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“Get MY VIOLIN Out” | Presenter Asks NHS GP How Can She Do Interview If She's 'Too Busy' With Work? - AI Summary, Mind Map & Transcript | TalkTV | YouTubeToText
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Junior doctors in the UK are striking for a significant pay rise and improved training conditions, arguing it's essential for retaining staff and the long-term health of the NHS, while critics contend the strike is unjustified, particularly during peak times, and driven by financial demands rather than patient care.
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talk about junior doctors. They are
going on strike tomorrow 7:00 a.m. for 5
days. Uh but um that this is after a
vote was announced yesterday by British
Medical Association members of the
resident doctors. We used to call them
junior doctors uh which uh basically
asked them whether they still wanted to
go ahead with that strike certainly uh
context of the flu outbreak. big
concerns about the rising number of
patients needing to be hospitalized and
whether or not it was the right time to
strike and it's being condemned by the
health secretary West Streeting but no
they will be going ahead uh with 83% of
the members who took part well over uh
60% took part in that vote say yeah we
want to go ahead they're requiring
demanding a 26% pay rise on top of the
29% uh they had this covering a couple
of years of course uh and they also want
some other uh changes to the training uh
jobs available to them. Well, let's talk
about this with Dr. Basha Bukajji. She's
an NHS GP and Basher, you are very much
in support of doctors going on strike.
Tell us why.
>> Well, first of all, Julie, I want to
just thank you for supporting doctors
and the conversation that we just had
before the break. Um, it's nice to
actually hear you say positive things
about doctors as well. And that's this
is this is the issue here. I'm a GP. I
don't get to strike myself, but this
strike is about something that affects
healthcare across the board. And the
truth is is that the way the NHS is
going, the way that we're seeing
corridor care, the way that even on non
strike days and non sort of winter days,
we're seeing such dire levels of uh
pressure on NHS and services across the
board. We need doctors to stay. We need
to retain the staff that we have paid in
taxpayers money to train and they're all
leaving. We are losing the best brains
in the country to other countries.
>> We're not losing that many. Can I just
ask you if we've got a massive shortage
of doctors and we've got people being as
we do people I've had an old one my own
family members left in a corridor with a
broken pelvis for 24 hours on a trolley
in the corridor and this is happening.
How on earth does doctors going on
strike for 5 days, one of the busiest
times of the year, help those patients?
What a load of nonsense.
>> Well, I will say that strikes are never
an easy choice to make and
>> they seem a very easy choice for the BMA.
BMA.
>> Sure. The people that have made this
choice, they've done this with taking I
mean, none of us actually come into
medicine trying to think about how we
can basically sherk our responsibility.
This is not what this is about. And I
don't think that the the people that
going on strike are trying to do that at
all. I think what we're trying to do is
swipe for our rights because if we
don't, the alternative is far worse. I'm
worried that the doctors who perhaps are
not going on strike, they're actually
going into private sector or they're
leaving the country or they're leaving
the NHS or the entire healthare system.
>> Okay. Let me say this. There is a
concern about this and again I have no
issue with doctors who are highly
trained um highly qualified individuals
being paid very well. I I don't I
genuinely not just because I'm a
doctor's daughter that I think this it
seems to me to be blatantly obvious that
the people who've worked that hard do
that job. We need people we want the
good people to be going into medicine.
So we're going to have to offer
competitive salaries. But we are not
talking about sort of you know 50% of
doctors leaving the NHS. We're talking
about a small number who leave. And
largely when people talk about the
issues why they're leaving, they're
leaving because of, you know, work life
balance uh rather than pay. That's not
the only issue. And and that is
something that's worth track talking
about. And certainly we're streeting the
health secretary who obviously thought
that dealing with the doctors was going
to be very very easy because he was a
labor health secretary, not a
conservative health secretary, woped
over a 29% pay rise backdated. It was
over a few years. Completely accept
that. But everyone said at the time,
including me, they're going to come back
for more. And within 24 hours, the BMA
representatives said, "Yes, we're going
to come back for more." Now, West
Streeting has offered some of the other
issues which I think are completely
legitimate concerns from BMA
representatives about the number of
training places available to qualified
doctors uh and the cost of the exams and
things like that. Those are all
perfectly valid and he's offered big
concessions on that. So, this isn't
about patience. This is about wanting
more money in their pockets. Let let's
just and and and and in return for that
they are willing to go on strike at one
of the busiest times of the year and
patients will die. That's the reality.
How can that be morally justified?
>> It's not morally justified at any point really.
really.
>> You just justified it.
>> Let me just clear this that the
hospitals have been given plenty of
notice and there are going to be
consultants. They're going to be staffed
adequately to cover these shifts. And
this is where the problem is that even
on days that we have plenty of notice
for the hospitals when there's no
strikes happening, they are not meeting
minimum staffing requirements. And this
is part of the reason why we're seeing
the issues with the backlog of
operations and backlog in terms of A&E
waiting lists and and all of these
things. And we're talking about is it an
unexpected strike? I think it's not
because actually a year ago when West
Streeting and the BMA and the residents
made the deal. It was about full pay
restoration and West treating has not
been able to deliver that full pay
restoration. He has not been able to
keep up with the with the deal that he
made himself. So actually I don't think
it's something about oh they were given
a pay rest, you know, a pay rise and
then they want even more. They didn't
get the full deal. And also when we're
talking about what the government has
done so far in terms of offering
training positions, first of all,
there's contention as to whether or not
these train training positions will
actually result in actual more doctors
on the ground. There's definitely
conversation about these are being
potentially repurposed shifts where uh
doctors are already working at the
trustgrade level, they're just being
relabeled as training doctors. Um but
also 30,000 doctors apply for 10,000
posts which has left 20,000 doctors with
no career
>> which is insane and I completely agree
with the BMA about that. It is insane.
We're paying 250 grand to train doctors
uh and then we haven't got post for them
and then we're going we haven't got
enough doctors let's import some abroad.
I mean it is absolutely crazy. That
said, by the way, the BMA colluded along
with the government on limiting the
number of places join because of course,
you know, you got a lot more power if
doctors uh there aren't they aren't
just, you know, 10, you know, easy easy
to find doctors everywhere. But this is
the thing you talk about full pay
restoration. A lot of these claims that
the BMA makes about doctor's pay are
totally specious. They're based on a
2008 back, you know, date. This this
date that was chosen very specifically
because of of where pay was at that
point. and lots of things changed and
depending whether you use RPI or CPI as
your rate of inflation, it's nothing
like the the the the pay cut they've
had. But here's the reality check. You
know what? No one's got richer since the
uh economic crash in 2008. No one's got
richer since the lockdown apart from I
don't know Michelle Moan and and a few
others. Most people whether it's public
sector or private sector have done
really badly as a result of that and
they're paying the cost of it. Um
doctors carried on working throughout
all that and they had their they had
some pretty good job. uh security and
they've got good pensions as well. An
awful lot of this. Other people might
go, people might say, "I'm sorry,
doctors have lost some of their pay."
But you know what? So is everyone else.
You're not in a worse position than
anyone else. Nurses got much lower pay
rise. Soldiers, uh police officers,
other people who also do life-saving
work. Frankly, get the hell over
yourselves is what a lot of people are
now thinking.
>> And sadly, they are getting the hell
over themselves in the wrong way. And
this is what I'm really worried about
that the ones that are left in the NHS,
they're getting so burnt out by the
sheer pressures.
>> Oh, this is such n this burnt out
nonsense. My mom when she was training
would work 72 hours over a weekend
without a break. This is nonsense.
>> This is since the time that I was a
resident doctor myself, we weren't
meeting minimum staffing requirements.
So, absolutely, we had to do two, three
members of staff's jobs alone. And yes,
we were talking about it. they're not,
you know, resident doctors don't work on
themselves. They absolutely have to and
thank you Julia or actually agree on
that point that yes we absolutely have
to work in conditions where we're not
sometimes well supported and this
results in more and this has actually
been you know validated by actual uh
figures as well in terms of the number
of sick leaves that have gone up since
co as well in the NHS and that's
reflected you know if they don't get a
chance to get their needs met people are
going to find a way out whether that's
taking sick leave whether that's going
part-time time um or whether that's
going you know doing only a few days a
week at the in the NHS. I mean, people
have heard about GPS doing part-time
work at the moment because they're not
getting remunerated and in that spare time.
time.
>> No, that's not why they're doing part do
GPS are working part-time because they
had such a big pay rise about 20 years
ago. They could afford to work part-time
and do a three-day week.
>> Now, I'm a GP myself. Majority of my
colleagues are doing side hustles. I had
to do side hustles the entire time I was
at medical school whilst doing full-time work.
work.
>> Oh, sorry. I'm sorry. Let me get my
little violin out. Oh, you're s when you
at medical school. Oh, yeah. I mean,
yes. Sorry. I waitress my way through
college. Go over yourself. Students work.
work.
>> This time is not.
>> Are you really? Can I just clarify? As
much as I appreciate you being on the
show, you are so busy and so overworked.
Bash basher. Basher. We can't hear both
at the same time. You're so busy and so
overworked, you taken 15 20 minutes out
of your massively frantic day to talk on
the radio. That's how busy you are.
>> Well, I'm not going to talk about what
I'm doing with my time. Let's go back to
the point here. The point is is that
it's not just about complaining about
doing the side hustles. It's that that
time if the NHS were to pay doctors
better that they would stay at work and
not try and do part-time and other work
elsewhere. So this is what I have issue
with that we are competing with other
countries. We are competing with other
sectors that are going to lure our
doctors away. Most doctors are not
leaving the NHS and they're not I mean
I'm sorry if they want to do extra work
I need to do some private work people
are going private people are using their
life savings to go private because
they're waiting so long on the do on on
on the on the NHS we had some moments of
agreement some moments of disagreement
we'll wait and see what happens with
this strike you get back to work treat
some sorting patients stop talking to me
Dr. Basha Makaji, she's an NHS GP. Tom
Sage, just a quick response to that.
>> Well, a spirited debate. That's what you
want here on on Talk TV.
>> All these doctors saying they're really
rushed and then they I appreciate them
coming on air, but like not
>> but you can't you can't complain for
that if you try to book them, you know.
>> Yes, I am. But and I appreciate
>> you make time, don't you? You make time
for Julie Hartley Brewer show regardless
of how busy you are.
>> So, but you know, it's uh as ever
legitimate grievances. Are the tactics
correct and are they going to win the
day? Almost certainly not in the black.
>> Well, you know, we know dentists are
going to be paid a bit more to do some
of the work. Nice them to actually
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