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There's a 90% chance that I win and

there's a 10% chance that I'm fully

devastated. Oh my god. Sometimes I watch

myself on stream back and I'm like,

"What the is wrong with you?"

You you What's the most money you've

ever lost in a single night? I lost

200,000 last night. Well, it's like easy

come easy go, you know? Like the most I

ever made was 2 million something in

like 48 hours. This is the greatest

gambling run of all time. This is

already I don't need to do anymore. How

would you rate your finances? 1 to 10.

10 100%. If you looked at a chart of my

finances, it would be outperforming

Warren Buffett.

There's no saving though. You don't save

at all. I save in the sense of I spent

$100,000 on this watch and I could sell

it for probably 80,000. Now, what about

the idea of saving and investing on the

side? What the am I going to do with

$100 million when I'm 70 years old? I'm

entering the danger zone. Do you think

you're addicted to gambling? I don't

think gamblers and honest has ever seen

a beast like me.

Togei Shane, thank you so much for

coming on the ice coffee hour. Got a

question for you. Why do people call you

the evil Sam Solic? Well, dude, it's

like he's just the exact opposite of me.

Doesn't go out, doesn't talk to nobody,

but we're both jacked. We both love the

gym. Like at our core, we're gym bros,

but I also embark on he's getting an

engineering degree and I'm getting a

degree in like whatever. So, it's the

complete opposites, but we're both like

two of the bigger fitness influencers. I

was researching for this podcast as I

was driving from Vegas to LA and I

watched you for probably 8 hours. Like,

no joke, 8 hours. I started at your

first video and made my way through.

Holy crap, they're First of all, they're

good videos. They're really addicting.

And it was interesting meeting you in

person because I had this idea that you

would come in like really over the top.

He was honestly horrified. He was like

he's like, "How many people do you think

he's going to show up with? Do you think

he's going to break something when he

comes into the house?" I'm like, "Dude,

I don't think he's going to do any of

that." A lot of people think I got this

whole like almost like a rockstar

persona cuz I got like these change and

this crazy lifestyle, but I'm the most

regular kid ever. Just a college dude. I

have five friends maybe. And I kind of

like I don't do collabs. It's just me

and then yeah, live the camera woman.

Well, we have a video that we wanted you

to to give your opinion on. We filmed

with Greg Ducet recently. Let me see

this. Let me see it again. If you could

delete one influencer off the internet

forever, who would it be? Man, the worst

one. I think we're going to go with

Togei. Wait, why? because he's promoting

gambling, recreational drugs, and he's

almost created a paradigm shift in

thinking that promoting and glorifying

drugs is cool. This guy has a lot of

power. He can go and meet people and

people know who he is and everyone wants

to be like Togi. Do you know what I'm

going to do now? I'm going to take a

bunch of steroids. Yeah, dude. Greg

don't mean that. He's just saying that

to protect his brand. Greg loves the

Togi clips. I'm telling you guys, Greg

Ducet loves that. Behind the scenes,

Greg is a gambler. I don't know if he

does drugs, but Greg parties. He

gambles. This is exposing Greg Ducet

right here. But a lot of people take on

the internet with the idea of I want to

make a positive impact. I'm an

influencer. Like that's what I do is I

influence. And so everyone that posts on

YouTube, you're just titled influencer,

which is not what I am. I'm just an

artist. Like I entertainer. I make art.

And they're just fun to watch. It's not

like you watch my video and you're like,

damn, I should go take a bunch of trend.

When I started doing social media, a lot

of people fall into the trap of being a

character. I can't talk about this cuz

brand risk. I can't talk about that. But

I never wanted to be a slave to my own

persona. So it's just like I'm just

going to do 100% authentic to myself and

then hopefully that catches enough

attention just being myself and then I

never it's then it's easy cuz I'm never

filming a video and I'm like a I got to

do this. It's always like this is

exciting. I get to do what I love to do.

Were you always a wild kid growing up

like doing stunts? Yeah. But everyone

is, you know, that's why people like to

watch my stuff. I feel like there's a

huge percentage of college students that

are just like me and they can just

really resonate with like, oh yeah,

yeah, that guy also like real

realistically I'm people come me like to

my friend group cuz they'll go on a

bender for 14 days. They're twice as

they'll drink twice as much as me and

I'm always like no like I can't I'm too

hung over like I don't want to do that.

To a lot of um the older people like

Greg Ducet it's like a kind of a newer

culture I guess and they see that and

they're like this is crazy but it's

normal. Everyone does like this. So,

what age do you become old? 35. How old

are you? 35.

You just turned 35 days ago. Two days

ago. So, I'm like on the cuff. People

been telling me that um they feel like

during their prime 30 to 40. So, what I

really liked, going slightly off topic

on this, your road to 10 million

challenge was to make $10 million. I

believe what 30 days initially. What was

the craziest thing that you did for

money? The painting I that I sold. Did

you see the painting? Yeah, I did. I had

a feeling like that it was going to sell

for a reasonable amount of money, but

ended up I got $146,000 for that

painting. Took me 8 hours and it just

like blew my mind that somebody was

willing and there was a ton of bids,

like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

of bids. That was definitely the most

bizarre way of making money, but it was

only 150k. The most profitable was,

oddly enough, online slots, which odds

wise, like RTP, if you're going to

crunch the numbers, that was like crazy

lucky. Actually, when I started the road

to 10 million, the joke was that I was

planning on just losing like $5 million

cuz that's usually how it goes. You But

then I first stream Road to 10 million.

I accidentally made like a million and a

half dollars. Like I I guess we might as

well try and make 10 million now. Like

the joke is ruined. It's And it's also

way cooler to make 10 million than lose.

Why 10 million? Well, hold on. Did you

have 5 million to lose?

No, no, no. It would have been debt. You

would have gone in debt. Yeah, but it's

cool, dude, cuz it's like the to the

casino is no problem cuz it's like So,

you borrow from I borrow from uh Rubet

and um the casinos in Vegas.

You borrow it at Well, since I work for

Rubet, they give me 0% interest. That's

why it's cool, cuz 5 million. It's like

I'll get to it, guys. You know what I

mean? See, but you still owe them the

money even though it's 0% interest. So,

they're not forgiving this. No, but it's

cool. How does it how is how how is that

cool? Because dude, it's like it's a lot

of money. I'm 22 years old. I have a

long time and I my income is like

reasonably high for my age. So I have a

long time to figure my [ __ ] out. I don't

got to lock in till I'm

until you're old. Awesome. What's the

matter? 35us 22, however many years that

is. I got 13 years of just likeing off.

And then like 34 years old, I'll be

like, "All right." He'll be like, "All

right, I'm 20 million in debt. I should

then you figure it out. But that's why

it's great cuz then it's like that's

when the world gets really real. Um 20

million in debt which hopefully I'm not

at that point. Then you got to lock in

like really hard and that's the best way

to do it. A lot of people say they were

losers unsuccessful until they had kids

cuz now you have something that you

literally like you it's life or death

basically. You have to be successful and

if you're in huge debt at that age it's

like lock it in. I'm sure I'll figure it

out. I never not figured it out. So, you

assumed you were just going to lose $5

million of of money that you didn't

have, but you ended up on the first

stream making, you said $1.5 million

gambling. Yeah, I think um at the time I

had uh well, it's hard to evaluate my

net worth at the time cuz like I have a

Lamborghini, but it's like I paid

whatever 300 something thousand for it,

but how much is it really worth? I don't

know. But I think my like roughly my net

worth was probably like

$600,000 at that time, but my income was

reasonably high. So, that's why I'm

comfortable losing. That first stream

you said you made a million and a half.

That was from slots and stuff. So like

after this stream, you're now worth $2.1

million probably approximately. Yeah.

Okay. And then you decided you're

actually going to go for $10 million

instead of it being like a gag of

financially yourself. Well, I don't know

what I was on, but I thought I was going

to make $25 million in 30 days. Like to

my soul, my core, like I was sitting

there. I was I'm going to do it. I

guarantee I'm going to do it. I would

have put it on anything. I'm going to do

it 100%. And then as I did, I was like,

this is ridiculous. Like I'm not even

close. this is impossible. But that's

the whole that's the great part about it

is like you if you are truly crazy

enough to think that you can do some

like just maybe can I do something crazy

if I just try and you really think it's

going to happen and you go for it you're

going to get pretty close like the end

road to 10 million I ended up like with

like four something million but if I was

a little smarter I would have never I 10

million in a month that's just never

going to happen. I'm not going to try

and then I would have zero amount of

millions of dollars. So that's really

the beautiful thing about like the crazy

delusions. So you actually ended up

making $4 million in a month. No, it was

two months. So 2 million bucks a month

for two months. Yeah. Did that motivate

you then to like continue that? No,

because I'm like 40 days in. I got like

4 million whatever. I hadn't posted a

video in forever. The sponsor's getting

mad that I'm not posting content. And I

was just thinking to myself, okay, this

is great that I have $4 million. But

also like realistically, I'm not a total

idiot. I'm sitting there thinking, if I

lose this $4 million, then the video is

back to zero. and then there's no video

at all and it's going to be a huge

problem. So, I stopped gambling around

$4 million in embarking on less risky

schemes like the painting. Um, I'm

making a song. I wanted that to come out

uh before the end of the video so that

way I could show people how much I made

from the song. Logistically, it's a lot

harder to put out a song than you would

imagine. And then um I like bought a

house, but we can't really tell if

that's going to be a good investment for

a long time. So, it's like, "All right,

we'll probably count that for a few

million bucks." What does your

accountant think of all of this? cuz I'm

thinking through it's like the gambling

that's got to be an impossible task to

calculate wins and losses and you wiring

money for Rolexes and they turn out to

be fake. All of these things that one in

crypto so that one's cool. we didn't

have to uh ever like the I think my

understanding I thought my videos were

enough financial proof to the IRS that

like okay yeah this is like what's going

on but then my accountant's like dude we

need like what the is this deposit for

half a million and I'm just like I don't

even I don't really remember to be

honest with you like a lot of things I

do I don't really know and I didn't know

I'm just learning now he called me the

other day and he's like the business

cards are for business expenses I just

whatever account I just pull out a

random card. Like did last night at the

casino, I used a business card, took out

like $10,000 just cuz I whatever. Pick a

random card. So, he is super unhappy

with me. I have not paid my taxes yet

cuz I texted him cuz it was due the

15th, right? It's like, yo, like how

much money do I owe? And he was like,

it's this is ridiculous. We're still

working on it. Because if you if you

made $4 million in a year, you probably

owe like half of that. Maybe a little

less cuz you're in Florida. Hopefully

not, dude. You'll owe you'll owe about

37 to 40%. That I can't make of that. I

cannot swing that. You guys are going to

have to give me some sneaky rich people

tips cuz I can't pay 40%. I'll be out of

money. Maybe.

I mean, we can we can we can be a

financial crisis. If I got to pay 40% of

my money, we could we could strategize

later. You made the 4 million this year,

right? That means you have a full year

to offset your income with expenses. If

you're going to owe this next year,

you're going to have a $2 million tax

bill so far, unless you lose the money,

in which case you're going to use those

losses to offset the 4 million profit,

but you would then be still net down

money. Oh, yeah. We're going to have to

figure something else that's not either

of those options cuz that's ridiculous.

50% of your money. You give 50% of your

money to IRS. I pay 37 plus another 1 to

2% give or take for random things. But

we're also in Nevada, 0% income tax

here. So if you were in California,

you'd be over 50. Yeah. No, I can't do

that. We'll have to But that's not

really a problem for another It's like

what, like 12, 13 months? Yeah, you

could stretch it. Now, I'm curious

though because you were you were

gambling and like consistently winning.

How were you able to do that? Was there

a strategy behind this or was it luck?

No, there's no such thing as strategy

and gambling. So, how how it works is

the like RTP is like your expected loss

and you can look at different games like

what's the best RTP. A lot of people

will go in play blackjack and it's like

why do I lose every time? But if you're

not playing perfect blackjack, the odds

of you losing are like 80%. But if you

play perfect blackjack, the RTP like

over an extended period of time, you're

expected to lose about 1 to 2% of your

money. But over a short period of time,

realistically the strategy, which is not

mathematically a good strategy, but I

always just raise the bet until I win.

So say I lose $20,000 on a blackjack

hand, the next one just put down 30,000

and you lose, put down 50,000, put down

60,000 and either it ends in devastation

or you're good and you win. And so now

you're sitting at like 90% chance that I

win and there's a 10% chance that I'm

fully devastated and the loss is so bad

that there's a huge problem. So, we're

just gonna pray that doesn't happen.

It's never happened. So, yet? Yet. But

now it's like now I got $4 million and

I'm definitely not paying no taxes. So,

I can You could flee. Yeah. Puerto Rico.

Well, the the idea is ideally I use this

$4 million, make some investments, and

then I won't have to gamble as much.

Like, I've already lowered How much did

we lose last night? I lost 200,000 last

night playing Blackjack. How did you do

that? Was that the strategy of doubling

down? No, I actually tried I called a

casino. I was like, "I need more money."

And they were like, "No." Because I was

borrowing it from them. So now I

actually owe them $200,000. So you have

3.8. Yeah. So now we got $3.8 million.

Wait, that decreases your tax bill. So

that's good. What does $200,000 mean to

you? Because to me it's it's it's nuts

to lose $200,000 and just be like,

"That's 200 grand, whatever." Well, it's

like easy come easy go, you know? Like

the most I ever made was a video I lost

everything 2 million something in like

48 hours just gambling and meme coins.

If you can do that, if you're willing to

take enough risk where $2 million is on

the table whatsoever, you got to be cool

losing $200,000. And also, it's like,

what is money really good for? You have

security and experiences. And the

security, you can feel fully secure. You

can do anything you want. 70K a month

and you can do anything in the world.

Everything. You unlimited doctor bills,

whatever, this and that, insurance,

everything you need. So after 70k a

month, it's like this money I might as

well just like

it's there. I don't see any value in

saving. Like what the [ __ ] am I going to

do with $100 million when I'm 70 years

old? As 70 year olds in a super car,

that's not cool at all. 22-year-old in a

Lamborghini, that's like super super

exciting, super fun. The ROI is way

higher blowing your money as a

22-year-old than when you're old. So I

kind of after I after my main base

expenses, all that money is just like

whatever. But what about the idea of

saving and investing on the side?

Building up a nest egg that would

eventually pay you the $70,000 a month

without you. Uh you heard of Pepe to

cryptocurrency? I I have. Yeah, that's

my investment portfolio. How much Pepe

do you have? You know, when you really

crunch numbers sometimes I I look back

on like a stream the other week I lost

$1.8 million. So really So you're down

to 2 million. Yeah, which is I we're

chipping away at taxes. But either way,

that was a majority. I had like 1 point

something million in Pepe and then I

gambled it all away. Has Pepe gone up

since then? I don't know. I don't look

because it makes me depressed. I got to

figure out I got to gamble and get some

more Pepe. Oh, no. It's about the same.

So, we'll get back in.

You're actually at 2 million right now.

I guess if you crunch the numbers, uh

about $2 million cuz that $1.8 million

loss was ass. How did you lose 1.8

million? Blinko balls, dude. Oh my god.

What happened was I didn't even want to

stream cuz I was working. Well, which is

technically streaming, but I was doing

like editing my video and whatnot. And I

was like, "All right, whatever. I'm

supposed to get some hours in. I'm going

to do a $50,000 buy in. Super mellow

stream." But then once you start taking

stimulants, it's like game over. The

second you take any amount of

stimulants, it's literally impossible to

stop gambling. So, one thing leads to

another. It was supposed to be a

30-minute stream. It was 15 hours and I

lost $1.8 million. It's on my cake. I'm

going to put that in the next YouTube

video. Why would you I know this is like

an obvious question, but is it easier

then just to say no to the stimulants

than it is to say no to the gambling if

you're on stimulants?

No. Um so it's a recipe for dis. It's

just like this. Yeah. But it's awesome

because gambling at a certain point it's

not even fun if you're not on

stimulants. Like if you're

not somewhat inebriated, it's almost too

stressful. You can't see the cards

right. Like you can't make daring enough

plays to do crazy where you actually win

cuz dude people will win 30% gambling

and they'll be like well that would kind

of suck. It's like cuz you're gambling

like a total [ __ ] Like if you're

inebriated then you can go nuts and it's

way more fun. You and that's what like

that's the purest form of gambling. See

I would say like I would try to provide

solutions like you'd have someone that

has control over your money and you

can't request money from them. You can't

try to borrow money from friends. You

like put out this mass message. But

also, if it doesn't bother you, like if

you're totally fine losing $2 million

and you're like fully conscious of, you

know, what you're doing, then there's no

it's really not a problem. Like, because

I have this safety net of I'm still

getting this somewhat passive income of

just by having my own brand and all the

sponsors pay me, whatever. I could lose

my whole net worth today. And it's like,

at least I got Dude, one year ago, I

lived in a frat basement free cuz I

didn't have any money to pay for it. And

I was so happy. It was so much fun. I

loved that. Like does does chain really

bring me like I'm not any happier with

the chain. I think if I had nothing

that's like also I'm in my bag when I

have nothing. I feel fully content being

poor. How would you rate your finances?

1 to 10. 10 100%. Dude, I mean who else

has ever made not who ever, but regular

college kid frat basement to now

I have millions of dollars. And if you

looked at a chart of my finances, it

would be outperforming Warren Buffett.

It would be outperforming. That's the

only dude I know that does finances. But

either way, way outperforming Warren

Buffett as far as the ROI in the time

that I'm doing. And where does savings

fit into all of this money you just put

on the side pepe until I gambled it

away? There's no saving though. No, you

don't save at all. I save in the sense

of I spent 100,000 on this watch and I

could sell it for probably 80,000. So

that's a safety net. I always No, it's

not terrible. But this is a good thing.

I I like the Anything is better than

gambling, right? So, if I just have

crypto or have money, then there's a

problem because it takes me 5 seconds to

get that money, put it on one blackjack

hand. If I So, every month I just try

and spend like a few hundred,000 on

jewelry and cars and then that way I

have your house access and my house. Did

you bullied? No, I put um 700 down.

1.3 million. I got bullied into buying

that house. I texted my friend, the

jeweler, and I was like, I need this new

car. It's like a $300,000 car. And he's

like, dude, you have spent $2 million in

the last year on jewelry cars and you

have no houses. Like, I'm not selling

you anything until you buy a house. I

like, well, if I'm going to keep buying

my jewelry cars, I got to buy this

house. So, he's a good friend for that.

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to the episode. Social media as a career

could be so fickle. I mean, we saw what

happened with Steve will do it. He just

one day just YouTube decided to delete

him and these algorithms are not

guaranteed. Do you ever worry about

maybe one day just something happens

outside of your control and everything

kind of gets shut off? Oh, yeah, dude.

But I'm ready for it. like I'm more than

excited to or more than willing to take

on any challenge and if I lost all my

social media it would be on I'd hit the

Scheme lab and then it's on to the next

thing. Like I would let myself complain

for 7 days. Okay, probably just do

nothing for 7 days. I'm depressed. Never

happened. Now I'm back. Now I got

nothing and now we're going to have to

do it again. Time and time again. I've

When I was 18 years old, I made um like

$900,000 trading crypto. like super high

leverage. And then I thought I was the

man. I thought I was the coolest kid

ever. Started partying a bunch, buying

like cars, whatever, traveling. 6 months

later, I was in debt to the IRS for

taxes cuz turns out vacation in Italy

doesn't count as a tax write off. So,

it's like I got this income from crypto,

still got to pay taxes, which is

ridiculous. For the record, I can't

believe that's how that works. But after

that, it was like whatever, we got to

find the next game. And I was like,

okay, now I'm just going to get famous

and make money that way. How do you have

such confidence? It's just like you seem

so self assured that no matter what's

going to happen, you're going to be

fine. There's so many people that have

more than me that are inherently less

capable. Like I've met so many people

that are just idiots, but they have so

much money. I've met like CEOs. It's

like, what the are you talking about

right now, dude? None of this. You are

so out of the loop. But you've got $5

million. So if you can do it, what?

There's no reason that anyone else on

the planet couldn't do it. So comparison

is good. How do you mean? Because a lot

of people say like comparison is the

thief of joy, but you use comparison in

a good way. Sometimes the grass is green

on the other side cuz it's fake, right?

You have to take everything you see with

a grain of salt. Like a good example is

that Haley Welch girl, Hakua, everyone's

jealous. Why is Hakua famous? How'd she

get famous? She's rich and famous. She's

rich and famous. That's [ __ ] that

she's rich and famous and I'm not. She

got too famous too fast for her own. She

was famous on borrowed effort. She

didn't have the trials to prepare her

for the success that she had, which is

unfortunate. She her empire was given to

her and she didn't ask for that. 2

months later, she does a cryptocurrency

scam, which was probably not her fault.

She probably had no idea what was going

on. She was just like, some rich people

are like, "Yo, come this way, do this,

do that." And then now all of a sudden,

her empire has entirely fallen.

Everybody would take their life over

Haktua's life now cuz she's got all this

[ __ ] legal [ __ ] going on. But 2

months ago, it's

like, this is so sick. I want to be

Hakua. She's so lucky. I think it's bad

management. To me, it seems like someone

put that deal in front of her and told

her to take it, and she's not

sophisticated enough to say no to it. Or

maybe on the surface, it appeared like,

"Hey, this is a fun little thing we

could do. It's a meme coin. It's funny."

But behind the scenes, she has no idea

what's going on. Well, that's the

problem is cuz she was too famous too

fast. And like how do you even know to

when to pick a manager when you fall

asleep one night, next day you got 10

million followers. How do you even set

up that entire like I'm still figuring

out like how to manage deals and go

about like what's a red flag? What

should I take money for ads wise and

whatnot and I've been doing it 15 months

maybe I don't know a year. In that short

of time you can never prepare yourself

for what she had. How is your business

broken down right now in terms of like

where income sources come in? How many

people do you have behind the scenes

that help you out? I got one Indian. His

name is Startac. He's the goat. Togei

reel. He uh Togei Rio is the coolest

dude ever. He's the hardest working

Indian ever. He does everything for me

other than me. So, the reason it takes

me so long to put my videos out is cuz I

plan everything. I edit everything. I

film everything. It's I'm a oneman army

and I do 100% of the work except for

like whatever the my Indian dude can

take care of. So, um, the expenses wise

there, it's like I keep that's it's cool

because I get to keep 100% creative

power, 100% of my money. Um, and there's

just like no one can [ __ ] with me. It's

just shout out my label Destiny. And

then what about income sources coming

in? I got um Rubet, Young LA, Kick,

uh, Snapchat. Is Snapchat pretty good?

They pay me like 30k a month. So, it's

like it's chill. Like, for what it is,

you don't have to work too hard on it.

There's got to be something else.

There's no way I only got four ways. Oh,

and and then technically the most

profitable thing that I do is gambling,

but the safety net, like the real income

is those four sponsors. Do you have any

financial regrets at all or are you

totally fine with all of the decisions?

If I could have stopped myself from

playing those Plinko balls,

uh, I would have done that. But as far

as like genuine regret, um, nothing off

the top of my head. Tell me about the

watches, the fake watches that you

bought. Oh, yeah. So, okay. I'm not like

so far out of the loop where I I see

this guy on the internet and he's

selling like whatever he's like four

Rolexes, one of them is a Daytona. Like

these are expensive watches. There was

at least 40% of me that was like this is

a scam. 100% this is totally a scam. And

then 60% of me was like it could be a

really screaming hot deal. And so my

idea is everything in my life that I do

as long as it's on camera, I'm willing

to take more risks cuz it's a little bit

funnier. It's a little bit more crazy.

So, when the camera's on, I'll gamble

twice as much. When the camera's on,

I'll be like, "If we're going to just

buy these watches in case it's a

screaming hot deal." And if it's a scam,

then it's like, "Okay, well, then at the

very least, people get to laugh at my

pain." And so, what happened for those

who haven't seen it? So, I'm looking on

Reddit for the cheapest possible deal on

some Rolexes, like the Rolex subreddit

or whatever. And this guy had four

Rolexes, maybe five, on sale for like

80,000 bucks. And I uh sent him crypto.

And then he sent me four fake watches.

Were they good fakes? What did you do

with the watches afterwards? Dude, they

were incredible fakes. I went to the

jeweler. They had to open up, look

inside the guts to see that the movement

was fake. Like the outside there like I

mean it looks like they they use these

crazy lasers and [ __ ] now. Especially

with like I guess Rolexes are really

easy to fake to be seen. So after I

think the watches are just out my crib.

Really? Yeah. Give them away. Yeah. But

then people are going to be like I got

this Rolex. I just fake. But it's also

cool because it's like I like to keep um

that that was a part of one of my Yeah.

It's like that was a fun little memory

getting scammed and it's like a cool

video. So like things that I do over my

videos I I like to keep on uh keep hold

of most of the stuff that was involved

in all of it. At what point do you think

you're going to want to have like a nest

egg? Like what savings? Yeah. I've never

thought about that in my life. Like I

guess I'll think about it right now. It

would be cool to have a nest egg right

now, but like then I have to embark on

how much how much do you want as a nest

egg? How much should I have? I don't

know. I mean, realistically, my goal in

life is to have $100

million net worth. So, nest egg would be

like what? What percentage of like you

have $10 million saved somewhere in like

S&P or something? What counts as a nest

egg?

I think a nest egg would just be like if

you're making let's just random number

here like 300 grand a month how or 400

how much would your life differ spending

400 grand a month to spending 200 grand

a month and you get to stow away 200

grand a month oh okay okay like and then

and then you have this $200,000 that is

untouched and it just rests in like

equities or something that's you know

conservatively grows year-over-year and

you at least know that like you'll never

be broke again. Oh, probably once I have

um more responsibilities whenever that

comes. Like when did in well at what

point in your life were you all of a

sudden like you got a whole bunch of I

don't know like I guess now I got this

mortgage that's pretty adult. I never

had a mortgage before. I got to pay

13,000 a month but probably not till

like 25, right? For me, I I mean, ever

since I was like young, like obviously

as I've like my income has grown, I've

become totally fine spending more money

on certain things, but I think it was

originally kind of about freedom. Like I

wanted to make sure that I don't have to

work if I don't want to. Like I have

some money that I could make some

passive income off of and I'll exist

fine. Yeah. But it's like what's the fun

and not what would you do if you didn't

work? Like having to work. It's having

the option option, dude. Because it's

like what? Like it's I would be if I

wasn't continuously that's why I say I'm

not sure if 100 million is the number

cuz I get 100 number 100 million I'm not

going to just stop working and off cuz

then what do you do like if I'm not

every day or like every month making

forward progress in whatever scheme I'm

currently working on. I would be

depressed if I sit there for seven days

straight and I don't do anything. I

start getting super depressed. And it's

just like, ah, what a what is going on

here? Without productivity and something

pushing you and pulling you to strive

for more, I think I would be super

bored. Here's what I would do. See, if

if I were you, I'd get 5 million bucks

on the side stashed away in investments

that you never touch unless you

absolutely need to. That is your fund

that no matter what happens to you,

you'll always have an income between 250

to 300 grand a year. No matter what, you

could do whatever you want to and you're

always going to have so much cooler with

$5 million. You could just the memories

like, bro, but just Okay, but just and

then you could think of the plink, but

you just get 5 million and then

everything after that you you could

blow. I think the thing is that he just

has he has it's so funny because we're

so in tune with like like the business

and hardcore finance and like grind and

like save. That's kind of our niche on

YouTube, but you're completely like on

the polar opposite side. So for us it's

just kind of like jarring and it's it's

it's interesting to hear like you go

back and forth on Airbnbs for like a

$100 difference. I I have to like we

have to understand that you just have

different priorities and that's totally

fine. Yeah. I think also a big thing is

like age. Well like realistically

imagine how much cooler or how epic it

would be if you blew a million dollars

on a crazy vacation, crazy with your

friends. Everyone you and your friends

will remember that forever. You give

your mom a million dollars. That's like

boom, retire mom. And then just like

giving I would like to just give away a

million dollars to strangers on the

street cuz that's like it fills my heart

with joy and it's fun rather than like

saving it making 300k a year guaranteed.

Like I don't that doesn't sound

interesting to me. It's just a safety

net. Like safety inherently does not

sound interesting to me. It's very

boring if things are too nice. like

almost that's why gambling is so

exciting is all gamblers to a certain

degree love the self-sabotage where that

was devastating and horrible but that's

why it's awesome because you could

potentially like my friend last night

literally lost his net worth but he left

today with a smile on his face his name

is Nate Udi walked out of the casino

with a smile on his face and he's

actually done this twice now which is

bizarre I've done it once how much was

his net worth so the first time we lost

his net worth it was on stream and no

one thought it was real which is why

because everyone's like oh my god I'm

giving my net worth like This is soing

like crazy. This was like he like

literally he had $250,000 and we lost it

on one stream and then he went home and

he was completely out of money. This

time around his net worth was only

$10,000. So he took his last $10,000 and

it was like I'm either poor already. I'm

poor now. What do you do with $10,000?

Or I can be super poor. Um so he's just

like I'm just going to gamble. And he

lost it and now he's like whatever.

Doesn't this [ __ ] with your dopamine

receptors to like cuz you have such

crazy swings with money and just highs

and lows. Everything would seem boring

after something like that. Yeah, it is

um not good how rapidly the dopamine

gets fried. Like 3 months ago, my net

worth was like what I had good money and

I was very excited over winning $10,000.

Now I'll win $50,000 and it's just

like that wasn't that cool. But that's

just because the dopamine gets fried.

But that's a problem I don't know what

to do about. Don't know what to do about

the I think it's only going to get worse

because pretty soon you'll say the same

thing with grand more extreme more

extreme. More extreme. Well, I've seen

that with Dana White. He used to be

excited winning and he's just he's a

billionaire. The money doesn't matter to

him. But he used to be excited to win

50,000. Last time I was gambling with

him, he lost $5 million. And 8 month

period of change have gone from plus

50,000 -50,000 to now plus 5 million -5

million. And I that's just how it is.

Like I don't know what to do about it.

One of the highlights was that Jack and

I uh got to meet Steve will do it and we

went to Red Rock and Dana showed up and

I watched them play Bakar and I was

entranced by by he was he was playing

$100,000 chips just like they're like

they're nothing and just like here's 100

grand 100 grand. He was up. He was

making money. Like he was up like 300

grand 400 grand by the time we left. And

I'm thinking, "Holy $400,000 in like 15

minutes." But it's just it's just like

not it's just chips. Yeah, it is crazy

how a $5 chip is the same size as a

$25,000 chip. It's really cool to watch.

It it it screws my mind knowing that

that's that's the $100,000 plus or

minus, but the person on the other end

of it dealing they're probably making 80

grand a year. So, one of those chips is

is worth more than an entire year of

salary and it's gone in like 20 seconds.

Yeah. And for the viewers, but that's

why it's so um exciting to watch

somebody gamble such high stakes cuz

it's like I can't even fathom like the

what the f when I didn't have any money.

I would watch people gamble $50,000

hands and what is going on? This is

insanity. And that's just part of

entertainment. Like the crazier is more

viewable. What you got? What's this

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some for yourself. What's the most that

you've gambled and the most you've seen

someone gamble? The most I've personally

gambled like over what period of time?

Probably this road to 10 million thing.

I mean, the most I've ever hit was 1

million on a slot. It was like a $1,000

spin. Just big badass Christmas bonanza.

And I paid out a million. So that that

stream I ended up I bought in I think

400,000 and I went up to 2 million.

Cashed out at 1 and a.5 million. But um

the most I've ever seen someone gamble I

think probably. Do you guys know who

Exposed is? No. He he pretty

consistently goes to Red Rock and does

like 100,000 plus other hands, but the

limits are pretty stiff. Like you don't

really get to bet more than 300,000 a

hand at any casino as far as I've been

let into. I'm sure somewhere people do

that, but like probably like $300,000

hands is the most that people like and

it's like the Dana Whites experience

like nobody does. What does it feel like

to win a million dollars? Oh well, this

is at the time I was doing so much that

I don't actually remember it. I just had

to watch a video back and it's like

holy. It was that's why it's in that

video went so viral cuz it's such a

captivating story. I was doing so many

drugs at that period of my life that it

was on I was in Mexico doing a ton of

and I don't the night before I had lost

maybe like 900,000 I don't know don't

remember it and then when you're like

taking on a bender you wake up the next

day and you just roll over you take a

pill like you roll over grab some put

them in your body so that you like feel

better and you continue the bender

effectively

I went into this dream one $1 million

the next day I invested it into Pepe.

Pepe got listed on Robin Hood doubled

and then about 4 days later I checked my

accounts and $2 million was just like

there and I had to go look back at all

the footage like okay so this is what

piece it together this is what happened

and that's why it takes so long for me

to edit my videos everyone's like why

don't you post more because I don't know

what the happened so I have to

meticulously go through every hour of

that 10our stream like where did this

million come from and then you look at

okay so now it's all of a sudden 2

million what the happened there you look

at your crypto transactions okay so we

put all into Pepe and then you know you

can kind of put the pieces of the story

together. But it is kind of sad that

like a lot of the coolest things like

some people ask me like what's a crazy

story and it's like I do not remember a

lot of the things that have happened to

me in the last year which is why I

stopped doing cuz that's it's just you

don't remember like so much cool when

you're blacked out on Xanax. What's the

craziest that you've taken? Well, it

depends on like what you define as

crazy. I've done um probably every Well,

uh I did uh meth on accident one time

and then I was I had to go to the

hospital cuz I overdosed. So, that was

like the craziest experience. Um, but I

mean, I've never injected anything other

than steroids. I think every single drug

that's popular. What's the

best uh good? What's What else is good?

Um, those are the best. Xanax, Aderall,

ketamine. Oh, percoetses. Oh my god.

Percoets are great. But uh understand

that like that you feel the best on the

fallout from taking perets for a few

days like you are in a very bad spot

mentally and physically like the

withdrawals can so the better it feels

the worse. It's not like I'm telling you

guys oh these are they're the best as in

they feel the nicest but the comedown is

equivalently as bad. Do you worry about

doing damage like something permanent

like changes? I would be worried, but

that's just like all of my friends and

everybody. It's like a consistent

experience that everyone does these that

I know. And it's like, okay, so if all

500 of you people are doing the exact

same thing as me and like as far as I'm

concerned, only four of you are up. It's

like, I guess we're rolling those dice.

So that's a that's that's dice rolling

just like the proof concept is there.

Like I started doing I'd say hard maybe

I was like 14 years old. So like a lot

that's what eight years and I'm sure I

do part of me thinks I would be a lot

smarter if I wasn't doing that. But I'm

not I like being ignorant. Ignorant is

bliss. Like being delusionally

confident. That's great. I think maybe

the drugs banged my brain up just just

perfectly enough so that you know I'm

not too smart for my own good. I think

everyone's a lot of people are too smart

for their own good and then it's like oh

I got this business idea but then you're

like really smart and you're thinking

about all the numbers and everything

that's never going to work and then you

never do it like if you just don't think

about stuff to like I don't think about

many things at all ever like every day I

probably have

like six like useful thoughts and then

the rest of it is just kind of like give

me an example of a useful thought you

had today. No, today was bad cuz I went

to bed at noon. Um and that's why I had

to push this podcast back. Usually

before a podcast I scheme like a few

useful thoughts. Okay, today there has

been zero useful thoughts. I can't

remember the last useful thought that I

had actually. Let me think about this.

This is ridiculous that this is

uh useful

thought. Um I thought like it feels like

the last good thing that I thought

was I'm going to sell this painting

which was about four weeks ago. So that

that can't be the case. Maybe I thought

of a Yeah, I thought I should read more

books about 4 days ago. Do you think

you're going to do that? Yeah, I like

audio books. Who bought the Who the

painting? Just some random fan. We

talked on the phone for a little bit and

he has his story is that he was in not

the best place mentally and then he

started watching my content and

listening to some of the speeches that I

would give and he started taking

testosterone and his hormones are now

level and his income has I

obviously exploded. So he it's so

meaningful to him. It's not like he was

more really excited to support my

journey because what I've given to him.

He didn't care for the art. He just was

like toi changed my life and now I want

to just be a part of his journey. How do

you get the money? It's a lot of 150

grand is a lot to spend on. Oh, did he?

Yeah. Oh, I didn't ask. I didn't You

weren't curious. Well, I guess when 150k

doesn't sound like that much to me, I

guess like Well, anyone can have 150

that you could Yeah, but but to spend on

a discretionary painting from I mean I

I've spent like like okay an example is

I spent Steve will do it one of my good

friends he was losing a ton of money

gambling and he was in a bad mood at the

time I

had maybe yeah my net worth was around

$500,000 like cashwise I probably had

$100,000 but I sold a bunch of my

jewelry and I used my last $100,000 for

my name to buy my Richard Mill cuz he

was he's just such a good friend and he

was a horrible woman who's like, "This

will cheer him up. Nobody gives Steve

anything." So, the point being is that

it's not abnormal in my head that

somebody would spend an excessive amount

of money to give back to somebody that

means a lot to them. We're in such a

different like 150 grand. Yeah. But I

mean, look, I I I understand where

you're coming from. I just have to

accept that different people have

different priorities, which is it's

cool. It's cool to hear about. I'm

curious because you took an IQ test and

you said that you are like clinically

dumb. No, dude. that statistic that IQ

test was right after I got back from

Cabo. So, I was coming off of a ton of

drugs. I think that actually might have

been right after I won the It's very

hazy. But the point being is I remember

sitting down at the computer and looking

at the wall and you know when you look

at the wall and like everything's just

like fuzz. You have no thought. You're

just like brain fog. Yeah, it was the

worst brain fog I've experienced in a

long time. So, I knew it was not going

to be the best. I think I could do way

better if I retook that IQ test. I mean,

I I agree. I think for the for the bit

it's funny, but I mean you're obviously

smarter than the average person. Like

you you can't I feel like do what you've

done. And also it's interesting because

you have these random like really well

thoughtout epiphanies and I don't know

if you're coming on like up with them

off the cuff or if it's something that

you've thought about like you're like

yeah people say the grass is always

greener on the other side but what if

it's artificial grass? It's like gee

like how did you come up with that so

quickly? Like that would be the last

maybe good thought or useful good

thought that is I don't know why I have

these like small little epiphies that

you come up with that are like really

you know you you said something great

also about like becoming successful and

limiting beliefs and having the

conviction that you could do something

like there are most people think too

much for their own good yeah there are

nuggets of just information conceptually

that's not that difficult like

understanding like conceptually that

like people I don't think would come up

with something like that like that's

like that takes like a different level

of metacognition. You're like thinking

about thinking. I spend a lot of time

like consciously thinking. Like I'll try

and I I'm worse about it now, but I used

to spend like 15 minutes a day and I

would stare at a wall and they just

think cuz and you don't have to force

thoughts. Like everybody has incredible

thoughts in their brain but they're too

distracted because they're scrolling.

They're too afraid to let their thoughts

happen. And then a lot of people try to

think for a couple minutes and like it's

not working. I'm going to give up on it.

But if you sit there and just stare at

your watch for 5 minutes, you all of a

sudden you're, "Oh, I never realized

that about the watch." It just comes to

you. It's very natural for humans to

think. But in every today's society, all

the that like makes you obsessed with

dopamine or whatever makes it hard to

think. But if you spend even 5 10 15

minutes a day thinking, I guess have

elevated above what a lot of people and

I don't think my brain processes nearly

as fast as like what's that the

definition of a genius is someone that

can process information a lot faster

than whatever the average person but it

only takes 15 minutes of like my slow

CPU churning to come up with whatever

these ideas that I speak. So, what's

your advice to young people who feel

like just the price of everything's

going up, opportunities are hard to come

by, and they want to be successful. It's

not that you want to be successful, it's

that you have to be successful every

day. You, okay, I'll put it this way.

When you end your life, you're either

living your fears or your dreams. And

the fears being you never reached your

fullest potential. You never took care

of your kids. You never retire retired

your mother. You never treated your

friends right with everything that they

deserved. And then your dreams is

whatever your dreams might be. And every

single day the sun comes up and that's a

day that you're either watching Rick and

Morty smoking which is feeding your

fears or every day you're headed towards

your dreams. So there's no I want to be

successful. You have to and all you can

do is that day make sure that you're on

the side of the dreams. It might not

feel like you're making that much

progress, but if you go to the gym that

day, you get your meals in, and you

spend time like alone with your

thoughts. That's not much, but you're on

your way to your dreams. Everyone

thinks, "How the am I going to make $10

million? How how am I going to I can't

get a house cuz it's so expensive." And

then they start thinking this is a part

of the reason being too smart is no good

because you're way overanalyzing this

massive problem because the more you

think about anything there's a billion

problems with it. But if you just simp

make it super simple today I'm going to

work out and spend time with my own

thoughts. You're in the right direction.

So don't take it so the problem is huge,

but just chip away one day at a time and

don't even you don't even need to think

about the end goal of having a house

every day. Like you have that initial

thought and you're like, "All right, now

that's on the pin board and every day

we're just going to slowly work to

better myself." And what do you think

holds most people back? The idea that

it's too big of a goal. So it's like

this is just everyone says I can't get a

house cuz it's too expensive and that's

what they say. They didn't get a house

cuz whatever. And I'm not even You know

what? I'm just going to get a regular

job cuz it's and it's not even worth

trying. But I'm the perfect example

of regular Joe with below average, not

necessarily below average, but pretty

average tools. Like I'm nothing not

special by any means and I found a

reasonable amount of success. So if I

can do it, why not you? Here's what I'll

say uh about you. You have you have two

really great qualities about you. One is

you don't overthink things and whatever

pops into your mind, you're just going

to go and do it without doubting

yourself. So I think that's really

important. You have that. The other

thing you have is that you picked I

think the right lane at the right time

for your personality because you're

really entertaining. like that first

video you posted is so unbelievably good

that it's just like you can't help but

keep watching it because every moment

there's just like another like people I

I think watch to expect you to like

crash out at some point. They just want

to see like oh what what's he going to

do now? What's he and you keep people on

edge and you're really really really

good on camera. Like your your hand

movements and the way you speak it's

like that's engaging. Like it it kept me

up. I was driving late in the car and

your videos are getting me amped up at

like 1:00 in the morning as I'm driving.

I didn't know I was good at YouTube. I

didn't know I was good at making content

until uh somebody one day said, "Oh,

you're funny. You shouldn't make a

YouTube video." I have never met once in

my entire life like a person that's not

good at like a useless person. Everyone

is phenomenal at at least one thing, but

people just don't know what they're

sitting on. Like inherently, you're

gold. you just think you're a piece of

[ __ ] because you're embarking on all the

wrong journeys and then it's a negative

spiral. You're going like the more you

fail, the more you think you're a piece

of [ __ ] But you just need to try enough

new things and eventually you're going

to find that you're incredible. And

that's what like I tell a lot of young

people like you're not a loser. You're

just not doing what you're meant to be.

Everyone is top 1% at at least one

thing. Really, if you've ever worked a

40hour week, that's not easy. Like, you

know how to work really hard. But people

don't give them that that credit to

themselves cuz they're like, "Ah,

whatever. I only made $1,000 last week.

I'm a piece." You woke up at 5:00 a.m.

every day. I couldn't do that. You just

out you outdid me. Even though I have

more money than you outdid me in hard

work, you know? So, everyone has

something. And what if they want to be

rich? What if that's their goal? What's

your advice to those people? Don't try

and be rich because that's when you get

lost in you get too focused on the end

goal. You will get rich if you become

the best at what you love. For example,

that dude that what's that movie the the

dude that climbs rocks and he does it

with Alex Honolul. I don't know. Either

way, no one would expect I'm going to

climb on thising rock so good that I'm

gonna be a millionaire. That guy is a

millionaire because he has a cool movie

now and he's like the best at climbing

rocks. I guarantee you he never once was

thinking, I'm gonna climb on this rock

for the money. So, you just have to be

focused on your passion and become the

best at it. And the money, as far as my

experience goes, just like falls into

your hands once you're doing something

that you like. Would you say that money

has changed you at all or that you're

happier with money? Like once you get to

say maybe 50k a month, then you can

really do everything. And then the money

beyond 50k a month doesn't add. Like I

do not feel happier because I'm wearing

half a million dollars of jewelry. But I

do feel happier that I have 50K a month.

I can take my friends on a vacation and

my mother out to a nice dinner. That's

the really where the money is valuable.

Um, as far as money changing me, no, I

always had a lot of people think it's

like I talk about money and I have a big

ego. I always had a really big ego and

knew where I was going. I just never

talked about it cuz the proof of concept

wasn't there. Nobody wants to hear

somebody that's living in a front

basement talk about I'm going to be so

rich one day you guys have no [ __ ]

idea. But now that I have the money, I

feel more confident in talking about

money cuz you know the proof of concept

is there. There's credibility. Um, so I

don't think it's changed me at all. How

did you get started gambling? What was

the first time you you did that? Oh,

dude, I must have been like 15 years old

that I can't even really online casinos

is where everybody like all me and all

my friends at high school is like,

"Let's bet on Well, I guess it would

start with betting directly against my

friend. I bet you $5 this." And it's

like, "Okay, that was cool. I just won

$10. I didn't have to do anything.

That's cool. I remember the first time

me and my friends opened up an online

casino was one of the most fun nights we

have ever had. We gambled $20 and it

lasted us about 4 hours and we went up

to 100 down and it was such a special

memory to me. Like the second I gambled

for the first time, I knew that I'm

going to do this for the rest of my

life. This is incredible. And what was

the most happy you've been for a win

that you remember? Gambling is best when

you're broke because then it's like

you're either not eating that day or

you're gonna eat steak. And so it was um

we did a $1,000 Plinko ball. Me and my

three friends split it and it hit a 9x.

So we made $9,000 and at the time I

didn't have rent money. So I had rent

money for 3 days and that was like the

peak. I've never been happier in my

entire life and I only won $3,000. It

was probably It felt probably 10 times

better to win that $3,000 than it did to

feel win whatever my biggest win is like

a million something. Do you feel like

you're constantly chasing that feeling

though? 100%. But I've accepted that

I'll never feel that unless I get go

broke again, which is exciting. That's a

productive thought that I just had. I

shouldn't be afraid of going broke

because life is more potent when you're

broke. The stakes are higher cuz I don't

have the safety net of at least I got a

bed to go sleep on. At least I can eat

food tonight. Like I go after this if I

lose a million dollars at the casino, at

least I can go out to dinner still. But

if you're broke and you're gambling,

then it's just

like life is so much more exhilarating

with everything else. Maybe it just

gives you motivation. If you have lose

everything that there's only up. If you

feel like you have nothing going for

you, you have nothing to lose. So, might

as well go for it. Do it all. When would

you say you were most broke? After I

made the million dollars when I was 18.

I think I owed the government maybe like

$200,000 and I had $13,000 in my bank

account. So that was probably my

brokeest. So how how long did it take to

recover from that? Well, I took that

$13,000 and I put it into Pepe 2 days

after it launched and then it turned

into a million dollars over like maybe

eight months. So it was like eight

months. Dude, I need financial advice

from you. I think that was Pepe. But you

know what's funny is the reason I like

Pepe so much is because of that

experience. And it's funny that I bought

Pepe because I would have never done

that, but I was just on the I was just

like, I'm [ __ ] Like, I am so [ __ ]

I don't even know how I'm going to get

this $200,000. So, I was I was

effectively full tilt, but life full

tilt on life. So, I was like, I guess

I'm just going to put I'm going to pick

a random meme coin and I'm going to put

my entire net worth into it and pray.

And I scrolling through the meme coins

like, oh, Pepe the Frog, that's funny.

Picked that one and then now it's like

worth what, $6 billion. And I invested

in it was worth like 30 million. So that

was just pure luck. I don't Do you feel

like you have like an angel or something

looking over you? Just like a lot of

people say toi's got plot armor cuz

somehow it always just works out. But

also I think that's the plot armor comes

from being so willing and confident like

manifestation is a very like the law of

attraction is very real thing. If you

can taste it, if you can see something

is so real that you can taste it. I

don't know why or how that works but it

comes your way. So, I think the mindset

and me being so um in touch with what I

want and attracting the things that I

desire has given me this like quote

unquote plot armor. Do you think you're

addicted to gambling? Yes. I think I I

don't think I don't think Gamblers

Anonymous has ever seen a beast like me.

I swear I it's sometimes I watch myself

on stream back and I'm I'm like, "What

the is wrong with you?" Cuz I don't

think I could go maybe 48 hours without

gambling. like it is I'm full on have to

gamble all the time but it's also

awesome like me and all my friends are

also addicted to gambling and it's like

a very fun experience and um we have a

very strong bond over Do you think

that's maybe you guys all enabling each

other and like kind of just or making it

seem normal because it's all you see

it's all you're around if you were in a

so say you're like feeding for crack

you're addicted to crack you're probably

feeding for like maybe once every 3

hours then you're in a room with 10

crack addicts every 10 minutes

somebody's we should do some at when

you're gambling it's like yeah every 10

minutes I'm sitting with my friends and

somebody's like let's go gamble so it is

very enabling but that's it's cool it's

not caused any problems thus far but I

don't like I seriously can't stop gamble

it's what's your plan long long term

like is it going to be one day you're

going to stop or you're going to scale

back here's the thing and this is

something that a lot of people have a

hard time um wrapping their head around

typically I don't think a week a week

out like you guys saw it was very

difficult for me to schedule this

podcast because I you were like you want

to do this in a month. I was like I have

no idea what I'm going to do in a month.

I might be in Dubai in a month. I might

you know. So I think one my life is

scheduled out in one YouTube video at a

time. I'll be doing a YouTube video and

I'm like taking a bunch of drugs in

order to edit it. This was a while ago.

But I remember one time thinking that I

was going to die because of the drugs

and I was just sitting there like just

get this YouTube video out and then you

can just get this YouTube video out and

then you can. So it's really like I have

no thought further than roughly 30 days

and then it's just like blank in my

head. Are you afraid of dying?

Definitely. No, I mean no more afraid

than anyone else per se. Like everyone's

afraid of So why why wouldn't you take

precautions to lessen the risk of you?

Oh, I would like to do that. And now

that I have the money to do it, it's

easier. Like I'm getting a MRI on my

whole body, figure out like exactly

what's I need to like address and focus

on. might get my blood work done more

frequently now just to like make sure

everything under the hood is good. Um,

but then again, it's like when you're

battling like the addiction of whatever

it might be like gambling and you want

to be healthy, like it's very easy to

fall into a weekl long bender and then

you come out and you're like, "Okay, not

good. We should run that back and not do

things of that nature." But that's kind

of like everyone has internal conflict

and that's like one of mine is like I

don't want to die but I also love doing

and gambling. So it's like if I could

give you unsolicited advice, you don't

have to listen to it. I would create a

budget every single month or a week or

day actually that you gamble guiltfree

and if you lose it, you go down to zero,

totally fine. But as long as you create

I've done this before without going over

it. No self-control. Like once you get

in the mind of a gambling addict, like

it's literally like I've tried to do

that at least 10 times. I've never stuck

to the budget ever once I start taking

drugs. like you're sitting there the

whole responsibility like you know

you're sitting there and you're either

in responsible mode when you're like

this is allucked and I need to set a

budget and then you're sitting at the

table and you don't it's that

conversation you had with yourself 4

hours ago never happened it doesn't

exist. I'm curious what generally causes

that tipping point between like, okay,

I'm done with Plinko. I'm going to clock

out for the night or like, I'm done with

this bender. I'm going to return back to

normal life. Like, what usually is the

motivation for you to end those things?

Well, the 1.8 million is cuz Rubet

locked my account. They said you're done

gambling. But you would have kept going.

I would have kept going. Um, and

then like the vendor situation is

usually predetermined, right? Like you

have a vacation. So, it's like I'm going

to be here for 7 days. When we were

doing the Toki versus Cabo video, the

trip was planned for 3 days and we ended

up being there for 13 days cuz every day

we just like let's extend it, let's

extend it, let's extend it. So, usually

it's like once your body is like it

can't take anymore like at a certain

point of doing so many drugs and

gambling like you do get exhausted and

you're just like okay the ROI is no

longer there. I can now and the drugs

very quickly don't hit the same like at

the first day of tok I'd probably take

three pills a day the last day I was

probably taking 100 a day so it's like

very quickly eventually the just stop

working and you have to take time off

and your brain is just like not working

so it's kind of like the tipping point

is not I don't pick the tipping point

the universe is like Rubet's like you're

done gambling or my body is like you are

done doing all of this and then you're

like all right then you return to

reality. I have a buddy who has a

gambling addiction and I've seen it and

it it's fine if you have money coming

in, but I've also seen it get to a point

where you're starting to like sell stuff

just to get enough money to like put it

all on one hand like sell your car, put

that on a hand, but lose it and then

think, okay, what else could I sell? I'm

going to double that to try to win it

back. And then if you win it back, then

it's like, okay, well now I'm zero

again, so I'm going to I'm going to play

now because it's like I didn't play at

all. There's so many ways to think about

how hard he's schemed to get money. Like

he just needs to he's like, "I should

sell my car." If dude, selling your car

is such a pain in the ass. If he just

used that energy like being addicted to

gambling to a degree forces you to be

productive and make something of

yourself or is like I I need The problem

is it's never ending. It's like you

can't be you can't out success the

gambling cuz eventually you'll keep

losing. Well, cuz I've seen him up a lot

of money, but he's justified a way to

spend it back. Like, let's just say he's

up 100 grand. Now, it's like, well, it's

a free hundred,000, so I may as well try

to double it. And if he doubles it,

well, now I'm up 200 grand. Let's go

again. And then you lose it all. Those

experiences for me are very exciting.

I'm not unhappy by any means because I'm

addicted to gambling. 5 months ago, I

tried to put my car on the bakarat table

and they wouldn't let me. It's just

funny like it's such an incredible

experience in memories because it's

crazy. Doing the crazy is what makes

life. The hard part is that I think

you're young enough where it doesn't

matter. You're rewarded for it because

if it's on camera, you'll get more

followers, more money, and it's a part

of your income. So, it makes no

difference right now. The problem would

be is if if eventually you don't get it

under control. Cuz right now, you could

easily say like it's working. There's

nothing that will make it get under

control because I don't have a choice.

Like if you have something that is very

important to you, like if I if the

livelihood of even say my dog was on the

line, I'm 100% sure I would stop

gambling in the pursuit of ensuring. So

if you if you have kids, a wife, a

house, that is so much more

instinctively

um important to you or to me at least.

Maybe other people are different that

the the gambling isn't even like, "All

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favor. Is there a breakout video or

moment that like really catapulted your

success? Yeah, it was Togei vers Cabo.

Like that video probably made me $5

million for that one video alone. Like

that because it made me it was zero to

viral. Like that was when I went

mainstream is Togei versus Cabo. So I

think that video probably cuz at the

time I was taking like three grams of

steroids and then I was taking 100 a

day. So like realistically that's 100 of

what? probably doing like 60 rolins and

maybe no maybe like 70 riddins and like

10 to 20. So, holy like

were you like drinking alcohol or was it

just Yeah. Yeah, we'd be drinking too.

How does how does that not like honestly

kind of how does that not kill you?

Well, exactly. I think it took off 15

years of my life. Like I genuinely think

that video but it's like all right that

took off 15 years of my life. But the

net return on that the the more

dangerous part of that endeavor was the

steroids. the for somebody that doesn't

know much about steroids like half a

gram is like what people take and when

you're taking three gs you're in like a

really bad spot like you better be

that's what people like the dudes that

are on a stage the 300 lb crazy looking

mother that's what they take like three

grams so when you mix those two it's a

hor horrible for your heart horrible for

your cholesterol horrible for your

kidneys your liver it's just off but I

don't regret it at all cuz I think um

well again it made my career pretty much

so how much would someone have to pay

you to guarantee take a year off your

life. Oh, at this point, no amount of

dollars. Cuz like a good experience with

friends, going on a vacation, that's way

more valuable than a good memory is

worth 5 million to me or 10 million to

me. You know what I mean? Yeah. What

wouldn't you do for money? Is Is there

like a line you refuse to cross? Um I a

lot of things I wouldn't suck it. Well,

I mean, maybe if there was How much

would you suck it for? Maybe. You're

pretty rich, though. Uh no, I mean

there's a lot of things I would not do.

I mean, there's a lot of things that are

like $10 million. I totally suck 100%,

dude. Um, but there's certain things

that like are morally just no good. Like

if you are really crossing the line of

human ethics, like I wouldn't somebody

you know what I mean? So assuming it

doesn't hurt anybody. Oh, it just if it

doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, give me an

example. I can't think of anything.

Would you sell a kidney? That's hurting

me. That's hurting me a lot. And I my

kidneys are barely working. So, as far

as the harm, like if you're if hurting

myself is included, there's no nothing

that I wouldn't do any harm to my body

or other people for any amount of money.

What about surgically removing one

finger for $10 million? Oh, well, I

mean, and you could pick the finger.

The [ __ ] You all 10 fingers. Would you

do that, Graham? You would 100% do the

whole thing? I'm not an athlete. I What

do you Every day How many typing would

be kind of difficult? Is that worth $10

million for you? 10 million. I wouldn't

do it. I don't think I could. I'd cut

off my feet for $10 million. Are you

kidding me, dude? This is outrageous.

Honestly, at a certain point, that is so

much money. And your toes are so

unimportant. I think I don't really know

the human toes that often. Imagine you

how many people like hardworking people

that deserve money, have kids, but

they're just stuck in the loop. You

could change a thousand people's lives.

I don't know if that math is right, but

you know what I mean? How good would

that feel to do that for a month? Dre,

you're just like changing lives. One

finger. You'd have to be to not get rid

of one finger and you could potentially

save a thousand lives or Plinko. Or

Plinko. Why is fitness so important to

you? That's where my confidence is

rooted. Right. Before fitness, I was a

skinny, insecure kid. And then I started

going to the gym. Every man needs to go

to the gym because it shows you that you

are worthy and that you have something

going on for you. Because a lot of

people don't have anything going on for

you. And even though getting more

muscles isn't necessarily like super

productive, you see that I put in the

work. It wasn't easy and I got results.

Like it's the most linear work to

results thing. And it's very realistic.

It takes years to see like really

phenomenal results. And so that when a

kid is insecure, doesn't know what he's

doing, doesn't know what he wants to do,

and just feels like, "Ah, I'm a loser. I

can't do anything." But then you get

jacked and all of a sudden people are

like, "Wow, he looks good. I want to

look like him." It reinforces the idea

or it even just shows you the idea that

you can if you show up every day no

matter where you started. So then what

was the motivation for then going on

gear once you felt like you've already

developed a pretty decent physique? It

just I love everything more like more

extreme. It was like, I look good, but I

want to be extreme. And the reason I

took steroids is cuz that's when I was

really broke. And I was pretty

desperate. And I was like, I need to get

famous. And I was like, what's something

that I'm interested in has a large

audience of people that really like it,

that will like a video, and a large

audience of people that dislike it, that

are going to make hate comments. Like

the perfect storm for going viral. Cuz

before I went viral, I would spend hours

watching Jake Paul videos with a

notebook. Not because I like Jake Paul,

because I was like, what is this guy

doing? Like, why is it different? Why is

Bryce Hall so famous, so relevant still?

How did he do this so fast, and he's

incredibly successful? You need

something that people hate and love and

large audiences. And so, what I landed

on was steroids. Like, that bigger

muscles sounds cool to me and it has the

perfect storm. I might as well try it.

And uh if it doesn't work out, then it

was like it was a good journey to embark

on. But in my head, it wasn't that huge

of a deal if you took steroids and then

stopped taking them because it didn't

work out. Have you noticed your

personality change at all with taking

steroids? My friends say like when I'm

on trend, like I've had uh I had to do

one deal and there was I had I was

hiring like three employees for a brand

and they were like in the contract I

want there to be a clause where if

you're on trend, you can't fire me cuz I

guess when I'm on trend it's like it's

noticeably more aggressive, more very

irrational. But like just testosterone,

I feel about the same. Maybe like 20%

more confident uh and 20% more driven,

but 20%'s not a significant marker in my

mind. And what about your diet? What do

you do you try to eat? Well, so I eat uh

like chicken and rice every day. Like I

eat clean. But I saw in one of your

videos you were like, "All right, I'm

not going to go get Starbucks for

breakfast. Instead, I'm going to eat six

donuts." And then you go to like

Starbucks and you'll get like, you know,

10 espresso shots in one thing with like

10 pumps of That was when I thought I

was invincible. Like that was before

I understood that death is like a real

thing. And like some of my friends have

had heart failure and health scares. So

it's when you see that you're like,

"Okay, I need to make a change." That

was pre determining that that was I

really thought I could do anything. How

did you still stay lean though when you

were eating food like that? Was it

cardio? The steroids like really. So

what do they do? Just like make your

body run hot. I don't know how they

work. I just put them in my body and the

steroids make you skin shredded without

I never did cardio. I still never do

cardio. I eat clean now so that helps.

But you can you go for like a a run and

feel fine or n I started swimming for my

ankle and I swam down up and down my

pool twice and I like thought I was

going to drown. I cannot so bad. Well,

because when you steroids I do I think

don't quote me on this guys I think it

makes your cardio worse. Like imagine if

you were 35 40% heavier. Your heart is

not meant for your genetics to be

pumping blood into all like your the

carrying oxygen throughout your body is

very difficult. So I started out 170

lbs. All of a sudden I'm 230 lbs. That

50 lbs is very hard on your body to like

keep up especially in such a short

period of time. your heart is just like

what the [ __ ] is going on? So if you're

not training it via cardio then it's

like when I was on a lot of steroids and

same with all my bodybuilder friends

like you walk up the stairs and you're

gassed after 10 steps of stairs so I'm

trying to be a little bit better about

it and I'm not taking steroids right

now. Um what are you taking? Just

testosterone which is technically

steroid but it's I'm not taking very

much of it. Would you say testosterone

is like the one if you want like the

8020 rule you want to do like 20% of the

effort with 80% results testosterone

would be the one. Oh, 100% testosterone.

Well, you have to take testosterone. You

can't take other steroids unless you're

taking testosterone because other

steroids make your body stop producing

testosterone. All steroids make your

body stop producing testosterone for the

most part. So, you have to start with

that. Does getting jacked help you with

girls? I don't think girls care. Um, but

it helps with your confidence like I

talked about earlier. So, that's where

like that goes a long ways in getting

girls, but girls don't care what you

look like. Top five things that girls

care about. Um, can you make them laugh?

How does the room treat you? Like, do

people respect you? Are you confident?

And then like, I don't know. What else

would I imagine girls care about? What

do girls care about? Well, she doesn't

know, dude. Because, have you ever asked

a fish how to catch a goddamn fish?

Dude, right before this, we we filmed we

filmed with a dating coach. It was a

female dating coach uh that coaches like

men on how to That's the biggest scam of

all time, dude. That's so funny because

that's like what a lot of the comments

on our podcast. never gotten laid by a

girl, bro. Like, she's never gotten a

girl. How are you going to coach me? I

feel like her advice was pretty sound.

It was sound for a dude I feel like in

his 30s who wants a relationship. It

It's very tailored. If you go like down

the psychological

uh rabbit hole, like surface level, you

might get more girls with these basic

ideas, but when you're like really

trying to attract a lot of women, like

if you guys know who John Zurka is,

really intelligent as far as psychology

goes, and his whole thing is like

teaching men how to get girls. And if

any girl looked at that advice, they

would be like, "This is disgusting and

also not how you would get a girl." But

very effective for So like what is the

psychology of it? Well, like a lot of

girls would be like, "Oh, you have to be

like generally speaking, oh you have to

like show that you care and like you

know be like gen like a gentleman nice."

No girl wants especially in my age like

no girl wants to feel like a guy is

fully committed to them. No girl wants

you to be like head over heels in love

with them even though that's what they

think they want. They want to always

have somewhat of a chase. Like let me

get more, let me get more, let me get

more. In terms of like the magnetism,

that makes sense. But in terms of like

the girl being happy, like I I don't I

feel like it'd be difficult to if you

get like further if you get like if

we're talking relationships as far as

like a healthy relationship, then you

adapt. But to initially attract these

women, like you have to use like certain

um methods and idea that are a net

negative for the woman's mental health

or whatever and like they're not going

to be as happy, but that's how you

attract them. You've also previously

said that weed you believe is the worst

drug you could put in your body. Why

not? Yeah, cuz it makes you happy doing

nothing, right? Like the problem with

weed is it makes you so content with not

doing anything. like any other drug that

you put in your body, you want to even

something like ecstasy, at least you

want to go out and talk to people, have

sex, whatever, which is ecstasy might

not be the best, but weed is the only

drug that doesn't really have a

hangover. You can do every day and

strips your body of your thoughts.

People say it makes you more creative.

But the only reason it makes you more

creative is because it makes you content

sitting there doing nothing. If you were

not baked and you were sitting there

doing nothing, you would be 10 times

more creative. The ptheads think it

makes them creative because it forces

you into a state of meditation. Whereas

if you could do that sober, your

thoughts would be a million times more

creative than the baked ones. But people

are just confused because they don't

meditate. They don't think, but weed

makes you happy doing nothing. So it

forces you into that um mindset even

though you're intoxicated and your

thoughts are not clear. They're not as

good. If you're going to do any drugs

like is better than like said cuz it's

not going to kill you. Like the drugs

can like kill you but in the sense of

your mentality and your success will

make you chronically unsuccessful.

Obviously there's outliers like Snoop

Dog very successful person but for 99%

of people it's very very unproductive. A

few months ago you took what you thought

was but it was like laced with meth. I

don't really know what had in it cuz I

was also doing cocaine and I overdosed

because I took like I took a gram and a

half of so a gram and a half. Yeah, I

think it was 37 pills of 30 milligrams

that were not real. Well, they were real

but they were, you know, made in a lab.

And and how long of a time span is that?

Um I don't know. Oh, I think I was awake

for I think I was on hour like 40 of

being awake when I had to go to the

hospital. Okay. Well, what did they do

at the hospital? I don't remember. She

was there. They just gave me some that

uh like turn your cuz I was like

seizing. So, they just give you that

like shut off your brain and like relax

your body or whatever. So, that cuz

their main concern was that my heart I

was going to have a heart attack cuz

you're having these seizures. Your

heart's my heart rate's at like whatever

190. The main concern is that your

heart's just going to explode in that

moment. So I think just by dropping your

heart rate giving you I don't know what

they put in. Do you remember seizing

like what that felt like agonizing the

most painful thing I broken bones but it

was well I guess if you think of the

idea of like banging your hand on the

table your body sends a symbol like oh

that hurt because there's a little bit

of damage. Imagine every inch of your

body is effectively failing. It was head

to toe the worst pain I've ever felt for

hours. I had I don't know like what the

definition of PTSD is, but I like I get

panic attacks from sometimes like I'll

be sitting there and I'll feel like cuz

there's a distinct feeling that I felt

right before it happened and something

will feel like a little similar and I'll

be sitting there and I start freaking

out. I have uh I get um what's it

called? uh sleep paralysis that I I'm

laying there and I think I'm dying again

or like having a seizure very

frequently. I don't know how you define

traumatizing, but it very frequently

comes up in my everyday life. It's less

and less now that I it am so scared of

something that painful happening to me

again that I frequently panic about it.

when you were like lying there and did

did you did you think that you could die

in that moment or did you I thought

there was like a 50% chance I was going

I was sitting there thinking what were

those thoughts like well it's hard to

have good clear thoughts when you're in

so much pain but I just remember

thinking like I cannot believe I

sacrificed my potential because my

potential whatever you go every day

you're living you die your fears or your

dreams and if I died today I would be at

10% of my potential so that is by

definition my fears not reaching my full

potential. So I was sitting there, I was

so mad at myself that I let myself slip

up in like the whatever lapse of

judgment and take this many where I was

just so sad and angry at myself that

I'll never get to see what I could have

been. And then the second half was it I

was extremely

um angry at myself that my mother would

have to live through the the Versan

because that's like the worst thing a

person could experience in as far as I

could imagine. So, it was um just

regret. Nothing but regret when I

thought I was dying. Just like I cannot

believe this. I cannot believe I [ __ ]

up this bad. Do you think that resulted

in any like long-term permanent change

in your behavior or do you think that

like you slipped back to old habits

after some time had passed? I probably

take 80% less drugs, 90% less drugs

after that. Well, I guess I have that

was like the most ever taken. But now

that would like really inspired my I

need to get healthy. I need to take care

of my body. I'm I am scared of that was

the moment it changed. That's when I

realized I don't want to I can die. I'm

not invincible cuz I thought I was

invincible and now I'm try and treat my

body with more respect now. For sure.

What about the influence you have on

other people who watch you and maybe

some of these things are glamorized of

gambling and and doing like you do it.

And it's not like I hide anything,

right? I post my blood work when I was

taking a ton of steroids. people see my

blood work see that oh hey his liver is

like functioning at 20% or whatever uh

oh he overdosed he's in a hospital he

almost died if I wasn't showing the full

story then there's maybe that's not a

great influence but if you watch me and

my content there's no part of the

consequences that I hide so you can see

the lifestyle I choose and you can take

it with I should or should not do that

based on he gets this fun experience

But then also he struggles with like if

you watch my content you can see that

there's demons there and he struggles

with what like clearly a ton of

addiction problems but that's kind of

like what comes with the lifestyle. So I

think it's if anything more informative

that people get to see like truly the

full story of like the rockstar

lifestyle. What are the demons? It's

mostly the push and pull of I want to be

happy, healthy, live a 100 years, and

then it just takes one lapse and then

all of a sudden I'm doing a ton of bugs

and like doing things that cuz I am

scared of dying and I will continuously

embark on habits

that are like would kill you. That's my

biggest um push and pull in life. Like

my biggest struggles for sure. And what

about having a positive impact on people

who watch your videos? How do you

balance that or do you does it matter? I

I just hope that everybody that watches

videos laughs like the goal is to make

somebody smile. I get um a lot of

backlash and a lot of like support

comments and the my most the comments

that I love the most is like oh like I'm

really stressed out about this or this

isn't going well in my life. But thank

you for posting this video cuz it lets

me forget about my problems for 1 hour

for 2 hours. for two hours. I get to

escape my reality and just have a good

time and laugh. And I also do like like

if you've seen any of the book of Togei,

that's my next video is the whole togei

talks book of Togei in one video. All my

ideas that I hold highly in my head

about believing in yourself and becoming

a better man. I think everybody can do

incredible things and 90% of men think

they're destin destined for way less

than what they can accomplish. So, I

really just try and push the idea and

try and inspire people to take the leap

of faith and embark on what you know you

truly should be doing. The biggest risk

is not taking the risk. Cuz if you never

take the risk and do what you love,

you're going to spend your whole life

and it seems safe. You go to college,

you have a job, and that's what they

tell you is safe, but that's the death

of you and that's the death of your

soul. And it kills me to see my friends

going through that every day. They

graduate college

and they immediately start like the

world would devour your personality and

soul if you're going on the path that

they tell you to like listen to your own

path. So the idea is that I I want

people to do what they love and be

inspired and laugh. Do you ever feel

like you have to play up to certain

standards and expectations of the

viewers and that you have to like

overcompensate because you know of the

the demand of the YouTube algorithm? Do

you feel like you know Shane ever gets

like lost in toi or do you think these

are somewhat synonymous? Well, it's

pretty clear like you'll have a

conversation with me and you'll see like

pretty mellow like you thought I was

going to come in and start breaking,

right?

Like I would start breaking if I was on

or whatever,

but Togei is

just Shane, but 20% more exciting, 20%

more daring. I'm willing to buy the fake

watches because like if I there was no

camera, I would have not pulled the

trigger on those watches, but in my

head, I still thought it was a good

idea. And all all successful influencers

do that. Like you really think speed is

barking at people all the time. like he

probably wants to in his head cuz he's

crazy as [ __ ] but he doesn't bark at

people when there's no camera cuz that's

justing weird. But when there's a

camera, he's barking doing all this

crazy stuff. So that's kind of like what

you have to do. Um and when you even

when you see an intro of what is up

guys, welcome to this vlog. So like I

feel very authentic to

myself, but I just when the camera's on

in a nonpodcast sense, it's just like

all right, let's level it up 20%. You

know, it's interesting. The only person

that I've met who's the exact same on

camera. Like no difference whatsoever is

Danny Duncan. I met him for the first

time the other day. He doesn't play

anything up even when the camera's not

on. Same as Dax Flame. He's still Yeah.

Dax too. But he's still just like

himself camera or not. Yeah. Some people

are just blessed with they were truly

truly truly meant to be famous. Like

that you as a person is just perfect for

the camera, perfect for all this. But

for me, I found more success in being I

found great success in being like

totally totally mellow Shane, but I

found like a little bit it it helps the

algorithm to be a little more crazy, a

little more aggressive. So, yeah. Do you

ever censor yourself? Yeah, I I don't

talk about a lot of things because for

example, talking about sexual things and

women, YouTube, you can't do any of

that. it will get banned immediately if

I have like I used to do like streams

with girls in a hot tub. Can't do any of

that. Don't do I'm not racist, but I

think like racist jokes are funny. You

can't make those on YouTube because a

lot of people don't get the joke. The

algorith or the whatever censoring bots

don't get that it's a joke. So, I censor

myself much more heavily than my I like

I'd say my videos would be twice as

funny to me at least if I could be truly

myself. But my lifestyle is so explicit

that I would say every video roughly 90%

of the footage doesn't get to go in the

video because it has to be censored.

What about like a toy uncensored? I've

thought about doing that. Yeah. If you

put that behind a pay wall. Oh my god. I

hate the idea of um Well, I I'm just so

busy putting out YouTube that if I like,

okay, we also now are going to post the

uncensored version. I that I would

effectively be reducing my productivity

by whatever uh 50% and then is like is

the ROI for me personally like I would I

have uncensored uh stuff that's unedited

that I enjoy watching myself that I

think is funnier but to put it behind or

like some random website. It just feels

like the ROI of putting out another

censored YouTube video grows my brand so

much more than putting I don't know like

having a toy uncensored website. But

it's something that when I have more

free time, I would like to drop like

crazy like all of the footage um of like

my whole career, like the craziest [ __ ]

sometime. But for now, the growth has

been so perfect that I don't feel like I

want to embark on that. Do you have any

regrets where you wish you could go and

tell your younger self like some advice

or don't do that? No, I think my life is

uh as blessed as and perfect as I could

ask for. Like obviously the things could

be better but nothing is perfect and

that's why things are amazing and every

mistake that I've ever made has made me

the person that I am today. So and I

wouldn't trade my life for any person.

Like if you could be would you swap your

life for this person. I wouldn't cuz I'm

doing what I love. I'm doing what Togei

does. This is Togei. So no I can

confidently say that I as of now have no

regrets. What would you say is your

biggest insecurity? Oh that's a good

question. My biggest

insecurity I I became famous in like

show like where like dude even just like

these watches like it's to get attention

and like I think deep down that kid that

in high school cuz I wasn't popular in

high school like nobody like I wouldn't

get invited place nobody really liked me

that much and I think that like had

rooted something inside of me that it's

like I don't want to be forgotten about.

I don't want to die and nobody shows up

to the funeral. I I don't want

to not have a name. And some people say

that's like egotistical maybe, but I

think it more comes from a place of

insecurity. That kid always got

forgotten, unnoticed. And so that's why

I'm so aggressive on like that's why I

part of the reason whether I'd like to

admit it or not, that's why I want to be

famous is because I was so insecure

about that exact thing. The only thing

I'd like to get across, at least from my

perspective, since we are mostly like a

financebased podcast, I would love to

see you take 20% of every dollar that

goes in your account, 20% and stash it

away in a fund that someone else manages

that you don't have access to. Every

time we do this, Hold on. Every time we

do this, the audience, they say, "No,

but Graham, you shouldn't try to control

these people's lives and dictate." We've

we've ran into this quite a few times.

who's done a great job at this is Steve

will do it. His mother runs his bank

account and he doesn't even know how

much is in that bank account and that

that would be great if my mom just had a

bank account and it's like okay here's

cuz then I could forget about it if I

have full control over money. So that is

something I'm working towards is I'm

telling you paying someone for my mom

pay someone 60 to 80 grand a year just

to control how much money goes in your

account. That's all it is. So all the

money funnels into one account they

disperse it to you. That's it. And they

keep 20%. great idea, but I've just I'm

just lazy. Like at the end I should, but

every time I'm like, "Okay, like what's

on the list of priorities today?" I wake

up and that's it on the pin board, but

making a YouTube video is always number

one. So, so much of my life gets

neglected because make a YouTube video

and then all of a sudden I spent 10

hours making a YouTube video that day

and then I kind of just forget. That'll

be your biggest ROI. You'll see it 10

years from now. You'll be like, "Holy,

there's $10 million. there's $10 million

in the account and I had no idea. And

they're going to say, "Well, great. Now

it's in a trust and it's going to give

you x amount every single month." Yeah,

that idea is correct. It just gets

forgotten about cuz it's boring. Like

fundamentally, it's responsible. That's

what it is. Things that are responsible

and boring to me. Like it for some

reason, I just don't think about it too

often. I don't know if it's cuz I'm

young, but I just don't really Why can't

you shift your mindset to think that's

cool? It's cool to like save a little

money. I think what is cool is you think

saving money is cool. I think tremble

alone is cool. Nobody thought trend was

cool until I thought it was cool and

then I was like, "Oh, wait, hold on,

guys. This is a pretty cool thing." You

could still You could still do it just

with 80% of it instead of 100% of it.

No, but the idea of Yeah. I I do I don't

know. I don't know why I think the way I

do. I I I just Would you would you take

my suggestion to heart and maybe like

look into it or no? I mean, I could say

yes to your face, but after I'm going to

go home and nothing is going to change

because here's the thing is like you're

leading me to water, but yeah, you can't

make me drink. And I even though I know

I should, that's just part of like

admitting my flaws as a human is like

there's just no way that's going to

happen. How about this? You have my

number. I'm I'm a text away. if I could

ever help you at some point in the

future. Okay, I appreciate that. The

doors open for as long as you want it.

Eventually I something will happen that

wakes me up and it's like, holy, I

should have been saving that whole time.

And so there's probably going to be a

phase of devastation in my life. I could

imagine which I'm prepared for and I'm

excited about. And then after that,

maybe it's like, okay, let's get the

building blocks correct. Listen, even if

it's 5 years from now and you shoot a

text be like, hey man, it's here. I'm

down bad right now. Please, can I borrow

50? Flinko's hot tonight. Oh my god. Now

that I got your number and you're super

wealthy, you might be getting calls. I

mean, I need like 10. It happens

frequently where I wake up the next day

from being really drunk and I called

about 30 people on my phone number and

asking for like hundred something,000. I

wouldn't I wouldn't do that. How how

much cash do you have? I would consider

it. I saw you paid back with pretty good

interest to one of your friends. You

know what? I always pay back I I always

make it a priority to pay people back

with at least like I give them at least

20% every time just cuz it's like, "Oh,

that was really nice of you to give me

money when I was drunk gambling." I

don't think the money is important

whatsoever. I think the main thing is

just that you're safe. I like you're I

think you're a really cool, super nice

guy. You didn't come in here and snap

down to earth like Graham. Yeah. You're

just like a normal watching your videos

so over the top. Yeah. I'm a regular

dude and that's why it's incredible.

Like that's why I think it's uh I I

think I'm the most average person ever,

but I operate at such an above average

level. And that's why it's like I think

everyone can do this. Everyone can.

Everybody It gets me so excited thinking

that everyone and anyone can do

everything they want cuz I did and I'm

literally like I know better than

anybody. How much cash do you have on

you right now? Like physically? Yeah. I

think there's 20,000 in the car. Really?

Yeah. And check for 100 to the casino.

Oh, wow. I was about to say if you want

to do a coin flip.

Coin flip a watch. No. Um I mean, yeah,

we can do a coin flip. Do you cash love?

$10,000 coin flip. No, I wouldn't do I

wouldn't do 10 grand. You're so rich,

dude. You have 10. Are you worth over

$50 million? No. No, I'm not. No. No.

It's a pretty nice house. Do you own

this house all the way? No, I have a

mortgage. Oh, cuz you're all smart about

it. But you could own it if you wanted.

Yeah, I could own it if I wanted to.

Probably the most I would do on a coin

flip is probably a grand and that and

that for me is crazy. Realistically, I

do 100 bucks. Do you ever gamble? Rare.

200 bucks. Yeah. My my max is like 200

because if I lose more than that, I get

upset. And if I double, it's just like,

okay, fine. I double because that's what

that's just the difference. You think

saving is cool, which is cool that you

think that's cool. I don't think it's

necessarily cool, but that's what gets

you excited. Like I'm sure watch like

I'm sure you get the same amount of

dopamine that I get winning crazy

gambling as like you see over the year

the S&P grew your account that much. I'm

sure the dopamine if I'm up 5% in a

year. Yes. That's awesome. So that's

great dude. Whatever is floating your

boat I can totally respect that. All

right cool. Well we have some rapid fire

questions. So we're just going to end on

these. Would you rather give up steroids

forever or give up gambling forever? Oh

dude.

That's These are supposed to be rapid.

That's one of the hardest question.

That's the hardest question I think

anyone has ever asked me in my whole

life. Pro. Okay, here's the problem.

Probably steroids because um I'm

physically dependent on them. So,

steroids. Physique versus money. Win Mr.

Olympia once but go broke or win $10

million in gambling. Oh, $10 million.

But you can never lift weights again.

$10 million gambling. 100%, dude. You

can never lift weights again. Well,

okay. Can I like exercise? Like can I

just can't lift a weight? I can do like

calisthenics and like workout because I

go crazy trying to do calisthenics with

Larry. Dude, it's hard. That is so under

like I I looked like a I think

calisthenics physi physiques are like

the best looking. I have no problem

looking like that. So if I can do

calisthenics, I'll take 10 million. If

there was a magic steroid with zero

health consequences that guaranteed you

the body of your dreams but took 10

years off your life, would you take it?

I think that's kind of what I've

effectively done. Like I've probably

taken off 10 years of my life and I have

the body of my dreams. So I Yes, I would

take it and I think I have. You have an

18-year-old son that says, "Dad, I want

to do a cycle just like you did." Do you

help him do it safely or do you talk him

out of it? I I talk him out of it. I I

would be cool with my kid taking

steroids if he's 21. You wake up

tomorrow and all gambling is banned

worldwide and serious and steroids

vanish from the earth. What's the first

thing you do for adrenaline? I'd

probably myself. What's more addicting

for you? The dopamine rush from a huge

jackpot win or the pump from a crazy

heavy gym session while on gear? Oh, the

pump while you're on gear. It's

incredible. The best feeling a person

could feel. What does it feel like?

Well, so have you ever gotten you go

workout and you feel incredible. Your

muscles are tight. They feel good. It's

like if that pump could get five more

pumps. Like you are always walking

around baseline pumped and then it's

like you go to the gym and then your

workout could get a workout. The

dopamine is unreal. If you could go on a

crazy weekend bender with any celebrity

or influencer, who would you choose to

party with? Jack, you got to read these

off a little bit. Dude, I'm like I've

had I've had such a long day. This is

the second podcast we've had, dude. All

right, let me take over. Any influencer

I could go on a crazy bender with. Dead

or alive. It could be anybody. Probably

uh the Rizzler.

You guys know that kid, of course. Yeah,

that would be crazy. What's your

favorite casino game of all time and

favorite steroid compound of all time?

One ad buys injectable super draw. Who

wins in a fight? You on one gram of test

or three Greg Ducets in tank tops? I

could probably kill seven Greg eight

Greg Ducets if I was on a gram of

testosterone. Could Natty Sam Sull

outlift Togi on a come down? Yeah, Sam

Sulick would get me on that one. If

you'd be open to this. Yeah. If we each

put in a hundred bucks and we just $100.

Yeah. Cuz I figured you would be in on

this. He would be so disinterested. No,

no. I'm excited if you guys are excited.

But but here's what we would do is just

I would do a random number generator on

my phone. One through three. One, two,

and three. And whatever it lands on wins

the whole prize pot. Oh yeah, let's do

it. Sure. What's the most you would do,

Jack? 200. I don't know what what's the

right number. I would do 200 bucks. Like

that way if I lose it, I'm not going to

be upset. Yeah. I mean, I just hope it

goes to to Shane if it goes to anybody.

Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Okay. I have 200. I have cash. Cash. Do

you want me to Do you want me to grab

some I have cash, too? No. No. We got

some. How about this? You put

hypothetical 600 here so I don't have to

go to the bedroom, grab cash, but I'll

get cash for the

Is it bad luck that I'm not putting my

own cash in there? I feel like it's

There's no such thing as luck, Graham.

Are you Are you superstitious? No. At

all? No. No. So, I feel like it's bad

luck if you put money in that I'm not

putting it in. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

Grab grab your money. Let's find out if

it's bad luck. I don't want to find out.

He wants to win. Go get the money. All

right. Just give me a sec. Oh, yeah.

Here we go. Random number. All right.

Let's go. Here's your 200. Make sure

it's not prop money. I'm really excited

about this. I love this. So, here's the

thing. So, I love betting between

friends because that way if I lose it, I

know one of you has it. You know what? I

like that because you said that I'm

happy if you win too, Graham. Just a

little less happy than if if Shane. All

right. So, who wants to be one? I'll let

you guys pick. Oh, I want three. 100%.

Take two. All right. So, I'm number one.

Do you want to screen record? Yeah,

sure. Give me three.

All right. I'm one. This is awesome.

This is it.

Oh my god.

Yes. Okay. It was his idea. This is a

scam. You knew what he

like you would do. Let me see if that's

there. What's the most you would do? And

he's now it's two. All right. Good game.

Well played. Congratulations. There we

go. So, how is that dopamine compared to

watching your stock market money grow?

How was this dopamine you just felt?

It's a 10.

Let's go. That's awesome. But but here's

the thing. If if I lost the 200 bucks, I

would I would feel so bad that I would

stop. Like I wouldn't go beyond that. I

will say for some reason losing hurts

more than winning feels good. There's

something about losing money where it's

just like oh my god. Like devastation.

Any amount of money losing and then

winning like I think winning a h 100,000

feels as good

as how bad losing 50,000 feels. Does

that make sense? That makes sense. 2:1

ratio. I think they actually did studies

that loss is twice as worse as the gain.

Oh, that is the

It is true. So, yeah, if you lost 100

Yeah. So, you would have to win $200,000

for every 100,000 loss to feel that same

Yeah. feeling, whatever it might be, or

to overcome that. 100%. I believe that.

Well, this was successful. Yeah. Guys,

thank you so much for watching. Toi,

thanks for coming on the show. Togei is

very cool, but abusing drugs and abusing

gambling is not. So, we'll all take that

into consideration. It's also really

cool to subscribe and hit the like. It's

also really cool to subscribe and hit

the like button. Shane is cool. Liv is

cool. And also, also, if you guys want

to see the uncensored episode where we

don't bleep certain words and we keep

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