voluntary system all governments even dictatorships
dictatorships
continue with the complicity and the
acceptance of their populations I mean
it's a numbers game if people actually
rose up against any leader no matter how
totalitarian they could take him but
they don't because there is a tac
passive agreement and especially in a
democracy, democratic republic like ours
between the public and the government
that hey, we're doing this because we
think it's the right thing. And if you
were to admit that something really big,
the moonlanding for example, was fake
that it would shake people's faith to
the point where they became nihilistic
and the republic couldn't continue. I
mean, there is that I know there's that
concern because I've talked to people
about it and I think that's a a good
reason to lie, but it doesn't justify
the lie and actually it simply compounds
the damage. That's exactly what you've
seen. But just to go back to your
original question in one sentence, are
there are there retroactive plots to
hide incompetence? Yes, of course. It's
probably the majority of these examples.
Are there malicious plots that are
obscured by cover-ups? I I think I think
there are. You know, I do actually. I
know there are. So,
>> yeah. You know, you know what's so
interesting? I remember in real time the
911 commission was really not considered
to be a particularly credible body.
There were all sorts of mainstream
voices like in the Senate and stuff who
were angry about the material that was
omitted, the material that was
suppressed, the leads weren't followed
up upon. Um, and just as an aside when
when you said, you know, people allowed
911 to happen, I remember I debated
General Michael Hayden, who was the head
of the NSA at the time of the 911 attack
under the Bush administration. So his
job was basically to, you know, he has
the NSA. The only point of that is to
detect ostensibly terrorist attacks on
our country and it was his agency and he
was leading it that failed to to detect
that attack notwithstanding how many
pieces of evidence there were in the
system that could have alerted him. And
I remember one time thinking like, god,
that's a really heavy, you know, sort of
thing to take to your grave and is going
to be the first paragraph in in in in
your obituary. But what they did then
was they turned around and they said,
"Oh, because of how many clues we
missed, it means that we now need to
make sure to expand the surveillance
system and remove any safeguards so that
the next time, you know, even though it
was our fault, we have a much greater
system of authoritarian surveillance
that will allow us to spy on people and
and, you know, I guess protect prevent
these kind of future events. Do you
think there's a lot going on there in
terms of seizing on these events to kind
of justify a whole wide range of authoritarian
authoritarian
uh projects that
need a kind of version of events offered
by the government that may not be true?
Well, there's literally no question of
course and every government does that. I
mean, the outbreak of the Second World
War allowed the British government to
put its political opponents in prison
with their wives without charges for the
duration of the war. and like you're not
allowed to know that cuz they were bad.
But you know that's totalitarian
behavior. That's what we were supposed
to be fighting against. Every
government, Israel after October 7th,
the United States after Pearl Harbor,
the Japanese internment, and the United
States again, and again, every country
um at war in the wake of a national
trauma. So, of course, it was seized
upon immediately. What makes this a
little bit different and maybe more
sinister and more troubling, and I don't
have the answer, just to be clear, um,
is that within hours, the buildings were
still burning, there were people in
Washington discussing and pushing a war
against Iraq, which I don't think any
smart person ever believed had any
connection to 9/11. There was a lot of
reason to believe that having Saddam in
power was probably good for the United
States as a counterbalance against Iran,
as the protector of, you know, millions
of Christians. There a lot of reasons
that Saddam wasn't the worst and
certainly much better than what we got
after. But nevertheless, at the behest
of a foreign government, Israel, the
United States began preparing for war
against Iraq immediately after the
attacks on 9/11. Now, you know, I'm not saying
saying
I I don't know more than that, so you
can draw your own conclusions. And I'm
not suggesting, you know, that they
staged 911 for that purpose. But I am
saying unequivocally they use 911 for
that purpose. We know that that's not a
conspiracy theory. Um and it's
appalling. It's disgusting.
>> And of course you know as well as
anybody that well before 911 there were
all sorts of growing calls and the you
know usual suspects within Washington to
try and demand that we engage in regime
change in in Iraq and and remove Saddam
Hussein. was, you know, the sort of uh
great aspiration of of neocons, not just
in in Washington, but also in Israel and
then 911 immediately got seized on uh
for that. All right, let me move to uh
all of the issues surrounding Charlie Kirk.
Kirk.
>> And before I get to that,
>> wait, may I say one one last May I say
one last thing that I think is
important. So the question about 9/11,
the reason people have debated it for 25
years is the question of fornowledge. Do
people know this was coming? And and
then it's question of like did they know
it and allow it unintentionally or
intentionally or did they stage it? I
can't answer those questions. But we
conclusively answered the larger
question which is oh yeah there was
fornowledge of it. There's no question
about it. CIA knew the hijackers were
here. They knew they were terrorists and
they were here to commit acts of terror
against the United States. And
critically, and this is the fact that
somehow blew my mind the most, people
bet in the public financial markets, the
equity markets against the airlines
involved in 911 and the banks in the
buildings that were taken down on 9/11
and they bet big. They shorted them and
they made a lot of money. This has been
sort of known. What I didn't know is
that the US government found the
identities of the people who did that
and they withheld them and to this day
they've never been revealed. So, this is
a publicly traded series of trades and
in public markets and we can't know who
made those trades. Whoever made those
trades clearly knew 9/11 was coming and
the government has protected the
identity of those people for 24 years.
And I just have to ask like what could
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