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Jeffrey Epstein was a product of at

least one element of the intelligence

community. I would bet money on it.

>> The CIA, FBI.

>> I don't know who ran him, but he knew a

tremendous amount about my scientific

work in ways that he wasn't supposed to.

Very powerful people told me I needed to

meet him. He certainly was not a

financeier in any standard sense. That

was a cover story. I need to know what

this thing was. And I want to know why

people don't investigate it. I want to

know why nobody asks for the filings.

But I think more than anything, we don't

trust our scientists because our

scientists are the most powerful people

in our society.

>> So, do you think science is being

controlled so that it can be used in a

way that's beneficial?

>> Let's put it this way. Eric Weinstein is

a renowned mathematician

>> and one of the most fearless and

provocative thinkers of our time.

>> He dissects the failures of science,

exposes elite networks, and proposes

bold new theories that could save humanity.

humanity.

>> So, top of mind for me at the moment is

the apocalypse and tropical fruit. I'm

not kidding. You're looking at the end, man.

man.

>> Do you really think this is the start of

the end?

>> Of course it is. Look at how much has

happened in the last month. And the big

problem is that we share one atmosphere.

All of humanity's eggs are in one basket.

basket.

>> So, what needs to happen to get me a future?

future?

>> So, I think Elon is 100% right. Got to

get to another sphere. But he's being a

complete when it comes to science and

he's being a total hero when it comes to

engineering. But you can't engineer your

way to the stars with the science we

have. The physics opens the universe to

you. But we have a real problem. A new

idea in physics changes the balance of

power in the world. The desire of our

government is to get the science to give

us as much power as possible. But then

they castrate the scientists, belittle

them, destroy their families, their

lives, their ability to earn because our

government isn't good enough to keep its

own secrets.

>> Do you think

>> my employer was a special informant to

the FBI? There's a doctrine that says

physicists don't have free speech.

They're stopping the world's most

important group from making progress.

Physics is the only thing that's going

to get your future. So, let's talk about this.

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>> Eric, you are a particularly captivating

individual for the very fact that you

grace so many different intellectual

subjects. As we sit here now having this

conversation, I want to know what

subjects at this moment in in time are

occupying most of your thoughts and most

of your thinking. We have uh a strong

listenership here and I think the

responsibility that I have meeting

someone like you is to understand what

we should be talking about.

>> So top of mind for me at the moment is

tropical fruit and physics.

>> I'm not kidding.

>> Tropical fruit and physics.

>> Yeah. Yeah, but that's just because

you're catching me on a particular day. >> Okay.

>> Okay.

>> And uh my my local um 99 Ranch Market

ran out of Rambutan, which I'm addicted to.

to.

>> No, I have serious issues with tropical

fruit. I'm I'm completely obsessed by it.

it.

>> What about this week? What What's been

occupying most of your thoughts this week?

week?

>> Well, the apocalypse and physics.

>> Why' you say the apocalypse? >> Um

>> Um

>> and what do you mean by the apocalypse?

Well, we're we're becoming a nerd to to

the apocalypse. We just watched

hypersonic missiles flam into a modern

city on TV, and

we're watching one of the world's most

remarkable civilizations, the Persians,

take uh direct hits from both Israel and

the US. And I'm just beside myself. I

mean, this is incredibly dramatic

if if you think about, you know, just

the idea of the Jews and the Persians

are both still here. And, you know, one

of the things that I find really just

painful is that

I care about certain certain cultures

that I know well more than others. And

these are two of my absolute favorites.

>> What's what's going on at this moment in

time? because it feels like there's more

conflict than there's ever been. And I

don't know whether that's just a bias

that I have at this moment, but or

whether I'm looking at the wrong social

media algorithm, but it feels like the

world isn't is tense.

>> Well, you're too you're too young for

the Cold War.

>> So, I don't know how old you are. >> 32.

>> 32.

>> Yeah. So, you you you really missed I

grew up in a different world where

things were tense because there were two

players and you know, it was more or

less the US and the Soviets.

And then we decided it one of the

dumbest things we ever came up with. A

very smart man came up with the dumbest

one of the dumbest ideas which was the

end of history. And you know the the

postworld war I order

is here to stop us from using the

technologies that came out of this. And

I you know I talk about this a lot.

There was a six-month period between

November of 52 and April of 53 where we

unlocked first the power of the nucleus

because we could fuse hydrogen and the

other thing we were able to do was uh

figure out the threedimensional

structure of nucleic acid in the form of

the double helix. And suddenly in in no

time flat we had access to the two most

powerful levers uh humanity has ever

had. perhaps ever will. And so we're

just not in a position to deal with

this. And the remarkable thing,

>> what does that mean, sorry, in terms of

you said we had access to the two most

remarkable things?

>> Well, the hydrogen bomb is not something

that has ever been used by anyone against

against

an enemy.

>> This is the first full scale test of a

hydrogen device. If the reaction goes,

>> So we're we're awaiting its first use in

war. We we we did use fision devices,

but we didn't use fusion devices, and

they're completely different scales.

So the Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the

only two situations in which a nuke has

ever been used against a a population,

civilian or otherwise.

And we don't know for example whether or

not I don't know um at least co had its

origins in a bioweapons program.

So at some level we're playing with

levers and tools that are so powerful.

Do you realize that the the key

ingredient that made COVID so unique

was a four amino acid sequence inserted

into spike protein. So that's 12

nucleotides coding for four amino acids

shut down planet earth for a couple of

years. That's how powerful this is, you

know, and the very few things that have

this kind of leverage. In 2017, we had a

discovery, a white paper called

attention is all you need. And oddly,

many of us dealing with AI and LLMs and

talking that language don't even realize

there's a paper that you can read that

changed everything.

uh it's eight authors out of Google I

think um and that opened up AI uh

Satoshi in 2008 2009 with the the

solution to the double distributed

double spend problem where you could

effectively port um conservation laws

from the physical world into the digital

world giving us digital gold. Uh but

just as a as a beginning,

>> these ideas that have such high leverage are

are

making us powerful beyond

any previous world with no

attendant increase in our wisdom, in our

ability to use and wield these things.

And right now you're seeing the face

where we're unveiling what does drone

warfare look like in FPV? What is

>> FPV? first person

where you know where you're looking

through the lens of the drone as it

slams into a personnel carrier. You

know, maybe maybe you've seen this on

Telegram where you're just watching

individuals being menaced by mechanical

flying birds equipped to kill them. So,

we didn't know what drone warfare looked

like. This is the beginning of drone

warfare. We didn't know what hypersonic

missiles look like when they slam into a

population center. I was just in Tel Aviv.

Aviv. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Couple months ago. And I was in, you

know, shelters because the Houthis and

some of the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza

were letting off missiles, but not like this.

this.

Persians really, you know, and by the

way, they're choosing, I think, to not

inflict maximal damage. I don't I don't

think that they they could have gotten

the body count uh a lot higher if they'd

wanted to. They're trying to speak

the language of violence in a very

measured fashion.

>> So, is this a particularly

tense moment or is it just the bias that

I have because I've not been through

these things before? Is there something different?

different?

>> You're look I can't even believe the

question. You're looking at the end, man.

man.

This is the beginning. This is a slow

roll out of a completely different

world. You've been in We've all been in

a completely artificially stagnant

bubble for decades. My entire life up

until now has been in a bubble. The only

people who have seen real life are

extremely old.

>> Who are those people that have seen real

life? Well, I would say people who went

through the depression, World War II,

you know, in China, people who went

through Ma's great leap forward, but

most of us have no idea of what like a

real pandemic like a Spanish flu or

black plague is like. We don't know what

uh Poland went through where they lost,

you know, I don't know, 20 25% of their

population to war. Look at the stat

statistics on the battle of Stalenrad.

We don't really understand. We've we

we've just our whole life has been in a bubble.

bubble.

>> You said I'm looking at the end. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

Remember all the talk about the

singularity? Like Ray Curtzswhil, we're

heading to the singularity. What is the

singularity going to be like?

You're in it.

you're looking at the disintegration of NATO.

NATO.

You're looking at people who don't know

how to maintain the systems that were

engineered by their great-grandparents

after World War II. That order

that, you know, you're from the UK.

If you think about how how the UK woke

up to the idea that they had built into

their heads that we are the masters of

the world. So you you saw the beginning

of the end of this concept of the

British Empire. That moment is coming

for the US and it may be that it's

coming for Israel or it may be that it's

coming for Iran. See, in 1967, the

Israelis felt invincible in the Six-Day

War. And then in 1973, they had the Yom

Kipper war, and all the people that they

were, you know, priding themselves as

having beaten, these ferocious enemies

that were arrayed against them woke up

on Yom Kapor in 1973 and bloodied the

Israelis and they surprised them. So,

the Israelis underestimated their enemy

and that changed the entire character of

the country. It went from being a

triumphal state that felt that David

could defeat Goliath to realizing that

Goliath was quite powerful. And you

know, the same thing is going to happen

here. You you saw the celebration that

Trump, you know, had dealt this blow to

the Iranian nuclear facilities. You you

watch the Persians come back. It's going

to we're starting to realize what the

boundaries are as people are more bold

in trying things. Maybe Xi's going to

try to cross the Taiwan Strait. I don't

know. But the era of stasis where very

little happened over very long periods

of time is over.

>> So you think this is the start of escalation?

escalation?

>> This is the start of the undoing of the

postworld war II order. The idea that

the postworld war II order is still in

place is astounding.

>> So what happens next?

>> We either scare the crap out of

ourselves and come to our senses or we don't.

don't.

>> We scare the crap out of ourselves and

come to our senses

>> or we don't. Hm. And what does that look

like? Scaring the crap out of ourselves.

>> Well, I don't know. How did you feel

about the hypersonic missiles? Like, and

we started this and I'm talking about

tropical fruit because I'm trying to

figure out whether I I should buy a

jackf fruit and stink up my wife's

kitchen, you know? And on the other

hand, I just saw hypersonic missiles

slam into the buildings I was just in

for meetings in Tel Aviv.

>> There's a a nuclear

threat that weirdly hangs over us. And I

almost feel at some deep level we all

understand and feel that threat that

there's these nine or 10 countries

around the world that have the ability

to basically wipe out all of us at any

moment. I feel like that's almost within

us all. That knowing is within us all.

>> I totally disagree. >> Really?

>> Really?

>> Yeah. I think about nothing else

sometimes and I still don't believe I

don't believe it.

>> There's a difference between knowing

something in your head and knowing

something embodied.

>> Yeah. I don't know if we're able to

distinguish whether we know it in our

head or whether it's embodied

unconsciously to the point that it's

changing how we act.

Do you know what I mean? Because I'm I'm

now aware that there's nine country and

I'm also aware of that really it's one individual's

individual's

decision as to whether those nuclear

bombs were to fly. So there's a part of

me that's I don't know maybe in

suspended disbelief or at a deeper level

feels an angst

>> but nobody knows what to do with it. And

this is part of what what Elon is all

about, which is that I am convinced that

everybody else needs to be talking about

this much more and I need to be talking

about this much less.

I talk about this all the time.

You know, people are always I want to

survive more than anything else. There's

so many things that I love about this

place and I don't like the idea that

we're all trapped here with one

atmosphere with nine individuals if you like

who could all wake up on the wrong side

of the bed and say, "Uh,

today's the day."

Part of what I'm so exercised about with

respect to the apocalypse is how many

things I want to save. I mean, this city

just went up in flames.

It's very, it focuses the mind. How many

things can I save in one car load if I

know that the police are not going to

let me come back to my home? Do you save

photos? Do you save musical instruments?

Do you save financial records? What what

is it that you save? You know, it was a

very focusing question. We're already

over it. We can't even remember the fires.

fires.

On that point of the things that give us

meaning, yeah, in our lives,

>> where do you think we're at as a society

in terms of our feelings of meaning and

purpose and connectedness to maybe

something transcendent or I was mulling

over this idea the other day. I actually

posted it on on my LinkedIn page of all

places. I said that um I think we need

to ladder up to things to feel like

anchored and content in life. like we

you know we lad we start with ourselves

and we ladder up to family then

community then maybe a mission or a

purpose and then maybe to something

transcendent and it feels like it

because of the design of our lives and

the optimization of it we we're

increasingly lading up to just ourselves.

ourselves. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> I think even in my life I'm wondering

whether there's like a layer missing

like which is the religious layer or a

spiritual layer.

>> Do you pray?

>> It's a good question.

>> You come over Friday night and pray with

us. I'd say I do pray.

>> That's pretty weak.

>> But it's not a it's not the way that I

see prayer on in movies and stuff.

>> So that's the thing, right? We have this

idea that somebody puts their hands together

together

>> and they just believe. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> But a lot of time when you're praying,

you don't really believe. You're not

sure that you're doing anything

sensible. You you feel ridiculous. >> Mhm.

>> Mhm.

>> And that's true. Even if you're a believer.

believer.

>> Do you think we need religion? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

Said the atheist.

>> Are you an atheist? >> Yeah.

But I take religion super seriously.

I don't think we're meant to live

without it.

>> That's an interesting conundrum.

>> I don't think so. Everybody gets hung up

on it. I sort of wonder what their

problem is.

>> Please explain. So, you believe that we

aren't meant to live without religion.

We're meant to be orientated by

something transcendent, but you don't

you know, there's this great trick that

I learned when I was scuba diving, which

is that your your need to breathe is

triggered by the buildup of CO2 in your

lungs. And there are all sorts of things

you can do to decrease your need to

breathe. One is you can hyperventilate.

And you can get rid of all of the CO2

that's residual. You can also inerture

your lungs to CO2 by smoking. You can

also breathe out the precious air that

your instincts tell you to hold in. You

can do all these things and then you can

go super deep. You can equal learn how

to equalize the pressure in your ears by

holding your nose and and these

techniques. And suddenly you're far

deeper than you've ever been. And you're

exploring the rocks and the fishes and

there's a turtle and there's an eel

and you get a message. You're out of air.

air.

And you look up and you see, I am really

far from the surface. This is terrifying.

terrifying.

That's what happens when you unhook

the proximate which is air hunger

from the ultimate which is the need to breathe.

breathe.

So thirst is proximate to dehydration.

Hunger is proximate to the need for nourishment.

nourishment.

In part, religion and prayer is there to

keep us from unhooking

all of these protective things and just

turning life into a hoot. You can have a

hoot without religion, but if everybody

Some point I think a president of the

United States may have said that people

who defend this country were suckers.

Something like that.

And I thought, "God damn you." Maybe

it's true even,

but how many families have have received

a a flag draped coffin

and felt pride

like we lost something precious, but we

are part of the American tapestry in a

way that few families can be. And when

we outsmart ourselves, when we unhook

all of these things,

you know, every single young woman has

an idea about what the opportunity cost

before. We didn't know what the

opportunity cost. There was no

measurement of it.

We're becoming too sophisticated. We've

got too much information. We're

deranging ourselves. We're having a blast.

blast.

and we're completely undoing all of the

superructure of the world.

The number of people who don't have

my kids make fun of me. I just go around

and it's the most normal thing in the world.

world.

I meet parents who don't harass their

own children to get married and have

families. Like what are you doing?

the superructures of the world. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> One being family family.

>> Yeah. Traditions. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Things that ground that connect you to.

>> And what are the symptoms of that

unhooking from the superructures of the world?

world?

>> How much do you care about things? How

much do you care about people saying

your name four generations out? >> Me?

>> Me?

>> Yeah. You.

>> You're probably asking the wrong person

because I just don't think legacy

matters because I'm going to be dead.

>> That's right. But you're I'm asking all

of you who believe that. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That is so sad.

It is so weird that no one cares about

their legacy because they don't see a

future. So what I'm trying to say is

I'm desperate to get you a future so

that you care.

>> What needs to happen to get me a future?

>> Something remarkable. Something utterly

remarkable because it's not it's not

going that way. And that's what that's

what the physics part is. Like I talk

about physics constantly. Physics is the

only thing that's going to get to your future.

future.

>> And how how

>> well right now the big problem is that

we share one atmosphere.

>> Yeah. So everything that can

all the really bad things whether it's

pathogens like imagine something

coidlike but far worse

or climate or uh radiation.

All of these things don't know anything

about borders. To an extent there's a

southern and a northern hemisphere that

are separate but even that's not a great

border. So, we can draw all the borders

on land that we want, but we still have

basically one or two atmospheres. And I

would really say one. And we've now

gotten powerful enough to really screw

it up,

right? And so,

>> through nukes or through carbon emissions,

emissions,

>> all three of those things. Okay? Right?

>> Everything that you care about is on one

sphere with one one atmosphere.

And I think Elon is 100% right. We got

to get to another sphere. I can't believe

believe

that he's focused on Mars. I mean, by by

sure, focus on the moon, focus on Mars,

focus on chemical rockets,

but throw a couple billion towards

physics for God's sakes. So, let us get

it. Let us get serious about exploring

the cosmos.

This is our womb. This is not our home.

We're You know, you know that song,

Closing Time?

>> No, I don't.

>> Closing time.

Uh, you don't have to go home, but you

can't stay here. I think it's about birth.

birth.

Yeah, it's time to be born.

You can't stay here.

This is completely obvious to me and I

am the only person who who talks this

way and so I sound like a lunatic and I

get tired of it. But the real reason it,

you know, it's about the mangoes, it's

about the rambutan, it's about the music,

music,

it's about all the things that I love.

So why would you want to leave?

>> I want to take it with us and I want to

see what else is out there and I want to

meet people.

>> Why don't you just stay here and fix

this planet?

>> Cuz you can't.

The odds of fixing one sphere for a

permanent future. You've already talked

about you don't care about the future.

>> I don't have children yet either. So I

don't Yeah, I don't have that.

>> But I My children don't have children

and their children don't have children

and I care about them and they're not

even here.

We've got some time left here though.

>> Well, we did.

If you looked what's happened in the

last month,

>> Do you really think this is the start of

the end?

>> I I have no idea where I am.

>> Of course it is.

The World War II order was keeping it.

It's like control rods keeping the world

from going super critical.

>> Can't we just put the rods back together?

together?

>> Have you looked at who we had an

election with Donald Trump versus Kla

Harris in the US?

Tell me what's going on in the UK. What

are we doing in the mayoral race for for

New York? I don't know if you're

watching what I'm watching. Look at the mess

mess

that's going on in Gaza.

Russia is nuclear. Israel is presumably

nuclear. Pakistan and India are nuclear.

The US is nuclear. Iran is almost

nuclear. China's pissed off about Iran

because it was trying to make a play

through the region. North Korea is watching.

watching.

UK is a very nuclear country. To say

nothing of France.

This is not going to go well. We just we

and by the way look at how much is

happening with AI, right?

right?

Everything was really stagnant. So I I

have this famous challenge that I give

people which is go into a room

and subtract the screens and forget

about style. How do you know you're not

Like drones are the beginning.

Imagine I needed a refill on my coffee

and you know you did something and a

drone brought me a coffee to not

interrupt the flow. That would we know

we weren't in 73 but in general drones

aren't a big part of our lives.

These robots I've never seen a human

robot actually doing anything other than

on YouTube where it's like doing the

mashed potato. >> Mhm.

>> Mhm.

>> So in general yeah things were just

really stagnant for a really long time.

And during that period of stagnation, we

we had this crazy narrative which is

like the dizzying pace of change is

making it almost impossible to keep up

while things were incredibly stagnant.

And so it just shows you sort of this

weird way in which our our minds can be

programmed to completely ignore what

we're experiencing.

Is there not a chance that we'll just

continue to

>> Okay, if you want to go with chance,

look, until until you're worried about

your great great grandchildren. I don't

want to have this conversation with you.

I want you to start caring about that. I

want you to go to church.

You you're heir to a great tradition.

One of the most important traditions in

the world has to be Christianity because

both Judaism and Islam are screwed up

over the law. We're legal traditions.

Christianity, not so much. And I think I

first time somebody crystallized that

for me was Sam Harris.

It's a really important point, but

you're heir to an incredibly powerful

and important tradition. And if we don't

have a Christian substrate, we're in

real trouble because all of our society

is based on on an assumption of a

Christian substrate.

You're advising me to be

Christian in tradition but not in

necessarily in belief.

>> Well, this is the thing. You're

alienated because you think that you

have to be a believer in order to go in.

Otherwise, you're faking it. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Get over yourself. That's not how it works.

works.

>> That's true. That's me just me being

honest. I do think that if I went to a

church and I I sung and I I prayed and

stuff and I didn't believe I would that

I'd be like it'd be it'd be fake. >> Okay.

>> Okay.

Do do you imagine that all those people

who go to church are just sitting there

100% sure that there's a there's a Jesus

to pray to?

>> Do you know any Christians? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. They're not like that.

They sneak off and do bad things. If

they were confident that Jesus was

watching everything that they were doing

and they were constantly talking about

how they sin,

I'm a sinner. Right? It's a very

complicated, interesting

piece of kit. And my claim is that,

you know,

I said the Lord's Prayer as part of

>> I sat in a church, a chapel at a high

school in LA that had a stained glass

window with an American soldier

trampling a Nazi flag into the stained

glass window.

was amazing.

>> How does this link to me? I was about to

say, can't don't you have faith that

we'll just be able to kind of keep this?

It feels like a bit of a standoff.

>> So, you're the one with the faith. I'm

the one who's nervous. You look, you're

the believer.

I'm not going to trust that. No, no. I'm

going to get my hands dirty and try to

do something about it. Do

>> you know what? I think in part it's

because as you said I've been alive for

32 years and through that time has been

relative peace especially in the western

world. So it's all I've ever known. So I

I'm born with this assumption that this

is just kind of how it goes. That

there's always threat but we kind of

figure it out.

>> Come to the Pacific Palisades. It looks

like Gaza. >> Yeah.

Yeah. I've got some friends that lost

their houses there. You know

>> checked out Lahina in uh West Maui recently.

recently. >> No.

>> No.

It's an absolute disaster.

>> Is AI a protagonist in this story? Is it?

it? >> Sure.

>> Sure.

>> In what in what respect?

>> Well, what do you what do you think

about it? We're going through going

through a wild revolution at the moment

and I just hear people saying the

dumbest things about it.

What do I think about I'm scared I might

say something dumb now, but

>> Well, let's try because I'm going to say

something dumb. I think well I look at

both sides of the coin and I look at the

opportunity and the and the threat. My

concern when I hear about the CEOs of

the biggest aerial companies in the

world talking about this fast takeoff is

that the transition will be too quick

for us to adjust. And when they say fast

takeoff, they mean that AGI like arrives

and it the rate of its learning

accelerates so quickly that it really um

disrupts the need for human beings to do

a lot of the sort of jobs we're doing

today that are centered on intelligence.

>> Which jobs require intelligence?

>> Pretty much all of them these days

because we've had the industrial

revolution where we've outsourced a lot

of the labor to machines. But

>> I don't think so

>> really. Yeah, I think a large portion of

our conversation was actually an LLM.

We didn't actually get to the stuff

outside of the LLM. You and I are two

chat bots for the most part. You're a

good one.

>> Thank you.

>> I'm on a huge I'm on a huge platform

again, you know, but my claim is is that

that's the really disturbing part that

more or less we're LLMs. More or less we

don't do a single intelligent thing all

day long. And the reason that they're

able to mimic us is because we don't

realize that intelligence is a last

resort for us. We try to automate

like, you know, if you think about greetings,

your assistant was very kind. I got out

of a black car that you guys sent around

and I was greeted with the phrase,

"There he is, the man, the myth." And I

knew what was coming next, the legend.

Right? because that is a sort of

humorous way of giving an intimate

greeting, but it's still an LLM.

And I'm not saying that your assistant

is an LLM. I'm saying that more or less

what we do all day long is LLM interactions.

interactions.

Hey buddy, how are you? Good. Good.

Things have been really busy. How about

you? Well, I got some travel coming up.

Kind of excited about it, but I have to

get through some work first. I

understand. That's an entirely scripted conversation.

That's why I'm trying to say that I want

to do podcasting that is outside of the

LLM model. I don't want to do just

dangerous, stupid stuff, but I want to

talk about things that I've never

explored where I don't have something,

you know, ready.

>> Do you think AI will ever break out of the

the

the LLM or will it expand?

>> I think the LLMs will.

I don't see I think that waiting for AGI

as the problem is a is a bad idea. I

think the problems are going to get here

far before AGI. I think even that the

AGI expectation is something we're

trained to do. Do you think AGI is

coming? Do you think we'll survive AGI?

Will AGBI be good or bad? All of that's

pre-programmed into you. Why do you Why

are you waiting for AGI? Did you not

alpha fold three? Did you Did you track

that? Do you know about this?

>> Is that Was that the chess game? the

well it's the chess game that became the

protein folding game. All right.

>> You want to talk about great games?

Protein folding. Now that's a game.

>> I have no no knowledge of this at all.

>> Okay. What do you know about proteins?

>> Very little.

>> Okay. Think about proteins as tiny machines.

machines. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> That there's copying machine. There's a

a scissors and a shearing machine.

There's a a light making machine. All

sorts of things. And all of those

machines are weirdly coded.

Imagine that you had like a a children's

show and uh a bunch of girl superheroes.

They all had necklaces with uh 20

different kinds of beads around their

neck. And so when they needed a machine,

they'd take off the necklace, they'd

throw it into a thing called a ribosome,

the ribosome would take these 20 kinds

of pearls and suddenly it would build

you a car or a spaceship or a gun or who

knows what. Well, that's that's that's

the story of DNA, RNA, and uh and protein.

protein.

The only thing is, isn't it weird that a

linear sequence suddenly crumples up

into a three-dimensional object that

does something? So, for example, I don't

have you ever seen um these Turkish

rabbits that glow in the dark? >> No.

>> No.

>> Okay. So, they took green fluorescent

protein out of jellyfish.

>> Yeah. and they uh spliced them into the

nucleic acids of rabbits and the Turks

bred all of these glow-in-the-dark

bunnies. And what that is is a

structure. So there's there's something

called secondary structure and protein

where sometimes you get these spirals

called alpha helyses. And then sometimes

you get a two-dimensional sheet that's

made from taking uh a switchback in in

strings of amino acids. And then if you

wrap that around, you don't have a beta

sheet, you have a beta barrel. And these

beta barrels are the glow-in-the-dark

aspect of green fluorescent protein.

Okay? And

what we didn't know was how a series of

acts and G's could code for sequences of

amino acids could form three-dimensional

structures. So if you just read DNA, you

didn't know, well, that's going to be a

a sports car. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

Alphold figured it out. For the most

part, like to a to an enormous extent,

humans were stuck there.

>> And what does that mean?

>> It means that you could uh I don't know,

you could target your enemies that have

particular regions uh on their cell

surfaces and you could come up with

proteins that only attach to them and

attack. It could mean anything. Could

mean nanoobots.

I don't know what it means, but my point

is is that that's already here and

you're not focused on it.

And you're thinking AGI. And the funny

part is is that's your LLM that got

programmed to wait for AGI.

>> Well, I heard, you know, people that I

think are very smart, much smarter than

me talk about the

>> Don't listen to them. >> Elon,

>> Elon, >> sure.

>> sure.

>> I mean, he he says that it's our biggest

existential threat is a AI. >> Elon

>> Elon

has become the outsourcing for much of

our intelligence. And if Elon means

anything to you,

he's really saying to you, "Don't listen

to me. Do something remarkable."

He's saying, "Where is everybody? Why is

there only one Elon?

There used to be lots of them?"

>> Why is there only one Elon?

>> Yeah, not the right question. Where

where did all the other Elons go?

>> Same question, is it not?

No, I think that the why is there only

one Elon makes Elon feel more singular.

You know, if you ever get a chance to go

to Capidokia or Bryce National Park in

Utah, you see what happens, which is

that you'll have a stone that was

resting on the soil and suddenly the

wind starts to erode everything except

the compactified soil right under that

stone and you get what's called a fairy

chimney or a hood. And so the claim is

is that sometimes you get these isolated structures

structures

And the key point is everything else

eroded away.

and everybody else got taken out.

What or who took them out?

Look at how much trouble Elon has being Elon.

Elon.

Look, we keep hearing about him. You know,

know,

he's on drugs. Great. take drugs. No,

I'm not kidding. Do you know how many

amazing people take drugs?

If you care about jazz, jazz is a whole,

you know, it's a history of drugs.

Whenever I'm listening to Ray Charles,

I'm hearing heroin.

Okay. What are they doing at Burning Man?

Man?

They're trying to live luxuriously under

oppression simultaneously luxuriously

and as dirty and disgusting as you'll

ever be. Hopefully, they're having tons

of eye-opening, mind-bending experiences

chasing some way of getting out of the LLM.

LLM.

And you know, my feeling about this is

it's not even honest. I I I believe that

Elon, for example, does understand that

population and growth is really

important, but I also think he just

enjoys making babies. And in in a weird

way, this idea of I'm going to have an

empire of my children is a forbidden concept.

concept.

Try explaining that to HR.

You know, it's like, what did you say at

work? So, the key point is Elon is

barely able to be Elon.

Do you think we're overestimating the

impact AI is going to have?

Because people, you know, a lot of

people see as this really fundamentally transformative.

transformative.

>> No. You don't think we're

underestimating it?

>> I think it's going to be

I I I think that what AI means to us is

is bizarre. We've we've come up with

this whole script about AGI and

it's going to take everything we do

that's repetitive is on the chopping

block. And since almost everything we do

is repetitive,

we don't need to get to AGI. We just

need to do things where lots of people

create lots of repetitive data and then

we tokenize it. We train the AI on the

tokens and then for the most part it

says, you know, it it doesn't matter. It

can be a photograph. It can be music.

Whatever it is, amino acids, just give

me a large enough data set and let me

add it and, you know, take a hike for

for a little while. I'll train on it and

then I'll know how to do that. You know

what? It's bad at things that where

there isn't much data.

So I I just I just found out about these

orphan proteins where like everybody's

got a different version of hemoglobin. >> Mhm.

>> Mhm.

>> But you know the the quadinary structure

of he hemoglobin is these four hem

groups you know four different proteins

around a central element. What happens

when you have a protein that has no

analog anywhere else? The the system

If if I train you on the blues and you

find out what a 12 bar blues progression

is, then you find out that there's a

variation where this, you know, the

second bar goes to the fourth rather

than just staying on the one for four

bars. And then sometimes the fourth bar

has a seven in it to create tension.

Okay? So, it's going to learn every

single form of the blues like that.

And because there's a large corpus of

that stuff, it's going to get really

good at blues music,

you know, as a but if you take something

that basically

never happens, it's not going to have an

easy ability to train and give you more.

So I think that AI

is almost certainly going to transform

the economy because everything that we

we know how to do through education

creates repetitive behaviors.

We don't know how to educate for

creativity and genius. We know how to

educate for doing higher level things.

So radiology is a great example.

Radiologists are, you know, some of the

first uh in the crosshairs.

I'm going to stare at some imaging

and I'm going to say, I think that's a

tumor. I think that's benign. And it's

going to say, just give me give me give

me all of these tokens. Like, well,

they're x-rays. They're cats. No, no,

they're just tokens.

So, yeah.

It's going to start to automate away

every repetitive behavior and then

what's going to be left is the tiny

number of things that aren't really

highly repetitive or things where we

really care that a human does it. Very

interesting what's happened with chess.

I don't know if you've been following

chess. I loosely understand it mainly

because I've spoken to a lot of AI

experts and they often reference chess

as as an example where

>> it was one of the first things that

humans did that we really cared about

that fell.

So they've been longer

in the AI

tractor beam than any of the rest of us

in some sense.

>> How did it fall?

>> Through Deep Blue and IBM and Gary Kasparov.

Kasparov.

But does that mean that people people

aren't interested in chess anymore? What

are you saying?

>> No, no, no. That's the whole point.

So Magnus Carlson, the greatest chess

player of our time and perhaps of all

time, was on Joe Rogan and Joe asked him

the simple question, can your phone beat

you? He's like, yeah, easily. So the

point is, we can't compete

with, I don't know, Stockfish or what,

whatever the top chess programs of our

time. I don't know anymore. But nobody

cares about those programs except for AI experts.

experts.

We care about the drama of,

you know, Anan versus Carlson,

>> two humans,

>> two humans, because it's about us. We're

we're very narcissistic in this way. And

so there was a period, and you know,

this is something that my wife uh

tried to popularize. So she said this

thing about the golden age of AI complimentarity

complimentarity

where the AIs aren't good enough to take

over from us but they're amazing tools

and so there's a period where we're

teamed up you know the prompt

engineering revolution they're not good

enough to come up with their own prompts

and a great example of this that she and

I have been talking about is the cyborg

chess era which is a period where humans

and the AI I could form teams that would

do better, but at some point the AI just

looks at the human and says, "You're

just holding me back."

>> You've got two children. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> When they're thinking about their career

prospects with all that you think and

know and believe about the future that

we're heading towards, what what kind of

career advice would you be giving to them?

them?

>> Oh, I've given them terrible career

advice. I give I gave them somewhat

different career advice. So to my son,

my my advice was do the hardest most

technical thing you possibly can do and

be prepared to use that ability, that

facility in different ways than you're

you're honing it. But train yourself

with my daughter. Um I think she cares

deeply about people and you know there's

a typical male female divide. And I'm

not, by the way, I'm not going to talk

overly much about them because I try to

keep them out.

But she is uh you know somebody who is

taking the same level of analytic

ability but putting it in the service of

the law and trying to help people who

are you know really unfortunate. She's

very idealistic. And so at some level

the law is not going to allow us to have

AI lawyers for quite some time. It's not

going to trust anything. We we've got

jury uh trials and and judges and a

legal system that's written into our

founding documents.

To the average person, I would say get

your board in the water

and prepare to paddle like all get out.

The tsunami of a lifetime is coming and

nothing your elders have seen is going

There's no good advice to give that's

specific. Let's put it this way. But one

of the things when people tell me about

their moving from one city to another, I

have a phrase that nobody likes, which

is every place is over.

Oh, I'm moving to Austin. Yeah, it's

over. Miami, it's over. Nashville, over.

You know, all these places are over. And

every occupation that is named is over.

I'm going to be a dentist,

radiologist, accountant,

teacher. These are all over.

whatever is coming. Get flexible. Get

good. Get good on a bunch of different stuff.

stuff.

Learn how to think across disciplines. I

have no idea what what's going to be

But, you know, somebody's going to come

And I I hate to tell people that you

should try to come out on top.

I don't think it's healthy to have

everyone trying to be world class.

I think you should be able to just have

a life.

Now, I have a golden retriever. I don't

know that it's the greatest golden

retriever in the world. Sometimes I

think it is, but it does a lot of dumb

stuff. But he's my golden retriever. I

just don't think it I think that this

mania for optimization. Like if you look

at your own videos, you'll find some of

the best performing videos are this is

how to succeed. This is how to get

anyone you want. This is how to get out

of a bad situation. People just want capacity.

capacity.

But for what?

Okay, you've optimized your day. You've

optimized your health. Your social media

is optimized.

Now what?

>> Now what? I don't know

>> what should be then say you know is it

the is it time to just one would say

well now I one would incorrectly say

well now I can play with my golden

retriever and then one would say well

you should have been playing with your

golden retriever the whole time

through some bizarre accident

I've gotten a chance to meet incredible

people that I don't even talk about who

I've met you You know, I've got a chance

to see the world. I haven't seen South

America, but I've seen most the other

continents other than the Antarctic.

Take somebody who hasn't had those opportunities,

opportunities,

but they got a chance to have three kids.

I'm not sure I wouldn't trade places. I

It's such a strange thing that we're

talking about optimization, all this

stuff. I I get to think about the the

substrate of the universe, theoretical

physics. I dream about visiting the

stars. I dream about multiple dimensions

of time, meeting aliens, all sorts of things.

I still think having kids was like unbeatable.

unbeatable.

I'm so sad that it's over. I'm so sad

that they moved out. I cannot believe

that I was dumb enough to live in a

society that doesn't believe in having

your kids with you your whole life.

The idea that we look at places where

kids live at home as backwards is beyond me.

me.

And shout out to uh the entire Indian subcontinent,

subcontinent,

you know. It's just like family is

But it it's just meaning is available

for you.

And again,

you know, every time I get a chance to

eat a rambutan, it's one of my favorite

fruits. Mangoes, rambutans, jackf fruit,

sithafal if you can get custard apple.

The amount of pleasure I get. I've never

had a good custard apple in the entire

time I've lived in the US. Not one. I've

had a frozen one imported from Taiwan.

You get this cheramoya. Just get out of

Great custard apple. Great sith follow.

What a pleasure to be on this earth. and

it's available to almost anyone. I just

think that you can find meaning,

you know, for God's sakes, go to Spotify

if you have a a connection, if you can

afford a connection to Spotify and put

in Pablo Casal's version of the Boach

Cello Suites.

You're as rich as you need to be. I've

flown private. I'd much prefer to listen

to Pablo Casal playing the the jealous

suites in economy than to be to be to be

deprived of real luxury.

I don't know. I just to me meaning is everywhere.

everywhere.

I can't swing a cat without hitting meaning.

meaning.

Have you always been like that or is

that something that you've cultivated?

the point about being able to swing a

cat and find meaning. So many people

that would be listening now could swing

a a 100 mile stick and wouldn't hit

meaning in their lives. But you seem to

be able to find it in the the purer

things, the more simple things. And I'm

wondering if that's something that we

can all cultivate with a change of

perspective or if it's just the way that

you've always been.

Why is Joe Rogan such a big deal? You

ever listen to Joe Rogan talk about

pugilism? Two gentlemen beating the crap

out of each other as poetry,

I could listen to Joe talk about MMA for days.

days. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, the story of Mighty Mouse, the

guy trapped in some, I don't know,

flyweight division with unbelievable

skills who never gets to meet a

formidable enemy, you know?

Do you think that's a privilege? Do you

think that there's a privilege in being

able to craft a story? Because so much

of the meaning you're describing there

comes from these great stories. And not

everybody is able to craft the story

upon seeing something. You probably look

at this item in front of me, this glass,

and create a story about it that drives

meaning that makes you feel something.

>> I worry about its manufacturer. How is

it that we got a surface of revolution?

What is what is the industrial process?

How do I take a picture of this and get

a a photograph of the machine that made

it. You know that fly that has been

buzzing around us this entire interview? Yeah.

Yeah.

>> Do you remember when Obama had a fly?

>> Yeah. And he caught it in >> Wow.

>> Wow. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> The confidence of that man.

>> See, I'd try that and I'd miss and I'd

screw it up in front of millions of people,

people,

you know? It's like I I took so much

meaning away from that fly.

>> Were you trying to or is that just a

sort of pre

>> We all did.

>> Not everyone. Some people would have

gone. How was it that you knew exactly

what I was talking about? Because he

captured a moment.

He was the girl in the red dress. You

know, there's this thing that women say,

not every woman can wear red. Well, not

every man

can grab a fly with confidence.

I I think I think we all see this. I

think we all see beauty everywhere. You

remember that movie American Beauty with

the the plastic bag that gets in the air

funnel going up?

And the key point is the ability just to

see beauty wherever you find it.

You know, everything behind you means

something to me. The letter B uh is

strange to me that there's only one

phonetic alphabet and that every

phonetic alphabet is descended from it,

you know.

I I I

basically view everything as a

hyperlink. I just want to click on the

world and see what it goes to.

>> Not everybody does though.

>> But we do.

>> They don't make the step is what I'm

saying. Because people would see the bee

and nothing would cross their,

>> you know, it's funny.

>> There's an absolutely horrible account

that has been just dogging me for years

trying to make my life miserable. And

And

>> a social media account.

>> Yeah. Doesn't matter. Yeah.

>> And the person said, "You know, one

thing I just never understand is

he's not

he's not hawking a book.

He He's just talking. Why Why are his

numbers high?"

The answer is everybody cares about this

stuff. They want an invitation.

One of the funniest things that gets

said about me on social media is he goes

on forever and he never says anything

and then like I look at the word clouds

of things that I' I've talked about and

people are just googling everything incessantly.

incessantly.

You know, if you didn't know who Pablo

Cassals was, now you do. Now you know

what a real chis sounds like. Um

I can't believe that I'm so far through

I can't believe this doesn't go on forever.

you know you want to talk about the

that river is not the Jordan River and

that sea is not the Mediterranean.

The Arab world stretches from the

Atlantic with Morocco

right up to the what is it Shhat Alabia

waterway that divides Iraq from Iran.

And I don't think

this is stable.

There is no way in which

we should be fighting like this. This is ridiculous.

Trump Trump used the F-word. I mean,

he's getting taking a ton of crap. Why

would you use the F word? Well, isn't it

interesting that people view Trump as so tacky?

tacky?

You know, he's he's got this Queen's

sort of bluster. He doesn't doesn't of uh

finalist clubs at Harvard or Skull and

Bones or whatever.

No, Trump doesn't use the F-word for a

reason. That he needs it once in a blue

moon and it better mean something.

And he said this to Iran and he said

this to Israel. These two two countries

have been fighting for so long. They

He didn't make a mistake. The rest of

the world has just forgotten how to calibrate.

calibrate.

What do you see Trump in? How is he clothed?

clothed?

He's almost always in a suit and tie and

he almost never says the f- word.

And it's carefully calibrated to get

everybody's attention. And we're so

asleep that we don't even hear it.

This is World War II and it's already started.

non-compassment meant and I was being

told don't worry there's a a committee

that has replaced him

because I was talking about the fact

that he can't be president.

I I just don't know what we're doing.

I'm so mystified by everybody else. You

I'm not Elon. I'm very different person,

but at least Elon makes sense to me.

Not 100% but 98% Elon makes sense to me.

It's everybody else that I'm completely

confused about.

>> What part of what Elon is saying makes

so much sense to you?

>> Oh jeez. Everything. One, we have to

have babies. We have to keep going. Two,

we it can't all be about problems.

You have to be excited to be alive every morning.

morning.

You have to work your ass off your whole

life. You want to know one of the most

beautiful things that ever happened?

Somebody telling Elon that he was the

world's richest human being. He said,

"Huh, it's interesting."

Amazing, right? There's no reward

that he can't have

more of by stopping work and enjoying

his wealth except doing stuff. And

I was born in this country. My parents

were born in this country. My

grandparents on one side were not, but

my grandparents on the other side were.

That cowboy spirit

that it he does all sorts of stuff I

can't stand. I don't want to see one

more of those Pepe memes ever. I really

don't. What the [ __ ] is his problem?

but Elon at his best is is the United States.

States.

You know, anything is possible here. And

we and we just waste our lives on

interpersonal drama.

He wastes his life to an enormous extent

as a troll.

I cannot. That's the part of him that I

don't understand is one why he's not

focused 100% on physics. I think he sees

it as going through grock and AI. He

doesn't want to trust humans. I think he

sees Mars as energizing to engineers and

the stars are innovating to engineers because the science there's no amount of

because the science there's no amount of engine you can't engineer your way to

engine you can't engineer your way to the stars with the science we have.

the stars with the science we have. But he's he's being a complete [ __ ]

But he's he's being a complete [ __ ] when it comes to science and he's being

when it comes to science and he's being a total hero when it comes to

a total hero when it comes to engineering.

engineering. Um,

Um, but he is the quintessential American.

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as I know, I've always been alive and it'll always go on that way. But

and it'll always go on that way. But there's another thing that, you know, I

there's another thing that, you know, I I've talked about occasionally,

I've talked about occasionally, which is I'm not the most publicspirited

which is I'm not the most publicspirited human being.

human being. You know, I I am somebody who will take

You know, I I am somebody who will take the last the last rambutan,

the last the last rambutan, you know, and I know that you're not

you know, and I know that you're not supposed to do that in almost any

supposed to do that in almost any culture on earth, but sometimes it just

culture on earth, but sometimes it just sitting there bothers me. Okay? So, I'm

sitting there bothers me. Okay? So, I'm not the I'm not the classiest person on

not the I'm not the classiest person on earth,

earth, but I'll tell you something. If you have

but I'll tell you something. If you have a kid and you have a choice about eating

a kid and you have a choice about eating the ramatan yourself or giving the

the ramatan yourself or giving the rambatan to your child, this it's a

rambatan to your child, this it's a no-brainer. You you're going to enjoy

no-brainer. You you're going to enjoy the ramatan so much more if you give it

the ramatan so much more if you give it to your kid

to your kid and you'll see.

and you'll see. >> And that's the way in which this goes on

>> And that's the way in which this goes on forever.

That's great. I mean, just how many young people do I have to yell at?

young people do I have to yell at? I don't know if I want to have kids. I

I don't know if I want to have kids. I don't want to bring anyone into this

don't want to bring anyone into this horrible world.

horrible world. >> Why do you

>> Why do you >> have kids?

>> have kids? >> It bothers you. I can see it personally

>> It bothers you. I can see it personally bothers you.

>> Do you have any idea how much hate there is right now for Israel?

is right now for Israel? Do you have any idea how destabilizing

Do you have any idea how destabilizing this action against Iran was?

this action against Iran was? Do you have any idea how many people

Do you have any idea how many people have suffered for how long under the

have suffered for how long under the mullers?

We are being cheated of Persia. I'm not talking about Iran for the

I'm not talking about Iran for the Persians. I'm talking about we are

Persians. I'm talking about we are cheated of Persia. The entire planet,

cheated of Persia. The entire planet, one of the greatest societies on earth

one of the greatest societies on earth taken off the line.

taken off the line. I look

I look You're catching me on the wrong week.

I I don't want to dwell on it. This is just incredibly irresponsible.

This is just incredibly irresponsible. We're not going to survive this.

We're not going to survive this. Israel is certainly not going to survive

Israel is certainly not going to survive this.

If the Abbramic world does not get its head out of its ass, if the Christian

head out of its ass, if the Christian world does not start to stand up for

world does not start to stand up for itself without becoming this Christ is

itself without becoming this Christ is king nightmare.

king nightmare. You know, I was in Tel Aviv before this

You know, I was in Tel Aviv before this all happened and I I just said it from

all happened and I I just said it from the stage. Make the Middle East

the stage. Make the Middle East Christian again.

Does nobody understand their role is sort of my question.

sort of my question. How can you have Bethlehem without a

How can you have Bethlehem without a strong Christian presence?

>> Have you ever been to the Church of the Holy Supplr?

Holy Supplr? >> No.

>> No. >> Can I give you another assignment?

>> Can I give you another assignment? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Get off your ass and go. You got the

>> Get off your ass and go. You got the money. Walk the stations of the cross.

And for God's sakes, stop with the issue about belief.

about belief. You can pray like the rest of us. We're

You can pray like the rest of us. We're not sure if we're praying. We're not

not sure if we're praying. We're not sure if the thing is hooked up and

sure if the thing is hooked up and anyone's listening.

You have the right to go back even with doubt, even with knowledge. And you have

doubt, even with knowledge. And you have the right to believe about a tomorrow,

the right to believe about a tomorrow, you know, where where you're not going

you know, where where you're not going to be, but people are going to be

to be, but people are going to be mentioning your name.

mentioning your name. >> When you say that your your people are

>> When you say that your your people are under attack, who are you referencing as

under attack, who are you referencing as your people?

your people? I would in general there's several

I would in general there's several groups of people that I would describe

groups of people that I would describe as my people. The Jews would be one,

as my people. The Jews would be one, dyslexics would be another, Americans

dyslexics would be another, Americans would be another,

would be another, scientists would be another. It depends

scientists would be another. It depends on on what these things think. But right

on on what these things think. But right now, I'm thinking about the Jews and I'm

now, I'm thinking about the Jews and I'm thinking about the fact that the social

thinking about the fact that the social media businesses have lost complete

media businesses have lost complete control of

control of uh the bot farms and we're just seeing

uh the bot farms and we're just seeing this unbel I I I feel like I'm living

this unbel I I I feel like I'm living through the 1930s again. I I we've seen

through the 1930s again. I I we've seen this movie before.

this movie before. It doesn't end well.

It doesn't end well. You know what happened in Gaza is an

You know what happened in Gaza is an unbelievable tragedy.

unbelievable tragedy. And that tragedy was partially

And that tragedy was partially architected by the United States of

architected by the United States of America shoving a two-state solution

America shoving a two-state solution down the throats of Palestinian Arabs

down the throats of Palestinian Arabs who absolutely do not want a two-state

who absolutely do not want a two-state solution

and the creation in part of the situation where Israel has a hand, the

situation where Israel has a hand, the US has a hand, the Palestinian Arabs

US has a hand, the Palestinian Arabs have a hand. the creation of Hamas

have a hand. the creation of Hamas and and the promotion of this just

and and the promotion of this just unbelievable genius Senoir, the leader

unbelievable genius Senoir, the leader of Hamas, who is continuing to best BB

of Hamas, who is continuing to best BB Netanyahu from the grave.

Netanyahu from the grave. You know, it's just an amazing feat.

You know, it's just an amazing feat. Nobody reads anymore, as you know. Um,

Nobody reads anymore, as you know. Um, there's an old Sherlock Holmes story

there's an old Sherlock Holmes story called The Problem at Thor Bridge. You

called The Problem at Thor Bridge. You ever heard of it?

ever heard of it? >> No.

>> No. >> So, you're British. Um,

>> So, you're British. Um, Sherlock Holmes gets called in on a case

Sherlock Holmes gets called in on a case in which

in which um

um there's a murder

there's a murder and the murder is traced the murder is

and the murder is traced the murder is traced to this gentleman who still

traced to this gentleman who still exists.

exists. Uh

Uh what Sherlock Holmes figures out is that

what Sherlock Holmes figures out is that it's not a murder, it's a suicide in

it's not a murder, it's a suicide in which the gun will

which the gun will fall into the river at Thor Bridge

fall into the river at Thor Bridge because it's tied to a weight and the

because it's tied to a weight and the person uses the suicide

person uses the suicide to frame someone else. You know, it's

to frame someone else. You know, it's just one of these genius little

just one of these genius little vignettes. And that's what Senoir was.

vignettes. And that's what Senoir was. He was a a genius. He he knew he was

He was a a genius. He he knew he was going to die.

going to die. >> Who was Sinoir? Sinoir is the person who

>> Who was Sinoir? Sinoir is the person who who's committed suicide. Sinir's suicide

who's committed suicide. Sinir's suicide was an IDF assisted suicide. I wrote

was an IDF assisted suicide. I wrote about this almost instantly after the

about this almost instantly after the October 7th invasion. It didn't make any

October 7th invasion. It didn't make any sense that Gaza would undertake such an

sense that Gaza would undertake such an act against Israel given the asymmetry.

act against Israel given the asymmetry. And what this mirrored was that before

And what this mirrored was that before the 1990s. So you think Sinoir committed

the 1990s. So you think Sinoir committed suicide to then cause the people of Gaza

suicide to then cause the people of Gaza to invade Israel on

to invade Israel on >> No.

>> No. Senoir would be happy enough for all the

Senoir would be happy enough for all the Gazins to die.

Gazins to die. And so what he did was he architected a

And so what he did was he architected a situation in which Israel would be

situation in which Israel would be compelled to respond using the wrong

compelled to respond using the wrong tools.

tools. He tricked Israel. And you know, I I'm

He tricked Israel. And you know, I I'm very confident to to talk about this

very confident to to talk about this because if you check my old tweets, I

because if you check my old tweets, I say IDF assisted suicide

say IDF assisted suicide and monken by proxy and zukwang, right?

and monken by proxy and zukwang, right? And I said these are the concepts.

And I said these are the concepts. Familiarize yourself because Israel is

Familiarize yourself because Israel is going to invade Gaza

going to invade Gaza and I knew what was going to happen

and I knew what was going to happen because took me like why would you do

because took me like why would you do this? It doesn't make sense from first

this? It doesn't make sense from first order logic, but third and fourth order

order logic, but third and fourth order logic, you're like, "Oh, of course it

logic, you're like, "Oh, of course it makes sense." This is hybrid war. The

makes sense." This is hybrid war. The most important thing for Senoir is

most important thing for Senoir is video.

>> Why? >> Look at the effect of the video. The

>> Look at the effect of the video. The video of Gaza

video of Gaza has turned the world to an extent

has turned the world to an extent against Israel that's sort of

against Israel that's sort of inconceivable.

There's a doctrine called hybrid warfare and I think it came out of

and I think it came out of the US in the early 2000s and it says

the US in the early 2000s and it says that the kinetic component of warfare,

that the kinetic component of warfare, the killing, the actual shooting and the

the killing, the actual shooting and the planes and the bombs and all this kind

planes and the bombs and all this kind of stuff

of stuff is

is not the major component.

not the major component. The social media is really important.

The social media is really important. The video is important. The mimedic

The video is important. The mimedic complex is important.

complex is important. And

And Israel has an advantage over the Gazan

Israel has an advantage over the Gazan Arabs

Arabs in kinetic warfare.

in kinetic warfare. And Senoir knew that. He was like,

And Senoir knew that. He was like, "Brilliant.

"Brilliant. All we need to do is force Israel to

All we need to do is force Israel to come after us." And this is this thing I

come after us." And this is this thing I was going to say before the 1990s we had

was going to say before the 1990s we had a spate of killings of policemen firing

a spate of killings of policemen firing on people who had pulled toy guns on

on people who had pulled toy guns on them. And we would we would say things

them. And we would we would say things and I remember this like whatever you do

and I remember this like whatever you do don't point a toy gun at a policeman.

don't point a toy gun at a policeman. You're it's don't you realize what's

You're it's don't you realize what's going to happen? And then somebody

going to happen? And then somebody coined the phrase

coined the phrase police assisted suicide.

police assisted suicide. The policeman is the instrument.

That's what I knew was going to happen. And for better or for worse, BB just

And for better or for worse, BB just couldn't figure out where he was. And BB

couldn't figure out where he was. And BB was dumber and Senoir was smarter.

was dumber and Senoir was smarter. >> Is there any way back from here? Because

>> Is there any way back from here? Because you said this is World War II.

you said this is World War II. >> Well, the the way there is, but it's

>> Well, the the way there is, but it's slim and it's evaporating.

slim and it's evaporating. >> I mean, almost everything depends on

>> I mean, almost everything depends on Saudi Arabia and the and the Iranians,

Saudi Arabia and the and the Iranians, the Persians.

the Persians. If the Persians didn't take this

If the Persians didn't take this opportunity to rise up against their

opportunity to rise up against their oppressors,

oppressors, I don't know what they're waiting for.

I don't know what they're waiting for. Yes, you're going to get killed in some

Yes, you're going to get killed in some numbers, but you have to figure out

numbers, but you have to figure out whether you're interested in tyranny or

whether you're interested in tyranny or not. So, the Persians are absolutely

not. So, the Persians are absolutely falling down on the ground on the job,

falling down on the ground on the job, not rising up against the mullers. This

not rising up against the mullers. This is a coordinated moment. Like, you know,

is a coordinated moment. Like, you know, there's there's a moment for a prison

there's there's a moment for a prison break. This would be it.

break. This would be it. >> Who are the mullers in this city? the

>> Who are the mullers in this city? the Ayatollas, the government. Yeah. The the

Ayatollas, the government. Yeah. The the theocratic government of Iran.

theocratic government of Iran. >> So, the rulers of Iran, basically, the

>> So, the rulers of Iran, basically, the people that are Okay.

people that are Okay. >> So, I don't know if if if you know a ton

>> So, I don't know if if if you know a ton of Persians. They're varied in their

of Persians. They're varied in their religiosity,

religiosity, but there's a you know, there's an

but there's a you know, there's an underground gay scene in Thrron. There's

underground gay scene in Thrron. There's super hyperodern

super hyperodern people just like you and me who can't

people just like you and me who can't stand these guys.

stand these guys. >> And so, you're saying that if they rise

>> And so, you're saying that if they rise up,

up, >> they would that would be one of the

>> they would that would be one of the parts of the solution. The other thing

parts of the solution. The other thing is Saudi Arabia and and I have to be

is Saudi Arabia and and I have to be very measured and careful here. Um,

very measured and careful here. Um, you can't fantasize about the Middle

you can't fantasize about the Middle East becoming Western Europe overnight.

East becoming Western Europe overnight. Every time we do this, we make a

Every time we do this, we make a terrible mistake. When you have a

terrible mistake. When you have a modernizer like MBS in Saudi Arabia,

modernizer like MBS in Saudi Arabia, >> who's the ruler of Saudi Arabia, right?

>> who's the ruler of Saudi Arabia, right? >> Deacto.

>> Deacto. He can't

He can't suddenly become a modern person. So, you

suddenly become a modern person. So, you know, if if we end up talking about

know, if if we end up talking about Kosogible and murders and murdered

Kosogible and murders and murdered journalists and all this stuff, the

journalists and all this stuff, the whole conversation will derail. But he's

whole conversation will derail. But he's a modernizer.

a modernizer. And there was a moment where he needed

And there was a moment where he needed to not condemn Israel publicly and thank

to not condemn Israel publicly and thank it privately,

it privately, but to say,

but to say, "We've all been terrorized by this

"We've all been terrorized by this country, and Israel did what everyone

country, and Israel did what everyone needed.

needed. We needed to rise up against the mullers

We needed to rise up against the mullers because you can't have a nuclear

because you can't have a nuclear theocracy.

theocracy. You can't have a highly developed notion

You can't have a highly developed notion of heaven

of heaven where this is the this is the anti- room

where this is the this is the anti- room where you're waiting to get into the

where you're waiting to get into the real room.

real room. that issue

that issue of needing to be rid of an as aspiring

of needing to be rid of an as aspiring nuclear theocracy

nuclear theocracy something that in that Israel undertook

something that in that Israel undertook now something that I'm going to say

now something that I'm going to say there are three words in Yiddish which

there are three words in Yiddish which you may have heard or may not may not

you may have heard or may not may not and neb

so there are three unfortunate people you don't want to be any one of those

you don't want to be any one of those three but the subtlety is that the

three but the subtlety is that the schlamile is a klutz and the schlamile

schlamile is a klutz and the schlamile spills hot soup on the schlamazle. So

spills hot soup on the schlamazle. So the schlamazle is the unfortunate person

the schlamazle is the unfortunate person to whom bad things happen and the neb is

to whom bad things happen and the neb is the weak ineffectual person who decides

the weak ineffectual person who decides that it's his job to clean up the mess.

that it's his job to clean up the mess. So the schmile spills the scalding hot

So the schmile spills the scalding hot soup on the schlamasle and the neb

soup on the schlamasle and the neb cleans it up. Now, in the US, we've got

cleans it up. Now, in the US, we've got this terrible sort of Christian

this terrible sort of Christian nationalist

nationalist uh problem that we've developed, which

uh problem that we've developed, which is what sometimes people call the woke

is what sometimes people call the woke right, where we have a bunch of people

right, where we have a bunch of people who've been badly treated.

who've been badly treated. White Christian Americans have been

White Christian Americans have been badly treated in the woke era. They've

badly treated in the woke era. They've been forced to salute everybody else's,

been forced to salute everybody else's, you know, yay for uh, you know, I don't

you know, yay for uh, you know, I don't know, Honduran lesbians day. And and

know, Honduran lesbians day. And and it's like, okay, enough. we don't we

it's like, okay, enough. we don't we don't want to do that anymore. We've

don't want to do that anymore. We've also done great things and I absolutely

also done great things and I absolutely think that they've been mistreated.

think that they've been mistreated. Yeah.

Yeah. And they've gone sort of metastatic and

And they've gone sort of metastatic and their attitude is no more wars for

their attitude is no more wars for Israel. America first. What I was

Israel. America first. What I was getting to with the Schlam Schlamas and

getting to with the Schlam Schlamas and Nebbeck is that most Americans don't

Nebbeck is that most Americans don't have any idea who Kermit Roosevelt was.

have any idea who Kermit Roosevelt was. Do you have any idea of who?

Do you have any idea of who? So the US and the UK jointly overthrew a

So the US and the UK jointly overthrew a democratically elector in Iran through

democratically elector in Iran through something called Operation Ajax.

something called Operation Ajax. We installed the Shaw and then there's

We installed the Shaw and then there's this period where everybody stupidly

this period where everybody stupidly celebrates the miniskirts and the jazz

celebrates the miniskirts and the jazz that was going through Tyrron

that was going through Tyrron which was a bridge too far. In other

which was a bridge too far. In other words, the miniskirts were a really bad

words, the miniskirts were a really bad idea because they weren't they were

idea because they weren't they were ready for some amount of modernization

ready for some amount of modernization and they weren't ready for that. And so

and they weren't ready for that. And so we pushed it too far and so we got the

we pushed it too far and so we got the mullers for 40 years and now we chop off

mullers for 40 years and now we chop off people's fingers and we pluck out

people's fingers and we pluck out people's eyes and we put homosexuals on

people's eyes and we put homosexuals on ropes and dangle them from from cranes.

ropes and dangle them from from cranes. They're barbaric bar they're horrible

They're barbaric bar they're horrible human beings. Okay, these are really bad

human beings. Okay, these are really bad men, the mullers.

men, the mullers. And we did that. So the scalding hot

And we did that. So the scalding hot soup is revolutionary

soup is revolutionary theocratic Iran. And we spilled it all

theocratic Iran. And we spilled it all over the Middle East, which is the

over the Middle East, which is the schlamazle.

schlamazle. We spilled it on Saudi Arabia. We

We spilled it on Saudi Arabia. We spilled it on Iraq. We spilled it on

spilled it on Iraq. We spilled it on Israel. Everybody suffers from having

Israel. Everybody suffers from having these people installed because of the US

these people installed because of the US and the UK instituting a problem back in

and the UK instituting a problem back in the 50s. And who's the ne

the 50s. And who's the ne who cleans this up? Israel volunteers

who cleans this up? Israel volunteers for this job.

for this job. And then Saudi Arabia pretends, "Oh my

And then Saudi Arabia pretends, "Oh my god, this is terrible.

god, this is terrible. Our our Muslim brother is being attacked

Our our Muslim brother is being attacked by our Jewish uh barbarian. I I I just

by our Jewish uh barbarian. I I I just can't believe anybody's dumb enough to

can't believe anybody's dumb enough to fall for all of this.

fall for all of this. Like, we're involved in a story where

Like, we're involved in a story where nobody can sort things out. There's no

nobody can sort things out. There's no talking heads anyone believes in. And if

talking heads anyone believes in. And if I didn't understand this, then how is it

I didn't understand this, then how is it that I have a tweet from, you know, 10

that I have a tweet from, you know, 10 days after October 7th or I appeared on

days after October 7th or I appeared on trigonometry. I'm telling you, Israel

trigonometry. I'm telling you, Israel hasn't even walked into Gaza yet. And I

hasn't even walked into Gaza yet. And I know what the strategy is.

Iran sent hypersonic missiles into the ground in Israel as a message.

ground in Israel as a message. Violence is a language. And they spoke

Violence is a language. And they spoke it well. the the mullers may be crazy,

it well. the the mullers may be crazy, but they're still Persians. They're

but they're still Persians. They're they're extraordinarily skilled. And so

they're extraordinarily skilled. And so what they did is they wasted some of

what they did is they wasted some of their arsenal saying, "You have no Iron

their arsenal saying, "You have no Iron Dome.

Dome. And we're not going to kill you. We're

And we're not going to kill you. We're going to put our missiles, we're going

going to put our missiles, we're going to waste our missiles by sending them

to waste our missiles by sending them into your Earth and try to kill no one."

into your Earth and try to kill no one." And the Israelis, these brilliant,

And the Israelis, these brilliant, genius Israelis who pull off all sorts

genius Israelis who pull off all sorts of things that the world can't believe,

of things that the world can't believe, are dumb enough, some of them, to say,

are dumb enough, some of them, to say, "Huh, they sent all these missiles and

"Huh, they sent all these missiles and they couldn't even hit anyone." And I'm

they couldn't even hit anyone." And I'm just thinking,

just thinking, do do none of you understand anything? I

do do none of you understand anything? I I just don't even know where I am.

And I'm looking at, you know, I I know Tulsi.

Tulsi. >> Tulsi got it. Yeah, Tulsi is amazing.

>> Tulsi got it. Yeah, Tulsi is amazing. >> She's the head of the intelligence

>> She's the head of the intelligence program for the United States.

program for the United States. >> Director of national intelligence,

>> Director of national intelligence, right?

right? Tulsi has seen the devastation not of

Tulsi has seen the devastation not of war, but of US action abroad. Like we

war, but of US action abroad. Like we haven't really had full wars, but we get

haven't really had full wars, but we get involved in Afghanistan or Iraq or

involved in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever. And and you know, people die

wherever. And and you know, people die and there are firefights. It's not like

and there are firefights. It's not like it has nothing to do with war, but

it has nothing to do with war, but full-on war is is a very different

full-on war is is a very different thing. We we say the Iraq war, but I I I

thing. We we say the Iraq war, but I I I want to be very careful about the

want to be very careful about the language. You know, war usually involves

language. You know, war usually involves you getting rocked at home, not just

you getting rocked at home, not just your your troops abroad.

I don't think she I don't think she appreciates the

I don't think she appreciates the gravity of the situation that somehow

gravity of the situation that somehow what we need to do is we need to

what we need to do is we need to stabilize this thing for 50 to 100 years

stabilize this thing for 50 to 100 years while we desperately try to figure out a

while we desperately try to figure out a long-term solution.

long-term solution. This idea of like just

we're not taking responsibility for the world we already screwed up.

world we already screwed up. I don't want to send Americans I, you

I don't want to send Americans I, you know, I'm not an Israeli, I'm an

know, I'm not an Israeli, I'm an American. I don't want to send my fellow

American. I don't want to send my fellow Americans to die in foreign battles that

Americans to die in foreign battles that we have no business being in. But we

we have no business being in. But we have to take ownership of our history

have to take ownership of our history with oil and energy in the Middle East.

with oil and energy in the Middle East. And

And >> what does that look like? Taking

>> what does that look like? Taking ownership?

ownership? >> Recognizing that we created the mullas

>> Recognizing that we created the mullas >> and doing what about it?

>> and doing what about it? >> And wait, wait a second, not just that.

>> And wait, wait a second, not just that. and that we also created a lot of the

and that we also created a lot of the heartache along with Sinoir and to a

heartache along with Sinoir and to a much lesser extent Israel by forcing

much lesser extent Israel by forcing this two-state solution

this two-state solution on people who would never put up with

on people who would never put up with it. Like I I lived in in Israel for two

it. Like I I lived in in Israel for two years, and you would have conversations

years, and you would have conversations with Arabs,

with Arabs, some of whom are Israelis,

some of whom are Israelis, you know, and they would say, "Look, you

you know, and they would say, "Look, you know, you just don't understand the West

know, you just don't understand the West Bank, and you don't understand the

Bank, and you don't understand the difference between the West Bank and

difference between the West Bank and Gaza,

Gaza, and they would tell me straight up,

and they would tell me straight up, you're going to get us all killed with

you're going to get us all killed with this two-state solution. Stop it."

And I, you know, it's very hard for me to hear,

to hear, but we're just having a child's

but we're just having a child's conversation about the Middle East.

conversation about the Middle East. And I will say this about the UK.

And I will say this about the UK. The British Foreign Service had a

The British Foreign Service had a different failure mode than the US. They

different failure mode than the US. They really learned the regions.

really learned the regions. They learned the dialects of the

They learned the dialects of the languages of the countries that they

languages of the countries that they were involved in. The British Empire

were involved in. The British Empire took many places that they were involved

took many places that they were involved in seriously and they have a very

in seriously and they have a very complicated legacy. You know, I'm I

complicated legacy. You know, I'm I spent a lot of time in Bombay and

spent a lot of time in Bombay and there's a lot of debate among very

there's a lot of debate among very educated Indians

educated Indians about figuring out how to think about

about figuring out how to think about the the British legacy, all of the great

the the British legacy, all of the great institutional structures that were

institutional structures that were built, all of the prejudice and bigotry.

built, all of the prejudice and bigotry. Why was such a small country able to

Why was such a small country able to colonize such a large land? Basically

colonize such a large land? Basically working with the locals. You know, it's

working with the locals. You know, it's a rich conversation. We're having

a rich conversation. We're having childlike conversations about all of

childlike conversations about all of this.

this. I'm sorry if I'm going on about this,

I'm sorry if I'm going on about this, but

but it's just a very weird thing that we're

it's just a very weird thing that we're we can't get anybody's attention.

we can't get anybody's attention. You can't even get my attention. You

You can't even get my attention. You know, I'm watching hypersonic missiles

know, I'm watching hypersonic missiles slam into the places I just was

and then I'm trying to figure out what to order through Uber Eats and it's just

to order through Uber Eats and it's just like I can't stay focused.

like I can't stay focused. It's really important to put this um to

It's really important to put this um to put this right. And the US screwed up

put this right. And the US screwed up the Middle East along with the UK really

the Middle East along with the UK really good. And we have a lot of

good. And we have a lot of responsibility. And if we want to go

responsibility. And if we want to go isolationist, I understand that. But you

isolationist, I understand that. But you first have to put back the chicken soup

first have to put back the chicken soup that you spilled.

that you spilled. >> And how'd you do that?

>> And how'd you do that? >> I'm not sure. I'm not the director of

>> I'm not sure. I'm not the director of national intelligence. I'm not I'm not

national intelligence. I'm not I'm not the secretary of defense. I'm not in the

the secretary of defense. I'm not in the Oval Office. I mean, you know, it's very

Oval Office. I mean, you know, it's very weird. I was workmates with JD Vance,

weird. I was workmates with JD Vance, you know.

you know. These these are people who are,

These these are people who are, you know, Bobby Kennedy lives one canyon

you know, Bobby Kennedy lives one canyon over from me in Los Angeles.

over from me in Los Angeles. The people around

The people around power in the US,

Godspeed, you know, just just wish them well. I don't care what party you're in,

well. I don't care what party you're in, but to to try to sabotage Trump or

but to to try to sabotage Trump or sabotage Tulsi or sabotage Pete Hex, I

sabotage Tulsi or sabotage Pete Hex, I these guys need to figure this out and

these guys need to figure this out and they need to be at a totally different

they need to be at a totally different level.

level. >> And is figuring it out peace in the

>> And is figuring it out peace in the region,

region, >> you know, the peace with between Egypt

>> you know, the peace with between Egypt and Israel is a shitty, crappy, horrible

and Israel is a shitty, crappy, horrible peace, but it's peace.

peace, but it's peace. It's not a loving relationship.

It's not a loving relationship. It's not a question of everybody going

It's not a question of everybody going back and forth between the two countries

back and forth between the two countries saying, you know, we used to be enemies,

saying, you know, we used to be enemies, now we're friends. It's a lousy, cold

now we're friends. It's a lousy, cold peace. I'll take it.

peace. I'll take it. We need to have peace between Israel and

We need to have peace between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs who can live in

the Palestinian Arabs who can live in peace. And we need the people who cannot

peace. And we need the people who cannot live in peace. We need to find someplace

live in peace. We need to find someplace else for them to be.

else for them to be. It is absolutely imperative. And by the

It is absolutely imperative. And by the way, this goes for the Israelis. there

way, this goes for the Israelis. there are small number of hardcore Israeli

are small number of hardcore Israeli settlers who cannot live uh you know in

settlers who cannot live uh you know in peace with their neighbors and it's very

peace with their neighbors and it's very important that the people who cannot

important that the people who cannot live in peace not be there.

live in peace not be there. >> Do we need to go to are are you

>> Do we need to go to are are you suggesting that we

suggesting that we focus on regime change in Iran?

focus on regime change in Iran? >> That is really the responsibility of the

>> That is really the responsibility of the Persians.

Persians. >> So I want to I want to get clear on what

>> So I want to I want to get clear on what you see as a solution because you're

you see as a solution because you're saying the Persian people have to rise

saying the Persian people have to rise up. the US need to care but not get

up. the US need to care but not get involved in that regime change.

involved in that regime change. >> I'm saying that a bunch of things need

>> I'm saying that a bunch of things need to happen if we're to have a long-term

to happen if we're to have a long-term solution.

solution. >> I make you president tomorrow.

>> I make you president tomorrow. >> I hate when people do this.

>> I hate when people do this. >> But I it's the clearest way of

>> But I it's the clearest way of understanding the actions you would

understanding the actions you would >> First of all, if I was president

>> First of all, if I was president tomorrow, I sure as hell wouldn't be on

tomorrow, I sure as hell wouldn't be on a podcast discussing strategy with you.

a podcast discussing strategy with you. >> Trump does it.

>> Trump does it. >> Yeah. I decline to answer all sorts of

>> Yeah. I decline to answer all sorts of questions on camera.

questions on camera. >> Fair.

>> Fair. >> Yeah. So my feeling is is that you do a

>> Yeah. So my feeling is is that you do a lot more behind closed doors and this

lot more behind closed doors and this idea of just handing people you're the

idea of just handing people you're the king of the world. What do you do

king of the world. What do you do tomorrow to stop you? It's like don't do

tomorrow to stop you? It's like don't do that to me because it's just it's a

that to me because it's just it's a no-win question. If I was going to I I

no-win question. If I was going to I I do a lot of Straussian communication.

do a lot of Straussian communication. I'd meet with people in private. I'd use

I'd meet with people in private. I'd use lots of carrots and sticks. I try to use

lots of carrots and sticks. I try to use long range thinking and I wouldn't tell

long range thinking and I wouldn't tell you what my plan is. And by the way, I

you what my plan is. And by the way, I very much respect Donald Trump in

very much respect Donald Trump in certain ways. One of which is is that

certain ways. One of which is is that and this confuses our friend Sam Harris

and this confuses our friend Sam Harris no end. Sam is always like, "Well, he's

no end. Sam is always like, "Well, he's not being truthful. He's not making

not being truthful. He's not making sense." He's a negotiator.

sense." He's a negotiator. You don't sit down to a negotiation with

You don't sit down to a negotiation with an open book saying, "Let me make sense

an open book saying, "Let me make sense to you."

to you." You sit there saying, "You don't know

You sit there saying, "You don't know what I'm going to do next. You don't

what I'm going to do next. You don't know how big the stick is. You don't

know how big the stick is. You don't know how much carrot there is. Maybe I'm

know how much carrot there is. Maybe I'm prepared to give you more. Maybe my

prepared to give you more. Maybe my stick isn't as big as you think. Or

stick isn't as big as you think. Or maybe it's twice as big." Do you think

maybe it's twice as big." Do you think anyone has good answers?

anyone has good answers? >> I'll be honest. I think that Trump is in

>> I'll be honest. I think that Trump is in part respected because he has some

part respected because he has some intuitions about this stuff.

intuitions about this stuff. His intuition is not to say everything.

His intuition is not to say everything. His intuition is that negotiation is

His intuition is that negotiation is more important than transparency.

more important than transparency. And at a time when everybody's craving

And at a time when everybody's craving transparency, tell me everything.

transparency, tell me everything. No, I'm not going to tell you

No, I'm not going to tell you everything.

everything. I'm going to try to save some children

I'm going to try to save some children today.

today. I'm going to threaten. I'm going to

I'm going to threaten. I'm going to cajol.

I'm going to do all sorts of things. And and you know, that's what I'd do. I

and you know, that's what I'd do. I would I would assemble the best people

would I would assemble the best people around me. I would stop giving so many

around me. I would stop giving so many press conferences. I wouldn't tweet

press conferences. I wouldn't tweet every 4 seconds. I'd be extremely

every 4 seconds. I'd be extremely strategic about it.

strategic about it. But

But you know, the situation in Tel Aviv and

you know, the situation in Tel Aviv and in Gaza makes me sick to my stomach.

And and in Ukraine, almost all of my DNA comes from Ukraine.

almost all of my DNA comes from Ukraine. At least passed through it.

At least passed through it. I've been there.

I've been there. And you know,

And you know, Russians in Ukraine, Ukraine used to be

Russians in Ukraine, Ukraine used to be known as little Russia.

This is a How are we sitting here watching this?

watching this? What [ __ ] decided in 2004

What [ __ ] decided in 2004 that we were just going to hand full

that we were just going to hand full Article 5 status

Article 5 status to former Soviet

to former Soviet republics without consequence.

It is not the case that I don't I would love to have Estonia, Latvia, and

love to have Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in NATO.

Lithuania in NATO. Not at this cost.

We've gotten really bad at at international

international understandings.

I can't stand what's happened to Europe. Europe has been completely denatured.

We're we're playing with fire everywhere. And I just I don't know how

everywhere. And I just I don't know how to talk about it because every time I

to talk about it because every time I talk about things where I'm the only

talk about things where I'm the only person who sounds like this,

person who sounds like this, it's bad for my life.

Look, if if you're in general a Ukraine hawk and you say, you know, we need to

hawk and you say, you know, we need to make sure that Ukraine is completely

make sure that Ukraine is completely supported so that they don't give an

supported so that they don't give an inch of territory. Yeah, you'll take a

inch of territory. Yeah, you'll take a lot of crap, but you'll be in a large

lot of crap, but you'll be in a large group.

group. And if you basically have the idea that

And if you basically have the idea that Russia, you know, was minding its own

Russia, you know, was minding its own business and the US was encircling it

business and the US was encircling it and good Russia, bad US,

and good Russia, bad US, you'll have a lot of company for that

you'll have a lot of company for that perspective.

perspective. I don't sound like any of that.

I don't sound like any of that. The most important thing is to stabilize

The most important thing is to stabilize the world again. And we're not going to

the world again. And we're not going to get another chance like World War II if

get another chance like World War II if we're not smart. We're crazy to give up

we're not smart. We're crazy to give up this order that we have. And again, you

this order that we have. And again, you know, one more time I'm talking about

know, one more time I'm talking about this stuff. And I don't want to be

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talking about this stuff. Elon is 100% right. We can't talk about problems all

right. We can't talk about problems all the time. It's cheap meaning.

the time. It's cheap meaning. There's an entire universe to explore

There's an entire universe to explore and we're sitting here focused on our

and we're sitting here focused on our own drama always and I'm getting sucked

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this picture that I came across. >> Tell me.

>> Tell me. >> Um well, I'd love you to tell me. This

>> Um well, I'd love you to tell me. This is the flower of life geometric model.

is the flower of life geometric model. And I was I was reading through some of

And I was I was reading through some of your work and I came across this

your work and I came across this sentence that said you'd kept a secret

sentence that said you'd kept a secret for 30 years

for 30 years in terms of your belief about the nature

in terms of your belief about the nature of the reality that we live in and that

of the reality that we live in and that you thought maybe it was more than just

you thought maybe it was more than just the dimensions we experience. Maybe

the dimensions we experience. Maybe there was 14 dimensions.

there was 14 dimensions. I've always I wonder this a lot, you

I've always I wonder this a lot, you know, because we we're fixated on

know, because we we're fixated on problems. We're fixated on what we see

problems. We're fixated on what we see and what we hear and what we feel. But I

and what we hear and what we feel. But I wonder sometimes if if even that is an

wonder sometimes if if even that is an illusion. I I've spent a lot of time

illusion. I I've spent a lot of time actually thinking recently about the

actually thinking recently about the simulation theory and is this whole

simulation theory and is this whole reality just some simulation on some

reality just some simulation on some kid's video game in another dimension.

kid's video game in another dimension. Um so I thought you know you're a

Um so I thought you know you're a physicist.

physicist. >> Do me a favor. Put that in a triangle

>> Do me a favor. Put that in a triangle pattern here. Okay. So we have three

pattern here. Okay. So we have three mugs.

mugs. Think of those as vertices of a

Think of those as vertices of a tetrahedrin and think of this coaster

tetrahedrin and think of this coaster floating here as the fourth vertex.

floating here as the fourth vertex. >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> For every two vertices. So the number of

>> For every two vertices. So the number of vertices we would agree is four.

vertices we would agree is four. >> Yeah. What's what does verticy mean?

>> Yeah. What's what does verticy mean? >> Points.

>> Points. >> Yeah. 1 2 3 four.

>> Yeah. 1 2 3 four. >> Idealize these three things and this as

>> Idealize these three things and this as points.

points. >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Draw a line segment between all of these

>> Draw a line segment between all of these four vertices. How many line segments

four vertices. How many line segments are there?

are there? >> One, two, three, four, five, six. Six.

>> One, two, three, four, five, six. Six. >> Yep. So there's six edges, four

>> Yep. So there's six edges, four vertices. How many triangular faces that

vertices. How many triangular faces that have three vertices on them?

have three vertices on them? >> Oh, four.

>> Oh, four. >> Yeah. This is how to think about the

>> Yeah. This is how to think about the actual dimensions that we have open to

actual dimensions that we have open to us. The four faces we know about.

us. The four faces we know about. The key point that I was trying to get

The key point that I was trying to get at is I don't believe that you just have

at is I don't believe that you just have the four dimensions. I believe that you

the four dimensions. I believe that you have all six edges are dimensions

have all six edges are dimensions and all four vertices are also

and all four vertices are also dimensions.

dimensions. I'm talking about a hidden world.

I'm talking about a hidden world. It's very interesting. Physics has gone

It's very interesting. Physics has gone stagnant in terms of how we usually

stagnant in terms of how we usually measure progress. The the way we measure

measure progress. The the way we measure progress is the change in something

progress is the change in something called the action or the lrangeian the

called the action or the lrangeian the specialized device and that used to

specialized device and that used to change a lot and then in 1973 it stopped

change a lot and then in 1973 it stopped changing.

changing. The major thing that we have is we have

The major thing that we have is we have no new ideas about how to change the

no new ideas about how to change the lrangeian that anybody finds that

lrangeian that anybody finds that exciting or interesting. So there's been

exciting or interesting. So there's been no progress. Nobody goes to Stockholm to

no progress. Nobody goes to Stockholm to get a Nobel Prize because they changed

get a Nobel Prize because they changed the lrangeian of the world.

the lrangeian of the world. >> What's the langrian?

>> What's the langrian? >> The lrangeian.

>> The lrangeian. So you probably think about physics in

So you probably think about physics in terms of equations like Maxwell's

terms of equations like Maxwell's equations or the Einstein equations or

equations or the Einstein equations or whatever.

whatever. Think about an equation

Think about an equation as being not the primary thing that

as being not the primary thing that physicists think about. So I give this

physicists think about. So I give this example. The Beatles had four basically

example. The Beatles had four basically different configurations.

different configurations. When Ringo was the front man, he was

When Ringo was the front man, he was singing Octopus's Garden. George

singing Octopus's Garden. George Harrison is singing While My Guitar

Harrison is singing While My Guitar Gently Weeps. You know, uh Paul is

Gently Weeps. You know, uh Paul is singing about Penny Lane and John is

singing about Penny Lane and John is singing about Strawberry Fields Forever.

singing about Strawberry Fields Forever. Those four equations,

Those four equations, those would be those different

those would be those different configurations of the Beatles with one

configurations of the Beatles with one of them front and everybody else backing

of them front and everybody else backing the front man

the front man would be the equations. But the Beatles

would be the equations. But the Beatles would be the Lrangeian. It's the thing

would be the Lrangeian. It's the thing that generates the four different

that generates the four different configurations.

configurations. >> Okay? And there's this bizarre force

>> Okay? And there's this bizarre force field that anybody who wants to talk

field that anybody who wants to talk about physics and doing something new in

about physics and doing something new in particular leaving or traversing time

particular leaving or traversing time or multiple dimensions of time. Anything

or multiple dimensions of time. Anything that's really close to what might be

that's really close to what might be possible gets slammed.

possible gets slammed. We don't know why

We don't know why because it's very cheap to explore ideas

because it's very cheap to explore ideas and we have no new ideas.

But the only thing about a new idea in physics is that a new idea changes the

physics is that a new idea changes the balance of power in the world. Do you

balance of power in the world. Do you remember the thing I was saying about

remember the thing I was saying about Alpha Fold 3?

Alpha Fold 3? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Alpha Fold 3 changed the balance of

>> Alpha Fold 3 changed the balance of power in the world. Bitcoin changed the

power in the world. Bitcoin changed the balance of power in the world. The

balance of power in the world. The diffuse proposal

diffuse proposal from the ecoalth alliance

from the ecoalth alliance changed the balance of power in the

changed the balance of power in the world if that was the source of the co

world if that was the source of the co virus.

virus. Anytime somebody has a really big idea

Anytime somebody has a really big idea and the biggest idea and you know I talk

and the biggest idea and you know I talk about this people don't grasp it

about this people don't grasp it probably the most dangerous thought

probably the most dangerous thought anyone has ever had

anyone has ever had was Rutherford in 1911 saying I wonder

was Rutherford in 1911 saying I wonder whether

whether there's a neutral version of the proton.

but it's hard to send a proton into a bunch of protons because it's positively

bunch of protons because it's positively charged and a massive nucleus is really

charged and a massive nucleus is really positively charged. And so there's a

positively charged. And so there's a repulsion.

repulsion. If there's a neutral version of the

If there's a neutral version of the proton, and these things are barely

proton, and these things are barely stuck together with a strong force, even

stuck together with a strong force, even though they're trying to scream away

though they're trying to scream away from each other because they want

from each other because they want they're all positively charged, you can

they're all positively charged, you can send a neutral version of the proton

send a neutral version of the proton right into the center.

right into the center. tap and just imagine you have a bunch of

tap and just imagine you have a bunch of magnets that are trying to flee from

magnets that are trying to flee from each other and the velcro around them is

each other and the velcro around them is barely holding it together. So now you

barely holding it together. So now you you have a bullet in the form of a

you have a bullet in the form of a neutral proton, a neutron, and it hits

neutral proton, a neutron, and it hits this thing where the magnets want to

this thing where the magnets want to come apart and the velcro is barely

come apart and the velcro is barely holding it together. Well, that idea

holding it together. Well, that idea led to the chain reaction

led to the chain reaction >> and the nuclear bomb.

>> and the nuclear bomb. >> Well, that that was the fision bomb and

>> Well, that that was the fision bomb and then a geometer. So I'm a geometer and

then a geometer. So I'm a geometer and not a physicist. And a physicist named

not a physicist. And a physicist named Edward Teller and the geometer is named

Edward Teller and the geometer is named Stannis Loss Ulong

Stannis Loss Ulong said, "I wonder if there's a way to take

said, "I wonder if there's a way to take the chemical bomb that creates the

the chemical bomb that creates the fision bomb and use the fision bomb as

fision bomb and use the fision bomb as the detonator for a fusion bomb."

the detonator for a fusion bomb." So bomb number one, bomb number two,

So bomb number one, bomb number two, bomb number three. And what they figured

bomb number three. And what they figured out was is that the only way to create

out was is that the only way to create that

that is to reflect light

is to reflect light in a particular way to compress

in a particular way to compress hydrogen into helium and release

hydrogen into helium and release energy

energy because anything other than light

because anything other than light wouldn't get to this the tertiary stage

wouldn't get to this the tertiary stage fast enough before the atomic bomb like

fast enough before the atomic bomb like you're using a Hiroshima Nagasaki as a

you're using a Hiroshima Nagasaki as a detonator. That's how crazy it is.

detonator. That's how crazy it is. So that chain of ideas, which is maybe

So that chain of ideas, which is maybe there's a neutral version of the proton,

there's a neutral version of the proton, maybe I can send that into the middle of

maybe I can send that into the middle of an atom that's very heavy that was built

an atom that's very heavy that was built in a stellar collision.

in a stellar collision. Maybe if I have a bunch of those uranium

Maybe if I have a bunch of those uranium or plutonium type things, each one when

or plutonium type things, each one when they break apart will have more neutrons

they break apart will have more neutrons inside. That is more neutral protons

inside. That is more neutral protons that will hit more nuclei that will

that will hit more nuclei that will release more energy. And maybe that can

release more energy. And maybe that can then focus the light, the gamma

then focus the light, the gamma radiation that comes off of this thing

radiation that comes off of this thing or who knows what

or who knows what to compress a narrow rod to create

to compress a narrow rod to create fusion which only occurs on the sun in

fusion which only occurs on the sun in the sun but but do it on Earth. So we're

the sun but but do it on Earth. So we're going to take a little bit of the sun on

going to take a little bit of the sun on Earth. That chain of ideas

Earth. That chain of ideas was the most dangerous thing anybody's

was the most dangerous thing anybody's ever thought.

ever thought. And that's why when you try to do

And that's why when you try to do physics, you don't know. Why are people

physics, you don't know. Why are people making fun of me? Why are they being

making fun of me? Why are they being mean? Why are they dissuading me from

mean? Why are they dissuading me from talking? I don't know.

talking? I don't know. >> You have a suspicion.

>> You have a suspicion. >> Well, there was a guy named Jack Raper,

>> Well, there was a guy named Jack Raper, the unfortunately named Mr. Jack Raper,

the unfortunately named Mr. Jack Raper, who was a reporter in Cleveland

who was a reporter in Cleveland who for some reason during the war in

who for some reason during the war in 1944 decided to vacation in New Mexico.

1944 decided to vacation in New Mexico. So he goes to New Mexico and he comes

So he goes to New Mexico and he comes back and he says, "I've got a crazy

back and he says, "I've got a crazy story.

story. There's a city that nobody knows about

There's a city that nobody knows about with a mayor who's supposed to be the

with a mayor who's supposed to be the second Einstein

second Einstein and it's the most secretive city in the

and it's the most secretive city in the world. And the mayor is working on a

world. And the mayor is working on a doomsday weapon and even the people who

doomsday weapon and even the people who live in the city don't know what it is."

live in the city don't know what it is." And he writes the story of Los Alamos

And he writes the story of Los Alamos and publishes it in 1944.

and publishes it in 1944. The scoop of the millennium to say

The scoop of the millennium to say nothing of the century. Nobody knows

nothing of the century. Nobody knows about this article and it's called

about this article and it's called Forbidden City.

>> We pretended that it never happened. >> For those that don't know, Los Alamos is

>> For those that don't know, Los Alamos is where the atomic the nuclear bomb was, I

where the atomic the nuclear bomb was, I guess, conceived and brought to life and

guess, conceived and brought to life and tested.

tested. >> Well, it was really it was really

>> Well, it was really it was really designed there and most of the nuclear

designed there and most of the nuclear processing took place at other sites,

processing took place at other sites, whether Hanford or Oakidge, I'm not

whether Hanford or Oakidge, I'm not sure.

sure. And it was tested a short distance away

And it was tested a short distance away uh at the Trinity site. So go watch the

uh at the Trinity site. So go watch the movie Oenheimer if you will. But this is

movie Oenheimer if you will. But this is why physics physicists are the only

why physics physicists are the only occupation in the country that doesn't

occupation in the country that doesn't have full free speech.

have full free speech. So, are you suggesting that there's

So, are you suggesting that there's dangers in believing in more dimensions

dangers in believing in more dimensions that maybe some people might not want to

that maybe some people might not want to be known in the same way that we didn't

be known in the same way that we didn't want the

want the >> My point is I don't think our government

>> My point is I don't think our government knows the real secrets of physics. If I

knows the real secrets of physics. If I had to make a bet tomorrow, I don't

had to make a bet tomorrow, I don't think there's a secret government office

think there's a secret government office that knows physics.

that knows physics. >> Okay. Mhm.

>> Okay. Mhm. >> I think that there were a bunch of very

>> I think that there were a bunch of very smart people who knew how dangerous

smart people who knew how dangerous physics was and that the idea that we

physics was and that the idea that we would continue to do it in public struck

would continue to do it in public struck them as insane

them as insane >> because it could lead to destruction.

>> because it could lead to destruction. >> When I tell you that the most dangerous

>> When I tell you that the most dangerous idea in human history is maybe there's a

idea in human history is maybe there's a neutral version of the proton, that's

neutral version of the proton, that's supposed to sound insane.

supposed to sound insane. But the entire chain of ideas results

But the entire chain of ideas results in nuclear fusion happening on Earth at

in nuclear fusion happening on Earth at the direction of the president of the

the direction of the president of the United States. And that's what I'm

United States. And that's what I'm trying to get at which people don't

trying to get at which people don't understand which is you probably don't

understand which is you probably don't even realize that the department of

even realize that the department of energy is really the department of

energy is really the department of physics

physics because we we we pretend that it's the

because we we we pretend that it's the department of energy. Like we had a war

department of energy. Like we had a war department that became the department of

department that became the department of defense. We're scared of the possibility

defense. We're scared of the possibility of physics.

of physics. >> We don't even want to talk about it.

>> We don't even want to talk about it. The the literally no other occupation

has lost free speech like physics. There's a special doctrine called

There's a special doctrine called restricted data that says you cannot

write physics on a napkin even if you have nothing to do with the

even if you have nothing to do with the government. I think even if you're not

government. I think even if you're not an American

an American if it has anything that could possibly

if it has anything that could possibly have to do with nuclear weapons. In

have to do with nuclear weapons. In other words, any advance

other words, any advance that might have to do with nuclear

that might have to do with nuclear weapons,

weapons, you have to recognize that the instant

you have to recognize that the instant you put pen to paper or you start

you put pen to paper or you start talking to somebody, you're committing

talking to somebody, you're committing a violation of the 1917 Espionage Act.

a violation of the 1917 Espionage Act. And if you think that's crazy, start

And if you think that's crazy, start exploring the words restricted data,

exploring the words restricted data, 1917 Espionage Act, 1946 and 1954 Atomic

1917 Espionage Act, 1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts, the doctrine of born

Energy Acts, the doctrine of born secret.

secret. It is illegal to pursue Q clearance data

It is illegal to pursue Q clearance data if you don't have a Q clearance. But if

if you don't have a Q clearance. But if you're creating Q clearance data out of

you're creating Q clearance data out of your own head as a byproduct of trying

your own head as a byproduct of trying to do physics,

to do physics, you are actually potentially committing

you are actually potentially committing a capital offense.

a capital offense. >> And your theory of everything, your

>> And your theory of everything, your theory, the theory you just talked to me

theory, the theory you just talked to me about there, what does that mean for the

about there, what does that mean for the for the average person that's listening

for the average person that's listening to this in terms of that they should

to this in terms of that they should >> Well, this is my point. Did Rutherford

>> Well, this is my point. Did Rutherford know what he was doing?

know what he was doing? >> No.

>> No. >> So, I talk about this a lot, but I do

>> So, I talk about this a lot, but I do think it's probably one of the greatest

think it's probably one of the greatest lyrics ever in any song. And

lyrics ever in any song. And unfortunately, it occurs in a song that

unfortunately, it occurs in a song that got way too popular. Um,

got way too popular. Um, the baffled king composing Hallelujah.

the baffled king composing Hallelujah. That line,

That line, a baffled king does not realize what he

a baffled king does not realize what he is doing when he composes. Rutherford

is doing when he composes. Rutherford was a baffled king.

was a baffled king. Maybe there is a neutral version of the

Maybe there is a neutral version of the proton.

proton. He was composing the end of the human

He was composing the end of the human race.

race. >> And your ideas about the nature of

>> And your ideas about the nature of reality.

reality. >> I'm a baffled person.

>> I'm a baffled person. >> And your proposal.

>> And your proposal. >> I am baffled. I don't know what it leads

>> I am baffled. I don't know what it leads to is what I'm trying to tell you.

to is what I'm trying to tell you. >> But your assertion is that there's more

>> But your assertion is that there's more than this dimension that we understand

than this dimension that we understand and more than

and more than >> I'm telling you that I can name for you

>> I'm telling you that I can name for you what particles there are left to be

what particles there are left to be found.

found. >> Mhm. And the what comes back to me

>> Mhm. And the what comes back to me is you don't have any predictions. And

is you don't have any predictions. And I'm thinking

I'm thinking this doesn't even make sense.

this doesn't even make sense. Literally, I'm telling you there are

Literally, I'm telling you there are maybe there's a neutral version of the

maybe there's a neutral version of the proton doesn't begin to talk about all

proton doesn't begin to talk about all the things that I'm talking about.

the things that I'm talking about. So many new forces, so many new

So many new forces, so many new particles, ways to go in. There's no

particles, ways to go in. There's no longer an arrow of time in my theory.

longer an arrow of time in my theory. So you could live forever theoretically.

So you could live forever theoretically. >> What does it mean

if if you think about a final theory? And again, by the way, I just want to

And again, by the way, I just want to say something. I say my theory sometimes

say something. I say my theory sometimes when I'm having to defend it, but it

when I'm having to defend it, but it isn't mine. It it it just is.

isn't mine. It it it just is. You know, Everest didn't belong

You know, Everest didn't belong to Sir Edmund Hillary or to Mallerie or

to Sir Edmund Hillary or to Mallerie or even to the surveyor for whom the

even to the surveyor for whom the mountain is named.

mountain is named. When you chose to make the first descent

When you chose to make the first descent on Everest,

on Everest, you just chose a route and then you e

you just chose a route and then you e either did or did not traverse the

either did or did not traverse the route. We don't know whether Mallalerie

route. We don't know whether Mallalerie may have succeeded, but my point is that

may have succeeded, but my point is that this isn't my theory.

this isn't my theory. There is a theory that's there. It might

There is a theory that's there. It might be wrong. It's possible. I may have

be wrong. It's possible. I may have screwed it up,

screwed it up, but

it's got so much in it that I have no idea what it means.

idea what it means. >> And the simple way to understand this

>> And the simple way to understand this theory is that there's dimensions that

theory is that there's dimensions that exist beyond the ones that we know.

exist beyond the ones that we know. >> We already know from Einstein that these

>> We already know from Einstein that these dimensions are implicitly in Einstein's

dimensions are implicitly in Einstein's theory. Every single dimension that I'm

theory. Every single dimension that I'm talking about is being constructed out

talking about is being constructed out of the four that we began with. When I

of the four that we began with. When I put the cups here and the coaster,

put the cups here and the coaster, the edges were calculated from the

the edges were calculated from the vertices and the faces were calculated

vertices and the faces were calculated from the edges.

from the edges. >> My point being these dimensions are

>> My point being these dimensions are already here.

already here. And because the dimensions are already

And because the dimensions are already here, they were already present in

here, they were already present in Einstein's theory all along. When you

Einstein's theory all along. When you ask for what Einstein's real equation

ask for what Einstein's real equation is, we actually don't think about it

is, we actually don't think about it that way. We call it the Einstein field

that way. We call it the Einstein field equations plural. How many of them are

equations plural. How many of them are there? 10. Why are there 10?

there? 10. Why are there 10? Because there are

Because there are six edges

six edges and four vertices that weren't accounted

and four vertices that weren't accounted for. They're already in Einstein's

for. They're already in Einstein's theory.

We just didn't take them seriously as directions you could go in.

directions you could go in. >> You've heard about this simulation

>> You've heard about this simulation theory, haven't you?

theory, haven't you? >> Well, I don't want to talk about it

>> Well, I don't want to talk about it >> really.

>> really. >> Well, again, it's the LLM problem. The

>> Well, again, it's the LLM problem. The really interesting thing comes from I

really interesting thing comes from I don't know. And maybe the maybe the

don't know. And maybe the maybe the cosmos is traversible.

cosmos is traversible. Maybe times travel replaces time travel.

You see, if I flip all of the dimensions of time and space, so I have one of

of time and space, so I have one of time, three of space in Einstein's

time, three of space in Einstein's theory. Okay, the time dimension gets a

theory. Okay, the time dimension gets a minus sign. The three spatial dimensions

minus sign. The three spatial dimensions get a plus sign.

get a plus sign. >> And the three spatial dimensions are

>> And the three spatial dimensions are >> X, Y, and Z.

>> X, Y, and Z. >> Yeah,

>> Yeah, >> zed, forgive me.

>> zed, forgive me. >> Which is for for a simple person,

>> Which is for for a simple person, >> depth, width, and height.

>> depth, width, and height. >> Yeah, you can go like forward,

>> Yeah, you can go like forward, backwards, up, down.

backwards, up, down. >> Right.

>> Right. >> Okay. So, we have three dimensions

>> Okay. So, we have three dimensions there. And then we have one of time

there. And then we have one of time because the conversation takes place

because the conversation takes place over time. You're moving around.

over time. You're moving around. Now flip

Now flip the time dimension to being plus when it

the time dimension to being plus when it was minus before and all the plus

was minus before and all the plus dimensions to being minus. So I have now

dimensions to being minus. So I have now I have three time dimensions and one

I have three time dimensions and one space dimension. It would look exactly

space dimension. It would look exactly the same.

The one space dimension would take the function of time and the three time

function of time and the three time dimensions would have the function of

dimensions would have the function of space. We don't even teach people the

space. We don't even teach people the idea

idea that there is not necessarily an arrow

that there is not necessarily an arrow of time if time is not one-dimensional.

of time if time is not one-dimensional. The only dimension that has an arrow is

The only dimension that has an arrow is one. If something has one dimension, you

one. If something has one dimension, you can say,

can say, and you know, I tried to do this on

and you know, I tried to do this on Rogan. I said, "If you have a cassette

Rogan. I said, "If you have a cassette tape and you want to go back to an

tape and you want to go back to an earlier song, again, your younger

earlier song, again, your younger listeners will have no idea what we're

listeners will have no idea what we're talking about." Um, you have to go back

talking about." Um, you have to go back through all of the songs before, but if

through all of the songs before, but if you have a stylus on a turntable, some

you have a stylus on a turntable, some of them will be hipsters with vinyl in

of them will be hipsters with vinyl in their own homes. You can lift the stylus

their own homes. You can lift the stylus up and it doesn't need to go back and

up and it doesn't need to go back and unplay each song in reverse.

unplay each song in reverse. >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Okay. You may be able to go back in time

>> Okay. You may be able to go back in time without going back through time.

I don't know what this means, but it's a lot like saying maybe there's a neutral

lot like saying maybe there's a neutral version of the proton. Now, what I'm

version of the proton. Now, what I'm concerned about is that essentially none

concerned about is that essentially none of my physics friends know that there is

of my physics friends know that there is a doctrine of restricted data. They've

a doctrine of restricted data. They've never heard of the 1946 and 54 atomic

never heard of the 1946 and 54 atomic energy acts. They don't know that the

energy acts. They don't know that the department of energy that funds them is

department of energy that funds them is really the the department of physics.

really the the department of physics. They don't know the extent to which we

They don't know the extent to which we went to hide all of this stuff. They

went to hide all of this stuff. They don't know that they're not allowed to

don't know that they're not allowed to talk to foreign nationals from hostile

talk to foreign nationals from hostile nations on our own soil because of a

nations on our own soil because of a doctrine called deemed exports. There's

doctrine called deemed exports. There's an entire hidden world of national

an entire hidden world of national security. And the penalty for talking

security. And the penalty for talking about national security with people who

about national security with people who don't live that is that you're a

don't live that is that you're a conspiracy theorist. It's like, do you

conspiracy theorist. It's like, do you have this terminology? Do you know the

have this terminology? Do you know the axe? Do you want to Google it? Well,

axe? Do you want to Google it? Well, you're This is also just something

you're This is also just something that's really interesting about the UFO

that's really interesting about the UFO UAP world. We had this admission

UAP world. We had this admission recently

recently that the government knew that at a

that the government knew that at a minimum, and again, I don't think this

minimum, and again, I don't think this is by anywhere close to the full story.

is by anywhere close to the full story. At a minimum there were secret fake

At a minimum there were secret fake special access programs. Do you know

special access programs. Do you know about special access programs? Su super

about special access programs? Su super secret programs are called special

secret programs are called special access programs.

access programs. Then there's a further category called

Then there's a further category called unagnowledged special access programs or

unagnowledged special access programs or USPS which is you can know that a

USPS which is you can know that a special access program exists

special access program exists like you know maybe warhead recovery is

like you know maybe warhead recovery is a might be a known one but then like

a might be a known one but then like there might be an uncknowledged special

there might be an uncknowledged special access program which is like theft of

access program which is like theft of foreign nuclear warheads which we it's

foreign nuclear warheads which we it's not even on the books only only the

not even on the books only only the super secret lawmakers uh you know in

super secret lawmakers uh you know in the gang of eight or whatever it can

the gang of eight or whatever it can know that that exists. And then there

know that that exists. And then there are further designations of secretness.

are further designations of secretness. There's waved and bigoted. So you can

There's waved and bigoted. So you can have like a waved bigoted unagnowledged

have like a waved bigoted unagnowledged special access program and you don't

special access program and you don't know any of this language.

know any of this language. And then there's this chorus of morons

And then there's this chorus of morons who the instant you start to educate

who the instant you start to educate people about the existence of the sup

people about the existence of the sup super secret squirrel club

super secret squirrel club rise up and say

rise up and say this is all conspiracy theory

this is all conspiracy theory and you're saying wait a second we just

and you're saying wait a second we just admitted in UFO UAP land that we have a

admitted in UFO UAP land that we have a fake special access program which I

fake special access program which I predicted on Joe Rogan. And I said, "We

predicted on Joe Rogan. And I said, "We may be faking a UFO situation."

The cost and the penalty at a personal level for letting people know how the

level for letting people know how the government keeps secrets is personal

government keeps secrets is personal destruction.

destruction. >> The US faked UFO program.

>> The US faked UFO program. >> Yes, correct. You don't know about this.

>> Yes, correct. You don't know about this. I think the Wall Street Journal had an

I think the Wall Street Journal had an article about it. So these guys knew

article about it. So these guys knew when they filed their reports on the UFO

when they filed their reports on the UFO UAP that there actually is at a minimum

UAP that there actually is at a minimum a fake UFO UAP program.

a fake UFO UAP program. >> Why would they want to fake UFOs?

>> This is so weird. Did you did you happen to watch Joe

Did you did you happen to watch Joe Rogan episode 1945 where I talked about

Rogan episode 1945 where I talked about the whole history of the golden age of

the whole history of the golden age of general relativity and its relationship

general relativity and its relationship to UFO UAP anti-gravity research and the

to UFO UAP anti-gravity research and the atomic bomb?

atomic bomb? >> I didn't know.

>> I didn't know. >> Okay.

>> Okay. When we invaded

When we invaded the beaches of Normandy on D-Day,

the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, that was called Operation Overlord.

that was called Operation Overlord. We had an entirely fake invasion planned

We had an entirely fake invasion planned of Norway called Operation Fortitude

of Norway called Operation Fortitude that was part of Operation Bodyguard,

that was part of Operation Bodyguard, which is part of just total deception.

which is part of just total deception. And why? Because we were building up

And why? Because we were building up troops to do something huge. So we tried

troops to do something huge. So we tried to convince, we like planted plans for

to convince, we like planted plans for the invasion of Norway on dead bodies to

the invasion of Norway on dead bodies to wash up on beaches so Germans would find

wash up on beaches so Germans would find them. We fake stuff all the time. That's

them. We fake stuff all the time. That's what we do.

And you can't talk about what we do that is deceptive without being ruined by

is deceptive without being ruined by what are called covert influence

what are called covert influence operations.

operations. Like if you'll you watch my Twitter

Like if you'll you watch my Twitter account, you'll see all sorts of

account, you'll see all sorts of accounts descend on it. Fraud Charlotte

accounts descend on it. Fraud Charlotte and Grifter blah blah blah blah blah

and Grifter blah blah blah blah blah blah.

blah. Some of that is just people being mean.

Some of that is just people being mean. But you'll notice that like if I really

But you'll notice that like if I really start talking about physics and I start

start talking about physics and I start talking about security and I start

talking about security and I start talking about things that anyone can

talking about things that anyone can Google and most of us don't think to do

Google and most of us don't think to do it,

it, suddenly it gets really really intense.

And the whole point is it's supposed to be untraceable.

be untraceable. It's supposed to be a way in which like

It's supposed to be a way in which like almost certainly we know a ton about

almost certainly we know a ton about what happened in the Wuhan Institute of

what happened in the Wuhan Institute of Viology

Viology because of two bioweapons conventions

because of two bioweapons conventions that we were signitaries to and which we

that we were signitaries to and which we ratified the Geneva Convention and a

ratified the Geneva Convention and a bioweapons convention in the 1970s. But

bioweapons convention in the 1970s. But that's not top of mind for ordinary

that's not top of mind for ordinary people. They just watched, you know,

people. They just watched, you know, their great grandma die and they watched

their great grandma die and they watched their children get sick and they watched

their children get sick and they watched their own brain fog.

their own brain fog. They can't know whether that was a

They can't know whether that was a bioweapon that we were working on coming

bioweapon that we were working on coming out of the University of North Carolina

out of the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill with Ralph Bareric's lab.

Chapel Hill with Ralph Bareric's lab. You know, we're we're up to constant

You know, we're we're up to constant secret stuff. Why would they fake the

secret stuff. Why would they fake the UFOs, though? What was the what was that

UFOs, though? What was the what was that distraction? Have you ever seen the B2

distraction? Have you ever seen the B2 bomber?

bomber? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> What if you saw that before we were

>> What if you saw that before we were ready to say it existed?

ready to say it existed? >> Yeah. You'd think it was a UFO or

>> Yeah. You'd think it was a UFO or something.

something. >> So, wouldn't it be better if we had a

>> So, wouldn't it be better if we had a UFO story ready to go when we had cool

UFO story ready to go when we had cool aerospace?

aerospace? >> Oh, okay. So, you're saying they're

>> Oh, okay. So, you're saying they're working on something which they didn't

working on something which they didn't want you to know.

want you to know. >> What's more, what if we convinced China

>> What's more, what if we convinced China or Russia or Iran

or Russia or Iran that we had incredible powers that they

that we had incredible powers that they don't have?

don't have? >> Then they might be very reluctant to

>> Then they might be very reluctant to strike us.

strike us. or they might waste a tremendous amount

or they might waste a tremendous amount of money developing anti-gravity

of money developing anti-gravity technology when there's no such thing.

technology when there's no such thing. There are plenty of good reasons to fake

There are plenty of good reasons to fake such thing. Why would we fake an why

such thing. Why would we fake an why would we plan an invasion of Norway if

would we plan an invasion of Norway if we weren't going to invade?

we weren't going to invade? >> But if that's a distraction technique,

>> But if that's a distraction technique, do you have any hypothesis as to what

do you have any hypothesis as to what was going on there?

was going on there? >> But that's not my job.

>> But that's not my job. >> Okay.

>> Okay. Because as soon as you do that, I know

Because as soon as you do that, I know that my the quality of my guessing is

that my the quality of my guessing is not going to be at the quality of my

not going to be at the quality of my detecting when we're up to [ __ ]

detecting when we're up to [ __ ] >> Okay?

>> Okay? >> So, in other words, if you ask me

>> So, in other words, if you ask me why is physics stagnant,

why is physics stagnant, I can say I don't know, but there's a

I can say I don't know, but there's a decent chance that we know how dangerous

decent chance that we know how dangerous physics is and that it's crazy to do it

physics is and that it's crazy to do it in an open university environment. We've

in an open university environment. We've taken precautions. We have a system of

taken precautions. We have a system of national laboratories which are

national laboratories which are effectively our secret university system

effectively our secret university system uh where you have to be an American. So

uh where you have to be an American. So we we're using our regular universities

we we're using our regular universities and the whole world comes through it.

and the whole world comes through it. You know we have Chinese people learning

You know we have Chinese people learning physics side by side our own people.

physics side by side our own people. >> And I guess you're saying that you don't

>> And I guess you're saying that you don't know if UFOs exist but you you're you're

know if UFOs exist but you you're you're sure now that they were faking this. I

sure now that they were faking this. I am absolutely positive that we have

am absolutely positive that we have unagnowledged programs

unagnowledged programs that have UFO written on the side of

that have UFO written on the side of them.

them. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> In other words, the number of people who

>> In other words, the number of people who repeat who repeat strikingly similar

repeat who repeat strikingly similar things

things who appear to be completely sober in

who appear to be completely sober in every other respect with no known acting

every other respect with no known acting ability. There is no way in the world

ability. There is no way in the world that these people just spontaneously

that these people just spontaneously have decided to destroy their sanity,

have decided to destroy their sanity, their career, and their reputation.

their career, and their reputation. >> I've got you.

>> I've got you. >> At a minimum, we're faking.

>> At a minimum, we're faking. I think we are doing a lot more than

I think we are doing a lot more than faking a UFO program.

faking a UFO program. I don't know what it is and I also would

I don't know what it is and I also would not be talking about this on a large

not be talking about this on a large podcast, but for one thing,

podcast, but for one thing, I have a particular hatred for one

I have a particular hatred for one aspect of our intelligence community.

aspect of our intelligence community. And I I don't mean that I dis disagree

And I I don't mean that I dis disagree or don't like or I'm not uncomfortable

or don't like or I'm not uncomfortable when our secret squirrel club inside the

when our secret squirrel club inside the intelligence world and inside in

intelligence world and inside in particular covert operations targets our

particular covert operations targets our own people who are not read into these

own people who are not read into these programs for personal destruction,

programs for personal destruction, reputational destruction, mental

reputational destruction, mental destruction, economic destruction. We

destruction, economic destruction. We take our best people and we make fun of

take our best people and we make fun of them and we belittle them and we destroy

them and we belittle them and we destroy their families, their lives, their

their families, their lives, their ability to earn.

ability to earn. I have a very strong sense that you

I have a very strong sense that you never destroy your best people.

never destroy your best people. >> Do you think you're under attack?

>> Do you think you're under attack? >> Let me talk about Leo Zillard instead.

>> Let me talk about Leo Zillard instead. Leo Zillard is the father of the

Leo Zillard is the father of the Manhattan Project,

Manhattan Project, >> which was the where the nuclear bomb was

>> which was the where the nuclear bomb was created.

created. >> That's right. He was not allowed to go

>> That's right. He was not allowed to go inside the Manhattan Project because

inside the Manhattan Project because they didn't trust him. He was a genius.

they didn't trust him. He was a genius. He was the idea for the Manhattan

He was the idea for the Manhattan Project. He and Einstein made sure that

Project. He and Einstein made sure that it happened.

it happened. The government barely trusted

The government barely trusted Oppenheimer. If you saw the film,

Oppenheimer. If you saw the film, what they did with Leo Zillard was they

what they did with Leo Zillard was they minded him. They knew how good he was.

minded him. They knew how good he was. They knew how important he was. They

They knew how important he was. They listened to him and they didn't destroy

listened to him and they didn't destroy him. He undoubtedly knew that the

him. He undoubtedly knew that the program was going on,

program was going on, but he wasn't allowed inside the

but he wasn't allowed inside the program.

I think that's okay. I think it's okay that our security

I think it's okay that our security state

state recognizes that some people are not cut

recognizes that some people are not cut out to keep secrets. Some people are not

out to keep secrets. Some people are not cut out

cut out to die with certain facts that have to

to die with certain facts that have to be kept hidden. That's fine.

be kept hidden. That's fine. the desire of our government to destroy

the desire of our government to destroy people who have no idea what they've

people who have no idea what they've tripped over because our government

tripped over because our government isn't good enough to keep its own

isn't good enough to keep its own secrets.

This is an abomination. You cannot destroy your a team.

You cannot destroy your a team. >> Who are you referring to when you say

>> Who are you referring to when you say people are being destroyed? Are you

people are being destroyed? Are you referring to people like yourself?

referring to people like yourself? You know, if you look at, for example,

You know, if you look at, for example, Jeffrey Epstein,

Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein conducted a conference

Jeffrey Epstein conducted a conference called Confronting Gravity.

called Confronting Gravity. I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein was,

I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein was, but I'll I would certainly bet money

but I'll I would certainly bet money that he was a product of at least one

that he was a product of at least one uh or more elements of the intelligence

uh or more elements of the intelligence community.

community. >> The CIA, the FBI,

>> The CIA, the FBI, >> that those are ours, right? Department

>> that those are ours, right? Department of Homeland Security has some of the

of Homeland Security has some of the stuff. Geospatial Intelligence has some

stuff. Geospatial Intelligence has some of this. You know, it's a it's a large

of this. You know, it's a it's a large network. Um, I'm talking about people

network. Um, I'm talking about people like David Grush.

like David Grush. I'm talking about people potentially

I'm talking about people potentially like David Fraver.

like David Fraver. I'm talking about people like Jake

I'm talking about people like Jake Barber.

Barber. I'm talking about scientists

I'm talking about scientists like Leo Zillard. Imagine if Leo Ziller

like Leo Zillard. Imagine if Leo Ziller didn't know that the Manhattan Project

didn't know that the Manhattan Project was going on or Jack Raper, a journalist

was going on or Jack Raper, a journalist who broke a story. These people all

who broke a story. These people all think that they're doing their jobs.

I desperately want to know why Jeffrey Epstein knew so much about my work

Epstein knew so much about my work and I want to know why he was connected

and I want to know why he was connected to my graduate program.

I was I was in the Harvard mathematics department. Jeffrey Epstein was

department. Jeffrey Epstein was absolutely connected to the Harvard math

absolutely connected to the Harvard math department. I want to know why.

department. I want to know why. >> How was he connected to the math

>> How was he connected to the math department?

department? >> You're pushing me to say things I'm not

>> You're pushing me to say things I'm not going to say.

going to say. >> I'm curious. I'm not trying to push you.

>> I'm curious. I'm not trying to push you. >> I understand, but I'm just not going to

>> I understand, but I'm just not going to do it. I'm saying that anybody who wants

do it. I'm saying that anybody who wants >> You say he was connected to the math

>> You say he was connected to the math department

department >> to the Harvard mathematics department.

>> to the Harvard mathematics department. >> How did you know he was connected?

>> How did you know he was connected? >> You can Google it. You could Google it

>> You can Google it. You could Google it right now.

right now. This is not I I can point at all sorts

This is not I I can point at all sorts of stuff that's hidden in plain sight.

of stuff that's hidden in plain sight. >> So, I'll take your word for it. And the

>> So, I'll take your word for it. And the assertion that I'm picking up on is that

assertion that I'm picking up on is that Jeffrey Epstein was planted in your

Jeffrey Epstein was planted in your world to keep

world to keep >> I'm not saying he's planted. I don't

>> I'm not saying he's planted. I don't know who he was. I don't know who ran

know who he was. I don't know who ran him. He certainly was not a financeier

him. He certainly was not a financeier in any standard sense.

in any standard sense. >> Really,

>> Really, >> that was a cover story. Yes. The way

>> that was a cover story. Yes. The way that we know Jeffrey Epstein in the UK

that we know Jeffrey Epstein in the UK especially is just this guy who was this

especially is just this guy who was this rich guy who had this island who brought

rich guy who had this island who brought people there and then did these

people there and then did these despicable things that

despicable things that >> disgraced financeier Jeffrey Epstein.

>> disgraced financeier Jeffrey Epstein. >> Yeah, that's what we that's the story.

>> Yeah, that's what we that's the story. >> Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epste. It's

>> Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epste. It's called proveration. He was a disgraced

called proveration. He was a disgraced financeier. What kind of a finance year

financeier. What kind of a finance year or disgraced one? What was his name? Oh,

or disgraced one? What was his name? Oh, he was disgraced financier Jeffrey

he was disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.

Epstein. >> They proceverate that into your mind so

>> They proceverate that into your mind so that you autocomplete that in your LLM

that you autocomplete that in your LLM life.

life. Do you believe that that's what Jeffrey

Do you believe that that's what Jeffrey Epstein was?

Epstein was? >> You met him? You

>> You met him? You >> Yeah, I can tell that finance finance

>> Yeah, I can tell that finance finance year.

year. >> He wasn't a finance year the day I met

>> He wasn't a finance year the day I met him.

him. >> What was he?

>> What was he? >> He was a weird guy who didn't seem to

>> He was a weird guy who didn't seem to know a lot about currency trading,

claiming to run a multi-billion dollar FX hedge fund.

FX hedge fund. >> When you say a weird guy, what made him

>> When you say a weird guy, what made him weird?

weird? >> Same stuff I've said on Chris William.

>> Same stuff I've said on Chris William. I'm not going to go back through that.

I'm not going to go back through that. Just my my point is you're getting a

Just my my point is you're getting a different interview, right?

different interview, right? >> So, what I'm trying to get at is Jeffrey

>> So, what I'm trying to get at is Jeffrey Epstein knew a tremendous amount about

Epstein knew a tremendous amount about my work when nobody knew anything about

my work when nobody knew anything about my work and he had a pipeline into me

my work and he had a pipeline into me that I didn't understand which is that

that I didn't understand which is that he was connected to my graduate program.

he was connected to my graduate program. And you can check out the conference

And you can check out the conference called Exploring Gravity uh

called Exploring Gravity uh >> and hosted physical workshop called

>> and hosted physical workshop called Confronting Gravity.

Confronting Gravity. >> Confronting gravity. That's right. in

>> Confronting gravity. That's right. in March 2006.

March 2006. >> Yeah. What is Jeffrey Epste? Jeffrey

>> Yeah. What is Jeffrey Epste? Jeffrey Epstein is very focused on gravity.

Epstein is very focused on gravity. >> Was it a gravity conference? It was

>> Was it a gravity conference? It was about gravity.

about gravity. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> What the [ __ ] was he doing talking about

>> What the [ __ ] was he doing talking about bloody gravity if he's a finance year?

bloody gravity if he's a finance year? >> It was very important to get Nobel

>> It was very important to get Nobel laureates and some of the smartest

laureates and some of the smartest people on earth to come to the Virgin

people on earth to come to the Virgin Islands and talk about gravity. Steven

Islands and talk about gravity. Steven Hawkins was there. David Gross was

Hawkins was there. David Gross was there. Lawrence Krauss was there. Lisa

there. Lawrence Krauss was there. Lisa Randall was there right before his

Randall was there right before his conviction.

conviction. And I'm telling you, he was very focused

And I'm telling you, he was very focused on the Harvard math department.

on the Harvard math department. and he knew all about me in ways that he

and he knew all about me in ways that he wasn't supposed to.

>> I have to I have to be clear. I have to be clear on my understanding of what

be clear on my understanding of what you're saying. From what I understood

you're saying. From what I understood and you can say, Steve, I'm not going to

and you can say, Steve, I'm not going to answer that. Whatever. But I just have

answer that. Whatever. But I just have to because you've opened up a curiosity

to because you've opened up a curiosity hole in my mind. So, let me try and fill

hole in my mind. So, let me try and fill it. Even if it's the conversation you

it. Even if it's the conversation you had with Chris,

had with Chris, >> um

>> um >> I'll just evade you if

>> I'll just evade you if >> fine. you're within the right to evade

>> fine. you're within the right to evade me and I hold the right to ask which is

me and I hold the right to ask which is um

um >> so is what I'm hearing is you believe

>> so is what I'm hearing is you believe and I'm just going to say it how I think

and I'm just going to say it how I think it is what I'm hearing is you believe

it is what I'm hearing is you believe that Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein was not a

that Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier he was planted in some way to

financier he was planted in some way to >> he was a construct is what I said

>> he was a construct is what I said >> he was a construct in some way to

>> he was a construct in some way to mess with the

mess with the progression of physics

progression of physics >> Jeffrey Epstein

>> Jeffrey Epstein Apparently, I think some I'll tell you

Apparently, I think some I'll tell you what I said when I met him. When the

what I said when I met him. When the meeting was over, I immediately called

meeting was over, I immediately called my wife and I said, "I have just met a

my wife and I said, "I have just met a construct." She said, "What do you

construct." She said, "What do you mean?" I said, "This person is not who

mean?" I said, "This person is not who they claim to be. Somebody has

they claim to be. Somebody has constructed this human being to be

constructed this human being to be something that they are not." Which is a

something that they are not." Which is a hedge fund genius. Somebody who could

hedge fund genius. Somebody who could understand the euro and the yen like

understand the euro and the yen like nobody else. [ __ ] Not true.

I believe that whoever constructed Jeffrey Epstein was running multiple

Jeffrey Epstein was running multiple different programs through the same

different programs through the same thing, having put in a large initial

thing, having put in a large initial investment.

investment. It wasn't about one thing. If you build

It wasn't about one thing. If you build a mall, you don't just have clothing

a mall, you don't just have clothing stores in the mall. You have a food

stores in the mall. You have a food court in the mall, right? You have

court in the mall, right? You have jewelry in the mall. You you you have

jewelry in the mall. You you you have all sorts of different things in the

all sorts of different things in the mall.

mall. Jeffrey Epstein was a construct of

Jeffrey Epstein was a construct of something

something that was running multiple things. One of

that was running multiple things. One of those things was science. And I don't

those things was science. And I don't think that the science and the

think that the science and the pedophilia were necessarily in the same

pedophilia were necessarily in the same bucket. He was funding all sorts of

bucket. He was funding all sorts of people. I don't think everybody at that,

people. I don't think everybody at that, you know, part of the problem with

you know, part of the problem with calling his plane the Lolita Express and

calling his plane the Lolita Express and calling his island pedophile island is

calling his island pedophile island is that you just can't see all the

that you just can't see all the different things that were going through

different things that were going through this guy.

this guy. I don't think almost any of those

I don't think almost any of those scientists are exposed, you know, maybe

scientists are exposed, you know, maybe a few of them, but very few of them to

a few of them, but very few of them to anything really horrible. I think he was

anything really horrible. I think he was trying to keep a periscope on everything

trying to keep a periscope on everything that was interesting.

that was interesting. And I think that his girlfriend's

And I think that his girlfriend's father, Robert Maxwell, was all through

father, Robert Maxwell, was all through scientific publishing.

scientific publishing. And I think Pergamont Press was in part

And I think Pergamont Press was in part a control mechanism

a control mechanism for making sure that revolutionary

for making sure that revolutionary discoveries were taking place within a

discoveries were taking place within a framework.

framework. Anybody can look,

Anybody can look, you can write a Substack article and you

you can write a Substack article and you can hit post and suddenly the world has

can hit post and suddenly the world has access to your Substack article. That is

access to your Substack article. That is a nightmare. What if somebody posts, you

a nightmare. What if somebody posts, you know, weaponized anthrax?

know, weaponized anthrax? What if they do the equivalent of

What if they do the equivalent of saying, "What if there's a neutral

saying, "What if there's a neutral proton?"

proton?" >> So, you think he was controlling

>> So, you think he was controlling science?

science? >> I think that Robert Maxwell was in part

>> I think that Robert Maxwell was in part trying to control science. I think

trying to control science. I think Jeffrey Epstein was in part trying to

Jeffrey Epstein was in part trying to fund science, trying to control it. I

fund science, trying to control it. I don't really know.

don't really know. Again, you know, part of the problem

Again, you know, part of the problem with why conspiracy theorists have a bad

with why conspiracy theorists have a bad name is that they're not content to live

name is that they're not content to live in ignorance, and I mean, I am

in ignorance, and I mean, I am I know something is really off with this

I know something is really off with this story.

story. If if you look at me saying things like,

If if you look at me saying things like, "You don't know whether Biden is going

"You don't know whether Biden is going to make it to November." Haha, Eric, you

to make it to November." Haha, Eric, you know what an idiot. Blah blah blah.

know what an idiot. Blah blah blah. Okay, then he has a debate. He doesn't

Okay, then he has a debate. He doesn't make it to November.

make it to November. You know, I'm not Nostradamus. I'm just

You know, I'm not Nostradamus. I'm just dumb enough to say something in public

dumb enough to say something in public that that makes sense. Let me say

that that makes sense. Let me say something in public that makes sense.

something in public that makes sense. Our national security people suck at

Our national security people suck at their jobs.

their jobs. the people who are in charge of the

the people who are in charge of the department of energy which is masking

department of energy which is masking the department of physics which is m

the department of physics which is m masking the department of nuclear

masking the department of nuclear weapons right the atomic energy acts

weapons right the atomic energy acts which are really about atomic weaponry

which are really about atomic weaponry recast as atoms for peace or who knows

recast as atoms for peace or who knows what Jeffrey Epstein who is not a

what Jeffrey Epstein who is not a disgraced finance seere

disgraced finance seere the newspapers that have always had a

the newspapers that have always had a national interest component and have

national interest component and have liaison so that they can work with the

liaison so that they can work with the CIA and the state department and they do

CIA and the state department and they do each other's bidding and scratch each

each other's bidding and scratch each other. This whole network

other. This whole network is the is what I've called managed

is the is what I've called managed reality. We live in managed reality.

reality. We live in managed reality. We are all in some version of The Truman

We are all in some version of The Truman Show.

Show. And you can look at it. You can Google

And you can look at it. You can Google it. I can give you a million search

it. I can give you a million search terms. And every time I give a million

terms. And every time I give a million search terms, you'll watch my reputation

search terms, you'll watch my reputation get torn apart.

get torn apart. Are you are you going to blame me that

Are you are you going to blame me that you didn't know what the whole of

you didn't know what the whole of society approach is because you didn't

society approach is because you didn't know the Daniel Inaway Center for

know the Daniel Inaway Center for Security in the Pacific came up with an

Security in the Pacific came up with an idea for soft fascism to fight hybrid

idea for soft fascism to fight hybrid wars? You didn't know what hybrid

wars? You didn't know what hybrid warfare? Look, look at my talk at ARC,

warfare? Look, look at my talk at ARC, Jordan Peterson's group, the Alliance

Jordan Peterson's group, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. It's almost

for Responsible Citizenship. It's almost two million views. And why is it?

two million views. And why is it? Because people are saying, "I didn't

Because people are saying, "I didn't know these terms.

know these terms. Did you know what the Human Terrain

Did you know what the Human Terrain Project is? You know, do you know about

Project is? You know, do you know about human terrain? You're a mountain. I'm a

human terrain? You're a mountain. I'm a valley and instead of war uh planners

valley and instead of war uh planners figuring out how do we use that valley

figuring out how do we use that valley to capture that mountain top because it

to capture that mountain top because it gives us a an eagle's nest, you know, to

gives us a an eagle's nest, you know, to snipe from or whatever. They say, "Okay,

snipe from or whatever. They say, "Okay, this is the second most powerful podcast

this is the second most powerful podcast in the in the world, second to Joe

in the in the world, second to Joe Rogan. How do we capture him?"

Rogan. How do we capture him?" >> [ __ ] Leave me alone, please.

>> [ __ ] Leave me alone, please. >> No, but that's what I'm trying to say.

>> No, but that's what I'm trying to say. You're human terrain.

You're human terrain. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> When the human terrain wakes up and

>> When the human terrain wakes up and says, "Wait a minute. I'm human terrain.

says, "Wait a minute. I'm human terrain. Well, my feeling is if you don't want me

Well, my feeling is if you don't want me to talk about this on a podcast, then

to talk about this on a podcast, then keep your terms separate. Nobody knew

keep your terms separate. Nobody knew the term pre-bunked malinformation. Do

the term pre-bunked malinformation. Do you know what pre-bunked malinformation

you know what pre-bunked malinformation is?

is? >> Malinformation is information we don't

>> Malinformation is information we don't want to get out.

want to get out. Technically, people try to pretend that

Technically, people try to pretend that it's information that will be

it's information that will be misinterpreted, but really it's real

misinterpreted, but really it's real stuff that is delotterious to the

stuff that is delotterious to the narratives that we're trying to push

narratives that we're trying to push forward and what we're trying to do. And

forward and what we're trying to do. And prebunked means discredited.

prebunked means discredited. So, we know what debunked. We have to

So, we know what debunked. We have to debunk disinformation. We get that. But

debunk disinformation. We get that. But you didn't know that we had to prebunk

you didn't know that we had to prebunk malinformation, which is we have to

malinformation, which is we have to destroy truth tellers.

destroy truth tellers. >> What do you think that means for people

>> What do you think that means for people like me as podcasters? you know, because

like me as podcasters? you know, because we're doing these long form

we're doing these long form conversations. I take

conversations. I take >> you'll snap back, you'll say, "That was

>> you'll snap back, you'll say, "That was a really interesting talk."

a really interesting talk." And then you'll have somebody else on

And then you'll have somebody else on who'll be talking about the importance

who'll be talking about the importance of melatonin and how we don't understand

of melatonin and how we don't understand uh the role of sleep. And you'll have

uh the role of sleep. And you'll have somebody else, you know, on who will be

somebody else, you know, on who will be talking about how do you do a uh a

talking about how do you do a uh a clothing brand from scratch uh and turn

clothing brand from scratch uh and turn it into a billion-dollar unicorn.

it into a billion-dollar unicorn. You're not going to stay here on this

You're not going to stay here on this topic.

topic. This is your time with me and it'll have

This is your time with me and it'll have some effect and it'll start to fade.

some effect and it'll start to fade. And and and that's what this is.

And and and that's what this is. I'd love to be doing my podcast.

I'd love to be doing my podcast. I just don't know how to do it safely.

I just don't know how to do it safely. I want to talk about taking our lives

I want to talk about taking our lives back from the intelligence community. I

back from the intelligence community. I want to talk about taking our lives back

want to talk about taking our lives back from Silicon Valley. Even though those

from Silicon Valley. Even though those people are my friends, I want to talk

people are my friends, I want to talk about taking my life back from the

about taking my life back from the phone,

phone, from despair, from not having a future.

from despair, from not having a future. I want to talk about having a glorious

I want to talk about having a glorious existence that is not mediated by morons

existence that is not mediated by morons who sit inside the beltway and play with

who sit inside the beltway and play with large budgets and hurt people.

large budgets and hurt people. Particularly really good people who are

Particularly really good people who are good at their job, who are trying to

good at their job, who are trying to figure out how to advance

figure out how to advance humankind, their family, the national

humankind, their family, the national interest, and get fouled.

interest, and get fouled. I I did not ask for Jeffrey Epstein to

I I did not ask for Jeffrey Epstein to fall into my life.

fall into my life. I met him once,

I met him once, but it was enough to know, "Holy cow,

but it was enough to know, "Holy cow, the Harvard math department can't be

the Harvard math department can't be what I think it is." Why was he there? I

what I think it is." Why was he there? I didn't even know. I never heard his name

didn't even know. I never heard his name when I was there.

when I was there. >> Is that where you met him in in Harvard?

>> Is that where you met him in in Harvard? >> No, no, no.

>> No, no, no. I think what very powerful people at JP

I think what very powerful people at JP JP Morgan told me I needed to meet him.

JP Morgan told me I needed to meet him. He didn't want to talk about finance.

He didn't want to talk about finance. He wanted to talk about science.

He wanted to talk about science. >> You can't do your podcast safely.

>> You can't do your podcast safely. Do you

Do you >> My employer was a special informant to

>> My employer was a special informant to the FBI.

the FBI. He's like one of my closest friends. I'm

He's like one of my closest friends. I'm not going to say who it is.

not going to say who it is. >> Your employer?

>> Your employer? >> Yeah. And one of my closest friends.

practice scope is really what I meant. But

But yeah, I I don't I want to do physics,

yeah, I I don't I want to do physics, man.

man. I'm really really good at it,

I'm really really good at it, you know.

you know. And if we have an idea that we shouldn't

And if we have an idea that we shouldn't do physics in public, I would like to

do physics in public, I would like to have a call from somebody inside.

have a call from somebody inside. Hey, Eric, we we need you to come in.

Hey, Eric, we we need you to come in. Okay, great. What's up?

Okay, great. What's up? But I didn't use your resources. cuz I

But I didn't use your resources. cuz I didn't use your grants.

didn't use your grants. Nobody ever informed me. My god, nobody

Nobody ever informed me. My god, nobody ever informed me about restricted data.

ever informed me about restricted data. How many people on earth know that

How many people on earth know that there's a doctrine that says physicists

there's a doctrine that says physicists don't have free speech?

don't have free speech? We can execute you for doing your job.

We can execute you for doing your job. It's never been tested in the courts,

It's never been tested in the courts, and I hope that the Supreme Court will

and I hope that the Supreme Court will not allow that. But, you know, if we

not allow that. But, you know, if we have a problem that is so serious in

have a problem that is so serious in theoretical physics

theoretical physics that it needs the the world's largest

that it needs the the world's largest exemption from free speech, we need to

exemption from free speech, we need to amend the Constitution. You can't just

amend the Constitution. You can't just do this as a sneak attack where you

do this as a sneak attack where you reserve the right casually to hook the

reserve the right casually to hook the 1917 Espionage Act up against the 1946

1917 Espionage Act up against the 1946 and 54 Atomic Energy Acts.

and 54 Atomic Energy Acts. I I've canvased my physics colleagues

I I've canvased my physics colleagues You know, like one of the memes against

You know, like one of the memes against me, which is very funny, is that no

me, which is very funny, is that no physicists take me seriously when I'm in

physicists take me seriously when I'm in their offices all the time.

I I just don't know what my life is. And And with this latest advent of war

And And with this latest advent of war in the Middle East,

in the Middle East, are you really going to pretend that if

are you really going to pretend that if you can Google all of these things that

you can Google all of these things that I have no idea what I'm talking about?

I'm looking to have a conversation with my own government.

my own government. I'm looking to have a conversation about

I'm looking to have a conversation about theoretical physics.

theoretical physics. And I can do it quietly, but I have

And I can do it quietly, but I have rights. And I do not believe that the

rights. And I do not believe that the 1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts are

1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts are constitutional.

constitutional. Try me.

Try me. There is no restricted data. You can't

There is no restricted data. You can't do that to an American.

do that to an American. And you can't just keep mounting covert

And you can't just keep mounting covert influence campaigns. You know,

I just spent five days in the physics department. I'm not allowed to say that

department. I'm not allowed to say that it was five days in the physics

it was five days in the physics department as a visitor. I gave a talk.

department as a visitor. I gave a talk. I'm not allowed to say that I gave a

I'm not allowed to say that I gave a talk.

And I'm tired of it, you know? It's just like

if you're managing the Middle East this badly, if you're managing physics this

badly, if you're managing physics this badly, if you're managing the national

badly, if you're managing the national economy this badly, if you screwed up

economy this badly, if you screwed up COVID this badly by getting inside of

COVID this badly by getting inside of the Lancet and nature,

the Lancet and nature, you know, peer review is this fake thing

you know, peer review is this fake thing that supposedly stretches back to the

that supposedly stretches back to the founding of the Royal Society. And it's

founding of the Royal Society. And it's very clear from the scholarship around

very clear from the scholarship around it that it comes out of n period between

it that it comes out of n period between 1965 and 1975 initiated by the Medicare

1965 and 1975 initiated by the Medicare act predicated on the need for uh

act predicated on the need for uh editors for the journal expansion

editors for the journal expansion founded by Pergamont Press and Robert

founded by Pergamont Press and Robert Maxwell. By 1975,

Maxwell. By 1975, there's a giant battle between the NSF

there's a giant battle between the NSF and both fiscal and cultural

and both fiscal and cultural conservatives

conservatives against something called man a course of

against something called man a course of study or makos where peerreview

study or makos where peerreview was born in a Utah clinic. Uh came out

was born in a Utah clinic. Uh came out of the medical literature because the

of the medical literature because the federal government in 1965 with the

federal government in 1965 with the Medicare act picked up the need to pay

Medicare act picked up the need to pay for so many medical procedures. They

for so many medical procedures. They wanted to say why are we assigning this

wanted to say why are we assigning this many medical procedures? The doctors

many medical procedures? The doctors circled the wagons and said we will

circled the wagons and said we will peerreview each other. Then in by 1975

peerreview each other. Then in by 1975 the NSF was under the um microscope and

the NSF was under the um microscope and they used peer review as a self-defense

they used peer review as a self-defense of of last resort to say we will be

of of last resort to say we will be reviewing each other. Right? Peer review

reviewing each other. Right? Peer review is a myth.

The scholarship is clear as day. I I can't keep going on the world's

I I can't keep going on the world's largest podcasts saying everything that

largest podcasts saying everything that can be googled and figured out and just

can be googled and figured out and just constantly have as my reward that the

constantly have as my reward that the government refuses to have a

government refuses to have a conversation with me and sends its its

conversation with me and sends its its gaggle of uh of idiots to harass me.

gaggle of uh of idiots to harass me. >> You think it's doing that? It's sending

>> You think it's doing that? It's sending a gaggle of

a gaggle of >> Yes, I do. I do think I think that some

>> Yes, I do. I do think I think that some of them are actual idiots who just enjoy

of them are actual idiots who just enjoy having causing problems. But I think

having causing problems. But I think more than anything, we have a real

more than anything, we have a real problem. Science is too powerful.

problem. Science is too powerful. The real, if you wanted to just cut to

The real, if you wanted to just cut to the ultimate core of this.

the ultimate core of this. If four amino acids can shut down planet

If four amino acids can shut down planet Earth.

Earth. If, what is it, a nine-page paper

If, what is it, a nine-page paper solving the double spend problem can

solving the double spend problem can create a new currency not backed by

create a new currency not backed by violence, but backed by mathematics.

If the concept of an inner product in a large vector space

large vector space generates something you can't tell isn't

generates something you can't tell isn't a human being

a human being in 2017.

in 2017. Do you have any idea what the power of

Do you have any idea what the power of the human mind is at this point? Linear

the human mind is at this point? Linear algebra

algebra can create something that you would fall

can create something that you would fall in love with.

in love with. It can create the most beautiful music

It can create the most beautiful music you can imagine, or it can animate a

you can imagine, or it can animate a photo of a dead relative so that you can

photo of a dead relative so that you can actually have the experience of having

actually have the experience of having some video of you with a great

some video of you with a great grandparent you can't even remember.

grandparent you can't even remember. Science is the most amazing, powerful,

Science is the most amazing, powerful, crazy stuff possible. And we spend a

crazy stuff possible. And we spend a fortune trying to convince people that

fortune trying to convince people that scientists are worthless, that

scientists are worthless, that scientists are incapable.

scientists are incapable. And in large measure, they've convinced

And in large measure, they've convinced the scientists themselves, my my

the scientists themselves, my my colleagues, the supposed physicists

colleagues, the supposed physicists will spend their entire lives pretending

will spend their entire lives pretending to do physics and retire without ever

to do physics and retire without ever having actually done any. I was in this

having actually done any. I was in this physics department I was just in. It's

physics department I was just in. It's been a long time since I since I've

been a long time since I since I've spent that long as a visitor.

spent that long as a visitor. The top people in this physics

The top people in this physics department

department professed that they had no interest in

professed that they had no interest in the physical world.

the physical world. that they only cared about the

that they only cared about the mathematics that they were doing. And I

mathematics that they were doing. And I just thought, you're in a theoretical

just thought, you're in a theoretical physics

physics group

group and you profess openly that you have no

and you profess openly that you have no interest whatsoever in the physical

interest whatsoever in the physical world. Well done. I don't know who you

world. Well done. I don't know who you were. I don't know how you did it, but

were. I don't know how you did it, but it took you four decades to get the

it took you four decades to get the physicists to stop caring about the phys

physicists to stop caring about the phys physical world.

physical world. Somehow what we did

Somehow what we did is we stopped the world's most powerful

is we stopped the world's most powerful and the world's most important group

and the world's most important group from making progress. And why Elon Musk

from making progress. And why Elon Musk is not out here

is not out here saving this by just throwing a few

saving this by just throwing a few billion at it. You know, Elon, if you're

billion at it. You know, Elon, if you're out there, it's at Astra. Yes or no?

out there, it's at Astra. Yes or no? Mars is a stop gap message. Do you want

Mars is a stop gap message. Do you want to go to the stars? Is there something

to go to the stars? Is there something we don't know? To the Department of

we don't know? To the Department of Energy. Do you want to have

Energy. Do you want to have conversations?

conversations? Is there anyone at all out here? That's

Is there anyone at all out here? That's my question. That's why I do the

my question. That's why I do the podcasts. And it's, by the way, I'm

podcasts. And it's, by the way, I'm repeating myself. I've said this before.

repeating myself. I've said this before. Send lawyers, guns, and money. There's

Send lawyers, guns, and money. There's no one out here.

But I will say this, if we could get out of here,

of here, you know, in terms of transcendence, in

you know, in terms of transcendence, in terms of things that are really

terms of things that are really exciting, there's nothing that I had

exciting, there's nothing that I had greater pleasure at as a father than

greater pleasure at as a father than taking my children for meteor showers.

taking my children for meteor showers. We take the dog, go to a secret location

We take the dog, go to a secret location outside of Los Angeles that's quite

outside of Los Angeles that's quite dark. We just lie under the sky and

dark. We just lie under the sky and watch for hours, you know, and look up

watch for hours, you know, and look up at the heavens and think, "My god,

at the heavens and think, "My god, that's a destination. That's some place

that's a destination. That's some place I could go."

I could go." I don't think that there's a more

I don't think that there's a more inspiring thing than to figure out the

inspiring thing than to figure out the infinity of space. all of these galaxies

infinity of space. all of these galaxies and the deep field photographs of these

and the deep field photographs of these space telescopes

space telescopes filled with worlds and we're stuck here.

filled with worlds and we're stuck here. It's like it's enough already. Time to

It's like it's enough already. Time to go. Let's have some fun. That's that's

go. Let's have some fun. That's that's really what I'm excited about.

Been great. Great to be here. >> Thank you for being here. Super

>> Thank you for being here. Super fascinating and it spun my brain in

fascinating and it spun my brain in several different directions at the same

several different directions at the same time.

I want to I want to bring it um back to the person who's who's got to the end of

the person who's who's got to the end of this conversation and they're sat at

this conversation and they're sat at home in their box of shorts, maybe

home in their box of shorts, maybe listening on their iPhone as they fall

listening on their iPhone as they fall asleep, wherever they are in the world

asleep, wherever they are in the world or on a train or plane or whatever, and

or on a train or plane or whatever, and allow you to offer them some kind of

allow you to offer them some kind of closing message that might make their

closing message that might make their life better in some way. It's a broad

life better in some way. It's a broad brief, but I think it's the most

brief, but I think it's the most important brief, which is, you know, can

important brief, which is, you know, can having heard everything we've talked

having heard everything we've talked about today.

about today. What advice would you give the listener,

What advice would you give the listener, an actionable piece of advice so that

an actionable piece of advice so that they could live a subjectively better

they could live a subjectively better life?

The songs of Tom Ler are pretty terrific, as are the operetas of Gilbert

terrific, as are the operetas of Gilbert and Sullivan. You might want to explore

and Sullivan. You might want to explore the Azors as well as the Indonesian

the Azors as well as the Indonesian archipelago. Indonesian is one of the

archipelago. Indonesian is one of the easiest languages to learn because it's

easiest languages to learn because it's been denuted of most of the complexity

been denuted of most of the complexity that screw up people who have a hard

that screw up people who have a hard time learning other languages. Buy a

time learning other languages. Buy a poster of tropical fruit and make sure

poster of tropical fruit and make sure that you visit every single one on that

that you visit every single one on that poster before it's time for lights out.

poster before it's time for lights out. Consider box B minor mass and the cello

Consider box B minor mass and the cello suites particularly by Pablo Casal and

suites particularly by Pablo Casal and take a serious listen to Eva Cassidy

take a serious listen to Eva Cassidy uh singing Stormy Monday in an album

uh singing Stormy Monday in an album called Live from Blues Alley to see if

called Live from Blues Alley to see if uh you really know how to feel things. I

uh you really know how to feel things. I think Professor Longair's Big Chief is

think Professor Longair's Big Chief is one of the most brilliant pieces of

one of the most brilliant pieces of piano music. It's absolutely inspiring.

piano music. It's absolutely inspiring. And if you really like that, James Carol

And if you really like that, James Carol Booker III has an album called The

Booker III has an album called The Resurrection of the Bayou Maharaja.

Resurrection of the Bayou Maharaja. Seriously, think about visiting the

Seriously, think about visiting the island of St. Helena in the South

island of St. Helena in the South Atlantic.

Atlantic. Take a look at Kurt Jiongal's channel.

Take a look at Kurt Jiongal's channel. He's doing amazing stuff being done by

He's doing amazing stuff being done by no one else on Earth. I think that Chris

no one else on Earth. I think that Chris Buck is really amazing. And if you think

Buck is really amazing. And if you think that Crossroads is good, have a listen

that Crossroads is good, have a listen to his version of Miss You by the

to his version of Miss You by the Rolling Stones. an incredible groove and

Rolling Stones. an incredible groove and I didn't really appreciate it the first

I didn't really appreciate it the first time I heard it. I think that the people

time I heard it. I think that the people making Spark amps at Positive Grid and

making Spark amps at Positive Grid and the my friends at Neural DSP

the my friends at Neural DSP uh with the Quad Cortex will blow your

uh with the Quad Cortex will blow your mind with how much great audio equipment

mind with how much great audio equipment you can make. You can get a good

you can make. You can get a good electric guitar for a few hundred bucks

electric guitar for a few hundred bucks thanks to advances in China. put it into

thanks to advances in China. put it into an open tuning and buy yourself a slide

an open tuning and buy yourself a slide or just slide a glass along it and

or just slide a glass along it and you'll be able to play most songs that

you'll be able to play most songs that you'd care about within a minute or two,

you'd care about within a minute or two, maybe three, because you only need three

maybe three, because you only need three chords.

chords. Get married. It may not work out. It may

Get married. It may not work out. It may be miserable. Have some kids. There's

be miserable. Have some kids. There's nothing else great to do on this planet.

nothing else great to do on this planet. At least give it a try. And if your

At least give it a try. And if your parents won't pressure you to do it, I'm

parents won't pressure you to do it, I'm happy to do it.

happy to do it. Try to keep this thing going.

Try to keep this thing going. Try to keep this thing going. Try to

Try to keep this thing going. Try to dream big about legacy. Don't feel

dream big about legacy. Don't feel embarrassed about wanting to conquer the

embarrassed about wanting to conquer the world or leave a permanent stain. Get

world or leave a permanent stain. Get out of this moment where everybody's

out of this moment where everybody's worried about narcissism and drama.

worried about narcissism and drama. Listen for meteor showers. They're

Listen for meteor showers. They're announced regularly. Nobody actually

announced regularly. Nobody actually does anything about them. And it's worth

does anything about them. And it's worth inconveniencing yourself with people you

inconveniencing yourself with people you love and take the dog.

love and take the dog. really seriously think about you whether

really seriously think about you whether you want to pile on when you see what is

you want to pile on when you see what is almost certainly a federal or other

almost certainly a federal or other campaign targeting people who are

campaign targeting people who are standing up for you. Whether they're

standing up for you. Whether they're trying to figure out where COVID came

trying to figure out where COVID came from, trying to figure out who was

from, trying to figure out who was behind Jeffrey Epstein, recognize that

behind Jeffrey Epstein, recognize that almost everything you've been taught to

almost everything you've been taught to do in terms of hating Israel as part of

do in terms of hating Israel as part of somebody's campaign out ofQatar. The

somebody's campaign out ofQatar. The situation in Gaza is incredibly dire.

situation in Gaza is incredibly dire. Don't stop caring about the people who

Don't stop caring about the people who are living under that. Recognize that

are living under that. Recognize that the Persians are not the Mullers. Get

the Persians are not the Mullers. Get involved.

involved. Wish your wish your country's leadership

Wish your wish your country's leadership well. Even if you didn't vote for them

well. Even if you didn't vote for them and you think that they're horrible

and you think that they're horrible people, they've got very hard work to

people, they've got very hard work to do. Be good to each other. Try. It's a

do. Be good to each other. Try. It's a grand adventure.

grand adventure. And um make sure you have some fun

And um make sure you have some fun before it lights out.

before it lights out. That's it.

That's it. We have a closing tradition where the

We have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the

last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're

next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question that

leaving it for. And the question that was left for you

I love this question. What is the problem that you are doing the most

problem that you are doing the most mental gymnastics to avoid?

No, I know the answer. It's not appropriate for your audience.

One of the things about being in the hot seat on podcasts

seat on podcasts is that it is not right to force anyone

is that it is not right to force anyone to respond to a question. I know how to

to respond to a question. I know how to falsify an answer to that and I'm not

falsify an answer to that and I'm not going to do that and I'm not going to

going to do that and I'm not going to share the answer to that question

share the answer to that question because it's not appropriate. But it's a

because it's not appropriate. But it's a great question. Feel free to leave it

great question. Feel free to leave it for someone else. This doesn't seem

for someone else. This doesn't seem fair. Whoever you were, thank you for

fair. Whoever you were, thank you for the question. Obviously, my reaction was

the question. Obviously, my reaction was just tremendous curiosity, which would

just tremendous curiosity, which would be a natural reaction to what you just

be a natural reaction to what you just said.

said. >> Thank you for a great interview.

>> Thank you for a great interview. >> Thank you so much for being here. I

>> Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you. No, it's so

really appreciate you. No, it's so unbelievably fascinating and uh you've

unbelievably fascinating and uh you've given me so much. Unfortunately, you've

given me so much. Unfortunately, you've given me a lot of answers, but you've

given me a lot of answers, but you've given me even more questions and maybe

given me even more questions and maybe that's the product of a good

that's the product of a good >> You live in LA.

>> You live in LA. >> Yeah,

>> Yeah, >> we'll do it again.

>> we'll do it again. >> Thank you so much for your time. I

>> Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you.

really appreciate you. >> We appreciate you.

>> We appreciate you. >> Thank you. Thanks.

>> Thank you. Thanks. We launched these conversation cards and

We launched these conversation cards and they sold out. And we launched them

they sold out. And we launched them again and they sold out again. We

again and they sold out again. We launched them again and they sold out

launched them again and they sold out again because people love playing these

again because people love playing these with colleagues at work, with friends at

with colleagues at work, with friends at home, and also with family. And we've

home, and also with family. And we've also got a big audience that use them as

also got a big audience that use them as journal prompts. Every single time a

journal prompts. Every single time a guest comes on the diary of a CEO, they

guest comes on the diary of a CEO, they leave a question for the next guest in

leave a question for the next guest in the diary. And I've sat here with some

the diary. And I've sat here with some of the most incredible people in the

of the most incredible people in the world. And they've left all of these

world. And they've left all of these questions in the diary. And I've ranked

questions in the diary. And I've ranked them from one to three in terms of the

them from one to three in terms of the depth. one being a starter question. And

depth. one being a starter question. And level three, if you look on the back

level three, if you look on the back here, this is a level three, becomes a

here, this is a level three, becomes a much deeper question that builds even

much deeper question that builds even more connection. If you turn the cards

more connection. If you turn the cards over and you scan that QR code, you can

over and you scan that QR code, you can see who answered the card and watch the

see who answered the card and watch the video of them answering it in real time.

video of them answering it in real time. So, if you would like to get your hands

So, if you would like to get your hands on some of these conversation cards, go

on some of these conversation cards, go to the diary.com or look at the link in

to the diary.com or look at the link in the description below.

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