0:03 do you know the word integrity yes
0:06 I know the word how would you describe
0:08 Integrity for someone who doesn't know
0:10 the word well I tell you how I describe
0:12 it for myself
0:15 I don't know if it's helpful for
0:18 somebody else but for me Integrity is
0:22 being in alignment with myself
0:27 to be in alignment with my authentic
0:30 self so again you have more words
0:33 without definitions you know what itself
0:36 what's an authentic self but for me the
0:38 the meaning is clear
0:45 it's not always so easy to adhere to it but
0:46 but
0:49 the idea of being aligned I think is
0:53 critical in so many things and I think
0:55 forms the basis of Integrity how
0:58 important is integrity for you on your
1:00 personal scale of values maybe you can
1:02 give it even number between one and ten
1:07 ah okay whoa between one and ten I would
1:16 and it's important to the people that I
1:18 relate to
1:21 that I am close to that I work with
1:25 because also if they're in their own
1:28 Integrity in their own alignment then
1:33 they are aligned Parts can meet
1:36 and then I think that's the power
1:38 of alignment is there somebody
1:41 especially of Integrity for you a person
1:45 you know and what for of Integrity that
1:48 is a really good question
1:51 um I think of someone like Nelson Mandela
1:52 Mandela
1:55 I think he was really really in
1:57 alignment with himself and alignment
2:00 with very important values because again
2:02 you have to be aligned to something
2:06 so for me he he's an example I've barely
2:12 met but I I've found that Han was very
2:13 much in alignment
2:16 alignment with himself and and alignment
2:20 with his followers and his readers
2:22 uh and and there are other people too of
2:24 course you know great religious
2:27 I think in many ways um
2:36 that really stand out I mean some people
2:39 are in alignment in some ways but not in
2:42 other ways I think of Albert Einstein in
2:45 some ways he was very
2:49 aligned to his self to his mission
2:51 but really not very well aligned in his
2:54 personal relationships how often
2:57 Antiquity do you perceive yourself maybe
3:00 also with the number between one and ten
3:03 yeah between one and ten it depends it
3:05 depends I mean sometimes I find I'm
3:08 really in alignment with myself and it's
3:10 difficult I think people should
3:13 understand that to be an Integrity to be
3:15 in enlightened once with oneself it
3:17 really takes a lot of practice a lot of
3:20 commitment and it's not so easy and we
3:22 also have to acknowledge when we're not
3:24 in alignment and we're not in alignment
3:27 with other people and so then what do we
3:36 important if you think of the challenges
3:38 that we just face in the world
3:41 oh I think it's essential I mean
3:44 everything you know gets crappy when
3:47 when people aren't in alignment
3:50 it's um I mean if you want examples of
3:52 not being in alignment just turn on the
3:56 news channel the BBC or the CNN you know
3:59 there are examples many very good
4:01 examples right yeah
4:05 yeah that's the society you live in
4:08 allows you to live in a technique that's
4:10 a good question with you that's a good
4:12 question you know I mean I have
4:13 experience in being in different
4:17 countries I don't really know any
4:20 yeah societies that really have that
4:22 kind of integrity
4:26 they're different you know uh you know and
4:27 and
4:30 in the United States
4:35 many many people are not in alignment
4:38 uh and you part of that is because you
4:39 have a government that's not in alignment
4:41 alignment
4:44 and so that permeates you know the
4:48 society itself being not in Integrity
4:52 affects all of the members of the society
4:53 society
4:56 yeah so it also affects you affects me
4:59 you know I mean here in Switzerland you
5:02 know things and of course they're all
5:04 comparative but there's a lot of
5:07 rigidity of bureaucracy but there's a
5:09 certain stability and a certain
5:11 commitment to work things out my
5:14 understanding is that the parliament
5:18 picks these five people five seven
5:20 people I guess five and that when
5:23 there's an issue they come together and
5:25 they try to work it out
5:28 to me that's a good form of government
5:30 that's what governments should be doing
5:32 you know and there are very few places
5:35 where that that's the you know that's
5:37 the case and that's probably one of the
5:39 reasons why I'm attracted to spend more
5:42 and more time in in Switzerland than
5:43 teaching in Switzerland what do you
5:55 well
5:59 hmm your whole planet
6:03 it would be a very different planet
6:04 you know
6:12 um would um I think it was Martin Luther
6:17 King wrote once that all others uh needs
6:19 and values
6:22 have to be equal for us if we want
6:25 a good balance in the world we have to
6:29 also provide others with that balance
6:32 so again Martin Luther King was
6:35 certainly a person who was in many ways
6:38 in integrity and in and and again you
6:41 when you hear people like that
6:43 you know those three people for example and
6:44 and
6:46 they're they're very different
6:48 especially different than say take that
6:53 on or the Dalai Lama or some of the real
6:57 authentic spiritual teachers I mean even
7:00 to some degree the pope you know more
7:03 than many many many other people in that
7:07 position he's in this really a higher
7:10 level of integrity
7:13 so you mean you can sense that a person
7:16 is yeah yeah and in order to sense that
7:18 we have to have our own Integrity or and
7:21 our own you know connection or we don't
7:24 know that we don't see it so if you see
7:26 it that means you have it
7:30 okay what are from your specific uh
7:32 point of view maybe as developer of
7:35 thematic experiencing are the essential
7:39 ingredients for integrity building respect
7:41 respect
7:45 that's primary I mean I work with many
7:48 I'm over my career I've worked with tens
7:50 of thousands of people and
7:52 and
7:54 I don't always do this
7:57 but when I'm at my best
8:01 I really meet them where they are
8:04 without me judging
8:08 you know and in a way
8:10 working with people and you know working
8:12 in my teaching
8:15 it gives me the opportunity always to
8:18 say okay how can I really connect with
8:20 this person in an authentic level in
8:22 other words
8:24 two people aligned with themselves
8:27 aligned with each other
8:31 so respect respect is essential
8:34 self-respect but especially respect for
8:39 others how does shame interfere with the
8:41 Integrity well shame chronic shame
8:43 interferes with everything
8:47 I mean there's a healthy shame
8:51 which which is in alignment so if I do
8:54 something to you that was not good and
8:56 that hurt you
9:00 it's healthy for me to feel shame and
9:04 for me to listen to you
9:06 and apologize
9:10 but shame when it becomes chronic that's
9:13 all people have nothing they really
9:18 could they their growth is is deadened
9:21 wishing it's just immobilized
9:25 so uh we have to differentiate again
9:27 between healthy shame and chronic shame
9:30 and humiliation which is what
9:32 unfortunately many many parents and
9:36 teachers do to children which takes the
9:38 Life Energy out of them Peter what are
9:41 your essence associations if you hear
9:45 the word Soul Integrity do you have any um
9:45 um
9:49 well you know we actually did a trauma
9:54 tag on this on soul and soul and so so
9:58 what is so so in psychotherapy and
10:00 and
10:03 you know
10:05 we know
10:08 so when we hear it for example
10:10 you know
10:13 if you hear Mahalia Jackson
10:15 or Aretha Franklin
10:19 or so many musicians
10:22 you hear them you see them and you know
10:29 and I think we also know when we are not
10:34 open to our soul and again Soul comes
10:37 from this alignment with this authentic
10:47 untouched
10:48 and pure
10:52 and it burns like a flickering Flame
10:55 that never goes out it gets dim
10:59 sometimes and we have to listen to it carefully
11:00 carefully
11:03 but then it becomes brighter again
11:06 what do you know about the Dark Knight
11:09 of the Soul The Dark Knight of the Soul
11:12 you know I think there's a mistake that
11:15 a misconstrue that people make
11:19 I mean there is of course you know and
11:21 you see it in in Christian theology
11:24 especially where we go enter into these
11:26 dark places
11:28 but that there's somebody there to guide us
11:29 us
11:32 you know though I walk through the
11:35 shadow of death thy will be with me
11:37 in many religions you have something
11:39 like that
11:42 and so you don't go into it alone when I
11:44 worked with people
11:47 it's important that because the pain is
11:50 so deep that they don't be alone they
11:53 don't feel alone you know maybe uh if I
11:56 think about it this way it's not because
11:59 again my worthless was trauma it's not
12:02 so much or just what happened to us
12:05 that really makes the difference what
12:07 makes the difference is what happens to
12:09 us in the absence
12:12 of the present connected empathetic other
12:14 other
12:17 and this we can provide to as therapists
12:21 to our clients when we're in line with ourselves
12:22 ourselves
12:25 Peter you often say that trauma is a
12:28 fact of life yes could it be that it is
12:31 even a condition for life
12:34 I think that's well said I think it
12:36 could be a condition for life
12:40 you know the birth process itself
12:44 can be very powerful and can be both
12:48 painful and you know and life and life
12:50 promoting I met once this
12:52 this
12:55 Hasidic scholar
12:58 uh I think his name was Rabbi Ginsburg
13:01 and we were talking about things like this
13:02 this
13:03 and he said yes
13:06 people are still working with the trauma
13:11 you know and there's truth to that
13:13 because everything that's happened in
13:18 the planet at all times it comes through
13:23 us if we are open to those channels wow
13:26 feel that energy yeah
13:29 yeah yeah
13:37 we can still experience
13:40 is there anything you would like to add
13:42 that was not covered by the questions in
13:45 terms of Integrity yeah I think you know
13:47 the more people that take Integrity
13:51 seriously the better it will be for all
13:57 okay thank you very much Peter you're
13:58 welcome thank you for your time yeah yeah
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