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A recent military parade in China showcased a significant array of new and modernized military equipment, highlighting the rapid pace and broad scope of the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) modernization efforts across nuclear forces, conventional armor, counter-drone systems, and naval aviation.
Around the world, September's been a
massive month for countries and
companies demoing new military
equipment. Tens of thousands of people
made their way to London for the DSCI
exhibition. I was one of them. And
Russia staged an impromptu drone tech
demo over Poland. We'll talk about both
of those soon enough. But before either
of those, eyes of analysts around the
world turned to China, where the
People's Liberation Army marked what it
calls the 80th anniversary of the
victory of the Chinese People's War of
Resistance against Japanese aggression
and the World Anti-Fascist War by
showing off a huge array of military
systems, many of which had never been
seen in public before. And so today, I'm
going to zoom in on just some of what
Beijing decided to show off to the world
and ask what it might tell us about the
progress of China's military
modernization speedrun. To do that,
we'll start with everyone's favorite,
the background and caveats. Why this
parade happened, what it can tell us,
and what it can't tell us. And then
we're going to move on to the metal.
With so much having been shown off, I'm
going to focus on four themes that I
think are worth a closer look. Nuclear
forces, next generation armor, counter
drone systems, and naval aviation. And
for each of those, talk a little bit
about what we saw, what it means, and
why that might matter. Then at the end,
we'll zoom out for a bit of a big
picture look, asking not just what we
saw during this particular parade, but
what we know about PLA modernization
more broadly and what that might mean
for how we think about China as a major
military power both now and going into
the future.
Okay, let's start context. Why did China
just show off a bunch of new military
equipment? And how should we interpret
that? The first thing to say is this was
an event of deep political significance.
the 80th anniversary of the end of World
War II, or as Chinese media puts it in
English, the 80th anniversary of the
victory in the Chinese people's war of
resistance against Japanese aggression
and the world anti-fascist war. That
makes it a parade, a demonstration, not
a military exercise. And so, I think
it's important as we go through the
various equipment that were shown or not
shown to give some thought as to why
that decision might have been made from
a political and narrative shaping
perspective. Essentially, don't assume
that every high significant system was
shown off at this parade or that every
system shown off at this parade was of
high significance. In terms of what was
showed off, there was a lot of variance
in terms of where these systems were on
their development and introduction
journey. Some of this was stuff that
we've known to be in service in
reasonable numbers for years at this
point. While in other cases, these were
systems we were seeing for the first
time. Given that, a lot of the coverage
I've seen in this event flags the need
to acknowledge some of the unknowns
here. As with any military parade or
trade show, just because a piece of
equipment was showed off doesn't
necessarily guarantee that it performs
as its data sheet or media release might
suggest, nor that it's available or in
service in large numbers. Indeed, if
being in a parade was proof that a piece
of equipment was everything a government
said it was, then by now the T14 Armada
would be the standard tank of the
Russian ground forces. There's also
always going to be a limit on how much
technical information you can
confidently gather based just on a
parade driveby. Many of China's new
missile systems, for example, like the
DF-61 or the CJ-1000, were displayed in
canisters on their tails, their
transporter erector launchers. In cases
like that, we can see what Beijing says
about a particular system, but
ultimately we can't see inside the
canister. We haven't observed these
systems being test fired, and so there's
always a chance that there's some smoke
mirrors or exaggeration involved. That
being the caveat though, I want to stick
an asterisk on the asterisk because one
of my concerns with some of the coverage
I've seen around Chinese military
developments is the tendency to
sometimes move from healthy skepticism
of those capabilities to dismissal of
them. If I was to create a generalized
flowchart of what you might call China
dismissal syndrome when it comes to
military equipment, it might go
something like this. Firstly, it starts
with the assertion that China couldn't
possibly build that type of system. Say
an aircraft carrier, for example. They
can only buy it in from abroad. Often
those assessments might attach to things
that historically are particularly
difficult from an industrial
perspective, like high performance jet
engines for fighters. Then of course,
China goes on to build one. Once China
builds something, the assertion might be
that it's just an inferior copy of
something else. We've seen that logic
attached to a lot of Chinese-built
versions of Soviet and later Russian
military equipment. The two rebuttals to
that would probably be that first,
something doesn't have to be original in
order to be very effective. And
secondly, we have plenty of precedent
for Chinese derivatives improving on the
original design. Speaking of Chinese
fighters back in 2020, for example,
Russi observed that quote, "The J16 and
J11D are evidence that Chinese
derivatives have now surpassed
Russian-built flankers with superior
multi-roll capabilities, longer ranged
and more effective missiles, and
operational ISISA radars." End quote.
But hey, the argument might go, it's
still a derivative. it doesn't reflect
an original Chinese design until
original Chinese designs are fielded and
there are plenty of them at this point
at which point you reach the assertion
that the system probably doesn't work or
at the very least it isn't battle tested
and in some cases it may be true but
that doesn't make it a safe or
reasonable assumption to assume that
anything that isn't battleproven can't
or doesn't perform to spec when the
export version of China's PL-15 airware
missile was used in the recent fighting
between Pakistan and India for example
it appears to have proven itself to be a
very dangerous ous missile with a long
reach. Missile ranges are obviously very
murky and always context dependent, but
it was generally reported that PL15E,
the version Pakistan had, had a range of
about 145 km. And reports citing Indian
officials suggest that they thought the
threat range was about 150 km. But
during some of the air combat we saw,
it's reported PL15 may have been used
beyond that range, including in a
claimed incident reported on by Reuters
involving the engagement of an Indian
Air Force Rafale. According to that
Reuters report, quote, "The PL15 that
hit the Rafal was fired from around 200
km away according to Pakistani officials
and even further according to Indian
officials." With Russy's Justin Bronc
noting that quote, "The Indians were not
expecting to be shot at and the PL-15 is
clearly very capable at long range." End
quote. which served as a bit of a
reminder that when you're not sure about
the exact performance of a system, it
might be the case that the adversary is
understating rather than overstating
what it can actually do. And given the
enormous success of Chinese
manufacturers across so many fields, it
seems very strange to me to be surprised
every time China produces capable
equipment and the potential adversaries
or competitors would generally be much
better off. Assuming that when China
sets out in a serious way to solve a
particular technical problem or design a
particular piece of equipment, given
their resources and capabilities,
they're probably eventually going to get
there. And so, while it's certainly
possible that some of the equipment we
go through today might not be as
operational or as effective as is
sometimes claimed, in my opinion, any
comments saying that this is a
fiberglass force are demonstrabably
wrong. And China's military
modernization is a very real effort
backed by the largest manufacturing base
on the planet. It needs to be treated
with respect and evaluated as such.
There are a couple of reasons then that
a parade like this might be useful to us
as observers. It might give us clues
about the direction Chinese military
equipment development is heading, how
they perceive their strategic challenges
or the future of the battlefield, and
what solutions or equipment they're
pursuing to address them. With the pace
China's military has been modernizing,
today's concept prototype or low rate
initial production example with some
technical rough edges can pretty quickly
become a mass-produced cornerstone of
the PLA's inventory. Essentially, it
makes sense to pay attention to what's
displayed today to gather some clues
about what might be deployed tomorrow.
So for the first equipment category to
get a detailed look, let's talk nukes.
You could argue that all arms of the
Chinese military are going through rapid
equipment transformation, but in terms
of raw qualitative and quantitative
growth, not much can compete with the
Chinese nuclear forces. While China's
been a nuclear weapon state since the
mid 1960s, it spent the overwhelming
majority of that time with one of the
smaller global inventories. A 2015 Rand
report assessed that in 1996, 2003, or
2010, if the United States had launched
a first strike against China's nuclear
forces, China would only have had a low
confidence in its nuclear second strike
capability, meaning they may have got
few, if any, shots off in response. In
2021, the Bulletin the Atomic Scientists
estimated the Chinese nuclear inventory
at about 350 warheads. In terms of raw
numbers, that put it ahead of but in the
same ballpark as countries like the
United Kingdom or France. By 2025, there
were more missiles in the force that
could reach the United States, and the
estimated warhead count now started with
a six. While the ground leg was scaling
up, though, both in terms of numbers and
reach, the air and naval elements of
China's nuclear forces were
significantly more limited. The aircraft
in PLAAF inventory that presumably would
have been responsible for delivering any
airdrop nuclear weapon was the H6
bomber, a non-stalthy subsonic aircraft
based on the Soviet F16, which entered
service in the 1950s. Not exactly the
kind of thing you might trust to carry
nuclear weapons deep into enemy
territory. The naval arm was
considerably better, anchored on a fleet
of six active Type 94 SSBNs, with the
potential weakness from a deterrence
perspective not being so much the
submarines themselves, but the missile
they carried. The main system in Chinese
service, the JL2, reportedly has a range
of about 7,000 km, which is a bloody
long way, but not, as you can see on the
map here, enough to enable a Chinese
submarine to get a warhead to, for
example, the United States West Coast
from Chinese waters. To get in range,
they'd obviously need to patrol out
further, but doing so might impose risks
that could potentially undermine
Beijing's confidence in its second
strike capability. The nuclear delivery
systems that China showed off at the
parade provide a pretty clear steer, I'd
argue, on some of the ways China is
trying to address these potential
strategic shortfalls. We saw a new
submarine launch ballistic missile, JL3,
which is a very similar form factor to
JL2 since it's meant to fit to the same
missile launch tubes, but which is
reportedly meant to have a range closer
to 10,000 km. meaning that according to
one US military assessment, it would
give the PRC the quote ability to target
the continental United States from
latoral waters. End quote. And in that
sense, you could argue this mirrors the
development we've seen from the French
nuclear forces, who've also moved
towards a longer range submarine launch
ballistic missile again with the
potential benefit of enabling their
ballistic missile submarines to provide
survivable second strike from much safer
waters. So that's the submarine
survivability problem potentially
covered. What about the Air Force?
Because until China is actually able to
field its next generation stealth
bomber, the H20, the H6 is what they
got. And as a general rule, if you're
trying to make an aircraft survivable,
but can't make it either stealthy or
quick. The remaining go-to option is
generally standoff, which is potentially
where this thing comes in. The JL1 air
launched ballistic missile. ALBMs are
not strictly a new concept. The US was
developing this thing, the Skybolt,
during the Cold War, and China's already
believed to have given their H6s access
to a smaller conventional anti-ship
ballistic missile. But if equipped with
a nuclear warhead, as many analysts
assess it might be, what JL1 would
potentially do is give the H6 the
ability to deliver nuclear strikes from
beyond the ability of most targets to
respond. And while new systems like this
might provide a significant leg up to
the air and naval arms of China's
nuclear triad, that doesn't mean we
didn't see anything for the
traditionally dominant ground leg. Far
from it. For example, China's heavy
liquidfueled silobbased ICBM, the DF5,
appears to be getting a new version.
While extremely difficult to verify, as
frankly a lot of this is going to be,
one of the key generally assessed
upgrade areas, is going to be range with
Chinese state media claiming this thing
has the capacity to reach out 20,000 km
or more than 12,000 mi, at which point
the system is essentially an everywhere
from anywhere weapon. In numerical terms
though, DF5 is not the backbone of the
current Chinese ICBM fleet. And there
are plenty of reasons you wouldn't want
it to be. It's very big. It's very
heavy. It's very expensive, and it comes
with some of the limitations inherent to
liquid fueled missiles. Historically,
liquid fueled missiles are a bit of a
pain to work with. Rocket fuels are
unpleasant materials to deal with in
general, and historical liquid fuel
designs couldn't be kept fueled for long
periods and could take a significant
period of time to fuel up when it came
time to make them ready for launch. It's
claimed that DF5C may have made
improvements in this area so it can be
kept in a ready state more of the time,
but the general expectation is it'll
remain a relatively specialized part of
the Chinese ICBM fleet and not be
universally deployed across all the new
missile silos that China's been in the
process of building. Instead, it's
generally expected that a lot of the
hundreds of new silos that China has
been constructing are going to be filled
with solid fueled missiles. potentially
this system which we saw in public for
the first time during the parade DF-31BJ
with it being reported that that J in
the designation likely stands for the
word Jing literally meaning well but
which has been used by the PLA to
describe missile silos. So DF-31 version
B silo variant and then finally rounding
out the section we had a new road mobile
ICBM DF-61.
Now, as you can see on the right there,
the visual differences between the
DF-61T we saw in 2025 and the DF41T we
first saw in 2019 basically comes down
to a change in paint job. That makes any
attempt to guess about potential
improvements in performance based on the
physical features alone pretty much dead
on arrival. Without the power of the W
behind you, you can't just paint
something a different color in order to
make it faster or go further. But for
what it's worth, Chinese sources claim
that this system has the kind of
capabilities you might expect. Basically
providing the same capability for China
that RS24 does for Russia. In terms of
the groundbased missiles, the
overwhelming focus here was on the
ICBMs, the stuff that could potentially
cover the distance from the Chinese
mainland to the continental United
States rather than China's more
intermediate range regional delivery
systems. As for the potential motives
behind that decision or what it might be
intended to signal, I'll happily leave
to the audience because instead I want
to close out this nuclear section by
essentially asking what does this mean
and why does it potentially matter.
In terms of the what, even if we hadn't
seen these systems, I'd argue the
overall pattern is fairly clear. The PRC
is building towards a full mature
nuclear triad. Its confidence in its
ability to launch a survivable second
strike, even in the face of a
counterforce first strike, is likely to
be growing. And its ability to deliver
warheads, especially over very long
distances, to targets, for example, in
Europe or the continental United States
is significantly growing. And the pacing
here is pretty stark when you compare it
to, for example, the United States.
After years of delays and cost overruns,
the first missiles are now expected to
enter service in the 2030s. And the
government accountability officer
suggested the Air Force take a look at
the possibility of keeping the Minute
Man 3, which ended service in the 1970s
in service to at least some degree out
to the year 2050. While there are
obviously some complexities involved, I
think it does give some sense of
perspective to the breadth and speed of
China's ICBM development and deployment
efforts. Overall, you could argue
essentially that if there were tiers of
nuclear weapon states, China would be in
the process of trying to move between
two of them. If it was previously the
case that it was clearly Russia and the
United States on top with China more a
peer of the likes of France and the
United Kingdom, China is now probably
somewhere in between those two
categories still a long way from being a
peer of the two nuclear superpowers. But
with the rate its warhead inventory has
been growing, the gap is certainly
narrowing. And even if all the powers
involved hopefully have the intention of
never actually using their nuclear
inventories, that potentially has
strategic implications. By narrowing the
nuclear balance between the PRC and the
United States, it might leave Beijing
feeling more strategically confident.
I'd argue Russia has been very
effectively able to use the threat or
perceived threat of nuclear escalation
to control Western intervention in
Ukraine, deterring allied states from
intervening directly and also gating the
types and quantities of weapons
provided, especially in the critical
years of 2022 and 2023. And it might be
that some in Beijing believe that a
stronger nuclear arsenal might encourage
their potential adversaries to
self-deter in that same way. It also
potentially helps future proof Chinese
military capabilities against American
investments in ballistic missile
defense. As we covered in our episode on
the Golden Dome in general when it comes
to missile defense, the offense is much
cheaper than the defense. And so while
it might have been plausible that with
significant investment eventually the
United States could develop a missile
defense capability that would have been
sufficient to hold back the nuclear
capability of say China in the early
2000s by adding many more warheads and
types of delivery systems to the force
the way they're doing. It probably
becomes incredibly unlikely that the
American missile defense system would
ever get to the point where it was good
enough to rob the Chinese nuclear force
of its deterrent value. The third point
is what this might potentially mean for
the international system of nuclear arms
control which frankly was already in
pretty rough shape. With a couple of
exceptions like the NNPT itself, most of
the major agreements on things like
warhead counts and delivery systems have
been negotiated as bilateral agreements
either between the United States and
Soviet Union or the United States and
Russian Federation. The system wasn't
designed, frankly, with China as a major
nuclear player in mind, and there are
currently no agreements between Beijing
and Washington restricting things like
delivery system or warhead count. The
reason that's potentially problematic is
because it provides yet another pressure
on the treaties that do exist. If you're
the United States and your party to an
agreement with Russia, which limits your
warhead count, but China is rapidly
expanding its forces, then that might
provide an incentive for you to pull out
of those agreements so you can build up
your forces and maintain a level of
nuclear advantage. With the New START
agreement due to expire in early 2026,
that's not an irrelevant consideration.
If you subscribe to the radical view
that large scale nuclear buildups are
generally not a great thing for
humanity, then that dynamic might be of
some concern. If you're India for
example and China builds up its nuclear
forces to counterbalance the United
States then from New Delhi's perspective
the discrepancy between China and
India's nuclear forces is going to
widen. That might encourage India to
invest in increasing its warhead counts
and diversifying its delivery systems
which might restore the balance via v
China somewhat but at the same time it
would shift the balance between say
India and Pakistan and so the effects of
any buildup might ripple out and have an
impact on global inventories not just
Chinese ones which brings us back to the
final point of why this matters. China
isn't just diversifying and modernizing
its delivery systems. It is, as we noted
earlier, adding a lot more warheads. At
the start of the 2020s, it was estimated
that China had about 350. Current figure
is north of 600, and US estimates
suggest that by 2030, it will be over
a,000. And while that might give us a
pretty clear sense of the rate of
change, it doesn't give us a clear idea
of where the intended end point is. It's
clear based on what we saw at the parade
that China is building towards having a
very modern, diversified, capable
nuclear triad. What isn't clear yet is
just how big they intend that triad to
be. Moving on from the nuclear to the
conventional, then let's talk ground
combat systems. Because over the course
of the parade, we saw a lot of metal on
display. At the head of the parade, for
example, was nothing too radical. A new
upgrade package for China's Type 99 main
battle tank. For reasons that'll become
clear in just a moment, you might think
of this as the heavy MBT of the Chinese
military, but it's certainly not heavy
by Western standards. In its A variant,
it tipped the scales at about 55 tons,
more than 10 less than recent model
LEOs, for example, but notably heavier
than recent model Russian tanks, at
least those that didn't have half a
residential building welded to them.
That China would continue to upgrade the
Type 999 isn't surprising. The first
tanks are believed to have entered
service in 2001, the first A models in
2011, and so by global standards, this
is still a pretty young fleet that the
PLA is likely to keep in service for
years to come. But while this might be
one of the newer main battle tank
designs globally, it's still distinctly
a third generation MBT. The layout and
main gun, for example, aren't that
different from what you might see on a
T72. And so at the parade, the tanks
catching all the attention weren't the
Type 99s. It was the vehicles behind
them. This is what China is calling a
fourth generation MBT, the Type 100. And
based on what we've been told about its
features, I'd argue that's probably a
fair designation. There's no
international umpire defining exactly
what does or doesn't make a fourth
generation main battle tank, but Type
100 appears to feature a bunch of the
ones that regularly come up. It has a
hybrid electric drive system for
increased fuel efficiency, the ability
to operate more quietly with the added
advantage of making it much easier to
have a lot of electrical energy
available for any power hungry systems
that you want to bolt onto the vehicle.
And in that respect, the vehicle appears
to be covered in sensors. The crew are
shown wearing what have been claimed to
be augmented reality goggles, which is a
feature we've seen on some Western
armored vehicles to give crew the
ability to have essentially a 360° view
even while within the vehicle. And then
an interesting combination of offensive,
defensive, and layout features. In terms
of layout, the tank appears to have an
almost T14 ARA style arrangement. An
unmanned turret and all the crew we did
see nested in the hull of the vehicle.
The top of the turret mounts a remote
weapon station, but also eight tubes for
China's GL6 active protection system,
suggesting this might be a vehicle that
leans comparatively more on active as
opposed to traditional passive defenses,
that is its armor. That might be
particularly relevant because in terms
of size and weight, it appears Chinese
designers here have gone for something
smaller than Type 99. In part because of
the nature of its terrain, there are
certainly sections of the Chinese
frontier where you'd struggle to get a
full size main battle tank. China is one
of the major militaries out there that
currently operates both a main battle
tank and a light tank. This is China's
type 15 estimated to weigh somewhere
between 33 and 36 tons that's believed
to have entered service in 2018. Type
100 is generally assessed to be heavier
than that, somewhere in the 40 ton
range, but still significantly smaller
than the heavier type 99. And to confuse
its position in the main battle tank
light tank divide even more, the main
gun appears to be only a 105 millimeter,
which is significantly smaller than the
125 mm used by the Type 99, the 120 mm
used by most NATO tanks, and instead
more in line with the 105 mm used on the
Type 15. In that respect, you could
argue Type 100 appears to kip bash a
bunch of different ideas together. It's
in the same weight, range, and firepower
category as the American M10 Booker. has
a layout more akin to a T14 Armada and
the kind of sensors, active protection,
and information systems that you'll see
on a bunch of modern western AF
concepts. And critically, unlike those
first two, it doesn't appear to have
been cancelled. Another interesting
observation about Type 100 is it was
followed by a second type of vehicle
that appears to use the same basic hull.
This is what's being called the Type 100
support vehicle, and it appears to
follow essentially an infantry fighting
vehicle style layout. You have an
unmanned turret with an autoc cannon
arament. Again, a bunch of sensors, an
active protection system, and generally
a lot of the features you'd expect on a
modern vehicle design of this type. From
a manufacturing and sustainment
standpoint, there are plenty of reasons
you might want to build multiple types
of vehicles on the same basic platform.
The United States plan to do it with
their future combat systems program.
Russia plan to do it with the T14. The
Israelis currently do this with their
heavy Namir APC based on the Murda 4
tank chassis and the PLA appears to be
trying to do it with these two new
middleweight armored vehicles. On seeing
these vehicles, there's a few immediate
questions that stand out. There are
obvious ones around questions of exact
technical maturity or how many have been
built so far, but I think the more
interesting ones for me are going to be
doctrinal. Who gets these? you already
have units that get the regular MBTs or
the lighter type 15. So, I think it'll
be interesting to see who the ultimate
customer for this mobile protected fire
system if you're from the US Army or
medium tank if you're anyone else
ultimately turns out to be. Much less
ambiguous, I'd argue, is who the
ultimate customers for the next category
of vehicles are going to be because we
also saw the PLA show off three next
generation airborne AFS. So, I think
it's fair to suggest those will go to
the section of the Chinese military
that's happy to throw people and
equipment out the back of perfectly
functional aircraft. Now, before we look
at the vehicles themselves, there's an
important piece of context to note here.
The PLA's airborne forces already have
an airdropable if you can see it on the
right there. It's a very light BMD style
vehicle designation ZBD03.
By the armor and weight standards of
military vehicles, the Type03 isn't that
many steps removed from a particularly
angry go-kart. The weight's about 8
tons. The primary arm is a 30 mm cannon.
And like the Russian BMD, the protection
scheme against anything larger than
small arms is primarily based on a thick
shell of hopes and dreams. But more than
a decade after the Chinese Airborne got
their first Type 03s, the PLA started to
receive this thing, the Y20. This is the
PLA strategic airlifter, a rough
equivalent to the Boeing C17. And while
its introduction has had major
implications for the lift capacity of
the Chinese force overall, for the
Airborne specifically, it opens up the
option of lifting and potentially
dropping larger and heavier vehicles.
That perhaps goes some way to explaining
why the new airborne vehicles we saw at
the parade look a bit heavier and
chunkier than the old Type 03. In this
case, we saw three distinct vehicle
types, again, seemingly based on a
common chassis. There was what looked
like an IFV style variant with an autoc
cannon arament, active protection
system, missile system, and a bunch of
sensors. A dedicated APC variant that
appears to sacrifice firepower
potentially for more internal volume for
additional troops. And finally, what
appears to be a gun mortar variant.
Think an airdropable artillery vehicle
in the style the Russian 2S9. As at time
of recording, I haven't seen Chinese
media release designations for these
vehicles, but I do think it's
interesting to look at these vehicles
and the Chinese decision to show them
off in the context of some of what we've
seen out of the war in Ukraine. There,
Russia's airdropable AFS have had a very
difficult time as lightly protected
vehicles packed the gills with ammo.
They tend to blow up a lot from an
engineering perspective. In order to
make a vehicle that you can airdrop, you
have to make some pretty stark
sacrifices. In the context of the war in
Ukraine, then where Russia's
paratroopers have spent the overwhelming
majority of their time acting as elite
infantry, not jumping out the back of
helicopters or cargo planes behind the
lines. There's an argument to suggest
they would have been better off if
they've been issued with heavier stuff
like BMPs from the very start. Looking
at these Chinese vehicles, if they are
airdropable, it's doubtful the armor is
particularly thick. But you can still
see signs the designers might have
invested effort in trying to reduce that
vulnerability at least a little with the
big difference being the mounting of
that active protection system. That
might not stop the vehicle being
penetrated if it is hit by an anti-arm
munition or something like an FPV drone,
but it might be enough to stop the first
or second attempt actually making it to
the vehicle in the first place.
Regardless of how the Chinese GL6 APS
ultimately ends up performing, I suspect
that when it comes to future armored
vehicle design, we'll see more and more
reliance placed by designers on these
kind of active systems. Whether you're
talking about drones and laing
munitions, indirect fires, or top attack
munitions like ATGMs, it's increasingly
clear, I'd argue, that if you want to
design an armored vehicle that's
survivable on a modern battlefield, it's
not enough to just protect the front.
You need to worry about protecting all
hemispheres. And if you try and do that
just with slabs of passive armor, the
weight tax might just not be workable.
APS obviously have their disadvantages.
They can be expensive, and I've never
seen a slab of armor plate run out of
ammunition. But what we saw at the
parade certainly seems to suggest the
PLA sees some serious potential here.
There were other vehicles that were
showed off we could go through,
including a full suite of amphibious
armored vehicles, but by now that's
probably enough to make out a couple of
common themes. A lot of the armored
vehicles we saw tend to belong to common
families with multiple variants, place
an emphasis on tactical and strategic
mobility, incorporate active defense
systems, and often significant sensor
suites, unmanned turrets, remote weapon
stations, and a variety of similar
features we've seen pop up in a lot of
Western next generation AF concepts, but
not necessarily make their way onto a
huge range of vehicles that have
actually reached mass production. Not
every vehicle shown had those features,
obviously. The wheeled amphibious
vehicles we saw, for example, seem to
incorporate man turrets and no obvious
active protection system. But I'd
suggest what we did see in terms of
those features was notable enough. And
in that respect, I'd argue we're seeing
signs of Chinese armored vehicle
designers not just trying to keep up
with global development trends, but also
playing a role in pushing them forward
as well. From a planning perspective,
seeing vehicles like this also might
have implications. If you're a potential
Chinese competitor, you may have to
adjust your assumptions about where the
PLA can project certain types of armored
vehicles like main battle tanks and how
much combat power the units equipped
with them can potentially bring to the
table. A type 100 slogging it out with
the likes of M1 A2 SEV3 would be a very
different proposition, for example, if
it turned up in an area of operations
where most of its opponents were lighter
vehicles. Similarly, a new family of
airborne vehicles, if mass-produced and
deployed, would have a potential impact
on the combat power of China's
paratroopers, especially if those
vehicles have an effective active
protection system and are primarily
dealing with opposing forces reliant on
manportable anti-tank weapons. Think
ATGMs or shoulder fired rockets that APS
might be optimized to try and defeat.
and serious investments in that area
might demonstrate that Chinese military
leadership still very much value the
role they believe that airborne forces
might play in any potential future conflict.
conflict.
Of course, as the war in Ukraine is
arguably demonstrated, if you want your
shiny new armored vehicles or unarmored
vehicles or anything really to survive
on the modern battlefield, you really
need to have an answer for the drone and
load ammunition threat. One that
probably goes beyond just mounting an
APS with a couple of shots on most of
your armored vehicles. And while Chinese
forces obviously haven't been directly
fighting that war, you'd expect the PLA
to be very familiar with drones, the
threat they pose, and what they can do.
As of last year, the People's Republic
of China was the largest global producer
of civilian drones. The DJI Mavic has
been an absolute workhorse of the
tactical ISR function for both sides
during the war in Ukraine. And even as
Russia and Ukraine moved to ramp up
their production of their own domestic
drones, often that was with a
significant input of Chinese components.
The point is that through Chinese
industry, the PLA has access to a lot of
drone related talent. And we've seen
evidence that the PLA is leveraging that
talent in two directions. By becoming a
major adopter of military drones on one
hand, and understanding the importance
of good counter drones, so CUAS systems
on the other. And an observation I'd
raise out of this parade and other
things we've seen from the PLA is that
when it comes to picking a technological
winner, as far as CO solutions go, so
far, it basically looks like Beijing has
selected the all of the above option. We
saw a variety of new radars and sensors
that might help detect incoming threats.
electronic warfare systems that might be
effective against a lot of drones,
although obviously not those with things
like fiber optic cable connections and
then a full suite of hard kill systems
that might be able to deal with those
more stubborn targets. We saw what
appears to be a large high-powered
microwave system, which if you remember
the episode on directed energy weapons,
might be used to essentially fry the
electronics of an incoming threat. China
showed off various HPM systems over
time, although given the size of the one
on the right there, it would probably be
more suitable for defending fixed
installations or operating in rear areas
than as a maneuvering frontline asset.
It's notably significantly larger than
some of the systems we've seen showed
off by the United Kingdom, the US
Marines, or the US Air Force. But when
it comes to the directed energy weapons,
as with so many things, size can matter.
And so, all else being equal, you might
expect bigger system to translate into
bigger ZAP. One thing that really makes
HPM stand out as a potential anti- drone
option is they're essentially areaof
effect weapons. In Ukraine, you might
see a lot of FPVs or loading munitions
attacking in ones or twos, but I think
the expectation has to be in future that
you'll see more and more drone swarms,
formations of drones talking to each
other, acting together, and potentially
overwhelming whatever sort of defenses a
target might have. With the HPM, you
don't need to target an individual
drone. You don't necessarily even need
to be able to see an individual drone.
You just get to pick an area of sky and
declare it a drone-free zone. That
sounds great, but it can't really be an
acrosstheboard short-range air defense
solution. For one, while it can be
expensive, there are options to harden
targets against HPM attack. And at the
other end of the spectrum, frying the
brains of a target system doesn't work
if the target is sufficiently dumb. For
example, good luck jamming the guidance
system on an unguided shell or rocket.
But ammunition that might not care about
HPM attack might still care about bits
of it starting to melt, which is where
the PLA's high energy lasers probably
come in. Just as with HPMs, China is
believed to have a variety of HL systems
either in service or development.
They've exported laser systems,
including to Saudi Arabia. And there is
video out there claiming to be of at
least one Chinese laser system being
used against Ukrainian drones in Russia.
Compared to HPMs, lasers can only engage
one target at a time. Plus, they can be
a bit picky when it comes to weather
conditions, but because they're
imparting thermal energy, they can
potentially be effective against a wider
array of targets. There's a reason the
US Army wants to use a mobile laser
system to shoot down incoming artillery
rounds, not a HPM. At the parade, China
actually showed off multiple laser
systems. You can see a lighter example
on the right there. But the one I really
want to focus on here is this thing,
designated the LY1. According to Chinese
media, this somewhat beefy laser system
is primarily intended for naval use.
Ships generally make pretty attractive
directed energy weapon platforms because
factors like weight, energy generation,
and cooling are likely going to be less
of a problem for them than they would
for something like an aircraft or an
armored vehicle. And in that respect,
LY1 would fit in pretty well with some
of the other naval laser programs we're
seen experimented with around the world.
Think Dragon Fire for the United Kingdom
or Helios and other programs for the
United States Navy. But the way this
laser was displayed has led some
analysts to suggest it might be intended
for ground use as well. If Beijing just
wanted to show off the emitter, then
like some of the naval weapons we saw
elsewhere in the parade, it would have
been simple enough just to stick it on
the back of a truck and call it a day.
While this vehicle you can see it
displayed on appears incredibly large
enough to mount the kind of generators
and systems necessary to actually
operate a laser. That wouldn't be
without precedent. Multiple nations,
including Israel and the United States,
have tested mobile laser systems. But
this would certainly be on the larger
side compared to the likes of America's
striker mounted de Shorad. Obviously
with a large unarmored vehicle like
that, you're probably not looking at a
system you'd expect to see doing donuts
near the front line of Donetsk. But
defending high value infrastructure or
targets well behind the front lines
maybe. But if you're in a scenario where
the Star Wars solution to your CO
challenge won't work, there's always the
old school method of hitting something
with high-speed bits of metal until it
stops moving in ways you don't want it
to. To that end, we saw a bunch of
kinetic cos options running all the way
up the spectrum from APS and RWS on the
regular armored vehicles to dedicated
shorad platforms that included rather
typical self-propelled anti-aircraft gun
concepts where you have a gun system
paired with the radar and other sensors
necessary to point it where it needs to
point. But the modern trend for some
time has been to often pair a gun
system, which might have the advantage
of things like flexibility and cheaper
ammunition, with one or more different
types of missile system. Both larger
ones that you might use against targets
like fixedwing aircraft or helicopters,
and then also smaller, cheaper ones that
you might use specifically against small
drones. To illustrate, I've got some
examples up on the right there,
including a Russian Pansier and a
version of the German Sky Ranger 30. And
the US has systems like Vampire which
has been exported to Ukraine which gives
you a ground launched options for the
APKWS guided rockets. For their part,
China showed off this thing. This is a
wheeled vehicle which has been commonly
referred to as the FK 3000 which just
like some of the other systems out there
combines a gun with anti- drone
missiles. The difference being it's a
lot of anti- drone missiles. In total,
the vehicle mounts 24 box launchers. And
while it's difficult to see from that
photo, up close it looks like each of
those boxes is divided into four launch
cells. Potentially giving every vehicle
a magazine of 96 missiles on tap. If you
think you might be defending against one
or two drones, 96 interceptors per
vehicle is probably overkill. But if you
anticipate a future battlefield that's
absolutely infested with small drones
and laundering munitions, then maybe
that kind of loadout starts to make
sense. So what does all that mean? And
why does this potentially matter? I
think the big point here is that China
is very clearly taking the drone and
lamun munition threat very seriously.
They're not just coming up with one
countermeasure. They're coming up with a
bunch of them, integrating them to
different parts of the force, which all
else being equal makes it less likely
that the system has a single failure
point or the enemy is able to adapt to a
single system and make the overall force
vulnerable. The potential implication
there is it might be more difficult for
potential opponents of the PLA to rely
on drones and loader munitions as a kind
of hard counter. You might see scenarios
where drones are still very effective on
the battlefield, especially as they
continue to evolve. But if the
countermeasures catch up and the other
capabilities are there, they might not
be as dominant as we see in Ukraine.
From an investment perspective, there
also appears to be a degree of risk
mitigation and future proofing going on
here. Beijing isn't putting all their
eggs in one particular CAS basket.
They're investing across multiple lines
of effort and multiple technologies.
Although obviously only time will tell
how these various defense measures are
deployed, how they work in practice, at
what scale they're produced, and how
well they can deal with not just the way
the drone threat looks now, but the way
it looks in 5, 10, or 20 years. As with
so many military's counter drone
efforts, the investment and effort is
very clearly there. The jury is just
still out on how the technological and
doctrinal arms race will play out.
From little things that fly, I next want
to pivot to big things that fly.
Specifically with a couple of notes
about Chinese carrier aviation. While
internet debates over whether or not the
carrier is obsolete in an era of
longrange drones, hypersonics, and
anti-hship ballistic missiles will
obviously rage on, the signals we're
getting out of China definitely seem to
suggest the People's Liberation Army
Navy doesn't think so. And the theme I
wanted to raise here is China moving
from a country that has carriers, which
is a pretty wide club that includes
countries like Russia and India to a
country that has all the components
necessary to put together an
Americanstyle carrier airwing. Because
as a tool of effective power projection,
the carrier itself is just one piece of
the puzzle. Make no mistake, it's a
piece that China now has and is likely
to have more of in the future with the
type 03 carrier in the water and the
type 04 reported in the pipeline, which
might by some reports end up being
China's first nuclearpowered super
carrier. But the ability of the carrier
itself to affect targets is shaped by
the kind of aircraft it operates. Like
Russia's KNET, China's previous ski jump
scale carriers like the Shandong were
very limited in terms of the kind of
aircraft they could operate. In both
cases, you'd have one or more fourth
generation fighters. J15 for China or
Sukcoy 33 for Russia, for example. But a
lot of the other jobs had to be done by
helicopters. The Russians, for example,
relied on a Karm 31 helicopter for
airborne early warning. China's newer,
larger catapult equipped flat decks give
them more options. All else being equal,
you can launch fixedwing aircraft with a
larger payload if you fling them with a
catapult rather than relying on the cop
slope. And the type of aircraft you can
operate full stop also widens
considerably. And this parade
demonstrated many of the elements that
might make the future Chinese carrier
airwing look a lot more like their
American equivalents. The US Navy has a
fifth generation fighter, the navalized
version of the F-35. China gave us a
flyover by their J35, the country's
second fifth generation fighter and
likely the first one to be carrier
capable. Like many of the other elements
we've gone through today, this wasn't
really a surprise to us. We've
previously seen images, for example,
like this one of J35s with production
numbers suggesting that they're low rate
initial production airframes and a very
prominent shark motif on the tail fin,
which is something we've also seen
appear on China's J15 carrier fighters.
So J35 making its way into the fleet
wouldn't be unexpected, but it would
bring China into the very elite club of
countries that have a fifth generation
fighter on their carriers. The US Navy
also operates a dedicated electronic
warfare platform off its carriers, the
EA18 Growler, basically the EW version
of the Super Hornet. But we've
previously seen Beijing show off an
electronic warfare version of the J15,
which China's Ministry of National
Defense described back in November 2024
as being quote tasked with performing
electronic warfare operations similar in
broad form and function to the United
States Navy's EA18 Growler end quote.
thus expanding that naval aviation
toolkit even wider. And then finally at
the parade, we saw the public reveal of
another carrierbased system. Unlike the
Russians who have to rely on helicopters
for the job, countries like France and
the United States have dedicated
carrierbased early warning aircraft. In
their case, that's the E2-D Hawkeye,
which is obviously going to be able to
fly further and mount significantly more
powerful sensors than any helicopter. At
the parade, the Chinese appeared to show
off their entry into this carrierbased
airborne early warning and control
category. On the top right there, I have
an image of the American Hawkeye. And on
the bottom, the brand new and totally
original Chinese KJ600. Now, this may
not be a case where the Chinese aviation
sector wins any awards for originality.
But I'd also say from a strictly
military perspective, that's essentially
irrelevant. Hawkeye is a proven design
that works well, that's been flying from
catapult equipped carriers for decades.
The first A2s entered service back in
the 1960s, and in its latest versions,
it's still very much going strong. And
so, if you're a Navy that's moving into
the world of catapult equipped carriers
for the first time, perhaps it makes a
degree of engineering sense not to try
and reinvent the wheel, or in this case,
reinvent the flying radar system that
can deal with the rigors of carrier
operation. The core point is that
Chinese carrier air groups in the future
are likely to have a fixedwing sensor
platform that they can launch and
recover with all the benefits in terms
of awareness and command and control
that that kind of system brings. I think
it's also fair to assume that future
Chinese carrier air groupoups are going
to benefit from a lot of the unmanned
system development going on as well.
China showed off a variety of quite
large UK cavs, some which incorporated
stealth features and appeared designed
for supersonic flight that mirrors some
of the developments we've seen globally
towards so-called loyal wingman style
drones or CCAs in American parliament
where you might have large drones intend
to operate alongside the man fighters.
And indeed, while it's not linked to
carrier aviation, they also showed off
one other thing that I want to mention
because it represents a kind of global
first. This is the new two seat variant
of China's J20 Mighty Dragon. There's a
common feature across all the other
relevant fifth generation fighters out
there. F-35, F-22, J20, J35, Sukcoy 57
for Russia if you're feeling generous.
They're all single seaters. I generally
agree with a lot of the analysis out
there saying this probably isn't for
training purposes. China, the United
States, and all the F-35 operators out
there seem to have had no trouble
training plenty of pilots on those
platforms without a two-seater version
available. But I can imagine plenty of
reasons you might want to add a Wizo, a
weapon systems officer, to the second
seat of a fighter like this one. If your
intention is to have man J20s operating
alongside a bunch of unmanned platforms,
then you might get some benefit adding
some two-seaters into a formation so you
can have the second crew member help
manage all of those unmanned platforms.
Cognitive overload is a thing. And while
sensor fusion and mechanical assistance
might go some way towards alleviating
the problem, the PLAF might be taking
the view that sometimes the best
solution to a problem is simply another
pair of hands. The core point here is
that whether you're talking about
groundbased aviation or the carrier
fleet, we're starting to see Beijing
bring together all the pieces of a next
generation peer level capability. A new
generation of aircraft, drones to
support them, missiles for them to fire,
and critical enablers like Awax,
tankers, and electronic warfare aircraft
to support their operations. The so what
factor for the carrier fleet
specifically is that China is quite
predictably building up towards having a
mature diversified naval airfleet. One
that has a lot of the same types of
tools as the US Navy and thus one which
over time might have a greater and
greater ability to project power
overseas. Bluewater carrier operations
aren't a simple thing and not the kind
of national capability you can build up
overnight. But China hasn't been
building this capability overnight.
They've incrementally pieced it together
over the course of decades. It started
with the purchase of a rustedout old
Soviet carrier that gave them an
opportunity to practice the basics. From
there, they first built a copy of the
Soviet style ship, then the Type 03 that
went well beyond anything the Soviet
Union or the Russian Federation has ever
produced, and we should expect the next
ships in the fleet to continue to push
that evolution ever further. China's
carrier force is still obviously a long
way from being a direct peer of the US
Navy. But I think the parade provides
another bit of evidence of just how
quickly they're narrowing that gap. And
I half jokingly expect that if you're
one of the people in the US Navy whose
job it is to lobby Congress for funding
for the Navy's next generation fighter
program, demonstrations like this one
probably make your job ever so slightly
easier. In terms of why this might
matter, while a lot of the public
analysis tends to focus on the role of
the Chinese Navy in any large-scale
conflict against a peer opponent, that's
not at the core of the reason I chose to
give a segment over to carrier aviation
this episode, rather than things like
China's new air defense systems or the
various anti-hship missiles it showed
off, both of which might be highly
relevant in that kind of scenario. What
carrier aviation might offer, however,
that many of those other assets can't,
is the ability to project power. We've
seen for decades that whenever there's
an event that pops up anywhere in the
world that the United States wants to
tip one way or the other, one of the
tools it often turns to is the ability
to cruise 100,000 tons of American
sovereign territory off the coast of the
flash point in question and then use the
presence of all that striking power to
shape how events unfold. The People's
Liberation Army Navy is still a
significant way off from being able to
project carrier groups around the world
in the way the United States Navy can.
But between new carriers, new aircraft,
and greater experience operating them,
it's clear they're getting closer to
having that kind of great power tool
available to them. And time will tell
how that capability and with it
Beijing's ability to influence events in
its region and beyond ultimately evolves
in the years to come. But as we get
towards the end of this episode, I want
to move the focus away from individual
pieces of equipment and instead zoom out
a bit and dawn, if you like, the defense
economics hat. From that perspective,
I'd argue debating the exact readiness
or capabilities of any individual piece
of PLA equipment is obviously important,
but I don't think it should ever come at
a cost of acknowledging the broader
trend here. That in the 21st century,
the PLA has been succeeding in
modernizing its equipment at an
extraordinary rate. This is a force that
in a relatively short period has gone
from being reliant on derivatives of the
Soviet MIG 21 to becoming the second
country on the planet to design and
mass-produce a fifth generation fighter.
And while the transformation of the
overall force clearly isn't complete
yet, that wasn't Beijing's stated goal.
Those tended to focus on a much longer
timeline, modernizing the force by 2035
and becoming a worldclass military power
capable of fighting and winning wars by
2049. And if we're trying to project how
likely it is that the PLA is going to
maintain momentum towards those goals, I
think it's important to acknowledge some
of the defense industrial advantages
they're working with and what sets a
country like China apart from, for
example, Russia. If you're looking at
the process of equipment modernization
in a very general sense, there's a
couple of places that countries can
encounter bottlenecks. If you want to do
it with your own material, you need to
have the technical talent necessary to
develop equipment that works, the funds
necessary to drive that process and then
procure it. And then you need to have
the industrial capacity necessary to
build and deliver it. Fall over at any
of those gates or any of the milestones
in between and you can run into trouble.
Russia, for example, especially pre2022,
had a lot of military technical talent.
It inherited a lot of knowhow and
infrastructure from the Soviet Union,
and it's very clear if you look across a
range of Russian defense projects that
they don't have any difficulty coming up
with interesting ideas and concepts.
What's desperately missing is the
funding necessary to actually refine
those designs and the industrial
capacity necessary to actually build
them, especially without reliance on
imported components. Meanwhile, if you
look at various NATO states, there are
plenty of designs out there that in
terms of their raw performance are
absolute world beaters. The technical
talent is very much there and compared
to Russia, often there's going to be a
lot more funding available. And so, in
some cases, the bottleneck and a major
cost driver becomes industrial capacity.
The US Navy, for example, has a
fantastic submarine design in the form
of the Virginia class. They want more of
them. They're spending a lot of money on
them, but the shipyards and contractors
just can't turn the boats out as quickly
as the Navy or Congress might want them
to. That's not to say that every NATO
design is a good one, that funding is
infinite, or that industrial capacity is
always a problem. But whether you're
talking about submarines or 155 mm
shells, over the last couple of years,
industrial capacity has often been a
barrier to NATO militaries modernizing
or moving as fast as they'd like. Hence,
some of the serious investments we've
seen in trying to rebuild the base. In
the People's Republic of China, though,
I'd argue the bottlenecks are often
going to be different. This is the
world's largest manufacturing state, its
largest ship builder, the producer of
the majority of the world's steel, a
country that dominates the refining
process for many critical materials, and
which routinely leverages massive
economies of scale when it comes to
turning out product. To give you a sense
of scale here, by World Bank estimates,
there are more Chinese industrial
workers than there are Russians. all
Russians. Compared to countries like the
United States, Germany, or even India,
domestic consumption makes up a smaller
overall proportion of China's GDP, with
more of it instead being made up of
investments and exports. That kind of
economic structure does come with
potential risks. Compared to other
countries, China is going to be more
reliant on foreign consumers to soak up
its production of goods, especially in
cases where Chinese industries arguably
move into a state of over capacity.
China is producing so many EVs, for
example, relative to domestic demand
that it's causing price wars so vicious
that they've drawn the attention of the
central government and pushed Chinese
manufacturers to try and export as many
of their vehicles as possible. To
oversimplify, in some industries,
China's problem might not be that it
doesn't have enough capacity to produce
stuff, it might be that it has too much
capacity. But while having a bunch of
slack industrial capacity in the economy
might not be great if the goal is to be
as efficient as possible with your
investments, it might be potentially
very useful if at any point you decide
you want to dial up military production.
The same way we've seen some companies
in Germany, for example, take advantage
of excess capacity from the automotive
sector in order to support the rebuild
of Europe's military capacity. The
highle observation then here for China
might be that when it comes to military
modernization, the difficult part comes
earlier in the process. If you see
Russia show off a new concept vehicle,
it's a massively open question whether
the funding will be there and the
industrial capacity will be there to
convert concept into combat power. But
when you're talking about China, the
defense budget has increased 13 times
over over the last three decades. And
once they've successfully designed a
piece of equipment and figured out how
to manufacture it, the industrial
capacity might be there to basically
just hit print on the system the way
that few, if any, other countries can.
I've got some charts on the right here
from a CSIS report that can demonstrate
how that might flow through in practice.
As you can see, in terms of hull count,
the People's Liberation Army Navy is
expanding extremely quickly to the point
where it now has more ships, albeit not
tonnage, than the US Navy, and by some
US projections might have as many as 50%
more ships by 2030. In terms of its
fighter force, China has been able to
accomplish both modernization and
expansion at the same time. Per the
IISS, in 2010, a plurality of the
PLAAF's fighter force was second
generation aircraft. Less than 15 years
later, fifth generation fighters had
been introduced, and the backbone of the
fleet was now fourth generation or
better. So, I'd argue that when China
shows off new systems, it's worth paying
attention. Because while not every idea
will work out, perform as advertised, or
be deployed at scale, when the PLA locks
in on a system they want to prioritize,
Chinese industry can move quickly and at
scale. Meaning that if you're a country
that's a potential Chinese competitor,
the critical question might not just be
what is the PLA capable of today. It's
what will it be capable of next year, in
5 years, or a decade from now. And as
choreographed as they might be, parades
like this one might give us just a
little bit of insight into that precise question.
question.
There are obviously still plenty of
question marks around how the PLA would
actually perform if it found itself in a
high-intensity combat situation. And as
we repeatedly discussed on the channel,
there are a lot of elements that go into
the fighting power of a military beyond
just the quantity and quality of its
equipment. But through a defense
economic specific lens, the PLA
modernization effort has a lot going for
it. With a lot of the funding, human,
and physical capital necessary to get it
re-equipped. And so unless something
dramatic changes, I'd suggest that
Chinese military modernization isn't a
what if, it's a how far and how fast.
And okay, brief channel update to close
out because at this point my voice is
starting to go. I'm it's a slightly
shorter episode this week, but I didn't
want to make it longer than it needed to
be. And with it having been a very
packed week, it also helped make things
just that little bit easier for me as
well. My plan at this point is having
talked this week about some of the stuff
that China showed off to next week pivot
to some of what got showed off at DSI in
the United Kingdom and with it some of
the concepts and technologies we're
seeing showed off by other parts of the
defense sector, particularly companies
based in Europe, North America or parts
of the Asia-Pacific. A major point I
wanted to push forward this episode is
that we are now a long way removed from
the era where China was primarily a
country that duplicated military
technology from the Soviet Union or
Russian Federation. It's now entirely
capable of developing and fielding its
own, in many cases quite capable
systems. But while developments are
moving forward in China, the rest of the
world is very much not standing still.
And so next week, I hope to give you a
bit of insight into what some other
nations are cooking up. Until then,
thank you very much as always for your
ongoing support and engagement. And with
any luck, I hope to see you all again
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