mentioned before um that people were scared to run the 1000s right a pretty
scared to run the 1000s right a pretty big I don't want to say misconception it
big I don't want to say misconception it could be but is is that like if you run
could be but is is that like if you run a injector that's too big you can have
a injector that's too big you can have idling issues is that true it is
idling issues is that true it is eventually yeah okay at what point the
eventually yeah okay at what point the the th well it matters what fuel you're
the th well it matters what fuel you're using right because as you run ethanol
using right because as you run ethanol or methanol the fuel volume increases
or methanol the fuel volume increases and so if you were to look at um what we
and so if you were to look at um what we could call like a daph of an ejector
could call like a daph of an ejector right so Flow versus pulse width when it
right so Flow versus pulse width when it gets down on the end at very low pulse
gets down on the end at very low pulse widths the flow starts to get nonlinear
widths the flow starts to get nonlinear and it gets funky okay and so if your
and it gets funky okay and so if your idle fuel requirements are high enough
idle fuel requirements are high enough up you know if you're using 20
up you know if you're using 20 microliters of fuel at idle on a small
microliters of fuel at idle on a small injector you're well into the linear
injector you're well into the linear range so everything's going to work
range so everything's going to work exactly as it should okay so as you get
exactly as it should okay so as you get bigger and bigger and the engine gets
bigger and bigger and the engine gets smaller and smaller and the fuel volume
smaller and smaller and the fuel volume requirements go down uh that gets harder
requirements go down uh that gets harder and harder so like the 1700s on some
and harder so like the 1700s on some cars they won't idle happily at sto um
cars they won't idle happily at sto um the 2600 same deal it's not going to
the 2600 same deal it's not going to idle at at sto but the other thing is by
idle at at sto but the other thing is by the time you you need an injector that
the time you you need an injector that big you probably have bigger cams than
big you probably have bigger cams than stock and it's not even if you had stock
stock and it's not even if you had stock injectors in there it wouldn't idle
injectors in there it wouldn't idle happily at sto right so you've got
happily at sto right so you've got multiple things going on but yeah as it
multiple things going on but yeah as it goes bigger it gets harder and harder
goes bigger it gets harder and harder for to to keep a good Idol and the other
for to to keep a good Idol and the other part you know how well the injectors are
part you know how well the injectors are matched it's easy to match them in the
matched it's easy to match them in the linear range or static flow rate but
linear range or static flow rate but getting a tight match down low is very
getting a tight match down low is very difficult because it's it's not it's not
difficult because it's it's not it's not linear so you've got all this nastiness
linear so you've got all this nastiness going on down there and so when you're
going on down there and so when you're looking at Raw data it's like you know I
looking at Raw data it's like you know I want these four to be the same but
want these four to be the same but nothing nothing jives yeah um Paul
nothing nothing jives yeah um Paul actually like over the last week we're
actually like over the last week we're about to release an ID 1750 to replace a
about to release an ID 1750 to replace a 1700 okay and in all the testing of that
1700 okay and in all the testing of that he found a new process that has worked
he found a new process that has worked really well for significantly better
really well for significantly better matching down low at idol so oh wow
matching down low at idol so oh wow there's a good chance the 1750s will
there's a good chance the 1750s will idle better than the 1700 did only
idle better than the 1700 did only because they're better matched right
because they're better matched right down there now can you can you kind of
down there now can you can you kind of maybe set the injector dead times to got
maybe set the injector dead times to got get a better idle uh the dead time is
get a better idle uh the dead time is what it is it's not a tunable parameter
what it is it's not a tunable parameter okay um you can adjust it but if you
okay um you can adjust it but if you change it from what it's supposed to be
change it from what it's supposed to be it doesn't fix anything so if you were
it doesn't fix anything so if you were to say it idle if you were to just
to say it idle if you were to just change the dead time a little bit yeah
change the dead time a little bit yeah uh it'll get richer or leaner by some
uh it'll get richer or leaner by some amount depending how much you change it
amount depending how much you change it now it's going to throw off the
now it's going to throw off the compensations where say the air temp
compensations where say the air temp wants to make a 5% change in Lambda if
wants to make a 5% change in Lambda if the offset's wrong you don't get five
the offset's wrong you don't get five you might get two you might get eight
you might get two you might get eight might get 20 depending on how far it's
might get 20 depending on how far it's off and so that's why it's important
off and so that's why it's important that the offsets are right now depending
that the offsets are right now depending on which direction you went with that
on which direction you went with that offset it'll either get richer or leaner
offset it'll either get richer or leaner so if that helps the idle then you know
so if that helps the idle then you know which direction you need to go but
which direction you need to go but that's not how you do it you do it by
that's not how you do it you do it by with whether it's your mass airflow
with whether it's your mass airflow curve or your V table you know depending
curve or your V table you know depending on what car it is got you so you can get
on what car it is got you so you can get there one way or another okay okay all
there one way or another okay okay all right I was always curious about that so
right I was always curious about that so now E85 right with these injectors all
now E85 right with these injectors all these injectors that you guys offer
these injectors that you guys offer you're able to run E85 full E85 any type
you're able to run E85 full E85 any type of ethanol right other companies that
of ethanol right other companies that have injectors those are pretty much
have injectors those are pretty much what you guys were using before yeah so
what you guys were using before yeah so what are we still talking about the big
what are we still talking about the big big stuff well I guess overall cuz
big stuff well I guess overall cuz obviously you guys stopped selling the
obviously you guys stopped selling the 2000s but you said there's probably I'm
2000s but you said there's probably I'm sure there's people still using them
sure there's people still using them yeah there's still Lots out there they
yeah there's still Lots out there they were in the same boat that are that we
were in the same boat that are that we were you were right right they need them
were you were right right they need them and they're out there so they're not
and they're out there so they're not going to not sell them so no matter what
going to not sell them so no matter what it's pretty much recommend that you you
it's pretty much recommend that you you don't use 85 with the 2000s across the
don't use 85 with the 2000s across the board whether it's your company or the
board whether it's your company or the the biggest problem with ethanol with
the biggest problem with ethanol with that injector is there there's internal
that injector is there there's internal components that can rust right since
components that can rust right since ethanol will absorb water from the air
ethanol will absorb water from the air uh if it's in a wet environment human
uh if it's in a wet environment human environment uh if they sit mhm they'll
environment uh if they sit mhm they'll rust once they're rusted they're trash
rust once they're rusted they're trash um the other part you know back to the
um the other part you know back to the that flat face R valve yeah uh there are
that flat face R valve yeah uh there are chemical reactions and so they're not
chemical reactions and so they're not compatible with mtbe so uh that was that
compatible with mtbe so uh that was that was an interesting one to learn the
was an interesting one to learn the first car I tuned on
first car I tuned on q16 uh which has uh pretty high mtbe
q16 uh which has uh pretty high mtbe content compared to other G race gases
content compared to other G race gases um it was on a it was on a Civic with an
um it was on a it was on a Civic with an old am with very little data but I was
old am with very little data but I was like this thing doesn't seem right and
like this thing doesn't seem right and the longer I tune it the leaner I kept
the longer I tune it the leaner I kept getting and I'm like what the hell is
getting and I'm like what the hell is going on eventually everything seemed to
going on eventually everything seemed to to normalize and so I'm like all right
to normalize and so I'm like all right so sent the car and uh they kept racing
so sent the car and uh they kept racing it and raced it all year everything was
it and raced it all year everything was fine it only ever saw q16 that valve
fine it only ever saw q16 that valve face swells a little bit and it
face swells a little bit and it stabilizes at some point and so it
stabilizes at some point and so it swelling is the same as reducing valve
swelling is the same as reducing valve lift and so we later did enough testing
lift and so we later did enough testing to find on q16 that injector goes from
to find on q16 that injector goes from about 2200 CC to, 1400cc
about 2200 CC to, 1400cc what what that's we're like oh okay so
what what that's we're like oh okay so let's not use it with q16 VP import uh
let's not use it with q16 VP import uh nitromethane is in good form so there's
nitromethane is in good form so there's there are chemical compatibility issues
there are chemical compatibility issues with that valve your this is all at like
with that valve your this is all at like 40 PSI uh base fuel pressure depends on
40 PSI uh base fuel pressure depends on the car okay so so uh generally speaking
the car okay so so uh generally speaking as fuel pressure goes up fuel pump flow
as fuel pressure goes up fuel pump flow goes down right so say you've got a car
goes down right so say you've got a car that you're your your your fuel pressure
that you're your your your fuel pressure is falling but your duty cycle at you
is falling but your duty cycle at you know 50 50% so you've got enough
know 50 50% so you've got enough injector to lower the fuel pressure and
injector to lower the fuel pressure and just use more injector right well doing
just use more injector right well doing lowering the fuel pressure is going to
lowering the fuel pressure is going to increase the output from the fuel pump
increase the output from the fuel pump so sometimes you you can make something
so sometimes you you can make something work that way yeah now our new brushless
work that way yeah now our new brushless pump has the same output regardless of
pump has the same output regardless of pressure so you know when we say we're
pressure so you know when we say we're our single brushless pump will make
our single brushless pump will make 2,000 horsepower on ethanol period
2,000 horsepower on ethanol period doesn't matter as long as pressure is
doesn't matter as long as pressure is below 150 psi and long as long as
below 150 psi and long as long as voltage is over 8 volts okay so the way
voltage is over 8 volts okay so the way the controller works is it maintains uh
the controller works is it maintains uh a set output regardless of of conditions
a set output regardless of of conditions so normally pressure goes up the pump's
so normally pressure goes up the pump's going to slow down and that's why the
going to slow down and that's why the output goes down so pressure goes up our
output goes down so pressure goes up our controller drives it with More Voltage
controller drives it with More Voltage to maintain the pump speed and that
to maintain the pump speed and that happens all the way to 150 and all the
happens all the way to 150 and all the way down to 8 volts and after that it's
way down to 8 volts and after that it's it's out of what what it can supply as
it's out of what what it can supply as far as voltage to the pump right but but
far as voltage to the pump right but but you know if you were to compare it you
you know if you were to compare it you know at the extremes um it could do five
know at the extremes um it could do five or six times what a single one of those
or six times what a single one of those pumps could do uh on a normal brush
pumps could do uh on a normal brush lless controller right so it's been it's
lless controller right so it's been it's been huge we've actually got uh an old
been huge we've actually got uh an old GTR build here right now that back in
GTR build here right now that back in the day was the lambo killer so it's uh
the day was the lambo killer so it's uh 1,600 horsepower it's got uh three wobo
1,600 horsepower it's got uh three wobo pumps with a four hanger and two voltage
pumps with a four hanger and two voltage boosters so we've got two pumps running
boosters so we've got two pumps running at 18 either 18 21 volts and then a
at 18 either 18 21 volts and then a single one running at battery voltage
single one running at battery voltage and it took all that to make 1,600 back
and it took all that to make 1,600 back in the day and now we can do it with a
in the day and now we can do it with a single controller and a single pump and
single controller and a single pump and all this is happening at so at 40 40 PSI
all this is happening at so at 40 40 PSI uh yeah those cars um when walro first
uh yeah those cars um when walro first came out with their ethanol compatible
came out with their ethanol compatible intank pump mhm it had the uh high
intank pump mhm it had the uh high pressure pop off valve on it was it like
pressure pop off valve on it was it like 90 PSI well any of these cars running
90 PSI well any of these cars running any amount of boost they're going to see
any amount of boost they're going to see that and you'd see the fuel pressure
that and you'd see the fuel pressure would come up and then once that valve
would come up and then once that valve opens it's just like a a little ball and
opens it's just like a a little ball and spring you once it opens pressure would
spring you once it opens pressure would drop and it doesn't immediately close
drop and it doesn't immediately close right so that it eventually closes back
right so that it eventually closes back up and it could come back up and it
up and it could come back up and it you'd see this right so then they came
you'd see this right so then they came out with well first we started modifying
out with well first we started modifying those you could drill in and and press
those you could drill in and and press the the set in to increase the spring
the the set in to increase the spring pressure and so that would change the
pressure and so that would change the pressure that it would pop off at then
pressure that it would pop off at then they made a high pressure version of
they made a high pressure version of that but it's still like uh 115 or 120
that but it's still like uh 115 or 120 PSI and you know if you're running 50 or
PSI and you know if you're running 50 or 60 pounds of boost you're gonna get
60 pounds of boost you're gonna get there yeah right so so now you've got to
there yeah right so so now you've got to stay below that so you've got to make
stay below that so you've got to make sure your injectors are big enough to
sure your injectors are big enough to provide the volume you need at the
provide the volume you need at the pressure you can use right as far as the
pressure you can use right as far as the injector goes if the differential
injector goes if the differential pressure goes up flow goes up period so
pressure goes up flow goes up period so uh being that our our controller and
uh being that our our controller and pump can do uh up to 150 psi now we can
pump can do uh up to 150 psi now we can have situations where we use a smaller
have situations where we use a smaller injector and we can run 70 or 80 psi
injector and we can run 70 or 80 psi base fuel pressure and get a lot of the
base fuel pressure and get a lot of the benefits of a smaller injector with uh
benefits of a smaller injector with uh the higher fuel pressure and you know
the higher fuel pressure and you know technically the higher fuel pressure
technically the higher fuel pressure does help a bit with fuel atomization
does help a bit with fuel atomization but in the real world it doesn't I've
but in the real world it doesn't I've never seen it amount to horsepower gains
never seen it amount to horsepower gains so so with higher fuel pressure right
so so with higher fuel pressure right does that increase
does that increase heat uh it would increase a little bit
heat uh it would increase a little bit of heat on the pump the brushed pumps
of heat on the pump the brushed pumps have fuel running through the brushes
have fuel running through the brushes and the motor and all that and they heat
and the motor and all that and they heat up the fuel a lot more than a brushless
up the fuel a lot more than a brushless pump does okay um but in the end it's
pump does okay um but in the end it's not really a factor okay so now this
not really a factor okay so now this controller right that you guys have is
controller right that you guys have is there is that still like pretty much
there is that still like pretty much it's not in testing people have it right
it's not in testing people have it right but is that is that something that you
but is that is that something that you guys are still kind of working on and
guys are still kind of working on and and figuring things out with or no it's
and figuring things out with or no it's pretty much a set it's pretty pricey too
pretty much a set it's pretty pricey too we worked on it for a solid six or seven
we worked on it for a solid six or seven years before we released it what it went
years before we released it what it went it went from an idea to a working
it went from an idea to a working concept forever to eventually now a
concept forever to eventually now a production piece so there's I think
production piece so there's I think we're on serial number 700 or so right
we're on serial number 700 or so right now so there there's there's lot of them
now so there there's there's lot of them out there wow and so now you can just
out there wow and so now you can just run this controller with one pump
run this controller with one pump basically as long as you make I've made
basically as long as you make I've made 2200 at the wheels on ethanol with one
2200 at the wheels on ethanol with one so if you're making less than that
so if you're making less than that you're probably fine with just one damn
you're probably fine with just one damn and then on on the the v10s that are
and then on on the the v10s that are making more will run two of the two of
making more will run two of the two of the brushless pumps same pump mhm with
the brushless pumps same pump mhm with our controller it's good for a little
our controller it's good for a little over 2,000 with the factory R8
over 2,000 with the factory R8 controller it's good for about 700 or so
controller it's good for about 700 or so yeah so that combo we've got 27 to 2900
yeah so that combo we've got 27 to 2900 um and we haven't maxed that out yet
um and we haven't maxed that out yet that's like a big deal man yeah
that's like a big deal man yeah especially with like how fuel used to be
especially with like how fuel used to be us said four four pumps in the tank and
us said four four pumps in the tank and all these other contrations and stuff
all these other contrations and stuff like just to have one controller operate
like just to have one controller operate one pump and make that kind of power is
one pump and make that kind of power is kind of it's kind of crazy and with full
kind of it's kind of crazy and with full speed control so you know you're not
speed control so you know you're not circulating the pump will flow 1100 L
circulating the pump will flow 1100 L per hour yeah but that's only when you
per hour yeah but that's only when you need it right so it'll flow 300 on the
need it right so it'll flow 300 on the minimum mhm and then that same pump on
minimum mhm and then that same pump on the ra controller will go even lower
the ra controller will go even lower than that so you know you've got
than that so you know you've got something capable of close to 3,000
something capable of close to 3,000 horsepower and you're you're circulating
horsepower and you're you're circulating enough for 500 horsepower on ethanol uh
enough for 500 horsepower on ethanol uh at idol yeah versus you know all the
at idol yeah versus you know all the staged pumps you know we got whether the
staged pumps you know we got whether the ECU did it or we have hob switches I
ECU did it or we have hob switches I mean yeah it's the same as the the check
mean yeah it's the same as the the check valves on our map censor line back in
valves on our map censor line back in the day you you do what you got to do
the day you you do what you got to do the technology wasn't there to do
the technology wasn't there to do something better but right it is now
something better but right it is now damn that's impressive man that's cool
damn that's impressive man that's cool that's cool as [ __ ] I'm going to have to
that's cool as [ __ ] I'm going to have to might have to look into that there you
might have to look into that there you go so um at Texas 2K you had one of the
go so um at Texas 2K you had one of the uh the Audi there I think it was a was
uh the Audi there I think it was a was it GT4 yeah that's G my new drag build
it GT4 yeah that's G my new drag build when is that going to when is that going
when is that going to when is that going to be done uh hoping to have it at FL 2K
to be done uh hoping to have it at FL 2K really yep so can you talk about that
really yep so can you talk about that build and what what's uh what's going to
build and what what's uh what's going to be like in that car setup wise so the
be like in that car setup wise so the GT4 it's such a neat car to start from
GT4 it's such a neat car to start from you know it comes with I mean a better
you know it comes with I mean a better cage than I've ever seen in any drag car
cage than I've ever seen in any drag car and uh a proper race seat and I mean
and uh a proper race seat and I mean it's it's a race car from Audi but it's
it's it's a race car from Audi but it's still the R8 um it's rear wheel drive
still the R8 um it's rear wheel drive uh it's a fair amount lighter just
uh it's a fair amount lighter just because it doesn't have the crap you
because it doesn't have the crap you don't need right but the biggest problem
don't need right but the biggest problem with these cars at at their extremes is
with these cars at at their extremes is keeping the wheels down and so you know
keeping the wheels down and so you know the you've got uh engine trans all the
the you've got uh engine trans all the turbo everything's back mhm and so with
turbo everything's back mhm and so with that car I put a fuel cell in the very
that car I put a fuel cell in the very front put the water tank in the very
front put the water tank in the very front and I put the um the turbos up
front and I put the um the turbos up where the side pod radiators normally
where the side pod radiators normally are and then the intercoolers are where
are and then the intercoolers are where the factory gas tank was so all the mass
the factory gas tank was so all the mass is is forward of the engine right so the
is is forward of the engine right so the goal is that um it'll be able to put the
goal is that um it'll be able to put the power down without wheeling and
power down without wheeling and ultimately go faster you know we we've
ultimately go faster you know we we've got wheelie control we can we can
got wheelie control we can we can control the wheelie but at the end of
control the wheelie but at the end of the day if it's going to wheelie and
the day if it's going to wheelie and you're pulling torque out of it to keep
you're pulling torque out of it to keep it not Wheeling yeah you're not going to
it not Wheeling yeah you're not going to go faster unless you get around that
go faster unless you get around that right right so um we can put ballast up
right right so um we can put ballast up front I mean back to the front wheel
front I mean back to the front wheel drive days I've got 150 lbs of ballast
drive days I've got 150 lbs of ballast in the front of that car just to start
in the front of that car just to start out yeah and then you know once once
out yeah and then you know once once it's going and everything's good I'll
it's going and everything's good I'll start pulling it out but I don't want to
start pulling it out but I don't want to start with Wheeling I'd rather start
start with Wheeling I'd rather start with not we we'll work work backwards
with not we we'll work work backwards how much power is that car going to
how much power is that car going to make uh I it it should make over 3,000
make uh I it it should make over 3,000 pretty comfortably I mean it has all the
pretty comfortably I mean it has all the right stuff that car is on methanol it's
right stuff that car is on methanol it's first V10 we've done on methanol okay uh
first V10 we've done on methanol okay uh it has 80 mm turbos it's got a build
it has 80 mm turbos it's got a build block I mean it's got all the right
block I mean it's got all the right stuff so we've done 20 a little over 26
stuff so we've done 20 a little over 26 uh with smaller turbos on ethanol on a
uh with smaller turbos on ethanol on a factory block so I think it'll do it
factory block so I think it'll do it it's not going to need it right off the
it's not going to need it right off the bat but I mean it has the potential to
bat but I mean it has the potential to do everything it needs to do and you're
do everything it needs to do and you're going to go for records it's going to be
going to go for records it's going to be half mile quarter mile car quart quarter
half mile quarter mile car quart quarter mile only qu mile only it's still rear
mile only qu mile only it's still rear wheel drive um on on the drag strip on
wheel drive um on on the drag strip on slicks uh there's not a lot lost
slicks uh there's not a lot lost especially when you have a car like this
especially when you have a car like this it's so light in the front end yeah you
it's so light in the front end yeah you know the the fronts really can't do that
know the the fronts really can't do that much if they're barely touching the
much if they're barely touching the ground um but if I was to do half mile
ground um but if I was to do half mile or uh you know roll racing on a non- pre
or uh you know roll racing on a non- pre surface losing all-wheel drive is way
surface losing all-wheel drive is way too much of a loss so those cars need to
too much of a loss so those cars need to be all-wheel drive I always thought that
be all-wheel drive I always thought that um like the fast fastest cars were wheer
um like the fast fastest cars were wheer Drive they are the fastest cars are drag
Drive they are the fastest cars are drag cars right and they're on they've got
cars right and they're on they've got big slicks and they're on a I mean
big slicks and they're on a I mean you've stood on a racetrack before right
you've stood on a racetrack before right you know that when your shoe sticks to
you know that when your shoe sticks to it it's different than the street yeah
it it's different than the street yeah but when you when it comes to non- pre
but when you when it comes to non- pre surface rear wheel drive won't compare
surface rear wheel drive won't compare to a drive you know eventually you could
to a drive you know eventually you could still have a fast car but you're going
still have a fast car but you're going to have a massive Tire on it right right
to have a massive Tire on it right right and so I mean you can only fit so much
and so I mean you can only fit so much on something like this yeah so yeah so
on something like this yeah so yeah so with the rear wheel drive and O drive if
with the rear wheel drive and O drive if you're rooll racing right I've always
you're rooll racing right I've always when I was younger I don't know who told
when I was younger I don't know who told me this but apparently when you're
me this but apparently when you're racing a car and it's Ola drive against
racing a car and it's Ola drive against a rear wheel drive car um since it's
a rear wheel drive car um since it's since the power has to be distributed
since the power has to be distributed through four wheels um it won't take off
through four wheels um it won't take off as fast as a rear wheel drive car is
as fast as a rear wheel drive car is that true no no difference at all none
that true no no difference at all none at all I mean the the wheels are already
at all I mean the the wheels are already dri it's not like there's slack in the
dri it's not like there's slack in the drive line or something okay right now
drive line or something okay right now what you will see is uh how the car
what you will see is uh how the car takes off right are you using antiag are
takes off right are you using antiag are you brake boosting do on a roll though
you brake boosting do on a roll though only I'm talking about right does it
only I'm talking about right does it have big turbos where you know you floor
have big turbos where you know you floor it it takes a second and a half for the
it it takes a second and a half for the Boost to come up okay versus maybe you
Boost to come up okay versus maybe you got a rear wheel drive drag car with a a
got a rear wheel drive drag car with a a V10 in it that's got you know instant
V10 in it that's got you know instant torque yeah so that's what's going to
torque yeah so that's what's going to determine the hit uh technically if it's
determine the hit uh technically if it's a high horsepower car and say you're
a high horsepower car and say you're going from
going from 60 the the re drive car is not going to
60 the the re drive car is not going to be able to put it all down but if the
be able to put it all down but if the all drive car can now that car's going
all drive car can now that car's going to leave it you know and when it comes
to leave it you know and when it comes to roll racing it's it's an ET race it's
to roll racing it's it's an ET race it's not a mile hour race you know we talk
not a mile hour race you know we talk about the mile hour but it's who gets to
about the mile hour but it's who gets to the Finish Line first yeah and so that's
the Finish Line first yeah and so that's where you know being able to put it all
where you know being able to put it all down as soon as you can as big versus
down as soon as you can as big versus half mile is it's it's just mile hour
half mile is it's it's just mile hour it's not about ET you know you see those
it's not about ET you know you see those car they leave slow yeah you know they
car they leave slow yeah you know they get half track and they're really steam
get half track and they're really steam but yeah the roll race is still it's
but yeah the roll race is still it's still a drag race
still a drag race so even on the street same thing applies
so even on the street same thing applies yeah basically okay that's good to know
yeah basically okay that's good to know I've always wondered that I never got to
I've always wondered that I never got to ask anybody but that was always the
ask anybody but that was always the thing because I always it kind of made
thing because I always it kind of made sense though like if you have to
sense though like if you have to distribute power through I guess more
distribute power through I guess more wheels and it would take longer for the
wheels and it would take longer for the car to pick up but that kind of makes
car to pick up but that kind of makes sense so now with the Audi with the GT4
sense so now with the Audi with the GT4 um you said you're running 80 M 80 mil
um you said you're running 80 M 80 mil turbos y so are these 80 M also they are
turbos y so are these 80 M also they are so when you say 80 mm that that refers
so when you say 80 mm that that refers to the compressor inducer diameter right
to the compressor inducer diameter right so the the biggest part at Inlet of the
so the the biggest part at Inlet of the compressor wheel then you've got the
compressor wheel then you've got the exducer diameter which is the the back
exducer diameter which is the the back side of the wheel and so not all 80mm
side of the wheel and so not all 80mm compressors are the same but for the
compressors are the same but for the most part and that's why there's um the
most part and that's why there's um the turbo rules are usually based around the
turbo rules are usually based around the inducer diameter because that's the
inducer diameter because that's the biggest factor in power uh those are g45
biggest factor in power uh those are g45 Garretts these are g47 so the in Garrett
Garretts these are g47 so the in Garrett PE the 45 and the 47 refers to the
PE the 45 and the 47 refers to the turbine wheel so these are bigger
turbine wheel so these are bigger turbine wheel than those are and for
turbine wheel than those are and for Garrett yeah
Garrett yeah Oh I thought it was a frame like how SI
Oh I thought it was a frame like how SI because every company has their you know
because every company has their you know their thing for size yeah so the
their thing for size yeah so the technically the 40 the 40 g42 and g45
technically the 40 the 40 g42 and g45 can be had in the same frame you know
can be had in the same frame you know you could take the fulls sizee 42 and
you could take the fulls sizee 42 and unbolt it and bolt in a fulls sizee 45
unbolt it and bolt in a fulls sizee 45 the 47 has a little bit bigger
the 47 has a little bit bigger compressor housing um but it's still
compressor housing um but it's still what they call the the large frame turbo
what they call the the large frame turbo yeah um but yeah the the numbers in
yeah um but yeah the the numbers in Garrett speak the the G 3540 42 45 that
Garrett speak the the G 3540 42 45 that all refers to the turbine size right and
all refers to the turbine size right and then the way Garrett does it the next
then the way Garrett does it the next number so the G those are g45 1600s so
number so the G those are g45 1600s so the 1600 is the horsepower it should
the 1600 is the horsepower it should make okay so they keep it simple um you
make okay so they keep it simple um you know there's
know there's g45 uh 1450 I think which is a smaller
g45 uh 1450 I think which is a smaller compressor inducer so that's basically
compressor inducer so that's basically so it has nothing to do with the uh the
so it has nothing to do with the uh the wheel size or anything like that the
wheel size or anything like that the second number technically it it relates
second number technically it it relates to the compressor wheel size but it's
to the compressor wheel size but it's not a measurement got it's a horsepower
not a measurement got it's a horsepower estimation right so is Garrett pretty
estimation right so is Garrett pretty much cuz I know when you like get like a
much cuz I know when you like get like a custom manifold they usually basically
custom manifold they usually basically say it's good for like a g42 or kind of
say it's good for like a g42 or kind of you know Sol the frame size turbo but
you know Sol the frame size turbo but Precision seems to be like just
Precision seems to be like just different like it's every company's they
different like it's every company's they all do it different which is is nice I
all do it different which is is nice I kind of wish it was like more like a
kind of wish it was like more like a like a one like a IND industry standard
like a one like a IND industry standard Precision kind of started this you know
Precision kind of started this you know 6266 thing and and that n clature makes
6266 thing and and that n clature makes a lot of sense to people so uh turbos
a lot of sense to people so uh turbos smart started doing turbos they they did
smart started doing turbos they they did the same thing yeah so that's I'd say
the same thing yeah so that's I'd say that's the most common uh Force
that's the most common uh Force performance in Zona does it um oh they
performance in Zona does it um oh they do uh flow the pound pound pounds per
do uh flow the pound pound pounds per minute yeah so the first part is pounds
minute yeah so the first part is pounds per minute and the second is uh the
per minute and the second is uh the turbine I don't know if it's inducer or
turbine I don't know if it's inducer or exducer so like the 9569 the 90 it's 95
exducer so like the 9569 the 90 it's 95 lb per minute compressor yeah with their
lb per minute compressor yeah with their 69 mil uh turbine wheel so yeah
69 mil uh turbine wheel so yeah everybody does it different but they
everybody does it different but they actually just switched it they're going
actually just switched it they're going to switch their I think one of the one
to switch their I think one of the one of the lines they're going to switch to
of the lines they're going to switch to uh how Precision does because people
uh how Precision does because people were getting confused yeah and they kind
were getting confused yeah and they kind of he said they quickly realize the
of he said they quickly realize the power capabilities of like like if he
power capabilities of like like if he says it's like a 1150 then you think oh
says it's like a 1150 then you think oh you can make 1150 on it but um it's just
you can make 1150 on it but um it's just easier because everyone's kind of like
easier because everyone's kind of like on that same turbos are very complicated
on that same turbos are very complicated and especially when it gets to
and especially when it gets to compressor maps and stuff yeah most
compressor maps and stuff yeah most people don't understand it so the simple
people don't understand it so the simple the more simple you can make it the
the more simple you can make it the better it's going to be for everybody
better it's going to be for everybody and you know as a a normal consumer that
and you know as a a normal consumer that goes to buy a turbo M if they understand
goes to buy a turbo M if they understand it they're a lot more likely to buy your
it they're a lot more likely to buy your product anyway so you know being oh no
product anyway so you know being oh no we're we're more engineering based and
we're we're more engineering based and ours is right there's is
ours is right there's is wrong okay that's that could be cool but
wrong okay that's that could be cool but you're probably losing sales because of
you're probably losing sales because of it no 100% 100% so now when it comes to
it no 100% 100% so now when it comes to just overall like I guess racing and
just overall like I guess racing and obviously you have fast cars been at Tas
obviously you have fast cars been at Tas 2K you've done broke records done
2K you've done broke records done everything do you feel like there's any
everything do you feel like there's any competition out there for you yeah
competition out there for you yeah there's always competition really yeah
there's always competition really yeah look I mean we've held records but but
look I mean we've held records but but nobody nobody keeps a record right
nobody nobody keeps a record right eventually somebody's going to come take
eventually somebody's going to come take it so um yeah there's there's a lot of
it so um yeah there's there's a lot of good competition out there so so you
good competition out there so so you think anybody anybody's gonna be Billy's
think anybody anybody's gonna be Billy's car that's that's a I don't know if
car that's that's a I don't know if anything in the works you know and it's
anything in the works you know and it's funny Billy's car is so much faster than
funny Billy's car is so much faster than most that are doing that um it's the
most that are doing that um it's the only purpose built roll race car we've
only purpose built roll race car we've ever built everybody wants build builds
ever built everybody wants build builds a drrive car and roll RAC it so you know
a drrive car and roll RAC it so you know you're building to some kind of drag
you're building to some kind of drag class rules nobody would build this
class rules nobody would build this combo into a street car and go to drag
combo into a street car and go to drag race because you'd end up racing George
race because you'd end up racing George and it's like okay your car's 800 lbs
and it's like okay your car's 800 lbs heavier like that's not a race yeah so
heavier like that's not a race yeah so in the r race stuff this car is not
in the r race stuff this car is not allowed because it's a race car mhm so
allowed because it's a race car mhm so you know he went he went all the way and
you know he went he went all the way and nobody else has done that yet and you
nobody else has done that yet and you know there's uh ETS has made this kind
know there's uh ETS has made this kind of power MH so I mean there's no reason
of power MH so I mean there's no reason they couldn't build the same thing it's
they couldn't build the same thing it's just it takes a special person like that
just it takes a special person like that wants to do that for for one purpose now
wants to do that for for one purpose now do you count that as like cuz that's
do you count that as like cuz that's technically uh I guess customer car but
technically uh I guess customer car but I guess for you maybe that was I don't
I guess for you maybe that was I don't know if that was more personal when I
know if that was more personal when I asked you the question like if it was
asked you the question like if it was more like competition wise but like
more like competition wise but like obviously it's a customer C do you do
obviously it's a customer C do you do you feel like there's competition
you feel like there's competition anywhere
anywhere else uh in in regard to other cars Roll
else uh in in regard to other cars Roll Racing I mean there hasn't there hasn't
Racing I mean there hasn't there hasn't shown to be yet really why you I mean
shown to be yet really why you I mean there's fast cars right but there's
there's fast cars right but there's nothing that's like oh I think that car
nothing that's like oh I think that car would beat Billy's car yet and what
would beat Billy's car yet and what about um for drag racing um this car
about um for drag racing um this car went uh
went uh 651 probably three years ago or so mhm
651 probably three years ago or so mhm and we spent a couple years playing with
and we spent a couple years playing with it rear wheel drive to see if the uh
it rear wheel drive to see if the uh weight loss outweighed the the traction
weight loss outweighed the the traction loss yeah right so we dropped about 200
loss yeah right so we dropped about 200 lb making it rear wheel drive it was
lb making it rear wheel drive it was still the factory trans so we're still
still the factory trans so we're still dealing with all the G gr6 stuff and um
dealing with all the G gr6 stuff and um we went the 651 with it but it still
we went the 651 with it but it still wasn't as fast half track as we had gone
wasn't as fast half track as we had gone all-wheel drive okay and so we just
all-wheel drive okay and so we just switched it back um end of last year or
switched it back um end of last year or early this year to all-wheel drive and
early this year to all-wheel drive and we don't have that many passes on it
we don't have that many passes on it with all-wheel drive but we've already
with all-wheel drive but we've already bettered the 60 to 130 an eigh mile from
bettered the 60 to 130 an eigh mile from what it was right so I'm confident it's
what it was right so I'm confident it's going to go quicker now at this level
going to go quicker now at this level there nobody else really trying right
there nobody else really trying right now you know ETS was the only other one
now you know ETS was the only other one um and they've I don't know if they sold
um and they've I don't know if they sold the car or what but I don't know who
the car or what but I don't know who else is trying to compete at this level
else is trying to compete at this level right now so there's no competition
right now so there's no competition because nobody else is competing got it
because nobody else is competing got it but you know somebody somebody will do
but you know somebody somebody will do it and I I hope they do it's more fun to
it and I I hope they do it's more fun to race when you're that's the thing
race when you're that's the thing because it's like you're already when
because it's like you're already when you're already there it's like how do
you're already there it's like how do you how do you stay motivated yeah well
you how do you stay motivated yeah well and the other part is with for this
and the other part is with for this carard to run a record it's on kill in
carard to run a record it's on kill in every regard okay right right and so you
every regard okay right right and so you only get so many attempts at that and
only get so many attempts at that and it's not cheap right right so if that's
it's not cheap right right so if that's all I was doing you know that's it's not
all I was doing you know that's it's not my call as long as Jordan wants to do it
my call as long as Jordan wants to do it we'll do it but um if it was my car I
we'll do it but um if it was my car I would probably be looking to do
would probably be looking to do something different but the V10 stuff is
something different but the V10 stuff is new to me uh every time we go out we
new to me uh every time we go out we have the potential to go quite a bit
have the potential to go quite a bit quicker yeah and this car is really
quicker yeah and this car is really exciting to me because it's I mean it's
exciting to me because it's I mean it's all new stuff right so
all new stuff right so yeah that's kind of lit a flame again
yeah that's kind of lit a flame again that's like the new chapter basically
that's like the new chapter basically yeah we we want to see I want to see
yeah we we want to see I want to see that I got to be there for that I'll be
that I got to be there for that I'll be at fl2k so I'm surprised you're even
at fl2k so I'm surprised you're even going I didn't even know you're going to
going I didn't even know you're going to run it there this is this will be our
run it there this is this will be our first fl2k because we've done World Cup
first fl2k because we've done World Cup finals in Maryland for the past handful
finals in Maryland for the past handful of years MH and when we go to a race we
of years MH and when we go to a race we bring you know at WCF usually maybe five
bring you know at WCF usually maybe five six seven cars yeah uh tx2k or FL 2K 10
six seven cars yeah uh tx2k or FL 2K 10 to 12 cars mhm when you bring that that
to 12 cars mhm when you bring that that number of cars we can't do two races 30
number of cars we can't do two races 30 days apart and so that's what it's
days apart and so that's what it's always been and so we went to WCF um not
always been and so we went to WCF um not because we're competitive there because
because we're competitive there because we're not because it's back to the pro
we're not because it's back to the pro tree thing so we're racing cars on a pro
tree thing so we're racing cars on a pro Tre either we go in first and they burn
Tre either we go in first and they burn us down or they go in quick and you're
us down or they go in quick and you're screwed yeah because this car takes
screwed yeah because this car takes close to two seconds on in launch before
close to two seconds on in launch before the Boost is ready for it to leave so if
the Boost is ready for it to leave so if you go in second you only got half a
you go in second you only got half a second so you either go early and bog
second so you either go early and bog and hope he breaks or something
and hope he breaks or something or wait you're boost and hope you can
or wait you're boost and hope you can run down at WCF the cars are fast it's
run down at WCF the cars are fast it's so we went there because it's a good
so we went there because it's a good track the weather's great and the
track the weather's great and the potential to set records which is where
potential to set records which is where that set the record right right um but
that set the record right right um but you know that only that only lasts so
you know that only that only lasts so long people want to race so FL 2K is a
long people want to race so FL 2K is a race for us tx2k so but the heat isn't
race for us tx2k so but the heat isn't going to be an issue you think like you
going to be an issue you think like you won't you won't really see that car's
won't you won't really see that car's full potential in in that kind of
full potential in in that kind of weather right um it it makes a
weather right um it it makes a difference but it's not huge so because
difference but it's not huge so because of the air to water intercoolers mhm
of the air to water intercoolers mhm we're able to get the Air temps that the
we're able to get the Air temps that the engine sees uh roughly the same almost
engine sees uh roughly the same almost no matter what the ambient temp is the
no matter what the ambient temp is the intercooler works really well now what
intercooler works really well now what is different is the compressor
is different is the compressor efficiency changes so it won't make as
efficiency changes so it won't make as much boost so we will see a difference
much boost so we will see a difference there um the 90 PBS of boost is in
there um the 90 PBS of boost is in really good conditions like Mir um in
really good conditions like Mir um in lesser conditions we'll still see over
lesser conditions we'll still see over 80 yeah so I mean it'll still make a lot
80 yeah so I mean it'll still make a lot of power there's nothing you can do when
of power there's nothing you can do when it comes to like I've seen this this uh
it comes to like I've seen this this uh there was one turbo I've seen they had
there was one turbo I've seen they had like a some Port right in front of the
like a some Port right in front of the compressor wheel and it sprayed uh I
compressor wheel and it sprayed uh I don't know if it was nitrous it was
don't know if it was nitrous it was something else I'm not sure what it was
something else I'm not sure what it was you do nitrous you can do water I I
you do nitrous you can do water I I experimented it was water I experimented
experimented it was water I experimented with that a long time ago uh on the
with that a long time ago uh on the Integra I tried ethanol no intercooler
Integra I tried ethanol no intercooler and water injection okay and it was a
and water injection okay and it was a pretty neat deal so the the Mis thing
pretty neat deal so the the Mis thing that I used was uh it was for like an
that I used was uh it was for like an automated painting thing okay so it had
automated painting thing okay so it had this really really fine mist and since
this really really fine mist and since it was before the turbo it didn't need a
it was before the turbo it didn't need a high press pump like a normal methanol
high press pump like a normal methanol injection would where it's spraying into
injection would where it's spraying into a charge pipe yeah and so I had a deal
a charge pipe yeah and so I had a deal where uh it had a chamber that was
where uh it had a chamber that was pressurized by boost pressure that fed
pressurized by boost pressure that fed the the valve and so I put a boost
the the valve and so I put a boost solenoid in line on that so I could
solenoid in line on that so I could control the amount of water flow so I
control the amount of water flow so I could I could pulse that and restrict
could I could pulse that and restrict the Boost to the chamber to get less
the Boost to the chamber to get less water flow and so I had control of the
water flow and so I had control of the water flow through the computer that way
water flow through the computer that way and uh I started with full flow you know
and uh I started with full flow you know everything was was working but the car
everything was was working but the car was down on Power and so I was started
was down on Power and so I was started doing less and less water and the power
doing less and less water and the power kept coming up but the Air temps also
kept coming up but the Air temps also kept coming up and I got to like 250°
kept coming up and I got to like 250° Air temps and I'm like man I'm not I'm
Air temps and I'm like man I'm not I'm not comfortable with this anymore yeah
not comfortable with this anymore yeah so I just put it inter cor on it okay so
so I just put it inter cor on it okay so you kind of allev that yeah but I mean
you kind of allev that yeah but I mean there's there there's potential for
there's there there's potential for things like that for sure yeah I think
things like that for sure yeah I think actually it was it was air I think he
actually it was it was air I think he had air and it was spinning the turbo
had air and it was spinning the turbo faster m sure I'm not sure I think it
faster m sure I'm not sure I think it could work maybe to get it going but at
could work maybe to get it going but at the end of the day I mean you know
the end of the day I mean you know depending on the size of turbo this
depending on the size of turbo this thing will see over 100,000 RPM on the
thing will see over 100,000 RPM on the turbo and you're you're not going to put
turbo and you're you're not going to put air in there fast enough to to speed
air in there fast enough to to speed that up same deal you know like uh Ram
that up same deal you know like uh Ram Air you know a lot of naturally
Air you know a lot of naturally aspirated cars they have you know some
aspirated cars they have you know some kind of vents in the hood or whatever to
kind of vents in the hood or whatever to try to get some positive pressure right
try to get some positive pressure right right so if if roughly 100 kPa is
right so if if roughly 100 kPa is atmospheric pressure um say you took
atmospheric pressure um say you took that car and had it on a trailer and the
that car and had it on a trailer and the engine's off right so it's not consuming
engine's off right so it's not consuming any air and you go fast enough to where
any air and you go fast enough to where positive pressure builds you know in the
positive pressure builds you know in the engine or in the throttle before the
engine or in the throttle before the throttle technically that could be boost
throttle technically that could be boost basically mhm now now you open the
basically mhm now now you open the throttle and the engine starts consuming
throttle and the engine starts consuming all the air that it's consuming now you
all the air that it's consuming now you have to you have to overrun what it's
have to you have to overrun what it's consuming to be able to have any kind of
consuming to be able to have any kind of positive pressure ahead of that so in a
positive pressure ahead of that so in a naturally aspirated car you could you
naturally aspirated car you could you could get there uh I did I did a lot
could get there uh I did I did a lot with this with the Integra and I a
with this with the Integra and I a really nice airbox and it fed through
really nice airbox and it fed through both the headlights and it was sealed to
both the headlights and it was sealed to the turbo and everything and you know at
the turbo and everything and you know at this time it was probably making like
this time it was probably making like 700 700 horsepower so say you know it's
700 700 horsepower so say you know it's consuming 70 PBS a minute of air you
consuming 70 PBS a minute of air you would have to overrun that to build any
would have to overrun that to build any kind of positive pressure yeah and it
kind of positive pressure yeah and it but it would stay right at atmosphere
but it would stay right at atmosphere and then at the end of the track when
and then at the end of the track when I'd lift the throttle you know 160 or
I'd lift the throttle you know 160 or something you lift the throttle and stop
something you lift the throttle and stop consuming and now it builts a positive
consuming and now it builts a positive pressure so um you're not going to get
pressure so um you're not going to get like an actual Ram Air effect yeah it
like an actual Ram Air effect yeah it just it would take such a massive amount
just it would take such a massive amount of air but if you can stop if you can
of air but if you can stop if you can maintain atmospheric pressure there
maintain atmospheric pressure there you're winning most cars you have you
you're winning most cars you have you know a turbo some kind of an inlet pipe
know a turbo some kind of an inlet pipe maybe you have a filter maybe you don't
maybe you have a filter maybe you don't yeah you're not going to have atmosphere
yeah you're not going to have atmosphere at the turbo there's going to be a
at the turbo there's going to be a pressure drop through the system right
pressure drop through the system right so uh fixing or minimizing that goes a
so uh fixing or minimizing that goes a long way and it multiplies because that
long way and it multiplies because that determines the pressure ratio of the
determines the pressure ratio of the compressor and so if you're running five
compressor and so if you're running five bar a boost and you can fix that by 10
bar a boost and you can fix that by 10 or 15 kPa it's big so you know when it
or 15 kPa it's big so you know when it comes to designing a turbo system you
comes to designing a turbo system you want as as much air flow as you can get
want as as much air flow as you can get into the turbo do you have to do you
into the turbo do you have to do you recommend running a blowoff valve is
recommend running a blowoff valve is that like a necessity when you have tur
that like a necessity when you have tur it's a safety thing for the turbo um you
it's a safety thing for the turbo um you know it doesn't make power or anything
know it doesn't make power or anything um but when you lift the throttle the
um but when you lift the throttle the turbo's going 100,000 RPM and moving all
turbo's going 100,000 RPM and moving all that air and if it doesn't have a way
that air and if it doesn't have a way somewhere to go then the turbo goes from
somewhere to go then the turbo goes from 100,000 to very slow very quickly so
100,000 to very slow very quickly so it's hard on the compressor wheel it's
it's hard on the compressor wheel it's hard on the shaft
hard on the shaft um the uh the Nismo race cars they don't
um the uh the Nismo race cars they don't run a lot of boost you know they're
run a lot of boost you know they're they're power limited by the sanctioning
they're power limited by the sanctioning bodies they don't run a BL valve but
bodies they don't run a BL valve but they're running you know maybe 10 or 12
they're running you know maybe 10 or 12 pounds of boost it's not a big deal the
pounds of boost it's not a big deal the turbos could take it so now these anti-
turbos could take it so now these anti- surge The anti- Surge that they have on
surge The anti- Surge that they have on turbo that has nothing to do with that
turbo that has nothing to do with that well so the anti- surges in the event of
well so the anti- surges in the event of surge it's not intended for not using a
surge it's not intended for not using a blowoff valve it's intended for when
blowoff valve it's intended for when you're looking at a compressor
you're looking at a compressor if you're on on the top left side of it
if you're on on the top left side of it you're in Surge it takes a really big
you're in Surge it takes a really big turbo and a pretty small motor to be
turbo and a pretty small motor to be able to get in that situation which we
able to get in that situation which we we've gotten to on these yeah and in
we've gotten to on these yeah and in that event the turbo's trying to put out
that event the turbo's trying to put out more more air than the engine could take
more more air than the engine could take and it will start to compress Surge and
and it will start to compress Surge and those slots air comes back forward
those slots air comes back forward through those now in a lot of the the
through those now in a lot of the the kind of I don't want to say cheater
kind of I don't want to say cheater turbos but the drag specific turbos
turbos but the drag specific turbos where they're they know you're not going
where they're they know you're not going to be in Surge they'll design those
to be in Surge they'll design those ports to where they're they'll get a
ports to where they're they'll get a little more air into the compressor
little more air into the compressor wheel so it doesn't it it hurts the
wheel so it doesn't it it hurts the efficiency but it increases the air flow
efficiency but it increases the air flow capability a little bit so in the end
capability a little bit so in the end when it's a purpose-built thing and you
when it's a purpose-built thing and you go okay I can hurt the efficiency here
go okay I can hurt the efficiency here but I pick up 5 pounds per minute it's
but I pick up 5 pounds per minute it's still worth doing right right right I've
still worth doing right right right I've always wondered that these are kind of
always wondered that these are kind of things I figured I kind of saved them I
things I figured I kind of saved them I was like let me ask let me ask Tony I
was like let me ask let me ask Tony I know he definitely would know for sure
know he definitely would know for sure um so with the with the V10 um I was
um so with the with the V10 um I was talking to one of your employees and he
talking to one of your employees and he was saying that you guys are making I
was saying that you guys are making I mean everybody's making big Power on
mean everybody's making big Power on these cars right so what are some of the
these cars right so what are some of the things that we're going to be looking
things that we're going to be looking forward to seeing um with with the V10
forward to seeing um with with the V10 from T1 you know it's because they make
from T1 you know it's because they make Power yeah it's and it's been baby steps
Power yeah it's and it's been baby steps and so I approached this platform
and so I approached this platform different than the GTR okay and that if
different than the GTR okay and that if it's not broke we're not going to
it's not broke we're not going to replace it right other than Pistons rods
replace it right other than Pistons rods Springs you know the the the known and
Springs you know the the the known and um we started I started my car with uh
um we started I started my car with uh initially my car had just an AMS Alpha
initially my car had just an AMS Alpha 12 turbo kit and um
12 turbo kit and um I had no intention of it turning into
I had no intention of it turning into what it did yeah but we went to uh g42
what it did yeah but we went to uh g42 1200s which I'm like you know these are
1200s which I'm like you know these are Big I hadn't I didn't have any
Big I hadn't I didn't have any experience with that kind of power level
experience with that kind of power level on this platform yet so start there
on this platform yet so start there those worked well Max those out like all
those worked well Max those out like all right well let's go up to the 1450s now
right well let's go up to the 1450s now we're on G 45s and it's the same as the
we're on G 45s and it's the same as the GTR stuff I mean yeah we could have just
GTR stuff I mean yeah we could have just jumped all the way in h but I don't know
jumped all the way in h but I don't know what we would have missed in the middle
what we would have missed in the middle there yeah and you know it's it's how
there yeah and you know it's it's how you normally go and you just slowly
you normally go and you just slowly progress and I think you get the better
progress and I think you get the better results yeah in the end that way so are
results yeah in the end that way so are we going to see aside from your car any
we going to see aside from your car any like customer cars that you have in the
like customer cars that you have in the lineup for for this coming year maybe at
lineup for for this coming year maybe at FL 2K or World Cup
FL 2K or World Cup yeah I don't know exactly who else
yeah I don't know exactly who else coming to World Cup but we'll have uh at
coming to World Cup but we'll have uh at least a few v10s we've got uh Ricky's
least a few v10s we've got uh Ricky's the green one his his is kind of you
the green one his his is kind of you know followed in the footsteps of what
know followed in the footsteps of what mine did so uh I think he's gone went
mine did so uh I think he's gone went 743 I think uh with Amy driving it and
743 I think uh with Amy driving it and then I think Ricky's gone like 751 or
then I think Ricky's gone like 751 or something so far so I mean it's it's
something so far so I mean it's it's right there that's wild so what what
right there that's wild so what what does it cost to to build a let's say a
does it cost to to build a let's say a V10 from T1 at that level say 2500
V10 from T1 at that level say 2500 horsepower oh like what's the entry how
horsepower oh like what's the entry how do you like what's the like let's say if
do you like what's the like let's say if I want to have a T1 built car how much
I want to have a T1 built car how much does it cost well you could do I mean
does it cost well you could do I mean you could start with uh stock fuel
you could start with uh stock fuel system stock clutch basic turbo setup
system stock clutch basic turbo setup you know 850 or so you you be fuel
you know 850 or so you you be fuel system Limited at that point mhm um you
system Limited at that point mhm um you can get in that for 50 Grand or so okay
can get in that for 50 Grand or so okay now uh fuel system is going to be the
now uh fuel system is going to be the first limitation you upgrade the fuel
first limitation you upgrade the fuel system now the clutch is an X limitation
system now the clutch is an X limitation uh we usually go to 1150 or so on a
uh we usually go to 1150 or so on a stock clutch with a TCM flash to get
stock clutch with a TCM flash to get more clutch pressure for it to hold and
more clutch pressure for it to hold and then um then there's the transmission
then um then there's the transmission right do you just upgrade the clutch to
right do you just upgrade the clutch to the the what you need to hold the torque
the the what you need to hold the torque that it'll make yeah do go ahead and do
that it'll make yeah do go ahead and do a gear set you know it could go from
a gear set you know it could go from $88,000 to
$88,000 to $65,000 for the trans yeah so that's
$65,000 for the trans yeah so that's that's a huge variable that now are you
that's a huge variable that now are you going to drag race it do you need axle
going to drag race it do you need axle upgrades do you need a diff do you need
upgrades do you need a diff do you need the diff stubs so um a in the like the
the diff stubs so um a in the like the 1,200 to 1500 horsepower range there
1,200 to 1500 horsepower range there could be a like an $80,000 difference in
could be a like an $80,000 difference in the bill depending on how much you build
the bill depending on how much you build it right right and so the stock trends
it right right and so the stock trends we had we had a race where it was tx2k a
we had we had a race where it was tx2k a couple years ago where uh Billy won
couple years ago where uh Billy won first and Ricky won second in the green
first and Ricky won second in the green right right uh Ricky went uh 217 I think
right right uh Ricky went uh 217 I think at that event that was on a completely
at that event that was on a completely stocked gearbox W with just a clutch his
stocked gearbox W with just a clutch his built one had an issue couldn't get it
built one had an issue couldn't get it back in time and so we had a stock gear
back in time and so we had a stock gear box said send it so they can do a lot
box said send it so they can do a lot it's not going to do it that many times
it's not going to do it that many times though what so that's the variable like
though what so that's the variable like do I go ahead and build it all now and
do I go ahead and build it all now and just be with that right or do I see how
just be with that right or do I see how far you know and it might go the whole
far you know and it might go the whole time you own the car and you sell it and
time you own the car and you sell it and you save $60,000 but it's going to break
you save $60,000 but it's going to break for somebody right so do you see a lot
for somebody right so do you see a lot you still you still see a lot of GTRs
you still you still see a lot of GTRs coming in
coming in or um the last two big GTR builds we had
or um the last two big GTR builds we had were both uh what I consider like a
were both uh what I consider like a perfect street car they were newer nmos
perfect street car they were newer nmos uh like, 1600 horsepower I mean a really
uh like, 1600 horsepower I mean a really really nice builds and that's that's
really nice builds and that's that's kind of the GTR stuff that's still
kind of the GTR stuff that's still coming in M the people that wanted to
coming in M the people that wanted to build a race GTR by this point have
build a race GTR by this point have already done it yeah so you know we
already done it yeah so you know we still have a bunch of race horse that we
still have a bunch of race horse that we maintain and update so we get even if
maintain and update so we get even if there's no GTRs coming in we always have
there's no GTRs coming in we always have GTR work to do every time we go to race
GTR work to do every time we go to race you know I've
you know I've got three or four of them that just live
got three or four of them that just live here at this point right and so in
here at this point right and so in between races they're getting whatever
between races they're getting whatever updates they need whatever maintenance
updates they need whatever maintenance they need so there's there's still
they need so there's there's still plenty of that GTO work but actual new
plenty of that GTO work but actual new builds coming in where do that much we
builds coming in where do that much we don't do I don't do any stock ECU stuff
don't do I don't do any stock ECU stuff everything's motch and so it's more race
everything's motch and so it's more race level builds that we're doing so even
level builds that we're doing so even even at the entry level it it'd be
even at the entry level it it'd be running a motch yeah technically so you
running a motch yeah technically so you have $50,000 and yeah and it's not
have $50,000 and yeah and it's not necessarily that you need a motch for
necessarily that you need a motch for that but I don't do any stock EC tuning
that but I don't do any stock EC tuning I have no interest in it um I could make
I have no interest in it um I could make the motch work better than I can make
the motch work better than I can make any stock EC work for either one of
any stock EC work for either one of these platforms um and I when you when
these platforms um and I when you when you know how good something can be yeah
you know how good something can be yeah and you're limited by something which I
and you're limited by something which I mean it only comes down to money right
mean it only comes down to money right right because the motch can go in there
right because the motch can go in there so if you're trying to save some money
so if you're trying to save some money and do that I'm not interested in doing
and do that I'm not interested in doing it interesting 50k so 50k and that's
it interesting 50k so 50k and that's just for the v10s not not for not for
just for the v10s not not for not for GTRs yeah GTRs you know you can go
GTRs yeah GTRs you know you can go really far with a V10 without going into
really far with a V10 without going into the motor trans okay the GTR if you know
the motor trans okay the GTR if you know if you want to lean on the motor you can
if you want to lean on the motor you can I don't really like doing that but I
I don't really like doing that but I mean you're still talking like maybe 750
mean you're still talking like maybe 750 8800 is kind of where I call it
8800 is kind of where I call it comfortable yeah versus uh on a B10 with
comfortable yeah versus uh on a B10 with our turbo kit and our setup I'm
our turbo kit and our setup I'm comfortable with it leaving at you know
comfortable with it leaving at you know 1450 1500 MH which blew my mind
1450 1500 MH which blew my mind originally right because we didn't know
originally right because we didn't know when I started getting into these we
when I started getting into these we didn't know how far we could go and it
didn't know how far we could go and it takes you know you have 15 cars out
takes you know you have 15 cars out there making 1,200 and somebody's like
there making 1,200 and somebody's like can we make more and you're like I mean
can we make more and you're like I mean probably right because none of these are
probably right because none of these are broken and so you just slowly go more
broken and so you just slowly go more and more and more um and with where we
and more and more um and with where we landed now we look back and go okay it's
landed now we look back and go okay it's really about torque right and it's
really about torque right and it's really about torque per Rod when when
really about torque per Rod when when we're talking about rods breaking yeah a
we're talking about rods breaking yeah a Lambo at at 1500 horsepower is making
Lambo at at 1500 horsepower is making about the same amount of torque per Rod
about the same amount of torque per Rod as a GTR at
as a GTR at 800 so you've got more rods and it revs
800 so you've got more rods and it revs higher so if you can carry that torque
higher so if you can carry that torque to high RPM you can make a lot more
to high RPM you can make a lot more horsepower so so as crazy as it seems
horsepower so so as crazy as it seems when you go back it's like huh it's
when you go back it's like huh it's actually it's actually not that
actually it's actually not that surprising yeah for a GTR entry what is
surprising yeah for a GTR entry what is that 50 is still 50k for that or it's
that 50 is still 50k for that or it's more money no I mean most people are
more money no I mean most people are building the engine on a GTR at this
building the engine on a GTR at this point because if they're going to come
point because if they're going to come into it they're going to build the
into it they're going to build the engine so yeah you're gon to if you said
engine so yeah you're gon to if you said I want
I want 800 you could probably get there at a
800 you could probably get there at a similar price point between the two
similar price point between the two platforms if you wanted um 1,00 it's
platforms if you wanted um 1,00 it's going to cost you more for a GTR okay
going to cost you more for a GTR okay and are you working on any other
and are you working on any other platforms that are that you're looking
platforms that are that you're looking for to make high horsepower with just
for to make high horsepower with just besides just these right now
besides just these right now uh we actually had a a meeting with
uh we actually had a a meeting with botch yesterday they've got there's a
botch yesterday they've got there's a bunch of new stuff in the works and uh
bunch of new stuff in the works and uh all the new cars not all a lot of the
all the new cars not all a lot of the new supercars are they're going to be
new supercars are they're going to be hybrids right so that makes things more
hybrids right so that makes things more difficult from a modification standpoint
difficult from a modification standpoint so with the new platform that motch has
so with the new platform that motch has coming um having a plug-and-play ECU kit
coming um having a plug-and-play ECU kit for a hybrid like you know some of the
for a hybrid like you know some of the newer Lamborghini stuff uh that's going
newer Lamborghini stuff uh that's going to be the diff anybody out there build a
to be the diff anybody out there build a nice Turbo System uh you can build a
nice Turbo System uh you can build a fuel system making it work right from
fuel system making it work right from the from the tuning standpoint that's
the from the tuning standpoint that's the difficult part and so once motch
the difficult part and so once motch comes in and there's a plug andplay
comes in and there's a plug andplay option now it's an open book so how many
option now it's an open book so how many more years do you think we have with
more years do you think we have with just uh I guess mechanical be versus the
just uh I guess mechanical be versus the EV stuff that we're as far as new cars
EV stuff that we're as far as new cars go not much like five maybe five
go not much like five maybe five years cuz he said I mean it's going to
years cuz he said I mean it's going to be both right but when it comes to like
be both right but when it comes to like a a high-end car that we want to modify
a a high-end car that we want to modify I think more and more of them are are
I think more and more of them are are going that way so I I won't be at all
going that way so I I won't be at all surprised if the new GTR is a hybrid so
surprised if the new GTR is a hybrid so they've got the M1 is the current ECU
they've got the M1 is the current ECU platform that we use right which is now
platform that we use right which is now more than 10 years old believe it or not
more than 10 years old believe it or not and it's still you like the gold box the
and it's still you like the gold box the m800 was leading the industry when it
m800 was leading the industry when it was even the m800 was dos software when
was even the m800 was dos software when it was released yeah so there's stuff it
it was released yeah so there's stuff it takes a while to come out but when it
takes a while to come out but when it comes out it's really good and stays you
comes out it's really good and stays you know it stays at the Forefront so the
know it stays at the Forefront so the new the new platform that's coming out
new the new platform that's coming out uh
uh is it's night and day better than what
is it's night and day better than what the M1 is capability wise processing
the M1 is capability wise processing wise input output uh communication wise
wise input output uh communication wise you know talking to these new cars with
you know talking to these new cars with different types of canb streams and
different types of canb streams and whatnot yeah um and so it's going to
whatnot yeah um and so it's going to open the door
open the door to to almost be able to do anything you
to to almost be able to do anything you know as far now it's going to take a lot
know as far now it's going to take a lot of engineering to to reverse engineer a
of engineering to to reverse engineer a car and and make a conversion kit or you
car and and make a conversion kit or you know an adapter kit but they have the
know an adapter kit but they have the engineering ability to do it and so if
engineering ability to do it and so if it's something you know that they see
it's something you know that they see enough sales potential for then right
enough sales potential for then right then it's it's possible and this is
then it's it's possible and this is going to shift over even for the newer
going to shift over even for the newer stuff like the the newer cars like maybe
stuff like the the newer cars like maybe if the GTR does come out with a hybrid
if the GTR does come out with a hybrid version or EV still be functional with
version or EV still be functional with that if the next GTR comes out and it's
that if the next GTR comes out and it's modifiable uh for sure it'll be a motch
modifiable uh for sure it'll be a motch motch will tackle that project cuz you
motch will tackle that project cuz you guys are going to so you guys are going
guys are going to so you guys are going to work with the GTRs even if they are
to work with the GTRs even if they are EV or whatever the new situation is most
EV or whatever the new situation is most likely yeah right I mean even if you
likely yeah right I mean even if you can't do anything to it right you can
can't do anything to it right you can put wheels on it put suspension on it I
put wheels on it put suspension on it I mean you know we've got such so much GTR
mean you know we've got such so much GTR clientele that they're going to want it
clientele that they're going to want it so yeah do you ever worry about how
so yeah do you ever worry about how that's going to be in the future though
that's going to be in the future though like maybe the
like maybe the next I would say let's say 10 years
next I would say let's say 10 years because five years is I don't you'll
because five years is I don't you'll still have customers coming in that
still have customers coming in that obviously will have v10s and maybe even
obviously will have v10s and maybe even some GTRs but what about 10 years from
some GTRs but what about 10 years from now when things shift over to EV do you
now when things shift over to EV do you ever worry about I do how that's going
ever worry about I do how that's going to affect your business yeah for sure um
to affect your business yeah for sure um you know there's two sides to that uh
you know there's two sides to that uh there's already people kind of doing
there's already people kind of doing some EV conversions right taking S2000
some EV conversions right taking S2000 and make it electric yeah and you know
and make it electric yeah and you know you can't argue with the performance of
you can't argue with the performance of a of a fast EV you know look at the
a of a fast EV you know look at the rimac and the Plaid the the new uh
rimac and the Plaid the the new uh they're fast I mean porsa has been
they're fast I mean porsa has been making Fast Cars for forever and their
making Fast Cars for forever and their highest horsepower and fastest car is
highest horsepower and fastest car is their electric car so you know the the
their electric car so you know the the potential is there and you know maybe
potential is there and you know maybe instead of I don't know that you're
instead of I don't know that you're going to modify a stock car and get
going to modify a stock car and get anything out of it yeah but there will
anything out of it yeah but there will be more and more I think uh
be more and more I think uh opportunities to convert cars or maybe
opportunities to convert cars or maybe make a rear wheel drive car all-wheel
make a rear wheel drive car all-wheel drive with a electric front drive so
drive with a electric front drive so there's always going to be something to
there's always going to be something to do but just I don't know what it'll be
do but just I don't know what it'll be 10 years from now yeah but you you'll
10 years from now yeah but you you'll always be involved basically that you're
always be involved basically that you're you'll always be tapped into what's
you'll always be tapped into what's coming out probably ahead of time
coming out probably ahead of time honestly if you're already working on
honestly if you're already working on some motc stuff you might already know
some motc stuff you might already know something that we don't we I mean we try
something that we don't we I mean we try to stay ahead yeah all right well um I
to stay ahead yeah all right well um I do want to say I am super grateful that
do want to say I am super grateful that you know I'm able to do this um I never
you know I'm able to do this um I never thought I'd be able to interview Tony T1
thought I'd be able to interview Tony T1 it's kind of crazy coming from
it's kind of crazy coming from interviewing pretty much locals you know
interviewing pretty much locals you know Street Racers to now being here so I'm
Street Racers to now being here so I'm pretty uh I appreciate the fact that you
pretty uh I appreciate the fact that you let this happen so I'm glad you came out
let this happen so I'm glad you came out man appreciate um appreciate your time
man appreciate um appreciate your time also I know it's been kind of tough you
also I know it's been kind of tough you were busy you were on vacation you had
were busy you were on vacation you had things going on so uh huge shout out to
things going on so uh huge shout out to Dave as well because Dave is the one who
Dave as well because Dave is the one who put me in contact with you um so yeah
put me in contact with you um so yeah thank you thank you so much man uh if
thank you thank you so much man uh if you could let the viewers know where to
you could let the viewers know where to find you social media website and so on
find you social media website and so on yep we're on uh Facebook and Instagram
yep we're on uh Facebook and Instagram uh we don't do the Tik Tok thing so we
uh we don't do the Tik Tok thing so we won't see you won't see Tony dancing in
won't see you won't see Tony dancing in front of GTR it's not gonna happen uh T1
front of GTR it's not gonna happen uh T1 race on uh Instagram and uh Facebook and
race on uh Instagram and uh Facebook and the websites T1 R development.com okay
the websites T1 R development.com okay all right well thanks again thank you so
all right well thanks again thank you so much man I appreciate it so much guys
much man I appreciate it so much guys make sure if you guys are listening and
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