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I've had a few requests for quotes on

what it would cost to duplicate Billy

same what does that even cost it's a

little over $400 $400,000 to have the

world's fastest GTR since you don't you

know work on Hondas anymore but like how

do you feel about how far they've

Advanced now going into like Sav Inola

drive it's awesome so the GT4 it's such

a neat car to start from you know it

comes with I mean a better cage than

I've ever seen in any drag car so we

used to have the id2000 it can work with

liquid fuels but there's a lot of things

you got to be careful about BOS didn't

want anybody using those with liquid

fuels what about 10 years from now when

things shift over to EV do you ever

worry about how that's going to affect

[Music]

sure welcome back to another episode of

the street Alpha podcast I am your host

tkes and we have another Banger for you

guys out here in Texas and I'm so happy

that we have Tony Paulo on the podcast

Pao Halo Halo I'm sorry my whole life

I've gone with it it's not a big deal

but might as well fix it oh wow I've

always called you Tony PA yeah everybody

has that's good to know that's good to

know we all learned something for those

of you guys who don't know who Tony poo

is right you're the owner of T1 you've

been doing this for how long since like 20

5 uh I got into this industry in 1997

Automotive overall I started T1 in 2005

so you have some of the world's fastest

cars in this shop right GTRs or V10

platforms any other platforms you have

currently right now aside from those uh

that's only two we're doing so but you

started with Hondas yep it's kind of

interesting going from like a Honda to

having the world's fastest GTRs and v10s

yeah yeah we grew a little bit uh when

when I was in high school um I honestly

I didn't really care about cars BMX

bikes was my thing yeah and so when I

turned 16 I I got a car and you know

$2,000 Dodge Daytona was what I could

afford and um it it it looked kind of

cool it was a total pile of [ __ ] but it

was something I could put my bike in and

go other places to ride yeah and then my

friends in high school started messing

around street racing and stuff and I was

like all right that looks kind of fun

and so uh I bought my friend had a Civic

SI like a 95 SI I didn't know how to

drive a 5-speed so I bought a 95 Civic

DX automatic and you know it's only 20

horsepower difference on paper right

right the magazines the the header's

going to pick up 15 and then the intake

is going to give you like 10 and the

exhaust I was like it'll be the same and

we'd race it wasn't even remotely close

and so I had that for about a year and

then uh I decided I needed something

better so I bought a uh 92 Integra and a

D5 speed yep yeah and uh I went to pick

it up and uh the GU like you want to

test drive it I was like why don't you

test drive it so I rode with him I was

like all right cool I'll take it I paid

him I get in I'm like here we go I don't

know how to do this I knew how it worked

but I hadn't done it so that was How I

Learned to Drive 5speed I had a little

bit of cash left over because the Civic

was more expensive when I sold it uh I

went to jch the next day and I bought a

bunch of parts for it and I knew I

wanted it really low and so I bought

springs and you know I could put the

springs on um not that I'd done it I've

just had good mechanical sense yeah uh

but I didn't have any tools to cut the

springs and I knew I wanted it really

low and so um I told Kenny I asked him

if he'd cut the springs for me he's like

yall cut him I said I want to cut two

coils he's like man it's going to be too

low I was like I want it really low he's

like how about one and I was like how

about if we cut one and I put them on

and I want it lower if I bring the

Springs back we cut another one he's

like yeah go home put them on come back

the next day I was like man I want it

lower he was like you put those on

yourself and I was like yeah and I did a

couple other mods and he was like do you

want a job I'm still in high school all

the time working at a bike shop and uh I

was like yeah and so that's that's where

the car stuff started and I didn't I

didn't know anything about cars I didn't

know what turbos were how they worked

anything you know nothing I could look

at something and go okay well this bolt

needs to come out to take this shock off

to change of spring so that's where

that's where it all started so where do

you think your drive came from you think

it started back then from like just that

moment or was there another something

else that kind of inspired you kind of

keep pushing in the automotive industry

uh I I've always what whatever it is

that I'm doing I've always wanted to

understand how it works as much as I can

right you can't improve something if you

don't understand how it works right and

so you know knowing nothing there was a

lot plenty of stuff to learn and there

was a lot of drive to do it and so you

know back then I mean none of us really

do anything I mean we we're all learning

stuff yeah and so putting turbos on

things that weren't supposed to have

turbos and buying check valves from the

aquarium store for map sensors you know

we learned a lot as that went and so

when I started tuning tuning back then

was you know adjusting a fuel pressure

regulator adjusting some cam gears pry

basic yeah uh you almost couldn't hurt

anything and so I had a lot of

opportunity to learn we had a dyo next

door and so I would just go down there

and play and and learn all that stuff

well as the the the aftermarket industry

progressed uh the first fuel injection

stuff we did was very basic it was uh

Gen 6 DFI I mean it was as basic a fuel

injection as you're going to get and

then went to hondata and then eventually

um we went to the old motch M48 on

Kenny's car started learning that stuff

and you know everything's continue to

get more and more advanced but since I

was already you know on the on the edge

of what was available it was just about

learning the new yeah versus if you

tried to get into it today there's a lot

if you came in knowing nothing and you

tried to tune one of these cars like

you're you're going to be lost for a

long time right right so did you have

any um anybody who was like your

right-hand man that was kind of helping

you out with this stuff stuff the tuning

early on or you were just figuring stuff

out on your no I was just figuring stuff

out um I ended up uh I was at jch for uh

six or seven years mhm and um I was

building the engines I was doing the

tuning and it was just that the

information's out there for almost

anything you want to know right yeah um

I learned how to weld there we were uh

when we did a b Ser swap in a Civic yeah

you had to you had to weld the shift

linkage right we had a MIG welder didn't

have a hood I would mig weld and watch

what was happening after the weld to

adjust what I was doing like that cuz I

couldn't see the Weld and the welder

broke and uh Kenny went to the welding

store to buy another welder he comes

back with a TIG welder and I'm like what

I I don't know how to use this why did

you buy this yeah and this was so long

ago it came with a VHS cassette tape

with instructions and so I put it in and

I just started learning and you know

same deal like you know what with

welding you know what it's supposed to

look like cuz you've seen enough good

stuff right and you just keep adjusting

until it's getting better and better and

better right uh the first time I I

welded aluminum since we we we weren't a

Fab shop we didn't really have like

scrap materials uh we had had wheelie

bars put on Kenny Civic and we bought

those ones from from Jags or something

that have the it's a flat aluminum lower

bar okay and then a top bar and had

little springs in it but they didn't use

the aluminum lower bar the chassis shop

when they put them on so I had these

these strips of aluminum that were

anodized blue yeah and so I'm trying to

weld this not knowing you got remove the

anodizing to weld and I'm trying to weld

over it and I'm like man this aluminum

stuff's really hard cuz again I know

what it should look like and I can't

even get it in the ballpark yeah and so

uh at one point this was when the sport

comp the Honda Civic you know the Honda

scene was big uh a bunch of teams would

travel the whole series with n and

whatnot and uh a team came in and broke

something and had to come to the shop to

to use the welder and I saw him welding

and I I mentioned it and he's like oh

you got to grind the anodizing off and I

did that and all of a sudden that

clicked you know so everything I've done

I've I've learned along the way at the

time when you had the da what were some

of the things that you were doing back

then that you kind of figured out that

kind of was like advancing the Honda

platform back then I mean I wasn't

advancing anything I was just trying to

figure out what was going on so you

never raced that car you never broke any

records with the da uh I didn't break

any records but I I did I built the

motor it was it was an LS motor uh kept

it naturally aspirated you know big cams

supported ahe head uh I think I went 142

with that car uh which at the time no

VTech no VTech so was not okay at at the

time I mean that would that would get

you first to third in an all motor class

you know as far as a street car now

there was gutted crxs that were faster

they weren't necessarily even making

more power they're just really light

when I got rid of that I kind of got out

I got a BMW M3 and I was like I'm I'm

kind of done playing on the street I

wanted something nice and cool um and

then my Integra the the DC right that

came about because after I left jtech um

I worked for Bob Norwood for a couple

years and this was a car that I had

built at jtech and then uh when I left

the guy followed me uh the car was built

but I was still tuning it okay

and the guy he it had all the right

parts but it never ran right at the

track and he would smoke the clutch

every time he went out and I was like I

don't know what you're doing wrong you

know I'm not there at the track with you

so a race came about and he was like

will you drive it at this at this event

I'm like sure you know I've never driven

anything that fast yeah yeah so we ended

up winning that event the car went 10-1

which was a a front wheeel drive record

in Texas at the time for a street car

what you know you know what year that

was just curious that would have been

2006 10 was pretty much like yeah fast

and so he's like I want you to race it

for the rest of the season and I was

like all right but if I'm going to do

that we got to do more to it I was like

I'll do I'll cover all the labor you pay

for the parts we're going to make it

faster yeah and so we did uh we won the

NHRA sport compact uh sport front-wheel

drive uh West Coast Division the first

year we raced it mhm um and then in 2008

at the outlaw race uh broke into the

eights and that was first frontel Drive

street car in the eights went uh 89 at I

think 161 a little bit after that you

know he was like all right you know this

has been fun but all he's doing is

putting money out he's not he's not

driving or anything right right and so

he's like you know do you want to buy

the car and I was like yeah I'll buy the

car and so bought it kept it going I

think I when I got rid of it it had gone

8:30 at like1 189 or something so I sold

that because the GTR stuff came about so

in 2010 I bought a GTR I I literally

zero intention of of working on them or

modifying that one just personal just

you run just personal I love the car

they were I found a used one for 65

Grand I was like it's I can finally

afford this I'm going to buy it bought

it this is when the Tex Texas mile stuff

was still happening a lot okay and um I

had a customer that uh had an entry for

the mile and his car wasn't going to be

ready he's like if you want to ride your

GTR you can have my entry and so I was

like all right well if I'm going to do

that I want to at least do some mods to

so that then that started ethanol full

Bolton stuff built exhaust for it uh I

think it went 183 at the at the mile it

snowballed from there so after that

we're going to races and I'm bringing my

GTR out there that I've done some you

know some basic stuff too but I'm racing

the Integra and everybody's coming over

asking questions about the GTR they like

oh can you work on these and I'm like

yeah I mean that's a it's a much better

Market you know

business-wise and so uh for about a year

we still kind of did both and then we

went exclusive GTR for 11 years and then

we just got into the V10 stuff a few

years ago so um I didn't ask you this

before but what does T1 stand

for so when I worked at jotech okay and

um the forums were a thing that I didn't

even know about it was still pretty new

um Honda was a popular form back then

yeah we built a car for this kid and um

it ended up dropping a valve and

destroyed the engine and he got on hach

and was talking all kinds of [ __ ] and

somebody told me about it so I go in

there and I'm reading it and we know

what H he miss shifted the car the

people that were with him told told us

what happened he miss shifted the car

over revved it dropped a valve and so

I'm like I got to get on there and

defend us and so I make a screen name

and I'm not creative when it comes to

name so I'm like Tony won and

so that was my intro to Honda tech and I

I ended up uh being on there a lot and

had a lot of input and so when it came

time to start T1 I also couldn't think

of a a creative name so it needed to be

something that was visible from the

stands on the side of a race car mhm it

needed to be something that you didn't

hate to say every time you answer the

phone yeah and um somebody suggested T1

and I was like I think that's it it like

it and then uh is race development is

just like a is that like a a slogan or

that's part of the name that's part of

it's T1 race development technically as

Times Gone on we've kind of got I mean

you know initially nobody knew what it

was at all right in my industry for the

most part people know what T1 is and

we've just cleaned it up a little bit

and just have the T1 part you know

what's funny about that is a lot of

people usually get their names from Xbox

video games or like any type of username

that they have and they kind of they

stick with it and run with it it's like

your your very early email addresses

where you're like nobody's ever going to

see this right and then eventually you

get older and they're like what's your

email address you're like I've had I've

had some weird AOL ones yeah back in the

day um fortunately yeah but luckily my

my last name is toque so I don't have

any fancy username or anything like that

but it's pretty cool so before before we

get into GTR stuff you were on pinks yep

right what year was that oh God I think

that was before T1 or right around that

time so mid 2000s yeah so you were you

were the driver in in that episode with

uh with Dave yeah full race full race

built the car and Jeff was like hey do

you want to come drive this say I'm like

sure so and that was a single cam what

made you guys want to do a single cam

well the fact that we might be giving it

away and nobody wanted to put any money

into it so it was cheap cuz I watched I

was like wait why would they go with a

single cam turbo like maybe you guys had

some type of trick you guys were doing

with that but no it did it did move

right yeah no it ran good and and

honestly there was something wrong like

they wouldn't let us work on the car in

between rounds and there was like a

major the first pass it ran good the

second pass like there was no power and

I'm telling I'm telling the guys I'm

like something's wrong yeah and other

team's like yeah [ __ ] they're

sandbagging and I'm like I don't know

what to do I mean I'm doing everything I

can but there's no power there and so it

turned out it had a torn coupler

[ __ ] after that the guys that got it

told us that oh so you didn't find out

on the episode you found out after when

they got the car and they actually so

you actually had to give the cars to the

that was that's like actual thing I've

always wondered that so uh yesterday uh

Dave Gibson from motch was here he's uh

business development for motch USA yeah

so Dave Gibson was the other guy it was

him he had a shop he had a shop doing

rotaries and it was him and his partner

that took that car that's so funny that

is crazy so where's that car now you

know where it's at right they sold it as

soon as they got it sold on eBay or

something wow I I I want to say it made

like 450 horsepower or something and

that was with the turbo setup obviously

right with Boost yeah with Boost and did

you guys spray it all no so that was we

we had a nitrous bottle in there and

that was that the plan was this is going

to be part of the negotiations yeah

right and so I mean it it it went the

way it was supposed to go had the car

not had another problem yeah cuz I I

noticed at the end of the episode when

when obviously they won that was one of

the tactics you guys used and it was

pretty smart but uh yeah shout out to

Dave Dave was a negotiator on that one

right and he was pretty quiet he he's

kind of like it seemed like the team was

doing more negotiating than he was yeah

so it was uh Jeff Evans uh Dave me EV

yeah Jeff Evans was there like the tuner

yeah he was on there yep no way as as

you know just part of our team he tuned

my S2000 back I didn't even know he was

on there yeah I got to watch that back

now I didn't even know that that's crazy

so you were done with Hondas after that

right pretty much when you when you went

to GTRs uh yeah so for about about a

year so let's say 2010 11-ish we were

still doing some Honda stuff right um

but as the GTR work kept coming in it's

like you know I I've only got so many

lifts and so many people right yeah and

if I can't take in a GTR job because

we're doing exhaust on a Civic or

something it's it doesn't make sense

there was enough GTR work that it make

sense so we switched over exclusively to

the GTR stuff how do you feel about I'm

just curious to know since you don't you

know work on Hondas anymore but like how

do you feel about how far they've

Advanced now going into like Savin Ola

drive it's it's awesome I mean I love

seeing the progression I still know

everybody that's involved and is still

in contact um but yeah I I I love that

they're still doing it the all wheeel

Drive thing has been huge cuz it's like

you know okay so with the GTRs after

this long of racing these things you

know at this level like there I don't

really have any knobs to turn left you

know like I I'm trying to get hundreds

and uh that's kind of where the front

wheeel drive stuff had gotten and now

it's all of a sudden like half second

difference yeah and and and with room to

grow so it it's been exciting watch do

you ever get the itch to get back into

it at all no no not at all you just want

to buy like something you know little

personal project well no because if I

did it I would want to go all the way uh

right and I've already got enough

problems yeah the Integra though the

DC I sold that to a friend and uh he

raced it for a while and then Brandon my

engine builder mhm had an Integra that

he built and the guy that I sold it to

was was kind of done racing it but

wanted to make sure it went somewhere

where it was yeah Tak care of you know

Brandon Brandon followed me around races

before he worked for me you know and he

was like you know and so when he finally

started working for me it was like this

dream come true and he's been with me

probably 10 more than 10 years now wow

and Joe said hey Brandon why don't we

trade cars cuz Brandon integro is pretty

similar as far as like chassis goes yeah

he's like why don't we trade cars and

you've got the old T1 car and so Brandon

has it and he's still racing it and

working on it what so it's back in the

family that's dope that is dope so now

you have uh you have Terren too like you

talk about Terence man he's a guy he's

the driver for these fast cars huh some

of them yeah so how did how did that how

did that even happen how did he Terence

grew up driving he used to race dirt

track stuff uh when I met Terrence he

had an EVO with a dog box that he drove

like from here to Arkansas or something

to drag race and then drove back Ian it

was like a gutted Evo with a dog box but

Terence is Terrence is a racer I mean

he's all about it he's kind of like

Fearless sometimes I wonder like if he

ever gets nervous but like dude he just

goes yeah it's crazy yeah so 2K 23

that's when uh Billy's car went out and

went uh uh what It Go 234 maybe at that

one and um you know that was was a big

deal in our industry I don't think it

really like people that are actually

building GTRs I don't think it opened

anybody's eyes as far as you know oh now

we know who T1 is but that thing went so

viral among the whole automotive

industry yeah that I think a lot of

people were like oh [ __ ] who who are

these guys yeah

um I've had a a few requests for quotes

on what it would cost to duplicate Billy

car because other people want to do the

same uh nobody's followed through but

what are the quotes what do you what

does that even cost it's uh it's a

little over 400

400,000 yeah for a

35 Plus maybe 3500 uhep G no sub 35 I

mean God there's so many little things

you got to do to the car to get it to

that point now is that 400,000 all in

one shot or that's just like blowups and

transmissions and well that would be

allinone shot to build a car from from

scratch Nobody Does that I mean you know

that car has been through a bunch of

phases just like all the rest of these

have yeah you know now with where the

platform is there's a potential to start

from a stock car and go to that right

you save a lot of money versus having

done it but you also don't get those

years of racing and learning and all

that so like Billy carar and this car

have well over a million dollars in them

over time right uh George actually this

car was one of the very first GTRs in

the US and he started modifying it

immediately so so this car when I go

through uh my motch logs the way the

motch log software categorizes things

yeah it goes um customer name year month

and then logs and when I go to Georgia

there's a lot of

years more than any more than anybody

else for a single car yeah [ __ ] it's

$400,000 to have the world's fastest GTR

yep which is a lot less money than what

the second place Lamborghini costs

guarantee that it's a lot less yeah so

Lamborghini is probably what you think

double uh By the time they're making you

know over 3,000 horsepower

they're their their bills are a lot more

than 400,000 do you have any 3,000 horsepower

horsepower

or no there's I mean underground's done

some half mile stuff and you know the

yellow stto I think is it's up there in

that ballpark say maybe three three or

four years ago uh the DCT was a

significant limiting factor because of

the clutch right right and Dodson has

come out with more and more and more and

more and at this point the DCT versus

the dogbox is uh it's not a necessity if

you want to make 3,000 okay but the like

the yellow Huracan has a a sequential

gearbox yeah that's only at that time

that was the only option to hold the

torque so in 2010 did you have customers

already or you just had your personal

car and then you kind of person get some

customers with with the GTR um going to

races and driving my GTR to the races

and parking it next to the race car that

we were racing yeah but yeah people came

and you know they they were still new

and so you didn't see them all that

often and so when you do it's like oh

[ __ ] you know look at that yeah um and I

mean it it it went from full boltons and

then we did uh Turbo upgrade uh stock

motor made like 750 or something like

that um and then eventually built the

motor and the trans and you know how do

you feel about like people or shop

owners when they kind of like I guess

use their customer cars to kind of

Advance a platform as opposed to like

personal cars well the end results

always the same right okay I mean you're

learning and so you're going to learn

and I've never I've never I've always

been the guy that's learning on my car

and figuring out how we're going to do

it in the end I can provide somebody

with a reliable package that way

sometimes you know things get like this

car you know it ended up being a

development car because look at some

point if you want to be the fastest in

the world you're going to be a

development car right but if you decide

hey I want to get into this market and

I've got this customer with a car I'm

going to use that to to get into the

market yeah it never ends well the

customer always gets burned in what

sense like well you know it's whether

they do like hey you know let let us

turbo your car right we we'll give you a

break on the labor or something they

don't know what they're doing and so the

car the C never performs like it's

supposed to hopefully it hopefully it

doesn't break and it just doesn't

perform well and maybe somebody else can

fix it later yeah yeah but that's almost

always how that story goes cuz I feel

like a lot of a lot of shops usually

have that situation where they have a

customer that comes in they have a lot

of money to spend and that car actually

ends up being the face of that shop yeah

a lot of times it's they they

overpromise they get the job and then

you know it's like okay well we're in

this deep right now the motor blew up so

I mean I guess we're going to build a

motor now and so it snowballs into okay

this is the so and so shops race car

that they don't own right so you

recommend personal obviously if you if

you really want to do it right and you

want to do your customers right and it's

not just a project for you like okay I

want to get into this market right

whether it's GTR B1 whatever uh as soon

as I decided didn't even decide to get

into the R8 Market I bought an R8 so I

could learn the motch for it because as

motch dealer and tuner I need to be able

to support what I'm what I'm selling and

so I bought an R8 and that's been

everything that we've done that's been

new or or more of an advancement was

done to that car first okay and then

some of it works better than others at

the end of the day I know what to sell

to the next customer that it is going to

work and you've always had that

mentality back then too even from the

Honda days to from the Honda days my car

you know back when I I had a motch on

the car and people were like oh my God I

can't believe you spent that much on an

ECU I a tilt and carbon clutch you know

it's like I want to do it right I know

what's out there I know I know the way

to advance this and you know now that's

all standard stuff right right but I

I've always wanted to to do more than

than what's out there yeah right right

so with the GTR um I know there was some

um things to overcome when it comes to

like even the transmission on these cars

right so when did you start like

tinkering with the car a little bit more

to kind of I guess kind of push through

that one of the one of the first GTR

engines we built uh we sleeved it

because coming from the Honda World you

got to S right and we took this thing

apart and it's like there's not even a

steel liner like it's just allum I'm

there's no way this is going to work

right and so we sleeved it block cracked

at 12200 horsepower and we're like hm

all right so we ended up breaking one or

two more before we were like all right

so we don't actually know when the

factory liner fails let's let's take a

step back and let's find out and to date

we've made over 2500 horsepower on

Factory liners multiple times I've had

one block break that wasn't that wasn't

sleeved yeah so learned I learned a lot

from that and in

that my Approach on the V10 stuff was

completely different instead of buying

all the aftermarket parts you can get MH

let's let's buy the least amount of

aftermarket parts we can get and find

out what's going to break next because

the the OE Engineers are a lot smarter

than people give them credit for they're

a lot smarter than most of the

aftermarket for sure I mean usually

that's pretty much where like

aftermarket companies base their

products off of like the OEM

applications basically so usually most

of the time I feel like it's it's just

good enough you know you know in in a

situation like like with rods um you

know cost and weight are big factors if

the OE Rod is strong enough for the O OE

power and RPM there's no reason for them

to make anything better right but like

oiling systems are very well thought out

uh cooling systems uh crankshafts are

usually usually pretty beefy um so and

and like cast Pistons you know that

those are going to be a weak link we can

make it better valve springs are going

to be good for the RPM limit that the

stock motor runs if you to go more than

that you're probably going to have to

beef those up MH um cams you know that

the factory cams are going to be plenty

strong but if you change the goals

you're probably going to want bigger

cams so there's some things that are

that are standard across basically any

platform platform right but you know

going in and uh changing the harmonic

damper you know upgrading the crankshaft

because it's aftermarket it's going to

be better maybe it is maybe it's not and

what about the

transmission uh the transmission side

similar deal you know it's for the most

part they don't fail at stock power

levels early on when the when the GTR

came out when they had lc1 right when

those would launch it would rev to 4,500

and just dump the clutch so wheel tire

hop and and that broke [ __ ] so then they

took like 10 steps back and lc2 would

leave at like 2200 RPM just really soft

and it slowed the car down a lot yeah

and so they you know it's a the

transmission computer is the exact same

computer as the engine computer there's

the same amount of wires same everything

like there's a lot of programming

involved in a DCT trans and how the

clutch comes in is it it's all

programming yeah and so you can make an

09 launch like a 2023 just with the

programming stuff yeah so the the launch

on these things um it's all programming

as the the newer and newer cars came out

they continue to improve that and so you

know since the engine and trans really

hasn't changed since they released it uh

that was kind of a a thing that was

helpful for them to keep the performance

figures improving every year right right

like oh the 17's faster than the 15 but

it's it's the same thing they just get

the launch a little bit better yeah uh

and you know when you when we look at

the uh the OE file like with uh eutc or

something MH you know there's you can

see a lot of tables in there some are

more defined than others but there's a

lot stuff going on in there there's

actually a motch standalone for the TCM

oh really motch started developing this

uh shortly after the GTR came out

because it wasn't that great stock and

so like we can make our own TCM and make

it better over the course of that

development which was it's a long

development process the stock stuff kept

getting better and better and eventually

they're like this doesn't make sense

anymore so the project got sheld oh so I

got it resurrected a few years ago and I

have the I have it uh it's not it's not

ready yet it's not all the way right but

trying to get development time allotted

for it at motch uh in Australia and that

that it will be a product in time but I

got to see you know from a motch side

where everything's fully defined and

learn a lot more about how the DCT works

right right and um there's a lot to it

it's like everything's the way it should

be with coefficient of fr

of the discs and everything M and when

when we put an aftermarket clutch in

there with you know five more clutch

plates than stock like when you drive a

GTR with a fully built trans I mean it's

it's not bad when you drive a V10 with a

fully built trans it's way better it's a

much newer transmission the programming

is a lot better yeah okay so you know in

in terms of DCT these things are old you

know I mean the car came out in 2008 in

Japan right which means they probably

started working on the trans in 2005 or

something yeah so I mean it's it's

20-year-old transmission at this point

right right so why are you resurrecting

it now because it you pretty much are

because these cars will benefit from it

do you feel like the um the GTR Market

is kind of dying though right now it's

slowing down for sure now here's

something that will appeal to a lot of

people right now racing uh one of these

cars on a pro Tre

it's you realistically you can't do it

there is a bump feature in motch and it

does work but but it's kind of like this

deal the buttons you got to hit the

certain you have to you have to fully

stage while you're holding one button

and then you got to let up off the brake

and let it creep and hit the brake and

then let off the button and then let off

the brake and still cut a light right

I'm not that good but there is the

opportunity to add a clutch pedal with a

standalone trans and you could basically

have your clutch pedal be your launch so

you can stage it like a normal manual

car right um and still have computer

control of how the clutch comes in so

you could kind of make this thing a Emanuel

Emanuel

DCT and I think that would appeal to a

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best you still have the delay but you

just have easier times well so the delay

with the factory TCM is not constant ah

okay so if somebody tries to burn you

down on the tree if you're in launch for

more than like three or four seconds

yeah um the first time this happened to

me I freaked out you let off the break

and it's literally half a second before

anything happens I let off The Brak and

I look down I'm like what's and it takes

off so you've got I mean a half second

delay is hard to make up on the tree

yeah and then it brings the clutch in

completely different but it's actually

it brings the clutch in real smooth so

the car launch is good yeah you just you

your reaction time's terrible so it's

it's not constant it's really hard to

get the the perfect amount of control

over the clutch with stock TCM so we'll

have we'll be able to 60 foot better be

able to it more consistently yeah and

hopefully whatever delay is there will

at least be consistent where it's not

with Factory TCM I personally don't even

understand why the why there's a delay

can you explain why it's a delay with

DCT Transmissions I don't know how much

of it's in programming but forget about

that side uh you've got electronics and

hydraulics happening right okay so RPM's

up it gets the signal okay we want to

launch now it has to go from the you

know two or three bar of clutch pressure

that it was on the line yeah and bring

in that so you've got solenoids opening

you got fluids moving moving Parts I

don't know yeah take the electronic side

out I don't know how how quick the delay

can can be but I'm sure it can be

quicker than what it is stock okay but

there is going to be a mechanical delay

you know normally you've got um you've

got a lever on a clutch right and that

moves fast right so we've got we've got

fluid and solenoids and all kinds of

stuff in the works so in the in the mix

so now with the motch advancement right

is that going to make any change in that

at all uh I I hope

so I didn't try and launch it uh with

when I had it on my development car um

it turns out the transmission on these

uh the 15 and up the computer you know

we all know that the the ROM's a

different size and it's slightly

different M the frequency that the uh

solenoids and the Val body work are

different and if you put a 15 trans and

say a 12 it won't work

at all

but I don't know what it's looking at to

know that it's not right the development

was done on an older trans uh with motch

and I I put it in a 15 Nismo that I had

and so when we're digging into the data

he was like this is the it's running the

solenoids at a different frequency on

this one and we're like oh okay so that

that now I know what the difference is

yeah so in the motag it'll be switchable

so you could put on either one um but

because that wasn't right uh I didn't do

a ton of testing with it in in driving

around it was fine the shifts the shift

crossovers weren't weren't really right

M you know a lot of people don't realize

when when you the the shift of a DCT

trans isn't you know Fork going in and

clutch coming out like we're used to

because it's in both gears already so

the shift is just the hydraulic pressure

Crossing and so that's what we call a

crossover point if you get the crossover

too high you're kind of in two gears at

once and you'll feel it bind and if you

get it too low the RPM will flare before

it comes back down so you want to

usually on these cars like a good

crossover is about eight bar pressure

and again that's something that you know

we don't really have that much control

over that with the stock uh TCM but we

will be able to have control over that

with the Standalone so there's there's

room to improve for sure and who's going

to be running this this is like for some

of these cars or this is like for I mean

it it'll start on on our big drag cars

and I'll I'll continue refining it but

um I could see it ending up on any drive

car that we build right right you know

it's like with what's in these for a

seven grand for a standalone TCM um one

you don't have the random faults that

you get with a TCM when it gets pissed

off will actually have full data for

everything and high frequency logging

you only get about 20 HZ out of the

factory TCM so like when you're look at

those clutch crossovers these are things

that are happening super fast and a

sample rate of 20 HZ doesn't really give

you the full picture where you know 100

or 1,000 HS really you can see

everything you can see everything on Dat

that's interesting so aside from the

transmission um are there any other

limitations that you've kind of faced

right now because obviously you know

that's that's the biggest one but yeah

uh with the transmission stuff if we

could if we could tweak the gear ratios

I think there's a lot to be had there

okay unfortunately making custom gear

sets with one-off ratios uh to test it's

an it's an expensive thing and again we

don't know what what you might run into

with the the uh TCM mhm with the stock

one if it gets it's going to get pissed

off about something not being right yeah

um the other issue we run into

so uh you shift from first to second now

the first Fork has to work to get in

third there's only a certain amount of

time that you're in second the faster

the car gets the shorter that time is

and it's a problem with both of these

platforms sometimes that the synchros

don't work quite good enough and you're

ready for it to shift but the Fork's not

in yet and so it won't shift it'll just

hang on the reev until the fork gets in

and then it'll allow the shift the uh 23

is bad on the v10s in that regard and

you know it's constant Evolution we're

tweaking things to make them better but

um that's a problem with the DCT a long

time ago uh when eono was racing the GTR

mhm they had a set of dog gears made so

you think about it that eliminates that

problem of the Synchro yeah well the way

a dog gear works is once you shift and

engage the gear there's a back cut on

the dog tooth and so uh if you're

driving a a dog box yeah and you're on

the throttle and there's no cut you're

not going to be able to pull it out of

gear right right soon as you lift you

can you can move it out of gear well

because both gears aren't driven at at

the same time there were there was

issues with the fork popping out cuz

it's just rattling around in there cuz

it's not loaded against that dog ring so

that didn't

work look at like um the 275 radial rear

wheel drive cars with automatic trans

you know low 10 11 60 FTS easy all day

long it's really hard to get one of

these to do that we are all-wheel drive

we've got slicks and uh the the between

the gear ratio and the way the amount of

clutch control we have

like for the car not to bog when you

launch one of two things has to happen

the clutch has to slip or the tire has

to spin and so depending on how much

grip you have and how much control you

have over the clutch sometimes you don't

know which one of those is going to

happen yeah but and if neither of those

happen then it bogs right right with an

automatic trans with a torque converter

that's it's that's never going to happen

it's always going to leave really nice

once you get it dialed in yeah so it's

still I mean it's if you said Okay I

want to build a drag car what's the best

trans to use it's not this okay it's not

it's definitely

not and they're expensive and you know

the fact that

it even does what it what it's doing you

know 3,000 plus wheel horsepower drag

race launches the fact that a a I say a

stock gearbox all the parts are upgraded

but it's still a factory designed piece

the fact that it even does that is

impressive but you know you could go a

season on a

th400 with a car this fast you're not

going to get a season on one gearbox so

at that horsepower what are you guys

pushing for like boost wise 3,000 uh

about 90 lbs I think Billy said they Doo

you guys I on 70 a little bit over 70 20

28 or 2900 and on full kilo I mean it's

seen 85 to 90 that's insane dude uh I

don't normally you know the reality is

the engine doesn't get a lot of a lot of

hits at those power numbers either so I

don't want to waste them on the dyno

right right you know the I've got the

tuneup sorted right so when whenever one

of these cars gets a refresh put on the

dyno I do the engine brakin uh change

the oil check the filter make sure

everything's happy M I'll do like a

wastegate pull and then maybe like a 50b

pull and just if those two points are

where they're supposed to be I don't do

any more PS on the dyo like yeah I

they're already sorted so I don't need

to do that right right right so has

there been any other complications on

the tuning side with these at all

throughout the years a lot of people

well some people try to push further

than um where I think they should on a

certain fuel right so maybe you're

trying to get that the pump gas record

or you know you want to make 2600

horsepower and ethanol and it's like I

don't think it's a good idea at the end

of the day the the the fuel and its

resistance to detonation is your

insurance and so I always air on the

side of caution as far as that goes so

uh I've been running methanol on the

GTRs uh since I made 2200 and 2015 so

all of our big stuff is on methanol and

that goes along I mean it makes power

you know there's a reason race cars run

methanol yeah but uh it makes power and

it's safe and it

it say you had a 3.8 L engine on

methanol and a 4.3 on gas okay the spool

is going to be about the same the

methanol helps the spool that much and

as the turbos get really big that

becomes important uh to be able to get

them to

launch okay back to uh when we leave the

line we either have to slip the clutch

or spin the tire right say we're leaving

at 3,000 RPM and the car won't bog there

it's got really small really responsive

turbos right 3,000 RPM in first gear

might be 15 mph so we only got this

distance that we have to work out you

know we a little bit of slip whether

it's Tire or clutch not a big deal say

the car has really big turbos it's small

motor if it falls below 7 Grand it's

going to bog now you've got You' got a

lot of distance to deal with and you've

either got to spin the tire a lot or you

got to have a lot of clutch slip to get

out that far and let it hook before so

it doesn't bog and uh that's when I left

the Honda stuff that's that's where that

was too you know the the bigger the

turbo the smaller the engine if you've

got a torque converter it's not a it's

not a problem as long as converter size

right if you've got a proper slipper

clutch not a problem if you got a clutch

that you know isn't really designed to

do what you're trying to do with it and

you got you make have to make it do

something like that it gets hard to

launch consistently wow so now with the

methanol in play does that help because

you said it kind of it helps a lot with

when you're making these kind this kind

of horsepower right so does that have

any like thing to do with cooling

Properties or anything like that yeah

that that's one of the bonuses so um it

cools the air a lot you'll see a lot of

people run methanol with no intercooler

and at at lower boost levels um you can

do it relatively safely you're still

losing power if you don't have an

intercooler but a proper intercooler

system it's big and bulky and complex

and so sometimes it's like I'm willing

to take the hit you know power-wise

right but when you're running 90 PBS of

boost your Air temps are through the

roof and if you don't intercool that

it's not going to last so that's why

you'll see all of our stuff is

intercooled so people who were trying to

break the records you said like uh pump

gas and and and E85 um you're saying

like that's pretty much not it's not

really a good goal to go for I mean I

have no interested you know everybody

wants their their micro record of some

sort but that one it's like you know I

mean especially the pump gas record it's

so silly like who knows what's in the

tank oh 100% you got a bunch of [ __ ]

flowing around in there you don't know

what the hell it's like the you know

I've got the the 52 millimeter turbo

record and it's a street car and

nobody's ever going to measure anything

yeah like

there are you know some micro records

that that might make you know in the

classes we're doing it's 68 millimet and

um obviously overall records but uh the

micro records go far and then what about

E85 like what have you pushed this these

cars to on 85 uh the highest I've g85

has been about 2250 2250 and that's

that's with the race ethanol so um it

could still be 85 to 90% but at least we

know the other 10 or 15% is a good race

fuel rather than who knows and that's

strictly so we use either 1 r or ignite

or VP has a also has a roughly 85 to 90%

ethanol blend actually uh ethanol mixed

with a little bit of race gas has a

higher knock resistance than 100%

ethanol so that's why these these race

plans tend to work pretty good now the

problem is the the computer doesn't know

it doesn't have any way of knowing

octane we do have a flex fuel sensor we

can see ethanol content yeah but say

you've got say it reads 80%

and it's uh it's E100 cut with you know

c16 or something to 80% that's going to

be a really really good fuel if you've

got 80% from a pump somewhere and you're

trying to make 2200 I mean maybe it

works I don't want to try it sketch and

maybe it works one tank and not the next

you know it's just it's a consistent and

so when I set up tune stuff you know if

it's a car that's going to make more

than I'm comfortable with on on pump gas

you're basically not really GNA see

anything over 85 from a pump okay so

it's usually going to be that or lower

right and so you know I'll have a big

step in the in the fuel composition

torque and boost stuff where if it's

like 88 or higher I know that it's

probably got good fuel and so it's not

that that 3% makes a difference it's

that I know that this is a a good

ethanol versus an unknown right and you

know same

e50 if you're 50% ethanol and 50% race

Gast that's really really good if it's

e50 from a pump that's not even close

and so sometimes you get people that

that need to cut that direction because

they don't have uh enough fuel Vol

volume in the fuel system right pumps

can't keep up injectors can't keep up if

you go to e50 you don't need quite as

much fuel so I've done putting cars that

way I'm like hey you can't race this

thing on pump ethanol because it's got

all the power at e50 right so for those

guys out there whether they have a GTR

or any kind of platform um what do you

recommend to them in terms of like

finding a good gas station uh to find

good fuel because most people will pull

up to a pump have a sensor in their car

and kind of read or close to like e70 or

something like if it's really good um so

is there any like recommendations or any

tips for that it varies by uh location

and it's very um like any gas it's like

region dependent okay right so when in

colder regions they have to go to a

lower blend so that the cars start well

because the higher the ethanol content

the the fuel doesn't want to vaporize

when you try to start it got and so you

know these people with stock Flex Fuel

cars they want they expect the car to

start and run the same all the time so

you'll see in the colder months in those

areas you know they might have e50 E60

something like that which is common in

New York yeah yep um in the in the

warmer areas for the most part it stays

fairly High mhm but no I haven't seen uh

I don't have it anywhere around here and

I don't have any street cars that run on

ethanol personally like where I'm you

know driving to a pump yeah um we

usually use race stuff we have a couple

drums that we take to the local station

that has it but it's still you know 20

miles away so we'll go fill up drums so

we have it here if I've Got a Car on the

dyno or something and I need some um but

no I don't I don't know about you know

one station being better than another I

mean you know most of the stuff we're

doing so so GTR for example um 1,600 or

so is usually about as far as I want to

go on pump ethanol and then past that I

wanted to have you know EOL now uh if we

do a build say it's going to make 1800

I'm going to tune it on Race ethanol I

don't need to tune it on every blend of

ethanol and find the knock limit on

everyone and get all that stuff dialed

in it's going to be it's fast as here

yeah I know what I need to do to make it

safe as the ethanol blend goes down but

you know that's a it's a it's a time

thing right and changing the ethanol

Blends and and retting

constantly uh it takes a lot Dam Dam so

you seem to know so much about the fuel

stuff right cuz you have injector

Dynamics as a company right so how did

you kind of get into that so back in the

Integra days uh I started out with the m

M4 Motech so four injectors this was the

old gold box dos based I mean that old

yeah uh once I got the car I switched it

over to an m800 and went to eight

injectors and you know back in the day

we had to run the the Bosch 160lb

injector it was old uh CG injector it

did the job but it idled horribly on

anything remotely small and so going to

eight injectors you can get a nice idle

it drives but everything's better so I

4600s um at the time uh I used RC

injectors okay they were the best

thousand CC injector that I knew of um I

put them in there's something called the

injector offset uh and that m U they

call the battery comp and so that's

basically the delay from the signal to

fuel actually moving and so for fuel

calculations to work right it's

important that that value is correct it

changes with battery voltage and fuel

pressure so I called RC and I'm like hey

I've got this this part number injector

I need the the injector offset and they

were like what what what what computer

you using and I told him I was using

motch like now you need to call motch

and I was like motch call me told me to

call you it's your injector you know

they don't have the data on your

injector and they're like well we don't

have it and so I called motch back and I

was like you know what do you guys

suggest and Simon Simon who ran uh MCH

USA said there's this guy Paul yaw that

that basically ran into this same

frustration and built test equipment to

be able to offer this service you can

send them the injectors do a full

characterization you get them back with

all the data you need as well as flow

results and everything so I did that I

sent him one set of those and uh he he

calls me and he was like you know I'll

do these for you he goes I've got a

th000 cc injector that's high impedance

that's way better than these things and

I'm like this is back in the day where

we're doing a lot of stock ECU stuff

with hondata mhm uh the factory

injectors are low impedance and have a

resistor box which is it's a real

halfast way to control a low impedance

injector but it's what we did and uh I

didn't know of anything bigger than RC's

750 that was high impedance and so I'm

like wait you've got a th000 C High

impedance injector that's better than

this he's like yeah so he sends me info

on him I'm like send me a set so I ended

up putting him in my race car yeah and

everything seemed better but you've got

a race car with big cams I mean it's

already IDL and like crazy like it

wasn't super clear yet so I was like

send me another set I put him in a stock

car and I couldn't believe it I mean the

steady which never happens with anything

else yeah and so I was like holy [ __ ]

these these things actually work and so

I called him back and I was like how

many of these do you think you can get

and he's like I don't know let me call

and see so he was it was an OE Ford

injector that he was modifying so he

calls Ford dealership and he's like you

know he's like I think I can get a

couple hundred I was like send me a

couple hundred and so I got those and I

started putting them in you know being a

tuner I knew all the tuners yeah so I

started putting them in the hands of the

tuners cuz at the end of the day if if

you buy some and you know put them in

your car and somebody Tunes it okay yeah

the car drives good but you didn't

really know what it took to get there

right and so tuners like whoa can you

get more of these right it's like I'm

I'm the drug dealer now and so um that

went for a while I just called it a BOS

thousand CC injector because injector

Dynamics wasn't a thing right and you

know Paul's the engineer that wants to

sit in his room and and do the math and

do and not talk to people yeah and So

eventually people started figuring out

where they were coming from and get in

contact with him and he called me one

day he's like look he goes I've been

doing he goes I've been in these for a

few years and it never went anywhere

yeah all a sudden you get involved and

now everybody wants these things he's

like I don't want to deal with these

people how about I'll do I'll do my part

you do your part I'll send everything to

you you handle all the sales

distribution tech support he knew I

could support the product technically MH

um and I was like yeah that sounds like

a deal and he's like I think we should

there should be a brand so we came up

with injector Dynamics and that was born

in um I think it was around

2007 and uh it's a handshake agreement

between him and I still to this day so

does he have what's his involvement now

with the with the businesses since it's

grown so much like is he still he still

handles all the development well okay so

this started out as uh modifying

injectors right and so we had one part

number they would that would started

like 500 CC we'd modify it it would make

a th000 mhm uh it was 48 mm long some of

the newer GM applications needed a

shorter body injector right so we found

another one that was a shorter body

injector that would be 850 once it was

modified so we came out with the 850 now

this is back in the day when people

still heard thousand CC injector went my

car won't run on those you know there's

no way that would work right so then we

did uh a 725 just for those people that

were scared of the nothing nothing

needed the 725 the Thousand would work

in it but it was the same length it was

just to to you know get people over the

hump and learn that these these will

work and so um we did that for a lot of

years and eventually got a really good

relationship with BOS Motorsport who was

supplying us with the the core injectors

right and eventually got to the point

where Bosch was interested in and making

custom injectors for us rather than us

having to modify these

injectors and so the ID 1300 was the

first one that that resulted from that

partnership uh today everything is

custom made for us by BOS we we don't

modify anything anymore so we still work

on them uh everything comes in from

Bosch it runs through a Breakin process

we've got a huge test bench that runs 48

injectors at a time at like 100 PSI and

a high frequency for about half an hour

to you think about it it's a it's a uh a

ball and seat valve yeah that you know

eventually that thing as it's new and it

you have a bunch of pulses eventually

things are going to move a little bit I

me we're talking about valve lift and

microns I mean yeah a little bit makes a

difference so we would find that

injectors were tested and they'd be

perfectly matched and then they'd run

for a little while and theyd come back

and there would be more of a spread than

we were comfortable with that wasn't

from contamination and so we started

doing the break-in process realizing

that that that was helping that problem

so they go through a break-in process

they go through the laser etching

process and then they go through the

flow testing process and then they're

all matched and then they come here as

match sets and then we handle you know

application specific stuff whether it

needs a tops uh bottoms whatever

connectors it needs so we had all that

so all these other companies um that

have injectors are they basically doing

what you guys started doing before they

moved up before you guys obviously had

Bosch doing all the modifications for

you y okay so Bosch isn't modifying them

they're building them to our spec oh

they so they're building them right so

they're actually doing the the 1000s and

the 1300s run on a production line at

Bosch now the 1700s their the volume is

still low so Bosch has what they call a

sample shop so if uh Bosch Motorsport

decides uh okay we want to work with you

on this custom part the sample shop

handles that and they're they're

handbuilt and

assembled once that's all finalized if

the volume's there and it can run on a

production line then they do and the

price can come down significantly yeah

but the volume's not there for the 1700

um and so we had the 725 the 850 and the

1,000 yeah when we when we switch to the

1050 the current smallest injector

to get the volume required to get it to

run on a production line at Bosch we had

to combine all the sales of all three of

those part numbers so by that time

people weren't scared of the the

Thousand right so we didn't need the 725

so the 1050 is a short body because we

can make the short one longer we just

couldn't make the long one shorter so we

can fit anything with that one injector

now MH so we did the 1050 1300 uh the

1700 is actually unique in that there

are some internal components on the 1700

that are manufactured at Paul's and in

Arizona okay and we send those to Bosch

and they assemble the injector with

these parts which was took a lot you

know at the end of the day Bosch still

has her name on it so it took a lot to

be able to make that happen but with the

valve lift required to get that flow

rate it wasn't usable without these

higher strength magnetic parts inside of

it and so that came about there and then

the 2600 uh is actually made in Germany

because that's a it's different

architecture it's called the ngi 2 and

it's a compressed natural gas injector

so we used to have the

id2000 it's a CG injector it it can work

with liquid fuels but there's a lot of

things you got to be careful about okay

Bosch didn't want anybody using those

with liquid fuels and we're like look

which ones the what we had is the old

id2000 it was 2200cc I was going ask you

about that CG injector everybody else

still sells them um Bosch did not want

those used with liquid fuel okay we're

like give us an give us an alternative

you know I mean it if you need more flow

than the

1700 if they're out there and other

people are selling them like we we have

to offer it yeah and so that was another

I all to release a single part number is

a insane amount of development so the

2600 was born with the goals that Bosch

is going to get the 2000s off the market

off the market yeah except for the

applications they're designed for C so

the 2600 is designed to our spec and

designed to be used with liquid fuel

okay and that's exclusive to us also

okay yeah I was going to ask you about

the 2000s because um a lot of people

were saying you can't run E85 with with

those and they were having issues with

the 2000s so normally it's a it's a

steel ball uh on the end of the injector

okay and so as as it opens the fuel just

flows around the ball that one's

completely different it's got uh it's

got a a flat face valve with a rubber

face on it I'd say rubber it's

technically some kind of chemical but uh

rubber keeps it simple and and so that

rubber seals on on a flat face on the the

the

injector there's fuel that goes both

through the center of it and comes

around it now with the normal ball it

has to open against the fuel

pressure with this one because of the

design of it it doesn't have to open

against fuel pressure so the high

pressure capability is insane the

offset's very low and it can get a lot

more flow than the ev14 architecture can

and so that's why you know we had to do

a lot of work to get a 1700 and it's

like all a sudden you got a 2600 it's

drastically different but yeah the

internal construction is completely

different on that injector now you

mentioned before um that people were scared to run the 1000s right a pretty

scared to run the 1000s right a pretty big I don't want to say misconception it

big I don't want to say misconception it could be but is is that like if you run

could be but is is that like if you run a injector that's too big you can have

a injector that's too big you can have idling issues is that true it is

idling issues is that true it is eventually yeah okay at what point the

eventually yeah okay at what point the the th well it matters what fuel you're

the th well it matters what fuel you're using right because as you run ethanol

using right because as you run ethanol or methanol the fuel volume increases

or methanol the fuel volume increases and so if you were to look at um what we

and so if you were to look at um what we could call like a daph of an ejector

could call like a daph of an ejector right so Flow versus pulse width when it

right so Flow versus pulse width when it gets down on the end at very low pulse

gets down on the end at very low pulse widths the flow starts to get nonlinear

widths the flow starts to get nonlinear and it gets funky okay and so if your

and it gets funky okay and so if your idle fuel requirements are high enough

idle fuel requirements are high enough up you know if you're using 20

up you know if you're using 20 microliters of fuel at idle on a small

microliters of fuel at idle on a small injector you're well into the linear

injector you're well into the linear range so everything's going to work

range so everything's going to work exactly as it should okay so as you get

exactly as it should okay so as you get bigger and bigger and the engine gets

bigger and bigger and the engine gets smaller and smaller and the fuel volume

smaller and smaller and the fuel volume requirements go down uh that gets harder

requirements go down uh that gets harder and harder so like the 1700s on some

and harder so like the 1700s on some cars they won't idle happily at sto um

cars they won't idle happily at sto um the 2600 same deal it's not going to

the 2600 same deal it's not going to idle at at sto but the other thing is by

idle at at sto but the other thing is by the time you you need an injector that

the time you you need an injector that big you probably have bigger cams than

big you probably have bigger cams than stock and it's not even if you had stock

stock and it's not even if you had stock injectors in there it wouldn't idle

injectors in there it wouldn't idle happily at sto right so you've got

happily at sto right so you've got multiple things going on but yeah as it

multiple things going on but yeah as it goes bigger it gets harder and harder

goes bigger it gets harder and harder for to to keep a good Idol and the other

for to to keep a good Idol and the other part you know how well the injectors are

part you know how well the injectors are matched it's easy to match them in the

matched it's easy to match them in the linear range or static flow rate but

linear range or static flow rate but getting a tight match down low is very

getting a tight match down low is very difficult because it's it's not it's not

difficult because it's it's not it's not linear so you've got all this nastiness

linear so you've got all this nastiness going on down there and so when you're

going on down there and so when you're looking at Raw data it's like you know I

looking at Raw data it's like you know I want these four to be the same but

want these four to be the same but nothing nothing jives yeah um Paul

nothing nothing jives yeah um Paul actually like over the last week we're

actually like over the last week we're about to release an ID 1750 to replace a

about to release an ID 1750 to replace a 1700 okay and in all the testing of that

1700 okay and in all the testing of that he found a new process that has worked

he found a new process that has worked really well for significantly better

really well for significantly better matching down low at idol so oh wow

matching down low at idol so oh wow there's a good chance the 1750s will

there's a good chance the 1750s will idle better than the 1700 did only

idle better than the 1700 did only because they're better matched right

because they're better matched right down there now can you can you kind of

down there now can you can you kind of maybe set the injector dead times to got

maybe set the injector dead times to got get a better idle uh the dead time is

get a better idle uh the dead time is what it is it's not a tunable parameter

what it is it's not a tunable parameter okay um you can adjust it but if you

okay um you can adjust it but if you change it from what it's supposed to be

change it from what it's supposed to be it doesn't fix anything so if you were

it doesn't fix anything so if you were to say it idle if you were to just

to say it idle if you were to just change the dead time a little bit yeah

change the dead time a little bit yeah uh it'll get richer or leaner by some

uh it'll get richer or leaner by some amount depending how much you change it

amount depending how much you change it now it's going to throw off the

now it's going to throw off the compensations where say the air temp

compensations where say the air temp wants to make a 5% change in Lambda if

wants to make a 5% change in Lambda if the offset's wrong you don't get five

the offset's wrong you don't get five you might get two you might get eight

you might get two you might get eight might get 20 depending on how far it's

might get 20 depending on how far it's off and so that's why it's important

off and so that's why it's important that the offsets are right now depending

that the offsets are right now depending on which direction you went with that

on which direction you went with that offset it'll either get richer or leaner

offset it'll either get richer or leaner so if that helps the idle then you know

so if that helps the idle then you know which direction you need to go but

which direction you need to go but that's not how you do it you do it by

that's not how you do it you do it by with whether it's your mass airflow

with whether it's your mass airflow curve or your V table you know depending

curve or your V table you know depending on what car it is got you so you can get

on what car it is got you so you can get there one way or another okay okay all

there one way or another okay okay all right I was always curious about that so

right I was always curious about that so now E85 right with these injectors all

now E85 right with these injectors all these injectors that you guys offer

these injectors that you guys offer you're able to run E85 full E85 any type

you're able to run E85 full E85 any type of ethanol right other companies that

of ethanol right other companies that have injectors those are pretty much

have injectors those are pretty much what you guys were using before yeah so

what you guys were using before yeah so what are we still talking about the big

what are we still talking about the big big stuff well I guess overall cuz

big stuff well I guess overall cuz obviously you guys stopped selling the

obviously you guys stopped selling the 2000s but you said there's probably I'm

2000s but you said there's probably I'm sure there's people still using them

sure there's people still using them yeah there's still Lots out there they

yeah there's still Lots out there they were in the same boat that are that we

were in the same boat that are that we were you were right right they need them

were you were right right they need them and they're out there so they're not

and they're out there so they're not going to not sell them so no matter what

going to not sell them so no matter what it's pretty much recommend that you you

it's pretty much recommend that you you don't use 85 with the 2000s across the

don't use 85 with the 2000s across the board whether it's your company or the

board whether it's your company or the the biggest problem with ethanol with

the biggest problem with ethanol with that injector is there there's internal

that injector is there there's internal components that can rust right since

components that can rust right since ethanol will absorb water from the air

ethanol will absorb water from the air uh if it's in a wet environment human

uh if it's in a wet environment human environment uh if they sit mhm they'll

environment uh if they sit mhm they'll rust once they're rusted they're trash

rust once they're rusted they're trash um the other part you know back to the

um the other part you know back to the that flat face R valve yeah uh there are

that flat face R valve yeah uh there are chemical reactions and so they're not

chemical reactions and so they're not compatible with mtbe so uh that was that

compatible with mtbe so uh that was that was an interesting one to learn the

was an interesting one to learn the first car I tuned on

first car I tuned on q16 uh which has uh pretty high mtbe

q16 uh which has uh pretty high mtbe content compared to other G race gases

content compared to other G race gases um it was on a it was on a Civic with an

um it was on a it was on a Civic with an old am with very little data but I was

old am with very little data but I was like this thing doesn't seem right and

like this thing doesn't seem right and the longer I tune it the leaner I kept

the longer I tune it the leaner I kept getting and I'm like what the hell is

getting and I'm like what the hell is going on eventually everything seemed to

going on eventually everything seemed to to normalize and so I'm like all right

to normalize and so I'm like all right so sent the car and uh they kept racing

so sent the car and uh they kept racing it and raced it all year everything was

it and raced it all year everything was fine it only ever saw q16 that valve

fine it only ever saw q16 that valve face swells a little bit and it

face swells a little bit and it stabilizes at some point and so it

stabilizes at some point and so it swelling is the same as reducing valve

swelling is the same as reducing valve lift and so we later did enough testing

lift and so we later did enough testing to find on q16 that injector goes from

to find on q16 that injector goes from about 2200 CC to, 1400cc

about 2200 CC to, 1400cc what what that's we're like oh okay so

what what that's we're like oh okay so let's not use it with q16 VP import uh

let's not use it with q16 VP import uh nitromethane is in good form so there's

nitromethane is in good form so there's there are chemical compatibility issues

there are chemical compatibility issues with that valve your this is all at like

with that valve your this is all at like 40 PSI uh base fuel pressure depends on

40 PSI uh base fuel pressure depends on the car okay so so uh generally speaking

the car okay so so uh generally speaking as fuel pressure goes up fuel pump flow

as fuel pressure goes up fuel pump flow goes down right so say you've got a car

goes down right so say you've got a car that you're your your your fuel pressure

that you're your your your fuel pressure is falling but your duty cycle at you

is falling but your duty cycle at you know 50 50% so you've got enough

know 50 50% so you've got enough injector to lower the fuel pressure and

injector to lower the fuel pressure and just use more injector right well doing

just use more injector right well doing lowering the fuel pressure is going to

lowering the fuel pressure is going to increase the output from the fuel pump

increase the output from the fuel pump so sometimes you you can make something

so sometimes you you can make something work that way yeah now our new brushless

work that way yeah now our new brushless pump has the same output regardless of

pump has the same output regardless of pressure so you know when we say we're

pressure so you know when we say we're our single brushless pump will make

our single brushless pump will make 2,000 horsepower on ethanol period

2,000 horsepower on ethanol period doesn't matter as long as pressure is

doesn't matter as long as pressure is below 150 psi and long as long as

below 150 psi and long as long as voltage is over 8 volts okay so the way

voltage is over 8 volts okay so the way the controller works is it maintains uh

the controller works is it maintains uh a set output regardless of of conditions

a set output regardless of of conditions so normally pressure goes up the pump's

so normally pressure goes up the pump's going to slow down and that's why the

going to slow down and that's why the output goes down so pressure goes up our

output goes down so pressure goes up our controller drives it with More Voltage

controller drives it with More Voltage to maintain the pump speed and that

to maintain the pump speed and that happens all the way to 150 and all the

happens all the way to 150 and all the way down to 8 volts and after that it's

way down to 8 volts and after that it's it's out of what what it can supply as

it's out of what what it can supply as far as voltage to the pump right but but

far as voltage to the pump right but but you know if you were to compare it you

you know if you were to compare it you know at the extremes um it could do five

know at the extremes um it could do five or six times what a single one of those

or six times what a single one of those pumps could do uh on a normal brush

pumps could do uh on a normal brush lless controller right so it's been it's

lless controller right so it's been it's been huge we've actually got uh an old

been huge we've actually got uh an old GTR build here right now that back in

GTR build here right now that back in the day was the lambo killer so it's uh

the day was the lambo killer so it's uh 1,600 horsepower it's got uh three wobo

1,600 horsepower it's got uh three wobo pumps with a four hanger and two voltage

pumps with a four hanger and two voltage boosters so we've got two pumps running

boosters so we've got two pumps running at 18 either 18 21 volts and then a

at 18 either 18 21 volts and then a single one running at battery voltage

single one running at battery voltage and it took all that to make 1,600 back

and it took all that to make 1,600 back in the day and now we can do it with a

in the day and now we can do it with a single controller and a single pump and

single controller and a single pump and all this is happening at so at 40 40 PSI

all this is happening at so at 40 40 PSI uh yeah those cars um when walro first

uh yeah those cars um when walro first came out with their ethanol compatible

came out with their ethanol compatible intank pump mhm it had the uh high

intank pump mhm it had the uh high pressure pop off valve on it was it like

pressure pop off valve on it was it like 90 PSI well any of these cars running

90 PSI well any of these cars running any amount of boost they're going to see

any amount of boost they're going to see that and you'd see the fuel pressure

that and you'd see the fuel pressure would come up and then once that valve

would come up and then once that valve opens it's just like a a little ball and

opens it's just like a a little ball and spring you once it opens pressure would

spring you once it opens pressure would drop and it doesn't immediately close

drop and it doesn't immediately close right so that it eventually closes back

right so that it eventually closes back up and it could come back up and it

up and it could come back up and it you'd see this right so then they came

you'd see this right so then they came out with well first we started modifying

out with well first we started modifying those you could drill in and and press

those you could drill in and and press the the set in to increase the spring

the the set in to increase the spring pressure and so that would change the

pressure and so that would change the pressure that it would pop off at then

pressure that it would pop off at then they made a high pressure version of

they made a high pressure version of that but it's still like uh 115 or 120

that but it's still like uh 115 or 120 PSI and you know if you're running 50 or

PSI and you know if you're running 50 or 60 pounds of boost you're gonna get

60 pounds of boost you're gonna get there yeah right so so now you've got to

there yeah right so so now you've got to stay below that so you've got to make

stay below that so you've got to make sure your injectors are big enough to

sure your injectors are big enough to provide the volume you need at the

provide the volume you need at the pressure you can use right as far as the

pressure you can use right as far as the injector goes if the differential

injector goes if the differential pressure goes up flow goes up period so

pressure goes up flow goes up period so uh being that our our controller and

uh being that our our controller and pump can do uh up to 150 psi now we can

pump can do uh up to 150 psi now we can have situations where we use a smaller

have situations where we use a smaller injector and we can run 70 or 80 psi

injector and we can run 70 or 80 psi base fuel pressure and get a lot of the

base fuel pressure and get a lot of the benefits of a smaller injector with uh

benefits of a smaller injector with uh the higher fuel pressure and you know

the higher fuel pressure and you know technically the higher fuel pressure

technically the higher fuel pressure does help a bit with fuel atomization

does help a bit with fuel atomization but in the real world it doesn't I've

but in the real world it doesn't I've never seen it amount to horsepower gains

never seen it amount to horsepower gains so so with higher fuel pressure right

so so with higher fuel pressure right does that increase

does that increase heat uh it would increase a little bit

heat uh it would increase a little bit of heat on the pump the brushed pumps

of heat on the pump the brushed pumps have fuel running through the brushes

have fuel running through the brushes and the motor and all that and they heat

and the motor and all that and they heat up the fuel a lot more than a brushless

up the fuel a lot more than a brushless pump does okay um but in the end it's

pump does okay um but in the end it's not really a factor okay so now this

not really a factor okay so now this controller right that you guys have is

controller right that you guys have is there is that still like pretty much

there is that still like pretty much it's not in testing people have it right

it's not in testing people have it right but is that is that something that you

but is that is that something that you guys are still kind of working on and

guys are still kind of working on and and figuring things out with or no it's

and figuring things out with or no it's pretty much a set it's pretty pricey too

pretty much a set it's pretty pricey too we worked on it for a solid six or seven

we worked on it for a solid six or seven years before we released it what it went

years before we released it what it went it went from an idea to a working

it went from an idea to a working concept forever to eventually now a

concept forever to eventually now a production piece so there's I think

production piece so there's I think we're on serial number 700 or so right

we're on serial number 700 or so right now so there there's there's lot of them

now so there there's there's lot of them out there wow and so now you can just

out there wow and so now you can just run this controller with one pump

run this controller with one pump basically as long as you make I've made

basically as long as you make I've made 2200 at the wheels on ethanol with one

2200 at the wheels on ethanol with one so if you're making less than that

so if you're making less than that you're probably fine with just one damn

you're probably fine with just one damn and then on on the the v10s that are

and then on on the the v10s that are making more will run two of the two of

making more will run two of the two of the brushless pumps same pump mhm with

the brushless pumps same pump mhm with our controller it's good for a little

our controller it's good for a little over 2,000 with the factory R8

over 2,000 with the factory R8 controller it's good for about 700 or so

controller it's good for about 700 or so yeah so that combo we've got 27 to 2900

yeah so that combo we've got 27 to 2900 um and we haven't maxed that out yet

um and we haven't maxed that out yet that's like a big deal man yeah

that's like a big deal man yeah especially with like how fuel used to be

especially with like how fuel used to be us said four four pumps in the tank and

us said four four pumps in the tank and all these other contrations and stuff

all these other contrations and stuff like just to have one controller operate

like just to have one controller operate one pump and make that kind of power is

one pump and make that kind of power is kind of it's kind of crazy and with full

kind of it's kind of crazy and with full speed control so you know you're not

speed control so you know you're not circulating the pump will flow 1100 L

circulating the pump will flow 1100 L per hour yeah but that's only when you

per hour yeah but that's only when you need it right so it'll flow 300 on the

need it right so it'll flow 300 on the minimum mhm and then that same pump on

minimum mhm and then that same pump on the ra controller will go even lower

the ra controller will go even lower than that so you know you've got

than that so you know you've got something capable of close to 3,000

something capable of close to 3,000 horsepower and you're you're circulating

horsepower and you're you're circulating enough for 500 horsepower on ethanol uh

enough for 500 horsepower on ethanol uh at idol yeah versus you know all the

at idol yeah versus you know all the staged pumps you know we got whether the

staged pumps you know we got whether the ECU did it or we have hob switches I

ECU did it or we have hob switches I mean yeah it's the same as the the check

mean yeah it's the same as the the check valves on our map censor line back in

valves on our map censor line back in the day you you do what you got to do

the day you you do what you got to do the technology wasn't there to do

the technology wasn't there to do something better but right it is now

something better but right it is now damn that's impressive man that's cool

damn that's impressive man that's cool that's cool as [ __ ] I'm going to have to

that's cool as [ __ ] I'm going to have to might have to look into that there you

might have to look into that there you go so um at Texas 2K you had one of the

go so um at Texas 2K you had one of the uh the Audi there I think it was a was

uh the Audi there I think it was a was it GT4 yeah that's G my new drag build

it GT4 yeah that's G my new drag build when is that going to when is that going

when is that going to when is that going to be done uh hoping to have it at FL 2K

to be done uh hoping to have it at FL 2K really yep so can you talk about that

really yep so can you talk about that build and what what's uh what's going to

build and what what's uh what's going to be like in that car setup wise so the

be like in that car setup wise so the GT4 it's such a neat car to start from

GT4 it's such a neat car to start from you know it comes with I mean a better

you know it comes with I mean a better cage than I've ever seen in any drag car

cage than I've ever seen in any drag car and uh a proper race seat and I mean

and uh a proper race seat and I mean it's it's a race car from Audi but it's

it's it's a race car from Audi but it's still the R8 um it's rear wheel drive

still the R8 um it's rear wheel drive uh it's a fair amount lighter just

uh it's a fair amount lighter just because it doesn't have the crap you

because it doesn't have the crap you don't need right but the biggest problem

don't need right but the biggest problem with these cars at at their extremes is

with these cars at at their extremes is keeping the wheels down and so you know

keeping the wheels down and so you know the you've got uh engine trans all the

the you've got uh engine trans all the turbo everything's back mhm and so with

turbo everything's back mhm and so with that car I put a fuel cell in the very

that car I put a fuel cell in the very front put the water tank in the very

front put the water tank in the very front and I put the um the turbos up

front and I put the um the turbos up where the side pod radiators normally

where the side pod radiators normally are and then the intercoolers are where

are and then the intercoolers are where the factory gas tank was so all the mass

the factory gas tank was so all the mass is is forward of the engine right so the

is is forward of the engine right so the goal is that um it'll be able to put the

goal is that um it'll be able to put the power down without wheeling and

power down without wheeling and ultimately go faster you know we we've

ultimately go faster you know we we've got wheelie control we can we can

got wheelie control we can we can control the wheelie but at the end of

control the wheelie but at the end of the day if it's going to wheelie and

the day if it's going to wheelie and you're pulling torque out of it to keep

you're pulling torque out of it to keep it not Wheeling yeah you're not going to

it not Wheeling yeah you're not going to go faster unless you get around that

go faster unless you get around that right right so um we can put ballast up

right right so um we can put ballast up front I mean back to the front wheel

front I mean back to the front wheel drive days I've got 150 lbs of ballast

drive days I've got 150 lbs of ballast in the front of that car just to start

in the front of that car just to start out yeah and then you know once once

out yeah and then you know once once it's going and everything's good I'll

it's going and everything's good I'll start pulling it out but I don't want to

start pulling it out but I don't want to start with Wheeling I'd rather start

start with Wheeling I'd rather start with not we we'll work work backwards

with not we we'll work work backwards how much power is that car going to

how much power is that car going to make uh I it it should make over 3,000

make uh I it it should make over 3,000 pretty comfortably I mean it has all the

pretty comfortably I mean it has all the right stuff that car is on methanol it's

right stuff that car is on methanol it's first V10 we've done on methanol okay uh

first V10 we've done on methanol okay uh it has 80 mm turbos it's got a build

it has 80 mm turbos it's got a build block I mean it's got all the right

block I mean it's got all the right stuff so we've done 20 a little over 26

stuff so we've done 20 a little over 26 uh with smaller turbos on ethanol on a

uh with smaller turbos on ethanol on a factory block so I think it'll do it

factory block so I think it'll do it it's not going to need it right off the

it's not going to need it right off the bat but I mean it has the potential to

bat but I mean it has the potential to do everything it needs to do and you're

do everything it needs to do and you're going to go for records it's going to be

going to go for records it's going to be half mile quarter mile car quart quarter

half mile quarter mile car quart quarter mile only qu mile only it's still rear

mile only qu mile only it's still rear wheel drive um on on the drag strip on

wheel drive um on on the drag strip on slicks uh there's not a lot lost

slicks uh there's not a lot lost especially when you have a car like this

especially when you have a car like this it's so light in the front end yeah you

it's so light in the front end yeah you know the the fronts really can't do that

know the the fronts really can't do that much if they're barely touching the

much if they're barely touching the ground um but if I was to do half mile

ground um but if I was to do half mile or uh you know roll racing on a non- pre

or uh you know roll racing on a non- pre surface losing all-wheel drive is way

surface losing all-wheel drive is way too much of a loss so those cars need to

too much of a loss so those cars need to be all-wheel drive I always thought that

be all-wheel drive I always thought that um like the fast fastest cars were wheer

um like the fast fastest cars were wheer Drive they are the fastest cars are drag

Drive they are the fastest cars are drag cars right and they're on they've got

cars right and they're on they've got big slicks and they're on a I mean

big slicks and they're on a I mean you've stood on a racetrack before right

you've stood on a racetrack before right you know that when your shoe sticks to

you know that when your shoe sticks to it it's different than the street yeah

it it's different than the street yeah but when you when it comes to non- pre

but when you when it comes to non- pre surface rear wheel drive won't compare

surface rear wheel drive won't compare to a drive you know eventually you could

to a drive you know eventually you could still have a fast car but you're going

still have a fast car but you're going to have a massive Tire on it right right

to have a massive Tire on it right right and so I mean you can only fit so much

and so I mean you can only fit so much on something like this yeah so yeah so

on something like this yeah so yeah so with the rear wheel drive and O drive if

with the rear wheel drive and O drive if you're rooll racing right I've always

you're rooll racing right I've always when I was younger I don't know who told

when I was younger I don't know who told me this but apparently when you're

me this but apparently when you're racing a car and it's Ola drive against

racing a car and it's Ola drive against a rear wheel drive car um since it's

a rear wheel drive car um since it's since the power has to be distributed

since the power has to be distributed through four wheels um it won't take off

through four wheels um it won't take off as fast as a rear wheel drive car is

as fast as a rear wheel drive car is that true no no difference at all none

that true no no difference at all none at all I mean the the wheels are already

at all I mean the the wheels are already dri it's not like there's slack in the

dri it's not like there's slack in the drive line or something okay right now

drive line or something okay right now what you will see is uh how the car

what you will see is uh how the car takes off right are you using antiag are

takes off right are you using antiag are you brake boosting do on a roll though

you brake boosting do on a roll though only I'm talking about right does it

only I'm talking about right does it have big turbos where you know you floor

have big turbos where you know you floor it it takes a second and a half for the

it it takes a second and a half for the Boost to come up okay versus maybe you

Boost to come up okay versus maybe you got a rear wheel drive drag car with a a

got a rear wheel drive drag car with a a V10 in it that's got you know instant

V10 in it that's got you know instant torque yeah so that's what's going to

torque yeah so that's what's going to determine the hit uh technically if it's

determine the hit uh technically if it's a high horsepower car and say you're

a high horsepower car and say you're going from

going from 60 the the re drive car is not going to

60 the the re drive car is not going to be able to put it all down but if the

be able to put it all down but if the all drive car can now that car's going

all drive car can now that car's going to leave it you know and when it comes

to leave it you know and when it comes to roll racing it's it's an ET race it's

to roll racing it's it's an ET race it's not a mile hour race you know we talk

not a mile hour race you know we talk about the mile hour but it's who gets to

about the mile hour but it's who gets to the Finish Line first yeah and so that's

the Finish Line first yeah and so that's where you know being able to put it all

where you know being able to put it all down as soon as you can as big versus

down as soon as you can as big versus half mile is it's it's just mile hour

half mile is it's it's just mile hour it's not about ET you know you see those

it's not about ET you know you see those car they leave slow yeah you know they

car they leave slow yeah you know they get half track and they're really steam

get half track and they're really steam but yeah the roll race is still it's

but yeah the roll race is still it's still a drag race

still a drag race so even on the street same thing applies

so even on the street same thing applies yeah basically okay that's good to know

yeah basically okay that's good to know I've always wondered that I never got to

I've always wondered that I never got to ask anybody but that was always the

ask anybody but that was always the thing because I always it kind of made

thing because I always it kind of made sense though like if you have to

sense though like if you have to distribute power through I guess more

distribute power through I guess more wheels and it would take longer for the

wheels and it would take longer for the car to pick up but that kind of makes

car to pick up but that kind of makes sense so now with the Audi with the GT4

sense so now with the Audi with the GT4 um you said you're running 80 M 80 mil

um you said you're running 80 M 80 mil turbos y so are these 80 M also they are

turbos y so are these 80 M also they are so when you say 80 mm that that refers

so when you say 80 mm that that refers to the compressor inducer diameter right

to the compressor inducer diameter right so the the biggest part at Inlet of the

so the the biggest part at Inlet of the compressor wheel then you've got the

compressor wheel then you've got the exducer diameter which is the the back

exducer diameter which is the the back side of the wheel and so not all 80mm

side of the wheel and so not all 80mm compressors are the same but for the

compressors are the same but for the most part and that's why there's um the

most part and that's why there's um the turbo rules are usually based around the

turbo rules are usually based around the inducer diameter because that's the

inducer diameter because that's the biggest factor in power uh those are g45

biggest factor in power uh those are g45 Garretts these are g47 so the in Garrett

Garretts these are g47 so the in Garrett PE the 45 and the 47 refers to the

PE the 45 and the 47 refers to the turbine wheel so these are bigger

turbine wheel so these are bigger turbine wheel than those are and for

turbine wheel than those are and for Garrett yeah

Garrett yeah Oh I thought it was a frame like how SI

Oh I thought it was a frame like how SI because every company has their you know

because every company has their you know their thing for size yeah so the

their thing for size yeah so the technically the 40 the 40 g42 and g45

technically the 40 the 40 g42 and g45 can be had in the same frame you know

can be had in the same frame you know you could take the fulls sizee 42 and

you could take the fulls sizee 42 and unbolt it and bolt in a fulls sizee 45

unbolt it and bolt in a fulls sizee 45 the 47 has a little bit bigger

the 47 has a little bit bigger compressor housing um but it's still

compressor housing um but it's still what they call the the large frame turbo

what they call the the large frame turbo yeah um but yeah the the numbers in

yeah um but yeah the the numbers in Garrett speak the the G 3540 42 45 that

Garrett speak the the G 3540 42 45 that all refers to the turbine size right and

all refers to the turbine size right and then the way Garrett does it the next

then the way Garrett does it the next number so the G those are g45 1600s so

number so the G those are g45 1600s so the 1600 is the horsepower it should

the 1600 is the horsepower it should make okay so they keep it simple um you

make okay so they keep it simple um you know there's

know there's g45 uh 1450 I think which is a smaller

g45 uh 1450 I think which is a smaller compressor inducer so that's basically

compressor inducer so that's basically so it has nothing to do with the uh the

so it has nothing to do with the uh the wheel size or anything like that the

wheel size or anything like that the second number technically it it relates

second number technically it it relates to the compressor wheel size but it's

to the compressor wheel size but it's not a measurement got it's a horsepower

not a measurement got it's a horsepower estimation right so is Garrett pretty

estimation right so is Garrett pretty much cuz I know when you like get like a

much cuz I know when you like get like a custom manifold they usually basically

custom manifold they usually basically say it's good for like a g42 or kind of

say it's good for like a g42 or kind of you know Sol the frame size turbo but

you know Sol the frame size turbo but Precision seems to be like just

Precision seems to be like just different like it's every company's they

different like it's every company's they all do it different which is is nice I

all do it different which is is nice I kind of wish it was like more like a

kind of wish it was like more like a like a one like a IND industry standard

like a one like a IND industry standard Precision kind of started this you know

Precision kind of started this you know 6266 thing and and that n clature makes

6266 thing and and that n clature makes a lot of sense to people so uh turbos

a lot of sense to people so uh turbos smart started doing turbos they they did

smart started doing turbos they they did the same thing yeah so that's I'd say

the same thing yeah so that's I'd say that's the most common uh Force

that's the most common uh Force performance in Zona does it um oh they

performance in Zona does it um oh they do uh flow the pound pound pounds per

do uh flow the pound pound pounds per minute yeah so the first part is pounds

minute yeah so the first part is pounds per minute and the second is uh the

per minute and the second is uh the turbine I don't know if it's inducer or

turbine I don't know if it's inducer or exducer so like the 9569 the 90 it's 95

exducer so like the 9569 the 90 it's 95 lb per minute compressor yeah with their

lb per minute compressor yeah with their 69 mil uh turbine wheel so yeah

69 mil uh turbine wheel so yeah everybody does it different but they

everybody does it different but they actually just switched it they're going

actually just switched it they're going to switch their I think one of the one

to switch their I think one of the one of the lines they're going to switch to

of the lines they're going to switch to uh how Precision does because people

uh how Precision does because people were getting confused yeah and they kind

were getting confused yeah and they kind of he said they quickly realize the

of he said they quickly realize the power capabilities of like like if he

power capabilities of like like if he says it's like a 1150 then you think oh

says it's like a 1150 then you think oh you can make 1150 on it but um it's just

you can make 1150 on it but um it's just easier because everyone's kind of like

easier because everyone's kind of like on that same turbos are very complicated

on that same turbos are very complicated and especially when it gets to

and especially when it gets to compressor maps and stuff yeah most

compressor maps and stuff yeah most people don't understand it so the simple

people don't understand it so the simple the more simple you can make it the

the more simple you can make it the better it's going to be for everybody

better it's going to be for everybody and you know as a a normal consumer that

and you know as a a normal consumer that goes to buy a turbo M if they understand

goes to buy a turbo M if they understand it they're a lot more likely to buy your

it they're a lot more likely to buy your product anyway so you know being oh no

product anyway so you know being oh no we're we're more engineering based and

we're we're more engineering based and ours is right there's is

ours is right there's is wrong okay that's that could be cool but

wrong okay that's that could be cool but you're probably losing sales because of

you're probably losing sales because of it no 100% 100% so now when it comes to

it no 100% 100% so now when it comes to just overall like I guess racing and

just overall like I guess racing and obviously you have fast cars been at Tas

obviously you have fast cars been at Tas 2K you've done broke records done

2K you've done broke records done everything do you feel like there's any

everything do you feel like there's any competition out there for you yeah

competition out there for you yeah there's always competition really yeah

there's always competition really yeah look I mean we've held records but but

look I mean we've held records but but nobody nobody keeps a record right

nobody nobody keeps a record right eventually somebody's going to come take

eventually somebody's going to come take it so um yeah there's there's a lot of

it so um yeah there's there's a lot of good competition out there so so you

good competition out there so so you think anybody anybody's gonna be Billy's

think anybody anybody's gonna be Billy's car that's that's a I don't know if

car that's that's a I don't know if anything in the works you know and it's

anything in the works you know and it's funny Billy's car is so much faster than

funny Billy's car is so much faster than most that are doing that um it's the

most that are doing that um it's the only purpose built roll race car we've

only purpose built roll race car we've ever built everybody wants build builds

ever built everybody wants build builds a drrive car and roll RAC it so you know

a drrive car and roll RAC it so you know you're building to some kind of drag

you're building to some kind of drag class rules nobody would build this

class rules nobody would build this combo into a street car and go to drag

combo into a street car and go to drag race because you'd end up racing George

race because you'd end up racing George and it's like okay your car's 800 lbs

and it's like okay your car's 800 lbs heavier like that's not a race yeah so

heavier like that's not a race yeah so in the r race stuff this car is not

in the r race stuff this car is not allowed because it's a race car mhm so

allowed because it's a race car mhm so you know he went he went all the way and

you know he went he went all the way and nobody else has done that yet and you

nobody else has done that yet and you know there's uh ETS has made this kind

know there's uh ETS has made this kind of power MH so I mean there's no reason

of power MH so I mean there's no reason they couldn't build the same thing it's

they couldn't build the same thing it's just it takes a special person like that

just it takes a special person like that wants to do that for for one purpose now

wants to do that for for one purpose now do you count that as like cuz that's

do you count that as like cuz that's technically uh I guess customer car but

technically uh I guess customer car but I guess for you maybe that was I don't

I guess for you maybe that was I don't know if that was more personal when I

know if that was more personal when I asked you the question like if it was

asked you the question like if it was more like competition wise but like

more like competition wise but like obviously it's a customer C do you do

obviously it's a customer C do you do you feel like there's competition

you feel like there's competition anywhere

anywhere else uh in in regard to other cars Roll

else uh in in regard to other cars Roll Racing I mean there hasn't there hasn't

Racing I mean there hasn't there hasn't shown to be yet really why you I mean

shown to be yet really why you I mean there's fast cars right but there's

there's fast cars right but there's nothing that's like oh I think that car

nothing that's like oh I think that car would beat Billy's car yet and what

would beat Billy's car yet and what about um for drag racing um this car

about um for drag racing um this car went uh

went uh 651 probably three years ago or so mhm

651 probably three years ago or so mhm and we spent a couple years playing with

and we spent a couple years playing with it rear wheel drive to see if the uh

it rear wheel drive to see if the uh weight loss outweighed the the traction

weight loss outweighed the the traction loss yeah right so we dropped about 200

loss yeah right so we dropped about 200 lb making it rear wheel drive it was

lb making it rear wheel drive it was still the factory trans so we're still

still the factory trans so we're still dealing with all the G gr6 stuff and um

dealing with all the G gr6 stuff and um we went the 651 with it but it still

we went the 651 with it but it still wasn't as fast half track as we had gone

wasn't as fast half track as we had gone all-wheel drive okay and so we just

all-wheel drive okay and so we just switched it back um end of last year or

switched it back um end of last year or early this year to all-wheel drive and

early this year to all-wheel drive and we don't have that many passes on it

we don't have that many passes on it with all-wheel drive but we've already

with all-wheel drive but we've already bettered the 60 to 130 an eigh mile from

bettered the 60 to 130 an eigh mile from what it was right so I'm confident it's

what it was right so I'm confident it's going to go quicker now at this level

going to go quicker now at this level there nobody else really trying right

there nobody else really trying right now you know ETS was the only other one

now you know ETS was the only other one um and they've I don't know if they sold

um and they've I don't know if they sold the car or what but I don't know who

the car or what but I don't know who else is trying to compete at this level

else is trying to compete at this level right now so there's no competition

right now so there's no competition because nobody else is competing got it

because nobody else is competing got it but you know somebody somebody will do

but you know somebody somebody will do it and I I hope they do it's more fun to

it and I I hope they do it's more fun to race when you're that's the thing

race when you're that's the thing because it's like you're already when

because it's like you're already when you're already there it's like how do

you're already there it's like how do you how do you stay motivated yeah well

you how do you stay motivated yeah well and the other part is with for this

and the other part is with for this carard to run a record it's on kill in

carard to run a record it's on kill in every regard okay right right and so you

every regard okay right right and so you only get so many attempts at that and

only get so many attempts at that and it's not cheap right right so if that's

it's not cheap right right so if that's all I was doing you know that's it's not

all I was doing you know that's it's not my call as long as Jordan wants to do it

my call as long as Jordan wants to do it we'll do it but um if it was my car I

we'll do it but um if it was my car I would probably be looking to do

would probably be looking to do something different but the V10 stuff is

something different but the V10 stuff is new to me uh every time we go out we

new to me uh every time we go out we have the potential to go quite a bit

have the potential to go quite a bit quicker yeah and this car is really

quicker yeah and this car is really exciting to me because it's I mean it's

exciting to me because it's I mean it's all new stuff right so

all new stuff right so yeah that's kind of lit a flame again

yeah that's kind of lit a flame again that's like the new chapter basically

that's like the new chapter basically yeah we we want to see I want to see

yeah we we want to see I want to see that I got to be there for that I'll be

that I got to be there for that I'll be at fl2k so I'm surprised you're even

at fl2k so I'm surprised you're even going I didn't even know you're going to

going I didn't even know you're going to run it there this is this will be our

run it there this is this will be our first fl2k because we've done World Cup

first fl2k because we've done World Cup finals in Maryland for the past handful

finals in Maryland for the past handful of years MH and when we go to a race we

of years MH and when we go to a race we bring you know at WCF usually maybe five

bring you know at WCF usually maybe five six seven cars yeah uh tx2k or FL 2K 10

six seven cars yeah uh tx2k or FL 2K 10 to 12 cars mhm when you bring that that

to 12 cars mhm when you bring that that number of cars we can't do two races 30

number of cars we can't do two races 30 days apart and so that's what it's

days apart and so that's what it's always been and so we went to WCF um not

always been and so we went to WCF um not because we're competitive there because

because we're competitive there because we're not because it's back to the pro

we're not because it's back to the pro tree thing so we're racing cars on a pro

tree thing so we're racing cars on a pro Tre either we go in first and they burn

Tre either we go in first and they burn us down or they go in quick and you're

us down or they go in quick and you're screwed yeah because this car takes

screwed yeah because this car takes close to two seconds on in launch before

close to two seconds on in launch before the Boost is ready for it to leave so if

the Boost is ready for it to leave so if you go in second you only got half a

you go in second you only got half a second so you either go early and bog

second so you either go early and bog and hope he breaks or something

and hope he breaks or something or wait you're boost and hope you can

or wait you're boost and hope you can run down at WCF the cars are fast it's

run down at WCF the cars are fast it's so we went there because it's a good

so we went there because it's a good track the weather's great and the

track the weather's great and the potential to set records which is where

potential to set records which is where that set the record right right um but

that set the record right right um but you know that only that only lasts so

you know that only that only lasts so long people want to race so FL 2K is a

long people want to race so FL 2K is a race for us tx2k so but the heat isn't

race for us tx2k so but the heat isn't going to be an issue you think like you

going to be an issue you think like you won't you won't really see that car's

won't you won't really see that car's full potential in in that kind of

full potential in in that kind of weather right um it it makes a

weather right um it it makes a difference but it's not huge so because

difference but it's not huge so because of the air to water intercoolers mhm

of the air to water intercoolers mhm we're able to get the Air temps that the

we're able to get the Air temps that the engine sees uh roughly the same almost

engine sees uh roughly the same almost no matter what the ambient temp is the

no matter what the ambient temp is the intercooler works really well now what

intercooler works really well now what is different is the compressor

is different is the compressor efficiency changes so it won't make as

efficiency changes so it won't make as much boost so we will see a difference

much boost so we will see a difference there um the 90 PBS of boost is in

there um the 90 PBS of boost is in really good conditions like Mir um in

really good conditions like Mir um in lesser conditions we'll still see over

lesser conditions we'll still see over 80 yeah so I mean it'll still make a lot

80 yeah so I mean it'll still make a lot of power there's nothing you can do when

of power there's nothing you can do when it comes to like I've seen this this uh

it comes to like I've seen this this uh there was one turbo I've seen they had

there was one turbo I've seen they had like a some Port right in front of the

like a some Port right in front of the compressor wheel and it sprayed uh I

compressor wheel and it sprayed uh I don't know if it was nitrous it was

don't know if it was nitrous it was something else I'm not sure what it was

something else I'm not sure what it was you do nitrous you can do water I I

you do nitrous you can do water I I experimented it was water I experimented

experimented it was water I experimented with that a long time ago uh on the

with that a long time ago uh on the Integra I tried ethanol no intercooler

Integra I tried ethanol no intercooler and water injection okay and it was a

and water injection okay and it was a pretty neat deal so the the Mis thing

pretty neat deal so the the Mis thing that I used was uh it was for like an

that I used was uh it was for like an automated painting thing okay so it had

automated painting thing okay so it had this really really fine mist and since

this really really fine mist and since it was before the turbo it didn't need a

it was before the turbo it didn't need a high press pump like a normal methanol

high press pump like a normal methanol injection would where it's spraying into

injection would where it's spraying into a charge pipe yeah and so I had a deal

a charge pipe yeah and so I had a deal where uh it had a chamber that was

where uh it had a chamber that was pressurized by boost pressure that fed

pressurized by boost pressure that fed the the valve and so I put a boost

the the valve and so I put a boost solenoid in line on that so I could

solenoid in line on that so I could control the amount of water flow so I

control the amount of water flow so I could I could pulse that and restrict

could I could pulse that and restrict the Boost to the chamber to get less

the Boost to the chamber to get less water flow and so I had control of the

water flow and so I had control of the water flow through the computer that way

water flow through the computer that way and uh I started with full flow you know

and uh I started with full flow you know everything was was working but the car

everything was was working but the car was down on Power and so I was started

was down on Power and so I was started doing less and less water and the power

doing less and less water and the power kept coming up but the Air temps also

kept coming up but the Air temps also kept coming up and I got to like 250°

kept coming up and I got to like 250° Air temps and I'm like man I'm not I'm

Air temps and I'm like man I'm not I'm not comfortable with this anymore yeah

not comfortable with this anymore yeah so I just put it inter cor on it okay so

so I just put it inter cor on it okay so you kind of allev that yeah but I mean

you kind of allev that yeah but I mean there's there there's potential for

there's there there's potential for things like that for sure yeah I think

things like that for sure yeah I think actually it was it was air I think he

actually it was it was air I think he had air and it was spinning the turbo

had air and it was spinning the turbo faster m sure I'm not sure I think it

faster m sure I'm not sure I think it could work maybe to get it going but at

could work maybe to get it going but at the end of the day I mean you know

the end of the day I mean you know depending on the size of turbo this

depending on the size of turbo this thing will see over 100,000 RPM on the

thing will see over 100,000 RPM on the turbo and you're you're not going to put

turbo and you're you're not going to put air in there fast enough to to speed

air in there fast enough to to speed that up same deal you know like uh Ram

that up same deal you know like uh Ram Air you know a lot of naturally

Air you know a lot of naturally aspirated cars they have you know some

aspirated cars they have you know some kind of vents in the hood or whatever to

kind of vents in the hood or whatever to try to get some positive pressure right

try to get some positive pressure right right so if if roughly 100 kPa is

right so if if roughly 100 kPa is atmospheric pressure um say you took

atmospheric pressure um say you took that car and had it on a trailer and the

that car and had it on a trailer and the engine's off right so it's not consuming

engine's off right so it's not consuming any air and you go fast enough to where

any air and you go fast enough to where positive pressure builds you know in the

positive pressure builds you know in the engine or in the throttle before the

engine or in the throttle before the throttle technically that could be boost

throttle technically that could be boost basically mhm now now you open the

basically mhm now now you open the throttle and the engine starts consuming

throttle and the engine starts consuming all the air that it's consuming now you

all the air that it's consuming now you have to you have to overrun what it's

have to you have to overrun what it's consuming to be able to have any kind of

consuming to be able to have any kind of positive pressure ahead of that so in a

positive pressure ahead of that so in a naturally aspirated car you could you

naturally aspirated car you could you could get there uh I did I did a lot

could get there uh I did I did a lot with this with the Integra and I a

with this with the Integra and I a really nice airbox and it fed through

really nice airbox and it fed through both the headlights and it was sealed to

both the headlights and it was sealed to the turbo and everything and you know at

the turbo and everything and you know at this time it was probably making like

this time it was probably making like 700 700 horsepower so say you know it's

700 700 horsepower so say you know it's consuming 70 PBS a minute of air you

consuming 70 PBS a minute of air you would have to overrun that to build any

would have to overrun that to build any kind of positive pressure yeah and it

kind of positive pressure yeah and it but it would stay right at atmosphere

but it would stay right at atmosphere and then at the end of the track when

and then at the end of the track when I'd lift the throttle you know 160 or

I'd lift the throttle you know 160 or something you lift the throttle and stop

something you lift the throttle and stop consuming and now it builts a positive

consuming and now it builts a positive pressure so um you're not going to get

pressure so um you're not going to get like an actual Ram Air effect yeah it

like an actual Ram Air effect yeah it just it would take such a massive amount

just it would take such a massive amount of air but if you can stop if you can

of air but if you can stop if you can maintain atmospheric pressure there

maintain atmospheric pressure there you're winning most cars you have you

you're winning most cars you have you know a turbo some kind of an inlet pipe

know a turbo some kind of an inlet pipe maybe you have a filter maybe you don't

maybe you have a filter maybe you don't yeah you're not going to have atmosphere

yeah you're not going to have atmosphere at the turbo there's going to be a

at the turbo there's going to be a pressure drop through the system right

pressure drop through the system right so uh fixing or minimizing that goes a

so uh fixing or minimizing that goes a long way and it multiplies because that

long way and it multiplies because that determines the pressure ratio of the

determines the pressure ratio of the compressor and so if you're running five

compressor and so if you're running five bar a boost and you can fix that by 10

bar a boost and you can fix that by 10 or 15 kPa it's big so you know when it

or 15 kPa it's big so you know when it comes to designing a turbo system you

comes to designing a turbo system you want as as much air flow as you can get

want as as much air flow as you can get into the turbo do you have to do you

into the turbo do you have to do you recommend running a blowoff valve is

recommend running a blowoff valve is that like a necessity when you have tur

that like a necessity when you have tur it's a safety thing for the turbo um you

it's a safety thing for the turbo um you know it doesn't make power or anything

know it doesn't make power or anything um but when you lift the throttle the

um but when you lift the throttle the turbo's going 100,000 RPM and moving all

turbo's going 100,000 RPM and moving all that air and if it doesn't have a way

that air and if it doesn't have a way somewhere to go then the turbo goes from

somewhere to go then the turbo goes from 100,000 to very slow very quickly so

100,000 to very slow very quickly so it's hard on the compressor wheel it's

it's hard on the compressor wheel it's hard on the shaft

hard on the shaft um the uh the Nismo race cars they don't

um the uh the Nismo race cars they don't run a lot of boost you know they're

run a lot of boost you know they're they're power limited by the sanctioning

they're power limited by the sanctioning bodies they don't run a BL valve but

bodies they don't run a BL valve but they're running you know maybe 10 or 12

they're running you know maybe 10 or 12 pounds of boost it's not a big deal the

pounds of boost it's not a big deal the turbos could take it so now these anti-

turbos could take it so now these anti- surge The anti- Surge that they have on

surge The anti- Surge that they have on turbo that has nothing to do with that

turbo that has nothing to do with that well so the anti- surges in the event of

well so the anti- surges in the event of surge it's not intended for not using a

surge it's not intended for not using a blowoff valve it's intended for when

blowoff valve it's intended for when you're looking at a compressor

you're looking at a compressor if you're on on the top left side of it

if you're on on the top left side of it you're in Surge it takes a really big

you're in Surge it takes a really big turbo and a pretty small motor to be

turbo and a pretty small motor to be able to get in that situation which we

able to get in that situation which we we've gotten to on these yeah and in

we've gotten to on these yeah and in that event the turbo's trying to put out

that event the turbo's trying to put out more more air than the engine could take

more more air than the engine could take and it will start to compress Surge and

and it will start to compress Surge and those slots air comes back forward

those slots air comes back forward through those now in a lot of the the

through those now in a lot of the the kind of I don't want to say cheater

kind of I don't want to say cheater turbos but the drag specific turbos

turbos but the drag specific turbos where they're they know you're not going

where they're they know you're not going to be in Surge they'll design those

to be in Surge they'll design those ports to where they're they'll get a

ports to where they're they'll get a little more air into the compressor

little more air into the compressor wheel so it doesn't it it hurts the

wheel so it doesn't it it hurts the efficiency but it increases the air flow

efficiency but it increases the air flow capability a little bit so in the end

capability a little bit so in the end when it's a purpose-built thing and you

when it's a purpose-built thing and you go okay I can hurt the efficiency here

go okay I can hurt the efficiency here but I pick up 5 pounds per minute it's

but I pick up 5 pounds per minute it's still worth doing right right right I've

still worth doing right right right I've always wondered that these are kind of

always wondered that these are kind of things I figured I kind of saved them I

things I figured I kind of saved them I was like let me ask let me ask Tony I

was like let me ask let me ask Tony I know he definitely would know for sure

know he definitely would know for sure um so with the with the V10 um I was

um so with the with the V10 um I was talking to one of your employees and he

talking to one of your employees and he was saying that you guys are making I

was saying that you guys are making I mean everybody's making big Power on

mean everybody's making big Power on these cars right so what are some of the

these cars right so what are some of the things that we're going to be looking

things that we're going to be looking forward to seeing um with with the V10

forward to seeing um with with the V10 from T1 you know it's because they make

from T1 you know it's because they make Power yeah it's and it's been baby steps

Power yeah it's and it's been baby steps and so I approached this platform

and so I approached this platform different than the GTR okay and that if

different than the GTR okay and that if it's not broke we're not going to

it's not broke we're not going to replace it right other than Pistons rods

replace it right other than Pistons rods Springs you know the the the known and

Springs you know the the the known and um we started I started my car with uh

um we started I started my car with uh initially my car had just an AMS Alpha

initially my car had just an AMS Alpha 12 turbo kit and um

12 turbo kit and um I had no intention of it turning into

I had no intention of it turning into what it did yeah but we went to uh g42

what it did yeah but we went to uh g42 1200s which I'm like you know these are

1200s which I'm like you know these are Big I hadn't I didn't have any

Big I hadn't I didn't have any experience with that kind of power level

experience with that kind of power level on this platform yet so start there

on this platform yet so start there those worked well Max those out like all

those worked well Max those out like all right well let's go up to the 1450s now

right well let's go up to the 1450s now we're on G 45s and it's the same as the

we're on G 45s and it's the same as the GTR stuff I mean yeah we could have just

GTR stuff I mean yeah we could have just jumped all the way in h but I don't know

jumped all the way in h but I don't know what we would have missed in the middle

what we would have missed in the middle there yeah and you know it's it's how

there yeah and you know it's it's how you normally go and you just slowly

you normally go and you just slowly progress and I think you get the better

progress and I think you get the better results yeah in the end that way so are

results yeah in the end that way so are we going to see aside from your car any

we going to see aside from your car any like customer cars that you have in the

like customer cars that you have in the lineup for for this coming year maybe at

lineup for for this coming year maybe at FL 2K or World Cup

FL 2K or World Cup yeah I don't know exactly who else

yeah I don't know exactly who else coming to World Cup but we'll have uh at

coming to World Cup but we'll have uh at least a few v10s we've got uh Ricky's

least a few v10s we've got uh Ricky's the green one his his is kind of you

the green one his his is kind of you know followed in the footsteps of what

know followed in the footsteps of what mine did so uh I think he's gone went

mine did so uh I think he's gone went 743 I think uh with Amy driving it and

743 I think uh with Amy driving it and then I think Ricky's gone like 751 or

then I think Ricky's gone like 751 or something so far so I mean it's it's

something so far so I mean it's it's right there that's wild so what what

right there that's wild so what what does it cost to to build a let's say a

does it cost to to build a let's say a V10 from T1 at that level say 2500

V10 from T1 at that level say 2500 horsepower oh like what's the entry how

horsepower oh like what's the entry how do you like what's the like let's say if

do you like what's the like let's say if I want to have a T1 built car how much

I want to have a T1 built car how much does it cost well you could do I mean

does it cost well you could do I mean you could start with uh stock fuel

you could start with uh stock fuel system stock clutch basic turbo setup

system stock clutch basic turbo setup you know 850 or so you you be fuel

you know 850 or so you you be fuel system Limited at that point mhm um you

system Limited at that point mhm um you can get in that for 50 Grand or so okay

can get in that for 50 Grand or so okay now uh fuel system is going to be the

now uh fuel system is going to be the first limitation you upgrade the fuel

first limitation you upgrade the fuel system now the clutch is an X limitation

system now the clutch is an X limitation uh we usually go to 1150 or so on a

uh we usually go to 1150 or so on a stock clutch with a TCM flash to get

stock clutch with a TCM flash to get more clutch pressure for it to hold and

more clutch pressure for it to hold and then um then there's the transmission

then um then there's the transmission right do you just upgrade the clutch to

right do you just upgrade the clutch to the the what you need to hold the torque

the the what you need to hold the torque that it'll make yeah do go ahead and do

that it'll make yeah do go ahead and do a gear set you know it could go from

a gear set you know it could go from $88,000 to

$88,000 to $65,000 for the trans yeah so that's

$65,000 for the trans yeah so that's that's a huge variable that now are you

that's a huge variable that now are you going to drag race it do you need axle

going to drag race it do you need axle upgrades do you need a diff do you need

upgrades do you need a diff do you need the diff stubs so um a in the like the

the diff stubs so um a in the like the 1,200 to 1500 horsepower range there

1,200 to 1500 horsepower range there could be a like an $80,000 difference in

could be a like an $80,000 difference in the bill depending on how much you build

the bill depending on how much you build it right right and so the stock trends

it right right and so the stock trends we had we had a race where it was tx2k a

we had we had a race where it was tx2k a couple years ago where uh Billy won

couple years ago where uh Billy won first and Ricky won second in the green

first and Ricky won second in the green right right uh Ricky went uh 217 I think

right right uh Ricky went uh 217 I think at that event that was on a completely

at that event that was on a completely stocked gearbox W with just a clutch his

stocked gearbox W with just a clutch his built one had an issue couldn't get it

built one had an issue couldn't get it back in time and so we had a stock gear

back in time and so we had a stock gear box said send it so they can do a lot

box said send it so they can do a lot it's not going to do it that many times

it's not going to do it that many times though what so that's the variable like

though what so that's the variable like do I go ahead and build it all now and

do I go ahead and build it all now and just be with that right or do I see how

just be with that right or do I see how far you know and it might go the whole

far you know and it might go the whole time you own the car and you sell it and

time you own the car and you sell it and you save $60,000 but it's going to break

you save $60,000 but it's going to break for somebody right so do you see a lot

for somebody right so do you see a lot you still you still see a lot of GTRs

you still you still see a lot of GTRs coming in

coming in or um the last two big GTR builds we had

or um the last two big GTR builds we had were both uh what I consider like a

were both uh what I consider like a perfect street car they were newer nmos

perfect street car they were newer nmos uh like, 1600 horsepower I mean a really

uh like, 1600 horsepower I mean a really really nice builds and that's that's

really nice builds and that's that's kind of the GTR stuff that's still

kind of the GTR stuff that's still coming in M the people that wanted to

coming in M the people that wanted to build a race GTR by this point have

build a race GTR by this point have already done it yeah so you know we

already done it yeah so you know we still have a bunch of race horse that we

still have a bunch of race horse that we maintain and update so we get even if

maintain and update so we get even if there's no GTRs coming in we always have

there's no GTRs coming in we always have GTR work to do every time we go to race

GTR work to do every time we go to race you know I've

you know I've got three or four of them that just live

got three or four of them that just live here at this point right and so in

here at this point right and so in between races they're getting whatever

between races they're getting whatever updates they need whatever maintenance

updates they need whatever maintenance they need so there's there's still

they need so there's there's still plenty of that GTO work but actual new

plenty of that GTO work but actual new builds coming in where do that much we

builds coming in where do that much we don't do I don't do any stock ECU stuff

don't do I don't do any stock ECU stuff everything's motch and so it's more race

everything's motch and so it's more race level builds that we're doing so even

level builds that we're doing so even even at the entry level it it'd be

even at the entry level it it'd be running a motch yeah technically so you

running a motch yeah technically so you have $50,000 and yeah and it's not

have $50,000 and yeah and it's not necessarily that you need a motch for

necessarily that you need a motch for that but I don't do any stock EC tuning

that but I don't do any stock EC tuning I have no interest in it um I could make

I have no interest in it um I could make the motch work better than I can make

the motch work better than I can make any stock EC work for either one of

any stock EC work for either one of these platforms um and I when you when

these platforms um and I when you when you know how good something can be yeah

you know how good something can be yeah and you're limited by something which I

and you're limited by something which I mean it only comes down to money right

mean it only comes down to money right right because the motch can go in there

right because the motch can go in there so if you're trying to save some money

so if you're trying to save some money and do that I'm not interested in doing

and do that I'm not interested in doing it interesting 50k so 50k and that's

it interesting 50k so 50k and that's just for the v10s not not for not for

just for the v10s not not for not for GTRs yeah GTRs you know you can go

GTRs yeah GTRs you know you can go really far with a V10 without going into

really far with a V10 without going into the motor trans okay the GTR if you know

the motor trans okay the GTR if you know if you want to lean on the motor you can

if you want to lean on the motor you can I don't really like doing that but I

I don't really like doing that but I mean you're still talking like maybe 750

mean you're still talking like maybe 750 8800 is kind of where I call it

8800 is kind of where I call it comfortable yeah versus uh on a B10 with

comfortable yeah versus uh on a B10 with our turbo kit and our setup I'm

our turbo kit and our setup I'm comfortable with it leaving at you know

comfortable with it leaving at you know 1450 1500 MH which blew my mind

1450 1500 MH which blew my mind originally right because we didn't know

originally right because we didn't know when I started getting into these we

when I started getting into these we didn't know how far we could go and it

didn't know how far we could go and it takes you know you have 15 cars out

takes you know you have 15 cars out there making 1,200 and somebody's like

there making 1,200 and somebody's like can we make more and you're like I mean

can we make more and you're like I mean probably right because none of these are

probably right because none of these are broken and so you just slowly go more

broken and so you just slowly go more and more and more um and with where we

and more and more um and with where we landed now we look back and go okay it's

landed now we look back and go okay it's really about torque right and it's

really about torque right and it's really about torque per Rod when when

really about torque per Rod when when we're talking about rods breaking yeah a

we're talking about rods breaking yeah a Lambo at at 1500 horsepower is making

Lambo at at 1500 horsepower is making about the same amount of torque per Rod

about the same amount of torque per Rod as a GTR at

as a GTR at 800 so you've got more rods and it revs

800 so you've got more rods and it revs higher so if you can carry that torque

higher so if you can carry that torque to high RPM you can make a lot more

to high RPM you can make a lot more horsepower so so as crazy as it seems

horsepower so so as crazy as it seems when you go back it's like huh it's

when you go back it's like huh it's actually it's actually not that

actually it's actually not that surprising yeah for a GTR entry what is

surprising yeah for a GTR entry what is that 50 is still 50k for that or it's

that 50 is still 50k for that or it's more money no I mean most people are

more money no I mean most people are building the engine on a GTR at this

building the engine on a GTR at this point because if they're going to come

point because if they're going to come into it they're going to build the

into it they're going to build the engine so yeah you're gon to if you said

engine so yeah you're gon to if you said I want

I want 800 you could probably get there at a

800 you could probably get there at a similar price point between the two

similar price point between the two platforms if you wanted um 1,00 it's

platforms if you wanted um 1,00 it's going to cost you more for a GTR okay

going to cost you more for a GTR okay and are you working on any other

and are you working on any other platforms that are that you're looking

platforms that are that you're looking for to make high horsepower with just

for to make high horsepower with just besides just these right now

besides just these right now uh we actually had a a meeting with

uh we actually had a a meeting with botch yesterday they've got there's a

botch yesterday they've got there's a bunch of new stuff in the works and uh

bunch of new stuff in the works and uh all the new cars not all a lot of the

all the new cars not all a lot of the new supercars are they're going to be

new supercars are they're going to be hybrids right so that makes things more

hybrids right so that makes things more difficult from a modification standpoint

difficult from a modification standpoint so with the new platform that motch has

so with the new platform that motch has coming um having a plug-and-play ECU kit

coming um having a plug-and-play ECU kit for a hybrid like you know some of the

for a hybrid like you know some of the newer Lamborghini stuff uh that's going

newer Lamborghini stuff uh that's going to be the diff anybody out there build a

to be the diff anybody out there build a nice Turbo System uh you can build a

nice Turbo System uh you can build a fuel system making it work right from

fuel system making it work right from the from the tuning standpoint that's

the from the tuning standpoint that's the difficult part and so once motch

the difficult part and so once motch comes in and there's a plug andplay

comes in and there's a plug andplay option now it's an open book so how many

option now it's an open book so how many more years do you think we have with

more years do you think we have with just uh I guess mechanical be versus the

just uh I guess mechanical be versus the EV stuff that we're as far as new cars

EV stuff that we're as far as new cars go not much like five maybe five

go not much like five maybe five years cuz he said I mean it's going to

years cuz he said I mean it's going to be both right but when it comes to like

be both right but when it comes to like a a high-end car that we want to modify

a a high-end car that we want to modify I think more and more of them are are

I think more and more of them are are going that way so I I won't be at all

going that way so I I won't be at all surprised if the new GTR is a hybrid so

surprised if the new GTR is a hybrid so they've got the M1 is the current ECU

they've got the M1 is the current ECU platform that we use right which is now

platform that we use right which is now more than 10 years old believe it or not

more than 10 years old believe it or not and it's still you like the gold box the

and it's still you like the gold box the m800 was leading the industry when it

m800 was leading the industry when it was even the m800 was dos software when

was even the m800 was dos software when it was released yeah so there's stuff it

it was released yeah so there's stuff it takes a while to come out but when it

takes a while to come out but when it comes out it's really good and stays you

comes out it's really good and stays you know it stays at the Forefront so the

know it stays at the Forefront so the new the new platform that's coming out

new the new platform that's coming out uh

uh is it's night and day better than what

is it's night and day better than what the M1 is capability wise processing

the M1 is capability wise processing wise input output uh communication wise

wise input output uh communication wise you know talking to these new cars with

you know talking to these new cars with different types of canb streams and

different types of canb streams and whatnot yeah um and so it's going to

whatnot yeah um and so it's going to open the door

open the door to to almost be able to do anything you

to to almost be able to do anything you know as far now it's going to take a lot

know as far now it's going to take a lot of engineering to to reverse engineer a

of engineering to to reverse engineer a car and and make a conversion kit or you

car and and make a conversion kit or you know an adapter kit but they have the

know an adapter kit but they have the engineering ability to do it and so if

engineering ability to do it and so if it's something you know that they see

it's something you know that they see enough sales potential for then right

enough sales potential for then right then it's it's possible and this is

then it's it's possible and this is going to shift over even for the newer

going to shift over even for the newer stuff like the the newer cars like maybe

stuff like the the newer cars like maybe if the GTR does come out with a hybrid

if the GTR does come out with a hybrid version or EV still be functional with

version or EV still be functional with that if the next GTR comes out and it's

that if the next GTR comes out and it's modifiable uh for sure it'll be a motch

modifiable uh for sure it'll be a motch motch will tackle that project cuz you

motch will tackle that project cuz you guys are going to so you guys are going

guys are going to so you guys are going to work with the GTRs even if they are

to work with the GTRs even if they are EV or whatever the new situation is most

EV or whatever the new situation is most likely yeah right I mean even if you

likely yeah right I mean even if you can't do anything to it right you can

can't do anything to it right you can put wheels on it put suspension on it I

put wheels on it put suspension on it I mean you know we've got such so much GTR

mean you know we've got such so much GTR clientele that they're going to want it

clientele that they're going to want it so yeah do you ever worry about how

so yeah do you ever worry about how that's going to be in the future though

that's going to be in the future though like maybe the

like maybe the next I would say let's say 10 years

next I would say let's say 10 years because five years is I don't you'll

because five years is I don't you'll still have customers coming in that

still have customers coming in that obviously will have v10s and maybe even

obviously will have v10s and maybe even some GTRs but what about 10 years from

some GTRs but what about 10 years from now when things shift over to EV do you

now when things shift over to EV do you ever worry about I do how that's going

ever worry about I do how that's going to affect your business yeah for sure um

to affect your business yeah for sure um you know there's two sides to that uh

you know there's two sides to that uh there's already people kind of doing

there's already people kind of doing some EV conversions right taking S2000

some EV conversions right taking S2000 and make it electric yeah and you know

and make it electric yeah and you know you can't argue with the performance of

you can't argue with the performance of a of a fast EV you know look at the

a of a fast EV you know look at the rimac and the Plaid the the new uh

rimac and the Plaid the the new uh they're fast I mean porsa has been

they're fast I mean porsa has been making Fast Cars for forever and their

making Fast Cars for forever and their highest horsepower and fastest car is

highest horsepower and fastest car is their electric car so you know the the

their electric car so you know the the potential is there and you know maybe

potential is there and you know maybe instead of I don't know that you're

instead of I don't know that you're going to modify a stock car and get

going to modify a stock car and get anything out of it yeah but there will

anything out of it yeah but there will be more and more I think uh

be more and more I think uh opportunities to convert cars or maybe

opportunities to convert cars or maybe make a rear wheel drive car all-wheel

make a rear wheel drive car all-wheel drive with a electric front drive so

drive with a electric front drive so there's always going to be something to

there's always going to be something to do but just I don't know what it'll be

do but just I don't know what it'll be 10 years from now yeah but you you'll

10 years from now yeah but you you'll always be involved basically that you're

always be involved basically that you're you'll always be tapped into what's

you'll always be tapped into what's coming out probably ahead of time

coming out probably ahead of time honestly if you're already working on

honestly if you're already working on some motc stuff you might already know

some motc stuff you might already know something that we don't we I mean we try

something that we don't we I mean we try to stay ahead yeah all right well um I

to stay ahead yeah all right well um I do want to say I am super grateful that

do want to say I am super grateful that you know I'm able to do this um I never

you know I'm able to do this um I never thought I'd be able to interview Tony T1

thought I'd be able to interview Tony T1 it's kind of crazy coming from

it's kind of crazy coming from interviewing pretty much locals you know

interviewing pretty much locals you know Street Racers to now being here so I'm

Street Racers to now being here so I'm pretty uh I appreciate the fact that you

pretty uh I appreciate the fact that you let this happen so I'm glad you came out

let this happen so I'm glad you came out man appreciate um appreciate your time

man appreciate um appreciate your time also I know it's been kind of tough you

also I know it's been kind of tough you were busy you were on vacation you had

were busy you were on vacation you had things going on so uh huge shout out to

things going on so uh huge shout out to Dave as well because Dave is the one who

Dave as well because Dave is the one who put me in contact with you um so yeah

put me in contact with you um so yeah thank you thank you so much man uh if

thank you thank you so much man uh if you could let the viewers know where to

you could let the viewers know where to find you social media website and so on

find you social media website and so on yep we're on uh Facebook and Instagram

yep we're on uh Facebook and Instagram uh we don't do the Tik Tok thing so we

uh we don't do the Tik Tok thing so we won't see you won't see Tony dancing in

won't see you won't see Tony dancing in front of GTR it's not gonna happen uh T1

front of GTR it's not gonna happen uh T1 race on uh Instagram and uh Facebook and

race on uh Instagram and uh Facebook and the websites T1 R development.com okay

the websites T1 R development.com okay all right well thanks again thank you so

all right well thanks again thank you so much man I appreciate it so much guys

much man I appreciate it so much guys make sure if you guys are listening and

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