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and grow in God's kingdom. Just before I

start off with your questions, I want to

I I wrote a a status on X last night and

this was the question that I asked said,

"For those who love to call Mary the

mother of God, are they also willing to

call Joseph the father of God?"

What do and what do you think? Because

like obviously technically it's true

because Jesus is God and Mary was the

mother of Jesus. Therefore, you can

technically call Mary the mother of God.

But it's confusing for a lot of people

because it makes people think what God

the father she's the mother of or you

know it can be confusing in that sense.

And so I asked the question is it okay

to call Joseph the father of God? And I

got mixed responses from different

people saying no you can't say that.

That's going to be confusing for people.

It's going to make people think that

Joseph is the father of God the father.

Ah okay. Hey, well, wouldn't that be

something that would happen if you call

her mother of God? Couldn't people think

the same thing?

Uh, you had I had Redeem Zuma respond to

me by saying, "Oh, yes, of course you

can call Joseph the father of God." And

you you can also call St. Anne the

grandmother of God.

Now, first of all, St. Anne Anne is not

mentioned in the Bible as being a

grandmother of Jesus Christ. If you look

at the genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke

3, you don't see an there. That would

came from the proto evangelium of James

which was uh not from the Bible. That

came after it was not written by James.

Fraudulent document. They get the name

Anne or Anna there.

Now we do have the genealogies of ma

Mary and Joseph in Matthew 1 and Luke 3.

But would it be helpful to call Healey

the grandfather of God? Probably not,

right? That wouldn't be helpful.

And I even then asked this question. I

pose this question. Jesus said,

you know, um, who is my mother? Who are

my brothers? The one who does the will

of my father is my mother and, uh,

brother and sister. So would it be

helpful for a believer today to to call

themselves the mother of God?

I don't think that would be helpful that

if anything at best it's going to be confusing.

confusing.

And so couldn't that same logic be

applied to when people love to call Mary

the mother of God? It's confusing for a

lot of people. While technically true,

it's confusing. And that's why I always

aim for clarity. And that was the aim of

the Apostle Paul as well. clarity in

what he presented.

Have a look.

Paul's asked for prayer. He says, "At

the same time, pray also for us that God

may open to us a door for the word to

declare the mystery of Christ on account

of which I am in prison that I may make

it clear which is how I ought to speak."

Right? So Paul was

um concerned about clarity particularly

in obviously the presenting of the

gospel. But this is in this would be in

all forms of whenever you're teaching,

whenever you're proclaiming truth about

scripture, let it be clear uh and not

confusing for people would be what I'd say.

say.

All right. Uh let's go to your

questions. Uh and by the way, also I

want to give you a heads up. I So after

the debate with Noah, Noah has said, "Oh

yeah, he'd love to do another debate

with me on one of the Marian dogmas."

um particularly the sinlessness of Mary.

And so I said, "Okay, um we could

probably do that maybe in early December

or something like that if it's if it

suits him on this this phrasing."

The phrase, the debate would be

the Bible, he'd be affirmative, I'd be

negative. The the topic would be the

Bible teaches that Mary has always been sinless.

sinless.

And so that's what uh I've proposed that

debate topic to him at that wording. And

so I haven't heard back from just yet,

but I think he's probably going to be

willing to do that. And so that may

happen in early December.

How could you even support that though?

How could you support that? The Bible

teaches that Mary's always been sinless.

There's nothing in the Bible that even

indicates that. Not even gives an

illusion to it.

probably they might try to say, "Oh,

she's like the new Eve or she's the ark

of the covenant." Which is just not even

true. She's not described as the ark of

the covenant. If anything, you could say

Jesus is the ark of the new arc of the

covenant, but not Mary because Mary's

not God. Yeah.

Yeah.

And even as Corey says, Mary says she

has a savior. Yeah. Luke 1:47,

"I rejoice in God my savior."

All right, here we go. question from

uh Hiv who's asked, "Hey bro Ryan, can

you please explain John 14:12? Can we do

this?" All right, let's have a look.

John 14:12. Truly, truly I say to you,

whoever believes in me will also do the

works that I do, and greater works than

these will he do because I'm going to

the father.

Okay. So, greater works than these. Now,

greater in what sense? greater in

individual actions or greater in extent.

Jesus was one man living in the land of

Israel and he did amazing actions. I

don't think anyone would ever surpass

the works of Jesus Christ. He made

atonement for sins.

No one none of us can do the same. So

therefore, no one is going to surpass

Jesus in any of his actions that he did

while he was here. But it mustn't then

mean greater in power. It must mean

greater in extent. He's one man and

collectively as as believers we're many

people and we can reach than all the

different parts of the world. Reaching

more places where Jesus didn't go to.

And so that's what he's saying. Greater

works in these you do. So greater in

extent not greater in individual action.

Next one from Warrick is 1 Corinthians

16:1 and2 descriptive or prescriptive

now concerning the collection for the

saints as I directed the churches of

Galatia. So you also are to do. On the

first day of every week, each of you is

to put something aside and store it up

as he may prosper so there be no

collecting when I come. This is Paul

giving some instructions to the

Corinthian church about this specific

collection. Now what was this specific

collection? Paul had asked them to give

relief to the churches that were in

Jerusalem. Why? Because there was a

famine in Jerusalem.

And so he asked that if the churches in

these other regions of the Roman Empire

could help the saints that were in

Jerusalem. Paul speaks about this in

Romans 15 as well.

I'll bring it up for you guys. It says here,

here,

"At present, however, I'm going to

Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints."

So, it's great poverty happening, famine

happening in Jerusalem. They needed aid.

And there wasn't really government

support at that time. So, therefore, the

saints had to raise up some money and

some aid to help them out. And it says,

"For Macedonia and Aaya have been

pleased to make some some contribution

for the poor among the saints at

Jerusalem." Lots of poor who in who were

in the church in Jerusalem.

Yeah. And so then once he delivers that,

he's going to go on to Spain after going

and visiting Rome. So this is just the

instructions. He's saying, "Look, I

don't want to have to try and get this

gift. I've asked you guys, can you give

to Jerusalem church? And so when I go or

when I come, make sure you've got it all

ready so that I don't have to be trying

to ask everyone at that time. He wants

them just to have it ready so that he

can just they can just give it to Paul

and Paul can carry it to Jerusalem and

give them some aid. So that seems to be

for that unique period of time.

That's unique. not giving an alltime

description that

that always you need to give to the

saints in Jerusalem or that you can't

you must collect only on a Sunday the

first day of the week and not other

days. Yeah, it's not giving any sort of

prescription regards to that.

All right. Uh next one from Daniel.

What's the best apologetics to use

against a Muslim? The gospel. Preach the

gospel to him. Show him the deficiency

of workspace salvation. Show him how

good works don't pay for bad works. Give

examples of how in a court of law that

would never work. I always want to start

here because this is the key message you

want to communicate with a Muslim.

There's other things you can communicate

too. But if you go and talk about all

those other things, but you miss the

central message of Jesus Christ and him

crucified, you've not eternally helped

that Muslim in a way that's going to

even possibly save his soul. because the

gospel is the power of God for

salvation, not them learning about

Muhammad being a bad person. Now, I'm

not saying you can't talk about that.

That can be absolutely something you

talk about and that can be a helpful

argument, but only if you couple it with

the gospel. Gospel is key. You know,

when Paul went and preached Jesus Christ

and him crucified, his focus wasn't on

how bad all the pagan deities are. His

focus was on preaching Jesus. Now, he

still did mention like, look, God

doesn't dwell in temples made by hands.

This statue here, look, he did make some

mention to it, but that wasn't his

focus. It was Jesus. It was Jesus. So,

in 1 Corinthians chapter 2

verse 2, he says, "I decided to know

nothing among you except Jesus Christ

and him crucified." So, he had a central

focus on preaching Jesus.

So, focus that, focus on that. show the

deficiency of a worksbased salvation.

How it doesn't save you, doesn't satisfy

justice. How is justice satisfied if

your sins are just overlooked by Allah.

You can also show how in the Quran it

mentions how every Muslim is going to go

to hell even for a limited amount of

time, but still every Muslim will go to

hell. And you can ask them, why would

you want to believe in a religion where

you're guaranteed going to hell, 100%

guaranteed going to hell for any amount

of time? That's not a religion you

really want to follow.

Um and and so it makes sense that

actually you want a religion that's

going to save you from hell, prevent you

from having to go there. The only one

that does is Christianity. When you got

a savior who dies for you, then you can

obviously talk about why why should you

trust Muhammad? Ask them why do you

trust Muhammad? How do you know he's

really a prophet of God? Muslims have

zero answer to that.

They just stumble around. They have no

idea. And then you can say, look, the

fact that you have no good reason to

trust Muhammad should make you think

maybe I shouldn't trust him, but there's

plenty of good reason why we should

trust Jesus. And so compare the

deficiency of Muhammad to the

amazingness of Jesus and how he's proven

himself by his miracles. He's consistent

with the earlier prophets and also his

behavior is flawless.

This one from the lesser. Have you ever

had a conversation with someone from the

Church of Christ? Uh yes, I have on

viewer chats as well. And unfortunately,

yeah, they do hold to a worksbased

message of salvation. They think that

baptism is the way for you to be saved.

And unfortunately, that is works based

salvation. And so, yeah,

yeah,

I show them how salvation is truly by

grace through faith. And just like I did

in the debate the other day I had I

showed the sufficiency of faith.

Church of Christ are going to say that

faith is insufficient to save. You need

something extra.

For Roman Catholics it's keeping the

commandments. For church of Christ it's baptism.

baptism.

And so then you can just show how no no

that woman in the city in Luke 7:50

Jesus says your sins are forgiven. your

faith has saved you. She didn't get

baptized. She didn't keep the

commandments. She had faith and she was forgiven.

forgiven.

So, show that's what I do. Um, show

those sort of passages like I brought up

in the debate. Show them Romans 4:5,

Romans 4:6, and if God's willing, then

God can soften their heart and bring

them to himself. A super chat that came

in from Patrick. Thanks so much,

Patrick, for sending in your super chat today.

>> Pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace

peace

along with those who call on the Lord

from a pure heart.

>> Patrick says, "Is being convinced that

you yourself will go to heaven 100% part

of having saving faith? I don't get how

a person can go from not believing to

believing if that is the case.

Okay, maybe think of it this way. If I

say to you that I'm going to bring

dinner over to your place tonight at 6:00

6:00 and

and

you're like, uh, I don't know if he

really will. I'm only 50% sure he will.

I'm not really sure if Ryan's going to

drop off that dinner as he promised.

Well, then you're not trusting me. See

that? That would not be trusting me.

Trusting me is like, "Yeah, I am fully convinced

convinced

that he will drop off that dinner as he

said he would." That's having faith in

me. And so that's also what's having

faith in God, in Christ, and his

promises. All right? God has promised

you will not perish. You will have

eternal life if you're believing in

Christ because he's paid the price for

all of your sins. And so therefore, if

you're like, "Yeah, I don't know if I'm

really going to heaven. Probably not."

Then you're not trusting in Jesus.

Trusting in Jesus will be um fully

convinced that he'll live up to his

promises and therefore I'm going to go

to heaven. Because when I ask people,

"How sure are you going to heaven?" They

say 50%. I say, "Okay, why 50% not

sure?" Well, because I sin too much or I

don't do enough good deeds. So what are

they relying upon to get them into

heaven? their lack of sinning and them

doing extra good deeds. So, not relying

on Christ to get them there. Now, can

Christians ever have thoughts that pop

up in their mind where they're like

doubtful thoughts? Sure. But that still

doesn't change their them being fully

convinced that Christ will live up to

his promise. Now, why do I say fully

convinced? Because that's the language

that Paul uses in Romans 4:21.

Speaking about Abraham here, it says

Abraham was fully convinced that God is

able to do what he had promised. Fully

convinced, not partially, maybe. You

might do it, God. I'll find out. That's

not that's not faith. He was fully

convinced. When God says, "You'll have a

son. You'll have as many offspring as

the stars of the sky." That very

instant, he was fully convinced. And

have a look at the next verse. That is

why his faith was counted to him as

righteousness. So why was his faith

count to him as righteousness? because

he was fully convinced.

He didn't waver. He didn't think, "I

don't know if I can trust God." He

trusted him. And God counted that faith

to him as righteousness. And so, same

with us. If we trust God's promises and

what he's done to save us, we'll have

eternal life. So, how do you go from not

believing to believing? Well, you just

hear this message and you say, "I want

that. I want Jesus to die for me. I want

to go to heaven to be with my Lord. And

so I'm trusting now that I am going to

heaven because he took that punishment

All right, this one from Raphael. Is God

really pleased with the punishment of

the wicked? Psalm 16:4, Romans 9:22,

Ezekiel 18:32, and Lamentations 3:33.

Wow, a few passages there.

So bring up maybe just maybe a couple of them.

them.

Uh oh, Proverbs. That was Proverbs, not

Psalms. Proverbs 16:4.

The Lord has made everything for its

purpose, even the wicked for the day of

trouble. Yeah. So, the Lord has a

purpose for everything. Every human

being has a purpose. You'll either be a

vessel of honor or a vessel of dishonor.

You'll either be one that God has

prepared for glory or for destruction.

What if God desiring to show his wrath?

Yeah. God desires to show wrath, pour

out judgment upon people, and to make

known his power, has endured with much

patience vessels of wrath prepared for

destruction. Right? So, he wants to show

wrath because then he gets to show how

just he is. He gets to showcase his

glory to us Christians. We can say,

"Wow, God, you're so amazingly just that

you're punishing the wicked. Praise be

to you, God." You realize that for all

eternity, we're going to be praising God

in heaven that he's pouring out his

wrath upon those in hell. Now, you might

say, "Wow, that's that's hard for me to

understand that." In heaven, you'll have

a sanctified mind perfectly. So, you'll

see it from God's perspective there. And

you'll see, yeah, those in hell hate

God. They're getting what they deserve,

and rightly so. So, you'll praise God

for his justice. But you also then

praise God for his mercy that he's shown

to you in order to make known the riches

of his glory for vessels of mercy, which

he's prepared beforehand for glory. If

there was no punishment for sin, then

there's no need for mercy. So God allows

sin to happen. People choose to sin. God

has great wrath and that gives God

opportunity to show mercy to those whom

I was thinking about this uh in the

topic, you know, the topic of was Mary

always sinless.

They try and say, "Oh, look, God

protected Mary from sin." Which is just

doesn't say that in scripture.

But that would mean Mary's in heaven

without the cross.

That means she did not need the cross if

that if their logic is true that she

wasn't a sinner. So then

the cross wasn't needed for her. But

isn't the whole point of scripture that

the cross is needed for every human

being because we're all sinners. We all

need the savior Jesus. But for Mary, she

doesn't need the savior Jesus. She

doesn't need Jesus to die on the cross

if if she's sinless. That is now clearly

she is sinful but

it just messes up everything doesn't it?

And then they say that Mary's mother was

sinless and they say that Mary's

mother's mother was sinless and they all

the way back to what Eve was Eve

sinless. Come on we know that Eve

sinned. Look at that in the look at the garden.

garden.

And so their logic just completely

Um, now in terms of Ezekiel 18,

Lamentations 3:33 when it says I'll

bring up this.

I have no pleasure in the death of

anyone. This is in regards to not hell.

This is not talking about hell. This is

talking about uh in terms of how the

Mosaic law should be enforced. It'd be

better if the person didn't break the

law or turn from breaking the Mosaic law

and therefore wouldn't have to be killed

by the society for transgressing it.

It's not talking about hell in

particular there. Now, lamentations, for

he does, for he does not afflict from

his heart or grieve the children of men.

Uh, let's have a context here.

The Lord will not cast off forever. This

is in regards to Israel and how he would

fulfill his plans with Israel because

the Lord will cast people off forever,

those in hell. We know that hell is

eternal, not temporary. So sometimes

people take Ezekiel 18, Lamentations 3,

and then apply it more generally when

those passages are more speaking about

how Israel should enact the Mosaic law

and God's opinion about the enacting of

that Mosaic law and in Lamentations, how

God's going to fulfill his promise to

restore Israel.

All right, Patrick sent in a follow-up

>> But kind to everyone,

All right. Patrick says, "I would need

to see it as a secondary belief that

comes after trusting in Christ. Since if

you trust Christ, you receive eternal

life and then you can know that you'll

But trust what about Christ?

Trust that I'm going to heaven because

he died on the cross for my sins. That's

trusting Christ, isn't it?

Yeah. It's that

Jesus has said to me, like again, go

back to my example, I'll bring dinner

over to you at 6:00. If I said that to

you, then trusting me means trusting

that I'll bring dinner over at 6:00.

That's what it means to trust me in that

context. So trusting Christ is not just

trusting he's a real person or that he's

just generally a reliable person,

but trusting that he has sacrificed his

life to save me, so I'm forgiven.

Um, and Patrick says, "I think being

convinced that God can raise the dead is

enough to have saving faith, if that

makes sense." No, no, no, no, no. That's

not sufficient to have be saved. Mormons

believe that God can raise the dead. Is

that sufficient to save them? Those who

trust in their good works to get to heaven,

heaven,

also believe that raising the dead, that

Jesus, that God can raise the dead.

Demons believe that God can raise the

dead. a demon saved.

So clearly just believing a fact about

God that God can do something. He has

all ability. In fact, Muslims would

believe this that God can raise the

dead. What's unique is that we need to

be trusting in what Christ has done to

save us as the only means of entry to

heaven. Which is why when I had the

debate on Monday,

your Sunday, um, with Noah, what do we

see? we see that he wasn't trusting

exclusively in Jesus to get him to

heaven. He was trusting in his

commandment keeping and his baptism and

his loving God and other things like

that. So therefore he doesn't have trust

in Jesus, not a saving trust in Jesus at

least. And so saving trust in Jesus is

believing in the sufficiency of Christ

to get me to heaven and therefore I'm

going to heaven because of him.

All right, this one from Jesse. I'm a

believer who's just started to take

faith seriously. Awesome. Good to hear

that. But the last few days, I've had a

fear of going to hell like I've never

had before. Is doubting slashw worrying

normal? This much normal?

Keep reminding yourself, Jesse. See,

this is a good example. Um, even in

light of Patrick's question,

a true Christian can experience what

Jesse's experiencing.

true Christian. But that it doesn't mean

that Jesse's not fully convinced,

right? Because you can be still fully

convinced of Christ and what he's done

for you and still have crazy thoughts

pop into up into your head that you

don't sincerely believe.

All right? You can have crazy thoughts

that pop up into your head about God's

existence. Doesn't mean you sincerely

don't believe in God.

You see that? So you can be still fully

convinced and yet have thoughts that

come up. And so I think what you should

do is conquer those thoughts by

reminding yourself of the truth. You

can't stop the birds from flying over

your head, but you can definitely stop

All right, this one from James. Someone

challenged me to prove Jesus and the

father are perfect after I made the

claim. What would you go to prove this?

H, it's an interesting question. Um, I'd

probably go to in regards to Jesus, like

Jesus in John 8 stood before his enemies

saying, "Which one of you accuses me of

sin?" And guess what? They're all

silent. Not not a single one could say,

"Jesus, you're sinner in this way." So,

their lack of actually accusing him of

any sin is a massive proof that he is

because he's giving them a it's like

giving on a platter to them. If you

think I've sinned, tell me what. And

they couldn't say anything because there

was nothing wrong. In terms of the

father, this is pretty easy as well to

show that the father is perfect. You

therefore must be perfect as your

heavenly father is perfect. Like this is

just right there proven. Case closed.

The father is perfect because it

literally says your heavenly father is

perfect. And we know that Jesus is in

the same nature as the father. He is the

radiance of the glory of God in the

exact imprint of his nature. And so if

the nature of God, the father is to be

perfect. And so if Jesus is the exact

imprint of his nature, then also he must

be perfect. In fact, if he wasn't

perfect, then how could he make

atonement for our sins?

1 Peter 2:22, he committed no sin. This

is about Christ. He committed no sin,

neither was deceit found in his mouth.

Very clear. Jesus committed no sin. What

about Hebrews 4:15?

We do not have a high priest who is

unable to sympathize with our

weaknesses, but one who in every respect

has been tempted as we are, yet without

sin. Notice there's clear verses in the

Bible that speak about Jesus

sinlessness, but there's no verses in

the Bible that speak about Mary's sinlessness.

sinlessness.

So why would people hold on to the man

the sinlessness of Mary?

It makes sense to hold on to the

sinlessness of Jesus and the father and

even of the Holy Spirit. So the passage

about who convicts you of me of sin,

that's in John 8:46. Which one of you

convicts me of sin? Jesus says

and if if I tell the truth, why do you

not believe me?

You even got Jesus affirming himself and

the father is one. I and the father are one.

one.

Yeah. So that's That's how I'd prove it

to them. Good question there, James.

All right. Uh, next one from

uh Oh, James has actually got another

one here. I heard a sermon by the late

pastor John MacArthur when he said that

the apostles Jesus chose were an

indictment on the religion of Judaism of

the time. What's your thoughts on this?

Depends what he's meaning. Like, um, you

haven't told me what sense he's meaning

indictment. Is it in the sense I can see

probably what he's meaning is that

he didn't choose the Pharisees, the

Sadducees, the Jewish religious leaders

to be his disciples. He chose 12

ordinary men. Some were fishermen. One

was a tax collector. The others were not

even sure what their occupation was.

They're nobodies in this world. And yet

God didn't choose

the religious one leaders, the ones who

walked around in their long robes making

their felactories broad and their

fringes long. Now he picked these

ordinary guys, uneducated common men.

They're described in the book of Acts

because God uses nobodies. It's the

great reversal. If you want to be great

in God's kingdom,

be the servant of all.

So yeah, I think in a way that probably

I can see how it would be a rebuke to

the the Jewish religious leaders that he

didn't pick them. And in fact, the ones

who most hated Jesus were the Jewish

religious leaders

when the people not as much, but more so

the Jewish religious leaders who tried

to do everything to plot to try and kill him.

him.

But interestingly, the Gentiles were the

ones who had greater faith. Even the

centurion in Matthew 8, Jesus says,

"With no one in all Israel have I found

such faith."

What a rebuke to every Jewish person at

that time. With no one in Israel have I

found such faith. This gentile had more

faith than all the Jewish people.

Because remember, it's not about

ethnicity. It's not about that at all.

It's just about having that humble heart

and willingness to trust the promises of God.

God.

All right. Uh, next one

from Martin. Seeking guidance. Is it

okay to remain in a church where the

preaching is hardly Christ/Gosspel-

centered, but there is a wonderful

community of believers who are

like-minded, gospel focused? Yeah,

that's up to you. That's really up to

you what you consider important.

Obviously, ideally would be you want a

church that has a preaching that's

uh exogetical

verse by verse, gospel centered, Christ

centered, just preaching Jesus Christ

and crucified.

As long as they're not like just

preaching complete heresy, then you'd be

like you probably want to leave it or

try and get as many people out of that

church as possible. if they're preaching

a false a false or worksbased gospel.

But in your scenario, it's less it's not

so much not heretical, but it's also not

as gospel focused as you'd want it to

be. Well, then

I would suggest that it's up to you

whether you stay or not because if you

can have a good influence there and if

you're getting the good Christian

fellowship and the gospel- centered

conversations, everything with the

people that are there and maybe you're

helping them and maybe you might be able

to help the church leadership, give some

suggestions, some gentle guidance to

them about what you would love to see

happen at church, then yeah, it's up to

you. I don't think there's a hard and

fast rule uh that you'd have to leave there.

there.

All right, this one from Shamga. Yes,

the third judge in the book of Judges is

back. Good to have you here, brother.

>> For the word of the cross is falling

to those who are perishing,

but to us who are being saved,

it is the power of God. Shamgar says JWs

add the word other in Colossians 1:16-1

17 and verse 20. They do. If you look at

their older edition of the New World

Translation, they had the word other in

italics to show that it's in an inserted

word. But in their latest edition,

they've removed the italics and they've

just left it there in the text, which is

incredibly deceiving.

So, I'll show you. For for by him all

things were created. Now here when it

says all things they say all other

things were created.

They think that Christ created all other

things. Why do they do that? Because

they want to believe that Jesus is a

created being

which is terrible heresy. Aryanism

and it doesn't say other. If you look at

the Greek there's no other. And now the

way to show JW about this go to the new

world trans go to the uh the kingdom

into linear that's on the JW website.

So, so the Kingdom Interlinear is is a

JW publication used. It's a physical

thing, but it's now also on their

website. So, if I I'll show you guys

All right. So, I just went to the JW

website. I went to I searched for

Kingdom Interline. This is the page that

Maybe just search for it. Oh, yeah.

Colossians chapter 1 and we're going to

scroll down to verse 16.

Okay, ready?

This is from the Greek literal to the

English. Okay, let's see if they have

the word other in there. Because in him

it was created the all things in heavens

and upon the earth. Notice there's no

the word other. So what's this

translated? All things were created

through him. That's what it's saying.

But if you then look at the New World Translation,

Translation,

and I think if I just search here, it

probably come up with the New World

Translation one

And okay, here we go. Ready? This is the

New World Translation. Because by means

of him all other things were created.

They've literally inserted the word

other right there. dishonesty to the key

to the max right there. And so how you

can show them it's dishonest is just go

to their kingdom in linear and show it

doesn't say all other things. It just

says all things right here. All things.

That's what you can do. Now another

thing you can do with JW's

because they've changed Colossians 1:16.

What they haven't changed is John 1:3.

They actually haven't changed John 1:3

in even their own translation.

Let me bring it up in their translation.

Okay, John 1 is about Jesus, right?

Let me copy it down. I'll copy on and

All right, copy.

There it is. Okay.

All right. John, I'll make sure you know

guys know what this is. John 1 vers3.

There it is.

All things came into existence through

him. And apart from him, not even one

thing came into existence.

Look at that.

This is talking about Jesus. And they

don't add the word other here.

So they believe Jesus came into existence.

existence.

They think he's a created being.

So therefore following their logic they

have to believe that Jesus came into

existence through Jesus and apart from

Jesus not even Jesus came into existence

That's absurd cuz if you have to create

yourself then that means you exist

before you exist. But if you exist

before you exist then you already exist.

And so it's a contradiction in terms.

And so that's why I usually don't go to

Colossians 1:16 as much with JWS. I go

to John 1:3 and it completely destroys

their view of who Christ is. Christ is

not a created being. Christ is God. And

And

um he made everything which means he

All right. Uh next one. Here we go.

Jamie says, "Ryan, they try arguing the

word through means he was Jehovah's in

instrument, but it still doesn't answer

it because

how is Jesus Jehovah's instrument to

make himself? To be the instrument in

making himself, he's still got to exist

before he exists on their view." And so,

their view is not consistent with that

passage there.

All right. Uh, next one. There was a

super chat from

uh Barber. Thank you so much for sending

in your super chat. Wow. Wonder wonder

what current uh what currency that is.

What country in the world you're in. But

Uh Jamie says you can also use Romans

11:36 to show that all things are made

through the Father also. Oh, that's

helpful. Yeah. Thanks for that, Jamie.

For from him and through him and to him

are all things. To him be the glory

forever. Yeah, the same word through is

applied to the father here.

That's a good point. Really good point.

Uh thank you Justified who sent this one

in for us. Appreciate that.

>> Blessed is the man who makes the Lord.

Who does not turn to the proud to those

who go astray after a life.

You have multiplied, oh Lord my God,

your wondrous deeds and your thoughts

toward us. None can compare with you.

Is Isaiah 96? Oh, so no. Is Yeah, I

think it's a question, but then it's

also a statement. Looks like is Isaiah

96 is the best verse to show. JWS.

It could be a statement or a question.

I'll treat it as if it's a question. I

think it's a great verse to show. Let's

bring it up. Isaiah 9:6. I wonder what

I'll have to check what their

translation says on this. For to us,

Whoa, it's going to um There you go. For

to us a child is born, to us a son is

given, and the government shall be upon

his shoulder, and his name shall be

called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,

Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Now, their translation, I wonder what

they've messed it up to be in regards to

this verse.

Actually, no, they haven't messed up

this one. So, their says exactly the

same thing here in Isaiah 9:6. Mighty God,

God,

eternal father, prince of peace. So,

their translation hasn't messed this one

up. But you know what their argument is?

Their argument is, "Oh, he's mighty God,

but he's not almighty God." See that?

Oh, look. It says mighty God, but he's

not the Almighty God.

Okay, that's interesting. But let's see.

Does the Old Testament call

God or Yahweh the mighty God? And the

answer is yes. We got Elgabore, a mighty

God, being used of God. different types.

Let me see if I can find the reference

Mighty God.

See if I can Okay, you've got Psalm 50 verse1.

verse1.

The mighty one,

God, the Lord. Who's described as the

mighty one?

Who's God?

Yahweh. Yahweh is or in their

translation Jehovah.

What about this Psalm 898? Oh Lord God

of hosts who is mighty as you, oh Lord.

Okay, again that shows it. What about

Isaiah 10:21?

A remnant will return, the remnant of

Jacob to the mighty God. So clearly

Yahweh is described as the mighty God.

And it speaks about in Isaiah 9:6 that

mighty God will be born as a child.

What else? Jeremiah 32:18.

You show steadfast love to thousands,

but you repay the guilt of fathers to

their children after them. Oh great and

mighty God, whose name is

the Lord of hosts, Yahweh.

So their argument holds no weight when

it says, "Oh, he's just mighty God but

not Almighty God." It's not a good

argument. How many mighty gods are there?

there?

There's only one. There's only one. And

Yeah. Um All right. Uh next question.

Here we go from Brian. Thank you, Brian,

for sending in your super chat for us.

For since in the wisdom of God

the world did not know God through wisdom,

wisdom,

it pleased God through the folly of what

we preach

Brian says, "Can you give context to

Hebrews 10:38? Does it mean a believer

can lose faith? And if it does, the what

happens if they believe again years

later? Good question. So it says here,

"But my righteous one shall live by faith,

faith,

and if he shrinks back, my soul has no

pleasure in him." So the Hebrews are

feeling tempted to leave Christianity

and to go back to Judaism. And

And

in this chapter, he's described what's

going to happen to those who reject

Christ. And this is what the going on

sinning deliberately is talking talking

about. It's not just talking about

generally sinning because we all

generally sin deliberately at different

times in our life. This is talking about

going on sinning deliberately in

regarding regards to rejecting Jesus.

after you've come to the knowledge of

Jesus and you say you don't want him

anymore and you reject him altogether.

No sacrifice left for you if you die in

that unbelief.

Instead, there's just a fearful

expectation of judgment and a fury of

fire that will consume the adversaries.

So, he's really stressing out don't or

he's really encouraging these Hebrews

don't be like these people who give up

and go back to their old system of

belief because vengeance is mine. I will

repay, God says. And again, the Lord

will judge his people. It is a fearful

thing to fall into the hands of the

living God. You don't want to fall into

his hands of justice. But then he goes

on encourages them by saying, "But look,

but you guys after you were enlightened,

you endured a lot of sufferings,

sometimes being publicly exposed to

reproach and affliction, and sometimes

being partners with those so treated.

For you had compassion on those in

prison, and you joyfully accepted the

plundering of your property, since you

knew you had a better possession and an

abiding one.

Therefore, do not throw away your

confidence, which has a great reward.

So, it's it's clearly about throwing

away your faith,

guys. Don't throw away your faith. Even

if you're offered 30 pieces of silver to

throw away your faith, it's not worth

it. What's the benefit of having the 30

pieces of silver, having billions of

dollars, and then going to hell when you die?

die?

Don't throw away your confidence. It has

great reward.

For you have need of endurance. So, this

destroys free grace theology. People who

say that you don't need to keep on

believing. Yes, you do. You have need of

endurance so that when you have done the

will of God, you may receive what is

promised. What's the will of God? the

continuing to have trust in Christ.

You've done the will of God by

continuing to hold on to him in faith

and you'll receive what he's promised to

you. So you need endurance in that for

yet a little while and the coming one

will come and will not delay. Won't be

long Christian before your struggle here

with on this earth is up before Christ

comes back. But my righteous one shall

live by faith and if he shrinks back my

soul has no pleasure in him. Meaning if

he gives up on the faith and doesn't

have that trust in Jesus to the end, God

has no pleasure in that person. They're

going to hell. Not that they had

salvation and lost it. It's not saying

that at all. It's just that they profess

to be in Christ and then they're no

longer professing to be in Christ, which

evidences that they're not in Christ and

therefore never really were in Christ

even though they profess to for a long

time. But then have a look at verse 39.

I love this. But we are not of those who

shrink back and are destroyed. So the

true believers aren't of those who give

up. The false believers, yeah, they give

up. A lot of them give up before they

die. But the true ones don't. The true

ones don't shrink back. They don't give

up on trusting in Jesus. They hold on to

that confidence in him to the end. We

are of those who have faith. Notice, if

you have faith, you preserve your souls.

And if you have faith, you don't shrink

back. You don't really have faith, yeah,

you'll shrink back and you'll be

destroyed. and your soul will not be preserved.

preserved.

Hopefully, it's helpful, Brian, in

Uh, so Jonathan says, "So, apostasy and

throwing off the faith is actually a

thing." Yeah, there are people who

profess to be Christians and then they

no longer profess to be Christians. So,

it's like they're throwing off the

faith, but the reality is they never had

the faith to begin with. They just

professed to, but they didn't possess

saving faith.

A good passage that shows this would be

John 1 John 2:19.

They went out from us, but they were not

of us. For if they had been of us, they

would have continued with us. But they

went out that it might become plain that

they all are not of us.

Those you leave were not of us to begin with.

with.

Yes. As Denine says, an empty profession.

profession.

That's true. Empty profession. All

right. This one from Mike. Hey Ryan, how

do I explain to a non-believer

who is trying to argue the authenticity

of the Bible with the age of Ahaziah and

to prove that it's not a contradiction

slash error. Yeah, this one is quite

easy to explain. just bring it up in the

ESV translation or basically any modern translation

translation

and it's going to be the exact same age.

I'll show you. Aziah was 22 years old

when he began to reign. So, how old was

Aziah? Everyone put in the chat, how old

was Aziah?

According to 2 Kings 8:26,

Aziah was 22. Okay, 22 years old when he

began to reign. Okay, now let's see the

chronicles. This is the one where they

bring up their look. There's a

contradiction. Are you ready? I'm going

to bring it up and let's see what age it

says. 2 Chronicles 22:2. Aziah was 22

years old when he began to reign. He

reigned one year in Jerusalem. There's

no contradiction here. It literally has

the same age. I'll go back. This is 2

Kings 8:26. How old was he? 22. Go to 2

Chronicles 22:2. How old was he? 22

the exact same

age. No contradiction here.

And helpfully our modern translations

have this is because this is what the

manuscripts not just the Hebrew

manuscript like there there is a copiest

error in the Hebrew manuscripts but if

we incorporate the Syrian Coptic and um

other very early manuscripts they all

have 22 here. So 22 is the best reading

of the text. Hence why our modern

translations now that we know all this

information are going to have 22 and

that's why it has that. So their

argument only works if you use the KJV translation.

translation.

The KJV translation

they have unhelpfully made a mistake

here by saying that he was 42 years old

when Ahaziah began to rain.

Um, so yeah, this is only an error which

they can bring up in the KJV

translation, but not in our modern

translations like the ESV because

helpfully they incorporate all the

manuscripts that have been discovered

even since 400 years ago. Yeah.

Yeah.

So there's no issue there. There's

actually no contradictions. Go back to

your question, Mike. There's no

contradictions, no errors in the Bible,

not even ASI. show them in the ESV and

then it destroys their um argument.

All right, this one from YT. Is faith a

work or is it a result of grace? As in

do we merit faith or is it something

given to us?

Faith is not a work. We know that

because of Romans

4:5 which says, "And to the one who does

not work but believes, showing therefore

believing is not a work." Now baptism is

a work. Sharing the gospel is a work.

Going to church is a work. But faith is

not because it's something internal.

Works are external. Faith is something

internal. Faith is a conviction of the

heart. Works actions that happen

externally. So baptism and external

action. Circumcision external action.

Going to church external action. They're

all works. So simple. I don't know. I

don't I understand why people find that

controversial. Clearly anything external

is a work. things that are internal like

faith is not a work.

Now is it a result of grace?

Well, God grants us faith. It says that

in Philippians 1:29. So everything is by grace.

grace.

But faith is the means which God has

appointed for us to receive the grace of

salvation. For by grace you have been

saved through what? Faith. So the faith

is the means by which we access the

And do we merit faith or is it something

given to us? Well, it's granted to us.

Faith is granted, but it's still from

our perspective something that we've

chosen to do. We've chosen to trust in

Christ. But yes, it is God who granted

to us that we should not only believe in

him. So that that shows that believing

is granted but also suffering. Suffering

for Jesus would also be granted by God.

All right. All right, this one from Chu.

Thanks so much for sending a new super

>> Whether in pretense or in truth,

Christ is proclaimed

Um, okay. So Chu says, "Do you have a

few books of the Bible that I could

focus on to work on myself, my conduct,

and my love?"

Yes, I would say probably go through

Romans. Romans gives you first of all

great summary of the gospel in the first

number of chapters of it. But then the

final like chapters 12 through to 16 are

really helpful on practical Christian

living. 12 has like command after

command of how God wants us to live. And

so that'll help on your conduct, your

love and things like that. But I think

the first 11 chapters will also be

helpful in you just being reminded of

the gospel because the best motivator

for obedience, best motivator motivator

for holiness is on the back of the

gospel. What Christ has done for us

makes us want to be more obedient to

him. If you don't think you've been

shown that much love from God, then you

won't love him very much and therefore

you won't want to be that obedient to

him. The one who's been forgiven little

loves little. The one who's been

forgiven much loves much. Which is why

you'll find

the people like often Roman Catholics

who trust in their own obedience to get

to heaven and not just faith alone in

Christ alone often don't read their

Bibles that much don't really value

holiness as much as somebody who

believes we're saved by faith alone in

Christ alone. You'll often find them

being more holy the ones that are

trusting Christ alone not their works

because we don't think we're doing it

because we have to. We're doing it

because we love God. I mean, we know how

much he's shown us great love. You'll

find that that makes Christians more

obedient, far more obedient than those

who trust in works. So, Romans is a good

one. You probably go through like

something like Colossians or Ephesians.

Those two books are pretty good on

practical instructions for Christian

living as well.

Just a follow-up question from Kitty.

John 6:29 says, "Faith is a work." I

know you say it's it's the work God

does, but that totally nullifies the

context. It doesn't nullify the context.

They were asking in John 6, the crowd,

the unbelieving crowd saying, "What work

do we have to do to be doing the works

of God?" And then Jesus says, "This is

the work of God that you believe." As in

whose work is it? Is it your work? No,

it is the work of God. It's God's work.

Faith is God's work because God is the

one who does the drawing and the

granting and the softening of your

heart. He does all those sort of things

to save to bring a person to to faith in Christ.

Christ.

But Kitty, how you interpret John 6

cannot contradict the rest of the Bible.

At least how I interpret John 6 doesn't

contradict Romans 4:5. But how you've

interpreted John 6 does

to the one who does not work but

believes. So this clearly shows

believing is not a work. And not just

this verse, I'll give you another one.

Romans 11:6 says says this, "But if it

is by grace, it is no longer on the

basis of works. Otherwise, grace would

no longer be grace." So as soon as you

make salvation dependent upon your

works, even just one work, it's not

grace-based salvation. And so if you

want to say that faith is a work, then

you don't believe in grace-based

salvation. Simple as that. Because as

soon as it's on the basis of works, it's

not grace.

It's not grace.

So that is why faith cannot be a work.

And you couple this with Romans 4:16

which says that is why it depends on

faith in order that the promise may rest

on grace. It can only rest on grace if

it depends on faith. Why? Because faith

is not a work. But if faith is a work,

then it doesn't depend on grace because

grace means not works.

Yeah. So I think we've got to interpret

scripture consistently

and if what if your interpretation of a

particular verse contradicts

other verses then probably that would

mean your interpretation of that verse

Samuel's got a spicy question for us

here. Hey, appreciate your questions.

Even the spicy ones. Um this one, why do

you call yourself Protestant when you

condemn all the reformers for believing

baptism says and for believing real

presence of the Eucharist?

Hey, guess what? I call myself

particularly a Christian because that's

the only label that the Bible gives. Christian.

Christian.

Now, I have no issue if we because the

word Protestant just simply means it

doesn't mean you lived in the 16th

century or Yeah. the 16th or 17th

century. That's not what Protestant

means in today's con context, in today's

vernacular. What Protestant means in

today's vernacular is that you hold the

scripture as being the standard that you

check everything with as opposed to an

institution like the Catholic Church or

the Orthodox Church. So if that's what

the word Protestant means today,

it may have meant something different in

the 16th century, but what how it's used

today is those who hold scripture as

being the standard, then I can say,

"Yeah, I hold scripture as the

standard." And so based on that modern

definition of Protestant, I I guess

anyone who holds scripture as a standard

would be a Protestant then if they hold

that as the standard. Um now going to

the thing you said all the reformers

believe baptism saved. Really? Do they

think that justification happened by

baptism? Justification's by baptism. All

the reformers believe that.

Now you have Luther maybe indicating

that you don't find Calvin. You don't

find even the Westminster Confession of

Faith saying that baptism is what

justifies you. They actually make very

clear that justification happens

by the means the sole instrument of

justification. They say I showed it the

other day on the stream here. The sole

instrument of justification is faith.

And faith is not the same as baptism.

They're two different things. Two very

different things.

And so therefore, no, your statement is

just incorrect. And you probably got

that from Deem Zoomer or something like

that. He often likes to misrepresent

what the Protestants believe, what the um many of the early Protestants or

um many of the early Protestants or confessions of faith taught. Now, real

confessions of faith taught. Now, real presence in the Eucharist, what do you

presence in the Eucharist, what do you mean by real presence in the Eucharist?

mean by real presence in the Eucharist? Are you talking about

Are you talking about transubstantiation? Is that what you're

transubstantiation? Is that what you're meaning? What sense real? Because I can

meaning? What sense real? Because I can affirm when Jesus says, "This is my

affirm when Jesus says, "This is my body. This is my blood." I can say,

body. This is my blood." I can say, "Amen. That is his body and that his

"Amen. That is his body and that his blood." In what sense though? That it's

blood." In what sense though? That it's changed substance that it's somehow now

changed substance that it's somehow now just human blood and it's human flesh?

just human blood and it's human flesh? No. Cuz that's not even what Jesus

No. Cuz that's not even what Jesus meant.

meant. So what did Jesus mean when he said,

So what did Jesus mean when he said, "This is my body. This is my blood."

"This is my body. This is my blood." Clearly these elements point to him.

Clearly these elements point to him. Do this in remembrance of me. So clearly

Do this in remembrance of me. So clearly these things remind us of Jesus. His

these things remind us of Jesus. His body broken and blood shed. So therefore

body broken and blood shed. So therefore this is and this is is talking about

this is and this is is talking about this helps you remember what I will do

this helps you remember what I will do for you and now for us what he has done

for you and now for us what he has done for us. You don't do something in

for us. You don't do something in remembrance of him if it's actually just

remembrance of him if it's actually just him. If you actually got Jesus in front

him. If you actually got Jesus in front of you when you're holding the bread

of you when you're holding the bread that's just literally Jesus. You don't

that's just literally Jesus. You don't do this in remembrance of him when

do this in remembrance of him when you've got him there. If that's

you've got him there. If that's literally him. Clearly it's not

literally him. Clearly it's not literally him.

literally him. That's why he says, "Whenever you eat

That's why he says, "Whenever you eat the bread and drink the cup, you

the bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he

proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." But Samuel, feel free to come

comes." But Samuel, feel free to come for a viewer chat later on if you'd like

for a viewer chat later on if you'd like to. We could we could chat about these

to. We could we could chat about these things uh further if you'd like. But my

things uh further if you'd like. But my encouragement is

encouragement is check everything with the Bible.

check everything with the Bible. more so than checking it with a

more so than checking it with a reformer, checking it with this person

reformer, checking it with this person or that person, checking it with the a

or that person, checking it with the a in the inspired apostles, the prophets

in the inspired apostles, the prophets that are all contained in scripture.

that are all contained in scripture. That would be the best port of call.

That would be the best port of call. That would be the best thing to rely on

That would be the best thing to rely on rather than I'm of Paul, I'm not of

rather than I'm of Paul, I'm not of Cphus, you know, like they were doing in

Cphus, you know, like they were doing in first Corinthians. Now, we want to

first Corinthians. Now, we want to believe the entirety of God's

believe the entirety of God's revelation, and that's all contained in

revelation, and that's all contained in scripture. A reformer is not inspired of

scripture. A reformer is not inspired of the Holy Spirit to speak infallibly.

All right. Uh, this one from Tyson. Thank you so much, Tyson, for your super

Thank you so much, Tyson, for your super chat for us today. For there is no

chat for us today. For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and

distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are

fall short of the glory of God and are justified by his grace as a gift through

justified by his grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. >> And just quickly um Samuel who made that

>> And just quickly um Samuel who made that last comment, do you think water baptism

last comment, do you think water baptism justifies you?

justifies you? Do you think faith is the only means of

Do you think faith is the only means of justification? Like reformers actually

justification? Like reformers actually believe and as Paul taught, you are

believe and as Paul taught, you are justified by faith. Do you believe we're

justified by faith. Do you believe we're justified by faith or do you believe

justified by faith or do you believe justification happens by water baptism?

justification happens by water baptism? Samuel, what's your answer? I want to

Samuel, what's your answer? I want to hear what you say to that.

hear what you say to that. All right. Um Tyson has sent this one

All right. Um Tyson has sent this one in. Thank you so much, Tyson, for your

in. Thank you so much, Tyson, for your super chat. Does God ignore the prayers

super chat. Does God ignore the prayers of unbelievers since they don't have the

of unbelievers since they don't have the Holy Spirit interpreting for them? Uh,

Holy Spirit interpreting for them? Uh, love your ministry, Ryan. God bless you

love your ministry, Ryan. God bless you and the team. Thank you, Tyson.

and the team. Thank you, Tyson. Appreciate your kind words there.

Appreciate your kind words there. Does God ignore the prayers of

Does God ignore the prayers of unbelievers? Now, we don't know exactly

unbelievers? Now, we don't know exactly what God does with every prayer of an

what God does with every prayer of an unbeliever. There's some passages that

unbeliever. There's some passages that say things like, "God abhors the prayers

say things like, "God abhors the prayers of the wicked." So, there is a verse

of the wicked." So, there is a verse like that. Does that mean he doesn't

like that. Does that mean he doesn't ever hear them? Well, he hears

ever hear them? Well, he hears everything because he he knows

everything because he he knows everything. So, it's not like he's

everything. So, it's not like he's doesn't hear what they're actually

doesn't hear what they're actually saying. Let me give you a couple

saying. Let me give you a couple passages. So, first of all, you got

passages. So, first of all, you got Proverbs 15:29. The Lord is far from the

Proverbs 15:29. The Lord is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayers of the

wicked, but he hears the prayers of the righteous.

righteous. Um, you've got

Um, you've got passages that

uh let me have a look. Okay, Cornelius might be a good example.

might be a good example. Cornelius in Acts chapter 10, you

Cornelius in Acts chapter 10, you remember how he was described as being a

remember how he was described as being a god-fearer?

god-fearer? It says here, he was a devout man who

It says here, he was a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave

feared God with all his household, gave arms generously to the to the people,

arms generously to the to the people, and prayed continually to God. Now, this

and prayed continually to God. Now, this guy is not a Christian, by the way. He's

guy is not a Christian, by the way. He's an un he's he's a believer in God, a

an un he's he's a believer in God, a God-fearer, but he's not saved at this

God-fearer, but he's not saved at this moment in time,

moment in time, right? So then if we go then to the

right? So then if we go then to the uh next verse it says about the 9inth

uh next verse it says about the 9inth hour of the day he saw clearly in a

hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God come in and say

vision an angel of God come in and say to him Cornelius and he stared at him in

to him Cornelius and he stared at him in terror and said what is it Lord and he

terror and said what is it Lord and he said to him your prayers and your arms

said to him your prayers and your arms have been have ascended as a memorial

have been have ascended as a memorial before God. This is not a Christian but

before God. This is not a Christian but his prayers are ascending as a memorial

his prayers are ascending as a memorial to God.

to God. Hm. Now, you might say, "Oh, how do you

Hm. Now, you might say, "Oh, how do you know he wasn't saved, Ryan?" Well,

know he wasn't saved, Ryan?" Well, because literally Peter's going to go

because literally Peter's going to go and preach the gospel to him, and he's

and preach the gospel to him, and he's going to get saved. If you look in Acts

going to get saved. If you look in Acts 11, it tells us that as well. Let's see

11, it tells us that as well. Let's see if I can give you the exact verse, the

if I can give you the exact verse, the very next chapter,

very next chapter, it mentions,

it mentions, here we go, verse 13. And he told us how

here we go, verse 13. And he told us how he had seen the angel stand in his house

he had seen the angel stand in his house and say, "Send to Jopa and bring Simon

and say, "Send to Jopa and bring Simon who is called Peter. And he will declare

who is called Peter. And he will declare to you a message by which you will be

to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household."

saved, you and all your household." Notice a message that you'll be saved.

Notice a message that you'll be saved. So Cornelius was unsaved at the time

So Cornelius was unsaved at the time when God says his prayers have ascended

when God says his prayers have ascended as a memorial before him, but he was

as a memorial before him, but he was clearly part of the elect. The fact that

clearly part of the elect. The fact that he got saved is evidence of that. And so

he got saved is evidence of that. And so it seemed that God accepted his prayers

it seemed that God accepted his prayers even before he was saved.

even before he was saved. But if somebody is maybe not of the

But if somebody is maybe not of the elect, maybe it might mean that God just

elect, maybe it might mean that God just never ever accept their prayers.

never ever accept their prayers. That could be uh what interesting.

That could be uh what interesting. Cornelius did try to worship Peter.

Cornelius did try to worship Peter. That's true. That would the sinful

That's true. That would the sinful thing.

Uh, you've got I'm thinking of first Peter 1 Peter 3

I'm thinking of first Peter 1 Peter 3 12.

12. For the eyes of the Lord are on the

For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are open to their

righteous and his ears are open to their prayer. So we can know this for

prayer. So we can know this for believers Lord's ears are very open to

believers Lord's ears are very open to our prayers. For unbelievers it seems

our prayers. For unbelievers it seems that they're not as much unless maybe

that they're not as much unless maybe you're of the elect. So you will come to

you're of the elect. So you will come to faith in Jesus then God will be open to

faith in Jesus then God will be open to your prayers. But it's if you're a

your prayers. But it's if you're a believer that evidences that you are

believer that evidences that you are elect. And so definitely the Lord uh his

elect. And so definitely the Lord uh his ears are open to your prayers.

Yeah. Now I want to see did Samuel answer my question. Not sure if you guys

answer my question. Not sure if you guys saw it.

saw it. Let's have a look. Let's have a look.

Let's have a look. Let's have a look. It's not starred in the chat. So I'm not

It's not starred in the chat. So I'm not sure if one of our mods saw it.

sure if one of our mods saw it. Uh, did any of our mods see it? Um,

Uh, did any of our mods see it? Um, where I asked Samuel, are we justified

where I asked Samuel, are we justified by faith in Christ alone or we justified

by faith in Christ alone or we justified by baptism?

by baptism? What a baptism that is. How does

What a baptism that is. How does justification happen? So, let us know

justification happen? So, let us know Samuel and you should come for a viewer

Samuel and you should come for a viewer chat in a bit.

chat in a bit. Um, okay.

So, just uncheck this. Um, Operation Gayscale says, "Rina stated sins that

Gayscale says, "Rina stated sins that Catholic commits

Catholic commits mean that they aren't true believers.

mean that they aren't true believers. It's not about sins that they commit.

It's not about sins that they commit. It's that they that many Catholics trust

It's that they that many Catholics trust in their works to get them to heaven."

in their works to get them to heaven." Now, some Catholics who call themselves

Now, some Catholics who call themselves Catholics who who may trust in Christ

Catholics who who may trust in Christ alone and so therefore they're saved,

right? I'm not sure how you're linking this up

I'm not sure how you're linking this up with divorce and remarage, but you know,

with divorce and remarage, but you know, we love our Catholic friends and family

we love our Catholic friends and family and other people like that, but we just

and other people like that, but we just want them to depend on Jesus to get us

want them to depend on Jesus to get us to get them to heaven rather than works.

to get them to heaven rather than works. Here we go. Dan says he did not. Samuel,

Here we go. Dan says he did not. Samuel, where have you gone, bro? Where have you

where have you gone, bro? Where have you gone? Do you believe that justification

gone? Do you believe that justification happens by baptism

happens by baptism like the Roman Catholics believe or do

like the Roman Catholics believe or do you believe it happens by faith like how

you believe it happens by faith like how the Bible teaches and interestingly how

the Bible teaches and interestingly how many of the reformers taught

many of the reformers taught justification happens by faith not water

justification happens by faith not water baptism.

Um, cool. All right, these are great questions. We're going to do some Bible

questions. We're going to do some Bible trivia. Well, hopefully Samuel's going

trivia. Well, hopefully Samuel's going to respond to us. Um, but we'll see.

to respond to us. Um, but we'll see. Let's do now some Bible trivia with you.

Let's do now some Bible trivia with you. Bible trivia. Here we go. Test your

Bible trivia. Here we go. Test your knowledge. Let it show. Right here

knowledge. Let it show. Right here ongod.net.

ongod.net. Who can get it first? Are you ready yet?

>> Hey, I'm so excited. Look who's here today. Look who's here today doing some

today. Look who's here today doing some Bible trivia with us. We got Beck. She's

Bible trivia with us. We got Beck. She's like the only one in the stream. Where's

like the only one in the stream. Where's the rest of the team?

the rest of the team? >> I know. I was like, I better put my

>> I know. I was like, I better put my camera. Are they all disappearing?

camera. Are they all disappearing? Someone else is here.

Someone else is here. >> They're all busy.

>> They're all busy. Where's the rest? Maybe they're

Where's the rest? Maybe they're listening. Hey, look who's come in.

listening. Hey, look who's come in. Edson, good to have you here. Yes, Beck

Edson, good to have you here. Yes, Beck is here. World famous Beck. All right.

is here. World famous Beck. All right. Now,

Now, hey, have you got a suggestion, Beck,

hey, have you got a suggestion, Beck, for what? Um, trivia topic. Bible trivia

for what? Um, trivia topic. Bible trivia topic.

>> James says, "My son sitting beside said Bible trivia." Here we go.

Bible trivia." Here we go. Yeah. Well, sorry. Go for it, P.

Yeah. Well, sorry. Go for it, P. >> What about like animals in the Bible?

>> What about like animals in the Bible? >> Oh, animals in the Bible. What do you

>> Oh, animals in the Bible. What do you guys think about that? That sounds

guys think about that? That sounds interesting.

interesting. Hey, that to be good. Edson's like,

Hey, that to be good. Edson's like, "Yes, Revelation has got some animals,

"Yes, Revelation has got some animals, doesn't it?"

Oh, good. Let's do this. All right. What was the animal that spoke to Balum?

What was the animal that spoke to Balum? Was it a lion, a dove, a donkey, or a

Was it a lion, a dove, a donkey, or a goat?

goat? All right, go for it, Beck.

All right, go for it, Beck. >> A donkey.

>> A donkey. >> It was a donkey. What animal did Noah

>> It was a donkey. What animal did Noah send out of the ark first? Was it a

send out of the ark first? Was it a raven, a dove, a sparrow, or an eagle?

raven, a dove, a sparrow, or an eagle? Edson, what do you think?

Edson, what do you think? >> Raven.

>> Raven. It was a raven. Correct. And then he

It was a raven. Correct. And then he sent the dove after that. Next.

Whoa. That was someone in the jity room making

That was someone in the jity room making a lot of noise there. It looks like

a lot of noise there. It looks like someone. Who was that?

someone. Who was that? That was Paul. Oh, Paul. What you doing?

That was Paul. Oh, Paul. What you doing? >> That was a man trying to get your

>> That was a man trying to get your attention to put me on stage.

attention to put me on stage. >> I do that with the all the time.

>> I do that with the all the time. Okay. All right. Um, next one. Which

Okay. All right. Um, next one. Which animal did Jonah compare his life to

animal did Jonah compare his life to when he prayed inside the fish?

What do you think? Um, I'll give you options. Camel, serpent, ox,

options. Camel, serpent, ox, or

or fish. What do you think, Paul?

fish. What do you think, Paul? >> Well, it was in a fish. I don't know if

>> Well, it was in a fish. I don't know if he compared his life to the fish. So, I

he compared his life to the fish. So, I don't know. I'm a bit confused.

don't know. I'm a bit confused. >> Yeah, this is a tricky one. Uh, so does

>> Yeah, this is a tricky one. Uh, so does anyone remember this? Uh, let me see.

anyone remember this? Uh, let me see. Actually, don't think he did at all.

Actually, don't think he did at all. Yeah, I don't think that's a good

Yeah, I don't think that's a good question. So, we'll scrap that one.

question. So, we'll scrap that one. We'll scrap that one.

We'll scrap that one. I don't think he he talked about seaweed

I don't think he he talked about seaweed wrapping around his head, didn't he? He

wrapping around his head, didn't he? He talked about waters clothing it closing

talked about waters clothing it closing in. He thought he was in the belly of

in. He thought he was in the belly of Shol.

Shol. Yeah. So, maybe that's a trick question.

Yeah. So, maybe that's a trick question. Okay, we'll go to the next one. All

Okay, we'll go to the next one. All right, next.

right, next. What animal did Samson kill when he was

What animal did Samson kill when he was traveling to Timna? Was it a bear, a

traveling to Timna? Was it a bear, a lion, a wolf, or a wild ox?

lion, a wolf, or a wild ox? Okay, we'll give that one to you, Paul.

>> Um, was that a lion? >> The answer was a lion. Nice. The one

>> The answer was a lion. Nice. The one where you then found honey in it later

where you then found honey in it later on, didn't he?

on, didn't he? a beehive in there. Next one. What

a beehive in there. Next one. What animal did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on?

animal did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on? Was it a camel, a horse, a donkey, or a

Was it a camel, a horse, a donkey, or a mule? Edson, what do you think?

mule? Edson, what do you think? >> A donkey.

>> A donkey. >> Donkey. Now, what is Satan compared to

>> Donkey. Now, what is Satan compared to in the Bible in 1 Peter 5'8

in the Bible in 1 Peter 5'8 in that passage specifically? Is he a

in that passage specifically? Is he a serpent, a wild dog, a roaring lion, or

serpent, a wild dog, a roaring lion, or a jackal? What do you think, Beck?

a jackal? What do you think, Beck? >> A roaring lion?

>> A roaring lion? >> Roaring lion. Nice work. Now, he's

>> Roaring lion. Nice work. Now, he's described as a serpent later on, but not

described as a serpent later on, but not there in First Peter 5:8.

there in First Peter 5:8. For those wondering what that passage

For those wondering what that passage says, here it is.

says, here it is. Be sober minded. Be watchful. Your

Be sober minded. Be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like

adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to

a roaring lion seeking someone to devour.

devour. Next one.

Next one. What animals

What animals animals did God use to feed Elijah by

animals did God use to feed Elijah by the brook?

the brook? Was it sparrows, ravens, doves, or

Was it sparrows, ravens, doves, or eagles?

eagles? Paul, what do you think?

Paul, what do you think? >> Ravens.

>> Ravens. >> Yeah, the answer is ravens. Well done.

>> Yeah, the answer is ravens. Well done. Next one. What animal was sent out into

Next one. What animal was sent out into the wilderness on the day of atonement?

the wilderness on the day of atonement? Was it a sheep, an ox, a goat, or a

Was it a sheep, an ox, a goat, or a donkey?

donkey? Edson.

Edson. >> Goat.

>> Goat. >> It was a goat. Call it the scapegoat.

>> It was a goat. Call it the scapegoat. Great work. What fish?

Great work. What fish? Um,

Um, actually, no. Ask this one. What animal

actually, no. Ask this one. What animal did Jesus use as an example of God's

did Jesus use as an example of God's care in Matthew 6?

care in Matthew 6? Was it a fox, a lion, a goat, or a bird?

Was it a fox, a lion, a goat, or a bird? So, he also talks about consider the

So, he also talks about consider the liies, how they grow and things like

liies, how they grow and things like that. They neither toil nor spin. But he

that. They neither toil nor spin. But he gives an example of an animal talking

gives an example of an animal talking about God's care for for Christians.

about God's care for for Christians. What do you think, Beck?

What do you think, Beck? Birds of the air.

Birds of the air. >> Yeah, nice work. Consider the birds of

>> Yeah, nice work. Consider the birds of the air. They don't have storehouses

the air. They don't have storehouses where they store their stuff, but God

where they store their stuff, but God still feeds them. And you see that every

still feeds them. And you see that every day the birds are around doing their

day the birds are around doing their thing, singing their songs and uh

thing, singing their songs and uh gathering food.

gathering food. All right. Next. And then you we've

All right. Next. And then you we've we've had like some magpies around here

we've had like some magpies around here recently and they've had some babies.

recently and they've had some babies. And so it's interesting like how the

And so it's interesting like how the mother mother and father make pies would

mother mother and father make pies would grab some food or whatever they find and

grab some food or whatever they find and then bring it over to the babies and

then bring it over to the babies and feed them. Yeah, it's amazing how God

feed them. Yeah, it's amazing how God has designed them to be able to do all

has designed them to be able to do all those sort of things and know how to do

those sort of things and know how to do it as well. All right, next.

We're still looking for a horse one, aren't we, Beck?

In so when Solomon talked about his, you know, he's a very wealthy man. He

know, he's a very wealthy man. He imported his horses from which country?

imported his horses from which country? Which country did Solomon import his

Which country did Solomon import his horses for? And I believe they're about

horses for? And I believe they're about 150 shekels each, I think, if I remember

150 shekels each, I think, if I remember correctly. Something like that. Which

correctly. Something like that. Which country was it? Syria,

country was it? Syria, Cissia,

Cissia, Egypt, or Ethiopia.

Egypt, or Ethiopia. All right, what do you think, Paul?

All right, what do you think, Paul? >> I'm going to say Egypt.

>> I'm going to say Egypt. >> It was Egypt. Nice work. So good. And

>> It was Egypt. Nice work. So good. And now this one's for Edson because it's

now this one's for Edson because it's Revelation. Ready?

Revelation. Ready? Which animal is mentioned in Revelation

Which animal is mentioned in Revelation 4:7 as one of the living creatures

4:7 as one of the living creatures around God's throne?

around God's throne? Is it a lion, an ox, a man, or an eagle?

>> All of them. >> Correct. The answer is all of them. Wow.

>> Correct. The answer is all of them. Wow. Edson even got that. That was going to

Edson even got that. That was going to be like a almost like a trick question.

be like a almost like a trick question. And he got it. You can't trick Edson

And he got it. You can't trick Edson with the book of Revelation.

with the book of Revelation. That's so good to see that. All right,

That's so good to see that. All right, let's do some

let's do some questions here on some particular verses

questions here on some particular verses in the Bible. We might do

in the Bible. We might do entire Bible today. Five verses.

entire Bible today. Five verses. Here we go.

Here we go. And Ruth the Moabitete said to Naomi,

And Ruth the Moabitete said to Naomi, "Let me go to the field and glean among

"Let me go to the field and glean among the ears of grain after him, in whose

the ears of grain after him, in whose sight I shall find favor."

sight I shall find favor." And she said to her, "Go, my daughter."

And she said to her, "Go, my daughter." >> Okay. So, was that from Ruth Daniel 1st

>> Okay. So, was that from Ruth Daniel 1st Chronicles or Amos? What do you think,

Chronicles or Amos? What do you think, Beck?

Beck? >> That's from Ruth 22.

>> Jamie guess Amos. Says Ruth in there. Yeah, he's probably

Says Ruth in there. Yeah, he's probably joking. Nice work, Ruth 22.

joking. Nice work, Ruth 22. >> You therefore must be perfect as your

>> You therefore must be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect.

heavenly father is perfect. >> Yeah. All right, Paul, what's this one?

>> Yeah. All right, Paul, what's this one? >> Um, that would be Matthew 5:48.

>> Um, that would be Matthew 5:48. >> Matthew 5:48. Nice work.

>> Matthew 5:48. Nice work. >> But the princes of the Ammonites said to

>> But the princes of the Ammonites said to Han, their lord, do you think because

Han, their lord, do you think because David has sent comforters to you that he

David has sent comforters to you that he is honoring your father? Has not David

is honoring your father? Has not David sent his servants to you to search the

sent his servants to you to search the city and to spy it out and to overthrow

city and to spy it out and to overthrow it?

it? >> Okay, Edson, what do you think? Is that

>> Okay, Edson, what do you think? Is that Job, 2 Samuel, 2 Chronicles, and

Job, 2 Samuel, 2 Chronicles, and Ezekiel? Maybe give us the context of

Ezekiel? Maybe give us the context of what you think the context is first.

what you think the context is first. >> Okay. So, David was good friends with a

>> Okay. So, David was good friends with a king and then he died and then he sent

king and then he died and then he sent some of his officials and um to the new

some of his officials and um to the new king and then the new king shaved their

king and then the new king shaved their beards, I believe.

beards, I believe. Um so, I'll guess second Samuel.

Um so, I'll guess second Samuel. >> H like didn't they like rip their

>> H like didn't they like rip their clothing in half and things like that?

clothing in half and things like that? Yeah. So, 2 Samuel, nice work.

Yeah. So, 2 Samuel, nice work. >> A time to weep and a time to laugh. A

>> A time to weep and a time to laugh. A time to mourn and a time to dance.

time to mourn and a time to dance. >> Where's Joan? It's his favorite book.

>> Where's Joan? It's his favorite book. All right. What do you think? Is this

All right. What do you think? Is this Ecclesiastes, Judges, Zechariah, or

Ecclesiastes, Judges, Zechariah, or First Samuel? What do you think there,

First Samuel? What do you think there, Beck?

Beck? >> That's Ecclesiastes. I'm actually

>> That's Ecclesiastes. I'm actually reading

reading >> Ecclesiastes. Oh, no. I just finished

>> Ecclesiastes. Oh, no. I just finished it.

it. >> Yeah, you're

>> Yeah, you're >> for such a one. This punishment by the

>> for such a one. This punishment by the majority is enough.

majority is enough. >> All right. Is this Acts 2, 2

>> All right. Is this Acts 2, 2 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, or Second Peter?

Corinthians, 1 Timothy, or Second Peter? What do you think, Paul?

What do you think, Paul? >> Uh, I'm going to have go at Second

>> Uh, I'm going to have go at Second Corinthians.

Corinthians. >> Second Corinthians. What do you think

>> Second Corinthians. What do you think the context is?

the context is? >> Couldn't tell you.

>> Couldn't tell you. >> Okay. Yeah. I think context is he's just

>> Okay. Yeah. I think context is he's just spoken about,

spoken about, you know, how if a person's repented and

you know, how if a person's repented and they've come to their senses, well, you

they've come to their senses, well, you know, restore them. Don't let them just

know, restore them. Don't let them just still be considered an outcast. Restore

still be considered an outcast. Restore them back into the fellowship. Nice

them back into the fellowship. Nice work. We got 100%.

work. We got 100%. And a new best time even. Good job, you

And a new best time even. Good job, you guys. That's u that was really epic of

guys. That's u that was really epic of you guys getting that. And I thought

you guys getting that. And I thought because it's it's a different day, you

because it's it's a different day, you know, it's Friday for us here in

know, it's Friday for us here in Australia, maybe Thursday for where you

Australia, maybe Thursday for where you guys are, I thought I'd even give you

guys are, I thought I'd even give you some trivia of something that we don't

some trivia of something that we don't do very regularly here on this stream,

do very regularly here on this stream, but it's going to be Bible trivia, but

but it's going to be Bible trivia, but your it's going to be based on the need

your it's going to be based on the need God.net songs. So, I'm going to play a

God.net songs. So, I'm going to play a small snippet of these songs, and you

small snippet of these songs, and you have to tell us which book of the Bible

have to tell us which book of the Bible you think this is from.

you think this is from. Are you ready, Paul, Edson, and Beck?

Are you ready, Paul, Edson, and Beck? You guys ready in the chat?

You guys ready in the chat? Okay, here we go.

For what credit is it when you sin and are beaten for it? you

when you sin and are beaten for it? you endure.

But if when you do good and suffer for it, you endure,

it, you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of

this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.

God. >> Okay. Now, with this, you're going to

>> Okay. Now, with this, you're going to have to guess who the book, but also

have to guess who the book, but also tell me what the next line is. What do

tell me what the next line is. What do you think the next line is? Okay, Beck,

you think the next line is? Okay, Beck, I'm going to go for you cuz you're

I'm going to go for you cuz you're singing, it looks like.

singing, it looks like. >> Yeah. For to this you have been called

>> Yeah. For to this you have been called for Christ also suffered for you leaving

for Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example

you an example that we might follow in his steps. It's

that we might follow in his steps. It's um first Peter 3.

um first Peter 3. Hey, first Peter chapter, not three.

Hey, first Peter chapter, not three. Chapter.

Chapter. >> Oh, four.

>> Oh, four. >> Lower.

>> Lower. >> I can't remember where it is.

>> I can't remember where it is. >> Five.

>> Five. >> Lower. Lower's. I said lower. Higher.

>> Lower. Lower's. I said lower. Higher. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, yeah. Two.

>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, yeah. Two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> That's so funny. Well done, Jamie.

>> That's so funny. Well done, Jamie. Getting that in the chat. I think Carol

Getting that in the chat. I think Carol got it as well. Um, and a couple other

got it as well. Um, and a couple other people got that first. Peter. All right,

people got that first. Peter. All right, let's see if she was right with the next

let's see if she was right with the next line. Are you ready?

>> For to this you have been called cuz Christ also suffered for you leaving

cuz Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example

you an example so that you might follow in his step.

so that you might follow in his step. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. All right. Okay. Now, good job you guys.

All right. Okay. Now, good job you guys. I'll take that off the screen just again

I'll take that off the screen just again so that we can um not give you give it

so that we can um not give you give it away what the next one is. I'm going to

away what the next one is. I'm going to shuffle shuffle.

shuffle shuffle. Are you ready for another one?

Okay, this one. Oh foolish Galatians

Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you

who has bewitched you who was before your eyes that Jesus

who was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly crucified.

Christ was publicly crucified. >> All right. Now this one may not be as

>> All right. Now this one may not be as hard. This should be I think most of you

hard. This should be I think most of you better get this because it mentioned the

better get this because it mentioned the book name in the lyrics. So

book name in the lyrics. So all right. Um, Paul, what do you think?

all right. Um, Paul, what do you think? >> Hey, Bruce.

>> Hey, Bruce. >> No. No. Come on.

>> No. No. Come on. No. Are you serious?

Oh, foolish Hebrews. Who has been witched you?

Who has been witched you? What was it? Oh, foolish.

Okay, we can't get it. All right, let's go to Edson. What do you think?

go to Edson. What do you think? Galatians.

Galatians. >> Galatians. Nice work.

>> All right. And Edson, what do you think the next line is?

the next line is? >> Um, did you receive the spirit by works

>> Um, did you receive the spirit by works of the law or by hearing through faith?

of the law or by hearing through faith? Something similar.

Something similar. >> Yeah, let's hear it.

>> Yeah, let's hear it. >> Let me ask you this. Did you receive the

>> Let me ask you this. Did you receive the spirit by works of the law or by hearing

spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?

with faith? >> Well done. That was really good, Edson.

>> Well done. That was really good, Edson. All right, let me give you another one.

Now the disciples went to Galilee to the mountain to which Jesus had

to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them and when they saw him they

directed them and when they saw him they worshiped him but some doubted but some

worshiped him but some doubted but some doubted and Jesus came and said to them

doubted and Jesus came and said to them all authority

all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to

in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

me. >> Okay, I'm gonna give this one to Paul.

>> Okay, I'm gonna give this one to Paul. What do you think?

What do you think? >> I have no idea what these songs mean.

>> I have no idea what these songs mean. Sorry.

Sorry. >> Okay. All right. Uh, let's go to Beck.

>> Okay. All right. Uh, let's go to Beck. >> Yeah. So, that's the great commission.

>> Yeah. So, that's the great commission. Matthew 28. Go therefore and make

Matthew 28. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations,

disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father

baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Spirit. And

and of the Spirit. And >> no, and of the Son and of the Holy

>> no, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them.

Spirit, teaching them. >> Yeah. Do you guys hear that song at the

>> Yeah. Do you guys hear that song at the end of every song?

end of every song? >> Yeah, it's our outro song with the

>> Yeah, it's our outro song with the string. Here we go.

>> And make disciples of all nations with the name of the Father

with the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. >> Good job. Yeah, that was good. I'll give

>> Good job. Yeah, that was good. I'll give you one more. Here we go. You guys are

you one more. Here we go. You guys are doing amazing with this.

doing amazing with this. Which one should I give you?

Okay, we might do this one.

But now the rightousness of God

of God has been manifested apart from the law.

has been manifested apart from the law. Although the law and the prophets bear

Although the law and the prophets bear witness to it,

witness to it, the righteousness of God

the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ

through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.

for all who believe. I played this one earlier with a super

I played this one earlier with a super chat button. Let's see if that gives a

chat button. Let's see if that gives a hint to anyone. All right, Edson, what

hint to anyone. All right, Edson, what do you think?

do you think? Romans.

Romans. Um, yeah. Am I right?

Um, yeah. Am I right? >> Yeah. Yeah, you're correct. It is

>> Yeah. Yeah, you're correct. It is Romans. Good job. Do you remember the

Romans. Good job. Do you remember the chapter?

chapter? >> Chapter three.

>> Chapter three. >> Good job. Jamie got that as well. A few

>> Good job. Jamie got that as well. A few others getting that in the chat. Romans

others getting that in the chat. Romans 3. And what's the next line?

3. And what's the next line? >> For all have sinned and fall short of

>> For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

the glory of God. >> Yeah. Is it for there's no distinction?

>> Yeah. Is it for there's no distinction? Have we said that already? Yeah. And

Have we said that already? Yeah. And then for all have sinned and foreshort.

then for all have sinned and foreshort. Let's see if you're right. Are you

Let's see if you're right. Are you ready?

ready? >> For there is no distinction. For all

>> For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory

have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified by his grace as

of God and are justified by his grace as a gift through the redemption that is in

a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Christ Jesus. >> Hey, well done. Well done you guys. And

>> Hey, well done. Well done you guys. And Jamie says, "I've memorized this song

Jamie says, "I've memorized this song and now I know it off by heart because

and now I know it off by heart because of the song." Praise God. That's that's

of the song." Praise God. That's that's why we put these songs out so that you

why we put these songs out so that you guys can listen to them regularly, get

guys can listen to them regularly, get them in your head, and then you know

them in your head, and then you know like entire sections of the Bible off by

like entire sections of the Bible off by heart, which is so good. And so I to

heart, which is so good. And so I to play those songs, you know what I just

play those songs, you know what I just did? I just went on to the needgod.net

did? I just went on to the needgod.net website.

website. That's what I did. I'll show it again.

That's what I did. I'll show it again. And then you just click on the music

And then you just click on the music page right here. And all the songs are

page right here. And all the songs are here. And you can just play them. And

here. And you can just play them. And then it just um you can shuffle them.

then it just um you can shuffle them. You can search for the songs that we

You can search for the songs that we have. They're all right there. It's

have. They're all right there. It's really cool. All right. Now, I'm going

really cool. All right. Now, I'm going to ask Edson, what's your bonus question

to ask Edson, what's your bonus question for us? Okay, so it's a true or false.

for us? Okay, so it's a true or false. Kane had a child called Enoch.

back. >> Yeah, I believe that's true.

>> Yes, the answer is true. You can almost guess it with Edson.

You can almost guess it with Edson. It'll be um if he's asking about it,

It'll be um if he's asking about it, it's probably true.

it's probably true. No, it's a good one. It's Yeah, Enoch is

No, it's a good one. It's Yeah, Enoch is mentioned a couple of times, isn't it?

mentioned a couple of times, isn't it? Uh in the Bible,

Uh in the Bible, someone said, "Was it Enosh?" Enosh was

someone said, "Was it Enosh?" Enosh was someone else who was in the lineage like

someone else who was in the lineage like before Enoch.

before Enoch. Yeah. Okay. Uh thanks. Thank you for

Yeah. Okay. Uh thanks. Thank you for that. And we have one from Harmony who's

that. And we have one from Harmony who's not here at the moment. She's got a

not here at the moment. She's got a bonus. Sneak in a bonus question in.

bonus. Sneak in a bonus question in. Thank you so much, Harmony. As a

Thank you so much, Harmony. As a something pants for for flowing streams,

something pants for for flowing streams, so pants my soul for you, oh God. Is it

so pants my soul for you, oh God. Is it a horse, a deer, an ox, or a goat? Paul,

a horse, a deer, an ox, or a goat? Paul, I'm gonna give this one to you.

I'm gonna give this one to you. >> I'm gonna say horse

>> I'm gonna say horse >> as a horse pants for flowing streams.

>> as a horse pants for flowing streams. Good try. It's not a horse, but they

Good try. It's not a horse, but they probably do pant for

probably do pant for >> um water. Um what do you think, Beck?

>> That's a deer. >> A deer. Nice work. Good job. A few

>> A deer. Nice work. Good job. A few people getting in the chat. Hold on you

people getting in the chat. Hold on you guys. Now the passage where this is from

guys. Now the passage where this is from is Psalm 42.

is Psalm 42. Let's bring this up. Psalm 42:1. As a

Let's bring this up. Psalm 42:1. As a dear pants for flowing streams, so pants

dear pants for flowing streams, so pants my soul for you, oh God.

my soul for you, oh God. There you go.

There you go. Nice work. And Paul, we get the

Nice work. And Paul, we get the privilege of hearing from you, man, on

privilege of hearing from you, man, on um you can play a song for us. sing us a

um you can play a song for us. sing us a song and then we'll get Edson to pray

song and then we'll get Edson to pray for us. Thank you.

for us. Thank you. >> Okie dokie.

>> Okie dokie. All right, here we go. See if you can

All right, here we go. See if you can guess it before it finishes.

guess it before it finishes. You may come to me the path of life.

You may come to me the path of life. In your presence there is fullness of

In your presence there is fullness of joy at your right hand of pleasures

joy at your right hand of pleasures forever more.

forever more. Psalm 16 11. No one guessed it before I

Psalm 16 11. No one guessed it before I finish.

>> Heavenly Father, thank you um for giving us another day that we do not deserve.

us another day that we do not deserve. Um thank you for sustaining the internet

Um thank you for sustaining the internet today. um we haven't been having

today. um we haven't been having technical difficulties. Please help us

technical difficulties. Please help us as we go and share the gospel. Help us

as we go and share the gospel. Help us to be gentle, kind, and patient, Lord.

to be gentle, kind, and patient, Lord. And please help us to do everything for

And please help us to do everything for your glory, Lord. Thank you again for

your glory, Lord. Thank you again for saving us. It's in Jesus name that we

saving us. It's in Jesus name that we pray. Amen.

Amen. Thank you for that there, Edson and Paul. Good singing there, Paul. We

and Paul. Good singing there, Paul. We miss. Yeah, we we like hearing you sing

miss. Yeah, we we like hearing you sing for us on stream like that. That's

for us on stream like that. That's really good.

really good. Okay,

Okay, so we get to go share the gospel fair

so we get to go share the gospel fair and far and wide right now. And um just

and far and wide right now. And um just before I do that, Pixel says, "Does God

before I do that, Pixel says, "Does God love all creation, even cancer, death,

love all creation, even cancer, death, etc." God has purposes in um for those

etc." God has purposes in um for those things.

things. He has a purpose in that. And then

He has a purpose in that. And then just a light fell down over here.

just a light fell down over here. Uh but yeah, he has a purpose in it. But

Uh but yeah, he has a purpose in it. But that doesn't mean that it was God's, I

that doesn't mean that it was God's, I guess, ideal for this universe to have

guess, ideal for this universe to have those sort of things. And guess what?

those sort of things. And guess what? There won't be those things in heaven.

There won't be those things in heaven. But he does love all people. And he

But he does love all people. And he loves doesn't mean he loves everyone

loves doesn't mean he loves everyone equally, but he does love all people. He

equally, but he does love all people. He sends rain on the just and on the

sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Yeah.

unjust. Yeah. Here we go. Someone said, "Is that Beck

Here we go. Someone said, "Is that Beck dancing? Is that why it fell?"

dancing? Is that why it fell?" So funny.

So funny. No, it just randomly fell.

No, it just randomly fell. >> That's so random.

>> That's so random. >> So weird. Anyway, let's go. And yeah,

>> So weird. Anyway, let's go. And yeah, those are the result of the fall.

those are the result of the fall. Exactly.

Exactly. And someone says, "Sickness is not of

And someone says, "Sickness is not of God." Well, God permits it at least. And

God." Well, God permits it at least. And he can he can even cause it. He caused

he can he can even cause it. He caused Miriam to get Oh, there you go. The

Miriam to get Oh, there you go. The light's back on.

light's back on. >> Caused Miriam to get leprosy. That was

>> Caused Miriam to get leprosy. That was God who caused that to happen. Well,

God who caused that to happen. Well, lights is off. Life light on, light off.

lights is off. Life light on, light off. That was so funny. All right, cool.

That was so funny. All right, cool. It's back on again. Thanks for that, B.

It's back on again. Thanks for that, B. Let's go share the gospel with some

Let's go share the gospel with some people now.

All right, let's open up Monkey. There it is.

it is. And

Carol says, "Another day at the disco." That's funny. Hey, we're going to do

That's funny. Hey, we're going to do viewer chats in a in a bit as well. So,

viewer chats in a in a bit as well. So, this opportunity to start thinking about

this opportunity to start thinking about if you want to come up for a viewer

if you want to come up for a viewer chat, but let's pray. And you guys put

chat, but let's pray. And you guys put your guesses in the chat of where you

your guesses in the chat of where you think this next person's going to be

think this next person's going to be from,

from, which we'll see you get that right.

which we'll see you get that right. Lord, please save this next person that

Lord, please save this next person that I speak to. Give me words to speak. May

I speak to. Give me words to speak. May they come to know your saving gospel. In

they come to know your saving gospel. In Jesus name we pray.

Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Hey, can I ask you Hey, can I ask you a question?

Eevee, >> hey, can I ask you a question?

>> hey, can I ask you a question? >> Hey guys, got a serious question. Do you

>> Hey guys, got a serious question. Do you guys believe that there is a heaven

guys believe that there is a heaven after we die?

after we die? >> Um, yeah.

>> Um, yeah. >> Yeah, I do as well. And so what do you

>> Yeah, I do as well. And so what do you think we've got to do to make sure we go

think we've got to do to make sure we go to heaven?

to heaven? >> Believe in God probably.

>> Believe in God probably. >> Yeah, we have to believe in God

>> Yeah, we have to believe in God >> and live and not be like Hitler

>> and live and not be like Hitler probably. That would be a good answer.

probably. That would be a good answer. >> True. Yeah, that would be good. So in

>> True. Yeah, that would be good. So in your life though, like have you guys

your life though, like have you guys ever told a lie before?

ever told a lie before? >> I can't tell you that. That's

>> I can't tell you that. That's >> like secret.

>> like secret. >> Secret.

>> Secret. >> I'm not going to say this. I'm just

>> I'm not going to say this. I'm just going to shake my head and we're going

going to shake my head and we're going to move past the question.

to move past the question. >> Okay. Because like the Bible says all

>> Okay. Because like the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the

have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Would you agree with that?

>> Repeat that. >> All have sinned.

>> All have sinned. >> Would you agree with that?

>> Would you agree with that? >> Like probably.

>> Like probably. >> Probably. Yeah, I know. I have. I'd be

>> Probably. Yeah, I know. I have. I'd be happy to tell you guys. I've definitely

happy to tell you guys. I've definitely told a lie in my life. Um more even more

told a lie in my life. Um more even more than one. Even God says we can't use bad

than one. Even God says we can't use bad language. Have you ever used a bad word

language. Have you ever used a bad word before?

sometimes. Yeah. >> No, I don't say bad words. I'm a

>> No, I don't say bad words. I'm a pilgrim.

pilgrim. >> A pilgrim. Okay. Never even once said

>> A pilgrim. Okay. Never even once said something you know you shouldn't have

something you know you shouldn't have said.

said. >> Nope. Yes, you have. Nope. You said that

>> Nope. Yes, you have. Nope. You said that >> because it would be a lie otherwise,

>> because it would be a lie otherwise, right?

right? >> Um and and even this like God says we

>> Um and and even this like God says we shouldn't get angry or be rude to

shouldn't get angry or be rude to people, but I think if we're honest,

people, but I think if we're honest, we'd probably agree that we've done

we'd probably agree that we've done those things as well.

those things as well. >> Sorry, what were you saying? I missed

>> Sorry, what were you saying? I missed what you said.

what you said. Oh, they ran away.

Oh, they ran away. Hey, can I ask you a question?

Hey, can I ask you a question? Hey, bro. Can I ask you a question, man?

Hey, can I ask you a question? >> Thanks, man. My question is, do you

>> Thanks, man. My question is, do you believe that there is a heaven after we

believe that there is a heaven after we die?

die? >> No. Okay.

>> No. Okay. >> You Why is that? Is that just how you're

>> You Why is that? Is that just how you're raised or is there a reason why you

raised or is there a reason why you don't?

don't? >> Oh, I'm agnostic, so I don't necessarily

>> Oh, I'm agnostic, so I don't necessarily not believe in a higher power. I just

not believe in a higher power. I just couldn't tell you what the higher power

couldn't tell you what the higher power is. I don't believe in religion, you

is. I don't believe in religion, you know, like with all the reading and

know, like with all the reading and research I've ever done, it doesn't make

research I've ever done, it doesn't make any sense to me. Uh,

any sense to me. Uh, >> yeah,

>> yeah, >> that's basically where I stand.

>> that's basically where I stand. >> Okay. Um, so would you you'd agree that

>> Okay. Um, so would you you'd agree that there's some sort of creator though that

there's some sort of creator though that made the universe, right?

something bigger than this. There's got to be something. I

There's got to be something. I just got

just got >> Appreciate that. Try not to sway if you

>> Appreciate that. Try not to sway if you can. Um, but yeah, I agree. There's a

can. Um, but yeah, I agree. There's a creator, too. Now, would you agree that

creator, too. Now, would you agree that he gets to then set the rules for how we

he gets to then set the rules for how we should live in his universe?

>> No, we all got our own free will. >> Okay. Now, we do have decision- making

>> Okay. Now, we do have decision- making ability and we can choose to do all

ability and we can choose to do all kinds of different things, but if ran

kinds of different things, but if ran away

away >> question

a question. >> Yo, what's up?

>> Yo, what's up? >> Hey, man. My question is, hey guys, do

>> Hey, man. My question is, hey guys, do you guys believe that there is a heaven

you guys believe that there is a heaven after we die?

after we die? >> Uh, yes, we believe in Allah. We're

>> Uh, yes, we believe in Allah. We're Muslims. We're Muslims. Oh okay. So now

Muslims. We're Muslims. Oh okay. So now do you believe that there um what do you

do you believe that there um what do you have what do you have to do to get to

have what do you have to do to get to heaven?

heaven? >> Uh you got to believe that there is only

>> Uh you got to believe that there is only one God Allah and uh you got to do good

one God Allah and uh you got to do good things in life and pray too.

things in life and pray too. >> And pray. All right. So would you say

>> And pray. All right. So would you say that you guys have been good people?

that you guys have been good people? >> Yeah. So far yes.

>> Yeah. So far yes. >> Okay. So like in your life have you ever

>> Okay. So like in your life have you ever told a lie before?

told a lie before? >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> Yeah. I've done the same. Or have you

>> Yeah. I've done the same. Or have you ever used bad language?

Unfortunately, yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate your honesty. Or

>> Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate your honesty. Or even this one. Have you been angry or

even this one. Have you been angry or rude to someone?

>> We've done We've done that, right? >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> Yeah. So, if God was to judge us based

>> Yeah. So, if God was to judge us based on these things, do you think that you'd

on these things, do you think that you'd be innocent or guilty?

>> Guilty as charged. >> Yeah. So, if we're guilty as charged, do

>> Yeah. So, if we're guilty as charged, do we deserve a reward or a punishment?

Uh, it depends. >> Okay. What do you think it depends on?

>> Okay. What do you think it depends on? >> Uh, if you did really bad things, then

>> Uh, if you did really bad things, then you should be punished. If not,

you should be punished. If not, >> yeah. Well, we have done that. We've

>> yeah. Well, we have done that. We've already done bad things. And if a guilty

already done bad things. And if a guilty is charged, we don't get a prize for

is charged, we don't get a prize for doing bad. Wouldn't it make sense we get

doing bad. Wouldn't it make sense we get a punishment?

>> Yes. >> Yeah. And so then does the punishment

>> Yeah. And so then does the punishment sound like heaven or hell?

sound like heaven or hell? >> Hell. Yeah. And we don't want to go

>> Hell. Yeah. And we don't want to go there because we know it's like a lake

there because we know it's like a lake of fire and it goes on forever. So what

of fire and it goes on forever. So what do you think you could do at this point

do you think you could do at this point so that you don't have to go to hell?

so that you don't have to go to hell? >> Stop doing bad things.

>> Stop doing bad things. >> Okay, that's a good idea. So let's say

>> Okay, that's a good idea. So let's say you did no more bad things at this point

you did no more bad things at this point on. Would that get rid of all the bad

on. Would that get rid of all the bad things that you've already done?

>> No. >> No, it wouldn't get rid of it, would it?

>> No, it wouldn't get rid of it, would it? So what we would need instead is we

So what we would need instead is we would need somebody else who could

would need somebody else who could actually take our punishment on our

actually take our punishment on our behalf. Cuz if someone took 100% of your

behalf. Cuz if someone took 100% of your punishment, how much punishment would be

punishment, how much punishment would be left for you to still get?

left for you to still get? >> Zero.

>> Zero. >> Right? So with zero punishment left,

>> Right? So with zero punishment left, then where would you get to go when you

then where would you get to go when you die?

die? >> In heaven,

>> In heaven, >> right? So based on this logic, why would

>> right? So based on this logic, why would you get to go to heaven?

you get to go to heaven? because somebody else took my

because somebody else took my punishment.

punishment. >> Yeah. Do you see how that makes sense?

>> Yeah. Do you see how that makes sense? It makes sense because then God gets to

It makes sense because then God gets to show us mercy because at least our fines

show us mercy because at least our fines paid for and and yet God's still shown

paid for and and yet God's still shown to be just at the same time. Do you see

to be just at the same time. Do you see that?

that? >> Yeah. And so we just need to accept this

>> Yeah. And so we just need to accept this man as a free gift that our punishment's

man as a free gift that our punishment's already been taken by God. God took our

already been taken by God. God took our punishment and so as a result we go to

punishment and so as a result we go to heaven if we trust in him. Now, what if

heaven if we trust in him. Now, what if you trust that God took your punishment

you trust that God took your punishment for you, but then you do five more sins

for you, but then you do five more sins again tomorrow? Do you think that you go

again tomorrow? Do you think that you go to heaven or hell?

to heaven or hell? >> Uh, hell.

>> Uh, hell. >> Okay. But with with God, do you think he

>> Okay. But with with God, do you think he only took the punishment for your past

only took the punishment for your past sins or also your future sins, too?

sins or also your future sins, too? >> No, past sins only.

>> No, past sins only. >> If it was only the past, but like

>> If it was only the past, but like couldn't he couldn't he take the

couldn't he couldn't he take the punishment for all of your sins? Every

punishment for all of your sins? Every every one of them?

every one of them? Yeah, he could.

Yeah, he could. >> And so therefore, I think if he takes

>> And so therefore, I think if he takes the punishment for 100% of our sins,

the punishment for 100% of our sins, then therefore that means even the ones

then therefore that means even the ones that we do tomorrow.

that we do tomorrow. >> So doesn't mean you should do sins. Sins

>> So doesn't mean you should do sins. Sins are still bad. But even if you did five

are still bad. But even if you did five more sin tomorrow, wouldn't you still

more sin tomorrow, wouldn't you still then go to heaven if you're trusting

then go to heaven if you're trusting what God did for you?

what God did for you? >> Yes, you you go to heaven.

>> Yes, you you go to heaven. >> Yeah. Exactly. Okay, that's good. All

>> Yeah. Exactly. Okay, that's good. All right. So then um what if you don't

right. So then um what if you don't trust that God took your punishment for

trust that God took your punishment for you? Then where would you end up?

you? Then where would you end up? >> Hell.

>> Hell. >> And so since you don't want to be sent

>> And so since you don't want to be sent to hell, when should you start trusting

to hell, when should you start trusting that God took your punishment for you?

that God took your punishment for you? >> Yes.

>> Yes. >> So would you say from today are you

>> So would you say from today are you going to trust that?

going to trust that? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense to you

>> Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense to you because what you were trusting in to get

because what you were trusting in to get you to heaven before was the fact that

you to heaven before was the fact that you tried to do good and you know your

you tried to do good and you know your actions. Basically, you're trusting in

actions. Basically, you're trusting in yourself to get you to heaven rather

yourself to get you to heaven rather than trusting in what God did to save

than trusting in what God did to save you. You see the difference?

you. You see the difference? >> Mhm.

>> Mhm. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a big difference. And so then

>> Yeah. It's a big difference. And so then if God if you stood before God today and

if God if you stood before God today and he asked you, "Why should I let you into

he asked you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" What do you think you'd say to

heaven?" What do you think you'd say to him?

>> Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. Okay, that's true.

>> Yeah. Thank you. Okay, that's true. That's true. And thank you for what?

That's true. And thank you for what? >> For

>> For uh I don't know.

uh I don't know. >> Well, thank you, I guess.

>> Well, thank you, I guess. >> Removing my sins.

>> Removing my sins. >> Yeah, removing my sins. That's Yeah,

>> Yeah, removing my sins. That's Yeah, that's a good thing. You can say you can

that's a good thing. You can say you can let me to heaven because you, God, took

let me to heaven because you, God, took the punishment for my sins on my behalf.

the punishment for my sins on my behalf. And so, thank you. That's why I get to

And so, thank you. That's why I get to go to heaven. Yeah, that's a decent

go to heaven. Yeah, that's a decent answer. Um, and so then I guess the

answer. Um, and so then I guess the question we need to ask then is how did

question we need to ask then is how did God take our punishment for us? Do you

God take our punishment for us? Do you think

think um do you know how he took it for us?

um do you know how he took it for us? >> No.

>> No. >> No. Well, basically because we're

>> No. Well, basically because we're humans, in order for God to take human

humans, in order for God to take human sins or human punishment, he chose to

sins or human punishment, he chose to even take on a human form. And he

even take on a human form. And he actually did that 2,000 years ago in the

actually did that 2,000 years ago in the person of Jesus. And he died. Wow. Ran

person of Jesus. And he died. Wow. Ran away at that point. Soon as I mentioned

away at that point. Soon as I mentioned the Jbomb, what happens? They got to

the Jbomb, what happens? They got to scoot out of there as quick as they can

scoot out of there as quick as they can because Muslims hate Jesus Christ. They

because Muslims hate Jesus Christ. They say that they love him. In reality, they

say that they love him. In reality, they don't love him at all.

Notice my strategy there. If I mentioned Jesus any sooner in that conversation,

Jesus any sooner in that conversation, they would have skipped. And so my

they would have skipped. And so my purpose as soon as they mention they're

purpose as soon as they mention they're Muslims, I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to

Muslims, I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to hold off the Jbomb mentioning the name

hold off the Jbomb mentioning the name of Jesus

of Jesus until

until I they actually understand the concept

I they actually understand the concept of the gospel." And so that's why I

of the gospel." And so that's why I mentioned God instead of Jesus and got

mentioned God instead of Jesus and got them to understand it and they they seem

them to understand it and they they seem to understand the message.

to understand the message. So then uh yeah, hopefully now they'll

So then uh yeah, hopefully now they'll think about it.

think about it. I'll pray for them. Uh heavenly father,

I'll pray for them. Uh heavenly father, we do want to pray for uh those two

we do want to pray for uh those two Muslim gentlemen from Cyprus,

Muslim gentlemen from Cyprus, the island that Paul visited. Lord, I do

the island that Paul visited. Lord, I do pray that you would be bringing them out

pray that you would be bringing them out of the deception of Islam to embrace the

of the deception of Islam to embrace the good news of Jesus. Have this complete

good news of Jesus. Have this complete forgiveness of sins if they put their

forgiveness of sins if they put their trust in Christ, what Christ has done.

trust in Christ, what Christ has done. In Jesus name we pray.

In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Uh let's see. Um Zepha says, "Do you think it would be good to ask them

think it would be good to ask them before mentioning it was Jesus who did

before mentioning it was Jesus who did that? That it is that it this is what

that? That it is that it this is what Jesus taught?"

Jesus taught?" >> That this is

>> That this is >> Oh, that this is what Jesus taught.

>> Oh, that this is what Jesus taught. Yeah. I asked them, "Who do you think?

Yeah. I asked them, "Who do you think? How do you think God did this?" And they

How do you think God did this?" And they just had no idea.

just had no idea. But I think if I mentioned though, did

But I think if I mentioned though, did you know this is what Jesus taught?

you know this is what Jesus taught? They'd probably still get out of there

They'd probably still get out of there though. As soon as you mention anything

though. As soon as you mention anything about Jesus, they get out of there. So,

about Jesus, they get out of there. So, at least they understood the concept

at least they understood the concept of the gospel and now they see it's

of the gospel and now they see it's Jesus. Hopefully, they'll think through,

Jesus. Hopefully, they'll think through, wow, that's actually that message is

wow, that's actually that message is attractive. It's really, really

attractive. It's really, really attractive. I would love if someone

attractive. I would love if someone could take my punishment. And you don't

could take my punishment. And you don't have that in Islam. You do got you've

have that in Islam. You do got you've got that in Christianity.

Yeah. So, have a look. Did anyone guess Cypress in the chat?

>> I doubt it. I doubt someone guessed this country. We rarely speak to someone in

country. We rarely speak to someone in Cyprus. This is where Paul first went on

Cyprus. This is where Paul first went on his missionary journey with Barnabas and

his missionary journey with Barnabas and John Mark. You can read about this in

John Mark. You can read about this in Acts chapter 13. So Paul left from

Acts chapter 13. So Paul left from Antioch, which is somewhere around this

Antioch, which is somewhere around this region here,

region here, around here, somewhere there. And then

around here, somewhere there. And then they caught a boat over to Cyprus. They

they caught a boat over to Cyprus. They preached here. This is where they also

preached here. This is where they also met the proconsel Sergius Paulus I

met the proconsel Sergius Paulus I believe his name was. And then you have

believe his name was. And then you have the guy who was opposing

the guy who was opposing um Paul's preaching. And then Paul made

um Paul's preaching. And then Paul made him blind as a result of that. You enemy

him blind as a result of that. You enemy of all righteousness. He says he makes

of all righteousness. He says he makes him blind for a time and then after

him blind for a time and then after going from Cyprus that's when they

going from Cyprus that's when they landed up here around here somewhere.

And it doesn't have doesn't have the labels there but yeah. So this is a

labels there but yeah. So this is a island that is mentioned in the Bible,

island that is mentioned in the Bible, Cyprus. Very cool, isn't it?

Cyprus. Very cool, isn't it? Very very cool. Yeah. Was that bar Jesus

Very very cool. Yeah. Was that bar Jesus the guy? Yeah. He was trying to oppose

the guy? Yeah. He was trying to oppose what Paul's saying.

what Paul's saying. Okay.

Sark mentioned only five minutes for a Muslim chat is fast. That's true. And we

Muslim chat is fast. That's true. And we got through like the gospel with them,

got through like the gospel with them, which is pretty amazing.

which is pretty amazing. All right. Now, we're going to have

All right. Now, we're going to have round two. So, no one got round one,

round two. So, no one got round one, which means round two counts even more.

which means round two counts even more. So, therefore, put your guesses in for

So, therefore, put your guesses in for which country this next person is going

which country this next person is going to be. Cuz it could be anywhere in the

to be. Cuz it could be anywhere in the world. It could be Cyprus, could be

world. It could be Cyprus, could be anywhere else in the in the world, even

anywhere else in the in the world, even places the Bible mentions.

Lord, please uh connect me right now with someone that you you want me to

with someone that you you want me to speak to. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.

speak to. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Quickly just Chase says, "Can I pray for

Quickly just Chase says, "Can I pray for an unbeliever that is deceased to go to

an unbeliever that is deceased to go to heaven?" It wouldn't do anything. You

heaven?" It wouldn't do anything. You cannot change where somebody ends up

cannot change where somebody ends up once they're dead. If they're already

once they're dead. If they're already dead, they're into eternity. And so

dead, they're into eternity. And so therefore, they're already in heaven or

therefore, they're already in heaven or hell depending on if they're a believer

hell depending on if they're a believer or not. So there's no no real reason to

or not. So there's no no real reason to pray for someone who's gone. Like

pray for someone who's gone. Like if you're in heaven, are you going to

if you're in heaven, are you going to pray for the unbelievers to get them out

pray for the unbelievers to get them out of out of hell?

of out of hell? No. Because God's already said they're

No. Because God's already said they're going to be there forever. So there'd be

going to be there forever. So there'd be no point praying for something which God

no point praying for something which God says is not going to happen.

Okay, here we go. Let's do it. Uh next chat. So I'll put that in as during

chat. So I'll put that in as during check-in questions. Two guys who were

check-in questions. Two guys who were Muslims. Glad to hear

Muslims. Glad to hear the gospel.

Yo, can I ask you a question? >> Yeah, bro.

>> Yeah, bro. >> Hey, thanks Garrett. Hey, my question

>> Hey, thanks Garrett. Hey, my question is, do you believe that there is a

is, do you believe that there is a heaven after we die?

I don't I don't know how to explain it, bro.

I don't know how to explain it, bro. It's it's it's kind of a weird like

It's it's it's kind of a weird like concept to wrap your head around

concept to wrap your head around >> in the same sense of

>> in the same sense of >> how you ask me that. It's

>> how you ask me that. It's >> okay. Yeah. I I personally would say in

>> okay. Yeah. I I personally would say in a hell

a hell >> but

>> but >> but

>> but I feel like it's the subconscious mind

I feel like it's the subconscious mind like

I don't like I said I don't know how to explain it bro it's like there but it's

explain it bro it's like there but it's like

like >> sure do you agree that there is a god

>> yeah I do as well and so because there's a god um would you agree that he can set

a god um would you agree that he can set the rules for how we should live in his

the rules for how we should live in his universe

Yeah. >> Yeah. And because we he can set the

>> Yeah. And because we he can set the rules, then that means after we die, he

rules, then that means after we die, he could judge us, right? Send us either to

could judge us, right? Send us either to a good place or a bad place, a place of

a good place or a bad place, a place of punishment. So, would you say you've

punishment. So, would you say you've been a good person?

been a good person? >> Huh? Have I been a good person?

>> Huh? Have I been a good person? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> No, me neither. I've sinned as well. So,

>> No, me neither. I've sinned as well. So, in your life, for example, have you ever

in your life, for example, have you ever told a lie before?

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Same. Have you ever been angry?

>> Yeah. Same. Have you ever been angry? Rude to somebody.

Rude to somebody. >> No. I'm always kind to people, bro. Cuz

>> No. I'm always kind to people, bro. Cuz I don't like, you feel me? I don't know.

I don't like, you feel me? I don't know. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> Where you come from or how you are as a

>> Where you come from or how you are as a person.

person. >> Yeah. I guess sometimes even when we

>> Yeah. I guess sometimes even when we tell lies to people, if we ever do that,

tell lies to people, if we ever do that, we're actually being rude or

we're actually being rude or disrespectful to them by not telling

disrespectful to them by not telling them the truth. You see that? Right?

them the truth. You see that? Right? Even God says we shouldn't even look at

Even God says we shouldn't even look at a woman to lust after her because that's

a woman to lust after her because that's like committing adultery with her in our

like committing adultery with her in our heart.

heart. >> So if God's going to judge you on all

>> So if God's going to judge you on all those things, would you be innocent or

those things, would you be innocent or guilty?

>> I'd be guilty. >> Yeah, me too.

>> Yeah, me too. >> The sins I've committed, you know.

>> The sins I've committed, you know. >> Yeah. So, because we're guilty, should

>> Yeah. So, because we're guilty, should we then get a re a reward or a

we then get a re a reward or a punishment?

>> I feel like it's forgiving, bro. I feel like you should repent.

like you should repent. >> We Yeah, we want forgiveness 100%. And

>> We Yeah, we want forgiveness 100%. And there is definitely a way to get

there is definitely a way to get forgiveness. But in just in terms of

forgiveness. But in just in terms of what we deserve, what would it be

what we deserve, what would it be though?

>> It's like a criminal who murders somebody. Wow. Now, that's a classic

somebody. Wow. Now, that's a classic Felix moment. Classic Felix moment

Felix moment. Classic Felix moment there. Unwilling to admit that he

there. Unwilling to admit that he deserves hell. I gotta get out of here.

deserves hell. I gotta get out of here. Now, what's a Felix moment for those who

Now, what's a Felix moment for those who are new to our channel? If you remember

are new to our channel? If you remember in the book of Acts, Paul dealt with the

in the book of Acts, Paul dealt with the governor Felix

governor Felix around about chapters 24 or so, I think

around about chapters 24 or so, I think 24 might be the chapter, Acts 24. And

24 might be the chapter, Acts 24. And Paul was sharing the gospel with him,

Paul was sharing the gospel with him, reasoning about righteousness,

reasoning about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment.

self-control, and the judgment. And then it says, "Felix was alarmed and

And then it says, "Felix was alarmed and said, "Go away for the moment. And when

said, "Go away for the moment. And when I want you back, I'll call you back."

I want you back, I'll call you back." That's a Felix moment where someone gets

That's a Felix moment where someone gets so gets really convicted about the

so gets really convicted about the message you're sharing and they go away.

message you're sharing and they go away. They run away. Don't want to hear it

They run away. Don't want to hear it anymore. That's what happened with that

anymore. That's what happened with that gentleman right there. So pray for him.

gentleman right there. So pray for him. Pray that God offens God softens his

Pray that God offens God softens his heart. Lord, may you bring that

heart. Lord, may you bring that gentleman in. May he come to realize

gentleman in. May he come to realize that he does not deserve forgiveness

that he does not deserve forgiveness whatsoever. None of us do. May he come

whatsoever. None of us do. May he come to realize he deserves your wrath. But

to realize he deserves your wrath. But then may he see that you offer

then may he see that you offer forgiveness through faith in Christ and

forgiveness through faith in Christ and what Christ has done. And may he come to

what Christ has done. And may he come to embrace Jesus for himself. In Jesus name

embrace Jesus for himself. In Jesus name we pray.

we pray. Amen.

Yes. Lord please save that person. Amen. And okay did anyone guess USA? Yes, we

And okay did anyone guess USA? Yes, we have few people guessing USA. Nice work

have few people guessing USA. Nice work all these guys in the chat. Look at you

all these guys in the chat. Look at you all getting USA.

all getting USA. Well done. Now we're going to have a

Well done. Now we're going to have a round three. So, we got a 10 winners or

round three. So, we got a 10 winners or so of round two. Round three of guess

so of round two. Round three of guess the country. Where's this next person

the country. Where's this next person going to be from? The conversation needs

going to be from? The conversation needs to last last at least two minutes for

to last last at least two minutes for you for it to count. Are you ready? Look

you for it to count. Are you ready? Look what Isaac said. I said wherever the

what Isaac said. I said wherever the Lord wills. That's Harmony's answer

Lord wills. That's Harmony's answer usually, isn't it? But I can't give you

usually, isn't it? But I can't give you any points for that, Isaac. Because yes,

any points for that, Isaac. Because yes, it was the Lord's will for it to be USA.

it was the Lord's will for it to be USA. But that would you just say that every

But that would you just say that every time and then you'd always win then.

time and then you'd always win then. >> All right, here we go. Lord, please

>> All right, here we go. Lord, please connect me with the next person you want

connect me with the next person you want me to speak with and may they stick

me to speak with and may they stick around and hear the good news.

>> Hey, can I >> Hey, bro. Sure. I got a serious

>> Hey, bro. Sure. I got a serious question. Do you do you believe that

question. Do you do you believe that there is a heaven after we die?

there is a heaven after we die? Um, yeah.

Um, yeah. >> Yeah. Great. Me, too. And so, what do

>> Yeah. Great. Me, too. And so, what do you think we've got to do to make sure

you think we've got to do to make sure we go to heaven?

we go to heaven? >> Um,

>> Um, I think behave well.

I think behave well. >> Yeah. Okay. So, be a good person.

>> Yeah. Okay. So, be a good person. >> Uh, follow God's rules.

>> Uh, follow God's rules. >> Okay. And have you done that pretty well

>> Okay. And have you done that pretty well yourself?

yourself? >> Not really.

>> Not really. >> Not really. And when you say God's

>> Not really. And when you say God's rules, is that like you're talking about

rules, is that like you're talking about in the Torah? Is that referring to

in the Torah? Is that referring to >> No, I'm I'm Christian.

>> No, I'm I'm Christian. >> Christian? Hey, awesome. I'm a Christian

>> Christian? Hey, awesome. I'm a Christian as well. And so that would just be

as well. And so that would just be whatever the Bible says, right?

whatever the Bible says, right? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Now I want to ask you then um in your

>> Now I want to ask you then um in your life, have you ever told a lie before?

life, have you ever told a lie before? >> I lied. I Yeah. I I did a lot of

>> I lied. I Yeah. I I did a lot of >> things that that I shouldn't do.

>> things that that I shouldn't do. >> Yeah. Me too. I've done I appreciate

>> Yeah. Me too. I've done I appreciate your honesty. You know, God says if we

your honesty. You know, God says if we look at a woman to lust after her, we

look at a woman to lust after her, we commit adultery with her in our heart.

commit adultery with her in our heart. Did you know that?

Did you know that? >> Yeah, I know. Yeah.

>> Yeah, I know. Yeah. >> Yeah. Even like hating hating someone is

>> Yeah. Even like hating hating someone is like murdering them in our heart. So if

like murdering them in our heart. So if God's going to judge you on all these

God's going to judge you on all these things, would you be innocent or guilty?

things, would you be innocent or guilty? >> Wait, ask ask that again, please.

>> Wait, ask ask that again, please. >> So yeah, if God was to judge you on

>> So yeah, if God was to judge you on these things, would you be innocent or

these things, would you be innocent or guilty?

guilty? >> I'd be guilty.

>> I'd be guilty. >> Yeah. So being guilty, should you get a

>> Yeah. So being guilty, should you get a reward or a punishment?

reward or a punishment? >> A punishment.

>> A punishment. >> And does that sound like heaven or hell?

>> And does that sound like heaven or hell? hell.

hell. >> Yeah. And we don't want to end up there

>> Yeah. And we don't want to end up there because a lake of fire. So, what do you

because a lake of fire. So, what do you think you could do at this point so that

think you could do at this point so that you don't have to go to hell?

you don't have to go to hell? >> Follow God. God's rules.

>> Follow God. God's rules. >> Let's say you follow the rules really

>> Let's say you follow the rules really well from now on.

well from now on. >> Does that fix the past bad things that

>> Does that fix the past bad things that you've already committed?

you've already committed? >> Um, it doesn't fix, but uh God uh God

>> Um, it doesn't fix, but uh God uh God forgives. So, he can forgive you but

forgives. So, he can forgive you but what for what you've done before. And

what for what you've done before. And >> and there is definitely a way to get

>> and there is definitely a way to get forgiveness. Yeah, but it's like this.

forgiveness. Yeah, but it's like this. If a criminal did, let's say he murdered

If a criminal did, let's say he murdered a person, he stood before a judge in a

a person, he stood before a judge in a court of law and said, "Judge, I'm so

court of law and said, "Judge, I'm so sorry. I won't murder anyone else from

sorry. I won't murder anyone else from now on."

now on." >> Would the judge let him go free?

>> Would the judge let him go free? >> Um, no. No.

>> Um, no. No. >> So, here listen,

>> So, here listen, >> there is

>> there is uh God is good. So, he he forgives. He

uh God is good. So, he he forgives. He knows the the person inside uh of what

knows the the person inside uh of what he really is. If he really knows what he

he really is. If he really knows what he really have done intentions

really have done intentions >> I don't think we had pure intentions

>> I don't think we had pure intentions though when we did those sins though we

though when we did those sins though we had selfish or sinful intentions right

had selfish or sinful intentions right >> you well if you have if you're doing

>> you well if you have if you're doing something then you you have intention to

something then you you have intention to you had intention to do it

you had intention to do it >> like in this verse here this is Romans

>> like in this verse here this is Romans 3:10 it says as it is written none is

3:10 it says as it is written none is righteous know not one so that's the

righteous know not one so that's the issue if God looks inside our heart he's

issue if God looks inside our heart he's going to that we're not righteous at

going to that we're not righteous at all. We actually sinners. And so that's

all. We actually sinners. And so that's why there is a way of forgiveness, but

why there is a way of forgiveness, but he doesn't base our forgiveness on us

he doesn't base our forgiveness on us being better, following the rules.

being better, following the rules. Otherwise,

Otherwise, we're relying on oursel to get to heaven

we're relying on oursel to get to heaven and not what God's done. Does that make

and not what God's done. Does that make sense?

sense? >> Uh that's that's that's true. I mean,

>> Uh that's that's that's true. I mean, we're relying on on ourselves to being

we're relying on on ourselves to being better uh for our for God to um judge

better uh for our for God to um judge us.

us. >> Yeah. Yeah. And do you see that's that's

>> Yeah. Yeah. And do you see that's that's not what we should do. We shouldn't rely

not what we should do. We shouldn't rely on ourselves because if none is

on ourselves because if none is righteous, know not one. And God's

righteous, know not one. And God's standard is not just be try be better.

standard is not just be try be better. This is his standard. This is Matthew

This is his standard. This is Matthew 5:48. You therefore must be perfect as

5:48. You therefore must be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. That's

your heavenly father is perfect. That's God's standard.

God's standard. >> Yeah, I know. But that's um you you

>> Yeah, I know. But that's um you you therefore must be perfect as your

therefore must be perfect as your heaven. Yeah, but like that's what God

heaven. Yeah, but like that's what God is asking you,

is asking you, >> commanding you.

>> commanding you. >> No, no, nobody nobody is is perfect as

>> No, no, nobody nobody is is perfect as God is.

God is. >> Yes, I agree.

>> Yes, I agree. >> He's asking us to do he asking us to be

>> He's asking us to do he asking us to be to his standards. But if we if we

to his standards. But if we if we cannot, he can um forgive us as as I

cannot, he can um forgive us as as I said before

said before >> cuz in the Bible it actually says that

>> cuz in the Bible it actually says that God will by no means clear the guilty.

God will by no means clear the guilty. So trying your best from now on isn't

So trying your best from now on isn't going to fix it because in the future

going to fix it because in the future we're still going to sin again, aren't

we're still going to sin again, aren't we?

we? >> I mean, if you follow God's rules, uh if

>> I mean, if you follow God's rules, uh if you don't sin, you you you can't I mean,

you don't sin, you you you can't I mean, you can't not sin,

you can't not sin, >> right? So if if if not so then if not

>> right? So if if if not so then if not sinning was the way to get to heaven,

sinning was the way to get to heaven, then none of us can go to heaven on that

then none of us can go to heaven on that on that basis.

on that basis. >> As I said, God is good. He forgives us

>> As I said, God is good. He forgives us for whatever.

for whatever. >> Does he forgive everyone or who does he

>> Does he forgive everyone or who does he forgive?

forgive? Uh he he know he knows what's what goes

Uh he he know he knows what's what goes what goes in our hearts what what's our

what goes in our hearts what what's our intentions are what do we do what um

intentions are what do we do what um what are we really inside

what are we really inside >> but don't but doesn't wouldn't that be

>> but don't but doesn't wouldn't that be worrying that what he knows what's going

worrying that what he knows what's going inside your your your heart and your

inside your your your heart and your head right now

head right now >> if if your if your intentions are really

>> if if your if your intentions are really if your intentions are really what you

if your intentions are really what you like if you are really pure

like if you are really pure from the inside, then there's uh no way

from the inside, then there's uh no way that that you don't go to heaven.

that that you don't go to heaven. >> But is that you? Are you pure from the

>> But is that you? Are you pure from the inside?

inside? >> I'm I'm not I'm I'm going to be 100% uh

>> I'm I'm not I'm I'm going to be 100% uh truthful with you.

truthful with you. >> I appreciate that. I'm not pure on the

>> I appreciate that. I'm not pure on the inside either. I don't think any human

inside either. I don't think any human being besides Jesus is pure. We're all

being besides Jesus is pure. We're all sinners. We all

sinners. We all >> evil in many ways. So that's why we

>> evil in many ways. So that's why we cannot we can't actually get forgiveness

cannot we can't actually get forgiveness by just trying to be pure, right?

by just trying to be pure, right? Heaven's not for good people. Heaven is

Heaven's not for good people. Heaven is for forgiven people.

for forgiven people. >> Yeah. True.

>> Yeah. True. >> So what God does, what we actually need

>> So what God does, what we actually need is we need someone who could take our

is we need someone who could take our punishment on our behalf.

punishment on our behalf. >> And that's what Jesus did.

>> And that's what Jesus did. >> Well, it's like if you

>> Well, it's like if you >> Oh, yeah.

>> Oh, yeah. >> You know, it's like you had a speeding

>> You know, it's like you had a speeding fine. If someone paid your speeding

fine. If someone paid your speeding fine, all of it on your behalf as a

fine, all of it on your behalf as a gift,

gift, >> then how much is left for you to pay?

>> then how much is left for you to pay? >> Yeah. Um, zero. zero. And that's what

>> Yeah. Um, zero. zero. And that's what Jesus did. If he takes 100% of your hell

Jesus did. If he takes 100% of your hell punishment that you deserve, then how

punishment that you deserve, then how much punishment is left for you to still

much punishment is left for you to still get?

get? >> Zero.

>> Zero. >> Right? And so then where do where then

>> Right? And so then where do where then do you get to go when you die?

do you get to go when you die? >> Uh heaven,

>> Uh heaven, >> right? So why do you get to go to

>> right? So why do you get to go to heaven?

heaven? >> Cuz Jesus uh No, now you're you're

>> Cuz Jesus uh No, now you're you're you're telling me that cuz Jesus died on

you're telling me that cuz Jesus died on on a cross for us. uh is that's why uh

on a cross for us. uh is that's why uh we should go to heaven.

we should go to heaven. >> Correct.

>> Correct. >> Even if we sin.

>> Even if we sin. >> Correct. So, not because we're pure,

>> Correct. So, not because we're pure, because we're not pure,

because we're not pure, >> but he was and he died for our sins, but

>> but he was and he died for our sins, but we have to accept that as a gift

we have to accept that as a gift >> by trusting in him that he's taken the

>> by trusting in him that he's taken the punishment for our sins. Does that make

punishment for our sins. Does that make sense?

sense? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, then let's say you trust this

>> Yeah. So, then let's say you trust this today that he's done that for you, but

today that he's done that for you, but then you sin again five times tomorrow.

then you sin again five times tomorrow. Do you think that you'd go to heaven or

Do you think that you'd go to heaven or hell?

Um, is if you're what you're saying that he died on a cross for us for us. If

he died on a cross for us for us. If like if that's what you're saying, then

like if that's what you're saying, then I might I I have I'm going to heaven.

I might I I have I'm going to heaven. >> Yeah, you're right. Because he died for

>> Yeah, you're right. Because he died for your past, present, and future sins if

your past, present, and future sins if you're trusting in him, which is so

you're trusting in him, which is so amazing. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean

amazing. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean you want to sin. Sin is still bad. Um,

you want to sin. Sin is still bad. Um, but what if you don't trust that he died

but what if you don't trust that he died for you? Where would you end up?

Uh, I mean still in heaven. >> Okay. But if you don't trust, he

>> Okay. But if you don't trust, he actually doesn't then take your

actually doesn't then take your punishment. He only takes your

punishment. He only takes your punishment if you trust that he's done

punishment if you trust that he's done that for you.

that for you. >> Oh,

>> Oh, >> you see that? So, it' actually be hell

>> you see that? So, it' actually be hell if you don't trust.

if you don't trust. >> And so, since you don't want to be sent

>> And so, since you don't want to be sent to hell, when should you start trusting

to hell, when should you start trusting that you're going to heaven because

that you're going to heaven because Jesus took that for you?

Um when I sin like I like >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> So we we should start

>> So we we should start >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right now. Exactly. That's a good

>> Yeah. Right now. Exactly. That's a good answer. Good answer. So then if you

answer. Good answer. So then if you stood before God today and he asked you

stood before God today and he asked you why should I let you into heaven? What

why should I let you into heaven? What do you think you'd say to him?

I would say like I have sinned a lot and >> I that I believe in God and I I don't

>> I that I believe in God and I I don't know. I haven't thought of that

know. I haven't thought of that actually.

actually. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I've

>> Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I've sinned a lot. But what's the reason why

sinned a lot. But what's the reason why we get to go to heaven even though we

we get to go to heaven even though we deserve hell?

deserve hell? >> Huh? I see that.

>> Huh? I see that. >> What was the reason why we get to go to

>> What was the reason why we get to go to heaven even though we deserve hell?

heaven even though we deserve hell? Um cuz Jesus died on a cross for us.

Um cuz Jesus died on a cross for us. >> That's the reason you got it. Exactly.

>> That's the reason you got it. Exactly. So then if God asked you, "Why should I

So then if God asked you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" What should you

let you into heaven?" What should you say to him?

say to him? >> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for us.

>> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for us. >> That's the reason. Good job. So does

>> That's the reason. Good job. So does doing good things play any part in

doing good things play any part in getting you to heaven?

getting you to heaven? >> No.

>> No. >> No. We still do good things, but we just

>> No. We still do good things, but we just don't do them to go to heaven. We do

don't do them to go to heaven. We do them to say thank you to him for what

them to say thank you to him for what he's done for us.

he's done for us. >> Thank you to him. Yeah.

>> Thank you to him. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, how sure are you out of a

>> Yeah. So, how sure are you out of a hundred that you're going to heaven when

hundred that you're going to heaven when you die?

you die? >> I don't know, maybe 20.

>> I don't know, maybe 20. >> 20%. All right. But how much of your

>> 20%. All right. But how much of your punishment did Jesus take for you?

punishment did Jesus take for you? >> 100.

>> 100. >> Yeah. So, then how much punishment is

>> Yeah. So, then how much punishment is left for you to still get in hell?

left for you to still get in hell? >> Zero.

>> Zero. >> Does that mean does that mean that if we

>> Does that mean does that mean that if we sin then we can just do whatever we

sin then we can just do whatever we want? That's a great question. That's a

want? That's a great question. That's a brilliant question. That's what the

brilliant question. That's what the Bible actually asked the question. So

Bible actually asked the question. So then, shall we keep on sinning so that

then, shall we keep on sinning so that grace may abound if we're forgiven by

grace may abound if we're forgiven by Jesus? And the answer is no. We don't

Jesus? And the answer is no. We don't want to. Why? Because we know that our

want to. Why? Because we know that our sins cost Jesus his life. So, do you

sins cost Jesus his life. So, do you want to keep on doing the very sins that

want to keep on doing the very sins that killed him?

killed him? >> No.

>> No. >> No. So because of our love for God and

>> No. So because of our love for God and the fact that we've been set free from

the fact that we've been set free from enslavement to sin motivates us to try

enslavement to sin motivates us to try and live differently even though future

and live differently even though future sins do not exclude us from heaven at

sins do not exclude us from heaven at all. Do you see that?

all. Do you see that? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So if you are trusting today that

>> Yeah. So if you are trusting today that Jesus paid for your sin, how sure can

Jesus paid for your sin, how sure can you be that you're going to heaven?

you be that you're going to heaven? >> 100%.

>> 100%. >> There you go. It's such a comfort. It's

>> There you go. It's such a comfort. It's such a joy knowing this. Yeah.

such a joy knowing this. Yeah. >> That's why we call it the good news of

>> That's why we call it the good news of the gospel cuz it's giving you that

the gospel cuz it's giving you that absolute certainty of heaven,

absolute certainty of heaven, >> right?

>> right? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> So then what if a friend told you that

>> So then what if a friend told you that he's going to heaven because he's a good

he's going to heaven because he's a good person? Would that friend go to heaven

person? Would that friend go to heaven or hell?

or hell? >> Uh depends on on who he believes in. No.

>> Uh depends on on who he believes in. No. >> Okay. True. Based on what he said, was

>> Okay. True. Based on what he said, was he believing in Jesus to get to heaven

he believing in Jesus to get to heaven or was he believing in himself to get

or was he believing in himself to get there?

there? uh in himself.

uh in himself. >> Yeah. Which means he doesn't have Jesus.

>> Yeah. Which means he doesn't have Jesus. So where does he end up?

>> I mean he might as well be believing in Jesus. But like he he is he is really a

Jesus. But like he he is he is really a good person. He does a lot a lot of good

good person. He does a lot a lot of good stuff.

stuff. >> Okay. But the key what it means to

>> Okay. But the key what it means to believe in Jesus is not just believing

believe in Jesus is not just believing he's a real person and died on the

he's a real person and died on the cross. What it means to believe in Jesus

cross. What it means to believe in Jesus is that I'm going to heaven only because

is that I'm going to heaven only because he died on the cross for me. So by

he died on the cross for me. So by somebody thinking that he's going to

somebody thinking that he's going to heaven because he's a good person, is he

heaven because he's a good person, is he believing in Jesus to get him there or

believing in Jesus to get him there or himself?

himself? >> In himself,

>> In himself, >> which means he doesn't really have true

>> which means he doesn't really have true faith in Jesus. So then,

faith in Jesus. So then, >> yeah,

>> yeah, >> he pays for his own sin. So where would

>> he pays for his own sin. So where would he go?

he go? >> Uh, hell.

>> Uh, hell. >> Yeah, it would be hell. Good answer.

>> Yeah, it would be hell. Good answer. >> Okay. So then, um, what if you had

>> Okay. So then, um, what if you had another friend though who said, "I think

another friend though who said, "I think I'm going to heaven because of Jesus and

I'm going to heaven because of Jesus and because I do good things." Where would

because I do good things." Where would that person go?

that person go? >> Heaven.

>> Heaven. >> Now, by trusting in two things to save

>> Now, by trusting in two things to save him, is he trusting 100% in Jesus or

him, is he trusting 100% in Jesus or only 50%.

only 50%. >> 100% in Jesus and another 100% in in

>> 100% in Jesus and another 100% in in himself.

himself. >> Well, you can't have 100% in two

>> Well, you can't have 100% in two different things. You're either relying

different things. You're either relying fully on Jesus or you're relying half or

fully on Jesus or you're relying half or partly on Jesus. No, I mean you you're

partly on Jesus. No, I mean you you're you're telling me that um

you're telling me that um like he he's believing in himself and in

like he he's believing in himself and in Jesus, right?

Jesus, right? >> As the reason. So he's thinking Jesus is

>> As the reason. So he's thinking Jesus is not enough to get me to heaven, just

not enough to get me to heaven, just trusting in him. So I'm also relying on

trusting in him. So I'm also relying on what I do to get myself up to heaven.

what I do to get myself up to heaven. No, but but we we should do good uh good

No, but but we we should do good uh good so we can pay like pay for Jesus's like

so we can pay like pay for Jesus's like uh dying on on the cross, right?

uh dying on on the cross, right? >> Yeah. We could never pay for that. It's

>> Yeah. We could never pay for that. It's a gift he gives to us. But I agree that

a gift he gives to us. But I agree that we should say thank you to him and

we should say thank you to him and that's why we do good things. So I'm

that's why we do good things. So I'm encouraging you definitely do good

encouraging you definitely do good things,

things, >> but I'm saying if you think that the

>> but I'm saying if you think that the good things you do play a part in

good things you do play a part in getting you to heaven,

getting you to heaven, >> then you're not trusting Jesus.

>> then you're not trusting Jesus. Yeah, that's yeah, if you bring it up

Yeah, that's yeah, if you bring it up that way that then it's then you're just

that way that then it's then you're just taking 50% and 50% like of the two

taking 50% and 50% like of the two things.

things. >> And so that's and that's the issue is

>> And so that's and that's the issue is that most people think that to get to

that most people think that to get to heaven, it's partly what they do and

heaven, it's partly what they do and maybe partly what Jesus does and and

maybe partly what Jesus does and and that's a rejection of Jesus. So think

that's a rejection of Jesus. So think back at the beginning of this

back at the beginning of this conversation, what did you think was

conversation, what did you think was going to get you into heaven?

going to get you into heaven? Um that being a good person that uh

Um that being a good person that uh brings me to to

brings me to to >> So if if you had died then before we

>> So if if you had died then before we talk today then where would you have

talk today then where would you have ended up?

ended up? >> In hell

>> In hell >> right but if you died this very moment

>> right but if you died this very moment where would you go?

where would you go? >> In heaven.

>> In heaven. >> Yeah. If your trust is in Jesus then

>> Yeah. If your trust is in Jesus then that would make this conversation a big

that would make this conversation a big turning point in your life wouldn't it

turning point in your life wouldn't it be?

be? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> That's so good.

>> That's so good. >> And I want to say thank you.

>> And I want to say thank you. >> Yeah my pleasure man. It's such a joy

>> Yeah my pleasure man. It's such a joy being able to share this with you. And

being able to share this with you. And as a result, this makes us love Jesus

as a result, this makes us love Jesus more and it makes us even want to read

more and it makes us even want to read the Bible. So, do you have a Bible at

the Bible. So, do you have a Bible at home?

home? >> Yeah. Yeah, I have like 10 or 20.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I have like 10 or 20. >> Wow. Okay, great. And so, do you read it

>> Wow. Okay, great. And so, do you read it much?

much? >> Uh, no.

>> Uh, no. >> No.

>> No. >> I I used to like when I was little, but

>> I I used to like when I was little, but right now I I I don't really got m much

right now I I I don't really got m much time.

time. >> Okay. Now, I think we all do have 24

>> Okay. Now, I think we all do have 24 hours in a day. So, we have time to do

hours in a day. So, we have time to do it. It's just about prioritizing what we

it. It's just about prioritizing what we think is most important.

think is most important. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And so, if we've

>> You know what I mean? And so, if we've ever got time to look at our phone in

ever got time to look at our phone in the day or go on the internet, then

the day or go on the internet, then we've got time to read our Bible.

we've got time to read our Bible. >> Maybe what you could do is you might

>> Maybe what you could do is you might even say to yourself, "No Bible, no

even say to yourself, "No Bible, no breakfast, no read, no feed." And

breakfast, no read, no feed." And that'll get you in the habit of reading

that'll get you in the habit of reading it. You could consider starting in the

it. You could consider starting in the book of John which is in the New

book of John which is in the New Testament part because it gives you a

Testament part because it gives you a good introduction to the life of Jesus,

good introduction to the life of Jesus, what he said and what he did. Do you

what he said and what he did. Do you think you try and make this a habit of

think you try and make this a habit of your life to read the Bible each day?

your life to read the Bible each day? >> Maybe. Yeah, maybe.

>> Maybe. Yeah, maybe. >> Okay. What Well, did Jesus only do a

>> Okay. What Well, did Jesus only do a small thing for you or did he do the

small thing for you or did he do the biggest thing ever?

>> I believe that he he actually did some great stuff to me.

great stuff to me. >> He did the biggest thing. the biggest

>> He did the biggest thing. the biggest thing ever. Yeah. For you. So then how

thing ever. Yeah. For you. So then how big should the part be that he has in

big should the part be that he has in your life?

your life? >> Uh 100%.

>> Uh 100%. >> Right. Which means if you eat food every

>> Right. Which means if you eat food every day to feed your your belly, then you

day to feed your your belly, then you should every day.

should every day. >> You should thank him. But that's how you

>> You should thank him. But that's how you talk to God in prayer. But how he talks

talk to God in prayer. But how he talks to you is through the Bible. And the

to you is through the Bible. And the Bible says that man doesn't live by

Bible says that man doesn't live by bread alone, but by every word that

bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.

comes from the mouth of God. So if you actually appreciate the

So if you actually appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus, you'll be like,

sacrifice of Jesus, you'll be like, "Yeah, I want to read his word to find

"Yeah, I want to read his word to find out more about him." You see that?

out more about him." You see that? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Do you go to church?

>> Do you go to church? >> Um, only on like

>> Um, only on like an like on special events,

an like on special events, >> right? Yeah. What kind of church do you

>> right? Yeah. What kind of church do you go to?

go to? >> Uh, I'm Catholic.

>> Uh, I'm Catholic. >> Catholic. Yep. And is that um in Israel?

>> Catholic. Yep. And is that um in Israel? You're in Israel?

You're in Israel? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. that there's many Christians

>> Yeah. Okay. that there's many Christians in Israel, do you think?

in Israel, do you think? >> Yeah, there's like about 100,000.

>> Yeah, there's like about 100,000. >> Oh, wow. Okay.

>> Oh, wow. Okay. >> There's not that many, but like there

>> There's not that many, but like there is. Yeah.

is. Yeah. >> Yeah. And so, um, let me ask you this.

>> Yeah. And so, um, let me ask you this. Does somebody need to get baptized or

Does somebody need to get baptized or spread the gospel to go to heaven?

>> I don't know actually. >> Not sure because those are good actions.

>> Not sure because those are good actions. It's good to tell others about Jesus and

It's good to tell others about Jesus and it's good to get baptized.

it's good to get baptized. But

But >> yeah,

>> yeah, >> are we saved by the good actions that we

>> are we saved by the good actions that we do?

do? >> No.

>> No. >> No. And so therefore, would you have to

>> No. And so therefore, would you have to do those things to go to heaven?

do those things to go to heaven? >> Um, no.

>> Um, no. >> No. Exactly. Um, and so always keep that

>> No. Exactly. Um, and so always keep that in the back of your mind that it's good

in the back of your mind that it's good to do good actions. I should serve God.

to do good actions. I should serve God. Stop trying to stop sinning and all

Stop trying to stop sinning and all those sort of things, but I don't go to

those sort of things, but I don't go to heaven because of them. They're not a

heaven because of them. They're not a requirement to get me to heaven. Yeah,

requirement to get me to heaven. Yeah, you're right.

you're right. >> When you've been at church, what have

>> When you've been at church, what have they told you there was the way to get

they told you there was the way to get to heaven?

>> Um, that we should praise God. Like we

that we should praise God. Like we should believe in God.

should believe in God. >> Yeah. Yeah. They probably mentioned

>> Yeah. Yeah. They probably mentioned believing in him. They might have

believing in him. They might have mentioned keeping the ten commandments.

mentioned keeping the ten commandments. >> Um, no, not really.

>> Um, no, not really. >> Or baptism or confession.

>> Or baptism or confession. >> Yeah, baptism. Uh, confession. No. Um,

>> Yeah, baptism. Uh, confession. No. Um, and yeah.

and yeah. >> Yeah,

>> Yeah, >> that's it.

>> that's it. >> So, often times in many Catholic

>> So, often times in many Catholic churches, what they'll say is that

churches, what they'll say is that you've got to do all these extra things

you've got to do all these extra things to get to heaven. They'll say that faith

to get to heaven. They'll say that faith in Jesus is not enough.

in Jesus is not enough. >> And so, what I would encourage you to do

>> And so, what I would encourage you to do is to check everything with the Bible.

is to check everything with the Bible. Make sure you hear whenever you're

Make sure you hear whenever you're there. If you ever hear someone speak

there. If you ever hear someone speak about God, check it with the Bible to

about God, check it with the Bible to make sure it lines up. But also, chances

make sure it lines up. But also, chances are a lot of the people in your

are a lot of the people in your congregation, the people that you know

congregation, the people that you know there may not know the way to get to

there may not know the way to get to heaven. Cuz if you ask them, your

heaven. Cuz if you ask them, your family, your friends about why they

family, your friends about why they think they're going to heaven, what do

think they're going to heaven, what do you think their answer would be?

you think their answer would be? >> Um, as I said in the start of this

>> Um, as I said in the start of this conver conversation, uh, that like what

conver conversation, uh, that like what from what they do, you know?

from what they do, you know? >> Yeah. Their actions. Yeah. And so,

>> Yeah. Their actions. Yeah. And so, because you don't want them to go to

because you don't want them to go to hell, what could you do to help them not

hell, what could you do to help them not go there?

go there? uh tell them about uh what you what you

uh tell them about uh what you what you just told me right now.

just told me right now. >> Exactly. Pass the message on. That's a

>> Exactly. Pass the message on. That's a good idea. And um yeah, and if if if you

good idea. And um yeah, and if if if you keep fighting at church, they keep

keep fighting at church, they keep telling you maybe it's your works, your

telling you maybe it's your works, your actions, maybe find a Christian church

actions, maybe find a Christian church that teaches that it's just Jesus alone

that teaches that it's just Jesus alone that saves us, not the good actions that

that saves us, not the good actions that we do.

we do. >> Yeah, that's important. But do you have

>> Yeah, that's important. But do you have any questions or any comments?

any questions or any comments? >> No, actually, thank you for uh this uh

>> No, actually, thank you for uh this uh conversation actually. Yeah, that's

conversation actually. Yeah, that's good, man. I'm really I'm really

good, man. I'm really I'm really encouraged that, you know, we've been

encouraged that, you know, we've been able to talk about this. So, just remind

able to talk about this. So, just remind me if God says, "Why should I not send

me if God says, "Why should I not send you to hell for the sins you've done?"

you to hell for the sins you've done?" What would you say to him?

What would you say to him? >> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for me.

>> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for me. >> That's the reason. That's exactly right,

>> That's the reason. That's exactly right, man. Good answer. And I'll share with

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things on there you can find encouragement.

encouragement. >> All right. Yeah, I I'll follow you. I'll

>> All right. Yeah, I I'll follow you. I'll 100% follow you. That's good, man. Yeah,

100% follow you. That's good, man. Yeah, >> thank you.

>> thank you. >> Super encouraging. Yeah, feel free to

>> Super encouraging. Yeah, feel free to check the YouTube live and stuff that we

check the YouTube live and stuff that we do there.

do there. >> Um, yeah, of course. My name's Ryan. Is

>> Um, yeah, of course. My name's Ryan. Is yours Hannah?

yours Hannah? >> Uh, Hannah. Yes.

>> Uh, Hannah. Yes. >> Hannah. Awesome.

>> Hannah. Awesome. >> It means uh mean it means John in in

>> It means uh mean it means John in in English.

English. >> Oh, wow. There you go. And I read, you

>> Oh, wow. There you go. And I read, you know, Yeah. He

know, Yeah. He uh his name was uh Yuana in like the the

uh his name was uh Yuana in like the the one who the the person who bapt baptized

one who the the person who bapt baptized Jesus

Jesus >> was his name was Johanna is in in like

>> was his name was Johanna is in in like in right here.

in right here. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> In Arabic. So yeah.

>> In Arabic. So yeah. >> So do you speak what So what languages

>> So do you speak what So what languages do you speak?

do you speak? >> Uh Arabic, Hebrew, and English.

>> Uh Arabic, Hebrew, and English. >> Oh wow, man. That's so cool. That's

>> Oh wow, man. That's so cool. That's really good.

really good. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Thank you. Well, man, I I look forward

>> Thank you. Well, man, I I look forward to seeing you up in heaven if your trust

to seeing you up in heaven if your trust is in Jesus. Just keep reminding

is in Jesus. Just keep reminding yourself every day,

yourself every day, >> I deserve hell.

>> I deserve hell. >> I'll follow you.

>> I'll follow you. >> Yep. Go for it. So, just keep reminding

>> Yep. Go for it. So, just keep reminding yourself every day. One, I deserve hell,

yourself every day. One, I deserve hell, but two, Jesus took my punishment, so

but two, Jesus took my punishment, so that's why I'm going to heaven. That's

that's why I'm going to heaven. That's always a good thing to remind yourself

always a good thing to remind yourself of and then now try and live for him,

of and then now try and live for him, avoiding sin out of gratitude to him for

avoiding sin out of gratitude to him for what he's done for you. But yeah, God

what he's done for you. But yeah, God bless you, man. Thanks for the chat.

bless you, man. Thanks for the chat. >> God bless you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

>> God bless you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. >> Have a good day. You too.

>> Have a good day. You too. Oh, wow. What an encouraging

Oh, wow. What an encouraging conversation that was.

Oh, so good. Guy in Israel. Did anyone guess Israel?

Guy in Israel. Did anyone guess Israel? No, I don't think anyone did. No one

No, I don't think anyone did. No one guessed Israel. Edson said the Vatican.

guessed Israel. Edson said the Vatican. Imagine that if it connected to someone

Imagine that if it connected to someone in the Vatican, but no, no one guessed

in the Vatican, but no, no one guessed Israel. That was a s two surprise

Israel. That was a s two surprise countries today. Cyprus and Israel.

countries today. Cyprus and Israel. Um, let's pray for for Hannah. Heavenly

Um, let's pray for for Hannah. Heavenly Father, do we pray for Hannah? Thank you

Father, do we pray for Hannah? Thank you so much for him understanding the

so much for him understanding the gospel, connecting me with him today.

gospel, connecting me with him today. May he rest in Christ continually for

May he rest in Christ continually for the rest of his life. And uh, help him

the rest of his life. And uh, help him to get to know your word better as he

to get to know your word better as he reads it, as he

reads it, as he tries to share the gospel with others.

tries to share the gospel with others. May you have give him courage and

May you have give him courage and strength and clarity in being able to

strength and clarity in being able to share that in Jesus name we pray.

share that in Jesus name we pray. Amen.

Amen. So good. What a privilege we have

So good. What a privilege we have Christians to share this life-changing

Christians to share this life-changing message with people even those who

message with people even those who profess to be Christians who may not

profess to be Christians who may not know the message of salvation.

know the message of salvation. All right, I'm going to pin that

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uh Diego. Welcome, Diego. >> Hi, Ryan. Hello. How are you?

>> Hi, Ryan. Hello. How are you? >> Hey, man. Good. Great to have you here.

>> Hey, man. Good. Great to have you here. What do you want to ask today?

What do you want to ask today? >> Yeah. So I'm I tried today to explain uh

>> Yeah. So I'm I tried today to explain uh the gospel on campus with some Orthodox

the gospel on campus with some Orthodox people who had to stand on

people who had to stand on >> and they kept on insisting that it had

>> and they kept on insisting that it had to include some sort of part where you

to include some sort of part where you had to maintain your faith yourself

had to maintain your faith yourself where it was like they didn't know if

where it was like they didn't know if they were going to stay in the faith. So

they were going to stay in the faith. So they had said, "Oh yeah, like salvation

they had said, "Oh yeah, like salvation is if we stay in the faith is if we

is if we stay in the faith is if we continue to stay in like like um you

continue to stay in like like um you know in accordance with what God wants

know in accordance with what God wants us to do." And I try to tell them that

us to do." And I try to tell them that like you know that's not that's not

like you know that's not that's not good. You know, you're not relying fully

good. You know, you're not relying fully on Jesus. But it it was sort of just

on Jesus. But it it was sort of just looping around and I didn't know how to

looping around and I didn't know how to like really get them on that point.

like really get them on that point. >> Yeah. because they think that you stay

>> Yeah. because they think that you stay in the faith by staying in the Orthodox

in the faith by staying in the Orthodox institution and keep on receiving the

institution and keep on receiving the sacraments.

sacraments. And that's not what it means to stay in

And that's not what it means to stay in the faith, staying in a particular

the faith, staying in a particular institution. Staying in the faith just

institution. Staying in the faith just means continuing to trust in Jesus that

means continuing to trust in Jesus that he died on the cross for your sins. So,

he died on the cross for your sins. So, you need to kind of correct their

you need to kind of correct their understanding of what it means to be in

understanding of what it means to be in the faith in the first place. It's not

the faith in the first place. It's not about going to church, even though it's

about going to church, even though it's good to go to church. It's about having

good to go to church. It's about having your trust in Jesus. And if they say,

your trust in Jesus. And if they say, "But how do you know your trust in Jesus

"But how do you know your trust in Jesus is going to continue to the end?" You

is going to continue to the end?" You can take them to First Corinthians 1:8,

can take them to First Corinthians 1:8, which tells us that Jesus Christ will

which tells us that Jesus Christ will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the

sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

day of our Lord Jesus Christ. >> He'll keep you to the end. So that's

>> He'll keep you to the end. So that's helpful. And

helpful. And ask them,

ask them, if Jesus takes 100% of your punishment,

if Jesus takes 100% of your punishment, how much is left? None. So where do you

how much is left? None. So where do you get to go? Heaven. So why do you get to

get to go? Heaven. So why do you get to go to heaven?

go to heaven? >> And then stress that he even took the

>> And then stress that he even took the punishment for your future sin. So how

punishment for your future sin. So how could a future sin exclude you from the

could a future sin exclude you from the kingdom of God?

kingdom of God? >> Yeah. And it was weird because I would

>> Yeah. And it was weird because I would tell them that point. How could a future

tell them that point. How could a future sin sort of condemn you? And they would

sin sort of condemn you? And they would agree with me on that. They would say,

agree with me on that. They would say, "Oh yeah, future sins can't do that."

"Oh yeah, future sins can't do that." And then they would just go straight

And then they would just go straight back to saying,

back to saying, >> "But yeah, you have to like continue in

>> "But yeah, you have to like continue in the faith. You have to like do this and

the faith. You have to like do this and that." And they kept saying like um like

that." And they kept saying like um like works of God. They kept saying on that

works of God. They kept saying on that and I was like

and I was like >> they're very inconsistent, aren't they?

>> they're very inconsistent, aren't they? Yeah. In that regard. When they say work

Yeah. In that regard. When they say work of God, what do you mean? Were they

of God, what do you mean? Were they saying as in their works are God's

saying as in their works are God's works? Is that what they're saying?

works? Is that what they're saying? >> Yeah. It I I tried asking them that and

>> Yeah. It I I tried asking them that and they were a little confused on that too.

they were a little confused on that too. They sort of agreed when I said it was

They sort of agreed when I said it was works from God, but then they would also

works from God, but then they would also say it was like their own works, but

say it was like their own works, but then they would also say that it's not

then they would also say that it's not earning their salvation. And it was so

earning their salvation. And it was so confusing.

confusing. >> Yeah. I was thinking about this last

>> Yeah. I was thinking about this last night. I was thinking about Gal uh

night. I was thinking about Gal uh Romans Romans 2 5 and 6, which talks

Romans Romans 2 5 and 6, which talks about how because of your hard and

about how because of your hard and impenitent heart, you're storing up

impenitent heart, you're storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath

wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be

when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He'll render to each one

revealed. He'll render to each one according to his works. Notice to his

according to his works. Notice to his works as in the works that we do. Right?

works as in the works that we do. Right? If you know how people say, "Oh, all

If you know how people say, "Oh, all these actions I do, they're all God's

these actions I do, they're all God's works. So, they're no longer your

works. So, they're no longer your works." Is that what you're saying? Yet,

works." Is that what you're saying? Yet, like Noah tried to use this verse of the

like Noah tried to use this verse of the debate to try and say, "See, you need

debate to try and say, "See, you need good works to go to heaven." But if

good works to go to heaven." But if they're not your works, Noah, then how

they're not your works, Noah, then how can you rely on this verse because this

can you rely on this verse because this is talking about the works that you're

is talking about the works that you're doing,

doing, >> right?

>> right? You see that? So they want to try and

You see that? So they want to try and say it's not their works to get around

say it's not their works to get around Ephesians 2:8 and 9,

Ephesians 2:8 and 9, >> but then they then destroy all the other

>> but then they then destroy all the other verses they want to rely upon which talk

verses they want to rely upon which talk about they all the passages they try and

about they all the passages they try and rely upon saying you need works to get

rely upon saying you need works to get to heaven.

to heaven. >> Right. So they can't have their cake and

>> Right. So they can't have their cake and eat it too. At least our p perspective

eat it too. At least our p perspective holds consistently to scripture. We can

holds consistently to scripture. We can incorporate every verse into our

incorporate every verse into our theology. They can't.

theology. They can't. >> Yeah. And there was a sort of another

>> Yeah. And there was a sort of another big point that they were sort of

big point that they were sort of stressing that it was it was as if

stressing that it was it was as if like Jesus like took all your sins. They

like Jesus like took all your sins. They said, "Oh, like that's like a violation

said, "Oh, like that's like a violation of my free will." And I like didn't

of my free will." And I like didn't really know what verse to like think of

really know what verse to like think of cuz I was like I know it's not really,

cuz I was like I know it's not really, but it's like I I really didn't know how

but it's like I I really didn't know how to respond because they always stress

to respond because they always stress this like oh free will. It's like it's

this like oh free will. It's like it's my choice to stay in the faith. And it

my choice to stay in the faith. And it it was I I really sort of blanked there,

it was I I really sort of blanked there, but I kept on trying to like loop it

but I kept on trying to like loop it back to the gospel. But

back to the gospel. But >> I would just ask them, how is it a

>> I would just ask them, how is it a violation of your free will to have

violation of your free will to have Christ, which was in the father's plan,

Christ, which was in the father's plan, for him to be crucified for sinners. Um

for him to be crucified for sinners. Um you from your perspective make the

you from your perspective make the choice to put your trust in Jesus. And

choice to put your trust in Jesus. And when you put your trust in Jesus, God is

when you put your trust in Jesus, God is not dragging you, kicking and screaming

not dragging you, kicking and screaming against your will, he's just changed

against your will, he's just changed Jules. He's he's made you willing. So

Jules. He's he's made you willing. So when a regenerated person hears the

when a regenerated person hears the gospel, they embrace it with faith

gospel, they embrace it with faith because they have had a heart changed by

because they have had a heart changed by God.

God. >> Yeah. I I just think they their

>> Yeah. I I just think they their arguments don't really make much sense

arguments don't really make much sense if they're trying to say that

if they're trying to say that >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> the crucifixion or the cross. In fact,

>> the crucifixion or the cross. In fact, some Orthodox people just will say that

some Orthodox people just will say that they think the whole idea of Jesus dying

they think the whole idea of Jesus dying for our sins is unjust. They think

for our sins is unjust. They think >> it's not. This is

>> it's not. This is >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Did they say that?

>> Did they say that? >> Well, I I told they asked me because I

>> Well, I I told they asked me because I was asking them, "How sure are you out

was asking them, "How sure are you out of 100 you'll go to heaven?" And then

of 100 you'll go to heaven?" And then they switched it on me, right? They're

they switched it on me, right? They're like, "Okay, how sure are you?" And then

like, "Okay, how sure are you?" And then I said, "Hundred." And then one of them

I said, "Hundred." And then one of them said it was like prideful for me to

said it was like prideful for me to assume that. And I said, "Well, it's not

assume that. And I said, "Well, it's not prideful for me to say that because I'm

prideful for me to say that because I'm actually relying on Jesus, not on

actually relying on Jesus, not on myself." And

myself." And >> there you go. Good answer.

>> there you go. Good answer. >> Yeah. Is it prideful to say that God is

>> Yeah. Is it prideful to say that God is ever faithful?

ever faithful? I know that God is ever faithful. No,

I know that God is ever faithful. No, that's not prideful,

that's not prideful, >> right?

>> right? >> That's just affirming who God is. Is it

>> That's just affirming who God is. Is it prideful to believe a promise that God

prideful to believe a promise that God has given you? No, that's just trusting

has given you? No, that's just trusting God. And so if God has given me the

God. And so if God has given me the promise of eternal life, for me to know

promise of eternal life, for me to know that I have eternal life is not pride

that I have eternal life is not pride because it's just trusting what God has

because it's just trusting what God has promised.

promised. >> It's really the opposite of pride. It's

>> It's really the opposite of pride. It's humility as you rest in Christ.

humility as you rest in Christ. >> Yeah. And there was this one more thing

>> Yeah. And there was this one more thing that they brought up. it was about um

that they brought up. it was about um deserving sort of to hear the gospel

deserving sort of to hear the gospel because one of them said I talked to

because one of them said I talked to them after

them after um they said like it was that everyone

um they said like it was that everyone deserves to hear the gospel and that

deserves to hear the gospel and that you know it's like I don't know it was

you know it's like I don't know it was some like emphasis on like God's love

some like emphasis on like God's love and I was like oh God's merciful God

and I was like oh God's merciful God wants everyone to hear the gospel it's

wants everyone to hear the gospel it's like everyone deserves to hear the

like everyone deserves to hear the gospel

gospel And you know, I tried to explain to them

And you know, I tried to explain to them that like, no, it's everyone actually

that like, no, it's everyone actually deserves to go to hell. And they would

deserves to go to hell. And they would agree with that, but then they would

agree with that, but then they would have say, "Oh, no, but Jesus actually

have say, "Oh, no, but Jesus actually just conquered death or something." And

just conquered death or something." And >> yeah, he conquered death by rising from

>> yeah, he conquered death by rising from the dead,

the dead, >> but that doesn't mean that everyone's

>> but that doesn't mean that everyone's going to hear the gospel or that

going to hear the gospel or that everyone deserves to hear the gospel. If

everyone deserves to hear the gospel. If we think that people deserve to hear the

we think that people deserve to hear the gospel, then it means that them hearing

gospel, then it means that them hearing it is not a gift. It's actually not by

it is not a gift. It's actually not by grace anymore because grace means

grace anymore because grace means undeserved kindness.

undeserved kindness. >> So if you deserve to hear the gospel,

>> So if you deserve to hear the gospel, then you're not hearing the gospel by

then you're not hearing the gospel by grace.

grace. >> Yeah, I see.

>> Yeah, I see. >> I see that. Yeah, that's good, man. I

>> I see that. Yeah, that's good, man. I appreciate Diego that you were out there

appreciate Diego that you were out there preaching Jesus Christ and these

preaching Jesus Christ and these conversations are good for you to help

conversations are good for you to help you um reflect on the gospel, how

you um reflect on the gospel, how amazing it is, but then also to know to

amazing it is, but then also to know to think of what what am I saying next time

think of what what am I saying next time and just to pray for them. You know, you

and just to pray for them. You know, you what you said seemed to be pretty good

what you said seemed to be pretty good >> and so just pray that God's spirit

>> and so just pray that God's spirit softens their heart, brings them to

softens their heart, brings them to himself.

himself. >> Yeah, I'll be they told me that they'll

>> Yeah, I'll be they told me that they'll be out again on Monday, so I'll try to

be out again on Monday, so I'll try to see them around that time.

see them around that time. Good on you, man. Hey, thanks for coming

Good on you, man. Hey, thanks for coming up, man. God bless you.

up, man. God bless you. >> Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. God bless.

>> Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. God bless. >> All right, let's bring up Emanuel who's

>> All right, let's bring up Emanuel who's next. Welcome, Emanuel.

next. Welcome, Emanuel. >> Uh, hello. Hello. Praise the Lord.

>> Uh, hello. Hello. Praise the Lord. >> Hey, man. Great to have you here. Yeah.

>> Hey, man. Great to have you here. Yeah. What do you want to ask about?

What do you want to ask about? >> I'm a recent Well, I would like to start

>> I'm a recent Well, I would like to start by saying like I'm I'm a recent uh

by saying like I'm I'm a recent uh subscriber. I've seen you for for a

subscriber. I've seen you for for a while and I appreciate what you're

while and I appreciate what you're doing, spreading the gospel, spreading

doing, spreading the gospel, spreading what God does

what God does >> and and yeah, like the only way to have

>> and and yeah, like the only way to have is through the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a

is through the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a well, you actually did a video of of the

well, you actually did a video of of the belief I have. I identify myself as a

belief I have. I identify myself as a Christian, but in deep forward I am a

Christian, but in deep forward I am a oneness Pentecostal Christian. I

oneness Pentecostal Christian. I >> okay

>> okay >> I my whole entire life I've grown up in

>> I my whole entire life I've grown up in uh uh sorry my whole entire life I've

uh uh sorry my whole entire life I've grown up in the witness Pentecostal

grown up in the witness Pentecostal community and in the apostolic church of

community and in the apostolic church of Mexico and I've learned about the

Mexico and I've learned about the oneness of God and many things and I

oneness of God and many things and I would like to say what do you believe

would like to say what do you believe specifically about God so you've

specifically about God so you've probably stated this in other episodes

probably stated this in other episodes you probably stated this in other

you probably stated this in other episodes but I would just like to reay

episodes but I would just like to reay like what you believe about God in the

like what you believe about God in the >> I agree that God is one. There's only

>> I agree that God is one. There's only one God, not five gods. One God, but he

one God, not five gods. One God, but he is definitely a triune God as scripture

is definitely a triune God as scripture talks about speaks about Jesus being

talks about speaks about Jesus being God, the father being God, and the Holy

God, the father being God, and the Holy Spirit being God and yet still being

Spirit being God and yet still being distinct persons as well. And so I think

distinct persons as well. And so I think oneness is a serious error just like

oneness is a serious error just like Jehovah's Witnesses have a serious error

Jehovah's Witnesses have a serious error of thinking Jesus a created being and

of thinking Jesus a created being and they deny his divinity. I'd say oneness

they deny his divinity. I'd say oneness is equally as serious of an error.

>> All right. >> But because because ultimately you said

>> But because because ultimately you said you've learned about the oneness of God

you've learned about the oneness of God from your church. Okay. I appreciate

from your church. Okay. I appreciate that.

that. >> But

>> But do you get it from the Bible from your

do you get it from the Bible from your perspective?

perspective? Um, you you may have some key texts that

Um, you you may have some key texts that they point to, but do they fit? Does

they point to, but do they fit? Does your understanding of God fit all the

your understanding of God fit all the texts of scripture, including the

texts of scripture, including the passages that give a great distinction

passages that give a great distinction between the father and the son?

between the father and the son? >> I honestly do believe it it does

>> I honestly do believe it it does specifically because the fact that like

specifically because the fact that like we well yeah, God I'm not first I want

we well yeah, God I'm not first I want to say I'm I'm speaking for myself. I'm

to say I'm I'm speaking for myself. I'm not speaking for the entire community,

not speaking for the entire community, but me reading analyzing, I've seen that

but me reading analyzing, I've seen that God manifested himself in flesh. Like he

God manifested himself in flesh. Like he God in general is a one being. We see

God in general is a one being. We see that in Deuteronomy 6:4 and many other

that in Deuteronomy 6:4 and many other passages of scripture where God is is

passages of scripture where God is is one and and then we see that God

one and and then we see that God manifests himself in the

sort of >> well in other passages of scripture of

>> well in other passages of scripture of the oneness of God and like Isaiah

the oneness of God and like Isaiah there's no there's no God next to me

there's no there's no God next to me that that does not imply the trinity

that that does not imply the trinity because I do understand that the trinity

because I do understand that the trinity is three persons in one being not three

is three persons in one being not three beings

beings >> so right having that So how do you how

>> so right having that So how do you how do you deal with like when I read

do you deal with like when I read through John 17 which is the high

through John 17 which is the high priestly prayer of Jesus I don't see how

priestly prayer of Jesus I don't see how you could read that thinking that Jesus

you could read that thinking that Jesus is the father

is the father right so for example verse 5 and now

right so for example verse 5 and now father glorify me in your own presence

father glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you

with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

before the world existed. So, do we see Jesus being called the

So, do we see Jesus being called the father here, or do we see a distinction

father here, or do we see a distinction between the father and Jesus here?

between the father and Jesus here? >> So, it says, and I'm reading from the

>> So, it says, and I'm reading from the screen right now. It's it's okay if I

screen right now. It's it's okay if I could reread the verse.

could reread the verse. >> Yeah. Yeah. Go for it.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. >> It says, "And now, Father, glorify me in

>> It says, "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I

your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."

had with you before the world existed." Yeah. I can say the father and the and

Yeah. I can say the father and the and Jesus are right now being talking in in

Jesus are right now being talking in in separate. But what I could say is that

separate. But what I could say is that oh obviously Jesus was a Jew. Jesus

oh obviously Jesus was a Jew. Jesus being a Jew he um he grew up believing

being a Jew he um he grew up believing in the monotheistic that there's one God

in the monotheistic that there's one God and that there's only one God we should

and that there's only one God we should serve. Understanding that then it says

serve. Understanding that then it says and father glorify me. So Jesus had that

and father glorify me. So Jesus had that glory before because he is God. Father

glory before because he is God. Father is referring because he's heavenly

is referring because he's heavenly father. He was the one that caused his

father. He was the one that caused his conception. He's an etern eternal God.

conception. He's an etern eternal God. That that's the way I

That that's the way I >> So like if I'm if I'm with you, right?

>> So like if I'm if I'm with you, right? If I'm like, "Hey, look, you and me are

If I'm like, "Hey, look, you and me are hang Emanuel and I are hanging out. I'm

hang Emanuel and I are hanging out. I'm with you, Emanuel. And Emanuel, can you

with you, Emanuel. And Emanuel, can you give me some of that glory that you had

give me some of that glory that you had or can you give me some soup or

or can you give me some soup or something like that?" Well, clearly you

something like that?" Well, clearly you and me are not the same being the same

and me are not the same being the same person. We are we are separate persons.

person. We are we are separate persons. You're a person over there. I'm a person

You're a person over there. I'm a person here. We're hanging out with each other.

here. We're hanging out with each other. Now Jesus, yes, he's the same being as

Now Jesus, yes, he's the same being as the father, but he's not the same person

the father, but he's not the same person as the father because it says glorify me

as the father because it says glorify me in your presence. So Jesus was in the

in your presence. So Jesus was in the presence of the father, which means

presence of the father, which means Jesus is not the father and it destroys

Jesus is not the father and it destroys oneness theology. Then

oneness theology. Then I was with you. If you are that thing,

I was with you. If you are that thing, you're not with that person.

you're not with that person. >> You are that person

>> You are that person >> because he was that the thing. Like an

>> because he was that the thing. Like an example, we see the that the

example, we see the that the manifestation sign. So like God could

manifestation sign. So like God could still could be in heaven and Jesus

still could be in heaven and Jesus Christ at the same time. Not referring

Christ at the same time. Not referring that there's two different persons, but

that there's two different persons, but referring that there's a two

referring that there's a two manifestations of God, but he can still

manifestations of God, but he can still be at the same time. It's not like the

be at the same time. It's not like the modalist modalism where we see that or

modalist modalism where we see that or you're the father or you're the son. No,

you're the father or you're the son. No, God can be the father and the son at the

God can be the father and the son at the same time, but that still imply that

same time, but that still imply that he's one, not distinguishing them on on

he's one, not distinguishing them on on person.

person. >> So in what sense is he with the father

>> So in what sense is he with the father if you think he is the father?

if you think he is the father? He's with the father because he he um is

He's with the father because he he um is God in general. Like the father is God.

God in general. Like the father is God. >> But how is he with father creator?

>> But how is he with father creator? >> If he is if he is the father then he's

>> If he is if he is the father then he's not with the father. He is just is the

not with the father. He is just is the father.

father. >> No. Yeah. Like he's with the father.

>> No. Yeah. Like he's with the father. He's it's an like the analogy that the

He's it's an like the analogy that the father is in heaven creator god. Then we

father is in heaven creator god. Then we have the son who's here. The god

have the son who's here. The god manifested in the flesh. And Jesus

manifested in the flesh. And Jesus >> hold up. But this is not talking about

>> hold up. But this is not talking about manifest in the flesh by the way. This

manifest in the flesh by the way. This is talking about him being with the

is talking about him being with the father in glory before the world

father in glory before the world existed. So this is prior to the

existed. So this is prior to the incarnation

>> and now yeah prior to inc incarnation. Yeah because still existed before before

Yeah because still existed before before the the birth of Jesus there was still

the the birth of Jesus there was still God. So and God being Jesus Christ manif

God. So and God being Jesus Christ manif manifest in the flesh he is still like

manifest in the flesh he is still like he had glory with the father. Has Jesus

he had glory with the father. Has Jesus always existed?

always existed? >> Well, yeah. Well, God has always

>> Well, yeah. Well, God has always existed.

existed. >> No, no, but I'm saying Jesus

>> No, no, but I'm saying Jesus specifically, has he always existed?

specifically, has he always existed? >> Well, back to the same thing. If if God

>> Well, back to the same thing. If if God if God in human form is Jesus, then

if God in human form is Jesus, then Jesus has always existed.

Jesus has always existed. >> Yeah. But this is talking about before

>> Yeah. But this is talking about before Jesus was born here on this earth, he

Jesus was born here on this earth, he was with the father.

was with the father. All right. Even before the entire

All right. Even before the entire universe existed at all.

universe existed at all. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> And so we see that there are distinct

>> And so we see that there are distinct persons clearly in the godhead. If you

persons clearly in the godhead. If you think Jesus is the father, this makes no

think Jesus is the father, this makes no sense. I had manifested your name to the

sense. I had manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the

people whom you gave me out of the world. You gave me, meaning I'm not you.

world. You gave me, meaning I'm not you. Jesus and the father are not the same

Jesus and the father are not the same person. Yours they were, and you gave

person. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your

them to me, and they have kept your word. See that? Verse six. And so

word. See that? Verse six. And so therefore that's showing if the father

therefore that's showing if the father is giving something to the son then the

is giving something to the son then the father and the son are not the same

father and the son are not the same person.

>> All right. Um before I continue well I I don't know how much time we have. I I

don't know how much time we have. I I know it's not a lot but I'm saying

know it's not a lot but I'm saying >> so but I just do you see these verses

>> so but I just do you see these verses destroy your position. And that's why

destroy your position. And that's why I'm just say I'm hoping that you'll be

I'm just say I'm hoping that you'll be willing to believe scripture on this and

willing to believe scripture on this and say, "Yeah, okay. My church is wrong

say, "Yeah, okay. My church is wrong when they taught me that Jesus is the

when they taught me that Jesus is the father

father because of even just this." And there's

because of even just this." And there's more passages we can go to, but just

more passages we can go to, but just while I just want to show you these ones

while I just want to show you these ones to start off with and that should make

to start off with and that should make you hopefully change your mind and say,

you hopefully change your mind and say, "Okay, I'm going to believe what

"Okay, I'm going to believe what scripture says here."

scripture says here." >> Oh, yeah. right now. So to start like

>> Oh, yeah. right now. So to start like not over but just like resay everything.

not over but just like resay everything. I am here to like learn. The reason why

I am here to like learn. The reason why I'm like I decide to even enter this uh

I'm like I decide to even enter this uh chat was to like be able to see your

chat was to like be able to see your opinion on this and like what it shows.

opinion on this and like what it shows. I also said what I like what I've what I

I also said what I like what I've what I believe in and yeah you're like you're

believe in and yeah you're like you're you're proving your your points. I can

you're proving your your points. I can give that and yeah for for and for and

give that and yeah for for and for and now the father glorifies. So like the

now the father glorifies. So like the way I would see it in that consideration

way I would see it in that consideration in that verse as I already stated is

in that verse as I already stated is that since Jesus is God and God has been

that since Jesus is God and God has been for eternal. So I I already stated my

for eternal. So I I already stated my point I already I understand what this

point I already I understand what this is going to but yeah like the reason why

is going to but yeah like the reason why >> but is Jesus the father is Jesus the

>> but is Jesus the father is Jesus the father.

father. >> Well the father is specifically talking

>> Well the father is specifically talking about the one who created the one

about the one who created the one eternal the son is specifically the god

eternal the son is specifically the god manifesting in the flesh Christ Jesus.

manifesting in the flesh Christ Jesus. >> No well Jesus is referred to as eternal.

>> No well Jesus is referred to as eternal. He's referred to as the creator as well.

He's referred to as the creator as well. >> No. Yeah, because Yeah, because he's

>> No. Yeah, because Yeah, because he's God.

God. >> And so therefore, is Jesus and the

>> And so therefore, is Jesus and the father the same person?

father the same person? >> I wouldn't know how to Well, what's

>> I wouldn't know how to Well, what's persons? I'll start with Becky. Can you

persons? I'll start with Becky. Can you explain what's persons? Because I really

explain what's persons? Because I really do not understand what's persons.

do not understand what's persons. >> So, how the reason why we say the word

>> So, how the reason why we say the word persons is because the Bible is clear in

persons is because the Bible is clear in teaching there's only one God. So, we're

teaching there's only one God. So, we're not polytheists. We are monotheists. We

not polytheists. We are monotheists. We believe in one God. But then we we read

believe in one God. But then we we read all these different passages in

all these different passages in scripture that speak about the father

scripture that speak about the father being God. Like even John 17:3

being God. Like even John 17:3 and this is eternal life that they may

and this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God. And that's

know you, the only true God. And that's is talking about the father here. Um we

is talking about the father here. Um we then see the son as being talked about

then see the son as being talked about as God as well. You got like Romans 9:5,

as God as well. You got like Romans 9:5, the Christ who is God over all bless

the Christ who is God over all bless forever. Amen. And then you got a

forever. Amen. And then you got a passage in let's say Acts 5 which talks

passage in let's say Acts 5 which talks about the Holy Spirit being God. You've

about the Holy Spirit being God. You've not lied to man but to God with Ananas

not lied to man but to God with Ananas and Safh because you lied by lying to

and Safh because you lied by lying to the Holy Spirit. So equating the Holy

the Holy Spirit. So equating the Holy Spirit then as God. So we have all these

Spirit then as God. So we have all these different passages that talk about the

different passages that talk about the father being God, the son being God, the

father being God, the son being God, the holy spirit being God. And yet

holy spirit being God. And yet u what what oneness or modalists will do

u what what oneness or modalists will do is they'll say okay that must be that

is they'll say okay that must be that God is sometimes he's the father,

God is sometimes he's the father, sometimes he turns into the the

sometimes he turns into the the manifestation of the son and sometimes

manifestation of the son and sometimes he's the manifestation of the spirit.

he's the manifestation of the spirit. And that doesn't make sense with the

And that doesn't make sense with the fact of we see the father and son

fact of we see the father and son coexisting

coexisting in glory even before the world began.

in glory even before the world began. John 17. So that destroys this

John 17. So that destroys this unmodalistic idea

unmodalistic idea that God is those three distinct

that God is those three distinct persons.

persons. And so maybe a person I'll help help you

And so maybe a person I'll help help you define it this way. A person is who you

define it this way. A person is who you are.

are. Your being is what you are. So what I am

Your being is what you are. So what I am is I'm a human being. That's what I am.

is I'm a human being. That's what I am. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> But who am I? Who am I? Well, that my

>> But who am I? Who am I? Well, that my name's Ryan. That's who I am. Ryan is

name's Ryan. That's who I am. Ryan is who I am. But what I am is I guess what

who I am. But what I am is I guess what my substance is. Oh, you're human being.

my substance is. Oh, you're human being. That's your substance. And so we see

That's your substance. And so we see that God is one in being. He's one what?

that God is one in being. He's one what? But he's three who's.

But he's three who's. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Who is So who is Jesus? He's a son of

>> Who is So who is Jesus? He's a son of God. What is Jesus? He's God.

God. What is Jesus? He's God. >> Oh, okay. Okay. So like persons is in

>> Oh, okay. Okay. So like persons is in referring to so just to get this

referring to so just to get this straight being is what what you are

straight being is what what you are right

right >> y

>> y >> and persons is

>> and persons is >> who you are.

>> who you are. >> Repeat that one again please.

>> Repeat that one again please. >> And persons are who you are?

>> And persons are who you are? >> Wouldn't persons even of who you are

>> Wouldn't persons even of who you are wouldn't that make the a distinction in

wouldn't that make the a distinction in the sense of like the tritheism if

the sense of like the tritheism if that's a name? Like wouldn't that make

that's a name? Like wouldn't that make the division

the division >> tritheism is the idea there's three

>> tritheism is the idea there's three gods. So that would be to say there's

gods. So that would be to say there's three beings. We don't think there are

three beings. We don't think there are three beings. We see we see that father,

three beings. We see we see that father, son, holy spirit are the one being same

son, holy spirit are the one being same substance

substance >> but they are still three who's because

>> but they are still three who's because we see communication. Jesus talking to

we see communication. Jesus talking to his father, the father speaking back to

his father, the father speaking back to his son. Clearly he's not he's not

his son. Clearly he's not he's not talking about himself. He's not praying

talking about himself. He's not praying to himself even.

to himself even. >> Right. Yeah,

>> Right. Yeah, >> even Jesus saying I'm going to send the

>> even Jesus saying I'm going to send the spirit.

spirit. >> It's clearly the spirit is not Jesus

>> It's clearly the spirit is not Jesus then.

then. >> Oh, okay. So, in that area you would say

>> Oh, okay. So, in that area you would say that.

that. >> So, person and being, that's the

>> So, person and being, that's the difference. That's what makes the the

difference. That's what makes the the three persons one God. So, God is the

three persons one God. So, God is the being, three persons is the distinction.

being, three persons is the distinction. Yeah. Because before I would even want

Yeah. Because before I would even want to make a claim, I started realizing

to make a claim, I started realizing that I would like the reason why I'm

that I would like the reason why I'm even here is I actually want to know

even here is I actually want to know like what different people I guess

like what different people I guess believe in. And that what's a trinity

believe in. And that what's a trinity like? Yeah. Like I didn't come here to

like? Yeah. Like I didn't come here to >> before starting I wouldn't I didn't come

>> before starting I wouldn't I didn't come here to debate. I came here to learn.

here to debate. I came here to learn. >> I didn't come here to become like a fool

>> I didn't come here to become like a fool in the internet and saying oh like this

in the internet and saying oh like this guy in the internet debate that went

guy in the internet debate that went against me god.net and God this and that

against me god.net and God this and that and this happened and this. No, I'm I'm

and this happened and this. No, I'm I'm here to learn. I'm here to like know

here to learn. I'm here to like know what you believe in. And that's and

what you believe in. And that's and that's a fair point.

that's a fair point. >> Yeah. And what what's going I've shown

>> Yeah. And what what's going I've shown you some passages already and there's

you some passages already and there's more I could show you. But in what I've

more I could show you. But in what I've shown you is that sufficient for you to

shown you is that sufficient for you to believe then okay it makes sense that

believe then okay it makes sense that Jesus is not the father and that that

Jesus is not the father and that that father son holy spirit not three

father son holy spirit not three manifestations of god which take

manifestations of god which take different appearances at different times

different appearances at different times but simultaneously

but simultaneously god is those three distinct persons

god is those three distinct persons father son and spirit

father son and spirit >> I would say I would have to like know a

>> I would say I would have to like know a little a little more about

little a little more about >> like in what sense though what would you

>> like in what sense though what would you >> I won't give you a

>> I won't give you a >> what would convince you though Well,

>> what would convince you though Well, when you say learn a little bit more,

when you say learn a little bit more, learn a bit more about what if if

learn a bit more about what if if already the passages have shown you like

already the passages have shown you like show this point. Wouldn't it be

show this point. Wouldn't it be sufficient already to believe it?

sufficient already to believe it? >> As as I state, I would need to know more

>> As as I state, I would need to know more about what is what is what more about

about what is what is what more about the person's God, more about the Bible

the person's God, more about the Bible in that area because I I still like in

in that area because I I still like in that area, I would still see the oneness

that area, I would still see the oneness of God in a proper not that far back

of God in a proper not that far back view. It wouldn't go that far back.

view. It wouldn't go that far back. Maybe I'll ask you this question as

Maybe I'll ask you this question as well. Who is the God of Jesus Christ?

>> God. Wait, so I I don't I don't understand the question.

understand the question. >> On the oneness view, it's impossible for

>> On the oneness view, it's impossible for Jesus Christ to have a god,

>> right? Because they think that on the oneness view, it's impossible for Jesus

oneness view, it's impossible for Jesus Christ to

Christ to um have a god.

um have a god. >> Well, Jesus

>> Well, Jesus They're equating they always equate

They're equating they always equate Jesus with the father. They say the

Jesus with the father. They say the father is Jesus. Jesus the father.

father is Jesus. Jesus the father. >> But there are numerous passages where

>> But there are numerous passages where Jesus and other parts of the of the New

Jesus and other parts of the of the New Testament describe

Testament describe Jesus has a god and it's the father.

Jesus has a god and it's the father. >> Have a look.

>> Have a look. >> Do do not do not cling to me for I have

>> Do do not do not cling to me for I have not yet ascended to the father. But go

not yet ascended to the father. But go to my brothers and say to them I am

to my brothers and say to them I am ascending to my father and your father

ascending to my father and your father to my god and your god. The oneness view

to my god and your god. The oneness view can't fit that with their theology. They

can't fit that with their theology. They can they say no the father Jesus cannot

can they say no the father Jesus cannot have a god of himself. But Jesus says

have a god of himself. But Jesus says yes he has a god of himself. It's the

yes he has a god of himself. It's the father.

father. >> Well the thing about it is that yeah so

>> Well the thing about it is that yeah so the Jews have one god. They believe in

the Jews have one god. They believe in in their one god. I I would say well if

in their one god. I I would say well if in scripture he's known as the lord like

in scripture he's known as the lord like I'll capitalize there's one there's one

I'll capitalize there's one there's one god the Jews worship. Jesus being born

god the Jews worship. Jesus being born as a Jew. He worshiped that one god.

as a Jew. He worshiped that one god. Jesus is God, but he's still referring

Jesus is God, but he's still referring to, okay, that God that you serve is the

to, okay, that God that you serve is the same one I serve. So that would still

same one I serve. So that would still make sense even in the manifestation

make sense even in the manifestation area because if God manifest in the

area because if God manifest in the flesh, he's still a human being. He

flesh, he's still a human being. He still goes to arrest.

still goes to arrest. >> It it doesn't No, that doesn't make

>> It it doesn't No, that doesn't make sense though. Um, so this is even after

sense though. Um, so this is even after even after Jesus is gone, he's left

even after Jesus is gone, he's left here. We see, you know, Paul saying, we

here. We see, you know, Paul saying, we always thank God, the father of our Lord

always thank God, the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. And another passage says

Jesus Christ. And another passage says the god of our lord Jesus Christ. But if

the god of our lord Jesus Christ. But if Jesus is the father on the oneness view,

Jesus is the father on the oneness view, how could the father or how could how

how could the father or how could how could he say the god of our lord Jesus

could he say the god of our lord Jesus Christ or the father of our lord Jesus

Christ or the father of our lord Jesus Christ if they are the same uh person?

Christ if they are the same uh person? And

And if you mention you mentioned Yahweh

if you mention you mentioned Yahweh before, but we see Yahweh

before, but we see Yahweh can if we look at Revelation for

can if we look at Revelation for example, Yahweh is equated Jesus equated

example, Yahweh is equated Jesus equated with being Yahweh,

with being Yahweh, right? If you

right? If you I I think all the passages of scripture

I I think all the passages of scripture are best explained by the trinity and

are best explained by the trinity and yeah definitely encourage you look

yeah definitely encourage you look further into this because this is a key

further into this because this is a key issue. We you don't want to get this

issue. We you don't want to get this issue wrong. It is important one. But I

issue wrong. It is important one. But I think with oneness, it's not only that

think with oneness, it's not only that their denial of the Trinity, which I

their denial of the Trinity, which I would say is a major issue. I think it's

would say is a major issue. I think it's also their insistence on requiring

also their insistence on requiring baptism and speaking in tongues to be

baptism and speaking in tongues to be saved.

saved. >> No. Yeah. For for the moment, it was

>> No. Yeah. For for the moment, it was just more about the the oneness. I did

just more about the the oneness. I did want to learn a little bit of like your

want to learn a little bit of like your stance on it, especially because I

stance on it, especially because I barely I barely subscribed yesterday.

barely I barely subscribed yesterday. Literally yesterday. So, I've never

Literally yesterday. So, I've never really watch.

really watch. >> So, I want to ask you though, I want to

>> So, I want to ask you though, I want to ask you though, so why do you think God

ask you though, so why do you think God let you into heaven? because this is

let you into heaven? because this is going to be the key thing because the

going to be the key thing because the trinity is important. I agree. But how

trinity is important. I agree. But how what you're relying upon to get you to

what you're relying upon to get you to heaven is even like equally as important

heaven is even like equally as important if not more. Like so it's very important

if not more. Like so it's very important to talk about this subject. So

to talk about this subject. So >> why do you think you'll go to heaven?

>> why do you think you'll go to heaven? >> I'll say this that

>> I'll say this that I

so on the thing of heaven. Yes, I do believe in heaven and hell.

believe in heaven and hell. I believe that

I believe that I deserve hell. That we all deserve

I deserve hell. That we all deserve hell. We've all done horrible. We've

hell. We've all done horrible. We've Well, people can say, "Oh, like, oh, I

Well, people can say, "Oh, like, oh, I didn't do this. I didn't do that." No,

didn't do this. I didn't do that." No, but we all did bad things. We've all

but we all did bad things. We've all done many. None of us is perfect except

done many. None of us is perfect except God.

God. The reason why I was someone would ask

The reason why I was someone would ask me, "Oh, why why would you go to

me, "Oh, why why would you go to heaven?" Is because the sacrifice that

heaven?" Is because the sacrifice that Jesus did to me for me in that cross.

Jesus did to me for me in that cross. >> Yep. But that's not

>> Yep. But that's not but it's the important question is how

but it's the important question is how do you receive that forgiveness because

do you receive that forgiveness because yeah even uh like a Roman Catholic will

yeah even uh like a Roman Catholic will agree the sacrifice of Jesus is is is an

agree the sacrifice of Jesus is is is an important thing of saving them but they

important thing of saving them but they won't think it's sufficient or they'll

won't think it's sufficient or they'll think that the means by obtaining that

think that the means by obtaining that is not just through faith alone. So I'm

is not just through faith alone. So I'm curious what do you think is the means

curious what do you think is the means of obtaining the grace of salvation?

>> The grace of salvation. So, in scripture, we see I'm going to say I

scripture, we see I'm going to say I don't really have like all the the

don't really have like all the the points in my head right now. Like I

points in my head right now. Like I don't even have a a notebook in front of

don't even have a a notebook in front of me. Like I'm I'm just right now uh well

me. Like I'm I'm just right now uh well listening to your life. But I will say

listening to your life. But I will say that's like so scripture says you're

that's like so scripture says you're saved grace through faith.

saved grace through faith. >> Okay.

>> Okay. >> What a grace is a undeserved undeserved

>> What a grace is a undeserved undeserved gift. Like none of us deserve that gift.

gift. Like none of us deserve that gift. >> So is is faith enough? Is faith is is

>> So is is faith enough? Is faith is is that the only means like we just if you

that the only means like we just if you have faith are you saved?

have faith are you saved? So in this one I am going to say that

So in this one I am going to say that faith

faith and and it's not may you won't you may

and and it's not may you won't you may probably will not agree with me and many

probably will not agree with me and many people like have different views on this

people like have different views on this one like people some many people say uh

one like people some many people say uh baptism is for salvation some people say

baptism is for salvation some people say it's it's faith only what I see is that

it's it's faith only what I see is that well faith is going to cause you to get

well faith is going to cause you to get baptized faith is going to cause you to

baptized faith is going to cause you to do good things but the thing that's

do good things but the thing that's causing that is your faith like in

causing that is your faith like in general you can get baptized but if you

general you can get baptized but if you don't have faith And you're not that

don't have faith And you're not that doesn't really like

doesn't really like >> sure faith faith will lead you to give

>> sure faith faith will lead you to give to the poor. All right. Faith will lead

to the poor. All right. Faith will lead you to share the gospel. So

you to share the gospel. So >> like the spirit.

>> like the spirit. >> So then faith leads to the good work of

>> So then faith leads to the good work of baptism. Faith leads to the good work of

baptism. Faith leads to the good work of sharing the gospel. But is baptism and

sharing the gospel. But is baptism and sharing the gospel or even speaking in

sharing the gospel or even speaking in tongues are those requirements to be

tongues are those requirements to be saved?

So how would I explain?

how would I explain? So me personally I would say so an

So me personally I would say so an example if we look at a very known verse

example if we look at a very known verse like uh Acts 2:38

like uh Acts 2:38 uh Peter said repent be baptized in the

uh Peter said repent be baptized in the name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins

name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins and you and you receive the gift of Holy

and you and you receive the gift of Holy Ghost. I know we see other passages like

Ghost. I know we see other passages like John speaking to uh Nicodemus where he

John speaking to uh Nicodemus where he said

said >> yeah it's not about baptism there water

>> yeah it's not about baptism there water is not baptism. Yeah. John 3:16. Yeah.

is not baptism. Yeah. John 3:16. Yeah. It's just about believing in him.

It's just about believing in him. >> God so loved the world that he gave his

>> God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so whoever believes

only begotten son, so whoever believes in him shall not perish but have

in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Then in the same the

everlasting life. Then in the same the same passage, it also says that uh well

same passage, it also says that uh well when Jesus speaking Nicodemus like

when Jesus speaking Nicodemus like unless you're born from water and from

unless you're born from water and from spirit, you will not enter the kingdom

spirit, you will not enter the kingdom of God.

of God. >> And that's not water baptism. That's not

>> And that's not water baptism. That's not water baptism.

water baptism. >> But wouldn't that still be water?

>> But wouldn't that still be water? >> No. Born of water does not mention water

>> No. Born of water does not mention water baptism. So born of water, there's two

baptism. So born of water, there's two interpretations. Either it's the

interpretations. Either it's the sprinkling of water um meaning

sprinkling of water um meaning forgiveness of sins. Ezekiel 36 that God

forgiveness of sins. Ezekiel 36 that God sprinkles us with water by the hearing

sprinkles us with water by the hearing of the word and regeneration that

of the word and regeneration that happens by the spirit. So not water

happens by the spirit. So not water baptism or it's referring to natural

baptism or it's referring to natural birth and your um spiritual birth which

birth and your um spiritual birth which is what the next verse seems to

is what the next verse seems to indicate. So either one either way you

indicate. So either one either way you can interpret it. Neither of those

can interpret it. Neither of those interpretations

interpretations u would imply that's water baptism.

u would imply that's water baptism. Nothing in the context is about water

Nothing in the context is about water baptism. Christian baptism wouldn't be

baptism. Christian baptism wouldn't be instituted until Matthew 28:19 and 20

instituted until Matthew 28:19 and 20 with the great commission

with the great commission >> because

>> because >> John's baptism is not the equivalent of

>> John's baptism is not the equivalent of Christian baptism.

Christian baptism. >> Because of the great commission, what

>> Because of the great commission, what would you say? Why would there be

would you say? Why would there be baptism if it weren't for salvation?

baptism if it weren't for salvation? >> Same reason why in the great commission

>> Same reason why in the great commission he says teaching them to observe

he says teaching them to observe everything that I commanded you. That's

everything that I commanded you. That's a good thing, but it's not required for

a good thing, but it's not required for salvation to observe everything you ever

salvation to observe everything you ever commanded. He commanded us to be

commanded. He commanded us to be perfect. He commanded us to do all the

perfect. He commanded us to do all the amazing all these good things. But it's

amazing all these good things. But it's if you make those good actions the

if you make those good actions the requirement for salvation, you're trying

requirement for salvation, you're trying to be saved by your works and you won't

to be saved by your works and you won't be saved. And so baptism since that's

be saved. And so baptism since that's also a good work, if you think it's

also a good work, if you think it's going to save you, you're relying on

going to save you, you're relying on your works and not on Jesus to save you.

your works and not on Jesus to save you. >> Okay, that's do you agree that God can

>> Okay, that's do you agree that God can give a you agree that God can give a

give a you agree that God can give a command and it not be a requirement for

command and it not be a requirement for salvation?

What? >> Do you agree that God can give you a

>> Do you agree that God can give you a command, but that command not be a

command, but that command not be a requirement for salvation?

requirement for salvation? >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> And that's what baptism is. Baptism is

>> And that's what baptism is. Baptism is never tied in with how you get made

never tied in with how you get made right before God.

right before God. >> But to that would come the question, why

>> But to that would come the question, why why would Peter say uh be baptized for

why would Peter say uh be baptized for the forgiveness of sins?

the forgiveness of sins? >> Well, because the word for doesn't have

>> Well, because the word for doesn't have to mean to get. The word for can mean

to mean to get. The word for can mean because of like if I say you to you take

because of like if I say you to you take two aspirin for your headache. What am I

two aspirin for your headache. What am I saying to you?

>> Uh take two aspirin for the headache. >> So I've already got So the word for

>> So I've already got So the word for means what? To get a headache or because

means what? To get a headache or because you've already got one.

you've already got one. >> Because you already got one in that

>> Because you already got one in that example. Yeah, it would be because you

example. Yeah, it would be because you already got one.

already got one. >> And that's what Peter's talking about.

>> And that's what Peter's talking about. Acts 2:38. that people have already been

Acts 2:38. that people have already been cut to the heart. They've already come

cut to the heart. They've already come to faith in what Peter's saying. And so

to faith in what Peter's saying. And so therefore, they're like, "What now? What

therefore, they're like, "What now? What now do we do, Peter?" And so, repent, be

now do we do, Peter?" And so, repent, be baptized for in a sense of because of

baptized for in a sense of because of your forgiveness of your sins.

your forgiveness of your sins. >> Okay. Okay. That's that's a Okay. That

>> Okay. Okay. That's that's a Okay. That that mean the view that you gave is I've

that mean the view that you gave is I've actually never heard that one. That's

actually never heard that one. That's that's a good that's good to know. Like,

that's a good that's good to know. Like, okay. The four example, the the one you

okay. The four example, the the one you just gave of the I forgot the medicine,

just gave of the I forgot the medicine, but like for the for the headache. Okay.

but like for the for the headache. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Then to that another I would the last

>> Then to that another I would the last the last thing I would like to point out

the last thing I would like to point out about baptism it would be why why in the

about baptism it would be why why in the Bible it's always why do they do that

Bible it's always why do they do that exact for the yeah we have a 3,000 of

exact for the yeah we have a 3,000 of Pentecost like that get baptized we see

Pentecost like that get baptized we see the

the >> we see many other people in scripture

>> we see many other people in scripture getting baptized

getting baptized why even if Jesus commanded it I would

why even if Jesus commanded it I would still say like why what would be the

still say like why what would be the point of it if it weren't for salvation

point of it if it weren't for salvation it's a it's a genuine genuine question

it's a it's a genuine genuine question it's not like a oh like Yeah, this is

it's not like a oh like Yeah, this is good question.

good question. >> Yeah, because the Lord can give commands

>> Yeah, because the Lord can give commands to Christians without them being a

to Christians without them being a requirement for salvation.

requirement for salvation. And so, baptism is a very humbling act.

And so, baptism is a very humbling act. You have to get wet. And it's a great

You have to get wet. And it's a great way of declaring your faith to other

way of declaring your faith to other people. It's a way of symbolizing that

people. It's a way of symbolizing that you've died to your old self and you're

you've died to your old self and you're alive in Christ.

alive in Christ. And so, it's not what saves you. And

And so, it's not what saves you. And it's something that we ought to do. Just

it's something that we ought to do. Just like going to church regularly is what

like going to church regularly is what we're commanded to do. But if someone

we're commanded to do. But if someone makes going to church every week a

makes going to church every week a requirement for entry to heaven, then

requirement for entry to heaven, then they're basing their salvation on their

they're basing their salvation on their church attendance,

church attendance, on their works, and therefore that would

on their works, and therefore that would be a denial of the gospel of grace.

be a denial of the gospel of grace. And so

And so >> denying salvation

>> denying salvation >> like there's a difference between saves

>> like there's a difference between saves and denying baptism uh makes you not

and denying baptism uh makes you not saved. Like if you if you were to be not

saved. Like if you if you were to be not you but like if someone were to say I'm

you but like if someone were to say I'm saved through faith and they were to say

saved through faith and they were to say oh like do you want to be baptized as

oh like do you want to be baptized as Jesus commanded and he said no I don't I

Jesus commanded and he said no I don't I don't need it. I don't need baptism.

don't need it. I don't need baptism. Would that be denying salvation?

Would that be denying salvation? >> No it wouldn't. It would be a sin to not

>> No it wouldn't. It would be a sin to not do what God wants you to do, but it's

do what God wants you to do, but it's not denying salvation because salvation

not denying salvation because salvation is not based on our obedience. It's not

is not based on our obedience. It's not based on our works. Similar to how God

based on our works. Similar to how God commands all Christians to go and share

commands all Christians to go and share the gospel

the gospel and yet many Christians don't share the

and yet many Christians don't share the gospel. Does that mean they're denying

gospel. Does that mean they're denying salvation because they don't do that

salvation because they don't do that particular command of God?

particular command of God? >> Oh, okay. Okay. Now, now I I see I see

>> Oh, okay. Okay. Now, now I I see I see what you mean.

what you mean. >> Yeah. You see, if we we can't we

>> Yeah. You see, if we we can't we shouldn't think that that command is

shouldn't think that that command is more important than the share in the

more important than the share in the gospel command or it's more important

gospel command or it's more important than giving to the poor. Now, these are

than giving to the poor. Now, these are all very important commands and we

all very important commands and we should do all of them. But don't make

should do all of them. But don't make any of them a prerequisite to gain

any of them a prerequisite to gain salvation.

salvation. Right? So, it's something we ought to

Right? So, it's something we ought to do, just not a requirement. And so, if

do, just not a requirement. And so, if someone thinks it is a requirement,

someone thinks it is a requirement, they're not trusting in Jesus to save

they're not trusting in Jesus to save them. And therefore, they won't be

them. And therefore, they won't be saved. they'll miss out on heaven.

saved. they'll miss out on heaven. So, I want to ask you then, if you have

So, I want to ask you then, if you have your trust in Jesus today, but let's say

your trust in Jesus today, but let's say you're in the middle of doing a sin

you're in the middle of doing a sin tomorrow and then you died, would you go

tomorrow and then you died, would you go to heaven or hell?

>> Well, the thing about it is that Jesus already

the thing about it is that Jesus already Well, I would go

Yeah, I would go, well, yeah, Jesus died for my sins of tomorrow. Jesus died like

for my sins of tomorrow. Jesus died like when I accepted Jesus Christ. He's the

when I accepted Jesus Christ. He's the one that like he died for now sins,

one that like he died for now sins, present sins, and after sins. And you

present sins, and after sins. And you actually about that is it because like I

actually about that is it because like I said, it's not exactly like oh me me

said, it's not exactly like oh me me fighting you. No, I like something that

fighting you. No, I like something that you said because you said something

you said because you said something about that. You said why would Well,

about that. You said why would Well, obviously the question is different, but

obviously the question is different, but you said uh do you want to keep doing

you said uh do you want to keep doing what caused Jesus' death?

what caused Jesus' death? >> Exactly. And that yeah, I even wrote

>> Exactly. And that yeah, I even wrote that down. That's that's the only thing.

that down. That's that's the only thing. I had a little piece of paper and I

I had a little piece of paper and I wrote that down and that like that part

wrote that down and that like that part just stayed to me when you ask me that

just stayed to me when you ask me that question right now. Well, yeah. Like

question right now. Well, yeah. Like Jesus died for my

Jesus died for my >> sorry future sins, now sins, like past

>> sorry future sins, now sins, like past sins. Like Jesus died for my sins. Like

sins. Like Jesus died for my sins. Like that's and me accepting him as my Lord

that's and me accepting him as my Lord and Savior is like that's like me

and Savior is like that's like me believing that he's in control, not me.

believing that he's in control, not me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that

>> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that recognition of what Jesus has done for

recognition of what Jesus has done for us and faith in him leads us to want to

us and faith in him leads us to want to obey him because we love him. We've been

obey him because we love him. We've been forgiven so much and therefore that

forgiven so much and therefore that makes us want to love God so much and

makes us want to love God so much and therefore walk in obedience to him

therefore walk in obedience to him >> and yeah like

>> and yeah like >> and so that's

>> excuse me >> sorry so what were we saying? Oh, sorry.

>> sorry so what were we saying? Oh, sorry. Sorry for sorry to interrupt you

Sorry for sorry to interrupt you actually like more than once I've

actually like more than once I've interrupted you but that it's like faith

interrupted you but that it's like faith grace uh through faith like it's not

grace uh through faith like it's not about like works like there's nothing

about like works like there's nothing there's no real work. We know a person

there's no real work. We know a person could live a exactly perfect life. Well,

could live a exactly perfect life. Well, no one's perfect but you get what I mean

no one's perfect but you get what I mean like a perfect life and we know where

like a perfect life and we know where he's going to end up. It's like you have

he's going to end up. It's like you have the the thing that's saved is like Jesus

the the thing that's saved is like Jesus Christ. Nothing that you can personally

Christ. Nothing that you can personally do. It's not like a a good person

do. It's not like a a good person doesn't doesn't mean okay that's like

doesn't doesn't mean okay that's like that's heaven. No, you're being good

that's heaven. No, you're being good because of what Jesus did for you on

because of what Jesus did for you on that cross.

that cross. >> He he's the one that trans.

>> He he's the one that trans. >> Exactly. Right. And that's and that's

>> Exactly. Right. And that's and that's the same thing with baptism then, isn't

the same thing with baptism then, isn't it?

it? >> Well, yeah. It's like the after the

>> Well, yeah. It's like the after the after like what you're going to do. Oh,

after like what you're going to do. Oh, I'm

I'm >> We do it as a result. We do it as a

>> We do it as a result. We do it as a result. Exactly. We don't do it as the

result. Exactly. We don't do it as the means. And this is the issue is that

means. And this is the issue is that your church though says it's a

your church though says it's a requirement to be saved.

requirement to be saved. So that would actually make your church

So that would actually make your church preach a false gospel.

preach a false gospel. >> And that's another reason why I'd

>> And that's another reason why I'd encourage you to find a different

encourage you to find a different church.

church. >> I would say that well to like the whole

>> I would say that well to like the whole the whole uh thank you that to explain

the whole uh thank you that to explain not only the oneness of God but explain

not only the oneness of God but explain your views about salvation because I

your views about salvation because I actually didn't well I had I had an idea

actually didn't well I had I had an idea but I really didn't have an idea like

but I really didn't have an idea like I've never heard you speak. I've seen

I've never heard you speak. I've seen you in some shorts, but I have never

you in some shorts, but I have never heard you speak, especially one one one

heard you speak, especially one one one like even more like you being able to

like even more like you being able to listen to what I'm asking or or saying.

listen to what I'm asking or or saying. Hope I wasn't hope I didn't like

Hope I wasn't hope I didn't like disrespect you in any way possible. I I

disrespect you in any way possible. I I wanted to try

wanted to try >> No, that's fine. That's fine. But can I

>> No, that's fine. That's fine. But can I ask you this? I just want to make make

ask you this? I just want to make make sure we you understand this point. So,

sure we you understand this point. So, if somebody says, "I think I'm going to

if somebody says, "I think I'm going to heaven because of two reasons. Firstly,

heaven because of two reasons. Firstly, because Jesus died for me. And secondly,

because Jesus died for me. And secondly, because I got baptized." Would that

because I got baptized." Would that person go to heaven or hell?

>> Well, I would I would say he would still go to heaven because it's not that he's

go to heaven because it's not that he's depending on baptism, but he depend he's

depending on baptism, but he depend he's depending on it because of the fact like

depending on it because of the fact like the the fact of him mentioning oh

the the fact of him mentioning oh because I have faith in Jesus because he

because I have faith in Jesus because he died for me and he commanded me to get

died for me and he commanded me to get baptized so I'm going to get baptized.

baptized so I'm going to get baptized. So the thing about that

So the thing about that >> no what was in in my in my example what

>> no what was in in my in my example what were the two things he was depending

were the two things he was depending upon to get him into heaven

upon to get him into heaven >> ba? Well, uh Christ's uh death and

>> ba? Well, uh Christ's uh death and baptism.

baptism. >> Okay. So, he is depending one of the

>> Okay. So, he is depending one of the things is baptism to get him into

things is baptism to get him into heaven. So, therefore, is he depending

heaven. So, therefore, is he depending 100% on Jesus or any 50%.

100% on Jesus or any 50%. >> No, I could still say he's depending

>> No, I could still say he's depending 100% on Jesus.

100% on Jesus. >> No. If if he on his view, if he didn't

>> No. If if he on his view, if he didn't get baptized, he would have gone to

get baptized, he would have gone to hell. So therefore,

hell. So therefore, he's not depending 100% on Jesus. He's

he's not depending 100% on Jesus. He's depending 50% on his baptism as the

depending 50% on his baptism as the the the thing is the reason why he's

the the thing is the reason why he's going to heaven as opposed to the hell

going to heaven as opposed to the hell that he should have gone to. So it is

that he should have gone to. So it is depending upon baptism,

depending upon baptism, right? Or maybe I'll change the example

right? Or maybe I'll change the example to make it clearer. If someone says,

to make it clearer. If someone says, "I'm going to heaven because of Jesus,

"I'm going to heaven because of Jesus, because of Jesus, and because I've given

because of Jesus, and because I've given this amount of money to the poor, and

this amount of money to the poor, and those are the two reasons why God let me

those are the two reasons why God let me into heaven."

into heaven." >> Now, is that person depending 100% on

>> Now, is that person depending 100% on Jesus to get them to heaven or not?

>> No. >> No.

>> No. >> And that's the same thing with baptism.

>> And that's the same thing with baptism. Just just take the example of giving to

Just just take the example of giving to the poor and put smash baptism in there.

the poor and put smash baptism in there. same problem.

same problem. >> So you would say that baptism is like

>> So you would say that baptism is like there's a there's nothing to respond.

there's a there's nothing to respond. It's just a So you would say baptism is

It's just a So you would say baptism is a work.

a work. >> Of course it is. Yeah. Just works are

>> Of course it is. Yeah. Just works are any sort of external action that's

any sort of external action that's happening. And since that's an external

happening. And since that's an external hap action that's happening, the Bible

hap action that's happening, the Bible says we're not saved by works. We're

says we're not saved by works. We're saved by by grace through faith, not of

saved by by grace through faith, not of works. Ephesians 2:8-9.

works. Ephesians 2:8-9. >> Okay. that okay that that makes that

>> Okay. that okay that that makes that makes sense like what you're saying you

makes sense like what you're saying you you said your points yeah like so

you said your points yeah like so >> so so do you agree then if someone

>> so so do you agree then if someone thinks it's those two things faith and

thinks it's those two things faith and baptism do you agree that they go to

baptism do you agree that they go to hell then

>> but so like wouldn't the analogy of if Christ knows your your future sins

Christ knows your your future sins wouldn't that still apply to that

wouldn't that still apply to that >> no because Christ only paid for the sins

>> no because Christ only paid for the sins >> good question that's a good question

>> good question that's a good question Christ only paid for the sins of those

Christ only paid for the sins of those who would have their trust in Jesus

who would have their trust in Jesus alone to save, not in trusting in

alone to save, not in trusting in anything else. So, he didn't pay for

anything else. So, he didn't pay for everyone's sins. Most people still go to

everyone's sins. Most people still go to hell. But for those who depend only on

hell. But for those who depend only on what Jesus did to save, he pays for

what Jesus did to save, he pays for their sins. They go to heaven. But for

their sins. They go to heaven. But for those who think it's Jesus plus baptism

those who think it's Jesus plus baptism or Jesus plus circumcision,

or Jesus plus circumcision, Galatians 5:2, Paul says, "Christ will

Galatians 5:2, Paul says, "Christ will be of no advantage to you." I'll show

be of no advantage to you." I'll show you the verse.

you the verse. Paul says, "Look, I Paul say to you that

Paul says, "Look, I Paul say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will

if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. You are

be of no advantage to you. You are severed from Christ."

severed from Christ." Why? And what are they doing now? These

Why? And what are they doing now? These guys are not rejecting faith in Jesus.

guys are not rejecting faith in Jesus. They're saying, "Yes, have some faith in

They're saying, "Yes, have some faith in Jesus, but also you need to get

Jesus, but also you need to get circumcised, too." So, it's Jesus plus.

circumcised, too." So, it's Jesus plus. And what's the result? Christ doesn't

And what's the result? Christ doesn't save you. You end up in hell. And that's

save you. You end up in hell. And that's the same thing if you accept giving to

the same thing if you accept giving to the poor as a requirement. It's not

the poor as a requirement. It's not Christ alone, it's Christ plus. If you

Christ alone, it's Christ plus. If you accept baptism as a extra requirement to

accept baptism as a extra requirement to be saved, it's not Christ alone, it's

be saved, it's not Christ alone, it's Christ plus. And therefore has the same

Christ plus. And therefore has the same result of Christ being of no advantage

result of Christ being of no advantage to you.

>> So I feel like for myself, and I'm really glad that you're here, man. I

really glad that you're here, man. I really am glad that you're here. I see I

really am glad that you're here. I see I see this as

see this as >> snatching

>> snatching >> Yeah.

>> Yeah. >> you from out of the fire. That's what I

>> you from out of the fire. That's what I see.

see. >> I can see it. It's

>> I can see it. It's >> look.

>> So, there might be a lag with your connection because there's a big delay.

>> So, are you are you can you hear me? Is your how's your connection at the

your how's your connection at the moment?

moment? >> The not yet. Well, I will have to look

>> The not yet. Well, I will have to look at

at Yeah, I I could see the verse that I

Yeah, I I could see the verse that I heard everything you said

heard everything you said the last part.

the last part. >> Yeah. Uh

>> Yeah. Uh >> so yeah, it's cutting it is cutting in

>> so yeah, it's cutting it is cutting in and out a little bit here.

and out a little bit here. >> Not sure if you can fix your connection

>> Not sure if you can fix your connection >> um

>> um >> a bit. Not sure if there's an option. I

>> a bit. Not sure if there's an option. I can hear you at the moment. Yeah, it is.

can hear you at the moment. Yeah, it is. It's going in and out. But

It's going in and out. But >> yeah, my your connection is connection

>> yeah, my your connection is connection was bad, but I heard everything. Hello.

was bad, but I heard everything. Hello. Testing.

Testing. >> Yeah, I can hear you.

>> Yeah, I can hear you. >> Testing. One, two, three.

>> Testing. One, two, three. >> Can you hear me?

>> Can you hear me? >> Yeah, I think I think there's like a 20

>> Yeah, I think I think there's like a 20 second delay at the moment. So maybe if

second delay at the moment. So maybe if you want to could you rejoin? Maybe

you want to could you rejoin? Maybe manual if you can rejoin maybe we could

manual if you can rejoin maybe we could finish it off.

finish it off. >> Um, but I think you got a lag a 20

>> Um, but I think you got a lag a 20 second delay at the moment.

second delay at the moment. So, I'll just take you down and we'll

So, I'll just take you down and we'll get you to rejoin. That might be

get you to rejoin. That might be helpful. I just want to while he's

helpful. I just want to while he's coming back, I want to answer this

coming back, I want to answer this question from John. Um, so going to

question from John. Um, so going to church is optional, not to be saved.

church is optional, not to be saved. It says, "Do not forsake the assembling

It says, "Do not forsake the assembling of the saints in Hebrews 10:25." So

of the saints in Hebrews 10:25." So therefore, that's a command of God to

therefore, that's a command of God to regularly gather with God's people, but

regularly gather with God's people, but not as the way to be saved. There are

not as the way to be saved. There are many things that God commands us to do.

many things that God commands us to do. doesn't make them optional.

doesn't make them optional. They're still commands. Like sharing the

They're still commands. Like sharing the gospel is not optional. It is a command.

gospel is not optional. It is a command. Go make disciples of all nations. This

Go make disciples of all nations. This is a command. So therefore, that doesn't

is a command. So therefore, that doesn't it's not optional. It's it's what God

it's not optional. It's it's what God wants, but just not a requirement for

wants, but just not a requirement for heaven.

heaven. So not a requirement for heaven doesn't

So not a requirement for heaven doesn't make it that God doesn't care. Of

make it that God doesn't care. Of course, God cares. God cares what we do.

course, God cares. God cares what we do. Just don't make it a requirement for

Just don't make it a requirement for salvation.

salvation. All right, let's see if um Manuel's has

All right, let's see if um Manuel's has has I'm sure have have you rejoined

has I'm sure have have you rejoined Emanuel? We'll see how it goes. How you

Emanuel? We'll see how it goes. How you going

going Manuel?

Manuel? Now it looks like

Now it looks like he might be joy rejoining now and then

he might be joy rejoining now and then we'll bring up the next person. So,

we'll bring up the next person. So, appreciate that super chat, John.

appreciate that super chat, John. Hopefully that helped clarify like

Hopefully that helped clarify like because sometimes people think, oh, we

because sometimes people think, oh, we think that good work's not important. We

think that good work's not important. We think they're very important. You'll see

think they're very important. You'll see us encourage people to do good works all

us encourage people to do good works all the time on our stream. Just don't make

the time on our stream. Just don't make it what saves you. Don't make it the

it what saves you. Don't make it the basis of acceptance. But let's pray for

basis of acceptance. But let's pray for Manuel. Heavenly Father, thank you so

Manuel. Heavenly Father, thank you so much for the good chat with Manuel. Do

much for the good chat with Manuel. Do pray that you would give him great

pray that you would give him great insight into scripture to see that he

insight into scripture to see that he should rest in Jesus and he should

should rest in Jesus and he should actually affirm the Trinity, no longer

actually affirm the Trinity, no longer reject it. May you then cause him to

reject it. May you then cause him to leave his wonders Pentecostal church to

leave his wonders Pentecostal church to find a church that does preach the true

find a church that does preach the true gospel that doesn't require speaking in

gospel that doesn't require speaking in tongues to be saved or baptism and one

tongues to be saved or baptism and one that affirms that you Lord you father

that affirms that you Lord you father are

are um as your scripture says that God is

um as your scripture says that God is one in being but three in persons. In

one in being but three in persons. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. All right.

Jesus name we pray. Amen. All right. Appreciate the chat there. Let's bring

Appreciate the chat there. Let's bring up Looks like he hasn't come back. We'll

up Looks like he hasn't come back. We'll bring up Logan who's next. Welcome,

bring up Logan who's next. Welcome, Logan.

Logan. >> Hey, can you hear me? How you doing?

>> Hey, can you hear me? How you doing? >> Good, man. Great. Yeah. How what do you

>> Good, man. Great. Yeah. How what do you want to ask him about today?

want to ask him about today? >> Um, well, first off, just want to say

>> Um, well, first off, just want to say thank you for what you do. Um, while

thank you for what you do. Um, while while obviously I don't agree on

while obviously I don't agree on everything, I appreciate I've watched a

everything, I appreciate I've watched a lot of your debates with Catholics and

lot of your debates with Catholics and so forth. So, I just wanted to start off

so forth. So, I just wanted to start off by saying that. Appreciate it. So,

by saying that. Appreciate it. So, >> thank you for encouraging to God be the

>> thank you for encouraging to God be the glory.

glory. >> Yeah. Um, so just a little bit brief, I

>> Yeah. Um, so just a little bit brief, I think this will kind of help me frame my

think this will kind of help me frame my question, I guess, better would be, um,

question, I guess, better would be, um, so I I tend to align myself more of like

so I I tend to align myself more of like the Anglican Christian movement. Um, so

the Anglican Christian movement. Um, so I, um, I've listened to a lot of your

I, um, I've listened to a lot of your conversations with Catholics and then

conversations with Catholics and then obviously the gentleman before me and

obviously the gentleman before me and some others on the idea of uh, baptism

some others on the idea of uh, baptism and the sacraments in general. Um so

and the sacraments in general. Um so really I guess um I'd like to have you

really I guess um I'd like to have you know I pose it as a question but I guess

know I pose it as a question but I guess if we have opportunity for discussion

if we have opportunity for discussion that'd be great too about um you know

that'd be great too about um you know take the the concept of baptismal

take the the concept of baptismal regeneration or the idea that it is

regeneration or the idea that it is ordinarily

ordinarily um necessary for salvation. I think you

um necessary for salvation. I think you know Lutheran believe that um Anglicans

know Lutheran believe that um Anglicans typically believe that and some other

typically believe that and some other groups that are would identify

groups that are would identify themselves as Protestant and still

themselves as Protestant and still believe in the idea of being justified

believe in the idea of being justified by faith alone. Um do you believe that

by faith alone. Um do you believe that those groups um are obviously in danger

those groups um are obviously in danger of hell or in danger of you know however

of hell or in danger of you know however you want to phrase that based on their

you want to phrase that based on their their acceptance of the idea of

their acceptance of the idea of justification by faith alone but still

justification by faith alone but still believing that baptism is not a human

believing that baptism is not a human work. God's work of the means by which

work. God's work of the means by which he gives that mercy and grace to

he gives that mercy and grace to someone.

someone. >> Okay, that's a good question. Maybe I'll

>> Okay, that's a good question. Maybe I'll ask you this question. It might help

ask you this question. It might help clarity give clarity on this. If

clarity give clarity on this. If somebody says,

somebody says, I'm justified by faith alone, but I

I'm justified by faith alone, but I think you have to share the gospel five

think you have to share the gospel five times in your life to go to heaven,

times in your life to go to heaven, otherwise you're going to hell. If

otherwise you're going to hell. If someone said that, are they really

someone said that, are they really believing in justification by faith

believing in justification by faith alone?

alone? Um, I think it depends how you phrase

Um, I think it depends how you phrase it. Um, I think if if they mean that and

it. Um, I think if if they mean that and I think you would probably agree with

I think you would probably agree with this in the sense of like that is the

this in the sense of like that is the natural outflowing of what it means to

natural outflowing of what it means to be a Christian that you would see some

be a Christian that you would see some degree of that fruit. I mean obviously

degree of that fruit. I mean obviously saying specifically five times is a

saying specifically five times is a different story. But I saying that that

different story. But I saying that that is the natural outflowing of fruit of

is the natural outflowing of fruit of someone's life as a Christian is one

someone's life as a Christian is one thing. If they're saying that you have

thing. If they're saying that you have to do that to specifically somehow earn

to do that to specifically somehow earn salvation or become justified, I think

salvation or become justified, I think >> they're simply saying it's the ordinary

>> they're simply saying it's the ordinary means the ordinary means of

means the ordinary means of justification of or of uh being right

justification of or of uh being right before God is that you need to share the

before God is that you need to share the gospel five times.

gospel five times. So not just like oh obviously I would

So not just like oh obviously I would say that fruit good works are fruit of

say that fruit good works are fruit of salvation

salvation but this person is saying it's

but this person is saying it's ordinarily necessary for you to go to

ordinarily necessary for you to go to heaven you need to do this. So then

heaven you need to do this. So then would that be them really holding on to

would that be them really holding on to justification by faith alone?

justification by faith alone? >> Um no and the reason is is because I

>> Um no and the reason is is because I think the idea of sharing uh sharing the

think the idea of sharing uh sharing the gospel as good as it is is a good work.

gospel as good as it is is a good work. And I guess that's where Anglicans and

And I guess that's where Anglicans and like Lutheran people who would hold the

like Lutheran people who would hold the you know baptism being salvific would

you know baptism being salvific would not see baptism as a human work or like

not see baptism as a human work or like ask you why is why is sharing the gospel

ask you why is why is sharing the gospel a good work?

a good work? >> Um why is sharing the gospel good? Well

>> Um why is sharing the gospel good? Well sharing the gospel is a good work

sharing the gospel is a good work because it's something that we do out of

because it's something that we do out of our I mean yes God's grace guides us

our I mean yes God's grace guides us through it but it's something we do on

through it but it's something we do on our on our own effort um our own

our on our own effort um our own capabilities. we go out. It's it's

capabilities. we go out. It's it's actual like command of a work in

actual like command of a work in scripture and I think it's described as

scripture and I think it's described as such. I guess um if I may say briefly

such. I guess um if I may say briefly like the difference between baptism for

like the difference between baptism for me is baptism

me is baptism is always talked about under the

is always talked about under the category of promise or of grace in

category of promise or of grace in scripture. I don't see it as a human

scripture. I don't see it as a human work. I see it as an idea that this is

work. I see it as an idea that this is how God offers what Christ did on the

how God offers what Christ did on the cross ultimately for us. I mean that's

cross ultimately for us. I mean that's the only means by which we're saved. I

the only means by which we're saved. I think we both can say that obviously is

think we both can say that obviously is that the only means by which we're saved

that the only means by which we're saved is what Christ on the cross. But that's

is what Christ on the cross. But that's the means by which he offers the

the means by which he offers the instrumental means to us the salvation

instrumental means to us the salvation that Christ on the cross for us.

that Christ on the cross for us. >> I I disagree with that. He doesn't. The

>> I I disagree with that. He doesn't. The instrumental means is clearly faith. If

instrumental means is clearly faith. If you look at Ephesians 2:8 and 9, but

you look at Ephesians 2:8 and 9, but let's just focus on why you think

let's just focus on why you think sharing the gospels will work. You said

sharing the gospels will work. You said because you go out, it's a command. You

because you go out, it's a command. You go out, you go and do this. Well, it's

go out, you go and do this. Well, it's the same thing. Baptism is given as a

the same thing. Baptism is given as a command in in Acts 22. And we see that

command in in Acts 22. And we see that people go to the church, they

people go to the church, they participate in this external ceremony.

participate in this external ceremony. And so therefore, it's clearly a work.

And so therefore, it's clearly a work. The same reason why you think sharing

The same reason why you think sharing the gospel is a work, or even just

the gospel is a work, or even just attending church, which I think we' both

attending church, which I think we' both agree is a work. Um, therefore, baptism

agree is a work. Um, therefore, baptism is a work. In fact,

is a work. In fact, we see that God will reward people for

we see that God will reward people for their works.

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