Dr. Steven Greer asserts that the UFO/UAP phenomenon is largely a cover-up for advanced, illegally developed human technology, potentially designed to create a false alien threat to control global populations, rather than evidence of extraterrestrial visitation.
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All right, here we go. Dr. Steven Greer,
welcome back. Famed researcher and
retired emergency medical doctor who now
heads a disclosure project and focuses
on ending the secrecy around UFOs and
UAPs. Welcome back to Vlad TV.
>> Thank you. Great to be here with you.
>> This is actually the first time we're
face to face.
>> I know. It's great. I've been wanting to
meet you for a long time.
>> Oh yeah. Know the last time we did it
remotely, but I had to get in the same
room with you.
>> Yes. Here we are. I'm glad I'm glad you
could come, too.
>> Well, a lot has happened since last time.
time.
>> Oh, boy.
>> So, Trump created a new task force
that's focused on declassifying federal
secrets, including UFOs.
>> And Representative Anna Luna is heading
up this task force, >> right?
>> right?
>> Um, have they released anything so far?
>> Uh, no. And I'm not sure that Trump
created that. That's been organized
under the House Oversight Committee.
Now, President Trump is wanting to
declassify a number of documents uh and
information and there's
everything is still under review from
the White House point of view. The House
Oversight Committee because I personally
have met with uh Miss Luna and Burchette
and and had conversations with
Representative Moscowitz and others. Um
they're have a task force that has a
number of objectives. It's not only
UAPs, other issues. Uh, I think the big
problem I've seen in dealing with them
for the last two or three years or so,
is that there's not a select committee
with subpoena power, which they have to
get and been blocked by some of the bad
actors in the Congress. And number two,
they h don't have the funding for a
specialized staff. So, you need a staff
of people who can become expert in this
area. And if not, you're not going to be
able to know anything. So my experience
there is that we'll go in with briefing
materials that's dispositive evidence
and proof and firsthand witnesses. Other
people who are professional military and
intelligence disinformation operatives
go in and then gaslight them in another
direction. So they you for the most part
these people in Congress mean well but
they don't know where the washroom is.
They don't even know where the landscape
is put out. So, and I [clears throat]
don't see that changing. I know three
years ago when I was brought into the
Senate Intelligence Committee, skiff,
the secure compartmented information
facility where you do exchange sensitive
and top secret information. Those guys
who were at the top of Senate
Intelligence and Armed Services
investigating this hadn't gotten not
gotten anywhere, but the lead guy was
told you can spend 10 or 20% of your
time on this. But his portfolio was
oversight of CIA, NSA, National
Reconnaissance Office that runs all the
secret spy satellites. I mean, come on.
You know, you need a staff, 20, 30
people who drill down on all these the
evidence and get to the bottom of it.
So, it's it's not muscled up to the
extent it has to be. So, what I say is
that there they have two pathways here.
they either get it done right or at
least they open up their inquiry to
firthand whistleblowers like Mr. Barber
and not bring in people who are second,
third, and fourth hand, don't know
anything. Right? So the hearing they had
last a few months ago in the house,
there was no one there who knew anything
about the subject. They were all
secondhand, thirdand speculative um
people who had been with NASA but didn't
know anything. I I know knew a number of
them and I'm going why are these people
testifying? You know, you want someone
who's actually handled the craft,
handled the bodies, been uh operational
on a retrieval team. Um or even like Mr.
Herrera who came across this thing and
almost lost his life by these thugs who
said, "Look, you know, you know, we're
mention this, you're dead." So now,
those are the people who need to be
sworn in
under oath. Uh now the reason I say we
have to have subpoena power is that
if it's in the Congress they can't force
someone to come in right without a subpoena.
subpoena.
They can invite people but the really
high value targets that I have on my
list they got to be subpoenaed and then
if they lie under oath to Congress they
got a problem. Now, the other pathway
which I think is more viable would
require executive orders from the
president and that would be under the
executive branch and law enforcement.
And law enforcement can compel without a
subpoena. You know, if you're brought in
by a federal agent and and asked about
something and you lie, it's a felony.
Point blank. So the the the more
efficient way to do this in my opinion
would be that the House and the Senate
to investigate this refer it to DOJ
because it's criminal activity. We can
prove that and then DOJ
assigns to whatever divisions
people to go out and and do a proper
investigation and pull people in and
interrogate them and if necessary uh get
warrants. no knock warrants to move into
corporate locations and secret
facilities that that I have locations
for and they retrieve the evidence and
proof. So, that is something that could
happen tonight if if we could get uh
executive orders from the president to
do it. So, that's what we're
recommending. There are five executive
orders we've given to them and we'll see
what happens in the next, you know, few
weeks. Well, Cash Patel, the new FBI director,
director,
>> he's been vocal about exposing UFO
secrets and so forth.
>> What's your take on this?
>> Yes, he has, but he's been gas lit by
Lou Alzando and other people that are
professional disinformation operatives.
So, here's where you get into a big
problem. Um, when you have people who
are very well trained to tell part
information and part misinformation
or disinformation and you're not someone
who's an expert in the area, it's so
easy to gaslight them in the wrong way.
for example, consistently the sort of
the nexus of folks doing that uh Lou
Alzando and Chris Melon and you know
people like Jim Semian and others
they'll say well they're a threat. We're
trying to imply the aliens are some kind
of threat. Well, they want people to
believe that because they get more money
for the military-industrial complex.
It's a hoax. But the other thing they'll
say is we don't have anything that flies
like that. Oh, really? Yeah, we do. And
we have had since the 50s, literally
since the 50s. So then you ask the
question, if you put some real information,
information,
you know, this is why I call it the
poison pill. So on the outside of this
poison pill of disinformation
is the sweet truth of some facts and
evidence, but inside the messaging, the
narrative is a total
disinformation narrative designed to
move them off the path of finding what
the real truth is. And I will tell you
the bigger secret here is not about
extraterrestrials. It's about the fact
that there's a covert illegal operation, unconstitutional,
unconstitutional,
that have technologies that can, as I'm
quoting Admiral Wilson, the head of
intelligence joint staff that I briefed,
can do circles around our B2 stealth
bomber, circles around it. So, and those
are human. So, that is a threat to the
US Constitution because of how they're
operating, but it's also a a strategic
threat. And those assets are operating
all over the world. We know they're in
China, they're in Russia, they're in the
Middle East. They've been one was downed
in Iran that we had to retrieve. We have
this from a ring beret source who's read
into that operation. So, you know, what
I tell people is that that's the part of
it they don't want the president and
Congress and the American people to know
because that's the that is the lynch pin
in being able to hoax an alien invasion
or hoax an alien threat, right? And that
is the 70-year plan. We're getting to
the very end, a crescendo of a plan that
was concocted by a bunch of psychopaths
and sociopaths in 1953-54
to eventually, as Verer von Brown, who
invented the rocket of Adolf Hitler
said, create an alien threat to unite
the world around sort of a dystopic
uh totalitarian militaristic
situation. And we're right there, Vlad,
we are right at that happening. And so
what's really worries me and keeps me up
at night. I'll be very blunt is that I
don't see yet the bandwidth in Congress
or in the White House yet to comprehend
the vastness of this problem and how to
discern the information from the disinformation.
disinformation.
And in order to do that, they're going
to have to pull in people
like Mr. Barber and and Don Paul and
these people I know them who have
handled both ends of this. they've
handled the man-made and they've handled
the ones that are uh you know nonhuman
and so they and that has to be unpacked.
Instead, they're listening to people and
saying, "Oh, well, don't look behind
this curtain, right?" So, I liken this
organization keeping the secret to the
Wizard of Oz, you know, and it's this
old crud mud and back there pulling
levers scaling the hell out of Darthy
and scaring the scarecrow and all that.
And and and they're very good at what
they're doing. And because there's not a
professional staffing right now looking
at this either in the White House or
Congress, they're susceptible to that.
And and it's it's you know, a little
I've said to people very high up in
Congress and the administration,
a little knowledge on this is a very
dangerous thing. Extremely dangerous.
You don't want dilotants in there. I
mean, this whole concept of creating a
fake alien invasion to take control of
the world, it's been it's been floating
around. There's something called Project
Blue Beam. >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> Uh and more recently, I remember there
was a comic book I read that later on
became a movie in a series called The Watchmen.
Watchmen.
>> Mhm. where in essentially the the
premise of the comic book was that, you
know, in an alterate, you know, reality,
America and Russia are about to launch
nuclear missiles at each other and one
of these guys, you know, um, Aussie
Mandias basically drops a fake alien in
the middle of Time Square that kills
thousands of people and suddenly
everyone unites and America and Russia
are best friends.
>> Well, the best theme for that was
Independence Day, the movie, right? That
as well, right? That's the one that was
really the hallmark and that was right
out of CIA SCOP, psychological warfare
scripting because it was like the whole
world united around fighting the alien
threat. Now obviously,
you know, it's a sexy movie line. You
know, it works in Hollywood here. You
know, we're, you know, you can be as
dumb as you want to be and make a$2
billion dollar movie, right? But don't
quote me on that. Let me take that out.
But um True. But the but
You know, it's like that that comic Ken
Kenworthy or whatever. I can't fix
stupid. But um [laughter]
so but we have a situation where that narrative
narrative
has already happened.
Here's the litmus test for this. When I
was first starting to do this uh in my
spare time as a emergency doctor, it
came out that I was in involved with I
think it was I'd been on Larry King Live
back in '94 or something like that. And
my kid, my youngest daughter's
uh school teacher wanted me to give a
talk and these are first graders in
North Carolina in Asheville, North
Carolina. and they wanted to have a, you
know, have me come in and present on
this. Now, you have to remember this was
my daughter was six years old. She's 36
now. So, it's 30 years ago.
And the first question out of the mouth
of a babe was, "Yeah, but Dr. Greer,
aren't you afraid that if you go out,
you'll be abducted by the aliens?" Now,
this is a first grader in North Carolina
30 years ago. And at that point, I went
boom, scops have reached saturation.
that between movies and uh entertainment
and the ufology mythology,
everyone thinks that's going on when
it's a CIA scop. All right. I knew that
in the early 90s. I didn't know it until
probably 92 93. And then I had men who
were operational who had been on
man-made UFOs using strange robotic
grays and other creatures to abduct
people for the psychological warfare
value but also to cover up some real
event. So sometimes there would be an
actual ET event or an experimental
aircraft of ours that looked like a UFO
and people would have seen it and what
they would do is create this fake alien
abduction. Same thing with the cattle
mutilations. That's what those are.
>> Mhm. And we've known this for a long
time now. That's not the conventional
wisdom. It's certainly not what someone
like Lou Alzando and those folks would
go in and say. They say, "Oh, no. That's
what the aliens are doing." And they
know damn good and well. It's it's all a scop.
scop.
>> I think the biggest news in this world
was the Jake Barber interview.
>> Oh, yes. I've been working with Mr.
Barber for a couple of years and knew
about his uh operations. Very little of
what he did and knows has come out yet.
Um very very little, but that's for
reasons we can get into. Okay. So Jake
Barber is a Air Force vet and a lot of
the the focus on the story was this
egg-shaped craft. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> That he actually came in contact with. Mhm.
Mhm.
>> This is not someone that was
investigating things and so forth. This
was actually a first person encounter
with some sort of craft.
>> No, he was on the retrieval teams officially.
officially. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Out of uh Delta Force. And th that team
I I I'll let him say where they operate
from. I've been there. They are a team
that are uh contracted to uh participate
in operations to down and retrieve
extraterrestrial vehicles or NHI craft.
So that is what he and his team did. Uh
he was in charge of security and
transport for those special operations
uh out at a couple of black sites out in
the desert. and uh I've been to these
sites and uh so I can speak to you know
more detail about that but that is
actually what he did. It was not an
incidental encounter. He he's was
operational for about 20 years at a
couple of these sites that where that's
going on and you know we've been I've
known of those sites since the early 90s
since before he arrived. And so his operations
operations
uh go back quite some time there. So
he's he became fairly senior uh over the
years and and he's went from being in
the military to then working being set
up in a corporate entity that contracted
um and would sort of work with
government and aerospace companies to
acquire those craft and then get them
downed and then retrieve them so they
could be handed over to be studied uh or
reverse engineered. So it's a it's a
very long and complex story only part of
which is going to come out you know
immediately. We plan the rest of this
year next year it'll all come out.
>> So this particular egg
spaceship I guess
>> is this extraterrestrial? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Or or is it reverse engineered?
>> No, that one was a ET origin. So um the
you know interestingly he he and I talk
about this at some length right now
unless you're very expert in this area.
You're not going to be able to
distinguish between a non-human one and
a reverse engineered one from Lockheed
or Northrup unless you know what to look
for. And even then the the science of of
studying those technologies and aircraft
from other places that has been going on
for 80 years literally 80 years. So 45
to now. So there's been this, you know,
it started out like this, very slow, and
then it boom broke out back around the
mid to late 50s forward. It was a huge
breakout in in how those technologies
operate. And uh people are shocked when
I tell them, you know, I have an intel
source who is the top scientist at the
Naval Research Labs in Washington. It's
the largest Department of Defense lab.
He was in the vault, as it's called,
where a lot of classified things are
kept on this subject. and he saw that it
was uh October 19
54 that we mastered gravity control. So
now imagine you've mastered gravity
control. We were fooling around with it
prior to but you mastered it by then.
Now 54 to now 70 years. So imagine a
70-year technology curve with the
brightest minds, scientific minds in the
world recruited high school, college
into those programs. um and virtually
unlimited black budget funding, right?
Trillions of dollars. So that what is
being flown out there would deceive the
president, Senate Intelligence
Committee, and this is the problem. So
he had he and I have talked about this.
So so Jake Barber and I have had these
long discussions where even for people
expert people like his team, often it's
very hard to distinguish between one and
the other. But this particular object
is an egg-shaped object. Um, those have
been reported for a very long time. Now,
do we have knockoffs that look similar?
Yes. So, any any shape that you would
see that was non-human, we've sort of
done a copycat and that's for a false
flag operations. So, you know, the
public won't know is it real. It's like
the old uh years ago when there used to
be audio tape. Is it real or is it
memorex? Remember that commercial? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Is it real or is it memorex? Is it is it
is it a an original that's non-human
extraterrestrial or is it something that
has been uh a faximile uh that's been
reproduced and and would pretty much
fool anyone who's not quite expert in
the area and and I think in the last 30
years since I've been doing this the the
refinement of that technology at almost
where if you look at uh Michael
Herrera's testimony the marine who
encountered one of these man-made ones
in Indonesia Asia.
Uh, it was so advanced, but then there's
you could tell if you got close to it,
it had seams and parts. It was man-made.
It's a Lockheed platform.
Ones that you see that are triangular,
there are ones that are extraterrestrial
that are triangular. Most of the ones
people see are are my uncle's old
company, North Grumman, or um the uh
Rathon platforms that are triangular.
Uh typically the RAON ones are a little
less equilateral. They're a little more
uh elongated. Um and those if you look
at Steven DNA's testimony, it's up on
our site and we actually have it in our
new book that just came out. I'm going
to show you in a minute. Uh that was at
a level where it was almost had an a
living component. So we went up and
touched it. It kind of purred, reacted.
If you look at his testimony, he was out
here in California at at uh Fort Irwin
in 2000 and that was a Rathon device.
And I would say out of a million people,
all million people would think that was
extraterrestrial and it wasn't. He
subsequently he and his wife were
abducted into it and tortured. But um
you know this the other part of this
whole story that no one gets. I mean you
know the ufology you all the abductions
and mutilations. I say, "Yeah, I've
debriefed about two dozen guys who've
been operational in those programs doing
that." So, you know, I'm sorry if you're
gullible, but wake the up. Excuse
my language, but uh that that ain't
happening by the ETSs. Um, so most of
the information on this is actually part
information spun in with disinformation.
And this is one of the real problems.
And the reason I think it's important to
bring this up is that when you're on
these retrieval teams like Jake was on,
some of them are at a high enough level,
they're only retrieving
uh uh you know, weird things like if
you're if you're on a retrieval team and
you have a B2 stealth go down, okay,
that is one level of clearance, but it's
another world when you start retrieving
the man-made UFOs and the ET things and
so you get cleared slowly into that
level. And I have a number of folks that
we're working with who uh had that same
trajectory. They started out very young
retrieving, you know, a crashed jet, air
force jet or something that had
classified components on it. They all do
sensors and things like that. Be sure
they don't fall into enemy hands. But
then certain people then get cleared
into this other level of exotics or
what's euphemistically called at
advanced technologies. Um but uh but
super advanced exotic technologies.
>> Well, Jake Barber said that he could
actually summon this egg ship with his mind.
mind.
>> Yeah, it's not quite that simple. Um
it's you know as you know in 1990 I
started um the whole C5 contact initiative
initiative
>> using consciousness
interfacing with extraterrestrial
sensors. So, what people don't realize
and they don't think about it is that
you're not going to be able to
communicate with a radio frequency like
your phone across the vastness of space
because it would at the speed of light
which is the speed of a radio frequency
to communicate to the Andromeda galaxy
which is 2 and a half million lighty
years from here. It'd take you two and a
half million years to get that signal
there and another two and a half million
years for the person to answer your call.
call. >> Right?
>> Right?
>> Not going to happen. So when you're
dealing with this is where you get into
strange stuff, right? And the CIA people
call it WSFM. Stands for weird science
and freaking magic. That's literally
what they call it. And my uncle's old
company, I met an engineer, worked on
this weird stuff, and he oh we just call
it PFM, pure magic. Excuse my
language, but I mean that's what they
call it. And the really high-end
engineers in aerospace. So um those
technologies are the heart of the one of
the central things of the secrecy cuz I
accidentally stumbled across that when I
was 18 when I had a contact experience
and uh realized that those communication
systems and those civilizations are
interfacing with not just random thought
and consciousness but in a state of more
expanded awareness and coherent thought
like very like a laser like your
thoughts are boom.
They pick up on that at the speed of
thought which is instantaneous
because the conscious field is actually
omnipresent. It's the ultimate quantum
entangled field meaning that every point
in space and time is integrated into it
and there's no latency in time instant.
>> So you're saying thought is faster than light.
light.
>> Oh yeah, it's instantaneous.
>> Got it.
>> And what is a quant of thought? Can that
be quantified? Yes, it has been and it
is. So the covert programs mirrored what
we were doing for peaceful contact into
a program they call P3 psionic
um operators where they would find
people and put them through a program
training them so that they could become
basically biological machines and it was
brutal. Most of them died ended up in
comas. Uh but the ones that survived
became adept at being able to do that
but in for a hostile reason. They
weren't doing it. The C5 contact I mean
people anyone can do it. You can get the
app C5 contact app is on all the stores.
You can learn to do this and it's for
making peaceful contact. The [snorts]
aerospace industry and intelligence
community said wow let's take this and
turn it into a weapon system. So what
they did was train people to do that
with pretty good reliability,
lock on to an extraterrestrial, say
guidance system, kind of slip in there,
move it into range and hit it with an
electromagnetic pulse weapon, knock it
out of the sky, opposite of what our
purpose is. My purpose is to make
peaceful contact and stop all that
fighting. But the uh intelligence
community, you know, realized this a
long time ago. I understand in the 50s
uh they realized that the technologies
related to extraterrestrial craft and
occupants were very much tied into
uh that field of consciousness. So, one
of the problems that you we're having
with science right now is that
everyone's sort of stuck in the flat
earth society, you know, because no
one's caught up to the 50s yet,
classified technologies. And so, when he
brought this out, people went, gosh,
well, that's what Dr. Ver had been
saying for 35 years. And uh but I knew
it was operational. I mean, remember,
there are a lot of people on my team who are
are
uh they're they're they're former CIA
remote view folks, and you know, there's
a 30-year program where the CIA used
people like Ingo Swan, who's passed
away, a great guy, who would use
consciousness to spy on the Soviet Union
or image something out in space, and
they were actually incredibly accurate.
Uh so I think that's one of the things
when you go from an understanding of the
science of consciousness into applied
physics let's call it um with
communication but also targeting these
objects. That's the really spooky end of
it that it's very upsetting when people
unpack the fact that it's not science
fiction and it's real. Well, one of the
things that Jake mentioned is that he
was actually able to control this this
ship with his mind using psionics and he
talked about how it differed based on
the situation. Like there's a whole
fight orflight aspect to how well he
could control it. Do you understand that
part and can you explain it?
>> Well, what he was referring to, I don't
think it was referring to him being the
operator, but the the ones that are P3
operators. So, let's get clear on that
one. number one and that the P3
operators are put into a training
program. It's rather brutal, but it does
involve drugs, dopamine, uh
electromagnetic systems.
A great many of them end up in a coma or
end up dying.
>> It's very brutal. But one of the
stimulants that heightens your awareness
is is in a a moment if they can induce a
frightened heightened state, you know,
situational awareness like uh the the
whole fight orflight uh dynamic. Um now
certainly in a meditative state, you
don't need that to get to a higher
state, but remember this is the mindset
of a military program. Boom, get it
done, right? Uh, so it's hardly the
integrative program of a meditative
training like I teach, but it's like get
her done by any means. And so if some
people get killed being experimental
guinea pigs in this, too bad. It's
collateral damage. So he's talking about
how when you're in a moment where you're
uh in a in a fight orflight situation,
you all your senses and your
consciousness gets very focused, right?
So it it has it's an augmentation
process that can be induced. Uh and of
course you know I don't recommend it.
It's a terrible thing to do to fellow
human beings in my opinion. But that is
why um so there are many pathways to
getting into that ability and there are
ones some of which are very positive and
great experience for everyone and some
of which are brutal which you would
expect a
hardcore military program run by sociopaths
sociopaths
>> that just want to get something done,
right? And and you know, hey, if there's
collateral damage and people get killed
or injured or commit suicide or
whatever, who cares, right? It's sort of
like when the head of army int the army
intelligence guy, General Steelbine,
took his boys through uh some training
uh programs for consciousness and being
a remote view and a huge percentage of
them committed suicide and and started
doing drugs and became alcoholics and
had mental breakdowns because they
weren't doing it in an integrated way
where they were unfolding naturally
within. It was a very technologically
oriented oriented brutal get it done
way. So you can get that result, right?
I mean, if the goal is by any means
necessary, get this done, right? You can
do it, but look at the human cost. So I
tell people this is not wise, nor is it
humane, but that is an accurate
description what he said of what they
were doing. Um, I have more information
on those programs. Uh, and we have other
people who've been operators in them. Um
and uh you know it's said there even the
way they recruit and bring the people in
you know this is the part where you know
the whistleblower uh Michael Herrera who
saw that operation in Indonesia is this
huge 300t diameter
uh octagonal craft and underneath it was
a platform and there were crates and he
initially when we last did our interview
I just was getting ready to do the
national press club event about a year
and a half ago and Michael Herrera
didn't know that in those crates were
humans being trapped moved around. He
thought it was drugs or something, but
there were little portable oxygen and
HVAC units on it. And so those people
were people who were um going to either
die or starve to death after that
tsunami in Indonesia in 2009. And they
said, "Hey," they went up, these special
operations guys went up and said, "Look,
you can either stay here and die or you
can come with us
and you'll live for now." And then they
would move them into these operations
and and screen them to be beat P3
operators. And the P3 operators, psionic operators,
operators,
um most of those people didn't pass the
testing. Uh but the ones who did then
went into this more brutal program. The
ones who didn't would work in stiffs
subterranean facilities or underground
bases. Uh you know cooking and cleaning
and doing other things. So u it's a
rather disturbing you know uh operation
from start to finish. Although once
they're there in custody let's say
>> um they're apparently treated quite
well. But of course, it's like an
indentured servitude in my mind. I mean,
you you know, people can put whatever
lipstick on that pig. To me, it's it's
trafficking in desperate people and and
and then using them for your own devices.
devices.
>> Well, you mentioned uh Lewis Alzando a
few times. So, there was a second
congressional meeting that happened in I
think November of 2024
>> and Lewis Alzando was one of the four
experts that spoke on this. What exactly
is your issue with Lewis? I well I have
I don't know him and I have no animist
towards him personally at all. I just
know that the top CIA guy in the last 40
years uh who's advises us who's very
clandestine immediately when he surface
said this is the master of
disinformation and these are the things
he's going to be saying that are false.
So what I tell people, I don't have a
problem with anybody, but I have a
problem with someone deliberately
providing false information to
noviceses, people who are just trying to
investigate this with the best of
intentions like Miss Luna and others,
and they are being gaslit and deceived.
That's my problem. But my bigger problem
is that what is the agenda of that
deception? The agenda of the deception
is to get people on the side of an alien threat
threat
to supports the same cabal that's been
keeping the secret, right? And at the
same time present something that would
be much more terrifying than 9/11 or CO
and try to seize control of of people's freedoms
freedoms
under this,
you know, sort of ruse of a threat from
outer space. So long before I got on the
stage doing this, I think that had
already been baked into the cake because
they started abducting people and doing
cattle mutilations in the late 50s and
60s. The first mutilated animal was a
horse named Snippy. And the doctor who
was called in on that hematologist pathologist
pathologist
from uh Denver
was a very good friend of mine. And I
went out to his home and he says that
was absolutely a covert human operation.
But of course then you get people who
write books like Linda Mutenhow, an
alien harvest and they're harvesting
body parts. Yeah, they are. But it's not
ETSs. It's a covert human program.
>> So I think the hardest thing, you know,
that for that I've had to deal with and
I was warned about this in 1991 by an
old CIA hand, a different guy.
He was a character. He was like this
chain smoking looked like the cigarette
man in XFiles and um long hair and and
he said, "Look, the truth about this is
so much stranger than the fiction
uologists believe and that the public
believe. Um and it's going to be the
hardest thing and it's so strange it
covers itself. So, and if you expose the
truth, you will discredit yourself
because no one wants to hear that truth.
They want to hear the narrative we've
been selling since the 50s. And that's
true. I mean, it's so it's a very
frustrating situation. And so my problem
with anyone in this field is that if
they don't know what they're talking
about, they should be quiet. If they do
know what they're talking about and
they're spreading disinformation and
covering up some of the facts of this,
then I have a real problem with them.
And I will call them out. Um, I'd call
out anyone who would go in that
direction, whether it's the president of
the United States or whoever it is,
because you cannot let this happen. If
if this happens, we'd be looking at a
cat catastrophic
global situation.
>> Well, have you spoken to Trump
personally about this?
>> I can't comment on the people I'm
meeting with intimately right now. I
>> can neither confirm nor deny it. No, but
I'll just say that there there are
really good people around him, >> okay,
>> okay,
>> that are uh trying to find out about
this seriously um and sincerely and I
think there's very promising to me
they're very promising developments
if they can if they can stay
uh on track with getting the information
and not be gaslit by the disinformation
because for every person that will go in
and give them the truth of what's going
on like Mr. Barber or Herrera, there'll
be 10 that are actually counter
intelligence and disinformation people
gaslighting them. And that's the
problem. And and how do you have the
discern? Here's the problem. Very busy
people, right? I'm busy as hell. I go
seven days a week, 20 hours a day at
this point. But if you're if you're the
president or the chairman of Senate
Intelligence or whatever it is, you've
got hundred things a day you got to deal
with, you have to have some people who
are experts who are trusted who can
drill down on this and unpack it because
it's too it's way more complicated than
anyone realizes. Uh I mean let's let's
take an example of this. I mean how how
how uh wacky and complicated it is. Um,
you have one of the most famous UFO
cases in history, Cash Landram,
right? You know that case, those of you
who don't know, it's in this book that
just came out. We'll go through that in
a minute. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> And it was considered a near crash
retrieval operation in outside Houston,
north of Houston. And there were three
people, a little boy, 5-year-old boy,
and his mom and his aunt, driving along
a highway. And this UFO comes out,
descends out of the sky, very unstable,
and all kinds of stuff coming out of it.
And they were slathered in radioactive
waste and they suffered severe
radioactive radiation poisoning, had to
be hospitalized.
Um, and that whole area was was sprayed.
They had to dig up and redo that road
twice because of the amount of
radiation. I still think there's a ton
of it out there. Now, that was in the I
think early 80s, mid 80s, something like
that. I 40 years ago. What that actually
was, now of course UFO subculture that
aliens radiated the poor little boy.
Well, not so fast. So, we have an Air
Force intelligence guy who is the
principal investigator of that event
that we have debriefed and we have his
testimony. And that was an ET craft that
they were studying. They could not get
the uh energy system to work. So, they
foolishly put on a portable nuclear
power plant on it to get it going. And
it was headed east out of Nevada and was
headed east and it malfunctioned. It had
a filter, some kind of circulatory
filter system that ruptured and started
spewing all this radioactive waste and
that was and it was there were four
human pilots on it trying to learn how
this thing operated, but it was a
nonhuman craft. Yes, but the energy
system and the pilots were humans trying
to figure out how the thing worked. So,
this was one of these things that went
bad. Now, you can imagine Air Force
intelligence and others would love to
have people think, "Oh, well, that was,
you know, the aliens did that to those
poor people." That that's one example of
which there are thousands. So, when they
screw up like that, they're going to be
happy to say, "Oh, the aliens did it."
It's like if somebody farts and there's
a baby in the room, oh, the baby farted.
Right? [laughter]
So, sorry to be so crass, but you know,
the fact is that happens all the time in
this subject. who you have to go to
firsthand sources like in this case we
have the testimony of the PI the
principal investigator of that event now
that takes a lot of work you know if
you're just sort of a hobbyist on this
or you're someone in Congress who has
two hours a week or no two hours a month
to drill down on this you're going to be
in a lot of trouble very quickly
misinterpreting things so I think we
have to the people have to insist you're
going to do this. It's a big story,
biggest story in human history, frankly,
and a huge national security issue. Got
to do it right. You cannot do it
halfway. Now, Congress so far doesn't
have the tools to do that. They almost
got them a little over a year ago. And
there was the, you know, the Senate
passed a great bill that would have had
an amnesty safe harbor period for these
whistleblowers we have. And you know I
have 760 plus whistleblowers. [sighs]
[sighs]
But we went over to the house for
reconciliation. It was part of the
defense funding bill. The National
Defense Authorization Act. It was called NDAA.
NDAA.
It went out of the provisions for
amnesty or safe harbor were unanimously
passed out of Senate Intelligence. And I
actually helped with the folks who were
putting that together quietly behind the
scenes writing it. And so it then went
over to the House, passed the Senate
uni, not unanimously, but overwhelmingly
went to the House and there were some
people who killed it, you know, and
there was, you know, Congressman Turner
of the House Intelligence Committee and
and Mike Rogers of of the uh Armed
Services Committee in the House and some
other people killed that thing, ripped
those provisions out and stripped it of
anything meaningful. So we then
concluded and I told Jake and other
people who are see a lot of the guys
I've been working with are sitting in
the wings waiting for something to
happen that protects them. They need
legal protections because many of them
have been in operations that are
illegal. They need physical protection
because there are wet works or
assassination targeted killings that
have been authorized against people. And
I know he has had someone on his team
killed. I've had people on my team
killed over the years. So until that
happens, you're out here naked. We're
uncovered. Very dangerous. So for people
to expect all this to get dealt with,
but gee, the government doesn't, they
haven't even figured out that there was
lethal force used against highv value
whistleblowers until that kind of gets
through the Congress or an executive
order. The president could do this with
a stroke of pen. No question.
Absolutely. president has the power to
authorize full investigation and DOJ to
provide immunity or amnesty transa in
other words they'd have to come clean on
everything right but that's what we're
recommending because there are some very
high value w whistleblowers who've
approached us who who want to do it but
right now there's no we're not
protecting them and these people are
patriotic like Jake and his guys are
very patriotic Well, outside of Lewis
Alzando, other people actually spoke at
this uh second congressional meeting.
>> Um, one of which was Michael Shelonburgger.
Shelonburgger. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Uh, who's an independent journalist and
he claims that informing gave him a
secret 12-page document
>> that went over Immaculate Constellation,
which is reverse engineering of UFOs. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> Uh, can you explain this?
>> Well, that that was one compartmented
code name, right? that that he had
information on. He wasn't involved in
those projects. I would say what you
want to do is go from there to getting
full investigatory powers to drill down
on who was doing the rever. We know
where they are and and what kind of data
ended up getting, you know, retrieved.
So yes, I mean that's fine, but again it
wasn't someone who was directly boots on
the ground uh scientist handling the
material uh etc. So that's what we would
want and uh I think the other gentleman,
Mr. Gold, uh just has looked into it
just right casually. Um
>> you had Michael Gold, a former NASA
associate administrator of space policy
and partnership and also a member of
NASA's UAP independent study team.
>> So he testified as well.
>> Yes. But he didn't know anything. Okay.
I mean, and and I met with him privately
and and you know, he admitted that they
basically closed that task force because
they didn't have people that had were
staffed to go out and gather all this
information. So, uh, what good does
that? So why do you know this is the
other thing I said to Bett why do you
have Congressman Burchchett why do you
want people here who admit they don't
have anything when I have I've I've told
you that there are all these people who
will go up there today who handle the
materials there's something not right
with this picture I'm I'm calling them
out right now and I haven't done this
yet is that get serious or go home right
but somebody needs to get serious about
this because I think all this is going
to come out in the next year or two and
when it does, it's got to come out
properly. You know, one person very
close to the intelligence community told
me after the election, he said, "If this
comes out the way it's being directed
now, it'll be a thousand times worse
than COVID. It'd be a global catastrophe."
catastrophe."
So, there's there's there's a thousand
ways this goes wrong. there's one way
that it can go out come out correctly
and not end up in panic and you know
false wars and and all kinds of
problems. Um and it has to be very
seriously looked at by some people who
with the acumen and expertise to know
you know what's the strategic pathway
out of this mess. And I think one of
them is there are a lot of people in
these covert programs really want to
come forward. They do. Just like there
are a whole bunch of people like that,
but there's not a path for them now yet
that's safe.
>> Well, the other person that was at this
hearing uh was Tim uh Galudet. >> Galaudet.
>> Galaudet.
>> Galaudet, right? Who was a retired rear
admiral with the US Navy. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Now, is this someone who knew what they
were talking about?
>> My understanding is that he's also sort
of an operative. Okay. Yeah.
uh like like Lou and you know there look
these guys have their slice of here's
what you're supposed to do and say um
and and there too I I think it's much
better if you pull in people who are
more the boots on the ground guys you
know um rather than folks who have a
questionable agenda
and that hasn't happened yet I have not
seen a single person except the people I
will say this
the Senate Armed Services and
intelligence committee have met with
some very excellent serious people that
we have brought in and some other and
some from other sources that they have
privately provided information and then at least
at least
back until about a year ago. We would
then take them over they would take them
over after I handed them off and and
would take them over to the to the
Senate. They would then be taken over to
the uh uh AROW office at the Pentagon.
But of course, that ended up being a
total storefront fraud. Um that just
covered up all their testimony as you
know. Or if you don't, we'll talk about that.
that.
>> Well, this was the second congressional
meeting. The first one happened in 2023.
>> And uh David Grush essentially led the charge
charge
>> in that first hearing.
>> Um what's your take on David Grush? Oh,
well I think you know he his first of
all I I met with him when he was
undercover and provided information to
his bosses and him on this and that's
how they were able to get to a lot of
the information he found. But again he's
a secondhand witness. He was not a
primary person. Now he got ended up
meeting primaries. Okay. So after there
was enough actionable intelligence of
where who you know where the locations
of these uh
facilities and secret bases and stuff
and he did so but here's a caveat.
He ended up going over and was kind of
intercepted by Lu Alzando. And then he
started telling tall tales about aliens
blowing up villages
uh in South America or Africa and stuff,
things he was not read onto. And and so
here's one of the problems.
The whole ufology
ma that whole environment is sort of a
snake pit or a sand trap where people
just get pulled in. And so what he's
talked about I know for a fact he was
speaking the truth about that that there
were these facilities that we have
reverse engineered the craft all of that
100% correct where I have a problem and
this I've talked to my own
whistleblowers about this
stay in is stay with what you directly
know don't start getting stuff secondhand
secondhand
and then and speaking on it as if it's
something you have firsthand knowledge
of. So I'm very, you know, I'm a doctor.
I'm a scientist. I've been doing this
for 35 years. That's where you go
sideways, right? So, so your your
question is a good one, but it doesn't
have a simple answer. The answer is yes.
The core of what he spoke to that he
investigated directly. Correct. much of
what was said that that was peripheral
that he picked up from the culture,
let's say, of these folks who
intercepted him who are slick disinformation
disinformation
people who are very well trained. That
is where he got in trouble. And so, um,
now the reason so many people hate me is
that I call that out. I go, "No, that
was correct. That's not correct." Um,
and you know, and it's someone's got to
do that. I mean otherwise the public and
the Congress who don't know anything
about the subject are going to keep
getting this bad mix of good information
with toxic disinformation that's
designed to take the narrative into the
alien threat world. were designed to
take it into some other direction that
serves the military-industrial complex
and this sort of global uh effort of
people who want to you know you know
kind of the Independence Day theme.
Let's unite the world around an alien
threat this sort of idiotic narrative.
>> Well, after the first congressional
meeting, the Pentagon actually went
through the report and announced that
there was no evidence of any alien
technology in the report.
Total nonsense. Um, and the you're
talking about the Pentagon report. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, Dr. Kurpatre, who is the head of
Arrow, is uh has committed multiple felonies,
felonies,
and I'm making a statement here. It's a
strong statement. Uh, and I can tell you
there are firsthand people corroborating
this. So, we have and you'll see it in
in our archive, the Disclosure Project
Intelligence Archive, free to anyone who
wants to get in there, DPICHive.com.
Um, 35 years of evidence and information
in there. Nobody reads it because nobody
reads. It's politically incorrect to
read. But if you still read, it's all in
there. Now, what you'll find is there
was a letter from the chair and co-chair
of Senate Intelligence Committee castigating
castigating
Arrow and Dr. Kurpatre because they knew
he was sanitizing his reports of the
actual evidence and testimony of people
like Michael Herrera. They later issued
a public report without naming Herrera
and totally falsified what he said that
was. They said he saw an
extraterrestrial vehicle when he clearly
said it was man-made staffed with people
that look like special projects, humans,
some kind of special operations group,
uh, but private. They didn't have any
military insignia. So, this has
happened. I And here's the problem. He
didn't know this. A lot of the people
who were brought through and referred
over from Senate Intel and Armed
Services were guys I brought there, but
he didn't know that. And we were
watching. And so the things they shared
in the skiff,
you know, couldn't come out, right? But
I knew because I was their original
debriefer. And so bang, this got
reported back to the chairs of the
committee and they wrote this letter,
you know, admonishing, but that
continued and continued and continued.
uh so much so there's a man who received
multi-million dollar contract I've met
with recently
and he had set up uh sensors and uh
tracking daytime radar signals
intelligence photographic of these UAPs
and he had about one and a half
terabytes of data gave it over to Arrow
and to Dr. Kpatrick and it vanished. The
new director can't even find it. It was
never provided over to the oversight
committees. This is something we're in
the process of fixing. So, you cannot be
set up and receive millions of dollars
in taxpayers funding with the mandate to
honestly investigate something and then
end up being a coverup artist, which is
what Dr. Kurp did. This is why mo most
of the whistleblowers I know wouldn't
touch that office with a 10-ft pole
because the people over the last three
years that we brought through there saw
how their evidence and testimony was
either covered up or distorted
deliberately distorted factually
distorted and and that is a felony
because you're reporting falsely back to
the Congress and there's a law mandating
here's what you're doing. So, and this
is why, you know, I tell talk to some of
the people in law enforcement federally,
I go, "Hello, anyone want to enforce the
law, right? Because if I were to pull a
stunt like that, I'd be in I'd be in
shackles, right? So, why why are these
bad actors immune
uh from lying to Congress, falsifying
reports, whatever it is?" So, uh that's
a big problem. So whatever you know they
what how do you know they're lying? I
learned this in 1993 after I briefed the
director of the CIA
their lips are moving in Washington
these people. How do you know they're
lying? Their lips are moving. So on this
subject you know I'm sorry I sound so
cynical but you know I'm too old and too
tired to pretend that it's just not a
bunch of chicainery.
>> Well Netflix had a series called
Investigation Alien. It was saw it,
never heard of it.
>> It was hosted by journalist George Knap.
And one of the the big things in terms
of the focus on the series was this
jellyfish UFO video from Iraq.
>> You know what I'm talking about?
>> Mhm. [clears throat] >> Now,
>> Now,
I looked at this video. I did some
searches online. What a lot of people
are saying is it's actually just a bunch
of balloons
>> that are just
>> flying through there based on a wind.
And you know, as someone who has >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> you know, helium balloons in my house,
sometimes you see how they just sort
>> of them. I've seen that.
>> Yeah. At one point they get a little bit
low, then they just sort of float around
the room at eye level. And that's what
it kind of looked like to me. Now, did
you think that this was an actual
jellyfish alien or
>> I didn't I didn't either.
>> But but again, I don't have I'm not
involved with that. I have no provenance
of its origin. It's not something I've
really looked into. Um, I try to avoid
the things that are in the pop culture.
I hate to say it. So, you probably know
a lot more about all that than I ever
will. And I'm too busy to sit and look
at Pablum that comes out on
>> whatever. So, I I'm just being honest. I
really don't A lot of what you might ask
about I have no knowledge of. I don't
have time for it. Um, and it's usually
such nonsense that I just, you know, 30
seconds in I turn it off. But, so I I
just don't know. I mean, you know, but I
I don't have any I don't have anyone in
the intelligence and military or
aerospace contracting world that's
brought that up to me as something of
interest. So, that's all I can say.
>> What about the whole New Jersey drone?
>> Oh, the drones is another story. Those
were false flag operations designed to
get people all riled up like the War of
the Worlds in New Jersey in the 30s.
What is it? Or some wells or somebody um
where you know but the White House did
make a mistake in saying that all of
those were test objects that were known
by FAA. I mean I was on a news program
with a lieutenant general who said
that's absolutely not the case. And uh
the people I know who under contract
uh for one of the aerospace companies
went out there to investigate them
concluded what I did and that it was
some type of testing of media and and
public reaction as sort of a false flag
to see what people would say and do and
see what kind of rumors could be spun
off from it. So often times they'll do
sort of a trial balloon of this false
alien invasion stuff, but 100% of that
was even the things that look like orbs
and stuff, those were hours. That's all
ours. And
>> it was a false flag operation. What I
understand that was is that when you had,
had,
let's unpack this a little further. um between
between
uh about a year ago and November, the
plan was for
uh a highle group of whistleblowers
uh that included
Jake and some of his folks were not
going to come out publicly. They were
simply going to take all the hard
evidence they had, hand it over, we were
going to put it out on a blockchain
system, and it would come out, right?
And it was explained that that would be
too catastrophic because it would be so
explosive. And so they decide to do this
slower controlled process and wait and
but also to unmask themselves right
where they would come forward publicly
which changes opsex completely
operational security completely because
now you're identified you are identified
right as an individual and you therefore
are at risk. Um, so it changed the whole
plans. But when it was going to be
and when these drones even all the way until
until
shortly before the inauguration, we
thought there was going to be a dump a
big release of enormous amount of
dispositive proof and evidence and that
didn't happen. And uh so but when that
was still in the planning and
discussion, they launched anticipatory
to that all these drones and orbs and
what have you because they wanted people
to start thinking that everything uh
that they were going to disclose was
somehow related
um to to just drones and and and
experimental uh things. So, it was a uh
SCOP basically that was done in
anticipation of events that were planned
that ended up not coming to fruition
because it was decided these guys would
come out publicly rather than stay
clandestine and masked and and and but just let the evidence out. So I think
just let the evidence out. So I think the thinking in that group was that this
the thinking in that group was that this needs to be a more controlled release
needs to be a more controlled release with executive orders and congressional
with executive orders and congressional actions providing a pathway. Uh, and
actions providing a pathway. Uh, and there are some very senior people, you
there are some very senior people, you know, there's a chairman of a major
know, there's a chairman of a major corporation, a household name in America
corporation, a household name in America who's reached out to me who has
who's reached out to me who has documents, all this evidence. And soon
documents, all this evidence. And soon as he reached out to me, he had his
as he reached out to me, he had his family threatened, his grandchildren and
family threatened, his grandchildren and children. And uh right now if he were to
children. And uh right now if he were to come forward his his concern aside from
come forward his his concern aside from perhaps having all this wealth
perhaps having all this wealth confiscated under RICO racketeering
confiscated under RICO racketeering influence corrupt organization act which
influence corrupt organization act which like what you use against a mafia
like what you use against a mafia because this organization running this
because this organization running this is like the world's largest mafia
is like the world's largest mafia organized crime network. So
organized crime network. So so he can't come out because the
so he can't come out because the Congress never got amnesty through. was
Congress never got amnesty through. was killed about a year ago in December of
killed about a year ago in December of 2023. And so far there, you know, I
2023. And so far there, you know, I mean, look, the president's only been
mean, look, the president's only been there a month, but there's not been any
there a month, but there's not been any executive orders that explicitly would
executive orders that explicitly would give a a pathway both for personal
give a a pathway both for personal protection like marshals or legal
protection like marshals or legal protection, which would be like
protection, which would be like immunization or amnesty or safe harbor.
immunization or amnesty or safe harbor. So that's that's really what needs to
So that's that's really what needs to happen for for us to get the most
happen for for us to get the most important material out and also to get
important material out and also to get uh these people secured. But I think
uh these people secured. But I think there's something that we can do besides
there's something that we can do besides that and if you want to hear about it
that and if you want to hear about it spooky but interesting.
>> Well, Elon Musk, Trump's new best friend.
friend. >> I don't know him. [laughter]
>> I don't know him. [laughter] He's consistently said that he's never
He's consistently said that he's never seen any signs of aliens or UFOs. And
seen any signs of aliens or UFOs. And this is someone who regularly launches
this is someone who regularly launches ships into space.
ships into space. >> Well, he it's not like he's on board
>> Well, he it's not like he's on board those ships. And I look,
those ships. And I look, >> it's not as if every airline pilot
>> it's not as if every airline pilot has seen these. But there are many who
has seen these. But there are many who have.
have. >> There's one sitting in our room right
>> There's one sitting in our room right here. All right. Captain of a major
here. All right. Captain of a major airline. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold
airline. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
on, hold on, hold on. >> So, this person sitting next to us
>> So, this person sitting next to us >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> has seen what?
>> has seen what? >> These UFOs while he's been flying his uh
>> These UFOs while he's been flying his uh jets for a major airline.
jets for a major airline. >> Really?
>> Really? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Are you will Are you willing to jump in
>> Are you will Are you willing to jump in at some point and talk about it?
at some point and talk about it? >> Could we?
>> Could we? >> It's totally up to him. But
>> It's totally up to him. But >> Okay. Are you Hold on. Are you willing
>> Okay. Are you Hold on. Are you willing to talk about it?
to talk about it? >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> All right. Well, we'll bring you in a
>> All right. Well, we'll bring you in a little bit. Okay.
little bit. Okay. >> I don't hang just every idiot. You mean
>> I don't hang just every idiot. You mean [laughter]
>> just me? >> The people who just sort of hang in my
>> The people who just sort of hang in my orbit are going to be folks like that,
orbit are going to be folks like that, you know. That's right.
you know. That's right. >> Okay. Got it. Okay. So, we'll get to
>> Okay. Got it. Okay. So, we'll get to that. So, go on.
that. So, go on. >> Uh where was I?
>> Uh where was I? >> Elon Musk.
>> Elon Musk. >> Yeah. So, it doesn't mean that, you
>> Yeah. So, it doesn't mean that, you know, he would have been read read onto
know, he would have been read read onto this or read into it. Now, whether he
this or read into it. Now, whether he really has no knowledge of this or uh or
really has no knowledge of this or uh or he has information and has been told not
he has information and has been told not to go there, I don't know. I I think
to go there, I don't know. I I think what I would recommend to Mr. Musk is
what I would recommend to Mr. Musk is you should not comment on things you
you should not comment on things you don't know anything about. And if you do
don't know anything about. And if you do know about it, never lie to the public.
know about it, never lie to the public. It's best to say, "I really don't know,"
It's best to say, "I really don't know," or deflect. So my advice, if Mr. Musk is
or deflect. So my advice, if Mr. Musk is listening, I doubt he is, but is that
listening, I doubt he is, but is that never make a false statement. Um, and if
never make a false statement. Um, and if you express an opinion, have it be an
you express an opinion, have it be an informed opinion.
informed opinion. So I think that is what is important to
So I think that is what is important to do. Uh because otherwise people are
do. Uh because otherwise people are going to be suspicious when all this
going to be suspicious when all this comes out. Those comments by all kinds
comes out. Those comments by all kinds of officials are going to come back to
of officials are going to come back to haunt them. It's like well did you not
haunt them. It's like well did you not know in which case what kind of
know in which case what kind of researcher are you or you did know and
researcher are you or you did know and you were lying to the public. Neither
you were lying to the public. Neither are very good outcomes. So, what I'm
are very good outcomes. So, what I'm recommending to people who are in
recommending to people who are in official positions or public positions
official positions or public positions is either say nothing or speak the
is either say nothing or speak the truth,
truth, >> but don't say something that is based on
>> but don't say something that is based on you're not knowing something. Uh, now I
you're not knowing something. Uh, now I wouldn't mind if someone does a
wouldn't mind if someone does a qualifier and says, "I've really looked
qualifier and says, "I've really looked I haven't looked into this, but to my
I haven't looked into this, but to my knowledge, I don't know anything about
knowledge, I don't know anything about it or what because that's that's fair
it or what because that's that's fair game, right?" Um, and that's an
game, right?" Um, and that's an appropriate response. I answer questions
appropriate response. I answer questions like that all the time. Like you just
like that all the time. Like you just ask me about this jellyfish. Well, it's
ask me about this jellyfish. Well, it's not my expertise. I haven't heard
not my expertise. I haven't heard anything about it. And you know,
anything about it. And you know, there's nothing wrong with saying I
there's nothing wrong with saying I don't know.
don't know. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Right. And as an emergency and trauma
>> Right. And as an emergency and trauma guy, the worst doctors think they know
guy, the worst doctors think they know everything and they're the ones going to
everything and they're the ones going to kill you. So I tell people and the worst
kill you. So I tell people and the worst pilots are the ones that they think they
pilots are the ones that they think they know everything. They don't listen to
know everything. They don't listen to the co-pilot and they crash right to the
the co-pilot and they crash right to the side of a mountain. So, I think that a
side of a mountain. So, I think that a little bit of introspection and humility
little bit of introspection and humility is needed. If you're in a powerful
is needed. If you're in a powerful position where you don't go off talking
position where you don't go off talking about things you really aren't
about things you really aren't knowledgeable about, it's best just to
knowledgeable about, it's best just to say nothing.
say nothing. >> Well, Tom Dong, who is the co-founder of
>> Well, Tom Dong, who is the co-founder of Blink 182 and who's worked with you
Blink 182 and who's worked with you >> oh way back when he was a kid. Yeah, we
>> oh way back when he was a kid. Yeah, we had
had >> Yeah. Uh to the Stars Academy. That was
>> Yeah. Uh to the Stars Academy. That was the one thing you guys worked on
the one thing you guys worked on together.
together. >> Oh, no, no, no. That was Lou Alzando
>> Oh, no, no, no. That was Lou Alzando intercepted him, gas lit him, used him,
intercepted him, gas lit him, used him, and spit him out.
and spit him out. >> Oh, okay.
>> Oh, okay. >> Go look at that. Yeah.
>> Go look at that. Yeah. >> Got it. So, you weren't involved in that
>> Got it. So, you weren't involved in that at all?
at all? >> No. No. This I Tom Dong and I predate
>> No. No. This I Tom Dong and I predate that going back to the early 2000s, I
that going back to the early 2000s, I think, after the Disclosure Project
think, after the Disclosure Project press conference in 2001. And then, uh,
press conference in 2001. And then, uh, yeah, I got to know those guys and it
yeah, I got to know those guys and it was they were fun. We had a good time.
was they were fun. We had a good time. But yeah. Yeah.
But yeah. Yeah. >> Do you still keep in contact with Tom? I
>> Do you still keep in contact with Tom? I haven't in a while because once he got
haven't in a while because once he got pulled into the disinformation nexus,
pulled into the disinformation nexus, right? Um then he got convinced that
right? Um then he got convinced that evil alien there were these good and bad
evil alien there were these good and bad evil aliens in a war and then he got
evil aliens in a war and then he got convinced and then he got pulled in by
convinced and then he got pulled in by Louis Alzando into doing the to the
Louis Alzando into doing the to the stars academy and and then he got run
stars academy and and then he got run over by those guys. So I mean it's it's
over by those guys. So I mean it's it's a sad story. I I really try to stick
a sad story. I I really try to stick with people who can kind of stay on path
with people who can kind of stay on path on track, you know, and uh but no, I I
on track, you know, and uh but no, I I never I mean Tom Delong was a a great
never I mean Tom Delong was a a great guy. We had good times together and you
guy. We had good times together and you know interesting person.
know interesting person. >> Now David Gush.
>> Now David Gush. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Do you guys still keep in contact? No, I
>> Do you guys still keep in contact? No, I haven't been because I try to keep
haven't been because I try to keep myself free of folks who don't stay
myself free of folks who don't stay on the straight and narrow when it comes
on the straight and narrow when it comes to what they know. Uh because as soon as
to what they know. Uh because as soon as that we were doing our national press
that we were doing our national press club event in 2023 in June and it broken
club event in 2023 in June and it broken all the news that he was talking about
all the news that he was talking about the aliens blowing up villages and
the aliens blowing up villages and killing innocent people. Interestingly,
killing innocent people. Interestingly, the year before or two years before
the year before or two years before we had uncovered that in the Dr. Jacqu
we had uncovered that in the Dr. Jacqu Valet in one of his books in 1992 put an
Valet in one of his books in 1992 put an entry in that he had received a CIA
entry in that he had received a CIA document from 1985
document from 1985 chronicling or documenting the fact that
chronicling or documenting the fact that the CIA was uh running abductions on
the CIA was uh running abductions on quote peasants in Brazil and Argentina
quote peasants in Brazil and Argentina for its psychological warfare value. I
for its psychological warfare value. I am quoting now. And we're trying to get
am quoting now. And we're trying to get that original document, but I think the
that original document, but I think the people couple people I know who have it
people couple people I know who have it have been told, "Don't provide that.
have been told, "Don't provide that. You're a dead man." So, but that is a
You're a dead man." So, but that is a fact. That's 40 years ago that there's a
fact. That's 40 years ago that there's a document that proves that the SCOPs
document that proves that the SCOPs uh psychological warfare operations out
uh psychological warfare operations out of the agency were conducting abductions
of the agency were conducting abductions for exactly for the reasons we've warned
for exactly for the reasons we've warned about. So, so I tell people that is a
about. So, so I tell people that is a fact and it's a fact that needs to be
fact and it's a fact that needs to be proven as this whole subject gets
proven as this whole subject gets disclosed. Otherwise, it's going to be
disclosed. Otherwise, it's going to be the UFOs are real, ETSs are real, and
the UFOs are real, ETSs are real, and they're here to eat us for lunch. Now,
they're here to eat us for lunch. Now, we have to go to war, right? It's it's
we have to go to war, right? It's it's it's Pavlovian. I mean, it's almost like
it's Pavlovian. I mean, it's almost like a automaticity like that little sixth
a automaticity like that little sixth grade first grader, six-year-old going,
grade first grader, six-year-old going, "Aren't you afraid of being abducted?"
"Aren't you afraid of being abducted?" I'm going, uh, no, not unless there's a
I'm going, uh, no, not unless there's a covert human team.
covert human team. >> Well, you've said there's 69 different
>> Well, you've said there's 69 different types of extraterrestrials.
types of extraterrestrials. >> Well, that we knew of in 1960s. There
>> Well, that we knew of in 1960s. There may be many more now.
may be many more now. >> Okay. And are these aliens from
>> Okay. And are these aliens from different planets or
>> Yes, I'm quite sure they would be from different star systems. Um, because of
different star systems. Um, because of the diversity of the biological form and
the diversity of the biological form and size. I mean, some are foot and a half
size. I mean, some are foot and a half tall.
tall. some report to be 10 12 feet tall. um
some report to be 10 12 feet tall. um you know the to my knowledge they're all
you know the to my knowledge they're all uh bipeedal two arms two legs head sort
uh bipeedal two arms two legs head sort of that form but then a huge amount of
of that form but then a huge amount of variation within that form and this
variation within that form and this would explain why some of those craft
would explain why some of those craft are very very tiny and some very large I
are very very tiny and some very large I mean if you're a twoft 3ft tall being
mean if you're a twoft 3ft tall being you know a 25 30 foot diameter
you know a 25 30 foot diameter egg-shaped craft is kind of spacious
egg-shaped craft is kind of spacious right you know it's it's it's like us
right you know it's it's it's like us being in something 60 ft proportion
being in something 60 ft proportion What are the size differences? I mean,
What are the size differences? I mean, are there like insectsized aliens and
are there like insectsized aliens and >> giant, you know,
>> giant, you know, >> I don't know, like whalesized aliens? I
>> I don't know, like whalesized aliens? I mean, what's the what's the range? Cuz
mean, what's the what's the range? Cuz it could technically be anything, right?
it could technically be anything, right? I mean, because like in our case,
I mean, because like in our case, >> you talked about this some of your
>> you talked about this some of your interviews, humans evolve from monkeys,
interviews, humans evolve from monkeys, >> right? And monkeys are warlike.
>> right? And monkeys are warlike. >> They kill each other. They they fight.
>> They kill each other. They they fight. They troops [clears throat]
They troops [clears throat] >> and so forth. But if you had a species
>> and so forth. But if you had a species that evolved from, let's say, dolphins
that evolved from, let's say, dolphins or something like that that aren't
or something like that that aren't warlike,
warlike, >> right?
>> right? >> This might be an alien species that
>> This might be an alien species that don't kill each other and they don't
don't kill each other and they don't understand why humans are killing each
understand why humans are killing each other all the time.
other all the time. >> They don't. I understand it. They just
>> They don't. I understand it. They just think that it's a shame we haven't
think that it's a shame we haven't evolved past it.
evolved past it. >> Right. So, in terms of the alien species
>> Right. So, in terms of the alien species that you're familiar with, what's the
that you're familiar with, what's the range? Are they all like little gay men
range? Are they all like little gay men or are they just completely different?
or are they just completely different? >> Oh, no. They're totally different. And
>> Oh, no. They're totally different. And most of the ones that you see on the
most of the ones that you see on the spooky covers of books and Whitley,
spooky covers of books and Whitley, those are ours. Those are our robotic
those are ours. Those are our robotic fake aliens. Those are the the CIA
fake aliens. Those are the the CIA drones and robotic objects. And some the
drones and robotic objects. And some the really sophisticated ones are actually
really sophisticated ones are actually bio nano machines where they have
bio nano machines where they have biological material uh and are that's
biological material uh and are that's what they were using. um the the culture
what they were using. um the the culture material from the cattle and animal
material from the cattle and animal mutilations was being used to make those
mutilations was being used to make those very sophisticated fake aliens. Um and
very sophisticated fake aliens. Um and you know there's a physicist that I know
you know there's a physicist that I know who worked on those programs and uh I
who worked on those programs and uh I mean it really sounds like Mingala or
mean it really sounds like Mingala or you know stranger things or something
you know stranger things or something but
but >> um the strangest things are true my
>> um the strangest things are true my friend and so I you know in terms of my
friend and so I you know in terms of my personal knowledge I have heard of ones
personal knowledge I have heard of ones a foot and a half or so tall to ones
a foot and a half or so tall to ones that range the upper end 30 to 40 feet
that range the upper end 30 to 40 feet tall.
tall. >> 30 to 40 feet.
>> 30 to 40 feet. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Wow. But that's, you know, pretty rare.
>> Wow. But that's, you know, pretty rare. And, you know, depending on the planet
And, you know, depending on the planet and the gravitational and everything
and the gravitational and everything else. I mean, look, there there are
else. I mean, look, there there are humans that have been 8t tall and there
humans that have been 8t tall and there are humans that have been 3 feet tall.
are humans that have been 3 feet tall. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So, I think about the cosmos and how
>> So, I think about the cosmos and how vast. I mean, it would make sense
vast. I mean, it would make sense there'd be enormous diversity. Uh, and
there'd be enormous diversity. Uh, and this brings to another question. I mean,
this brings to another question. I mean, you talk about war and the only way homo
you talk about war and the only way homo sapiens, humans, evolve past where we're
sapiens, humans, evolve past where we're stuck is, and that people say, "Well,
stuck is, and that people say, "Well, this sounds like a spiritual discussion
this sounds like a spiritual discussion now." I said, "Well, maybe it is." Is
now." I said, "Well, maybe it is." Is that we have to find some foundation for
that we have to find some foundation for our commonality, our oneness. And it
our commonality, our oneness. And it can't be that we're just human because
can't be that we're just human because now we have non-humans that we're
now we have non-humans that we're dealing with. So, what is that? I always
dealing with. So, what is that? I always tell people it's at that deep level of
tell people it's at that deep level of uh the pure level of quiet consciousness
uh the pure level of quiet consciousness or spirit that they've done studies is
or spirit that they've done studies is actually a singularity. You know, Erin
actually a singularity. You know, Erin Schroinger, the father of modern
Schroinger, the father of modern particle wave theory and and quantum
particle wave theory and and quantum physics in 1908 said uh he said that the
physics in 1908 said uh he said that the total number of minds in the universe is
total number of minds in the universe is one that is it's a singularity
one that is it's a singularity and so that's the foundation of the C5
and so that's the foundation of the C5 contact protocols because not only is
contact protocols because not only is the consciousness field not limited by
the consciousness field not limited by space or time but also the understanding
space or time but also the understanding and experience of that whether it's in a
and experience of that whether it's in a meditative state or even just
meditative state or even just intellectually understanding it becomes
intellectually understanding it becomes the foundation of you looking into the
the foundation of you looking into the eyes of a nonhuman
eyes of a nonhuman extraterrestrial
extraterrestrial um or a person on this planet who may be
um or a person on this planet who may be a different race or a different culture
a different race or a different culture or whatever and seeing beyond the
or whatever and seeing beyond the superficial and seeing right into the
superficial and seeing right into the the the soul or right into the conscious
the the soul or right into the conscious being that's in there. Um and beyond
being that's in there. Um and beyond that this sort of clear light of pure
that this sort of clear light of pure consciousness like when you go into the
consciousness like when you go into the deep meditative state the kind of
deep meditative state the kind of samadei or whatever you know before I
samadei or whatever you know before I was a doctor I was a meditation teacher
was a doctor I was a meditation teacher and so I really did a deep dive into
and so I really did a deep dive into that um because I when I was 17 I had a
that um because I when I was 17 I had a near-death experience and you know and
near-death experience and you know and it really opened up that universe to me
it really opened up that universe to me because I my family were atheists and
because I my family were atheists and like they if it didn't infant test tube
like they if it didn't infant test tube didn't exist so you
didn't exist so you But that dinner or death experience when
But that dinner or death experience when I was 17 was where I experienced for a
I was 17 was where I experienced for a period of time uh when I was away uh the
period of time uh when I was away uh the sort of the unbounded cosmic aspect of
sort of the unbounded cosmic aspect of our own consciousness. It wasn't that I
our own consciousness. It wasn't that I went somewhere. I realized that's what's
went somewhere. I realized that's what's in within us. And so when you have that
in within us. And so when you have that experience then you realize that's why
experience then you realize that's why our motto is one universe one people. So
our motto is one universe one people. So we don't view them as alien. I hate the
we don't view them as alien. I hate the word alien because it conotes
word alien because it conotes foreignness and xenophobia. I usually
foreignness and xenophobia. I usually use the word ET people or ET
use the word ET people or ET civilizations, non-human civilizations.
civilizations, non-human civilizations. >> Well, you talked about how you've
>> Well, you talked about how you've interacted with extraterrestrials by
interacted with extraterrestrials by going into a meditative state and
going into a meditative state and sometimes using very psychedelics.
sometimes using very psychedelics. >> Never.
>> Never. >> Never.
>> Never. >> Oh, no.
>> Oh, no. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Never. Now, they'll do that to the P3
>> Never. Now, they'll do that to the P3 operators, all kinds of drugs and stuff.
operators, all kinds of drugs and stuff. No, my group. Um,
No, my group. Um, listen. I know.
listen. I know. >> So, you're not taking any drugs at all?
>> So, you're not taking any drugs at all? Never.
Never. >> When you're Cuz that's what I assumed.
>> When you're Cuz that's what I assumed. It was a bunch of guys getting high and
It was a bunch of guys getting high and just seeing a bunch of weird lights.
just seeing a bunch of weird lights. Like, it's not that.
Like, it's not that. >> No. No. We never do any drugs. And in
>> No. No. We never do any drugs. And in fact, it's against protocol completely.
fact, it's against protocol completely. But,
But, >> um, and it's not necessary. Uh, now, can
>> um, and it's not necessary. Uh, now, can you have a breakthrough moment with some
you have a breakthrough moment with some of those substances? Yes. But even the
of those substances? Yes. But even the the the shaman that teach you know
the the shaman that teach you know things like Iawaska will say that if you
things like Iawaska will say that if you did it once as a gateway thing but what
did it once as a gateway thing but what happens is that then people use it as a
happens is that then people use it as a crutch. Um and they don't just do it
crutch. Um and they don't just do it once to get to a breakaway a breakout
once to get to a breakaway a breakout moment. It becomes something that uh and
moment. It becomes something that uh and this is the typical western uh use of of
this is the typical western uh use of of substances right everything you know
substances right everything you know whether it's weed or booze or this or
whether it's weed or booze or this or that. It's an addictive uh materialistic
that. It's an addictive uh materialistic view instead of something useful. So I
view instead of something useful. So I am actually quite skeptical of that even
am actually quite skeptical of that even though I know it's the zeitgeist is in
though I know it's the zeitgeist is in that direction. Uh but it's not
that direction. Uh but it's not necessary. So you know I teach people um
necessary. So you know I teach people um and the C5 contact app has a whole
and the C5 contact app has a whole meditation training course in it. Um and
meditation training course in it. Um and none of it involves any substances and
none of it involves any substances and isn't necessary. And we have the most
isn't necessary. And we have the most extraordinary experiences in
extraordinary experiences in consciousness but also in what we see.
consciousness but also in what we see. And and I think that that is something
And and I think that that is something that people need to realize. Everything
that people need to realize. Everything you need, you naturally already have.
you need, you naturally already have. It's all within us. Now, if you need
It's all within us. Now, if you need some augmentation or whatever fires your
some augmentation or whatever fires your rockets, I've never done any of that
rockets, I've never done any of that stuff and haven't needed to, but maybe I
stuff and haven't needed to, but maybe I was lucky. I died when I was 17. I had a
was lucky. I died when I was 17. I had a near-death experience. I mean, lucky,
near-death experience. I mean, lucky, unlucky, whatever you want to look at.
unlucky, whatever you want to look at. Um, survived it obviously because here
Um, survived it obviously because here we are. But um it was something that
we are. But um it was something that taught me that that aspect of our own
taught me that that aspect of our own self that's awake that is expanded that
self that's awake that is expanded that connects to this sort of cosmic mind
connects to this sort of cosmic mind great being the native people. My
great being the native people. My grandmother was Cherokee. So that is
grandmother was Cherokee. So that is always within all of us and all things
always within all of us and all things and all places. So once you understand
and all places. So once you understand that and experience it and that's the
that and experience it and that's the beauty of some of the science that's
beauty of some of the science that's been done around the science of
been done around the science of consciousness by Dr. John at at
consciousness by Dr. John at at Princeton be I spoke with him before he
Princeton be I spoke with him before he died. He had the Princeton Engineering
died. He had the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab where they had
Anomalies Research Lab where they had people putting their awareness on random
people putting their awareness on random number generators. No wires, not like
number generators. No wires, not like Neurolink what Elon's doing, but just
Neurolink what Elon's doing, but just look at them and intend the random
look at them and intend the random number generator to spit out more ones
number generator to spit out more ones than zeros and it would statistically
than zeros and it would statistically significant. What was interesting if
significant. What was interesting if there are two people doing it loved each
there are two people doing it loved each other it was an exponential increase.
other it was an exponential increase. This is why I tell people when we do
This is why I tell people when we do these close encounters of the fifth
these close encounters of the fifth kind, the C5 contact protocol, when you
kind, the C5 contact protocol, when you do it with a few people, not a huge
do it with a few people, not a huge crow, I do it with huge crowds, but when
crow, I do it with huge crowds, but when you do it with a few people and there's
you do it with a few people and there's coherence and and
coherence and and brotherhood, sisterhood, love in that
brotherhood, sisterhood, love in that group, it has this very powerful effect
group, it has this very powerful effect that's almost like a magnet to these
that's almost like a magnet to these advanced civilizations because they know
advanced civilizations because they know that the future of humanity rests on uh
that the future of humanity rests on uh humans having not just technological
humans having not just technological development but social and spiritual
development but social and spiritual development simultaneously
development simultaneously uh which is of course sorely lacking and
uh which is of course sorely lacking and by spirituality I'm not referring to
by spirituality I'm not referring to organized religion per se I'm talking
organized religion per se I'm talking about something that transcends
about something that transcends organized religion into sort of the
organized religion into sort of the meaning of religion is from the religio
meaning of religion is from the religio is return to the source well the source
is return to the source well the source of all intelligent life is this
of all intelligent life is this unbounded state of consciousness samadei
unbounded state of consciousness samadei whatever you want to call
Have you ever had any contact with people from Heaven's Gate?
people from Heaven's Gate? >> No.
>> No. >> Are you familiar with what this is?
>> Are you familiar with what this is? >> I knew it was a cult that uh did mass
>> I knew it was a cult that uh did mass suicide down in San Diego right as we
suicide down in San Diego right as we were doing the first congressional
were doing the first congressional briefings privately in 97.
briefings privately in 97. >> That's all I know cuz I remember it was
>> That's all I know cuz I remember it was a disaster.
a disaster. >> It was based on aliens. It was based on
>> It was based on aliens. It was based on them thinking that this alien ship was
them thinking that this alien ship was gonna come down and take them all into
gonna come down and take them all into heaven and and so forth and then
heaven and and so forth and then >> ultimately ended in a mass suicide.
>> ultimately ended in a mass suicide. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> So,
>> So, >> you have groups out there that take
>> you have groups out there that take >> these alien concepts and kind of twist
>> these alien concepts and kind of twist them into strange cults and so forth
them into strange cults and so forth that some sometimes end in the worst
that some sometimes end in the worst possible way like
possible way like >> heaven's gate.
>> heaven's gate. >> What are your thoughts on that? Well, I
>> What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think that people should not be part of
think that people should not be part of a cult like that. What I tell people is
a cult like that. What I tell people is that the reason I refuse to I I kind of
that the reason I refuse to I I kind of the people who know me well know I can
the people who know me well know I can be a little bit brusk and profane
be a little bit brusk and profane because I do not want to be someone's
because I do not want to be someone's guru.
guru. >> People accuse you of this. I mean, you
>> People accuse you of this. I mean, you have these big meetings out where people
have these big meetings out where people I've been accused of so forth. I mean,
I've been accused of so forth. I mean, that's could be viewed as a cult by some
that's could be viewed as a cult by some people.
people. >> Oh, well, I mean, so you go to a a
>> Oh, well, I mean, so you go to a a football game, you're at a cult because
football game, you're at a cult because you're with fans. I mean, it's stupid.
you're with fans. I mean, it's stupid. No offense, that's a stupid comment. So,
No offense, that's a stupid comment. So, you know, you know, it's dumb as
you know, you know, it's dumb as All right. So, yes, people go out and we
All right. So, yes, people go out and we do this together. Sometimes we train
do this together. Sometimes we train large groups, but it's not something
large groups, but it's not something where there's some kind of a cult-like
where there's some kind of a cult-like protocol. In fact, you if you ever went
protocol. In fact, you if you ever went to one, which you should, you'll learn
to one, which you should, you'll learn that I tell everyone whatever it is
that I tell everyone whatever it is we're doing in medicine as a doctor,
we're doing in medicine as a doctor, here's the the ethos. See one, do one,
here's the the ethos. See one, do one, teach one. You see it done once, the
teach one. You see it done once, the next time you're doing it yourself on
next time you're doing it yourself on your own. The third time you're teaching
your own. The third time you're teaching a secondyear medical student, right? And
a secondyear medical student, right? And so the idea is that everyone empowers
so the idea is that everyone empowers themselves to master this capability
themselves to master this capability both in consciousness but also as an
both in consciousness but also as an operational team and make peaceful
operational team and make peaceful contact. That's our ethos right there.
contact. That's our ethos right there. Now there's nothing cultlike about it.
Now there's nothing cultlike about it. Now a lot of people if you use anything
Now a lot of people if you use anything that's people disregard as woowoo
that's people disregard as woowoo consciousness and meditation you are a
consciousness and meditation you are a priori a cult. Well that's ridiculous
priori a cult. Well that's ridiculous also. Um now could someone turn it into
also. Um now could someone turn it into that? Yeah. And I had a I had a talk
that? Yeah. And I had a I had a talk with um
with um a wonderful man named Tony Robbins about
a wonderful man named Tony Robbins about this and he wrote a book I'm not your
this and he wrote a book I'm not your guru.
guru. >> Right. And so that's kind of how I feel
>> Right. And so that's kind of how I feel with people. I'm not I'm not I'm I like
with people. I'm not I'm not I'm I like teaching. I like showing people, but
teaching. I like showing people, but ultimately I don't want you to, you
ultimately I don't want you to, you know, a bunch of chaas or devotees. No,
know, a bunch of chaas or devotees. No, learn this and then go do it yourself
learn this and then go do it yourself and and and empower yourself. So, if
and and and empower yourself. So, if anything, I'm in the anti-cult approach
anything, I'm in the anti-cult approach to this um very strongly. Um which is
to this um very strongly. Um which is also why, you know, I I think that it
also why, you know, I I think that it but you're you hit on a good point and
but you're you hit on a good point and that is slippery slope.
that is slippery slope. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Very slippery slope. Very slippery.
>> Very slippery slope. Very slippery. >> Yes. And that's why I I make it very
>> Yes. And that's why I I make it very clear that ain't me, you know, don't do
clear that ain't me, you know, don't do that. Now, there are people who've tried
that. Now, there are people who've tried to spin off what I'm doing, create their
to spin off what I'm doing, create their own little cults, right?
own little cults, right? >> So, that's different. But, um, you know,
>> So, that's different. But, um, you know, and I can't control that because people
and I can't control that because people are going to do what they're going to
are going to do what they're going to do. Uh, but there's no reason why people
do. Uh, but there's no reason why people can't have someone who teaches them. It
can't have someone who teaches them. It doesn't mean that and you can respect
doesn't mean that and you can respect the teacher
the teacher uh but it doesn't mean you have to then
uh but it doesn't mean you have to then become some slavish person to someone
become some slavish person to someone channeling you know goob bloop from the
channeling you know goob bloop from the planet cahooa you know or whatever it is
planet cahooa you know or whatever it is you know it's like come on you know I
you know it's like come on you know I mean use your own brain use your own
mean use your own brain use your own consciousness and faculties and and do
consciousness and faculties and and do this yourself you know what I like the
this yourself you know what I like the most I got a couple years ago I got a
most I got a couple years ago I got a email I don't check my own I have people
email I don't check my own I have people who do that but it was this truck driver
who do that but it was this truck driver in Croatia
in Croatia and he was going on and he was had the
and he was going on and he was had the C5 app, C5 contact app and he stopped.
C5 app, C5 contact app and he stopped. It was late at night to pull out. There
It was late at night to pull out. There was nobody out in the mountains Croatia
was nobody out in the mountains Croatia and he was doing the whole meditation
and he was doing the whole meditation and he kind of felt that he made
and he kind of felt that he made contact. Suddenly a a very kind of
contact. Suddenly a a very kind of circular
circular uh ET crap materialized and went from
uh ET crap materialized and went from left to right right over the front of in
left to right right over the front of in front of his cab and vanished. And he
front of his cab and vanished. And he wrote this and this was just like a
wrote this and this was just like a bloke who was like you you'd have a a
bloke who was like you you'd have a a beer with at a pub who's a truck driver.
beer with at a pub who's a truck driver. And I went yes that is exactly right.
And I went yes that is exactly right. And you know because what I tell people
And you know because what I tell people is everyone can everyone's who's a human
is everyone can everyone's who's a human is conscious and that consciousness
is conscious and that consciousness is a singularity and so I think it
is a singularity and so I think it doesn't matter how your your
doesn't matter how your your intelligence your training whether
intelligence your training whether you're rich whether you're poor I mean I
you're rich whether you're poor I mean I grew up in a two- room shack with no
grew up in a two- room shack with no heat no air conditioning abandoned on
heat no air conditioning abandoned on the streets I was very poor in the south
the streets I was very poor in the south Carolina so I tell people anyone can do
Carolina so I tell people anyone can do this right and and I think the the the
this right and and I think the the the where people get into trouble is where
where people get into trouble is where they give their power up to
they give their power up to a leader, a religious, whether it's
a leader, a religious, whether it's political or religious or someone else,
political or religious or someone else, right? So, I I'm very strict about
right? So, I I'm very strict about independent investigation of the truth,
independent investigation of the truth, critical thinking, doing things on your
critical thinking, doing things on your own, you know, and like I tell people,
own, you know, and like I tell people, don't take my word for it. Try it on the
don't take my word for it. Try it on the evidence we have. Don't take my word for
evidence we have. Don't take my word for it. Go look at the 115 whistleblowers we
it. Go look at the 115 whistleblowers we have in our archive
have in our archive with their testimony. Name, rank, and
with their testimony. Name, rank, and serial number. Have you seen them? When
serial number. Have you seen them? When I tell people when you're like Mr. Musk,
I tell people when you're like Mr. Musk, I'd say, "Well, have you looked at
I'd say, "Well, have you looked at that?"
that?" These are named firsthand
These are named firsthand whistleblowers. 115 of them on a silver
whistleblowers. 115 of them on a silver platter. We I've spent $20 million
platter. We I've spent $20 million putting this together. Who's looking at
putting this together. Who's looking at it?
it? >> Wait, you spent $20 million?
>> Wait, you spent $20 million? >> Oh, at least over the last 30 years
>> Oh, at least over the last 30 years doing this.
doing this. >> Really?
>> Really? >> Yes. Well, where did the money come
>> Yes. Well, where did the money come from?
from? >> Me, my work, and as a doctor. I mean,
>> Me, my work, and as a doctor. I mean, I've sacrificed a lot. I don't talk
I've sacrificed a lot. I don't talk about it, but And donors. We've
about it, but And donors. We've >> That's what I'm saying. Were there a lot
>> That's what I'm saying. Were there a lot of donors that came in with money?
of donors that came in with money? >> Yeah. Over years. Yeah. Yeah. But I
>> Yeah. Over years. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's a huge expense.
mean, it's a huge expense. >> I mean, you know, I mean, just flying
>> I mean, you know, I mean, just flying all these witnesses into Washington,
all these witnesses into Washington, putting on those press conferences,
putting on those press conferences, you're talking seven digits here.
you're talking seven digits here. >> So, you know, and that's why people say,
>> So, you know, and that's why people say, "Oh, there's a tuition for what you're
"Oh, there's a tuition for what you're doing." I say, "Yeah, it needs to be 10
doing." I say, "Yeah, it needs to be 10 times that." So, shut up and say thank
times that." So, shut up and say thank you. But Right. Look, I've given up $500
you. But Right. Look, I've given up $500 $600,000 a year for years to do this for
$600,000 a year for years to do this for free. Right. I don't get paid.
free. Right. I don't get paid. Right.
Right. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Right. So, who's paying me? The US
>> Right. So, who's paying me? The US government? No. So, I I push back very
government? No. So, I I push back very hard on that and I say there needs to be
hard on that and I say there needs to be support for this. This is the other
support for this. This is the other problem is that if [clears throat] you
problem is that if [clears throat] you if you sell a bunch of nonsense in snake
if you sell a bunch of nonsense in snake oil, you'll get millions of dollars in
oil, you'll get millions of dollars in contracts from the US government like
contracts from the US government like Bigalow Aerospace did. 22 million
Bigalow Aerospace did. 22 million flushed it down the toilet. If you're
flushed it down the toilet. If you're actually doing the hard work, you get
actually doing the hard work, you get natada,
natada, >> right? So, it's a very unrewarding
>> right? So, it's a very unrewarding profession. Let me just put it that way.
profession. Let me just put it that way. Very I mean, but I feel like I have a
Very I mean, but I feel like I have a purpose here to do. I I mean I you we
purpose here to do. I I mean I you we have the knowledge, who have the
have the knowledge, who have the information, we know what the
information, we know what the consequences are. So I guess to those
consequences are. So I guess to those who have, you know, great knowledge on
who have, you know, great knowledge on something, they have great
something, they have great responsibility. So I take that very
responsibility. So I take that very seriously, but it's an ethical decision,
seriously, but it's an ethical decision, not a financial one.
not a financial one. >> Well, you mentioned that there's
>> Well, you mentioned that there's underwater UFOs.
underwater UFOs. >> Oh, yeah. Lots. They've been tracked for
>> Oh, yeah. Lots. They've been tracked for decades.
decades. >> I mean, that makes a lot of sense
>> I mean, that makes a lot of sense because we've really explored the oceans
because we've really explored the oceans barely at all.
barely at all. >> Yes. Yeah. Like what probably 95% of the
>> Yes. Yeah. Like what probably 95% of the ocean has been completely unexplored
ocean has been completely unexplored >> and twothirds of the earth is covered.
>> and twothirds of the earth is covered. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> So are there actual alien bases the
>> So are there actual alien bases the bottle bottom of the ocean and so forth?
bottle bottom of the ocean and so forth? >> There are both human and nonhuman assets
>> There are both human and nonhuman assets that have been in the ocean.
that have been in the ocean. >> Really?
>> Really? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Like Atlantis kind of.
>> Like Atlantis kind of. >> Well, I I do know that out in that area
>> Well, I I do know that out in that area there are some strange phenomenon and u
there are some strange phenomenon and u what area do you mean? like what used to
what area do you mean? like what used to be called the Bermuda Bermuda TRA. Okay.
be called the Bermuda Bermuda TRA. Okay. I heard about this in the 80s where
I heard about this in the 80s where planes would just disappear and so
planes would just disappear and so forth.
forth. >> And
>> And >> you're saying that's a real thing?
>> you're saying that's a real thing? >> Yes. But that was a underwater covert
>> Yes. But that was a underwater covert human array, electromagnetic array.
human array, electromagnetic array. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> There's a similar one down at the South
>> There's a similar one down at the South Pole. We had a new whistleblower with
Pole. We had a new whistleblower with Rathon describe a mile under the ice
Rathon describe a mile under the ice these nutrino light emitters and
these nutrino light emitters and detectors that are down there at the
detectors that are down there at the South Pole, not Antarctica, South Pole.
South Pole, not Antarctica, South Pole. And uh you can look at his testimony,
And uh you can look at his testimony, Eric Hecker uh who is down there for a
Eric Hecker uh who is down there for a year at that base. And so there's a lot
year at that base. And so there's a lot of uh unusual things that are placed
of uh unusual things that are placed under the ocean. Uh then there have been
under the ocean. Uh then there have been extraterrestrial vehicles and I
extraterrestrial vehicles and I understand even uh bases that could be
understand even uh bases that could be deep because they can go through any
deep because they can go through any medium. You know, some people call it
medium. You know, some people call it trans medium. In other words, you can go
trans medium. In other words, you can go through uh water, solid rock, etc. and
through uh water, solid rock, etc. and so on. So, the technology allows for
so on. So, the technology allows for passing straight through solid matter.
passing straight through solid matter. >> Well, yeah, cuz you said teleportation
>> Well, yeah, cuz you said teleportation is a real thing.
is a real thing. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> And this is what you're talking about.
>> And this is what you're talking about. >> Uh, no, that's separate. A teleportation
>> Uh, no, that's separate. A teleportation is based on quantum entanglement.
is based on quantum entanglement. Basically, what Einstein called the
Basically, what Einstein called the spooky effect where you have you could
spooky effect where you have you could have the same particle two places
have the same particle two places simultaneously. So a teleportation would
simultaneously. So a teleportation would be it's here here and it's through a
be it's here here and it's through a quantum entanglement resonance whereas
quantum entanglement resonance whereas something that would pass that would
something that would pass that would look 3D even the sun shining on it could
look 3D even the sun shining on it could pass straight through into a mountain
pass straight through into a mountain because the the resonant frequency of
because the the resonant frequency of the matter and the electronics of that
the matter and the electronics of that craft cause it to mostly be unaligned
craft cause it to mostly be unaligned with the matrix let's call it of matter
with the matrix let's call it of matter in this dimension.
in this dimension. So, and it gets a little esoteric, but
So, and it gets a little esoteric, but if you can visualize
if you can visualize my body, I'm, you know, 6'4 and weigh
my body, I'm, you know, 6'4 and weigh 220. If you were to take out all the
220. If you were to take out all the space between the atoms and molecules,
space between the atoms and molecules, all the mass of my body would fit on the
all the mass of my body would fit on the tip of a needle of a pen.
tip of a needle of a pen. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> All right. So, but it's this size. So,
>> All right. So, but it's this size. So, what if you took this a little bit out
what if you took this a little bit out of angular momentum frequency? Then this
of angular momentum frequency? Then this body could walk right through that wall
body could walk right through that wall and my atoms would not touch those atoms
and my atoms would not touch those atoms >> because you're going between the atoms.
>> because you're going between the atoms. >> Yes. Because you're passing in the space
>> Yes. Because you're passing in the space between.
between. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> All right. I mean, it gets into some
>> All right. I mean, it gets into some esoteric physics.
esoteric physics. >> Yeah. That's pretty wild.
>> Yeah. That's pretty wild. >> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Well, you mentioned the coverup is
>> Well, you mentioned the coverup is really focused on world energy and how
really focused on world energy and how trillions and trillions of dollars are
trillions and trillions of dollars are made with oil, gas,
made with oil, gas, you know, fossil fuels, and so forth.
you know, fossil fuels, and so forth. And you're basically saying that
And you're basically saying that the US and possibly other governments
the US and possibly other governments have unlimited clean energy.
have unlimited clean energy. >> Sure.
>> Sure. >> Using alien technology.
>> Using alien technology. >> Well, not the US government that's
>> Well, not the US government that's constitutional, but the secret
constitutional, but the secret government does. There are two
government does. There are two governments,
governments, >> right?
>> right? >> At least two,
>> At least two, >> right? So, what they're saying, well,
>> right? So, what they're saying, well, what you're saying is that if this was
what you're saying is that if this was actually uncovered, all these industries
actually uncovered, all these industries would collapse in one day.
would collapse in one day. >> Well, it would benefit the earth. No,
>> Well, it would benefit the earth. No, the No, the here's the thing
the No, the here's the thing >> and and I was on a show uh Patrick David
>> and and I was on a show uh Patrick David has a show.
has a show. >> Yeah, I know Patrick interviewed him and
>> Yeah, I know Patrick interviewed him and um
um >> and and this came up in that interview.
>> and and this came up in that interview. I said, "Look, if if someone came in
I said, "Look, if if someone came in right now and put on that table one of
right now and put on that table one of these zero point or free energy devices
these zero point or free energy devices to get it from that phase to where it's
to get it from that phase to where it's being manufactured,
being manufactured, mass manufacturing to replace the one
mass manufacturing to replace the one and a half billion motor vehicle engines
and a half billion motor vehicle engines in the world and to provide all the
in the world and to provide all the energy for 2 and a half billion homes on
energy for 2 and a half billion homes on the planet, plus all the mill hundreds
the planet, plus all the mill hundreds of millions of businesses, factories,
of millions of businesses, factories, that's going to be 15, 20 years if you
that's going to be 15, 20 years if you did it like the Marshall Plan that
did it like the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after World War II. So,
rebuilt Europe after World War II. So, it's not as if there w isn't going to be
it's not as if there w isn't going to be a transition because just logistically
a transition because just logistically it's not possible to make it happen all
it's not possible to make it happen all at once. But it would eventually cause
at once. But it would eventually cause the elimination of the need for all
the elimination of the need for all fossil fuels, nuclear, wind, solar,
fossil fuels, nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric dams, all of
geothermal, hydroelectric dams, all of it would be obsolete. Now, my argument
it would be obsolete. Now, my argument is that should have happened 100 years
is that should have happened 100 years ago. That's why we did the documentary
ago. That's why we did the documentary The Lost Century, right?
The Lost Century, right? Now, the most recent documentary we
Now, the most recent documentary we released is called Battle for
released is called Battle for Disclosure. And if you look at Battle
Disclosure. And if you look at Battle for Disclosure, uh that deals with some
for Disclosure, uh that deals with some of this as well because
of this as well because the the big question is going to be do
the the big question is going to be do we do a real honest disclosure or sort
we do a real honest disclosure or sort of a fake one, light one, because an
of a fake one, light one, because an honest one is going to include the
honest one is going to include the man-made. I mentioned this earlier.
man-made. I mentioned this earlier. That's a bigger secret than the
That's a bigger secret than the non-human, right? Well, are you talking
non-human, right? Well, are you talking about a 0 point quantum vacuum
about a 0 point quantum vacuum spacetime?
spacetime? >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> that's what you're talking about right
>> that's what you're talking about right now.
now. >> Sure. And we can put you you know I'm
>> Sure. And we can put you you know I'm meeting with someone to what is today?
meeting with someone to what is today? Yeah, tomorrow who's a inventor and has
Yeah, tomorrow who's a inventor and has 20 patents and has come across this and
20 patents and has come across this and doesn't know what to do with it. So, um
doesn't know what to do with it. So, um that has [clears throat] to be open
that has [clears throat] to be open sourced you. It has to be put out
sourced you. It has to be put out without patents and released massively.
without patents and released massively. uh because over the last hundred years
uh because over the last hundred years anyone who's tried to use a conventional
anyone who's tried to use a conventional business model or the patent office have
business model or the patent office have had it seized. You know, we can prove
had it seized. You know, we can prove this.
this. >> And meanwhile, you know, the earth is
>> And meanwhile, you know, the earth is being greatly damaged by how look there
being greatly damaged by how look there are 8 billion people living on the
are 8 billion people living on the planet like we did in the 1800s in in
planet like we did in the 1800s in in the industrial revolution. You know,
the industrial revolution. You know, oil, gas, coal, roads, internal
oil, gas, coal, roads, internal combustion engines, that was Mercedes
combustion engines, that was Mercedes 1888. Even rockets 1940s Verer von
1888. Even rockets 1940s Verer von Brown. So, you know, and nuclear 1945.
Brown. So, you know, and nuclear 1945. So, I always ask people, do you really
So, I always ask people, do you really think there's been no developments in
think there's been no developments in energy generation in 80 years? This is
energy generation in 80 years? This is ridiculous.
ridiculous. >> Yeah. No, I
>> Yeah. No, I >> it's been ruthlessly suppressed.
>> it's been ruthlessly suppressed. >> I had a conversation with someone about
>> I had a conversation with someone about this recently where if you really think
this recently where if you really think about it
about it >> Mhm. When you get into a plane and you
>> Mhm. When you get into a plane and you fly across country,
fly across country, it's pretty much the same thing as doing
it's pretty much the same thing as doing it in the 70s.
it in the 70s. >> 50 years later, it the planes go about
>> 50 years later, it the planes go about as fast.
as fast. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> They're about as big,
>> They're about as big, >> right?
>> right? >> And there's really no major difference
>> And there's really no major difference in flying now. I mean, maybe the planes
in flying now. I mean, maybe the planes are a little nicer and the seats are a
are a little nicer and the seats are a little cushier, but that's about it.
little cushier, but that's about it. >> The same as a 707 in the early 60s.
>> The same as a 707 in the early 60s. Yeah. So, we're talking 60 years later.
Yeah. So, we're talking 60 years later. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. Exactly. So there's really been almost
Exactly. So there's really been almost no technological developments in air
no technological developments in air travel
travel >> or not commercial air travel
>> or not commercial air travel >> or or energy generation in more
>> or or energy generation in more fundamental.
fundamental. >> Yeah. I mean we're still using nuclear,
>> Yeah. I mean we're still using nuclear, we're still using coal, we're still
we're still using coal, we're still using gas.
using gas. >> Uh you know uh solar power is not quite
>> Uh you know uh solar power is not quite there yet.
there yet. >> No. And it's never going to get there.
>> No. And it's never going to get there. Not the way it's configured. Now there
Not the way it's configured. Now there have been people who've done what are
have been people who've done what are called solar collectors that isn't just
called solar collectors that isn't just the normal photons but all the uh energy
the normal photons but all the uh energy that comes from the sun that rectifies
that comes from the sun that rectifies it into very powerful like something
it into very powerful like something this big that would run your house those
this big that would run your house those have all been confiscated. I I've spoken
have all been confiscated. I I've spoken to a couple of inventors and if people
to a couple of inventors and if people doubt it go look at the tw 2010
doubt it go look at the tw 2010 uh report by the Federation of American
uh report by the Federation of American Scientists. It's in our It may be in the
Scientists. It's in our It may be in the briefing document here um that I'm going
briefing document here um that I'm going to give you. Uh it's the president. It's
to give you. Uh it's the president. It's in the Congress's briefing document
in the Congress's briefing document redacted of certain things, but you'll
redacted of certain things, but you'll have a copy and people can order it now
have a copy and people can order it now and go to drstephvener.com and order
and go to drstephvener.com and order this. Um it's we just it just came out
this. Um it's we just it just came out this week. So um that technology should
this week. So um that technology should have been out decades ago and it would
have been out decades ago and it would enabled us to have a civilization by now
enabled us to have a civilization by now with no pollution and no poverty. But of
with no pollution and no poverty. But of course whether it was 100 years ago in
course whether it was 100 years ago in the time of Tesla the real Tesla not the
the time of Tesla the real Tesla not the Tesla car company
Tesla car company or now it's the same powerful industrial
or now it's the same powerful industrial global interests that don't want it out
global interests that don't want it out right to the detriment of 99.999%
right to the detriment of 99.999% of humanity. So, at a certain point, I
of humanity. So, at a certain point, I think that we're going to have to say,
think that we're going to have to say, well, we have to start that process
well, we have to start that process somehow. And this this document that
somehow. And this this document that this research by the Federation of
this research by the Federation of American Scientists found that in 1970,
American Scientists found that in 1970, there was a solar panel as efficient or
there was a solar panel as efficient or more than anything we have today. And it
more than anything we have today. And it had a national security seizure order on
had a national security seizure order on it because it would have the price point
it because it would have the price point of that would have compet competed with
of that would have compet competed with coal and and gas back then, 50 years
coal and and gas back then, 50 years ago, 50 some years ago. So this
ago, 50 some years ago. So this nonsense, the abuse, here it is, the
nonsense, the abuse, here it is, the abuse of the National Security Authority
abuse of the National Security Authority under patent and invention laws and that
under patent and invention laws and that continues even if you don't patent your
continues even if you don't patent your technology, they'll storm troopers will
technology, they'll storm troopers will come into your lab and take it, right?
come into your lab and take it, right? You don't even have to apply for a
You don't even have to apply for a patent once they find out you have
patent once they find out you have something like that. So this thuggery,
something like that. So this thuggery, which is what it is, um makes a mockery
which is what it is, um makes a mockery out of democracy, but also out of a free
out of democracy, but also out of a free market. You know, everybody, oh, we have
market. You know, everybody, oh, we have a free market economy. I said, like the
a free market economy. I said, like the hell we do. I mean, how do you have a
hell we do. I mean, how do you have a free market economy if the most
free market economy if the most important inventions of the last hundred
important inventions of the last hundred years have been ruthlessly suppressed to
years have been ruthlessly suppressed to the benefit of a handful of global
the benefit of a handful of global oligarchs? Nonsense.
oligarchs? Nonsense. Ridiculous. It's a myth.
Ridiculous. It's a myth. Well, you said that the alien crisis
Well, you said that the alien crisis that no one is talking about is humans
that no one is talking about is humans reverse engineering ET technology to use
reverse engineering ET technology to use against other ETs.
against other ETs. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> So, we're developing alien weapons to
>> So, we're developing alien weapons to kill other aliens,
kill other aliens, >> right? So, this is a real problem
>> right? So, this is a real problem because I mentioned earlier the
because I mentioned earlier the technology curve isn't flat, you know,
technology curve isn't flat, you know, it's actually exponential. And so you
it's actually exponential. And so you have people who have reverse engineered
have people who have reverse engineered extraterrestrial technologies from craft
extraterrestrial technologies from craft that we've acquired.
that we've acquired. >> Okay. Are you talking about scalar
>> Okay. Are you talking about scalar waves?
waves? >> Part of it.
>> Part of it. >> Part of it.
>> Part of it. >> And but and more. And then those then
>> And but and more. And then those then get turned into weapon systems that are
get turned into weapon systems that are used against non-human craft and ETSs to
used against non-human craft and ETSs to down more of them to study more of them.
down more of them to study more of them. >> Ah okay. So it's not that we just want
>> Ah okay. So it's not that we just want to kill ETS but we want more technology.
to kill ETS but we want more technology. >> Oh yeah. So it's a it's a money and
>> Oh yeah. So it's a it's a money and technology graph pure and simple.
technology graph pure and simple. >> What are scalar waves?
>> What are scalar waves? >> So scalar Tesla I think was an early
>> So scalar Tesla I think was an early sort of person who described and
sort of person who described and experimented with them I think in the
experimented with them I think in the 20s30s perhaps I have to look it up but
20s30s perhaps I have to look it up but a scalar u so the light we see in this
a scalar u so the light we see in this room just make it really simple is a
room just make it really simple is a wave right? So it's vac the the vacuum
wave right? So it's vac the the vacuum as it were, you have this wavelength of
as it were, you have this wavelength of light passing through at 186,000 m per
light passing through at 186,000 m per second. So every second it goes 186,000
second. So every second it goes 186,000 miles. A lightyear is 186,000 miles
miles. A lightyear is 186,000 miles every second for a whole year. That is
every second for a whole year. That is one light year.
one light year. It's okay. Now imagine what if you had
It's okay. Now imagine what if you had what they call a scalar. It's actually a
what they call a scalar. It's actually a point that comes out in a straight line.
point that comes out in a straight line. So it's not propagating in a waveform,
So it's not propagating in a waveform, which means it's multiples of the speed
which means it's multiples of the speed of light, which means it goes boom like
of light, which means it goes boom like multiples of speed. So when we detonated
multiples of speed. So when we detonated the first atomic bomb, for example, this
the first atomic bomb, for example, this is gets back to why all the ETs started
is gets back to why all the ETs started coming in in force in the 40s and 50s is
coming in in force in the 40s and 50s is that a tenant with the electromagnetic
that a tenant with the electromagnetic pulse, which everybody knows what that
pulse, which everybody knows what that is. You can put a EMP up above LA and
is. You can put a EMP up above LA and take out the whole grid, right? But an
take out the whole grid, right? But an electromagnetic pulse has within it a
electromagnetic pulse has within it a scalar signal that propagates at
scalar signal that propagates at multiples of the speed of light and
multiples of the speed of light and disrupts interstellar communication and
disrupts interstellar communication and travel. That's why it sort of rips the
travel. That's why it sort of rips the fabric of the 3D cosmos. So that's why
fabric of the 3D cosmos. So that's why once we started detonating those, it was
once we started detonating those, it was uh one one MI6 guy I interviewed years
uh one one MI6 guy I interviewed years ago. Um
ago. Um uh he he had been [clears throat]
uh he he had been [clears throat] military intelligence in Great Britain
military intelligence in Great Britain and then he published a a a magazine
and then he published a a a magazine called Flying Saucer Review. Don't you
called Flying Saucer Review. Don't you love the name? And I interviewed him at
love the name? And I interviewed him at his cottage in England and great guy,
his cottage in England and great guy, brilliant guy. He says, well, he says,
brilliant guy. He says, well, he says, when we did that, we kind of kicked a
when we did that, we kind of kicked a hornets's nest because it not only was
hornets's nest because it not only was very disruptive to these other
very disruptive to these other civilizations systems because we're
civilizations systems because we're thinking straight line here to another
thinking straight line here to another star system taking 8 years at the speed
star system taking 8 years at the speed of light. No, no, no, no, no. Forget
of light. No, no, no, no, no. Forget that. We're now talking about
that. We're now talking about transdimensional technologies and scalar
transdimensional technologies and scalar ones that are much faster. And so they
ones that are much faster. And so they the ETSs knew, whoo, a big red flag over
the ETSs knew, whoo, a big red flag over planet Earth. We've gone from uh machine
planet Earth. We've gone from uh machine guns and or musketss or bows and arrows
guns and or musketss or bows and arrows to thermonuclear weapons, right? Within
to thermonuclear weapons, right? Within about 100 years. Think about it. From
about 100 years. Think about it. From 1945, the atomic bomb 100 years earlier,
1945, the atomic bomb 100 years earlier, 1845, what were we using? You know,
1845, what were we using? You know, rifle. We didn't have a machine gun. We
rifle. We didn't have a machine gun. We didn't have tanks. We didn't have
didn't have tanks. We didn't have airplanes. So in a hundred years,
airplanes. So in a hundred years, imagine if your civilizations monitoring
imagine if your civilizations monitoring the earth, and they have been, and we go
the earth, and they have been, and we go from that, even though it's
from that, even though it's dysfunctional that we're having endless
dysfunctional that we're having endless wars, but we go from that to a
wars, but we go from that to a technological breakthrough where we are
technological breakthrough where we are not only a threat to all life on Earth,
not only a threat to all life on Earth, we're now a threat to other planets
we're now a threat to other planets because they can they can extrapolate
because they can they can extrapolate into the future. And then add to that we
into the future. And then add to that we started studying
started studying very advanced extraterrestrial
very advanced extraterrestrial technologies. And to give you an idea
technologies. And to give you an idea how advanced they are, I'll just give a
how advanced they are, I'll just give a little quote from uh the the director of
little quote from uh the the director of the Lockheed Skunk Works, the president
the Lockheed Skunk Works, the president of the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich,
of the Lockheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich, the week he died, before he died, he
the week he died, before he died, he spoke to a friend of mine, uh James
spoke to a friend of mine, uh James Goodall, who's a aerospace historian,
Goodall, who's a aerospace historian, illustrator, and he said, well,
illustrator, and he said, well, he says, anything you can imagine or
he says, anything you can imagine or that you've seen on Star Trek,
that you've seen on Star Trek, we've already done at the Skunk Works.
we've already done at the Skunk Works. It's out in the desert, he says. But not
It's out in the desert, he says. But not Area 51. I know where it is. I've been
Area 51. I know where it is. I've been to the site where that is. And so
to the site where that is. And so whatever people think humans have
whatever people think humans have figured out, it's way more. But imagine
figured out, it's way more. But imagine that being in the hands of a group of
that being in the hands of a group of sociopaths, right? With the kind of
sociopaths, right? With the kind of malcontents and sociopathic behavior
malcontents and sociopathic behavior they have. That is a serious national
they have. That is a serious national security threat and a world security
security threat and a world security threat. It's a five alarm fire. That
threat. It's a five alarm fire. That five alarm fire. No one's looking at it
five alarm fire. No one's looking at it because if you don't know about it,
because if you don't know about it, you're not looking at the problem,
you're not looking at the problem, right? And that's true whether it's the
right? And that's true whether it's the president or the prime minister of the
president or the prime minister of the UK or the Congress or whoever it is. So
UK or the Congress or whoever it is. So when I realized this, that's this is
when I realized this, that's this is part of what led me to leave my medical
part of what led me to leave my medical career and work on this is that this is
career and work on this is that this is a great problem. If you it's got to get
a great problem. If you it's got to get fixed. Uh, and ultimately I think the
fixed. Uh, and ultimately I think the most dangerous part of this is that I've
most dangerous part of this is that I've heard from three different sources don't
heard from three different sources don't know each other who've been in
know each other who've been in communication centers that ETSs can only
communication centers that ETSs can only allow us to go so far using that kind of
allow us to go so far using that kind of technology against nonhumans because
technology against nonhumans because then we become an existential threat to
then we become an existential threat to other places, right? And but it so if we
other places, right? And but it so if we humans don't fix this and stand down
humans don't fix this and stand down those uh quite frankly illegal covert
those uh quite frankly illegal covert operations they'll have to but then it
operations they'll have to but then it will look like independent stay right so
will look like independent stay right so we do not want to have that as the
we do not want to have that as the option we want to fix this humans need
option we want to fix this humans need to fix this ourselves uh but it's going
to fix this ourselves uh but it's going to take a lot of courage there are three
to take a lot of courage there are three things so far been lacking is in the 35
things so far been lacking is in the 35 years I've been doing this from our
years I've been doing this from our leaders
leaders not from these special forces guys I
not from these special forces guys I work with. They're they're amazing.
work with. They're they're amazing. But and it's three things. I call it EC.
But and it's three things. I call it EC. It's like going to Paris here. ICI. It's
It's like going to Paris here. ICI. It's the intelligence to understand this and
the intelligence to understand this and really drill down on it. It's the
really drill down on it. It's the courage to take it on because you're
courage to take it on because you're going to have everything thrown at you
going to have everything thrown at you and the integrity
and the integrity not to get bought off or bribed or
not to get bought off or bribed or blackmailed. Uh and those are hard
blackmailed. Uh and those are hard thing. That's the trifecta of what's
thing. That's the trifecta of what's needed to do this and that's going to be
needed to do this and that's going to be the test for Congress and the president,
the test for Congress and the president, whoever it is, right? Because I know
whoever it is, right? Because I know what's going to be thrown at them and
what's going to be thrown at them and and uh so that that's where it gets into
and uh so that that's where it gets into a certain level. They need to be aware
a certain level. They need to be aware of the issue and then they need to
of the issue and then they need to authorize the team that I'm working with
authorize the team that I'm working with that I can't say much about that or have
that I can't say much about that or have been uh they need authorization to get
been uh they need authorization to get these under control and they are all
these under control and they are all former special forces guys who've
former special forces guys who've separated from the military who are
separated from the military who are ready to go today right now but they're
ready to go today right now but they're going to have to have the support both
going to have to have the support both both the funding and the legal support
both the funding and the legal support to do it. Um, so my job has been to
to do it. Um, so my job has been to advise them and give them all the
advise them and give them all the intelligence I have. And if you go and
intelligence I have. And if you go and you look at this this um briefing
you look at this this um briefing document, this is the Oh, you got a hard
document, this is the Oh, you got a hard copy. I didn't know we got one. First
copy. I didn't know we got one. First hard copy.
hard copy. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> So, this is the new briefing document
>> So, this is the new briefing document for um the White House and and members
for um the White House and and members of Congress. Um, it's redacted with
of Congress. Um, it's redacted with individual names and things that are
individual names and things that are sensitive, but I've never done this, but
sensitive, but I've never done this, but we made it available to the public uh
we made it available to the public uh this week and you can order it um at I
this week and you can order it um at I think it's drsteeenphengrrewer.com
think it's drsteeenphengrrewer.com or seriousdisclosure.com. You can put
or seriousdisclosure.com. You can put the link up and it has all that in
the link up and it has all that in there. It has a whole list of the 155
there. It has a whole list of the 155 black sites. It has the Here's a map of
black sites. It has the Here's a map of them.
them. >> Those are the black sites.
>> Those are the black sites. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. You want to know where they are
>> Yeah. You want to know where they are and what's there? It's in here.
and what's there? It's in here. >> Okay. All right. Any close to here?
>> Okay. All right. Any close to here? >> Huh?
>> Huh? >> Oh, yeah.
>> Oh, yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, sure. [laughter]
>> Oh, sure. [laughter] >> Absolutely.
>> Absolutely. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> I've been at a lot of them. Not all of
>> I've been at a lot of them. Not all of them. I But I have witnesses have
them. I But I have witnesses have whistleblowers who've been operational
uh information. People who are tactically there, you know. Um imagine
tactically there, you know. Um imagine debriefing hundreds of people like Jake
debriefing hundreds of people like Jake Barber.
Barber. >> Mhm. So, I'll sign this to you.
>> Mhm. So, I'll sign this to you. >> Please do.
>> Please do. >> Should we?
>> Should we? >> Yeah, let's do it. [laughter]
>> Yeah, let's do it. [laughter] >> And now this other one. You want someone
>> And now this other one. You want someone hand that to me or no? Could you grab a
hand that to me or no? Could you grab a J?
J? >> There you go. And then this one.
>> There you go. And then this one. This is will come out in a hard co copy
This is will come out in a hard co copy in a few weeks. So, this is really cool.
in a few weeks. So, this is really cool. So, I collaborated with uh the crash
So, I collaborated with uh the crash retrieval expert Michael Schat on this.
retrieval expert Michael Schat on this. And this is a whole collection of both
And this is a whole collection of both the historic but also the newer crash
the historic but also the newer crash retrievals all illustrated in each case.
retrievals all illustrated in each case. You'll see the object and you'll see let
You'll see the object and you'll see let me find one that the camera Oh, here's
me find one that the camera Oh, here's Herreras. So here's for example the uh
Herreras. So here's for example the uh craft that crashed
craft that crashed uh I mean was abducting and and
uh I mean was abducting and and transporting people. This is the
transporting people. This is the Indonesia
Indonesia 2009 event.
2009 event. >> A very good representation. And the
>> A very good representation. And the crate there had people in it. And then
crate there had people in it. And then this is a summary on the on the other
this is a summary on the on the other side of the page of 30 pages of
side of the page of 30 pages of testimony into a couple paragraphs,
testimony into a couple paragraphs, right? And on the following page is
right? And on the following page is another illustration and then my
another illustration and then my commentary. So that's what this has just
commentary. So that's what this has just come out and you can get this and it it
come out and you can get this and it it it covers the most important cases in
it covers the most important cases in history. Every single one of them
history. Every single one of them though, we took out anything that didn't
though, we took out anything that didn't have a named whistleblower witness who
have a named whistleblower witness who was there or involved, whether it was
was there or involved, whether it was police, military, corporate. Right. So,
police, military, corporate. Right. So, this is just available, too. I'll sign
this is just available, too. I'll sign it for you. Thank you.
it for you. Thank you. >> [snorts]
>> [snorts] >> Well, you claimed that JFK was killed
>> Well, you claimed that JFK was killed because he had fired Alan Dulles, who
because he had fired Alan Dulles, who was going to release info on UFO
was going to release info on UFO secrets. And I guess you claimed that
secrets. And I guess you claimed that Bobby Kennedy, there was a similar
Bobby Kennedy, there was a similar situation going on as well.
situation going on as well. >> No, he he wasn't. You kind of got it
>> No, he he wasn't. You kind of got it backwards. Jack Kennedy was killed
backwards. Jack Kennedy was killed because he wanted to get the CIA under
because he wanted to get the CIA under control and him back in control of these
control and him back in control of these covert UFO related programs. and
covert UFO related programs. and associated programs, energy, propulsion,
associated programs, energy, propulsion, all of it. And Alan Dulles, who helped
all of it. And Alan Dulles, who helped start the CIA with the billionaire Paul
start the CIA with the billionaire Paul Milan, whose grandson I've been working
Milan, whose grandson I've been working with,
with, uh he uh very interestingly said what he
uh he uh very interestingly said what he said was
said was uh
uh they were going to put through a federal
they were going to put through a federal review process and I know RFK Jr. said
review process and I know RFK Jr. said this on some years ago on I think Larry
this on some years ago on I think Larry King and that President Kennedy was
King and that President Kennedy was going to basically dissolve or totally
going to basically dissolve or totally reform the CIA. And in the process of
reform the CIA. And in the process of that, Jack Kennedy fired Alan Dulles who
that, Jack Kennedy fired Alan Dulles who had been instrumental in forming the CIA
had been instrumental in forming the CIA after the Roswell crash in 1947.
after the Roswell crash in 1947. And because of that, they said, "Oh, no,
And because of that, they said, "Oh, no, you're not." and they set up an
you're not." and they set up an assassination with mult paths and all
assassination with mult paths and all that. So we know that that's the case
that. So we know that that's the case and I have people in Europe as well as
and I have people in Europe as well as in US that have information on all of
in US that have information on all of that. Uh I think also Bobby Kennedy
that. Uh I think also Bobby Kennedy senior RFK Jr.'s dad
senior RFK Jr.'s dad >> um and I have a I have a letter. It's
>> um and I have a I have a letter. It's very interesting. It's in our archive
very interesting. It's in our archive and it was dated May 1968, a month
and it was dated May 1968, a month before they killed Bobby Kennedy. And
before they killed Bobby Kennedy. And it's Bobby Kennedy saying, I'm kind of
it's Bobby Kennedy saying, I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but he says, "I'm a
paraphrasing here, but he says, "I'm a card carrying member of the Amalgamated
card carrying member of the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Association of America.
Flying Saucer Association of America. They were called Flying Saucers back
They were called Flying Saucers back then." And it's signed by Bobby Kennedy
then." And it's signed by Bobby Kennedy and how important this was. and I he
and how important this was. and I he wanted to get to the bottom of it if he
wanted to get to the bottom of it if he had become president and a month later
had become president and a month later he was dead. Right? So this issue is the
he was dead. Right? So this issue is the third rail. I mean a lot of people this
third rail. I mean a lot of people this is one of the problems is that when
is one of the problems is that when people realize what the gravity of the
people realize what the gravity of the situation is that this comes out it's
situation is that this comes out it's going to change almost every aspect of
going to change almost every aspect of life on earth honestly. And there are
life on earth honestly. And there are people who don't want that to happen.
people who don't want that to happen. There are religious people who don't. We
There are religious people who don't. We can talk about that. There are
can talk about that. There are technological people who don't. There's
technological people who don't. There's financial oil and other uh interests
financial oil and other uh interests that don't. And so, uh, anyone who wants
that don't. And so, uh, anyone who wants to move in that direction ends up
to move in that direction ends up getting runs into this buzzsaw, right?
getting runs into this buzzsaw, right? And it makes sense. And, uh, I tell this
And it makes sense. And, uh, I tell this very funny story back in 1993, September
very funny story back in 1993, September 93, and I was with Lawrence Rockefeller
93, and I was with Lawrence Rockefeller at the Rockefeller ranch out in the
at the Rockefeller ranch out in the Tetons. And a lot of people don't know
Tetons. And a lot of people don't know the Teton, Grand Tetons were owned by
the Teton, Grand Tetons were owned by the Rockefellers. They owned everything.
the Rockefellers. They owned everything. And they gave it to the US government as
And they gave it to the US government as a national park, but they kept out this
a national park, but they kept out this really cool ranch in this remote area
really cool ranch in this remote area called the JY Ranch. And so I was
called the JY Ranch. And so I was invited to come out there and and late
invited to come out there and and late at night,
at night, I was out on one of the decks by uh
I was out on one of the decks by uh there was a bronze statue of a Native
there was a bronze statue of a Native American on horse. I think it was a
American on horse. I think it was a Remington original. And Lawrence
Remington original. And Lawrence Rockefeller turns to me. He says, "You
Rockefeller turns to me. He says, "You know, Dr. Greer, no aspect of life on
know, Dr. Greer, no aspect of life on Earth will be unchanged by this being
Earth will be unchanged by this being disclosed." I said, 'I know, Lawrence.
disclosed." I said, 'I know, Lawrence. That's why it's so secret,
That's why it's so secret, >> and they've taken such extraordinary
>> and they've taken such extraordinary means, including killing a former
means, including killing a former president.
president. >> But and and he did help. I mean, he
>> But and and he did help. I mean, he hosted the Clintons there. Um he was a
hosted the Clintons there. Um he was a conduit for information. Um he was not
conduit for information. Um he was not involved in setting up the briefing I
involved in setting up the briefing I did for the CI director for for
did for the CI director for for President Clinton. In fact, he was
President Clinton. In fact, he was shocked that that was being set up when
shocked that that was being set up when I was at the ranch. And he was like, "Oh
I was at the ranch. And he was like, "Oh my god, really?" I said, "Yeah." He
my god, really?" I said, "Yeah." He says, "Why are you shooting?" I said,
says, "Why are you shooting?" I said, "Well, I'm going to Wright Patterson Air
"Well, I'm going to Wright Patterson Air Force Base where some of the original
Force Base where some of the original Roswell bodies and stuff were taken.
Roswell bodies and stuff were taken. When I leave your ranch, I'm going
When I leave your ranch, I'm going straight there to meet with the director
straight there to meet with the director of that part of that compartmented
of that part of that compartmented operation."
operation." Well, you said in spring of 2023 uh
Well, you said in spring of 2023 uh before the election, a team of people
before the election, a team of people worked out uh reached out to you
worked out uh reached out to you >> uh who worked at black sites dealing
>> uh who worked at black sites dealing with UAPs.
with UAPs. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> And
>> And they were going to come forward with a
they were going to come forward with a bunch of evidence
bunch of evidence >> talking about earlier. Yes.
>> talking about earlier. Yes. >> Yeah. But only a few seconds ended up
>> Yeah. But only a few seconds ended up being released.
being released. >> That's right.
>> That's right. >> What was released exactly?
>> What was released exactly? >> Well, you saw the Jake Barber um the
>> Well, you saw the Jake Barber um the egg.
egg. >> Aha. So that was part of that same
>> Aha. So that was part of that same thing. Jake Barber was part of that,
thing. Jake Barber was part of that, right?
right? >> Part of that. Yeah.
>> Part of that. Yeah. >> Aha. Okay. And
>> Aha. Okay. And >> but there's a great deal more. What I'm
>> but there's a great deal more. What I'm what I said earlier, if you remember my
what I said earlier, if you remember my comment on that, was that the plan was
comment on that, was that the plan was those folks were not going to be known
those folks were not going to be known publicly and that it would just be an
publicly and that it would just be an enormous amount of of uh evidence and
enormous amount of of uh evidence and and materials and video and stuff of
and materials and video and stuff of these sort of operations that would get
these sort of operations that would get released. and we were going to we
released. and we were going to we actually built a blockchain system to do
actually built a blockchain system to do it. We still have it.
it. We still have it. >> Um but then it was decided that that
>> Um but then it was decided that that would be too catastrophic and that there
would be too catastrophic and that there weren't preparations adequate in either
weren't preparations adequate in either Congress or the White House to deal with
Congress or the White House to deal with it and that to kind of delay that. Okay.
it and that to kind of delay that. Okay. So that's how that's what I was
So that's how that's what I was referring to earlier. Yeah.
referring to earlier. Yeah. >> Right. Well, you
>> Right. Well, you >> It's not just him. There's a whole group
>> It's not just him. There's a whole group of folks. Yeah. bit.
of folks. Yeah. bit. >> Well, you had mentioned Michael Herrera
>> Well, you had mentioned Michael Herrera before uh in this talk and you know
before uh in this talk and you know there was a six-man unit that saw a
there was a six-man unit that saw a hovering uh octagon UFO being loaded
hovering uh octagon UFO being loaded with weapons by unmarked US forces who
with weapons by unmarked US forces who threatened him at gunpoint in Indonesia.
threatened him at gunpoint in Indonesia. And you said he's the only guy I ever
And you said he's the only guy I ever heard who actually talked about this and
heard who actually talked about this and wasn't killed.
wasn't killed. >> Correct. I've never heard of someone
>> Correct. I've never heard of someone witnessing an operation like that who
witnessing an operation like that who wasn't subsequently killed.
wasn't subsequently killed. >> So, everyone else who touched on this
>> So, everyone else who touched on this were taken out.
were taken out. >> Not on that platoon. I think that he
>> Not on that platoon. I think that he feels like the only reason they didn't
feels like the only reason they didn't flat out kill him is that there were a
flat out kill him is that there were a whole lot of his other expeditionary
whole lot of his other expeditionary force around. They would have heard it,
force around. They would have heard it, known they were missing, and would have
known they were missing, and would have caught that operation red-handed. So I
caught that operation red-handed. So I think they did a risk benefit analysis
think they did a risk benefit analysis decided let's let these boys live right
decided let's let these boys live right but then they when they went back on on
but then they when they went back on on the ship that their their marine ship
the ship that their their marine ship hooked [snorts] up later I forget what
hooked [snorts] up later I forget what port it's in its testimony and you know
port it's in its testimony and you know like some guys came on and threatened
like some guys came on and threatened them took their phones took everything
them took their phones took everything and and basic and made them sign
and and basic and made them sign non-disclosure agreements. So his other
non-disclosure agreements. So his other five the other five men who were with
five the other five men who were with him are terrified to come forward.
him are terrified to come forward. Herrera is a very courageous guy
Herrera is a very courageous guy honestly. Um but he didn't know what was
honestly. Um but he didn't know what was in that crate until Jake Barber was at
in that crate until Jake Barber was at the conference that I did in 2023 at the
the conference that I did in 2023 at the National Press Club and the the weekend
National Press Club and the the weekend before at the Marriott. and he saw that
before at the Marriott. and he saw that illustration we had done and he
illustration we had done and he immediately texted me and we went to the
immediately texted me and we went to the green room where I was being held and he
green room where I was being held and he said, "Those aren't drugs. Those are
said, "Those aren't drugs. Those are people in there." I went, "What?"
people in there." I went, "What?" So, see, Michael Herrera didn't know. He
So, see, Michael Herrera didn't know. He just assumed it was drugs and guns being
just assumed it was drugs and guns being run by a clandestine operation because
run by a clandestine operation because they make a lot of money that way and
they make a lot of money that way and drug trade, very lucrative cash.
drug trade, very lucrative cash. No, these were uh people who were going
No, these were uh people who were going to be used in P3 psionic
to be used in P3 psionic training and experimentationists.
training and experimentationists. So, which was even worse. So, oh my god,
So, which was even worse. So, oh my god, what's worse than transporting drugs
what's worse than transporting drugs through a clandestine covert illegal
through a clandestine covert illegal operation is people, right?
operation is people, right? >> And P3 stands for
>> And P3 stands for >> uh psionic potential.
>> uh psionic potential. Sorry, I'm blocking on the third, but
Sorry, I'm blocking on the third, but it's basically telepathic.
it's basically telepathic. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Capability.
>> Capability. You know, a lot of what you do has the
You know, a lot of what you do has the word disclosure in it. Mhm.
word disclosure in it. Mhm. >> And uh Stephen Spielberg uh his latest
>> And uh Stephen Spielberg uh his latest film actually changed the title to
film actually changed the title to disclosure.
disclosure. >> I know. I should have copyrighted that.
>> I know. I should have copyrighted that. [laughter]
[laughter] >> Right. And I mean Spielberg has a
>> Right. And I mean Spielberg has a history of doing things with aliens,
history of doing things with aliens, >> you know, in terms of topics in his
>> you know, in terms of topics in his movies. The most famous of which
movies. The most famous of which >> uh well, there's a few. There is Close
>> uh well, there's a few. There is Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
Encounters of the Third Kind. >> Yeah, that's the best one.
>> Yeah, that's the best one. >> Uh there's also ET.
>> Uh there's also ET. >> ET. That was sweet.
>> ET. That was sweet. >> Yeah. But uh Close Encounters of the
>> Yeah. But uh Close Encounters of the Third Kind uh there was a guy named
Third Kind uh there was a guy named Jacques Vali. Valet Valet.
Jacques Vali. Valet Valet. >> That's the one who has that CIA
>> That's the one who has that CIA document.
document. >> Abductions. Yeah.
>> Abductions. Yeah. >> And he was actually consultant on that
>> And he was actually consultant on that film.
film. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> And you know Jacques?
>> And you know Jacques? >> Uh yes. I don't know him well. I know of
>> Uh yes. I don't know him well. I know of him and met him. But and also JLen
him and met him. But and also JLen Heinik who had been head of Project Blue
Heinik who had been head of Project Blue Book was a consultant on the film.
Book was a consultant on the film. >> Okay. makes a cameo appearance actually
>> Okay. makes a cameo appearance actually towards the end there as a bearded
towards the end there as a bearded white-haired scientist. Yeah. And he was
white-haired scientist. Yeah. And he was the head of Project Blue Book for the
the head of Project Blue Book for the Air Force that studied UFOs.
Air Force that studied UFOs. >> I mean, when you see that film, Close
>> I mean, when you see that film, Close Encounters, is there anything in there
Encounters, is there anything in there that's actually based on what you found
that's actually based on what you found or is it all fiction?
or is it all fiction? >> No. Well, oh, obviously it's Hollywood,
>> No. Well, oh, obviously it's Hollywood, but actually most of what's portrayed,
but actually most of what's portrayed, it's like a docu drama. uh most of what
it's like a docu drama. uh most of what what was in there was portrayed based on
what was in there was portrayed based on actual events that had happened.
actual events that had happened. >> Um so I the way it was explained to me
>> Um so I the way it was explained to me uh I know it when it was shown at the
uh I know it when it was shown at the Reagan White House
Reagan White House uh President Reagan stood up and said
uh President Reagan stood up and said there are only a couple people in this
there are only a couple people in this room who know how true to life that film
room who know how true to life that film is.
is. >> Okay. Wow. I know two no I know three
>> Okay. Wow. I know two no I know three people I think two of them are dead now
people I think two of them are dead now who were in the screening at the White
who were in the screening at the White House when they showed that. So you know
House when they showed that. So you know it's a docu drama. Great and classic
it's a docu drama. Great and classic movie. Now this new one I have no idea
movie. Now this new one I have no idea what it'll be. Um I I don't know Mr.
what it'll be. Um I I don't know Mr. Spielberg. I' I've met his son Max but I
Spielberg. I' I've met his son Max but I I don't know him.
I don't know him. >> Well Jacqu Valet was actually there was
>> Well Jacqu Valet was actually there was a character based on him in that film.
a character based on him in that film. Not only was he a consultant but they
Not only was he a consultant but they actually had a character.
actually had a character. >> Correct. I was portraying to be him,
>> Correct. I was portraying to be him, >> right?
>> right? >> You know, and you know, of course, ET
>> You know, and you know, of course, ET with the the way ET looks, I mean, I
with the the way ET looks, I mean, I don't know about the neck that goes up,
don't know about the neck that goes up, but in general, these are very alien
but in general, these are very alien looking
looking >> kind of
>> kind of >> beings that you you know, you've seen in
>> beings that you you know, you've seen in Hollywood and you've seen and so forth,
Hollywood and you've seen and so forth, >> right?
>> right? >> Um, was that based on anything or was
>> Um, was that based on anything or was that just all fiction as well?
that just all fiction as well? >> Well, I mean, I think some of them
>> Well, I mean, I think some of them probably resemble somewhat like that,
probably resemble somewhat like that, but it's Hollywood. But I mean, you're
but it's Hollywood. But I mean, you're going to take, you know, artistic
going to take, you know, artistic license and do things that look a way
license and do things that look a way that would grab people visually, but um,
that would grab people visually, but um, you know, I I I'm sure from what I
you know, I I I'm sure from what I understand, there are some ETs that
understand, there are some ETs that would be similar to those. Um, uh, there
would be similar to those. Um, uh, there are some that have a very triangular
are some that have a very triangular head, for example. We have one that came
head, for example. We have one that came to one of our C5 events that we have a
to one of our C5 events that we have a photograph of that was I was here and a
photograph of that was I was here and a young medical student was here and the
young medical student was here and the ET was there and
ET was there and >> you sat next to an ET.
>> you sat next to an ET. >> Yeah. You haven't seen the picture of
>> Yeah. You haven't seen the picture of it.
it. >> I can I'll text it to you.
>> I can I'll text it to you. >> So you were right there with an a living
>> So you were right there with an a living ET.
ET. >> Yeah. And there was an elderly man who
>> Yeah. And there was an elderly man who had had his hearing loss since he was an
had had his hearing loss since he was an a teenager. And that night he had
a teenager. And that night he had contact with this being and it healed
contact with this being and it healed him of his healing loss.
him of his healing loss. >> No one's on drugs either. This is a cool
>> No one's on drugs either. This is a cool picture.
picture. >> Okay. Is it in one of these books that
>> Okay. Is it in one of these books that you gave me?
you gave me? >> Um I'm not sure if it is. Um
>> Um I'm not sure if it is. Um >> but you're going to text me a picture.
>> but you're going to text me a picture. >> Sure. If you want.
>> Sure. If you want. >> You want to do it right now? So So we we
>> You want to do it right now? So So we we don't forget.
don't forget. >> I thought you had seen the movie Close
>> I thought you had seen the movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.
Encounters of the Fifth Kind. >> Of the Fifth Kind.
>> Of the Fifth Kind. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> What's that?
>> What's that? need to see. This is on the record.
need to see. This is on the record. Everyone needs to see Close Encounters
Everyone needs to see Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind.
of the Fifth Kind. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> I've seen them all.
>> I've seen them all. >> You've seen this?
>> You've seen this? >> Oh, yeah. It's it it is amazing.
>> Oh, yeah. It's it it is amazing. >> Who made it?
>> Who made it? >> Oh. Oh, this is yours. Ah, okay.
>> Oh. Oh, this is yours. Ah, okay. >> And what is a fifth kind encounter?
>> And what is a fifth kind encounter? >> It's where we intend and invite them to
>> It's where we intend and invite them to come.
come. >> Uhhuh.
>> Uhhuh. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Right. Because a close encounter of the
>> Right. Because a close encounter of the third kind is contact, right?
third kind is contact, right? >> It's just when you see a biological
>> It's just when you see a biological even and ET. Yeah.
even and ET. Yeah. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> I'll send you one and and then another
>> I'll send you one and and then another one. This is at night full darkness.
one. This is at night full darkness. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> And you'll like this, I think. And then
>> And you'll like this, I think. And then I have another cool one where there it
I have another cool one where there it was so cold we went inside and there
was so cold we went inside and there were these two ETs that sat in our
were these two ETs that sat in our chairs that have these conicle heads.
chairs that have these conicle heads. It's less clear, but it's very cool. And
It's less clear, but it's very cool. And then there is this cool, my favorite is
then there is this cool, my favorite is this one. It's so abstract, but um I
this one. It's so abstract, but um I call this the sort of a light beam where
call this the sort of a light beam where it's an advanced species that's so
it's an advanced species that's so advanced.
advanced. >> You know, we talked about the different
>> You know, we talked about the different types of alien species. There's like 69
types of alien species. There's like 69 that we potentially know of. Now, what's
that we potentially know of. Now, what's the difference between extraterrestrials
the difference between extraterrestrials versus light entities or
versus light entities or interdimensional beings or plasmoids?
interdimensional beings or plasmoids? >> Great question, and it it causes a lot
>> Great question, and it it causes a lot of confusion. So on my YouTube channel,
of confusion. So on my YouTube channel, I've just started my own podcast, the
I've just started my own podcast, the Dr. Steven Greer to show, and every week
Dr. Steven Greer to show, and every week you can get update on what's going on.
you can get update on what's going on. Now, in one of the YouTube uh videos on
Now, in one of the YouTube uh videos on that site,
that site, excuse me, it has a whole deep dive into
excuse me, it has a whole deep dive into what I call ETS and the new cosmology.
what I call ETS and the new cosmology. What kind of understanding of the cosmos
What kind of understanding of the cosmos is needed. Now I think one of the
is needed. Now I think one of the biggest sources of confusion on this
biggest sources of confusion on this subject is the co-mingling
subject is the co-mingling and confusion between
and confusion between interstellar extraterrestrial biological
interstellar extraterrestrial biological entities and their craft, man-made
entities and their craft, man-made lookalikes. And the third people call
lookalikes. And the third people call extradimensional or interdimensional
extradimensional or interdimensional entities. Um, and that's where you get
entities. Um, and that's where you get folks who confuse something that's from
folks who confuse something that's from another dimension with something from
another dimension with something from another star system. And the reason
another star system. And the reason there's a lot of confusion on it, part
there's a lot of confusion on it, part of it deliberate is sort of where they
of it deliberate is sort of where they want to show paranormal onto UFO
want to show paranormal onto UFO science. Uh, and it's risky because when
science. Uh, and it's risky because when you start dealing with extradimensional,
you start dealing with extradimensional, interdimensional, are you talking about
interdimensional, are you talking about angels, demons, bou
angels, demons, bou grandmother who pops into this dimension
grandmother who pops into this dimension like a poltergeist phenomenon? What are
like a poltergeist phenomenon? What are you talking about? So, it's not helpful.
you talking about? So, it's not helpful. And what's what I have seen happen and I
And what's what I have seen happen and I think it's deliberate. I think it's an
think it's deliberate. I think it's an attempt to offiscate confuse people. And
attempt to offiscate confuse people. And offiscation is a very good term. you
offiscation is a very good term. you know, they sort of mix it all together
know, they sort of mix it all together and confuse people looking into this is
and confuse people looking into this is that they will deliberately blend into
that they will deliberately blend into uh ufology and ET. You know, I like
uh ufology and ET. You know, I like being specific. So, I don't like the
being specific. So, I don't like the term alien. Alien means all the above
term alien. Alien means all the above because whatever people think they don't
because whatever people think they don't know, it's alien. It's foreign,
therefore it's alien. Now, I'm very specific. Okay? And you're going to hear
specific. Okay? And you're going to hear a little bit of the obsessive compulsive
a little bit of the obsessive compulsive doctor part come out here. But um I
doctor part come out here. But um I speak of even extraterrestrial
speak of even extraterrestrial biological entities who are from other
biological entities who are from other star systems right specific. That's when
star systems right specific. That's when I say a UFO or ET [snorts] and make a
I say a UFO or ET [snorts] and make a very clear distinction between that and
very clear distinction between that and the man-made craft and critters that are
the man-made craft and critters that are simulate
simulate ETSs that are used in deceptive
ETSs that are used in deceptive operations. And actually the proper name
operations. And actually the proper name for false flag at the Pentagon is a
for false flag at the Pentagon is a deceptive indication and warning
deceptive indication and warning deceptive IMW. So the other is this
deceptive IMW. So the other is this extradimensional or interdimensional
extradimensional or interdimensional phenomenon kind of like Stranger Things
phenomenon kind of like Stranger Things and that's real and you can actually
and that's real and you can actually have physical phenomenon happen and
have physical phenomenon happen and things that you see that aren't
things that you see that aren't extraterrestrial or man-made but that
extraterrestrial or man-made but that are from another dimension. So, three
are from another dimension. So, three things. It's very simple. Real ET,
things. It's very simple. Real ET, man-made UFOs, and fake ETs, and things
man-made UFOs, and fake ETs, and things from other dimensions that are weird.
from other dimensions that are weird. And one of one of the things I think is
And one of one of the things I think is is dangerous about that is that if you
is dangerous about that is that if you don't have enough knowledge to make a
don't have enough knowledge to make a discernment of it, you put them all
discernment of it, you put them all together and there you're lost. Now,
together and there you're lost. Now, you're lost forever. I think this is why
you're lost forever. I think this is why Tucker Carlson um who's a conservative
Tucker Carlson um who's a conservative talk show host now he's been going
talk show host now he's been going around saying well the aliens are demons
around saying well the aliens are demons and they're demonic and they're
and they're demonic and they're because he has been targeted
because he has been targeted with that same crowd of disinformation
with that same crowd of disinformation people with this combination of
people with this combination of UFOs non and that's why I don't like the
UFOs non and that's why I don't like the term NHI or non-human intelligence.
term NHI or non-human intelligence. Well, non-human is what? Dolphins. Some
Well, non-human is what? Dolphins. Some say they're more intelligent than
say they're more intelligent than humans. Wouldn't be hard to be uh
humans. Wouldn't be hard to be uh citations.
citations. Uh something from another dimension.
Uh something from another dimension. Someone from another planet. So, I think
Someone from another planet. So, I think the lack of clarity on the language is
the lack of clarity on the language is actually deliberate and I think it's
actually deliberate and I think it's done to confuse people and to confuse
done to confuse people and to confuse the phenomena plural. So you have
the phenomena plural. So you have multiple phenomena going on all being
multiple phenomena going on all being talked about as as if it's the same
talked about as as if it's the same thing. Not helpful at all. In fact, it's
thing. Not helpful at all. In fact, it's very harmful. And I love when when I was
very harmful. And I love when when I was at the Vatican years ago when Pope John
at the Vatican years ago when Pope John Paul was was Pope, his senior
Paul was was Pope, his senior theologian,
theologian, great guy named Monsor Balduchi. And he
great guy named Monsor Balduchi. And he said,
said, "Neither angels nor demons need flying
"Neither angels nor demons need flying saucers." And he he was it was so
saucers." And he he was it was so simple. And he was a demonologist. He
simple. And he was a demonologist. He was like the top demonologist at the
was like the top demonologist at the Vatican, you know, kind of creepy stuff.
Vatican, you know, kind of creepy stuff. But um but he says, "No, no, it is
But um but he says, "No, no, it is totally separate." And but I think there
totally separate." And but I think there is a deliberate attempt in certain
is a deliberate attempt in certain quarters to conflate, confuse all this
quarters to conflate, confuse all this different phenomena. I'm so glad you
different phenomena. I'm so glad you asked it because uh it's actually one of
asked it because uh it's actually one of the very first things in the briefing
the very first things in the briefing document on on the one pager uh for
document on on the one pager uh for leaders in our country and elsewhere is
leaders in our country and elsewhere is you know these this is what's being
you know these this is what's being confused. So let's get some clarity here
confused. So let's get some clarity here and get get a get our uh you know
and get get a get our uh you know lexicon our word usage down accurately
lexicon our word usage down accurately because otherwise it's you're you're
because otherwise it's you're you're talking around each other. You know what
talking around each other. You know what are you talking about? Uh now there's
are you talking about? Uh now there's another subcategory of extradimensional
another subcategory of extradimensional or interdimensional and that's
or interdimensional and that's humaninduced
humaninduced extradimensional.
extradimensional. So let's say you figured out some very
So let's say you figured out some very sophisticated physics
sophisticated physics electronics at certain frequencies
electronics at certain frequencies you can tap into another dimension and
you can tap into another dimension and pull something out of that dimension
pull something out of that dimension into 3D. It's not extraterrestrial. It's
into 3D. It's not extraterrestrial. It's not in it's not innately coming in. It's
not in it's not innately coming in. It's induced. That's what skinwalker is.
induced. That's what skinwalker is. That's what the Bradshaw Ranch is.
That's what the Bradshaw Ranch is. And I know how they do it. I know who's
And I know how they do it. I know who's doing it. Why they're doing it, right?
doing it. Why they're doing it, right? But that's not the same as
But that's not the same as extraterrestrial.
extraterrestrial. So, you know, here's one of the problems
So, you know, here's one of the problems we have.
we have. You know, I said this earlier, a little
You know, I said this earlier, a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing
knowledge is a very dangerous thing because what happens is when you don't
because what happens is when you don't have enough information. It's it's a
have enough information. It's it's a very confusing picture. And in that
very confusing picture. And in that confusion, you can be led to reach the
confusion, you can be led to reach the wrong conclusions.
wrong conclusions. And that's what's going on in the US
And that's what's going on in the US government and in the public and in the
government and in the public and in the media. Are you familiar with the term
media. Are you familiar with the term cognitive dissonance?
cognitive dissonance? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Now some people have accused people like
Now some people have accused people like you of cognitive dissonance in the terms
you of cognitive dissonance in the terms of this like we understand that within
of this like we understand that within this solar system
this solar system >> there are no aliens
>> there are no aliens >> there are no innate ones that
>> there are no innate ones that >> that we know of you go to any other
>> that we know of you go to any other planet you know we've looked at Mars you
planet you know we've looked at Mars you know Pluto there's probably no life you
know Pluto there's probably no life you know Saturn etc etc etc so if there are
know Saturn etc etc etc so if there are aliens they are from very far away And
aliens they are from very far away And even at light speeded travel,
even at light speeded travel, >> they would die on their way here. So a
>> they would die on their way here. So a concept that you use yourself is that
concept that you use yourself is that they travel interdimensionally. Yep.
they travel interdimensionally. Yep. >> Meaning that they don't travel the way
>> Meaning that they don't travel the way that other physics objects in physics
that other physics objects in physics travel. They travel through a different
travel. They travel through a different means.
means. >> Could someone say, "Well, that's just
>> Could someone say, "Well, that's just cognitive dissonance. You're just
cognitive dissonance. You're just creating a since science doesn't support
creating a since science doesn't support what you're, you know, implying, you
what you're, you know, implying, you create a whole new type of science that
create a whole new type of science that can't necessarily be proven. No,
can't necessarily be proven. No, everything I'm saying it has been proven
everything I'm saying it has been proven is proven. And by the way, I
is proven. And by the way, I [clears throat] always say these are
[clears throat] always say these are TDIS. It's transdimensional
TDIS. It's transdimensional interstellar. So, you're not going to go
interstellar. So, you're not going to go in a straight line. You know, it's you
in a straight line. You know, it's you can't go to the speed of light and stay
can't go to the speed of light and stay linear. You have to drop out of linear
linear. You have to drop out of linear spaceime. you know, it's like an
spaceime. you know, it's like an Einstein Rosen Bridge if you look that
Einstein Rosen Bridge if you look that up or um you know, so you know, instead
up or um you know, so you know, instead of it being a straight line, here's, you
of it being a straight line, here's, you know, you're from here to here, look at
know, you're from here to here, look at it as as a plane, one point, two points,
it as as a plane, one point, two points, you know, you take it like a piece of
you know, you take it like a piece of paper and fold it. So, it's right here.
paper and fold it. So, it's right here. >> So, it's folding spaceime and that's the
>> So, it's folding spaceime and that's the gravitational wave effect. And you have
gravitational wave effect. And you have that ability. Now just because it's not
that ability. Now just because it's not being taught at MIT doesn't mean it
being taught at MIT doesn't mean it doesn't exist because these are
doesn't exist because these are classified technologies. But uh
classified technologies. But uh >> yeah I mean I mean this concept I mean
>> yeah I mean I mean this concept I mean is like a wrinkle in time Narnia right
is like a wrinkle in time Narnia right where they actually take [clears throat]
where they actually take [clears throat] time and instead of a straight line you
time and instead of a straight line you kind of jumble the line together so you
kind of jumble the line together so you can jump
can jump >> but but that's the whole point of the
>> but but that's the whole point of the conscious quantum holographic universe.
conscious quantum holographic universe. If you read the studies on quantum
If you read the studies on quantum holography
holography you every point in time this is quantum
you every point in time this is quantum entanglement. every point in time in
entanglement. every point in time in space is connected to each other. Now,
space is connected to each other. Now, that's been proven scientifically on a
that's been proven scientifically on a particle level. What we're talking about
particle level. What we're talking about civilization is advanced enough to do it
civilization is advanced enough to do it on the macro level. A spacecraft full of
on the macro level. A spacecraft full of people or whatever. And uh now the fact
people or whatever. And uh now the fact that it doesn't comport with the
that it doesn't comport with the textbooks on physics at MIT. So what I
textbooks on physics at MIT. So what I mean we're like one half to step out of
mean we're like one half to step out of the jungle scientifically as a species.
the jungle scientifically as a species. I mean
I mean >> couple hundred years ago we had what?
>> couple hundred years ago we had what? Nothing. horses and buggies and yeah so
Nothing. horses and buggies and yeah so I mean and you're you're talking about a
I mean and you're you're talking about a universe it's
universe it's >> you know 15 billion years old or
>> you know 15 billion years old or something so I I think that this gets
something so I I think that this gets into this whole discussion of not
into this whole discussion of not everything that can be known is known in
everything that can be known is known in in the conventional scientific world in
in the conventional scientific world in fact I'd say almost everything we don't
fact I'd say almost everything we don't know I don't know it's just this huge
know I don't know it's just this huge vastness but certainly when you're
vastness but certainly when you're dealing with civilization and we can
dealing with civilization and we can prove those are here because we have the
prove those are here because we have the bodies and the craft and all this stuff.
bodies and the craft and all this stuff. Well, how they get here? Well, they're
Well, how they get here? Well, they're not using the space shuttle and they're
not using the space shuttle and they're not using uh SpaceX and a rocket.
not using uh SpaceX and a rocket. They're not. So, then what are they
They're not. So, then what are they using? That's the technology we're
using? That's the technology we're talking about and it's been studied and
talking about and it's been studied and developed. Uh I think that this is a a
developed. Uh I think that this is a a big I always call this the big peace
big I always call this the big peace dividend down the road. Phase one of
dividend down the road. Phase one of disclosing this will be the energy
disclosing this will be the energy technologies that will just get rid of
technologies that will just get rid of poverty and and and the damage we're
poverty and and and the damage we're doing to the biosphere and the oceans.
doing to the biosphere and the oceans. Step two, once we have something
Step two, once we have something resembling a peaceful civilization, what
resembling a peaceful civilization, what Mikaku calls a level one civilization
Mikaku calls a level one civilization where we're not killing each other and
where we're not killing each other and destroying the biosphere.
destroying the biosphere. Once we become stable from that point of
Once we become stable from that point of view and we're no longer just killing
view and we're no longer just killing each other over nonsense like we are now
each other over nonsense like we are now all over the world, then we can bring
all over the world, then we can bring out the things that fly. So you'll be
out the things that fly. So you'll be able to go from here to Paris in three
able to go from here to Paris in three or four minutes and that'd be cool. Go
or four minutes and that'd be cool. Go there for lunch, come back. That's
there for lunch, come back. That's totally doable there already with
totally doable there already with technologies that exist. But you can't
technologies that exist. But you can't let that out now because if you let that
let that out now because if you let that out now, it's a missile delivery system
out now, it's a missile delivery system for every terrorist in Mogadishu.
for every terrorist in Mogadishu. >> Well, I mean, if you go
>> Well, I mean, if you go >> there has to be a process.
>> there has to be a process. >> Yeah. I mean, if you can go from here to
>> Yeah. I mean, if you can go from here to Paris in a couple minutes, that means
Paris in a couple minutes, that means you could travel to Mars in what, a
you could travel to Mars in what, a couple hours, maybe
couple hours, maybe >> about Oh, yeah. Well, really, when you
>> about Oh, yeah. Well, really, when you ramp these things up, you'd be up 30
ramp these things up, you'd be up 30 seconds. That's where the band 30
seconds. That's where the band 30 seconds to Mars. I gave a talk a long
seconds to Mars. I gave a talk a long time ago about getting to Mars in 30
time ago about getting to Mars in 30 seconds. So, right. So, yeah. But
seconds. So, right. So, yeah. But >> which means that you could actually
>> which means that you could actually reach
reach >> other planets that have Earthlike
>> other planets that have Earthlike >> uh environments.
>> uh environments. >> We haven't been allowed
>> We haven't been allowed >> in a human lifetime.
>> in a human lifetime. >> Yes. Oh, it it the next day or couple
>> Yes. Oh, it it the next day or couple days. The the reason we're not allowed
days. The the reason we're not allowed to do that at this point is that the
to do that at this point is that the extraterrestrial civilizations
extraterrestrial civilizations don't want us out there too far until we
don't want us out there too far until we become civilized. Now, people say, "Oh,
become civilized. Now, people say, "Oh, we are, so we're not civilized. Come to
we are, so we're not civilized. Come to my ER on a Saturday night."
my ER on a Saturday night." >> What you're saying is the aliens have
>> What you're saying is the aliens have human civilization on a short leash.
human civilization on a short leash. >> They're they're watching what we do to
>> They're they're watching what we do to see if we actually make it through this
see if we actually make it through this transition.
transition. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Now, there are civilizations that have
>> Now, there are civilizations that have never made it through this transition.
never made it through this transition. uh and make themselves extinct because
uh and make themselves extinct because of their foolishness. And
of their foolishness. And >> we might be one of them.
>> we might be one of them. >> We may be. [laughter] Well, this is this
>> We may be. [laughter] Well, this is this is to be determined, my friend. We're
is to be determined, my friend. We're >> on our way to that.
>> on our way to that. >> Yeah, we are. I mean, you know, it's
>> Yeah, we are. I mean, you know, it's like when when uh Colonel Bearden said,
like when when uh Colonel Bearden said, "Now, don't get me wrong." He's from
"Now, don't get me wrong." He's from Louisiana. Highest IQ. One of the
Louisiana. Highest IQ. One of the highest IQ guys ever met. He said, "Now,
highest IQ guys ever met. He said, "Now, don't get me wrong, the fools may blow
don't get me wrong, the fools may blow it yet." Is a great interview with with
it yet." Is a great interview with with uh Colonel Beard and it's in our
uh Colonel Beard and it's in our archive. Brilliant guy. absolutely
archive. Brilliant guy. absolutely brilliant um phys physics and you know
brilliant um phys physics and you know he had been a lieutenant colonel army uh
he had been a lieutenant colonel army uh knew about all the new energy free
knew about all the new energy free energy stuff just a genius uh but I
energy stuff just a genius uh but I think that is the big question so it is
think that is the big question so it is sort of an existential question and
sort of an existential question and crisis you know the only way here's sort
crisis you know the only way here's sort of the bottom line on that the only way
of the bottom line on that the only way we can go forward and have a society
we can go forward and have a society here that's is that we become peaceful
here that's is that we become peaceful and We can't go out into space and be a
and We can't go out into space and be a bunch of wararmongering fools either. So
bunch of wararmongering fools either. So that's why we need a space treaty. We
that's why we need a space treaty. We need a treaty that says we're not going
need a treaty that says we're not going to put weapons out in space. We're not
to put weapons out in space. We're not going to target these ET assets. We're
going to target these ET assets. We're going to stand those systems down. We're
going to stand those systems down. We're going to do a an official C5 ambassador
going to do a an official C5 ambassador outreach these civilizations. So instead
outreach these civilizations. So instead of shooting them out of the skies and
of shooting them out of the skies and hijacking them and shooting them, we're
hijacking them and shooting them, we're going to create a global rap and
going to create a global rap and peaceful approach to them, which is what
peaceful approach to them, which is what should have happened in the 50s.
should have happened in the 50s. Eisenhower wanted that to happen. He got
Eisenhower wanted that to happen. He got subverted. This is why no president has
subverted. This is why no president has control over those covert programs since
control over those covert programs since Eisenhower, since about 56, 57, 58.
Eisenhower, since about 56, 57, 58. >> Well, uh, Dr. Steven Greer, you actually
>> Well, uh, Dr. Steven Greer, you actually brought someone with you, uh, Tony
brought someone with you, uh, Tony Ferrer, who is a former commercial pilot
Ferrer, who is a former commercial pilot who actually worked for a major airline
who actually worked for a major airline for 25 years, and you've actually had
for 25 years, and you've actually had experience with UFOs.
experience with UFOs. >> Yes, I have.
>> Yes, I have. >> Well, tell me what you've seen.
>> Well, tell me what you've seen. Well, um I've seen many uh while flying
Well, um I've seen many uh while flying uh but um
uh but um probably
probably some of the more interesting ones I'll
some of the more interesting ones I'll say uh would be an orb appearing in
say uh would be an orb appearing in front of me that uh not too far that
front of me that uh not too far that would seem that it would be another
would seem that it would be another airplane let's say about the same
airplane let's say about the same altitude bright quite large larger than
altitude bright quite large larger than It would be an airplane that would have
It would be an airplane that would have its landing lights on because at up at
its landing lights on because at up at altitude with the landing lights on, it
altitude with the landing lights on, it could appear like an UFO, but this would
could appear like an UFO, but this would be larger than that and I'd be observing
be larger than that and I'd be observing it. This particular one, looked at the
it. This particular one, looked at the co-pilot and he seen the same thing. In
co-pilot and he seen the same thing. In this particular case, I was about to ask
this particular case, I was about to ask air traffic control LA center at the
air traffic control LA center at the time if there was a plane or something
time if there was a plane or something in front of us and then it didn't
in front of us and then it didn't materialize right in front of our eyes.
materialize right in front of our eyes. Change colors like in the blink of an
Change colors like in the blink of an eye and then disappeared. That was one.
eye and then disappeared. That was one. Another one. Um,
we see again uh actually we're observing the satellite up in the sky and then
the satellite up in the sky and then right in that same direction
right in that same direction a little bit lower and much closer cuz I
a little bit lower and much closer cuz I know what satellites look like, right?
know what satellites look like, right? They were commenting, me and the
They were commenting, me and the co-pilot on the satellite that were
co-pilot on the satellite that were observing. This light appears in front
observing. This light appears in front of us and I've seen many, like I said,
of us and I've seen many, like I said, over the years cuz I'm looking. People
over the years cuz I'm looking. People have asked me, Tony, why why is it that
have asked me, Tony, why why is it that you see so many? I said, well, for one,
you see so many? I said, well, for one, you got to be looking. And I'm
you got to be looking. And I'm constantly looking because I've had an
constantly looking because I've had an interest in this most of my life. So,
interest in this most of my life. So, anyways, this light, you know, just
anyways, this light, you know, just another light appeared in front right in
another light appeared in front right in front of us in the same direction that
front of us in the same direction that the satellite was at, but much closer in
the satellite was at, but much closer in year. And I said to my uh co-pilot, this
year. And I said to my uh co-pilot, this was the first time he'd seen something
was the first time he'd seen something like that. I said, "Keep your eye on
like that. I said, "Keep your eye on it." And uh
it." And uh I'd say maybe three seconds goes by and
I'd say maybe three seconds goes by and then it dimmed and then shot to the
then it dimmed and then shot to the left.
left. >> Right.
>> Right. >> Just like in a blink of an eye,
>> Just like in a blink of an eye, >> right? [clears throat]
>> right? [clears throat] >> Well, do commercial uh planes, do they
>> Well, do commercial uh planes, do they have some sort of video recording
have some sort of video recording equipment that happens or No, that's not
equipment that happens or No, that's not a thing.
a thing. >> No.
>> No. >> So, you'd have to pull out your cell
>> So, you'd have to pull out your cell phone and actually record it.
phone and actually record it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Now, we talked about how you were a
>> Now, we talked about how you were a pilot for 25 years.
pilot for 25 years. I mean, yeah, 20 years ago, phones
I mean, yeah, 20 years ago, phones didn't really have cameras. I get it.
didn't really have cameras. I get it. This, you know, in the last five to 10
This, you know, in the last five to 10 years, video cameras improved on iPhones
years, video cameras improved on iPhones and so forth. So,
and so forth. So, >> correct.
>> correct. >> Did you ever have a good quality cell
>> Did you ever have a good quality cell phone with you where you actually pulled
phone with you where you actually pulled out your phone and recorded it
out your phone and recorded it >> during the day
>> during the day and night? No. But because I've shared
and night? No. But because I've shared my stories with colleagues, friends that
my stories with colleagues, friends that are pilots, uh, and also mentioned to
are pilots, uh, and also mentioned to them, you know, have the presence of
them, you know, have the presence of mind to pull your phone and record it. I
mind to pull your phone and record it. I do have pictures on my phone that
do have pictures on my phone that friends have taken at night of lights.
friends have taken at night of lights. And recently, there's been a lot of
And recently, there's been a lot of reports of it. I mean, we're hearing it
reports of it. I mean, we're hearing it all over uh from different sources of
all over uh from different sources of pilots actually recording these, but uh
pilots actually recording these, but uh during at night, you wouldn't be able to
during at night, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the picture
tell the difference from the picture that I took
that I took from the stars out there
from the stars out there >> and sometimes the flash on the will be
>> and sometimes the flash on the will be on the phone. It just lights up the
on the phone. It just lights up the cockpit. Excuse me. But I have a very
cockpit. Excuse me. But I have a very clear uh one of an orb uh on my way over
clear uh one of an orb uh on my way over to uh over the Pacific uh from the
to uh over the Pacific uh from the mainland to Hawaii
mainland to Hawaii >> that I recorded. I mean, based on your
>> that I recorded. I mean, based on your relationship with uh Steven Greer and
relationship with uh Steven Greer and all the information that he shared over
all the information that he shared over the years, do you think these are
the years, do you think these are extraterrestrial
extraterrestrial machines or are they man-made,
machines or are they man-made, human-made machines that are made to
human-made machines that are made to look like something extraterrestrial?
look like something extraterrestrial? >> That's a very good question. Uh, both.
And I can tell you this might be a interesting disc, but plays into the C5,
interesting disc, but plays into the C5, you know, work that we've been doing.
you know, work that we've been doing. There have been times that I'll be in
There have been times that I'll be in the cockpit, you know, looking at the
the cockpit, you know, looking at the sky
sky at night usually, you know, and after
at night usually, you know, and after usually on cross country, you know,
usually on cross country, you know, transcon flights where we're flying for
transcon flights where we're flying for hours on end and it gets boring after a
hours on end and it gets boring after a while, you know, we converse, we chat,
while, you know, we converse, we chat, we talk, you know, in the cockpit
we talk, you know, in the cockpit amongst ourselves, visit, and then we
amongst ourselves, visit, and then we run out of stuff to do. So, I tend to
run out of stuff to do. So, I tend to dim down the lights in the
dim down the lights in the cockpit and uh and I look for shooting
cockpit and uh and I look for shooting stars or skies out there and uh and
stars or skies out there and uh and I'll often get into or did you know
I'll often get into or did you know retired now so we'd get into a
retired now so we'd get into a meditative state
meditative state >> while flying a plane?
>> while flying a plane? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Do you don't see anything wrong with it?
>> Do you don't see anything wrong with it? >> I'm in a meditative state right now.
>> I'm in a meditative state right now. [laughter]
[laughter] But there's also not 500 people
But there's also not 500 people depending on you being completely
depending on you being completely conscious during this time. You can fall
conscious during this time. You can fall asleep if you want and no one will be
asleep if you want and no one will be hurt.
hurt. >> The metastate meditative state that I'm
>> The metastate meditative state that I'm talking about is one of heightened
talking about is one of heightened consciousness awareness.
consciousness awareness. >> It's the opposite of what you're talking
>> It's the opposite of what you're talking about.
about. >> It's the opposite of what I'm talking
>> It's the opposite of what I'm talking about.
about. >> 100%.
>> 100%. >> Got it. Yeah.
>> Got it. Yeah. >> Well, by the way, your best Top Gun
>> Well, by the way, your best Top Gun pilots
pilots >> have that faculty.
>> have that faculty. >> Okay. I see what is just a hyper focus.
>> Okay. I see what is just a hyper focus. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Have you heard the term of being in the
>> Have you heard the term of being in the zone?
zone? >> Yes. Mhm.
>> Yes. Mhm. >> That's what you're talking about.
>> That's what you're talking about. >> Similar. Got it.
>> Similar. Got it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Well, I looked it up. Commercial
>> Well, I looked it up. Commercial airplanes are equipped with AWR,
airplanes are equipped with AWR, airborne weather radar.
airborne weather radar. >> Correct.
>> Correct. >> Right. Now, would this type of radar
>> Right. Now, would this type of radar detect other ships close by?
detect other ships close by? >> Not the radar.
>> Not the radar. We have TCAST, which stands for traffic
We have TCAST, which stands for traffic collision avoidance systems.
collision avoidance systems. >> Ah, right. that detects other aircrafts,
>> Ah, right. that detects other aircrafts, but not ET or man-made.
but not ET or man-made. >> So, you're saying that this radar you
>> So, you're saying that this radar you had didn't detect any of these ships?
had didn't detect any of these ships? >> No. No. Uh, for one, they're beyond the
>> No. No. Uh, for one, they're beyond the range of the coverage of uh
range of the coverage of uh >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Oh, so they're far off.
>> Oh, so they're far off. >> Uh-huh.
>> Uh-huh. >> Uh-huh. I mean they and when I say far
>> Uh-huh. I mean they and when I say far off the traffic collision avoidance
off the traffic collision avoidance system typically doesn't go beyond like
system typically doesn't go beyond like 20 30 40 50 miles you know uh
20 30 40 50 miles you know uh >> miles.
>> miles. >> Yeah. So
>> Yeah. So >> you say they're farther than 50 miles.
>> you say they're farther than 50 miles. >> Well, some of them come in and I I say
>> Well, some of them come in and I I say the radar, you know, the radar could go
the radar, you know, the radar could go beyond that.
beyond that. >> But you're describing these ships as
>> But you're describing these ships as being relatively close.
being relatively close. >> Oh, yeah. Well, some are in I would
>> Oh, yeah. Well, some are in I would estimate to be in inner orbit. Some of
estimate to be in inner orbit. Some of them could be in outer orbit, but some
them could be in outer orbit, but some Yes. Uh close. The the one that I
Yes. Uh close. The the one that I recorded during the day, I would
recorded during the day, I would estimate that it was maybe just a couple
estimate that it was maybe just a couple of thousand feet above us. But it's
of thousand feet above us. But it's really hard to know the distance or the
really hard to know the distance or the size because you don't have a reference
size because you don't have a reference point. you know, if there are clouds uh
point. you know, if there are clouds uh that, you know, are nearby that we know
that, you know, are nearby that we know what their altitude is and it's a on
what their altitude is and it's a on this side of the cloud, then we could
this side of the cloud, then we could estimate.
estimate. >> But other than that, it's just like
>> But other than that, it's just like really hard to know. You're just
really hard to know. You're just guessing at that point.
guessing at that point. >> Well, uh, Dr. Steven Greer, it's our
>> Well, uh, Dr. Steven Greer, it's our third time. Definitely appreciate it and
third time. Definitely appreciate it and I appreciate you bringing Tony Ferrer
I appreciate you bringing Tony Ferrer with you.
with you. >> Well, he's he's out here helping. He's a
>> Well, he's he's out here helping. He's a great guy. Been with our team for years
great guy. Been with our team for years and
and >> another another person. We have lots and
>> another another person. We have lots and lots of pilots on our team who are
lots of pilots on our team who are commercial. Yeah. Uh we have American
commercial. Yeah. Uh we have American Airlines uh captain flies air press 321s
Airlines uh captain flies air press 321s on our team. We have a lot. When I go
on our team. We have a lot. When I go through airports, I get stopped a lot by
through airports, I get stopped a lot by pilots and they'll pull me aside, tell
pilots and they'll pull me aside, tell me there's account of what happened. Um
me there's account of what happened. Um so, uh yeah, it it's there actually
so, uh yeah, it it's there actually thousands of reported cases.
thousands of reported cases. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Uh they don't make their way into the
>> Uh they don't make their way into the media or into any government reporting
media or into any government reporting system. And u a lot of times when it's a
system. And u a lot of times when it's a very close encounter
very close encounter uh the pilots uh don't know what to do
uh the pilots uh don't know what to do about how to report it and they're often
about how to report it and they're often they're told don't report it or or
they're told don't report it or or they'll report it and it just never
they'll report it and it just never makes it up the chain of command.
makes it up the chain of command. >> Tony, did you ever try to report any of
>> Tony, did you ever try to report any of your sightings?
your sightings? >> Absolutely not.
>> Absolutely not. >> Why?
>> Why? >> Not correct. Because for one, you know,
>> Not correct. Because for one, you know, as a representative of the airline,
as a representative of the airline, >> it's [clears throat] not a subject that
>> it's [clears throat] not a subject that you want to be talking about publicly
you want to be talking about publicly because it kind of
because it kind of puts you in a position that might
puts you in a position that might not look good for the airline.
not look good for the airline. >> So, what you're saying is they might
>> So, what you're saying is they might think you're crazy and they fire you
think you're crazy and they fire you because
because >> that would be the worst case scenario.
>> that would be the worst case scenario. They would. No, I wouldn't say that they
They would. No, I wouldn't say that they would fire me, but you know, it it
would fire me, but you know, it it it's not something that you would want
it's not something that you would want to really be bringing up. Could you hand
to really be bringing up. Could you hand me the book, the not the hard cover, the
me the book, the not the hard cover, the other one?
>> All right. This is this very famous air air airliner 747
this very famous air air airliner 747 heavy
heavy >> Japan Airlines flying the polar route
>> Japan Airlines flying the polar route from Paris to Tokyo.
from Paris to Tokyo. The one of the best most documented
The one of the best most documented cases in history.
cases in history. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> This case happened in the 80s and it was
>> This case happened in the 80s and it was on radar. It [clears throat] was on
on radar. It [clears throat] was on board.
board. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> It was on ground military radar. It was
>> It was on ground military radar. It was on ground FAA radar and this the object
on ground FAA radar and this the object was the size of an aircraft carrier that
was the size of an aircraft carrier that in one sweep of the radar could go from
in one sweep of the radar could go from one direction to 180° over virtually
one direction to 180° over virtually teleported.
teleported. Now this case that pilot
Now this case that pilot because it got reported was put on desk
because it got reported was put on desk duty by Japan Airlines until a friend of
duty by Japan Airlines until a friend of mine Dr. Richard Haynes who was with
mine Dr. Richard Haynes who was with NASA uh Ames Research Center went over
NASA uh Ames Research Center went over to Japan and said no this is real and
to Japan and said no this is real and the guy has nothing wrong with him but
the guy has nothing wrong with him but they actually penalized that pilot for
they actually penalized that pilot for reporting this. Now, interestingly, if
reporting this. Now, interestingly, if you go into our
you go into our briefing materials that we've given you,
briefing materials that we've given you, the briefing document anyone can get now
the briefing document anyone can get now or our archive, you'll see that one of
or our archive, you'll see that one of our witnesses is John Callahan, who was
our witnesses is John Callahan, who was the senior the head of investigations
the senior the head of investigations and accidents for the FAA.
and accidents for the FAA. Pete gave me and I possess the original
Pete gave me and I possess the original FAA radar and all the digital data of
FAA radar and all the digital data of this event, not a copy. The CIA thought
this event, not a copy. The CIA thought they confiscated the copy. He kept it
they confiscated the copy. He kept it when he retired, gave it to us, the
when he retired, gave it to us, the disclosure project. So when I run into
disclosure project. So when I run into people who go, "Where's the evidence?" I
people who go, "Where's the evidence?" I said, "Well, it's not our fault you
said, "Well, it's not our fault you don't read.
don't read. >> It's not [clears throat] our fault you
>> It's not [clears throat] our fault you haven't studied the subject matter." So
haven't studied the subject matter." So I've I'm increasingly, look, I'll be 70
I've I'm increasingly, look, I'll be 70 in June. I'm sort of done with people
in June. I'm sort of done with people who say there's no nothing there there.
who say there's no nothing there there. I say, "Why?" Because you're too dumb
I say, "Why?" Because you're too dumb and lazy to study it,
and lazy to study it, >> you know? Sorry, but I mean I'm I'm a
>> you know? Sorry, but I mean I'm I'm a little burned out. I didn't even take
little burned out. I didn't even take this part out. But we have all this,
this part out. But we have all this, right? Who's looking at it, you know? So
right? Who's looking at it, you know? So even when you put it on a silver platter
even when you put it on a silver platter and give it to members of Congress,
and give it to members of Congress, they don't have time to look at it and
they don't have time to look at it and their staffers are so busy running
their staffers are so busy running around doing nonsense. So, this is where
around doing nonsense. So, this is where I think uh a team, a specialized team,
I think uh a team, a specialized team, special forces, former special forces
special forces, former special forces under executive order, they'll know
under executive order, they'll know where to go and they will get to the
where to go and they will get to the people and to the legal government of
people and to the legal government of the United States. All of this under
the United States. All of this under control. We can do it. We know how to do
control. We can do it. We know how to do it. We're to do it. Now, we'll see what
it. We're to do it. Now, we'll see what the president does. We'll see what
the president does. We'll see what Congress does.
Congress does. >> That's how we're going to end it.
>> That's how we're going to end it. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> that's [laughter] how we're going to end
>> that's [laughter] how we're going to end it. Let's see what the president does.
it. Let's see what the president does. Dr. Steven Greer, always a pleasure.
Dr. Steven Greer, always a pleasure. Thank good looking forward to seeing you
Thank good looking forward to seeing you next time.
next time. >> Great seeing you in person. Yeah.
>> Great seeing you in person. Yeah. >> And thank you, Tony, for coming and
>> And thank you, Tony, for coming and sharing your story. Till next time. Till
sharing your story. Till next time. Till next time. Authentic.
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