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"I Just Lost Everything" - How Togi Made (And Blew) $10_000_000 In 90 Days
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There's a 90% chance that I win and there's a 10% chance that I'm fully devastated. Oh my god. Sometimes I watch myself on stream back and I'm like, "What the is wrong with you?" You you What's the most money you've ever lost in a single night? I lost 200,000 last night. Well, it's like easy come easy go, you know? Like the most I ever made was 2 million something in like 48 hours. This is the greatest gambling run of all time. This is already I don't need to do anymore. How would you rate your finances? 1 to 10. 10 100%. If you looked at a chart of my finances, it would be outperforming Warren Buffett. There's no saving though. You don't save at all. I save in the sense of I spent $100,000 on this watch and I could sell it for probably 80,000. Now, what about the idea of saving and investing on the side? What the am I going to do with $100 million when I'm 70 years old? I'm entering the danger zone. Do you think you're addicted to gambling? I don't think gamblers and honest has ever seen a beast like me. Togei Shane, thank you so much for coming on the ice coffee hour. Got a question for you. Why do people call you the evil Sam Solic? Well, dude, it's like he's just the exact opposite of me. Doesn't go out, doesn't talk to nobody, but we're both jacked. We both love the gym. Like at our core, we're gym bros, but I also embark on he's getting an engineering degree and I'm getting a degree in like whatever. So, it's the complete opposites, but we're both like two of the bigger fitness influencers. I was researching for this podcast as I was driving from Vegas to LA and I watched you for probably 8 hours. Like, no joke, 8 hours. I started at your first video and made my way through. Holy crap, they're First of all, they're good videos. They're really addicting. And it was interesting meeting you in person because I had this idea that you would come in like really over the top. He was honestly horrified. He was like he's like, "How many people do you think he's going to show up with? Do you think he's going to break something when he comes into the house?" I'm like, "Dude, I don't think he's going to do any of that." A lot of people think I got this whole like almost like a rockstar persona cuz I got like these change and this crazy lifestyle, but I'm the most regular kid ever. Just a college dude. I have five friends maybe. And I kind of like I don't do collabs. It's just me and then yeah, live the camera woman. Well, we have a video that we wanted you to to give your opinion on. We filmed with Greg Ducet recently. Let me see this. Let me see it again. If you could delete one influencer off the internet forever, who would it be? Man, the worst one. I think we're going to go with Togei. Wait, why? because he's promoting gambling, recreational drugs, and he's almost created a paradigm shift in thinking that promoting and glorifying drugs is cool. This guy has a lot of power. He can go and meet people and people know who he is and everyone wants to be like Togi. Do you know what I'm going to do now? I'm going to take a bunch of steroids. Yeah, dude. Greg don't mean that. He's just saying that to protect his brand. Greg loves the Togi clips. I'm telling you guys, Greg Ducet loves that. Behind the scenes, Greg is a gambler. I don't know if he does drugs, but Greg parties. He gambles. This is exposing Greg Ducet right here. But a lot of people take on the internet with the idea of I want to make a positive impact. I'm an influencer. Like that's what I do is I influence. And so everyone that posts on YouTube, you're just titled influencer, which is not what I am. I'm just an artist. Like I entertainer. I make art. And they're just fun to watch. It's not like you watch my video and you're like, damn, I should go take a bunch of trend. When I started doing social media, a lot of people fall into the trap of being a character. I can't talk about this cuz brand risk. I can't talk about that. But I never wanted to be a slave to my own persona. So it's just like I'm just going to do 100% authentic to myself and then hopefully that catches enough attention just being myself and then I never it's then it's easy cuz I'm never filming a video and I'm like a I got to do this. It's always like this is exciting. I get to do what I love to do. Were you always a wild kid growing up like doing stunts? Yeah. But everyone is, you know, that's why people like to watch my stuff. I feel like there's a huge percentage of college students that are just like me and they can just really resonate with like, oh yeah, yeah, that guy also like real realistically I'm people come me like to my friend group cuz they'll go on a bender for 14 days. They're twice as they'll drink twice as much as me and I'm always like no like I can't I'm too hung over like I don't want to do that. To a lot of um the older people like Greg Ducet it's like a kind of a newer culture I guess and they see that and they're like this is crazy but it's normal. Everyone does like this. So, what age do you become old? 35. How old are you? 35. You just turned 35 days ago. Two days ago. So, I'm like on the cuff. People been telling me that um they feel like during their prime 30 to 40. So, what I really liked, going slightly off topic on this, your road to 10 million challenge was to make $10 million. I believe what 30 days initially. What was the craziest thing that you did for money? The painting I that I sold. Did you see the painting? Yeah, I did. I had a feeling like that it was going to sell for a reasonable amount of money, but ended up I got $146,000 for that painting. Took me 8 hours and it just like blew my mind that somebody was willing and there was a ton of bids, like hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of bids. That was definitely the most bizarre way of making money, but it was only 150k. The most profitable was, oddly enough, online slots, which odds wise, like RTP, if you're going to crunch the numbers, that was like crazy lucky. Actually, when I started the road to 10 million, the joke was that I was planning on just losing like $5 million cuz that's usually how it goes. You But then I first stream Road to 10 million. I accidentally made like a million and a half dollars. Like I I guess we might as well try and make 10 million now. Like the joke is ruined. It's And it's also way cooler to make 10 million than lose. Why 10 million? Well, hold on. Did you have 5 million to lose? No, no, no. It would have been debt. You would have gone in debt. Yeah, but it's cool, dude, cuz it's like the to the casino is no problem cuz it's like So, you borrow from I borrow from uh Rubet and um the casinos in Vegas. You borrow it at Well, since I work for Rubet, they give me 0% interest. That's why it's cool, cuz 5 million. It's like I'll get to it, guys. You know what I mean? See, but you still owe them the money even though it's 0% interest. So, they're not forgiving this. No, but it's cool. How does it how is how how is that cool? Because dude, it's like it's a lot of money. I'm 22 years old. I have a long time and I my income is like reasonably high for my age. So I have a long time to figure my [ __ ] out. I don't got to lock in till I'm until you're old. Awesome. What's the matter? 35us 22, however many years that is. I got 13 years of just likeing off. And then like 34 years old, I'll be like, "All right." He'll be like, "All right, I'm 20 million in debt. I should then you figure it out. But that's why it's great cuz then it's like that's when the world gets really real. Um 20 million in debt which hopefully I'm not at that point. Then you got to lock in like really hard and that's the best way to do it. A lot of people say they were losers unsuccessful until they had kids cuz now you have something that you literally like you it's life or death basically. You have to be successful and if you're in huge debt at that age it's like lock it in. I'm sure I'll figure it out. I never not figured it out. So, you assumed you were just going to lose $5 million of of money that you didn't have, but you ended up on the first stream making, you said $1.5 million gambling. Yeah, I think um at the time I had uh well, it's hard to evaluate my net worth at the time cuz like I have a Lamborghini, but it's like I paid whatever 300 something thousand for it, but how much is it really worth? I don't know. But I think my like roughly my net worth was probably like $600,000 at that time, but my income was reasonably high. So, that's why I'm comfortable losing. That first stream you said you made a million and a half. That was from slots and stuff. So like after this stream, you're now worth $2.1 million probably approximately. Yeah. Okay. And then you decided you're actually going to go for $10 million instead of it being like a gag of financially yourself. Well, I don't know what I was on, but I thought I was going to make $25 million in 30 days. Like to my soul, my core, like I was sitting there. I was I'm going to do it. I guarantee I'm going to do it. I would have put it on anything. I'm going to do it 100%. And then as I did, I was like, this is ridiculous. Like I'm not even close. this is impossible. But that's the whole that's the great part about it is like you if you are truly crazy enough to think that you can do some like just maybe can I do something crazy if I just try and you really think it's going to happen and you go for it you're going to get pretty close like the end road to 10 million I ended up like with like four something million but if I was a little smarter I would have never I 10 million in a month that's just never going to happen. I'm not going to try and then I would have zero amount of millions of dollars. So that's really the beautiful thing about like the crazy delusions. So you actually ended up making $4 million in a month. No, it was two months. So 2 million bucks a month for two months. Yeah. Did that motivate you then to like continue that? No, because I'm like 40 days in. I got like 4 million whatever. I hadn't posted a video in forever. The sponsor's getting mad that I'm not posting content. And I was just thinking to myself, okay, this is great that I have $4 million. But also like realistically, I'm not a total idiot. I'm sitting there thinking, if I lose this $4 million, then the video is back to zero. and then there's no video at all and it's going to be a huge problem. So, I stopped gambling around $4 million in embarking on less risky schemes like the painting. Um, I'm making a song. I wanted that to come out uh before the end of the video so that way I could show people how much I made from the song. Logistically, it's a lot harder to put out a song than you would imagine. And then um I like bought a house, but we can't really tell if that's going to be a good investment for a long time. So, it's like, "All right, we'll probably count that for a few million bucks." What does your accountant think of all of this? cuz I'm thinking through it's like the gambling that's got to be an impossible task to calculate wins and losses and you wiring money for Rolexes and they turn out to be fake. All of these things that one in crypto so that one's cool. we didn't have to uh ever like the I think my understanding I thought my videos were enough financial proof to the IRS that like okay yeah this is like what's going on but then my accountant's like dude we need like what the is this deposit for half a million and I'm just like I don't even I don't really remember to be honest with you like a lot of things I do I don't really know and I didn't know I'm just learning now he called me the other day and he's like the business cards are for business expenses I just whatever account I just pull out a random card. Like did last night at the casino, I used a business card, took out like $10,000 just cuz I whatever. Pick a random card. So, he is super unhappy with me. I have not paid my taxes yet cuz I texted him cuz it was due the 15th, right? It's like, yo, like how much money do I owe? And he was like, it's this is ridiculous. We're still working on it. Because if you if you made $4 million in a year, you probably owe like half of that. Maybe a little less cuz you're in Florida. Hopefully not, dude. You'll owe you'll owe about 37 to 40%. That I can't make of that. I cannot swing that. You guys are going to have to give me some sneaky rich people tips cuz I can't pay 40%. I'll be out of money. Maybe. I mean, we can we can we can be a financial crisis. If I got to pay 40% of my money, we could we could strategize later. You made the 4 million this year, right? That means you have a full year to offset your income with expenses. If you're going to owe this next year, you're going to have a $2 million tax bill so far, unless you lose the money, in which case you're going to use those losses to offset the 4 million profit, but you would then be still net down money. Oh, yeah. We're going to have to figure something else that's not either of those options cuz that's ridiculous. 50% of your money. You give 50% of your money to IRS. I pay 37 plus another 1 to 2% give or take for random things. But we're also in Nevada, 0% income tax here. So if you were in California, you'd be over 50. Yeah. No, I can't do that. We'll have to But that's not really a problem for another It's like what, like 12, 13 months? Yeah, you could stretch it. Now, I'm curious though because you were you were gambling and like consistently winning. How were you able to do that? Was there a strategy behind this or was it luck? No, there's no such thing as strategy and gambling. So, how how it works is the like RTP is like your expected loss and you can look at different games like what's the best RTP. A lot of people will go in play blackjack and it's like why do I lose every time? But if you're not playing perfect blackjack, the odds of you losing are like 80%. But if you play perfect blackjack, the RTP like over an extended period of time, you're expected to lose about 1 to 2% of your money. But over a short period of time, realistically the strategy, which is not mathematically a good strategy, but I always just raise the bet until I win. So say I lose $20,000 on a blackjack hand, the next one just put down 30,000 and you lose, put down 50,000, put down 60,000 and either it ends in devastation or you're good and you win. And so now you're sitting at like 90% chance that I win and there's a 10% chance that I'm fully devastated and the loss is so bad that there's a huge problem. So, we're just gonna pray that doesn't happen. It's never happened. So, yet? Yet. But now it's like now I got $4 million and I'm definitely not paying no taxes. So, I can You could flee. Yeah. Puerto Rico. Well, the the idea is ideally I use this $4 million, make some investments, and then I won't have to gamble as much. Like, I've already lowered How much did we lose last night? I lost 200,000 last night playing Blackjack. How did you do that? Was that the strategy of doubling down? No, I actually tried I called a casino. I was like, "I need more money." And they were like, "No." Because I was borrowing it from them. So now I actually owe them $200,000. So you have 3.8. Yeah. So now we got $3.8 million. Wait, that decreases your tax bill. So that's good. What does $200,000 mean to you? Because to me it's it's it's nuts to lose $200,000 and just be like, "That's 200 grand, whatever." Well, it's like easy come easy go, you know? Like the most I ever made was a video I lost everything 2 million something in like 48 hours just gambling and meme coins. If you can do that, if you're willing to take enough risk where $2 million is on the table whatsoever, you got to be cool losing $200,000. And also, it's like, what is money really good for? You have security and experiences. And the security, you can feel fully secure. You can do anything you want. 70K a month and you can do anything in the world. Everything. You unlimited doctor bills, whatever, this and that, insurance, everything you need. So after 70k a month, it's like this money I might as well just like it's there. I don't see any value in saving. Like what the [ __ ] am I going to do with $100 million when I'm 70 years old? As 70 year olds in a super car, that's not cool at all. 22-year-old in a Lamborghini, that's like super super exciting, super fun. The ROI is way higher blowing your money as a 22-year-old than when you're old. So I kind of after I after my main base expenses, all that money is just like whatever. But what about the idea of saving and investing on the side? Building up a nest egg that would eventually pay you the $70,000 a month without you. Uh you heard of Pepe to cryptocurrency? I I have. Yeah, that's my investment portfolio. How much Pepe do you have? You know, when you really crunch numbers sometimes I I look back on like a stream the other week I lost $1.8 million. So really So you're down to 2 million. Yeah, which is I we're chipping away at taxes. But either way, that was a majority. I had like 1 point something million in Pepe and then I gambled it all away. Has Pepe gone up since then? I don't know. I don't look because it makes me depressed. I got to figure out I got to gamble and get some more Pepe. Oh, no. It's about the same. So, we'll get back in. You're actually at 2 million right now. I guess if you crunch the numbers, uh about $2 million cuz that $1.8 million loss was ass. How did you lose 1.8 million? Blinko balls, dude. Oh my god. What happened was I didn't even want to stream cuz I was working. Well, which is technically streaming, but I was doing like editing my video and whatnot. And I was like, "All right, whatever. I'm supposed to get some hours in. I'm going to do a $50,000 buy in. Super mellow stream." But then once you start taking stimulants, it's like game over. The second you take any amount of stimulants, it's literally impossible to stop gambling. So, one thing leads to another. It was supposed to be a 30-minute stream. It was 15 hours and I lost $1.8 million. It's on my cake. I'm going to put that in the next YouTube video. Why would you I know this is like an obvious question, but is it easier then just to say no to the stimulants than it is to say no to the gambling if you're on stimulants? No. Um so it's a recipe for dis. It's just like this. Yeah. But it's awesome because gambling at a certain point it's not even fun if you're not on stimulants. Like if you're not somewhat inebriated, it's almost too stressful. You can't see the cards right. Like you can't make daring enough plays to do crazy where you actually win cuz dude people will win 30% gambling and they'll be like well that would kind of suck. It's like cuz you're gambling like a total [ __ ] Like if you're inebriated then you can go nuts and it's way more fun. You and that's what like that's the purest form of gambling. See I would say like I would try to provide solutions like you'd have someone that has control over your money and you can't request money from them. You can't try to borrow money from friends. You like put out this mass message. But also, if it doesn't bother you, like if you're totally fine losing $2 million and you're like fully conscious of, you know, what you're doing, then there's no it's really not a problem. Like, because I have this safety net of I'm still getting this somewhat passive income of just by having my own brand and all the sponsors pay me, whatever. I could lose my whole net worth today. And it's like, at least I got Dude, one year ago, I lived in a frat basement free cuz I didn't have any money to pay for it. And I was so happy. It was so much fun. I loved that. Like does does chain really bring me like I'm not any happier with the chain. I think if I had nothing that's like also I'm in my bag when I have nothing. I feel fully content being poor. How would you rate your finances? 1 to 10. 10 100%. Dude, I mean who else has ever made not who ever, but regular college kid frat basement to now I have millions of dollars. And if you looked at a chart of my finances, it would be outperforming Warren Buffett. It would be outperforming. That's the only dude I know that does finances. But either way, way outperforming Warren Buffett as far as the ROI in the time that I'm doing. And where does savings fit into all of this money you just put on the side pepe until I gambled it away? There's no saving though. No, you don't save at all. I save in the sense of I spent 100,000 on this watch and I could sell it for probably 80,000. So that's a safety net. I always No, it's not terrible. But this is a good thing. I I like the Anything is better than gambling, right? So, if I just have crypto or have money, then there's a problem because it takes me 5 seconds to get that money, put it on one blackjack hand. If I So, every month I just try and spend like a few hundred,000 on jewelry and cars and then that way I have your house access and my house. Did you bullied? No, I put um 700 down. 1.3 million. I got bullied into buying that house. I texted my friend, the jeweler, and I was like, I need this new car. It's like a $300,000 car. And he's like, dude, you have spent $2 million in the last year on jewelry cars and you have no houses. 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But I'm ready for it. like I'm more than excited to or more than willing to take on any challenge and if I lost all my social media it would be on I'd hit the Scheme lab and then it's on to the next thing. Like I would let myself complain for 7 days. Okay, probably just do nothing for 7 days. I'm depressed. Never happened. Now I'm back. Now I got nothing and now we're going to have to do it again. Time and time again. I've When I was 18 years old, I made um like $900,000 trading crypto. like super high leverage. And then I thought I was the man. I thought I was the coolest kid ever. Started partying a bunch, buying like cars, whatever, traveling. 6 months later, I was in debt to the IRS for taxes cuz turns out vacation in Italy doesn't count as a tax write off. So, it's like I got this income from crypto, still got to pay taxes, which is ridiculous. For the record, I can't believe that's how that works. But after that, it was like whatever, we got to find the next game. And I was like, okay, now I'm just going to get famous and make money that way. How do you have such confidence? It's just like you seem so self assured that no matter what's going to happen, you're going to be fine. There's so many people that have more than me that are inherently less capable. Like I've met so many people that are just idiots, but they have so much money. I've met like CEOs. It's like, what the are you talking about right now, dude? None of this. You are so out of the loop. But you've got $5 million. So if you can do it, what? There's no reason that anyone else on the planet couldn't do it. So comparison is good. How do you mean? Because a lot of people say like comparison is the thief of joy, but you use comparison in a good way. Sometimes the grass is green on the other side cuz it's fake, right? You have to take everything you see with a grain of salt. Like a good example is that Haley Welch girl, Hakua, everyone's jealous. Why is Hakua famous? How'd she get famous? She's rich and famous. She's rich and famous. That's [ __ ] that she's rich and famous and I'm not. She got too famous too fast for her own. She was famous on borrowed effort. She didn't have the trials to prepare her for the success that she had, which is unfortunate. She her empire was given to her and she didn't ask for that. 2 months later, she does a cryptocurrency scam, which was probably not her fault. She probably had no idea what was going on. She was just like, some rich people are like, "Yo, come this way, do this, do that." And then now all of a sudden, her empire has entirely fallen. Everybody would take their life over Haktua's life now cuz she's got all this [ __ ] legal [ __ ] going on. But 2 months ago, it's like, this is so sick. I want to be Hakua. She's so lucky. I think it's bad management. To me, it seems like someone put that deal in front of her and told her to take it, and she's not sophisticated enough to say no to it. Or maybe on the surface, it appeared like, "Hey, this is a fun little thing we could do. It's a meme coin. It's funny." But behind the scenes, she has no idea what's going on. Well, that's the problem is cuz she was too famous too fast. And like how do you even know to when to pick a manager when you fall asleep one night, next day you got 10 million followers. How do you even set up that entire like I'm still figuring out like how to manage deals and go about like what's a red flag? What should I take money for ads wise and whatnot and I've been doing it 15 months maybe I don't know a year. In that short of time you can never prepare yourself for what she had. How is your business broken down right now in terms of like where income sources come in? How many people do you have behind the scenes that help you out? I got one Indian. His name is Startac. He's the goat. Togei reel. He uh Togei Rio is the coolest dude ever. He's the hardest working Indian ever. He does everything for me other than me. So, the reason it takes me so long to put my videos out is cuz I plan everything. I edit everything. I film everything. It's I'm a oneman army and I do 100% of the work except for like whatever the my Indian dude can take care of. So, um, the expenses wise there, it's like I keep that's it's cool because I get to keep 100% creative power, 100% of my money. Um, and there's just like no one can [ __ ] with me. It's just shout out my label Destiny. And then what about income sources coming in? I got um Rubet, Young LA, Kick, uh, Snapchat. Is Snapchat pretty good? They pay me like 30k a month. So, it's like it's chill. Like, for what it is, you don't have to work too hard on it. There's got to be something else. There's no way I only got four ways. Oh, and and then technically the most profitable thing that I do is gambling, but the safety net, like the real income is those four sponsors. Do you have any financial regrets at all or are you totally fine with all of the decisions? If I could have stopped myself from playing those Plinko balls, uh, I would have done that. But as far as like genuine regret, um, nothing off the top of my head. Tell me about the watches, the fake watches that you bought. Oh, yeah. So, okay. I'm not like so far out of the loop where I I see this guy on the internet and he's selling like whatever he's like four Rolexes, one of them is a Daytona. Like these are expensive watches. There was at least 40% of me that was like this is a scam. 100% this is totally a scam. And then 60% of me was like it could be a really screaming hot deal. And so my idea is everything in my life that I do as long as it's on camera, I'm willing to take more risks cuz it's a little bit funnier. It's a little bit more crazy. So, when the camera's on, I'll gamble twice as much. When the camera's on, I'll be like, "If we're going to just buy these watches in case it's a screaming hot deal." And if it's a scam, then it's like, "Okay, well, then at the very least, people get to laugh at my pain." And so, what happened for those who haven't seen it? So, I'm looking on Reddit for the cheapest possible deal on some Rolexes, like the Rolex subreddit or whatever. And this guy had four Rolexes, maybe five, on sale for like 80,000 bucks. And I uh sent him crypto. And then he sent me four fake watches. Were they good fakes? What did you do with the watches afterwards? Dude, they were incredible fakes. I went to the jeweler. They had to open up, look inside the guts to see that the movement was fake. Like the outside there like I mean it looks like they they use these crazy lasers and [ __ ] now. Especially with like I guess Rolexes are really easy to fake to be seen. So after I think the watches are just out my crib. Really? Yeah. Give them away. Yeah. But then people are going to be like I got this Rolex. I just fake. But it's also cool because it's like I like to keep um that that was a part of one of my Yeah. It's like that was a fun little memory getting scammed and it's like a cool video. So like things that I do over my videos I I like to keep on uh keep hold of most of the stuff that was involved in all of it. At what point do you think you're going to want to have like a nest egg? Like what savings? Yeah. I've never thought about that in my life. Like I guess I'll think about it right now. It would be cool to have a nest egg right now, but like then I have to embark on how much how much do you want as a nest egg? How much should I have? I don't know. I mean, realistically, my goal in life is to have $100 million net worth. So, nest egg would be like what? What percentage of like you have $10 million saved somewhere in like S&P or something? What counts as a nest egg? I think a nest egg would just be like if you're making let's just random number here like 300 grand a month how or 400 how much would your life differ spending 400 grand a month to spending 200 grand a month and you get to stow away 200 grand a month oh okay okay like and then and then you have this $200,000 that is untouched and it just rests in like equities or something that's you know conservatively grows year-over-year and you at least know that like you'll never be broke again. Oh, probably once I have um more responsibilities whenever that comes. Like when did in well at what point in your life were you all of a sudden like you got a whole bunch of I don't know like I guess now I got this mortgage that's pretty adult. I never had a mortgage before. I got to pay 13,000 a month but probably not till like 25, right? For me, I I mean, ever since I was like young, like obviously as I've like my income has grown, I've become totally fine spending more money on certain things, but I think it was originally kind of about freedom. Like I wanted to make sure that I don't have to work if I don't want to. Like I have some money that I could make some passive income off of and I'll exist fine. Yeah. But it's like what's the fun and not what would you do if you didn't work? Like having to work. It's having the option option, dude. Because it's like what? Like it's I would be if I wasn't continuously that's why I say I'm not sure if 100 million is the number cuz I get 100 number 100 million I'm not going to just stop working and off cuz then what do you do like if I'm not every day or like every month making forward progress in whatever scheme I'm currently working on. I would be depressed if I sit there for seven days straight and I don't do anything. I start getting super depressed. And it's just like, ah, what a what is going on here? Without productivity and something pushing you and pulling you to strive for more, I think I would be super bored. Here's what I would do. See, if if I were you, I'd get 5 million bucks on the side stashed away in investments that you never touch unless you absolutely need to. That is your fund that no matter what happens to you, you'll always have an income between 250 to 300 grand a year. No matter what, you could do whatever you want to and you're always going to have so much cooler with $5 million. You could just the memories like, bro, but just Okay, but just and then you could think of the plink, but you just get 5 million and then everything after that you you could blow. I think the thing is that he just has he has it's so funny because we're so in tune with like like the business and hardcore finance and like grind and like save. That's kind of our niche on YouTube, but you're completely like on the polar opposite side. So for us it's just kind of like jarring and it's it's it's interesting to hear like you go back and forth on Airbnbs for like a $100 difference. I I have to like we have to understand that you just have different priorities and that's totally fine. Yeah. I think also a big thing is like age. Well like realistically imagine how much cooler or how epic it would be if you blew a million dollars on a crazy vacation, crazy with your friends. Everyone you and your friends will remember that forever. You give your mom a million dollars. That's like boom, retire mom. And then just like giving I would like to just give away a million dollars to strangers on the street cuz that's like it fills my heart with joy and it's fun rather than like saving it making 300k a year guaranteed. Like I don't that doesn't sound interesting to me. It's just a safety net. Like safety inherently does not sound interesting to me. It's very boring if things are too nice. like almost that's why gambling is so exciting is all gamblers to a certain degree love the self-sabotage where that was devastating and horrible but that's why it's awesome because you could potentially like my friend last night literally lost his net worth but he left today with a smile on his face his name is Nate Udi walked out of the casino with a smile on his face and he's actually done this twice now which is bizarre I've done it once how much was his net worth so the first time we lost his net worth it was on stream and no one thought it was real which is why because everyone's like oh my god I'm giving my net worth like This is soing like crazy. This was like he like literally he had $250,000 and we lost it on one stream and then he went home and he was completely out of money. This time around his net worth was only $10,000. So he took his last $10,000 and it was like I'm either poor already. I'm poor now. What do you do with $10,000? Or I can be super poor. Um so he's just like I'm just going to gamble. And he lost it and now he's like whatever. Doesn't this [ __ ] with your dopamine receptors to like cuz you have such crazy swings with money and just highs and lows. Everything would seem boring after something like that. Yeah, it is um not good how rapidly the dopamine gets fried. Like 3 months ago, my net worth was like what I had good money and I was very excited over winning $10,000. Now I'll win $50,000 and it's just like that wasn't that cool. But that's just because the dopamine gets fried. But that's a problem I don't know what to do about. Don't know what to do about the I think it's only going to get worse because pretty soon you'll say the same thing with grand more extreme more extreme. More extreme. Well, I've seen that with Dana White. He used to be excited winning and he's just he's a billionaire. The money doesn't matter to him. But he used to be excited to win 50,000. Last time I was gambling with him, he lost $5 million. And 8 month period of change have gone from plus 50,000 -50,000 to now plus 5 million -5 million. And I that's just how it is. Like I don't know what to do about it. One of the highlights was that Jack and I uh got to meet Steve will do it and we went to Red Rock and Dana showed up and I watched them play Bakar and I was entranced by by he was he was playing $100,000 chips just like they're like they're nothing and just like here's 100 grand 100 grand. He was up. He was making money. Like he was up like 300 grand 400 grand by the time we left. And I'm thinking, "Holy $400,000 in like 15 minutes." But it's just it's just like not it's just chips. Yeah, it is crazy how a $5 chip is the same size as a $25,000 chip. It's really cool to watch. It it it screws my mind knowing that that's that's the $100,000 plus or minus, but the person on the other end of it dealing they're probably making 80 grand a year. So, one of those chips is is worth more than an entire year of salary and it's gone in like 20 seconds. Yeah. And for the viewers, but that's why it's so um exciting to watch somebody gamble such high stakes cuz it's like I can't even fathom like the what the f when I didn't have any money. I would watch people gamble $50,000 hands and what is going on? This is insanity. And that's just part of entertainment. Like the crazier is more viewable. What you got? What's this thing right here? Oh yeah. I'm glad you asked. This is Magic Mind. So, they sent us these uh about 6 months ago and I tried them. It's like this little energy performance mental clarity shot. They're delicious. I'll give you a few to take with you, but I started drinking these before podcasts. And they were incredible. And then they reached out and they said, "Hey, could we sponsor your podcast?" I said, "Absolutely. It's I genuinely like the product. Uh we take them with us every time we travel and they fit in my backpack and they go through TSA because they're below that liquid limit and I sometimes have these instead of coffees so it's like a little bit of caffeine but it's not enough to keep you like wired or anything like that. So I really like this. So if you guys are interested there is a link down below in the description. You can get some for yourself. What's the most that you've gambled and the most you've seen someone gamble? The most I've personally gambled like over what period of time? Probably this road to 10 million thing. I mean, the most I've ever hit was 1 million on a slot. It was like a $1,000 spin. Just big badass Christmas bonanza. And I paid out a million. So that that stream I ended up I bought in I think 400,000 and I went up to 2 million. Cashed out at 1 and a.5 million. But um the most I've ever seen someone gamble I think probably. Do you guys know who Exposed is? No. He he pretty consistently goes to Red Rock and does like 100,000 plus other hands, but the limits are pretty stiff. Like you don't really get to bet more than 300,000 a hand at any casino as far as I've been let into. I'm sure somewhere people do that, but like probably like $300,000 hands is the most that people like and it's like the Dana Whites experience like nobody does. What does it feel like to win a million dollars? Oh well, this is at the time I was doing so much that I don't actually remember it. I just had to watch a video back and it's like holy. It was that's why it's in that video went so viral cuz it's such a captivating story. I was doing so many drugs at that period of my life that it was on I was in Mexico doing a ton of and I don't the night before I had lost maybe like 900,000 I don't know don't remember it and then when you're like taking on a bender you wake up the next day and you just roll over you take a pill like you roll over grab some put them in your body so that you like feel better and you continue the bender effectively I went into this dream one $1 million the next day I invested it into Pepe. Pepe got listed on Robin Hood doubled and then about 4 days later I checked my accounts and $2 million was just like there and I had to go look back at all the footage like okay so this is what piece it together this is what happened and that's why it takes so long for me to edit my videos everyone's like why don't you post more because I don't know what the happened so I have to meticulously go through every hour of that 10our stream like where did this million come from and then you look at okay so now it's all of a sudden 2 million what the happened there you look at your crypto transactions okay so we put all into Pepe and then you know you can kind of put the pieces of the story together. But it is kind of sad that like a lot of the coolest things like some people ask me like what's a crazy story and it's like I do not remember a lot of the things that have happened to me in the last year which is why I stopped doing cuz that's it's just you don't remember like so much cool when you're blacked out on Xanax. What's the craziest that you've taken? Well, it depends on like what you define as crazy. I've done um probably every Well, uh I did uh meth on accident one time and then I was I had to go to the hospital cuz I overdosed. So, that was like the craziest experience. Um, but I mean, I've never injected anything other than steroids. I think every single drug that's popular. What's the best uh good? What's What else is good? Um, those are the best. Xanax, Aderall, ketamine. Oh, percoetses. Oh my god. Percoets are great. But uh understand that like that you feel the best on the fallout from taking perets for a few days like you are in a very bad spot mentally and physically like the withdrawals can so the better it feels the worse. It's not like I'm telling you guys oh these are they're the best as in they feel the nicest but the comedown is equivalently as bad. Do you worry about doing damage like something permanent like changes? I would be worried, but that's just like all of my friends and everybody. It's like a consistent experience that everyone does these that I know. And it's like, okay, so if all 500 of you people are doing the exact same thing as me and like as far as I'm concerned, only four of you are up. It's like, I guess we're rolling those dice. So that's a that's that's dice rolling just like the proof concept is there. Like I started doing I'd say hard maybe I was like 14 years old. So like a lot that's what eight years and I'm sure I do part of me thinks I would be a lot smarter if I wasn't doing that. But I'm not I like being ignorant. Ignorant is bliss. Like being delusionally confident. That's great. I think maybe the drugs banged my brain up just just perfectly enough so that you know I'm not too smart for my own good. I think everyone's a lot of people are too smart for their own good and then it's like oh I got this business idea but then you're like really smart and you're thinking about all the numbers and everything that's never going to work and then you never do it like if you just don't think about stuff to like I don't think about many things at all ever like every day I probably have like six like useful thoughts and then the rest of it is just kind of like give me an example of a useful thought you had today. No, today was bad cuz I went to bed at noon. Um and that's why I had to push this podcast back. Usually before a podcast I scheme like a few useful thoughts. Okay, today there has been zero useful thoughts. I can't remember the last useful thought that I had actually. Let me think about this. This is ridiculous that this is uh useful thought. Um I thought like it feels like the last good thing that I thought was I'm going to sell this painting which was about four weeks ago. So that that can't be the case. Maybe I thought of a Yeah, I thought I should read more books about 4 days ago. Do you think you're going to do that? Yeah, I like audio books. Who bought the Who the painting? Just some random fan. We talked on the phone for a little bit and he has his story is that he was in not the best place mentally and then he started watching my content and listening to some of the speeches that I would give and he started taking testosterone and his hormones are now level and his income has I obviously exploded. So he it's so meaningful to him. It's not like he was more really excited to support my journey because what I've given to him. He didn't care for the art. He just was like toi changed my life and now I want to just be a part of his journey. How do you get the money? It's a lot of 150 grand is a lot to spend on. Oh, did he? Yeah. Oh, I didn't ask. I didn't You weren't curious. Well, I guess when 150k doesn't sound like that much to me, I guess like Well, anyone can have 150 that you could Yeah, but but to spend on a discretionary painting from I mean I I've spent like like okay an example is I spent Steve will do it one of my good friends he was losing a ton of money gambling and he was in a bad mood at the time I had maybe yeah my net worth was around $500,000 like cashwise I probably had $100,000 but I sold a bunch of my jewelry and I used my last $100,000 for my name to buy my Richard Mill cuz he was he's just such a good friend and he was a horrible woman who's like, "This will cheer him up. Nobody gives Steve anything." So, the point being is that it's not abnormal in my head that somebody would spend an excessive amount of money to give back to somebody that means a lot to them. We're in such a different like 150 grand. Yeah. But I mean, look, I I I understand where you're coming from. I just have to accept that different people have different priorities, which is it's cool. It's cool to hear about. I'm curious because you took an IQ test and you said that you are like clinically dumb. No, dude. that statistic that IQ test was right after I got back from Cabo. So, I was coming off of a ton of drugs. I think that actually might have been right after I won the It's very hazy. But the point being is I remember sitting down at the computer and looking at the wall and you know when you look at the wall and like everything's just like fuzz. You have no thought. You're just like brain fog. Yeah, it was the worst brain fog I've experienced in a long time. So, I knew it was not going to be the best. I think I could do way better if I retook that IQ test. I mean, I I agree. I think for the for the bit it's funny, but I mean you're obviously smarter than the average person. Like you you can't I feel like do what you've done. And also it's interesting because you have these random like really well thoughtout epiphanies and I don't know if you're coming on like up with them off the cuff or if it's something that you've thought about like you're like yeah people say the grass is always greener on the other side but what if it's artificial grass? It's like gee like how did you come up with that so quickly? Like that would be the last maybe good thought or useful good thought that is I don't know why I have these like small little epiphies that you come up with that are like really you know you you said something great also about like becoming successful and limiting beliefs and having the conviction that you could do something like there are most people think too much for their own good yeah there are nuggets of just information conceptually that's not that difficult like understanding like conceptually that like people I don't think would come up with something like that like that's like that takes like a different level of metacognition. You're like thinking about thinking. I spend a lot of time like consciously thinking. Like I'll try and I I'm worse about it now, but I used to spend like 15 minutes a day and I would stare at a wall and they just think cuz and you don't have to force thoughts. Like everybody has incredible thoughts in their brain but they're too distracted because they're scrolling. They're too afraid to let their thoughts happen. And then a lot of people try to think for a couple minutes and like it's not working. I'm going to give up on it. But if you sit there and just stare at your watch for 5 minutes, you all of a sudden you're, "Oh, I never realized that about the watch." It just comes to you. It's very natural for humans to think. But in every today's society, all the that like makes you obsessed with dopamine or whatever makes it hard to think. But if you spend even 5 10 15 minutes a day thinking, I guess have elevated above what a lot of people and I don't think my brain processes nearly as fast as like what's that the definition of a genius is someone that can process information a lot faster than whatever the average person but it only takes 15 minutes of like my slow CPU churning to come up with whatever these ideas that I speak. So, what's your advice to young people who feel like just the price of everything's going up, opportunities are hard to come by, and they want to be successful. It's not that you want to be successful, it's that you have to be successful every day. You, okay, I'll put it this way. When you end your life, you're either living your fears or your dreams. And the fears being you never reached your fullest potential. You never took care of your kids. You never retire retired your mother. You never treated your friends right with everything that they deserved. And then your dreams is whatever your dreams might be. And every single day the sun comes up and that's a day that you're either watching Rick and Morty smoking which is feeding your fears or every day you're headed towards your dreams. So there's no I want to be successful. You have to and all you can do is that day make sure that you're on the side of the dreams. It might not feel like you're making that much progress, but if you go to the gym that day, you get your meals in, and you spend time like alone with your thoughts. That's not much, but you're on your way to your dreams. Everyone thinks, "How the am I going to make $10 million? How how am I going to I can't get a house cuz it's so expensive." And then they start thinking this is a part of the reason being too smart is no good because you're way overanalyzing this massive problem because the more you think about anything there's a billion problems with it. But if you just simp make it super simple today I'm going to work out and spend time with my own thoughts. You're in the right direction. So don't take it so the problem is huge, but just chip away one day at a time and don't even you don't even need to think about the end goal of having a house every day. Like you have that initial thought and you're like, "All right, now that's on the pin board and every day we're just going to slowly work to better myself." And what do you think holds most people back? The idea that it's too big of a goal. So it's like this is just everyone says I can't get a house cuz it's too expensive and that's what they say. They didn't get a house cuz whatever. And I'm not even You know what? I'm just going to get a regular job cuz it's and it's not even worth trying. But I'm the perfect example of regular Joe with below average, not necessarily below average, but pretty average tools. Like I'm nothing not special by any means and I found a reasonable amount of success. So if I can do it, why not you? Here's what I'll say uh about you. You have you have two really great qualities about you. One is you don't overthink things and whatever pops into your mind, you're just going to go and do it without doubting yourself. So I think that's really important. You have that. The other thing you have is that you picked I think the right lane at the right time for your personality because you're really entertaining. like that first video you posted is so unbelievably good that it's just like you can't help but keep watching it because every moment there's just like another like people I I think watch to expect you to like crash out at some point. They just want to see like oh what what's he going to do now? What's he and you keep people on edge and you're really really really good on camera. Like your your hand movements and the way you speak it's like that's engaging. Like it it kept me up. I was driving late in the car and your videos are getting me amped up at like 1:00 in the morning as I'm driving. I didn't know I was good at YouTube. I didn't know I was good at making content until uh somebody one day said, "Oh, you're funny. You shouldn't make a YouTube video." I have never met once in my entire life like a person that's not good at like a useless person. Everyone is phenomenal at at least one thing, but people just don't know what they're sitting on. Like inherently, you're gold. you just think you're a piece of [ __ ] because you're embarking on all the wrong journeys and then it's a negative spiral. You're going like the more you fail, the more you think you're a piece of [ __ ] But you just need to try enough new things and eventually you're going to find that you're incredible. And that's what like I tell a lot of young people like you're not a loser. You're just not doing what you're meant to be. Everyone is top 1% at at least one thing. Really, if you've ever worked a 40hour week, that's not easy. Like, you know how to work really hard. But people don't give them that that credit to themselves cuz they're like, "Ah, whatever. I only made $1,000 last week. I'm a piece." You woke up at 5:00 a.m. every day. I couldn't do that. You just out you outdid me. Even though I have more money than you outdid me in hard work, you know? So, everyone has something. And what if they want to be rich? What if that's their goal? What's your advice to those people? Don't try and be rich because that's when you get lost in you get too focused on the end goal. You will get rich if you become the best at what you love. For example, that dude that what's that movie the the dude that climbs rocks and he does it with Alex Honolul. I don't know. Either way, no one would expect I'm going to climb on thising rock so good that I'm gonna be a millionaire. That guy is a millionaire because he has a cool movie now and he's like the best at climbing rocks. I guarantee you he never once was thinking, I'm gonna climb on this rock for the money. So, you just have to be focused on your passion and become the best at it. And the money, as far as my experience goes, just like falls into your hands once you're doing something that you like. Would you say that money has changed you at all or that you're happier with money? Like once you get to say maybe 50k a month, then you can really do everything. And then the money beyond 50k a month doesn't add. Like I do not feel happier because I'm wearing half a million dollars of jewelry. But I do feel happier that I have 50K a month. I can take my friends on a vacation and my mother out to a nice dinner. That's the really where the money is valuable. Um, as far as money changing me, no, I always had a lot of people think it's like I talk about money and I have a big ego. I always had a really big ego and knew where I was going. I just never talked about it cuz the proof of concept wasn't there. Nobody wants to hear somebody that's living in a front basement talk about I'm going to be so rich one day you guys have no [ __ ] idea. But now that I have the money, I feel more confident in talking about money cuz you know the proof of concept is there. There's credibility. Um, so I don't think it's changed me at all. How did you get started gambling? What was the first time you you did that? Oh, dude, I must have been like 15 years old that I can't even really online casinos is where everybody like all me and all my friends at high school is like, "Let's bet on Well, I guess it would start with betting directly against my friend. I bet you $5 this." And it's like, "Okay, that was cool. I just won $10. I didn't have to do anything. That's cool. I remember the first time me and my friends opened up an online casino was one of the most fun nights we have ever had. We gambled $20 and it lasted us about 4 hours and we went up to 100 down and it was such a special memory to me. Like the second I gambled for the first time, I knew that I'm going to do this for the rest of my life. This is incredible. And what was the most happy you've been for a win that you remember? Gambling is best when you're broke because then it's like you're either not eating that day or you're gonna eat steak. And so it was um we did a $1,000 Plinko ball. Me and my three friends split it and it hit a 9x. So we made $9,000 and at the time I didn't have rent money. So I had rent money for 3 days and that was like the peak. I've never been happier in my entire life and I only won $3,000. It was probably It felt probably 10 times better to win that $3,000 than it did to feel win whatever my biggest win is like a million something. Do you feel like you're constantly chasing that feeling though? 100%. But I've accepted that I'll never feel that unless I get go broke again, which is exciting. That's a productive thought that I just had. I shouldn't be afraid of going broke because life is more potent when you're broke. The stakes are higher cuz I don't have the safety net of at least I got a bed to go sleep on. At least I can eat food tonight. Like I go after this if I lose a million dollars at the casino, at least I can go out to dinner still. But if you're broke and you're gambling, then it's just like life is so much more exhilarating with everything else. Maybe it just gives you motivation. If you have lose everything that there's only up. If you feel like you have nothing going for you, you have nothing to lose. So, might as well go for it. Do it all. When would you say you were most broke? After I made the million dollars when I was 18. I think I owed the government maybe like $200,000 and I had $13,000 in my bank account. So that was probably my brokeest. So how how long did it take to recover from that? Well, I took that $13,000 and I put it into Pepe 2 days after it launched and then it turned into a million dollars over like maybe eight months. So it was like eight months. Dude, I need financial advice from you. I think that was Pepe. But you know what's funny is the reason I like Pepe so much is because of that experience. And it's funny that I bought Pepe because I would have never done that, but I was just on the I was just like, I'm [ __ ] Like, I am so [ __ ] I don't even know how I'm going to get this $200,000. So, I was I was effectively full tilt, but life full tilt on life. So, I was like, I guess I'm just going to put I'm going to pick a random meme coin and I'm going to put my entire net worth into it and pray. And I scrolling through the meme coins like, oh, Pepe the Frog, that's funny. Picked that one and then now it's like worth what, $6 billion. And I invested in it was worth like 30 million. So that was just pure luck. I don't Do you feel like you have like an angel or something looking over you? Just like a lot of people say toi's got plot armor cuz somehow it always just works out. But also I think that's the plot armor comes from being so willing and confident like manifestation is a very like the law of attraction is very real thing. If you can taste it, if you can see something is so real that you can taste it. I don't know why or how that works but it comes your way. So, I think the mindset and me being so um in touch with what I want and attracting the things that I desire has given me this like quote unquote plot armor. Do you think you're addicted to gambling? Yes. I think I I don't think I don't think Gamblers Anonymous has ever seen a beast like me. I swear I it's sometimes I watch myself on stream back and I'm I'm like, "What the is wrong with you?" Cuz I don't think I could go maybe 48 hours without gambling. like it is I'm full on have to gamble all the time but it's also awesome like me and all my friends are also addicted to gambling and it's like a very fun experience and um we have a very strong bond over Do you think that's maybe you guys all enabling each other and like kind of just or making it seem normal because it's all you see it's all you're around if you were in a so say you're like feeding for crack you're addicted to crack you're probably feeding for like maybe once every 3 hours then you're in a room with 10 crack addicts every 10 minutes somebody's we should do some at when you're gambling it's like yeah every 10 minutes I'm sitting with my friends and somebody's like let's go gamble so it is very enabling but that's it's cool it's not caused any problems thus far but I don't like I seriously can't stop gamble it's what's your plan long long term like is it going to be one day you're going to stop or you're going to scale back here's the thing and this is something that a lot of people have a hard time um wrapping their head around typically I don't think a week a week out like you guys saw it was very difficult for me to schedule this podcast because I you were like you want to do this in a month. I was like I have no idea what I'm going to do in a month. I might be in Dubai in a month. I might you know. So I think one my life is scheduled out in one YouTube video at a time. I'll be doing a YouTube video and I'm like taking a bunch of drugs in order to edit it. This was a while ago. But I remember one time thinking that I was going to die because of the drugs and I was just sitting there like just get this YouTube video out and then you can just get this YouTube video out and then you can. So it's really like I have no thought further than roughly 30 days and then it's just like blank in my head. Are you afraid of dying? Definitely. No, I mean no more afraid than anyone else per se. Like everyone's afraid of So why why wouldn't you take precautions to lessen the risk of you? Oh, I would like to do that. And now that I have the money to do it, it's easier. Like I'm getting a MRI on my whole body, figure out like exactly what's I need to like address and focus on. might get my blood work done more frequently now just to like make sure everything under the hood is good. Um, but then again, it's like when you're battling like the addiction of whatever it might be like gambling and you want to be healthy, like it's very easy to fall into a weekl long bender and then you come out and you're like, "Okay, not good. We should run that back and not do things of that nature." But that's kind of like everyone has internal conflict and that's like one of mine is like I don't want to die but I also love doing and gambling. So it's like if I could give you unsolicited advice, you don't have to listen to it. I would create a budget every single month or a week or day actually that you gamble guiltfree and if you lose it, you go down to zero, totally fine. But as long as you create I've done this before without going over it. No self-control. Like once you get in the mind of a gambling addict, like it's literally like I've tried to do that at least 10 times. I've never stuck to the budget ever once I start taking drugs. like you're sitting there the whole responsibility like you know you're sitting there and you're either in responsible mode when you're like this is allucked and I need to set a budget and then you're sitting at the table and you don't it's that conversation you had with yourself 4 hours ago never happened it doesn't exist. I'm curious what generally causes that tipping point between like, okay, I'm done with Plinko. I'm going to clock out for the night or like, I'm done with this bender. I'm going to return back to normal life. Like, what usually is the motivation for you to end those things? Well, the 1.8 million is cuz Rubet locked my account. They said you're done gambling. But you would have kept going. I would have kept going. Um, and then like the vendor situation is usually predetermined, right? Like you have a vacation. So, it's like I'm going to be here for 7 days. When we were doing the Toki versus Cabo video, the trip was planned for 3 days and we ended up being there for 13 days cuz every day we just like let's extend it, let's extend it, let's extend it. So, usually it's like once your body is like it can't take anymore like at a certain point of doing so many drugs and gambling like you do get exhausted and you're just like okay the ROI is no longer there. I can now and the drugs very quickly don't hit the same like at the first day of tok I'd probably take three pills a day the last day I was probably taking 100 a day so it's like very quickly eventually the just stop working and you have to take time off and your brain is just like not working so it's kind of like the tipping point is not I don't pick the tipping point the universe is like Rubet's like you're done gambling or my body is like you are done doing all of this and then you're like all right then you return to reality. I have a buddy who has a gambling addiction and I've seen it and it it's fine if you have money coming in, but I've also seen it get to a point where you're starting to like sell stuff just to get enough money to like put it all on one hand like sell your car, put that on a hand, but lose it and then think, okay, what else could I sell? I'm going to double that to try to win it back. And then if you win it back, then it's like, okay, well now I'm zero again, so I'm going to I'm going to play now because it's like I didn't play at all. There's so many ways to think about how hard he's schemed to get money. Like he just needs to he's like, "I should sell my car." If dude, selling your car is such a pain in the ass. If he just used that energy like being addicted to gambling to a degree forces you to be productive and make something of yourself or is like I I need The problem is it's never ending. It's like you can't be you can't out success the gambling cuz eventually you'll keep losing. Well, cuz I've seen him up a lot of money, but he's justified a way to spend it back. Like, let's just say he's up 100 grand. Now, it's like, well, it's a free hundred,000, so I may as well try to double it. And if he doubles it, well, now I'm up 200 grand. Let's go again. And then you lose it all. Those experiences for me are very exciting. I'm not unhappy by any means because I'm addicted to gambling. 5 months ago, I tried to put my car on the bakarat table and they wouldn't let me. It's just funny like it's such an incredible experience in memories because it's crazy. Doing the crazy is what makes life. The hard part is that I think you're young enough where it doesn't matter. You're rewarded for it because if it's on camera, you'll get more followers, more money, and it's a part of your income. So, it makes no difference right now. The problem would be is if if eventually you don't get it under control. Cuz right now, you could easily say like it's working. There's nothing that will make it get under control because I don't have a choice. Like if you have something that is very important to you, like if I if the livelihood of even say my dog was on the line, I'm 100% sure I would stop gambling in the pursuit of ensuring. 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So like realistically that's 100 of what? probably doing like 60 rolins and maybe no maybe like 70 riddins and like 10 to 20. So, holy like were you like drinking alcohol or was it just Yeah. Yeah, we'd be drinking too. How does how does that not like honestly kind of how does that not kill you? Well, exactly. I think it took off 15 years of my life. Like I genuinely think that video but it's like all right that took off 15 years of my life. But the net return on that the the more dangerous part of that endeavor was the steroids. the for somebody that doesn't know much about steroids like half a gram is like what people take and when you're taking three gs you're in like a really bad spot like you better be that's what people like the dudes that are on a stage the 300 lb crazy looking mother that's what they take like three grams so when you mix those two it's a hor horrible for your heart horrible for your cholesterol horrible for your kidneys your liver it's just off but I don't regret it at all cuz I think um well again it made my career pretty much so how much would someone have to pay you to guarantee take a year off your life. Oh, at this point, no amount of dollars. Cuz like a good experience with friends, going on a vacation, that's way more valuable than a good memory is worth 5 million to me or 10 million to me. You know what I mean? Yeah. What wouldn't you do for money? Is Is there like a line you refuse to cross? Um I a lot of things I wouldn't suck it. Well, I mean, maybe if there was How much would you suck it for? Maybe. You're pretty rich, though. Uh no, I mean there's a lot of things I would not do. I mean, there's a lot of things that are like $10 million. I totally suck 100%, dude. Um, but there's certain things that like are morally just no good. Like if you are really crossing the line of human ethics, like I wouldn't somebody you know what I mean? So assuming it doesn't hurt anybody. Oh, it just if it doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, give me an example. I can't think of anything. Would you sell a kidney? That's hurting me. That's hurting me a lot. And I my kidneys are barely working. So, as far as the harm, like if you're if hurting myself is included, there's no nothing that I wouldn't do any harm to my body or other people for any amount of money. What about surgically removing one finger for $10 million? Oh, well, I mean, and you could pick the finger. The [ __ ] You all 10 fingers. Would you do that, Graham? You would 100% do the whole thing? I'm not an athlete. I What do you Every day How many typing would be kind of difficult? Is that worth $10 million for you? 10 million. I wouldn't do it. I don't think I could. I'd cut off my feet for $10 million. Are you kidding me, dude? This is outrageous. Honestly, at a certain point, that is so much money. And your toes are so unimportant. I think I don't really know the human toes that often. Imagine you how many people like hardworking people that deserve money, have kids, but they're just stuck in the loop. You could change a thousand people's lives. I don't know if that math is right, but you know what I mean? How good would that feel to do that for a month? Dre, you're just like changing lives. One finger. You'd have to be to not get rid of one finger and you could potentially save a thousand lives or Plinko. Or Plinko. Why is fitness so important to you? That's where my confidence is rooted. Right. Before fitness, I was a skinny, insecure kid. And then I started going to the gym. Every man needs to go to the gym because it shows you that you are worthy and that you have something going on for you. Because a lot of people don't have anything going on for you. And even though getting more muscles isn't necessarily like super productive, you see that I put in the work. It wasn't easy and I got results. Like it's the most linear work to results thing. And it's very realistic. It takes years to see like really phenomenal results. And so that when a kid is insecure, doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't know what he wants to do, and just feels like, "Ah, I'm a loser. I can't do anything." But then you get jacked and all of a sudden people are like, "Wow, he looks good. I want to look like him." It reinforces the idea or it even just shows you the idea that you can if you show up every day no matter where you started. So then what was the motivation for then going on gear once you felt like you've already developed a pretty decent physique? It just I love everything more like more extreme. It was like, I look good, but I want to be extreme. And the reason I took steroids is cuz that's when I was really broke. And I was pretty desperate. And I was like, I need to get famous. And I was like, what's something that I'm interested in has a large audience of people that really like it, that will like a video, and a large audience of people that dislike it, that are going to make hate comments. Like the perfect storm for going viral. Cuz before I went viral, I would spend hours watching Jake Paul videos with a notebook. Not because I like Jake Paul, because I was like, what is this guy doing? Like, why is it different? Why is Bryce Hall so famous, so relevant still? How did he do this so fast, and he's incredibly successful? You need something that people hate and love and large audiences. And so, what I landed on was steroids. Like, that bigger muscles sounds cool to me and it has the perfect storm. I might as well try it. And uh if it doesn't work out, then it was like it was a good journey to embark on. But in my head, it wasn't that huge of a deal if you took steroids and then stopped taking them because it didn't work out. Have you noticed your personality change at all with taking steroids? My friends say like when I'm on trend, like I've had uh I had to do one deal and there was I had I was hiring like three employees for a brand and they were like in the contract I want there to be a clause where if you're on trend, you can't fire me cuz I guess when I'm on trend it's like it's noticeably more aggressive, more very irrational. But like just testosterone, I feel about the same. Maybe like 20% more confident uh and 20% more driven, but 20%'s not a significant marker in my mind. And what about your diet? What do you do you try to eat? Well, so I eat uh like chicken and rice every day. Like I eat clean. But I saw in one of your videos you were like, "All right, I'm not going to go get Starbucks for breakfast. Instead, I'm going to eat six donuts." And then you go to like Starbucks and you'll get like, you know, 10 espresso shots in one thing with like 10 pumps of That was when I thought I was invincible. Like that was before I understood that death is like a real thing. And like some of my friends have had heart failure and health scares. So it's when you see that you're like, "Okay, I need to make a change." That was pre determining that that was I really thought I could do anything. How did you still stay lean though when you were eating food like that? Was it cardio? The steroids like really. So what do they do? Just like make your body run hot. I don't know how they work. I just put them in my body and the steroids make you skin shredded without I never did cardio. I still never do cardio. I eat clean now so that helps. But you can you go for like a a run and feel fine or n I started swimming for my ankle and I swam down up and down my pool twice and I like thought I was going to drown. I cannot so bad. Well, because when you steroids I do I think don't quote me on this guys I think it makes your cardio worse. Like imagine if you were 35 40% heavier. Your heart is not meant for your genetics to be pumping blood into all like your the carrying oxygen throughout your body is very difficult. So I started out 170 lbs. All of a sudden I'm 230 lbs. That 50 lbs is very hard on your body to like keep up especially in such a short period of time. your heart is just like what the [ __ ] is going on? So if you're not training it via cardio then it's like when I was on a lot of steroids and same with all my bodybuilder friends like you walk up the stairs and you're gassed after 10 steps of stairs so I'm trying to be a little bit better about it and I'm not taking steroids right now. Um what are you taking? Just testosterone which is technically steroid but it's I'm not taking very much of it. Would you say testosterone is like the one if you want like the 8020 rule you want to do like 20% of the effort with 80% results testosterone would be the one. Oh, 100% testosterone. Well, you have to take testosterone. You can't take other steroids unless you're taking testosterone because other steroids make your body stop producing testosterone. All steroids make your body stop producing testosterone for the most part. So, you have to start with that. Does getting jacked help you with girls? I don't think girls care. Um, but it helps with your confidence like I talked about earlier. So, that's where like that goes a long ways in getting girls, but girls don't care what you look like. Top five things that girls care about. Um, can you make them laugh? How does the room treat you? Like, do people respect you? Are you confident? And then like, I don't know. What else would I imagine girls care about? What do girls care about? Well, she doesn't know, dude. Because, have you ever asked a fish how to catch a goddamn fish? Dude, right before this, we we filmed we filmed with a dating coach. It was a female dating coach uh that coaches like men on how to That's the biggest scam of all time, dude. That's so funny because that's like what a lot of the comments on our podcast. never gotten laid by a girl, bro. Like, she's never gotten a girl. How are you going to coach me? I feel like her advice was pretty sound. It was sound for a dude I feel like in his 30s who wants a relationship. It It's very tailored. If you go like down the psychological uh rabbit hole, like surface level, you might get more girls with these basic ideas, but when you're like really trying to attract a lot of women, like if you guys know who John Zurka is, really intelligent as far as psychology goes, and his whole thing is like teaching men how to get girls. And if any girl looked at that advice, they would be like, "This is disgusting and also not how you would get a girl." But very effective for So like what is the psychology of it? Well, like a lot of girls would be like, "Oh, you have to be like generally speaking, oh you have to like show that you care and like you know be like gen like a gentleman nice." No girl wants especially in my age like no girl wants to feel like a guy is fully committed to them. No girl wants you to be like head over heels in love with them even though that's what they think they want. They want to always have somewhat of a chase. Like let me get more, let me get more, let me get more. In terms of like the magnetism, that makes sense. But in terms of like the girl being happy, like I I don't I feel like it'd be difficult to if you get like further if you get like if we're talking relationships as far as like a healthy relationship, then you adapt. But to initially attract these women, like you have to use like certain um methods and idea that are a net negative for the woman's mental health or whatever and like they're not going to be as happy, but that's how you attract them. You've also previously said that weed you believe is the worst drug you could put in your body. Why not? Yeah, cuz it makes you happy doing nothing, right? Like the problem with weed is it makes you so content with not doing anything. like any other drug that you put in your body, you want to even something like ecstasy, at least you want to go out and talk to people, have sex, whatever, which is ecstasy might not be the best, but weed is the only drug that doesn't really have a hangover. You can do every day and strips your body of your thoughts. People say it makes you more creative. But the only reason it makes you more creative is because it makes you content sitting there doing nothing. If you were not baked and you were sitting there doing nothing, you would be 10 times more creative. The ptheads think it makes them creative because it forces you into a state of meditation. Whereas if you could do that sober, your thoughts would be a million times more creative than the baked ones. But people are just confused because they don't meditate. They don't think, but weed makes you happy doing nothing. So it forces you into that um mindset even though you're intoxicated and your thoughts are not clear. They're not as good. If you're going to do any drugs like is better than like said cuz it's not going to kill you. Like the drugs can like kill you but in the sense of your mentality and your success will make you chronically unsuccessful. Obviously there's outliers like Snoop Dog very successful person but for 99% of people it's very very unproductive. A few months ago you took what you thought was but it was like laced with meth. I don't really know what had in it cuz I was also doing cocaine and I overdosed because I took like I took a gram and a half of so a gram and a half. Yeah, I think it was 37 pills of 30 milligrams that were not real. Well, they were real but they were, you know, made in a lab. And and how long of a time span is that? Um I don't know. Oh, I think I was awake for I think I was on hour like 40 of being awake when I had to go to the hospital. Okay. Well, what did they do at the hospital? I don't remember. She was there. They just gave me some that uh like turn your cuz I was like seizing. So, they just give you that like shut off your brain and like relax your body or whatever. So, that cuz their main concern was that my heart I was going to have a heart attack cuz you're having these seizures. Your heart's my heart rate's at like whatever 190. The main concern is that your heart's just going to explode in that moment. So I think just by dropping your heart rate giving you I don't know what they put in. Do you remember seizing like what that felt like agonizing the most painful thing I broken bones but it was well I guess if you think of the idea of like banging your hand on the table your body sends a symbol like oh that hurt because there's a little bit of damage. Imagine every inch of your body is effectively failing. It was head to toe the worst pain I've ever felt for hours. I had I don't know like what the definition of PTSD is, but I like I get panic attacks from sometimes like I'll be sitting there and I'll feel like cuz there's a distinct feeling that I felt right before it happened and something will feel like a little similar and I'll be sitting there and I start freaking out. I have uh I get um what's it called? uh sleep paralysis that I I'm laying there and I think I'm dying again or like having a seizure very frequently. I don't know how you define traumatizing, but it very frequently comes up in my everyday life. It's less and less now that I it am so scared of something that painful happening to me again that I frequently panic about it. when you were like lying there and did did you did you think that you could die in that moment or did you I thought there was like a 50% chance I was going I was sitting there thinking what were those thoughts like well it's hard to have good clear thoughts when you're in so much pain but I just remember thinking like I cannot believe I sacrificed my potential because my potential whatever you go every day you're living you die your fears or your dreams and if I died today I would be at 10% of my potential so that is by definition my fears not reaching my full potential. So I was sitting there, I was so mad at myself that I let myself slip up in like the whatever lapse of judgment and take this many where I was just so sad and angry at myself that I'll never get to see what I could have been. And then the second half was it I was extremely um angry at myself that my mother would have to live through the the Versan because that's like the worst thing a person could experience in as far as I could imagine. So, it was um just regret. Nothing but regret when I thought I was dying. Just like I cannot believe this. I cannot believe I [ __ ] up this bad. Do you think that resulted in any like long-term permanent change in your behavior or do you think that like you slipped back to old habits after some time had passed? I probably take 80% less drugs, 90% less drugs after that. Well, I guess I have that was like the most ever taken. But now that would like really inspired my I need to get healthy. I need to take care of my body. I'm I am scared of that was the moment it changed. That's when I realized I don't want to I can die. I'm not invincible cuz I thought I was invincible and now I'm try and treat my body with more respect now. For sure. What about the influence you have on other people who watch you and maybe some of these things are glamorized of gambling and and doing like you do it. And it's not like I hide anything, right? I post my blood work when I was taking a ton of steroids. people see my blood work see that oh hey his liver is like functioning at 20% or whatever uh oh he overdosed he's in a hospital he almost died if I wasn't showing the full story then there's maybe that's not a great influence but if you watch me and my content there's no part of the consequences that I hide so you can see the lifestyle I choose and you can take it with I should or should not do that based on he gets this fun experience But then also he struggles with like if you watch my content you can see that there's demons there and he struggles with what like clearly a ton of addiction problems but that's kind of like what comes with the lifestyle. So I think it's if anything more informative that people get to see like truly the full story of like the rockstar lifestyle. What are the demons? It's mostly the push and pull of I want to be happy, healthy, live a 100 years, and then it just takes one lapse and then all of a sudden I'm doing a ton of bugs and like doing things that cuz I am scared of dying and I will continuously embark on habits that are like would kill you. That's my biggest um push and pull in life. Like my biggest struggles for sure. And what about having a positive impact on people who watch your videos? How do you balance that or do you does it matter? I I just hope that everybody that watches my videos laughs like the goal is to make somebody smile. I get um a lot of backlash and a lot of like support comments and the my most the comments that I love the most is like oh like I'm really stressed out about this or this isn't going well in my life. But thank you for posting this video cuz it lets me forget about my problems for 1 hour for 2 hours. for two hours. I get to escape my reality and just have a good time and laugh. And I also do like like if you've seen any of the book of Togei, that's my next video is the whole togei talks book of Togei in one video. All my ideas that I hold highly in my head about believing in yourself and becoming a better man. I think everybody can do incredible things and 90% of men think they're destin destined for way less than what they can accomplish. So, I really just try and push the idea and try and inspire people to take the leap of faith and embark on what you know you truly should be doing. The biggest risk is not taking the risk. Cuz if you never take the risk and do what you love, you're going to spend your whole life and it seems safe. You go to college, you have a job, and that's what they tell you is safe, but that's the death of you and that's the death of your soul. And it kills me to see my friends going through that every day. They graduate college and they immediately start like the world would devour your personality and soul if you're going on the path that they tell you to like listen to your own path. So the idea is that I I want people to do what they love and be inspired and laugh. Do you ever feel like you have to play up to certain standards and expectations of the viewers and that you have to like overcompensate because you know of the the demand of the YouTube algorithm? Do you feel like you know Shane ever gets like lost in toi or do you think these are somewhat synonymous? Well, it's pretty clear like you'll have a conversation with me and you'll see like pretty mellow like you thought I was going to come in and start breaking, right? Like I would start breaking if I was on or whatever, but Togei is just Shane, but 20% more exciting, 20% more daring. I'm willing to buy the fake watches because like if I there was no camera, I would have not pulled the trigger on those watches, but in my head, I still thought it was a good idea. And all all successful influencers do that. Like you really think speed is barking at people all the time. like he probably wants to in his head cuz he's crazy as [ __ ] but he doesn't bark at people when there's no camera cuz that's justing weird. But when there's a camera, he's barking doing all this crazy stuff. So that's kind of like what you have to do. Um and when you even when you see an intro of what is up guys, welcome to this vlog. So like I feel very authentic to myself, but I just when the camera's on in a nonpodcast sense, it's just like all right, let's level it up 20%. You know, it's interesting. The only person that I've met who's the exact same on camera. Like no difference whatsoever is Danny Duncan. I met him for the first time the other day. He doesn't play anything up even when the camera's not on. Same as Dax Flame. He's still Yeah. Dax too. But he's still just like himself camera or not. Yeah. Some people are just blessed with they were truly truly truly meant to be famous. Like that you as a person is just perfect for the camera, perfect for all this. But for me, I found more success in being I found great success in being like totally totally mellow Shane, but I found like a little bit it it helps the algorithm to be a little more crazy, a little more aggressive. So, yeah. Do you ever censor yourself? Yeah, I I don't talk about a lot of things because for example, talking about sexual things and women, YouTube, you can't do any of that. it will get banned immediately if I have like I used to do like streams with girls in a hot tub. Can't do any of that. Don't do I'm not racist, but I think like racist jokes are funny. You can't make those on YouTube because a lot of people don't get the joke. The algorith or the whatever censoring bots don't get that it's a joke. So, I censor myself much more heavily than my I like I'd say my videos would be twice as funny to me at least if I could be truly myself. But my lifestyle is so explicit that I would say every video roughly 90% of the footage doesn't get to go in the video because it has to be censored. What about like a toy uncensored? I've thought about doing that. Yeah. If you put that behind a pay wall. Oh my god. I hate the idea of um Well, I I'm just so busy putting out YouTube that if I like, okay, we also now are going to post the uncensored version. I that I would effectively be reducing my productivity by whatever uh 50% and then is like is the ROI for me personally like I would I have uncensored uh stuff that's unedited that I enjoy watching myself that I think is funnier but to put it behind or like some random website. It just feels like the ROI of putting out another censored YouTube video grows my brand so much more than putting I don't know like having a toy uncensored website. But it's something that when I have more free time, I would like to drop like crazy like all of the footage um of like my whole career, like the craziest [ __ ] sometime. But for now, the growth has been so perfect that I don't feel like I want to embark on that. Do you have any regrets where you wish you could go and tell your younger self like some advice or don't do that? No, I think my life is uh as blessed as and perfect as I could ask for. Like obviously the things could be better but nothing is perfect and that's why things are amazing and every mistake that I've ever made has made me the person that I am today. So and I wouldn't trade my life for any person. Like if you could be would you swap your life for this person. I wouldn't cuz I'm doing what I love. I'm doing what Togei does. This is Togei. So no I can confidently say that I as of now have no regrets. What would you say is your biggest insecurity? Oh that's a good question. My biggest insecurity I I became famous in like show like where like dude even just like these watches like it's to get attention and like I think deep down that kid that in high school cuz I wasn't popular in high school like nobody like I wouldn't get invited place nobody really liked me that much and I think that like had rooted something inside of me that it's like I don't want to be forgotten about. I don't want to die and nobody shows up to the funeral. I I don't want to not have a name. And some people say that's like egotistical maybe, but I think it more comes from a place of insecurity. That kid always got forgotten, unnoticed. And so that's why I'm so aggressive on like that's why I part of the reason whether I'd like to admit it or not, that's why I want to be famous is because I was so insecure about that exact thing. The only thing I'd like to get across, at least from my perspective, since we are mostly like a financebased podcast, I would love to see you take 20% of every dollar that goes in your account, 20% and stash it away in a fund that someone else manages that you don't have access to. Every time we do this, Hold on. Every time we do this, the audience, they say, "No, but Graham, you shouldn't try to control these people's lives and dictate." We've we've ran into this quite a few times. who's done a great job at this is Steve will do it. His mother runs his bank account and he doesn't even know how much is in that bank account and that that would be great if my mom just had a bank account and it's like okay here's cuz then I could forget about it if I have full control over money. So that is something I'm working towards is I'm telling you paying someone for my mom pay someone 60 to 80 grand a year just to control how much money goes in your account. That's all it is. So all the money funnels into one account they disperse it to you. That's it. And they keep 20%. great idea, but I've just I'm just lazy. Like at the end I should, but every time I'm like, "Okay, like what's on the list of priorities today?" I wake up and that's it on the pin board, but making a YouTube video is always number one. So, so much of my life gets neglected because make a YouTube video and then all of a sudden I spent 10 hours making a YouTube video that day and then I kind of just forget. That'll be your biggest ROI. You'll see it 10 years from now. You'll be like, "Holy, there's $10 million. there's $10 million in the account and I had no idea. And they're going to say, "Well, great. Now it's in a trust and it's going to give you x amount every single month." Yeah, that idea is correct. It just gets forgotten about cuz it's boring. Like fundamentally, it's responsible. That's what it is. Things that are responsible and boring to me. Like it for some reason, I just don't think about it too often. I don't know if it's cuz I'm young, but I just don't really Why can't you shift your mindset to think that's cool? It's cool to like save a little money. I think what is cool is you think saving money is cool. I think tremble alone is cool. Nobody thought trend was cool until I thought it was cool and then I was like, "Oh, wait, hold on, guys. This is a pretty cool thing." You could still You could still do it just with 80% of it instead of 100% of it. No, but the idea of Yeah. I I do I don't know. I don't know why I think the way I do. I I I just Would you would you take my suggestion to heart and maybe like look into it or no? I mean, I could say yes to your face, but after I'm going to go home and nothing is going to change because here's the thing is like you're leading me to water, but yeah, you can't make me drink. And I even though I know I should, that's just part of like admitting my flaws as a human is like there's just no way that's going to happen. How about this? You have my number. I'm I'm a text away. if I could ever help you at some point in the future. Okay, I appreciate that. The doors open for as long as you want it. Eventually I something will happen that wakes me up and it's like, holy, I should have been saving that whole time. And so there's probably going to be a phase of devastation in my life. I could imagine which I'm prepared for and I'm excited about. And then after that, maybe it's like, okay, let's get the building blocks correct. Listen, even if it's 5 years from now and you shoot a text be like, hey man, it's here. I'm down bad right now. Please, can I borrow 50? Flinko's hot tonight. Oh my god. Now that I got your number and you're super wealthy, you might be getting calls. I mean, I need like 10. It happens frequently where I wake up the next day from being really drunk and I called about 30 people on my phone number and asking for like hundred something,000. I wouldn't I wouldn't do that. How how much cash do you have? I would consider it. I saw you paid back with pretty good interest to one of your friends. You know what? I always pay back I I always make it a priority to pay people back with at least like I give them at least 20% every time just cuz it's like, "Oh, that was really nice of you to give me money when I was drunk gambling." I don't think the money is important whatsoever. I think the main thing is just that you're safe. I like you're I think you're a really cool, super nice guy. You didn't come in here and snap down to earth like Graham. Yeah. You're just like a normal watching your videos so over the top. Yeah. I'm a regular dude and that's why it's incredible. Like that's why I think it's uh I I think I'm the most average person ever, but I operate at such an above average level. And that's why it's like I think everyone can do this. Everyone can. Everybody It gets me so excited thinking that everyone and anyone can do everything they want cuz I did and I'm literally like I know better than anybody. How much cash do you have on you right now? Like physically? Yeah. I think there's 20,000 in the car. Really? Yeah. And check for 100 to the casino. Oh, wow. I was about to say if you want to do a coin flip. Coin flip a watch. No. Um I mean, yeah, we can do a coin flip. Do you cash love? $10,000 coin flip. No, I wouldn't do I wouldn't do 10 grand. You're so rich, dude. You have 10. Are you worth over $50 million? No. No, I'm not. No. No. It's a pretty nice house. Do you own this house all the way? No, I have a mortgage. Oh, cuz you're all smart about it. But you could own it if you wanted. Yeah, I could own it if I wanted to. Probably the most I would do on a coin flip is probably a grand and that and that for me is crazy. Realistically, I do 100 bucks. Do you ever gamble? Rare. 200 bucks. Yeah. My my max is like 200 because if I lose more than that, I get upset. And if I double, it's just like, okay, fine. I double because that's what that's just the difference. You think saving is cool, which is cool that you think that's cool. I don't think it's necessarily cool, but that's what gets you excited. Like I'm sure watch like I'm sure you get the same amount of dopamine that I get winning crazy gambling as like you see over the year the S&P grew your account that much. I'm sure the dopamine if I'm up 5% in a year. Yes. That's awesome. So that's great dude. Whatever is floating your boat I can totally respect that. All right cool. Well we have some rapid fire questions. So we're just going to end on these. Would you rather give up steroids forever or give up gambling forever? Oh dude. That's These are supposed to be rapid. That's one of the hardest question. That's the hardest question I think anyone has ever asked me in my whole life. Pro. Okay, here's the problem. Probably steroids because um I'm physically dependent on them. So, steroids. Physique versus money. Win Mr. Olympia once but go broke or win $10 million in gambling. Oh, $10 million. But you can never lift weights again. $10 million gambling. 100%, dude. You can never lift weights again. Well, okay. Can I like exercise? Like can I just can't lift a weight? I can do like calisthenics and like workout because I go crazy trying to do calisthenics with Larry. Dude, it's hard. That is so under like I I looked like a I think calisthenics physi physiques are like the best looking. I have no problem looking like that. So if I can do calisthenics, I'll take 10 million. If there was a magic steroid with zero health consequences that guaranteed you the body of your dreams but took 10 years off your life, would you take it? I think that's kind of what I've effectively done. Like I've probably taken off 10 years of my life and I have the body of my dreams. So I Yes, I would take it and I think I have. You have an 18-year-old son that says, "Dad, I want to do a cycle just like you did." Do you help him do it safely or do you talk him out of it? I I talk him out of it. I I would be cool with my kid taking steroids if he's 21. You wake up tomorrow and all gambling is banned worldwide and serious and steroids vanish from the earth. What's the first thing you do for adrenaline? I'd probably myself. What's more addicting for you? The dopamine rush from a huge jackpot win or the pump from a crazy heavy gym session while on gear? Oh, the pump while you're on gear. It's incredible. The best feeling a person could feel. What does it feel like? Well, so have you ever gotten you go workout and you feel incredible. Your muscles are tight. They feel good. It's like if that pump could get five more pumps. Like you are always walking around baseline pumped and then it's like you go to the gym and then your workout could get a workout. The dopamine is unreal. If you could go on a crazy weekend bender with any celebrity or influencer, who would you choose to party with? Jack, you got to read these off a little bit. Dude, I'm like I've had I've had such a long day. This is the second podcast we've had, dude. All right, let me take over. Any influencer I could go on a crazy bender with. Dead or alive. It could be anybody. Probably uh the Rizzler. You guys know that kid, of course. Yeah, that would be crazy. What's your favorite casino game of all time and favorite steroid compound of all time? One ad buys injectable super draw. Who wins in a fight? You on one gram of test or three Greg Ducets in tank tops? I could probably kill seven Greg eight Greg Ducets if I was on a gram of testosterone. Could Natty Sam Sull outlift Togi on a come down? Yeah, Sam Sulick would get me on that one. If you'd be open to this. Yeah. If we each put in a hundred bucks and we just $100. Yeah. Cuz I figured you would be in on this. He would be so disinterested. No, no. I'm excited if you guys are excited. But but here's what we would do is just I would do a random number generator on my phone. One through three. One, two, and three. And whatever it lands on wins the whole prize pot. Oh yeah, let's do it. Sure. What's the most you would do, Jack? 200. I don't know what what's the right number. I would do 200 bucks. Like that way if I lose it, I'm not going to be upset. Yeah. I mean, I just hope it goes to to Shane if it goes to anybody. Oh, yeah. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. I have 200. I have cash. Cash. Do you want me to Do you want me to grab some I have cash, too? No. No. We got some. How about this? You put hypothetical 600 here so I don't have to go to the bedroom, grab cash, but I'll get cash for the Is it bad luck that I'm not putting my own cash in there? I feel like it's There's no such thing as luck, Graham. Are you Are you superstitious? No. At all? No. No. So, I feel like it's bad luck if you put money in that I'm not putting it in. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Grab grab your money. Let's find out if it's bad luck. I don't want to find out. He wants to win. Go get the money. All right. Just give me a sec. Oh, yeah. Here we go. Random number. All right. Let's go. Here's your 200. Make sure it's not prop money. I'm really excited about this. I love this. So, here's the thing. So, I love betting between friends because that way if I lose it, I know one of you has it. You know what? I like that because you said that I'm happy if you win too, Graham. Just a little less happy than if if Shane. All right. So, who wants to be one? I'll let you guys pick. Oh, I want three. 100%. Take two. All right. So, I'm number one. Do you want to screen record? Yeah, sure. Give me three. All right. I'm one. This is awesome. This is it. Oh my god. Yes. Okay. It was his idea. This is a scam. You knew what he like you would do. Let me see if that's there. What's the most you would do? And he's now it's two. All right. Good game. Well played. Congratulations. There we go. So, how is that dopamine compared to watching your stock market money grow? How was this dopamine you just felt? It's a 10. Let's go. That's awesome. But but here's the thing. If if I lost the 200 bucks, I would I would feel so bad that I would stop. Like I wouldn't go beyond that. I will say for some reason losing hurts more than winning feels good. There's something about losing money where it's just like oh my god. Like devastation. Any amount of money losing and then winning like I think winning a h 100,000 feels as good as how bad losing 50,000 feels. Does that make sense? That makes sense. 2:1 ratio. I think they actually did studies that loss is twice as worse as the gain. Oh, that is the It is true. So, yeah, if you lost 100 Yeah. So, you would have to win $200,000 for every 100,000 loss to feel that same Yeah. feeling, whatever it might be, or to overcome that. 100%. I believe that. Well, this was successful. Yeah. Guys, thank you so much for watching. Toi, thanks for coming on the show. Togei is very cool, but abusing drugs and abusing gambling is not. So, we'll all take that into consideration. It's also really cool to subscribe and hit the like. It's also really cool to subscribe and hit the like button. Shane is cool. Liv is cool. And also, also, if you guys want to see the uncensored episode where we don't bleep certain words and we keep more in Guess what we have, huh? A payw wall, baby. Oh, that's why you So, we So, we have a membership because our episodes sometimes get shadowbanned and so we have to cut so much like a lot of your words will bleep them. Yeah. And so, saying them, I was like, "Oh, I'm sorry for your editor." Because I I've We have two versions. And then I'm every time I say I'm like, "Dude, stop swearing so much. This is ridiculous how you get age restricted." We have two versions. So, if you want to see the uncensored versions of this episode in every episode afterwards, and you get early access to it. There is a membership if you'd like to join. If not, nothing changes. Uh, but if you want early access, uncensored, without any cuts or anything, it's there. Cool. Dope, guys. Thank you so much. That was so enjoyable. Yeah, that was Thank you guys so much.
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