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This content is a transcript of a New York City mayoral debate, featuring candidates discussing their platforms, policy proposals, and engaging in sharp exchanges on issues ranging from public safety and affordability to social policies and their relationships with former President Trump.
I'm here. I'm not late.
Where's the live stream? Where is it? I
You actually got my ass. Thanks, man.
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The likes and subscriptions are flowing in.
in.
First majority poll for Zeron and it's
from Fox.
Mamani maintains
>> significant lead in NYC mayoral race.
among registered voters a 21
that is nice.
Don't forget the bingo.
How about first
we get the debate live stream?
Where is it?
So Cuomo has a chance. Yeah, he's
basically guaranteed to live uh to to
I'm looking. I'm looking. I'm looking.
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Are they? Okay. Let's just go to NBC
News then because they would have it on
the main page and they do. Okay.
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racism landmines unintentionally. It
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nothing but respect for uh hip-hop. I
don't know. Is that It's a hip-hop beat.
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hip-hop and rap is.
>> Your state assembly member Zora Mdani.
>> I know that guy.
>> Republican candidate and guardian angels
founder Curtis Leewa.
Sponsored by News for New York, Telmundo
47, Politico, the New York City campaign
finance board, and NYC Votes. >> Yay.
>> Yay.
>> Here now, news for New York anchor,
David Usherie.
Good evening everyone and welcome to
this New York City mayoral debate. We
made him take three weeks from election
day. Which one of these men will be
declared the 111th mayor of New York
City? I'm joined by my colleague News4
government affairs reporter Melissa
Rosuck delics editor at Politico Sally
Goldenberg and Telmundo47 anchor
Rosarena Raton.
>> This is not a fair debate
>> live on all NBC New York and Telmundo47
streaming and digital platforms politico.comos
politico.comos
and YouTube. The first hour is also live
on channel 4 and window47. We do have a
few rules candidates for traditional
question and answer. You will have 1
minute to respond and we'll offer 30
second rebuttals at the moderator.
>> Oh my god, the crackling asking
questions where we will be looking for
shorter answers. We also reserve the right
right
to cut off your microphone if you ignore
the rules. But candidates, you know, we
don't want to do that. The goal is for
you to hear is better and for New
Yorkers to hear everything you have to
say. Good luck. We'll begin with Melissa Russo.
Russo.
>> Thank you, David, and good evening,
gentlemen. Thank you for being here. We
begin tonight by asking you to do what
every mayor dreams of, and that is to
write your own headlines. Imagine it's
January 2027 and you have been in office
for exactly one year. We would like you
to quickly give us one headline about
what you think your biggest
accomplishment will have been in your
number one. We'll begin with you, Mr. Cuomo.
Cuomo.
>> Uh first, thank you very much for
sponsoring the debate and having all of
us. Uh, the one headline, how how many
characters in the headline?
>> [ __ ] deaf people.
>> You're familiar with headline length.
>> Rent down, comma, crime down, comma,
education scores up, uh, comma, more
jobs in New York City.
>> We're getting maybe a little over the
average headline length, but
>> optimism high.
>> Thank you, Mr. SWA. Uh Curtis Fua is
without his iconic red beret
>> because I'm talking to the people of New
York City about the really serious
issues of affordability, the cost of
living for what I spent most of my life
doing, which is public safety in the
streets and the subways.
>> We would love a headline from you. What
will your headline be? Your big headline
and your number one as mayor. Curtis
Leeway exceeds all expectations
and looks very mayoral tonight.
>> Mr. Mandani, you've had some time to
think about it. Now,
>> that's also not the format.
>> It's a pleasure to be here, first of
all, and I really want to thank the
moderators and the opportunity to speak
directly to New Yorkers about this
moment in time and our opportunity to
transform the most expensive city in the
United States of America. The headline
would read, "In about a year, Mandani
continues to take on Trump delivers on
affordability agenda for New Yorkers."
>> Thank you, Mr. Mandani. Sally,
>> thank you, Melissa. We're going to talk
about leadership. Voters have
reservations about all three of you as
chief executive of New York City, a city
with roughly 300,000 employees and a
budget bigger than many countries. We
have questions for each of you and Mr.
Cuomo, we will begin with you. As a
former governor of New York, you
obviously have the management experience,
experience,
>> but you resigned from office amid sexual
harassment and COVID related scandals.
>> Really? Why should voters now trust that
you have
>> I'm just hearing this now and I'm
shocked that one minute.
>> Good. Well, thank you very much and
thank you for the question. Uh first, uh
you are right. I left office report that
was done that had allegations of
harassment. I said at the time it was a
political report and uh that there was
no basis to it.
>> Um it was then sent to five district
attorneys. They all reviewed it. They
found nothing. It was then litigated for
5 years. I didn't do dropped from the
cases. So none of that came also. I'm Italian.
Italian.
>> When it comes to executive experience,
I've run the Department of Housing and
Urban Development, built housing all
across the nation. I was governor for 11
years. The budget is double what it is
in New York City. And I got government
to work. I passed groundbreaking laws,
minimum wage, paid family leave, built
projects that had never been built
before. This is no job for on the-job
training. And if you look at the failed
mayors, they're ones that had no
management experience. Don't do it again.
again.
>> Thank you, Rina.
>> Thank you, Sally. Also, in the theme of
leadership, Mr. Mandani, you work as a
foreclosure prevention counselor for
winning seat in the state assembly. You
have no substantial management
experience. How are you ready to lead
the nation's largest and greatest city
in the world in one day? You have a minute.
minute.
>> You know, I have the experience of
having served in the New York State
Assembly for 5 years and watching a
broken political system. The experience
of seeing a governor in Andrew Cuomo who
would rather have served his billionaire
donors and the working-class New Yorkers
who voted for him. and the experience
amidst all of that, of fighting and
winning for working-class taxi drivers
to free them from predatory debt and
delivering the first free bus lines in
New York City history and in working
with unions and working-class New
Yorkers to finally raise taxes just that
little bit on Mr. Cuomo's donors to
start to fully fund our public school.
And more than that, I have the
experience of being a New Yorker,
someone who has actually paid rent in
the city before I ran for mayor. someone
who has had to wait for a bus that never
came, someone who actually buys his
groceries in this same city. And what
all of that experience has shown me,
which Mr. Cuomo can't seem to
understand, is that it is far too
expensive and far too hard for New
Yorkers to afford to live in this city.
And the definition of experience is not
doing the same thing again and again and
hoping for a different result. That's
actually the definition of insanity.
Thank you, Mr. Right. If I can, I think
I was invoked. Yes.
>> Uh, in other words, uh, what the
assemblyman said is he has no
experience. And this is not a job for
someone who has no management experience
to run 300,000 people, no financial
experience to run $115 billion budget.
He literally has never had a job. On his
resume, it says he interned for his
mother. Uh, this is not a job for a
first timer. Any day you could have a
hurricane, you have, god forbid, a 911,
a health pandemic. If you don't know
what you're doing, people have to Mr. M
want to respond.
>> And and if we have a health pandemic,
then why would New Yorkers turn back to
the governor who sent seniors to their
death in nursing homes? That's the kind
of experience that's on offer here
today. What I don't have in experience,
I make up for in integrity. And what you
don't have in integrity, you could never
make up for in experience.
>> Yeah. Uh first, what you said was
totally false as you know. Uh which part
was false? During COVID, everyone did
whatever they could in this state and
there have been numerous investigations
>> including sending thousands of seniors
to their death
>> and they said we followed federal
guidance but yes people died during CO
and my heart breaks for everyone that
broke in uh that died in this state and
across this nation.
>> But just to be clear, Mr. Just to fact
check that, there is a criminal
investigation reportedly underway at the
DOJ about your testimony to Congress
about your nursing home record.
>> Yeah, but that was that is a political
issue with the Congress. They made a
referral uh which has gone absolutely
nowhere. But there have been multiple
investigations where the DOJ found that
the nursing home investigation was
politically motivated.
>> Okay, we're going to move on. We we
might have time to come back to it. I do
need to move on to Mr. May I just finish my
my
>> talking about all of my sexual and legal improprieties.
improprieties.
>> The assemblyman still says he has no
experience to do the job.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Cuomo. Mr. Sua, as
founder of the Guardian Angels and as a
radio host, you've been a well-known
figure in New York City for decades, but
you also lack substantial management
experience. So, how are you prepared to
be the chief executive officer of New
York City? You have one minute, Mr.
Siwa. First of all, I created the
Guardian Angels to provide public safety
in the subways and streets when
government was incapable of doing so. I
didn't do it to get a title or a paycheck.
paycheck.
>> Do you think he applied Tanner to the
top of his head to balance myself to be
all knowing? I will hire the very
brightest and best in their fields who
have dedicated their lives to trying to
improve the city of New York or the
state or the federal government or the
private sector. But what I will say is,
thank God I'm not a professional
politician. We have the architect and we
have the apprentice of No Cash Bail,
which has been a disaster. We have the
architect and the apprentice here of
Raise the Age. My own son was almost
killed because of that in a gang attack.
We have the architect and we have the
apprentice of Closed Riker's Island,
which would just release criminals in
the street. Thank God I'm not a
professional politician because they
have helped create this crime crisis in
this city that we face and I will
>> thank you Mr. SWA
>> thank you Mr. SWA candidates President
Trump has expressed intense interest in
this election and in all of you
personally Mr. Mumani the president
called you quote my little communist Mr.
Sbo he said you're quote not exactly
prime time Mr. Mr. Cuomo, he has been
critical of you, but said you have
always gotten along. The president has
threatened to cut federal funds to the
city, and just yesterday, he killed the
gateway project, the tunnel connecting
New York to New Jersey. You've all
promised to resist him in some way. What
would you say in your first official
call with the president to set the tone
for your relationship moving forward?
We'll give you a minute for this. We'll
start with you, Mr. Mandatani.
I would make it clear to the president
that I am willing to not only speak to
him to but to work with him if it means
delivering on lowering the cost of
living for New Yorkers. That's something
that he ran his presidential campaign
on. And yet all he's been able to
deliver thus far has been prosecuting
his political enemies and trying to
enact the largest deportation program in
American history. And what distinguishes
me from Andrew Cuomo is the fact that he
has gotten on the phone with that same
president. Not asking him how to work
together to help New Yorkers are not
telling him that he would refuse to back
down to protect those New Yorkers, but
instead asking him how to win this race.
That's something I can do myself, I
don't need the president's assistance
for. And what I'd tell the president is
if he ever wants to come for New Yorkers
in the way that he has been, he's going
to have to get through me as the next
mayor of this city.
>> All right, Mr. Cromwell, we we'll give
you a little extra time, but I'd like
you to answer this question as well.
what your first conversation with the
president would be like.
>> Okay. Uh first I never had a
conversation with the president that the
assemblyman was talking about. Um but he
did has a distant relationship with the truth.
truth.
>> Uh I would say to the president in the
first conversation look we have had many
many battles. I fought with we fought
together every day during co and the
battles were bloody uh and I'd like to
avoid them.
>> Thousands of seniors. If you come after
New York, you know what I'm going to do.
You know it's going to be ugly. Uh and
you know my chances are almost 50/50
even though you're the president. I'd
like to work with you. I think we can do
good things together, but number one, I
will fight you every step of the way if
you try to hurt New York.
>> Unless he weaponizes the justice system
to go after the attorney general of this
state, in which case you'll issue a
statement that doesn't even name the
president. And no matter what you think
about Donald Trump, you know that not
even being able to name him is an act of
cowardice. And that's what we would see
from Donald Trump's puppet on the right.
>> I I do want to get MLE, but Mr. Cuomo,
I'll give you a few seconds to respond
to that.
>> Yeah. Uh I did me I said political
weaponization of the justice system is
wrong. Both sides do it. It's wrong when
Donald Trump does it. It's wrong when
they did it to Comey. It's wrong when
Comey did it to Hillary. It was wrong
when it happened to James.
>> Thank you, Mr. Cro. I want to give Mr.
Slee a chance to answer this. Mr. ly
were your first official conversation
with the president. What would you say
to set the tone?
>> Well, first of all, there's high levels
of testosterone in this room. I've had a
lovehate relationship with Donald Trump
that goes back over 30 years.
>> But I know one thing. Uh we have Andrew
Cuomo, we have Zan Mandami, they want to
take on Donald Trump. Look, you can be
tough, but you can't be tough if it's
going to cost people desperately needed
federal funds. Zoran Mandami, the
president has already said it's going to
take7 billion dollars out of the budget
right from the start if you're elected
mayor. People are going to suffer in
this city. People who need those federal
funds. What I would do is sit and
negotiate. I would say, "Look, Mr.
President, we need that gateway tunnel.
It moves millions of people from
Washington DC to Boston, but take away
the Q train project. We don't need those
three stations going from 96th Street to
125th. It's not a necessity. Sit with
the president and whoever he delegates
and try to negotiate. But if you try to
get tough with Trump, the only people
who going to suffer from that are the
people of New York. Okay, Mr.
>> I appreciate him being open about the
pragmatism of capitulation suspending
infrastructure grants to this city and
he's doing it in a blatant act of
political retribution and what it
requires is leadership that will stand
up to him and I disagree with Mr. Lewa.
do need to extend the Second Avenue
subway to 125th Street. It was a promise
made to Harlemmites decades ago. It's
time to actually fulfill it.
>> Thank you, Mr.
>> D. Quick question for quick
question for each of you. Um, Mr. Cuomo,
you've been asked
>> He mentioned my name. Don't I get a
chance to respond?
>> We got a lot of ground to cover.
>> When was the last time you spoke with
President Trump? Mr. Cuomo, you've been
asked this before. And the last time you said,
said,
>> uh, I believe
assassination attempt. So last year in
2024, Mr. SWA, when was the last time
you spoke with President Trump?
>> Oh, many years ago, we were receiving
awards. I was praising him for saving uh
the annual Veterans Day parade. Uh those
were the conversations that I had with
him. Good. Please respond. I was asked
about the Q train.
>> Okay, real quick.
>> I am the mayor of mass transit. We do
not need a Q train. I'm in the subways
every day. We have more than a capable
system of transporting people. The
infrastructure needs to be fixed in the
system that we have.
>> Mr. Mani, have you ever spoken with with
President Trump? >> No.
>> No.
>> Okay, there you go, Sally.
>> Thank you, Mr. Cuomo. A followup to
that. President Trump has spoken
positively about you and your candidacy,
even as his justice department, as we've
noted, is reportedly investigating you
for allegations you lied to Congress
over your co record.
>> Thanks for repeating. In that dynamic,
how would you be able to stand up to
this White House? How are you not
compromised? And just take into account
that New Yorkers are troubled by what
they view as a compromised relationship
the current outgoing mayor has with the president.
president.
>> Yeah. First, you're wrong when you say
there's any investigation uh of me. Uh
that's not true.
>> Do you have there is no investigation?
Heard absolutely nothing. Congress did a
press release. They said they sent a
letter to Department of Justice uh which
they do routinely to generate press. Uh,
and that's what that is. Um, I have been
I fought Donald Trump. He investigated
me repeatedly with the Department of
Justice. The the Department of Justice
in Inspector General said that it was
actually politically motivated. That
does not back me up. When I'm fighting
for New York, I am not going to stop.
And I'll tell you something else. If the
assemblyman is elected mayor, Donald
Trump will take over New York City and
it will be Mayor Trump who runs New York City.
City.
>> We have to move on. Just a very quick
followup. Yes or no? You You're saying
unequivocally the Justice Department is
not investigating you. Correct.
>> I have one I've heard absolutely nothing.
nothing.
>> They could be and you might not have
heard it, but Okay, we'll move on. David.
David. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Huge li Sorry, really quick. huge
liability to Cuomo here that um he
simultaneously has to balance like uh
I'm the reasonable one. I'm the one who
can negotiate. I'm the one who can play
hard ball. I'm the one who can fight
Trump. But also he spent the past year
openly cozying up to Trump and now he's
on a debate stage where being associated
with Trump is a liability. Just not good
for him at all.
>> Virtually possible by the way. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> So Mr. You did put out an ad the day
after the news first broke in the New
York Times that you were under
investigation, calling it a political
investigation, saying they were coming
after you as they had to, you know,
after other Democratic politicians. You
haven't denied this previous
>> the Republican Congress was. Yes, I
believe they played politics with the
justice system.
>> I believe the Republican Congress does
it. I believe Donald Trump does it. I
believe the Democrats do it. And that's
why I think people are sick and tired of
the justice system and the politics. If
you think that there's no difference
between the Democratic party and the
Republican party, then that's the
candidate for you. If you think it's
time to have a Democratic party that
actually stands up to Donald Trump and
his billionaire backing people,
you're not a Democrat. We have
>> You're not a Democrat. You're a
literally running as an independent bro
for Kla Harris, right?
>> We have to cover. No, no, we have to
cover. That's an incendiary charge. I
want to be very
>> You may have a chance to address it, but
we do have a lot of issues to get to
with New Yorkers.
>> I'll be very quick. Let me You didn't
say leave it blank in the Camel.
>> I'll be very quick. I said leave it
blank in the presidential primary
because primaries are place to air
disscent. And like many Americans, I was horrified
horrified
genocide of Palestinians. And if you
want to look for me on the ballot,
you'll find me as the Democrat.
>> Mr. Matti, thank you. General, we have
to move on. This week, the world is
reacting to President Trump's Israel
Hamas peace deal and the release of the
hostages. and many are cautiously
optimistic about a lasting peace. Of
course, the mayor has no direct role in
foreign affairs and we certainly have a
lot of questions for you about city
matters, but this war has been a major
topic in the campaign and there are
criticisms about your positions in the
past and how you envision leading on
these issues as mayor. So, we have
questions for all of you, but first for
Mr. Mdani because of something you said
uh that's been generating headlines in
the news today as we come into the
debate yesterday on Fox News. You were
asked if Hamas should lay down its
weapons key to the peace plan and ceasefire.
ceasefire.
And some say they found your answer
confusing. You said quote, "I don't
really have opinions about the future of
Hamas and Israel beyond the question of
justice and safety and the fact that
anything has to abide by international
law." And that applies to Hamas and that
applies to the Israeli military. So for
the voters tuning in tonight, Mr.
Mumdani, what do you believe about Hamas
and how lasting peace will be achieved?
We know it's a complicated matter, but
we'd like you to keep your answer to a
minute if you could.
>> Of course, I believe that they should
lay down their arms. I'm proud to be one
of the first elected officials in the
state who called for a ceasefire. And
calling for a ceasefire means seizing
fire. That means all parties have to
cease fire and put down their weapons.
And the reason that we call for that is
not only for the end of the genocide,
but also an unimpeded access of
humanitarian aid. I, like many New
Yorkers, am hopeful that this ceasefire
will hold. I'm hopeful that it is
durable. I'm hopeful that it is just.
And for it to be just, we also have to
ensure that it addresses the conditions
that preceded this conditions like
occupation, like the siege and
apartheid. And that is what I'm hopeful for.
for.
>> Yeah. If I may,
>> that means from the river to the sea.
>> I'm being marginal this
excuse me to debate the three. Do we
acknowledge that
>> not killing Palestinians means from the
river to the No, please go right ahead
man. Lose that youth vote more.
>> Mr. Go ahead and we'll give you a sec.
Go ahead.
The president of the United States
should have been applauded by you Zorhan
Mandami and you Andrew Cuomo on the day
that he brought together that
international coalition that met in
Egypt that came from the Middle East and
the Persian Gulf. I certainly applauded
him for bringing peace to Gaza and
trying to end the hostilities in the war
between the Israelis and Hamas so there
can be peace between the Israelis and
peace between the Palestinians. when you
seem Zoran to be incapable of praising
our president and answer you were
incapable of praising gentlemen we have
>> give credit where credit is due he's
brought peace to gossip
>> gentlemen we want to hear everything you
have to say we have other questions on
the matter Mr. Cuomo, please brief
response because we do have other
questions on this issue that you may be
able to address. Go ahead.
>> I did applaud President Trump and his
administration. I think it was a great
accomplishment. I hope the peace holds.
>> The assemblyman will not denounce Hamas.
The assemblyman will not denounce Hassan
[ __ ] who said America deserved 911. The
assemblyman just said in his response,
"Well, it depends on uh occupation. That
is code meaning that the Israel does not
have a right to exist as a Jewish electrocuted
from the river to the sea. That's why he
won't denounce globalize the inif which
means kill all Jews.
>> Let's give Mr. Mani a chance to respond
to that.
>> I want to be very clear.
>> This is this is a death spiral 100%.
This is a [ __ ] death spiral. Okay,
Slaywa is boosting Mani by pointing out
Mdani is the real one who opposes Trump
and Cuomo. This is just a reiteration of
the rhetoric that's been losing him
every [ __ ] time. Hassan, are you
[ __ ] kidding me? Insane
>> occupation. Enjoy your time in the
history book.
>> International law and the violation of
it, which Mr. Cuomo has no regard for
since he signed up to be Benjamin
Netanyahu's legal defense team during
the course of this genocide. And I find
the comments that Hassan made on 9/11 to
be objectionable and reprehensible. And
I also think that part of the
>> It's over. It's over.
>> Reason why Democrats are in the
situation that we are in of being a
permanent minority in this country is we
are looking only to speak to journalists
and streamers and Americans with whom we
agree of every single thing that they
say. We need to take the case to every
person and I'm happy to do that which is
why I was on Fox News yesterday talking
about how I wish it was more like NASCAR
so we could see all the billionaires who
are sponsoring you right on your suit jacket.
jacket.
>> Melissa has another question.
>> We're gonna turn it to Sally actually.
>> Yeah. Actually, this kind of flows and
then we'll go back to Melissa. Mr. Mr.
Mdani, you told NBC's Meet the Press
that you don't believe the role of the
mayor to police speech. Your words about
this war have comforted many New
Yorkers, but they've troubled others.
And I want to ask about some of this.
There is your recent refusal, as we just
discussed, to condemn the slogan,
globalize the antifat, which many view
as a call to arms. In 2017, you wrapped
lyrics praising the Holy Land five.
These are men who were convicted of
supporting terrorism.
How would you assure New Yorkers,
especially Jewish residents who might be
concerned about this, that you would be
a mayor for all? You have one minute to
answer this.
>> Thank you for this opportunity.
When I
am speaking about the responsibility of
leading this city, I mean leading not
just those who voted for me, leading
leading not just those who vote, but
leading every single person who calls
this city home. And that includes Jewish
New Yorkers. And I have been so thankful
for the opportunity I've had to sit with
so many Jewish New Yorkers over the
course of the primary and through the
general. And it's in those conversations
that I learned that this phrase evokes
many painful memories. Memories of bus
attacks in Hifa, restaurant attacks in
Jerusalem. And I heard from a rabbi
about their roommate who was killed on
one of those buses.
>> You are now the most prominent leftist
streamer not directly condemned by Zeron
Mamani. How do you feel? I don't know.
It feels pretty good. I can only assume
that his choice to condemn Hassan here
and not myself is a ringing endorsement.
Um yeah, what what can I say? Folks,
like and subscribe. You know, I'll be
taking my uh my awards in the mail.
Thank you.
>> Hearing that and the distance between
that impact and the rationale that some
use of saying it, of speaking about the
Israeli occupation of Palestinian land
is why I said that I would discourage
this language, language that I do not
use. And what I'm looking to do as the
first Muslim mayor of this city is to
ensure that we bring every New Yorker
together, Jewish New Yorkers, Muslim New
Yorkers, every single person that calls
this city home, that they understand
they won't just be protected, but they
will belong.
>> Mr. Sle, we will get to you first. I'm
going to ask a question of Mr. Cuomo.
While you are a strong supporter of
Israel, you have also been slow to
develop a relationship with the city's
Muslim community. You have called Mr.
Mandani a terrorist sympathizer. How do
you assure those New Yorkers?
>> Really honestly really appreciate the
fact this is being fielded as a question,
question,
>> especially Muslims and Arabic New
Yorkers that you will be a mayor for
all. You'll have one minute.
>> Yeah. Well, first I think the
assemblyman uh created the perception
himself. Why wouldn't he condemn Hamas?
Why wouldn't he condemn Hassan [ __ ]
Why did it take us here tonight for the
first time for him to say it? He still
won't denounce globalize the inif which
means kill all Jews just say I denounce
it he won't do it that's the issue and
his divisiveness you address the
question that we're to you I think
you've made the point but can can you
please answer about your own
relationship with the Muslim community
you did not visit mosques for many years
more recently you have been
>> yeah I don't think I'm I don't I don't
think in any way the assemblyman is
representative of
>> oh my god
>> the Muslim community which is is a vital
community in New York City. Uh and uh I
am very fond of and I've been working with
with
>> uh I think he's playing his own
politics. Uh many of his positions
you're being asked a question by the
moderator uh the Muslim faith. So I see
them as two totally separate things.
>> Mr. Mani want to respond?
>> You know it took Andrew Cuomo being
beaten by a Muslim candidate in the
Democratic primary for him to set foot
in a mosque. He had more than 10 years
and he couldn't name a single mosque at
the last debate we had that he visited.
And what Muslims want in this city is
what every community wants and deserves.
They want equality and they want
respect. And it took me to get you to
even see those Muslims as part of this
city. And that frankly is something that
is shameful and is why so many New
Yorkers have lost faith in this politics.
politics.
>> Yeah. Except that I worked with the
Muslim community for many many years.
>> Name a single mosque you went to when
you were the governor.
Can you name a single mosque you went to
in 10 years?
>> Before you were ever here, they were here.
here.
>> Before I was here,
>> before you were even in state
government, I worked with Muslim
community, imams, presided over state of
the states. Uh we worked in religious
working groups,
anti-semitic groups, etc.
>> All right, gentlemen. Uh Mr. Rosar has a
specific question for you, but I'll give you
you
this is what disturbs me about you. Uh
you will be celebrating your birthday
this weekend in 19 91 I was in the
streets of Crown Heights with the
Guardian Angels for 30 days and 30
nights when the first Democratic
Socialist mayor of New York City, that's
right, David Dinkens was a proud member
of the Democratic Socialist of America,
abandoned the Jews for three days. They
were left to their own means and we
protected them for 30 days and 30
nights. favorite mayor
in 2019 abandoned the Jews again when
they were being attacked in Williamsburg
in Burough Park and Crown Heights and I
had to bring the guardian angels in for
30 days. Jews don't trust that you are
going to be there for them when they are
victims of anti-semitic attacks.
>> Okay, brief response. Mr. Mdani, we have
a specific question for you from Rosina,
but Mr. Mdani, please.
>> I agree. By the way,
>> one of the most meaningful experiences
I've had over the course of this
campaign has been the conversations I've
had with Jewish New Yorkers. Jewish New
Yorkers who've told me about the door
that they've had to lock that they had
kept open for 40 years. Jewish New
Yorkers who've told me on the M57 about
an apartment this speech therapist was
trying to sell when a realtor told her,
"Put the Jewish books off the table."
Jewish New Yorkers who've told me about
their fear in living in this city. And I
will be a mayor who finally addresses
that not through the theatrics of the
politics on this stage but through
action. I'll do that by ensuring that we
have police officers outside of the
high. Gentlemen, we have a lot to get to
and we do have a specific question for
Mr. Leo. Rosarina.
>> Thank you, David. Um, Mr. S, why you've
called for tougher policing of pro
Palestinian protest and you've suggested
that Mr. Mdani uses languages that is
anti-semitic. How do you assure New
Yorkers that you'll be the mayor for all?
all?
>> Well, I've been there for all people in
all times for 46 years as leader of the
guardian angels here and around the
world. Whether it is a religious uh
violation of people's rights to worship
as they choose in a mosque, in a church,
in a synagogue or a shul, whether it's
because of racial identity. Remember in
the summer of 2020, Asians were under
constant attack because of the lockdown
and pandemic. I don't remember Governor
Cuomo coming to their aid. You were the
governor then. I was out there going
into all the neighborhoods, Flushing,
Bayside. We were in uh uh down in
Benenhurst. We were in uh Chinatown
itself where Asians were being attacked
indiscriminately because they were
thought to be carrying CO. We protected
them then. Governor, you were not there
for them. Delasio was not there for
them. We understand hate and in order to
counteract hate, you have to get the
community involved along with the police
to protect people when they're under
siege. Jews are under attack now more
than ever before.
>> And I don't believe either of you have
the capability of protecting them with
increased anti-semitism.
>> That is pure fiction. I passed the no
hate in our state, the strongest hate
crime law in the United States of
America. We tolerate no hatred, no
discrimination. We are from every place
on this globe and that's excuse me and
we're tolerant and we accept. Uh if you
notice the assemblyman still won't say
he believes that Israel has a Jewish
state. He is a divisive personality all
across the board. NYPD a racist. Barack
Obama is evil liar. And he gave the
finger to the Christopher Columbus. By
the way, you're going to defend
Christopher Columbus. This is your pitch
to win over Democrat voters and pull
them instead of him. What the [ __ ] are
you doing? You're like, you're getting
confused. You're mixing up. Like, okay,
Quomo almost exclusively communicates
with center-right New York City
billionaire types who back Trump as
well. I he's g he's getting the rhetoric
mixed up. There's rhetoric that you
would use to pull conservativeleaning
Democrats away from Amdani and then
there's rhetoric you would use as a
Republican in a general against him.
Republicans are going to vote for Slew,
not Cuomo. They don't like Cuomo. Why
are you doing this? Your laws with no
cash bail turn the haters right back in
the street to violate and attack again
and again and again. You're the reason
for that. No cash
>> bail. You don't cap.
>> Thank you. Go ahead. Oh, sorry.
>> There have been a number of absolutely
unfounded lies that have been said by
Andrew K. I would just like a moment to
address them directly. I've said time
and again that I recognize Israel's
right to exist. I've said that I will
not recognize any state. I said that I
will not a Jewish state
>> if I would be allowed to finish that I
would not recognize any state's right to
exist with a system of hierarchy on the
basis of race of religion. I have made
that very clear. And part of that is
because I'm an American who believes in
the importance of equal rights being
enshrined in every single country.
Whether we're speaking about Israel,
whether we're speaking about Saudi
Arabia, you can stand here and you can
lie all you want, but New Yorkers,
>> we have the question. We support to
address some issues here.
>> All right. And we have another
polarizing issue that we would love to
discuss with you candidates and let's
talk about the National Guard here in
the city of New York. Now, let's go back
to Mr. President Donald Trump. This is a
layup from
>> taking over the city is the deployment
of the National Guard troops like he has
done as you all know in other cities.
The NYPD commissioner has rejected the
idea as unnecessary but the president
order troops to hit the streets of New
York now. How would you respond? U Mr.
Shiwa, you have a minute.
>> There's no need for the National Guard
in New York. Kathy Hokll, the governor,
when we had a crime crisis in the
subways that I'm well familiar with
being down there all the time, unlike my
two adversaries, uh she sent 750
National Guardsmen down into the subways
in 2024. Remember the horrible case of
Deina Kow? Does anybody even say her
name anymore? That woman who was set on
fire by that migrant as a result of that
the worst crime I've ever seen committed
in the subway system. The governor did
the right thing. She sent an additional
250 National Guardsmen, giving us a
total of a thousand National Guardsmen
in the subway system. While our mayor,
Eric Adams, was telling us it was all a
perception. So, Governor Hokll has
responded. I would tell the president of
the United States, since I'm familiar
with cities all across America having
guardian angels there, if you were going
to send the National Guard, you don't
need to send them to New York City.
There are other cities that could
desperately use their help in dealing
with their crime crisis.
>> Thank you, Mr. Siwa. Uh Mr. Mdani, how
would you respond?
>> You know, I agree with police
commissioner Tish and that we do not
need the National Guard here in New York
City. We do not need them for the
purpose of safety because it if it was
safety that President Trump was so
concerned about, he would send them to
the eight out of 10 states that have the
highest levels of crime in this country.
But he won't because they're all run by
Republicans. What New Yorkers need is a
mayor who can stand up to Donald Trump
and actually deliver on that safety.
When Donald Trump sent ICE agents on
people in Los Angeles, Andrew Cuomo said
that New Yorkers need not overreact.
That is the furthest answer that New
Yorkers are looking for. They are
looking for someone who will lead,
someone who will say that they will have
their back, someone who will actually
fight for the people of this city. And
that's who I am because I'm not funded
by the same donors that gave us Donald
Trump's second term, which isn't
something that Andrew Cuomo can say.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mundane.
>> Yeah. First, the answer in the subways
is not more National Guard. I put
National Guard in the subways also. It's
more NYPD is the answer. But, uh, the
National Guard is not he's not sending
in the National Guard to do any real
function. It's control, it's power. He's
trying to say these Democrats don't know
how to run these cities and it's a
political gesture by sending in the
National Guard. He has said if the
assemblyman is elected, he will take
over New York. Forget the National
Guard. But this is he said, "I'm going
to take the funds."
>> They order the troops to come here. The
The
>> Well, I went through this with him. He
sent the National Guard to 20 cities
when I was governor. You know what city
didn't he didn't send them to? New York.
Why? Because I said to him, "Don't you
dare. We don't need it." And he backed
down and he will again.
>> So, that proves a good relation.
>> Wait a second. The president is going to
back down to you, Andrew Cuomo. I know
you you think you're the toughest guy
alive, but let me tell you something.
You lost your own primary, right? You
were rejected by your Democrats, and you
have a difficult understanding that what
the term no is. You're not going to
stand up to Donald Trump.
>> I agree with Curtis.
>> You're not going to stand up to Donald Trump.
Trump.
>> And he can't stand up to Donald Trump
who knocked him right on his toes. You
negotiate with him. You don't fight with
it because only the people of New York
City will lose.
>> Stand up to negotiate.
>> We have a followup.
>> Uh, I'd like to see a show of hands. Are
there any circumstances where any of you
would allow the NYPD to cooperate with the National Guard if Trump sent them to
the National Guard if Trump sent them to New York? Show of hands. Yes. No takers.
New York? Show of hands. Yes. No takers. Okay. Moving on. If history as a guide,
Okay. Moving on. If history as a guide, National Guard troops in the city could
National Guard troops in the city could trigger protests. And we have questions
trigger protests. And we have questions for each of you about how you would
for each of you about how you would handle that. So, Mr. Siwa, you have been
handle that. So, Mr. Siwa, you have been arrested for protesting migrant housing
arrested for protesting migrant housing and for trying to serve Mayor Bill
and for trying to serve Mayor Bill Delasio with court papers. How would
Delasio with court papers. How would your NYPD handle protests and would you
your NYPD handle protests and would you continue participating in protests as
continue participating in protests as mayor? You have one minute.
mayor? You have one minute. >> Well, I have been arrested oftent times
>> Well, I have been arrested oftent times in civil disobedience. That is a great
in civil disobedience. That is a great American right. But demonstrations
American right. But demonstrations have a time and a place. And it used to
have a time and a place. And it used to be before Bill Delasio. I know he was
be before Bill Delasio. I know he was your favorite mayor. on Mandami that
your favorite mayor. on Mandami that you'd have to get a permit. There's a
you'd have to get a permit. There's a time period you were in a structured
time period you were in a structured area. You get a sound permit could be
area. You get a sound permit could be turned around in a day. If there was
turned around in a day. If there was going to be civil disobedience, you
going to be civil disobedience, you discussed it with the police department
discussed it with the police department and obviously you had an opportunity of
and obviously you had an opportunity of expressing your anger or your outrage at
expressing your anger or your outrage at whatever it was that motivated you to
whatever it was that motivated you to sit down in the street to block traffic
sit down in the street to block traffic or block an egress. Now we have
or block an egress. Now we have rampaging groups that go running through
rampaging groups that go running through the streets that enter all kinds of
the streets that enter all kinds of facilities and violate other people's
facilities and violate other people's rights. And there's no one who's willing
rights. And there's no one who's willing to stop it. When I'm the mayor, there
to stop it. When I'm the mayor, there are rules and regulations. Everybody has
are rules and regulations. Everybody has a right to demonstrate, but you can't
a right to demonstrate, but you can't violate other people's rights or you
violate other people's rights or you yourself must be arrested. And I would
yourself must be arrested. And I would remove the face coverings. Remove those
remove the face coverings. Remove those face coverings. Why are you afraid of
face coverings. Why are you afraid of identifying who you are as a
identifying who you are as a demonstrator unless maybe you're an
demonstrator unless maybe you're an agent provocator who's been sent in here
agent provocator who's been sent in here to cause chaos?
to cause chaos? >> Thank you, Rosarina.
>> Thank you, Rosarina. >> The next question goes to you, Mr.
>> The next question goes to you, Mr. Mandani. You were arrested for blocking
Mandani. You were arrested for blocking traffic in a pro Palestinian protest and
traffic in a pro Palestinian protest and you participated in a sitin at Grand
you participated in a sitin at Grand Central. Protesters offered block
Central. Protesters offered block streets, bridges, and hubs like Grand
streets, bridges, and hubs like Grand Central. How much of that would you
Central. How much of that would you allowed as mayor? And what's your line
allowed as mayor? And what's your line in having the NYPD arrest protesters?
in having the NYPD arrest protesters? You have a minute.
You have a minute. >> Protest is a part of what makes this
>> Protest is a part of what makes this city's history what it is. It is a part
city's history what it is. It is a part of the First Amendment. We deserve to
of the First Amendment. We deserve to have a mayor who stands up for that
have a mayor who stands up for that First Amendment, especially as we have a
First Amendment, especially as we have a president that's looking to shred it at
president that's looking to shred it at each and every opportunity. And we will
each and every opportunity. And we will continue to have protests in this city
continue to have protests in this city as we should no matter who is the mayor.
as we should no matter who is the mayor. And the line will be on the question of
And the line will be on the question of breaking the law. What we have today,
breaking the law. What we have today, however, is an attempt to intimidate so
however, is an attempt to intimidate so many who are looking to use that freedom
many who are looking to use that freedom of expression to share their opinions
of expression to share their opinions about the city and the world around
about the city and the world around them. And to be frank with you, what New
them. And to be frank with you, what New Yorkers are looking for is someone who
Yorkers are looking for is someone who can show leadership in city hall.
can show leadership in city hall. Because when they don't see that
Because when they don't see that leadership, that's when so many take to
leadership, that's when so many take to the streets. And if you had a leader
the streets. And if you had a leader like Andrew Cuomo who was telling people
like Andrew Cuomo who was telling people not to overreact when they see ICE
not to overreact when they see ICE agents abducting girls as young as 6
agents abducting girls as young as 6 years old to deport them, many New
years old to deport them, many New Yorkers will take to the streets. We
Yorkers will take to the streets. We deserve to have a leader who will
deserve to have a leader who will actually be following through on the
actually be following through on the values of the city. That's the leader
values of the city. That's the leader that I'll be.
that I'll be. >> Mr. Mandano, just a quick followup. If
>> Mr. Mandano, just a quick followup. If you're elected, would you still
you're elected, would you still participate in protest?
participate in protest? >> No. If I'm elected, I'll be the mayor
>> No. If I'm elected, I'll be the mayor and I'll be leading the city from city
and I'll be leading the city from city hall.
hall. >> But no no participation in protest,
>> But no no participation in protest, right?
right? >> The the important thing is to lead from
>> The the important thing is to lead from city hall. That's what I'll be doing.
city hall. That's what I'll be doing. Okay.
Okay. >> Yeah. If I may respond because I believe
>> Yeah. If I may respond because I believe my name was
my name was >> That was quite charming. I think that
>> That was quite charming. I think that was quite charming.
was quite charming. >> Invoked. Yeah.
>> Invoked. Yeah. >> A very brief response and then I have a
>> A very brief response and then I have a question for you.
question for you. >> Uh I dealt with ICE. I stood up with
>> Uh I dealt with ICE. I stood up with ICE. I had a war with ICE in New York
ICE. I had a war with ICE in New York when I was governor.
when I was governor. >> Uh and I stood them down and they moved
>> Uh and I stood them down and they moved out. Uh what the assemblymen are saying
out. Uh what the assemblymen are saying is uh he doesn't believe in law and
is uh he doesn't believe in law and order. He believes in defunding the
order. He believes in defunding the police, disarming the police, disbanding
police, disarming the police, disbanding party
party jails. I have a question for you. 15
jails. I have a question for you. 15 seconds
seconds and then we do just 15 seconds because
and then we do just 15 seconds because we have a question for Mr.
we have a question for Mr. >> Mr. Cuomo lies again and again and
>> Mr. Cuomo lies again and again and again. I am not running to defund the
again. I am not running to defund the police. I am running to actually work
police. I am running to actually work with the police to deliver public
with the police to deliver public safety. Andrew Cuomo says that he has
safety. Andrew Cuomo says that he has stood up to ICE. He has not said a word
stood up to ICE. He has not said a word about the abductions that are happening
about the abductions that are happening right now.
right now. >> He's referring to a previous comment you
>> He's referring to a previous comment you made and we will get back to this. But
made and we will get back to this. But Mr. Cuomo, a question for you.
Mr. Cuomo, a question for you. >> It's a comment he made the operative.
>> It's a comment he made the operative. >> Yes, I understand. But I said that as
>> Yes, I understand. But I said that as governor, you put the National Guard on
governor, you put the National Guard on standby during the George Floyd protest.
standby during the George Floyd protest. You didn't deploy them. As mayor, talk
You didn't deploy them. As mayor, talk about how you would balance the right to
about how you would balance the right to protest with maintaining order in the
protest with maintaining order in the streets.
streets. >> The right to protest. The right to
>> The right to protest. The right to protest is a sacred right. There is no
protest is a sacred right. There is no doubt about that. But the law is the law
doubt about that. But the law is the law also. And you have New Yorkers now who
also. And you have New Yorkers now who are afraid in this city. They're afraid
are afraid in this city. They're afraid of Donald Trump coming. They're afraid
of Donald Trump coming. They're afraid of that anarchy. and they're afraid of
of that anarchy. and they're afraid of the anarchy in this city itself. We have
the anarchy in this city itself. We have to provide public safety that makes New
to provide public safety that makes New Yorkers feel safe. Demonstration is one
Yorkers feel safe. Demonstration is one thing. Violating the law is something
thing. Violating the law is something else. Blocking public transit is
else. Blocking public transit is something else. Stopping students from
something else. Stopping students from going to class is something har else.
going to class is something har else. Harassment, intimidation, that's a hate
Harassment, intimidation, that's a hate crime. That's illegal. Enforce the law.
crime. That's illegal. Enforce the law. Respect the police. They're not racists,
Respect the police. They're not racists, uh, as the assemblyman calls them.
uh, as the assemblyman calls them. They're not a threat to public safety as
They're not a threat to public safety as he says. They're not anti-quer.
he says. They're not anti-quer. Uh they are here to protect New York
Uh they are here to protect New York with them, fortify them.
with them, fortify them. >> You know, that's that's ironic that you
>> You know, that's that's ironic that you say that. Now,
say that. Now, >> I'm sorry,
>> I'm sorry, >> Andrew Cuomo, because when you were
>> Andrew Cuomo, because when you were governor for 8 years, your parole board
governor for 8 years, your parole board released 43 cop killers back into the
released 43 cop killers back into the street. Your father, when he was
street. Your father, when he was governor, released none. I knew Mario
governor, released none. I knew Mario Cuomo. You're no Mario Cuomo, Andrew
Cuomo. You're no Mario Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo.
Cuomo. Don't say you're
Don't say you're going to respond briefly to the comments
going to respond briefly to the comments that Mr. Cuomo raised about things
that Mr. Cuomo raised about things you've said about police. You can do a
you've said about police. You can do a brief response to that.
brief response to that. >> I have been clear time and time again
>> I have been clear time and time again that as much as Andrew Cuomo wants to
that as much as Andrew Cuomo wants to bring up tweets from 2020, which is
bring up tweets from 2020, which is around the same time that he was sending
around the same time that he was sending seniors to their death in nursing homes,
seniors to their death in nursing homes, I am looking to work with police
I am looking to work with police officers, not to defund the NYPD.
officers, not to defund the NYPD. looking to ensure that officers can
looking to ensure that officers can actually do one job when they're signing
actually do one job when they're signing up to join that department, not the many
up to join that department, not the many jobs we're asking them to do.
jobs we're asking them to do. Specifically, the comments you made. We
Specifically, the comments you made. We will come back to that, but we're
will come back to that, but we're candidates and racist. Can
candidates and racist. Can >> I just say, by the way, like just to
>> I just say, by the way, like just to just on a a side point to a lot of this
just on a a side point to a lot of this cuz I think it's worth noting that
cuz I think it's worth noting that Mandani is the only one here who comes
Mandani is the only one here who comes across as even slightly mayoral. like
across as even slightly mayoral. like Cuomo comes across as borderline
Cuomo comes across as borderline hysterical uh with the um with the
hysterical uh with the um with the interruptions and the the misspeaking
interruptions and the the misspeaking and the weird obsessive, you know,
and the weird obsessive, you know, attacks. Uh and Siwa is Siwa. You know,
attacks. Uh and Siwa is Siwa. You know, Mani is the only one here who even comes
Mani is the only one here who even comes across as professional.
across as professional. >> We're moving on.
>> We're moving on. >> That's what you said. Your words, your
>> That's what you said. Your words, your words.
words. >> We're moving on. Thank you. Despite
>> We're moving on. Thank you. Despite record low crime numbers, polls show
record low crime numbers, polls show that crime remains a top concern for New
that crime remains a top concern for New York City voters. The three of you have
York City voters. The three of you have very different approaches to crime
very different approaches to crime fighting and how to manage the NYPD. We
fighting and how to manage the NYPD. We want to get into your plans. So, we'll
want to get into your plans. So, we'll start with this question. It's a
start with this question. It's a two-part question, but it's short. How
two-part question, but it's short. How will you make the city safer and how
will you make the city safer and how will you change the NYPD? You'll have
will you change the NYPD? You'll have one minute. We begin with Mr. Cuomo.
one minute. We begin with Mr. Cuomo. >> Uh, I would add 5,000. Well, let's take
>> Uh, I would add 5,000. Well, let's take a step back. Remember what happened. The
a step back. Remember what happened. The far left, the socialists that defund the
far left, the socialists that defund the police, defund the police. They took a
police, defund the police. They took a billion dollars out of the police. The
billion dollars out of the police. The NYPD is now down at one of the lowest
NYPD is now down at one of the lowest levels in modern political history. I
levels in modern political history. I would add 5,000 police, put 1,500 in the
would add 5,000 police, put 1,500 in the subways.
subways. >> The NYPD budget has only grown. Um, the
>> The NYPD budget has only grown. Um, the NYPD has fewer people than it used to
NYPD has fewer people than it used to because cops are leaving because the job
because cops are leaving because the job sucks.
sucks. >> Raise the starting salary because you
>> Raise the starting salary because you can't hire them. You can't even fill a
can't hire them. You can't even fill a class right now. Uh, and you have to add
class right now. Uh, and you have to add additional police officers because the
additional police officers because the attrition rate is so high. Uh, part of
attrition rate is so high. Uh, part of that is going to be saying to the NYPD,
that is going to be saying to the NYPD, I respect you. I don't think you're
I respect you. I don't think you're wicked. As the assemblyman said, I don't
wicked. As the assemblyman said, I don't think you're corrupt. I don't think
think you're corrupt. I don't think you're racist. I value you. I will have
you're racist. I value you. I will have your back. I'll be a mayor to work with
your back. I'll be a mayor to work with you. Uh, that's how you're going to get
you. Uh, that's how you're going to get the police uh uh to apply for the jobs.
the police uh uh to apply for the jobs. And then we have to work on the
And then we have to work on the relationship between the community and
relationship between the community and the police. The police can't police the
the police. The police can't police the community. They have to police I like
community. They have to police I like how he's explicitly acknowledging that
how he's explicitly acknowledging that capitulating to the police is his first
capitulating to the police is his first priority and the second priority is
priority and the second priority is making sure the police get along with
making sure the police get along with the people. You know, like he just laid
the people. You know, like he just laid it out right there. Oh, making sure the
it out right there. Oh, making sure the police serve the people. Secondary
police serve the people. Secondary priority. First, they got to know I'm on
priority. First, they got to know I'm on their team.
their team. >> Oh, you're up next, Mr. Sela.
>> Oh, you're up next, Mr. Sela. >> This is amazing. I'm standing here with
>> This is amazing. I'm standing here with my two adversaries
my two adversaries >> between two communist
>> between two communist >> have threatened to defund the police.
>> have threatened to defund the police. you, Andrew Cuomo, during the summer of
you, Andrew Cuomo, during the summer of 2020, you said if you don't reform
2020, you said if you don't reform police departments, I'm going to defund
police departments, I'm going to defund you. And you certainly said that. Zorhan
you. And you certainly said that. Zorhan Mandami, we need 7,000 police. We only
Mandami, we need 7,000 police. We only have 32,500.
have 32,500. The problem in recruiting police, which
The problem in recruiting police, which neither of you are addressing, is that
neither of you are addressing, is that their insurance was stripped from them.
their insurance was stripped from them. The state, you did nothing when you were
The state, you did nothing when you were governor. And here in the city, 2021,
governor. And here in the city, 2021, the city council and Eric Adams did
the city council and Eric Adams did nothing. They don't have qualified
nothing. They don't have qualified immunity, which you've benefited from,
immunity, which you've benefited from, Andrew Cuomo, with the 13 lawsuits filed
Andrew Cuomo, with the 13 lawsuits filed against you for sexual harassment. Tom
against you for sexual harassment. Tom Denapoli says, "We're paying out $60
Denapoli says, "We're paying out $60 million." Why? Cuz you had your
million." Why? Cuz you had your qualified immunity as governor. And yet,
qualified immunity as governor. And yet, people have stood by as police have lost
people have stood by as police have lost their insurance that all civil servants
their insurance that all civil servants have. That's why you can't get recruits
have. That's why you can't get recruits in because they're not insured. I will
in because they're not insured. I will return their qualified immunity because
return their qualified immunity because they need to be protected like other
they need to be protected like other civil servants.
civil servants. >> That is not New York State. It's New
>> That is not New York State. It's New York City under qualified insurance.
York City under qualified insurance. Unqualified immunity. It's not insurance
Unqualified immunity. It's not insurance at all.
at all. >> You are entitled to legal counsel, which
>> You are entitled to legal counsel, which is what he's referring to. You have
is what he's referring to. You have spent
spent >> Yes. But it's New York City that has uh
>> Yes. But it's New York City that has uh revoked qualified immunity. It's not
revoked qualified immunity. It's not insurance. It's qualified immunity. Has
insurance. It's qualified immunity. Has nothing to do with insurance.
nothing to do with insurance. >> So that protected you in all these
>> So that protected you in all these lawsuits. And yes, the lawsuits because
lawsuits. And yes, the lawsuits because there was a report filed. I said it was
there was a report filed. I said it was political. It turned out to be uh
political. It turned out to be uh political and that's why
political and that's why >> all 13 women were lying. Come on,
>> all 13 women were lying. Come on, Andrew. All 13 women were lying after
Andrew. All 13 women were lying after five years. A state trooper too. Yeah.
five years. A state trooper too. Yeah. After five years, five, five years of
After five years, five, five years of litigation, I was dropped from the case.
litigation, I was dropped from the case. >> Mr. Mr. Donnie, how are you? Remember
>> Mr. Mr. Donnie, how are you? Remember that uh he only took the hard stance
that uh he only took the hard stance that all of it was made up, which by the
that all of it was made up, which by the way, again, his his claim here is
way, again, his his claim here is literally yes, every single one of those
literally yes, every single one of those women lied. That's his claim. But
women lied. That's his claim. But initially, he was he was contr. He
initially, he was he was contr. He remember he resigned. Uh he only he only
remember he resigned. Uh he only he only um adopted this whole actually the whole
um adopted this whole actually the whole thing was made up take when he was uh
thing was made up take when he was uh when he was tapped in to uh to fight
when he was tapped in to uh to fight against Mumani. You know, this whole
against Mumani. You know, this whole thing this is new. He was more or less
thing this is new. He was more or less living in obscurity before then. Yeah,
living in obscurity before then. Yeah, he resigned in disgrace. He was just no
he resigned in disgrace. He was just no one talked about him for years and he
one talked about him for years and he showed up presumably because I don't
showed up presumably because I don't know Schumer sick to Mandani or
know Schumer sick to Mandani or whatever.
whatever. >> Okay, Mr. Mandani, how will you make the
>> Okay, Mr. Mandani, how will you make the city safer and how will you change the
city safer and how will you change the NYPD?
NYPD? >> Thank you. This is the concern for so
>> Thank you. This is the concern for so many New Yorkers and I'm proud to have a
many New Yorkers and I'm proud to have a comprehensive plan to bring new ideas to
comprehensive plan to bring new ideas to this city. If you want more of the same,
this city. If you want more of the same, vote for Andrew Cuomo. If you want an
vote for Andrew Cuomo. If you want an actual approach to lower crime, look at
actual approach to lower crime, look at our Department of Community Safety. That
our Department of Community Safety. That is something that has been hailed by
is something that has been hailed by experts as addressing so many of the
experts as addressing so many of the pieces of why New Yorkers are not
pieces of why New Yorkers are not feeling safe today. We will ensure that
feeling safe today. We will ensure that no longer are police officers asked to
no longer are police officers asked to do the job of both policing and
do the job of both policing and responding to the mental health crisis.
responding to the mental health crisis. We will have dedicated teams of mental
We will have dedicated teams of mental health outreach workers in the top 100
health outreach workers in the top 100 subway stations with the highest levels
subway stations with the highest levels of the mental health crisis and
of the mental health crisis and homelessness. We will ensure that cops
homelessness. We will ensure that cops can finally go back to the response
can finally go back to the response times they used to have in 2020, closer
times they used to have in 2020, closer to 11 minutes, as opposed to the closer
to 11 minutes, as opposed to the closer to 16 minutes today, because they won't
to 16 minutes today, because they won't be asked to respond to the 200,000
be asked to respond to the 200,000 mental health calls that are coming in
mental health calls that are coming in through 911 every year. This is
through 911 every year. This is evidence-based. It's been successful
evidence-based. It's been successful elsewhere in the country. It's time we
elsewhere in the country. It's time we deliver it right here in New York City.
deliver it right here in New York City. It's time for
It's time for >> Thank you, Mr. Mandani.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mandani. >> Sorry, Mandamani. We already had it.
>> Sorry, Mandamani. We already had it. It's called the homeless. I'm sorry.
It's called the homeless. I'm sorry. This is free. We have another question
This is free. We have another question for Mr. Maldan. Billio funded them by
for Mr. Maldan. Billio funded them by billion dollar.
billion dollar. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> Excuse me. Mr. Manni, we're going to
>> Excuse me. Mr. Manni, we're going to talk about disciplining police officers.
talk about disciplining police officers. The civilian watchdog that investigates
The civilian watchdog that investigates police misconduct regularly recommends
police misconduct regularly recommends discipline for cops accused of
discipline for cops accused of wrongdoing, but the police commissioner
wrongdoing, but the police commissioner often overrides them. You want to change
often overrides them. You want to change that policy so that the board has final
that policy so that the board has final say. Please explain to viewers in 30
say. Please explain to viewers in 30 seconds why you believe the police
seconds why you believe the police commissioner should no longer have that
commissioner should no longer have that final say.
final say. >> What I've said is that I think it's time
>> What I've said is that I think it's time to remove much of the politics out of
to remove much of the politics out of the question of accountability. We have
the question of accountability. We have the civilian complaint review board
the civilian complaint review board which as you said studies, assesses and
which as you said studies, assesses and investigates into complaints of abuse
investigates into complaints of abuse and the violation of the law and often
and the violation of the law and often times those recommendations are then
times those recommendations are then subject to political pressures and not
subject to political pressures and not followed through on. It is insane that
followed through on. It is insane that we've reached a point of like top
we've reached a point of like top warship in this country where this is
warship in this country where this is even something that has to be discussed.
even something that has to be discussed. Like this is potentially something you
Like this is potentially something you could trip up on and make a mistake. Um
could trip up on and make a mistake. Um yes uh I do think that uh I do think
yes uh I do think that uh I do think police should be held accountable and
police should be held accountable and should not just be tyrants running over
should not just be tyrants running over our city with no rules or
our city with no rules or accountability. Oh [ __ ] And you like
accountability. Oh [ __ ] And you like gaff and and lose the election over it
gaff and and lose the election over it or something. New Yorkers deserve a
or something. New Yorkers deserve a system where they know it won't then be
system where they know it won't then be assessed once again that there's
assessed once again that there's actually more to the recommendation in
actually more to the recommendation in the investigation that's being done by
the investigation that's being done by the CCR.
the CCR. >> Okay, we're wrapping up. Thank you.
>> Okay, we're wrapping up. Thank you. >> Thank you, Mr. Mandani. Mr. Cuomo, do
>> Thank you, Mr. Mandani. Mr. Cuomo, do you believe changes are needed for how
you believe changes are needed for how officers are disciplined and are there
officers are disciplined and are there any powers that you would give up as
any powers that you would give up as mayor? You have 30 seconds.
mayor? You have 30 seconds. >> Yeah, I would uh not remove the police
>> Yeah, I would uh not remove the police commissioner from the CCB. Uh I'd leave
commissioner from the CCB. Uh I'd leave it with the police commissioner. I think
it with the police commissioner. I think Commissioner Tisha is doing a very good
Commissioner Tisha is doing a very good job. I would trust her. Uh the
job. I would trust her. Uh the difference between me and the
difference between me and the assemblyman is he doesn't like the
assemblyman is he doesn't like the police. That's why he won't hire more
police. That's why he won't hire more police when everyone else says we need
police when everyone else says we need more police. He wants to use social
more police. He wants to use social workers on domestic violence calls which
workers on domestic violence calls which are very dangerous. Uh and he's told you
are very dangerous. Uh and he's told you what he thinks. He thinks the police are
what he thinks. He thinks the police are racist, wicked, corrupt, and a threat to
racist, wicked, corrupt, and a threat to public safety. Those are his words.
public safety. Those are his words. >> Very quickly, Mr. Mr. I'm done. Very
>> Very quickly, Mr. Mr. I'm done. Very quick.
quick. >> Look, Andrew Cuomo is a politician of
>> Look, Andrew Cuomo is a politician of the past and all he can speak about are
the past and all he can speak about are the tweets of the past in 2020. Those
the tweets of the past in 2020. Those are tweets which I have apologized for
are tweets which I have apologized for to New Yorkers and police officers
to New Yorkers and police officers directly and they are not what I am
directly and they are not what I am actually running on, but you're
actually running on, but you're incapable of actually speaking about the
incapable of actually speaking about the platform that we have here, which is one
platform that we have here, which is one that will keep New Yorkers safe.
that will keep New Yorkers safe. >> Can we just quickly ask you because I
>> Can we just quickly ask you because I think what some people feel they haven't
think what some people feel they haven't heard from you, we hear you saying that
heard from you, we hear you saying that you don't believe that anymore and
you don't believe that anymore and you've apologized. people have not heard
you've apologized. people have not heard you sort of describe the evolution of
you sort of describe the evolution of your thought, how you got from there to
your thought, how you got from there to here.
here. >> You know, I think that's a fair
>> You know, I think that's a fair question. This is one of the reasons why
question. This is one of the reasons why I think it was bad for him to apologize
I think it was bad for him to apologize in the first place, you know. Um once
in the first place, you know. Um once you apologize and you you indicate that
you apologize and you you indicate that you can uh that you're willing to seed
you can uh that you're willing to seed ground. People just want you to seed
ground. People just want you to seed more ground. Um you just have to ignore
more ground. Um you just have to ignore it. Like I don't know if it was
it. Like I don't know if it was necessary for him to respond to the
necessary for him to respond to the Hassan bit. As incredibly funny as it is
Hassan bit. As incredibly funny as it is that Mandani has now officially
that Mandani has now officially condemned Hassan's comments about 911.
condemned Hassan's comments about 911. um you know he he didn't really have to
um you know he he didn't really have to acknowledge it. Uh I think you can just
acknowledge it. Uh I think you can just sort of broadly dismiss a lot of
sort of broadly dismiss a lot of accusations. You know
accusations. You know >> growing up in this city I would think
>> growing up in this city I would think often about safety and justice and the
often about safety and justice and the ways in which that that relationship has
ways in which that that relationship has been irrevocably harmed when I learned
been irrevocably harmed when I learned about the exonerated five when I learned
about the exonerated five when I learned about Shawn Bell when I learned about
about Shawn Bell when I learned about Eric Garner. when I learned about
Eric Garner. when I learned about Michael Brown and then in 2020 when I
Michael Brown and then in 2020 when I wrote these tweets learning about the
wrote these tweets learning about the death of George Floyd and that was a
death of George Floyd and that was a moment where it felt as if the distance
moment where it felt as if the distance between these two ideals had never been
between these two ideals had never been further and in becoming an assembly
further and in becoming an assembly member and serving and representing more
member and serving and representing more than 100,000 people in Queens learning
than 100,000 people in Queens learning that to deliver justice means to also
that to deliver justice means to also deliver safety and that means leading a
deliver safety and that means leading a city where you recognize the bravery of
city where you recognize the bravery of the men and women who joined the NYPD
the men and women who joined the NYPD and put their lives on the line. It
and put their lives on the line. It means representing the Muslims who were
means representing the Muslims who were illegally surveiled in my district and
illegally surveiled in my district and the black and brown New Yorkers who have
the black and brown New Yorkers who have been victims of police brutality.
been victims of police brutality. >> So So Mr.
>> So So Mr. >> Time concerns aside that was that was
>> Time concerns aside that was that was pretty great. That was really good. You
pretty great. That was really good. You know, essentially like you know when I
know, essentially like you know when I became an assemblyman I I understood
became an assemblyman I I understood that these are forces that you have to
that these are forces that you have to work with. What's your plan for when
work with. What's your plan for when Mamm Donnie disavows you? Not going to
Mamm Donnie disavows you? Not going to happen. I've never said anything
happen. I've never said anything controversial.
controversial. >> Well, you've been out there. You've been
>> Well, you've been out there. You've been on the trains and I would like to know
on the trains and I would like to know if you believe changes are needed of how
if you believe changes are needed of how officers are disciplined.
officers are disciplined. >> Let me just suggest Zorhan what you've
>> Let me just suggest Zorhan what you've suggested.
suggested. >> Zoron courtesy.
>> Zoron courtesy. >> Zoran,
>> Zoran, >> excuse me.
>> It I don't know how but somehow that interaction right there was a dig at
interaction right there was a dig at Cuomo. Let me just suggest that what you
Cuomo. Let me just suggest that what you have proposed with this new police
have proposed with this new police outrage unit will endanger women and
outrage unit will endanger women and children in domestic violence
children in domestic violence situations. I know I've been involved in
situations. I know I've been involved in so many of them with the guardian
so many of them with the guardian angels. They will be killed. They will
angels. They will be killed. They will be maimed. Number two, in dealing with
be maimed. Number two, in dealing with emotionally disturbed persons that I
emotionally disturbed persons that I have dealt with for all my years as the
have dealt with for all my years as the guardian angels, you need trained
guardian angels, you need trained professional police officers. Yes, you
professional police officers. Yes, you can have mental health workers with
can have mental health workers with them, but that has been suggested. It
them, but that has been suggested. It was done before by the homeless outreach
was done before by the homeless outreach and the guy you thought was the best
and the guy you thought was the best Delasio disbanded.
Delasio disbanded. >> Mr. Lewood, thank you.
>> Mr. Lewood, thank you. >> Brief response.
>> Brief response. >> To be very clear, the department of
>> To be very clear, the department of community safety is not about responding
community safety is not about responding to calls of domestic violence. We are
to calls of domestic violence. We are speaking about mental health crisis and
speaking about mental health crisis and the homelessness crisis. These are the
the homelessness crisis. These are the focuses of the work that they will do.
focuses of the work that they will do. >> All right. We we we have other questions
>> All right. We we we have other questions for that a little later in the debate,
for that a little later in the debate, but we want to just change the pace a
but we want to just change the pace a little bit, candidates, switching gears
little bit, candidates, switching gears to the high cost of living
to the high cost of living >> in New York City.
>> in New York City. >> Uh to kick us off, we have a few quick
>> Uh to kick us off, we have a few quick pocketbook questions that New Yorkers
pocketbook questions that New Yorkers wrestle with daily. So, we want to know
wrestle with daily. So, we want to know how much you spend a week on groceries.
how much you spend a week on groceries. We'll begin with you, Mr. Cuomo.
We'll begin with you, Mr. Cuomo. >> Uh
>> Uh >> give my servants.
>> give my servants. >> Depends how many times my daughters come
>> Depends how many times my daughters come over. Uh but probably about $150.
over. Uh but probably about $150. >> Okay, Mr. SWA. That's such a [ __ ]
>> Okay, Mr. SWA. That's such a [ __ ] lie. 0% chance. Unbel He could have made
lie. 0% chance. Unbel He could have made up any number there, man. [ __ ]
up any number there, man. [ __ ] [ __ ]
[ __ ] >> Oh, I'd say about $175
>> Oh, I'd say about $175 with a gallon of milk now $5 and always
with a gallon of milk now $5 and always rising up. Loaf of bread. Simple loaf of
rising up. Loaf of bread. Simple loaf of bread that used to be 99 cent $3 now.
bread that used to be 99 cent $3 now. >> Price is too sweet.
>> Price is too sweet. >> A brief answer. Thank you, Mr. Mani.
>> A brief answer. Thank you, Mr. Mani. >> Yeah, I actually agree with Curtis on
>> Yeah, I actually agree with Curtis on that. It is too costly. Now that eggs
that. It is too costly. Now that eggs are down to less than four bucks though,
are down to less than four bucks though, my average spend every week is about
my average spend every week is about 1251 150.
1251 150. >> All right. Do you carry credit card debt
>> All right. Do you carry credit card debt or do you pay it off every month? Mr.
or do you pay it off every month? Mr. Maldani,
Maldani, >> I pay it off every month.
>> I pay it off every month. >> Mr. Cuomo,
>> Mr. Cuomo, >> pay it off.
>> pay it off. >> Mr. SWA,
>> Mr. SWA, >> I don't have a credit card. I have a
>> I don't have a credit card. I have a debit card.
debit card. >> [ __ ] He's so based.
>> [ __ ] He's so based. >> And for the record, what is your monthly
>> And for the record, what is your monthly rent or mortgage, Mr. SWA?
rent or mortgage, Mr. SWA? >> Uh, about 3,900.
>> Uh, about 3,900. Uh, it's not uh subsidized as
Uh, it's not uh subsidized as >> Mr. Mani, what is your monthly rent or
>> Mr. Mani, what is your monthly rent or mortgage?
mortgage? >> $2,300.
>> $2,300. >> Mr. Qu,
>> Mr. Qu, >> he has a rent stabilized apartment that
>> he has a rent stabilized apartment that a poor person is supposed to have. Uh,
a poor person is supposed to have. Uh, mine is about $7,800.
mine is about $7,800. >> Okay,
>> Okay, >> we are actually getting to
>> we are actually getting to >> we're going to we're going to cover that
>> we're going to we're going to cover that subject, Sally. Appreciate that.
subject, Sally. Appreciate that. >> Thank you. Uh, we're going to talk a
>> Thank you. Uh, we're going to talk a little bit more about the runaway.
little bit more about the runaway. Remember Cuomo's unhinged [ __ ]
Remember Cuomo's unhinged [ __ ] meltdown tweet where he was like,
meltdown tweet where he was like, "There's a homeless woman on the street
"There's a homeless woman on the street uh who who doesn't have a home because
uh who who doesn't have a home because mom Donniey's in that house?" Except
mom Donniey's in that house?" Except these are rent stabilized apartments
these are rent stabilized apartments that have an income requirement. They're
that have an income requirement. They're not like homeless shelter rooms. So that
not like homeless shelter rooms. So that homeless woman on the street would still
homeless woman on the street would still need to be making like borderline six
need to be making like borderline six figures in order to even be able to
figures in order to even be able to apply there.
apply there. >> Rent in this city. Mr. Mr. Mdonni,
>> Rent in this city. Mr. Mr. Mdonni, you're pledging to freeze rent for
you're pledging to freeze rent for nearly 1 million rent stabilized
nearly 1 million rent stabilized apartments. That really affects less
apartments. That really affects less than half of all rentals in the city.
than half of all rentals in the city. What is your plan for those who aren't
What is your plan for those who aren't in stabilized apartments but are
in stabilized apartments but are struggling to pay the rent? What are you
struggling to pay the rent? What are you going to do for them?
going to do for them? >> Well, I'm proud to say that I yes will
>> Well, I'm proud to say that I yes will freeze the rent for more than 2 million
freeze the rent for more than 2 million rentstabilized tenants. And I will also
rentstabilized tenants. And I will also build 200,000 truly affordable homes
build 200,000 truly affordable homes across the five burrows over the next 10
across the five burrows over the next 10 years to ensure that tenants, whether
years to ensure that tenants, whether rent stabilized or market rate, can
rent stabilized or market rate, can actually have more housing such that
actually have more housing such that they are not being priced out of this
they are not being priced out of this city. And finally, I'm also going to
city. And finally, I'm also going to make it easier for the private sector to
make it easier for the private sector to build housing in this city because what
build housing in this city because what we see today is that it's not labor,
we see today is that it's not labor, it's not materials, it's the weight that
it's not materials, it's the weight that is often costing so many so much to
is often costing so many so much to actually build the housing we need in
actually build the housing we need in this city.
this city. >> Thank you. And a followup for you, Mr.
>> Thank you. And a followup for you, Mr. Mr. Mom Donnie, the cost of maintaining
Mr. Mom Donnie, the cost of maintaining a building change year to year for
a building change year to year for landlords. The rent guidelines board is
landlords. The rent guidelines board is legally required to consider those costs
legally required to consider those costs when deciding whether to freeze rents.
when deciding whether to freeze rents. So, how can you promise a rent freeze
So, how can you promise a rent freeze today before ever seeing that data next
today before ever seeing that data next year?
year? >> You know, we've seen the data time and
>> You know, we've seen the data time and again. It's data data. It's been data
again. It's data data. It's been data that's been overruled by mayors again
that's been overruled by mayors again and again. The last rent guidelines
and again. The last rent guidelines board study showed that profits were up
board study showed that profits were up 12% for landlords of those units. And
12% for landlords of those units. And what did they do? They raised the rent
what did they do? They raised the rent adding to more than 12% under Eric Adams
adding to more than 12% under Eric Adams administration. What I am speaking about
administration. What I am speaking about is actually reflecting the needs of
is actually reflecting the needs of these New Yorkers and the state of the
these New Yorkers and the state of the market today. These are New Yorkers who
market today. These are New Yorkers who have a median household income of
have a median household income of $60,000. We do not need to be pushing
$60,000. We do not need to be pushing them further out of the city. We need to
them further out of the city. We need to keep them in their hearts.
keep them in their hearts. >> Aren't you saying in that answer that
>> Aren't you saying in that answer that you are going to prejudge? You will not
you are going to prejudge? You will not have seen the data for next year and
have seen the data for next year and you're making a determination based on
you're making a determination based on data you haven't seen.
data you haven't seen. I've seen the data year after year of
I've seen the data year after year of the fact that salaries are stagnating,
the fact that salaries are stagnating, costs are up, New Yorkers can't actually
costs are up, New Yorkers can't actually afford their apartments. And I will also
afford their apartments. And I will also take action to actually ensure
take action to actually ensure >> this is this is a really dumb question.
>> this is this is a really dumb question. Like yeah, you can you can absolutely
Like yeah, you can you can absolutely base policy in response to years and
base policy in response to years and decades of accumulated trends. Like you
decades of accumulated trends. Like you don't need you if you have a decade of
don't need you if you have a decade of data indicating a trend, you don't need
data indicating a trend, you don't need to wait till the last second before
to wait till the last second before saying you're going to support a policy
saying you're going to support a policy that would address the trend because
that would address the trend because what if next year the data indicates the
what if next year the data indicates the trend reversed even though like look at
trend reversed even though like look at the world around you. Do you guys
the world around you. Do you guys seriously think that's going to happen?
seriously think that's going to happen? Housing costs in New York City are going
Housing costs in New York City are going to go down like would like just out of
to go down like would like just out of nowhere. the landlords of those
nowhere. the landlords of those buildings can better handle their costs
buildings can better handle their costs by taking on their insurance, their
by taking on their insurance, their property taxes, and their seen next
property taxes, and their seen next year's dad. I do have a question for you
year's dad. I do have a question for you on this subject. You have proposed
on this subject. You have proposed something that you're calling Zoron's
something that you're calling Zoron's law. You think that Mr. Mandani earns
law. You think that Mr. Mandani earns too much to live in his rentstabilized
too much to live in his rentstabilized apartment, though I should note that
apartment, though I should note that there are no income tests for rent
there are no income tests for rent stabilized apartments. But critics say
stabilized apartments. But critics say your plan would force people to pay too
your plan would force people to pay too much of their income towards the rent.
much of their income towards the rent. So, if you think Mr. Mom Donnie is
So, if you think Mr. Mom Donnie is gaming the system. What about the other
gaming the system. What about the other New Yorkers? Thousands of them just like
New Yorkers? Thousands of them just like him who earn similar salaries who are
him who earn similar salaries who are living in similar apartments.
living in similar apartments. >> Okay, just to follow up on what Sally
>> Okay, just to follow up on what Sally was saying because she's
was saying because she's >> follow that was a [ __ ] post.
>> follow that was a [ __ ] post. >> This is not a new plan that the
>> This is not a new plan that the assemblyman is talking about. It's Bill
assemblyman is talking about. It's Bill Delasio's plan. It was called freeze the
Delasio's plan. It was called freeze the rent. Bill Delasio says uh the mayor
rent. Bill Delasio says uh the mayor can't say legally he's going to freeze
can't say legally he's going to freeze the rent. There's a rent guidelines
the rent. There's a rent guidelines board. There are certain uh
board. There are certain uh considerations that have to be looked
considerations that have to be looked at. You're right, Sally. You can't say
at. You're right, Sally. You can't say today what it's going to be in four
today what it's going to be in four years. Uh also freeze the rent uh only
years. Uh also freeze the rent uh only postpones the rent because then you have
postpones the rent because then you have to have an increase to cover the costs
to have an increase to cover the costs otherwise the building is going to go
otherwise the building is going to go bankrupt and it
bankrupt and it >> that that is what freezing means. Yeah.
>> that that is what freezing means. Yeah. Yeah. In in an in an e in an
Yeah. In in an in an e in an inflationary economic system. Yes.
inflationary economic system. Yes. Inevitably the number will go up but
Inevitably the number will go up but freezing it freezes it. Yeah. There's
freezing it freezes it. Yeah. There's nothing for the majority of renters who
nothing for the majority of renters who aren't in these rent stabilized units.
aren't in these rent stabilized units. There's nothing for NICHA. There's
There's nothing for NICHA. There's nothing for homeowners. There's nothing
nothing for homeowners. There's nothing black brown communities who are getting
black brown communities who are getting priced out.
priced out. >> I was the
>> I was the >> except for the ones that are in the rent
>> except for the ones that are in the rent stabilized apartments of which there are
stabilized apartments of which there are hundreds of thousands.
hundreds of thousands. >> Secretary, I built affordable housing
>> Secretary, I built affordable housing all across this nation. I built
all across this nation. I built affordable housing in this city when I
affordable housing in this city when I was in my 20s.
was in my 20s. >> I know how to get it done. I will get it
>> I know how to get it done. I will get it done on the rentstabilized units. What
done on the rentstabilized units. What I'm saying is those are the precious
I'm saying is those are the precious units and we should we should keep them
units and we should we should keep them for the most.
for the most. >> We have to move on. But I have a
>> We have to move on. But I have a question for you.
question for you. >> You can't the Ziron pays what 2,300 a
>> You can't the Ziron pays what 2,300 a month.
month. >> So that's like what is that? 30,000.
>> So that's like what is that? 30,000. Yeah. Just shy of 30,000. Like it's it's
Yeah. Just shy of 30,000. Like it's it's not for it's not for homeless people.
not for it's not for homeless people. $2,300 a month. This is a it's it's not
$2,300 a month. This is a it's it's not it's not for like people off the street
it's not for like people off the street or whatever. They're just rent
or whatever. They're just rent stabilized. They're not like designated
stabilized. They're not like designated uh uh uh uh like homeless or halfway
uh uh uh uh like homeless or halfway house units. That's never what they've
house units. That's never what they've been intended to be. They're to ensure
been intended to be. They're to ensure that a certain percentage of New York
that a certain percentage of New York City remains accessible to people who
City remains accessible to people who don't make sky-high incomes.
don't make sky-high incomes. >> No, sorry. He invoked me for much of
>> No, sorry. He invoked me for much of that question. Just a very brief
that question. Just a very brief response here.
response here. >> Very brief.
>> Very brief. >> You know, you've heard it from Andrew
>> You know, you've heard it from Andrew Cuomo that the number one crisis in this
Cuomo that the number one crisis in this city, the housing crisis, the answer is
city, the housing crisis, the answer is to evict my wife and I. He thinks you
to evict my wife and I. He thinks you address this crisis by unleashing my
address this crisis by unleashing my landlord's ability to raise my rent. If
landlord's ability to raise my rent. If you think that the problem in this city
you think that the problem in this city is that my rent is too low, vote for
is that my rent is too low, vote for him. If you know the problem in this
him. If you know the problem in this city is that your rent is too high, vote
city is that your rent is too high, vote for me.
for me. >> If
I understand it correctly, sons of millionaires
millionaires law would not evict Mr. Mand.
law would not evict Mr. Mand. >> It would not evict him.
>> It would not evict him. >> It would apply to people applying for
>> It would apply to people applying for the tenant. But the tenants, it would
the tenant. But the tenants, it would affect it would
affect it would >> look at this now. He's backing off of
>> look at this now. He's backing off of the vindictive [ __ ] that he was
the vindictive [ __ ] that he was crowing about a second ago.
crowing about a second ago. >> No one this this income limitation
>> No one this this income limitation for Mrs. Fat in the schoolyard. Let me
for Mrs. Fat in the schoolyard. Let me roar has a specific question for you. I
roar has a specific question for you. I would like to talk about affordability
would like to talk about affordability address that issue.
address that issue. >> So you've proposed Mr. SLA plans that
>> So you've proposed Mr. SLA plans that would made a point of talking about the
would made a point of talking about the struggle of renters and property owners.
struggle of renters and property owners. describe her plan to help renters and
describe her plan to help renters and landlords.
landlords. >> Well, first off, we have 6,000 available
>> Well, first off, we have 6,000 available apartments that a mayor controls in
apartments that a mayor controls in Nicha and they've been empty for years.
Nicha and they've been empty for years. That you address number one. Then we
That you address number one. Then we talk about senior citizens who are
talk about senior citizens who are living here. My whole goal is to improve
living here. My whole goal is to improve and not to move. I'm concerned about the
and not to move. I'm concerned about the seniors, especially those that own
seniors, especially those that own homes. If they're 65 and make less than
homes. If they're 65 and make less than $250,000,
$250,000, no property tax cuz the property tax is
no property tax cuz the property tax is way too high. We need to cut it in half
way too high. We need to cut it in half to keep people who are here. And then in
to keep people who are here. And then in terms of rentals, we have affordable
terms of rentals, we have affordable housing that can be built in these huge
housing that can be built in these huge skyscrapers. You see them all throughout
skyscrapers. You see them all throughout Manhattan and in northern Brooklyn and
Manhattan and in northern Brooklyn and in Long Island City, which we have 25
in Long Island City, which we have 25 Empire State buildings full of
Empire State buildings full of commercial space that will never be
commercial space that will never be occupied for office space. We should be
occupied for office space. We should be converting them into affordable
converting them into affordable apartments. They're in dense areas. The
apartments. They're in dense areas. The infrastructure can support it. I'm the
infrastructure can support it. I'm the only candidate here who's against
only candidate here who's against that would destroy residential
that would destroy residential neighborhood.
neighborhood. >> I have to interrupt you because we have
>> I have to interrupt you because we have a programming moment right now. We're
a programming moment right now. We're about halfway through the mayoral
about halfway through the mayoral debate.
debate. >> Channel 4 and Telmundo 47 will return to
>> Channel 4 and Telmundo 47 will return to regular programming, but we got a lot to
regular programming, but we got a lot to get to. And you can continue watching
get to. And you can continue watching live on NBC New York and Telmundo 47
live on NBC New York and Telmundo 47 streaming and digital platforms. Tlextos
streaming and digital platforms. Tlextos political.
political. >> So far, by the way, this has been
>> So far, by the way, this has been [ __ ] insane. I'm sorry I haven't been
[ __ ] insane. I'm sorry I haven't been talking that much, but honestly, there
talking that much, but honestly, there have not been that many LOLs. This has
have not been that many LOLs. This has just been a well, there have been many
just been a well, there have been many there.
there. Any fellow residents of the internet,
Any fellow residents of the internet, there have been lots of epic lols. Not
there have been lots of epic lols. Not so many lols. Uh, I haven't had much of
so many lols. Uh, I haven't had much of a chance to speak. It's good TV.
a chance to speak. It's good TV. >> Thank you. That was kind of a natural
>> Thank you. That was kind of a natural point for us to transition. And we want
point for us to transition. And we want to talk now about transportation and
to talk now about transportation and getting around town. And we have a few
getting around town. And we have a few quick questions about how you get around
quick questions about how you get around town. Show of hands. Even though they're
town. Show of hands. Even though they're in their waning days, who has a metro
in their waning days, who has a metro card or maybe uses Omnipay?
card or maybe uses Omnipay? >> Uses Omnipay.
>> Uses Omnipay. >> Omnipay. Yeah. Metro card. I mean, I
>> Omnipay. Yeah. Metro card. I mean, I have one, but you know, I know I'm
have one, but you know, I know I'm hanging on to the last.
hanging on to the last. >> So, you're on the subways, Mr. Slewell.
>> So, you're on the subways, Mr. Slewell. What do you use? I'm just curious if you
What do you use? I'm just curious if you don't.
don't. >> Omniard. In fact, I got a whole batch.
>> Omniard. In fact, I got a whole batch. I'm in the subways. I'm in the buses and
I'm in the subways. I'm in the buses and the express buses. The only candidate
the express buses. The only candidate who rides mass transit every day.
who rides mass transit every day. >> When you need to get somewhere fast and
>> When you need to get somewhere fast and you can't take the train, do you hail a
you can't take the train, do you hail a taxi? Do you use ride share? Mr. Sle,
taxi? Do you use ride share? Mr. Sle, what do you do?
what do you do? >> I try to avoid yellow cabs. As you know,
>> I try to avoid yellow cabs. As you know, I was shot in the back of a yellow cab
I was shot in the back of a yellow cab in 1992 by the Gottis and Gambinos. Uh,
in 1992 by the Gottis and Gambinos. Uh, but I find my way around if I have to. I
but I find my way around if I have to. I I Uber if I can't get there by mass
I Uber if I can't get there by mass trans.
trans. >> What do you Mr. Ramdan, if you can't
>> What do you Mr. Ramdan, if you can't take the train, I would either.
take the train, I would either. >> Did I just have a stroke?
>> Did I just have a stroke? fast and you can't take the train. Do
fast and you can't take the train. Do you hail a taxi? Do you use ride share?
you hail a taxi? Do you use ride share? Mr. Leo, what do you do?
Mr. Leo, what do you do? >> I try to avoid yellow cabs. As you know,
>> I try to avoid yellow cabs. As you know, I was shot in the back of a yellow cab
I was shot in the back of a yellow cab in 1992 by the Gotti and Gambinos. Uh,
in 1992 by the Gotti and Gambinos. Uh, but I find my way around. If I have to,
but I find my way around. If I have to, I Uber if I can't get there by mass.
I Uber if I can't get there by mass. >> Can he be kept? Can I feel like he and
>> Can he be kept? Can I feel like he and Eric Adams need to be kept in the New
Eric Adams need to be kept in the New York City administration after Mumani
York City administration after Mumani wins. Like Eric Adams clearly has to be
wins. Like Eric Adams clearly has to be a jester. and this guy like what what do
a jester. and this guy like what what do you think would be a role? Maybe they
you think would be a role? Maybe they could both be No, you can only have one
could both be No, you can only have one jester. They both deserve to be kept
jester. They both deserve to be kept around.
around. >> You Mr. Ramdani, if you can't take the
>> You Mr. Ramdani, if you can't take the train,
train, >> I would either take a cab or ride a
>> I would either take a cab or ride a bike.
bike. >> Mr. Cuomo,
>> Mr. Cuomo, >> uh, I would take a cab, Uber.
>> uh, I would take a cab, Uber. >> Okay. All right. Thanks, Miss Ali.
>> Okay. All right. Thanks, Miss Ali. >> Thank you, David. Uh, let's talk about
>> Thank you, David. Uh, let's talk about free buses. Um, Mr. Mom Donnie, this is
free buses. Um, Mr. Mom Donnie, this is a centerpiece of your campaign. Can you
a centerpiece of your campaign. Can you explain how you will make buses free?
explain how you will make buses free? You have 30 seconds to answer.
You have 30 seconds to answer. >> Absolutely. We will make buses free by
>> Absolutely. We will make buses free by replacing the revenue that the MTA
replacing the revenue that the MTA currently gets from buses. This is
currently gets from buses. This is revenue that's around $700 million or
revenue that's around $700 million or so. That's less money than Andrew Cuomo
so. That's less money than Andrew Cuomo gave to Elon Musk and $959 million in
gave to Elon Musk and $959 million in tax credits when he was the governor.
tax credits when he was the governor. And the reason that we will do so is
And the reason that we will do so is that making buses free doesn't just
that making buses free doesn't just provide economic relief, but also public
provide economic relief, but also public safety. Because what we've seen is that
safety. Because what we've seen is that it decreases assaults on bus drivers by
it decreases assaults on bus drivers by 38.9%.
38.9%. New Yorkers deserve more than the
New Yorkers deserve more than the slowest buses in the country. I know
slowest buses in the country. I know that because I was on the M57 not too
that because I was on the M57 not too long ago and its average speed is 4.9
long ago and its average speed is 4.9 miles.
miles. >> Time though, but the question is how
>> Time though, but the question is how you'll make them free.
you'll make them free. >> We will fund the revenue that would have
>> We will fund the revenue that would have otherwise been brought in from fairs and
otherwise been brought in from fairs and that's something that we would do in
that's something that we would do in partnership with Albany. And I've put
partnership with Albany. And I've put forward two proposals. The first is to
forward two proposals. The first is to raise taxes on the top 1% of New Yorkers
raise taxes on the top 1% of New Yorkers by 2%. That would raise $4 billion. The
by 2%. That would raise $4 billion. The second is to raise the state's top
second is to raise the state's top corporate tax rate to match that of New
corporate tax rate to match that of New Jersey, which would raise $5 billion.
Jersey, which would raise $5 billion. We're going to move along, but I just
We're going to move along, but I just want to point out to viewers that
want to point out to viewers that Governor Hokll has opposed raising the
Governor Hokll has opposed raising the income tax. But Melissa, we'll move on
income tax. But Melissa, we'll move on to your question.
to your question. >> I address that on the buses because hey,
>> I address that on the buses because hey, Hokll just signed off on the idea of um
Hokll just signed off on the idea of um of uh uh uh free
of uh uh uh free child care. There's no way to fund that
child care. There's no way to fund that except with additional taxes.
except with additional taxes. >> People don't pay this their bus fair to
>> People don't pay this their bus fair to begin with. Zorhot and so it's
begin with. Zorhot and so it's >> Zoron Curtis Zoron
>> Zoron Curtis Zoron >> Zor it's a complete disaster if you have
>> Zor it's a complete disaster if you have free bus fair and the Citizens Budget
free bus fair and the Citizens Budget Commission said just last year 2024 a
Commission said just last year 2024 a billion dollars of fair evasion in all
billion dollars of fair evasion in all different forms this MTA system will
different forms this MTA system will collapse there's not enough money out
collapse there's not enough money out there to make up for fair evasion pay
there to make up for fair evasion pay your fair if you don't pay your fair
your fair if you don't pay your fair they have fair fair programs for the
they have fair fair programs for the poor and the indigent but everybody
poor and the indigent but everybody should be forced to pay their fair
should be forced to pay their fair >> Mr. Mr. Cuomo, you had both praise and
>> Mr. Mr. Cuomo, you had both praise and some criticism for Mr. Mandani's free
some criticism for Mr. Mandani's free bus pilots. You're sort of in the middle
bus pilots. You're sort of in the middle on this issue. What's your plan to make
on this issue. What's your plan to make subways and buses more affordable?
subways and buses more affordable? >> I think I think free buses is a mistake.
>> I think I think free buses is a mistake. Of course, about $700 million, just to
Of course, about $700 million, just to give you an idea that we only raise
give you an idea that we only raise about 500 from congestion pricing. It's
about 500 from congestion pricing. It's been done before in other cities. It was
been done before in other cities. It was a disaster. They stopped. They basically
a disaster. They stopped. They basically became mobile homeless
became mobile homeless uh uh gathering places. It's like the
uh uh gathering places. It's like the [ __ ] news
[ __ ] news >> for working families who can't afford it
>> for working families who can't afford it and free subways for working families,
and free subways for working families, but don't subsidize rich people uh on a
but don't subsidize rich people uh on a bus. Uh and uh it's been tried and it's
bus. Uh and uh it's been tried and it's failed.
failed. >> Mr. Mandani, can you just respond
>> Mr. Mandani, can you just respond quickly on the point about the uh mobile
quickly on the point about the uh mobile homeless gathering places?
homeless gathering places? >> You know, this is something that we
>> You know, this is something that we heard when we were fighting to make
heard when we were fighting to make buses free in Albany when we delivered
buses free in Albany when we delivered the first fair free bus lines in New
the first fair free bus lines in New York City history. And what we saw is
York City history. And what we saw is when we made one bus route free in each
when we made one bus route free in each burrow of New York City, there was no
burrow of New York City, there was no increase in homelessness on those buses.
increase in homelessness on those buses. There was no increase in fair evasion in
There was no increase in fair evasion in the surrounding area. What there was was
the surrounding area. What there was was an increase in ridership of up to 38.
an increase in ridership of up to 38. Mr.
Mr. >> Candidates, maybe we can dig deeper on
>> Candidates, maybe we can dig deeper on this and get a sense of how all of you
this and get a sense of how all of you would pay for your big ideas. Mr.
would pay for your big ideas. Mr. Romani, we'll start with you. We've
Romani, we'll start with you. We've obviously been talking about the only
obviously been talking about the only one with big ideas, free child care,
one with big ideas, free child care, cityrun grocery stores. So essentially,
cityrun grocery stores. So essentially, you're proposing about$10 billion in new
you're proposing about$10 billion in new spending. And as you've indicated, you
spending. And as you've indicated, you want to pay for it with tax increases,
want to pay for it with tax increases, but as Sally pointed out, Governor Hokll
but as Sally pointed out, Governor Hokll said no to raising income tax on
said no to raising income tax on millionaires. So tell New Yorkers
millionaires. So tell New Yorkers tonight how you're going to pay for all
tonight how you're going to pay for all of this in one minute if you can.
of this in one minute if you can. >> Look, a lot of people have called even
>> Look, a lot of people have called even my campaign a non-starter when we first
my campaign a non-starter when we first began. And now I stand before you proud
began. And now I stand before you proud to be the Democratic nominee who got the
to be the Democratic nominee who got the most votes in city primary history. And
most votes in city primary history. And I believe we will see the same thing
I believe we will see the same thing with our push to ensure that we are
with our push to ensure that we are taxing the wealthiest and the most
taxing the wealthiest and the most profitable corporations the fair amount
profitable corporations the fair amount that they should pay. Now, there are
that they should pay. Now, there are those who will say that because it will
those who will say that because it will be hard, you should give up. We saw what
be hard, you should give up. We saw what giving up looked like when Andrew Cuomo
giving up looked like when Andrew Cuomo was the governor. He gave up on fighting
was the governor. He gave up on fighting for working-class New Yorkers and
for working-class New Yorkers and instead caved in to his billionaire
instead caved in to his billionaire donors. And what did we get? We have the
donors. And what did we get? We have the fastest and most frequent helicopter
fastest and most frequent helicopter service to the Hamptons and we have the
service to the Hamptons and we have the slowest and more expensive bus service
slowest and more expensive bus service across the five burrows.
across the five burrows. But again, Mr. Ramdan, I know Governor
But again, Mr. Ramdan, I know Governor Hokll indicated this week there may be
Hokll indicated this week there may be some some open windows, but more or less
some some open windows, but more or less income tax on millionaires is off the
income tax on millionaires is off the table according to the governor.
table according to the governor. >> Look, I've said very clearly, making
>> Look, I've said very clearly, making buses fast and free costs about $700
buses fast and free costs about $700 million a year. Making universal child
million a year. Making universal child care a reality costs about5 or 6 billion
care a reality costs about5 or 6 billion a year. If you raise the state's top
a year. If you raise the state's top corporate tax rate to match that of New
corporate tax rate to match that of New Jersey, you'd be raising five billion in
Jersey, you'd be raising five billion in of itself.
of itself. >> I have I have a couple, you're next, but
>> I have I have a couple, you're next, but I have a couple followup.
I have a couple followup. >> I would just want add one additional
>> I would just want add one additional thing. We have also put forward a plan
thing. We have also put forward a plan to save money here in New York City with
to save money here in New York City with a billion.
a billion. >> He's so confident. This is the fourth
>> He's so confident. This is the fourth time to my account that he has continued
time to my account that he has continued over time and that he's been allowed to
over time and that he's been allowed to >> dollars in savings through procurement
>> dollars in savings through procurement reform through following the independent
reform through following the independent budget offic's assessment about hiring
budget offic's assessment about hiring more fiscal auditors and in actually
more fiscal auditors and in actually collecting the fines and fees from bad
collecting the fines and fees from bad landlords across the
landlords across the >> Just a quick couple of follow-ups. If
>> Just a quick couple of follow-ups. If you could find some of the funding but
you could find some of the funding but not all of it, which of your priorities
not all of it, which of your priorities would come first? would be the first
would come first? would be the first among equals that you would try to get
among equals that you would try to get done.
done. >> Well, freezing the rent doesn't require
>> Well, freezing the rent doesn't require any fiscal infusion. So, that will be
any fiscal infusion. So, that will be something we'll be pursuing immediately.
something we'll be pursuing immediately. And universal child care after housing
And universal child care after housing is the second cost. Child care is the
is the second cost. Child care is the second cost pushing New Yorkers out of
second cost pushing New Yorkers out of this city. $22.5,000 a year is the
this city. $22.5,000 a year is the estimate we've seen. That will be a
estimate we've seen. That will be a priority for us.
priority for us. >> And I just want to know if uh you could
>> And I just want to know if uh you could get the money and funding elsewhere,
get the money and funding elsewhere, would you drop the call for the tax
would you drop the call for the tax increase?
increase? >> Absolutely. The most important thing is
>> Absolutely. The most important thing is funding these agenda items. I think
funding these agenda items. I think these are the two most important and
these are the two most important and straightforward direct ways to do so.
straightforward direct ways to do so. But if the money comes from elsewhere,
But if the money comes from elsewhere, the most important thing is
the most important thing is >> Let's ask a question for Mr. Leeway.
>> Let's ask a question for Mr. Leeway. >> Mr. Slewell, you've been talking about
>> Mr. Slewell, you've been talking about cutting taxes and spending. So, what is
cutting taxes and spending. So, what is your plan and how would you pay for your
your plan and how would you pay for your programs like 7,000 more cops?
programs like 7,000 more cops? >> Well, Zoron, uh, boy, your fantasies
>> Well, Zoron, uh, boy, your fantasies are never going to come about in terms
are never going to come about in terms of funding everything you want that's
of funding everything you want that's going to be free, free, free. It's a
going to be free, free, free. It's a fantasy. Let's deal with the reality.
fantasy. Let's deal with the reality. 7,000 cops. You already have a plan in
7,000 cops. You already have a plan in Boston where you pay for taxes in the
Boston where you pay for taxes in the future. This is a great plan in which
future. This is a great plan in which universities and others who have bought
universities and others who have bought up properties uh that are now taken from
up properties uh that are now taken from the real estate market and taken from
the real estate market and taken from property tax pay. We could raise a
property tax pay. We could raise a billion dollars from Columbia
billion dollars from Columbia University, NYU that are in the real
University, NYU that are in the real estate business and Madison Square
estate business and Madison Square Garden, your friends, Andrew Cuomo,
Garden, your friends, Andrew Cuomo, Jimmy Dolan, who pays no property taxes.
Jimmy Dolan, who pays no property taxes. That's how you raise a billion dollars
That's how you raise a billion dollars to get 700 police officers trained,
to get 700 police officers trained, vetted, and out into the streets in the
vetted, and out into the streets in the five burrows. And then the police will
five burrows. And then the police will be on the subways and they will be
be on the subways and they will be patrolling the oldfashioned way where
patrolling the oldfashioned way where they're needed going up and down the
they're needed going up and down the moving subway cars where people want to
moving subway cars where people want to see the visual protection especially
see the visual protection especially women.
women. >> People [ __ ] love that [ __ ] man.
>> People [ __ ] love that [ __ ] man. That's true.
That's true. >> Being assaulted, perved, and like we saw
>> Being assaulted, perved, and like we saw this morning on 86 Street, a woman with
this morning on 86 Street, a woman with a gun to her head, an armed robbery
a gun to her head, an armed robbery because we don't have enough cops. I
because we don't have enough cops. I have a question for you in this topic
have a question for you in this topic and let's talk about history because as
and let's talk about history because as governor you raised and cut taxes. Now
governor you raised and cut taxes. Now you're proposing some tax relief. What's
you're proposing some tax relief. What's the price tag for your proposals and
the price tag for your proposals and where will you get the money for, for
where will you get the money for, for example, 5,000 new police officers? You
example, 5,000 new police officers? You have a minute to answer.
have a minute to answer. >> Yeah. Uh I think Sally's question was
>> Yeah. Uh I think Sally's question was very well taken. Uh the assemblyman's
very well taken. Uh the assemblyman's whole plan is based on a myth. Uh he's
whole plan is based on a myth. Uh he's going to raise taxes. Albany is going to
going to raise taxes. Albany is going to raise taxes statewide on corporations,
raise taxes statewide on corporations, but the money is only going to go to New
but the money is only going to go to New York City. That could never happen. It's
York City. That could never happen. It's not just that the governor wouldn't
not just that the governor wouldn't support it. It's
support it. It's >> hate. He said he's going to raise the
>> hate. He said he's going to raise the taxes the same as New Jersey corporate
taxes the same as New Jersey corporate tax. No, it would be double the tax. You
tax. No, it would be double the tax. You would see New Yorkers on 995 fleeing to
would see New Yorkers on 995 fleeing to Florida. We would be alone. Uh, so
Florida. We would be alone. Uh, so >> such an insane thing to say as as a
>> such an insane thing to say as as a potential mayor to to to potentially run
potential mayor to to to potentially run New York City, the capital city of the
New York City, the capital city of the world, and to be like, yeah, a tiny
world, and to be like, yeah, a tiny marginal increase in our tax rate, which
marginal increase in our tax rate, which wouldn't even come close to me matching
wouldn't even come close to me matching like European cities, our
like European cities, our contemporaries, everyone would flee to a
contemporaries, everyone would flee to a [ __ ] hole [ __ ] hurricane state. Like,
[ __ ] hole [ __ ] hurricane state. Like, it's just it's just such an insulting
it's just it's just such an insulting thing. And so many of these
thing. And so many of these conservatives are the same way. They
conservatives are the same way. They have no love for their country, no love
have no love for their country, no love for their city. This is I'm I'm often
for their city. This is I'm I'm often accused of not being patriotic, which is
accused of not being patriotic, which is true, but like I go outside and I
true, but like I go outside and I breathe that fresh American air and I
breathe that fresh American air and I look at that beautiful blue American sky
look at that beautiful blue American sky and I love that and I love it. The city
and I love that and I love it. The city that I live in and I love the the the
that I live in and I love the the the buses that I take and the roads that I
buses that I take and the roads that I drive on and the start the sidewalks
drive on and the start the sidewalks that I walk on. These people hate
that I walk on. These people hate all of it. They only care
all of it. They only care about their their their connections, you
about their their their connections, you know, their loyalists, the people who
know, their loyalists, the people who who fund them and and maybe the votes if
who fund them and and maybe the votes if not the people who vote for them. You
not the people who vote for them. You know, they hate this [ __ ] There is no
know, they hate this [ __ ] There is no genuine love. That's I mean, listen,
genuine love. That's I mean, listen, credit where credit's due. SWAD does
credit where credit's due. SWAD does love New York City. He actually does.
love New York City. He actually does. It's one of the reasons he's so
It's one of the reasons he's so different from other conservatives. he
different from other conservatives. he doesn't have the same thieving contempt
doesn't have the same thieving contempt um for the place that he wants to
um for the place that he wants to represent, you know, but Cuomo is just
represent, you know, but Cuomo is just like that.
like that. >> Be realistic with revenue. You have $115
>> Be realistic with revenue. You have $115 billion budget. You have to go through
billion budget. You have to go through that city budget and find savings. I
that city budget and find savings. I started the state. It had which is
started the state. It had which is double the budget of the city at a$10
double the budget of the city at a$10 billion deficit. I closed it and added
billion deficit. I closed it and added services. And we can do the same with
services. And we can do the same with New York City. Governor, as mayor, you
New York City. Governor, as mayor, you would not increase spending in the New
would not increase spending in the New York City budget. Yes or no?
York City budget. Yes or no? >> There would be whatever additional
>> There would be whatever additional spending would be revenue neutral.
spending would be revenue neutral. >> So,
>> So, >> is it possible? You got to cut You got
>> is it possible? You got to cut You got to cut taxes for people to stay here.
to cut taxes for people to stay here. >> Corporations are not going to stay here.
>> Corporations are not going to stay here. They're being lured south, the cities
They're being lured south, the cities that are more corporate friendly. You
that are more corporate friendly. You got to cut the property tax income tax
got to cut the property tax income tax for those who are 19 to 28 skill levels
for those who are 19 to 28 skill levels if they go to school here.
if they go to school here. >> Thank you, Mr. Andrew Cuomo thinks it's
>> Thank you, Mr. Andrew Cuomo thinks it's all right to spend $60 million to fund
all right to spend $60 million to fund his legal defense from accusations of
his legal defense from accusations of more than a dozen women of sexual
more than a dozen women of sexual harassment. But if I say we should spend
harassment. But if I say we should spend the same amount of money on delivering
the same amount of money on delivering cheaper groceries in this city through a
cheaper groceries in this city through a pilot program, that is unfathomable.
pilot program, that is unfathomable. >> Quick, David, I got a right to respond
>> Quick, David, I got a right to respond to that quickly.
to that quickly. >> First, uh I did not bring those
>> First, uh I did not bring those brought by the attorney general, which I
brought by the attorney general, which I said was political. That's what
said was political. That's what generated by individual women and some
generated by individual women and some of them have still been making their way
of them have still been making their way through the courts this year and
through the courts this year and >> yes and have been dropped from the
>> yes and have been dropped from the cases.
cases. >> Not all of them.
>> Not all of them. >> Yeah. And the what the assembly says all
>> Yeah. And the what the assembly says all this money that he wants to pass. Uh the
this money that he wants to pass. Uh the one thing he did do is he voted for a
one thing he did do is he voted for a pay raise for himself. They're the
pay raise for himself. They're the highest paid legislators.
highest paid legislators. I did I did ask the state office this
I did I did ask the state office this week. I did ask the state controllers's
week. I did ask the state controllers's office this week. The total was above 60
office this week. The total was above 60 million, but just those sexual
million, but just those sexual harassment cases to defend Governor
harassment cases to defend Governor Cuomo and his staff was about 21.
Cuomo and his staff was about 21. >> Sorry, was the sexual harassment analy
>> Sorry, was the sexual harassment analy want to clarify because you said 60, but
want to clarify because you said 60, but on those cases it was 21.
on those cases it was 21. >> Thank you. We have to talk about quality
>> Thank you. We have to talk about quality of life in the city. Let's turn to
of life in the city. Let's turn to everyday life in the city and some
everyday life in the city and some issues a mayor can directly impact. We
issues a mayor can directly impact. We start with a couple of questions about
start with a couple of questions about 311, the number New Yorkers call or text
311, the number New Yorkers call or text for non-emergency help.
for non-emergency help. First off, have you ever called 311? And
First off, have you ever called 311? And if so, for what? Mr. Mumdonni,
if so, for what? Mr. Mumdonni, >> I called 311 uh for issues with my
>> I called 311 uh for issues with my heating in my apartment, and I've spoken
heating in my apartment, and I've spoken to New Yorkers time and time again who
to New Yorkers time and time again who are frustrated by the fact that they can
are frustrated by the fact that they can track their Uber Eats block by block,
track their Uber Eats block by block, but when they call 311 for them to come
but when they call 311 for them to come to their apartment, it's just a question
to their apartment, it's just a question of hoping and praying that they do.
of hoping and praying that they do. There's no actual appointment. That's
There's no actual appointment. That's something that we would change.
something that we would change. >> All right, Mr. SWA, have you ever called
>> All right, Mr. SWA, have you ever called 311?
311? >> You know, there used to be that song 911
>> You know, there used to be that song 911 is a joke by Public Enemy. 311 is a
is a joke by Public Enemy. 311 is a joke. You can call it over and over and
joke. You can call it over and over and over again and you never get the
over again and you never get the analytics are when the operators talk to
analytics are when the operators talk to you as I talk to them.
you as I talk to them. >> Have you called?
>> Have you called? >> Yes, I've called them many times and got
>> Yes, I've called them many times and got no response. Most citizens I talked to
no response. Most citizens I talked to on the subways and streets never get
on the subways and streets never get good responses answer. Mr.
good responses answer. Mr. >> Cuomo, I've heard a lot of complaints
>> Cuomo, I've heard a lot of complaints about 311. So, I actually made a call to
about 311. So, I actually made a call to 311 myself to see if
311 myself to see if >> Oh, that's [ __ ] relatable. Thanks.
>> Oh, that's [ __ ] relatable. Thanks. Really? Really? beyond the level with
Really? Really? beyond the level with these two. Why would you admit that
these two. Why would you admit that you'd only like the peasant rabble
you'd only like the peasant rabble informed me there might be a problem
informed me there might be a problem with this
with this >> complaints were bonafidey
>> complaints were bonafidey uh and uh I was uh dropped twice uh then
uh and uh I was uh dropped twice uh then they were going to send someone to uh
they were going to send someone to uh find help a homeless woman in distress
find help a homeless woman in distress uh and no one showed up.
uh and no one showed up. >> You're all expressing frustration. Last
>> You're all expressing frustration. Last year, 311 received 38 million contacts
year, 311 received 38 million contacts from New Yorkers from calls to the
from New Yorkers from calls to the website. Wanted to know if you had a
website. Wanted to know if you had a sense across five burrows what the top
sense across five burrows what the top two categories of complaints were. What
two categories of complaints were. What do you think they were, Mr. Lewa?
do you think they were, Mr. Lewa? >> Uh potholes constantly potholes,
parked everywhere, garbage that's uh not picked up and collected. In the city,
picked up and collected. In the city, we've seen trash cans taken away by the
we've seen trash cans taken away by the sanitation department, Jessica Tish,
sanitation department, Jessica Tish, when she was the commissioner. The
when she was the commissioner. The quality of life has diminished
quality of life has diminished noticeably. So naturally people are
noticeably. So naturally people are going to revert to 311 but it's
going to revert to 311 but it's important that a mayor be able to
important that a mayor be able to provide services to all the people and
provide services to all the people and they believe if quality of life is
they believe if quality of life is diminished the next stop is sell your
diminished the next stop is sell your house and leave the city and my goal is
house and leave the city and my goal is to improve and not move.
to improve and not move. >> Miss Mr. Mumdani your turn. What we've
>> Miss Mr. Mumdani your turn. What we've seen is one of the biggest sources of
seen is one of the biggest sources of noise in this city is from congestion.
noise in this city is from congestion. And with the implementation of
And with the implementation of congestion pricing, we've actually seen
congestion pricing, we've actually seen noise complaints drop in the congestion
noise complaints drop in the congestion zone. And so I would continue to find
zone. And so I would continue to find ways to ensure that we have reduced
ways to ensure that we have reduced congestion across the city. And one of
congestion across the city. And one of the ways is by making the slowest buses
the ways is by making the slowest buses in America ones that are fast and free
in America ones that are fast and free so that New Yorkers can not only live a
so that New Yorkers can not only live a life of excellent quality of life, but
life of excellent quality of life, but also be able to get around this city
also be able to get around this city without having to worry if they have
without having to worry if they have $2.90 or soon to be $3 in their pocket,
$2.90 or soon to be $3 in their pocket, which is already out of reach for one in
which is already out of reach for one in five New Yorkers.
five New Yorkers. >> We have here the author of congestion
>> We have here the author of congestion pricing and we have the apprentice of
pricing and we have the apprentice of congestion pricing.
congestion pricing. >> Aren't congestion price very unpopular?
>> Aren't congestion price very unpopular? Well, my understanding is that for the
Well, my understanding is that for the most part, people in New York City are
most part, people in New York City are very happy with it. And if anyone online
very happy with it. And if anyone online disagrees with you, they're New
disagrees with you, they're New Jerseyites and should be ignored or
Jerseyites and should be ignored or hated.
hated. >> Candidate who's opposed to congestion
>> Candidate who's opposed to congestion pricing. It is led to storefronts
pricing. It is led to storefronts closing because they don't have enough
closing because they don't have enough food.
food. >> Let's move on. Otherwise, we might have
>> Let's move on. Otherwise, we might have to place a call to 311 about candidates
to place a call to 311 about candidates going over there all at a time. Okay.
going over there all at a time. Okay. So, we're going to move on to
So, we're going to move on to illegal parking in many neighborhoods.
illegal parking in many neighborhoods. Recently, council member Lincoln
Recently, council member Lincoln Wrestler released a study that found 450
Wrestler released a study that found 450 vehicles parked illegally during the day
vehicles parked illegally during the day in downtown Brooklyn. Many
in downtown Brooklyn. Many >> We should talk about Cuomo's limos uh
>> We should talk about Cuomo's limos uh tickets,
tickets, >> fake or government placards. That's just
>> fake or government placards. That's just one snapshot of the city, but you hear
one snapshot of the city, but you hear similar complaints everywhere. So, how
similar complaints everywhere. So, how would you fix this specific situation?
would you fix this specific situation? You'll have 30 seconds. Mr. Sle will
You'll have 30 seconds. Mr. Sle will begin with you. Well, obviously placards
begin with you. Well, obviously placards have been abused consistently. You have
have been abused consistently. You have people who have created fake placards.
people who have created fake placards. Not Not only that, you have people with
Not Not only that, you have people with fake license plates, paper plates. This
fake license plates, paper plates. This all violations against the Department of
all violations against the Department of Transportation rules and regulations of
Transportation rules and regulations of where you can park a vehicle. There's
where you can park a vehicle. There's just no enforcement. And that's because
just no enforcement. And that's because we don't have police. We have these
we don't have police. We have these ebikes going up and down. We have the
ebikes going up and down. We have the motorbikes. They're not following rules
motorbikes. They're not following rules and regulations. They should be
and regulations. They should be licensed. They should have a a a way of
licensed. They should have a a a way of being identified. This way enforcement
being identified. This way enforcement because people are terrified walking out
because people are terrified walking out into the streets.
into the streets. >> Mr. Mom, Donnie, your plan for illegal
>> Mr. Mom, Donnie, your plan for illegal parking.
parking. >> We have to showcase that accountability
>> We have to showcase that accountability is true whether for New Yorkers who are
is true whether for New Yorkers who are just living in this city or those who
just living in this city or those who are working for this city and the
are working for this city and the violation of traffic laws are violations
violation of traffic laws are violations no matter who is doing it and to show
no matter who is doing it and to show that that accountability is something my
that that accountability is something my city government's actually going to
city government's actually going to pursue.
pursue. >> Okay. Mr. Cuomo,
>> Okay. Mr. Cuomo, >> uh, on the quality of life, you're
>> uh, on the quality of life, you're right, is very, very important. Uh on
right, is very, very important. Uh on the on the placards, I would make it
the on the placards, I would make it simple. I would recall all the city
simple. I would recall all the city placards and reissue only those that are
placards and reissue only those that are bonafidey period on day one. Uh on the
bonafidey period on day one. Uh on the quality of life issues, the worst thing
quality of life issues, the worst thing that could happen is if the
that could happen is if the assemblyman's proposal for legalizing
assemblyman's proposal for legalizing prostitution went through, that would be
prostitution went through, that would be terrible for the quality
terrible for the quality what
what what what
what what quality of life. He also doesn't want to
quality of life. He also doesn't want to enforce misdemeanors. That's assault,
enforce misdemeanors. That's assault, lararseny, etc. That would be time to
lararseny, etc. That would be time to address that. I want to be very clear.
address that. I want to be very clear. Not only have I never called for the
Not only have I never called for the legalization of prostitution. I'm not
legalization of prostitution. I'm not calling for that today either, and I
calling for that today either, and I also have never said anything about not
also have never said anything about not enforcing misdemeanor. This is just yet
enforcing misdemeanor. This is just yet another figment of Andrew Cuomo's
another figment of Andrew Cuomo's imagination.
imagination. >> The DSA, which you give your part of
>> The DSA, which you give your part of your salary to, that's their position.
your salary to, that's their position. Abolish jails, no new carceral
Abolish jails, no new carceral facilities, don't enforce misdemeanors,
facilities, don't enforce misdemeanors, and you're on.
and you're on. What?
What? The bill in Albany as a sponsor to
The bill in Albany as a sponsor to decriminalize prostitution. The
decriminalize prostitution. The difference between myself and Andrew
difference between myself and Andrew Cuomo, of which there are many, is that
Cuomo, of which there are many, is that there is no one that is actually telling
there is no one that is actually telling me what to do other than the 8 and a
me what to do other than the 8 and a half million people who call this city
half million people who call this city home. If you want my policies, you'll
home. If you want my policies, you'll find them on my website.
find them on my website. >> Who told you to legalize prostitution?
>> Who told you to legalize prostitution? Okay, wait. We actually have you can't
Okay, wait. We actually have you can't escape this. You signed the law doing
escape this. You signed the law doing away with loitering for prostitution.
away with loitering for prostitution. That was the law put forward by just
That was the law put forward by just gentlemen started the prostitution.
Mr. Washington Heights in Flushing Mr. We have
We have >> and you want to add to it
>> and you want to add to it is the quality of life.
is the quality of life. >> Mr. Slew, when I talk over you, nobody's
>> Mr. Slew, when I talk over you, nobody's hearing you. And we actually have a
hearing you. And we actually have a question on that. So, we'll let Rosarina
question on that. So, we'll let Rosarina ask. And for this question candidates,
ask. And for this question candidates, we want to come to Queens where we know
we want to come to Queens where we know that prostitution has been an ongoing
that prostitution has been an ongoing complaint. Mayor Adams forced form a
complaint. Mayor Adams forced form a task force and order sweeps by the NYPD,
task force and order sweeps by the NYPD, but the situation continues, especially
but the situation continues, especially around the very popular Roseville
around the very popular Roseville Avenue. As mayor, Mr. Mandani, how would
Avenue. As mayor, Mr. Mandani, how would you handle this situation? You have 30
you handle this situation? You have 30 seconds.
seconds. >> I want to first be clear that I am not
>> I want to first be clear that I am not and nor have I ever called for the
and nor have I ever called for the legalization of prostitution. And if you
legalization of prostitution. And if you are happy with what's happening on
are happy with what's happening on Roosevelt Avenue, then you should vote
Roosevelt Avenue, then you should vote for Andrew Cuomo because his policy is
for Andrew Cuomo because his policy is to continue the exact same ones we've
to continue the exact same ones we've seen under Eric Adams. My policy is to
seen under Eric Adams. My policy is to actually take on sex trafficking, to
actually take on sex trafficking, to have a zero tolerance for violence
have a zero tolerance for violence against women, and to follow the advice
against women, and to follow the advice of district attorneys that we have here
of district attorneys that we have here in New York City. The current Manhattan
in New York City. The current Manhattan DA, the former Manhattan DA, the current
DA, the former Manhattan DA, the current Brooklyn DA, the former Manhattan DA
Brooklyn DA, the former Manhattan DA having said that prosecuting
having said that prosecuting >> He's going to get attacked by the
>> He's going to get attacked by the lefties online for this. It's so [ __ ]
lefties online for this. It's so [ __ ] over. women for prostitution is
over. women for prostitution is something that actually leads to less
something that actually leads to less safety and what we need to do is provide
safety and what we need to do is provide an economy. Just a quick just a quick
an economy. Just a quick just a quick clarification. So, no legalization. How
clarification. So, no legalization. How about um decriminalization?
about um decriminalization? >> I do not think that we should be
>> I do not think that we should be prosecuting women who are struggling,
prosecuting women who are struggling, who are currently being thrown in jail
who are currently being thrown in jail and then being offered job
and then being offered job opportunities. I think we should be
opportunities. I think we should be actually providing those kinds of
actually providing those kinds of opportunities at the first point of
opportunities at the first point of interaction.
interaction. >> Mr. Cuomo, yeah, your turn. Uh he look,
>> Mr. Cuomo, yeah, your turn. Uh he look, Bill Delasio, the assemblyman is a mini
Bill Delasio, the assemblyman is a mini me BDB, okay? He's Bill Delasio light.
me BDB, okay? He's Bill Delasio light. Uh he exposed legalizing prostitution.
Uh he exposed legalizing prostitution. He didn't get it and he just told the
He didn't get it and he just told the cops, "Don't arrest any more
cops, "Don't arrest any more prostitutes." There is a bill in Albany
prostitutes." There is a bill in Albany that he signed that says
that he signed that says >> the prostitution
>> the prostitution that a woman who is a prostitute that
that a woman who is a prostitute that would be decriminalized.
would be decriminalized. That is what the bill says and that's
That is what the bill says and that's what he said if you listen very
what he said if you listen very carefully that would take Roosevelt
carefully that would take Roosevelt Avenue and explode it because it would
Avenue and explode it because it would make it legal for prostitutes.
make it legal for prostitutes. >> Real quick, how would you handle this
>> Real quick, how would you handle this situation?
situation? >> You have to enforce the law. It's
>> You have to enforce the law. It's illegal. I went to Roosevelt Avenue. I
illegal. I went to Roosevelt Avenue. I talked to the store owners. I talked to
talked to the store owners. I talked to the neighbors. I walked down Roosevelt
the neighbors. I walked down Roosevelt Avenue with prostitutes there at 9:00 in
Avenue with prostitutes there at 9:00 in the morning.
the morning. >> Your turn, Mrs. Sew. I've dealt with
>> Your turn, Mrs. Sew. I've dealt with this uh back in the 80s and 90s in
this uh back in the 80s and 90s in Hell's Kitchen in Chelsea when they were
Hell's Kitchen in Chelsea when they were overrun with open air prostitution and
overrun with open air prostitution and Times Square. You don't go after the
Times Square. You don't go after the women. The women are the victims here.
women. The women are the victims here. You lock up the John's, you shame the
You lock up the John's, you shame the John's. You let everybody know about the
John's. You let everybody know about the John's. The madams and the pimps need to
John's. The madams and the pimps need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the
be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. And these absentee landlords who
law. And these absentee landlords who knowingly rent their rooms, their
knowingly rent their rooms, their apartments out for the use of
apartments out for the use of prostitution, the department of building
prostitution, the department of building should come in, padlock the building,
should come in, padlock the building, seize the building cuz many of these
seize the building cuz many of these landlords live in Delray, Florida. They
landlords live in Delray, Florida. They did back in the 80s and 90s when we did
did back in the 80s and 90s when we did it in Chelsea and Time Square and Hell's
it in Chelsea and Time Square and Hell's Kitchen and they're doing it again and
Kitchen and they're doing it again and no enforcement. That's why the
no enforcement. That's why the prosecution for
prosecution for >> We're going to go to Sally now.
>> We're going to go to Sally now. >> Thank you, David. We're going to talk a
>> Thank you, David. We're going to talk a bit about experience and beliefs. We've
bit about experience and beliefs. We've covered a lot of ground tonight, but we
covered a lot of ground tonight, but we want to probe a bit deeper into each of
want to probe a bit deeper into each of your mindsets and how you'll approach
your mindsets and how you'll approach governing as mayor. Mr. Cuomo, you have
governing as mayor. Mr. Cuomo, you have touted your experience on the campaign
touted your experience on the campaign trail time and again, but
trail time and again, but >> are you pro anti-prostitution? I if you
>> are you pro anti-prostitution? I if you could start if you could build
could start if you could build everything up from the ground um and you
everything up from the ground um and you had the right laws and the right system,
had the right laws and the right system, then yes, uh there's no reason
then yes, uh there's no reason prostitution should be illegal. uh like
prostitution should be illegal. uh like any argument you could make against the
any argument you could make against the legality of prostitution could apply to
legality of prostitution could apply to a bunch of other jobs that we have. Um
a bunch of other jobs that we have. Um but in the world that we live in today,
but in the world that we live in today, the logistical difficulties of snapping
the logistical difficulties of snapping your fingers and making that happen
your fingers and making that happen would be like incredibly difficult. So I
would be like incredibly difficult. So I think that it's a good thing to keep
think that it's a good thing to keep your eyes towards in the long run. Um
your eyes towards in the long run. Um and in the meantime, the best that you
and in the meantime, the best that you can really do is try to like protect
can really do is try to like protect people who are involved in the system.
people who are involved in the system. That's my That's my uh I I guess hope.
That's my That's my uh I I guess hope. You know,
You know, >> you pretty squarely lost the Democratic
>> you pretty squarely lost the Democratic primary to Mr. Mumdani, forcing you, a
primary to Mr. Mumdani, forcing you, a lifelong Democrat, to run as an
lifelong Democrat, to run as an independent. When you announced that
independent. When you announced that decision, you said, quote, "When you get
decision, you said, quote, "When you get knocked down, learn the lesson and pick
knocked down, learn the lesson and pick yourself back up." What lesson did you
yourself back up." What lesson did you learn and what do you feel it said about
learn and what do you feel it said about you? Something you did wrong, something
you? Something you did wrong, something that you need to change about yourself?
that you need to change about yourself? Yeah, I think uh in the primary campaign
Yeah, I think uh in the primary campaign I did not do enough on social media uh
I did not do enough on social media uh which is a very effective medium now.
which is a very effective medium now. I think the assemblymen did do a better
I think the assemblymen did do a better job on Tik Tok and social media than I
job on Tik Tok and social media than I did during the campaign. Uh and that is
did during the campaign. Uh and that is uh changed now. Um I've also uh
uh changed now. Um I've also uh increased my activity significantly. Uh
increased my activity significantly. Uh but my my agenda is exactly the same. I
but my my agenda is exactly the same. I I am the Democrat, although I'm not on
I am the Democrat, although I'm not on the Democratic line. Uh he is a
the Democratic line. Uh he is a Democratic socialist called Barack Obama
Democratic socialist called Barack Obama evil and a liar. Didn't vote for Kla
evil and a liar. Didn't vote for Kla Harris.
Harris. >> Fight and deliver is I will fight for
>> Fight and deliver is I will fight for people. I will fight the bureaucracy and
people. I will fight the bureaucracy and I will deliver results. New Yorkers need
I will deliver results. New Yorkers need the mayor to get something done. This is
the mayor to get something done. This is all words and theories. I am a manager
all words and theories. I am a manager who can actually question about
who can actually question about self-reflection. is the thing you're
self-reflection. is the thing you're reflecting on the most that you need to
reflecting on the most that you need to be on social media more. Was there any
be on social media more. Was there any other deeper lesson that you
other deeper lesson that you >> between the two campaigns? Uh social
>> between the two campaigns? Uh social media uh more accessibility.
media uh more accessibility. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> I just have to say it's been an hour and
>> I just have to say it's been an hour and 20 minutes of this debate and we haven't
20 minutes of this debate and we haven't heard Governor Cuomo say the word
heard Governor Cuomo say the word affordability. That's why he lost the
affordability. That's why he lost the primary. That's why he'll lose the
primary. That's why he'll lose the general election. And you can lie all
general election. And you can lie all you want, but the truth is I voted for
you want, but the truth is I voted for Kla Harris. I'm the only candidate on
Kla Harris. I'm the only candidate on this stage to have the endorsement of
this stage to have the endorsement of Kla Harris. And I'm not the one who's
Kla Harris. And I'm not the one who's funded by Bill Aman who called Kla
funded by Bill Aman who called Kla Harris unqualified to be the vice
Harris unqualified to be the vice president of this country.
president of this country. >> Okay. Mar,
>> Okay. Mar, >> there are a lot of New Yorkers who who
>> there are a lot of New Yorkers who who support me.
support me. >> Uh and there are a lot of Jewish New
>> Uh and there are a lot of Jewish New Yorkers who support me.
Yorkers who support me. >> Going back think you're anti-Semitic.
>> Going back think you're anti-Semitic. >> Uh so it's not about Trump or
>> Uh so it's not about Trump or Republican. It's about you.
Republican. It's about you. >> Uh you do you think he's anti-Semitic,
>> Uh you do you think he's anti-Semitic, Mr.
Mr. >> I don't make those judgments about
>> I don't make those judgments about >> [ __ ] You [ __ ] [ __ ] You Oh my god.
>> [ __ ] You [ __ ] [ __ ] You Oh my god. They all know of. We know that they know
They all know of. We know that they know that they're lying. Like Cuomo doesn't
that they're lying. Like Cuomo doesn't actually think he's anti-Semitic. They
actually think he's anti-Semitic. They know it's just a political smear. But
know it's just a political smear. But even though he's been lying up here in
even though he's been lying up here in the debate stage all this time, he still
the debate stage all this time, he still won't commit to it. He still won't
won't commit to it. He still won't commit to it.
commit to it. >> People, are you a racist? Are you an
>> People, are you a racist? Are you an anti-semite? I know there are many
anti-semite? I know there are many Jewish people who believe he is
Jewish people who believe he is anti-semitic. I believe not condemning
anti-semitic. I believe not condemning the globalized the inif uh what he has
the globalized the inif uh what he has said about Hamas but I can see where
said about Hamas but I can see where they
they >> I covered sorry I didn't mean to
>> I covered sorry I didn't mean to interrupt I covered your speech in an
interrupt I covered your speech in an upper westside synagogue where you said
upper westside synagogue where you said anti-ionism is anti-semitism there is no
anti-ionism is anti-semitism there is no difference and you were talking about
difference and you were talking about Mr. from Mamani. Is that not an
Mr. from Mamani. Is that not an allegation?
allegation? >> No, I make that statement all the time.
>> No, I make that statement all the time. I was referring to Mandami.
I was referring to Mandami. >> Okay. All right. We Mr. Mi a brief
>> Okay. All right. We Mr. Mi a brief response and then we have to move on.
response and then we have to move on. >> I have denounced Hamas again and again
>> I have denounced Hamas again and again and it will never be enough for Andrew
and it will never be enough for Andrew Cuomo because what he is willing to say
Cuomo because what he is willing to say even though not on this stage is to call
even though not on this stage is to call me the first Muslim on the precipice of
me the first Muslim on the precipice of leading this city a terrorist
leading this city a terrorist sympathizer. Is to send mailers that
sympathizer. Is to send mailers that artificially lengthen my beard. Is to
artificially lengthen my beard. Is to say to New Yorkers that they should be
say to New Yorkers that they should be crazy. has a specific question.
crazy. has a specific question. >> Donnie, we you are the Democratic
>> Donnie, we you are the Democratic nominee and you're also a member, as
nominee and you're also a member, as we've been discussing, of a political
we've been discussing, of a political organization that may be less familiar
organization that may be less familiar to New Yorkers, the Democratic
to New Yorkers, the Democratic Socialists of America, which believes in
Socialists of America, which believes in dismantling capitalism. New York City is
dismantling capitalism. New York City is the global headquarters of the finance
the global headquarters of the finance industry. So, how would you be the mayor
industry. So, how would you be the mayor of Wall Street and the DSA? You have one
of Wall Street and the DSA? You have one minute.
minute. >> I would be the mayor of this entire
>> I would be the mayor of this entire city. And that means ensuring that the
city. And that means ensuring that the wealth that we generate in this city is
wealth that we generate in this city is also wealth that every single New Yorker
also wealth that every single New Yorker can actually feel in their pockets.
can actually feel in their pockets. Because what we have today is a system
Because what we have today is a system that has generated the most wealth in
that has generated the most wealth in the wealthiest country in the history of
the wealthiest country in the history of the world where one in four of our
the world where one in four of our neighbors are living in poverty. That's
neighbors are living in poverty. That's unacceptable. We can't look at 500,000
unacceptable. We can't look at 500,000 kids hungry every single night as just
kids hungry every single night as just the cost of doing business in this city.
the cost of doing business in this city. That's something we have to actually
That's something we have to actually change. And I'm going to do that by
change. And I'm going to do that by fighting for my neighbors in Queens that
fighting for my neighbors in Queens that I've come to know who are not only the
I've come to know who are not only the ones who own teapotss and toy stores,
ones who own teapotss and toy stores, who own diners and dry cleaners, but
who own diners and dry cleaners, but also the ones who work there because
also the ones who work there because right now all of them are being pushed
right now all of them are being pushed out of this city by corporate greed, by
out of this city by corporate greed, by private equity, and by a politics that
private equity, and by a politics that refuses to fight for them. I will
refuses to fight for them. I will finally
finally >> just a quick followup, Mr. Mannani, a
>> just a quick followup, Mr. Mannani, a lot of Hispanic that flee socialism and
lot of Hispanic that flee socialism and are a little bit scared to hear your
are a little bit scared to hear your policies. What would you tell them?
policies. What would you tell them? Well, I would first say that I wouldn't
Well, I would first say that I wouldn't be here without the support of Latino
be here without the support of Latino New Yorkers because it was the majority
New Yorkers because it was the majority of their support that helped to make me
of their support that helped to make me the Democratic nominee. And what
the Democratic nominee. And what democratic socialism means is a belief
democratic socialism means is a belief in the dignity of each and every New
in the dignity of each and every New Yorker and the responsibility city
Yorker and the responsibility city government has to deliver that dignity.
government has to deliver that dignity. That's why I'm speaking about child care
That's why I'm speaking about child care because it's pricing out New Yorkers
because it's pricing out New Yorkers from the city. It's why I'm speaking
from the city. It's why I'm speaking about freezing the rent because housing
about freezing the rent because housing isn't a human right in the way that we
isn't a human right in the way that we practice our politics in this city. And
practice our politics in this city. And that's why I'm talking about making
that's why I'm talking about making buses fast and free because one in five
buses fast and free because one in five New Yorkers are being priced out of
New Yorkers are being priced out of public transit today.
public transit today. >> Rosarina, so Mr. Slew, I would like to
>> Rosarina, so Mr. Slew, I would like to talk to you because you were here with
talk to you because you were here with us four years ago in the same stage for
us four years ago in the same stage for the general election debate and you you
the general election debate and you you lost it. Why do you believe New York is
lost it. Why do you believe New York is ready to elect a Republican this time
ready to elect a Republican this time around? First off, uh, did I not warn
around? First off, uh, did I not warn you four years ago
you four years ago would be corrupt and we would have
would be corrupt and we would have chaos? Did I not? Of course I did. And I
chaos? Did I not? Of course I did. And I get praised for that.
get praised for that. >> Now I'm trying to get people to vote for
>> Now I'm trying to get people to vote for me, not just on the Republican line, but
me, not just on the Republican line, but also my wife Nancy, who is the best
also my wife Nancy, who is the best thing that has ever happened to me,
thing that has ever happened to me, created the first ever independent
created the first ever independent protect animals line, which calls for no
protect animals line, which calls for no kill shelters and putting animal abusers
kill shelters and putting animal abusers in jail. But the other thing that
in jail. But the other thing that differentiates me from both of my
differentiates me from both of my adversaries is that I am opposed to the
adversaries is that I am opposed to the city of Yes, which will destroy the
city of Yes, which will destroy the residential neighborhoods. Both of them
residential neighborhoods. Both of them are for the city of Yes. So when you
are for the city of Yes. So when you vote for me, whether on the Republican
vote for me, whether on the Republican line or the protect animals line, turn
line or the protect animals line, turn your ballot over and vote no on all
your ballot over and vote no on all those initiative and referendums.
those initiative and referendums. Imagine they've said, "How can you,
Imagine they've said, "How can you, Curtis, a Republican, work with a
Curtis, a Republican, work with a Democratic majority in the council?"
Democratic majority in the council?" Adrien Adams is in agreement with me.
Adrien Adams is in agreement with me. The Democratic city council people are
The Democratic city council people are in agreement with me. No to the city of
in agreement with me. No to the city of Yes, which will take your homes and
Yes, which will take your homes and provide you instead with lithium ion
provide you instead with lithium ion battery warehouses your house which are
battery warehouses your house which are like mini Chernobyl. I'm the only
like mini Chernobyl. I'm the only candidate who is opposed to the city of
candidate who is opposed to the city of Yes.
Yes. >> Thank you.
>> Thank you. >> And I have a quick follow to that. Mr.
>> And I have a quick follow to that. Mr. Sa bring down costs if you don't build
Sa bring down costs if you don't build more housing.
more housing. >> Oh, it's very simple to build housing.
>> Oh, it's very simple to build housing. You just look in New York City, we have
You just look in New York City, we have so many dense areas where you no longer
so many dense areas where you no longer can use the commercial space uh that
can use the commercial space uh that used to be office space and you just
used to be office space and you just convert it into residential housing. You
convert it into residential housing. You don't need to go into the outer room.
don't need to go into the outer room. You don't need to use wetlands, park
You don't need to use wetlands, park lands, which they seek to do. If you
lands, which they seek to do. If you build a new a new building, it takes 5
build a new a new building, it takes 5 years. If you convert
years. If you convert >> All right, Mr. Thank you. We want to
>> All right, Mr. Thank you. We want to change the pace in a year. want to
change the pace in a year. want to change the pace and just get a sense of
change the pace and just get a sense of what you think about political
what you think about political leadership. We're curious about who you
leadership. We're curious about who you admire. Who is the best modern-day US
admire. Who is the best modern-day US president, Mr. Cuomo?
president, Mr. Cuomo? >> Um,
>> Um, modern day, well, I'm partial. I was
modern day, well, I'm partial. I was Bill Clinton's housing and urban
Bill Clinton's housing and urban development secretary.
development secretary. >> We built affordable housing all across
>> We built affordable housing all across the United States.
the United States. >> Um, empowerment zones. I would say Bill
>> Um, empowerment zones. I would say Bill Clinton.
Clinton. >> Okay. Mr. Mandani
>> Okay. Mr. Mandani >> I would say FDR
>> I would say FDR >> Mr. SWA
>> Mr. SWA >> he's modern day
>> he's modern day >> modern
>> modern >> that's modern
>> that's modern >> man I'd say FDR also but that's modern
>> man I'd say FDR also but that's modern day
day >> Mr.
>> Mr. a man that ended up being loved by
a man that ended up being loved by Democrats and Republicans alike. The
Democrats and Republicans alike. The greatest governor we've ever had in my
greatest governor we've ever had in my lifetime, George Pataki.
lifetime, George Pataki. >> Three terms, no chaos, no corruption.
>> Three terms, no chaos, no corruption. >> I was asking he actually beat the
>> I was asking he actually beat the president
governor and this US president. Who's the
the >> Yeah. Who you thought the best modern
>> Yeah. Who you thought the best modern >> best president in our lifetime?
>> best president in our lifetime? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I would say the best president in our
>> I would say the best president in our lifetime that I've experienced. Uh, I
lifetime that I've experienced. Uh, I would go back to Ronald Reagan.
would go back to Ronald Reagan. >> Ronald Reagan. Okay.
>> Ronald Reagan. Okay. >> Of course.
>> Of course. >> How about the best New York City mayor,
>> How about the best New York City mayor, Mr. Sua?
>> Best New York City mayor, Mr. >> Uh, Rudy Giuliani, who endorsed me last
>> Uh, Rudy Giuliani, who endorsed me last week. Okay.
week. Okay. >> And I had a little bit of Michael
>> And I had a little bit of Michael Bloomberg thrown in because he liked
Bloomberg thrown in because he liked responsibility.
responsibility. >> I think the best New York City mayor of
>> I think the best New York City mayor of all time is Feluardia.
all time is Feluardia. >> Mr. Cuomo,
>> Mr. Cuomo, >> it was Bill Delasio last debate.
>> it was Bill Delasio last debate. >> No, I've always said Fel is the best
>> No, I've always said Fel is the best mayor of all time.
mayor of all time. >> Who's yours, Mr. Cuomo? Uh is it of all
>> Who's yours, Mr. Cuomo? Uh is it of all time or modern time?
time or modern time? >> Best New York City mayor in Europe.
>> Best New York City mayor in Europe. >> Of all time it is Fiorella Laguadia.
>> Of all time it is Fiorella Laguadia. >> We agree.
>> We agree. >> Uh recently I would say uh Mayor Dinkens
>> Uh recently I would say uh Mayor Dinkens and Mayor Bloomberg.
and Mayor Bloomberg. >> Okay. How about the political leader
>> Okay. How about the political leader dead or alive you most admire? Mr.
dead or alive you most admire? Mr. Mdani.
Mdani. >> I would say I admire Bernie Sanders.
>> I would say I admire Bernie Sanders. >> Mr. Cuomo.
>> Mr. Cuomo. >> My father of
>> My father of >> Mr. Sa.
>> Mr. Sa. Why would you you you Why would you
Why would you you you Why would you Oh my god. Okay,
Oh my god. Okay, >> I said it already. George Pataki, who is
>> I said it already. George Pataki, who is loved by Democrats and Republicans and
loved by Democrats and Republicans and the greatest mayor uh in our lifetime.
the greatest mayor uh in our lifetime. The greatest governor in
The greatest governor in >> I just have one more before Sally starts
>> I just have one more before Sally starts to ask you about schools. A show of
to ask you about schools. A show of hands. Who supports Kathy Hokll for
hands. Who supports Kathy Hokll for re-election?
re-election? >> It's a decision that should be made
>> It's a decision that should be made after this general election.
after this general election. >> So, no decision. Mr. Cuomo, you
>> So, no decision. Mr. Cuomo, you handpicked her as your lieutenant
handpicked her as your lieutenant governor. No, no,
governor. No, no, >> you have to know uh who's running.
>> you have to know uh who's running. >> Yeah. Okay. So,
>> Yeah. Okay. So, >> and I would add that I do think that
>> and I would add that I do think that Kathy Hokll, our governor, has been
Kathy Hokll, our governor, has been doing a good job in not only supporting
doing a good job in not only supporting not only delivering for New Yorkers, but
not only delivering for New Yorkers, but also standing up to Donald Trump.
also standing up to Donald Trump. >> Just what do you support for re-election
>> Just what do you support for re-election endorse?
endorse? >> I'm focusing on November. Why don't you
>> I'm focusing on November. Why don't you endorse her? I appreciate her support
endorse her? I appreciate her support and I appreciate her work.
and I appreciate her work. >> Shout out for Lee Stefonic to take out
>> Shout out for Lee Stefonic to take out Kathy Hokll. You have a Republican mayor
Kathy Hokll. You have a Republican mayor Curtis, a Republican a really tough um
Curtis, a Republican a really tough um conundrum, right? Because Kathy Hokll's
conundrum, right? Because Kathy Hokll's been warming up to Mam Donnie and Cuomo
been warming up to Mam Donnie and Cuomo knows it. So Quuomo won't endorse her
knows it. So Quuomo won't endorse her even though normally you'd think they'd
even though normally you'd think they'd be aligned because she's been moving
be aligned because she's been moving towards him, but she didn't endorse him
towards him, but she didn't endorse him in the primary and uh he doesn't want to
in the primary and uh he doesn't want to like drag himself down by committing
like drag himself down by committing himself to somebody who might still play
himself to somebody who might still play it like a little bit more open in the
it like a little bit more open in the future. Sleewa is the only one here who
future. Sleewa is the only one here who can answer freely.
can answer freely. >> There's a more left candidate in the
>> There's a more left candidate in the governor's race. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um we
governor's race. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um we we need to see how that's going to go
we need to see how that's going to go down. Mandani will support Hokll's
down. Mandani will support Hokll's deputy governor, but if it looks like he
deputy governor, but if it looks like he doesn't have a shot in hell, he still
doesn't have a shot in hell, he still wants to keep a good relationship with
wants to keep a good relationship with Hokll. That's the best that he can do.
Hokll. That's the best that he can do. That's the best that he can do.
That's the best that he can do. >> Like Giuliani,
>> Like Giuliani, >> you want to talk about save this city.
>> you want to talk about save this city. >> You want to talk about schools, Sally.
>> You want to talk about schools, Sally. >> Okay. Thank you, David. Let's turn to
>> Okay. Thank you, David. Let's turn to education. There are a number of issues
education. There are a number of issues facing public schools. One that's been
facing public schools. One that's been controversial in the campaign is the
controversial in the campaign is the gifted and talented program, which
gifted and talented program, which offers accelerated instruction to
offers accelerated instruction to elementary school children. Mr. Mdani,
elementary school children. Mr. Mdani, you have said that you want to phase out
you have said that you want to phase out the gifted and talented program while
the gifted and talented program while Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Siwa want to expand
Mr. Cuomo and Mr. Siwa want to expand it. Mr. Siwa, we will start with you.
it. Mr. Siwa, we will start with you. What is your plan for the program? You
What is your plan for the program? You have one minute.
have one minute. >> Uh, gifted and talented.
>> Uh, gifted and talented. >> Yes. Gifted and talented.
>> Yes. Gifted and talented. >> I have two younger sons with Melinda
>> I have two younger sons with Melinda Katz, the Queen's DA. They both
Katz, the Queen's DA. They both attempted to get into gifted and
attempted to get into gifted and talented as four year olds. They failed.
talented as four year olds. They failed. Uh, it did not uh present a problem with
Uh, it did not uh present a problem with their future education. We don't have
their future education. We don't have enough slots right now. They're 1,900.
enough slots right now. They're 1,900. We need to have at least 5,000 slots
We need to have at least 5,000 slots around the city. What they have not done
around the city. What they have not done at the Department of Education is make
at the Department of Education is make these tests available in black and
these tests available in black and Hispanic communities. So, for instance,
Hispanic communities. So, for instance, you have 77,000 children who are four
you have 77,000 children who are four years old. Only 10,000 have taken the
years old. Only 10,000 have taken the test. Only 2,000 are accepted. Why not
test. Only 2,000 are accepted. Why not offer the test to all 77,000? And even
offer the test to all 77,000? And even if a gifted and talented class only has
if a gifted and talented class only has three or four in a minority school, give
three or four in a minority school, give these children an opportunity to excel,
these children an opportunity to excel, too. That would make it fair for
too. That would make it fair for everybody.
everybody. >> Mr. Thank you, Mr. Cuomo. How does your
>> Mr. Thank you, Mr. Cuomo. How does your plan differ from Mr. Slew? You also have
plan differ from Mr. Slew? You also have one minute.
one minute. >> Uh, first, I support mayoral control. I
>> Uh, first, I support mayoral control. I think it would be a terrible mistake to
think it would be a terrible mistake to roll back mayoral control. That's
roll back mayoral control. That's probably been the most dramatic
probably been the most dramatic educational reform in 40 years. we'd go
educational reform in 40 years. we'd go back to the old system that had local
back to the old system that had local school boards which were corrupt
school boards which were corrupt patronage mills etc. So who runs the
patronage mills etc. So who runs the system is number one. I would expand
system is number one. I would expand gifted and talented programs. Uh
gifted and talented programs. Uh accessibility I'd offer preparatory
accessibility I'd offer preparatory courses to any student parent that
courses to any student parent that wanted to take them. I double the number
wanted to take them. I double the number of specialized high schools from 9 to 18
of specialized high schools from 9 to 18 and I would keep the SHSAT
and I would keep the SHSAT uh uh as it is.
uh uh as it is. >> Thank you. And Mr.
>> Thank you. And Mr. >> Can I add one thing?
>> Can I add one thing? >> Uh there's been no discussion about
>> Uh there's been no discussion about vocational high schools which save so
vocational high schools which save so many young men and women. We need we
many young men and women. We need we need to expand vocational training for
need to expand vocational training for those who are not achieved.
those who are not achieved. >> I'm here with Mr. Mom Donnie. Why should
>> I'm here with Mr. Mom Donnie. Why should the gifted and talented program be
the gifted and talented program be phased out in your opinion? you have a
phased out in your opinion? you have a minute to answer.
minute to answer. >> So I want to be very clear. I have
>> So I want to be very clear. I have spoken solely of gifted and talented for
spoken solely of gifted and talented for kindergarteners. I do not believe that
kindergarteners. I do not believe that kindergarteners should be subject to a
kindergarteners should be subject to a singular assessment. I have not spoken
singular assessment. I have not spoken of any gifted and talented programs
of any gifted and talented programs older than for kindergarten. I'm solely
older than for kindergarten. I'm solely speaking about kindergarten. And I
speaking about kindergarten. And I believe that we should be delivering the
believe that we should be delivering the best education across the country here
best education across the country here in this city. We will do that by
in this city. We will do that by following through in the proposals I've
following through in the proposals I've put forward to hire a thousand more
put forward to hire a thousand more teachers every single year through our
teachers every single year through our community to classroom program. one that
community to classroom program. one that will ensure that we're providing each
will ensure that we're providing each student, whether they be in high school
student, whether they be in high school or someone who is an adult looking to
or someone who is an adult looking to become a teacher, with $12,000 in
become a teacher, with $12,000 in tuition subsidies so that they can start
tuition subsidies so that they can start to fulfill the 7 to 9,000 additional
to fulfill the 7 to 9,000 additional teachers we need so that we can actually
teachers we need so that we can actually deliver on the class size reduction act,
deliver on the class size reduction act, which I was proud to pass an open
which I was proud to pass an open children and teachers have a manageable
children and teachers have a manageable ratio in that classroom so that they can
ratio in that classroom so that they can learn because today that learning is
learn because today that learning is being rendered impossible by the number
being rendered impossible by the number of kids in that same classroom. It's
of kids in that same classroom. It's time to make sure that that number is
time to make sure that that number is lower.
lower. >> But you don't believe the mayor should
>> But you don't believe the mayor should run this this system.
run this this system. >> I've been critical of mayoral control
>> I've been critical of mayoral control because of the ways in which it's been
because of the ways in which it's been used to take away the voice of parents,
used to take away the voice of parents, of educators, of students. I think it's
of educators, of students. I think it's important that those same voices be a
important that those same voices be a part of how we lead the system.
part of how we lead the system. >> So, are you for or against mayoral
>> So, are you for or against mayoral control?
control? >> I've been critical of it. I'm against
>> I've been critical of it. I'm against mayoral control and I think that there's
mayoral control and I think that there's an importance of developing something
an importance of developing something that actually enshrines all of those
that actually enshrines all of those voices together.
voices together. >> Mr. You also tried to curtail it when
>> Mr. You also tried to curtail it when Mayor Delasio was mayor.
Mayor Delasio was mayor. >> Go.
>> Go. >> Did you hear what she said?
>> Did you hear what she said? >> No.
>> No. >> I was saying you you proposed a
>> I was saying you you proposed a curtailment of mayoral control when
curtailment of mayoral control when Mayor Delasio was mayor during
Mayor Delasio was mayor during >> there's been multiple modifications of
>> there's been multiple modifications of mayoral control.
mayoral control. >> Some some proposed curtailment at your
>> Some some proposed curtailment at your hand. So if you are such a champion of
hand. So if you are such a champion of it tonight.
it tonight. >> No, I never I never I never proposed
>> No, I never I never I never proposed reversing mayoral control.
reversing mayoral control. >> No. Shortening the duration of time he
>> No. Shortening the duration of time he would have control of schools.
would have control of schools. >> Yes. For renewal. The renewal. How much
>> Yes. For renewal. The renewal. How much control of schools, Mr. Mandani, how
control of schools, Mr. Mandani, how much control of schools would you be
much control of schools would you be giving up? Is it just a sharing
giving up? Is it just a sharing arrangement? I know you want to share
arrangement? I know you want to share with the districts and with parents, or
with the districts and with parents, or would you be giving up full control? And
would you be giving up full control? And is that an accountability problem if the
is that an accountability problem if the buck doesn't stop with you?
buck doesn't stop with you? >> I think the mayor needs to retain the
>> I think the mayor needs to retain the accountability so that New Yorkers know
accountability so that New Yorkers know exactly who they can come to when they
exactly who they can come to when they have critiques. And I think we also have
have critiques. And I think we also have to develop a system where we don't have
to develop a system where we don't have what we saw just recently where you have
what we saw just recently where you have hours and hours of parents and teachers
hours and hours of parents and teachers and students testifying only to be
and students testifying only to be overruled without any consideration by
overruled without any consideration by the panel.
the panel. >> Thank you Mr. I have control switching
>> Thank you Mr. I have control switching switching now it's a question for all
switching now it's a question for all three of you. switching to students with
three of you. switching to students with learning challenges. Parents of students
learning challenges. Parents of students with dyslexia, ADHD, and autism are very
with dyslexia, ADHD, and autism are very well aware of the fact that the school
well aware of the fact that the school system in New York City is not doing
system in New York City is not doing enough to meet their children's
enough to meet their children's educational needs. How will you help
educational needs. How will you help these parents and students? We know that
these parents and students? We know that Mayor Adams has expanded evaluations
Mayor Adams has expanded evaluations specifically for children with dyslexia.
specifically for children with dyslexia. It was an issue close to his heart, but
It was an issue close to his heart, but what would you do more broadly, Mr.
what would you do more broadly, Mr. Mumani? You know, I think some of the
Mumani? You know, I think some of the initiatives that Mayor Adams has
initiatives that Mayor Adams has launched, especially with this
launched, especially with this chancellor, have been showing positive
chancellor, have been showing positive signs, especially for literacy and for
signs, especially for literacy and for preparedness, especially as we're in a
preparedness, especially as we're in a national crisis on reading and
national crisis on reading and mathematical comprehension. And I think
mathematical comprehension. And I think those are programs that should be
those are programs that should be furthered, should be invested in, all
furthered, should be invested in, all while also ensuring that we're giving
while also ensuring that we're giving teachers greater flexibility in the
teachers greater flexibility in the curriculum that they're actually
curriculum that they're actually teaching. Because what I've heard from
teaching. Because what I've heard from many of those teachers is that too often
many of those teachers is that too often the curriculum that's being procured in
the curriculum that's being procured in the10 billion dollars a year in DOE
the10 billion dollars a year in DOE contracts is one that has little
contracts is one that has little relation.
relation. >> Thank you, Mr. Mom. Donnie, Mr. Sle, you
>> Thank you, Mr. Mom. Donnie, Mr. Sle, you have 30 seconds.
have 30 seconds. >> Yeah. Uh we have $41,000 that we're
>> Yeah. Uh we have $41,000 that we're spending on each student. Now by fourth
spending on each student. Now by fourth grade, twothirds of these children
grade, twothirds of these children cannot read, write, or do math at grade
cannot read, write, or do math at grade level. That we should be ashamed of
level. That we should be ashamed of oursel for that. 100,000 less students
oursel for that. 100,000 less students than we had last year. one-third are
than we had last year. one-third are truent. We have 200 schools with 200
truent. We have 200 schools with 200 students or less and Michael Mogru
students or less and Michael Mogru determines which schools stay open. Eric
determines which schools stay open. Eric Adamson is not exhibiting mayoral
Adamson is not exhibiting mayoral control. The mayor should run the board
control. The mayor should run the board of education, the old board of education
of education, the old board of education that is now the department of education.
that is now the department of education. The bureaucracy, you have 13 deputy
The bureaucracy, you have 13 deputy chancellors. You have 50 department
chancellors. You have 50 department heads that suck up all the money. The
heads that suck up all the money. The teachers are still reaching into their
teachers are still reaching into their pockets to pay for badly needed supplies
pockets to pay for badly needed supplies for the children in the class. The money
for the children in the class. The money should be going to the teachers and the
should be going to the teachers and the children and young adults and it's not.
children and young adults and it's not. >> Mr. Cuomo, what is your specific plan to
>> Mr. Cuomo, what is your specific plan to deal with uh the challenges of students
deal with uh the challenges of students who have learning differences?
who have learning differences? >> We are losing young families. When the
>> We are losing young families. When the child becomes of school age, they leave
child becomes of school age, they leave the city. They go to the suburbs. They
the city. They go to the suburbs. They go to New Jersey. they're not going to
go to New Jersey. they're not going to sacrifice their child on what they think
sacrifice their child on what they think is a secondary education system. Uh the
is a secondary education system. Uh the core competency reading and math below
core competency reading and math below 50% is a disgrace. Uh the gifted and
50% is a disgrace. Uh the gifted and talented programs gives people hope. Uh
talented programs gives people hope. Uh I do believe Mayor Adams has made
I do believe Mayor Adams has made progress on the evaluations and services
progress on the evaluations and services for children who require special needs
for children who require special needs and assistance. Uh but obviously we have
and assistance. Uh but obviously we have to do more. So we have another question
to do more. So we have another question about improving schools and in the last
about improving schools and in the last year the schools enrolled more than
year the schools enrolled more than 36,000 migrant students many learning
36,000 migrant students many learning English for the first time from class
English for the first time from class size to bilingual teachers that put a
size to bilingual teachers that put a big strain in the system. Mr. Cuomo what
big strain in the system. Mr. Cuomo what can you do to help migrant students but
can you do to help migrant students but also the staff? You have 30 seconds.
also the staff? You have 30 seconds. Well, first, uh, I think it was wrong of
Well, first, uh, I think it was wrong of the state to put so many migrants in New
the state to put so many migrants in New York City. New York City had the
York City. New York City had the overwhelming majority of migrants,
overwhelming majority of migrants, >> but they were already here,
>> but they were already here, >> close to about 80%. The state should
>> close to about 80%. The state should have uh put them all across the state,
have uh put them all across the state, Nassau, SuffK, upstate. Uh, so other
Nassau, SuffK, upstate. Uh, so other what who is this rhetoric meant to
what who is this rhetoric meant to appeal to? the people who don't
appeal to? the people who don't fundamentally have a problem with
fundamentally have a problem with migrancy in New York, but people who
migrancy in New York, but people who wish it was distribut people who like
wish it was distribut people who like migrants but who think there should be
migrants but who think there should be less of them in New York City.
less of them in New York City. >> Governments could have uh um also
>> Governments could have uh um also >> well they were bust here from Texas and
>> well they were bust here from Texas and we have a situation.
we have a situation. >> But if they're bust from Texas, you
>> But if they're bust from Texas, you could have brought some to Nassau 20
could have brought some to Nassau 20 miles here. They were they were bust in
miles here. They were they were bust in from Texas maliciously by a governor who
from Texas maliciously by a governor who was deliberately trying to kidnap people
was deliberately trying to kidnap people and take them across state lines
and take them across state lines uh to to antagonize, you know, culture
uh to to antagonize, you know, culture or grievances.
or grievances. >> Ask for the current problem.
>> Ask for the current problem. >> Yes. Well, that's how the problem was
>> Yes. Well, that's how the problem was created.
created. >> Okay, we understand.
>> Okay, we understand. >> The state put them here. The state gave
>> The state put them here. The state gave the city the bill.
the city the bill. >> Uh it has now increased the challenge in
>> Uh it has now increased the challenge in our education system. Notice how [ __ ]
our education system. Notice how [ __ ] compliant he is with Republicans that he
compliant he is with Republicans that he won't even name them when they're
won't even name them when they're directly responsible for the thing that
directly responsible for the thing that he's talking about. He could have taken
he's talking about. He could have taken this as an easy shot at Greg Abbott and
this as an easy shot at Greg Abbott and uh you know the the deliberately
uh you know the the deliberately worsening problems here in New York City
worsening problems here in New York City to score political points, but no, it's
to score political points, but no, it's only politics when it's 13 women
only politics when it's 13 women accusing him of sexually harassing them.
accusing him of sexually harassing them. It's not politics when a political
It's not politics when a political opponent does something for no reason
opponent does something for no reason other than to antagonize you
other than to antagonize you politically.
politically. >> The state is going to have to help
>> The state is going to have to help financially. So you didn't answer the
financially. So you didn't answer the question. Mr. Mdan is your chance.
question. Mr. Mdan is your chance. >> You know when I spoke about our
>> You know when I spoke about our community to classroom program, the
community to classroom program, the importance of it is not just bringing in
importance of it is not just bringing in a thousand more teachers every year.
a thousand more teachers every year. It's also that we would bring in a
It's also that we would bring in a number of more bilingual educators
number of more bilingual educators because what we've heard from a number
because what we've heard from a number of adults who have taught in other
of adults who have taught in other countries now live in New York City is
countries now live in New York City is the process by which they get their
the process by which they get their certification approved to teach here is
certification approved to teach here is one that is ownorous and one that is
one that is ownorous and one that is actually pricing many of them out.
actually pricing many of them out. That's why this is a program that will
That's why this is a program that will directly address that to increase that
directly address that to increase that bilingual capacity in our school system
bilingual capacity in our school system so that we can teach every single child
so that we can teach every single child no matter when they got here in public
no matter when they got here in public education.
education. >> Danny, this certification has been
>> Danny, this certification has been offered and it hasn't been successful.
offered and it hasn't been successful. So, how can you make more teachers to
So, how can you make more teachers to be, you know, like they want to do this
be, you know, like they want to do this part
part >> part of what I've heard is that the
>> part of what I've heard is that the tuition costs as part of the same
tuition costs as part of the same certification exams are ownorous for
certification exams are ownorous for many of these adults looking to switch
many of these adults looking to switch careers. That's why this program is
careers. That's why this program is built upon providing $12,000 in tuition
built upon providing $12,000 in tuition assistance that would lead to a thousand
assistance that would lead to a thousand more teachers every year.
more teachers every year. >> And also salaries will be good.
>> And also salaries will be good. >> We have not just migrant children. We
>> We have not just migrant children. We have the children of the homeless over
have the children of the homeless over 120.
120. >> It's so [ __ ] embarrassing that even
>> It's so [ __ ] embarrassing that even in a city as wealthy and powerful as New
in a city as wealthy and powerful as New York City, you know, we still have to
York City, you know, we still have to fight for scraps when there's more money
fight for scraps when there's more money in the streets than there ever has been.
in the streets than there ever has been. you know, the billionaires uh the went
you know, the billionaires uh the went like from, you know, Elon Musk, Jeff
like from, you know, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, whoever else. They went from
Bezos, whoever else. They went from owning like two billion to 200 billion
owning like two billion to 200 billion uh in a decade. The enormous amount of
uh in a decade. The enormous amount of wealth hoovered up by the ultra wealthy
wealth hoovered up by the ultra wealthy and they're still arguing for, you know,
and they're still arguing for, you know, maybe teachers shouldn't have to pay for
maybe teachers shouldn't have to pay for all of the student supplies out of their
all of the student supplies out of their own pocket. It's insane. You know, it's
own pocket. It's insane. You know, it's so humiliating. It's it's embarrassing.
so humiliating. It's it's embarrassing. We could all live like uh kings if this
We could all live like uh kings if this money was just used appropriately.
money was just used appropriately. >> 20,000. We haven't yet discussed charter
>> 20,000. We haven't yet discussed charter schools, parochial schools that are
schools, parochial schools that are closing. Normally parochial schools
closing. Normally parochial schools would have been able to take some of
would have been able to take some of these children. We need to expand the
these children. We need to expand the number of charter schools that
number of charter schools that >> we was kings. No, my brother, we is
>> we was kings. No, my brother, we is kings, okay? Or at least we will be if
kings, okay? Or at least we will be if we just tax that [ __ ] money.
we just tax that [ __ ] money. >> Doing an amazing job, especially in the
>> Doing an amazing job, especially in the inner cities. And why not make that
inner cities. And why not make that available to migrant children and to the
available to migrant children and to the homeless children who are coming from
homeless children who are coming from shelters all across the city who need
shelters all across the city who need the special teaching skills that have
the special teaching skills that have lifted children in the charter schools.
lifted children in the charter schools. We need to give choice because that's
We need to give choice because that's our most precious resource our children.
our most precious resource our children. >> So allow me to now move on into the
>> So allow me to now move on into the >> I agree on the charter schools.
>> I agree on the charter schools. >> Thank you Mr. Ko. Allow me now to enter
>> Thank you Mr. Ko. Allow me now to enter into the sanctuary city situation and
into the sanctuary city situation and let's talk about also undocumented
let's talk about also undocumented immigrants. 26 federal plaza has become
immigrants. 26 federal plaza has become a flagship in federal immigration
a flagship in federal immigration crackdown. We reported that asylum
crackdown. We reported that asylum seekers are showing up for like those
seekers are showing up for like those routine appointments not facing any
routine appointments not facing any criminal challenges and they end up
criminal challenges and they end up being deported. So by the show of hands,
being deported. So by the show of hands, we would like to know if you believe
we would like to know if you believe that you any of you could do something
that you any of you could do something to stop this.
to stop this. >> Okay. So Mr. Cuomo, you have a minute to
>> Okay. So Mr. Cuomo, you have a minute to explain us what would you do?
explain us what would you do? >> The law is the law and I would have an
>> The law is the law and I would have an attorney assigned to every person who is
attorney assigned to every person who is undergoing any review by the federal
undergoing any review by the federal government or any legal
government or any legal >> No, you wouldn't. That's insane. You
>> No, you wouldn't. That's insane. You would have a specially designated def
would have a specially designated def defense attorney or legal consultant to
defense attorney or legal consultant to every person being considered for ISA.
every person being considered for ISA. That that would be insane.
That that would be insane. Total lie. Like wild over. He has no
Total lie. Like wild over. He has no intention of doing this. Yeah, you would
intention of doing this. Yeah, you would need an army. It would be obscenely
need an army. It would be obscenely expensive. That's totally impractical.
expensive. That's totally impractical. >> The proceedings uh and put the full
>> The proceedings uh and put the full weight of the city government behind it
weight of the city government behind it uh and make sure they are legally
uh and make sure they are legally protected.
protected. >> Mr. ly.
>> Mr. ly. >> This, by the way, lets you know he
>> This, by the way, lets you know he actually has no plan. It's such a
actually has no plan. It's such a ludicrous lie that it tells you what he
ludicrous lie that it tells you what he actually um what he actually has
actually um what he actually has prepared for this, which is nothing.
prepared for this, which is nothing. It's it's it's like a joke answer, you
It's it's it's like a joke answer, you know.
know. >> Look, going after the criminals, that's
>> Look, going after the criminals, that's the job of uh immigration and
the job of uh immigration and naturalization service ICE. But when
naturalization service ICE. But when they have to perform under a quota, cuz
they have to perform under a quota, cuz I speak to many of the men and women who
I speak to many of the men and women who serve this country, it's putting too
serve this country, it's putting too much pressure to go outside of courouses
much pressure to go outside of courouses to go Home Depot shape ups or the backs
to go Home Depot shape ups or the backs of restaurants and hospitality
of restaurants and hospitality businesses which have hired these
businesses which have hired these migrants and they are essential workers.
migrants and they are essential workers. Now I can tell you I have three sons.
Now I can tell you I have three sons. None of them are going to do that work.
None of them are going to do that work. Some Americans will, but most won't. We
Some Americans will, but most won't. We need to protect the migrants who are
need to protect the migrants who are workers, who are essential workers. and
workers, who are essential workers. and use ICE to go after the drug dealers,
use ICE to go after the drug dealers, the gang bangers, the sexual uh
the gang bangers, the sexual uh predators and those who are sex
predators and those who are sex trafficking and involved in narco
trafficking and involved in narco terrorism.
terrorism. >> Mr. Ramdani, you know,
>> Mr. Ramdani, you know, >> I would be proud to feed the first
>> I would be proud to feed the first immigrant mayor of this city in
immigrant mayor of this city in generations. And it's at 26 Federal
generations. And it's at 26 Federal Plaza that I've seen what used to be
Plaza that I've seen what used to be moments when New Yorkers would be
moments when New Yorkers would be getting their citizenship turn into
getting their citizenship turn into moments of tragedy where judges are
moments of tragedy where judges are asking New Yorkers who are there for a
asking New Yorkers who are there for a routine immigration check-in whether
routine immigration check-in whether they're prepared to leave in the very
they're prepared to leave in the very same clothes that they arrive to that
same clothes that they arrive to that courthouse. I agree that we need more
courthouse. I agree that we need more legal representation. I also think we
legal representation. I also think we need to actually be able to stand up to
need to actually be able to stand up to Donald Trump because I heard from pastor
Donald Trump because I heard from pastor in East Flatbush, Pastor Galbrath, who
in East Flatbush, Pastor Galbrath, who told me how he accompanied a member of
told me how he accompanied a member of his congregation to 26 Federal Plaza. He
his congregation to 26 Federal Plaza. He sat there as a judge was determining her
sat there as a judge was determining her fate. They managed to convince the judge
fate. They managed to convince the judge to replace the deportation order with a
to replace the deportation order with a TPS order, but they knew that ICE would
TPS order, but they knew that ICE would not care about that change, and they had
not care about that change, and they had to sprint her out of the building,
to sprint her out of the building, smuggling her into the elevator in order
smuggling her into the elevator in order to get her back to Brooklyn. Thank you.
to get her back to Brooklyn. Thank you. >> Candidates, uh, I want to talk about New
>> Candidates, uh, I want to talk about New York City's economy, uh, and change the
York City's economy, uh, and change the pace a little bit. Everyone supports
pace a little bit. Everyone supports growing New York City's economy. The
growing New York City's economy. The mayor is our chief salesman to the
mayor is our chief salesman to the business world. So, we want to mix it
business world. So, we want to mix it up, test your persuasive power. So,
up, test your persuasive power. So, we're calling it an elevator pitch. And
we're calling it an elevator pitch. And we'll start with you, Mr. Ramdani. In
we'll start with you, Mr. Ramdani. In this scenario, imagine you're talking to
this scenario, imagine you're talking to the CEO of a big tech company deciding
the CEO of a big tech company deciding to move it.
to move it. >> Why does it have to be a big tech
>> Why does it have to be a big tech company? Why does it have to be f Well,
company? Why does it have to be f Well, yeah. Build a data center right there in
yeah. Build a data center right there in Manhattan. Sure, [ __ ] it. Why not build
Manhattan. Sure, [ __ ] it. Why not build build it right there on the waterfront?
build it right there on the waterfront? Who gives a [ __ ] Right on the Hudson.
Who gives a [ __ ] Right on the Hudson. Just [ __ ] just right there. Yeah, why
Just [ __ ] just right there. Yeah, why the [ __ ] not? Why not like regular
the [ __ ] not? Why not like regular business? Why does it always has to be
business? Why does it always has to be some like
some like mega monolithic business that employs
mega monolithic business that employs like five people for every billion in
like five people for every billion in revenue it generates via shareholder
revenue it generates via shareholder investment?
investment? >> Headquarters to New York City or to
>> Headquarters to New York City or to Dallas. The CEO is concerned. New York
Dallas. The CEO is concerned. New York just raised its corporate taxes and
just raised its corporate taxes and employees will pay more for everything.
employees will pay more for everything. Look into the camera and make your pitch
Look into the camera and make your pitch to that CEO to come here and not there.
to that CEO to come here and not there. Do it in 30 seconds.
Do it in 30 seconds. >> New York City has something that Dallas
>> New York City has something that Dallas or no other city across this country
or no other city across this country could actually offer. And that is the
could actually offer. And that is the quality of life. That is the arts and
quality of life. That is the arts and the culture. That is the people that
the culture. That is the people that make the city so special. And I, as the
make the city so special. And I, as the mayor of this city, will deliver that
mayor of this city, will deliver that quality of life. We'll deliver the
quality of life. We'll deliver the safety. That is the cornerstone of an
safety. That is the cornerstone of an affordability agenda. and will ensure
affordability agenda. and will ensure that companies choose to come to this
that companies choose to come to this city and also choose to stay in this
city and also choose to stay in this city because so much of what drives the
city because so much of what drives the tech sector is a hunger for innovation,
tech sector is a hunger for innovation, a unrepenting desire to actually
a unrepenting desire to actually innovate and those are the very things
innovate and those are the very things that are going to characterize my city
that are going to characterize my city government in this.
government in this. >> But what do you say to CO about the
>> But what do you say to CO about the corporate taxes and also the the
corporate taxes and also the the staggering costs for the workers?
staggering costs for the workers? >> We are going to make this city more
>> We are going to make this city more affordable so that workers who want to
affordable so that workers who want to work at those companies can actually be
work at those companies can actually be able to do so. And we're going to ensure
able to do so. And we're going to ensure that this city continues to be one where
that this city continues to be one where we see businesses opening and also
we see businesses opening and also staying open. All right. Thank you, sir.
staying open. All right. Thank you, sir. >> Yeah, I think that was about the best
>> Yeah, I think that was about the best answer you could expect considering the
answer you could expect considering the [ __ ] ass question. You know,
[ __ ] ass question. You know, >> Mr. Cuomo was something of a reverse
>> Mr. Cuomo was something of a reverse scenario for you. The CEO of a similar
scenario for you. The CEO of a similar company with 1,000 good jobs tells you
company with 1,000 good jobs tells you she's very close to moving her
she's very close to moving her headquarters out of New York City. She
headquarters out of New York City. She cites everything from taxes to the
cites everything from taxes to the crushing cost of living for her
crushing cost of living for her employees in New York City. How do you
employees in New York City. How do you convince that CEO to stay? Please look
convince that CEO to stay? Please look into the camera and make your elevator
into the camera and make your elevator pitch. You have 30 seconds.
pitch. You have 30 seconds. >> We know that uh the other companies in
>> We know that uh the other companies in New York City I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
New York City I'm sorry. I'm sorry. >> Um
>> Um Cuomo is so docile, man. Why did he just
Cuomo is so docile, man. Why did he just let that Does anyone else feel that way?
let that Does anyone else feel that way? I feel like Cuomo has been really really
I feel like Cuomo has been really really weird. I I I maintain that he doesn't
weird. I I I maintain that he doesn't want to be here from the beginning. He
want to be here from the beginning. He does not want want to be here. He is not
does not want want to be here. He is not enjoy. He doesn't want to do any of
enjoy. He doesn't want to do any of this. You know,
this. You know, >> uh the question is to me in this camera.
>> uh the question is to me in this camera. >> Yes. The question is how you would
>> Yes. The question is how you would convince the CEO of a company with a
convince the CEO of a company with a thousand good jobs who's looking to move
thousand good jobs who's looking to move out of New York City because of the high
out of New York City because of the high cost of living for her employees and
cost of living for her employees and taxes. How you would convince her to
taxes. How you would convince her to stay in New York City?
stay in New York City? >> Uh in 15 seconds.
>> Uh in 15 seconds. >> 30.
>> 30. >> Oh my god.
>> Oh my god. >> 30 seconds.
>> 30 seconds. >> Okay. I get it. I understand your
>> Okay. I get it. I understand your frustration. I hate this. The far left
frustration. I hate this. The far left has been raising taxes and making uh
has been raising taxes and making uh businesses feel like the enemy. Uh we
businesses feel like the enemy. Uh we get it. That's gone. Uh the DSA, the
get it. That's gone. Uh the DSA, the socialist orientation. We're not
socialist orientation. We're not socialists. It didn't work in Venezuela.
socialists. It didn't work in Venezuela. Didn't work in Cuba.
Didn't work in Cuba. >> Pathe [ __ ] pathetic. [ __ ]
>> Pathe [ __ ] pathetic. [ __ ] pathetic. Genuinely like an
pathetic. Genuinely like an embarrassment. Seriously, this is your
embarrassment. Seriously, this is your business pitch. He wasn't even paying
business pitch. He wasn't even paying attention. This is the This is This
attention. This is the This is This would be bad for a Republican. This is
would be bad for a Republican. This is embarrassing.
embarrassing. >> Didn't work here. We know that we have
>> Didn't work here. We know that we have to work with business. We want to be
to work with business. We want to be your partner. We want to have taxes that
your partner. We want to have taxes that help us grow our city but are
help us grow our city but are competitive for you and we want to
competitive for you and we want to partner to grow your business and our
partner to grow your business and our city together.
city together. >> Mr. that it's actually like
>> Mr. that it's actually like embarrassing. I feel like Cuomo's best
embarrassing. I feel like Cuomo's best shot from the beginning would be to pose
shot from the beginning would be to pose as a kind of like um golden age
as a kind of like um golden age Democrat, you know, like a Bill Clinton
Democrat, you know, like a Bill Clinton type. like basically, hey, remember back
type. like basically, hey, remember back when things were good and stable? I'm
when things were good and stable? I'm your guy, you know, and try to just
your guy, you know, and try to just overwhelm Mamani by being a like steely
overwhelm Mamani by being a like steely jawed, stern, I'm here to deliver
jawed, stern, I'm here to deliver serious results sort of guy. But but he
serious results sort of guy. But but he keeps denigrating into these like
keeps denigrating into these like ridiculous Republican strategies. He he
ridiculous Republican strategies. He he he like with the smear campaign, the
he like with the smear campaign, the weird Mani's law, I'm going to put a law
weird Mani's law, I'm going to put a law forward that just evicts Mandani, the
forward that just evicts Mandani, the Hassan [ __ ] [ __ ] He doesn't he doesn't
Hassan [ __ ] [ __ ] He doesn't he doesn't pose himself well enough to do that, you
pose himself well enough to do that, you know.
know. >> Well, let's talk about business because
>> Well, let's talk about business because let's assume the big tech company that
let's assume the big tech company that we pitched to Mr. Mom Donnie earlier has
we pitched to Mr. Mom Donnie earlier has decided to move to New York and it's a a
decided to move to New York and it's a a thousand good paying jobs and the CEO
thousand good paying jobs and the CEO wants to be based in Atoria, Queens. But
wants to be based in Atoria, Queens. But there's a loud push back of residents
there's a loud push back of residents who don't want the noise and the
who don't want the noise and the traffic. How can you convince the
traffic. How can you convince the residents to accept the new neighbor?
residents to accept the new neighbor? You're speaking to a very powerful
You're speaking to a very powerful community. How can you convince them?
community. How can you convince them? >> Well, we saw that with Amazon. Amazon
>> Well, we saw that with Amazon. Amazon wanted to come in and AOC led the charge
wanted to come in and AOC led the charge and local elected officials to say no to
and local elected officials to say no to Amazon. That was a big mistake.
Amazon. That was a big mistake. >> That was [ __ ] based. By the way, we
>> That was [ __ ] based. By the way, we have seen what these big tech companies
have seen what these big tech companies rolling into cities has done. Um, huge,
rolling into cities has done. Um, huge, huge, huge win. Econ the economy of a
huge, huge win. Econ the economy of a city should be built on the actual
city should be built on the actual industry, the commercialization, the the
industry, the commercialization, the the the the beating heart of the city, you
the the beating heart of the city, you know? It should be built on what people
know? It should be built on what people do and what they contribute, not on like
do and what they contribute, not on like flippant, not on like offering massive
flippant, not on like offering massive tax cuts to corporations to incentivize
tax cuts to corporations to incentivize them to move in and like continue to
them to move in and like continue to spread like the cancer they are.
spread like the cancer they are. >> I would say this, our companies are
>> I would say this, our companies are being recruited away by the day. We have
being recruited away by the day. We have young people who are going to school
young people who are going to school here who could fill their needs in these
here who could fill their needs in these high-tech industries who also are being
high-tech industries who also are being lured away. We need to cut their income
lured away. We need to cut their income taxes for 5 years. Tell them if you go
taxes for 5 years. Tell them if you go to school here, graduate here, no income
to school here, graduate here, no income taxes for 5 years. It's an income tax
taxes for 5 years. It's an income tax holiday. And the most important thing,
holiday. And the most important thing, we have to be able to assure the
we have to be able to assure the executive that this will be a city where
executive that this will be a city where we don't lock up toothpaste any longer,
we don't lock up toothpaste any longer, but lock up the criminals who make it
but lock up the criminals who make it intolerable to have a good quality of
intolerable to have a good quality of life. Thank you.
life. Thank you. >> We need to move on to a subject that is
>> We need to move on to a subject that is >> Democratic Socialist of America that
>> Democratic Socialist of America that stopped Amazon and cost us 25,000 jobs.
stopped Amazon and cost us 25,000 jobs. So,
So, >> thank you, Mr. Cuomo. We need to move on
>> thank you, Mr. Cuomo. We need to move on to a crisis that is very important to a
to a crisis that is very important to a lot of voters, and that is people
lot of voters, and that is people struggling with mental health problems.
struggling with mental health problems. Roughly 500 times a day, someone calls
Roughly 500 times a day, someone calls 911 about an emotionally disturbed
911 about an emotionally disturbed person. And in a limited number of those
person. And in a limited number of those cases, when the person is not believed
cases, when the person is not believed to be violent,
to be violent, >> social workers are dispatched instead of
>> social workers are dispatched instead of police. Mr. Mandani, you want to do that
police. Mr. Mandani, you want to do that on a much larger scale. So, we want to
on a much larger scale. So, we want to know how will this work? When will you
know how will this work? When will you send police versus social workers? You
send police versus social workers? You have one minute. You know, we have a
have one minute. You know, we have a program here in New York City called Be
program here in New York City called Be Heard that is attempting to do this kind
Heard that is attempting to do this kind of work. But we've had a mayor who has
of work. But we've had a mayor who has ensured that it's been unsuccessful to
ensured that it's been unsuccessful to the extent that even when there was an
the extent that even when there was an assessment of about 60% of calls that
assessment of about 60% of calls that could have been addressed by Beard
could have been addressed by Beard instead of the NYPD, Be Herd was not
instead of the NYPD, Be Herd was not actually responsive to it. And that's
actually responsive to it. And that's because we haven't had the political
because we haven't had the political will to deliver on what is a crisis that
will to deliver on what is a crisis that affects so many New Yorkers, which is
affects so many New Yorkers, which is the mental health crisis. What my plan
the mental health crisis. What my plan will do, an innovative plan at the
will do, an innovative plan at the Department of Community Safety, will
Department of Community Safety, will take what has worked elsewhere in the
take what has worked elsewhere in the country, a program in Eugene, Oregon,
country, a program in Eugene, Oregon, where they took 24,000 911 mental health
where they took 24,000 911 mental health calls out of the police department. They
calls out of the police department. They were able to respond to all but 311
were able to respond to all but 311 without police assistance. When there is
without police assistance. When there is a concern for safety or of violence,
a concern for safety or of violence, absolutely, you would have the police
absolutely, you would have the police there. But what we are doing today is
there. But what we are doing today is actually ensuring that every single call
actually ensuring that every single call is going to the police and not allowing
is going to the police and not allowing them to do the work that they signed up
them to do the work that they signed up to do.
to do. >> How will you determine whether there is
>> How will you determine whether there is a concern for safety or violence? What
a concern for safety or violence? What is the line between the calls in which
is the line between the calls in which police will be dispatched and the calls
police will be dispatched and the calls to which social workers will be
to which social workers will be dispatched.
dispatched. >> The line is also going to be one focused
>> The line is also going to be one focused on violence and the threat of violence.
on violence and the threat of violence. And I also trust the operators who will
And I also trust the operators who will be receiving those calls to make that
be receiving those calls to make that determination as they do every day today
determination as they do every day today for so many emergency services.
for so many emergency services. >> And just two really quick points,
>> And just two really quick points, please. Um there has been a lot of
please. Um there has been a lot of discussion that you would send social
discussion that you would send social workers to domestic violence calls which
workers to domestic violence calls which police are concerned about. So you're
police are concerned about. So you're saying no. Okay. And then the other
saying no. Okay. And then the other question is how can you be sure that a
question is how can you be sure that a situation that does not sound violent
situation that does not sound violent when someone calls 911 does not become
when someone calls 911 does not become violent in the moment? Would police be
violent in the moment? Would police be assigned as backup?
assigned as backup? >> I think what you do is you actually
>> I think what you do is you actually follow the experts that have shown us
follow the experts that have shown us this can work when you're willing to
this can work when you're willing to ensure that you're trusting the mental
ensure that you're trusting the mental health experts who have been doing this
health experts who have been doing this work elsewhere in the country where they
work elsewhere in the country where they call for the police when they need the
call for the police when they need the police. But their initial impulse when
police. But their initial impulse when there is no violence in that call is to
there is no violence in that call is to actually address the mental health at
actually address the mental health at the heart of it.
the heart of it. >> Okay. Mr. Siwa, you have encountered
>> Okay. Mr. Siwa, you have encountered plenty of these types of situations in
plenty of these types of situations in your decades of work with the Guardian
your decades of work with the Guardian Angels. So, do you see this approach
Angels. So, do you see this approach working? You're not a police officer,
working? You're not a police officer, but you've helped out in situations.
but you've helped out in situations. >> Lauron, boy, another fantasy that's not
>> Lauron, boy, another fantasy that's not real. Eugene, Oregon. Have you ever been
real. Eugene, Oregon. Have you ever been to Eugene? I've been to Eugene. Come on.
to Eugene? I've been to Eugene. Come on. This is New York City. We have so many
This is New York City. We have so many emotionally disturbed persons that are
emotionally disturbed persons that are in need of help. I will tell you this,
in need of help. I will tell you this, Andrew. You closed the mental health
Andrew. You closed the mental health beds that were taking care of them.
beds that were taking care of them. 40,000 when you came into office down to
40,000 when you came into office down to 4,000 because of your cuts which forced
4,000 because of your cuts which forced these people to live in the streets in
these people to live in the streets in the parks and the subways. These people
the parks and the subways. These people need to be removed. They need mental
need to be removed. They need mental health care. We need to make our
health care. We need to make our shelters safe. I've been in onethird of
shelters safe. I've been in onethird of the 300 shelters run by the Department
the 300 shelters run by the Department of Homeless Services. It's Darwinian
of Homeless Services. It's Darwinian there. Survival of the fittest. If we
there. Survival of the fittest. If we can make
can make >> I really do mean it when I say that this
>> I really do mean it when I say that this guy should have a role in Mani's uh
guy should have a role in Mani's uh administration. I think mommy should
administration. I think mommy should reach out an open hand. there's he I
reach out an open hand. there's he I feel like it would be both politically
feel like it would be both politically advantageous and also genuinely good for
advantageous and also genuinely good for the city to have this guy as some kind
the city to have this guy as some kind of um I don't know what role exactly I
of um I don't know what role exactly I feel like there is a role for him
feel like there is a role for him >> our shelter system safe we can get men
>> our shelter system safe we can get men and women who are homeless in there
and women who are homeless in there especially veterans who are not giving
especially veterans who are not giving any attention to who we put out in Wards
any attention to who we put out in Wards Island at 10:00 at night released during
Island at 10:00 at night released during the day don't give any training
the day don't give any training >> yeah I saw that Amy Schumer just
>> yeah I saw that Amy Schumer just endorsed Cuomo I saw saw that. Yeah.
endorsed Cuomo I saw saw that. Yeah. >> Have them roam about. And obviously when
>> Have them roam about. And obviously when you have nothing,
you have nothing, >> she's why she's why Chuck has been
>> she's why she's why Chuck has been hesitant to to endorse Mandani. You
hesitant to to endorse Mandani. You know, he doesn't want to let down his uh
know, he doesn't want to let down his uh How are they related again? Is it like a
How are they related again? Is it like a niece situation? Great niece. I have no
niece situation? Great niece. I have no idea what the relation is there. Cousin,
idea what the relation is there. Cousin, not cousin. They're nowhere near the
not cousin. They're nowhere near the same age. Second cousin. Huh. Okay.
same age. Second cousin. Huh. Okay. >> To do you end up getting into trouble.
>> To do you end up getting into trouble. This is a disastrous homeless and
This is a disastrous homeless and emotionally disturbed plan that we have
emotionally disturbed plan that we have in New York City and I'm the mayor that
in New York City and I'm the mayor that can change it because I deal with them
can change it because I deal with them every day in the streets, in the parks,
every day in the streets, in the parks, in the subway.
in the subway. >> Cousins don't have to be the same age.
>> Cousins don't have to be the same age. Yeah, I guess that's true. I just always
Yeah, I guess that's true. I just always think I'm I'm like around the same age
think I'm I'm like around the same age as all of my cousins, so I guess I
as all of my cousins, so I guess I didn't Well, maybe not anymore,
didn't Well, maybe not anymore, actually. Yeah.
actually. Yeah. >> Mr. Cuomo, do you think that the NYPD
>> Mr. Cuomo, do you think that the NYPD handles these calls for emotionally
handles these calls for emotionally disturbed people in distress well? Is
disturbed people in distress well? Is this is there room for something in the
this is there room for something in the middle? Yeah, I think uh the assemblyman
middle? Yeah, I think uh the assemblyman deals in theory there's an advantage
deals in theory there's an advantage when you actually have experience. I've
when you actually have experience. I've run homeless programs. I ran the
run homeless programs. I ran the homeless programs for the federal
homeless programs for the federal government. I've worked with cities all
government. I've worked with cities all across the nation. When you get a call
across the nation. When you get a call on a telephone about a mentally ill
on a telephone about a mentally ill person who may be violent, uh it is a
person who may be violent, uh it is a very dangerous situation and I think you
very dangerous situation and I think you should have a mental health worker
should have a mental health worker accompanied with a police officer
accompanied with a police officer because these can be explosive
because these can be explosive situations. I have been in situations
situations. I have been in situations that seemed apparently calm and fine and
that seemed apparently calm and fine and then erupted into violence very quickly.
then erupted into violence very quickly. Zeron has said this for one, but also
Zeron has said this for one, but also like again the idea that you need
like again the idea that you need somebody in [ __ ] full plate Kevlar
somebody in [ __ ] full plate Kevlar with 70 guns on him uh anytime anything
with 70 guns on him uh anytime anything happens anywhere is [ __ ] insane. Like
happens anywhere is [ __ ] insane. Like we we we are living in one of the safest
we we we are living in one of the safest eras of human history. Like that every
eras of human history. Like that every single interaction needs to be moderated
single interaction needs to be moderated by like a [ __ ] SWAT team guy. It's
by like a [ __ ] SWAT team guy. It's it's ridiculous. It
it's ridiculous. It >> got very dangerous very quickly. So, I
>> got very dangerous very quickly. So, I would have a social worker with a police
would have a social worker with a police officer and get the people off the
officer and get the people off the streets. That's the humane thing. And
streets. That's the humane thing. And get them the care they need. Uh, not the
get them the care they need. Uh, not the instit not institutionalized 40,000
instit not institutionalized 40,000 people again. We have supportive housing
people again. We have supportive housing now, which is what we use and forensic
now, which is what we use and forensic beds for people who need them.
beds for people who need them. >> Let me get this straight. Uh, a police
>> Let me get this straight. Uh, a police officer is there first. He has to wait
officer is there first. He has to wait for the arrival of a mental health.
for the arrival of a mental health. >> I would send them as a team. as a team
>> I would send them as a team. as a team and but that's not how that's not
and but that's not how that's not realistic. You're dealing with fantasy
realistic. You're dealing with fantasy also. The police officers are going to
also. The police officers are going to be the first one on the scene and
be the first one on the scene and they're always going to have to deal
they're always going to have to deal with it first and for says that he has
with it first and for says that he has experience running homeless programs.
experience running homeless programs. What he has experience doing is cutting
What he has experience doing is cutting funding for the very programs that
funding for the very programs that prevented homelessness here in New York
prevented homelessness here in New York City. As the governor, he cut funding
City. As the governor, he cut funding for the advantage program, which was
for the advantage program, which was putting New Yorkers who had otherwise
putting New Yorkers who had otherwise been in shelters, otherwise been
been in shelters, otherwise been homeless into apartments. I met one of
homeless into apartments. I met one of those York Mr. Cuomo told me how that
those York Mr. Cuomo told me how that pushed her out.
pushed her out. >> Thank you, Mr. Mundi. Brief response,
>> Thank you, Mr. Mundi. Brief response, Mr.
Mr. >> He's talking about a program 14 years
>> He's talking about a program 14 years ago that was a pilot program that had a
ago that was a pilot program that had a work requirement. It was very
work requirement. It was very controversial. It was $65 million. Uh
controversial. It was $65 million. Uh >> you're talking about advantage, just so
>> you're talking about advantage, just so we know.
we know. >> 40. It was 14 years ago, 65 million. I
>> 40. It was 14 years ago, 65 million. I added billions to the homeless budget.
added billions to the homeless budget. Funded the homeless budget larger than
Funded the homeless budget larger than any governor in history.
any governor in history. >> Okay. Okay. Thank you. We want to talk
>> Okay. Okay. Thank you. We want to talk about cut that program. Homelessness
about cut that program. Homelessness skyrocketed after we announced this 14
skyrocketed after we announced this 14 years ago.
years ago. >> All right.
>> All right. >> It was during the Bloomberg
>> It was during the Bloomberg administration and yes. Okay.
administration and yes. Okay. >> Okay. It wasn't even last year back
>> Okay. It wasn't even last year back then.
then. >> Climate change.
>> Climate change. >> As New York City confronts the impact of
>> As New York City confronts the impact of climate change. One issue already on the
climate change. One issue already on the desk of the next mayor is local law 97.
desk of the next mayor is local law 97. It's passed in 2019. The law requires
It's passed in 2019. The law requires large buildings to gradually reduce
large buildings to gradually reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2030. that
greenhouse gas emissions by 2030. that may require very expensive upgrades to
may require very expensive upgrades to buildings which some landlords and co-op
buildings which some landlords and co-op owners say they just simply can't
owners say they just simply can't afford. We're wondering how each of you
afford. We're wondering how each of you would enforce the law. You have 30
would enforce the law. You have 30 seconds, Mr. Cuomo.
seconds, Mr. Cuomo. Local law 97, I support uh implementing
Local law 97, I support uh implementing the law is going to be the key because
the law is going to be the key because it has to be done in a way that isn't so
it has to be done in a way that isn't so disruptive to businesses and residences
disruptive to businesses and residences that they just give up and pay the fine
that they just give up and pay the fine and don't even try to comply. which is
and don't even try to comply. which is what is going to happen now. It will be
what is going to happen now. It will be cheaper for them to pay the fine than
cheaper for them to pay the fine than comply and that obviously will
comply and that obviously will accomplish nothing. So yes, I support
accomplish nothing. So yes, I support the law. Yes, uh we have to implement
the law. Yes, uh we have to implement it, but we have to implement it in a way
it, but we have to implement it in a way that is feasible.
that is feasible. >> Thank you, Mr. Clo. Mr. Leewell,
>> Thank you, Mr. Clo. Mr. Leewell, >> Local 97 will destroy those people who
>> Local 97 will destroy those people who have invested in co-ops and condos.
have invested in co-ops and condos. There's 100,000. It's forcing them to
There's 100,000. It's forcing them to electrify. Now you, Andrew Cuom, took
electrify. Now you, Andrew Cuom, took Indian Point offline, 25% of our
Indian Point offline, 25% of our electrical capacity with no replacement,
electrical capacity with no replacement, which has caused skyrocketing
which has caused skyrocketing electricity bills. And now we're going
electricity bills. And now we're going to force condo and co-op owners to
to force condo and co-op owners to electrify. Maintenance fees will go up
electrify. Maintenance fees will go up 30%. These people will be leaving their
30%. These people will be leaving their condos and co-ops. They need relief.
condos and co-ops. They need relief. When I'm mayor, I slow that process
When I'm mayor, I slow that process down. We need our co-op owners and and
down. We need our co-op owners and and condo owners to stay here in New York
condo owners to stay here in New York City and point.
City and point. >> Yeah. Uh Indian Point was started before
>> Yeah. Uh Indian Point was started before me. It was a very dangerous situation.
me. It was a very dangerous situation. We have nuclear facilities upstate and I
We have nuclear facilities upstate and I my proposal and what I did is run cables
my proposal and what I did is run cables from the nuclear facilities upstate to
from the nuclear facilities upstate to bring the power to downstate. Uh Indian
bring the power to downstate. Uh Indian Point was in it had 20 million people in
Point was in it had 20 million people in the kill zone.
the kill zone. >> Thank you, Mr. Cuomo. Mr. Mr. Mani,
>> Thank you, Mr. Cuomo. Mr. Mr. Mani, local law 97. How would you enforce the
local law 97. How would you enforce the law as mayor?
law as mayor? >> I support the law and I would also make
>> I support the law and I would also make it easier for condo and co-op owners to
it easier for condo and co-op owners to comply with the law because what I've
comply with the law because what I've heard from so many is that it's cheaper
heard from so many is that it's cheaper to pay the fine than to actually get
to pay the fine than to actually get into compliance. And I think the city
into compliance. And I think the city has a role here in procurement at a
has a role here in procurement at a large scale of so much of what is
large scale of so much of what is necessary in these infrastructure
necessary in these infrastructure investments. We've seen it be done in
investments. We've seen it be done in the clean energy challenge within NICHA.
the clean energy challenge within NICHA. It's time to do it right here in New
It's time to do it right here in New York City to assist those condo and
York City to assist those condo and co-op owners in meeting the standards we
co-op owners in meeting the standards we desperately need to hit.
desperately need to hit. >> Okay, gentlemen. New York City.
>> Okay, gentlemen. New York City. >> Seriously, I I'm sorry. I It's been a
>> Seriously, I I'm sorry. I It's been a long debate. I'm trying to absorb as
long debate. I'm trying to absorb as much as I can. He cuts through every
much as I can. He cuts through every time, man. Like uh like through the fog,
time, man. Like uh like through the fog, you know, with the other two, there's
you know, with the other two, there's just so much [ __ ] so much like measma,
just so much [ __ ] so much like measma, so much mental baggage, and every time
so much mental baggage, and every time he just I don't know how he does it
he just I don't know how he does it genuinely. I have no idea what what
genuinely. I have no idea what what drugs he's on. I I I have no idea how he
drugs he's on. I I I have no idea how he does it. loves its parades and the mayor
does it. loves its parades and the mayor is often front and center. You have all
is often front and center. You have all said that you want to be mayor for all
said that you want to be mayor for all New Yorkers. So, will you march in all
New Yorkers. So, will you march in all the parades that mayors have
the parades that mayors have traditionally marched in or are there
traditionally marched in or are there any that you would boycott? Mr. SWA,
any that you would boycott? Mr. SWA, >> I think a mayor has a responsibility
>> I think a mayor has a responsibility whenever possible to march in parades to
whenever possible to march in parades to celebrate whatever that parade is uh
celebrate whatever that parade is uh performing as. I've been a grand marshal
performing as. I've been a grand marshal of the Palaski Day parade. that was
of the Palaski Day parade. that was proud to celebrate any boycott though. I
proud to celebrate any boycott though. I just need to move this along. All right.
just need to move this along. All right. Excuse me.
Excuse me. >> Would you boycott any of the city's
>> Would you boycott any of the city's parades?
parades? >> No, I would not boycott any parades.
>> No, I would not boycott any parades. It's the mayor's responsibility to be
It's the mayor's responsibility to be available to all racial, ethnic, and
available to all racial, ethnic, and religious groups.
religious groups. >> No, I wouldn't unless they
>> No, I wouldn't unless they discriminated.
discriminated. >> Okay. Well,
>> Okay. Well, >> Mr. Manny,
>> Mr. Manny, >> there are many parades that I would not
>> there are many parades that I would not be attending because I'd be focusing on
be attending because I'd be focusing on the work of leading this city.
the work of leading this city. >> Which parades? Which one?
>> Which parades? Which one? >> I've already missed a number of those
>> I've already missed a number of those parades because I've been trying to
parades because I've been trying to speak to as many as possible. Okay. I
speak to as many as possible. Okay. I >> I don't have the list of all the parades
>> I don't have the list of all the parades I've missed.
I've missed. >> Wow, that's a lot. I may or should be
>> Wow, that's a lot. I may or should be going to all parades.
going to all parades. >> Let me ask you this. Are there any
>> Let me ask you this. Are there any parades?
parades? >> There's a lot of parades in New York
>> There's a lot of parades in New York City. A little disingenuous.
City. A little disingenuous. >> That don't exist that you think should.
>> That don't exist that you think should. Mr. Mani,
Mr. Mani, >> I I haven't thought much about parades
>> I I haven't thought much about parades to be honest with you,
to be honest with you, >> Mr. Cuomo.
>> Mr. Cuomo. >> I have not thought I I don't even know
>> I have not thought I I don't even know what parade doesn't exist. Frankly,
what parade doesn't exist. Frankly, could be for any
Slaywa's never missed a parade in his life, honestly. Yeah, I think I feel
life, honestly. Yeah, I think I feel like this is one he takes cuz he's
like this is one he takes cuz he's literally always on the street. Siwa, he
literally always on the street. Siwa, he he should he should be It's like every
he should he should be It's like every parade he's ever attended. You know,
parade he's ever attended. You know, he's got like a encyclopedic memory of
he's got like a encyclopedic memory of every single one.
every single one. >> Anything Mr. SWA?
>> Anything Mr. SWA? >> Uh, every parade has the right to exist
>> Uh, every parade has the right to exist in New York City. I would ask you, Mama,
in New York City. I would ask you, Mama, would
would >> would you protect the Christopher
>> would you protect the Christopher Columbus statues that exist here in the
Columbus statues that exist here in the city?
city? >> I'm telling you, my focus is on
>> I'm telling you, my focus is on affordability. I'm not thinking about
affordability. I'm not thinking about >> You're not answering the question. Thank
>> You're not answering the question. Thank you. You're not answering.
you. You're not answering. >> We have gave the finger to the Columbus
>> We have gave the finger to the Columbus Day issues come up.
Day issues come up. >> That's what we call a disc.
>> That's what we call a disc. >> Listen, we're in the last couple minutes
>> Listen, we're in the last couple minutes and we thought we some questions.
and we thought we some questions. >> We thought we have some questions that
>> We thought we have some questions that maybe give a glimpse into your life,
maybe give a glimpse into your life, your personality away from the political
your personality away from the political podium. What's your go-to breakfast
podium. What's your go-to breakfast order at the bodega, Mr. Siwa?
order at the bodega, Mr. Siwa? >> Oh, eggs and cheese on a roll. No salt,
>> Oh, eggs and cheese on a roll. No salt, please.
please. >> Mr. Cuomo, same thing. No salt, also.
>> Mr. Cuomo, same thing. No salt, also. >> Really?
>> Really? [ __ ] They should have pitched the
[ __ ] They should have pitched the question to Quuomo first.
question to Quuomo first. >> Mr. Mumdani.
>> Mr. Mumdani. >> Egg and cheese on a roll with jalapenos.
>> Egg and cheese on a roll with jalapenos. >> Yum.
>> Yum. >> Have you ever purchased anything in a
>> Have you ever purchased anything in a cannabis shop? And if so, what did you
cannabis shop? And if so, what did you buy? Mr. Mumdani.
buy? Mr. Mumdani. >> Nice try, F. I have
>> Nice try, F. I have I have purchased marijuana at a legal
I have purchased marijuana at a legal cannabis shop.
cannabis shop. >> Okay. Mr. Cuomo.
>> Okay. Mr. Cuomo. >> No. Mr. SWA.
>> No. Mr. SWA. >> Uh, when I was shot five times, I've had
>> Uh, when I was shot five times, I've had Crohn's disease, I did use medical
Crohn's disease, I did use medical marijuana. Yes.
marijuana. Yes. >> Okay. In a dream scenario, we know it's
>> Okay. In a dream scenario, we know it's not possible, but the Mets are playing
not possible, but the Mets are playing game seven of the World Series. On the
game seven of the World Series. On the same night as the Knicks are playing
same night as the Knicks are playing game seven of the NBA championship, and
game seven of the NBA championship, and you can only go to one. Which one will
you can only go to one. Which one will it be, Mr. Slewa? again. Which baseball
it be, Mr. Slewa? again. Which baseball team?
team? >> This is the Mets game seven. Knicks game
>> This is the Mets game seven. Knicks game seven. Even
seven. Even >> uh I'm not going to the Mets game. I'm a
>> uh I'm not going to the Mets game. I'm a Yankee fan. True baseball fans either
Yankee fan. True baseball fans either like one or the other. I'm going to the
like one or the other. I'm going to the Knicks game. That's my team. The Knicks.
Knicks game. That's my team. The Knicks. >> Mr. Quo,
>> Mr. Quo, >> I'm going to go half and half. I can
>> I'm going to go half and half. I can make you back.
make you back. >> Oh my god, Mr. Rob. This is what
>> Oh my god, Mr. Rob. This is what >> it's like if you make a joke like every
>> it's like if you make a joke like every time the guy who doesn't Oh my god.
time the guy who doesn't Oh my god. >> Workers are sick of just pick a team.
>> Workers are sick of just pick a team. I'd be there for the Knicks.
I'd be there for the Knicks. >> Okay. Well, let there's a lot of ground
>> Okay. Well, let there's a lot of ground covered. We'll leave it on that light
covered. We'll leave it on that light note. Thank you candidates for a
note. Thank you candidates for a spirited debate. We thank you as well.
spirited debate. We thank you as well. We hope you got a lot out of it. New
We hope you got a lot out of it. New York City viewers, New York City voters.
York City viewers, New York City voters. The New York City Campaign Finance
The New York City Campaign Finance Board, we thank heartily and we urge you
Board, we thank heartily and we urge you to check out their website,
to check out their website, nycvotes.org.
nycvotes.org. From all of us here, we certainly thank
From all of us here, we certainly thank you for watching and remember, go vote
you for watching and remember, go vote on Tuesday, November 4th. Have a good
on Tuesday, November 4th. Have a good night.
night. >> Defending Christopher Columbus, a hell
>> Defending Christopher Columbus, a hell of a thing to fall back on. And she's
of a thing to fall back on. And she's funny that Cuomo did it, too. You know
funny that Cuomo did it, too. You know what I mean? like you would expect it
what I mean? like you would expect it from Slaywa because he is again a
from Slaywa because he is again a Republican but Cuomo I don't even know
Republican but Cuomo I don't even know what voter block Cuomo is trying to
what voter block Cuomo is trying to appeal to apart from his own [ __ ]
appeal to apart from his own [ __ ] donors. Okay,
donors. Okay, that was uh that was genuinely there
that was uh that was genuinely there that was that was psychotic. The whole
that was that was psychotic. The whole thing was psychotic. I did not expect it
thing was psychotic. I did not expect it to be that much
to be that much uh that break neck. You know, clearly
uh that break neck. You know, clearly Sleighwell won. Exceeded expectations.
Sleighwell won. Exceeded expectations. Truly
really it was Yeah. Mani do okay. I thought I thought Mdani
Mani do okay. I thought I thought Mdani did great. Um there were there were a
did great. Um there were there were a couple of points there where he did less
couple of points there where he did less than perfect, but I you know, we're all
than perfect, but I you know, we're all only human. Um that was I that was
only human. Um that was I that was great. you know,
how did it compare to the Democratic primary, the mayoral primary, I I assume
primary, the mayoral primary, I I assume you mean? Um
I I I mean, it it's a different environment here. You know, the stakes
environment here. You know, the stakes are a lot higher here. Cuomo tried a lot
are a lot higher here. Cuomo tried a lot harder here as well. Um I think he came
harder here as well. Um I think he came off awful, but I'm pretty biased. I mean
off awful, but I'm pretty biased. I mean it the the problem is like at the end of
it the the problem is like at the end of the day the only thing people are going
the day the only thing people are going to pull from this they're they're going
to pull from this they're they're going to pull like you know 30 second clips of
to pull like you know 30 second clips of people flubbing or of gotas it's always
people flubbing or of gotas it's always been like that right that's not new um
been like that right that's not new um but yeah no I I I don't think Cuomo came
but yeah no I I I don't think Cuomo came across good at all and of course Mumani
across good at all and of course Mumani had plenty of powerful zingers uh which
had plenty of powerful zingers uh which is all that really matters at the end of
is all that really matters at the end of the day the Hassan stuff is really funny
the day the Hassan stuff is really funny really really really funny I um
It's funny that he engaged with that, too. As the largest leftist streamer who
too. As the largest leftist streamer who has not been condemned by Mamani,
has not been condemned by Mamani, if he brought up the dog, I would piss
if he brought up the dog, I would piss myself. Yeah. Like, do you condemn uh
myself. Yeah. Like, do you condemn uh electroshock torture for for canines,
electroshock torture for for canines, Mr. Mabdani?
He should have really hold his feet to the fire.
I don't think Mamani flubbed anything. No, I don't think he flubbed anything.
No, I don't think he flubbed anything. Um, if anything, actually, I think that
Um, if anything, actually, I think that Mam Dani could have uh been a lot more
Mam Dani could have uh been a lot more aggressive in the uh second half. I
aggressive in the uh second half. I think that would have been better. Um, I
think that would have been better. Um, I But the length of the debate
But the length of the debate makes it really tough to do. Like when
makes it really tough to do. Like when you are two and a half hours in,
you are two and a half hours in, it's almost imp. Like that's so
it's almost imp. Like that's so difficult. So so so difficult to keep
difficult. So so so difficult to keep your to to to keep the energy that high
your to to to keep the energy that high uh when you're going in that far because
uh when you're going in that far because you also don't want to be um
you also don't want to be um you also don't want to be like uh uh
you also don't want to be like uh uh come across as like obsessive. You know
Siwa is a [ __ ] Nazi or all idiots for calling him based [ __ ] [ __ ] that
calling him based [ __ ] [ __ ] that calls the Nazi based. Hey Vos, want to
calls the Nazi based. Hey Vos, want to explain why you're being so endearing to
explain why you're being so endearing to the Nazi who's endorsed by Rudy Giuliani
the Nazi who's endorsed by Rudy Giuliani that had gangs go up and beat up random
that had gangs go up and beat up random brown people in NYC. Um uh Slaywa isn't
brown people in NYC. Um uh Slaywa isn't a Nazi. Siwa is like an old Republican
a Nazi. Siwa is like an old Republican law and order like crime kind of guy,
law and order like crime kind of guy, but he's not a Nazi. Um he he's like
but he's not a Nazi. Um he he's like hasn't he officiated gay weddings? Um he
hasn't he officiated gay weddings? Um he he's definitely at least in some
he's definitely at least in some respects fascistic 100%. Uh the way like
respects fascistic 100%. Uh the way like he he literally does the brown shirting
he he literally does the brown shirting stuff. Um, but he's not really doing it
stuff. Um, but he's not really doing it in service of some greater like
in service of some greater like far-right political project. He's mostly
far-right political project. He's mostly doing it he he he's like a man out of
doing it he he he's like a man out of time. Like he is like the reactionary
time. Like he is like the reactionary response that you would expect to be
response that you would expect to be necessary in an era where the city was
necessary in an era where the city was actually racked by crime, which makes
actually racked by crime, which makes sense because he started doing his brown
sense because he started doing his brown shirting [ __ ] back when um
shirting [ __ ] back when um uh uh back when New York City actually
uh uh back when New York City actually was a lot more overrun by crime. So now
was a lot more overrun by crime. So now it's just a brand I suppose, you know,
it's just a brand I suppose, you know, like yeah, back in the in the 1980s. Um,
like yeah, back in the in the 1980s. Um, obviously not a good person, but I don't
obviously not a good person, but I don't think that he's I don't think he's he's
think that he's I don't think he's he's like motivated by fascism ideologically.
like motivated by fascism ideologically. I don't think he's really pushing for
I don't think he's really pushing for that.
Would you choose him over Cuomo? Um, yeah. Yeah, pretty easily. Yeah, I think
yeah. Yeah, pretty easily. Yeah, I think so. Cuomo is a void. He believes
so. Cuomo is a void. He believes literally nothing. He He is a puppet for
literally nothing. He He is a puppet for whoever gives him money. Siwa actually
whoever gives him money. Siwa actually has principles. This is mattering to me
has principles. This is mattering to me more and more and more, especially after
more and more and more, especially after Fedman. Like especially after Federman.
Fedman. Like especially after Federman. More and more to me, it's it's really
More and more to me, it's it's really really important to actually care about
really important to actually care about the character. I We're not doing the
the character. I We're not doing the like um you know, utilitarian it doesn't
like um you know, utilitarian it doesn't matter if he's evil. What matters is
matter if he's evil. What matters is that he reps the good position because
that he reps the good position because evil people won't rep the good position
evil people won't rep the good position even if they say they will. They'll just
even if they say they will. They'll just do whatever's in their self-interest
do whatever's in their self-interest when they get into power. Like Federman,
when they get into power. Like Federman, like Nuome.
like Nuome. It's why I don't buy the whole like,
It's why I don't buy the whole like, "Yeah, Nome's evil, but he's the only
"Yeah, Nome's evil, but he's the only one who's really fighting or whatever."
one who's really fighting or whatever." Which, no, he he's he's not. He wouldn't
Which, no, he he's he's not. He wouldn't be. He wouldn't be. If he got into
be. He wouldn't be. If he got into power, he would immediately fold to the
power, he would immediately fold to the same corporate interests he always has
same corporate interests he always has been folding to.
So, what would have been Pals with Ernstrong? Maybe.
Slaywalk came off 100% authentic. He is. He I I think he is. I I think he's
He I I think he is. I I think he's really just like that, you know.
Yeah. I don't know, man. Pretty wild debate. I wonder what the big takeaways
debate. I wonder what the big takeaways are going to be, you know, like what the
are going to be, you know, like what the broader reaction is going to be. I still
broader reaction is going to be. I still think that this is a victory for
think that this is a victory for Mumdani, like as a layup. I think this
Mumdani, like as a layup. I think this is an easy one, you know. Um I I I I
is an easy one, you know. Um I I I I don't think this changed that. I don't
don't think this changed that. I don't think it's going to move the needle much
think it's going to move the needle much in either direction, which is usually
in either direction, which is usually the case for debates. usually the case
the case for debates. usually the case for debates.
Bosch, isn't that the same argument people use to not vote for Kamla? Um,
people use to not vote for Kamla? Um, that she would like disingenuously
that she would like disingenuously support the bad policies. Yeah, but in
support the bad policies. Yeah, but in that case, it's the difference between a
that case, it's the difference between a primary and a general, right? I still
primary and a general, right? I still think Kamla would have been better than
think Kamla would have been better than Trump, but those accusations are correct
Trump, but those accusations are correct against Kamla. She is a shiftless piece
against Kamla. She is a shiftless piece of [ __ ] believes in nothing uh
of [ __ ] believes in nothing uh political operative, you know? [ __ ]
political operative, you know? [ __ ] even Hillary Clinton had more principles
even Hillary Clinton had more principles than her. Um Kla Harris like especially
than her. Um Kla Harris like especially in her behavior since losing the
in her behavior since losing the election really revealed how little she
election really revealed how little she believes in anything which is probably
believes in anything which is probably why she was picked as VP for Biden. We
why she was picked as VP for Biden. We are talking about somebody who went from
are talking about somebody who went from you know um uh uh attacking Biden in
you know um uh uh attacking Biden in shifty not shiftless. I know I keep
shifty not shiftless. I know I keep doing that. Um
doing that. Um the uh what what what point am I
the uh what what what point am I bringing up? There was something
bringing up? There was something accusing Biden of something but then
accusing Biden of something but then didn't. What am I why am I blanking on
didn't. What am I why am I blanking on this? That little girl was me. That's
this? That little girl was me. That's right. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, in
right. I'm trying to remember. Yeah, in the primary um
the primary um force busing. That's right. Yeah, it was
force busing. That's right. Yeah, it was it was over forced busing. She didn't
it was over forced busing. She didn't even really resolve that disagreement or
even really resolve that disagreement or like acknowledge it, you know. Um
But yeah, one for for for me between Siwa and Cuomo, it would be 100% Siwa.
Siwa and Cuomo, it would be 100% Siwa. Yeah.
Yeah. Um,
Um, there's also her position on fracking.
there's also her position on fracking. Well, she backtracked in a lot of stuff,
Well, she backtracked in a lot of stuff, you know.
I don't understand you just disappear like that and then pop back up with a
like that and then pop back up with a book to sell. It's difficult to
book to sell. It's difficult to overstate how much they hate us, you
overstate how much they hate us, you know? Really, really difficult. Anyway,
know? Really, really difficult. Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed the um uh I hope
I hope you all enjoyed the um uh I hope you all enjoyed the debate. I certainly
you all enjoyed the debate. I certainly it was more entertaining than I expected
it was more entertaining than I expected it to be, so that's [ __ ] cool. Um I
it to be, so that's [ __ ] cool. Um I didn't expect it to go this long, so I
didn't expect it to go this long, so I think I'm going to read donations
think I'm going to read donations tomorrow. Pulling out the classic really
tomorrow. Pulling out the classic really though. Um that was pretty wild. Yeah,
though. Um that was pretty wild. Yeah, know surprisingly engaging.
Got him again. Everyone, take care. Okay, I'll read these all tomorrow. Have
Okay, I'll read these all tomorrow. Have a wonderful day. Uh, drink water, etc.
a wonderful day. Uh, drink water, etc. See you soon.
See you soon. You said there was going to be more
You said there was going to be more segments. I didn't expect it to be 2 and
segments. I didn't expect it to be 2 and 1/2 hours. I didn't expect it to be 2
1/2 hours. I didn't expect it to be 2 and 1/2 hours. I didn't I I didn't look
and 1/2 hours. I didn't I I didn't look beforehand, but I expected like 90
beforehand, but I expected like 90 minutes, which is usually Pardon me, you
minutes, which is usually Pardon me, you know, but no, it's it's
know, but no, it's it's 4 a.m. here. Lol. Get to sleep. Get to
4 a.m. here. Lol. Get to sleep. Get to sleep. Goodbye.
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