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"I Just Lost Everything" - How Togi Made (And Blew) $10_000_000 In 90 Days

There's a 90% chance that I win and
there's a 10% chance that I'm fully
devastated. Oh my god. Sometimes I watch
myself on stream back and I'm like,
"What the is wrong with you?"
You you What's the most money you've
ever lost in a single night? I lost
200,000 last night. Well, it's like easy
come easy go, you know? Like the most I
ever made was 2 million something in
like 48 hours. This is the greatest
gambling run of all time. This is
already I don't need to do anymore. How
would you rate your finances? 1 to 10.
10 100%. If you looked at a chart of my
finances, it would be outperforming
Warren Buffett.
There's no saving though. You don't save
at all. I save in the sense of I spent
$100,000 on this watch and I could sell
it for probably 80,000. Now, what about
the idea of saving and investing on the
side? What the am I going to do with
$100 million when I'm 70 years old? I'm
entering the danger zone. Do you think
you're addicted to gambling? I don't
think gamblers and honest has ever seen
a beast like me.
Togei Shane, thank you so much for
coming on the ice coffee hour. Got a
question for you. Why do people call you
the evil Sam Solic? Well, dude, it's
like he's just the exact opposite of me.
Doesn't go out, doesn't talk to nobody,
but we're both jacked. We both love the
gym. Like at our core, we're gym bros,
but I also embark on he's getting an
engineering degree and I'm getting a
degree in like whatever. So, it's the
complete opposites, but we're both like
two of the bigger fitness influencers. I
was researching for this podcast as I
was driving from Vegas to LA and I
watched you for probably 8 hours. Like,
no joke, 8 hours. I started at your
first video and made my way through.
Holy crap, they're First of all, they're
good videos. They're really addicting.
And it was interesting meeting you in
person because I had this idea that you
would come in like really over the top.
He was honestly horrified. He was like
he's like, "How many people do you think
he's going to show up with? Do you think
he's going to break something when he
comes into the house?" I'm like, "Dude,
I don't think he's going to do any of
that." A lot of people think I got this
whole like almost like a rockstar
persona cuz I got like these change and
this crazy lifestyle, but I'm the most
regular kid ever. Just a college dude. I
have five friends maybe. And I kind of
like I don't do collabs. It's just me
and then yeah, live the camera woman.
Well, we have a video that we wanted you
to to give your opinion on. We filmed
with Greg Ducet recently. Let me see
this. Let me see it again. If you could
delete one influencer off the internet
forever, who would it be? Man, the worst
one. I think we're going to go with
Togei. Wait, why? because he's promoting
gambling, recreational drugs, and he's
almost created a paradigm shift in
thinking that promoting and glorifying
drugs is cool. This guy has a lot of
power. He can go and meet people and
people know who he is and everyone wants
to be like Togi. Do you know what I'm
going to do now? I'm going to take a
bunch of steroids. Yeah, dude. Greg
don't mean that. He's just saying that
to protect his brand. Greg loves the
Togi clips. I'm telling you guys, Greg
Ducet loves that. Behind the scenes,
Greg is a gambler. I don't know if he
does drugs, but Greg parties. He
gambles. This is exposing Greg Ducet
right here. But a lot of people take on
the internet with the idea of I want to
make a positive impact. I'm an
influencer. Like that's what I do is I
influence. And so everyone that posts on
YouTube, you're just titled influencer,
which is not what I am. I'm just an
artist. Like I entertainer. I make art.
And they're just fun to watch. It's not
like you watch my video and you're like,
damn, I should go take a bunch of trend.
When I started doing social media, a lot
of people fall into the trap of being a
character. I can't talk about this cuz
brand risk. I can't talk about that. But
I never wanted to be a slave to my own
persona. So it's just like I'm just
going to do 100% authentic to myself and
then hopefully that catches enough
attention just being myself and then I
never it's then it's easy cuz I'm never
filming a video and I'm like a I got to
do this. It's always like this is
exciting. I get to do what I love to do.
Were you always a wild kid growing up
like doing stunts? Yeah. But everyone
is, you know, that's why people like to
watch my stuff. I feel like there's a
huge percentage of college students that
are just like me and they can just
really resonate with like, oh yeah,
yeah, that guy also like real
realistically I'm people come me like to
my friend group cuz they'll go on a
bender for 14 days. They're twice as
they'll drink twice as much as me and
I'm always like no like I can't I'm too
hung over like I don't want to do that.
To a lot of um the older people like
Greg Ducet it's like a kind of a newer
culture I guess and they see that and
they're like this is crazy but it's
normal. Everyone does like this. So,
what age do you become old? 35. How old
are you? 35.
You just turned 35 days ago. Two days
ago. So, I'm like on the cuff. People
been telling me that um they feel like
during their prime 30 to 40. So, what I
really liked, going slightly off topic
on this, your road to 10 million
challenge was to make $10 million. I
believe what 30 days initially. What was
the craziest thing that you did for
money? The painting I that I sold. Did
you see the painting? Yeah, I did. I had
a feeling like that it was going to sell
for a reasonable amount of money, but
ended up I got $146,000 for that
painting. Took me 8 hours and it just
like blew my mind that somebody was
willing and there was a ton of bids,
like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds
of bids. That was definitely the most
bizarre way of making money, but it was
only 150k. The most profitable was,
oddly enough, online slots, which odds
wise, like RTP, if you're going to
crunch the numbers, that was like crazy
lucky. Actually, when I started the road
to 10 million, the joke was that I was
planning on just losing like $5 million
cuz that's usually how it goes. You But
then I first stream Road to 10 million.
I accidentally made like a million and a
half dollars. Like I I guess we might as
well try and make 10 million now. Like
the joke is ruined. It's And it's also
way cooler to make 10 million than lose.
Why 10 million? Well, hold on. Did you
have 5 million to lose?
No, no, no. It would have been debt. You
would have gone in debt. Yeah, but it's
cool, dude, cuz it's like the to the
casino is no problem cuz it's like So,
you borrow from I borrow from uh Rubet
and um the casinos in Vegas.
You borrow it at Well, since I work for
Rubet, they give me 0% interest. That's
why it's cool, cuz 5 million. It's like
I'll get to it, guys. You know what I
mean? See, but you still owe them the
money even though it's 0% interest. So,
they're not forgiving this. No, but it's
cool. How does it how is how how is that
cool? Because dude, it's like it's a lot
of money. I'm 22 years old. I have a
long time and I my income is like
reasonably high for my age. So I have a
long time to figure my [ __ ] out. I don't
got to lock in till I'm
until you're old. Awesome. What's the
matter? 35us 22, however many years that
is. I got 13 years of just likeing off.
And then like 34 years old, I'll be
like, "All right." He'll be like, "All
right, I'm 20 million in debt. I should
then you figure it out. But that's why
it's great cuz then it's like that's
when the world gets really real. Um 20
million in debt which hopefully I'm not
at that point. Then you got to lock in
like really hard and that's the best way
to do it. A lot of people say they were
losers unsuccessful until they had kids
cuz now you have something that you
literally like you it's life or death
basically. You have to be successful and
if you're in huge debt at that age it's
like lock it in. I'm sure I'll figure it
out. I never not figured it out. So, you
assumed you were just going to lose $5
million of of money that you didn't
have, but you ended up on the first
stream making, you said $1.5 million
gambling. Yeah, I think um at the time I
had uh well, it's hard to evaluate my
net worth at the time cuz like I have a
Lamborghini, but it's like I paid
whatever 300 something thousand for it,
but how much is it really worth? I don't
know. But I think my like roughly my net
worth was probably like
$600,000 at that time, but my income was
reasonably high. So, that's why I'm
comfortable losing. That first stream
you said you made a million and a half.
That was from slots and stuff. So like
after this stream, you're now worth $2.1
million probably approximately. Yeah.
Okay. And then you decided you're
actually going to go for $10 million
instead of it being like a gag of
financially yourself. Well, I don't know
what I was on, but I thought I was going
to make $25 million in 30 days. Like to
my soul, my core, like I was sitting
there. I was I'm going to do it. I
guarantee I'm going to do it. I would
have put it on anything. I'm going to do
it 100%. And then as I did, I was like,
this is ridiculous. Like I'm not even
close. this is impossible. But that's
the whole that's the great part about it
is like you if you are truly crazy
enough to think that you can do some
like just maybe can I do something crazy
if I just try and you really think it's
going to happen and you go for it you're
going to get pretty close like the end
road to 10 million I ended up like with
like four something million but if I was
a little smarter I would have never I 10
million in a month that's just never
going to happen. I'm not going to try
and then I would have zero amount of
millions of dollars. So that's really
the beautiful thing about like the crazy
delusions. So you actually ended up
making $4 million in a month. No, it was
two months. So 2 million bucks a month
for two months. Yeah. Did that motivate
you then to like continue that? No,
because I'm like 40 days in. I got like
4 million whatever. I hadn't posted a
video in forever. The sponsor's getting
mad that I'm not posting content. And I
was just thinking to myself, okay, this
is great that I have $4 million. But
also like realistically, I'm not a total
idiot. I'm sitting there thinking, if I
lose this $4 million, then the video is
back to zero. and then there's no video
at all and it's going to be a huge
problem. So, I stopped gambling around
$4 million in embarking on less risky
schemes like the painting. Um, I'm
making a song. I wanted that to come out
uh before the end of the video so that
way I could show people how much I made
from the song. Logistically, it's a lot
harder to put out a song than you would
imagine. And then um I like bought a
house, but we can't really tell if
that's going to be a good investment for
a long time. So, it's like, "All right,
we'll probably count that for a few
million bucks." What does your
accountant think of all of this? cuz I'm
thinking through it's like the gambling
that's got to be an impossible task to
calculate wins and losses and you wiring
money for Rolexes and they turn out to
be fake. All of these things that one in
crypto so that one's cool. we didn't
have to uh ever like the I think my
understanding I thought my videos were
enough financial proof to the IRS that
like okay yeah this is like what's going
on but then my accountant's like dude we
need like what the is this deposit for
half a million and I'm just like I don't
even I don't really remember to be
honest with you like a lot of things I
do I don't really know and I didn't know
I'm just learning now he called me the
other day and he's like the business
cards are for business expenses I just
whatever account I just pull out a
random card. Like did last night at the
casino, I used a business card, took out
like $10,000 just cuz I whatever. Pick a
random card. So, he is super unhappy
with me. I have not paid my taxes yet
cuz I texted him cuz it was due the
15th, right? It's like, yo, like how
much money do I owe? And he was like,
it's this is ridiculous. We're still
working on it. Because if you if you
made $4 million in a year, you probably
owe like half of that. Maybe a little
less cuz you're in Florida. Hopefully
not, dude. You'll owe you'll owe about
37 to 40%. That I can't make of that. I
cannot swing that. You guys are going to
have to give me some sneaky rich people
tips cuz I can't pay 40%. I'll be out of
money. Maybe.
I mean, we can we can we can be a
financial crisis. If I got to pay 40% of
my money, we could we could strategize
later. You made the 4 million this year,
right? That means you have a full year
to offset your income with expenses. If
you're going to owe this next year,
you're going to have a $2 million tax
bill so far, unless you lose the money,
in which case you're going to use those
losses to offset the 4 million profit,
but you would then be still net down
money. Oh, yeah. We're going to have to
figure something else that's not either
of those options cuz that's ridiculous.
50% of your money. You give 50% of your
money to IRS. I pay 37 plus another 1 to
2% give or take for random things. But
we're also in Nevada, 0% income tax
here. So if you were in California,
you'd be over 50. Yeah. No, I can't do
that. We'll have to But that's not
really a problem for another It's like
what, like 12, 13 months? Yeah, you
could stretch it. Now, I'm curious
though because you were you were
gambling and like consistently winning.
How were you able to do that? Was there
a strategy behind this or was it luck?
No, there's no such thing as strategy
and gambling. So, how how it works is
the like RTP is like your expected loss
and you can look at different games like
what's the best RTP. A lot of people
will go in play blackjack and it's like
why do I lose every time? But if you're
not playing perfect blackjack, the odds
of you losing are like 80%. But if you
play perfect blackjack, the RTP like
over an extended period of time, you're
expected to lose about 1 to 2% of your
money. But over a short period of time,
realistically the strategy, which is not
mathematically a good strategy, but I
always just raise the bet until I win.
So say I lose $20,000 on a blackjack
hand, the next one just put down 30,000
and you lose, put down 50,000, put down
60,000 and either it ends in devastation
or you're good and you win. And so now
you're sitting at like 90% chance that I
win and there's a 10% chance that I'm
fully devastated and the loss is so bad
that there's a huge problem. So, we're
just gonna pray that doesn't happen.
It's never happened. So, yet? Yet. But
now it's like now I got $4 million and
I'm definitely not paying no taxes. So,
I can You could flee. Yeah. Puerto Rico.
Well, the the idea is ideally I use this
$4 million, make some investments, and
then I won't have to gamble as much.
Like, I've already lowered How much did
we lose last night? I lost 200,000 last
night playing Blackjack. How did you do
that? Was that the strategy of doubling
down? No, I actually tried I called a
casino. I was like, "I need more money."
And they were like, "No." Because I was
borrowing it from them. So now I
actually owe them $200,000. So you have
3.8. Yeah. So now we got $3.8 million.
Wait, that decreases your tax bill. So
that's good. What does $200,000 mean to
you? Because to me it's it's it's nuts
to lose $200,000 and just be like,
"That's 200 grand, whatever." Well, it's
like easy come easy go, you know? Like
the most I ever made was a video I lost
everything 2 million something in like
48 hours just gambling and meme coins.
If you can do that, if you're willing to
take enough risk where $2 million is on
the table whatsoever, you got to be cool
losing $200,000. And also, it's like,
what is money really good for? You have
security and experiences. And the
security, you can feel fully secure. You
can do anything you want. 70K a month
and you can do anything in the world.
Everything. You unlimited doctor bills,
whatever, this and that, insurance,
everything you need. So after 70k a
month, it's like this money I might as
well just like
it's there. I don't see any value in
saving. Like what the [ __ ] am I going to
do with $100 million when I'm 70 years
old? As 70 year olds in a super car,
that's not cool at all. 22-year-old in a
Lamborghini, that's like super super
exciting, super fun. The ROI is way
higher blowing your money as a
22-year-old than when you're old. So I
kind of after I after my main base
expenses, all that money is just like
whatever. But what about the idea of
saving and investing on the side?
Building up a nest egg that would
eventually pay you the $70,000 a month
without you. Uh you heard of Pepe to
cryptocurrency? I I have. Yeah, that's
my investment portfolio. How much Pepe
do you have? You know, when you really
crunch numbers sometimes I I look back
on like a stream the other week I lost
$1.8 million. So really So you're down
to 2 million. Yeah, which is I we're
chipping away at taxes. But either way,
that was a majority. I had like 1 point
something million in Pepe and then I
gambled it all away. Has Pepe gone up
since then? I don't know. I don't look
because it makes me depressed. I got to
figure out I got to gamble and get some
more Pepe. Oh, no. It's about the same.
So, we'll get back in.
You're actually at 2 million right now.
I guess if you crunch the numbers, uh
about $2 million cuz that $1.8 million
loss was ass. How did you lose 1.8
million? Blinko balls, dude. Oh my god.
What happened was I didn't even want to
stream cuz I was working. Well, which is
technically streaming, but I was doing
like editing my video and whatnot. And I
was like, "All right, whatever. I'm
supposed to get some hours in. I'm going
to do a $50,000 buy in. Super mellow
stream." But then once you start taking
stimulants, it's like game over. The
second you take any amount of
stimulants, it's literally impossible to
stop gambling. So, one thing leads to
another. It was supposed to be a
30-minute stream. It was 15 hours and I
lost $1.8 million. It's on my cake. I'm
going to put that in the next YouTube
video. Why would you I know this is like
an obvious question, but is it easier
then just to say no to the stimulants
than it is to say no to the gambling if
you're on stimulants?
No. Um so it's a recipe for dis. It's
just like this. Yeah. But it's awesome
because gambling at a certain point it's
not even fun if you're not on
stimulants. Like if you're
not somewhat inebriated, it's almost too
stressful. You can't see the cards
right. Like you can't make daring enough
plays to do crazy where you actually win
cuz dude people will win 30% gambling
and they'll be like well that would kind
of suck. It's like cuz you're gambling
like a total [ __ ] Like if you're
inebriated then you can go nuts and it's
way more fun. You and that's what like
that's the purest form of gambling. See
I would say like I would try to provide
solutions like you'd have someone that
has control over your money and you
can't request money from them. You can't
try to borrow money from friends. You
like put out this mass message. But
also, if it doesn't bother you, like if
you're totally fine losing $2 million
and you're like fully conscious of, you
know, what you're doing, then there's no
it's really not a problem. Like, because
I have this safety net of I'm still
getting this somewhat passive income of
just by having my own brand and all the
sponsors pay me, whatever. I could lose
my whole net worth today. And it's like,
at least I got Dude, one year ago, I
lived in a frat basement free cuz I
didn't have any money to pay for it. And
I was so happy. It was so much fun. I
loved that. Like does does chain really
bring me like I'm not any happier with
the chain. I think if I had nothing
that's like also I'm in my bag when I
have nothing. I feel fully content being
poor. How would you rate your finances?
1 to 10. 10 100%. Dude, I mean who else
has ever made not who ever, but regular
college kid frat basement to now
I have millions of dollars. And if you
looked at a chart of my finances, it
would be outperforming Warren Buffett.
It would be outperforming. That's the
only dude I know that does finances. But
either way, way outperforming Warren
Buffett as far as the ROI in the time
that I'm doing. And where does savings
fit into all of this money you just put
on the side pepe until I gambled it
away? There's no saving though. No, you
don't save at all. I save in the sense
of I spent 100,000 on this watch and I
could sell it for probably 80,000. So
that's a safety net. I always No, it's
not terrible. But this is a good thing.
I I like the Anything is better than
gambling, right? So, if I just have
crypto or have money, then there's a
problem because it takes me 5 seconds to
get that money, put it on one blackjack
hand. If I So, every month I just try
and spend like a few hundred,000 on
jewelry and cars and then that way I
have your house access and my house. Did
you bullied? No, I put um 700 down.
1.3 million. I got bullied into buying
that house. I texted my friend, the
jeweler, and I was like, I need this new
car. It's like a $300,000 car. And he's
like, dude, you have spent $2 million in
the last year on jewelry cars and you
have no houses. Like, I'm not selling
you anything until you buy a house. I
like, well, if I'm going to keep buying
my jewelry cars, I got to buy this
house. So, he's a good friend for that.
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to the episode. Social media as a career
could be so fickle. I mean, we saw what
happened with Steve will do it. He just
one day just YouTube decided to delete
him and these algorithms are not
guaranteed. Do you ever worry about
maybe one day just something happens
outside of your control and everything
kind of gets shut off? Oh, yeah, dude.
But I'm ready for it. like I'm more than
excited to or more than willing to take
on any challenge and if I lost all my
social media it would be on I'd hit the
Scheme lab and then it's on to the next
thing. Like I would let myself complain
for 7 days. Okay, probably just do
nothing for 7 days. I'm depressed. Never
happened. Now I'm back. Now I got
nothing and now we're going to have to
do it again. Time and time again. I've
When I was 18 years old, I made um like
$900,000 trading crypto. like super high
leverage. And then I thought I was the
man. I thought I was the coolest kid
ever. Started partying a bunch, buying
like cars, whatever, traveling. 6 months
later, I was in debt to the IRS for
taxes cuz turns out vacation in Italy
doesn't count as a tax write off. So,
it's like I got this income from crypto,
still got to pay taxes, which is
ridiculous. For the record, I can't
believe that's how that works. But after
that, it was like whatever, we got to
find the next game. And I was like,
okay, now I'm just going to get famous
and make money that way. How do you have
such confidence? It's just like you seem
so self assured that no matter what's
going to happen, you're going to be
fine. There's so many people that have
more than me that are inherently less
capable. Like I've met so many people
that are just idiots, but they have so
much money. I've met like CEOs. It's
like, what the are you talking about
right now, dude? None of this. You are
so out of the loop. But you've got $5
million. So if you can do it, what?
There's no reason that anyone else on
the planet couldn't do it. So comparison
is good. How do you mean? Because a lot
of people say like comparison is the
thief of joy, but you use comparison in
a good way. Sometimes the grass is green
on the other side cuz it's fake, right?
You have to take everything you see with
a grain of salt. Like a good example is
that Haley Welch girl, Hakua, everyone's
jealous. Why is Hakua famous? How'd she
get famous? She's rich and famous. She's
rich and famous. That's [ __ ] that
she's rich and famous and I'm not. She
got too famous too fast for her own. She
was famous on borrowed effort. She
didn't have the trials to prepare her
for the success that she had, which is
unfortunate. She her empire was given to
her and she didn't ask for that. 2
months later, she does a cryptocurrency
scam, which was probably not her fault.
She probably had no idea what was going
on. She was just like, some rich people
are like, "Yo, come this way, do this,
do that." And then now all of a sudden,
her empire has entirely fallen.
Everybody would take their life over
Haktua's life now cuz she's got all this
[ __ ] legal [ __ ] going on. But 2
months ago, it's
like, this is so sick. I want to be
Hakua. She's so lucky. I think it's bad
management. To me, it seems like someone
put that deal in front of her and told
her to take it, and she's not
sophisticated enough to say no to it. Or
maybe on the surface, it appeared like,
"Hey, this is a fun little thing we
could do. It's a meme coin. It's funny."
But behind the scenes, she has no idea
what's going on. Well, that's the
problem is cuz she was too famous too
fast. And like how do you even know to
when to pick a manager when you fall
asleep one night, next day you got 10
million followers. How do you even set
up that entire like I'm still figuring
out like how to manage deals and go
about like what's a red flag? What
should I take money for ads wise and
whatnot and I've been doing it 15 months
maybe I don't know a year. In that short
of time you can never prepare yourself
for what she had. How is your business
broken down right now in terms of like
where income sources come in? How many
people do you have behind the scenes
that help you out? I got one Indian. His
name is Startac. He's the goat. Togei
reel. He uh Togei Rio is the coolest
dude ever. He's the hardest working
Indian ever. He does everything for me
other than me. So, the reason it takes
me so long to put my videos out is cuz I
plan everything. I edit everything. I
film everything. It's I'm a oneman army
and I do 100% of the work except for
like whatever the my Indian dude can
take care of. So, um, the expenses wise
there, it's like I keep that's it's cool
because I get to keep 100% creative
power, 100% of my money. Um, and there's
just like no one can [ __ ] with me. It's
just shout out my label Destiny. And
then what about income sources coming
in? I got um Rubet, Young LA, Kick,
uh, Snapchat. Is Snapchat pretty good?
They pay me like 30k a month. So, it's
like it's chill. Like, for what it is,
you don't have to work too hard on it.
There's got to be something else.
There's no way I only got four ways. Oh,
and and then technically the most
profitable thing that I do is gambling,
but the safety net, like the real income
is those four sponsors. Do you have any
financial regrets at all or are you
totally fine with all of the decisions?
If I could have stopped myself from
playing those Plinko balls,
uh, I would have done that. But as far
as like genuine regret, um, nothing off
the top of my head. Tell me about the
watches, the fake watches that you
bought. Oh, yeah. So, okay. I'm not like
so far out of the loop where I I see
this guy on the internet and he's
selling like whatever he's like four
Rolexes, one of them is a Daytona. Like
these are expensive watches. There was
at least 40% of me that was like this is
a scam. 100% this is totally a scam. And
then 60% of me was like it could be a
really screaming hot deal. And so my
idea is everything in my life that I do
as long as it's on camera, I'm willing
to take more risks cuz it's a little bit
funnier. It's a little bit more crazy.
So, when the camera's on, I'll gamble
twice as much. When the camera's on,
I'll be like, "If we're going to just
buy these watches in case it's a
screaming hot deal." And if it's a scam,
then it's like, "Okay, well, then at the
very least, people get to laugh at my
pain." And so, what happened for those
who haven't seen it? So, I'm looking on
Reddit for the cheapest possible deal on
some Rolexes, like the Rolex subreddit
or whatever. And this guy had four
Rolexes, maybe five, on sale for like
80,000 bucks. And I uh sent him crypto.
And then he sent me four fake watches.
Were they good fakes? What did you do
with the watches afterwards? Dude, they
were incredible fakes. I went to the
jeweler. They had to open up, look
inside the guts to see that the movement
was fake. Like the outside there like I
mean it looks like they they use these
crazy lasers and [ __ ] now. Especially
with like I guess Rolexes are really
easy to fake to be seen. So after I
think the watches are just out my crib.
Really? Yeah. Give them away. Yeah. But
then people are going to be like I got
this Rolex. I just fake. But it's also
cool because it's like I like to keep um
that that was a part of one of my Yeah.
It's like that was a fun little memory
getting scammed and it's like a cool
video. So like things that I do over my
videos I I like to keep on uh keep hold
of most of the stuff that was involved
in all of it. At what point do you think
you're going to want to have like a nest
egg? Like what savings? Yeah. I've never
thought about that in my life. Like I
guess I'll think about it right now. It
would be cool to have a nest egg right
now, but like then I have to embark on
how much how much do you want as a nest
egg? How much should I have? I don't
know. I mean, realistically, my goal in
life is to have $100
million net worth. So, nest egg would be
like what? What percentage of like you
have $10 million saved somewhere in like
S&P or something? What counts as a nest
egg?
I think a nest egg would just be like if
you're making let's just random number
here like 300 grand a month how or 400
how much would your life differ spending
400 grand a month to spending 200 grand
a month and you get to stow away 200
grand a month oh okay okay like and then
and then you have this $200,000 that is
untouched and it just rests in like
equities or something that's you know
conservatively grows year-over-year and
you at least know that like you'll never
be broke again. Oh, probably once I have
um more responsibilities whenever that
comes. Like when did in well at what
point in your life were you all of a
sudden like you got a whole bunch of I
don't know like I guess now I got this
mortgage that's pretty adult. I never
had a mortgage before. I got to pay
13,000 a month but probably not till
like 25, right? For me, I I mean, ever
since I was like young, like obviously
as I've like my income has grown, I've
become totally fine spending more money
on certain things, but I think it was
originally kind of about freedom. Like I
wanted to make sure that I don't have to
work if I don't want to. Like I have
some money that I could make some
passive income off of and I'll exist
fine. Yeah. But it's like what's the fun
and not what would you do if you didn't
work? Like having to work. It's having
the option option, dude. Because it's
like what? Like it's I would be if I
wasn't continuously that's why I say I'm
not sure if 100 million is the number
cuz I get 100 number 100 million I'm not
going to just stop working and off cuz
then what do you do like if I'm not
every day or like every month making
forward progress in whatever scheme I'm
currently working on. I would be
depressed if I sit there for seven days
straight and I don't do anything. I
start getting super depressed. And it's
just like, ah, what a what is going on
here? Without productivity and something
pushing you and pulling you to strive
for more, I think I would be super
bored. Here's what I would do. See, if
if I were you, I'd get 5 million bucks
on the side stashed away in investments
that you never touch unless you
absolutely need to. That is your fund
that no matter what happens to you,
you'll always have an income between 250
to 300 grand a year. No matter what, you
could do whatever you want to and you're
always going to have so much cooler with
$5 million. You could just the memories
like, bro, but just Okay, but just and
then you could think of the plink, but
you just get 5 million and then
everything after that you you could
blow. I think the thing is that he just
has he has it's so funny because we're
so in tune with like like the business
and hardcore finance and like grind and
like save. That's kind of our niche on
YouTube, but you're completely like on
the polar opposite side. So for us it's
just kind of like jarring and it's it's
it's interesting to hear like you go
back and forth on Airbnbs for like a
$100 difference. I I have to like we
have to understand that you just have
different priorities and that's totally
fine. Yeah. I think also a big thing is
like age. Well like realistically
imagine how much cooler or how epic it
would be if you blew a million dollars
on a crazy vacation, crazy with your
friends. Everyone you and your friends
will remember that forever. You give
your mom a million dollars. That's like
boom, retire mom. And then just like
giving I would like to just give away a
million dollars to strangers on the
street cuz that's like it fills my heart
with joy and it's fun rather than like
saving it making 300k a year guaranteed.
Like I don't that doesn't sound
interesting to me. It's just a safety
net. Like safety inherently does not
sound interesting to me. It's very
boring if things are too nice. like
almost that's why gambling is so
exciting is all gamblers to a certain
degree love the self-sabotage where that
was devastating and horrible but that's
why it's awesome because you could
potentially like my friend last night
literally lost his net worth but he left
today with a smile on his face his name
is Nate Udi walked out of the casino
with a smile on his face and he's
actually done this twice now which is
bizarre I've done it once how much was
his net worth so the first time we lost
his net worth it was on stream and no
one thought it was real which is why
because everyone's like oh my god I'm
giving my net worth like This is soing
like crazy. This was like he like
literally he had $250,000 and we lost it
on one stream and then he went home and
he was completely out of money. This
time around his net worth was only
$10,000. So he took his last $10,000 and
it was like I'm either poor already. I'm
poor now. What do you do with $10,000?
Or I can be super poor. Um so he's just
like I'm just going to gamble. And he
lost it and now he's like whatever.
Doesn't this [ __ ] with your dopamine
receptors to like cuz you have such
crazy swings with money and just highs
and lows. Everything would seem boring
after something like that. Yeah, it is
um not good how rapidly the dopamine
gets fried. Like 3 months ago, my net
worth was like what I had good money and
I was very excited over winning $10,000.
Now I'll win $50,000 and it's just
like that wasn't that cool. But that's
just because the dopamine gets fried.
But that's a problem I don't know what
to do about. Don't know what to do about
the I think it's only going to get worse
because pretty soon you'll say the same
thing with grand more extreme more
extreme. More extreme. Well, I've seen
that with Dana White. He used to be
excited winning and he's just he's a
billionaire. The money doesn't matter to
him. But he used to be excited to win
50,000. Last time I was gambling with
him, he lost $5 million. And 8 month
period of change have gone from plus
50,000 -50,000 to now plus 5 million -5
million. And I that's just how it is.
Like I don't know what to do about it.
One of the highlights was that Jack and
I uh got to meet Steve will do it and we
went to Red Rock and Dana showed up and
I watched them play Bakar and I was
entranced by by he was he was playing
$100,000 chips just like they're like
they're nothing and just like here's 100
grand 100 grand. He was up. He was
making money. Like he was up like 300
grand 400 grand by the time we left. And
I'm thinking, "Holy $400,000 in like 15
minutes." But it's just it's just like
not it's just chips. Yeah, it is crazy
how a $5 chip is the same size as a
$25,000 chip. It's really cool to watch.
It it it screws my mind knowing that
that's that's the $100,000 plus or
minus, but the person on the other end
of it dealing they're probably making 80
grand a year. So, one of those chips is
is worth more than an entire year of
salary and it's gone in like 20 seconds.
Yeah. And for the viewers, but that's
why it's so um exciting to watch
somebody gamble such high stakes cuz
it's like I can't even fathom like the
what the f when I didn't have any money.
I would watch people gamble $50,000
hands and what is going on? This is
insanity. And that's just part of
entertainment. Like the crazier is more
viewable. What you got? What's this
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some for yourself. What's the most that
you've gambled and the most you've seen
someone gamble? The most I've personally
gambled like over what period of time?
Probably this road to 10 million thing.
I mean, the most I've ever hit was 1
million on a slot. It was like a $1,000
spin. Just big badass Christmas bonanza.
And I paid out a million. So that that
stream I ended up I bought in I think
400,000 and I went up to 2 million.
Cashed out at 1 and a.5 million. But um
the most I've ever seen someone gamble I
think probably. Do you guys know who
Exposed is? No. He he pretty
consistently goes to Red Rock and does
like 100,000 plus other hands, but the
limits are pretty stiff. Like you don't
really get to bet more than 300,000 a
hand at any casino as far as I've been
let into. I'm sure somewhere people do
that, but like probably like $300,000
hands is the most that people like and
it's like the Dana Whites experience
like nobody does. What does it feel like
to win a million dollars? Oh well, this
is at the time I was doing so much that
I don't actually remember it. I just had
to watch a video back and it's like
holy. It was that's why it's in that
video went so viral cuz it's such a
captivating story. I was doing so many
drugs at that period of my life that it
was on I was in Mexico doing a ton of
and I don't the night before I had lost
maybe like 900,000 I don't know don't
remember it and then when you're like
taking on a bender you wake up the next
day and you just roll over you take a
pill like you roll over grab some put
them in your body so that you like feel
better and you continue the bender
effectively
I went into this dream one $1 million
the next day I invested it into Pepe.
Pepe got listed on Robin Hood doubled
and then about 4 days later I checked my
accounts and $2 million was just like
there and I had to go look back at all
the footage like okay so this is what
piece it together this is what happened
and that's why it takes so long for me
to edit my videos everyone's like why
don't you post more because I don't know
what the happened so I have to
meticulously go through every hour of
that 10our stream like where did this
million come from and then you look at
okay so now it's all of a sudden 2
million what the happened there you look
at your crypto transactions okay so we
put all into Pepe and then you know you
can kind of put the pieces of the story
together. But it is kind of sad that
like a lot of the coolest things like
some people ask me like what's a crazy
story and it's like I do not remember a
lot of the things that have happened to
me in the last year which is why I
stopped doing cuz that's it's just you
don't remember like so much cool when
you're blacked out on Xanax. What's the
craziest that you've taken? Well, it
depends on like what you define as
crazy. I've done um probably every Well,
uh I did uh meth on accident one time
and then I was I had to go to the
hospital cuz I overdosed. So, that was
like the craziest experience. Um, but I
mean, I've never injected anything other
than steroids. I think every single drug
that's popular. What's the
best uh good? What's What else is good?
Um, those are the best. Xanax, Aderall,
ketamine. Oh, percoetses. Oh my god.
Percoets are great. But uh understand
that like that you feel the best on the
fallout from taking perets for a few
days like you are in a very bad spot
mentally and physically like the
withdrawals can so the better it feels
the worse. It's not like I'm telling you
guys oh these are they're the best as in
they feel the nicest but the comedown is
equivalently as bad. Do you worry about
doing damage like something permanent
like changes? I would be worried, but
that's just like all of my friends and
everybody. It's like a consistent
experience that everyone does these that
I know. And it's like, okay, so if all
500 of you people are doing the exact
same thing as me and like as far as I'm
concerned, only four of you are up. It's
like, I guess we're rolling those dice.
So that's a that's that's dice rolling
just like the proof concept is there.
Like I started doing I'd say hard maybe
I was like 14 years old. So like a lot
that's what eight years and I'm sure I
do part of me thinks I would be a lot
smarter if I wasn't doing that. But I'm
not I like being ignorant. Ignorant is
bliss. Like being delusionally
confident. That's great. I think maybe
the drugs banged my brain up just just
perfectly enough so that you know I'm
not too smart for my own good. I think
everyone's a lot of people are too smart
for their own good and then it's like oh
I got this business idea but then you're
like really smart and you're thinking
about all the numbers and everything
that's never going to work and then you
never do it like if you just don't think
about stuff to like I don't think about
many things at all ever like every day I
probably have
like six like useful thoughts and then
the rest of it is just kind of like give
me an example of a useful thought you
had today. No, today was bad cuz I went
to bed at noon. Um and that's why I had
to push this podcast back. Usually
before a podcast I scheme like a few
useful thoughts. Okay, today there has
been zero useful thoughts. I can't
remember the last useful thought that I
had actually. Let me think about this.
This is ridiculous that this is
uh useful
thought. Um I thought like it feels like
the last good thing that I thought
was I'm going to sell this painting
which was about four weeks ago. So that
that can't be the case. Maybe I thought
of a Yeah, I thought I should read more
books about 4 days ago. Do you think
you're going to do that? Yeah, I like
audio books. Who bought the Who the
painting? Just some random fan. We
talked on the phone for a little bit and
he has his story is that he was in not
the best place mentally and then he
started watching my content and
listening to some of the speeches that I
would give and he started taking
testosterone and his hormones are now
level and his income has I
obviously exploded. So he it's so
meaningful to him. It's not like he was
more really excited to support my
journey because what I've given to him.
He didn't care for the art. He just was
like toi changed my life and now I want
to just be a part of his journey. How do
you get the money? It's a lot of 150
grand is a lot to spend on. Oh, did he?
Yeah. Oh, I didn't ask. I didn't You
weren't curious. Well, I guess when 150k
doesn't sound like that much to me, I
guess like Well, anyone can have 150
that you could Yeah, but but to spend on
a discretionary painting from I mean I
I've spent like like okay an example is
I spent Steve will do it one of my good
friends he was losing a ton of money
gambling and he was in a bad mood at the
time I
had maybe yeah my net worth was around
$500,000 like cashwise I probably had
$100,000 but I sold a bunch of my
jewelry and I used my last $100,000 for
my name to buy my Richard Mill cuz he
was he's just such a good friend and he
was a horrible woman who's like, "This
will cheer him up. Nobody gives Steve
anything." So, the point being is that
it's not abnormal in my head that
somebody would spend an excessive amount
of money to give back to somebody that
means a lot to them. We're in such a
different like 150 grand. Yeah. But I
mean, look, I I I understand where
you're coming from. I just have to
accept that different people have
different priorities, which is it's
cool. It's cool to hear about. I'm
curious because you took an IQ test and
you said that you are like clinically
dumb. No, dude. that statistic that IQ
test was right after I got back from
Cabo. So, I was coming off of a ton of
drugs. I think that actually might have
been right after I won the It's very
hazy. But the point being is I remember
sitting down at the computer and looking
at the wall and you know when you look
at the wall and like everything's just
like fuzz. You have no thought. You're
just like brain fog. Yeah, it was the
worst brain fog I've experienced in a
long time. So, I knew it was not going
to be the best. I think I could do way
better if I retook that IQ test. I mean,
I I agree. I think for the for the bit
it's funny, but I mean you're obviously
smarter than the average person. Like
you you can't I feel like do what you've
done. And also it's interesting because
you have these random like really well
thoughtout epiphanies and I don't know
if you're coming on like up with them
off the cuff or if it's something that
you've thought about like you're like
yeah people say the grass is always
greener on the other side but what if
it's artificial grass? It's like gee
like how did you come up with that so
quickly? Like that would be the last
maybe good thought or useful good
thought that is I don't know why I have
these like small little epiphies that
you come up with that are like really
you know you you said something great
also about like becoming successful and
limiting beliefs and having the
conviction that you could do something
like there are most people think too
much for their own good yeah there are
nuggets of just information conceptually
that's not that difficult like
understanding like conceptually that
like people I don't think would come up
with something like that like that's
like that takes like a different level
of metacognition. You're like thinking
about thinking. I spend a lot of time
like consciously thinking. Like I'll try
and I I'm worse about it now, but I used
to spend like 15 minutes a day and I
would stare at a wall and they just
think cuz and you don't have to force
thoughts. Like everybody has incredible
thoughts in their brain but they're too
distracted because they're scrolling.
They're too afraid to let their thoughts
happen. And then a lot of people try to
think for a couple minutes and like it's
not working. I'm going to give up on it.
But if you sit there and just stare at
your watch for 5 minutes, you all of a
sudden you're, "Oh, I never realized
that about the watch." It just comes to
you. It's very natural for humans to
think. But in every today's society, all
the that like makes you obsessed with
dopamine or whatever makes it hard to
think. But if you spend even 5 10 15
minutes a day thinking, I guess have
elevated above what a lot of people and
I don't think my brain processes nearly
as fast as like what's that the
definition of a genius is someone that
can process information a lot faster
than whatever the average person but it
only takes 15 minutes of like my slow
CPU churning to come up with whatever
these ideas that I speak. So, what's
your advice to young people who feel
like just the price of everything's
going up, opportunities are hard to come
by, and they want to be successful. It's
not that you want to be successful, it's
that you have to be successful every
day. You, okay, I'll put it this way.
When you end your life, you're either
living your fears or your dreams. And
the fears being you never reached your
fullest potential. You never took care
of your kids. You never retire retired
your mother. You never treated your
friends right with everything that they
deserved. And then your dreams is
whatever your dreams might be. And every
single day the sun comes up and that's a
day that you're either watching Rick and
Morty smoking which is feeding your
fears or every day you're headed towards
your dreams. So there's no I want to be
successful. You have to and all you can
do is that day make sure that you're on
the side of the dreams. It might not
feel like you're making that much
progress, but if you go to the gym that
day, you get your meals in, and you
spend time like alone with your
thoughts. That's not much, but you're on
your way to your dreams. Everyone
thinks, "How the am I going to make $10
million? How how am I going to I can't
get a house cuz it's so expensive." And
then they start thinking this is a part
of the reason being too smart is no good
because you're way overanalyzing this
massive problem because the more you
think about anything there's a billion
problems with it. But if you just simp
make it super simple today I'm going to
work out and spend time with my own
thoughts. You're in the right direction.
So don't take it so the problem is huge,
but just chip away one day at a time and
don't even you don't even need to think
about the end goal of having a house
every day. Like you have that initial
thought and you're like, "All right, now
that's on the pin board and every day
we're just going to slowly work to
better myself." And what do you think
holds most people back? The idea that
it's too big of a goal. So it's like
this is just everyone says I can't get a
house cuz it's too expensive and that's
what they say. They didn't get a house
cuz whatever. And I'm not even You know
what? I'm just going to get a regular
job cuz it's and it's not even worth
trying. But I'm the perfect example
of regular Joe with below average, not
necessarily below average, but pretty
average tools. Like I'm nothing not
special by any means and I found a
reasonable amount of success. So if I
can do it, why not you? Here's what I'll
say uh about you. You have you have two
really great qualities about you. One is
you don't overthink things and whatever
pops into your mind, you're just going
to go and do it without doubting
yourself. So I think that's really
important. You have that. The other
thing you have is that you picked I
think the right lane at the right time
for your personality because you're
really entertaining. like that first
video you posted is so unbelievably good
that it's just like you can't help but
keep watching it because every moment
there's just like another like people I
I think watch to expect you to like
crash out at some point. They just want
to see like oh what what's he going to
do now? What's he and you keep people on
edge and you're really really really
good on camera. Like your your hand
movements and the way you speak it's
like that's engaging. Like it it kept me
up. I was driving late in the car and
your videos are getting me amped up at
like 1:00 in the morning as I'm driving.
I didn't know I was good at YouTube. I
didn't know I was good at making content
until uh somebody one day said, "Oh,
you're funny. You shouldn't make a
YouTube video." I have never met once in
my entire life like a person that's not
good at like a useless person. Everyone
is phenomenal at at least one thing, but
people just don't know what they're
sitting on. Like inherently, you're
gold. you just think you're a piece of
[ __ ] because you're embarking on all the
wrong journeys and then it's a negative
spiral. You're going like the more you
fail, the more you think you're a piece
of [ __ ] But you just need to try enough
new things and eventually you're going
to find that you're incredible. And
that's what like I tell a lot of young
people like you're not a loser. You're
just not doing what you're meant to be.
Everyone is top 1% at at least one
thing. Really, if you've ever worked a
40hour week, that's not easy. Like, you
know how to work really hard. But people
don't give them that that credit to
themselves cuz they're like, "Ah,
whatever. I only made $1,000 last week.
I'm a piece." You woke up at 5:00 a.m.
every day. I couldn't do that. You just
out you outdid me. Even though I have
more money than you outdid me in hard
work, you know? So, everyone has
something. And what if they want to be
rich? What if that's their goal? What's
your advice to those people? Don't try
and be rich because that's when you get
lost in you get too focused on the end
goal. You will get rich if you become
the best at what you love. For example,
that dude that what's that movie the the
dude that climbs rocks and he does it
with Alex Honolul. I don't know. Either
way, no one would expect I'm going to
climb on thising rock so good that I'm
gonna be a millionaire. That guy is a
millionaire because he has a cool movie
now and he's like the best at climbing
rocks. I guarantee you he never once was
thinking, I'm gonna climb on this rock
for the money. So, you just have to be
focused on your passion and become the
best at it. And the money, as far as my
experience goes, just like falls into
your hands once you're doing something
that you like. Would you say that money
has changed you at all or that you're
happier with money? Like once you get to
say maybe 50k a month, then you can
really do everything. And then the money
beyond 50k a month doesn't add. Like I
do not feel happier because I'm wearing
half a million dollars of jewelry. But I
do feel happier that I have 50K a month.
I can take my friends on a vacation and
my mother out to a nice dinner. That's
the really where the money is valuable.
Um, as far as money changing me, no, I
always had a lot of people think it's
like I talk about money and I have a big
ego. I always had a really big ego and
knew where I was going. I just never
talked about it cuz the proof of concept
wasn't there. Nobody wants to hear
somebody that's living in a front
basement talk about I'm going to be so
rich one day you guys have no [ __ ]
idea. But now that I have the money, I
feel more confident in talking about
money cuz you know the proof of concept
is there. There's credibility. Um, so I
don't think it's changed me at all. How
did you get started gambling? What was
the first time you you did that? Oh,
dude, I must have been like 15 years old
that I can't even really online casinos
is where everybody like all me and all
my friends at high school is like,
"Let's bet on Well, I guess it would
start with betting directly against my
friend. I bet you $5 this." And it's
like, "Okay, that was cool. I just won
$10. I didn't have to do anything.
That's cool. I remember the first time
me and my friends opened up an online
casino was one of the most fun nights we
have ever had. We gambled $20 and it
lasted us about 4 hours and we went up
to 100 down and it was such a special
memory to me. Like the second I gambled
for the first time, I knew that I'm
going to do this for the rest of my
life. This is incredible. And what was
the most happy you've been for a win
that you remember? Gambling is best when
you're broke because then it's like
you're either not eating that day or
you're gonna eat steak. And so it was um
we did a $1,000 Plinko ball. Me and my
three friends split it and it hit a 9x.
So we made $9,000 and at the time I
didn't have rent money. So I had rent
money for 3 days and that was like the
peak. I've never been happier in my
entire life and I only won $3,000. It
was probably It felt probably 10 times
better to win that $3,000 than it did to
feel win whatever my biggest win is like
a million something. Do you feel like
you're constantly chasing that feeling
though? 100%. But I've accepted that
I'll never feel that unless I get go
broke again, which is exciting. That's a
productive thought that I just had. I
shouldn't be afraid of going broke
because life is more potent when you're
broke. The stakes are higher cuz I don't
have the safety net of at least I got a
bed to go sleep on. At least I can eat
food tonight. Like I go after this if I
lose a million dollars at the casino, at
least I can go out to dinner still. But
if you're broke and you're gambling,
then it's just
like life is so much more exhilarating
with everything else. Maybe it just
gives you motivation. If you have lose
everything that there's only up. If you
feel like you have nothing going for
you, you have nothing to lose. So, might
as well go for it. Do it all. When would
you say you were most broke? After I
made the million dollars when I was 18.
I think I owed the government maybe like
$200,000 and I had $13,000 in my bank
account. So that was probably my
brokeest. So how how long did it take to
recover from that? Well, I took that
$13,000 and I put it into Pepe 2 days
after it launched and then it turned
into a million dollars over like maybe
eight months. So it was like eight
months. Dude, I need financial advice
from you. I think that was Pepe. But you
know what's funny is the reason I like
Pepe so much is because of that
experience. And it's funny that I bought
Pepe because I would have never done
that, but I was just on the I was just
like, I'm [ __ ] Like, I am so [ __ ]
I don't even know how I'm going to get
this $200,000. So, I was I was
effectively full tilt, but life full
tilt on life. So, I was like, I guess
I'm just going to put I'm going to pick
a random meme coin and I'm going to put
my entire net worth into it and pray.
And I scrolling through the meme coins
like, oh, Pepe the Frog, that's funny.
Picked that one and then now it's like
worth what, $6 billion. And I invested
in it was worth like 30 million. So that
was just pure luck. I don't Do you feel
like you have like an angel or something
looking over you? Just like a lot of
people say toi's got plot armor cuz
somehow it always just works out. But
also I think that's the plot armor comes
from being so willing and confident like
manifestation is a very like the law of
attraction is very real thing. If you
can taste it, if you can see something
is so real that you can taste it. I
don't know why or how that works but it
comes your way. So, I think the mindset
and me being so um in touch with what I
want and attracting the things that I
desire has given me this like quote
unquote plot armor. Do you think you're
addicted to gambling? Yes. I think I I
don't think I don't think Gamblers
Anonymous has ever seen a beast like me.
I swear I it's sometimes I watch myself
on stream back and I'm I'm like, "What
the is wrong with you?" Cuz I don't
think I could go maybe 48 hours without
gambling. like it is I'm full on have to
gamble all the time but it's also
awesome like me and all my friends are
also addicted to gambling and it's like
a very fun experience and um we have a
very strong bond over Do you think
that's maybe you guys all enabling each
other and like kind of just or making it
seem normal because it's all you see
it's all you're around if you were in a
so say you're like feeding for crack
you're addicted to crack you're probably
feeding for like maybe once every 3
hours then you're in a room with 10
crack addicts every 10 minutes
somebody's we should do some at when
you're gambling it's like yeah every 10
minutes I'm sitting with my friends and
somebody's like let's go gamble so it is
very enabling but that's it's cool it's
not caused any problems thus far but I
don't like I seriously can't stop gamble
it's what's your plan long long term
like is it going to be one day you're
going to stop or you're going to scale
back here's the thing and this is
something that a lot of people have a
hard time um wrapping their head around
typically I don't think a week a week
out like you guys saw it was very
difficult for me to schedule this
podcast because I you were like you want
to do this in a month. I was like I have
no idea what I'm going to do in a month.
I might be in Dubai in a month. I might
you know. So I think one my life is
scheduled out in one YouTube video at a
time. I'll be doing a YouTube video and
I'm like taking a bunch of drugs in
order to edit it. This was a while ago.
But I remember one time thinking that I
was going to die because of the drugs
and I was just sitting there like just
get this YouTube video out and then you
can just get this YouTube video out and
then you can. So it's really like I have
no thought further than roughly 30 days
and then it's just like blank in my
head. Are you afraid of dying?
Definitely. No, I mean no more afraid
than anyone else per se. Like everyone's
afraid of So why why wouldn't you take
precautions to lessen the risk of you?
Oh, I would like to do that. And now
that I have the money to do it, it's
easier. Like I'm getting a MRI on my
whole body, figure out like exactly
what's I need to like address and focus
on. might get my blood work done more
frequently now just to like make sure
everything under the hood is good. Um,
but then again, it's like when you're
battling like the addiction of whatever
it might be like gambling and you want
to be healthy, like it's very easy to
fall into a weekl long bender and then
you come out and you're like, "Okay, not
good. We should run that back and not do
things of that nature." But that's kind
of like everyone has internal conflict
and that's like one of mine is like I
don't want to die but I also love doing
and gambling. So it's like if I could
give you unsolicited advice, you don't
have to listen to it. I would create a
budget every single month or a week or
day actually that you gamble guiltfree
and if you lose it, you go down to zero,
totally fine. But as long as you create
I've done this before without going over
it. No self-control. Like once you get
in the mind of a gambling addict, like
it's literally like I've tried to do
that at least 10 times. I've never stuck
to the budget ever once I start taking
drugs. like you're sitting there the
whole responsibility like you know
you're sitting there and you're either
in responsible mode when you're like
this is allucked and I need to set a
budget and then you're sitting at the
table and you don't it's that
conversation you had with yourself 4
hours ago never happened it doesn't
exist. I'm curious what generally causes
that tipping point between like, okay,
I'm done with Plinko. I'm going to clock
out for the night or like, I'm done with
this bender. I'm going to return back to
normal life. Like, what usually is the
motivation for you to end those things?
Well, the 1.8 million is cuz Rubet
locked my account. They said you're done
gambling. But you would have kept going.
I would have kept going. Um, and
then like the vendor situation is
usually predetermined, right? Like you
have a vacation. So, it's like I'm going
to be here for 7 days. When we were
doing the Toki versus Cabo video, the
trip was planned for 3 days and we ended
up being there for 13 days cuz every day
we just like let's extend it, let's
extend it, let's extend it. So, usually
it's like once your body is like it
can't take anymore like at a certain
point of doing so many drugs and
gambling like you do get exhausted and
you're just like okay the ROI is no
longer there. I can now and the drugs
very quickly don't hit the same like at
the first day of tok I'd probably take
three pills a day the last day I was
probably taking 100 a day so it's like
very quickly eventually the just stop
working and you have to take time off
and your brain is just like not working
so it's kind of like the tipping point
is not I don't pick the tipping point
the universe is like Rubet's like you're
done gambling or my body is like you are
done doing all of this and then you're
like all right then you return to
reality. I have a buddy who has a
gambling addiction and I've seen it and
it it's fine if you have money coming
in, but I've also seen it get to a point
where you're starting to like sell stuff
just to get enough money to like put it
all on one hand like sell your car, put
that on a hand, but lose it and then
think, okay, what else could I sell? I'm
going to double that to try to win it
back. And then if you win it back, then
it's like, okay, well now I'm zero
again, so I'm going to I'm going to play
now because it's like I didn't play at
all. There's so many ways to think about
how hard he's schemed to get money. Like
he just needs to he's like, "I should
sell my car." If dude, selling your car
is such a pain in the ass. If he just
used that energy like being addicted to
gambling to a degree forces you to be
productive and make something of
yourself or is like I I need The problem
is it's never ending. It's like you
can't be you can't out success the
gambling cuz eventually you'll keep
losing. Well, cuz I've seen him up a lot
of money, but he's justified a way to
spend it back. Like, let's just say he's
up 100 grand. Now, it's like, well, it's
a free hundred,000, so I may as well try
to double it. And if he doubles it,
well, now I'm up 200 grand. Let's go
again. And then you lose it all. Those
experiences for me are very exciting.
I'm not unhappy by any means because I'm
addicted to gambling. 5 months ago, I
tried to put my car on the bakarat table
and they wouldn't let me. It's just
funny like it's such an incredible
experience in memories because it's
crazy. Doing the crazy is what makes
life. The hard part is that I think
you're young enough where it doesn't
matter. You're rewarded for it because
if it's on camera, you'll get more
followers, more money, and it's a part
of your income. So, it makes no
difference right now. The problem would
be is if if eventually you don't get it
under control. Cuz right now, you could
easily say like it's working. There's
nothing that will make it get under
control because I don't have a choice.
Like if you have something that is very
important to you, like if I if the
livelihood of even say my dog was on the
line, I'm 100% sure I would stop
gambling in the pursuit of ensuring. So
if you if you have kids, a wife, a
house, that is so much more
instinctively
um important to you or to me at least.
Maybe other people are different that
the the gambling isn't even like, "All
right, I got to lock in and get this
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mean, you've definitely used it to your
favor. Is there a breakout video or
moment that like really catapulted your
success? Yeah, it was Togei vers Cabo.
Like that video probably made me $5
million for that one video alone. Like
that because it made me it was zero to
viral. Like that was when I went
mainstream is Togei versus Cabo. So I
think that video probably cuz at the
time I was taking like three grams of
steroids and then I was taking 100 a
day. So like realistically that's 100 of
what? probably doing like 60 rolins and
maybe no maybe like 70 riddins and like
10 to 20. So, holy like
were you like drinking alcohol or was it
just Yeah. Yeah, we'd be drinking too.
How does how does that not like honestly
kind of how does that not kill you?
Well, exactly. I think it took off 15
years of my life. Like I genuinely think
that video but it's like all right that
took off 15 years of my life. But the
net return on that the the more
dangerous part of that endeavor was the
steroids. the for somebody that doesn't
know much about steroids like half a
gram is like what people take and when
you're taking three gs you're in like a
really bad spot like you better be
that's what people like the dudes that
are on a stage the 300 lb crazy looking
mother that's what they take like three
grams so when you mix those two it's a
hor horrible for your heart horrible for
your cholesterol horrible for your
kidneys your liver it's just off but I
don't regret it at all cuz I think um
well again it made my career pretty much
so how much would someone have to pay
you to guarantee take a year off your
life. Oh, at this point, no amount of
dollars. Cuz like a good experience with
friends, going on a vacation, that's way
more valuable than a good memory is
worth 5 million to me or 10 million to
me. You know what I mean? Yeah. What
wouldn't you do for money? Is Is there
like a line you refuse to cross? Um I a
lot of things I wouldn't suck it. Well,
I mean, maybe if there was How much
would you suck it for? Maybe. You're
pretty rich, though. Uh no, I mean
there's a lot of things I would not do.
I mean, there's a lot of things that are
like $10 million. I totally suck 100%,
dude. Um, but there's certain things
that like are morally just no good. Like
if you are really crossing the line of
human ethics, like I wouldn't somebody
you know what I mean? So assuming it
doesn't hurt anybody. Oh, it just if it
doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, give me an
example. I can't think of anything.
Would you sell a kidney? That's hurting
me. That's hurting me a lot. And I my
kidneys are barely working. So, as far
as the harm, like if you're if hurting
myself is included, there's no nothing
that I wouldn't do any harm to my body
or other people for any amount of money.
What about surgically removing one
finger for $10 million? Oh, well, I
mean, and you could pick the finger.
The [ __ ] You all 10 fingers. Would you
do that, Graham? You would 100% do the
whole thing? I'm not an athlete. I What
do you Every day How many typing would
be kind of difficult? Is that worth $10
million for you? 10 million. I wouldn't
do it. I don't think I could. I'd cut
off my feet for $10 million. Are you
kidding me, dude? This is outrageous.
Honestly, at a certain point, that is so
much money. And your toes are so
unimportant. I think I don't really know
the human toes that often. Imagine you
how many people like hardworking people
that deserve money, have kids, but
they're just stuck in the loop. You
could change a thousand people's lives.
I don't know if that math is right, but
you know what I mean? How good would
that feel to do that for a month? Dre,
you're just like changing lives. One
finger. You'd have to be to not get rid
of one finger and you could potentially
save a thousand lives or Plinko. Or
Plinko. Why is fitness so important to
you? That's where my confidence is
rooted. Right. Before fitness, I was a
skinny, insecure kid. And then I started
going to the gym. Every man needs to go
to the gym because it shows you that you
are worthy and that you have something
going on for you. Because a lot of
people don't have anything going on for
you. And even though getting more
muscles isn't necessarily like super
productive, you see that I put in the
work. It wasn't easy and I got results.
Like it's the most linear work to
results thing. And it's very realistic.
It takes years to see like really
phenomenal results. And so that when a
kid is insecure, doesn't know what he's
doing, doesn't know what he wants to do,
and just feels like, "Ah, I'm a loser. I
can't do anything." But then you get
jacked and all of a sudden people are
like, "Wow, he looks good. I want to
look like him." It reinforces the idea
or it even just shows you the idea that
you can if you show up every day no
matter where you started. So then what
was the motivation for then going on
gear once you felt like you've already
developed a pretty decent physique? It
just I love everything more like more
extreme. It was like, I look good, but I
want to be extreme. And the reason I
took steroids is cuz that's when I was
really broke. And I was pretty
desperate. And I was like, I need to get
famous. And I was like, what's something
that I'm interested in has a large
audience of people that really like it,
that will like a video, and a large
audience of people that dislike it, that
are going to make hate comments. Like
the perfect storm for going viral. Cuz
before I went viral, I would spend hours
watching Jake Paul videos with a
notebook. Not because I like Jake Paul,
because I was like, what is this guy
doing? Like, why is it different? Why is
Bryce Hall so famous, so relevant still?
How did he do this so fast, and he's
incredibly successful? You need
something that people hate and love and
large audiences. And so, what I landed
on was steroids. Like, that bigger
muscles sounds cool to me and it has the
perfect storm. I might as well try it.
And uh if it doesn't work out, then it
was like it was a good journey to embark
on. But in my head, it wasn't that huge
of a deal if you took steroids and then
stopped taking them because it didn't
work out. Have you noticed your
personality change at all with taking
steroids? My friends say like when I'm
on trend, like I've had uh I had to do
one deal and there was I had I was
hiring like three employees for a brand
and they were like in the contract I
want there to be a clause where if
you're on trend, you can't fire me cuz I
guess when I'm on trend it's like it's
noticeably more aggressive, more very
irrational. But like just testosterone,
I feel about the same. Maybe like 20%
more confident uh and 20% more driven,
but 20%'s not a significant marker in my
mind. And what about your diet? What do
you do you try to eat? Well, so I eat uh
like chicken and rice every day. Like I
eat clean. But I saw in one of your
videos you were like, "All right, I'm
not going to go get Starbucks for
breakfast. Instead, I'm going to eat six
donuts." And then you go to like
Starbucks and you'll get like, you know,
10 espresso shots in one thing with like
10 pumps of That was when I thought I
was invincible. Like that was before
I understood that death is like a real
thing. And like some of my friends have
had heart failure and health scares. So
it's when you see that you're like,
"Okay, I need to make a change." That
was pre determining that that was I
really thought I could do anything. How
did you still stay lean though when you
were eating food like that? Was it
cardio? The steroids like really. So
what do they do? Just like make your
body run hot. I don't know how they
work. I just put them in my body and the
steroids make you skin shredded without
I never did cardio. I still never do
cardio. I eat clean now so that helps.
But you can you go for like a a run and
feel fine or n I started swimming for my
ankle and I swam down up and down my
pool twice and I like thought I was
going to drown. I cannot so bad. Well,
because when you steroids I do I think
don't quote me on this guys I think it
makes your cardio worse. Like imagine if
you were 35 40% heavier. Your heart is
not meant for your genetics to be
pumping blood into all like your the
carrying oxygen throughout your body is
very difficult. So I started out 170
lbs. All of a sudden I'm 230 lbs. That
50 lbs is very hard on your body to like
keep up especially in such a short
period of time. your heart is just like
what the [ __ ] is going on? So if you're
not training it via cardio then it's
like when I was on a lot of steroids and
same with all my bodybuilder friends
like you walk up the stairs and you're
gassed after 10 steps of stairs so I'm
trying to be a little bit better about
it and I'm not taking steroids right
now. Um what are you taking? Just
testosterone which is technically
steroid but it's I'm not taking very
much of it. Would you say testosterone
is like the one if you want like the
8020 rule you want to do like 20% of the
effort with 80% results testosterone
would be the one. Oh, 100% testosterone.
Well, you have to take testosterone. You
can't take other steroids unless you're
taking testosterone because other
steroids make your body stop producing
testosterone. All steroids make your
body stop producing testosterone for the
most part. So, you have to start with
that. Does getting jacked help you with
girls? I don't think girls care. Um, but
it helps with your confidence like I
talked about earlier. So, that's where
like that goes a long ways in getting
girls, but girls don't care what you
look like. Top five things that girls
care about. Um, can you make them laugh?
How does the room treat you? Like, do
people respect you? Are you confident?
And then like, I don't know. What else
would I imagine girls care about? What
do girls care about? Well, she doesn't
know, dude. Because, have you ever asked
a fish how to catch a goddamn fish?
Dude, right before this, we we filmed we
filmed with a dating coach. It was a
female dating coach uh that coaches like
men on how to That's the biggest scam of
all time, dude. That's so funny because
that's like what a lot of the comments
on our podcast. never gotten laid by a
girl, bro. Like, she's never gotten a
girl. How are you going to coach me? I
feel like her advice was pretty sound.
It was sound for a dude I feel like in
his 30s who wants a relationship. It
It's very tailored. If you go like down
the psychological
uh rabbit hole, like surface level, you
might get more girls with these basic
ideas, but when you're like really
trying to attract a lot of women, like
if you guys know who John Zurka is,
really intelligent as far as psychology
goes, and his whole thing is like
teaching men how to get girls. And if
any girl looked at that advice, they
would be like, "This is disgusting and
also not how you would get a girl." But
very effective for So like what is the
psychology of it? Well, like a lot of
girls would be like, "Oh, you have to be
like generally speaking, oh you have to
like show that you care and like you
know be like gen like a gentleman nice."
No girl wants especially in my age like
no girl wants to feel like a guy is
fully committed to them. No girl wants
you to be like head over heels in love
with them even though that's what they
think they want. They want to always
have somewhat of a chase. Like let me
get more, let me get more, let me get
more. In terms of like the magnetism,
that makes sense. But in terms of like
the girl being happy, like I I don't I
feel like it'd be difficult to if you
get like further if you get like if
we're talking relationships as far as
like a healthy relationship, then you
adapt. But to initially attract these
women, like you have to use like certain
um methods and idea that are a net
negative for the woman's mental health
or whatever and like they're not going
to be as happy, but that's how you
attract them. You've also previously
said that weed you believe is the worst
drug you could put in your body. Why
not? Yeah, cuz it makes you happy doing
nothing, right? Like the problem with
weed is it makes you so content with not
doing anything. like any other drug that
you put in your body, you want to even
something like ecstasy, at least you
want to go out and talk to people, have
sex, whatever, which is ecstasy might
not be the best, but weed is the only
drug that doesn't really have a
hangover. You can do every day and
strips your body of your thoughts.
People say it makes you more creative.
But the only reason it makes you more
creative is because it makes you content
sitting there doing nothing. If you were
not baked and you were sitting there
doing nothing, you would be 10 times
more creative. The ptheads think it
makes them creative because it forces
you into a state of meditation. Whereas
if you could do that sober, your
thoughts would be a million times more
creative than the baked ones. But people
are just confused because they don't
meditate. They don't think, but weed
makes you happy doing nothing. So it
forces you into that um mindset even
though you're intoxicated and your
thoughts are not clear. They're not as
good. If you're going to do any drugs
like is better than like said cuz it's
not going to kill you. Like the drugs
can like kill you but in the sense of
your mentality and your success will
make you chronically unsuccessful.
Obviously there's outliers like Snoop
Dog very successful person but for 99%
of people it's very very unproductive. A
few months ago you took what you thought
was but it was like laced with meth. I
don't really know what had in it cuz I
was also doing cocaine and I overdosed
because I took like I took a gram and a
half of so a gram and a half. Yeah, I
think it was 37 pills of 30 milligrams
that were not real. Well, they were real
but they were, you know, made in a lab.
And and how long of a time span is that?
Um I don't know. Oh, I think I was awake
for I think I was on hour like 40 of
being awake when I had to go to the
hospital. Okay. Well, what did they do
at the hospital? I don't remember. She
was there. They just gave me some that
uh like turn your cuz I was like
seizing. So, they just give you that
like shut off your brain and like relax
your body or whatever. So, that cuz
their main concern was that my heart I
was going to have a heart attack cuz
you're having these seizures. Your
heart's my heart rate's at like whatever
190. The main concern is that your
heart's just going to explode in that
moment. So I think just by dropping your
heart rate giving you I don't know what
they put in. Do you remember seizing
like what that felt like agonizing the
most painful thing I broken bones but it
was well I guess if you think of the
idea of like banging your hand on the
table your body sends a symbol like oh
that hurt because there's a little bit
of damage. Imagine every inch of your
body is effectively failing. It was head
to toe the worst pain I've ever felt for
hours. I had I don't know like what the
definition of PTSD is, but I like I get
panic attacks from sometimes like I'll
be sitting there and I'll feel like cuz
there's a distinct feeling that I felt
right before it happened and something
will feel like a little similar and I'll
be sitting there and I start freaking
out. I have uh I get um what's it
called? uh sleep paralysis that I I'm
laying there and I think I'm dying again
or like having a seizure very
frequently. I don't know how you define
traumatizing, but it very frequently
comes up in my everyday life. It's less
and less now that I it am so scared of
something that painful happening to me
again that I frequently panic about it.
when you were like lying there and did
did you did you think that you could die
in that moment or did you I thought
there was like a 50% chance I was going
I was sitting there thinking what were
those thoughts like well it's hard to
have good clear thoughts when you're in
so much pain but I just remember
thinking like I cannot believe I
sacrificed my potential because my
potential whatever you go every day
you're living you die your fears or your
dreams and if I died today I would be at
10% of my potential so that is by
definition my fears not reaching my full
potential. So I was sitting there, I was
so mad at myself that I let myself slip
up in like the whatever lapse of
judgment and take this many where I was
just so sad and angry at myself that
I'll never get to see what I could have
been. And then the second half was it I
was extremely
um angry at myself that my mother would
have to live through the the Versan
because that's like the worst thing a
person could experience in as far as I
could imagine. So, it was um just
regret. Nothing but regret when I
thought I was dying. Just like I cannot
believe this. I cannot believe I [ __ ]
up this bad. Do you think that resulted
in any like long-term permanent change
in your behavior or do you think that
like you slipped back to old habits
after some time had passed? I probably
take 80% less drugs, 90% less drugs
after that. Well, I guess I have that
was like the most ever taken. But now
that would like really inspired my I
need to get healthy. I need to take care
of my body. I'm I am scared of that was
the moment it changed. That's when I
realized I don't want to I can die. I'm
not invincible cuz I thought I was
invincible and now I'm try and treat my
body with more respect now. For sure.
What about the influence you have on
other people who watch you and maybe
some of these things are glamorized of
gambling and and doing like you do it.
And it's not like I hide anything,
right? I post my blood work when I was
taking a ton of steroids. people see my
blood work see that oh hey his liver is
like functioning at 20% or whatever uh
oh he overdosed he's in a hospital he
almost died if I wasn't showing the full
story then there's maybe that's not a
great influence but if you watch me and
my content there's no part of the
consequences that I hide so you can see
the lifestyle I choose and you can take
it with I should or should not do that
based on he gets this fun experience
But then also he struggles with like if
you watch my content you can see that
there's demons there and he struggles
with what like clearly a ton of
addiction problems but that's kind of
like what comes with the lifestyle. So I
think it's if anything more informative
that people get to see like truly the
full story of like the rockstar
lifestyle. What are the demons? It's
mostly the push and pull of I want to be
happy, healthy, live a 100 years, and
then it just takes one lapse and then
all of a sudden I'm doing a ton of bugs
and like doing things that cuz I am
scared of dying and I will continuously
embark on habits
that are like would kill you. That's my
biggest um push and pull in life. Like
my biggest struggles for sure. And what
about having a positive impact on people
who watch your videos? How do you
balance that or do you does it matter? I
I just hope that everybody that watches
my
videos laughs like the goal is to make
somebody smile. I get um a lot of
backlash and a lot of like support
comments and the my most the comments
that I love the most is like oh like I'm
really stressed out about this or this
isn't going well in my life. But thank
you for posting this video cuz it lets
me forget about my problems for 1 hour
for 2 hours. for two hours. I get to
escape my reality and just have a good
time and laugh. And I also do like like
if you've seen any of the book of Togei,
that's my next video is the whole togei
talks book of Togei in one video. All my
ideas that I hold highly in my head
about believing in yourself and becoming
a better man. I think everybody can do
incredible things and 90% of men think
they're destin destined for way less
than what they can accomplish. So, I
really just try and push the idea and
try and inspire people to take the leap
of faith and embark on what you know you
truly should be doing. The biggest risk
is not taking the risk. Cuz if you never
take the risk and do what you love,
you're going to spend your whole life
and it seems safe. You go to college,
you have a job, and that's what they
tell you is safe, but that's the death
of you and that's the death of your
soul. And it kills me to see my friends
going through that every day. They
graduate college
and they immediately start like the
world would devour your personality and
soul if you're going on the path that
they tell you to like listen to your own
path. So the idea is that I I want
people to do what they love and be
inspired and laugh. Do you ever feel
like you have to play up to certain
standards and expectations of the
viewers and that you have to like
overcompensate because you know of the
the demand of the YouTube algorithm? Do
you feel like you know Shane ever gets
like lost in toi or do you think these
are somewhat synonymous? Well, it's
pretty clear like you'll have a
conversation with me and you'll see like
pretty mellow like you thought I was
going to come in and start breaking,
right?
Like I would start breaking if I was on
or whatever,
but Togei is
just Shane, but 20% more exciting, 20%
more daring. I'm willing to buy the fake
watches because like if I there was no
camera, I would have not pulled the
trigger on those watches, but in my
head, I still thought it was a good
idea. And all all successful influencers
do that. Like you really think speed is
barking at people all the time. like he
probably wants to in his head cuz he's
crazy as [ __ ] but he doesn't bark at
people when there's no camera cuz that's
justing weird. But when there's a
camera, he's barking doing all this
crazy stuff. So that's kind of like what
you have to do. Um and when you even
when you see an intro of what is up
guys, welcome to this vlog. So like I
feel very authentic to
myself, but I just when the camera's on
in a nonpodcast sense, it's just like
all right, let's level it up 20%. You
know, it's interesting. The only person
that I've met who's the exact same on
camera. Like no difference whatsoever is
Danny Duncan. I met him for the first
time the other day. He doesn't play
anything up even when the camera's not
on. Same as Dax Flame. He's still Yeah.
Dax too. But he's still just like
himself camera or not. Yeah. Some people
are just blessed with they were truly
truly truly meant to be famous. Like
that you as a person is just perfect for
the camera, perfect for all this. But
for me, I found more success in being I
found great success in being like
totally totally mellow Shane, but I
found like a little bit it it helps the
algorithm to be a little more crazy, a
little more aggressive. So, yeah. Do you
ever censor yourself? Yeah, I I don't
talk about a lot of things because for
example, talking about sexual things and
women, YouTube, you can't do any of
that. it will get banned immediately if
I have like I used to do like streams
with girls in a hot tub. Can't do any of
that. Don't do I'm not racist, but I
think like racist jokes are funny. You
can't make those on YouTube because a
lot of people don't get the joke. The
algorith or the whatever censoring bots
don't get that it's a joke. So, I censor
myself much more heavily than my I like
I'd say my videos would be twice as
funny to me at least if I could be truly
myself. But my lifestyle is so explicit
that I would say every video roughly 90%
of the footage doesn't get to go in the
video because it has to be censored.
What about like a toy uncensored? I've
thought about doing that. Yeah. If you
put that behind a pay wall. Oh my god. I
hate the idea of um Well, I I'm just so
busy putting out YouTube that if I like,
okay, we also now are going to post the
uncensored version. I that I would
effectively be reducing my productivity
by whatever uh 50% and then is like is
the ROI for me personally like I would I
have uncensored uh stuff that's unedited
that I enjoy watching myself that I
think is funnier but to put it behind or
like some random website. It just feels
like the ROI of putting out another
censored YouTube video grows my brand so
much more than putting I don't know like
having a toy uncensored website. But
it's something that when I have more
free time, I would like to drop like
crazy like all of the footage um of like
my whole career, like the craziest [ __ ]
sometime. But for now, the growth has
been so perfect that I don't feel like I
want to embark on that. Do you have any
regrets where you wish you could go and
tell your younger self like some advice
or don't do that? No, I think my life is
uh as blessed as and perfect as I could
ask for. Like obviously the things could
be better but nothing is perfect and
that's why things are amazing and every
mistake that I've ever made has made me
the person that I am today. So and I
wouldn't trade my life for any person.
Like if you could be would you swap your
life for this person. I wouldn't cuz I'm
doing what I love. I'm doing what Togei
does. This is Togei. So no I can
confidently say that I as of now have no
regrets. What would you say is your
biggest insecurity? Oh that's a good
question. My biggest
insecurity I I became famous in like
show like where like dude even just like
these watches like it's to get attention
and like I think deep down that kid that
in high school cuz I wasn't popular in
high school like nobody like I wouldn't
get invited place nobody really liked me
that much and I think that like had
rooted something inside of me that it's
like I don't want to be forgotten about.
I don't want to die and nobody shows up
to the funeral. I I don't want
to not have a name. And some people say
that's like egotistical maybe, but I
think it more comes from a place of
insecurity. That kid always got
forgotten, unnoticed. And so that's why
I'm so aggressive on like that's why I
part of the reason whether I'd like to
admit it or not, that's why I want to be
famous is because I was so insecure
about that exact thing. The only thing
I'd like to get across, at least from my
perspective, since we are mostly like a
financebased podcast, I would love to
see you take 20% of every dollar that
goes in your account, 20% and stash it
away in a fund that someone else manages
that you don't have access to. Every
time we do this, Hold on. Every time we
do this, the audience, they say, "No,
but Graham, you shouldn't try to control
these people's lives and dictate." We've
we've ran into this quite a few times.
who's done a great job at this is Steve
will do it. His mother runs his bank
account and he doesn't even know how
much is in that bank account and that
that would be great if my mom just had a
bank account and it's like okay here's
cuz then I could forget about it if I
have full control over money. So that is
something I'm working towards is I'm
telling you paying someone for my mom
pay someone 60 to 80 grand a year just
to control how much money goes in your
account. That's all it is. So all the
money funnels into one account they
disperse it to you. That's it. And they
keep 20%. great idea, but I've just I'm
just lazy. Like at the end I should, but
every time I'm like, "Okay, like what's
on the list of priorities today?" I wake
up and that's it on the pin board, but
making a YouTube video is always number
one. So, so much of my life gets
neglected because make a YouTube video
and then all of a sudden I spent 10
hours making a YouTube video that day
and then I kind of just forget. That'll
be your biggest ROI. You'll see it 10
years from now. You'll be like, "Holy,
there's $10 million. there's $10 million
in the account and I had no idea. And
they're going to say, "Well, great. Now
it's in a trust and it's going to give
you x amount every single month." Yeah,
that idea is correct. It just gets
forgotten about cuz it's boring. Like
fundamentally, it's responsible. That's
what it is. Things that are responsible
and boring to me. Like it for some
reason, I just don't think about it too
often. I don't know if it's cuz I'm
young, but I just don't really Why can't
you shift your mindset to think that's
cool? It's cool to like save a little
money. I think what is cool is you think
saving money is cool. I think tremble
alone is cool. Nobody thought trend was
cool until I thought it was cool and
then I was like, "Oh, wait, hold on,
guys. This is a pretty cool thing." You
could still You could still do it just
with 80% of it instead of 100% of it.
No, but the idea of Yeah. I I do I don't
know. I don't know why I think the way I
do. I I I just Would you would you take
my suggestion to heart and maybe like
look into it or no? I mean, I could say
yes to your face, but after I'm going to
go home and nothing is going to change
because here's the thing is like you're
leading me to water, but yeah, you can't
make me drink. And I even though I know
I should, that's just part of like
admitting my flaws as a human is like
there's just no way that's going to
happen. How about this? You have my
number. I'm I'm a text away. if I could
ever help you at some point in the
future. Okay, I appreciate that. The
doors open for as long as you want it.
Eventually I something will happen that
wakes me up and it's like, holy, I
should have been saving that whole time.
And so there's probably going to be a
phase of devastation in my life. I could
imagine which I'm prepared for and I'm
excited about. And then after that,
maybe it's like, okay, let's get the
building blocks correct. Listen, even if
it's 5 years from now and you shoot a
text be like, hey man, it's here. I'm
down bad right now. Please, can I borrow
50? Flinko's hot tonight. Oh my god. Now
that I got your number and you're super
wealthy, you might be getting calls. I
mean, I need like 10. It happens
frequently where I wake up the next day
from being really drunk and I called
about 30 people on my phone number and
asking for like hundred something,000. I
wouldn't I wouldn't do that. How how
much cash do you have? I would consider
it. I saw you paid back with pretty good
interest to one of your friends. You
know what? I always pay back I I always
make it a priority to pay people back
with at least like I give them at least
20% every time just cuz it's like, "Oh,
that was really nice of you to give me
money when I was drunk gambling." I
don't think the money is important
whatsoever. I think the main thing is
just that you're safe. I like you're I
think you're a really cool, super nice
guy. You didn't come in here and snap
down to earth like Graham. Yeah. You're
just like a normal watching your videos
so over the top. Yeah. I'm a regular
dude and that's why it's incredible.
Like that's why I think it's uh I I
think I'm the most average person ever,
but I operate at such an above average
level. And that's why it's like I think
everyone can do this. Everyone can.
Everybody It gets me so excited thinking
that everyone and anyone can do
everything they want cuz I did and I'm
literally like I know better than
anybody. How much cash do you have on
you right now? Like physically? Yeah. I
think there's 20,000 in the car. Really?
Yeah. And check for 100 to the casino.
Oh, wow. I was about to say if you want
to do a coin flip.
Coin flip a watch. No. Um I mean, yeah,
we can do a coin flip. Do you cash love?
$10,000 coin flip. No, I wouldn't do I
wouldn't do 10 grand. You're so rich,
dude. You have 10. Are you worth over
$50 million? No. No, I'm not. No. No.
It's a pretty nice house. Do you own
this house all the way? No, I have a
mortgage. Oh, cuz you're all smart about
it. But you could own it if you wanted.
Yeah, I could own it if I wanted to.
Probably the most I would do on a coin
flip is probably a grand and that and
that for me is crazy. Realistically, I
do 100 bucks. Do you ever gamble? Rare.
200 bucks. Yeah. My my max is like 200
because if I lose more than that, I get
upset. And if I double, it's just like,
okay, fine. I double because that's what
that's just the difference. You think
saving is cool, which is cool that you
think that's cool. I don't think it's
necessarily cool, but that's what gets
you excited. Like I'm sure watch like
I'm sure you get the same amount of
dopamine that I get winning crazy
gambling as like you see over the year
the S&P grew your account that much. I'm
sure the dopamine if I'm up 5% in a
year. Yes. That's awesome. So that's
great dude. Whatever is floating your
boat I can totally respect that. All
right cool. Well we have some rapid fire
questions. So we're just going to end on
these. Would you rather give up steroids
forever or give up gambling forever? Oh
dude.
That's These are supposed to be rapid.
That's one of the hardest question.
That's the hardest question I think
anyone has ever asked me in my whole
life. Pro. Okay, here's the problem.
Probably steroids because um I'm
physically dependent on them. So,
steroids. Physique versus money. Win Mr.
Olympia once but go broke or win $10
million in gambling. Oh, $10 million.
But you can never lift weights again.
$10 million gambling. 100%, dude. You
can never lift weights again. Well,
okay. Can I like exercise? Like can I
just can't lift a weight? I can do like
calisthenics and like workout because I
go crazy trying to do calisthenics with
Larry. Dude, it's hard. That is so under
like I I looked like a I think
calisthenics physi physiques are like
the best looking. I have no problem
looking like that. So if I can do
calisthenics, I'll take 10 million. If
there was a magic steroid with zero
health consequences that guaranteed you
the body of your dreams but took 10
years off your life, would you take it?
I think that's kind of what I've
effectively done. Like I've probably
taken off 10 years of my life and I have
the body of my dreams. So I Yes, I would
take it and I think I have. You have an
18-year-old son that says, "Dad, I want
to do a cycle just like you did." Do you
help him do it safely or do you talk him
out of it? I I talk him out of it. I I
would be cool with my kid taking
steroids if he's 21. You wake up
tomorrow and all gambling is banned
worldwide and serious and steroids
vanish from the earth. What's the first
thing you do for adrenaline? I'd
probably myself. What's more addicting
for you? The dopamine rush from a huge
jackpot win or the pump from a crazy
heavy gym session while on gear? Oh, the
pump while you're on gear. It's
incredible. The best feeling a person
could feel. What does it feel like?
Well, so have you ever gotten you go
workout and you feel incredible. Your
muscles are tight. They feel good. It's
like if that pump could get five more
pumps. Like you are always walking
around baseline pumped and then it's
like you go to the gym and then your
workout could get a workout. The
dopamine is unreal. If you could go on a
crazy weekend bender with any celebrity
or influencer, who would you choose to
party with? Jack, you got to read these
off a little bit. Dude, I'm like I've
had I've had such a long day. This is
the second podcast we've had, dude. All
right, let me take over. Any influencer
I could go on a crazy bender with. Dead
or alive. It could be anybody. Probably
uh the Rizzler.
You guys know that kid, of course. Yeah,
that would be crazy. What's your
favorite casino game of all time and
favorite steroid compound of all time?
One ad buys injectable super draw. Who
wins in a fight? You on one gram of test
or three Greg Ducets in tank tops? I
could probably kill seven Greg eight
Greg Ducets if I was on a gram of
testosterone. Could Natty Sam Sull
outlift Togi on a come down? Yeah, Sam
Sulick would get me on that one. If
you'd be open to this. Yeah. If we each
put in a hundred bucks and we just $100.
Yeah. Cuz I figured you would be in on
this. He would be so disinterested. No,
no. I'm excited if you guys are excited.
But but here's what we would do is just
I would do a random number generator on
my phone. One through three. One, two,
and three. And whatever it lands on wins
the whole prize pot. Oh yeah, let's do
it. Sure. What's the most you would do,
Jack? 200. I don't know what what's the
right number. I would do 200 bucks. Like
that way if I lose it, I'm not going to
be upset. Yeah. I mean, I just hope it
goes to to Shane if it goes to anybody.
Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it.
Okay. I have 200. I have cash. Cash. Do
you want me to Do you want me to grab
some I have cash, too? No. No. We got
some. How about this? You put
hypothetical 600 here so I don't have to
go to the bedroom, grab cash, but I'll
get cash for the
Is it bad luck that I'm not putting my
own cash in there? I feel like it's
There's no such thing as luck, Graham.
Are you Are you superstitious? No. At
all? No. No. So, I feel like it's bad
luck if you put money in that I'm not
putting it in. All right. Yeah. Yeah.
Grab grab your money. Let's find out if
it's bad luck. I don't want to find out.
He wants to win. Go get the money. All
right. Just give me a sec. Oh, yeah.
Here we go. Random number. All right.
Let's go. Here's your 200. Make sure
it's not prop money. I'm really excited
about this. I love this. So, here's the
thing. So, I love betting between
friends because that way if I lose it, I
know one of you has it. You know what? I
like that because you said that I'm
happy if you win too, Graham. Just a
little less happy than if if Shane. All
right. So, who wants to be one? I'll let
you guys pick. Oh, I want three. 100%.
Take two. All right. So, I'm number one.
Do you want to screen record? Yeah,
sure. Give me three.
All right. I'm one. This is awesome.
This is it.
Oh my god.
Yes. Okay. It was his idea. This is a
scam. You knew what he
like you would do. Let me see if that's
there. What's the most you would do? And
he's now it's two. All right. Good game.
Well played. Congratulations. There we
go. So, how is that dopamine compared to
watching your stock market money grow?
How was this dopamine you just felt?
It's a 10.
Let's go. That's awesome. But but here's
the thing. If if I lost the 200 bucks, I
would I would feel so bad that I would
stop. Like I wouldn't go beyond that. I
will say for some reason losing hurts
more than winning feels good. There's
something about losing money where it's
just like oh my god. Like devastation.
Any amount of money losing and then
winning like I think winning a h 100,000
feels as good
as how bad losing 50,000 feels. Does
that make sense? That makes sense. 2:1
ratio. I think they actually did studies
that loss is twice as worse as the gain.
Oh, that is the
It is true. So, yeah, if you lost 100
Yeah. So, you would have to win $200,000
for every 100,000 loss to feel that same
Yeah. feeling, whatever it might be, or
to overcome that. 100%. I believe that.
Well, this was successful. Yeah. Guys,
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