obama. I mean,

it's it's interesting because that race

is closer than it should be. And Cheryl

is just like a standard mainstream

Democrat and it's been a fairly

uninspiring campaign. So, they have to

bring in Obama at the 11th hour. And

note who doesn't need Obama and who

does. Like I think there's a tale of

these two campaigns showing when you

activate voters on that level and you're

not just operating along the margins

with risk averse tactics. Um you're able

to have more comfortability going into

election day

>> and I think that's going to be a big

part of our conversation on Wednesday. I

mean but we'll see. We don't know how

this is going to turn out. In the

meanwhile uh it is we are on day 34 of

the government shutdown. 35 being the

record. We're definitely going to blow

through that. Um, and we'll have more to

say on the shutdown. Again, supposedly

we're going to see uh SNAP benefits

restored as of today, but uh one never

knows with this administration. But um

what is clear is that we have this

dynamic where Donald Trump and honestly

like this is no surprise,

>> right? the images that are uh we see on

a daily basis of

Trump's Gustapo

masked um paramilitary squads going around

around

beating up people, shooting people,

ramming people's cars. That's a new

tactic they have if you follow ICE,

which you're perfectly legal for you to

do. Uh they now apparently have been

doing some stuff like where they'll slam

on their brakes or they may even

reverse. Um always good to have your

video camera rolling in those instances.

Um people see these images

on top of the fact that

inflation is in no way improved.

On top of the fact that you have

different sectors of our economy are

getting slammed because of the tariffs.

on top of the fact that as far as we

know, job numbers are probably uh gotten

worse. We don't know because of the

government shutdown. Um but certainly

we're seeing more data that suggests

people are having to look for second

jobs. We're seeing uh layoffs from

places like UPS and Amazon in the runup

in the runup

>> to what is ostensibly the busiest season

of the year for outfits like this,

right? Deliveries and retail stores.

This is where they make their money for

the year. That's why they call it Black

Friday. It is supposedly the day when

all these businesses go from uh cash

outflows into cash inflows for the year.

>> We had a there was stats. I saw that

Matt Brun uh posted some of these graph

uh this chart from Moody's Analytics

showing that the top and we've said this

before on the show but confirming the

top 10% of earners are now responsible

for 50% of consumption in this country.

It's just the economy there's a entirely

different economy for the top 10 20% and

everybody else

>> 20%'s responsible for 80% of the

consumption. Uh this is the graph I

actually was

I actually like artistically speaking uh

I also sort of like the way look I was I

saved this to maybe like just sort of

frame it but you can see that um um what

what's going on here in terms of the uh

of share spending and you know this is

something that we've been talking about

again I think we mentioned this on

Friday um

during the Biden the the Biden

administration like the the economic

indicator ators that that we have used

to judge the health of the economy for a

long time. Um

to the extent that they were accurate or

not, you know, I think that's a separate

question. There's a lot of questions

about the not even so much about being

accurate but as providing an accurate

picture for what the economy is doing.

But even in its own terms,

those numbers seem to not tell us

anything or tell us a lot less now

because a smaller percentage of the

population is driving so much of the uh

economic activity that it is um it no

longer means anything for the majority

of people who are living in the country.

And so you can't really assess I mean

it's almost the same dynamic as you know

when people would say

United States is the place where uh

princes and and and and kings from

around the world come to get their

surgery. Yeah. And like oh that's great

except for that's not available for

anybody else in the country. And so uh

what's the value of measuring health

care as a function of what it provides

for the richest 2% in the world? And our

economy broadly speaking is um I think

is in that same category now. Um

certainly you know they're saying this

about the stock market that a

significant percentage I don't know what

it was I think I read the other day but

like something like 80% of the gains

have been a function of AI which of

course is at this point

>> it is not it is not anything other than

a speculative bubble in many respects

and so

>> Nvidia's I think 15% of of US market cap

that is not sustainable that is not

sustain and it just hit a record of

valuation of I think 5 trillion and

that's all based on the bubble that

you're talking about right now. It will

burst. It will burst.

>> And um and so at the very least it does

not give us a picture of what's going on

in the country in terms of like uh um uh

how people's lived lives are. And so it

is not a surprise that Donald Trump's uh

numbers are in the toilet. Um, what

perhaps is more of a surprise is that it

doesn't seem to be benefiting

Donald Trump's supposed opposition. Here

is um uh David Chalian on CNN. It's not

Harry Am that guy

>> or Anton

approval rating right now, John, sits at

37%. That is a low mark in this term for

Donald Trump. His disapproval is at 63%.

That's a high mark for his entire time

as president, first and second term

combined. I will say Democrats and

independents fleeing him, of course,

Republicans still with him, which is why

we'll see him doing these teller rallies

tonight for the Republican candidates

for governor. Take a look over the

course of this year. You'll see down

here midFebruary, late February, he was

at 47 48% approval. Uh that was a

honeymoon period after the election.

He's now been steadily going down all

year long. Why? One of the reasons why

it seems is that the American people

think he's gone too far when using

presidential power. 61% say so way up

from February. And deporting

undocumented immigrants. 57% of

Americans in this poll, John, say that

he has gone too far uh in doing that.

And in fact, he said just the opposite

on 60 Minutes last night.

>> You know, David, a great man called this

poll sort of a a mood ring for the

country. And it does seem that voters

are saying they're in a pretty bad mood.

They are. It's a pretty sour uh American

electorate out there. 32% of Americans

say things are going well in the

country, John. 68% say they're going

badly. This is clearly driven in large

part by the economy, which is by far and

away the most important issue for

Americans. 47% say economy, cost of

living, top issue. 26% say state of

democracy. 10% say immigration. Seven,

crime and safety.

>> Wait, wait, wait. Just go back. Just

keep it up there and just go back a

frame or two if you can so we get Yeah.

>> the color of the mood ring.

>> Well, I mean, aside from like I don't

know why you have to say like the most

important just say what's the mood point.

point.

>> I don't need to be about it.

>> No, no. I'm saying why why do why do

they have to do that? Like treat

everybody like they're four.

>> I don't know.

>> But um what I find fascinating is look

at crime and safety is 7%. Mhm.

>> Um now healthcare I imagine is going to

shoot up

>> because uh people over the past couple

of days are getting their new numbers

and we'll talk about this later but uh

Brian even has a story of like of of um

someone he knows. I don't know how

explicit you deductible went from 500 to

6,000. That's this is just catastrophic

health insurance which used to cost like

32 bucks a month because it doesn't

cover anything unless you literally uh

keep you out of bankruptcy and even then

it probably had a an annual cap or a

lifetime cap. Okay. So the deductible

goes there and the premium goes from what?

what?

>> It goes from 500 which with tax credits

was $40 a month to $750 with no tax credits.

credits.

>> Right. And that is that was like we saw

like the jump between five whatever it

was and 740 is the 26% that KFF had

talked about but without the subsidies

it'sund whatever it is 114%. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Way more than that. >> Yep.

>> Yep.

Um all right let's continue here. I just

wanted to note that crime and safety

thing because remember we are two years

out from that being like the uh story.

trend to Arua is everywhere and um they

uh we're all gonna die.

>> Well, that's his his one of his best

issues. He's underwater on every issue

basically, but crime and safety is I

according to other polls still where

he's least underwater. But to give

people a sense of what people's

priorities are, at least on the national

level when you're talking about

president, the presidency, crime and

safety is going to matter more in a

municipal election or in a mayoral race

than it is going to matter for the

president. So it's just like even on his

best issue, that is a very low priority

to people. And what is dragging his

approval rating down the economy? There

was a separate Washington Post Ipsis

poll that showed that that that he's

really really underwater there. 62%

disapprove of his handling of the

economy to 37% approval. And that is the

kind of thing that means something in

terms of uh like the overall popularity

of the Republicans.

>> All right, continue with

seven, crime and safety. And so what

does that mean in terms of Trump's

policies affecting the US economy? Well,

61% of Americans say it's they've

worsened the American economy. Only 27%

say Trump's policies have improved the

economy. John,

>> that 61% is a tough number for

Republicans facing election tomorrow and

certainly for the president as he tries

to improve his position heading into the

midterms next year.

>> Yeah, it does. That's very insightful.

Um let's look at uh the uh those numbers

from the um we got it from Washington.

Uh this is from the Washington Post ABC

Ipsos poll.

>> Uh that is not the poll, but it is uh

the way that Trump celebrated his

numbers. I mean this is um it's fullon

eat the you know let him eat cake. Um

>> this is what I was referencing earlier

here. And on that other poll, his

disapproval numbers, I think, were

higher. So, you know, they're they're

around super high to amazingly high. Uh

his disapproval numbers, but he's uh you

can go through this. I mean, we we we

see that

>> he's over 60% disapproval on the

economy, managing the federal

government, and tariffs are his worst.

Um he's ahead of where Biden is on uh

Israel and Gaza. that is maybe actually

besides crime his best

>> still 52% disapproval

>> disapproval still but and that is I

think you know the reason that he even

has an advantage on that issue is

because he did at the very least have

the temporary ceasefire that keeps

getting broken in the genocide but it

was something um every every issue he's

underwater every single issue and the

other but the concerning part of that

poll which isn't in this graphic is is

that there was another question that

they asked terms of looking at uh the

Democratic Party and I know

>> 11 I think you can put this up.

>> Yeah, it's it's in the the article.

>> Um seven and 10 Democrat uh seven and 10

US adults say the Democratic party is

out of touch versus six and 10 for Trump

and the Republicans. Now, you made the

great point before the show that a lot

of that is driven by voters, Democratic

voters themselves. who see the

Democratic Party and apparently the

polling shows

>> that um the dis dissatisfaction with the

Democratic Party

>> is the primary thing is that they're not

fighting Trump enough, >> right?

>> right?

>> Um and I mean I think there there's a

lack of leadership.

>> Yep. which is um specifically the

strategy that the Democrats are

following and and and their theory being

that like well

>> uh at the end of the day they're going

to have to you know there's only two

choices and they're going to have to

vote for for us and that may work. Um it

didn't work in 2024. >> No,

>> No,

>> I mean it was the exact same strategy,

right? Like we're not going to change

anything. we represent like you know

stability. You don't want this crazy

guy. Now maybe you know when the crazy

guy is there and you have um the sort of

secular party out of power does well

maybe you can overcome the

gerrymandering that's taking place

maybe. But it's also possible that the

Democratic voter has reached a point

where they're sick of it. like you know

you look at the compromise numbers from

uh I've said this before

in 2010 the number of Democrats that

would say do you want to compromise or

do you want to fight the Republicans

compromise would always win and I think

that's reversed now

>> because it hasn't worked you know

there's only so many times you can go to

the table with the with the Republicans

and negotiate with them and you know I

started just noodling around uh Schumer

uh you know back in uh ' 08 and 2010 and

2012 and 2016

uh archives and

he was so

intent on negotiating all sorts of

things and taking Ryan at face value and

promote. I mean, it was just you see

where this all came from and and

desperately going to like

giving more and more and I will say to

the credit of the Democrats today, they

know they can't do this anymore because

it's a, you know, Trump is just out of control,

control,

>> right? But it is an one of the more

underrated stories in American politics

right now, not on our show, but in the

national press, which is the complete

lack of credibility that the Democratic

Party has with its own base right now.

And that is why we're seeing the rise of

Zoran Mamani. It is why we are seeing

the Graham Platiner campaign soldiering

on despite these efforts by the DSCC to

do this oppo dump to clear the field.

>> It's why Fate has a chance against Fry

in Minneapolis.

>> Yes. It is the idea that dem Democratic

voters do not believe that the one that

you're going to fight Donald Trump and

two that the candidates that you are

selecting are going to beat Republicans

because why would that be the case?

Because we've seen it over and over

again. And so the the party and the like

kind of more traditional players in the

party are very slow to realize that they

have basically lost the trust of a great

majority of their base. I mean, if I stayain

stayain

>> if I was Janet Mills, I would be leaking

that I have a big fight with uh

Gillibrand and Schumer to try and

distance myself there, but

>> Well, she won't even release her medical

records to, so I don't think she has

much to leak at this point,

>> right? I I mean, that's

>> She might be leaking elsewhere.

>> how could you? Um

Um,

let's uh let You thought that made it better?

better?

>> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. Yeah, I actually did think I made

it better.

>> I can't even imagine where you were

going with the first thing then. Um,

in a moment we're going to be talking to

Daniel Nicenian. He's the founder and

editor of uh chief of Boltz magazine.

going to give us a uh breakdown as to uh

what are the the races that we should be

keeping an eye on uh for tomorrow

outside of the obvious ones obviously.

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>> We are back. Sam Cedar, Emma Vigland on

the Majority Report.

Want to welcome to the program Daniel

Nanian, founder, editor, and chief of

Boltz Magazine. I should say welcome

back. Uh Daniel, I think we've been

having these conversations now for

>> many years.

>> Many, many years. Um

>> I think it predates Boltz actually. Um

but uh be that as it may, you put out I

don't know if there's anybody anywhere

who puts out a more comprehensive voting

guide for races

that I I I know you don't quite go down

to dog catcher, but pretty close. and

but but ones that also have become

increasingly important. I mean, I

remember you did this during uh the uh

the first Trump administration

because the relationship between

sheriffs very often uh and ICE is hugely

important and it's become even more

important when the potential of ICE as a federal

federal militia

militia

uh I don't know what else you secret

police grows.

um the disposition of various local

leaders is going to become a lot more

important. So on top of obviously the

big races that we um know about th this

stuff is really uh helpful and

important. So that's my long-winded way

of saying welcome back to the program.

>> Thanks for having me again.

>> Um let's start with obviously we have a

big race in New York City. Everybody, I

think uh who listens to this program

knows that um we got a uh let's why

don't we start with government governors

and then we'll work our way down and the

implications of these races. Um and

we'll work our way down because uh we

have a governor's a couple of governor's

race. They're going to be important um

and also um a couple of state house

races that are going to be really

important in terms of control. Uh where

do we go with the uh governor's races?

>> Yeah. Well, um I think first I want to

emphasize what what you're saying. I

think the point of this guide of this

conversations we're having is to sort of

help break down for people that state

elections, local elections of course

have a lot of stakes that are very

contextual, very local, but for the very

same issues in for which you care about

the federal government, the White House,

immigration, you know, housing, criminal

justice, v voting rights, the the

threats to democracy. That's really

where so much is happening at the local

level, at the state level. And that's

very hard because there's so many

states, so many cities, so many

counties, and where am I going to look?

What what are the stakes? What are the

hot spots? And so that's sort of where

we break down. And um the the the funnel

this year starts right with governor

races in Virginia and in New Jersey. In

both cases, o open races um where the

governor is not running for reelection.

Um one Democrat, one Republican

incumbent heading out. um that Democrats

seem to be favored at this moment to win

both races, which would be a flip in

Virginia and a hold in Jersey. Um

obviously there there is some suspense

as people who follow this can know maybe

a little more in um in New Jersey than

in Virginia, but heading into the the

final day would be an upset for

Republicans to pull off either seat, I

believe. And and part of the story too,

I should say, like obviously the in some

weird ways, the more local you get, the

more material

um the implications of who gets elected

on the on the on the lived experience of

people in these um uh localities,

particularly in light of all the ICE

stuff and and and other issues and who's

going to make up for cuts in federal

funding and whatnot. But we also have

sort of like a um a narrative thing

that's happening within the context of

the Democratic party. We were just

talking about polling where Democratic

voters in particular, I mean,

Republicans are always going to be this

way, but Democratic voters and

independents perceive a lack of a fight

by the Democrats, but also a lack of

leadership. Um, and it seems to me that

at the very least in New Jersey,

um, that's a

hopefully it doesn't prevent Mikey

Cheryl from winning, but there does seem

to be like a drag on her, uh, campaign.

I mean, we're we're it's sort of what

what um we're sort of seeing different

ver versions of the Democratic party in

New York City. On one hand, where the

left is ascendant and might win and in

the other hand more centrist incoming

governors perhaps in Virginia. You know,

I just that's I think there's going to

be a lot of debates. We're already

seeing a lot of articles about which

version of the party is going to uh is

going to win. We're seeing some some um

back and forth exchanges between the

Democrats in Virginia, Democrats in New

York City. At the end of the day, these

are very different places, you know,

very very different electorates as well.

And it's usually often been there's been

an expectation that activists for

instance during the BLM protest that

that activists in Minneapolis or New

York or Philadelphia or wherever who are

thinking about their police practices

should be thinking about the big picture

of what will help Democrats win or lose

at the national level. I mean that's

just not usually how how this works.

People who are doing activism in in

Minneapolis don't necessarily they're

they're not no number one concern is not

who's going to win in suburban Virginia

and vice versa in a way. So, that's sort

of what we're seeing um play out. But,

you know, some of it is also you you you

mentioned a few times immigration um and

the and governors have very strong

authority to limit what state and local

enforcement can do with regards to that.

There's also somewhere where we're going

to see perhaps differences in how

Democrats play it out. We've seen um in

in New Jersey and Virginia, the

Democratic candidates have said they'll

sort of keep in place existing

protections in New Jersey or strike down

some of what the Republican governor has

done in Virginia, but have been cautious

about going very far and promising new

protections. Whereas in New York in New

York City, of course, um um uh there

there's a very different point in the

campaign there on how people are talking

about about immigration. Uh let's go to

uh state judges. Um in uh Pennsylvania

um is I guess the uh biggest sort of

like uh state judges race.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court is um

been very important in terms of like

redistricting questions and I mean we've

seen this also in in places like

Wisconsin. Uh how there are three

Democratic justices up for reelection uh

in Pennsylvania. What are the

implications of that? Uh could could

things flip?

>> Right. I mean, it's it's the race I'm

I'm most um surprised hasn't gotten more

I think attention at the level of the

other ones because it is the swing

state. It's the big biggest swing state

in the country. It's a Supreme Court

that has had a lot of a lot to say in

the past few years on election law

specifically, including rejecting um

President Trump's uh efforts to overturn

the 2020 election at the time. Um so so

you know, a big a big a big a big court

and there are three Democrats running to

stay on the court and rep usually those

are pretty sleepy elections because

Pennsylvania has what's called a

retention election. So it's not

candidate A versus candidate B. it's

just voters go and vote yes or no on

keeping someone on the court and those

usually don't catch fire because there

isn't an opponent. um the default sort

of is yes, but but conservatives like in

April sort of like oh a big opportunity

to to change the the makeup of this

court and they've invested a lot more

attention on on uh on on these three

races and um so Democrats right now have

a 52 majority and if if Republicans were

able to oust them out the three justices

it would erase Democrats uh edge on the

court effectively to 22 and then there'd

be a whole

multi multi-step

uh fight about how to deal with the with

the vacancies. But what's at stake

really is the majority that Democrats

have right now on the state supreme

court of the biggest swing state in the country.

country.

>> I saw Obama tweet out about this race, I

think. um which gives an indication that

maybe um I mean I imagine I don't know

this for a fact but I imagine um the DNC

has a list of like of elections they're

worried about and that's the ones that

they give to Obama and say tweet about this.

this.

>> But you know that that itself it in a

way it's so not surprising that this

race given the stakes I just unpacked

would be on that list. I think for

anyone who just

f follows this stuff, even going back to

2023, 2021, 2020, like state state

supreme courts were really under the

radar even when the stakes made so much

sense for people to think about. I think

what's really changed this on the one

hand is the 2020 election and again

Trump's effort to overturn that and

state courts getting involved and then

of course the DOA's decision and how

important that made state courts on the

fight for abortion that has made these

institutions that were always important

just a lot more um

visible I think

>> and I would add the Wisconsin race in

the spring that Elon Musk went in and

dumped millions of dollars into um and

that really drew a lot of attention to

the you know the relevance of this, but

Democrats have always been, it seems to

me, uh, pretty um, bad when it comes to,

uh, pointing out the relevance of of of

court of court elections or just the

implications of elections on courts.

But, um, let's go to uh, legislative

chambers. Um,

are how many majorities are up in play

across the country? So, the two main um

places to watch, the two main chambers

to watch are the Virginia House um the

Virginia House, which is currently uh

5149 for Democrats. So, it's it's very

small majority. Democrats are trying to

expand it. And if things go their way

tomorrow, it it looks like they'll be

able to. though as is obvious from the

fact that the majority is so narrow, you

know, there there is a a chance an

outside chance of Republicans getting

back to the chamber. But that's the most

important in a way because if that if

Democrats get the governorship as we

were talking about, they want full

control of the state government. They

want to be able to pass laws. They want

to be able to to uh pass laws on really

any any issue people can think about and

that's the state house that's going to

decide it. Um, the other one is in New

Jersey. The state house is also at at

play there. Every single seated at play.

Democrats have a large majority there.

It'd be very very surprising if

Republicans flip it. That's not really

on in conversation. But the exact

there's like conservatives uh

conservative Democrats in New Jersey.

There's more progressive Democrats.

That's a state with a large range of the

Democratic lawmakers. So just how easy

it is for Democrat to pass laws to pass

reforms. That's also at stake tomorrow.

And the last the third majority at stake

is uh in in Minnesota uh in in Minnesota

there's a few special elections that

could possibly flip extremely tight chamber.

chamber.

>> It would take a big upset for the

special election to go uh where we to

flip seats and for the chamber to flip,

but it's still something that people

should be watching tomorrow.

>> We're talking the Minnesota Senate.

Minnesota Senate. Yes.

>> Okay. Um and uh so the the big one I

mean there all three are relevant

obviously but it's also there's in

addition again I guess we should say

this every time in addition to the

material implications of retaining uh a

majority in the chamber or flipping a

chamber is

what it signals to

Republican lawmakers who might be like

running for Congress.

>> Um, oh, I'm in trouble. Like in these

districts, are there particular um like districts

districts

um around the country that stick out for

you as sort of like ones that frontline

frontline Republicans

Republicans

would be looking at and go, "Oh

uh, I'm in trouble."

>> That's a great question. Um, I know just

just yesterday or over the weekend, we

saw a Republican in Ohio who was running

for a US House seat drop drop out of the

race because he thought it was no longer

a winnable race and that that that was a

district that just changed a little in

the new map Ohio pass, but that had

voted against Trump by only three three

points. So that's exactly the sort of

thing you're asking where could there be

results where the mood shifts and

candidates start changing their

behavior, changing their decisions. I'm

going to go very down on on the ballot

and just the the first thing that came

to mind. Um one one thing we talked a

lot in recent years is the gains that

that Trump or Republicans have made

among voters of color, among Hispanic

voters in particular. The immediate

thing that came to mind is um there was

a lot of attention in 2023 when

Republicans flipped a council seat in

the Bronx. That was the first time they

had won a city council seat in the Bronx

since the 80s. And that at the time, you

know, created a lot of headlines about,

oh, is this like um is this is this um a

sign of the things to come? And

obviously Trump made big gains in 2024

as we all know. And and that seat, for

instance, is up for grabs this year.

Again, the Democrats are trying to slip

it back. You know, it's not going to

affect what's happening in the city

council, but there are a lot of seats

like that that people will be watching

as an indication of whether the trends

we saw in 2021, 2023 are going to are

going to be

>> What seat is that? Do you remember what

the what what what number it is?

>> Number um I uh can tell you in the

second 45 spreadsheets that are right in

front of you.

>> Um it is just 3 seconds. um the

the 13th district in in the Bronx. So

that that that's an example uh you know

again very local but just as the kind of

thing people are watching. I mean

obviously the margins in Virginia in sub

suburban Virginia places that have been

very affected by the cuts to the the

federal government will be people will

be watching for the effect of the

shutdown and um and various things of

that nature. And then a final one I'll

just flag again at the very local level

there's executive races at the c county

level in some places that shifted

dramatically right or blue

usually to the right in 2024 in

Pennsylvania swing counties as well as

on Long Island and those are places that

people will be watching as sort of on

the periphery on the margin places where

Republicans sort of surprised in 2024

and whether Democrats can reel some of

that back.

>> Okay, that's interesting. I mean, I

would imagine the uh the Bronx um uh

seat, the 13th district, there's 51, I

think it's 51 city council members in

New York, but I would imagine the Bronx

one's going to be a little bit tainted,

but or maybe not. I mean, it may end up

um giving us a very accurate picture,

but by uh this mayoral race, which is

breaking all records, at least for early

voting, and I suspect it might break

records. I mean, look, it broke records

in the primary. It's broken records in

the early uh voting. I suspect it's

going to break um like uh general

election numbers, I suspect. And so

>> that may be um

>> it may be a sign, but it may be one of

those things where it's tough to know

whether it was a sign until we're

looking in retrospect. I mean, I think

it's all all like that in an off year

because turnout obviously no turnout is

not what it was in 2024 anywhere even in

a very high turnout election by the

standards of local races and and that

that is always a huge caveat. I think

when you're talking about whether the

vibes change and whether that has effect

on how people behave then then who who

knows you know what people what that

that's just so much a matter of what

people talk about what the headlines

mean. Another one to just throw in um

Sam is Georgia has two statewide races

on the ballot. Extremely unusual.

Georgia doesn't usually have statewide

races on an off year. So who turns out

where is very much the question mark.

But Democrats haven't won a non federal

statewide race like a state government

statewide race since uh 21 20 years ago

in Georgia and they have a shot

tomorrow. You know, if if the Democrats

flip those statewide seats, is that a

sign that Georgia is like anchored blue?

Of course not. You know, the the number

of voters going to be so low compared to

2024. But in terms of the in terms of

the conversations it could generate in

the state, in terms of the confidence it

could give to Democrats who want to run

and whether it affects Republicans,

those are all those are all fair

questions to ask.

>> Um, are there uh what are the elections

that stick out for you in terms of ICE?

because now we have detention centers

that are growing up across the country

in various areas. Um it it seems to me

like as much as ever the relationship

between a lot of places it's the sheriff

that deals with the county. the uh

relationship between the local

authorities and ICE becomes really

really uh relevant because um I think

the flip side of how uh these elections

could implicate the actions of the

Democrats going into the midterms and

the actions of

frontline Republicans who might say

like, you know, we already have one or

two who have broken off just in the past

couple of days about SNAP benefits and

about uh keeping the government open. Um

it also might

influence the thinking of the

administration of like, okay, our plan

to have a full-on Gestapo by uh June,

we've got to push that up to April. I

mean, so what uh what what races uh in

your mind are the most relevant in the

perspective of like the relationship

between local leaders in ICE?

>> I mean, that's a great question and I'm

glad you're asking me and talking about

it in part because it feels like not

many people are including in the the

Democratic party. And I say that because

a big theme of our coverage at Bolts

this year was in January we identified

some of the sheriff races that where

there was ICE collaboration was quite

literally at stake because a sheriff's

who runs the jail who runs

local patrols was actively collaborating

with ICE. places that are sort of swingy

or blueleaning. Um, and we sort of were

keeping an eye on them all year and in

most cases, no, no one filed to run

against an incumbent Republican sheriff

in the places we had already at the

beginning of the year identified. And

some of our coverage this year has been

to ask why has been to ask what's going

on. And I'm thinking of upstate New York

or or in Southeast Virginia, places that

either were swing last year or voted for

Harris, a Republican sheriff who

contracts with ICE and then he's running

for re-election unopposed um in the

couple places I'm thinking of. So that's

I mean just just pose that as like the

the context first where this is still

flying under the radar. In most cases,

sheriffs are are are coasting on a post.

One exception to that and sheriffs again

are really to focus. they have a lot of

authority to just contract with ICE

without any control of the rest of the

local government. Um is Bucks County in

Pennsylvania comes to mind. It's

actually a large county in the suburbs

of Philly uh very tight in federal

elections. There's a Republican sheriff

there who's sort of going rogue and

doing a little more probably than is uh

than than the sheriff is even allowed

under local government rules and there's

currently like a fight between the

county commission and the sheriff. But

that's a place where clearly there's a

contract with Vice that's new. A

Democrat is is running um saying he he

wants to end the contract. That just

kind of captures the sort of stakes we

were expecting to see elsewhere. The

other place I would look, maybe not as

under the radar, but the governor's

races are very clearly the the stakes of

what law enforcement at the state and

local level does with ICE is is very

much at issue, especially in New Jersey

where the Republican candidate has

really has made it one of his core

promises that he will immediately end

the protections at the state level that

that the outgoing Democrats have put in

place to prevent

local local sheriffs and local police

departments from contracting with ICE.

So he has said he's going to go in and

end that. Um so that's a very direct

stake that uh on on ICE collaboration

that's going to affect what the police

police departments do. Um and maybe

final say, you know, in both in New

Jersey, the reason the Republican

candidate can even say this is that Democrats

Democrats

did not pass a law that protects that a

law that protects um immigrants and that

and that and that bans sheriffs and

police from from doing certain types of

contract. A law as we've seen in other

blue blue states like Illinois,

California. New Jersey Democrats did not

pass that law and that's why it's really

still hinging on who occupies the uh the

governor's mansion and whether they they

they can do an executive order. Um so

one thing to think about no matter what

happens tomorrow is whether a law like

that passes um in New Jersey.

>> All right. Lastly, uh mayors obviously

big race in New York City. Um there's a

big race that we've been following at

least in uh Minneapolis. Um

>> Seattle too.

>> Uh yeah, tell us where are some you

think it's like the most relevant

mayoral races that also sort of like

cross reference with it it being uh

contested. I mean I think uh in Boston I

think uh Woo is running again, but I

don't think there's any real race there.

It sounds like

>> Well, the Patriots owner uh ended up Oh,

yeah. Right. his kid ran. Oh, he dropped out.

out.

>> And he dropped out. Yeah. So,

>> yeah. So that

>> she's very popular, too.

>> That's what I'm saying. She's she's

she's going to walk away with it. But

where um where are the contested areas

uh and and where are the races that may

implicate a statewide election? I mean,

I imagine um you know, Manny is going to implicate

implicate

the hook Delgado race, but that's going

to be more how they get on. But but I

would think in a small um you know state uh

someone running in a big city uh there

could be some real implications uh in

terms of like the the dynamic of the

state in the midterms.

>> Yeah. Um I mean I think you already

named the the races that I would have

started with. So I mean the the races

you named Seattle um Minneapolis and New

York and would have been Boston were

were sort of the four races where there

was a battle within people who run as

Democrats between left and center. Um

one of them is is done because as as you

were saying Emma the the challenger in

Boston dropped out. There's actually no

one on the ballot tomorrow against Woo.

So that that one is done and and the

other three are sort of that that test

of left left versus center that's

happening and in many other races for

mayor. Um sometimes there's a them

Democrat or Republican like in places

like Pittsburgh or or Pittsburgh or or

Cleveland, but they're such blue cities

that we're not know they're not going to

be a lot of competition

there. I mean, one one thing I will flag

is that the half brother of uh J JD

Vance is running for mayor in

Cincinnati. Um against the incumbent uh

he's the half brother of JD Vance is a

Republican. The the the incumbent mayor

is the Democrat. The Democrat is very

favored to win in a blue city. So, we're

seeing that sort of um uh we're seeing

that all all around. There's there's a

lot of states a lot of races in upstate

New York that are actually interesting

because they were very competitive in the

the

primary um and in Buffalo and a few

other cities. We saw the progressive

wing um win win races uh in the primary and they're very favored to win now in

and they're very favored to win now in the general election. But we shouldn't,

the general election. But we shouldn't, you know, ju just just because a race

you know, ju just just because a race was was um just because a race seems

was was um just because a race seems over in the primary doesn't mean that

over in the primary doesn't mean that tomorrow is sort of the day that these

tomorrow is sort of the day that these people are gonna win properly and and um

people are gonna win properly and and um and and build power. I think in New York

and and build power. I think in New York that's particularly interesting because

that's particularly interesting because you were just saying that a win by by

you were just saying that a win by by the left and Mamani in New York City

the left and Mamani in New York City would by Mamani, sorry, would affect

would by Mamani, sorry, would affect state politics. he's gonna have allies

state politics. he's gonna have allies coming into office in January in a bunch

coming into office in January in a bunch of other cities in New York State um in

of other cities in New York State um in the sense that there are people who sort

the sense that there are people who sort of at the in the progressive end of

of at the in the progressive end of local coalition that are going to come

local coalition that are going to come in office in New York state cities um

in office in New York state cities um which could shift conversations at the

which could shift conversations at the state level around the budget around um

state level around the budget around um and and

and and v various sorts of conversation.

v various sorts of conversation. >> That's interesting. Um, uh, that's good

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Three months from now, 6 months from now, nine months from now. And I don't

now, nine months from now. And I don't think it's going to be the same as it

think it's going to be the same as it looks like in 6 months from now. And I

looks like in 6 months from now. And I don't know if it's necessarily going to

don't know if it's necessarily going to be better 6 months from now than it is 3

be better 6 months from now than it is 3 months from now. But I think around 18

months from now. But I think around 18 months out, we're going to look back and

months out, we're going to look back and go like, "Wow,

go like, "Wow, what? What is that going on? It's nuts.

what? What is that going on? It's nuts. Wait a second. Hold on for hold on for a

Wait a second. Hold on for hold on for a second.

second. >> The majority

>> The majority fun.

fun. >> Emma, welcome to the program. Hey,

>> Emma, welcome to the program. Hey, >> fun.

>> fun. >> Matt

>> Matt fun.

fun. >> What is up everyone?

>> What is up everyone? >> Fun hat.

>> Fun hat. >> No me key.

>> No me key. >> You did it. [music]

>> You did it. [music] >> Fun.

>> Fun. >> Let's go Brandon.

>> Let's go Brandon. >> Let's go Brandon.

>> Let's go Brandon. >> Fun hat.

>> Bradley, you want to say hello? >> Uh, sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm

>> Uh, sorry to disappoint everyone. I'm just a random guy. It's all boys today.

just a random guy. It's all boys today. >> Fundamentally false.

>> Fundamentally false. >> No, [music] I'm sorry. Women,

>> No, [music] I'm sorry. Women, >> stop talking for a second and let me

>> stop talking for a second and let me finish.

finish. >> Where is this coming from, dude?

>> Where is this coming from, dude? >> But dude, uh, you want [music] to smoke

>> But dude, uh, you want [music] to smoke this um 7A?

this um 7A? >> Yes.

>> All right. >> Yes.

>> Is this me? >> Is it me?

>> Is it me? >> It is you.

>> Is this me? Hello, it's me. I think it is you. Who is you?

is you. Who is you? [music] No sound every single freaking

[music] No sound every single freaking day. What's on your mind? Sport.

day. What's on your mind? Sport. >> We can discuss free markets and we can

>> We can discuss free markets and we can discuss capitalism. God,

discuss capitalism. God, >> I'm going to go libertarians. They're so

>> I'm going to go libertarians. They're so stupid though. Common sense says, "Of

stupid though. Common sense says, "Of course."

course." >> Gobbleg.

>> Gobbleg. >> We nailed him.

>> We nailed him. >> So, what's 79 + 21? [music]

>> So, what's 79 + 21? [music] >> Challenge me.

>> Challenge me. >> I'm positively quivering.

>> I'm positively quivering. >> I believe 96. I want to say 8572108501

>> I believe 96. I want to say 8572108501 [music]

1/2 38 >> 911 person

>> 911 person >> $3,400 [music]

>> $3,400 [music] $1,900

$1,900 543 $3 trillion sold it's a zero sum

543 $3 trillion sold it's a zero sum game

game >> actually you're making me think less of

>> actually you're making me think less of >> but but let me say this poop [laughter]

>> but but let me say this poop [laughter] you call it satire goes it's satire

you call it satire goes it's satire >> on top of it all

>> on top of it all >> my favorite part about you is just like

>> my favorite part about you is just like every day all day like everything you do

every day all day like everything you do >> without a doubt hey buddy We see you.

>> it's just the week being weeded out, obviously.

obviously. >> Yeah. Sun's out, guns out.

>> I I I don't know. >> But you should know.

>> But you should know. >> People just don't like to entertain

>> People just don't like to entertain ideas anymore.

ideas anymore. >> I have a question. Who cares? [music]

>> I have a question. Who cares? [music] >> Our chat is enabled. I love it.

>> Our chat is enabled. I love it. >> I do love that.

>> I do love that. >> Um, got to jump. Got to be quick. I got

>> Um, got to jump. Got to be quick. I got to jump.

to jump. >> I'm losing it, bro.

>> I'm losing it, bro. >> Um, [music] 2:00. We're already late and

>> Um, [music] 2:00. We're already late and the guy's being a dick, so screw him.

the guy's being a dick, so screw him. >> Um Um,

>> Um Um, >> sent to a goolog.

>> sent to a goolog. >> Outrageous.

>> Outrageous. >> What is wrong with you?

>> What is wrong with you? >> Love you. Bye.

>> Love you. Bye. >> Love you. Bye-bye.

We are back. Sam Cedar, >> Emma Viglin,

>> Emma Viglin, >> Emma Viglin on the Majority Report.

>> Emma Viglin on the Majority Report. >> Yes,

>> Yes, >> it's the fun half, ladies and gentlemen.

>> it's the fun half, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, we'll get progressively funner as we

Uh, we'll get progressively funner as we go along.

go along. >> That works.

>> That works. >> Uh, we are

>> Uh, we are um a day out from the election.

um a day out from the election. Uday and Cus Lutnik says, "How much more

Uday and Cus Lutnik says, "How much more >> I love that one.

>> I love that one. >> Did the Mr. Cruz Cobra payments go up

>> Did the Mr. Cruz Cobra payments go up this month?" We don't we don't do Cobra

this month?" We don't we don't do Cobra because that's when you're not employed.

because that's when you're not employed. Um I know that they went up. Uh Julie's

Um I know that they went up. Uh Julie's in charge of that. I know that they went

in charge of that. I know that they went up. Um

up. Um >> not like what people are seeing though.

>> not like what people are seeing though. >> I don't think ours was as as big. Um, I

>> I don't think ours was as as big. Um, I don't know if we get them on the

don't know if we get them on the exchange, but uh, be that as it may. Um,

exchange, but uh, be that as it may. Um, uh, they're going up everywhere. And

uh, they're going up everywhere. And this was I I am quite sure I'm not a

this was I I am quite sure I'm not a huge fan of Nuz's politics. I don't

huge fan of Nuz's politics. I don't particularly know them that well in

particularly know them that well in terms of like, you know, where he is in

terms of like, you know, where he is in terms of policies. However, one of the

terms of policies. However, one of the things that I've been saying for a while

things that I've been saying for a while is

is uh and it's not strictly on generational

uh and it's not strictly on generational lines, but it's largely on generational

lines, but it's largely on generational lines. There is an understanding even

lines. There is an understanding even amongst people whose political

amongst people whose political ideologies are to the right of

ideologies are to the right of traditional Democrats or uh you know uh

traditional Democrats or uh you know uh uh more uh uh progressive Democrats

uh more uh uh progressive Democrats if they entered politics not in the 70s

if they entered politics not in the 70s 80s or 90s

80s or 90s um or even the as if they entered

um or even the as if they entered politics later, they have a different

politics later, they have a different understanding of who Republicans are and

understanding of who Republicans are and they have a different understanding of

they have a different understanding of the media environment in which we

the media environment in which we operate in and they have a different

operate in and they have a different understanding of partisanship and

understanding of partisanship and they're much more adept at dealing with

they're much more adept at dealing with situations like we have now. Now, I will

situations like we have now. Now, I will say this, like I I read a piece where

say this, like I I read a piece where Mark Warner, you know, who would

Mark Warner, you know, who would traditionally be the the guy to be the

traditionally be the the guy to be the gangs guy, which is like, you know,

gangs guy, which is like, you know, however many uh in this instance, they

however many uh in this instance, they need five Democrats. So, you'd see five

need five Democrats. So, you'd see five Democrats and five Republicans get

Democrats and five Republicans get together and they would make a fake deal

together and they would make a fake deal and they would get things uh forward and

and they would get things uh forward and that would be it and they'd be called

that would be it and they'd be called the gang of 10. That's that was the

the gang of 10. That's that was the politics all through the as um here's

politics all through the as um here's Nagus.

Nagus. um

um making sure that the press understands

making sure that the press understands the narrative uh that the Democrats are

the narrative uh that the Democrats are trying to push. Now, I don't know why it

trying to push. Now, I don't know why it has to be him. I don't know where the

has to be him. I don't know where the other Democratic leaders I don't know

other Democratic leaders I don't know why Hakee Jeff can't articulate anything

why Hakee Jeff can't articulate anything remotely like this or Chuck Schumer. I

remotely like this or Chuck Schumer. I don't know if he's in some type of

don't know if he's in some type of bunker somewhere, but here's Nagus

bunker somewhere, but here's Nagus making it very clear what the situation

making it very clear what the situation is.

is. If if if we come to November 1st and

If if if we come to November 1st and these contingency fun contingency funds

these contingency fun contingency funds haven't been released, if nothing has

haven't been released, if nothing has been accomplished in restoring SNAP

been accomplished in restoring SNAP benefits, will you call on your

benefits, will you call on your Democratic colleagues to reopen the

Democratic colleagues to reopen the government and deal with these shutdown

government and deal with these shutdown crises immediately, deal with healthcare

crises immediately, deal with healthcare conversations once the government is

conversations once the government is reopened?

reopened? >> So I let me ask you a question.

>> So I let me ask you a question. The basis for your question is, and

The basis for your question is, and maybe the better way to state it would

maybe the better way to state it would be, if the Trump administration

be, if the Trump administration continues to violate the law, if the

continues to violate the law, if the Trump administration unlawfully refuses

Trump administration unlawfully refuses to release funds so that families in

to release funds so that families in Colorado don't go hungry, if the Trump

Colorado don't go hungry, if the Trump administration refuses to follow the

administration refuses to follow the law, as they have for the better course

law, as they have for the better course of the last nine months, violating

of the last nine months, violating statute after statute. If in that

statute after statute. If in that scenario uh these actions unfold, then

scenario uh these actions unfold, then how will Democrats respond? That my view

how will Democrats respond? That my view would be a more fair characterization of

would be a more fair characterization of of the question that you've posed

of the question that you've posed because it it does feel a little bit

because it it does feel a little bit like we are in the twilight zone here

like we are in the twilight zone here with an administration that is lawless,

with an administration that is lawless, violates the law with impunity, is now

violates the law with impunity, is now doing so with respect to the release of

doing so with respect to the release of funds for families that may go hungry.

funds for families that may go hungry. We're here in Washington. You're here in

We're here in Washington. You're here in Washington. House Republicans are gone.

Washington. House Republicans are gone. Six weeks in counting. Gone. Literally

Six weeks in counting. Gone. Literally gone. Won't show up in Washington. Won't

gone. Won't show up in Washington. Won't do town halls uh back in their

do town halls uh back in their respective districts. And somehow the

respective districts. And somehow the question is posed to House Democrats as

question is posed to House Democrats as to how we will respond. The Trump

to how we will respond. The Trump administration needs to follow the law.

administration needs to follow the law. And in so far I you've heard all my

And in so far I you've heard all my colleagues repeatedly suggest we would

colleagues repeatedly suggest we would like to negotiate an agreement in good

like to negotiate an agreement in good faith with our Republican colleagues.

faith with our Republican colleagues. That is why we're here in our nation's

That is why we're here in our nation's capital. Question should be posed to

capital. Question should be posed to Republicans. When will they get serious

Republicans. When will they get serious about working with working with us in

about working with working with us in good faith so that we can reach an

good faith so that we can reach an agreement? And and you know, you uh the

agreement? And and you know, you uh the the the passion you hear is frustration

the the passion you hear is frustration with the fact that Republicans could

with the fact that Republicans could just simply abandon their post for 6

just simply abandon their post for 6 weeks,

weeks, that the Trump administration can just

that the Trump administration can just violate the law without consequence. It

violate the law without consequence. It should offend everyone. It certainly

should offend everyone. It certainly offends.

offends. >> I mean,

>> I mean, >> there you go.

>> there you go. >> That's a good way to put it. And that is

>> That's a good way to put it. And that is like again, this is not an ideological

like again, this is not an ideological um uh assessment. I'm just This is how

um uh assessment. I'm just This is how you do politics in this situation. You

you do politics in this situation. You understand how you're being boxed in,

understand how you're being boxed in, what the narrative is, and you reset the

what the narrative is, and you reset the narrative.

narrative. Not asking for much. This is not like,

Not asking for much. This is not like, you know, I'm not asking for the guy to

you know, I'm not asking for the guy to go out now and uh, you know, change

go out now and uh, you know, change every law because he doesn't have the

every law because he doesn't have the capacity to do it, but he does have the

capacity to do it, but he does have the capacity to do that. And just the idea

capacity to do that. And just the idea that it's that refreshing

that it's that refreshing >> crazy to see a Democrat

>> crazy to see a Democrat articulate like why they're doing what

articulate like why they're doing what they're doing. And isn't that what

they're doing. And isn't that what leadership should be instead of the

leadership should be instead of the criteria being how many fundraisers can

criteria being how many fundraisers can you uh can you can you chair and how

you uh can you can you chair and how much money can you raise because that's

much money can you raise because that's basically what Hakee Jeff and Chuck

basically what Hakee Jeff and Chuck Schumer are there for. Like I looked up

Schumer are there for. Like I looked up Nick Goose here and he has taken money

Nick Goose here and he has taken money from Apac. So, uh, if he wants, you

from Apac. So, uh, if he wants, you know, to be a part of the future of the

know, to be a part of the future of the Democratic party next election cycle, he

Democratic party next election cycle, he should reject that because I would love

should reject that because I would love for him to be even more, uh, like in the

for him to be even more, uh, like in the forefront of communication because

forefront of communication because that's exactly how it should be.

that's exactly how it should be. >> Yeah. I'm just I'm like again, this is

>> Yeah. I'm just I'm like again, this is agnostic of like of ideology or whatnot.

agnostic of like of ideology or whatnot. there is no position that he as a

there is no position that he as a Democrat could hold. Uh that would be,

Democrat could hold. Uh that would be, you know, I imagine out of 200 whatever

you know, I imagine out of 200 whatever it is, uh 12 Democrats, there may be one

it is, uh 12 Democrats, there may be one or two that um are on the other side of

or two that um are on the other side of this, but there is no position that he

this, but there is no position that he could hold as a Democrat that prevents

could hold as a Democrat that prevents him from saying that.

him from saying that. >> There's like that is something that

>> There's like that is something that every single Democrat could say. If

every single Democrat could say. If you're a political party and you find

you're a political party and you find yourself in this situation, that's what

yourself in this situation, that's what you say. Also has the very easy um uh

you say. Also has the very easy um uh convenient

convenient advantage of being completely true

advantage of being completely true >> that the Republicans have been awall for

>> that the Republicans have been awall for six weeks

six weeks largely because they're afraid, I think,

largely because they're afraid, I think, of uh of of the Epstein files. um that

of uh of of the Epstein files. um that Donald Trump has since

Donald Trump has since day one, day two been breaking the law

day one, day two been breaking the law and not allowing for the basic function

and not allowing for the basic function of Congress which is to appropriate

of Congress which is to appropriate funds and his job is to expend those

funds and his job is to expend those funds. And the idea that this is not

funds. And the idea that this is not like grilled into people on a daily

like grilled into people on a daily basis. The health care stuff has been

basis. The health care stuff has been effective, but it does not mean that you

effective, but it does not mean that you don't have to say this fundamental thing

don't have to say this fundamental thing because part of like successful

because part of like successful politics, particularly when you're in

politics, particularly when you're in this negotiation, is being able to move

this negotiation, is being able to move the goalposts so that um as you bring

the goalposts so that um as you bring the the Republicans to their knees on

the the Republicans to their knees on healthcare, which is getting close to

healthcare, which is getting close to that point, right? Like they're going

that point, right? Like they're going around saying like we have a health care

around saying like we have a health care plan, too. It is of course a secret one.

plan, too. It is of course a secret one. It is We have a concept. We actually

It is We have a concept. We actually have a secret notion of a concept which

have a secret notion of a concept which we're going to reveal in two weeks. And

we're going to reveal in two weeks. And I mean they've been doing this for 10

I mean they've been doing this for 10 years.

years. >> They're always cooking it up. Yeah.

>> They're always cooking it up. Yeah. They're always waiting for it. But like

They're always waiting for it. But like this is also why I just bring up you

this is also why I just bring up you know the the difference in between a

know the the difference in between a communicator like this and someone like

communicator like this and someone like Jeff or Schumer is is that we are in a

Jeff or Schumer is is that we are in a new era in terms of like what is

new era in terms of like what is required of leadership with the

required of leadership with the Democratic party as the base is

Democratic party as the base is screaming and saying reject these

screaming and saying reject these corporate interests become a fighting

corporate interests become a fighting party. How do you become a fighting

party. How do you become a fighting party? Well, you have to uh like cut

party? Well, you have to uh like cut those chains off, release yourself from

those chains off, release yourself from the uh corporate interests that are

the uh corporate interests that are bipartisan with the Republicans and the

bipartisan with the Republicans and the Democrats and return to a party that is

Democrats and return to a party that is for the grassroots, it's going to be a

for the grassroots, it's going to be a little bit more difficult. But when you

little bit more difficult. But when you have communicators that are able to

have communicators that are able to generate enthusiasm about the party,

generate enthusiasm about the party, then you get actually people involved.

then you get actually people involved. There's people power and you can have a

There's people power and you can have a more grassroots uh fundraising apparatus

more grassroots uh fundraising apparatus that is less reliant on that. And that's

that is less reliant on that. And that's part of the fight that we're talking

part of the fight that we're talking about here, which is like the old guard

about here, which is like the old guard doesn't want to let go of that, but it's

doesn't want to let go of that, but it's also kneecapping the party from being an

also kneecapping the party from being an effective opposition because if you just

effective opposition because if you just sell it to the American public, you can

sell it to the American public, you can be effective. I I I mean like I I think

be effective. I I I mean like I I think that the how deeply connected you are to

that the how deeply connected you are to corporate America does implicate because

corporate America does implicate because I'm making a sheer competency argument

I'm making a sheer competency argument and I think that there is definitely an

and I think that there is definitely an argument that like being this close to

argument that like being this close to corporate uh money actually breeds

corporate uh money actually breeds incompetence.

incompetence. >> Yeah. Like Jeff is young right for

>> Yeah. Like Jeff is young right for example and he's not doing politics like

example and he's not doing politics like this.

this. >> Indeed. Yes. So it's not your point is

>> Indeed. Yes. So it's not your point is is I think accurate but the reason but

is I think accurate but the reason but when there are outliers it's because the

when there are outliers it's because the fault lines that I'm describing.

fault lines that I'm describing. >> Yeah. I mean, but Nagus is probably

>> Yeah. I mean, but Nagus is probably corporated up. My guess is that's my

corporated up. My guess is that's my guess. And um still, you know, like I I

guess. And um still, you know, like I I do think that there is a relationship

do think that there is a relationship between how many corporate hacks you

between how many corporate hacks you surround yourself with and and how

surround yourself with and and how comfortable you are with them and how

comfortable you are with them and how much of their training in corporate life

much of their training in corporate life has been cover my ass. and uh their

has been cover my ass. and uh their understanding that corporations at least

understanding that corporations at least in this at in this day and age teach

in this at in this day and age teach them you can go far despite what the

them you can go far despite what the bottom line is like your your success is

bottom line is like your your success is not tied in to the success of the

not tied in to the success of the endeavor your success is tied into your

endeavor your success is tied into your ability to avoid the implications of a

ability to avoid the implications of a failed endeavor and that is sort of like

failed endeavor and that is sort of like how uh we see Jeff and Schumer um uh run

how uh we see Jeff and Schumer um uh run yeah in these instances I think like

yeah in these instances I think like >> it's incumbent upon us And you know once

>> it's incumbent upon us And you know once we get some measure of a competent uh

we get some measure of a competent uh partisan party or simultaneously to also

partisan party or simultaneously to also change its ideological um uh uh

change its ideological um uh uh foundations, but tell me that this guy

foundations, but tell me that this guy is competent like this is this is this

is competent like this is this is this is um uh Hakee Jeff on with Jake Tapper.

is um uh Hakee Jeff on with Jake Tapper. Which number is this?

Which number is this? >> Five.

>> Five. I mean, this is just like, okay, so here

I mean, this is just like, okay, so here he is. We have this interesting sort of

he is. We have this interesting sort of uh battle in the Democratic party. Um,

uh battle in the Democratic party. Um, again, New York City not like the rest

again, New York City not like the rest of the country, but also in many

of the country, but also in many respects similar to the rest of the

respects similar to the rest of the country, but at the very least, um, what

country, but at the very least, um, what we see is a national democratic

we see is a national democratic leadership in the form of Hakee Jeff and

leadership in the form of Hakee Jeff and Chuck Schumer, the two biggest

Chuck Schumer, the two biggest nationally uh, you know, uh, powerful

nationally uh, you know, uh, powerful theoretically elected Democratic

theoretically elected Democratic officials in the country,

officials in the country, >> both from New York City, by both from

>> both from New York City, by both from New York City, both constituents of the

New York City, both constituents of the New York City mayor. It's not like

New York City mayor. It's not like they're from upstate. They are literally

they're from upstate. They are literally in districts where Mamani won in the

in districts where Mamani won in the primary

primary and is going to win in the general.

and is going to win in the general. >> Enough with this garbage,

>> Enough with this garbage, >> but we'll see. [laughter]

>> but we'll see. [laughter] >> But they, you know, for all intents and

>> But they, you know, for all intents and purposes, neither one of them endorsed

purposes, neither one of them endorsed him. Hakee Jeff, I think, said something

him. Hakee Jeff, I think, said something off the, you know, the other day.

off the, you know, the other day. >> Not by name. not not by

>> Not by name. not not by >> he's asked the question of is mom Donnie

>> he's asked the question of is mom Donnie the the the the future of the Democratic

the the the the future of the Democratic party and I just want you to be sitting

party and I just want you to be sitting there and imagine for a moment that you

there and imagine for a moment that you did not believe and obviously Mani

did not believe and obviously Mani himself he only has so far to go in the

himself he only has so far to go in the Democratic party uh you know he's not

Democratic party uh you know he's not going to be running for president but

going to be running for president but um imagine how you as just a competent

um imagine how you as just a competent individual you did not want mommy to be

individual you did not want mommy to be seen as the future of the Democratic

seen as the future of the Democratic party or the politics he represents or

party or the politics he represents or the enthusiasm or the you know like all

the enthusiasm or the you know like all the positive attributes you would

the positive attributes you would definitely want. Um for whatever reason

definitely want. Um for whatever reason you don't want this to be recognized

you don't want this to be recognized >> and you're like a reasonably competent

>> and you're like a reasonably competent person who keeps insisting that you're

person who keeps insisting that you're competent enough to go out and represent

competent enough to go out and represent your interest like you know listen

your interest like you know listen everybody has flaws. M

everybody has flaws. M >> I I I would love to be um you know uh I

>> I I I would love to be um you know uh I would love to be able to construct a uh

would love to be able to construct a uh a house, but I realize like okay I I'm

a house, but I realize like okay I I'm I'm a little bit short in some of my

I'm a little bit short in some of my skills. I'm not going to do that. Jeff

skills. I'm not going to do that. Jeff keeps going out there like somebody's

keeps going out there like somebody's like like his mom keeps saying like no

like like his mom keeps saying like no you're doing great like listen to his

you're doing great like listen to his ability to answer this question.

ability to answer this question. >> Do you see mom Donnie as the future of

>> Do you see mom Donnie as the future of the Democratic party?

the Democratic party? No, I think the future of the Democratic

No, I think the future of the Democratic Party is going to fall as far as we're

Party is going to fall as far as we're concerned relative to the House

concerned relative to the House Democratic Caucus and members uh who are

Democratic Caucus and members uh who are doing a great work all across the

doing a great work all across the country as it relates to our need to

country as it relates to our need to both take back control of the House, but

both take back control of the House, but in doing so, make sure that we're

in doing so, make sure that we're communicating to the American people

communicating to the American people like we understand.

like we understand. >> Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

>> Wait, wait, wait. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Did you just say make sure that we're

Did you just say make sure that we're communicating to the American people?

communicating to the American people? I'll tell you something. It would take

I'll tell you something. It would take me an hour with a transcript of what he

me an hour with a transcript of what he just said to even figure out like what

just said to even figure out like what he was trying to say.

he was trying to say. >> It's like a Marcel P sentence.

>> It's like a Marcel P sentence. >> I mean, this is Let's replay this. This

>> I mean, this is Let's replay this. This is not a professional This is not a

is not a professional This is not a professional politician. Like, like,

professional politician. Like, like, listen, I've been in these situations.

listen, I've been in these situations. Sometimes it's difficult. You're looking

Sometimes it's difficult. You're looking into a camera and there's nothing else

into a camera and there's nothing else around. You can't see the person you're

around. You can't see the person you're talking to. You get distracted. Maybe

talking to. You get distracted. Maybe there's like maybe the lights have gone

there's like maybe the lights have gone off. Maybe Oh. Oh my god. Who's like is

off. Maybe Oh. Oh my god. Who's like is is that a is that a is that a is that a

is that a is that a is that a is that a mouse in the corner of the room? Is

mouse in the corner of the room? Is lunch here? Wait a second. Did someone

lunch here? Wait a second. Did someone just whisper in my ear, "Hey dude, what

just whisper in my ear, "Hey dude, what time are you getting off tonight?" Like

time are you getting off tonight?" Like Like who knows?

Like who knows? >> But there is no excuse.

>> But there is no excuse. If you want to say, "Well, the

If you want to say, "Well, the leadership of the Democratic Party is

leadership of the Democratic Party is out there every day fighting for SNAP

out there every day fighting for SNAP benefits, fighting uh Donald Trump's

benefits, fighting uh Donald Trump's illegal takeover of our government." I

illegal takeover of our government." I mean,

mean, >> but

>> but >> no, he would have been a better

>> no, he would have been a better communicator if he were speaking Swedish

communicator if he were speaking Swedish right now,

right now, >> honestly.

>> honestly. >> Like, because it's it's basically like a

>> Like, because it's it's basically like a foreign language. None of the words that

foreign language. None of the words that he's saying have a connection to the

he's saying have a connection to the other one.

other one. >> It's all conjunctions.

>> It's all conjunctions. >> 25 seconds. It's a

>> 25 seconds. It's a >> starting in relation to

>> starting in relation to >> All right, let's play this. The commas.

>> All right, let's play this. The commas. >> I I just I'm sorry. Like I I don't know

>> I I just I'm sorry. Like I I don't know what he's trying to say here.

>> Do you see Mom Donnie as the future of the Democratic Party?

the Democratic Party? >> No. I think the future of the Democratic

>> No. I think the future of the Democratic Party is going to fall as far as we're

Party is going to fall as far as we're concerned relative to the House

concerned relative to the House Democratic Caucus and members uh who are

Democratic Caucus and members uh who are doing a great work all across the

doing a great work all across the country as it relates to our need to

country as it relates to our need to both take back control uh of the House

both take back control uh of the House but in doing so make sure that we're

but in doing so make sure that we're communicating to the American people

communicating to the American people like we understand you deserve better

like we understand you deserve better than the [laughter] country that you

than the [laughter] country that you have received

have received >> Sam as it relates to the video clip in

>> Sam as it relates to the video clip in doing so. Did you understand?

doing so. Did you understand? >> I'm sorry. You're making too much in the

>> I'm sorry. You're making too much in the context.

context. >> You're making too much sense. You're

>> You're making too much sense. You're making too much sense

making too much sense >> pertaining to

>> pertaining to >> You're making too much sense. I

>> You're making too much sense. I understand what you were saying. and the

understand what you were saying. and the Iraq.

Iraq. >> You would have to say [laughter]

>> You would have to say [laughter] in relation to from my perspective what

in relation to from my perspective what we're talking about relative to the

we're talking about relative to the video bringing about from the

video bringing about from the perspective of people who might have

perspective of people who might have heard until after viewing

heard until after viewing >> got a win.

>> got a win. >> The truth is he could have stopped after

>> The truth is he could have stopped after this word here. Uh but

this word here. Uh but >> is the future of the Democratic party?

>> is the future of the Democratic party? No, I think no.

No, I think no. >> No could have been it. I couldn't I

>> No could have been it. I couldn't I couldn't stop thinking.

couldn't stop thinking. >> I mean, like, okay, just I just want to

>> I mean, like, okay, just I just want to make it clear here. This is completely a

make it clear here. This is completely a competence argument. Like, he's out

competence argument. Like, he's out there embedded in what he responded to

there embedded in what he responded to to Jake Tapper was, "We need to

to Jake Tapper was, "We need to communicate with the American public."

communicate with the American public." He said those words

He said those words in the course of trying to communicate

in the course of trying to communicate to the American public.

to the American public. >> They were in unintelligible.

>> They were in unintelligible. >> And I have no idea. I have no idea what

>> And I have no idea. I have no idea what he was trying to communicate to the

he was trying to communicate to the American they deserved.

American they deserved. I also I don't know what that means.

I also I don't know what that means. [laughter]

[laughter] I don't know what that means. I don't

I don't know what that means. I don't think people are upset about the country

think people are upset about the country that they deserved. I think what they're

that they deserved. I think what they're upset about is

upset about is >> the failure of the political leadership

>> the failure of the political leadership within the country or the political

within the country or the political opposition to provide what the country

opposition to provide what the country needs. Like it's not like people are

needs. Like it's not like people are looking around going like I thought this

looking around going like I thought this terrain was gonna be a little bit more

terrain was gonna be a little bit more hilly and I'm the forest green.

hilly and I'm the forest green. >> Excuse me. Like what's going on? The why

>> Excuse me. Like what's going on? The why is half the leaves are losing the le the

is half the leaves are losing the le the trees are losing the leaves and the

trees are losing the leaves and the other half are not or it's too windy

other half are not or it's too windy here. Like it's just I've never like

here. Like it's just I've never like this level of incompetence. It's just a

this level of incompetence. It's just a it's just stunning. And as we talk later

it's just stunning. And as we talk later in the week, we're going to talk about

in the week, we're going to talk about like, you know, the failure of the

like, you know, the failure of the Democratic Party. We don't know how

Democratic Party. We don't know how tomorrow is going to wind up.

tomorrow is going to wind up. >> Thank you.

>> Thank you. >> But

>> But you see them nominate uh Mills, and I

you see them nominate uh Mills, and I mean them in terms of like the

mean them in terms of like the Democratic apparatus. You see them

Democratic apparatus. You see them nominate or attempt to nominate Cuomo.

nominate or attempt to nominate Cuomo. Um they're not sending their best.

Um they're not sending their best. They're not sending their best.

They're not sending their best. You know, people who have done uh uh

You know, people who have done uh uh phone banking know that like, you know,

phone banking know that like, you know, there are people who are really excited

there are people who are really excited about Mundan and there's also a lot of

about Mundan and there's also a lot of people who are like Andrew Cuomo's a

people who are like Andrew Cuomo's a piece of garbage.

piece of garbage. >> There's a vacuum.

>> There's a vacuum. >> And um I don't know uh if um things

>> And um I don't know uh if um things things would definitely not be the same

things would definitely not be the same if Janet Mills was 45 years old and had

if Janet Mills was 45 years old and had launched her campaign six months ago in

launched her campaign six months ago in Maine. I mean, from an ideological

Maine. I mean, from an ideological perspective, I'm happy about these

perspective, I'm happy about these things. Um, but from the perspective of

things. Um, but from the perspective of trying to assess the competence of the

trying to assess the competence of the Democratic Party as a

Democratic Party as a >> institution,

>> institution, >> institution that's even promoting their

>> institution that's even promoting their own agenda, which isn't necessarily

own agenda, which isn't necessarily mine. In many instances, they can't even

mine. In many instances, they can't even do that. It's like trying to watch

do that. It's like trying to watch somebody tie their shoe and they just

somebody tie their shoe and they just keep like tying it to other objects like

keep like tying it to other objects like oh I tied my shoe to the leg of my chair

oh I tied my shoe to the leg of my chair again. But that's but that is where this

again. But that's but that is where this there right [laughter]

there right [laughter] >> what

>> what >> this is where though there this is an

>> this is where though there this is an important moment um because the base is

important moment um because the base is completely out of step with where the

completely out of step with where the democratic leadership is where the DSC

democratic leadership is where the DSC is what they are I mean this Haley

is what they are I mean this Haley Stevens can we please now this is a

Stevens can we please now this is a maybe an easy way to to talk about this

maybe an easy way to to talk about this Sam I don't know if you've seen this

Sam I don't know if you've seen this clip um I don't want to take us to a

clip um I don't want to take us to a field this is number nine but uh do you

field this is number nine but uh do you want to do this

want to do this >> yeah because This is we're talking this

>> yeah because This is we're talking this is the other example. We're talking

is the other example. We're talking about Janet Mills. The other Schumer

about Janet Mills. The other Schumer Gillibrand handpicked candidate is Haley

Gillibrand handpicked candidate is Haley Stevens in Michigan and she is now kind

Stevens in Michigan and she is now kind of floundering and you there was

of floundering and you there was reporting that Mallerie McMorro who was

reporting that Mallerie McMorro who was the other like nonprogressive

the other like nonprogressive left-wing candidate in the race. Yeah.

left-wing candidate in the race. Yeah. >> Uh has Yeah. has met with I think Adam

>> Uh has Yeah. has met with I think Adam Schiff and also Martin uh Heinrich who

Schiff and also Martin uh Heinrich who is trying to like move up in Senate

is trying to like move up in Senate leadership is kind of seeing the writing

leadership is kind of seeing the writing on the wall with Schumer um has has

on the wall with Schumer um has has gotten behind her. So she's like the

gotten behind her. So she's like the alternate pick but Haley Stevens was the

alternate pick but Haley Stevens was the Apac uh like loving Haley Stevens was

Apac uh like loving Haley Stevens was Schumer's uh pick like straight out the

Schumer's uh pick like straight out the gates and Gillibrand but even even when

gates and Gillibrand but even even when we look at at who responded to Trump's

we look at at who responded to Trump's it wasn't the State of the Union

it wasn't the State of the Union whatever it's called the it's the same

whatever it's called the it's the same thing. Um the uh uh Alis Stefan No

thing. Um the uh uh Alis Stefan No Jesus, what's her name in Michigan?

Jesus, what's her name in Michigan? >> You got my disease.

>> You got my disease. >> No, it's I know it's not Slackin. Um

>> No, it's I know it's not Slackin. Um that that he because she's like a

that that he because she's like a centrist, right? And he was like this is

centrist, right? And he was like this is the future of the Democratic party cuz

the future of the Democratic party cuz she's like me but young and now let's

she's like me but young and now let's push forward somebody who's very similar

push forward somebody who's very similar to her, Haley Stevens. She's falling

to her, Haley Stevens. She's falling apart. This was a uh

apart. This was a uh on Off the Record with PBS on Friday, I

on Off the Record with PBS on Friday, I believe. And this is Craig Maler of the

believe. And this is Craig Maler of the Detroit News asking her three times to

Detroit News asking her three times to condemn increased influence of corporate

condemn increased influence of corporate money in politics. And this is how she

money in politics. And this is how she responds.

responds. >> Do you think large corporations have too

>> Do you think large corporations have too much influence in politics right now?

much influence in politics right now? >> I look I think the voice of the people

>> I look I think the voice of the people is very important. And

is very important. And >> is that a yes or no?

>> is that a yes or no? >> I look I don't necessarily view it like

>> I look I don't necessarily view it like that. I I

that. I I >> Why not? I mean this is a lot of energy

>> Why not? I mean this is a lot of energy on the Democratic side right now is on

on the Democratic side right now is on this.

this. >> Well, what would be an example of that,

>> Well, what would be an example of that, Greg? Well, I was going to ask you that,

Greg? Well, I was going to ask you that, but you said,

but you said, >> "Well, here's the thing. I feel 50,000

>> "Well, here's the thing. I feel 50,000 phone calls a year from constituents. I

phone calls a year from constituents. I take my cues from people who are calling

take my cues from people who are calling my office to get help. I I I return

my office to get help. I I I return millions of dollars to the pocketbooks

millions of dollars to the pocketbooks of Michiganders. That is who I serve."

of Michiganders. That is who I serve." >> I think some of your opponents would say

>> I think some of your opponents would say an example is health care costs are

an example is health care costs are through the roof for average Michigan

through the roof for average Michigan residents. The healthcare industry gives

residents. The healthcare industry gives buckets of money to the people who set

buckets of money to the people who set the policies. Why isn't [clears throat]

the policies. Why isn't [clears throat] anything being done here?

anything being done here? >> Well, people don't want to see their

>> Well, people don't want to see their their health care uh prices uh increase.

their health care uh prices uh increase. Uh look, I've worked hard in the

Uh look, I've worked hard in the Congress to lower the cost of

Congress to lower the cost of prescription drugs. Uh I would say that

prescription drugs. Uh I would say that we have got to protect access to

we have got to protect access to affordable health care, you know, every

affordable health care, you know, every step of the way. There's been a lot of

step of the way. There's been a lot of debates about what this would look like,

debates about what this would look like, but we don't want to be in the business

but we don't want to be in the business as Democrats of taking people's

as Democrats of taking people's healthcare away. This is what we see the

healthcare away. This is what we see the Republican party wait. I mean,

Republican party wait. I mean, >> she must really not think very highly of

>> she must really not think very highly of this reporter. I mean, with all due

this reporter. I mean, with all due respect, she's sitting there completely

respect, she's sitting there completely not answering the question.

not answering the question. >> We're in We're not in the business of

>> We're in We're not in the business of taking healthcare away. That was

taking healthcare away. That was actually not the question. People are

actually not the question. People are frustrated with the increasing costs

frustrated with the increasing costs that are making uh health insurance

that are making uh health insurance increasingly less affordable. and uh

increasingly less affordable. and uh they see a relationship between the

they see a relationship between the existence of the health insurance

existence of the health insurance industry, a completely useless industry,

industry, a completely useless industry, with all due respect to those of you

with all due respect to those of you working in it, like honestly, you're not

working in it, like honestly, you're not doing anything.

doing anything. >> Like um you're not doing anything. There

>> Like um you're not doing anything. There is absolutely no service that you are

is absolutely no service that you are providing. It is completely you're just

providing. It is completely you're just gatekeeping for money. That's it. You're

gatekeeping for money. That's it. You're a toll on a bridge that you had nothing

a toll on a bridge that you had nothing to do with building. You had nothing to

to do with building. You had nothing to do with maintaining. You have nothing to

do with maintaining. You have nothing to do with um uh ensuring it exists. You

do with um uh ensuring it exists. You just set up a toll like like like dudes

just set up a toll like like like dudes who would go into a parking lot

who would go into a parking lot >> like a troll.

>> like a troll. >> Like like a [laughter] troll. Exactly.

>> Like like a [laughter] troll. Exactly. And uh

And uh >> she can't answer this question.

>> she can't answer this question. Continue. This is just a complete

Continue. This is just a complete flounder. She answers the question of do

flounder. She answers the question of do you think there's too much corporate

you think there's too much corporate influence in politics with saying here's

influence in politics with saying here's why I don't think now is the time to go

why I don't think now is the time to go for Medicare for all.

for Medicare for all. >> Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. [laughter] >> I would say that we have [clears throat]

>> I would say that we have [clears throat] got to protect access to affordable

got to protect access to affordable health care, you know, every step of the

health care, you know, every step of the way. There's been a lot of debates about

way. There's been a lot of debates about what this would look like, but we don't

what this would look like, but we don't want to be in the business as Democrats

want to be in the business as Democrats of taking people's healthcare away. This

of taking people's healthcare away. This is what we see the Republican party

is what we see the Republican party going down the line of over and over

going down the line of over and over again. When I was first elected to

again. When I was first elected to Congress, it was uh pre-existing

Congress, it was uh pre-existing conditions. That was a fear for for

conditions. That was a fear for for people. And now we're we're seeing the

people. And now we're we're seeing the same old playbook. Well, we're not going

same old playbook. Well, we're not going to, you know, we don't believe in the

to, you know, we don't believe in the the the ACA exchange. We don't believe

the the ACA exchange. We don't believe in in what was set up through Obamacare.

in in what was set up through Obamacare. Now, you've got almost 40,000 people in

Now, you've got almost 40,000 people in my congressional district that might be

my congressional district that might be priced out of their healthcare. So, yet

priced out of their healthcare. So, yet again, we've got to stand up and defend

again, we've got to stand up and defend that. Yes. Should we have a holistic

that. Yes. Should we have a holistic conversation on reworking? Maybe we

conversation on reworking? Maybe we should, but in the meantime, we're

should, but in the meantime, we're playing catchup.

playing catchup. >> We should.

>> We should. >> How could that How honestly could that

>> How could that How honestly could that be any more incomprehensible? I mean,

be any more incomprehensible? I mean, again, like like this is just basic

again, like like this is just basic competence at the job of communicating

competence at the job of communicating to constituents.

to constituents. And I don't, you know, look,

And I don't, you know, look, >> she doesn't have

>> she doesn't have >> Yeah. Yeah,

>> Yeah. Yeah, >> she doesn't even have pat answers.

>> she doesn't even have pat answers. >> She She's the only I mean uh Mallerie

>> She She's the only I mean uh Mallerie McMurro did swear off corporate pack

McMurro did swear off corporate pack money, right? It's not Abdul Aliad is

money, right? It's not Abdul Aliad is the way in that race. I just want to be

the way in that race. I just want to be clear about that. But like Stevens can't

clear about that. But like Stevens can't even swear off corporate pack money. So

even swear off corporate pack money. So that's what she's concerned about the

that's what she's concerned about the entire answer is because she knows that

entire answer is because she knows that she's bought and more and got out ahead

she's bought and more and got out ahead of this current wave where you know

of this current wave where you know early on in the race where she was like

early on in the race where she was like courting Apac money and now it's become

courting Apac money and now it's become toxic. So she is behind in that way. But

toxic. So she is behind in that way. But just to give a sense of like where

just to give a sense of like where democratic leadership is and when you're

democratic leadership is and when you're just talking about a communicator, even

just talking about a communicator, even if she was like a centrist corporatist

if she was like a centrist corporatist or whatever, she doesn't even have the

or whatever, she doesn't even have the ability to answer this question because

ability to answer this question because all

all >> Ask me the question.

>> Ask me the question. >> Okay. Uh do you think that there is too

>> Okay. Uh do you think that there is too much influence on corp of do you think

much influence on corp of do you think there is too much corporate influence in

there is too much corporate influence in our elections?

our elections? >> I I I do actually. I think it's a real

>> I I I do actually. I think it's a real problem and uh one of the challenges we

problem and uh one of the challenges we have as Democrats is how do we go to war

have as Democrats is how do we go to war with Republicans who are attacking this

with Republicans who are attacking this country

country >> we are faced with the dilemma of a

>> we are faced with the dilemma of a unilateral disarmament

unilateral disarmament >> and until we have reform both in in

>> and until we have reform both in in terms of our elections both in terms of

terms of our elections both in terms of citizens united I don't think it makes

citizens united I don't think it makes sense when we are facing the existential

sense when we are facing the existential threat to our way of life in this

threat to our way of life in this country to unilaterally disarm. It is a

country to unilaterally disarm. It is a regrettable and problematic dynamic we

regrettable and problematic dynamic we have in American politics. But I can

have in American politics. But I can tell you, I will say this to uh

tell you, I will say this to uh Michiganders.

Michiganders. I listen to you and while I would love

I listen to you and while I would love to walk away from corporate support, I

to walk away from corporate support, I won't do that because I know that this

won't do that because I know that this is not a fist fight that we're heading

is not a fist fight that we're heading into with Republicans. I need all of

into with Republicans. I need all of these resources. Well, Representative

these resources. Well, Representative Stevens, that was a smarter answer than

Stevens, that was a smarter answer than I was anticipating, but what do you say

I was anticipating, but what do you say to uh the fact that your other the other

to uh the fact that your other the other two major candidates in this race have

two major candidates in this race have sworn off corporate pack money?

sworn off corporate pack money? >> Well, frankly, I think we see in them a

>> Well, frankly, I think we see in them a certain naive.

certain naive. >> Wow.

>> Wow. >> I don't think they're up to this fight.

>> I don't think they're up to this fight. I don't think they realize what we're

I don't think they realize what we're going up against.

going up against. I actually think it's a liability for

I actually think it's a liability for them

them >> because I don't see it reflected in

>> because I don't see it reflected in their politics, in their policies. But I

their politics, in their policies. But I do see it reflected in their ability to

do see it reflected in their ability to fight back against the Republicans and

fight back against the Republicans and what they're doing to this great

what they're doing to this great country.

country. >> Can we cut this part out of the

>> Can we cut this part out of the broadcast so no one uses it?

broadcast so no one uses it? >> McMaro, don't listen to that.

>> McMaro, don't listen to that. >> Yeah. Hey, [laughter]

>> I mean, this is just basic stuff. >> I know.

>> I know. >> How do you put someone to run? There's

>> How do you put someone to run? There's 50

50 there's a hundred senators. It's going

there's a hundred senators. It's going to be hopefully there'll be 50 uh

to be hopefully there'll be 50 uh Democratic ones. There's a hundred

Democratic ones. There's a hundred senators in this country. Are you

senators in this country. Are you telling me that she is the best that we

telling me that she is the best that we can do like like

can do like like >> Schumer thinks so?

>> Schumer thinks so? >> It's crazy to look at her and Abdel says

>> It's crazy to look at her and Abdel says who somebody who actually has is ready

who somebody who actually has is ready for that conversation of what we should

for that conversation of what we should build toward and not just maintain

build toward and not just maintain something that is collapsing in front of

something that is collapsing in front of our eyes in Obamacare and the exchanges.

our eyes in Obamacare and the exchanges. No, it's medic singlepayer Medicare for

No, it's medic singlepayer Medicare for all. move forward or you you can't sell

all. move forward or you you can't sell people let's maintain the stuff that's

people let's maintain the stuff that's collapsing.

collapsing. >> And is that in is that distinguishable

>> And is that in is that distinguishable at all from the Republicans secretly

at all from the Republicans secretly right now because the Republicans want

right now because the Republicans want the ACA subsidies to say that's the

the ACA subsidies to say that's the concession they desperately want because

concession they desperately want because it could save their ass in the midterms.

it could save their ass in the midterms. She's making the same argument that

She's making the same argument that frontline Republicans are making.

frontline Republicans are making. >> Well, she again, like I said, she

>> Well, she again, like I said, she pivoted to the argument against Bernie,

pivoted to the argument against Bernie, which is that you don't want to take

which is that you don't want to take people's health insurance away. She's

people's health insurance away. She's talking about that now as people's as

talking about that now as people's as the whole structure of Obamacare is

the whole structure of Obamacare is collapsing in front of people's eyes.

collapsing in front of people's eyes. >> But the conversation that's going on in

>> But the conversation that's going on in her head that leads her to that answer

her head that leads her to that answer >> is

>> is this is not

this is not a professional

a professional politician. It is some corporate lackey

politician. It is some corporate lackey you have sent out there to do the job

you have sent out there to do the job who doesn't know how to respond. Like

who doesn't know how to respond. Like why is she getting that defensive?

why is she getting that defensive? Well, and getting defensive like what

Well, and getting defensive like what she's basically saying is like I listen

she's basically saying is like I listen I'm a corporate stoogge but what are you

I'm a corporate stoogge but what are you going to do? Have Bernie be the

going to do? Have Bernie be the president? That's what her response was.

president? That's what her response was. Like who are you talking to? Like what

Like who are you talking to? Like what are you doing? It's just absurd. The

are you doing? It's just absurd. The quality of these candidates is garbage.

quality of these candidates is garbage. And the reason why I think part of the

And the reason why I think part of the the reason why they they're such garbage

the reason why they they're such garbage that the the Democratic

that the the Democratic leadership and establishment is

leadership and establishment is promoting is because they are completely

promoting is because they are completely lost. They are totally rudderless. When

lost. They are totally rudderless. When they come up with an ideological

they come up with an ideological perspective, they realize it is founded

perspective, they realize it is founded in nothing. Like they can't even ignore

in nothing. Like they can't even ignore the own contradictions within their

the own contradictions within their ideology today. That's the problem that

ideology today. That's the problem that they're having. That's, you know, like

they're having. That's, you know, like let's play your clip from from MSNBC

let's play your clip from from MSNBC because

because >> Ezra Klein again has now like he keeps

>> Ezra Klein again has now like he keeps and I, you know, listen, I don't care

and I, you know, listen, I don't care about Ezra Klein except for the fact

about Ezra Klein except for the fact that we know this guy is the guy that

that we know this guy is the guy that when they go on senatorial retreats with

when they go on senatorial retreats with the Democratic caucus, they invite him

the Democratic caucus, they invite him in to give advice. And it all sounds

in to give advice. And it all sounds good until you think about it for five

good until you think about it for five minutes. Well, also I mean it was uh the

minutes. Well, also I mean it was uh the the the thrust of a question that was

the the thrust of a question that was asked of me on MSNBC last night, so like

asked of me on MSNBC last night, so like it is driving coverage. There was also a

it is driving coverage. There was also a New York magazine uh I didn't read the

New York magazine uh I didn't read the article yet, but the cover is socialism

article yet, but the cover is socialism verse abundance and it was Bernie and a

verse abundance and it was Bernie and a photo of Ezra Klene and it was like this

photo of Ezra Klene and it was like this is it trying to represent the fight

is it trying to represent the fight within the Democratic party. It's like

within the Democratic party. It's like Ezra Klein's a podcaster and a writer. I

Ezra Klein's a podcaster and a writer. I mean I like the idea that Bernie Sanders

mean I like the idea that Bernie Sanders has been at the forefront of a political

has been at the forefront of a political movement that has continued to grow in

movement that has continued to grow in popularity and he is the most popular

popularity and he is the most popular elected currently uh politician in the

elected currently uh politician in the country not Obama right Obama has the

country not Obama right Obama has the hindsight thing going for him but in

hindsight thing going for him but in terms of people who are currently in

terms of people who are currently in politics his level of favorability is

politics his level of favorability is one of the like you know uh you don't

one of the like you know uh you don't see that kind of favorability for

see that kind of favorability for somebody currently active so that is

somebody currently active so that is like the it's not equivalent abundance

like the it's not equivalent abundance is this astroturf thing that's funded by

is this astroturf thing that's funded by Reed Hoffman that came out of nowhere

Reed Hoffman that came out of nowhere like six months ago because it's about a

like six months ago because it's about a book um and it's about repackaging the

book um and it's about repackaging the old centrist policies for a new audience

old centrist policies for a new audience >> and libertarian ones like Tyler Collins

>> and libertarian ones like Tyler Collins >> and and the premises of these things are

>> and and the premises of these things are just sort of like he keeps having to

just sort of like he keeps having to retreat.

retreat. >> Yeah. because and they keep retreating

>> Yeah. because and they keep retreating to sort of like more and more u a

to sort of like more and more u a combination of a fictional revisionist

combination of a fictional revisionist history over the past 15 years

history over the past 15 years and 20 years really um and sort of a

and 20 years really um and sort of a I don't know massaged vibes thing like

I don't know massaged vibes thing like let's be clear the progressive wing of

let's be clear the progressive wing of the Democratic party has had control of

the Democratic party has had control of two things. I would say

two things. I would say any or influence over maybe not direct

any or influence over maybe not direct control but influence over over the past

control but influence over over the past 20 years. And I would say that was labor

20 years. And I would say that was labor under the Biden administration

under the Biden administration and antitrust under the Biden

and antitrust under the Biden administration. And you could probably

administration. And you could probably say that those were two kind of Biden

say that those were two kind of Biden get labor was maybe Biden taking in

get labor was maybe Biden taking in Bernie for his endorsement and support

Bernie for his endorsement and support and then antitrust was Elizabeth Warren

and then antitrust was Elizabeth Warren when she dropped out and helped that

when she dropped out and helped that coalescence behind him

coalescence behind him >> that was it.

>> that was it. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> To make it to claim

>> To make it to claim that

that in any way the progressives have had

in any way the progressives have had control over political messaging in this

control over political messaging in this country. it o over the past 20 years is

country. it o over the past 20 years is absurd. It is patently absurd.

absurd. It is patently absurd. Like beyond a lie. Now, of course,

Like beyond a lie. Now, of course, people forget

people forget people aren't generally as old as I am

people aren't generally as old as I am uh you know uh doing this. I've been

uh you know uh doing this. I've been following him for 20 years. But it is

following him for 20 years. But it is patently absurd to say that the

patently absurd to say that the progressives have won out. Now, if you

progressives have won out. Now, if you want to say that like, hey, when Nancy

want to say that like, hey, when Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer put on uh uh

Pelosi and Chuck Schumer put on uh uh you know, uh a cloth and kente cloth and

you know, uh a cloth and kente cloth and um and and take a knee,

um and and take a knee, >> um that's uh a little bit too much.

>> um that's uh a little bit too much. Well, the problem is is that it's

Well, the problem is is that it's completely insincere and everybody knew

completely insincere and everybody knew it.

it. >> Exactly. And because it doesn't have a

>> Exactly. And because it doesn't have a baseline of uh underlying class

baseline of uh underlying class conscious politics about taxing

conscious politics about taxing billionaires where wokeness is not a

billionaires where wokeness is not a liability if you're actually a party

liability if you're actually a party that tries to aggressively deliver for

that tries to aggressively deliver for all people.

all people. >> Yeah, Zoron's fine with it because

>> Yeah, Zoron's fine with it because Zoron's sincere about the affordability

Zoron's sincere about the affordability stuff. Zoran has went you first quoted

stuff. Zoran has went you first quoted Tony Morrison saying it's a distraction

Tony Morrison saying it's a distraction from away from all these other things

from away from all these other things and then recently in light of this uh

and then recently in light of this uh barrage of anti-semitism from Cuomo etc.

barrage of anti-semitism from Cuomo etc. anti-Islam Islamophobia.

anti-Islam Islamophobia. >> Islamophobia is

>> Islamophobia is uh Mamani said, you know, I still think

uh Mamani said, you know, I still think it is a distraction, but also I'll quote

it is a distraction, but also I'll quote Tony Morrison again saying, we I reserve

Tony Morrison again saying, we I reserve um the insistence that people should be

um the insistence that people should be shocked about it. That's how to deal

shocked about it. That's how to deal with this as opposed to the Democrats

with this as opposed to the Democrats who frankly want to use want to ride it

who frankly want to use want to ride it for political benefit but don't have any

for political benefit but don't have any commitment to it beyond that when

commitment to it beyond that when polling starts to turn. It's the way

polling starts to turn. It's the way they do it, the way that they will sort

they do it, the way that they will sort of like um use it as a deflection or did

of like um use it as a deflection or did use it as a deflection begrudgingly

use it as a deflection begrudgingly and then just use it as a deflection.

and then just use it as a deflection. It's just bad politics.

It's just bad politics. >> Platner's protrans and it's not it's it

>> Platner's protrans and it's not it's it it's just like a part of his whole

it's just like a part of his whole video.

video. >> He's cutting videos about it.

>> He's cutting videos about it. >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> All right. So,

>> All right. So, >> anyway, I was asked about this on MSNBC

>> anyway, I was asked about this on MSNBC last year. Go

last year. Go >> ahead. Set up the clip.

>> ahead. Set up the clip. >> I mean, that's really it. I was asked

>> I mean, that's really it. I was asked about it and uh I guess so you know I've

about it and uh I guess so you know I've been going on uh weekend uh weekend

been going on uh weekend uh weekend prime time a good amount uh recently.

prime time a good amount uh recently. It's it's very fun. Um Katherine Rampel

It's it's very fun. Um Katherine Rampel I think is a little bit more centrist

I think is a little bit more centrist than I am and she pushed back a lot in

than I am and she pushed back a lot in this clip. And then there was also

this clip. And then there was also >> I think so too. I think she is a little

>> I think so too. I think she is a little >> I'm I'm being polite. Uh John Avlon was

>> I'm I'm being polite. Uh John Avlon was a the guest on next to me and I didn't

a the guest on next to me and I didn't know who he was and now I should

know who he was and now I should probably look these things up but I had

probably look these things up but I had never really gotten this much push back

never really gotten this much push back before on the show. Um I guess this was

before on the show. Um I guess this was a guy uh he used to be a speech writer

a guy uh he used to be a speech writer for Giuliani. He is the co-founder of No

for Giuliani. He is the co-founder of No Labels which is the centrist uh

Labels which is the centrist uh Bloomberg thing

Bloomberg thing >> 501c4.

>> 501c4. And he ran in 2024 in New York's first

And he ran in 2024 in New York's first congressional district and he lost to a

congressional district and he lost to a Republican.

Republican. >> He ran as a Democrat.

>> He ran as a Democrat. >> Yes. But a very right-wing centrist

>> Yes. But a very right-wing centrist Democrat out on Long Island.

Democrat out on Long Island. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> Right. I mean, so essentially former

>> Right. I mean, so essentially former Republican uh or I mean he was his big

Republican uh or I mean he was his big thing, I don't know, 10 years ago was

thing, I don't know, 10 years ago was like he was the radical centrist and uh

like he was the radical centrist and uh >> and I didn't know that before I teed off

>> and I didn't know that before I teed off on centism right next to him. So

on centism right next to him. So [laughter]

[laughter] Here

Here we go.

we go. >> Um, I wanted to get your thoughts on the

>> Um, I wanted to get your thoughts on the Democratic Party here and whether or not

Democratic Party here and whether or not this what this upcoming Tuesday means

this what this upcoming Tuesday means for them. Um, Ezra Klein recently wrote

for them. Um, Ezra Klein recently wrote for the New York Times that over the

for the New York Times that over the past 15 years the Democratic Party has

past 15 years the Democratic Party has made room on its left and closed down on

made room on its left and closed down on its right. For all the talk of what the

its right. For all the talk of what the Democratic party should learn from

Democratic party should learn from Bernie Sanders and Zohan Mamani, there

Bernie Sanders and Zohan Mamani, there should be at least as much talk of what

should be at least as much talk of what they should learn from Mansion or Golden

they should learn from Mansion or Golden or Marie Perez or Sarah McBride. The

or Marie Perez or Sarah McBride. The party should be seeking more, not less

party should be seeking more, not less internal uh disagreement. Do you agree

internal uh disagreement. Do you agree with that stance?

with that stance? >> Um I mean I I don't know what reality

>> Um I mean I I don't know what reality Ezra Klein is living in that the fact

Ezra Klein is living in that the fact that the Democratic party has tacked to

that the Democratic party has tacked to its left in what in what universe? uh

its left in what in what universe? uh the the coalescing around Joe Biden in

the the coalescing around Joe Biden in the 2020 primary, the uh bismerching of

the 2020 primary, the uh bismerching of Bernie Sanders supporters, the issuing

Bernie Sanders supporters, the issuing of that move movement in 2016, and even

of that move movement in 2016, and even in this current moment with Zoron Manni

in this current moment with Zoron Manni who has been a shot in the arm for the

who has been a shot in the arm for the Democratic party, you still have Chuck

Democratic party, you still have Chuck Schumer refusing to endorse him and

Schumer refusing to endorse him and Hakee Jeff's endorsement is lukewarm at

Hakee Jeff's endorsement is lukewarm at best. Um there is a a fight right now

best. Um there is a a fight right now within the Democratic party and Ezra

within the Democratic party and Ezra Klein is representing a floundering

Klein is representing a floundering corporist centrist flank that is

corporist centrist flank that is increasingly irrelevant in the party and

increasingly irrelevant in the party and he's trying to carry water for them in

he's trying to carry water for them in the times. I mean I think it will be

the times. I mean I think it will be [laughter]

[laughter] but it's not necessarily matching the

but it's not necessarily matching the reality.

reality. >> I love it. I'm so excited. I do. I do

>> I love it. I'm so excited. I do. I do cuz I could not disagree more. The point

cuz I could not disagree more. The point Ezra is trying to make is that it takes

Ezra is trying to make is that it takes two wigs to fly and he's trying to

two wigs to fly and he's trying to Democrats need to build a big 10. And

Democrats need to build a big 10. And he's not saying you got to choose

he's not saying you got to choose between Zoran Mani and Bernie Sanders

between Zoran Mani and Bernie Sanders and the centrist swing. He's saying

and the centrist swing. He's saying Democrats need to compete in more

Democrats need to compete in more places. You raised a stat earlier that I

places. You raised a stat earlier that I think is the key one. Why? When Donald

think is the key one. Why? When Donald Trump's numbers are plummeting among

Trump's numbers are plummeting among independent voters, he's got 48% strong

independent voters, he's got 48% strong disapproval. How come the Democratic

disapproval. How come the Democratic party's approval rating is lower as a

party's approval rating is lower as a brand

brand that I was just trying to elucidate.

that I was just trying to elucidate. >> So So yeah. So you believe it's because

>> So So yeah. So you believe it's because they're not far left enough.

they're not far left enough. >> No, I believe that there is needs to be

>> No, I believe that there is needs to be a different approach to politics here.

a different approach to politics here. not building a tent and saying we don't

not building a tent and saying we don't necessarily stand for anything,

necessarily stand for anything, including Ezra advocating for over uh

including Ezra advocating for over uh saying that we shouldn't we should run

saying that we shouldn't we should run anti-abortion Democrats in red state.

anti-abortion Democrats in red state. So, let's throw trans people under the

So, let's throw trans people under the bus. Let's throw women under the bus.

bus. Let's throw women under the bus. Let's just do anything except for

Let's just do anything except for territory though. Are you talking about

territory though. Are you talking about being practical?

being practical? >> Yes. And and trying to expand the map.

>> Yes. And and trying to expand the map. That's what needs to happen here is

That's what needs to happen here is Democrats. How do you expand the map is

Democrats. How do you expand the map is you win in Ohio and you win in

you win in Ohio and you win in Pennsylvania and you win in West

Pennsylvania and you win in West Virginia. As much as Democrats hate Joe

Virginia. As much as Democrats hate Joe Mansion, he was the only Democrat who

Mansion, he was the only Democrat who could win statewide [laughter] office.

could win statewide [laughter] office. >> I'm sorry, but Joe Mansion helped kill

>> I'm sorry, but Joe Mansion helped kill the child tax credit, which was is the

the child tax credit, which was is the reason the Democrats are lagging behind

reason the Democrats are lagging behind in affordability right now.

in affordability right now. >> Would it have been better if there were

>> Would it have been better if there were a Republican in that seat? If if the

a Republican in that seat? If if the Democrats want to orient themselves

Democrats want to orient themselves behind a workingclass coalition and use

behind a workingclass coalition and use that as the base, that is how you build

that as the base, that is how you build a durable coalition, not the one that

a durable coalition, not the one that has lost to Trump multiple times.

has lost to Trump multiple times. >> But if you look at the track record of

>> But if you look at the track record of like Sunrise, uh, Sunrise and Justice

like Sunrise, uh, Sunrise and Justice Dems and these other, you know, more

Dems and these other, you know, more populist progressive groups,

populist progressive groups, >> the base wasn't there. Now the base is

>> the base wasn't there. Now the base is there. The base is currently

there. The base is currently >> not gained, they have not gained a

>> not gained, they have not gained a single seat

single seat >> because of the institutional push back

>> because of the institutional push back from the Democratic party. because of

from the Democratic party. because of the voters.

the voters. >> How about the voters?

>> How about the voters? >> The voters are the voters.

>> The voters are the voters. >> The voters are part of Pause it for a

>> The voters are part of Pause it for a second. Here's here's the bottom line.

second. Here's here's the bottom line. >> There is not a scenario where some crazy

>> There is not a scenario where some crazy progressive uh Justice Democrat has been

progressive uh Justice Democrat has been running in a um uh uh one of these

running in a um uh uh one of these seats. Justice Democrats have been going

seats. Justice Democrats have been going after blue state uh congressional

after blue state uh congressional people. The issue isn't whether like you

people. The issue isn't whether like you know um Joe Mansion was a fluke

know um Joe Mansion was a fluke from a party that was moving to the to

from a party that was moving to the to the right in West Virginia. He is the

the right in West Virginia. He is the last Democrat who's going to win there.

last Democrat who's going to win there. Um what's his face was a former

Um what's his face was a former Democrat, the governor now. They had to

Democrat, the governor now. They had to leave the rep the de Democratic party.

leave the rep the de Democratic party. The biggest stat of which is in 2008 50%

The biggest stat of which is in 2008 50% of non-oleducated white people thought

of non-oleducated white people thought the Republican party was to the left of

the Republican party was to the left of Democrats on race

Democrats on race in 2008.

in 2008. So there was a reorienting.

So there was a reorienting. The bottom line is there's one thing

The bottom line is there's one thing that's going to win like

that's going to win like in a red state and that is an economic

in a red state and that is an economic populist message.

populist message. >> And I every time I kept trying to say

>> And I every time I kept trying to say working class I kept getting cut off. I

working class I kept getting cut off. I was just trying to finish my sentence

was just trying to finish my sentence with like seven or five more words and

with like seven or five more words and it was like when I would say that it was

it was like when I would say that it was like there was this anxiety from that

like there was this anxiety from that other guest and then I mean Rample was

other guest and then I mean Rample was kind of uh in agreement that I couldn't

kind of uh in agreement that I couldn't even get out the final words of that

even get out the final words of that sentence which would have made my

sentence which would have made my argument very clear but you know

argument very clear but you know hopefully it got across to people

hopefully it got across to people >> but sequencing sequentially the bottom

>> but sequencing sequentially the bottom line is

line is >> the issue is not that there is no room

>> the issue is not that there is no room for diversity in the Democratic party on

for diversity in the Democratic party on uh a a host of issues.

uh a a host of issues. But the bottom line is what is the

But the bottom line is what is the primary thing that that

primary thing that that makes Democrats Democrats whether

makes Democrats Democrats whether they're running in a red state or a blue

they're running in a red state or a blue state?

state? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> And they have no answer for that. They

>> And they have no answer for that. They have no answer for that. It is one thing

have no answer for that. It is one thing to say you want a big tent, but anybody

to say you want a big tent, but anybody who's ever built a tent knows that you

who's ever built a tent knows that you need to have a tent pole. What is the

need to have a tent pole. What is the tent pole that makes the Democratic

tent pole that makes the Democratic party? That is the problem the Democrats

party? That is the problem the Democrats have. And there is one obvious one

have. And there is one obvious one sitting out there and that is economic

sitting out there and that is economic populism as defined by like just FDR

populism as defined by like just FDR politics, you could say. And the problem

politics, you could say. And the problem is too many of these Democrats,

is too many of these Democrats, they sell themselves as being socially

they sell themselves as being socially conservative and it is a way to distract

conservative and it is a way to distract from the fact that they do not fit into

from the fact that they do not fit into that one tent pole. You cannot have a

that one tent pole. You cannot have a big tent without a tent pole,

big tent without a tent pole, >> right?

>> right? >> And they never, all they talk about, all

>> And they never, all they talk about, all they talk about, all they lead with,

they talk about, all they lead with, >> whether it's in Ezra Klein or wherever,

>> whether it's in Ezra Klein or wherever, is

is the argument that you need to open up

the argument that you need to open up the tent doors, but they don't ever say,

the tent doors, but they don't ever say, "What is the tent pole? What is the the

"What is the tent pole? What is the the thing that is holding up the tent?" put

thing that is holding up the tent?" put it like there's a client this clip put

it like there's a client this clip put it in my

it in my >> Sam had a tweet I had mentioned this

>> Sam had a tweet I had mentioned this earlier in the segment too the the the

earlier in the segment too the the the quote about uh Schumer saying that you

quote about uh Schumer saying that you know for every blueco collar worker that

know for every blueco collar worker that we lose in

we lose in >> start start with um uh uh start with

>> start start with um uh uh start with this this is from uh Klein's uh piece in

this this is from uh Klein's uh piece in the New York uh times

the New York uh times >> from 2012 to 2024 Democrats move sharply

>> from 2012 to 2024 Democrats move sharply left on virtually every issue now I will

left on virtually every issue now I will say the Democrats have moved moved to

say the Democrats have moved moved to the Have they moved sharply left? I I

the Have they moved sharply left? I I don't think so. But have they moved left

don't think so. But have they moved left on a lot of these issues? Without a

on a lot of these issues? Without a doubt. Uh marriage equality,

doubt. Uh marriage equality, Barack Obama came in, he wasn't going to

Barack Obama came in, he wasn't going to do it. Um and they moved uh left on

do it. Um and they moved uh left on that. Um they moved left on expanding

that. Um they moved left on expanding social security um in the uh 20s again

social security um in the uh 20s again 2020 uh on labor and um on uh antitrust

2020 uh on labor and um on uh antitrust >> sharp sharp lift on every issue they did

>> sharp sharp lift on every issue they did so often arguing they were finally

so often arguing they were finally representing communities that had long

representing communities that had long suffered from too little representation.

suffered from too little representation. Now you see the pivot there.

Now you see the pivot there. He's defining left as explicitly and

He's defining left as explicitly and exclusively

exclusively identitarian politics. Right. I'm just

identitarian politics. Right. I'm just representing the various constituencies

representing the various constituencies within I will also say they did not move

within I will also say they did not move left on education. They moved to the

left on education. They moved to the right on education.

right on education. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> And and education is pretty um uh large

>> And and education is pretty um uh large also austerity

also austerity >> uh and foreign policy. Uh, by the way, I

>> uh and foreign policy. Uh, by the way, I mean, Obama came in on an anti-war

mean, Obama came in on an anti-war message against the Iraq war and then we

message against the Iraq war and then we funded a genocide under Biden.

funded a genocide under Biden. >> Uh,

>> Uh, uh, this was what they were told to do

uh, this was what they were told to do by the online voices in the professional

by the online voices in the professional groups that claim to represent these

groups that claim to represent these committees. This is just absolutely like

committees. This is just absolutely like like

like >> just it's just it's petty and it's

>> just it's just it's petty and it's reductive.

reductive. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> But it went wrong. Democrats became more

>> But it went wrong. Democrats became more uncompromising on immigration and lost

uncompromising on immigration and lost support amongst uh, Hispanic voters.

support amongst uh, Hispanic voters. Yeah,

Yeah, that contradicts your whole premise.

that contradicts your whole premise. >> What is uncompromising? Like what? I

>> What is uncompromising? Like what? I want to know what it is.

want to know what it is. >> Oh, he means uncompromising in terms of

>> Oh, he means uncompromising in terms of like to the left.

like to the left. >> Wait,

>> Wait, >> wait, I'm sorry. That was so dumb that I

>> wait, I'm sorry. That was so dumb that I thought he actually made the point that

thought he actually made the point that was accurate, which is that they became

was accurate, which is that they became hawkish on immigration under under uh

hawkish on immigration under under uh the Kla campaign, transnational criminal

the Kla campaign, transnational criminal organizations, blah blah blah. No, they

organizations, blah blah blah. No, they didn't. Barack Obama deported more

didn't. Barack Obama deported more people in his eight years than we had

people in his eight years than we had seen in uh decades

seen in uh decades was the uncompromising like DACA like

was the uncompromising like DACA like what is he talking about?

what is he talking about? >> I mean I'm curious about what that is.

>> I mean I'm curious about what that is. There were activists who were saying hey

There were activists who were saying hey man you got to have a thing but Joe

man you got to have a thing but Joe Biden

Biden >> ran on the fact that they went and

>> ran on the fact that they went and provided a compromise to the

provided a compromise to the Republicans. He bragged it was a

Republicans. He bragged it was a Republican bill. Does anybody remember

Republican bill. Does anybody remember this? That was our big halt. That was

this? That was our big halt. That was 2023.

2023. >> He's probably saying some Latin like

>> He's probably saying some Latin like Langford Latin.

Langford Latin. >> The Democrats tried to make a deal with

>> The Democrats tried to make a deal with Marco Rubio in 2013. I think it was the

Marco Rubio in 2013. I think it was the big comprehensive immigration reform.

big comprehensive immigration reform. Democrats have done nothing but go and

Democrats have done nothing but go and attempt to compromise and have

attempt to compromise and have articulated not a single I cannot define

articulated not a single I cannot define what the Democratic position was.

what the Democratic position was. There was a 10 years where I think it

There was a 10 years where I think it was strong border path to citizenship

was strong border path to citizenship but got to wait your turn in line. That

but got to wait your turn in line. That was the that was the uncompromising

was the that was the uncompromising position on immigration. It's absurd.

position on immigration. It's absurd. All right. Continue. Uh uh lost support

All right. Continue. Uh uh lost support amongst the Hispanic. They moved left on

amongst the Hispanic. They moved left on guns and student loans and climate. They

guns and student loans and climate. They didn't move left on guns. They stood

didn't move left on guns. They stood exactly where they were. And in fact,

exactly where they were. And in fact, the Supreme Court moved to the right. I

the Supreme Court moved to the right. I mean, I remember when Reagan was shot,

mean, I remember when Reagan was shot, the Brady Bill. We uh

the Brady Bill. We uh >> I'm sorry. What is student loan uh uh

>> I'm sorry. What is student loan uh uh debt at now? Still record levels. Great

debt at now? Still record levels. Great job moving left on that. You have to be

job moving left on that. You have to be effective. He's saying that in their in

effective. He's saying that in their in and again who was like the Democrats

and again who was like the Democrats like who is he saying who the Democrats

like who is he saying who the Democrats are at any given time shifts right like

are at any given time shifts right like yes there was a part of the Democratic

yes there was a part of the Democratic party that was saying forgive Democratic

party that was saying forgive Democratic loans I mean forgive I should say

loans I mean forgive I should say student loans um it didn't happen

student loans um it didn't happen >> I should have

>> I should have >> um you know who just forgave uh you know

>> um you know who just forgave uh you know like sort of loosened up on loans

like sort of loosened up on loans Donald Trump um lost ground with young

Donald Trump um lost ground with young voters as if that was it. Climate and

voters as if that was it. Climate and student loans is why they lost ground

student loans is why they lost ground with young voters.

with young voters. >> Nothing about the genocide.

>> Nothing about the genocide. >> They moved left on race. What does that

>> They moved left on race. What does that mean to move left on race?

mean to move left on race? >> Well, he said in that interview with

>> Well, he said in that interview with Tanahasi Coats that he thinks that if we

Tanahasi Coats that he thinks that if we uh take too much of a historical

uh take too much of a historical perspective about, you know, uh black

perspective about, you know, uh black Americans experience into account that

Americans experience into account that we miss the current granular moment

we miss the current granular moment here. So perhaps he means just like

here. So perhaps he means just like having a conscious

having a conscious >> okay they moved left on education like

>> okay they moved left on education like in what possible universe did the

in what possible universe did the Democrats

Democrats >> in adopting uh race to the top after No

>> in adopting uh race to the top after No Child Left Behind both of which

Child Left Behind both of which completely uh um charterladen

completely uh um charterladen uh corporate imposition highstakes

uh corporate imposition highstakes testing

testing uh in what possible universe was that

uh in what possible universe was that moving left on education.

moving left on education. >> The correlation and causation of all

>> The correlation and causation of all this entire paragraph is messed up.

this entire paragraph is messed up. >> And then and and they lost ground with

>> And then and and they lost ground with Asian-American voters. I

Asian-American voters. I >> This next part's crazy.

>> This next part's crazy. >> Uh and then they moved left on economics

>> Uh and then they moved left on economics and lost ground with working-class

and lost ground with working-class voters.

voters. >> Okay,

>> Okay, let's play. Do we have that clip or I

let's play. Do we have that clip or I took a picture of it, but I think we

took a picture of it, but I think we could actually even play that clip.

could actually even play that clip. >> Well, the good person uh a good fan put

>> Well, the good person uh a good fan put it right beneath your tweets. So,

it right beneath your tweets. So, >> here is a clip from Chuck Schumer

>> here is a clip from Chuck Schumer >> in 2016

>> in 2016 >> on uh 20 in in the run-up to the 2016

>> on uh 20 in in the run-up to the 2016 election. I think it was like uh

election. I think it was like uh probably September or summer or whenever

probably September or summer or whenever it was on uh on C-SPAN.

it was on uh on C-SPAN. For every, this is the second point, for

For every, this is the second point, for every bluecollar Democrat, we will lose

every bluecollar Democrat, we will lose in Western PA, we will pick up two,

in Western PA, we will pick up two, three uh moderate Republicans in the

three uh moderate Republicans in the suburbs of Philadelphia. And you can

suburbs of Philadelphia. And you can repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and

repeat that in Ohio and Illinois and Wisconsin.

Wisconsin. >> Social media,

>> Social media, >> voters who are most out there figuring

>> voters who are most out there figuring out what to do are not the bluecollar

out what to do are not the bluecollar Democrats. They are the college educated

Democrats. They are the college educated Republicans who lean Republican or

Republicans who lean Republican or independent and in the suburbs.

independent and in the suburbs. >> Well, mission accomplished.

>> Well, mission accomplished. >> You did it.

>> You did it. >> In fact, half the people you were

>> In fact, half the people you were sitting on that panel with, Elise

sitting on that panel with, Elise Jordan, John Avlon.

Jordan, John Avlon. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Uh I think Rampel has always I don't

>> Uh I think Rampel has always I don't know probably been a Democrat were

know probably been a Democrat were former Republicans.

former Republicans. I mean, they were I mean, mission

I mean, they were I mean, mission accomplished. Yeah. Except for it didn't

accomplished. Yeah. Except for it didn't work.

work. >> Well, it's al Yeah. I mean, and and when

>> Well, it's al Yeah. I mean, and and when you talk about losing ground with Latino

you talk about losing ground with Latino voters, does the like Democratic

voters, does the like Democratic consultant class refer to like uh those

consultant class refer to like uh those voters as workingass as well because or

voters as workingass as well because or blue collar because it feels like we're

blue collar because it feels like we're talking about this caricature of a white

talking about this caricature of a white bluecollar worker in rural America that

bluecollar worker in rural America that they have completely lost ground to and

they have completely lost ground to and don't seem to be actually trying to

don't seem to be actually trying to appeal to at all. trying to undercut a

appeal to at all. trying to undercut a candidate like Graham Platner who comes

candidate like Graham Platner who comes from a rural state and is trying to

from a rural state and is trying to advocate for policies from a progressive

advocate for policies from a progressive perspective on that front. Um they they

perspective on that front. Um they they talk about Latino voters and

talk about Latino voters and working-class voters as if they're

working-class voters as if they're separate. But in many ways the Latino

separate. But in many ways the Latino vote going to Trump in this way was

vote going to Trump in this way was because of the failures of the Democrats

because of the failures of the Democrats not to act more aggressively on the

not to act more aggressively on the economy was because it was a cost of

economy was because it was a cost of living situation. and so much so that

living situation. and so much so that they put aside his racism and his uh

they put aside his racism and his uh xenophobia about Latino people because

xenophobia about Latino people because they were so uh decimated via their

they were so uh decimated via their material conditions. And so like we we

material conditions. And so like we we lost ground with those voters as well

lost ground with those voters as well because of a lack of urgency and

because of a lack of urgency and economic populism from the Democrats.

economic populism from the Democrats. >> Market based is crazy that the

>> Market based is crazy that the market-based climate um approach didn't

market-based climate um approach didn't in uh encourage young voters who like

in uh encourage young voters who like have no investments. It's like who who's

have no investments. It's like who who's who's excited about our approach to

who's excited about our approach to climate change besides investors? Um

climate change besides investors? Um just a statistic here. About half of

just a statistic here. About half of Border Patrol agents Hispanic. So why

Border Patrol agents Hispanic. So why did they do so good with and make such

did they do so good with and make such inroads with say especially like in

inroads with say especially like in South Texas Latinos? Because they're

South Texas Latinos? Because they're giving them jobs.

giving them jobs. >> Yeah,

>> Yeah, >> maybe the Democrats should try

>> maybe the Democrats should try it.

it. >> It is um it's fascinating to me though

>> It is um it's fascinating to me though that he gets away with with with making

that he gets away with with with making those like uh descriptions and

those like uh descriptions and assessments. It's so

assessments. It's so um aside from the complete lack of

um aside from the complete lack of nuance and simp and simplicity, it is

nuance and simp and simplicity, it is also just not factually accurate

also just not factually accurate >> and it's taken as some type of gospel.

>> and it's taken as some type of gospel. But I will say this, like you see, and I

But I will say this, like you see, and I do think the Democratic party has moved

do think the Democratic party has moved to the left on

to the left on on some things without a doubt. Um

on some things without a doubt. Um there's a while they moved to the left

there's a while they moved to the left on trans issues. Hillary Clinton had

on trans issues. Hillary Clinton had good uh state department policies about

good uh state department policies about passports. Uh remember the North

passports. Uh remember the North Carolina thing that happened in 2017

Carolina thing that happened in 2017 with the um was it sporting event

with the um was it sporting event all-star game or something like that?

all-star game or something like that? And they were good on it because they

And they were good on it because they thought it was easy wind in their sales.

thought it was easy wind in their sales. There was no commitment to it beyond

There was no commitment to it beyond that. And now that the

that. And now that the >> they did not in the past 20 years uh to

>> they did not in the past 20 years uh to the left on uh abortion at all.

the left on uh abortion at all. >> Right.

>> Right. >> 100% no. Hillary Clinton was very very

>> 100% no. Hillary Clinton was very very uh specific in the uh mid odds that we

uh specific in the uh mid odds that we need to uh widen the tent for abortion.

need to uh widen the tent for abortion. Um it was ineffective then it would be

Um it was ineffective then it would be ineffective now with whatever heyday he

ineffective now with whatever heyday he was talking about. Under Clinton we lost

was talking about. Under Clinton we lost the house.

the house. Under Obama, we lost a thousand elected

Under Obama, we lost a thousand elected statewide

statewide uh officials.

uh officials. There has been a slow deterioration of

There has been a slow deterioration of the Democratic uh u party as an

the Democratic uh u party as an institution over the past 20 or 30

institution over the past 20 or 30 years. Completely lost now as to where

years. Completely lost now as to where it is.

it is. What is the pole holding up the tent?

What is the pole holding up the tent? You want to expand the tent, first you

You want to expand the tent, first you need to start with the fundamental thing

need to start with the fundamental thing that is supporting the tent. And they

that is supporting the tent. And they never ever articulate that

never ever articulate that >> because the only answer they have is

>> because the only answer they have is either

either >> we need strategic deregulation is the

>> we need strategic deregulation is the core principle of the Democratic party.

core principle of the Democratic party. >> I mean, honestly,

>> I mean, honestly, >> like it's either like we're not Trump,

>> like it's either like we're not Trump, we're not Republicans. Well, they did

we're not Republicans. Well, they did they don't say we're not Republicans

they don't say we're not Republicans enough, frankly.

enough, frankly. What is the tent poll?

What is the tent poll? What is the fundamental

What is the fundamental reason for the Democratic party?

reason for the Democratic party? >> Yeah. Right. And their their argument,

>> Yeah. Right. And their their argument, and it's the same reason they don't

and it's the same reason they don't endorse mom Donnie, is is that it has to

endorse mom Donnie, is is that it has to be very specific in case by case in

be very specific in case by case in different districts. And it's like, no,

different districts. And it's like, no, it doesn't because there needs to be a

it doesn't because there needs to be a nationaliz nationalizing of this brand.

nationaliz nationalizing of this brand. Like there the the idea that this is

Like there the the idea that this is hyper local and that the Democratic

hyper local and that the Democratic party doesn't have any central planks of

party doesn't have any central planks of what it stands for is like that the

what it stands for is like that the Avlon later gave me an example later in

Avlon later gave me an example later in that clip. We that that was a good place

that clip. We that that was a good place to end, but it was like, you know, this

to end, but it was like, you know, this example from 1977. It's like, bro, we're

example from 1977. It's like, bro, we're not in 1977 anymore. What is this

not in 1977 anymore. What is this example? That's I

example? That's I >> There was one there was one uh guy um

>> There was one there was one uh guy um Simon Basilon who I think did some of

Simon Basilon who I think did some of the work that people are citing on this.

the work that people are citing on this. He cited Heidi Highamp who did all that

He cited Heidi Highamp who did all that uh only to get blown out by a

uh only to get blown out by a Republican.

Republican. >> I remember Claire McCascal losing.

>> I remember Claire McCascal losing. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> All right. I remember Heidi Highamp

>> All right. I remember Heidi Highamp losing.

losing. >> Yeah. And and and that's the thing

>> Yeah. And and and that's the thing though is is in this age branding is

though is is in this age branding is national. What the parties stand for is

national. What the parties stand for is national. And that's what Trump has been

national. And that's what Trump has been so effective at is is like he uses the

so effective at is is like he uses the bully pulpit to say what he stands for

bully pulpit to say what he stands for and by extension the Republican party.

and by extension the Republican party. >> And they're and they're all obsessed

>> And they're and they're all obsessed with outperforming the party. You know

with outperforming the party. You know who outperformed the Democratic party in

who outperformed the Democratic party in the last elections?

the last elections? >> Abortion rights.

>> Abortion rights. >> Dan Osborne.

>> Dan Osborne. >> Oh, Dan Osborne. That too. But but to

>> Oh, Dan Osborne. That too. But but to the point about like we should throw

the point about like we should throw abortion under the bus. Abortion rights

abortion under the bus. Abortion rights are more popular than the Democratic

are more popular than the Democratic party in these states. The ballot

party in these states. The ballot referendums outrun the party and their

referendums outrun the party and their candidates. The idea that there should

candidates. The idea that there should be another issue that we abandon to the

be another issue that we abandon to the right is like actual suicide, but it

right is like actual suicide, but it does enrich consultants who do not want

does enrich consultants who do not want a working-class party, who do not want a

a working-class party, who do not want a party that's based on things like people

party that's based on things like people power, volunteering, canvasing. They

power, volunteering, canvasing. They make their money by running ads that are

make their money by running ads that are very expensive in specific districts

very expensive in specific districts that they think they can hyperarget in

that they think they can hyperarget in these macro like in these this data

these macro like in these this data focused way. It is a toxic cancer. It's

focused way. It is a toxic cancer. It's ruining our democracy.

ruining our democracy. >> I I I I think like the the idea again of

>> I I I I think like the the idea again of uh of marginal uh positions

uh of marginal uh positions to and and by marginal I mean as defined

to and and by marginal I mean as defined as to what is going to be the central

as to what is going to be the central reason for the Democratic party. Um so

reason for the Democratic party. Um so like I don't agree with Graham Platner

like I don't agree with Graham Platner on guns. There's no way I agree with him

on guns. There's no way I agree with him on guns. Um,

on guns. Um, but the bottom line is, does he

but the bottom line is, does he represent a a fundamental perspective

represent a a fundamental perspective that Democrats should have? You can

that Democrats should have? You can afford to have a candidate in Texas

afford to have a candidate in Texas who is squishy on abortion. you can

who is squishy on abortion. you can afford to have a candidate in uh

afford to have a candidate in uh Nebraska that is squishy on immigration

Nebraska that is squishy on immigration if there is a fundamental principle that

if there is a fundamental principle that guides the Democratic party and the

guides the Democratic party and the leadership.

leadership. They have nothing they have nothing to

They have nothing they have nothing to offer it as an operative um uh device.

offer it as an operative um uh device. They have nothing to offer as a

They have nothing to offer as a political program. nothing.

political program. nothing. It is all we're not um we're not

It is all we're not um we're not Republicans. Like the pitch of well uh I

Republicans. Like the pitch of well uh I am uh you know uh uh pro-choice in the

am uh you know uh uh pro-choice in the uh first three weeks of a of a pregnancy

uh first three weeks of a of a pregnancy um and running against someone who is um

um and running against someone who is um uh anti-choice and then your politics

uh anti-choice and then your politics are basically a blur after that does

are basically a blur after that does nothing for you. You're not going to

nothing for you. You're not going to appeal to anti-abortion um uh folks by

appeal to anti-abortion um uh folks by just being

just being >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> anti-abortion because they have the

>> anti-abortion because they have the original one. Like what what are you

original one. Like what what are you offering?

offering? >> Um

>> Okay. Still haven't got to the main clip of the day.

of the day. >> This is this is now we are we were

>> This is this is now we are we were getting progressively more and more fun.

getting progressively more and more fun. Yeah, we're getting more and more fun.

Yeah, we're getting more and more fun. Um,

Um, so, uh, Joe Rogan has his boss on

so, uh, Joe Rogan has his boss on [laughter]

[laughter] the podcast. Um, it is

the podcast. Um, it is >> there is no there is no bootlicking.

>> there is no there is no bootlicking. There is no sort of like cringy and I

There is no sort of like cringy and I don't even think Rogan's you can

don't even think Rogan's you can actually see him in this but you you can

actually see him in this but you you can feel his energy and his laughing at I I

feel his energy and his laughing at I I don't know does Musk set this up as a

don't know does Musk set this up as a joke. [clears throat]

joke. [clears throat] >> Yeah. And give Rogan credit. He's been

>> Yeah. And give Rogan credit. He's been doing standup for 30 years. So he knows

doing standup for 30 years. So he knows a good joke.

a good joke. >> He knows a good joke. Um, what's

>> He knows a good joke. Um, what's fascinating about this to me is uh Musk

fascinating about this to me is uh Musk is about to give a critique

is about to give a critique of

of of something that he doesn't realize

of something that he doesn't realize what it's a critique of. He thinks it's

what it's a critique of. He thinks it's one thing, it's a different thing. And

one thing, it's a different thing. And he doesn't realize he's giving a liberal

he doesn't realize he's giving a liberal critique of this thing. But I think part

critique of this thing. But I think part of it is just because he's so uh

of it is just because he's so uh enraptured by the scatological being

enraptured by the scatological being able to say these words on radio that he

able to say these words on radio that he can't he can't help him. He's giggling.

can't he can't help him. He's giggling. >> He's like giggling. Like honestly,

>> He's like giggling. Like honestly, [laughter]

[laughter] >> I've had conversations with Saul which

>> I've had conversations with Saul which are almost identical to this. Of course,

are almost identical to this. Of course, Saul's more articulate about it. And

Saul's more articulate about it. And frankly, the things he's talking about

frankly, the things he's talking about is not poop. But here we go.

is not poop. But here we go. uh because they'll measure any job no

uh because they'll measure any job no matter even if that job is a dumb job

matter even if that job is a dumb job that has no point and is even

that has no point and is even counterproductive. So like so the like

counterproductive. So like so the like the joke is like there's two

the joke is like there's two >> pause it for a second. He's he's talking

>> pause it for a second. He's he's talking about economist measuring any drop even

about economist measuring any drop even if it's counterproductive. Now this is

if it's counterproductive. Now this is supposedly a freaking genius.

supposedly a freaking genius. [laughter]

[laughter] >> I don't want to say he may be smart

>> I don't want to say he may be smart about some things. I don't know. He may

about some things. I don't know. He may have been smart at a different time

have been smart at a different time before uh the ketamine and the coke. I

before uh the ketamine and the coke. I don't know. But this is one of the

don't know. But this is one of the dumbest the sort of like understandings

dumbest the sort of like understandings of what of

of what of of what he's he doesn't even know what

of what he's he doesn't even know what he's talking about.

he's talking about. >> I I saw a video of him the other day

>> I I saw a video of him the other day saying that Diet Coke is the worst

saying that Diet Coke is the worst branding and someone pointed out this is

branding and someone pointed out this is the guy who has the website that

the guy who has the website that everyone still calls Twitter. [laughter]

everyone still calls Twitter. [laughter] >> Right. Okay. But here he is talking

>> Right. Okay. But here he is talking about how economists the way they do

about how economists the way they do things is messed up. Now, on some level,

things is messed up. Now, on some level, I agree. Uh, but it's

I agree. Uh, but it's >> well, we'll get to that, but yeah, here

>> well, we'll get to that, but yeah, here he is. This is a performance. This is a

he is. This is a performance. This is a great a storyteller

great a storyteller >> on a hike in the woods. So, like, so the

>> on a hike in the woods. So, like, so the like the joke is like there's two

like the joke is like there's two economists going on a hike in the woods

economists going on a hike in the woods and they come across

and they come across a pile of and one economist says to

a pile of and one economist says to the other, "I'll pay you $100 to eat eat

the other, "I'll pay you $100 to eat eat that shit." [laughter]

that shit." [laughter] The economist eats the gets the

The economist eats the gets the $100, they they keep walking. Then the

$100, they they keep walking. Then the other econ then they come across another

other econ then they come across another pile of and and the the other

pile of and and the the other economist says, "Now I'll pay you $100

economist says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the pile of shit." [laughter]

to eat the pile of shit." [laughter] Says, "Still doing the setup, buddy."

Says, "Still doing the setup, buddy." >> Okay. And he's he's laughing throughout

>> Okay. And he's he's laughing throughout this whole thing. The irony is is that

this whole thing. The irony is is that uh we can't see what uh Joe Rogan's

uh we can't see what uh Joe Rogan's doing. And it's also uh like hard to

doing. And it's also uh like hard to know if like Joe Rogan is like thinking,

know if like Joe Rogan is like thinking, >> "Wait a second. Am I one of these people

>> "Wait a second. Am I one of these people who's getting $100 to eat this

who's getting $100 to eat this right now?"

right now?" >> Exactly. I'm eating for money right

>> Exactly. I'm eating for money right now.

now. >> Exactly.

>> Exactly. >> More like $200 million from Spot.

>> More like $200 million from Spot. >> It's a little bit more.

>> It's a little bit more. >> Economist eats the gets the $100.

>> Economist eats the gets the $100. They They keep walking. Then the other

They They keep walking. Then the other econ then come across another pile of

econ then come across another pile of and and the the other economist

and and the the other economist says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the

says, "Now I'll pay you $100 to eat the pile of

pile of >> [laughter]

>> [laughter] >> say pays the pays the other economist

>> say pays the pays the other economist Andreas pile of Then they then

Andreas pile of Then they then then then the way said they said look

then then the way said they said look wait a second um we both just ate a pile

wait a second um we both just ate a pile of and we're no and and and and

of and we're no and and and and we're we're no we we we we

we're we're no we we we we don't have any more extra money like

don't have any more extra money like like [laughter] we both you just gave

like [laughter] we both you just gave the $100 back to me and we both ate a

the $100 back to me and we both ate a pile of This doesn't make any

pile of This doesn't make any sense. And they said, "No, no, but think

sense. And they said, "No, no, but think of the economy because that's $200 of

of the economy because that's $200 of that in the economy." That that

that in the economy." That that basically [laughter]

basically [laughter] measure eating eating would count

measure eating eating would count as a as as a as a job.

as a as as a as a job. [laughter]

>> This is this is this is to illustrate the absity of of of

the absity of of of economics.

economics. >> GDP, you idiot.

>> GDP, you idiot. >> Okay, that's the thing. He didn't know

>> Okay, that's the thing. He didn't know that he's talking about GDP. It's not

that he's talking about GDP. It's not economics. It is the measure of

economics. It is the measure of [laughter] the gross domestic product.

[laughter] the gross domestic product. >> Talk about gross.

>> Talk about gross. >> There is $200 worth of economic activity

>> There is $200 worth of economic activity that takes place in that uh that is

that takes place in that uh that is counted towards the gross domestic

counted towards the gross domestic product. Now, I will say it has been a

product. Now, I will say it has been a longtime critique by the left in this

longtime critique by the left in this country that the gross domestic product

country that the gross domestic product does not take into account externalities

does not take into account externalities and other things. So, for instance, uh

and other things. So, for instance, uh somebody breaks into my house, they

somebody breaks into my house, they steal my my computer. I've got to go buy

steal my my computer. I've got to go buy a new computer. I've got to have the um

a new computer. I've got to have the um uh locksmith come and change my locks.

uh locksmith come and change my locks. I've got to have the contractor come and

I've got to have the contractor come and fix the uh window that they broke,

fix the uh window that they broke, whatever it is. And the GDP goes up. But

whatever it is. And the GDP goes up. But there's no account for how much time did

there's no account for how much time did I lose at work.

I lose at work. How uh you know uh the the cost to me is

How uh you know uh the the cost to me is actually considered a value to uh the

actually considered a value to uh the economy. Or you could look at like what

economy. Or you could look at like what is the cost of uh you okay you the GDP

is the cost of uh you okay you the GDP goes up because you cleared a a forest

goes up because you cleared a a forest and you sold the wood but what's the

and you sold the wood but what's the cost down the road in terms of like

cost down the road in terms of like climate change and how that's going to

climate change and how that's going to undermine this is a longstanding

undermine this is a longstanding critique of GDP. He doesn't realize he's

critique of GDP. He doesn't realize he's talking about GDP.

talking about GDP. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> No idea. Uh whatsoever. It's not about

>> No idea. Uh whatsoever. It's not about their jobs. It's about economic

their jobs. It's about economic activity, extra money, value for uh

activity, extra money, value for uh where uh you know to see where the money

where uh you know to see where the money is going. But it's he's just so in he's

is going. But it's he's just so in he's so intrigued by the idea that

so intrigued by the idea that >> poop is economist poop.

>> poop is economist poop. >> It's eating chat.

>> It's eating chat. >> It's really funny.

>> It's really funny. >> Just to establish that this is a

>> Just to establish that this is a long-standing critique of GDP. This is

long-standing critique of GDP. This is uh from our friends over at current

uh from our friends over at current affairs. An article written not uh this

affairs. An article written not uh this is about Javier Malay written uh in

is about Javier Malay written uh in October of 2025. Uh and I'll just scroll

October of 2025. Uh and I'll just scroll down to this portion here where uh um

down to this portion here where uh um Alex Scopic the writer includes that

Alex Scopic the writer includes that entire thing about these economists.

entire thing about these economists. There's a juvenile poop joke that

There's a juvenile poop joke that illustrates his po well two economists

illustrates his po well two economists walk in a forest when they come across a

walk in a forest when they come across a pile of The first economist but

pile of The first economist but it's just basically what Elon said

it's just basically what Elon said without this. So, I don't know for sure

without this. So, I don't know for sure that Elon uh read this one because it's

that Elon uh read this one because it's also from Hacker News uh 3 years ago

also from Hacker News uh 3 years ago that the same sort of point was made.

that the same sort of point was made. >> This Listen, this has been I'm not I'm

>> This Listen, this has been I'm not I'm not talking this critique is uh of 5

not talking this critique is uh of 5 years old. This critique is 30 years old

years old. This critique is 30 years old minimum.

minimum. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> I mean, they were talking about

>> I mean, they were talking about recalculating the back when it was the

recalculating the back when it was the GMP in the early 90s. I remember this

GMP in the early 90s. I remember this conversation. I mean I that was

conversation. I mean I that was basically when I was old enough to be

basically when I was old enough to be sort of aware of these things when uh

sort of aware of these things when uh the Berlin Wall fell in the wake of the

the Berlin Wall fell in the wake of the Soviet Union. The idea was like we need

Soviet Union. The idea was like we need to start to recalculate the GMPP at that

to start to recalculate the GMPP at that time and now it's GDP. Um this is a

time and now it's GDP. Um this is a long-standing critique and this genius

long-standing critique and this genius who can't deliver a freaking joke. Uh

who can't deliver a freaking joke. Uh he's got his bootlicker laughing across

he's got his bootlicker laughing across from him.

from him. >> Oh man. Wait, can I just see the

>> Oh man. Wait, can I just see the punchline for this actual joke? Can you

punchline for this actual joke? Can you just scroll down to the punch line for

just scroll down to the punch line for it? It's the same. That's not true. We

it? It's the same. That's not true. We But he said, but we increased GDP. Isn't

But he said, but we increased GDP. Isn't that not what

that not what >> No, he said he didn't say it's for the

>> No, he said he didn't say it's for the economy,

economy, >> you know. And he and the joke delivered

>> you know. And he and the joke delivered properly is, you know, I gave you 100

properly is, you know, I gave you 100 bucks to eat then you gave me the

bucks to eat then you gave me the same hundred bucks to eat I can't

same hundred bucks to eat I can't help but feel we both just ate for

help but feel we both just ate for nothing. That's not true, says the

nothing. That's not true, says the second economist. We increased the GDP

second economist. We increased the GDP by 200 bucks.

by 200 bucks. >> That's exact. So [laughter] that makes

>> That's exact. So [laughter] that makes sense.

sense. >> Yes,

>> Yes, >> that makes sense.

>> that makes sense. >> No, it's also funny if you say but but

>> No, it's also funny if you say but but uh there's no extra money. [laughter]

>> Gross domestic. >> There's no extra money.

>> There's no extra money. >> Incidentally, um he's also um his lament

>> Incidentally, um he's also um his lament there is also a good argument for why we

there is also a good argument for why we need uh a fiat currency

need uh a fiat currency because you know apparently there's a

because you know apparently there's a problem with the money just going back

problem with the money just going back and forth here.

and forth here. And that's kind of what's going on with

And that's kind of what's going on with AI uh investment. Um sort of urbos in in

AI uh investment. Um sort of urbos in in one company out at another company and

one company out at another company and sort of circular um uh investment thing

sort of circular um uh investment thing going on right now with AI. It's kind of

going on right now with AI. It's kind of similar maybe inflating our GDP numbers

similar maybe inflating our GDP numbers in a way that's not actually

in a way that's not actually sustainable.

sustainable. >> Right. Eb says the gross national

>> Right. Eb says the gross national product or it's the gross domestic

product or it's the gross domestic product does not allow for the health of

product does not allow for the health of our children, quality of their

our children, quality of their education, joy of their play. It does

education, joy of their play. It does not include the beauty of poetry, the

not include the beauty of poetry, the strength of marriage. Yeah. On and on.

strength of marriage. Yeah. On and on. All the externalities. Yes. I'm saying

All the externalities. Yes. I'm saying it's been a left-wing critique.

it's been a left-wing critique. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Of the GDP,

>> Of the GDP, GNP for decades.

GNP for decades. >> That was RFK in the 70s, right? Or 60.

>> That was RFK in the 70s, right? Or 60. >> Of course.

>> Of course. >> 60s. We're confused.

>> 60s. We're confused. >> Weird. 70s. [laughter]

>> Weird. 70s. [laughter] >> Well, he was still alive then, Kanon

>> Well, he was still alive then, Kanon says. So,

says. So, um,

um, >> there's no extra money. Do you think

>> there's no extra money. Do you think that Rogan even knows like what he's

that Rogan even knows like what he's responding to anymore or if he's just

responding to anymore or if he's just like I mean really really lazy fake

like I mean really really lazy fake laughter there?

laughter there? >> Joe Rogan his favorite music is AI

>> Joe Rogan his favorite music is AI covers of 50 Cent songs. So I don't

covers of 50 Cent songs. So I don't think No, he doesn't know what he's

think No, he doesn't know what he's reacting to.

reacting to. >> He's got a lot of practice of laughing

>> He's got a lot of practice of laughing at execs.

at execs. >> I think that's Yeah,

>> I think that's Yeah, >> there's no extra money.

>> there's no extra money. I

I >> think they sewed that flat top right to

>> think they sewed that flat top right to his brain. It's just Elon.

his brain. It's just Elon. >> I know, right? [laughter]

>> Amazing. What else do we have here? That's funny.

That's funny. >> Oh, six, please. Six is the funny one

>> Oh, six, please. Six is the funny one for my pick for funny.

for my pick for funny. >> Okay. Yeah.

>> Okay. Yeah. And we're No. And and and and we're

And we're No. And and and and we're we're no we we we we

we're no we we we we don't have any more extra money like

don't have any more extra money like like [laughter]

We don't have any extra money. >> That's me talking to my girlfriend after

>> That's me talking to my girlfriend after I get a Larry Bird autograph [laughter]

I get a Larry Bird autograph [laughter] photo.

photo. >> Economics genius over there.

>> Economics genius over there. We don't have any extra money.

We don't have any extra money. [laughter]

[laughter] [gasps]

[gasps] >> Well, you idiot. You could have had

>> Well, you idiot. You could have had extra money if you just refused to eat

extra money if you just refused to eat the to

the to pay me $100 to each if you just like

pay me $100 to each if you just like earned your money and then not spent it.

earned your money and then not spent it. That's the richest man in the world, by

That's the richest man in the world, by the way. Talking about money.

the way. Talking about money. >> I mean, honestly though, if Dave

>> I mean, honestly though, if Dave Chappelle had just let him riff like

Chappelle had just let him riff like that on stage, maybe he wouldn't have

that on stage, maybe he wouldn't have gotten booed. Maybe it would have

gotten booed. Maybe it would have killed.

killed. >> I'm Rick, [laughter]

>> No extra money. >> Uh, Andrew Cuomo.

>> Uh, Andrew Cuomo. You know what was amazing though, I have

You know what was amazing though, I have to say, was to watch the videos over the

to say, was to watch the videos over the weekend of Mam Donnie seemingly

covering the entire city. >> Are there more hours in his day than

>> Are there more hours in his day than mine?

mine? >> Yeah, the Knicks game clubs.

>> Yeah, the Knicks game clubs. >> I need to know what his steps are on his

>> I need to know what his steps are on his phone. Like what how many how many miles

phone. Like what how many how many miles does Zoron walk a day?

does Zoron walk a day? >> He was dancing in retirement home.

>> He was dancing in retirement home. >> 10 plus, right?

>> 10 plus, right? >> 18 19 hours. it seem like a a a day he's

>> 18 19 hours. it seem like a a a day he's out there. Uh

out there. Uh >> that's what happens when you're not like

>> that's what happens when you're not like 70 years old. You could be a campaigner

70 years old. You could be a campaigner and actually have energy

and actually have energy >> when you're 39.

>> when you're 39. >> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter]

>> Yeah. Yeah. [laughter] >> Cuomo makes one step uh after I think

>> Cuomo makes one step uh after I think like uh let me finish my coffee and uh

like uh let me finish my coffee and uh after dinner.

after dinner. >> I mean he goes from the town car to the

>> I mean he goes from the town car to the Marriott to the town car to his

Marriott to the town car to his apartment. Um, again, I don't know

apartment. Um, again, I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. And I

what's going to happen tomorrow. And I say that um 90% in uh truth and 10% just

say that um 90% in uh truth and 10% just to make Emma not uh go into shock. But

to make Emma not uh go into shock. But in the event that Bombdani wins

in the event that Bombdani wins tomorrow, um it's going to be great for

tomorrow, um it's going to be great for uh without a doubt, it's going to be

uh without a doubt, it's going to be great for the Democratic narrative um

great for the Democratic narrative um and and the way that the Democratic

and and the way that the Democratic party is going to be influenced by this

party is going to be influenced by this and has already been influenced by this.

and has already been influenced by this. I think it's going to be great for the

I think it's going to be great for the city both in terms of like policies that

city both in terms of like policies that are implemented and how much joy he

are implemented and how much joy he brings.

brings. >> Yeah. in enjoying the city. Like

>> Yeah. in enjoying the city. Like just even looking at clips of him out at

just even looking at clips of him out at clubs, uh looking him, you know, going

clubs, uh looking him, you know, going to uh street fairs or to going to get

to uh street fairs or to going to get food from like thing or handing out

food from like thing or handing out candy on Halloween. Like he's bringing a

candy on Halloween. Like he's bringing a certain amount of joy in emphasizing the

certain amount of joy in emphasizing the the things that why people choose to

the things that why people choose to live in a city, which is sort of like

live in a city, which is sort of like why it's community and the diversity

why it's community and the diversity that it brings, etc., etc. Um, and then

that it brings, etc., etc. Um, and then hopefully he's able to get these

hopefully he's able to get these policies across. All of those are going

policies across. All of those are going to be huge benefits uh to Amam about a

to be huge benefits uh to Amam about a man election both, you know, whether you

man election both, you know, whether you live in the city or again whether you're

live in the city or again whether you're across the country in another city.

across the country in another city. But I cannot deny that a significant

But I cannot deny that a significant percentage of the joy that I will take

percentage of the joy that I will take from Mandani winning is the end of

from Mandani winning is the end of Andrew Cuomo's political career.

Andrew Cuomo's political career. the fact that we will probably never

the fact that we will probably never have to hear about him again because he

have to hear about him again because he really doesn't even you know he's not

really doesn't even you know he's not gonna get a radio show like I mean

gonna get a radio show like I mean that's basically it

that's basically it >> for the empty assemblyman seat

>> for the empty assemblyman seat >> I he

>> I he >> well he's running the Boca Raton

>> well he's running the Boca Raton >> and the question [laughter] and like I

>> and the question [laughter] and like I just the idea of him going down to Palm

just the idea of him going down to Palm Beach and just going like put on a raft

Beach and just going like put on a raft and just set out to sea I am so excited

and just set out to sea I am so excited about that but here he is uh

about that but here he is uh >> well when you talk about the diversity

>> well when you talk about the diversity of the city and like what Zoron brings

of the city and like what Zoron brings things in terms of emphasizing that and

things in terms of emphasizing that and like doing all those ads in different

like doing all those ads in different languages showing that New York is like

languages showing that New York is like a melting pot in the greatest way.

a melting pot in the greatest way. Listen to this exchange. This is these

Listen to this exchange. This is these are two questions, but they're but

are two questions, but they're but backtoback it's really important that we

backtoback it's really important that we play it through because in this response

play it through because in this response he says something about diversity and

he says something about diversity and then there's a follow-up question about

then there's a follow-up question about it. Um, and I think this is pretty

it. Um, and I think this is pretty informative about the different visions

informative about the different visions between these two candidates. words. Do

between these two candidates. words. Do you condemn Islamophobic comments about

you condemn Islamophobic comments about Zoran Madami unequivocally?

Zoran Madami unequivocally? >> 100%. 100%. I condemn Islamophobic uh

>> 100%. 100%. I condemn Islamophobic uh comments, anti-semitic comments, racist

comments, anti-semitic comments, racist comments, bigoted comments, anti-Italian

comments, bigoted comments, anti-Italian comments. Of course, you [laughter]

comments. Of course, you [laughter] know, New York.

know, New York. >> Pause it for a second.

>> Pause it for a second. >> As New York,

>> As New York, >> what about the anti-Irish comments that

>> what about the anti-Irish comments that we hear all the time deployed

we hear all the time deployed >> and anti-atholic comments? Speak up for

>> and anti-atholic comments? Speak up for me, Cuomo.

me, Cuomo. >> And and I love comments being what he's

>> And and I love comments being what he's saying because he can't talk about say

saying because he can't talk about say advertisements like the insanely racist

advertisements like the insanely racist AI videos that he's put about

AI videos that he's put about >> or like talking about how Zoron Mom

>> or like talking about how Zoron Mom Donnie would celebrate 9/11. Oh, yes,

Donnie would celebrate 9/11. Oh, yes, those are comments. So, he doesn't

those are comments. So, he doesn't condemn his own, just other people's.

condemn his own, just other people's. >> And what about these Polish jokes I

>> And what about these Polish jokes I still hear around? Like, like when are

still hear around? Like, like when are we going to stop? Why won't he include

we going to stop? Why won't he include Irish uh Polish?

Irish uh Polish? Um uh uh former Yugoslavia

Um uh uh former Yugoslavia uh [laughter]

uh [laughter] >> Prussian

>> Prussian >> Prussian uh what about what about um uh

>> Prussian uh what about what about um uh what about comments about Mexicans and

what about comments about Mexicans and uh Central Americans at large? What

uh Central Americans at large? What about Latin America? Italian. What about

about Latin America? Italian. What about all these? You know, people throw around

all these? You know, people throw around the word kook like it's nothing and uh

the word kook like it's nothing and uh we never hear anybody say

we never hear anybody say >> know what that one is.

>> know what that one is. >> Canadians.

>> Canadians. >> No, no, no.

>> No, no, no. >> 100%.

>> 100%. >> 100%. I condemn Islamophobic uh

>> 100%. I condemn Islamophobic uh comments, anti-semitic comments.

comments, anti-semitic comments. >> He can't even say Islamophobic. He says

>> He can't even say Islamophobic. He says Islamic phobic.

Islamic phobic. >> Ron Mamani unequivocally.

>> Ron Mamani unequivocally. >> Yes. And let me equivocate by other

>> Yes. And let me equivocate by other adding other things. Right. Yeah.

adding other things. Right. Yeah. >> I condemn Islamophobic uh comments,

>> I condemn Islamophobic uh comments, anti-semitic comments, racist comments,

anti-semitic comments, racist comments, bigoted comments, anti-Italian comments.

bigoted comments, anti-Italian comments. Of course, [laughter]

Of course, [laughter] you know, New York as New York Governor

you know, New York as New York Governor for 11 years, attorney general. Uh our

for 11 years, attorney general. Uh our diversity is our strength, but uh it can

diversity is our strength, but uh it can also be a weakness. So, you have to work

also be a weakness. So, you have to work very very hard uh to make sure you're

very very hard uh to make sure you're always keeping people united. That's

always keeping people united. That's >> and there's always flare ups among

>> and there's always flare ups among different races, religions, creeds for

different races, religions, creeds for one reason or another. Uh after co we

one reason or another. Uh after co we had hostility towards the Asian

had hostility towards the Asian community. So yes, I've always been

community. So yes, I've always been there to unify people and I condemn and

there to unify people and I condemn and pass the strongest hate crime law in the

pass the strongest hate crime law in the United States of America. By the way,

United States of America. By the way, >> Governor, you I I want to I want to make

>> Governor, you I I want to I want to make sure and give you a chance to to correct

sure and give you a chance to to correct the record if you didn't mean to say,

the record if you didn't mean to say, but it sound like you said diversity can

but it sound like you said diversity can also be a weakness. What did you mean by

also be a weakness. What did you mean by that?

that? >> Sounds like a white supremacist.

>> Sounds like a white supremacist. >> Diversity can be a weakness uh if you

>> Diversity can be a weakness uh if you have antipathy among groups. Jonathan,

have antipathy among groups. Jonathan, uh if you have uh racism, did you guys

uh if you have uh racism, did you guys hear that?

hear that? >> He just confused the two black hosts.

>> He just confused the two black hosts. >> Jonathan, I don't know who the the guy

>> Jonathan, I don't know who the the guy >> Eugene, please play that again. He said

>> Eugene, please play that again. He said diversity can be a weakness and then

diversity can be a weakness and then confuse the two black MSNBC hosts. I

confuse the two black MSNBC hosts. I just want people to hear that very

just want people to hear that very clearly.

clearly. >> Or shock them. Like that's this is a

>> Or shock them. Like that's this is a white supremacist thing. This is a Nazi

white supremacist thing. This is a Nazi thing to say.

thing to say. >> Well, yeah. The I agree.

>> Well, yeah. The I agree. >> Diversity can also be a weakness. What

>> Diversity can also be a weakness. What did you mean by that?

did you mean by that? >> Diversity can be a weakness uh if you

>> Diversity can be a weakness uh if you have antipathy among groups. Jonathan,

have antipathy among groups. Jonathan, uh if you have uh racism or

uh if you have uh racism or anti-semitism, etc.

anti-semitism, etc. >> Uh so uh

>> Uh so uh >> Oh, he called him Jonathan.

>> Oh, he called him Jonathan. That's what I'm trying to say.

That's what I'm trying to say. >> It can make it hard to figure out who

>> It can make it hard to figure out who you're talking to.

you're talking to. >> Go back to the freeze frame of Jonathan

>> Go back to the freeze frame of Jonathan Kart who's looking at him like that with

Kart who's looking at him like that with that face the whole time, but it was

that face the whole time, but it was Eugene who was asking the question. So,

Eugene who was asking the question. So, he confuses the two black hosts while

he confuses the two black hosts while saying diversity can be a weakness. It's

saying diversity can be a weakness. It's poetry.

poetry. >> Yeah, it possible he doesn't. I mean, to

>> Yeah, it possible he doesn't. I mean, to be fair, it's possible he doesn't see

be fair, it's possible he doesn't see them. He doesn't know. I don't really

them. He doesn't know. I don't really care. I mean, that's a cherry on top of

care. I mean, that's a cherry on top of that horrible comment, which is just

that horrible comment, which is just like

like >> this should be disqualified. It

>> this should be disqualified. It >> Zionism is showing its ass right now.

>> Zionism is showing its ass right now. Okay. Zionism is showing its ass. If you

Okay. Zionism is showing its ass. If you believe that there should be an

believe that there should be an ethnostate in the Middle East maintained

ethnostate in the Middle East maintained by force and domination and now

by force and domination and now genocide, you also believe things like

genocide, you also believe things like Andrew Cromo that diversity can be a

Andrew Cromo that diversity can be a weakness. That is why Zionists are

weakness. That is why Zionists are incapable of uh right now beating back

incapable of uh right now beating back fascism where we need to be making an

fascism where we need to be making an aggressive case for multiculturalism. Um

aggressive case for multiculturalism. Um it is why liberals are failing to meet

it is why liberals are failing to meet the moment and have enabled the rise of

the moment and have enabled the rise of fascism. In that clip, it exemplifies

fascism. In that clip, it exemplifies everything about how centrist liberals,

everything about how centrist liberals, corporist liberals are creating the

corporist liberals are creating the environment for fascism, racism, and

environment for fascism, racism, and everything that we're seeing in this

everything that we're seeing in this country right now. ethnic hate because

country right now. ethnic hate because that is not an answer that any Democrat

that is not an answer that any Democrat should be giving that diversity can be a

should be giving that diversity can be a weakness. Are you joking? Like

weakness. Are you joking? Like >> it says where his head's at.

>> it says where his head's at. >> That's where that's what that's what

>> That's where that's what that's what literally is like the fascist uh

literally is like the fascist uh response like

response like >> Yep.

>> Yep. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> in and the idea that you know the to

>> in and the idea that you know the to respond like the idea that there is

respond like the idea that there is there's nuance here is just absolutely

there's nuance here is just absolutely wrong. everything can be a weakness.

wrong. everything can be a weakness. Every strength can be a weakness.

Every strength can be a weakness. >> Uh it's absurd that you need to put that

>> Uh it's absurd that you need to put that butt in there. It's it honestly is like

butt in there. It's it honestly is like he's literally saying, "Well, one of the

he's literally saying, "Well, one of the dangers about uh diversity is it can

dangers about uh diversity is it can create animosity between groups." And

create animosity between groups." And let me just tell you, I'm stoking that

let me just tell you, I'm stoking that animosity right with this answer.

animosity right with this answer. >> Exactly.

>> Exactly. >> Right. With this answer.

>> Right. With this answer. >> Exactly. And you know what doesn't what

>> Exactly. And you know what doesn't what creates animosity between groups are the

creates animosity between groups are the material conditions in that way. Like

material conditions in that way. Like there there is I'm not naive enough to

there there is I'm not naive enough to think that racism goes away if people's

think that racism goes away if people's material conditions are met. But there

material conditions are met. But there is analysis and like studies and and and

is analysis and like studies and and and and uh experience where people see that

and uh experience where people see that when material conditions are better, you

when material conditions are better, you know, like sometimes when material

know, like sometimes when material conditions are poor, it leads to things

conditions are poor, it leads to things like more domestic violence, right?

like more domestic violence, right? because you're in the workplace and you

because you're in the workplace and you don't feel like you have control over

don't feel like you have control over the there and then it it it uh makes

the there and then it it it uh makes itself kind of known at home in these

itself kind of known at home in these violent ways. I mean, these are all

violent ways. I mean, these are all interconnected things. So, I just

interconnected things. So, I just thought that that clip, it's not being

thought that that clip, it's not being framed as something that in in the

framed as something that in in the context of of Zionism, but that's what

context of of Zionism, but that's what it made me think of, which is is that

it made me think of, which is is that like

like >> that's who talks like that is is about

>> that's who talks like that is is about the diversity is a weakness thing in the

the diversity is a weakness thing in the liberal community. It's it's um G here

liberal community. It's it's um G here made a great point that all the all the

made a great point that all the all the sort of people on the right that are

sort of people on the right that are upset uh and voicing you know uh saying

upset uh and voicing you know uh saying Nick Fuentes is a Nazi haven't been

Nick Fuentes is a Nazi haven't been speaking out about Randy Fine uh talking

speaking out about Randy Fine uh talking about how people should be deported and

about how people should be deported and stuff like that. It's a massive blind

stuff like that. It's a massive blind spot and it is it is it is letting hate

spot and it is it is it is letting hate sort of fester

sort of fester >> and and where Zoron Mdani has been so

>> and and where Zoron Mdani has been so important like unfortunately for him

important like unfortunately for him it's he's faced so much Islamophobia and

it's he's faced so much Islamophobia and insane hatred but in terms of furthering

insane hatred but in terms of furthering the conversation about this he's showing

the conversation about this he's showing that Zionism is an extension of white

that Zionism is an extension of white supremacy that when you do believe that

supremacy that when you do believe that there should be nation states that are

there should be nation states that are about that are defined by people's uh

about that are defined by people's uh religion or ethnicity or uh uh what what

religion or ethnicity or uh uh what what have you that that is a fundamentally uh

have you that that is a fundamentally uh exclusionary right-wing project

exclusionary right-wing project regardless of whether or not the

regardless of whether or not the Democratic party in this country

Democratic party in this country supports it. And we're seeing so much

supports it. And we're seeing so much racism being revealed from within the

racism being revealed from within the party's ranks in and of itself that I'm

party's ranks in and of itself that I'm hoping people nationally are making the

hoping people nationally are making the connection to.

connection to. >> All right, let's um

>> All right, let's um let's read some IMs and then we got to

let's read some IMs and then we got to get going. We got a big uh couple of

get going. We got a big uh couple of days ahead of us. We're going to be

days ahead of us. We're going to be doing live coverage tomorrow night.

doing live coverage tomorrow night. It's either going to be in this studio

It's either going to be in this studio or

or in a location that will be um where the

in a location that will be um where the action is like one like like a Mamani

action is like one like like a Mamani um headquarters or uh election party.

um headquarters or uh election party. We're not sure.

We're not sure. >> We're trying to pull it off.

>> We're trying to pull it off. >> We we will see. Uh but either way, we

>> We we will see. Uh but either way, we will be doing um the show tomorrow

will be doing um the show tomorrow night. We'll also be here tomorrow

night. We'll also be here tomorrow afternoon. Uh same same time. Uh may

afternoon. Uh same same time. Uh may have a special guest in studio. We shall

have a special guest in studio. We shall see. Um

see. Um all right, let's read some IMs and then

all right, let's read some IMs and then get going to more from the five. Happy

get going to more from the five. Happy Monday from the depressed nation of

Monday from the depressed nation of Canada. Still crying about Saturday

Canada. Still crying about Saturday night. The Jays made us proud, but it

night. The Jays made us proud, but it still hurts like a strike in the heart.

still hurts like a strike in the heart. >> We will fly high again next season. Go

>> We will fly high again next season. Go Bluebirds.

Bluebirds. >> I was heartbroken for you guys. I That

>> I was heartbroken for you guys. I That was a phenomenal game seven. I'm so so

was a phenomenal game seven. I'm so so so so so sorry. Uh yeah.

so so so sorry. Uh yeah. >> Well, it's still in my mind the Jays are

>> Well, it's still in my mind the Jays are a young team.

a young team. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> They've only been around since 1977.

>> They've only been around since 1977. They will get there, too. [laughter]

They will get there, too. [laughter] >> I mean, they did want to win two World

>> I mean, they did want to win two World Series. What? 91 92.

Series. What? 91 92. >> Did they?

>> Did they? >> 93. Joe Carter game six.

>> 93. Joe Carter game six. >> Oh, wow.

>> Oh, wow. >> Run.

>> Run. >> Lot of rumors by the way. Nothing

>> Lot of rumors by the way. Nothing confirmed yet, but uh Nancy Pelosi

confirmed yet, but uh Nancy Pelosi apparently um looking at maybe retiring.

apparently um looking at maybe retiring. >> Well, that's good because Scikott has

>> Well, that's good because Scikott has gotten ahead of like kind of try did a

gotten ahead of like kind of try did a little bit of a Grand Platiner thing

little bit of a Grand Platiner thing where he started running early on and

where he started running early on and made a name for himself. So, that's I

made a name for himself. So, that's I don't know. That's

don't know. That's >> dark soul. To be fair, Cuomo contains

>> dark soul. To be fair, Cuomo contains multitudes as a New Yorker as we all

multitudes as a New Yorker as we all know. New Jersey mailman, hey, I know

know. New Jersey mailman, hey, I know it's not crazy important. Can we cover

it's not crazy important. Can we cover the right-wing news? Uh

the right-wing news? Uh uh NWSL soccer player attacking trans

uh NWSL soccer player attacking trans athletes, her teammates on Angel

athletes, her teammates on Angel denouncing her and the right-wing

denouncing her and the right-wing backlash facing them. I haven't to be

backlash facing them. I haven't to be honest with you.

honest with you. >> The National Women's Soccer League.

>> The National Women's Soccer League. >> Oh, I haven't seen any of that, but uh

>> Oh, I haven't seen any of that, but uh we'll keep an eye out. Uh anti-Zionist

we'll keep an eye out. Uh anti-Zionist state is Satanist. Uh here is Aura,

state is Satanist. Uh here is Aura, Colorado. But we have a city council

Colorado. But we have a city council election this week uh with the

election this week uh with the Trumploving Jerinsky and GEO group

Trumploving Jerinsky and GEO group Sergeant Kasa vying for at large seats.

Sergeant Kasa vying for at large seats. They both received six-f figureure

They both received six-f figureure donations from dark money groups in the

donations from dark money groups in the past few weeks. Brooklyn Best, hey Mr.

past few weeks. Brooklyn Best, hey Mr. My mom has still not received food

My mom has still not received food stamps this month and she is now

stamps this month and she is now required to pay co-pays for Medicaid

required to pay co-pays for Medicaid when she previously didn't have to.

when she previously didn't have to. There's clearly a war on poor people and

There's clearly a war on poor people and they are losing. Democrats need to jump

they are losing. Democrats need to jump on this without a doubt. I've also heard

on this without a doubt. I've also heard reports of folks not getting their

reports of folks not getting their social security. I don't know if that's

social security. I don't know if that's true. I know some people have, but um

true. I know some people have, but um let us know if that's the case. 98

let us know if that's the case. 98 percentile phone bank for Zoron

percentile phone bank for Zoron yesterday spoke with a definite Cuomo

yesterday spoke with a definite Cuomo voter who said he thought Zoron talked

voter who said he thought Zoron talked too much about Israel. He said this race

too much about Israel. He said this race was about NYC, not Israel. Some people

was about NYC, not Israel. Some people live in an opposite world. Yes. Well, I

live in an opposite world. Yes. Well, I mean that is part of the strategy.

mean that is part of the strategy. >> I mean it is uh part of the strategy.

>> I mean it is uh part of the strategy. You put people on the defensive and they

You put people on the defensive and they have to talk about this stuff and that's

have to talk about this stuff and that's it. Uh Pelosi is supposedly uh retiring.

it. Uh Pelosi is supposedly uh retiring. Is there a chance to rebel against Jeff?

Is there a chance to rebel against Jeff? I don't know how much of Pelosi is

I don't know how much of Pelosi is disciplining people in terms of Jeff

disciplining people in terms of Jeff anymore. Uh but

anymore. Uh but I imagine maybe a little bit in terms of

I imagine maybe a little bit in terms of like providing fundraising. Hogtown.

like providing fundraising. Hogtown. Wait, if Emma Emma didn't mean diaper in

Wait, if Emma Emma didn't mean diaper in the first instance, where would the she

the first instance, where would the she otherwise be leaking from? You know

otherwise be leaking from? You know what? Never mind. I don't want to know.

what? Never mind. I don't want to know. >> I was gonna say catheter, but I thought

>> I was gonna say catheter, but I thought that was a little gross. Even more

that was a little gross. Even more gross.

gross. >> All right.

>> All right. >> Colostomy.

>> Colostomy. >> How many poop jokes does Sam have to

>> How many poop jokes does Sam have to make before I can get one out there?

make before I can get one out there? >> Hey, I'm not judging.

>> Hey, I'm not judging. >> Hey,

>> Hey, >> you're talking about Saul. I didn't make

>> you're talking about Saul. I didn't make the jokes.

the jokes. >> What?

>> What? >> Have some decor. What are you talking

>> Have some decor. What are you talking about? I'm I'm five years of being on

about? I'm I'm five years of being on the show.

the show. >> You're fixated.

>> You're fixated. >> I don't know. It's true. [laughter]

>> I don't know. It's true. [laughter] Spent a lot of time going on.

Spent a lot of time going on. >> Two two economists are walking through

>> Two two economists are walking through the woods. [laughter]

I said it. So funny. >> There you go.

>> There you go. They go in.

They go in. >> It's the cook sound.

>> It's the cook sound. >> It's they don't have any

>> It's they don't have any they have the same amount of money.

they have the same amount of money. [laughter]

[laughter] >> The majority report is so informative,

>> The majority report is so informative, says Charlie Flops. Today I learned that

says Charlie Flops. Today I learned that the gross and gross domestic product

the gross and gross domestic product means people eating literal

means people eating literal >> And the final IM

>> And the final IM and we're no and and and we're we're no

and we're no and and and we're we're no we we we don't have any more extra money

we we we don't have any more extra money like [laughter]

Unbelievable how long that is. >> Uh

uh the final I am of the day. My granular

granular Veronia

Veronia [laughter]

such a mashup. That's a lot of >> the best thing about this show is the

>> the best thing about this show is the it's like or like yeah or is a word of

it's like or like yeah or is a word of inside jokes. Buddhajedge is more co

inside jokes. Buddhajedge is more co coherent than this.

coherent than this. >> Tune in tomorrow. We got a Buddha clip.

>> Tune in tomorrow. We got a Buddha clip. >> Um, he actually does a pretty good job

>> Um, he actually does a pretty good job in that clip.

in that clip. >> Brian, Matt, Emma, great job today,

>> Brian, Matt, Emma, great job today, folks. See you tomorrow.

folks. See you tomorrow. >> It might take all the strength [music] I

>> It might take all the strength [music] I got

got to get to where I want, but I know

to get to where I want, but I know I'm going to get there. [music]

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