0:02 As somebody who used to identify quite
0:04 happily as a liberal, I found myself
0:07 completely disassociated from the woke
0:08 left in a way I just never thought
0:11 possible where people on supposedly my
0:13 side would start to become science
0:16 deniers, biology deniers, um but also
0:19 develop this incredibly hateful mindset
0:21 that if if you didn't go along with
0:23 everything that they believed, you would
0:25 be cancelled, you'd be destroyed, you'd
0:27 be shamed, you'd be vilified. And and
0:29 now, as we've seen with Charlie Kirk,
0:31 you will actually be murdered in cold
0:33 blood simply for having opinions that
0:35 they don't like. It is it is, as I said
0:38 at the start of this, it's unnerving. It
0:40 It's quite scary actually. And when you
0:43 see those Tik Tok videos of them so
0:45 proudly talking about this, joyously
0:48 celebrating a murder like that, I I
0:53 really do fear about what is going on.
0:55 Well, Piers, it's not even that it's
0:57 about his actual opinions. It's about
1:00 the opinions that many thought leaders
1:02 on the left purport that he has, which
1:04 are complete lies. So, look, I am in
1:07 somewhat of a reconciliatory mode here.
1:09 So, I'd like to ask Jenk. I have 10
1:11 headlines here he has put up about
1:13 Charlie Kirk. They are on his channel
1:15 right now. And let's see if Jenk
1:16 believes that these are true. Charlie
1:18 Kirk says prominent black women took
1:21 white people's spots. Charlie Kirk
1:23 boasts about his all-white basketball
1:25 team. Charlie Kirk gives pigish advice
1:28 to high school girls. Ex employee
1:30 exposes Charlie Kirk's grift. Charlie
1:33 Kurs Kirk embarrasses himself. Charlie
1:35 Kirk's brain melts explaining antivax
1:37 conspiracy. Charlie Kirk rants about
1:40 women in their 30s. Charlie Kirk Kirk
1:42 has literally no clue how the real world
1:44 works. Charlie Kirk gets triggered.
1:46 Declines appearance over pronouns.
1:48 Charlie Kirk doubles down on women
1:51 hating backlash. I am telling you peers,
1:52 Charlie Kirk was one of the best human
1:54 beings I ever met. He did not have a
1:57 bone of racism, misogyny, or anything
2:01 else in his body. But liars lie and they
2:03 jin up otherwise good people. From the
2:05 little bit we know about this shooter,
2:07 he had a stable household. He was going
2:09 to college. He was fine. We'll find out
2:11 where he got radicalized. But please,
2:14 please, let's not pretend we don't know
2:15 where this stuff is coming from. And
2:17 please, let's not pretend that this
2:18 thing is going both ways because it is
2:21 absolutely not. I also have a Well, you
2:22 know what, Jenk, I'll ask you a question
2:24 directly, actually. Do you think Charlie
2:25 wanted to be martyed? Do you think
2:27 Charlie wanted to be martyed? Do you
2:28 think Charlie wanted to be killed? Yes
2:31 or no?
2:32 >> Of course not. What kind of assignment
2:33 question is that?
2:36 >> You Oh, you don't you don't cuz that's
2:37 pretty interesting because here's a
2:39 video of you, Jen, talking when Charlie
2:40 was at a breakfast.
2:42 >> Yeah. allows for easy martyrdom for
2:44 these guys and and they don't deserve
2:47 it. Um, but I do also want to point out
2:49 as in they're in the middle of crying
2:51 now, although Charlie was smiling ear to
2:52 ear throughout the entire video
2:54 thinking, "Yes,
2:57 I'm now the victim and I'll get to claim
2:59 that my rights have been."
3:00 >> Did you catch the beginning of that, Jen?
3:01 Jen?
3:02 >> Listen, we'll do it again.
3:04 >> No, I didn't. And that's totally out of
3:06 No, we're not going to do it again.
3:07 Totally out of context. I don't even
3:09 know what the hell you're talking No,
3:11 no, no, no, no. Listen, listen, brother.
3:13 Listen, listen. Is that what you're
3:15 trying to do? You loser. Jesus Christ.
3:18 >> No, no, no. I'm trying to do
3:20 reconciliation. What people like you
3:22 >> look at the last two things of your the
3:22 last two guests.
3:25 >> Piers. Piers.
3:28 >> Piers. No. What they said was, "Yes, we
3:29 should have reconciliation, but it is
3:32 not without any contrition, right? It's
3:34 not without a Maya. Charlie was accosted
3:36 by Antifa at a breakfast in
3:38 Philadelphia. And the video that I just
3:40 played is you with a cartoon of him as
3:43 Charlie Brown saying that he would love
3:45 to be martyed so he could be the victim.
3:47 Well, I guarantee you his wife who now
3:48 doesn't have a husband and his kids who
3:50 don't have fathers said did not want him
3:52 to be you just played isn't what I
3:54 >> It's exactly what you said, brother said
3:54 it was.
3:55 >> Let's do it again.
3:57 >> No, it isn't. We just heard it. We just
4:00 heard it. All right. So, you know what?
4:00 >> Let's do it again.
4:02 >> Cut this crap out.
4:03 >> Come on. Do it again.
4:05 >> Pierce, can we talk about reality? This
4:06 is something he's going back to like 10 years.
4:07 years.
4:08 >> I think I think Cheng should be allowed
4:12 to respecting what I said there.
4:14 >> It allows for easy martyrdom for these
4:15 guys and they don't deserve it. That was
4:17 when Antifa was going after him at a breakfast.
4:18 breakfast.
4:20 >> Okay, so let's let Jake respond to that.
4:22 >> No, that was about words, you
4:26 Okay, Jesus Christ, man. All right, so
4:29 easy to reality. Okay,
4:31 >> shut up. There's a massive loss here on
4:35 a human level of a very bright uh
4:37 successful young man who like you said
4:39 he didn't smoke, he didn't take drugs,
4:41 he didn't, you know, he wasn't a party
4:44 guy. He was committed to his beliefs and
4:46 he's committed to, you know, spreading
4:48 the word of his beliefs, but also
4:51 allowing people to debate with him about
4:53 those beliefs. That's what a democratic
4:56 society should be about. And yet here he
4:59 is now dead at 31 because somebody was
5:02 was incapable of listening to his
5:05 beliefs without wanting to kill him.
5:08 >> Yeah. Here's look, this is a guy, you
5:09 know, I don't talk about it that often.
5:11 I happen to be gay. It's not a big deal.
5:14 I've been married for over 10 years and
5:16 I've sat with Charlie and my husband and
5:18 his wife and talked about marriage and
5:21 talk about the differences there and and
5:23 all of those things and we talked it
5:25 out. That's what Charlie was great at. I
5:27 I do have to say though on the political
5:28 side of this for where this conversation
5:31 has got it got got heated. It seems to
5:34 me that everyone agrees that Donald
5:36 Trump is not Hitler and his supporters
5:40 are not Nazis. So with that in mind, I
5:41 I'd like to read some other headlines.
5:43 These are video titles from Jenks
5:45 channel. And and if in the spirit of
5:48 reconciliation, maybe he wants to delete
5:50 these things. Trump cuts anti-Nazi
5:52 program. Trump spreading Nazi
5:55 propaganda. Nazis encouraged by Trump's
5:57 Charlottville response. Trump defends
5:59 Nazis, very fine people. That is the
6:02 biggest hoax hoax, political hoax ever.
6:04 Trump retweets a neo-Nazi again. Trump
6:06 disappoints neo-Nazi supporters. So,
6:10 these things don't come out of nowhere.
6:12 I only blame one person at the end of
6:14 the day for these murders, which is the
6:16 crazy person who does the murders. But
6:18 pretending that what is wildly
6:20 asymmetrical, I think I have laid that
6:22 out with evidence here. Pretending that
6:24 it's symmetrical is deeply, deeply
6:26 dangerous. Piers, you know this because
6:28 we've discussed it on my show. Even on
6:30 your show, you have found it way more
6:32 difficult to find rational, decent
6:34 people on the left who will explain
6:36 themselves thoughtfully and calmly and
6:38 everything else. While the the monopoly
6:40 of people you get on the right who
6:41 shouldn't even be on the right, I would
6:43 say certainly someone like me, I I don't
6:45 know exactly where BA considers herself,
6:47 but people with a variance of political
6:49 opinions that now broadly are part of
6:52 the MAGA thing is because of what I just
6:54 read you. The endless hysteria of the
6:57 left that has jinned up people to do
6:59 crazy things. It's not to say you can't
7:01 say the worst things. You want to say
7:02 the worst things, Donald Trump's a Nazi.
7:04 It's so tough to say. You want to say
7:06 that, go ahead and say it. it it falls
7:08 on the person who pulls the trigger. But
7:09 if we're all sitting here saying, "Yeah,
7:11 it's not true that Donald Trump's a Nazi
7:13 and it's not true that his supporters
7:15 are Nazis and he's not Hitler and all of
7:17 those things." Well, then before you get
7:18 to reconciliation, a little bit of a
7:22 Maya by some of us might be valuable, >> Jank.
7:24 >> Jank.
7:26 >> Yeah. I mean, look at this. This is
7:29 disgusting. So this guy pretending to do
7:30 consiliation and I was gonna be
7:32 consiliator toward to towards Dave if I
7:34 spoke first. But apparently that's not
7:36 what he's doing at all. So what he's
7:38 trying to do is get people angry in a
7:40 misleading way against me. Are you
7:41 trying to get
7:43 >> Are those are those titles of your videos?
7:43 videos?
7:46 >> Disgusting. So no no let me explain. Let
7:46 me explain.
7:47 >> Those are your titles.
7:49 >> No. Let me explain. You're asking me a
7:52 goddamn question. So let me explain
7:53 while you're trying to get people to do
7:56 violence against me. You're disgusting.
7:58 So those are 80% of those titles. I've
8:01 never called Trump a Nazi. And those
8:04 titles were about neo-Nazi reactions. So
8:05 what do you want us to do? Not telling
8:08 you what's actually happening. And so look,
8:08 look,
8:10 >> did Donald Trump side with neo?
8:12 >> Yes, he did say that incident in Charlottesville.
8:13 Charlottesville.
8:15 >> So as
8:17 you could have given it to me,
8:21 >> can I just talk? So this monster is
8:22 trying to egg on violence.
8:25 >> What did Donald Trump say after very
8:26 talking about the neo-Nazis or the white
8:28 supremacists who who should be condemned
8:30 completely? It's the biggest debunked
8:31 conspiracy theory of all time. You're
8:33 still pushing that now.
8:35 >> You're still pushing the very fine
8:37 people who now. I'm shocked even for you.
8:37 you.
8:41 >> Dave, no. Dave, shut up and let me
8:44 answer your stupid question. So on that
8:46 day, which now we're going back to that
8:47 for no goddamn reason other than you're
8:50 trying to get people angry at me for
8:53 misleading things. Did your very fine
8:56 people on both sides? He did. Shut up
8:58 and let me answer.
9:00 >> So did he say there are very fine people
9:03 on both sides? He did. So that's a fact.
9:04 Now, who was he referring to? As we've
9:06 explained on the Young Turks, he might
9:08 have been referring to the people who
9:10 were in favor of the Confederacy and
9:12 came out there to support Confederate
9:14 generals. I didn't find that to be any
9:16 better. Those people were in favor of
9:17 slavery. Those people lynched black
9:20 people. So, I'm not going to ever
9:21 cheerlead for them. And I'm not ever
9:23 going to shut up. In the very next
9:25 sentence, in the very next sentence, can
9:28 he say about the white supremacist? So,
9:30 you're not going to get me to shut up
9:32 and you are against speech and you're
9:34 the one trying to smear people. So, let
9:38 me be super clear and let me outrage
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