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2:15 mercies have overwhelmed us and allowed
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2:20 great thanks for that. Sure. In Jesus
2:23 name. Amen.
2:25 >> Amen. Yes. God is so kind to us, isn't
2:27 he? Thanks for that, Chris. Appreciate
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3:07 scripture will traverse. Be patient.
3:09 Listen. Your time will come. Let's learn
3:12 and grow in God's kingdom. Just before I
3:15 start off with your questions, I want to
3:18 I I wrote a a status on X last night and
3:21 this was the question that I asked said,
3:23 "For those who love to call Mary the
3:26 mother of God, are they also willing to
3:30 call Joseph the father of God?"
3:32 What do and what do you think? Because
3:34 like obviously technically it's true
3:38 because Jesus is God and Mary was the
3:39 mother of Jesus. Therefore, you can
3:42 technically call Mary the mother of God.
3:43 But it's confusing for a lot of people
3:46 because it makes people think what God
3:48 the father she's the mother of or you
3:50 know it can be confusing in that sense.
3:52 And so I asked the question is it okay
3:55 to call Joseph the father of God? And I
3:57 got mixed responses from different
3:59 people saying no you can't say that.
4:00 That's going to be confusing for people.
4:02 It's going to make people think that
4:05 Joseph is the father of God the father.
4:08 Ah okay. Hey, well, wouldn't that be
4:09 something that would happen if you call
4:11 her mother of God? Couldn't people think
4:14 the same thing?
4:16 Uh, you had I had Redeem Zuma respond to
4:17 me by saying, "Oh, yes, of course you
4:20 can call Joseph the father of God." And
4:23 you you can also call St. Anne the
4:26 grandmother of God.
4:29 Now, first of all, St. Anne Anne is not
4:32 mentioned in the Bible as being a
4:35 grandmother of Jesus Christ. If you look
4:37 at the genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke
4:40 3, you don't see an there. That would
4:42 came from the proto evangelium of James
4:45 which was uh not from the Bible. That
4:48 came after it was not written by James.
4:50 Fraudulent document. They get the name
4:53 Anne or Anna there.
4:56 Now we do have the genealogies of ma
5:00 Mary and Joseph in Matthew 1 and Luke 3.
5:03 But would it be helpful to call Healey
5:07 the grandfather of God? Probably not,
5:11 right? That wouldn't be helpful.
5:12 And I even then asked this question. I
5:16 pose this question. Jesus said,
5:18 you know, um, who is my mother? Who are
5:20 my brothers? The one who does the will
5:23 of my father is my mother and, uh,
5:26 brother and sister. So would it be
5:28 helpful for a believer today to to call
5:32 themselves the mother of God?
5:33 I don't think that would be helpful that
5:35 if anything at best it's going to be confusing.
5:36 confusing.
5:39 And so couldn't that same logic be
5:41 applied to when people love to call Mary
5:43 the mother of God? It's confusing for a
5:46 lot of people. While technically true,
5:49 it's confusing. And that's why I always
5:52 aim for clarity. And that was the aim of
5:54 the Apostle Paul as well. clarity in
5:57 what he presented.
5:59 Have a look.
6:00 Paul's asked for prayer. He says, "At
6:03 the same time, pray also for us that God
6:05 may open to us a door for the word to
6:06 declare the mystery of Christ on account
6:09 of which I am in prison that I may make
6:13 it clear which is how I ought to speak."
6:16 Right? So Paul was
6:19 um concerned about clarity particularly
6:21 in obviously the presenting of the
6:23 gospel. But this is in this would be in
6:25 all forms of whenever you're teaching,
6:27 whenever you're proclaiming truth about
6:31 scripture, let it be clear uh and not
6:33 confusing for people would be what I'd say.
6:35 say.
6:37 All right. Uh let's go to your
6:39 questions. Uh and by the way, also I
6:41 want to give you a heads up. I So after
6:44 the debate with Noah, Noah has said, "Oh
6:46 yeah, he'd love to do another debate
6:50 with me on one of the Marian dogmas."
6:54 um particularly the sinlessness of Mary.
6:57 And so I said, "Okay, um we could
6:58 probably do that maybe in early December
7:00 or something like that if it's if it
7:05 suits him on this this phrasing."
7:08 The phrase, the debate would be
7:11 the Bible, he'd be affirmative, I'd be
7:14 negative. The the topic would be the
7:16 Bible teaches that Mary has always been sinless.
7:18 sinless.
7:21 And so that's what uh I've proposed that
7:24 debate topic to him at that wording. And
7:26 so I haven't heard back from just yet,
7:28 but I think he's probably going to be
7:30 willing to do that. And so that may
7:33 happen in early December.
7:35 How could you even support that though?
7:37 How could you support that? The Bible
7:40 teaches that Mary's always been sinless.
7:41 There's nothing in the Bible that even
7:43 indicates that. Not even gives an
7:45 illusion to it.
7:46 probably they might try to say, "Oh,
7:49 she's like the new Eve or she's the ark
7:50 of the covenant." Which is just not even
7:52 true. She's not described as the ark of
7:54 the covenant. If anything, you could say
7:56 Jesus is the ark of the new arc of the
7:58 covenant, but not Mary because Mary's
8:00 not God. Yeah.
8:03 Yeah.
8:05 And even as Corey says, Mary says she
8:08 has a savior. Yeah. Luke 1:47,
8:13 "I rejoice in God my savior."
8:16 All right, here we go. question from
8:19 uh Hiv who's asked, "Hey bro Ryan, can
8:22 you please explain John 14:12? Can we do
8:25 this?" All right, let's have a look.
8:27 John 14:12. Truly, truly I say to you,
8:29 whoever believes in me will also do the
8:31 works that I do, and greater works than
8:34 these will he do because I'm going to
8:36 the father.
8:38 Okay. So, greater works than these. Now,
8:41 greater in what sense? greater in
8:46 individual actions or greater in extent.
8:49 Jesus was one man living in the land of
8:52 Israel and he did amazing actions. I
8:55 don't think anyone would ever surpass
8:57 the works of Jesus Christ. He made
8:59 atonement for sins.
9:02 No one none of us can do the same. So
9:04 therefore, no one is going to surpass
9:07 Jesus in any of his actions that he did
9:10 while he was here. But it mustn't then
9:12 mean greater in power. It must mean
9:16 greater in extent. He's one man and
9:18 collectively as as believers we're many
9:20 people and we can reach than all the
9:22 different parts of the world. Reaching
9:24 more places where Jesus didn't go to.
9:26 And so that's what he's saying. Greater
9:28 works in these you do. So greater in
9:32 extent not greater in individual action.
9:36 Next one from Warrick is 1 Corinthians
9:42 16:1 and2 descriptive or prescriptive
9:43 now concerning the collection for the
9:45 saints as I directed the churches of
9:49 Galatia. So you also are to do. On the
9:50 first day of every week, each of you is
9:53 to put something aside and store it up
9:55 as he may prosper so there be no
9:58 collecting when I come. This is Paul
10:00 giving some instructions to the
10:03 Corinthian church about this specific
10:05 collection. Now what was this specific
10:09 collection? Paul had asked them to give
10:11 relief to the churches that were in
10:13 Jerusalem. Why? Because there was a
10:16 famine in Jerusalem.
10:18 And so he asked that if the churches in
10:20 these other regions of the Roman Empire
10:21 could help the saints that were in
10:23 Jerusalem. Paul speaks about this in
10:26 Romans 15 as well.
10:29 I'll bring it up for you guys. It says here,
10:30 here,
10:32 "At present, however, I'm going to
10:36 Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints."
10:39 So, it's great poverty happening, famine
10:41 happening in Jerusalem. They needed aid.
10:43 And there wasn't really government
10:45 support at that time. So, therefore, the
10:48 saints had to raise up some money and
10:51 some aid to help them out. And it says,
10:53 "For Macedonia and Aaya have been
10:56 pleased to make some some contribution
11:00 for the poor among the saints at
11:03 Jerusalem." Lots of poor who in who were
11:06 in the church in Jerusalem.
11:08 Yeah. And so then once he delivers that,
11:11 he's going to go on to Spain after going
11:14 and visiting Rome. So this is just the
11:16 instructions. He's saying, "Look, I
11:17 don't want to have to try and get this
11:19 gift. I've asked you guys, can you give
11:22 to Jerusalem church? And so when I go or
11:23 when I come, make sure you've got it all
11:25 ready so that I don't have to be trying
11:27 to ask everyone at that time. He wants
11:29 them just to have it ready so that he
11:30 can just they can just give it to Paul
11:32 and Paul can carry it to Jerusalem and
11:35 give them some aid. So that seems to be
11:38 for that unique period of time.
11:41 That's unique. not giving an alltime
11:43 description that
11:45 that always you need to give to the
11:47 saints in Jerusalem or that you can't
11:49 you must collect only on a Sunday the
11:50 first day of the week and not other
11:53 days. Yeah, it's not giving any sort of
11:56 prescription regards to that.
11:59 All right. Uh next one from Daniel.
12:01 What's the best apologetics to use
12:05 against a Muslim? The gospel. Preach the
12:07 gospel to him. Show him the deficiency
12:10 of workspace salvation. Show him how
12:13 good works don't pay for bad works. Give
12:14 examples of how in a court of law that
12:17 would never work. I always want to start
12:19 here because this is the key message you
12:21 want to communicate with a Muslim.
12:22 There's other things you can communicate
12:25 too. But if you go and talk about all
12:26 those other things, but you miss the
12:28 central message of Jesus Christ and him
12:31 crucified, you've not eternally helped
12:32 that Muslim in a way that's going to
12:35 even possibly save his soul. because the
12:37 gospel is the power of God for
12:39 salvation, not them learning about
12:42 Muhammad being a bad person. Now, I'm
12:43 not saying you can't talk about that.
12:44 That can be absolutely something you
12:46 talk about and that can be a helpful
12:48 argument, but only if you couple it with
12:51 the gospel. Gospel is key. You know,
12:55 when Paul went and preached Jesus Christ
12:58 and him crucified, his focus wasn't on
13:01 how bad all the pagan deities are. His
13:02 focus was on preaching Jesus. Now, he
13:05 still did mention like, look, God
13:07 doesn't dwell in temples made by hands.
13:10 This statue here, look, he did make some
13:11 mention to it, but that wasn't his
13:15 focus. It was Jesus. It was Jesus. So,
13:19 in 1 Corinthians chapter 2
13:21 verse 2, he says, "I decided to know
13:23 nothing among you except Jesus Christ
13:26 and him crucified." So, he had a central
13:28 focus on preaching Jesus.
13:31 So, focus that, focus on that. show the
13:32 deficiency of a worksbased salvation.
13:34 How it doesn't save you, doesn't satisfy
13:38 justice. How is justice satisfied if
13:40 your sins are just overlooked by Allah.
13:42 You can also show how in the Quran it
13:44 mentions how every Muslim is going to go
13:47 to hell even for a limited amount of
13:48 time, but still every Muslim will go to
13:50 hell. And you can ask them, why would
13:52 you want to believe in a religion where
13:55 you're guaranteed going to hell, 100%
13:57 guaranteed going to hell for any amount
13:59 of time? That's not a religion you
14:01 really want to follow.
14:04 Um and and so it makes sense that
14:06 actually you want a religion that's
14:07 going to save you from hell, prevent you
14:09 from having to go there. The only one
14:11 that does is Christianity. When you got
14:13 a savior who dies for you, then you can
14:15 obviously talk about why why should you
14:16 trust Muhammad? Ask them why do you
14:18 trust Muhammad? How do you know he's
14:20 really a prophet of God? Muslims have
14:23 zero answer to that.
14:24 They just stumble around. They have no
14:26 idea. And then you can say, look, the
14:28 fact that you have no good reason to
14:30 trust Muhammad should make you think
14:33 maybe I shouldn't trust him, but there's
14:34 plenty of good reason why we should
14:36 trust Jesus. And so compare the
14:38 deficiency of Muhammad to the
14:41 amazingness of Jesus and how he's proven
14:43 himself by his miracles. He's consistent
14:46 with the earlier prophets and also his
14:49 behavior is flawless.
14:52 This one from the lesser. Have you ever
14:53 had a conversation with someone from the
14:57 Church of Christ? Uh yes, I have on
15:01 viewer chats as well. And unfortunately,
15:03 yeah, they do hold to a worksbased
15:04 message of salvation. They think that
15:08 baptism is the way for you to be saved.
15:10 And unfortunately, that is works based
15:13 salvation. And so, yeah,
15:15 yeah,
15:17 I show them how salvation is truly by
15:20 grace through faith. And just like I did
15:23 in the debate the other day I had I
15:27 showed the sufficiency of faith.
15:29 Church of Christ are going to say that
15:31 faith is insufficient to save. You need
15:33 something extra.
15:35 For Roman Catholics it's keeping the
15:36 commandments. For church of Christ it's baptism.
15:38 baptism.
15:42 And so then you can just show how no no
15:45 that woman in the city in Luke 7:50
15:48 Jesus says your sins are forgiven. your
15:52 faith has saved you. She didn't get
15:54 baptized. She didn't keep the
15:57 commandments. She had faith and she was forgiven.
15:59 forgiven.
16:01 So, show that's what I do. Um, show
16:02 those sort of passages like I brought up
16:05 in the debate. Show them Romans 4:5,
16:09 Romans 4:6, and if God's willing, then
16:11 God can soften their heart and bring
16:15 them to himself. A super chat that came
16:17 in from Patrick. Thanks so much,
16:19 Patrick, for sending in your super chat today.
16:27 >> Pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace
16:29 peace
16:32 along with those who call on the Lord
16:36 from a pure heart.
16:38 >> Patrick says, "Is being convinced that
16:40 you yourself will go to heaven 100% part
16:43 of having saving faith? I don't get how
16:45 a person can go from not believing to
16:49 believing if that is the case.
16:52 Okay, maybe think of it this way. If I
16:53 say to you that I'm going to bring
16:55 dinner over to your place tonight at 6:00
16:57 6:00 and
16:58 and
17:00 you're like, uh, I don't know if he
17:03 really will. I'm only 50% sure he will.
17:05 I'm not really sure if Ryan's going to
17:07 drop off that dinner as he promised.
17:10 Well, then you're not trusting me. See
17:12 that? That would not be trusting me.
17:15 Trusting me is like, "Yeah, I am fully convinced
17:16 convinced
17:19 that he will drop off that dinner as he
17:22 said he would." That's having faith in
17:25 me. And so that's also what's having
17:27 faith in God, in Christ, and his
17:31 promises. All right? God has promised
17:32 you will not perish. You will have
17:34 eternal life if you're believing in
17:36 Christ because he's paid the price for
17:38 all of your sins. And so therefore, if
17:39 you're like, "Yeah, I don't know if I'm
17:40 really going to heaven. Probably not."
17:42 Then you're not trusting in Jesus.
17:45 Trusting in Jesus will be um fully
17:46 convinced that he'll live up to his
17:49 promises and therefore I'm going to go
17:51 to heaven. Because when I ask people,
17:52 "How sure are you going to heaven?" They
17:55 say 50%. I say, "Okay, why 50% not
17:58 sure?" Well, because I sin too much or I
18:00 don't do enough good deeds. So what are
18:01 they relying upon to get them into
18:05 heaven? their lack of sinning and them
18:08 doing extra good deeds. So, not relying
18:10 on Christ to get them there. Now, can
18:12 Christians ever have thoughts that pop
18:14 up in their mind where they're like
18:17 doubtful thoughts? Sure. But that still
18:20 doesn't change their them being fully
18:21 convinced that Christ will live up to
18:23 his promise. Now, why do I say fully
18:24 convinced? Because that's the language
18:28 that Paul uses in Romans 4:21.
18:29 Speaking about Abraham here, it says
18:32 Abraham was fully convinced that God is
18:33 able to do what he had promised. Fully
18:35 convinced, not partially, maybe. You
18:38 might do it, God. I'll find out. That's
18:40 not that's not faith. He was fully
18:42 convinced. When God says, "You'll have a
18:44 son. You'll have as many offspring as
18:47 the stars of the sky." That very
18:50 instant, he was fully convinced. And
18:52 have a look at the next verse. That is
18:54 why his faith was counted to him as
18:56 righteousness. So why was his faith
18:57 count to him as righteousness? because
18:59 he was fully convinced.
19:01 He didn't waver. He didn't think, "I
19:03 don't know if I can trust God." He
19:05 trusted him. And God counted that faith
19:08 to him as righteousness. And so, same
19:11 with us. If we trust God's promises and
19:13 what he's done to save us, we'll have
19:15 eternal life. So, how do you go from not
19:17 believing to believing? Well, you just
19:18 hear this message and you say, "I want
19:21 that. I want Jesus to die for me. I want
19:23 to go to heaven to be with my Lord. And
19:25 so I'm trusting now that I am going to
19:28 heaven because he took that punishment
19:36 All right, this one from Raphael. Is God
19:38 really pleased with the punishment of
19:42 the wicked? Psalm 16:4, Romans 9:22,
19:46 Ezekiel 18:32, and Lamentations 3:33.
19:48 Wow, a few passages there.
19:52 So bring up maybe just maybe a couple of them.
19:53 them.
19:54 Uh oh, Proverbs. That was Proverbs, not
19:58 Psalms. Proverbs 16:4.
20:00 The Lord has made everything for its
20:02 purpose, even the wicked for the day of
20:04 trouble. Yeah. So, the Lord has a
20:05 purpose for everything. Every human
20:08 being has a purpose. You'll either be a
20:13 vessel of honor or a vessel of dishonor.
20:15 You'll either be one that God has
20:18 prepared for glory or for destruction.
20:21 What if God desiring to show his wrath?
20:24 Yeah. God desires to show wrath, pour
20:26 out judgment upon people, and to make
20:28 known his power, has endured with much
20:31 patience vessels of wrath prepared for
20:33 destruction. Right? So, he wants to show
20:35 wrath because then he gets to show how
20:37 just he is. He gets to showcase his
20:39 glory to us Christians. We can say,
20:41 "Wow, God, you're so amazingly just that
20:43 you're punishing the wicked. Praise be
20:45 to you, God." You realize that for all
20:46 eternity, we're going to be praising God
20:48 in heaven that he's pouring out his
20:50 wrath upon those in hell. Now, you might
20:52 say, "Wow, that's that's hard for me to
20:54 understand that." In heaven, you'll have
20:56 a sanctified mind perfectly. So, you'll
20:58 see it from God's perspective there. And
21:00 you'll see, yeah, those in hell hate
21:01 God. They're getting what they deserve,
21:04 and rightly so. So, you'll praise God
21:05 for his justice. But you also then
21:08 praise God for his mercy that he's shown
21:11 to you in order to make known the riches
21:14 of his glory for vessels of mercy, which
21:17 he's prepared beforehand for glory. If
21:19 there was no punishment for sin, then
21:22 there's no need for mercy. So God allows
21:24 sin to happen. People choose to sin. God
21:27 has great wrath and that gives God
21:29 opportunity to show mercy to those whom
21:35 I was thinking about this uh in the
21:37 topic, you know, the topic of was Mary
21:39 always sinless.
21:40 They try and say, "Oh, look, God
21:42 protected Mary from sin." Which is just
21:45 doesn't say that in scripture.
21:48 But that would mean Mary's in heaven
21:50 without the cross.
21:52 That means she did not need the cross if
21:54 that if their logic is true that she
21:58 wasn't a sinner. So then
22:00 the cross wasn't needed for her. But
22:01 isn't the whole point of scripture that
22:03 the cross is needed for every human
22:05 being because we're all sinners. We all
22:09 need the savior Jesus. But for Mary, she
22:10 doesn't need the savior Jesus. She
22:13 doesn't need Jesus to die on the cross
22:15 if if she's sinless. That is now clearly
22:17 she is sinful but
22:19 it just messes up everything doesn't it?
22:21 And then they say that Mary's mother was
22:22 sinless and they say that Mary's
22:24 mother's mother was sinless and they all
22:25 the way back to what Eve was Eve
22:28 sinless. Come on we know that Eve
22:30 sinned. Look at that in the look at the garden.
22:32 garden.
22:34 And so their logic just completely
22:40 Um, now in terms of Ezekiel 18,
22:43 Lamentations 3:33 when it says I'll
22:45 bring up this.
22:46 I have no pleasure in the death of
22:49 anyone. This is in regards to not hell.
22:51 This is not talking about hell. This is
22:53 talking about uh in terms of how the
22:56 Mosaic law should be enforced. It'd be
22:57 better if the person didn't break the
23:00 law or turn from breaking the Mosaic law
23:01 and therefore wouldn't have to be killed
23:04 by the society for transgressing it.
23:06 It's not talking about hell in
23:08 particular there. Now, lamentations, for
23:10 he does, for he does not afflict from
23:14 his heart or grieve the children of men.
23:17 Uh, let's have a context here.
23:19 The Lord will not cast off forever. This
23:22 is in regards to Israel and how he would
23:23 fulfill his plans with Israel because
23:25 the Lord will cast people off forever,
23:27 those in hell. We know that hell is
23:30 eternal, not temporary. So sometimes
23:32 people take Ezekiel 18, Lamentations 3,
23:34 and then apply it more generally when
23:37 those passages are more speaking about
23:39 how Israel should enact the Mosaic law
23:41 and God's opinion about the enacting of
23:45 that Mosaic law and in Lamentations, how
23:46 God's going to fulfill his promise to
23:49 restore Israel.
23:51 All right, Patrick sent in a follow-up
24:04 >> But kind to everyone,
24:14 All right. Patrick says, "I would need
24:16 to see it as a secondary belief that
24:18 comes after trusting in Christ. Since if
24:20 you trust Christ, you receive eternal
24:22 life and then you can know that you'll
24:30 But trust what about Christ?
24:32 Trust that I'm going to heaven because
24:34 he died on the cross for my sins. That's
24:38 trusting Christ, isn't it?
24:40 Yeah. It's that
24:42 Jesus has said to me, like again, go
24:44 back to my example, I'll bring dinner
24:46 over to you at 6:00. If I said that to
24:50 you, then trusting me means trusting
24:52 that I'll bring dinner over at 6:00.
24:54 That's what it means to trust me in that
24:56 context. So trusting Christ is not just
24:58 trusting he's a real person or that he's
25:01 just generally a reliable person,
25:03 but trusting that he has sacrificed his
25:07 life to save me, so I'm forgiven.
25:08 Um, and Patrick says, "I think being
25:10 convinced that God can raise the dead is
25:11 enough to have saving faith, if that
25:16 makes sense." No, no, no, no, no. That's
25:19 not sufficient to have be saved. Mormons
25:22 believe that God can raise the dead. Is
25:24 that sufficient to save them? Those who
25:25 trust in their good works to get to heaven,
25:27 heaven,
25:30 also believe that raising the dead, that
25:32 Jesus, that God can raise the dead.
25:35 Demons believe that God can raise the
25:37 dead. a demon saved.
25:40 So clearly just believing a fact about
25:42 God that God can do something. He has
25:44 all ability. In fact, Muslims would
25:46 believe this that God can raise the
25:49 dead. What's unique is that we need to
25:51 be trusting in what Christ has done to
25:53 save us as the only means of entry to
25:55 heaven. Which is why when I had the
25:57 debate on Monday,
26:01 your Sunday, um, with Noah, what do we
26:04 see? we see that he wasn't trusting
26:05 exclusively in Jesus to get him to
26:06 heaven. He was trusting in his
26:08 commandment keeping and his baptism and
26:10 his loving God and other things like
26:13 that. So therefore he doesn't have trust
26:16 in Jesus, not a saving trust in Jesus at
26:19 least. And so saving trust in Jesus is
26:21 believing in the sufficiency of Christ
26:23 to get me to heaven and therefore I'm
26:26 going to heaven because of him.
26:28 All right, this one from Jesse. I'm a
26:29 believer who's just started to take
26:32 faith seriously. Awesome. Good to hear
26:36 that. But the last few days, I've had a
26:38 fear of going to hell like I've never
26:42 had before. Is doubting slashw worrying
26:46 normal? This much normal?
26:49 Keep reminding yourself, Jesse. See,
26:51 this is a good example. Um, even in
26:54 light of Patrick's question,
26:56 a true Christian can experience what
26:58 Jesse's experiencing.
27:00 true Christian. But that it doesn't mean
27:03 that Jesse's not fully convinced,
27:05 right? Because you can be still fully
27:07 convinced of Christ and what he's done
27:10 for you and still have crazy thoughts
27:11 pop into up into your head that you
27:15 don't sincerely believe.
27:17 All right? You can have crazy thoughts
27:19 that pop up into your head about God's
27:21 existence. Doesn't mean you sincerely
27:23 don't believe in God.
27:25 You see that? So you can be still fully
27:27 convinced and yet have thoughts that
27:29 come up. And so I think what you should
27:30 do is conquer those thoughts by
27:33 reminding yourself of the truth. You
27:34 can't stop the birds from flying over
27:35 your head, but you can definitely stop
27:43 All right, this one from James. Someone
27:45 challenged me to prove Jesus and the
27:48 father are perfect after I made the
27:52 claim. What would you go to prove this?
27:54 H, it's an interesting question. Um, I'd
27:56 probably go to in regards to Jesus, like
27:58 Jesus in John 8 stood before his enemies
28:00 saying, "Which one of you accuses me of
28:02 sin?" And guess what? They're all
28:04 silent. Not not a single one could say,
28:07 "Jesus, you're sinner in this way." So,
28:09 their lack of actually accusing him of
28:12 any sin is a massive proof that he is
28:14 because he's giving them a it's like
28:16 giving on a platter to them. If you
28:18 think I've sinned, tell me what. And
28:20 they couldn't say anything because there
28:22 was nothing wrong. In terms of the
28:24 father, this is pretty easy as well to
28:26 show that the father is perfect. You
28:28 therefore must be perfect as your
28:30 heavenly father is perfect. Like this is
28:34 just right there proven. Case closed.
28:36 The father is perfect because it
28:38 literally says your heavenly father is
28:41 perfect. And we know that Jesus is in
28:44 the same nature as the father. He is the
28:46 radiance of the glory of God in the
28:48 exact imprint of his nature. And so if
28:50 the nature of God, the father is to be
28:52 perfect. And so if Jesus is the exact
28:55 imprint of his nature, then also he must
28:57 be perfect. In fact, if he wasn't
28:59 perfect, then how could he make
29:02 atonement for our sins?
29:05 1 Peter 2:22, he committed no sin. This
29:07 is about Christ. He committed no sin,
29:11 neither was deceit found in his mouth.
29:15 Very clear. Jesus committed no sin. What
29:17 about Hebrews 4:15?
29:19 We do not have a high priest who is
29:20 unable to sympathize with our
29:22 weaknesses, but one who in every respect
29:27 has been tempted as we are, yet without
29:29 sin. Notice there's clear verses in the
29:31 Bible that speak about Jesus
29:33 sinlessness, but there's no verses in
29:35 the Bible that speak about Mary's sinlessness.
29:36 sinlessness.
29:38 So why would people hold on to the man
29:41 the sinlessness of Mary?
29:42 It makes sense to hold on to the
29:45 sinlessness of Jesus and the father and
29:47 even of the Holy Spirit. So the passage
29:49 about who convicts you of me of sin,
29:52 that's in John 8:46. Which one of you
29:56 convicts me of sin? Jesus says
29:58 and if if I tell the truth, why do you
30:01 not believe me?
30:03 You even got Jesus affirming himself and
30:06 the father is one. I and the father are one.
30:08 one.
30:11 Yeah. So that's That's how I'd prove it
30:14 to them. Good question there, James.
30:18 All right. Uh, next one from
30:19 uh Oh, James has actually got another
30:21 one here. I heard a sermon by the late
30:23 pastor John MacArthur when he said that
30:26 the apostles Jesus chose were an
30:29 indictment on the religion of Judaism of
30:31 the time. What's your thoughts on this?
30:34 Depends what he's meaning. Like, um, you
30:35 haven't told me what sense he's meaning
30:38 indictment. Is it in the sense I can see
30:41 probably what he's meaning is that
30:44 he didn't choose the Pharisees, the
30:47 Sadducees, the Jewish religious leaders
30:50 to be his disciples. He chose 12
30:53 ordinary men. Some were fishermen. One
30:56 was a tax collector. The others were not
30:58 even sure what their occupation was.
31:01 They're nobodies in this world. And yet
31:03 God didn't choose
31:06 the religious one leaders, the ones who
31:08 walked around in their long robes making
31:10 their felactories broad and their
31:12 fringes long. Now he picked these
31:15 ordinary guys, uneducated common men.
31:18 They're described in the book of Acts
31:21 because God uses nobodies. It's the
31:23 great reversal. If you want to be great
31:26 in God's kingdom,
31:29 be the servant of all.
31:32 So yeah, I think in a way that probably
31:33 I can see how it would be a rebuke to
31:35 the the Jewish religious leaders that he
31:37 didn't pick them. And in fact, the ones
31:39 who most hated Jesus were the Jewish
31:41 religious leaders
31:44 when the people not as much, but more so
31:45 the Jewish religious leaders who tried
31:47 to do everything to plot to try and kill him.
31:49 him.
31:51 But interestingly, the Gentiles were the
31:53 ones who had greater faith. Even the
31:56 centurion in Matthew 8, Jesus says,
31:58 "With no one in all Israel have I found
32:00 such faith."
32:02 What a rebuke to every Jewish person at
32:05 that time. With no one in Israel have I
32:07 found such faith. This gentile had more
32:11 faith than all the Jewish people.
32:12 Because remember, it's not about
32:14 ethnicity. It's not about that at all.
32:18 It's just about having that humble heart
32:21 and willingness to trust the promises of God.
32:24 God.
32:27 All right. Uh, next one
32:30 from Martin. Seeking guidance. Is it
32:32 okay to remain in a church where the
32:35 preaching is hardly Christ/Gosspel-
32:37 centered, but there is a wonderful
32:38 community of believers who are
32:40 like-minded, gospel focused? Yeah,
32:42 that's up to you. That's really up to
32:46 you what you consider important.
32:48 Obviously, ideally would be you want a
32:51 church that has a preaching that's
32:53 uh exogetical
32:56 verse by verse, gospel centered, Christ
32:58 centered, just preaching Jesus Christ
33:01 and crucified.
33:03 As long as they're not like just
33:06 preaching complete heresy, then you'd be
33:08 like you probably want to leave it or
33:09 try and get as many people out of that
33:11 church as possible. if they're preaching
33:15 a false a false or worksbased gospel.
33:18 But in your scenario, it's less it's not
33:20 so much not heretical, but it's also not
33:22 as gospel focused as you'd want it to
33:24 be. Well, then
33:27 I would suggest that it's up to you
33:28 whether you stay or not because if you
33:31 can have a good influence there and if
33:32 you're getting the good Christian
33:34 fellowship and the gospel- centered
33:37 conversations, everything with the
33:39 people that are there and maybe you're
33:41 helping them and maybe you might be able
33:42 to help the church leadership, give some
33:44 suggestions, some gentle guidance to
33:47 them about what you would love to see
33:49 happen at church, then yeah, it's up to
33:50 you. I don't think there's a hard and
33:52 fast rule uh that you'd have to leave there.
33:55 there.
33:58 All right, this one from Shamga. Yes,
34:01 the third judge in the book of Judges is
34:03 back. Good to have you here, brother.
34:07 >> For the word of the cross is falling
34:11 to those who are perishing,
34:15 but to us who are being saved,
34:20 it is the power of God. Shamgar says JWs
34:23 add the word other in Colossians 1:16-1
34:26 17 and verse 20. They do. If you look at
34:29 their older edition of the New World
34:32 Translation, they had the word other in
34:34 italics to show that it's in an inserted
34:35 word. But in their latest edition,
34:37 they've removed the italics and they've
34:39 just left it there in the text, which is
34:42 incredibly deceiving.
34:44 So, I'll show you. For for by him all
34:46 things were created. Now here when it
34:48 says all things they say all other
34:50 things were created.
34:52 They think that Christ created all other
34:54 things. Why do they do that? Because
34:56 they want to believe that Jesus is a
34:58 created being
35:02 which is terrible heresy. Aryanism
35:04 and it doesn't say other. If you look at
35:06 the Greek there's no other. And now the
35:09 way to show JW about this go to the new
35:11 world trans go to the uh the kingdom
35:15 into linear that's on the JW website.
35:17 So, so the Kingdom Interlinear is is a
35:20 JW publication used. It's a physical
35:21 thing, but it's now also on their
35:25 website. So, if I I'll show you guys
35:32 All right. So, I just went to the JW
35:34 website. I went to I searched for
35:36 Kingdom Interline. This is the page that
35:42 Maybe just search for it. Oh, yeah.
35:48 Colossians chapter 1 and we're going to
35:51 scroll down to verse 16.
35:53 Okay, ready?
35:56 This is from the Greek literal to the
35:59 English. Okay, let's see if they have
36:02 the word other in there. Because in him
36:05 it was created the all things in heavens
36:08 and upon the earth. Notice there's no
36:10 the word other. So what's this
36:12 translated? All things were created
36:14 through him. That's what it's saying.
36:17 But if you then look at the New World Translation,
36:19 Translation,
36:20 and I think if I just search here, it
36:21 probably come up with the New World
36:24 Translation one
36:30 And okay, here we go. Ready? This is the
36:33 New World Translation. Because by means
36:36 of him all other things were created.
36:38 They've literally inserted the word
36:41 other right there. dishonesty to the key
36:43 to the max right there. And so how you
36:45 can show them it's dishonest is just go
36:47 to their kingdom in linear and show it
36:50 doesn't say all other things. It just
36:55 says all things right here. All things.
36:57 That's what you can do. Now another
37:00 thing you can do with JW's
37:03 because they've changed Colossians 1:16.
37:07 What they haven't changed is John 1:3.
37:09 They actually haven't changed John 1:3
37:12 in even their own translation.
37:15 Let me bring it up in their translation.
37:20 Okay, John 1 is about Jesus, right?
37:22 Let me copy it down. I'll copy on and
37:28 All right, copy.
37:31 There it is. Okay.
37:33 All right. John, I'll make sure you know
37:35 guys know what this is. John 1 vers3.
37:37 There it is.
37:39 All things came into existence through
37:41 him. And apart from him, not even one
37:44 thing came into existence.
37:46 Look at that.
37:48 This is talking about Jesus. And they
37:51 don't add the word other here.
37:53 So they believe Jesus came into existence.
37:54 existence.
37:58 They think he's a created being.
38:02 So therefore following their logic they
38:04 have to believe that Jesus came into
38:08 existence through Jesus and apart from
38:11 Jesus not even Jesus came into existence
38:19 That's absurd cuz if you have to create
38:22 yourself then that means you exist
38:24 before you exist. But if you exist
38:26 before you exist then you already exist.
38:29 And so it's a contradiction in terms.
38:30 And so that's why I usually don't go to
38:32 Colossians 1:16 as much with JWS. I go
38:35 to John 1:3 and it completely destroys
38:38 their view of who Christ is. Christ is
38:42 not a created being. Christ is God. And
38:44 And
38:46 um he made everything which means he
38:53 All right. Uh next one. Here we go.
38:56 Jamie says, "Ryan, they try arguing the
38:58 word through means he was Jehovah's in
39:00 instrument, but it still doesn't answer
39:03 it because
39:06 how is Jesus Jehovah's instrument to
39:09 make himself? To be the instrument in
39:11 making himself, he's still got to exist
39:15 before he exists on their view." And so,
39:17 their view is not consistent with that
39:21 passage there.
39:22 All right. Uh, next one. There was a
39:25 super chat from
39:27 uh Barber. Thank you so much for sending
39:29 in your super chat. Wow. Wonder wonder
39:31 what current uh what currency that is.
39:33 What country in the world you're in. But
39:40 Uh Jamie says you can also use Romans
39:42 11:36 to show that all things are made
39:44 through the Father also. Oh, that's
39:46 helpful. Yeah. Thanks for that, Jamie.
39:49 For from him and through him and to him
39:51 are all things. To him be the glory
39:53 forever. Yeah, the same word through is
39:56 applied to the father here.
39:59 That's a good point. Really good point.
40:00 Uh thank you Justified who sent this one
40:02 in for us. Appreciate that.
40:05 >> Blessed is the man who makes the Lord.
40:08 Who does not turn to the proud to those
40:12 who go astray after a life.
40:15 You have multiplied, oh Lord my God,
40:17 your wondrous deeds and your thoughts
40:22 toward us. None can compare with you.
40:26 Is Isaiah 96? Oh, so no. Is Yeah, I
40:27 think it's a question, but then it's
40:30 also a statement. Looks like is Isaiah
40:33 96 is the best verse to show. JWS.
40:35 It could be a statement or a question.
40:37 I'll treat it as if it's a question. I
40:38 think it's a great verse to show. Let's
40:42 bring it up. Isaiah 9:6. I wonder what
40:43 I'll have to check what their
40:47 translation says on this. For to us,
40:50 Whoa, it's going to um There you go. For
40:52 to us a child is born, to us a son is
40:53 given, and the government shall be upon
40:56 his shoulder, and his name shall be
40:58 called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
41:01 Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
41:03 Now, their translation, I wonder what
41:05 they've messed it up to be in regards to
41:08 this verse.
41:09 Actually, no, they haven't messed up
41:11 this one. So, their says exactly the
41:14 same thing here in Isaiah 9:6. Mighty God,
41:16 God,
41:18 eternal father, prince of peace. So,
41:19 their translation hasn't messed this one
41:21 up. But you know what their argument is?
41:23 Their argument is, "Oh, he's mighty God,
41:26 but he's not almighty God." See that?
41:28 Oh, look. It says mighty God, but he's
41:31 not the Almighty God.
41:34 Okay, that's interesting. But let's see.
41:38 Does the Old Testament call
41:42 God or Yahweh the mighty God? And the
41:44 answer is yes. We got Elgabore, a mighty
41:47 God, being used of God. different types.
41:49 Let me see if I can find the reference
41:55 Mighty God.
42:04 See if I can Okay, you've got Psalm 50 verse1.
42:06 verse1.
42:09 The mighty one,
42:12 God, the Lord. Who's described as the
42:13 mighty one?
42:15 Who's God?
42:18 Yahweh. Yahweh is or in their
42:20 translation Jehovah.
42:24 What about this Psalm 898? Oh Lord God
42:29 of hosts who is mighty as you, oh Lord.
42:32 Okay, again that shows it. What about
42:34 Isaiah 10:21?
42:37 A remnant will return, the remnant of
42:41 Jacob to the mighty God. So clearly
42:42 Yahweh is described as the mighty God.
42:44 And it speaks about in Isaiah 9:6 that
42:48 mighty God will be born as a child.
42:51 What else? Jeremiah 32:18.
42:53 You show steadfast love to thousands,
42:55 but you repay the guilt of fathers to
42:58 their children after them. Oh great and
43:02 mighty God, whose name is
43:04 the Lord of hosts, Yahweh.
43:06 So their argument holds no weight when
43:07 it says, "Oh, he's just mighty God but
43:09 not Almighty God." It's not a good
43:12 argument. How many mighty gods are there?
43:14 there?
43:16 There's only one. There's only one. And
43:26 Yeah. Um All right. Uh next question.
43:28 Here we go from Brian. Thank you, Brian,
43:30 for sending in your super chat for us.
43:34 For since in the wisdom of God
43:36 the world did not know God through wisdom,
43:38 wisdom,
43:42 it pleased God through the folly of what
43:44 we preach
43:52 Brian says, "Can you give context to
43:54 Hebrews 10:38? Does it mean a believer
43:57 can lose faith? And if it does, the what
43:59 happens if they believe again years
44:03 later? Good question. So it says here,
44:05 "But my righteous one shall live by faith,
44:07 faith,
44:10 and if he shrinks back, my soul has no
44:13 pleasure in him." So the Hebrews are
44:15 feeling tempted to leave Christianity
44:19 and to go back to Judaism. And
44:20 And
44:22 in this chapter, he's described what's
44:24 going to happen to those who reject
44:27 Christ. And this is what the going on
44:28 sinning deliberately is talking talking
44:30 about. It's not just talking about
44:31 generally sinning because we all
44:33 generally sin deliberately at different
44:35 times in our life. This is talking about
44:37 going on sinning deliberately in
44:40 regarding regards to rejecting Jesus.
44:42 after you've come to the knowledge of
44:43 Jesus and you say you don't want him
44:45 anymore and you reject him altogether.
44:47 No sacrifice left for you if you die in
44:50 that unbelief.
44:51 Instead, there's just a fearful
44:53 expectation of judgment and a fury of
44:56 fire that will consume the adversaries.
44:58 So, he's really stressing out don't or
45:00 he's really encouraging these Hebrews
45:03 don't be like these people who give up
45:06 and go back to their old system of
45:10 belief because vengeance is mine. I will
45:13 repay, God says. And again, the Lord
45:16 will judge his people. It is a fearful
45:18 thing to fall into the hands of the
45:20 living God. You don't want to fall into
45:23 his hands of justice. But then he goes
45:24 on encourages them by saying, "But look,
45:28 but you guys after you were enlightened,
45:30 you endured a lot of sufferings,
45:32 sometimes being publicly exposed to
45:34 reproach and affliction, and sometimes
45:37 being partners with those so treated.
45:39 For you had compassion on those in
45:41 prison, and you joyfully accepted the
45:43 plundering of your property, since you
45:46 knew you had a better possession and an
45:48 abiding one.
45:50 Therefore, do not throw away your
45:52 confidence, which has a great reward.
45:54 So, it's it's clearly about throwing
45:56 away your faith,
45:59 guys. Don't throw away your faith. Even
46:01 if you're offered 30 pieces of silver to
46:03 throw away your faith, it's not worth
46:06 it. What's the benefit of having the 30
46:08 pieces of silver, having billions of
46:11 dollars, and then going to hell when you die?
46:13 die?
46:15 Don't throw away your confidence. It has
46:16 great reward.
46:18 For you have need of endurance. So, this
46:21 destroys free grace theology. People who
46:22 say that you don't need to keep on
46:26 believing. Yes, you do. You have need of
46:28 endurance so that when you have done the
46:30 will of God, you may receive what is
46:32 promised. What's the will of God? the
46:34 continuing to have trust in Christ.
46:35 You've done the will of God by
46:37 continuing to hold on to him in faith
46:39 and you'll receive what he's promised to
46:42 you. So you need endurance in that for
46:44 yet a little while and the coming one
46:46 will come and will not delay. Won't be
46:48 long Christian before your struggle here
46:49 with on this earth is up before Christ
46:52 comes back. But my righteous one shall
46:54 live by faith and if he shrinks back my
46:57 soul has no pleasure in him. Meaning if
46:58 he gives up on the faith and doesn't
47:01 have that trust in Jesus to the end, God
47:02 has no pleasure in that person. They're
47:04 going to hell. Not that they had
47:07 salvation and lost it. It's not saying
47:09 that at all. It's just that they profess
47:11 to be in Christ and then they're no
47:12 longer professing to be in Christ, which
47:15 evidences that they're not in Christ and
47:18 therefore never really were in Christ
47:20 even though they profess to for a long
47:22 time. But then have a look at verse 39.
47:25 I love this. But we are not of those who
47:27 shrink back and are destroyed. So the
47:29 true believers aren't of those who give
47:31 up. The false believers, yeah, they give
47:33 up. A lot of them give up before they
47:35 die. But the true ones don't. The true
47:37 ones don't shrink back. They don't give
47:39 up on trusting in Jesus. They hold on to
47:42 that confidence in him to the end. We
47:44 are of those who have faith. Notice, if
47:46 you have faith, you preserve your souls.
47:48 And if you have faith, you don't shrink
47:50 back. You don't really have faith, yeah,
47:51 you'll shrink back and you'll be
47:55 destroyed. and your soul will not be preserved.
47:57 preserved.
47:58 Hopefully, it's helpful, Brian, in
48:06 Uh, so Jonathan says, "So, apostasy and
48:08 throwing off the faith is actually a
48:09 thing." Yeah, there are people who
48:11 profess to be Christians and then they
48:13 no longer profess to be Christians. So,
48:14 it's like they're throwing off the
48:16 faith, but the reality is they never had
48:18 the faith to begin with. They just
48:20 professed to, but they didn't possess
48:22 saving faith.
48:24 A good passage that shows this would be
48:27 John 1 John 2:19.
48:29 They went out from us, but they were not
48:32 of us. For if they had been of us, they
48:36 would have continued with us. But they
48:38 went out that it might become plain that
48:44 they all are not of us.
48:46 Those you leave were not of us to begin with.
48:47 with.
48:49 Yes. As Denine says, an empty profession.
48:51 profession.
48:53 That's true. Empty profession. All
48:55 right. This one from Mike. Hey Ryan, how
48:58 do I explain to a non-believer
49:00 who is trying to argue the authenticity
49:04 of the Bible with the age of Ahaziah and
49:06 to prove that it's not a contradiction
49:11 slash error. Yeah, this one is quite
49:13 easy to explain. just bring it up in the
49:15 ESV translation or basically any modern translation
49:17 translation
49:21 and it's going to be the exact same age.
49:25 I'll show you. Aziah was 22 years old
49:26 when he began to reign. So, how old was
49:29 Aziah? Everyone put in the chat, how old
49:31 was Aziah?
49:35 According to 2 Kings 8:26,
49:39 Aziah was 22. Okay, 22 years old when he
49:41 began to reign. Okay, now let's see the
49:42 chronicles. This is the one where they
49:43 bring up their look. There's a
49:45 contradiction. Are you ready? I'm going
49:48 to bring it up and let's see what age it
49:53 says. 2 Chronicles 22:2. Aziah was 22
49:55 years old when he began to reign. He
49:57 reigned one year in Jerusalem. There's
50:00 no contradiction here. It literally has
50:03 the same age. I'll go back. This is 2
50:07 Kings 8:26. How old was he? 22. Go to 2
50:12 Chronicles 22:2. How old was he? 22
50:15 the exact same
50:18 age. No contradiction here.
50:20 And helpfully our modern translations
50:22 have this is because this is what the
50:24 manuscripts not just the Hebrew
50:26 manuscript like there there is a copiest
50:28 error in the Hebrew manuscripts but if
50:33 we incorporate the Syrian Coptic and um
50:35 other very early manuscripts they all
50:38 have 22 here. So 22 is the best reading
50:40 of the text. Hence why our modern
50:42 translations now that we know all this
50:44 information are going to have 22 and
50:45 that's why it has that. So their
50:49 argument only works if you use the KJV translation.
50:51 translation.
50:53 The KJV translation
50:56 they have unhelpfully made a mistake
50:58 here by saying that he was 42 years old
51:01 when Ahaziah began to rain.
51:04 Um, so yeah, this is only an error which
51:05 they can bring up in the KJV
51:08 translation, but not in our modern
51:11 translations like the ESV because
51:13 helpfully they incorporate all the
51:14 manuscripts that have been discovered
51:19 even since 400 years ago. Yeah.
51:21 Yeah.
51:22 So there's no issue there. There's
51:23 actually no contradictions. Go back to
51:24 your question, Mike. There's no
51:26 contradictions, no errors in the Bible,
51:28 not even ASI. show them in the ESV and
51:33 then it destroys their um argument.
51:37 All right, this one from YT. Is faith a
51:40 work or is it a result of grace? As in
51:42 do we merit faith or is it something
51:44 given to us?
51:46 Faith is not a work. We know that
51:48 because of Romans
51:50 4:5 which says, "And to the one who does
51:53 not work but believes, showing therefore
51:56 believing is not a work." Now baptism is
51:58 a work. Sharing the gospel is a work.
52:00 Going to church is a work. But faith is
52:02 not because it's something internal.
52:04 Works are external. Faith is something
52:07 internal. Faith is a conviction of the
52:09 heart. Works actions that happen
52:12 externally. So baptism and external
52:15 action. Circumcision external action.
52:16 Going to church external action. They're
52:19 all works. So simple. I don't know. I
52:21 don't I understand why people find that
52:23 controversial. Clearly anything external
52:26 is a work. things that are internal like
52:30 faith is not a work.
52:33 Now is it a result of grace?
52:35 Well, God grants us faith. It says that
52:38 in Philippians 1:29. So everything is by grace.
52:40 grace.
52:42 But faith is the means which God has
52:44 appointed for us to receive the grace of
52:46 salvation. For by grace you have been
52:49 saved through what? Faith. So the faith
52:51 is the means by which we access the
52:58 And do we merit faith or is it something
53:00 given to us? Well, it's granted to us.
53:02 Faith is granted, but it's still from
53:03 our perspective something that we've
53:05 chosen to do. We've chosen to trust in
53:09 Christ. But yes, it is God who granted
53:12 to us that we should not only believe in
53:14 him. So that that shows that believing
53:17 is granted but also suffering. Suffering
53:22 for Jesus would also be granted by God.
53:23 All right. All right, this one from Chu.
53:25 Thanks so much for sending a new super
53:35 >> Whether in pretense or in truth,
53:37 Christ is proclaimed
53:46 Um, okay. So Chu says, "Do you have a
53:47 few books of the Bible that I could
53:50 focus on to work on myself, my conduct,
53:53 and my love?"
53:54 Yes, I would say probably go through
53:56 Romans. Romans gives you first of all
53:59 great summary of the gospel in the first
54:01 number of chapters of it. But then the
54:05 final like chapters 12 through to 16 are
54:07 really helpful on practical Christian
54:10 living. 12 has like command after
54:11 command of how God wants us to live. And
54:14 so that'll help on your conduct, your
54:16 love and things like that. But I think
54:18 the first 11 chapters will also be
54:20 helpful in you just being reminded of
54:23 the gospel because the best motivator
54:26 for obedience, best motivator motivator
54:29 for holiness is on the back of the
54:32 gospel. What Christ has done for us
54:34 makes us want to be more obedient to
54:37 him. If you don't think you've been
54:39 shown that much love from God, then you
54:41 won't love him very much and therefore
54:42 you won't want to be that obedient to
54:44 him. The one who's been forgiven little
54:46 loves little. The one who's been
54:48 forgiven much loves much. Which is why
54:50 you'll find
54:52 the people like often Roman Catholics
54:54 who trust in their own obedience to get
54:56 to heaven and not just faith alone in
54:58 Christ alone often don't read their
55:02 Bibles that much don't really value
55:04 holiness as much as somebody who
55:05 believes we're saved by faith alone in
55:07 Christ alone. You'll often find them
55:08 being more holy the ones that are
55:10 trusting Christ alone not their works
55:13 because we don't think we're doing it
55:14 because we have to. We're doing it
55:16 because we love God. I mean, we know how
55:19 much he's shown us great love. You'll
55:20 find that that makes Christians more
55:23 obedient, far more obedient than those
55:25 who trust in works. So, Romans is a good
55:26 one. You probably go through like
55:28 something like Colossians or Ephesians.
55:29 Those two books are pretty good on
55:31 practical instructions for Christian
55:35 living as well.
55:37 Just a follow-up question from Kitty.
55:39 John 6:29 says, "Faith is a work." I
55:41 know you say it's it's the work God
55:43 does, but that totally nullifies the
55:46 context. It doesn't nullify the context.
55:49 They were asking in John 6, the crowd,
55:51 the unbelieving crowd saying, "What work
55:53 do we have to do to be doing the works
55:56 of God?" And then Jesus says, "This is
56:00 the work of God that you believe." As in
56:02 whose work is it? Is it your work? No,
56:05 it is the work of God. It's God's work.
56:07 Faith is God's work because God is the
56:09 one who does the drawing and the
56:11 granting and the softening of your
56:13 heart. He does all those sort of things
56:16 to save to bring a person to to faith in Christ.
56:17 Christ.
56:21 But Kitty, how you interpret John 6
56:23 cannot contradict the rest of the Bible.
56:25 At least how I interpret John 6 doesn't
56:28 contradict Romans 4:5. But how you've
56:31 interpreted John 6 does
56:32 to the one who does not work but
56:35 believes. So this clearly shows
56:36 believing is not a work. And not just
56:39 this verse, I'll give you another one.
56:42 Romans 11:6 says says this, "But if it
56:44 is by grace, it is no longer on the
56:46 basis of works. Otherwise, grace would
56:49 no longer be grace." So as soon as you
56:52 make salvation dependent upon your
56:54 works, even just one work, it's not
56:56 grace-based salvation. And so if you
56:58 want to say that faith is a work, then
57:00 you don't believe in grace-based
57:02 salvation. Simple as that. Because as
57:06 soon as it's on the basis of works, it's
57:08 not grace.
57:10 It's not grace.
57:15 So that is why faith cannot be a work.
57:17 And you couple this with Romans 4:16
57:20 which says that is why it depends on
57:23 faith in order that the promise may rest
57:26 on grace. It can only rest on grace if
57:28 it depends on faith. Why? Because faith
57:31 is not a work. But if faith is a work,
57:33 then it doesn't depend on grace because
57:36 grace means not works.
57:38 Yeah. So I think we've got to interpret
57:40 scripture consistently
57:42 and if what if your interpretation of a
57:44 particular verse contradicts
57:46 other verses then probably that would
57:48 mean your interpretation of that verse
57:54 Samuel's got a spicy question for us
57:56 here. Hey, appreciate your questions.
57:59 Even the spicy ones. Um this one, why do
58:00 you call yourself Protestant when you
58:02 condemn all the reformers for believing
58:04 baptism says and for believing real
58:07 presence of the Eucharist?
58:08 Hey, guess what? I call myself
58:10 particularly a Christian because that's
58:11 the only label that the Bible gives. Christian.
58:13 Christian.
58:17 Now, I have no issue if we because the
58:19 word Protestant just simply means it
58:22 doesn't mean you lived in the 16th
58:24 century or Yeah. the 16th or 17th
58:25 century. That's not what Protestant
58:29 means in today's con context, in today's
58:31 vernacular. What Protestant means in
58:35 today's vernacular is that you hold the
58:38 scripture as being the standard that you
58:40 check everything with as opposed to an
58:42 institution like the Catholic Church or
58:45 the Orthodox Church. So if that's what
58:48 the word Protestant means today,
58:49 it may have meant something different in
58:52 the 16th century, but what how it's used
58:56 today is those who hold scripture as
58:57 being the standard, then I can say,
58:58 "Yeah, I hold scripture as the
59:00 standard." And so based on that modern
59:02 definition of Protestant, I I guess
59:03 anyone who holds scripture as a standard
59:05 would be a Protestant then if they hold
59:09 that as the standard. Um now going to
59:11 the thing you said all the reformers
59:13 believe baptism saved. Really? Do they
59:14 think that justification happened by
59:18 baptism? Justification's by baptism. All
59:20 the reformers believe that.
59:23 Now you have Luther maybe indicating
59:26 that you don't find Calvin. You don't
59:28 find even the Westminster Confession of
59:30 Faith saying that baptism is what
59:32 justifies you. They actually make very
59:35 clear that justification happens
59:38 by the means the sole instrument of
59:40 justification. They say I showed it the
59:41 other day on the stream here. The sole
59:45 instrument of justification is faith.
59:47 And faith is not the same as baptism.
59:49 They're two different things. Two very
59:51 different things.
59:53 And so therefore, no, your statement is
59:55 just incorrect. And you probably got
59:57 that from Deem Zoomer or something like
59:59 that. He often likes to misrepresent
60:02 what the Protestants believe, what the um many of the early Protestants or
60:04 um many of the early Protestants or confessions of faith taught. Now, real
60:07 confessions of faith taught. Now, real presence in the Eucharist, what do you
60:09 presence in the Eucharist, what do you mean by real presence in the Eucharist?
60:11 mean by real presence in the Eucharist? Are you talking about
60:12 Are you talking about transubstantiation? Is that what you're
60:13 transubstantiation? Is that what you're meaning? What sense real? Because I can
60:16 meaning? What sense real? Because I can affirm when Jesus says, "This is my
60:18 affirm when Jesus says, "This is my body. This is my blood." I can say,
60:20 body. This is my blood." I can say, "Amen. That is his body and that his
60:22 "Amen. That is his body and that his blood." In what sense though? That it's
60:25 blood." In what sense though? That it's changed substance that it's somehow now
60:27 changed substance that it's somehow now just human blood and it's human flesh?
60:30 just human blood and it's human flesh? No. Cuz that's not even what Jesus
60:31 No. Cuz that's not even what Jesus meant.
60:33 meant. So what did Jesus mean when he said,
60:34 So what did Jesus mean when he said, "This is my body. This is my blood."
60:37 "This is my body. This is my blood." Clearly these elements point to him.
60:40 Clearly these elements point to him. Do this in remembrance of me. So clearly
60:43 Do this in remembrance of me. So clearly these things remind us of Jesus. His
60:44 these things remind us of Jesus. His body broken and blood shed. So therefore
60:47 body broken and blood shed. So therefore this is and this is is talking about
60:50 this is and this is is talking about this helps you remember what I will do
60:54 this helps you remember what I will do for you and now for us what he has done
60:56 for you and now for us what he has done for us. You don't do something in
60:59 for us. You don't do something in remembrance of him if it's actually just
61:01 remembrance of him if it's actually just him. If you actually got Jesus in front
61:03 him. If you actually got Jesus in front of you when you're holding the bread
61:05 of you when you're holding the bread that's just literally Jesus. You don't
61:06 that's just literally Jesus. You don't do this in remembrance of him when
61:08 do this in remembrance of him when you've got him there. If that's
61:09 you've got him there. If that's literally him. Clearly it's not
61:11 literally him. Clearly it's not literally him.
61:13 literally him. That's why he says, "Whenever you eat
61:14 That's why he says, "Whenever you eat the bread and drink the cup, you
61:17 the bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he
61:20 proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." But Samuel, feel free to come
61:22 comes." But Samuel, feel free to come for a viewer chat later on if you'd like
61:24 for a viewer chat later on if you'd like to. We could we could chat about these
61:25 to. We could we could chat about these things uh further if you'd like. But my
61:29 things uh further if you'd like. But my encouragement is
61:31 encouragement is check everything with the Bible.
61:33 check everything with the Bible. more so than checking it with a
61:36 more so than checking it with a reformer, checking it with this person
61:39 reformer, checking it with this person or that person, checking it with the a
61:41 or that person, checking it with the a in the inspired apostles, the prophets
61:45 in the inspired apostles, the prophets that are all contained in scripture.
61:47 that are all contained in scripture. That would be the best port of call.
61:50 That would be the best port of call. That would be the best thing to rely on
61:52 That would be the best thing to rely on rather than I'm of Paul, I'm not of
61:55 rather than I'm of Paul, I'm not of Cphus, you know, like they were doing in
61:57 Cphus, you know, like they were doing in first Corinthians. Now, we want to
61:59 first Corinthians. Now, we want to believe the entirety of God's
62:00 believe the entirety of God's revelation, and that's all contained in
62:02 revelation, and that's all contained in scripture. A reformer is not inspired of
62:05 scripture. A reformer is not inspired of the Holy Spirit to speak infallibly.
62:12 All right. Uh, this one from Tyson. Thank you so much, Tyson, for your super
62:14 Thank you so much, Tyson, for your super chat for us today. For there is no
62:18 chat for us today. For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and
62:22 distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are
62:26 fall short of the glory of God and are justified by his grace as a gift through
62:29 justified by his grace as a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
62:35 the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. >> And just quickly um Samuel who made that
62:38 >> And just quickly um Samuel who made that last comment, do you think water baptism
62:40 last comment, do you think water baptism justifies you?
62:42 justifies you? Do you think faith is the only means of
62:45 Do you think faith is the only means of justification? Like reformers actually
62:47 justification? Like reformers actually believe and as Paul taught, you are
62:48 believe and as Paul taught, you are justified by faith. Do you believe we're
62:50 justified by faith. Do you believe we're justified by faith or do you believe
62:53 justified by faith or do you believe justification happens by water baptism?
62:57 justification happens by water baptism? Samuel, what's your answer? I want to
62:59 Samuel, what's your answer? I want to hear what you say to that.
63:02 hear what you say to that. All right. Um Tyson has sent this one
63:04 All right. Um Tyson has sent this one in. Thank you so much, Tyson, for your
63:05 in. Thank you so much, Tyson, for your super chat. Does God ignore the prayers
63:08 super chat. Does God ignore the prayers of unbelievers since they don't have the
63:10 of unbelievers since they don't have the Holy Spirit interpreting for them? Uh,
63:13 Holy Spirit interpreting for them? Uh, love your ministry, Ryan. God bless you
63:14 love your ministry, Ryan. God bless you and the team. Thank you, Tyson.
63:16 and the team. Thank you, Tyson. Appreciate your kind words there.
63:19 Appreciate your kind words there. Does God ignore the prayers of
63:20 Does God ignore the prayers of unbelievers? Now, we don't know exactly
63:23 unbelievers? Now, we don't know exactly what God does with every prayer of an
63:25 what God does with every prayer of an unbeliever. There's some passages that
63:29 unbeliever. There's some passages that say things like, "God abhors the prayers
63:32 say things like, "God abhors the prayers of the wicked." So, there is a verse
63:34 of the wicked." So, there is a verse like that. Does that mean he doesn't
63:37 like that. Does that mean he doesn't ever hear them? Well, he hears
63:38 ever hear them? Well, he hears everything because he he knows
63:40 everything because he he knows everything. So, it's not like he's
63:43 everything. So, it's not like he's doesn't hear what they're actually
63:44 doesn't hear what they're actually saying. Let me give you a couple
63:46 saying. Let me give you a couple passages. So, first of all, you got
63:48 passages. So, first of all, you got Proverbs 15:29. The Lord is far from the
63:50 Proverbs 15:29. The Lord is far from the wicked, but he hears the prayers of the
63:53 wicked, but he hears the prayers of the righteous.
63:56 righteous. Um, you've got
63:59 Um, you've got passages that
64:06 uh let me have a look. Okay, Cornelius might be a good example.
64:08 might be a good example. Cornelius in Acts chapter 10, you
64:10 Cornelius in Acts chapter 10, you remember how he was described as being a
64:12 remember how he was described as being a god-fearer?
64:14 god-fearer? It says here, he was a devout man who
64:16 It says here, he was a devout man who feared God with all his household, gave
64:17 feared God with all his household, gave arms generously to the to the people,
64:20 arms generously to the to the people, and prayed continually to God. Now, this
64:23 and prayed continually to God. Now, this guy is not a Christian, by the way. He's
64:25 guy is not a Christian, by the way. He's an un he's he's a believer in God, a
64:27 an un he's he's a believer in God, a God-fearer, but he's not saved at this
64:29 God-fearer, but he's not saved at this moment in time,
64:32 moment in time, right? So then if we go then to the
64:37 right? So then if we go then to the uh next verse it says about the 9inth
64:39 uh next verse it says about the 9inth hour of the day he saw clearly in a
64:41 hour of the day he saw clearly in a vision an angel of God come in and say
64:43 vision an angel of God come in and say to him Cornelius and he stared at him in
64:46 to him Cornelius and he stared at him in terror and said what is it Lord and he
64:48 terror and said what is it Lord and he said to him your prayers and your arms
64:51 said to him your prayers and your arms have been have ascended as a memorial
64:54 have been have ascended as a memorial before God. This is not a Christian but
64:57 before God. This is not a Christian but his prayers are ascending as a memorial
64:59 his prayers are ascending as a memorial to God.
65:02 to God. Hm. Now, you might say, "Oh, how do you
65:04 Hm. Now, you might say, "Oh, how do you know he wasn't saved, Ryan?" Well,
65:05 know he wasn't saved, Ryan?" Well, because literally Peter's going to go
65:07 because literally Peter's going to go and preach the gospel to him, and he's
65:08 and preach the gospel to him, and he's going to get saved. If you look in Acts
65:10 going to get saved. If you look in Acts 11, it tells us that as well. Let's see
65:13 11, it tells us that as well. Let's see if I can give you the exact verse, the
65:15 if I can give you the exact verse, the very next chapter,
65:18 very next chapter, it mentions,
65:20 it mentions, here we go, verse 13. And he told us how
65:24 here we go, verse 13. And he told us how he had seen the angel stand in his house
65:26 he had seen the angel stand in his house and say, "Send to Jopa and bring Simon
65:29 and say, "Send to Jopa and bring Simon who is called Peter. And he will declare
65:32 who is called Peter. And he will declare to you a message by which you will be
65:34 to you a message by which you will be saved, you and all your household."
65:38 saved, you and all your household." Notice a message that you'll be saved.
65:41 Notice a message that you'll be saved. So Cornelius was unsaved at the time
65:44 So Cornelius was unsaved at the time when God says his prayers have ascended
65:46 when God says his prayers have ascended as a memorial before him, but he was
65:49 as a memorial before him, but he was clearly part of the elect. The fact that
65:52 clearly part of the elect. The fact that he got saved is evidence of that. And so
65:55 he got saved is evidence of that. And so it seemed that God accepted his prayers
65:57 it seemed that God accepted his prayers even before he was saved.
66:00 even before he was saved. But if somebody is maybe not of the
66:04 But if somebody is maybe not of the elect, maybe it might mean that God just
66:06 elect, maybe it might mean that God just never ever accept their prayers.
66:09 never ever accept their prayers. That could be uh what interesting.
66:12 That could be uh what interesting. Cornelius did try to worship Peter.
66:14 Cornelius did try to worship Peter. That's true. That would the sinful
66:15 That's true. That would the sinful thing.
66:21 Uh, you've got I'm thinking of first Peter 1 Peter 3
66:25 I'm thinking of first Peter 1 Peter 3 12.
66:27 12. For the eyes of the Lord are on the
66:28 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous and his ears are open to their
66:30 righteous and his ears are open to their prayer. So we can know this for
66:32 prayer. So we can know this for believers Lord's ears are very open to
66:35 believers Lord's ears are very open to our prayers. For unbelievers it seems
66:38 our prayers. For unbelievers it seems that they're not as much unless maybe
66:40 that they're not as much unless maybe you're of the elect. So you will come to
66:42 you're of the elect. So you will come to faith in Jesus then God will be open to
66:46 faith in Jesus then God will be open to your prayers. But it's if you're a
66:48 your prayers. But it's if you're a believer that evidences that you are
66:50 believer that evidences that you are elect. And so definitely the Lord uh his
66:54 elect. And so definitely the Lord uh his ears are open to your prayers.
67:02 Yeah. Now I want to see did Samuel answer my question. Not sure if you guys
67:05 answer my question. Not sure if you guys saw it.
67:07 saw it. Let's have a look. Let's have a look.
67:10 Let's have a look. Let's have a look. It's not starred in the chat. So I'm not
67:12 It's not starred in the chat. So I'm not sure if one of our mods saw it.
67:15 sure if one of our mods saw it. Uh, did any of our mods see it? Um,
67:18 Uh, did any of our mods see it? Um, where I asked Samuel, are we justified
67:20 where I asked Samuel, are we justified by faith in Christ alone or we justified
67:23 by faith in Christ alone or we justified by baptism?
67:25 by baptism? What a baptism that is. How does
67:28 What a baptism that is. How does justification happen? So, let us know
67:30 justification happen? So, let us know Samuel and you should come for a viewer
67:32 Samuel and you should come for a viewer chat in a bit.
67:35 chat in a bit. Um, okay.
67:43 So, just uncheck this. Um, Operation Gayscale says, "Rina stated sins that
67:46 Gayscale says, "Rina stated sins that Catholic commits
67:48 Catholic commits mean that they aren't true believers.
67:51 mean that they aren't true believers. It's not about sins that they commit.
67:53 It's not about sins that they commit. It's that they that many Catholics trust
67:56 It's that they that many Catholics trust in their works to get them to heaven."
67:58 in their works to get them to heaven." Now, some Catholics who call themselves
67:59 Now, some Catholics who call themselves Catholics who who may trust in Christ
68:01 Catholics who who may trust in Christ alone and so therefore they're saved,
68:07 right? I'm not sure how you're linking this up
68:08 I'm not sure how you're linking this up with divorce and remarage, but you know,
68:11 with divorce and remarage, but you know, we love our Catholic friends and family
68:13 we love our Catholic friends and family and other people like that, but we just
68:15 and other people like that, but we just want them to depend on Jesus to get us
68:17 want them to depend on Jesus to get us to get them to heaven rather than works.
68:20 to get them to heaven rather than works. Here we go. Dan says he did not. Samuel,
68:24 Here we go. Dan says he did not. Samuel, where have you gone, bro? Where have you
68:25 where have you gone, bro? Where have you gone? Do you believe that justification
68:28 gone? Do you believe that justification happens by baptism
68:30 happens by baptism like the Roman Catholics believe or do
68:32 like the Roman Catholics believe or do you believe it happens by faith like how
68:35 you believe it happens by faith like how the Bible teaches and interestingly how
68:38 the Bible teaches and interestingly how many of the reformers taught
68:39 many of the reformers taught justification happens by faith not water
68:42 justification happens by faith not water baptism.
68:47 Um, cool. All right, these are great questions. We're going to do some Bible
68:49 questions. We're going to do some Bible trivia. Well, hopefully Samuel's going
68:50 trivia. Well, hopefully Samuel's going to respond to us. Um, but we'll see.
68:53 to respond to us. Um, but we'll see. Let's do now some Bible trivia with you.
68:55 Let's do now some Bible trivia with you. Bible trivia. Here we go. Test your
68:59 Bible trivia. Here we go. Test your knowledge. Let it show. Right here
69:01 knowledge. Let it show. Right here ongod.net.
69:03 ongod.net. Who can get it first? Are you ready yet?
69:11 >> Hey, I'm so excited. Look who's here today. Look who's here today doing some
69:14 today. Look who's here today doing some Bible trivia with us. We got Beck. She's
69:17 Bible trivia with us. We got Beck. She's like the only one in the stream. Where's
69:19 like the only one in the stream. Where's the rest of the team?
69:19 the rest of the team? >> I know. I was like, I better put my
69:21 >> I know. I was like, I better put my camera. Are they all disappearing?
69:22 camera. Are they all disappearing? Someone else is here.
69:23 Someone else is here. >> They're all busy.
69:25 >> They're all busy. Where's the rest? Maybe they're
69:26 Where's the rest? Maybe they're listening. Hey, look who's come in.
69:28 listening. Hey, look who's come in. Edson, good to have you here. Yes, Beck
69:32 Edson, good to have you here. Yes, Beck is here. World famous Beck. All right.
69:35 is here. World famous Beck. All right. Now,
69:37 Now, hey, have you got a suggestion, Beck,
69:39 hey, have you got a suggestion, Beck, for what? Um, trivia topic. Bible trivia
69:44 for what? Um, trivia topic. Bible trivia topic.
69:52 >> James says, "My son sitting beside said Bible trivia." Here we go.
69:56 Bible trivia." Here we go. Yeah. Well, sorry. Go for it, P.
69:58 Yeah. Well, sorry. Go for it, P. >> What about like animals in the Bible?
70:01 >> What about like animals in the Bible? >> Oh, animals in the Bible. What do you
70:03 >> Oh, animals in the Bible. What do you guys think about that? That sounds
70:04 guys think about that? That sounds interesting.
70:06 interesting. Hey, that to be good. Edson's like,
70:09 Hey, that to be good. Edson's like, "Yes, Revelation has got some animals,
70:11 "Yes, Revelation has got some animals, doesn't it?"
70:20 Oh, good. Let's do this. All right. What was the animal that spoke to Balum?
70:23 What was the animal that spoke to Balum? Was it a lion, a dove, a donkey, or a
70:26 Was it a lion, a dove, a donkey, or a goat?
70:28 goat? All right, go for it, Beck.
70:32 All right, go for it, Beck. >> A donkey.
70:34 >> A donkey. >> It was a donkey. What animal did Noah
70:37 >> It was a donkey. What animal did Noah send out of the ark first? Was it a
70:39 send out of the ark first? Was it a raven, a dove, a sparrow, or an eagle?
70:44 raven, a dove, a sparrow, or an eagle? Edson, what do you think?
70:46 Edson, what do you think? >> Raven.
70:49 >> Raven. It was a raven. Correct. And then he
70:51 It was a raven. Correct. And then he sent the dove after that. Next.
71:00 Whoa. That was someone in the jity room making
71:02 That was someone in the jity room making a lot of noise there. It looks like
71:05 a lot of noise there. It looks like someone. Who was that?
71:09 someone. Who was that? That was Paul. Oh, Paul. What you doing?
71:11 That was Paul. Oh, Paul. What you doing? >> That was a man trying to get your
71:13 >> That was a man trying to get your attention to put me on stage.
71:15 attention to put me on stage. >> I do that with the all the time.
71:18 >> I do that with the all the time. Okay. All right. Um, next one. Which
71:22 Okay. All right. Um, next one. Which animal did Jonah compare his life to
71:25 animal did Jonah compare his life to when he prayed inside the fish?
71:33 What do you think? Um, I'll give you options. Camel, serpent, ox,
71:37 options. Camel, serpent, ox, or
71:39 or fish. What do you think, Paul?
71:43 fish. What do you think, Paul? >> Well, it was in a fish. I don't know if
71:45 >> Well, it was in a fish. I don't know if he compared his life to the fish. So, I
71:47 he compared his life to the fish. So, I don't know. I'm a bit confused.
71:49 don't know. I'm a bit confused. >> Yeah, this is a tricky one. Uh, so does
71:52 >> Yeah, this is a tricky one. Uh, so does anyone remember this? Uh, let me see.
71:56 anyone remember this? Uh, let me see. Actually, don't think he did at all.
71:58 Actually, don't think he did at all. Yeah, I don't think that's a good
71:59 Yeah, I don't think that's a good question. So, we'll scrap that one.
72:01 question. So, we'll scrap that one. We'll scrap that one.
72:03 We'll scrap that one. I don't think he he talked about seaweed
72:05 I don't think he he talked about seaweed wrapping around his head, didn't he? He
72:07 wrapping around his head, didn't he? He talked about waters clothing it closing
72:10 talked about waters clothing it closing in. He thought he was in the belly of
72:11 in. He thought he was in the belly of Shol.
72:13 Shol. Yeah. So, maybe that's a trick question.
72:16 Yeah. So, maybe that's a trick question. Okay, we'll go to the next one. All
72:18 Okay, we'll go to the next one. All right, next.
72:20 right, next. What animal did Samson kill when he was
72:24 What animal did Samson kill when he was traveling to Timna? Was it a bear, a
72:28 traveling to Timna? Was it a bear, a lion, a wolf, or a wild ox?
72:32 lion, a wolf, or a wild ox? Okay, we'll give that one to you, Paul.
72:40 >> Um, was that a lion? >> The answer was a lion. Nice. The one
72:42 >> The answer was a lion. Nice. The one where you then found honey in it later
72:44 where you then found honey in it later on, didn't he?
72:46 on, didn't he? a beehive in there. Next one. What
72:48 a beehive in there. Next one. What animal did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on?
72:52 animal did Jesus ride into Jerusalem on? Was it a camel, a horse, a donkey, or a
72:56 Was it a camel, a horse, a donkey, or a mule? Edson, what do you think?
72:59 mule? Edson, what do you think? >> A donkey.
73:01 >> A donkey. >> Donkey. Now, what is Satan compared to
73:04 >> Donkey. Now, what is Satan compared to in the Bible in 1 Peter 5'8
73:07 in the Bible in 1 Peter 5'8 in that passage specifically? Is he a
73:10 in that passage specifically? Is he a serpent, a wild dog, a roaring lion, or
73:13 serpent, a wild dog, a roaring lion, or a jackal? What do you think, Beck?
73:18 a jackal? What do you think, Beck? >> A roaring lion?
73:20 >> A roaring lion? >> Roaring lion. Nice work. Now, he's
73:22 >> Roaring lion. Nice work. Now, he's described as a serpent later on, but not
73:24 described as a serpent later on, but not there in First Peter 5:8.
73:28 there in First Peter 5:8. For those wondering what that passage
73:29 For those wondering what that passage says, here it is.
73:32 says, here it is. Be sober minded. Be watchful. Your
73:34 Be sober minded. Be watchful. Your adversary, the devil, prowls around like
73:36 adversary, the devil, prowls around like a roaring lion seeking someone to
73:39 a roaring lion seeking someone to devour.
73:40 devour. Next one.
73:43 Next one. What animals
73:45 What animals animals did God use to feed Elijah by
73:50 animals did God use to feed Elijah by the brook?
73:52 the brook? Was it sparrows, ravens, doves, or
73:54 Was it sparrows, ravens, doves, or eagles?
73:56 eagles? Paul, what do you think?
73:58 Paul, what do you think? >> Ravens.
74:01 >> Ravens. >> Yeah, the answer is ravens. Well done.
74:04 >> Yeah, the answer is ravens. Well done. Next one. What animal was sent out into
74:07 Next one. What animal was sent out into the wilderness on the day of atonement?
74:10 the wilderness on the day of atonement? Was it a sheep, an ox, a goat, or a
74:13 Was it a sheep, an ox, a goat, or a donkey?
74:15 donkey? Edson.
74:17 Edson. >> Goat.
74:18 >> Goat. >> It was a goat. Call it the scapegoat.
74:22 >> It was a goat. Call it the scapegoat. Great work. What fish?
74:25 Great work. What fish? Um,
74:26 Um, actually, no. Ask this one. What animal
74:29 actually, no. Ask this one. What animal did Jesus use as an example of God's
74:33 did Jesus use as an example of God's care in Matthew 6?
74:36 care in Matthew 6? Was it a fox, a lion, a goat, or a bird?
74:44 Was it a fox, a lion, a goat, or a bird? So, he also talks about consider the
74:45 So, he also talks about consider the liies, how they grow and things like
74:47 liies, how they grow and things like that. They neither toil nor spin. But he
74:51 that. They neither toil nor spin. But he gives an example of an animal talking
74:53 gives an example of an animal talking about God's care for for Christians.
74:55 about God's care for for Christians. What do you think, Beck?
74:58 What do you think, Beck? Birds of the air.
75:00 Birds of the air. >> Yeah, nice work. Consider the birds of
75:04 >> Yeah, nice work. Consider the birds of the air. They don't have storehouses
75:06 the air. They don't have storehouses where they store their stuff, but God
75:09 where they store their stuff, but God still feeds them. And you see that every
75:11 still feeds them. And you see that every day the birds are around doing their
75:13 day the birds are around doing their thing, singing their songs and uh
75:16 thing, singing their songs and uh gathering food.
75:18 gathering food. All right. Next. And then you we've
75:20 All right. Next. And then you we've we've had like some magpies around here
75:22 we've had like some magpies around here recently and they've had some babies.
75:23 recently and they've had some babies. And so it's interesting like how the
75:25 And so it's interesting like how the mother mother and father make pies would
75:28 mother mother and father make pies would grab some food or whatever they find and
75:30 grab some food or whatever they find and then bring it over to the babies and
75:31 then bring it over to the babies and feed them. Yeah, it's amazing how God
75:35 feed them. Yeah, it's amazing how God has designed them to be able to do all
75:37 has designed them to be able to do all those sort of things and know how to do
75:38 those sort of things and know how to do it as well. All right, next.
75:45 We're still looking for a horse one, aren't we, Beck?
75:58 In so when Solomon talked about his, you know, he's a very wealthy man. He
76:01 know, he's a very wealthy man. He imported his horses from which country?
76:06 imported his horses from which country? Which country did Solomon import his
76:09 Which country did Solomon import his horses for? And I believe they're about
76:12 horses for? And I believe they're about 150 shekels each, I think, if I remember
76:13 150 shekels each, I think, if I remember correctly. Something like that. Which
76:16 correctly. Something like that. Which country was it? Syria,
76:20 country was it? Syria, Cissia,
76:21 Cissia, Egypt, or Ethiopia.
76:26 Egypt, or Ethiopia. All right, what do you think, Paul?
76:28 All right, what do you think, Paul? >> I'm going to say Egypt.
76:30 >> I'm going to say Egypt. >> It was Egypt. Nice work. So good. And
76:36 >> It was Egypt. Nice work. So good. And now this one's for Edson because it's
76:37 now this one's for Edson because it's Revelation. Ready?
76:40 Revelation. Ready? Which animal is mentioned in Revelation
76:42 Which animal is mentioned in Revelation 4:7 as one of the living creatures
76:44 4:7 as one of the living creatures around God's throne?
76:48 around God's throne? Is it a lion, an ox, a man, or an eagle?
76:57 >> All of them. >> Correct. The answer is all of them. Wow.
77:01 >> Correct. The answer is all of them. Wow. Edson even got that. That was going to
77:02 Edson even got that. That was going to be like a almost like a trick question.
77:04 be like a almost like a trick question. And he got it. You can't trick Edson
77:06 And he got it. You can't trick Edson with the book of Revelation.
77:09 with the book of Revelation. That's so good to see that. All right,
77:11 That's so good to see that. All right, let's do some
77:14 let's do some questions here on some particular verses
77:17 questions here on some particular verses in the Bible. We might do
77:21 in the Bible. We might do entire Bible today. Five verses.
77:25 entire Bible today. Five verses. Here we go.
77:27 Here we go. And Ruth the Moabitete said to Naomi,
77:30 And Ruth the Moabitete said to Naomi, "Let me go to the field and glean among
77:32 "Let me go to the field and glean among the ears of grain after him, in whose
77:34 the ears of grain after him, in whose sight I shall find favor."
77:36 sight I shall find favor." And she said to her, "Go, my daughter."
77:41 And she said to her, "Go, my daughter." >> Okay. So, was that from Ruth Daniel 1st
77:44 >> Okay. So, was that from Ruth Daniel 1st Chronicles or Amos? What do you think,
77:46 Chronicles or Amos? What do you think, Beck?
77:48 Beck? >> That's from Ruth 22.
77:55 >> Jamie guess Amos. Says Ruth in there. Yeah, he's probably
77:57 Says Ruth in there. Yeah, he's probably joking. Nice work, Ruth 22.
77:59 joking. Nice work, Ruth 22. >> You therefore must be perfect as your
78:02 >> You therefore must be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect.
78:03 heavenly father is perfect. >> Yeah. All right, Paul, what's this one?
78:09 >> Yeah. All right, Paul, what's this one? >> Um, that would be Matthew 5:48.
78:12 >> Um, that would be Matthew 5:48. >> Matthew 5:48. Nice work.
78:14 >> Matthew 5:48. Nice work. >> But the princes of the Ammonites said to
78:16 >> But the princes of the Ammonites said to Han, their lord, do you think because
78:18 Han, their lord, do you think because David has sent comforters to you that he
78:20 David has sent comforters to you that he is honoring your father? Has not David
78:23 is honoring your father? Has not David sent his servants to you to search the
78:24 sent his servants to you to search the city and to spy it out and to overthrow
78:26 city and to spy it out and to overthrow it?
78:28 it? >> Okay, Edson, what do you think? Is that
78:30 >> Okay, Edson, what do you think? Is that Job, 2 Samuel, 2 Chronicles, and
78:33 Job, 2 Samuel, 2 Chronicles, and Ezekiel? Maybe give us the context of
78:35 Ezekiel? Maybe give us the context of what you think the context is first.
78:37 what you think the context is first. >> Okay. So, David was good friends with a
78:40 >> Okay. So, David was good friends with a king and then he died and then he sent
78:43 king and then he died and then he sent some of his officials and um to the new
78:48 some of his officials and um to the new king and then the new king shaved their
78:51 king and then the new king shaved their beards, I believe.
78:54 beards, I believe. Um so, I'll guess second Samuel.
78:58 Um so, I'll guess second Samuel. >> H like didn't they like rip their
79:01 >> H like didn't they like rip their clothing in half and things like that?
79:03 clothing in half and things like that? Yeah. So, 2 Samuel, nice work.
79:07 Yeah. So, 2 Samuel, nice work. >> A time to weep and a time to laugh. A
79:10 >> A time to weep and a time to laugh. A time to mourn and a time to dance.
79:13 time to mourn and a time to dance. >> Where's Joan? It's his favorite book.
79:16 >> Where's Joan? It's his favorite book. All right. What do you think? Is this
79:17 All right. What do you think? Is this Ecclesiastes, Judges, Zechariah, or
79:20 Ecclesiastes, Judges, Zechariah, or First Samuel? What do you think there,
79:22 First Samuel? What do you think there, Beck?
79:24 Beck? >> That's Ecclesiastes. I'm actually
79:25 >> That's Ecclesiastes. I'm actually reading
79:26 reading >> Ecclesiastes. Oh, no. I just finished
79:28 >> Ecclesiastes. Oh, no. I just finished it.
79:30 it. >> Yeah, you're
79:31 >> Yeah, you're >> for such a one. This punishment by the
79:33 >> for such a one. This punishment by the majority is enough.
79:35 majority is enough. >> All right. Is this Acts 2, 2
79:38 >> All right. Is this Acts 2, 2 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, or Second Peter?
79:41 Corinthians, 1 Timothy, or Second Peter? What do you think, Paul?
79:44 What do you think, Paul? >> Uh, I'm going to have go at Second
79:47 >> Uh, I'm going to have go at Second Corinthians.
79:49 Corinthians. >> Second Corinthians. What do you think
79:50 >> Second Corinthians. What do you think the context is?
79:52 the context is? >> Couldn't tell you.
79:54 >> Couldn't tell you. >> Okay. Yeah. I think context is he's just
79:58 >> Okay. Yeah. I think context is he's just spoken about,
80:00 spoken about, you know, how if a person's repented and
80:02 you know, how if a person's repented and they've come to their senses, well, you
80:04 they've come to their senses, well, you know, restore them. Don't let them just
80:08 know, restore them. Don't let them just still be considered an outcast. Restore
80:09 still be considered an outcast. Restore them back into the fellowship. Nice
80:12 them back into the fellowship. Nice work. We got 100%.
80:16 work. We got 100%. And a new best time even. Good job, you
80:18 And a new best time even. Good job, you guys. That's u that was really epic of
80:21 guys. That's u that was really epic of you guys getting that. And I thought
80:24 you guys getting that. And I thought because it's it's a different day, you
80:27 because it's it's a different day, you know, it's Friday for us here in
80:28 know, it's Friday for us here in Australia, maybe Thursday for where you
80:30 Australia, maybe Thursday for where you guys are, I thought I'd even give you
80:33 guys are, I thought I'd even give you some trivia of something that we don't
80:34 some trivia of something that we don't do very regularly here on this stream,
80:38 do very regularly here on this stream, but it's going to be Bible trivia, but
80:41 but it's going to be Bible trivia, but your it's going to be based on the need
80:44 your it's going to be based on the need God.net songs. So, I'm going to play a
80:46 God.net songs. So, I'm going to play a small snippet of these songs, and you
80:49 small snippet of these songs, and you have to tell us which book of the Bible
80:52 have to tell us which book of the Bible you think this is from.
80:55 you think this is from. Are you ready, Paul, Edson, and Beck?
80:58 Are you ready, Paul, Edson, and Beck? You guys ready in the chat?
81:01 You guys ready in the chat? Okay, here we go.
81:11 For what credit is it when you sin and are beaten for it? you
81:15 when you sin and are beaten for it? you endure.
81:22 But if when you do good and suffer for it, you endure,
81:25 it, you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of
81:28 this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.
81:30 God. >> Okay. Now, with this, you're going to
81:32 >> Okay. Now, with this, you're going to have to guess who the book, but also
81:34 have to guess who the book, but also tell me what the next line is. What do
81:37 tell me what the next line is. What do you think the next line is? Okay, Beck,
81:39 you think the next line is? Okay, Beck, I'm going to go for you cuz you're
81:40 I'm going to go for you cuz you're singing, it looks like.
81:42 singing, it looks like. >> Yeah. For to this you have been called
81:47 >> Yeah. For to this you have been called for Christ also suffered for you leaving
81:49 for Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example
81:52 you an example that we might follow in his steps. It's
81:55 that we might follow in his steps. It's um first Peter 3.
81:59 um first Peter 3. Hey, first Peter chapter, not three.
82:02 Hey, first Peter chapter, not three. Chapter.
82:04 Chapter. >> Oh, four.
82:06 >> Oh, four. >> Lower.
82:06 >> Lower. >> I can't remember where it is.
82:08 >> I can't remember where it is. >> Five.
82:09 >> Five. >> Lower. Lower's. I said lower. Higher.
82:12 >> Lower. Lower's. I said lower. Higher. >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, yeah. Two.
82:14 >> Wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, yeah. Two. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
82:16 Yeah, yeah, yeah. >> That's so funny. Well done, Jamie.
82:18 >> That's so funny. Well done, Jamie. Getting that in the chat. I think Carol
82:20 Getting that in the chat. I think Carol got it as well. Um, and a couple other
82:23 got it as well. Um, and a couple other people got that first. Peter. All right,
82:25 people got that first. Peter. All right, let's see if she was right with the next
82:27 let's see if she was right with the next line. Are you ready?
82:36 >> For to this you have been called cuz Christ also suffered for you leaving
82:39 cuz Christ also suffered for you leaving you an example
82:42 you an example so that you might follow in his step.
82:47 so that you might follow in his step. >> Yeah.
82:49 >> Yeah. All right. Okay. Now, good job you guys.
82:52 All right. Okay. Now, good job you guys. I'll take that off the screen just again
82:54 I'll take that off the screen just again so that we can um not give you give it
82:56 so that we can um not give you give it away what the next one is. I'm going to
82:58 away what the next one is. I'm going to shuffle shuffle.
83:01 shuffle shuffle. Are you ready for another one?
83:10 Okay, this one. Oh foolish Galatians
83:13 Oh foolish Galatians who has bewitched you
83:16 who has bewitched you who was before your eyes that Jesus
83:19 who was before your eyes that Jesus Christ was publicly crucified.
83:23 Christ was publicly crucified. >> All right. Now this one may not be as
83:25 >> All right. Now this one may not be as hard. This should be I think most of you
83:29 hard. This should be I think most of you better get this because it mentioned the
83:32 better get this because it mentioned the book name in the lyrics. So
83:37 book name in the lyrics. So all right. Um, Paul, what do you think?
83:41 all right. Um, Paul, what do you think? >> Hey, Bruce.
83:44 >> Hey, Bruce. >> No. No. Come on.
83:48 >> No. No. Come on. No. Are you serious?
83:55 Oh, foolish Hebrews. Who has been witched you?
83:58 Who has been witched you? What was it? Oh, foolish.
84:04 Okay, we can't get it. All right, let's go to Edson. What do you think?
84:06 go to Edson. What do you think? Galatians.
84:08 Galatians. >> Galatians. Nice work.
84:15 >> All right. And Edson, what do you think the next line is?
84:17 the next line is? >> Um, did you receive the spirit by works
84:21 >> Um, did you receive the spirit by works of the law or by hearing through faith?
84:26 of the law or by hearing through faith? Something similar.
84:28 Something similar. >> Yeah, let's hear it.
84:29 >> Yeah, let's hear it. >> Let me ask you this. Did you receive the
84:34 >> Let me ask you this. Did you receive the spirit by works of the law or by hearing
84:37 spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith?
84:39 with faith? >> Well done. That was really good, Edson.
84:41 >> Well done. That was really good, Edson. All right, let me give you another one.
84:59 Now the disciples went to Galilee to the mountain to which Jesus had
85:02 to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them and when they saw him they
85:06 directed them and when they saw him they worshiped him but some doubted but some
85:08 worshiped him but some doubted but some doubted and Jesus came and said to them
85:13 doubted and Jesus came and said to them all authority
85:15 all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to
85:19 in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
85:20 me. >> Okay, I'm gonna give this one to Paul.
85:23 >> Okay, I'm gonna give this one to Paul. What do you think?
85:26 What do you think? >> I have no idea what these songs mean.
85:29 >> I have no idea what these songs mean. Sorry.
85:29 Sorry. >> Okay. All right. Uh, let's go to Beck.
85:34 >> Okay. All right. Uh, let's go to Beck. >> Yeah. So, that's the great commission.
85:36 >> Yeah. So, that's the great commission. Matthew 28. Go therefore and make
85:39 Matthew 28. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations,
85:42 disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father
85:46 baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Spirit. And
85:48 and of the Spirit. And >> no, and of the Son and of the Holy
85:50 >> no, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them.
85:52 Spirit, teaching them. >> Yeah. Do you guys hear that song at the
85:54 >> Yeah. Do you guys hear that song at the end of every song?
85:55 end of every song? >> Yeah, it's our outro song with the
85:57 >> Yeah, it's our outro song with the string. Here we go.
86:06 >> And make disciples of all nations with the name of the Father
86:09 with the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
86:15 and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit. >> Good job. Yeah, that was good. I'll give
86:17 >> Good job. Yeah, that was good. I'll give you one more. Here we go. You guys are
86:19 you one more. Here we go. You guys are doing amazing with this.
86:22 doing amazing with this. Which one should I give you?
86:30 Okay, we might do this one.
86:44 But now the rightousness of God
86:46 of God has been manifested apart from the law.
86:50 has been manifested apart from the law. Although the law and the prophets bear
86:53 Although the law and the prophets bear witness to it,
86:58 witness to it, the righteousness of God
87:02 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ
87:07 through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe.
87:10 for all who believe. I played this one earlier with a super
87:12 I played this one earlier with a super chat button. Let's see if that gives a
87:14 chat button. Let's see if that gives a hint to anyone. All right, Edson, what
87:17 hint to anyone. All right, Edson, what do you think?
87:19 do you think? Romans.
87:22 Romans. Um, yeah. Am I right?
87:24 Um, yeah. Am I right? >> Yeah. Yeah, you're correct. It is
87:25 >> Yeah. Yeah, you're correct. It is Romans. Good job. Do you remember the
87:27 Romans. Good job. Do you remember the chapter?
87:28 chapter? >> Chapter three.
87:32 >> Chapter three. >> Good job. Jamie got that as well. A few
87:34 >> Good job. Jamie got that as well. A few others getting that in the chat. Romans
87:36 others getting that in the chat. Romans 3. And what's the next line?
87:39 3. And what's the next line? >> For all have sinned and fall short of
87:42 >> For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
87:44 the glory of God. >> Yeah. Is it for there's no distinction?
87:46 >> Yeah. Is it for there's no distinction? Have we said that already? Yeah. And
87:48 Have we said that already? Yeah. And then for all have sinned and foreshort.
87:51 then for all have sinned and foreshort. Let's see if you're right. Are you
87:52 Let's see if you're right. Are you ready?
87:54 ready? >> For there is no distinction. For all
87:58 >> For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory
88:03 have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and are justified by his grace as
88:07 of God and are justified by his grace as a gift through the redemption that is in
88:10 a gift through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
88:14 Christ Jesus. >> Hey, well done. Well done you guys. And
88:17 >> Hey, well done. Well done you guys. And Jamie says, "I've memorized this song
88:19 Jamie says, "I've memorized this song and now I know it off by heart because
88:20 and now I know it off by heart because of the song." Praise God. That's that's
88:22 of the song." Praise God. That's that's why we put these songs out so that you
88:23 why we put these songs out so that you guys can listen to them regularly, get
88:25 guys can listen to them regularly, get them in your head, and then you know
88:27 them in your head, and then you know like entire sections of the Bible off by
88:29 like entire sections of the Bible off by heart, which is so good. And so I to
88:32 heart, which is so good. And so I to play those songs, you know what I just
88:33 play those songs, you know what I just did? I just went on to the needgod.net
88:35 did? I just went on to the needgod.net website.
88:37 website. That's what I did. I'll show it again.
88:39 That's what I did. I'll show it again. And then you just click on the music
88:41 And then you just click on the music page right here. And all the songs are
88:44 page right here. And all the songs are here. And you can just play them. And
88:45 here. And you can just play them. And then it just um you can shuffle them.
88:49 then it just um you can shuffle them. You can search for the songs that we
88:50 You can search for the songs that we have. They're all right there. It's
88:52 have. They're all right there. It's really cool. All right. Now, I'm going
88:53 really cool. All right. Now, I'm going to ask Edson, what's your bonus question
88:56 to ask Edson, what's your bonus question for us? Okay, so it's a true or false.
89:01 for us? Okay, so it's a true or false. Kane had a child called Enoch.
89:16 back. >> Yeah, I believe that's true.
89:24 >> Yes, the answer is true. You can almost guess it with Edson.
89:26 You can almost guess it with Edson. It'll be um if he's asking about it,
89:29 It'll be um if he's asking about it, it's probably true.
89:32 it's probably true. No, it's a good one. It's Yeah, Enoch is
89:34 No, it's a good one. It's Yeah, Enoch is mentioned a couple of times, isn't it?
89:37 mentioned a couple of times, isn't it? Uh in the Bible,
89:41 Uh in the Bible, someone said, "Was it Enosh?" Enosh was
89:43 someone said, "Was it Enosh?" Enosh was someone else who was in the lineage like
89:46 someone else who was in the lineage like before Enoch.
89:49 before Enoch. Yeah. Okay. Uh thanks. Thank you for
89:52 Yeah. Okay. Uh thanks. Thank you for that. And we have one from Harmony who's
89:55 that. And we have one from Harmony who's not here at the moment. She's got a
89:57 not here at the moment. She's got a bonus. Sneak in a bonus question in.
89:59 bonus. Sneak in a bonus question in. Thank you so much, Harmony. As a
90:01 Thank you so much, Harmony. As a something pants for for flowing streams,
90:06 something pants for for flowing streams, so pants my soul for you, oh God. Is it
90:09 so pants my soul for you, oh God. Is it a horse, a deer, an ox, or a goat? Paul,
90:14 a horse, a deer, an ox, or a goat? Paul, I'm gonna give this one to you.
90:17 I'm gonna give this one to you. >> I'm gonna say horse
90:20 >> I'm gonna say horse >> as a horse pants for flowing streams.
90:23 >> as a horse pants for flowing streams. Good try. It's not a horse, but they
90:25 Good try. It's not a horse, but they probably do pant for
90:26 probably do pant for >> um water. Um what do you think, Beck?
90:34 >> That's a deer. >> A deer. Nice work. Good job. A few
90:38 >> A deer. Nice work. Good job. A few people getting in the chat. Hold on you
90:40 people getting in the chat. Hold on you guys. Now the passage where this is from
90:44 guys. Now the passage where this is from is Psalm 42.
90:46 is Psalm 42. Let's bring this up. Psalm 42:1. As a
90:50 Let's bring this up. Psalm 42:1. As a dear pants for flowing streams, so pants
90:52 dear pants for flowing streams, so pants my soul for you, oh God.
90:55 my soul for you, oh God. There you go.
90:57 There you go. Nice work. And Paul, we get the
91:01 Nice work. And Paul, we get the privilege of hearing from you, man, on
91:04 privilege of hearing from you, man, on um you can play a song for us. sing us a
91:07 um you can play a song for us. sing us a song and then we'll get Edson to pray
91:10 song and then we'll get Edson to pray for us. Thank you.
91:13 for us. Thank you. >> Okie dokie.
91:15 >> Okie dokie. All right, here we go. See if you can
91:18 All right, here we go. See if you can guess it before it finishes.
91:20 guess it before it finishes. You may come to me the path of life.
91:26 You may come to me the path of life. In your presence there is fullness of
91:30 In your presence there is fullness of joy at your right hand of pleasures
91:34 joy at your right hand of pleasures forever more.
91:37 forever more. Psalm 16 11. No one guessed it before I
91:41 Psalm 16 11. No one guessed it before I finish.
91:48 >> Heavenly Father, thank you um for giving us another day that we do not deserve.
91:51 us another day that we do not deserve. Um thank you for sustaining the internet
91:53 Um thank you for sustaining the internet today. um we haven't been having
91:56 today. um we haven't been having technical difficulties. Please help us
91:58 technical difficulties. Please help us as we go and share the gospel. Help us
92:01 as we go and share the gospel. Help us to be gentle, kind, and patient, Lord.
92:04 to be gentle, kind, and patient, Lord. And please help us to do everything for
92:06 And please help us to do everything for your glory, Lord. Thank you again for
92:09 your glory, Lord. Thank you again for saving us. It's in Jesus name that we
92:11 saving us. It's in Jesus name that we pray. Amen.
92:21 Amen. Thank you for that there, Edson and Paul. Good singing there, Paul. We
92:23 and Paul. Good singing there, Paul. We miss. Yeah, we we like hearing you sing
92:25 miss. Yeah, we we like hearing you sing for us on stream like that. That's
92:27 for us on stream like that. That's really good.
92:29 really good. Okay,
92:30 Okay, so we get to go share the gospel fair
92:33 so we get to go share the gospel fair and far and wide right now. And um just
92:37 and far and wide right now. And um just before I do that, Pixel says, "Does God
92:38 before I do that, Pixel says, "Does God love all creation, even cancer, death,
92:41 love all creation, even cancer, death, etc." God has purposes in um for those
92:45 etc." God has purposes in um for those things.
92:47 things. He has a purpose in that. And then
92:51 He has a purpose in that. And then just a light fell down over here.
92:55 just a light fell down over here. Uh but yeah, he has a purpose in it. But
92:58 Uh but yeah, he has a purpose in it. But that doesn't mean that it was God's, I
93:00 that doesn't mean that it was God's, I guess, ideal for this universe to have
93:03 guess, ideal for this universe to have those sort of things. And guess what?
93:04 those sort of things. And guess what? There won't be those things in heaven.
93:06 There won't be those things in heaven. But he does love all people. And he
93:09 But he does love all people. And he loves doesn't mean he loves everyone
93:11 loves doesn't mean he loves everyone equally, but he does love all people. He
93:13 equally, but he does love all people. He sends rain on the just and on the
93:16 sends rain on the just and on the unjust. Yeah.
93:18 unjust. Yeah. Here we go. Someone said, "Is that Beck
93:21 Here we go. Someone said, "Is that Beck dancing? Is that why it fell?"
93:24 dancing? Is that why it fell?" So funny.
93:26 So funny. No, it just randomly fell.
93:28 No, it just randomly fell. >> That's so random.
93:29 >> That's so random. >> So weird. Anyway, let's go. And yeah,
93:32 >> So weird. Anyway, let's go. And yeah, those are the result of the fall.
93:33 those are the result of the fall. Exactly.
93:36 Exactly. And someone says, "Sickness is not of
93:37 And someone says, "Sickness is not of God." Well, God permits it at least. And
93:39 God." Well, God permits it at least. And he can he can even cause it. He caused
93:42 he can he can even cause it. He caused Miriam to get Oh, there you go. The
93:44 Miriam to get Oh, there you go. The light's back on.
93:45 light's back on. >> Caused Miriam to get leprosy. That was
93:48 >> Caused Miriam to get leprosy. That was God who caused that to happen. Well,
93:49 God who caused that to happen. Well, lights is off. Life light on, light off.
93:54 lights is off. Life light on, light off. That was so funny. All right, cool.
93:59 That was so funny. All right, cool. It's back on again. Thanks for that, B.
94:01 It's back on again. Thanks for that, B. Let's go share the gospel with some
94:03 Let's go share the gospel with some people now.
94:13 All right, let's open up Monkey. There it is.
94:15 it is. And
94:24 Carol says, "Another day at the disco." That's funny. Hey, we're going to do
94:25 That's funny. Hey, we're going to do viewer chats in a in a bit as well. So,
94:27 viewer chats in a in a bit as well. So, this opportunity to start thinking about
94:29 this opportunity to start thinking about if you want to come up for a viewer
94:30 if you want to come up for a viewer chat, but let's pray. And you guys put
94:33 chat, but let's pray. And you guys put your guesses in the chat of where you
94:34 your guesses in the chat of where you think this next person's going to be
94:35 think this next person's going to be from,
94:37 from, which we'll see you get that right.
94:39 which we'll see you get that right. Lord, please save this next person that
94:40 Lord, please save this next person that I speak to. Give me words to speak. May
94:42 I speak to. Give me words to speak. May they come to know your saving gospel. In
94:45 they come to know your saving gospel. In Jesus name we pray.
94:46 Jesus name we pray. Amen.
94:56 Hey, can I ask you Hey, can I ask you a question?
95:01 Eevee, >> hey, can I ask you a question?
95:04 >> hey, can I ask you a question? >> Hey guys, got a serious question. Do you
95:06 >> Hey guys, got a serious question. Do you guys believe that there is a heaven
95:08 guys believe that there is a heaven after we die?
95:10 after we die? >> Um, yeah.
95:11 >> Um, yeah. >> Yeah, I do as well. And so what do you
95:13 >> Yeah, I do as well. And so what do you think we've got to do to make sure we go
95:15 think we've got to do to make sure we go to heaven?
95:17 to heaven? >> Believe in God probably.
95:18 >> Believe in God probably. >> Yeah, we have to believe in God
95:19 >> Yeah, we have to believe in God >> and live and not be like Hitler
95:21 >> and live and not be like Hitler probably. That would be a good answer.
95:23 probably. That would be a good answer. >> True. Yeah, that would be good. So in
95:25 >> True. Yeah, that would be good. So in your life though, like have you guys
95:26 your life though, like have you guys ever told a lie before?
95:28 ever told a lie before? >> I can't tell you that. That's
95:32 >> I can't tell you that. That's >> like secret.
95:33 >> like secret. >> Secret.
95:34 >> Secret. >> I'm not going to say this. I'm just
95:36 >> I'm not going to say this. I'm just going to shake my head and we're going
95:38 going to shake my head and we're going to move past the question.
95:40 to move past the question. >> Okay. Because like the Bible says all
95:42 >> Okay. Because like the Bible says all have sinned and fallen short of the
95:43 have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Would you agree with that?
95:50 >> Repeat that. >> All have sinned.
95:51 >> All have sinned. >> Would you agree with that?
95:53 >> Would you agree with that? >> Like probably.
95:55 >> Like probably. >> Probably. Yeah, I know. I have. I'd be
95:57 >> Probably. Yeah, I know. I have. I'd be happy to tell you guys. I've definitely
95:59 happy to tell you guys. I've definitely told a lie in my life. Um more even more
96:01 told a lie in my life. Um more even more than one. Even God says we can't use bad
96:04 than one. Even God says we can't use bad language. Have you ever used a bad word
96:06 language. Have you ever used a bad word before?
96:11 sometimes. Yeah. >> No, I don't say bad words. I'm a
96:13 >> No, I don't say bad words. I'm a pilgrim.
96:14 pilgrim. >> A pilgrim. Okay. Never even once said
96:17 >> A pilgrim. Okay. Never even once said something you know you shouldn't have
96:18 something you know you shouldn't have said.
96:19 said. >> Nope. Yes, you have. Nope. You said that
96:22 >> Nope. Yes, you have. Nope. You said that >> because it would be a lie otherwise,
96:23 >> because it would be a lie otherwise, right?
96:25 right? >> Um and and even this like God says we
96:27 >> Um and and even this like God says we shouldn't get angry or be rude to
96:28 shouldn't get angry or be rude to people, but I think if we're honest,
96:30 people, but I think if we're honest, we'd probably agree that we've done
96:31 we'd probably agree that we've done those things as well.
96:35 those things as well. >> Sorry, what were you saying? I missed
96:36 >> Sorry, what were you saying? I missed what you said.
96:37 what you said. Oh, they ran away.
96:40 Oh, they ran away. Hey, can I ask you a question?
96:44 Hey, can I ask you a question? Hey, bro. Can I ask you a question, man?
96:53 Hey, can I ask you a question? >> Thanks, man. My question is, do you
96:55 >> Thanks, man. My question is, do you believe that there is a heaven after we
96:57 believe that there is a heaven after we die?
97:00 die? >> No. Okay.
97:01 >> No. Okay. >> You Why is that? Is that just how you're
97:03 >> You Why is that? Is that just how you're raised or is there a reason why you
97:04 raised or is there a reason why you don't?
97:07 don't? >> Oh, I'm agnostic, so I don't necessarily
97:10 >> Oh, I'm agnostic, so I don't necessarily not believe in a higher power. I just
97:12 not believe in a higher power. I just couldn't tell you what the higher power
97:13 couldn't tell you what the higher power is. I don't believe in religion, you
97:15 is. I don't believe in religion, you know, like with all the reading and
97:16 know, like with all the reading and research I've ever done, it doesn't make
97:18 research I've ever done, it doesn't make any sense to me. Uh,
97:20 any sense to me. Uh, >> yeah,
97:20 >> yeah, >> that's basically where I stand.
97:22 >> that's basically where I stand. >> Okay. Um, so would you you'd agree that
97:24 >> Okay. Um, so would you you'd agree that there's some sort of creator though that
97:26 there's some sort of creator though that made the universe, right?
97:33 something bigger than this. There's got to be something. I
97:34 There's got to be something. I just got
97:36 just got >> Appreciate that. Try not to sway if you
97:37 >> Appreciate that. Try not to sway if you can. Um, but yeah, I agree. There's a
97:39 can. Um, but yeah, I agree. There's a creator, too. Now, would you agree that
97:41 creator, too. Now, would you agree that he gets to then set the rules for how we
97:42 he gets to then set the rules for how we should live in his universe?
97:50 >> No, we all got our own free will. >> Okay. Now, we do have decision- making
97:53 >> Okay. Now, we do have decision- making ability and we can choose to do all
97:54 ability and we can choose to do all kinds of different things, but if ran
97:58 kinds of different things, but if ran away
98:01 away >> question
98:08 a question. >> Yo, what's up?
98:10 >> Yo, what's up? >> Hey, man. My question is, hey guys, do
98:13 >> Hey, man. My question is, hey guys, do you guys believe that there is a heaven
98:15 you guys believe that there is a heaven after we die?
98:17 after we die? >> Uh, yes, we believe in Allah. We're
98:19 >> Uh, yes, we believe in Allah. We're Muslims. We're Muslims. Oh okay. So now
98:21 Muslims. We're Muslims. Oh okay. So now do you believe that there um what do you
98:24 do you believe that there um what do you have what do you have to do to get to
98:25 have what do you have to do to get to heaven?
98:27 heaven? >> Uh you got to believe that there is only
98:30 >> Uh you got to believe that there is only one God Allah and uh you got to do good
98:32 one God Allah and uh you got to do good things in life and pray too.
98:34 things in life and pray too. >> And pray. All right. So would you say
98:36 >> And pray. All right. So would you say that you guys have been good people?
98:39 that you guys have been good people? >> Yeah. So far yes.
98:41 >> Yeah. So far yes. >> Okay. So like in your life have you ever
98:43 >> Okay. So like in your life have you ever told a lie before?
98:46 told a lie before? >> Yes.
98:47 >> Yes. >> Yeah. I've done the same. Or have you
98:48 >> Yeah. I've done the same. Or have you ever used bad language?
98:53 Unfortunately, yes. >> Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate your honesty. Or
98:55 >> Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate your honesty. Or even this one. Have you been angry or
98:56 even this one. Have you been angry or rude to someone?
99:02 >> We've done We've done that, right? >> Yes.
99:02 >> Yes. >> Yeah. So, if God was to judge us based
99:04 >> Yeah. So, if God was to judge us based on these things, do you think that you'd
99:06 on these things, do you think that you'd be innocent or guilty?
99:12 >> Guilty as charged. >> Yeah. So, if we're guilty as charged, do
99:13 >> Yeah. So, if we're guilty as charged, do we deserve a reward or a punishment?
99:20 Uh, it depends. >> Okay. What do you think it depends on?
99:24 >> Okay. What do you think it depends on? >> Uh, if you did really bad things, then
99:27 >> Uh, if you did really bad things, then you should be punished. If not,
99:29 you should be punished. If not, >> yeah. Well, we have done that. We've
99:30 >> yeah. Well, we have done that. We've already done bad things. And if a guilty
99:32 already done bad things. And if a guilty is charged, we don't get a prize for
99:34 is charged, we don't get a prize for doing bad. Wouldn't it make sense we get
99:36 doing bad. Wouldn't it make sense we get a punishment?
99:40 >> Yes. >> Yeah. And so then does the punishment
99:43 >> Yeah. And so then does the punishment sound like heaven or hell?
99:46 sound like heaven or hell? >> Hell. Yeah. And we don't want to go
99:47 >> Hell. Yeah. And we don't want to go there because we know it's like a lake
99:49 there because we know it's like a lake of fire and it goes on forever. So what
99:51 of fire and it goes on forever. So what do you think you could do at this point
99:53 do you think you could do at this point so that you don't have to go to hell?
99:56 so that you don't have to go to hell? >> Stop doing bad things.
99:58 >> Stop doing bad things. >> Okay, that's a good idea. So let's say
99:59 >> Okay, that's a good idea. So let's say you did no more bad things at this point
100:01 you did no more bad things at this point on. Would that get rid of all the bad
100:03 on. Would that get rid of all the bad things that you've already done?
100:09 >> No. >> No, it wouldn't get rid of it, would it?
100:11 >> No, it wouldn't get rid of it, would it? So what we would need instead is we
100:14 So what we would need instead is we would need somebody else who could
100:16 would need somebody else who could actually take our punishment on our
100:18 actually take our punishment on our behalf. Cuz if someone took 100% of your
100:22 behalf. Cuz if someone took 100% of your punishment, how much punishment would be
100:24 punishment, how much punishment would be left for you to still get?
100:27 left for you to still get? >> Zero.
100:28 >> Zero. >> Right? So with zero punishment left,
100:29 >> Right? So with zero punishment left, then where would you get to go when you
100:31 then where would you get to go when you die?
100:32 die? >> In heaven,
100:33 >> In heaven, >> right? So based on this logic, why would
100:35 >> right? So based on this logic, why would you get to go to heaven?
100:39 you get to go to heaven? because somebody else took my
100:40 because somebody else took my punishment.
100:41 punishment. >> Yeah. Do you see how that makes sense?
100:42 >> Yeah. Do you see how that makes sense? It makes sense because then God gets to
100:45 It makes sense because then God gets to show us mercy because at least our fines
100:47 show us mercy because at least our fines paid for and and yet God's still shown
100:51 paid for and and yet God's still shown to be just at the same time. Do you see
100:54 to be just at the same time. Do you see that?
100:55 that? >> Yeah. And so we just need to accept this
100:57 >> Yeah. And so we just need to accept this man as a free gift that our punishment's
101:00 man as a free gift that our punishment's already been taken by God. God took our
101:02 already been taken by God. God took our punishment and so as a result we go to
101:04 punishment and so as a result we go to heaven if we trust in him. Now, what if
101:08 heaven if we trust in him. Now, what if you trust that God took your punishment
101:09 you trust that God took your punishment for you, but then you do five more sins
101:12 for you, but then you do five more sins again tomorrow? Do you think that you go
101:14 again tomorrow? Do you think that you go to heaven or hell?
101:17 to heaven or hell? >> Uh, hell.
101:19 >> Uh, hell. >> Okay. But with with God, do you think he
101:21 >> Okay. But with with God, do you think he only took the punishment for your past
101:23 only took the punishment for your past sins or also your future sins, too?
101:26 sins or also your future sins, too? >> No, past sins only.
101:28 >> No, past sins only. >> If it was only the past, but like
101:30 >> If it was only the past, but like couldn't he couldn't he take the
101:32 couldn't he couldn't he take the punishment for all of your sins? Every
101:33 punishment for all of your sins? Every every one of them?
101:36 every one of them? Yeah, he could.
101:37 Yeah, he could. >> And so therefore, I think if he takes
101:39 >> And so therefore, I think if he takes the punishment for 100% of our sins,
101:41 the punishment for 100% of our sins, then therefore that means even the ones
101:42 then therefore that means even the ones that we do tomorrow.
101:44 that we do tomorrow. >> So doesn't mean you should do sins. Sins
101:46 >> So doesn't mean you should do sins. Sins are still bad. But even if you did five
101:49 are still bad. But even if you did five more sin tomorrow, wouldn't you still
101:51 more sin tomorrow, wouldn't you still then go to heaven if you're trusting
101:52 then go to heaven if you're trusting what God did for you?
101:56 what God did for you? >> Yes, you you go to heaven.
101:58 >> Yes, you you go to heaven. >> Yeah. Exactly. Okay, that's good. All
102:00 >> Yeah. Exactly. Okay, that's good. All right. So then um what if you don't
102:03 right. So then um what if you don't trust that God took your punishment for
102:06 trust that God took your punishment for you? Then where would you end up?
102:09 you? Then where would you end up? >> Hell.
102:09 >> Hell. >> And so since you don't want to be sent
102:11 >> And so since you don't want to be sent to hell, when should you start trusting
102:14 to hell, when should you start trusting that God took your punishment for you?
102:17 that God took your punishment for you? >> Yes.
102:18 >> Yes. >> So would you say from today are you
102:20 >> So would you say from today are you going to trust that?
102:22 going to trust that? >> Yeah.
102:23 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense to you
102:24 >> Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense to you because what you were trusting in to get
102:26 because what you were trusting in to get you to heaven before was the fact that
102:27 you to heaven before was the fact that you tried to do good and you know your
102:30 you tried to do good and you know your actions. Basically, you're trusting in
102:31 actions. Basically, you're trusting in yourself to get you to heaven rather
102:32 yourself to get you to heaven rather than trusting in what God did to save
102:34 than trusting in what God did to save you. You see the difference?
102:36 you. You see the difference? >> Mhm.
102:37 >> Mhm. >> Yeah.
102:38 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. It's a big difference. And so then
102:40 >> Yeah. It's a big difference. And so then if God if you stood before God today and
102:43 if God if you stood before God today and he asked you, "Why should I let you into
102:45 he asked you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" What do you think you'd say to
102:47 heaven?" What do you think you'd say to him?
102:52 >> Thank you. >> Yeah. Thank you. Okay, that's true.
102:54 >> Yeah. Thank you. Okay, that's true. That's true. And thank you for what?
102:58 That's true. And thank you for what? >> For
102:59 >> For uh I don't know.
103:00 uh I don't know. >> Well, thank you, I guess.
103:02 >> Well, thank you, I guess. >> Removing my sins.
103:03 >> Removing my sins. >> Yeah, removing my sins. That's Yeah,
103:04 >> Yeah, removing my sins. That's Yeah, that's a good thing. You can say you can
103:05 that's a good thing. You can say you can let me to heaven because you, God, took
103:08 let me to heaven because you, God, took the punishment for my sins on my behalf.
103:11 the punishment for my sins on my behalf. And so, thank you. That's why I get to
103:13 And so, thank you. That's why I get to go to heaven. Yeah, that's a decent
103:14 go to heaven. Yeah, that's a decent answer. Um, and so then I guess the
103:17 answer. Um, and so then I guess the question we need to ask then is how did
103:19 question we need to ask then is how did God take our punishment for us? Do you
103:21 God take our punishment for us? Do you think
103:22 think um do you know how he took it for us?
103:26 um do you know how he took it for us? >> No.
103:27 >> No. >> No. Well, basically because we're
103:29 >> No. Well, basically because we're humans, in order for God to take human
103:32 humans, in order for God to take human sins or human punishment, he chose to
103:35 sins or human punishment, he chose to even take on a human form. And he
103:38 even take on a human form. And he actually did that 2,000 years ago in the
103:39 actually did that 2,000 years ago in the person of Jesus. And he died. Wow. Ran
103:44 person of Jesus. And he died. Wow. Ran away at that point. Soon as I mentioned
103:47 away at that point. Soon as I mentioned the Jbomb, what happens? They got to
103:50 the Jbomb, what happens? They got to scoot out of there as quick as they can
103:54 scoot out of there as quick as they can because Muslims hate Jesus Christ. They
103:56 because Muslims hate Jesus Christ. They say that they love him. In reality, they
103:58 say that they love him. In reality, they don't love him at all.
104:06 Notice my strategy there. If I mentioned Jesus any sooner in that conversation,
104:10 Jesus any sooner in that conversation, they would have skipped. And so my
104:12 they would have skipped. And so my purpose as soon as they mention they're
104:14 purpose as soon as they mention they're Muslims, I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to
104:15 Muslims, I'm like, "Okay, I'm going to hold off the Jbomb mentioning the name
104:17 hold off the Jbomb mentioning the name of Jesus
104:19 of Jesus until
104:21 until I they actually understand the concept
104:22 I they actually understand the concept of the gospel." And so that's why I
104:24 of the gospel." And so that's why I mentioned God instead of Jesus and got
104:27 mentioned God instead of Jesus and got them to understand it and they they seem
104:29 them to understand it and they they seem to understand the message.
104:32 to understand the message. So then uh yeah, hopefully now they'll
104:35 So then uh yeah, hopefully now they'll think about it.
104:37 think about it. I'll pray for them. Uh heavenly father,
104:40 I'll pray for them. Uh heavenly father, we do want to pray for uh those two
104:44 we do want to pray for uh those two Muslim gentlemen from Cyprus,
104:47 Muslim gentlemen from Cyprus, the island that Paul visited. Lord, I do
104:50 the island that Paul visited. Lord, I do pray that you would be bringing them out
104:52 pray that you would be bringing them out of the deception of Islam to embrace the
104:54 of the deception of Islam to embrace the good news of Jesus. Have this complete
104:56 good news of Jesus. Have this complete forgiveness of sins if they put their
104:59 forgiveness of sins if they put their trust in Christ, what Christ has done.
105:01 trust in Christ, what Christ has done. In Jesus name we pray.
105:03 In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
105:12 Uh let's see. Um Zepha says, "Do you think it would be good to ask them
105:13 think it would be good to ask them before mentioning it was Jesus who did
105:16 before mentioning it was Jesus who did that? That it is that it this is what
105:20 that? That it is that it this is what Jesus taught?"
105:21 Jesus taught?" >> That this is
105:22 >> That this is >> Oh, that this is what Jesus taught.
105:25 >> Oh, that this is what Jesus taught. Yeah. I asked them, "Who do you think?
105:27 Yeah. I asked them, "Who do you think? How do you think God did this?" And they
105:29 How do you think God did this?" And they just had no idea.
105:32 just had no idea. But I think if I mentioned though, did
105:33 But I think if I mentioned though, did you know this is what Jesus taught?
105:35 you know this is what Jesus taught? They'd probably still get out of there
105:36 They'd probably still get out of there though. As soon as you mention anything
105:39 though. As soon as you mention anything about Jesus, they get out of there. So,
105:42 about Jesus, they get out of there. So, at least they understood the concept
105:45 at least they understood the concept of the gospel and now they see it's
105:48 of the gospel and now they see it's Jesus. Hopefully, they'll think through,
105:50 Jesus. Hopefully, they'll think through, wow, that's actually that message is
105:52 wow, that's actually that message is attractive. It's really, really
105:54 attractive. It's really, really attractive. I would love if someone
105:55 attractive. I would love if someone could take my punishment. And you don't
105:56 could take my punishment. And you don't have that in Islam. You do got you've
105:59 have that in Islam. You do got you've got that in Christianity.
106:04 Yeah. So, have a look. Did anyone guess Cypress in the chat?
106:11 >> I doubt it. I doubt someone guessed this country. We rarely speak to someone in
106:12 country. We rarely speak to someone in Cyprus. This is where Paul first went on
106:15 Cyprus. This is where Paul first went on his missionary journey with Barnabas and
106:17 his missionary journey with Barnabas and John Mark. You can read about this in
106:19 John Mark. You can read about this in Acts chapter 13. So Paul left from
106:23 Acts chapter 13. So Paul left from Antioch, which is somewhere around this
106:26 Antioch, which is somewhere around this region here,
106:28 region here, around here, somewhere there. And then
106:31 around here, somewhere there. And then they caught a boat over to Cyprus. They
106:33 they caught a boat over to Cyprus. They preached here. This is where they also
106:36 preached here. This is where they also met the proconsel Sergius Paulus I
106:38 met the proconsel Sergius Paulus I believe his name was. And then you have
106:40 believe his name was. And then you have the guy who was opposing
106:43 the guy who was opposing um Paul's preaching. And then Paul made
106:44 um Paul's preaching. And then Paul made him blind as a result of that. You enemy
106:47 him blind as a result of that. You enemy of all righteousness. He says he makes
106:49 of all righteousness. He says he makes him blind for a time and then after
106:51 him blind for a time and then after going from Cyprus that's when they
106:53 going from Cyprus that's when they landed up here around here somewhere.
107:01 And it doesn't have doesn't have the labels there but yeah. So this is a
107:04 labels there but yeah. So this is a island that is mentioned in the Bible,
107:07 island that is mentioned in the Bible, Cyprus. Very cool, isn't it?
107:11 Cyprus. Very cool, isn't it? Very very cool. Yeah. Was that bar Jesus
107:14 Very very cool. Yeah. Was that bar Jesus the guy? Yeah. He was trying to oppose
107:15 the guy? Yeah. He was trying to oppose what Paul's saying.
107:18 what Paul's saying. Okay.
107:24 Sark mentioned only five minutes for a Muslim chat is fast. That's true. And we
107:26 Muslim chat is fast. That's true. And we got through like the gospel with them,
107:28 got through like the gospel with them, which is pretty amazing.
107:31 which is pretty amazing. All right. Now, we're going to have
107:32 All right. Now, we're going to have round two. So, no one got round one,
107:35 round two. So, no one got round one, which means round two counts even more.
107:39 which means round two counts even more. So, therefore, put your guesses in for
107:41 So, therefore, put your guesses in for which country this next person is going
107:43 which country this next person is going to be. Cuz it could be anywhere in the
107:44 to be. Cuz it could be anywhere in the world. It could be Cyprus, could be
107:47 world. It could be Cyprus, could be anywhere else in the in the world, even
107:50 anywhere else in the in the world, even places the Bible mentions.
107:56 Lord, please uh connect me right now with someone that you you want me to
107:57 with someone that you you want me to speak to. In Jesus name we pray. Amen.
108:01 speak to. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. Quickly just Chase says, "Can I pray for
108:03 Quickly just Chase says, "Can I pray for an unbeliever that is deceased to go to
108:05 an unbeliever that is deceased to go to heaven?" It wouldn't do anything. You
108:08 heaven?" It wouldn't do anything. You cannot change where somebody ends up
108:11 cannot change where somebody ends up once they're dead. If they're already
108:14 once they're dead. If they're already dead, they're into eternity. And so
108:16 dead, they're into eternity. And so therefore, they're already in heaven or
108:18 therefore, they're already in heaven or hell depending on if they're a believer
108:19 hell depending on if they're a believer or not. So there's no no real reason to
108:23 or not. So there's no no real reason to pray for someone who's gone. Like
108:26 pray for someone who's gone. Like if you're in heaven, are you going to
108:28 if you're in heaven, are you going to pray for the unbelievers to get them out
108:29 pray for the unbelievers to get them out of out of hell?
108:32 of out of hell? No. Because God's already said they're
108:33 No. Because God's already said they're going to be there forever. So there'd be
108:35 going to be there forever. So there'd be no point praying for something which God
108:37 no point praying for something which God says is not going to happen.
108:44 Okay, here we go. Let's do it. Uh next chat. So I'll put that in as during
108:47 chat. So I'll put that in as during check-in questions. Two guys who were
108:50 check-in questions. Two guys who were Muslims. Glad to hear
108:54 Muslims. Glad to hear the gospel.
109:07 Yo, can I ask you a question? >> Yeah, bro.
109:08 >> Yeah, bro. >> Hey, thanks Garrett. Hey, my question
109:10 >> Hey, thanks Garrett. Hey, my question is, do you believe that there is a
109:12 is, do you believe that there is a heaven after we die?
109:23 I don't I don't know how to explain it, bro.
109:25 I don't know how to explain it, bro. It's it's it's kind of a weird like
109:28 It's it's it's kind of a weird like concept to wrap your head around
109:31 concept to wrap your head around >> in the same sense of
109:32 >> in the same sense of >> how you ask me that. It's
109:35 >> how you ask me that. It's >> okay. Yeah. I I personally would say in
109:37 >> okay. Yeah. I I personally would say in a hell
109:38 a hell >> but
109:40 >> but >> but
109:42 >> but I feel like it's the subconscious mind
109:45 I feel like it's the subconscious mind like
109:50 I don't like I said I don't know how to explain it bro it's like there but it's
109:52 explain it bro it's like there but it's like
109:53 like >> sure do you agree that there is a god
110:00 >> yeah I do as well and so because there's a god um would you agree that he can set
110:03 a god um would you agree that he can set the rules for how we should live in his
110:04 the rules for how we should live in his universe
110:10 Yeah. >> Yeah. And because we he can set the
110:12 >> Yeah. And because we he can set the rules, then that means after we die, he
110:15 rules, then that means after we die, he could judge us, right? Send us either to
110:17 could judge us, right? Send us either to a good place or a bad place, a place of
110:19 a good place or a bad place, a place of punishment. So, would you say you've
110:21 punishment. So, would you say you've been a good person?
110:24 been a good person? >> Huh? Have I been a good person?
110:26 >> Huh? Have I been a good person? >> Yeah.
110:29 >> Yeah. >> No, me neither. I've sinned as well. So,
110:32 >> No, me neither. I've sinned as well. So, in your life, for example, have you ever
110:34 in your life, for example, have you ever told a lie before?
110:40 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Same. Have you ever been angry?
110:43 >> Yeah. Same. Have you ever been angry? Rude to somebody.
110:45 Rude to somebody. >> No. I'm always kind to people, bro. Cuz
110:47 >> No. I'm always kind to people, bro. Cuz I don't like, you feel me? I don't know.
110:50 I don't like, you feel me? I don't know. >> Okay.
110:50 >> Okay. >> Where you come from or how you are as a
110:52 >> Where you come from or how you are as a person.
110:53 person. >> Yeah. I guess sometimes even when we
110:54 >> Yeah. I guess sometimes even when we tell lies to people, if we ever do that,
110:56 tell lies to people, if we ever do that, we're actually being rude or
110:58 we're actually being rude or disrespectful to them by not telling
110:59 disrespectful to them by not telling them the truth. You see that? Right?
111:02 them the truth. You see that? Right? Even God says we shouldn't even look at
111:03 Even God says we shouldn't even look at a woman to lust after her because that's
111:05 a woman to lust after her because that's like committing adultery with her in our
111:07 like committing adultery with her in our heart.
111:08 heart. >> So if God's going to judge you on all
111:10 >> So if God's going to judge you on all those things, would you be innocent or
111:12 those things, would you be innocent or guilty?
111:17 >> I'd be guilty. >> Yeah, me too.
111:18 >> Yeah, me too. >> The sins I've committed, you know.
111:20 >> The sins I've committed, you know. >> Yeah. So, because we're guilty, should
111:21 >> Yeah. So, because we're guilty, should we then get a re a reward or a
111:23 we then get a re a reward or a punishment?
111:30 >> I feel like it's forgiving, bro. I feel like you should repent.
111:32 like you should repent. >> We Yeah, we want forgiveness 100%. And
111:34 >> We Yeah, we want forgiveness 100%. And there is definitely a way to get
111:35 there is definitely a way to get forgiveness. But in just in terms of
111:37 forgiveness. But in just in terms of what we deserve, what would it be
111:39 what we deserve, what would it be though?
111:46 >> It's like a criminal who murders somebody. Wow. Now, that's a classic
111:49 somebody. Wow. Now, that's a classic Felix moment. Classic Felix moment
111:52 Felix moment. Classic Felix moment there. Unwilling to admit that he
111:55 there. Unwilling to admit that he deserves hell. I gotta get out of here.
111:57 deserves hell. I gotta get out of here. Now, what's a Felix moment for those who
111:58 Now, what's a Felix moment for those who are new to our channel? If you remember
112:01 are new to our channel? If you remember in the book of Acts, Paul dealt with the
112:05 in the book of Acts, Paul dealt with the governor Felix
112:08 governor Felix around about chapters 24 or so, I think
112:10 around about chapters 24 or so, I think 24 might be the chapter, Acts 24. And
112:13 24 might be the chapter, Acts 24. And Paul was sharing the gospel with him,
112:16 Paul was sharing the gospel with him, reasoning about righteousness,
112:18 reasoning about righteousness, self-control, and the judgment.
112:20 self-control, and the judgment. And then it says, "Felix was alarmed and
112:23 And then it says, "Felix was alarmed and said, "Go away for the moment. And when
112:25 said, "Go away for the moment. And when I want you back, I'll call you back."
112:28 I want you back, I'll call you back." That's a Felix moment where someone gets
112:31 That's a Felix moment where someone gets so gets really convicted about the
112:33 so gets really convicted about the message you're sharing and they go away.
112:35 message you're sharing and they go away. They run away. Don't want to hear it
112:37 They run away. Don't want to hear it anymore. That's what happened with that
112:39 anymore. That's what happened with that gentleman right there. So pray for him.
112:41 gentleman right there. So pray for him. Pray that God offens God softens his
112:44 Pray that God offens God softens his heart. Lord, may you bring that
112:46 heart. Lord, may you bring that gentleman in. May he come to realize
112:47 gentleman in. May he come to realize that he does not deserve forgiveness
112:50 that he does not deserve forgiveness whatsoever. None of us do. May he come
112:52 whatsoever. None of us do. May he come to realize he deserves your wrath. But
112:54 to realize he deserves your wrath. But then may he see that you offer
112:55 then may he see that you offer forgiveness through faith in Christ and
112:59 forgiveness through faith in Christ and what Christ has done. And may he come to
113:00 what Christ has done. And may he come to embrace Jesus for himself. In Jesus name
113:03 embrace Jesus for himself. In Jesus name we pray.
113:05 we pray. Amen.
113:12 Yes. Lord please save that person. Amen. And okay did anyone guess USA? Yes, we
113:14 And okay did anyone guess USA? Yes, we have few people guessing USA. Nice work
113:17 have few people guessing USA. Nice work all these guys in the chat. Look at you
113:19 all these guys in the chat. Look at you all getting USA.
113:22 all getting USA. Well done. Now we're going to have a
113:23 Well done. Now we're going to have a round three. So, we got a 10 winners or
113:27 round three. So, we got a 10 winners or so of round two. Round three of guess
113:30 so of round two. Round three of guess the country. Where's this next person
113:32 the country. Where's this next person going to be from? The conversation needs
113:33 going to be from? The conversation needs to last last at least two minutes for
113:36 to last last at least two minutes for you for it to count. Are you ready? Look
113:39 you for it to count. Are you ready? Look what Isaac said. I said wherever the
113:41 what Isaac said. I said wherever the Lord wills. That's Harmony's answer
113:43 Lord wills. That's Harmony's answer usually, isn't it? But I can't give you
113:46 usually, isn't it? But I can't give you any points for that, Isaac. Because yes,
113:48 any points for that, Isaac. Because yes, it was the Lord's will for it to be USA.
113:50 it was the Lord's will for it to be USA. But that would you just say that every
113:52 But that would you just say that every time and then you'd always win then.
113:55 time and then you'd always win then. >> All right, here we go. Lord, please
113:57 >> All right, here we go. Lord, please connect me with the next person you want
113:58 connect me with the next person you want me to speak with and may they stick
113:59 me to speak with and may they stick around and hear the good news.
114:06 >> Hey, can I >> Hey, bro. Sure. I got a serious
114:08 >> Hey, bro. Sure. I got a serious question. Do you do you believe that
114:09 question. Do you do you believe that there is a heaven after we die?
114:11 there is a heaven after we die? Um, yeah.
114:12 Um, yeah. >> Yeah. Great. Me, too. And so, what do
114:14 >> Yeah. Great. Me, too. And so, what do you think we've got to do to make sure
114:16 you think we've got to do to make sure we go to heaven?
114:19 we go to heaven? >> Um,
114:22 >> Um, I think behave well.
114:24 I think behave well. >> Yeah. Okay. So, be a good person.
114:25 >> Yeah. Okay. So, be a good person. >> Uh, follow God's rules.
114:27 >> Uh, follow God's rules. >> Okay. And have you done that pretty well
114:28 >> Okay. And have you done that pretty well yourself?
114:30 yourself? >> Not really.
114:31 >> Not really. >> Not really. And when you say God's
114:33 >> Not really. And when you say God's rules, is that like you're talking about
114:34 rules, is that like you're talking about in the Torah? Is that referring to
114:37 in the Torah? Is that referring to >> No, I'm I'm Christian.
114:38 >> No, I'm I'm Christian. >> Christian? Hey, awesome. I'm a Christian
114:40 >> Christian? Hey, awesome. I'm a Christian as well. And so that would just be
114:42 as well. And so that would just be whatever the Bible says, right?
114:45 whatever the Bible says, right? >> Yeah.
114:45 >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
114:46 >> Yeah. >> Now I want to ask you then um in your
114:48 >> Now I want to ask you then um in your life, have you ever told a lie before?
114:52 life, have you ever told a lie before? >> I lied. I Yeah. I I did a lot of
114:56 >> I lied. I Yeah. I I did a lot of >> things that that I shouldn't do.
114:58 >> things that that I shouldn't do. >> Yeah. Me too. I've done I appreciate
114:59 >> Yeah. Me too. I've done I appreciate your honesty. You know, God says if we
115:01 your honesty. You know, God says if we look at a woman to lust after her, we
115:03 look at a woman to lust after her, we commit adultery with her in our heart.
115:05 commit adultery with her in our heart. Did you know that?
115:06 Did you know that? >> Yeah, I know. Yeah.
115:07 >> Yeah, I know. Yeah. >> Yeah. Even like hating hating someone is
115:09 >> Yeah. Even like hating hating someone is like murdering them in our heart. So if
115:12 like murdering them in our heart. So if God's going to judge you on all these
115:13 God's going to judge you on all these things, would you be innocent or guilty?
115:18 things, would you be innocent or guilty? >> Wait, ask ask that again, please.
115:20 >> Wait, ask ask that again, please. >> So yeah, if God was to judge you on
115:22 >> So yeah, if God was to judge you on these things, would you be innocent or
115:25 these things, would you be innocent or guilty?
115:27 guilty? >> I'd be guilty.
115:28 >> I'd be guilty. >> Yeah. So being guilty, should you get a
115:30 >> Yeah. So being guilty, should you get a reward or a punishment?
115:33 reward or a punishment? >> A punishment.
115:34 >> A punishment. >> And does that sound like heaven or hell?
115:37 >> And does that sound like heaven or hell? hell.
115:38 hell. >> Yeah. And we don't want to end up there
115:39 >> Yeah. And we don't want to end up there because a lake of fire. So, what do you
115:42 because a lake of fire. So, what do you think you could do at this point so that
115:43 think you could do at this point so that you don't have to go to hell?
115:46 you don't have to go to hell? >> Follow God. God's rules.
115:48 >> Follow God. God's rules. >> Let's say you follow the rules really
115:50 >> Let's say you follow the rules really well from now on.
115:51 well from now on. >> Does that fix the past bad things that
115:53 >> Does that fix the past bad things that you've already committed?
115:56 you've already committed? >> Um, it doesn't fix, but uh God uh God
115:59 >> Um, it doesn't fix, but uh God uh God forgives. So, he can forgive you but
116:01 forgives. So, he can forgive you but what for what you've done before. And
116:04 what for what you've done before. And >> and there is definitely a way to get
116:05 >> and there is definitely a way to get forgiveness. Yeah, but it's like this.
116:07 forgiveness. Yeah, but it's like this. If a criminal did, let's say he murdered
116:09 If a criminal did, let's say he murdered a person, he stood before a judge in a
116:11 a person, he stood before a judge in a court of law and said, "Judge, I'm so
116:13 court of law and said, "Judge, I'm so sorry. I won't murder anyone else from
116:14 sorry. I won't murder anyone else from now on."
116:15 now on." >> Would the judge let him go free?
116:18 >> Would the judge let him go free? >> Um, no. No.
116:20 >> Um, no. No. >> So, here listen,
116:21 >> So, here listen, >> there is
116:23 >> there is uh God is good. So, he he forgives. He
116:27 uh God is good. So, he he forgives. He knows the the person inside uh of what
116:30 knows the the person inside uh of what he really is. If he really knows what he
116:33 he really is. If he really knows what he really have done intentions
116:37 really have done intentions >> I don't think we had pure intentions
116:38 >> I don't think we had pure intentions though when we did those sins though we
116:40 though when we did those sins though we had selfish or sinful intentions right
116:44 had selfish or sinful intentions right >> you well if you have if you're doing
116:47 >> you well if you have if you're doing something then you you have intention to
116:50 something then you you have intention to you had intention to do it
116:52 you had intention to do it >> like in this verse here this is Romans
116:54 >> like in this verse here this is Romans 3:10 it says as it is written none is
116:56 3:10 it says as it is written none is righteous know not one so that's the
116:59 righteous know not one so that's the issue if God looks inside our heart he's
117:00 issue if God looks inside our heart he's going to that we're not righteous at
117:02 going to that we're not righteous at all. We actually sinners. And so that's
117:04 all. We actually sinners. And so that's why there is a way of forgiveness, but
117:06 why there is a way of forgiveness, but he doesn't base our forgiveness on us
117:09 he doesn't base our forgiveness on us being better, following the rules.
117:12 being better, following the rules. Otherwise,
117:13 Otherwise, we're relying on oursel to get to heaven
117:15 we're relying on oursel to get to heaven and not what God's done. Does that make
117:18 and not what God's done. Does that make sense?
117:18 sense? >> Uh that's that's that's true. I mean,
117:22 >> Uh that's that's that's true. I mean, we're relying on on ourselves to being
117:24 we're relying on on ourselves to being better uh for our for God to um judge
117:28 better uh for our for God to um judge us.
117:28 us. >> Yeah. Yeah. And do you see that's that's
117:29 >> Yeah. Yeah. And do you see that's that's not what we should do. We shouldn't rely
117:31 not what we should do. We shouldn't rely on ourselves because if none is
117:33 on ourselves because if none is righteous, know not one. And God's
117:35 righteous, know not one. And God's standard is not just be try be better.
117:38 standard is not just be try be better. This is his standard. This is Matthew
117:40 This is his standard. This is Matthew 5:48. You therefore must be perfect as
117:43 5:48. You therefore must be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect. That's
117:45 your heavenly father is perfect. That's God's standard.
117:47 God's standard. >> Yeah, I know. But that's um you you
117:51 >> Yeah, I know. But that's um you you therefore must be perfect as your
117:53 therefore must be perfect as your heaven. Yeah, but like that's what God
117:56 heaven. Yeah, but like that's what God is asking you,
117:58 is asking you, >> commanding you.
118:00 >> commanding you. >> No, no, nobody nobody is is perfect as
118:03 >> No, no, nobody nobody is is perfect as God is.
118:04 God is. >> Yes, I agree.
118:05 >> Yes, I agree. >> He's asking us to do he asking us to be
118:09 >> He's asking us to do he asking us to be to his standards. But if we if we
118:10 to his standards. But if we if we cannot, he can um forgive us as as I
118:14 cannot, he can um forgive us as as I said before
118:16 said before >> cuz in the Bible it actually says that
118:18 >> cuz in the Bible it actually says that God will by no means clear the guilty.
118:21 God will by no means clear the guilty. So trying your best from now on isn't
118:23 So trying your best from now on isn't going to fix it because in the future
118:25 going to fix it because in the future we're still going to sin again, aren't
118:26 we're still going to sin again, aren't we?
118:28 we? >> I mean, if you follow God's rules, uh if
118:31 >> I mean, if you follow God's rules, uh if you don't sin, you you you can't I mean,
118:34 you don't sin, you you you can't I mean, you can't not sin,
118:36 you can't not sin, >> right? So if if if not so then if not
118:39 >> right? So if if if not so then if not sinning was the way to get to heaven,
118:40 sinning was the way to get to heaven, then none of us can go to heaven on that
118:42 then none of us can go to heaven on that on that basis.
118:44 on that basis. >> As I said, God is good. He forgives us
118:47 >> As I said, God is good. He forgives us for whatever.
118:48 for whatever. >> Does he forgive everyone or who does he
118:50 >> Does he forgive everyone or who does he forgive?
118:51 forgive? Uh he he know he knows what's what goes
118:53 Uh he he know he knows what's what goes what goes in our hearts what what's our
118:58 what goes in our hearts what what's our intentions are what do we do what um
119:01 intentions are what do we do what um what are we really inside
119:05 what are we really inside >> but don't but doesn't wouldn't that be
119:07 >> but don't but doesn't wouldn't that be worrying that what he knows what's going
119:09 worrying that what he knows what's going inside your your your heart and your
119:10 inside your your your heart and your head right now
119:12 head right now >> if if your if your intentions are really
119:14 >> if if your if your intentions are really if your intentions are really what you
119:16 if your intentions are really what you like if you are really pure
119:20 like if you are really pure from the inside, then there's uh no way
119:23 from the inside, then there's uh no way that that you don't go to heaven.
119:25 that that you don't go to heaven. >> But is that you? Are you pure from the
119:27 >> But is that you? Are you pure from the inside?
119:28 inside? >> I'm I'm not I'm I'm going to be 100% uh
119:32 >> I'm I'm not I'm I'm going to be 100% uh truthful with you.
119:34 truthful with you. >> I appreciate that. I'm not pure on the
119:36 >> I appreciate that. I'm not pure on the inside either. I don't think any human
119:37 inside either. I don't think any human being besides Jesus is pure. We're all
119:39 being besides Jesus is pure. We're all sinners. We all
119:40 sinners. We all >> evil in many ways. So that's why we
119:44 >> evil in many ways. So that's why we cannot we can't actually get forgiveness
119:46 cannot we can't actually get forgiveness by just trying to be pure, right?
119:48 by just trying to be pure, right? Heaven's not for good people. Heaven is
119:50 Heaven's not for good people. Heaven is for forgiven people.
119:53 for forgiven people. >> Yeah. True.
119:54 >> Yeah. True. >> So what God does, what we actually need
119:56 >> So what God does, what we actually need is we need someone who could take our
119:58 is we need someone who could take our punishment on our behalf.
120:01 punishment on our behalf. >> And that's what Jesus did.
120:03 >> And that's what Jesus did. >> Well, it's like if you
120:04 >> Well, it's like if you >> Oh, yeah.
120:04 >> Oh, yeah. >> You know, it's like you had a speeding
120:05 >> You know, it's like you had a speeding fine. If someone paid your speeding
120:07 fine. If someone paid your speeding fine, all of it on your behalf as a
120:10 fine, all of it on your behalf as a gift,
120:11 gift, >> then how much is left for you to pay?
120:15 >> then how much is left for you to pay? >> Yeah. Um, zero. zero. And that's what
120:19 >> Yeah. Um, zero. zero. And that's what Jesus did. If he takes 100% of your hell
120:22 Jesus did. If he takes 100% of your hell punishment that you deserve, then how
120:25 punishment that you deserve, then how much punishment is left for you to still
120:26 much punishment is left for you to still get?
120:28 get? >> Zero.
120:28 >> Zero. >> Right? And so then where do where then
120:30 >> Right? And so then where do where then do you get to go when you die?
120:34 do you get to go when you die? >> Uh heaven,
120:35 >> Uh heaven, >> right? So why do you get to go to
120:36 >> right? So why do you get to go to heaven?
120:39 heaven? >> Cuz Jesus uh No, now you're you're
120:42 >> Cuz Jesus uh No, now you're you're you're telling me that cuz Jesus died on
120:44 you're telling me that cuz Jesus died on on a cross for us. uh is that's why uh
120:49 on a cross for us. uh is that's why uh we should go to heaven.
120:50 we should go to heaven. >> Correct.
120:50 >> Correct. >> Even if we sin.
120:52 >> Even if we sin. >> Correct. So, not because we're pure,
120:53 >> Correct. So, not because we're pure, because we're not pure,
120:55 because we're not pure, >> but he was and he died for our sins, but
120:57 >> but he was and he died for our sins, but we have to accept that as a gift
120:59 we have to accept that as a gift >> by trusting in him that he's taken the
121:02 >> by trusting in him that he's taken the punishment for our sins. Does that make
121:04 punishment for our sins. Does that make sense?
121:06 sense? >> Yeah.
121:06 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, then let's say you trust this
121:08 >> Yeah. So, then let's say you trust this today that he's done that for you, but
121:10 today that he's done that for you, but then you sin again five times tomorrow.
121:12 then you sin again five times tomorrow. Do you think that you'd go to heaven or
121:14 Do you think that you'd go to heaven or hell?
121:23 Um, is if you're what you're saying that he died on a cross for us for us. If
121:26 he died on a cross for us for us. If like if that's what you're saying, then
121:28 like if that's what you're saying, then I might I I have I'm going to heaven.
121:31 I might I I have I'm going to heaven. >> Yeah, you're right. Because he died for
121:33 >> Yeah, you're right. Because he died for your past, present, and future sins if
121:35 your past, present, and future sins if you're trusting in him, which is so
121:37 you're trusting in him, which is so amazing. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean
121:38 amazing. Yeah. Now, that doesn't mean you want to sin. Sin is still bad. Um,
121:41 you want to sin. Sin is still bad. Um, but what if you don't trust that he died
121:43 but what if you don't trust that he died for you? Where would you end up?
121:50 Uh, I mean still in heaven. >> Okay. But if you don't trust, he
121:52 >> Okay. But if you don't trust, he actually doesn't then take your
121:53 actually doesn't then take your punishment. He only takes your
121:55 punishment. He only takes your punishment if you trust that he's done
121:58 punishment if you trust that he's done that for you.
122:00 that for you. >> Oh,
122:01 >> Oh, >> you see that? So, it' actually be hell
122:02 >> you see that? So, it' actually be hell if you don't trust.
122:04 if you don't trust. >> And so, since you don't want to be sent
122:05 >> And so, since you don't want to be sent to hell, when should you start trusting
122:08 to hell, when should you start trusting that you're going to heaven because
122:10 that you're going to heaven because Jesus took that for you?
122:20 Um when I sin like I like >> Yeah.
122:20 >> Yeah. >> So we we should start
122:23 >> So we we should start >> Yeah.
122:23 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Right now. Exactly. That's a good
122:25 >> Yeah. Right now. Exactly. That's a good answer. Good answer. So then if you
122:27 answer. Good answer. So then if you stood before God today and he asked you
122:29 stood before God today and he asked you why should I let you into heaven? What
122:31 why should I let you into heaven? What do you think you'd say to him?
122:40 I would say like I have sinned a lot and >> I that I believe in God and I I don't
122:43 >> I that I believe in God and I I don't know. I haven't thought of that
122:45 know. I haven't thought of that actually.
122:45 actually. >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I've
122:46 >> Yeah. Yeah, that's fine. Yeah, I've sinned a lot. But what's the reason why
122:48 sinned a lot. But what's the reason why we get to go to heaven even though we
122:50 we get to go to heaven even though we deserve hell?
122:53 deserve hell? >> Huh? I see that.
122:55 >> Huh? I see that. >> What was the reason why we get to go to
122:56 >> What was the reason why we get to go to heaven even though we deserve hell?
123:00 heaven even though we deserve hell? Um cuz Jesus died on a cross for us.
123:04 Um cuz Jesus died on a cross for us. >> That's the reason you got it. Exactly.
123:05 >> That's the reason you got it. Exactly. So then if God asked you, "Why should I
123:07 So then if God asked you, "Why should I let you into heaven?" What should you
123:09 let you into heaven?" What should you say to him?
123:11 say to him? >> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for us.
123:13 >> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for us. >> That's the reason. Good job. So does
123:15 >> That's the reason. Good job. So does doing good things play any part in
123:18 doing good things play any part in getting you to heaven?
123:21 getting you to heaven? >> No.
123:22 >> No. >> No. We still do good things, but we just
123:24 >> No. We still do good things, but we just don't do them to go to heaven. We do
123:25 don't do them to go to heaven. We do them to say thank you to him for what
123:27 them to say thank you to him for what he's done for us.
123:28 he's done for us. >> Thank you to him. Yeah.
123:29 >> Thank you to him. Yeah. >> Yeah. So, how sure are you out of a
123:31 >> Yeah. So, how sure are you out of a hundred that you're going to heaven when
123:32 hundred that you're going to heaven when you die?
123:35 you die? >> I don't know, maybe 20.
123:37 >> I don't know, maybe 20. >> 20%. All right. But how much of your
123:39 >> 20%. All right. But how much of your punishment did Jesus take for you?
123:43 punishment did Jesus take for you? >> 100.
123:44 >> 100. >> Yeah. So, then how much punishment is
123:46 >> Yeah. So, then how much punishment is left for you to still get in hell?
123:49 left for you to still get in hell? >> Zero.
123:51 >> Zero. >> Does that mean does that mean that if we
123:54 >> Does that mean does that mean that if we sin then we can just do whatever we
123:58 sin then we can just do whatever we want? That's a great question. That's a
124:00 want? That's a great question. That's a brilliant question. That's what the
124:01 brilliant question. That's what the Bible actually asked the question. So
124:03 Bible actually asked the question. So then, shall we keep on sinning so that
124:05 then, shall we keep on sinning so that grace may abound if we're forgiven by
124:07 grace may abound if we're forgiven by Jesus? And the answer is no. We don't
124:09 Jesus? And the answer is no. We don't want to. Why? Because we know that our
124:12 want to. Why? Because we know that our sins cost Jesus his life. So, do you
124:15 sins cost Jesus his life. So, do you want to keep on doing the very sins that
124:16 want to keep on doing the very sins that killed him?
124:18 killed him? >> No.
124:19 >> No. >> No. So because of our love for God and
124:21 >> No. So because of our love for God and the fact that we've been set free from
124:23 the fact that we've been set free from enslavement to sin motivates us to try
124:26 enslavement to sin motivates us to try and live differently even though future
124:28 and live differently even though future sins do not exclude us from heaven at
124:31 sins do not exclude us from heaven at all. Do you see that?
124:33 all. Do you see that? >> Yeah.
124:34 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. So if you are trusting today that
124:36 >> Yeah. So if you are trusting today that Jesus paid for your sin, how sure can
124:38 Jesus paid for your sin, how sure can you be that you're going to heaven?
124:41 you be that you're going to heaven? >> 100%.
124:42 >> 100%. >> There you go. It's such a comfort. It's
124:43 >> There you go. It's such a comfort. It's such a joy knowing this. Yeah.
124:45 such a joy knowing this. Yeah. >> That's why we call it the good news of
124:48 >> That's why we call it the good news of the gospel cuz it's giving you that
124:50 the gospel cuz it's giving you that absolute certainty of heaven,
124:53 absolute certainty of heaven, >> right?
124:53 >> right? >> Yeah.
124:54 >> Yeah. >> So then what if a friend told you that
124:57 >> So then what if a friend told you that he's going to heaven because he's a good
124:59 he's going to heaven because he's a good person? Would that friend go to heaven
125:01 person? Would that friend go to heaven or hell?
125:03 or hell? >> Uh depends on on who he believes in. No.
125:07 >> Uh depends on on who he believes in. No. >> Okay. True. Based on what he said, was
125:09 >> Okay. True. Based on what he said, was he believing in Jesus to get to heaven
125:11 he believing in Jesus to get to heaven or was he believing in himself to get
125:12 or was he believing in himself to get there?
125:15 there? uh in himself.
125:17 uh in himself. >> Yeah. Which means he doesn't have Jesus.
125:18 >> Yeah. Which means he doesn't have Jesus. So where does he end up?
125:26 >> I mean he might as well be believing in Jesus. But like he he is he is really a
125:28 Jesus. But like he he is he is really a good person. He does a lot a lot of good
125:30 good person. He does a lot a lot of good stuff.
125:31 stuff. >> Okay. But the key what it means to
125:33 >> Okay. But the key what it means to believe in Jesus is not just believing
125:34 believe in Jesus is not just believing he's a real person and died on the
125:36 he's a real person and died on the cross. What it means to believe in Jesus
125:38 cross. What it means to believe in Jesus is that I'm going to heaven only because
125:40 is that I'm going to heaven only because he died on the cross for me. So by
125:43 he died on the cross for me. So by somebody thinking that he's going to
125:45 somebody thinking that he's going to heaven because he's a good person, is he
125:47 heaven because he's a good person, is he believing in Jesus to get him there or
125:49 believing in Jesus to get him there or himself?
125:51 himself? >> In himself,
125:52 >> In himself, >> which means he doesn't really have true
125:53 >> which means he doesn't really have true faith in Jesus. So then,
125:55 faith in Jesus. So then, >> yeah,
125:56 >> yeah, >> he pays for his own sin. So where would
125:57 >> he pays for his own sin. So where would he go?
125:59 he go? >> Uh, hell.
126:00 >> Uh, hell. >> Yeah, it would be hell. Good answer.
126:02 >> Yeah, it would be hell. Good answer. >> Okay. So then, um, what if you had
126:05 >> Okay. So then, um, what if you had another friend though who said, "I think
126:07 another friend though who said, "I think I'm going to heaven because of Jesus and
126:09 I'm going to heaven because of Jesus and because I do good things." Where would
126:11 because I do good things." Where would that person go?
126:13 that person go? >> Heaven.
126:14 >> Heaven. >> Now, by trusting in two things to save
126:16 >> Now, by trusting in two things to save him, is he trusting 100% in Jesus or
126:19 him, is he trusting 100% in Jesus or only 50%.
126:22 only 50%. >> 100% in Jesus and another 100% in in
126:25 >> 100% in Jesus and another 100% in in himself.
126:25 himself. >> Well, you can't have 100% in two
126:27 >> Well, you can't have 100% in two different things. You're either relying
126:29 different things. You're either relying fully on Jesus or you're relying half or
126:33 fully on Jesus or you're relying half or partly on Jesus. No, I mean you you're
126:35 partly on Jesus. No, I mean you you're you're telling me that um
126:40 you're telling me that um like he he's believing in himself and in
126:43 like he he's believing in himself and in Jesus, right?
126:44 Jesus, right? >> As the reason. So he's thinking Jesus is
126:46 >> As the reason. So he's thinking Jesus is not enough to get me to heaven, just
126:48 not enough to get me to heaven, just trusting in him. So I'm also relying on
126:50 trusting in him. So I'm also relying on what I do to get myself up to heaven.
126:53 what I do to get myself up to heaven. No, but but we we should do good uh good
126:58 No, but but we we should do good uh good so we can pay like pay for Jesus's like
127:02 so we can pay like pay for Jesus's like uh dying on on the cross, right?
127:04 uh dying on on the cross, right? >> Yeah. We could never pay for that. It's
127:05 >> Yeah. We could never pay for that. It's a gift he gives to us. But I agree that
127:07 a gift he gives to us. But I agree that we should say thank you to him and
127:09 we should say thank you to him and that's why we do good things. So I'm
127:11 that's why we do good things. So I'm encouraging you definitely do good
127:12 encouraging you definitely do good things,
127:13 things, >> but I'm saying if you think that the
127:15 >> but I'm saying if you think that the good things you do play a part in
127:17 good things you do play a part in getting you to heaven,
127:19 getting you to heaven, >> then you're not trusting Jesus.
127:21 >> then you're not trusting Jesus. Yeah, that's yeah, if you bring it up
127:24 Yeah, that's yeah, if you bring it up that way that then it's then you're just
127:28 that way that then it's then you're just taking 50% and 50% like of the two
127:31 taking 50% and 50% like of the two things.
127:31 things. >> And so that's and that's the issue is
127:33 >> And so that's and that's the issue is that most people think that to get to
127:35 that most people think that to get to heaven, it's partly what they do and
127:37 heaven, it's partly what they do and maybe partly what Jesus does and and
127:39 maybe partly what Jesus does and and that's a rejection of Jesus. So think
127:42 that's a rejection of Jesus. So think back at the beginning of this
127:43 back at the beginning of this conversation, what did you think was
127:46 conversation, what did you think was going to get you into heaven?
127:49 going to get you into heaven? Um that being a good person that uh
127:52 Um that being a good person that uh brings me to to
127:54 brings me to to >> So if if you had died then before we
127:56 >> So if if you had died then before we talk today then where would you have
127:57 talk today then where would you have ended up?
127:59 ended up? >> In hell
128:00 >> In hell >> right but if you died this very moment
128:02 >> right but if you died this very moment where would you go?
128:04 where would you go? >> In heaven.
128:05 >> In heaven. >> Yeah. If your trust is in Jesus then
128:07 >> Yeah. If your trust is in Jesus then that would make this conversation a big
128:08 that would make this conversation a big turning point in your life wouldn't it
128:10 turning point in your life wouldn't it be?
128:11 be? >> Yeah.
128:12 >> Yeah. >> That's so good.
128:13 >> That's so good. >> And I want to say thank you.
128:14 >> And I want to say thank you. >> Yeah my pleasure man. It's such a joy
128:16 >> Yeah my pleasure man. It's such a joy being able to share this with you. And
128:18 being able to share this with you. And as a result, this makes us love Jesus
128:20 as a result, this makes us love Jesus more and it makes us even want to read
128:21 more and it makes us even want to read the Bible. So, do you have a Bible at
128:24 the Bible. So, do you have a Bible at home?
128:24 home? >> Yeah. Yeah, I have like 10 or 20.
128:28 >> Yeah. Yeah, I have like 10 or 20. >> Wow. Okay, great. And so, do you read it
128:30 >> Wow. Okay, great. And so, do you read it much?
128:31 much? >> Uh, no.
128:33 >> Uh, no. >> No.
128:33 >> No. >> I I used to like when I was little, but
128:37 >> I I used to like when I was little, but right now I I I don't really got m much
128:40 right now I I I don't really got m much time.
128:41 time. >> Okay. Now, I think we all do have 24
128:43 >> Okay. Now, I think we all do have 24 hours in a day. So, we have time to do
128:45 hours in a day. So, we have time to do it. It's just about prioritizing what we
128:47 it. It's just about prioritizing what we think is most important.
128:48 think is most important. >> Yeah.
128:49 >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? And so, if we've
128:50 >> You know what I mean? And so, if we've ever got time to look at our phone in
128:51 ever got time to look at our phone in the day or go on the internet, then
128:52 the day or go on the internet, then we've got time to read our Bible.
128:55 we've got time to read our Bible. >> Maybe what you could do is you might
128:56 >> Maybe what you could do is you might even say to yourself, "No Bible, no
128:58 even say to yourself, "No Bible, no breakfast, no read, no feed." And
129:01 breakfast, no read, no feed." And that'll get you in the habit of reading
129:02 that'll get you in the habit of reading it. You could consider starting in the
129:04 it. You could consider starting in the book of John which is in the New
129:06 book of John which is in the New Testament part because it gives you a
129:07 Testament part because it gives you a good introduction to the life of Jesus,
129:09 good introduction to the life of Jesus, what he said and what he did. Do you
129:11 what he said and what he did. Do you think you try and make this a habit of
129:13 think you try and make this a habit of your life to read the Bible each day?
129:15 your life to read the Bible each day? >> Maybe. Yeah, maybe.
129:17 >> Maybe. Yeah, maybe. >> Okay. What Well, did Jesus only do a
129:20 >> Okay. What Well, did Jesus only do a small thing for you or did he do the
129:21 small thing for you or did he do the biggest thing ever?
129:29 >> I believe that he he actually did some great stuff to me.
129:30 great stuff to me. >> He did the biggest thing. the biggest
129:32 >> He did the biggest thing. the biggest thing ever. Yeah. For you. So then how
129:34 thing ever. Yeah. For you. So then how big should the part be that he has in
129:36 big should the part be that he has in your life?
129:39 your life? >> Uh 100%.
129:41 >> Uh 100%. >> Right. Which means if you eat food every
129:44 >> Right. Which means if you eat food every day to feed your your belly, then you
129:47 day to feed your your belly, then you should every day.
129:49 should every day. >> You should thank him. But that's how you
129:51 >> You should thank him. But that's how you talk to God in prayer. But how he talks
129:52 talk to God in prayer. But how he talks to you is through the Bible. And the
129:54 to you is through the Bible. And the Bible says that man doesn't live by
129:55 Bible says that man doesn't live by bread alone, but by every word that
129:58 bread alone, but by every word that comes from the mouth of God.
130:01 comes from the mouth of God. So if you actually appreciate the
130:02 So if you actually appreciate the sacrifice of Jesus, you'll be like,
130:03 sacrifice of Jesus, you'll be like, "Yeah, I want to read his word to find
130:05 "Yeah, I want to read his word to find out more about him." You see that?
130:07 out more about him." You see that? >> Yeah.
130:08 >> Yeah. >> Do you go to church?
130:11 >> Do you go to church? >> Um, only on like
130:14 >> Um, only on like an like on special events,
130:18 an like on special events, >> right? Yeah. What kind of church do you
130:20 >> right? Yeah. What kind of church do you go to?
130:22 go to? >> Uh, I'm Catholic.
130:23 >> Uh, I'm Catholic. >> Catholic. Yep. And is that um in Israel?
130:26 >> Catholic. Yep. And is that um in Israel? You're in Israel?
130:28 You're in Israel? >> Yeah.
130:28 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. that there's many Christians
130:30 >> Yeah. Okay. that there's many Christians in Israel, do you think?
130:31 in Israel, do you think? >> Yeah, there's like about 100,000.
130:34 >> Yeah, there's like about 100,000. >> Oh, wow. Okay.
130:35 >> Oh, wow. Okay. >> There's not that many, but like there
130:37 >> There's not that many, but like there is. Yeah.
130:38 is. Yeah. >> Yeah. And so, um, let me ask you this.
130:41 >> Yeah. And so, um, let me ask you this. Does somebody need to get baptized or
130:43 Does somebody need to get baptized or spread the gospel to go to heaven?
130:49 >> I don't know actually. >> Not sure because those are good actions.
130:51 >> Not sure because those are good actions. It's good to tell others about Jesus and
130:53 It's good to tell others about Jesus and it's good to get baptized.
130:55 it's good to get baptized. But
130:55 But >> yeah,
130:56 >> yeah, >> are we saved by the good actions that we
130:58 >> are we saved by the good actions that we do?
131:00 do? >> No.
131:00 >> No. >> No. And so therefore, would you have to
131:02 >> No. And so therefore, would you have to do those things to go to heaven?
131:06 do those things to go to heaven? >> Um, no.
131:07 >> Um, no. >> No. Exactly. Um, and so always keep that
131:10 >> No. Exactly. Um, and so always keep that in the back of your mind that it's good
131:11 in the back of your mind that it's good to do good actions. I should serve God.
131:13 to do good actions. I should serve God. Stop trying to stop sinning and all
131:15 Stop trying to stop sinning and all those sort of things, but I don't go to
131:17 those sort of things, but I don't go to heaven because of them. They're not a
131:19 heaven because of them. They're not a requirement to get me to heaven. Yeah,
131:22 requirement to get me to heaven. Yeah, you're right.
131:22 you're right. >> When you've been at church, what have
131:24 >> When you've been at church, what have they told you there was the way to get
131:26 they told you there was the way to get to heaven?
131:32 >> Um, that we should praise God. Like we
131:34 that we should praise God. Like we should believe in God.
131:36 should believe in God. >> Yeah. Yeah. They probably mentioned
131:38 >> Yeah. Yeah. They probably mentioned believing in him. They might have
131:39 believing in him. They might have mentioned keeping the ten commandments.
131:43 mentioned keeping the ten commandments. >> Um, no, not really.
131:45 >> Um, no, not really. >> Or baptism or confession.
131:47 >> Or baptism or confession. >> Yeah, baptism. Uh, confession. No. Um,
131:52 >> Yeah, baptism. Uh, confession. No. Um, and yeah.
131:54 and yeah. >> Yeah,
131:54 >> Yeah, >> that's it.
131:54 >> that's it. >> So, often times in many Catholic
131:56 >> So, often times in many Catholic churches, what they'll say is that
131:57 churches, what they'll say is that you've got to do all these extra things
131:59 you've got to do all these extra things to get to heaven. They'll say that faith
132:01 to get to heaven. They'll say that faith in Jesus is not enough.
132:03 in Jesus is not enough. >> And so, what I would encourage you to do
132:04 >> And so, what I would encourage you to do is to check everything with the Bible.
132:06 is to check everything with the Bible. Make sure you hear whenever you're
132:07 Make sure you hear whenever you're there. If you ever hear someone speak
132:09 there. If you ever hear someone speak about God, check it with the Bible to
132:11 about God, check it with the Bible to make sure it lines up. But also, chances
132:14 make sure it lines up. But also, chances are a lot of the people in your
132:16 are a lot of the people in your congregation, the people that you know
132:17 congregation, the people that you know there may not know the way to get to
132:19 there may not know the way to get to heaven. Cuz if you ask them, your
132:21 heaven. Cuz if you ask them, your family, your friends about why they
132:23 family, your friends about why they think they're going to heaven, what do
132:25 think they're going to heaven, what do you think their answer would be?
132:28 you think their answer would be? >> Um, as I said in the start of this
132:31 >> Um, as I said in the start of this conver conversation, uh, that like what
132:33 conver conversation, uh, that like what from what they do, you know?
132:35 from what they do, you know? >> Yeah. Their actions. Yeah. And so,
132:37 >> Yeah. Their actions. Yeah. And so, because you don't want them to go to
132:39 because you don't want them to go to hell, what could you do to help them not
132:40 hell, what could you do to help them not go there?
132:43 go there? uh tell them about uh what you what you
132:45 uh tell them about uh what you what you just told me right now.
132:46 just told me right now. >> Exactly. Pass the message on. That's a
132:48 >> Exactly. Pass the message on. That's a good idea. And um yeah, and if if if you
132:51 good idea. And um yeah, and if if if you keep fighting at church, they keep
132:53 keep fighting at church, they keep telling you maybe it's your works, your
132:54 telling you maybe it's your works, your actions, maybe find a Christian church
132:56 actions, maybe find a Christian church that teaches that it's just Jesus alone
132:58 that teaches that it's just Jesus alone that saves us, not the good actions that
133:00 that saves us, not the good actions that we do.
133:02 we do. >> Yeah, that's important. But do you have
133:03 >> Yeah, that's important. But do you have any questions or any comments?
133:06 any questions or any comments? >> No, actually, thank you for uh this uh
133:09 >> No, actually, thank you for uh this uh conversation actually. Yeah, that's
133:11 conversation actually. Yeah, that's good, man. I'm really I'm really
133:13 good, man. I'm really I'm really encouraged that, you know, we've been
133:14 encouraged that, you know, we've been able to talk about this. So, just remind
133:15 able to talk about this. So, just remind me if God says, "Why should I not send
133:18 me if God says, "Why should I not send you to hell for the sins you've done?"
133:20 you to hell for the sins you've done?" What would you say to him?
133:22 What would you say to him? >> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for me.
133:24 >> Uh cuz Jesus died on a cross for me. >> That's the reason. That's exactly right,
133:26 >> That's the reason. That's exactly right, man. Good answer. And I'll share with
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133:37 encouragement. >> All right. Yeah, I I'll follow you. I'll
133:39 >> All right. Yeah, I I'll follow you. I'll 100% follow you. That's good, man. Yeah,
133:41 100% follow you. That's good, man. Yeah, >> thank you.
133:41 >> thank you. >> Super encouraging. Yeah, feel free to
133:43 >> Super encouraging. Yeah, feel free to check the YouTube live and stuff that we
133:44 check the YouTube live and stuff that we do there.
133:46 do there. >> Um, yeah, of course. My name's Ryan. Is
133:48 >> Um, yeah, of course. My name's Ryan. Is yours Hannah?
133:49 yours Hannah? >> Uh, Hannah. Yes.
133:50 >> Uh, Hannah. Yes. >> Hannah. Awesome.
133:51 >> Hannah. Awesome. >> It means uh mean it means John in in
133:55 >> It means uh mean it means John in in English.
133:55 English. >> Oh, wow. There you go. And I read, you
133:57 >> Oh, wow. There you go. And I read, you know, Yeah. He
134:00 know, Yeah. He uh his name was uh Yuana in like the the
134:04 uh his name was uh Yuana in like the the one who the the person who bapt baptized
134:07 one who the the person who bapt baptized Jesus
134:08 Jesus >> was his name was Johanna is in in like
134:11 >> was his name was Johanna is in in like in right here.
134:13 in right here. >> Yeah.
134:13 >> Yeah. >> In Arabic. So yeah.
134:16 >> In Arabic. So yeah. >> So do you speak what So what languages
134:18 >> So do you speak what So what languages do you speak?
134:20 do you speak? >> Uh Arabic, Hebrew, and English.
134:23 >> Uh Arabic, Hebrew, and English. >> Oh wow, man. That's so cool. That's
134:25 >> Oh wow, man. That's so cool. That's really good.
134:26 really good. >> Yeah.
134:26 >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
134:26 >> Yeah. >> Thank you. Well, man, I I look forward
134:28 >> Thank you. Well, man, I I look forward to seeing you up in heaven if your trust
134:30 to seeing you up in heaven if your trust is in Jesus. Just keep reminding
134:31 is in Jesus. Just keep reminding yourself every day,
134:33 yourself every day, >> I deserve hell.
134:34 >> I deserve hell. >> I'll follow you.
134:35 >> I'll follow you. >> Yep. Go for it. So, just keep reminding
134:36 >> Yep. Go for it. So, just keep reminding yourself every day. One, I deserve hell,
134:38 yourself every day. One, I deserve hell, but two, Jesus took my punishment, so
134:41 but two, Jesus took my punishment, so that's why I'm going to heaven. That's
134:42 that's why I'm going to heaven. That's always a good thing to remind yourself
134:44 always a good thing to remind yourself of and then now try and live for him,
134:46 of and then now try and live for him, avoiding sin out of gratitude to him for
134:49 avoiding sin out of gratitude to him for what he's done for you. But yeah, God
134:51 what he's done for you. But yeah, God bless you, man. Thanks for the chat.
134:53 bless you, man. Thanks for the chat. >> God bless you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.
134:55 >> God bless you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. >> Have a good day. You too.
134:58 >> Have a good day. You too. Oh, wow. What an encouraging
135:00 Oh, wow. What an encouraging conversation that was.
135:07 Oh, so good. Guy in Israel. Did anyone guess Israel?
135:10 Guy in Israel. Did anyone guess Israel? No, I don't think anyone did. No one
135:13 No, I don't think anyone did. No one guessed Israel. Edson said the Vatican.
135:16 guessed Israel. Edson said the Vatican. Imagine that if it connected to someone
135:18 Imagine that if it connected to someone in the Vatican, but no, no one guessed
135:20 in the Vatican, but no, no one guessed Israel. That was a s two surprise
135:22 Israel. That was a s two surprise countries today. Cyprus and Israel.
135:27 countries today. Cyprus and Israel. Um, let's pray for for Hannah. Heavenly
135:30 Um, let's pray for for Hannah. Heavenly Father, do we pray for Hannah? Thank you
135:31 Father, do we pray for Hannah? Thank you so much for him understanding the
135:34 so much for him understanding the gospel, connecting me with him today.
135:37 gospel, connecting me with him today. May he rest in Christ continually for
135:39 May he rest in Christ continually for the rest of his life. And uh, help him
135:42 the rest of his life. And uh, help him to get to know your word better as he
135:44 to get to know your word better as he reads it, as he
135:47 reads it, as he tries to share the gospel with others.
135:48 tries to share the gospel with others. May you have give him courage and
135:50 May you have give him courage and strength and clarity in being able to
135:52 strength and clarity in being able to share that in Jesus name we pray.
135:55 share that in Jesus name we pray. Amen.
135:57 Amen. So good. What a privilege we have
135:59 So good. What a privilege we have Christians to share this life-changing
136:01 Christians to share this life-changing message with people even those who
136:03 message with people even those who profess to be Christians who may not
136:05 profess to be Christians who may not know the message of salvation.
136:09 know the message of salvation. All right, I'm going to pin that
136:10 All right, I'm going to pin that StreamYard link that I've put into the
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136:20 conversation about any topic. Um, whatever perspective you have, even if
136:22 whatever perspective you have, even if you disagree, that's okay. You can come
136:24 you disagree, that's okay. You can come on up. We can have a good chat together.
136:28 on up. We can have a good chat together. Put this in as number seven, Professor
136:31 Put this in as number seven, Professor Faith.
136:34 Faith. That's cool.
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137:01 conversation, then yeah, we can do that right now. Click on
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137:08 that link. Now, let's bring up uh Diego. Welcome, Diego.
137:11 uh Diego. Welcome, Diego. >> Hi, Ryan. Hello. How are you?
137:13 >> Hi, Ryan. Hello. How are you? >> Hey, man. Good. Great to have you here.
137:15 >> Hey, man. Good. Great to have you here. What do you want to ask today?
137:17 What do you want to ask today? >> Yeah. So I'm I tried today to explain uh
137:22 >> Yeah. So I'm I tried today to explain uh the gospel on campus with some Orthodox
137:25 the gospel on campus with some Orthodox people who had to stand on
137:27 people who had to stand on >> and they kept on insisting that it had
137:33 >> and they kept on insisting that it had to include some sort of part where you
137:35 to include some sort of part where you had to maintain your faith yourself
137:38 had to maintain your faith yourself where it was like they didn't know if
137:41 where it was like they didn't know if they were going to stay in the faith. So
137:43 they were going to stay in the faith. So they had said, "Oh yeah, like salvation
137:45 they had said, "Oh yeah, like salvation is if we stay in the faith is if we
137:47 is if we stay in the faith is if we continue to stay in like like um you
137:51 continue to stay in like like um you know in accordance with what God wants
137:52 know in accordance with what God wants us to do." And I try to tell them that
137:55 us to do." And I try to tell them that like you know that's not that's not
137:57 like you know that's not that's not good. You know, you're not relying fully
137:59 good. You know, you're not relying fully on Jesus. But it it was sort of just
138:01 on Jesus. But it it was sort of just looping around and I didn't know how to
138:03 looping around and I didn't know how to like really get them on that point.
138:06 like really get them on that point. >> Yeah. because they think that you stay
138:08 >> Yeah. because they think that you stay in the faith by staying in the Orthodox
138:12 in the faith by staying in the Orthodox institution and keep on receiving the
138:15 institution and keep on receiving the sacraments.
138:16 sacraments. And that's not what it means to stay in
138:18 And that's not what it means to stay in the faith, staying in a particular
138:20 the faith, staying in a particular institution. Staying in the faith just
138:22 institution. Staying in the faith just means continuing to trust in Jesus that
138:23 means continuing to trust in Jesus that he died on the cross for your sins. So,
138:26 he died on the cross for your sins. So, you need to kind of correct their
138:28 you need to kind of correct their understanding of what it means to be in
138:29 understanding of what it means to be in the faith in the first place. It's not
138:31 the faith in the first place. It's not about going to church, even though it's
138:33 about going to church, even though it's good to go to church. It's about having
138:35 good to go to church. It's about having your trust in Jesus. And if they say,
138:39 your trust in Jesus. And if they say, "But how do you know your trust in Jesus
138:40 "But how do you know your trust in Jesus is going to continue to the end?" You
138:42 is going to continue to the end?" You can take them to First Corinthians 1:8,
138:45 can take them to First Corinthians 1:8, which tells us that Jesus Christ will
138:48 which tells us that Jesus Christ will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the
138:51 sustain you to the end, guiltless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
138:53 day of our Lord Jesus Christ. >> He'll keep you to the end. So that's
138:55 >> He'll keep you to the end. So that's helpful. And
138:57 helpful. And ask them,
138:59 ask them, if Jesus takes 100% of your punishment,
139:02 if Jesus takes 100% of your punishment, how much is left? None. So where do you
139:04 how much is left? None. So where do you get to go? Heaven. So why do you get to
139:06 get to go? Heaven. So why do you get to go to heaven?
139:07 go to heaven? >> And then stress that he even took the
139:09 >> And then stress that he even took the punishment for your future sin. So how
139:11 punishment for your future sin. So how could a future sin exclude you from the
139:14 could a future sin exclude you from the kingdom of God?
139:15 kingdom of God? >> Yeah. And it was weird because I would
139:18 >> Yeah. And it was weird because I would tell them that point. How could a future
139:19 tell them that point. How could a future sin sort of condemn you? And they would
139:22 sin sort of condemn you? And they would agree with me on that. They would say,
139:23 agree with me on that. They would say, "Oh yeah, future sins can't do that."
139:25 "Oh yeah, future sins can't do that." And then they would just go straight
139:27 And then they would just go straight back to saying,
139:28 back to saying, >> "But yeah, you have to like continue in
139:30 >> "But yeah, you have to like continue in the faith. You have to like do this and
139:32 the faith. You have to like do this and that." And they kept saying like um like
139:34 that." And they kept saying like um like works of God. They kept saying on that
139:37 works of God. They kept saying on that and I was like
139:38 and I was like >> they're very inconsistent, aren't they?
139:41 >> they're very inconsistent, aren't they? Yeah. In that regard. When they say work
139:43 Yeah. In that regard. When they say work of God, what do you mean? Were they
139:45 of God, what do you mean? Were they saying as in their works are God's
139:46 saying as in their works are God's works? Is that what they're saying?
139:49 works? Is that what they're saying? >> Yeah. It I I tried asking them that and
139:51 >> Yeah. It I I tried asking them that and they were a little confused on that too.
139:53 they were a little confused on that too. They sort of agreed when I said it was
139:56 They sort of agreed when I said it was works from God, but then they would also
139:58 works from God, but then they would also say it was like their own works, but
140:00 say it was like their own works, but then they would also say that it's not
140:03 then they would also say that it's not earning their salvation. And it was so
140:05 earning their salvation. And it was so confusing.
140:07 confusing. >> Yeah. I was thinking about this last
140:08 >> Yeah. I was thinking about this last night. I was thinking about Gal uh
140:10 night. I was thinking about Gal uh Romans Romans 2 5 and 6, which talks
140:13 Romans Romans 2 5 and 6, which talks about how because of your hard and
140:15 about how because of your hard and impenitent heart, you're storing up
140:17 impenitent heart, you're storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath
140:19 wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be
140:21 when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He'll render to each one
140:24 revealed. He'll render to each one according to his works. Notice to his
140:27 according to his works. Notice to his works as in the works that we do. Right?
140:32 works as in the works that we do. Right? If you know how people say, "Oh, all
140:34 If you know how people say, "Oh, all these actions I do, they're all God's
140:35 these actions I do, they're all God's works. So, they're no longer your
140:36 works. So, they're no longer your works." Is that what you're saying? Yet,
140:39 works." Is that what you're saying? Yet, like Noah tried to use this verse of the
140:41 like Noah tried to use this verse of the debate to try and say, "See, you need
140:42 debate to try and say, "See, you need good works to go to heaven." But if
140:44 good works to go to heaven." But if they're not your works, Noah, then how
140:46 they're not your works, Noah, then how can you rely on this verse because this
140:48 can you rely on this verse because this is talking about the works that you're
140:50 is talking about the works that you're doing,
140:51 doing, >> right?
140:52 >> right? You see that? So they want to try and
140:54 You see that? So they want to try and say it's not their works to get around
140:56 say it's not their works to get around Ephesians 2:8 and 9,
141:00 Ephesians 2:8 and 9, >> but then they then destroy all the other
141:02 >> but then they then destroy all the other verses they want to rely upon which talk
141:04 verses they want to rely upon which talk about they all the passages they try and
141:06 about they all the passages they try and rely upon saying you need works to get
141:08 rely upon saying you need works to get to heaven.
141:10 to heaven. >> Right. So they can't have their cake and
141:12 >> Right. So they can't have their cake and eat it too. At least our p perspective
141:14 eat it too. At least our p perspective holds consistently to scripture. We can
141:17 holds consistently to scripture. We can incorporate every verse into our
141:18 incorporate every verse into our theology. They can't.
141:20 theology. They can't. >> Yeah. And there was a sort of another
141:22 >> Yeah. And there was a sort of another big point that they were sort of
141:24 big point that they were sort of stressing that it was it was as if
141:30 stressing that it was it was as if like Jesus like took all your sins. They
141:32 like Jesus like took all your sins. They said, "Oh, like that's like a violation
141:34 said, "Oh, like that's like a violation of my free will." And I like didn't
141:36 of my free will." And I like didn't really know what verse to like think of
141:38 really know what verse to like think of cuz I was like I know it's not really,
141:43 cuz I was like I know it's not really, but it's like I I really didn't know how
141:45 but it's like I I really didn't know how to respond because they always stress
141:47 to respond because they always stress this like oh free will. It's like it's
141:49 this like oh free will. It's like it's my choice to stay in the faith. And it
141:53 my choice to stay in the faith. And it it was I I really sort of blanked there,
141:55 it was I I really sort of blanked there, but I kept on trying to like loop it
141:57 but I kept on trying to like loop it back to the gospel. But
142:00 back to the gospel. But >> I would just ask them, how is it a
142:03 >> I would just ask them, how is it a violation of your free will to have
142:05 violation of your free will to have Christ, which was in the father's plan,
142:07 Christ, which was in the father's plan, for him to be crucified for sinners. Um
142:11 for him to be crucified for sinners. Um you from your perspective make the
142:13 you from your perspective make the choice to put your trust in Jesus. And
142:16 choice to put your trust in Jesus. And when you put your trust in Jesus, God is
142:18 when you put your trust in Jesus, God is not dragging you, kicking and screaming
142:20 not dragging you, kicking and screaming against your will, he's just changed
142:22 against your will, he's just changed Jules. He's he's made you willing. So
142:25 Jules. He's he's made you willing. So when a regenerated person hears the
142:27 when a regenerated person hears the gospel, they embrace it with faith
142:30 gospel, they embrace it with faith because they have had a heart changed by
142:32 because they have had a heart changed by God.
142:34 God. >> Yeah. I I just think they their
142:36 >> Yeah. I I just think they their arguments don't really make much sense
142:38 arguments don't really make much sense if they're trying to say that
142:40 if they're trying to say that >> Yeah.
142:41 >> Yeah. >> the crucifixion or the cross. In fact,
142:43 >> the crucifixion or the cross. In fact, some Orthodox people just will say that
142:44 some Orthodox people just will say that they think the whole idea of Jesus dying
142:46 they think the whole idea of Jesus dying for our sins is unjust. They think
142:49 for our sins is unjust. They think >> it's not. This is
142:50 >> it's not. This is >> Yeah.
142:51 >> Yeah. >> Did they say that?
142:52 >> Did they say that? >> Well, I I told they asked me because I
142:55 >> Well, I I told they asked me because I was asking them, "How sure are you out
142:57 was asking them, "How sure are you out of 100 you'll go to heaven?" And then
142:59 of 100 you'll go to heaven?" And then they switched it on me, right? They're
143:00 they switched it on me, right? They're like, "Okay, how sure are you?" And then
143:01 like, "Okay, how sure are you?" And then I said, "Hundred." And then one of them
143:04 I said, "Hundred." And then one of them said it was like prideful for me to
143:06 said it was like prideful for me to assume that. And I said, "Well, it's not
143:09 assume that. And I said, "Well, it's not prideful for me to say that because I'm
143:10 prideful for me to say that because I'm actually relying on Jesus, not on
143:13 actually relying on Jesus, not on myself." And
143:14 myself." And >> there you go. Good answer.
143:16 >> there you go. Good answer. >> Yeah. Is it prideful to say that God is
143:18 >> Yeah. Is it prideful to say that God is ever faithful?
143:20 ever faithful? I know that God is ever faithful. No,
143:22 I know that God is ever faithful. No, that's not prideful,
143:23 that's not prideful, >> right?
143:23 >> right? >> That's just affirming who God is. Is it
143:26 >> That's just affirming who God is. Is it prideful to believe a promise that God
143:28 prideful to believe a promise that God has given you? No, that's just trusting
143:30 has given you? No, that's just trusting God. And so if God has given me the
143:32 God. And so if God has given me the promise of eternal life, for me to know
143:34 promise of eternal life, for me to know that I have eternal life is not pride
143:36 that I have eternal life is not pride because it's just trusting what God has
143:38 because it's just trusting what God has promised.
143:39 promised. >> It's really the opposite of pride. It's
143:40 >> It's really the opposite of pride. It's humility as you rest in Christ.
143:43 humility as you rest in Christ. >> Yeah. And there was this one more thing
143:45 >> Yeah. And there was this one more thing that they brought up. it was about um
143:49 that they brought up. it was about um deserving sort of to hear the gospel
143:52 deserving sort of to hear the gospel because one of them said I talked to
143:54 because one of them said I talked to them after
143:55 them after um they said like it was that everyone
144:01 um they said like it was that everyone deserves to hear the gospel and that
144:05 deserves to hear the gospel and that you know it's like I don't know it was
144:07 you know it's like I don't know it was some like emphasis on like God's love
144:09 some like emphasis on like God's love and I was like oh God's merciful God
144:11 and I was like oh God's merciful God wants everyone to hear the gospel it's
144:13 wants everyone to hear the gospel it's like everyone deserves to hear the
144:15 like everyone deserves to hear the gospel
144:16 gospel And you know, I tried to explain to them
144:18 And you know, I tried to explain to them that like, no, it's everyone actually
144:20 that like, no, it's everyone actually deserves to go to hell. And they would
144:23 deserves to go to hell. And they would agree with that, but then they would
144:24 agree with that, but then they would have say, "Oh, no, but Jesus actually
144:26 have say, "Oh, no, but Jesus actually just conquered death or something." And
144:30 just conquered death or something." And >> yeah, he conquered death by rising from
144:32 >> yeah, he conquered death by rising from the dead,
144:33 the dead, >> but that doesn't mean that everyone's
144:34 >> but that doesn't mean that everyone's going to hear the gospel or that
144:36 going to hear the gospel or that everyone deserves to hear the gospel. If
144:38 everyone deserves to hear the gospel. If we think that people deserve to hear the
144:40 we think that people deserve to hear the gospel, then it means that them hearing
144:43 gospel, then it means that them hearing it is not a gift. It's actually not by
144:44 it is not a gift. It's actually not by grace anymore because grace means
144:46 grace anymore because grace means undeserved kindness.
144:48 undeserved kindness. >> So if you deserve to hear the gospel,
144:50 >> So if you deserve to hear the gospel, then you're not hearing the gospel by
144:52 then you're not hearing the gospel by grace.
144:54 grace. >> Yeah, I see.
144:55 >> Yeah, I see. >> I see that. Yeah, that's good, man. I
144:58 >> I see that. Yeah, that's good, man. I appreciate Diego that you were out there
145:00 appreciate Diego that you were out there preaching Jesus Christ and these
145:03 preaching Jesus Christ and these conversations are good for you to help
145:04 conversations are good for you to help you um reflect on the gospel, how
145:08 you um reflect on the gospel, how amazing it is, but then also to know to
145:10 amazing it is, but then also to know to think of what what am I saying next time
145:12 think of what what am I saying next time and just to pray for them. You know, you
145:14 and just to pray for them. You know, you what you said seemed to be pretty good
145:16 what you said seemed to be pretty good >> and so just pray that God's spirit
145:18 >> and so just pray that God's spirit softens their heart, brings them to
145:20 softens their heart, brings them to himself.
145:21 himself. >> Yeah, I'll be they told me that they'll
145:23 >> Yeah, I'll be they told me that they'll be out again on Monday, so I'll try to
145:25 be out again on Monday, so I'll try to see them around that time.
145:28 see them around that time. Good on you, man. Hey, thanks for coming
145:30 Good on you, man. Hey, thanks for coming up, man. God bless you.
145:31 up, man. God bless you. >> Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. God bless.
145:35 >> Thanks, Ryan. Thanks. God bless. >> All right, let's bring up Emanuel who's
145:37 >> All right, let's bring up Emanuel who's next. Welcome, Emanuel.
145:38 next. Welcome, Emanuel. >> Uh, hello. Hello. Praise the Lord.
145:40 >> Uh, hello. Hello. Praise the Lord. >> Hey, man. Great to have you here. Yeah.
145:43 >> Hey, man. Great to have you here. Yeah. What do you want to ask about?
145:44 What do you want to ask about? >> I'm a recent Well, I would like to start
145:46 >> I'm a recent Well, I would like to start by saying like I'm I'm a recent uh
145:48 by saying like I'm I'm a recent uh subscriber. I've seen you for for a
145:50 subscriber. I've seen you for for a while and I appreciate what you're
145:51 while and I appreciate what you're doing, spreading the gospel, spreading
145:54 doing, spreading the gospel, spreading what God does
145:55 what God does >> and and yeah, like the only way to have
145:57 >> and and yeah, like the only way to have is through the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a
146:01 is through the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a well, you actually did a video of of the
146:06 well, you actually did a video of of the belief I have. I identify myself as a
146:08 belief I have. I identify myself as a Christian, but in deep forward I am a
146:11 Christian, but in deep forward I am a oneness Pentecostal Christian. I
146:14 oneness Pentecostal Christian. I >> okay
146:15 >> okay >> I my whole entire life I've grown up in
146:20 >> I my whole entire life I've grown up in uh uh sorry my whole entire life I've
146:23 uh uh sorry my whole entire life I've grown up in the witness Pentecostal
146:25 grown up in the witness Pentecostal community and in the apostolic church of
146:28 community and in the apostolic church of Mexico and I've learned about the
146:30 Mexico and I've learned about the oneness of God and many things and I
146:32 oneness of God and many things and I would like to say what do you believe
146:34 would like to say what do you believe specifically about God so you've
146:37 specifically about God so you've probably stated this in other episodes
146:38 probably stated this in other episodes you probably stated this in other
146:39 you probably stated this in other episodes but I would just like to reay
146:44 episodes but I would just like to reay like what you believe about God in the
146:46 like what you believe about God in the >> I agree that God is one. There's only
146:47 >> I agree that God is one. There's only one God, not five gods. One God, but he
146:51 one God, not five gods. One God, but he is definitely a triune God as scripture
146:53 is definitely a triune God as scripture talks about speaks about Jesus being
146:55 talks about speaks about Jesus being God, the father being God, and the Holy
146:57 God, the father being God, and the Holy Spirit being God and yet still being
146:59 Spirit being God and yet still being distinct persons as well. And so I think
147:04 distinct persons as well. And so I think oneness is a serious error just like
147:06 oneness is a serious error just like Jehovah's Witnesses have a serious error
147:08 Jehovah's Witnesses have a serious error of thinking Jesus a created being and
147:10 of thinking Jesus a created being and they deny his divinity. I'd say oneness
147:12 they deny his divinity. I'd say oneness is equally as serious of an error.
147:20 >> All right. >> But because because ultimately you said
147:23 >> But because because ultimately you said you've learned about the oneness of God
147:24 you've learned about the oneness of God from your church. Okay. I appreciate
147:26 from your church. Okay. I appreciate that.
147:27 that. >> But
147:28 >> But do you get it from the Bible from your
147:31 do you get it from the Bible from your perspective?
147:33 perspective? Um, you you may have some key texts that
147:36 Um, you you may have some key texts that they point to, but do they fit? Does
147:39 they point to, but do they fit? Does your understanding of God fit all the
147:41 your understanding of God fit all the texts of scripture, including the
147:44 texts of scripture, including the passages that give a great distinction
147:46 passages that give a great distinction between the father and the son?
147:50 between the father and the son? >> I honestly do believe it it does
147:54 >> I honestly do believe it it does specifically because the fact that like
147:57 specifically because the fact that like we well yeah, God I'm not first I want
148:00 we well yeah, God I'm not first I want to say I'm I'm speaking for myself. I'm
148:02 to say I'm I'm speaking for myself. I'm not speaking for the entire community,
148:03 not speaking for the entire community, but me reading analyzing, I've seen that
148:07 but me reading analyzing, I've seen that God manifested himself in flesh. Like he
148:10 God manifested himself in flesh. Like he God in general is a one being. We see
148:13 God in general is a one being. We see that in Deuteronomy 6:4 and many other
148:14 that in Deuteronomy 6:4 and many other passages of scripture where God is is
148:17 passages of scripture where God is is one and and then we see that God
148:20 one and and then we see that God manifests himself in the
148:26 sort of >> well in other passages of scripture of
148:27 >> well in other passages of scripture of the oneness of God and like Isaiah
148:30 the oneness of God and like Isaiah there's no there's no God next to me
148:32 there's no there's no God next to me that that does not imply the trinity
148:34 that that does not imply the trinity because I do understand that the trinity
148:36 because I do understand that the trinity is three persons in one being not three
148:38 is three persons in one being not three beings
148:40 beings >> so right having that So how do you how
148:43 >> so right having that So how do you how do you deal with like when I read
148:46 do you deal with like when I read through John 17 which is the high
148:48 through John 17 which is the high priestly prayer of Jesus I don't see how
148:50 priestly prayer of Jesus I don't see how you could read that thinking that Jesus
148:54 you could read that thinking that Jesus is the father
148:56 is the father right so for example verse 5 and now
149:00 right so for example verse 5 and now father glorify me in your own presence
149:04 father glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you
149:07 with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.
149:10 before the world existed. So, do we see Jesus being called the
149:13 So, do we see Jesus being called the father here, or do we see a distinction
149:14 father here, or do we see a distinction between the father and Jesus here?
149:19 between the father and Jesus here? >> So, it says, and I'm reading from the
149:21 >> So, it says, and I'm reading from the screen right now. It's it's okay if I
149:23 screen right now. It's it's okay if I could reread the verse.
149:24 could reread the verse. >> Yeah. Yeah. Go for it.
149:26 >> Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. >> It says, "And now, Father, glorify me in
149:29 >> It says, "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I
149:32 your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."
149:34 had with you before the world existed." Yeah. I can say the father and the and
149:36 Yeah. I can say the father and the and Jesus are right now being talking in in
149:38 Jesus are right now being talking in in separate. But what I could say is that
149:40 separate. But what I could say is that oh obviously Jesus was a Jew. Jesus
149:43 oh obviously Jesus was a Jew. Jesus being a Jew he um he grew up believing
149:46 being a Jew he um he grew up believing in the monotheistic that there's one God
149:49 in the monotheistic that there's one God and that there's only one God we should
149:50 and that there's only one God we should serve. Understanding that then it says
149:52 serve. Understanding that then it says and father glorify me. So Jesus had that
149:55 and father glorify me. So Jesus had that glory before because he is God. Father
149:57 glory before because he is God. Father is referring because he's heavenly
149:59 is referring because he's heavenly father. He was the one that caused his
150:01 father. He was the one that caused his conception. He's an etern eternal God.
150:04 conception. He's an etern eternal God. That that's the way I
150:05 That that's the way I >> So like if I'm if I'm with you, right?
150:09 >> So like if I'm if I'm with you, right? If I'm like, "Hey, look, you and me are
150:11 If I'm like, "Hey, look, you and me are hang Emanuel and I are hanging out. I'm
150:12 hang Emanuel and I are hanging out. I'm with you, Emanuel. And Emanuel, can you
150:15 with you, Emanuel. And Emanuel, can you give me some of that glory that you had
150:16 give me some of that glory that you had or can you give me some soup or
150:17 or can you give me some soup or something like that?" Well, clearly you
150:19 something like that?" Well, clearly you and me are not the same being the same
150:22 and me are not the same being the same person. We are we are separate persons.
150:24 person. We are we are separate persons. You're a person over there. I'm a person
150:26 You're a person over there. I'm a person here. We're hanging out with each other.
150:27 here. We're hanging out with each other. Now Jesus, yes, he's the same being as
150:29 Now Jesus, yes, he's the same being as the father, but he's not the same person
150:31 the father, but he's not the same person as the father because it says glorify me
150:34 as the father because it says glorify me in your presence. So Jesus was in the
150:37 in your presence. So Jesus was in the presence of the father, which means
150:38 presence of the father, which means Jesus is not the father and it destroys
150:40 Jesus is not the father and it destroys oneness theology. Then
150:43 oneness theology. Then I was with you. If you are that thing,
150:46 I was with you. If you are that thing, you're not with that person.
150:48 you're not with that person. >> You are that person
150:49 >> You are that person >> because he was that the thing. Like an
150:51 >> because he was that the thing. Like an example, we see the that the
150:53 example, we see the that the manifestation sign. So like God could
150:55 manifestation sign. So like God could still could be in heaven and Jesus
150:58 still could be in heaven and Jesus Christ at the same time. Not referring
151:00 Christ at the same time. Not referring that there's two different persons, but
151:02 that there's two different persons, but referring that there's a two
151:03 referring that there's a two manifestations of God, but he can still
151:05 manifestations of God, but he can still be at the same time. It's not like the
151:06 be at the same time. It's not like the modalist modalism where we see that or
151:09 modalist modalism where we see that or you're the father or you're the son. No,
151:11 you're the father or you're the son. No, God can be the father and the son at the
151:12 God can be the father and the son at the same time, but that still imply that
151:14 same time, but that still imply that he's one, not distinguishing them on on
151:16 he's one, not distinguishing them on on person.
151:17 person. >> So in what sense is he with the father
151:22 >> So in what sense is he with the father if you think he is the father?
151:25 if you think he is the father? He's with the father because he he um is
151:28 He's with the father because he he um is God in general. Like the father is God.
151:30 God in general. Like the father is God. >> But how is he with father creator?
151:32 >> But how is he with father creator? >> If he is if he is the father then he's
151:34 >> If he is if he is the father then he's not with the father. He is just is the
151:36 not with the father. He is just is the father.
151:38 father. >> No. Yeah. Like he's with the father.
151:40 >> No. Yeah. Like he's with the father. He's it's an like the analogy that the
151:42 He's it's an like the analogy that the father is in heaven creator god. Then we
151:45 father is in heaven creator god. Then we have the son who's here. The god
151:47 have the son who's here. The god manifested in the flesh. And Jesus
151:49 manifested in the flesh. And Jesus >> hold up. But this is not talking about
151:51 >> hold up. But this is not talking about manifest in the flesh by the way. This
151:53 manifest in the flesh by the way. This is talking about him being with the
151:56 is talking about him being with the father in glory before the world
152:00 father in glory before the world existed. So this is prior to the
152:01 existed. So this is prior to the incarnation
152:08 >> and now yeah prior to inc incarnation. Yeah because still existed before before
152:11 Yeah because still existed before before the the birth of Jesus there was still
152:13 the the birth of Jesus there was still God. So and God being Jesus Christ manif
152:17 God. So and God being Jesus Christ manif manifest in the flesh he is still like
152:19 manifest in the flesh he is still like he had glory with the father. Has Jesus
152:21 he had glory with the father. Has Jesus always existed?
152:24 always existed? >> Well, yeah. Well, God has always
152:26 >> Well, yeah. Well, God has always existed.
152:27 existed. >> No, no, but I'm saying Jesus
152:29 >> No, no, but I'm saying Jesus specifically, has he always existed?
152:34 specifically, has he always existed? >> Well, back to the same thing. If if God
152:36 >> Well, back to the same thing. If if God if God in human form is Jesus, then
152:39 if God in human form is Jesus, then Jesus has always existed.
152:41 Jesus has always existed. >> Yeah. But this is talking about before
152:44 >> Yeah. But this is talking about before Jesus was born here on this earth, he
152:46 Jesus was born here on this earth, he was with the father.
152:49 was with the father. All right. Even before the entire
152:50 All right. Even before the entire universe existed at all.
152:53 universe existed at all. >> Yeah.
152:53 >> Yeah. >> And so we see that there are distinct
152:55 >> And so we see that there are distinct persons clearly in the godhead. If you
152:57 persons clearly in the godhead. If you think Jesus is the father, this makes no
153:00 think Jesus is the father, this makes no sense. I had manifested your name to the
153:03 sense. I had manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the
153:05 people whom you gave me out of the world. You gave me, meaning I'm not you.
153:09 world. You gave me, meaning I'm not you. Jesus and the father are not the same
153:11 Jesus and the father are not the same person. Yours they were, and you gave
153:14 person. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your
153:16 them to me, and they have kept your word. See that? Verse six. And so
153:19 word. See that? Verse six. And so therefore that's showing if the father
153:22 therefore that's showing if the father is giving something to the son then the
153:25 is giving something to the son then the father and the son are not the same
153:27 father and the son are not the same person.
153:33 >> All right. Um before I continue well I I don't know how much time we have. I I
153:35 don't know how much time we have. I I know it's not a lot but I'm saying
153:36 know it's not a lot but I'm saying >> so but I just do you see these verses
153:38 >> so but I just do you see these verses destroy your position. And that's why
153:39 destroy your position. And that's why I'm just say I'm hoping that you'll be
153:42 I'm just say I'm hoping that you'll be willing to believe scripture on this and
153:44 willing to believe scripture on this and say, "Yeah, okay. My church is wrong
153:45 say, "Yeah, okay. My church is wrong when they taught me that Jesus is the
153:47 when they taught me that Jesus is the father
153:49 father because of even just this." And there's
153:51 because of even just this." And there's more passages we can go to, but just
153:53 more passages we can go to, but just while I just want to show you these ones
153:56 while I just want to show you these ones to start off with and that should make
153:58 to start off with and that should make you hopefully change your mind and say,
154:00 you hopefully change your mind and say, "Okay, I'm going to believe what
154:01 "Okay, I'm going to believe what scripture says here."
154:03 scripture says here." >> Oh, yeah. right now. So to start like
154:07 >> Oh, yeah. right now. So to start like not over but just like resay everything.
154:09 not over but just like resay everything. I am here to like learn. The reason why
154:11 I am here to like learn. The reason why I'm like I decide to even enter this uh
154:14 I'm like I decide to even enter this uh chat was to like be able to see your
154:16 chat was to like be able to see your opinion on this and like what it shows.
154:18 opinion on this and like what it shows. I also said what I like what I've what I
154:20 I also said what I like what I've what I believe in and yeah you're like you're
154:22 believe in and yeah you're like you're you're proving your your points. I can
154:24 you're proving your your points. I can give that and yeah for for and for and
154:28 give that and yeah for for and for and now the father glorifies. So like the
154:30 now the father glorifies. So like the way I would see it in that consideration
154:32 way I would see it in that consideration in that verse as I already stated is
154:33 in that verse as I already stated is that since Jesus is God and God has been
154:36 that since Jesus is God and God has been for eternal. So I I already stated my
154:38 for eternal. So I I already stated my point I already I understand what this
154:39 point I already I understand what this is going to but yeah like the reason why
154:42 is going to but yeah like the reason why >> but is Jesus the father is Jesus the
154:44 >> but is Jesus the father is Jesus the father.
154:46 father. >> Well the father is specifically talking
154:48 >> Well the father is specifically talking about the one who created the one
154:50 about the one who created the one eternal the son is specifically the god
154:53 eternal the son is specifically the god manifesting in the flesh Christ Jesus.
154:55 manifesting in the flesh Christ Jesus. >> No well Jesus is referred to as eternal.
154:58 >> No well Jesus is referred to as eternal. He's referred to as the creator as well.
155:00 He's referred to as the creator as well. >> No. Yeah, because Yeah, because he's
155:02 >> No. Yeah, because Yeah, because he's God.
155:04 God. >> And so therefore, is Jesus and the
155:07 >> And so therefore, is Jesus and the father the same person?
155:10 father the same person? >> I wouldn't know how to Well, what's
155:12 >> I wouldn't know how to Well, what's persons? I'll start with Becky. Can you
155:14 persons? I'll start with Becky. Can you explain what's persons? Because I really
155:15 explain what's persons? Because I really do not understand what's persons.
155:18 do not understand what's persons. >> So, how the reason why we say the word
155:22 >> So, how the reason why we say the word persons is because the Bible is clear in
155:24 persons is because the Bible is clear in teaching there's only one God. So, we're
155:25 teaching there's only one God. So, we're not polytheists. We are monotheists. We
155:28 not polytheists. We are monotheists. We believe in one God. But then we we read
155:31 believe in one God. But then we we read all these different passages in
155:32 all these different passages in scripture that speak about the father
155:34 scripture that speak about the father being God. Like even John 17:3
155:38 being God. Like even John 17:3 and this is eternal life that they may
155:40 and this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God. And that's
155:44 know you, the only true God. And that's is talking about the father here. Um we
155:46 is talking about the father here. Um we then see the son as being talked about
155:49 then see the son as being talked about as God as well. You got like Romans 9:5,
155:54 as God as well. You got like Romans 9:5, the Christ who is God over all bless
155:57 the Christ who is God over all bless forever. Amen. And then you got a
156:00 forever. Amen. And then you got a passage in let's say Acts 5 which talks
156:02 passage in let's say Acts 5 which talks about the Holy Spirit being God. You've
156:05 about the Holy Spirit being God. You've not lied to man but to God with Ananas
156:07 not lied to man but to God with Ananas and Safh because you lied by lying to
156:11 and Safh because you lied by lying to the Holy Spirit. So equating the Holy
156:13 the Holy Spirit. So equating the Holy Spirit then as God. So we have all these
156:17 Spirit then as God. So we have all these different passages that talk about the
156:18 different passages that talk about the father being God, the son being God, the
156:20 father being God, the son being God, the holy spirit being God. And yet
156:23 holy spirit being God. And yet u what what oneness or modalists will do
156:25 u what what oneness or modalists will do is they'll say okay that must be that
156:27 is they'll say okay that must be that God is sometimes he's the father,
156:29 God is sometimes he's the father, sometimes he turns into the the
156:31 sometimes he turns into the the manifestation of the son and sometimes
156:32 manifestation of the son and sometimes he's the manifestation of the spirit.
156:35 he's the manifestation of the spirit. And that doesn't make sense with the
156:37 And that doesn't make sense with the fact of we see the father and son
156:39 fact of we see the father and son coexisting
156:41 coexisting in glory even before the world began.
156:43 in glory even before the world began. John 17. So that destroys this
156:44 John 17. So that destroys this unmodalistic idea
156:47 unmodalistic idea that God is those three distinct
156:49 that God is those three distinct persons.
156:51 persons. And so maybe a person I'll help help you
156:53 And so maybe a person I'll help help you define it this way. A person is who you
156:55 define it this way. A person is who you are.
156:56 are. Your being is what you are. So what I am
157:00 Your being is what you are. So what I am is I'm a human being. That's what I am.
157:04 is I'm a human being. That's what I am. >> Okay.
157:04 >> Okay. >> But who am I? Who am I? Well, that my
157:06 >> But who am I? Who am I? Well, that my name's Ryan. That's who I am. Ryan is
157:09 name's Ryan. That's who I am. Ryan is who I am. But what I am is I guess what
157:12 who I am. But what I am is I guess what my substance is. Oh, you're human being.
157:15 my substance is. Oh, you're human being. That's your substance. And so we see
157:17 That's your substance. And so we see that God is one in being. He's one what?
157:21 that God is one in being. He's one what? But he's three who's.
157:23 But he's three who's. >> Yeah.
157:24 >> Yeah. >> Who is So who is Jesus? He's a son of
157:27 >> Who is So who is Jesus? He's a son of God. What is Jesus? He's God.
157:31 God. What is Jesus? He's God. >> Oh, okay. Okay. So like persons is in
157:34 >> Oh, okay. Okay. So like persons is in referring to so just to get this
157:37 referring to so just to get this straight being is what what you are
157:42 straight being is what what you are right
157:43 right >> y
157:43 >> y >> and persons is
157:46 >> and persons is >> who you are.
157:46 >> who you are. >> Repeat that one again please.
157:48 >> Repeat that one again please. >> And persons are who you are?
157:50 >> And persons are who you are? >> Wouldn't persons even of who you are
157:52 >> Wouldn't persons even of who you are wouldn't that make the a distinction in
157:55 wouldn't that make the a distinction in the sense of like the tritheism if
157:59 the sense of like the tritheism if that's a name? Like wouldn't that make
158:00 that's a name? Like wouldn't that make the division
158:01 the division >> tritheism is the idea there's three
158:02 >> tritheism is the idea there's three gods. So that would be to say there's
158:04 gods. So that would be to say there's three beings. We don't think there are
158:06 three beings. We don't think there are three beings. We see we see that father,
158:09 three beings. We see we see that father, son, holy spirit are the one being same
158:13 son, holy spirit are the one being same substance
158:15 substance >> but they are still three who's because
158:18 >> but they are still three who's because we see communication. Jesus talking to
158:21 we see communication. Jesus talking to his father, the father speaking back to
158:22 his father, the father speaking back to his son. Clearly he's not he's not
158:24 his son. Clearly he's not he's not talking about himself. He's not praying
158:26 talking about himself. He's not praying to himself even.
158:28 to himself even. >> Right. Yeah,
158:30 >> Right. Yeah, >> even Jesus saying I'm going to send the
158:31 >> even Jesus saying I'm going to send the spirit.
158:32 spirit. >> It's clearly the spirit is not Jesus
158:34 >> It's clearly the spirit is not Jesus then.
158:37 then. >> Oh, okay. So, in that area you would say
158:38 >> Oh, okay. So, in that area you would say that.
158:40 that. >> So, person and being, that's the
158:42 >> So, person and being, that's the difference. That's what makes the the
158:44 difference. That's what makes the the three persons one God. So, God is the
158:46 three persons one God. So, God is the being, three persons is the distinction.
158:48 being, three persons is the distinction. Yeah. Because before I would even want
158:50 Yeah. Because before I would even want to make a claim, I started realizing
158:51 to make a claim, I started realizing that I would like the reason why I'm
158:53 that I would like the reason why I'm even here is I actually want to know
158:54 even here is I actually want to know like what different people I guess
158:57 like what different people I guess believe in. And that what's a trinity
158:59 believe in. And that what's a trinity like? Yeah. Like I didn't come here to
159:02 like? Yeah. Like I didn't come here to >> before starting I wouldn't I didn't come
159:03 >> before starting I wouldn't I didn't come here to debate. I came here to learn.
159:06 here to debate. I came here to learn. >> I didn't come here to become like a fool
159:08 >> I didn't come here to become like a fool in the internet and saying oh like this
159:10 in the internet and saying oh like this guy in the internet debate that went
159:11 guy in the internet debate that went against me god.net and God this and that
159:14 against me god.net and God this and that and this happened and this. No, I'm I'm
159:16 and this happened and this. No, I'm I'm here to learn. I'm here to like know
159:18 here to learn. I'm here to like know what you believe in. And that's and
159:20 what you believe in. And that's and that's a fair point.
159:20 that's a fair point. >> Yeah. And what what's going I've shown
159:23 >> Yeah. And what what's going I've shown you some passages already and there's
159:25 you some passages already and there's more I could show you. But in what I've
159:27 more I could show you. But in what I've shown you is that sufficient for you to
159:28 shown you is that sufficient for you to believe then okay it makes sense that
159:30 believe then okay it makes sense that Jesus is not the father and that that
159:34 Jesus is not the father and that that father son holy spirit not three
159:35 father son holy spirit not three manifestations of god which take
159:37 manifestations of god which take different appearances at different times
159:39 different appearances at different times but simultaneously
159:42 but simultaneously god is those three distinct persons
159:43 god is those three distinct persons father son and spirit
159:45 father son and spirit >> I would say I would have to like know a
159:48 >> I would say I would have to like know a little a little more about
159:50 little a little more about >> like in what sense though what would you
159:53 >> like in what sense though what would you >> I won't give you a
159:54 >> I won't give you a >> what would convince you though Well,
159:56 >> what would convince you though Well, when you say learn a little bit more,
159:57 when you say learn a little bit more, learn a bit more about what if if
159:59 learn a bit more about what if if already the passages have shown you like
160:02 already the passages have shown you like show this point. Wouldn't it be
160:04 show this point. Wouldn't it be sufficient already to believe it?
160:07 sufficient already to believe it? >> As as I state, I would need to know more
160:09 >> As as I state, I would need to know more about what is what is what more about
160:11 about what is what is what more about the person's God, more about the Bible
160:14 the person's God, more about the Bible in that area because I I still like in
160:16 in that area because I I still like in that area, I would still see the oneness
160:17 that area, I would still see the oneness of God in a proper not that far back
160:21 of God in a proper not that far back view. It wouldn't go that far back.
160:24 view. It wouldn't go that far back. Maybe I'll ask you this question as
160:26 Maybe I'll ask you this question as well. Who is the God of Jesus Christ?
160:34 >> God. Wait, so I I don't I don't understand the question.
160:35 understand the question. >> On the oneness view, it's impossible for
160:38 >> On the oneness view, it's impossible for Jesus Christ to have a god,
160:45 >> right? Because they think that on the oneness view, it's impossible for Jesus
160:47 oneness view, it's impossible for Jesus Christ to
160:49 Christ to um have a god.
160:52 um have a god. >> Well, Jesus
160:54 >> Well, Jesus They're equating they always equate
160:55 They're equating they always equate Jesus with the father. They say the
160:56 Jesus with the father. They say the father is Jesus. Jesus the father.
160:59 father is Jesus. Jesus the father. >> But there are numerous passages where
161:00 >> But there are numerous passages where Jesus and other parts of the of the New
161:02 Jesus and other parts of the of the New Testament describe
161:04 Testament describe Jesus has a god and it's the father.
161:07 Jesus has a god and it's the father. >> Have a look.
161:09 >> Have a look. >> Do do not do not cling to me for I have
161:11 >> Do do not do not cling to me for I have not yet ascended to the father. But go
161:13 not yet ascended to the father. But go to my brothers and say to them I am
161:14 to my brothers and say to them I am ascending to my father and your father
161:17 ascending to my father and your father to my god and your god. The oneness view
161:21 to my god and your god. The oneness view can't fit that with their theology. They
161:23 can't fit that with their theology. They can they say no the father Jesus cannot
161:25 can they say no the father Jesus cannot have a god of himself. But Jesus says
161:28 have a god of himself. But Jesus says yes he has a god of himself. It's the
161:30 yes he has a god of himself. It's the father.
161:32 father. >> Well the thing about it is that yeah so
161:33 >> Well the thing about it is that yeah so the Jews have one god. They believe in
161:35 the Jews have one god. They believe in in their one god. I I would say well if
161:38 in their one god. I I would say well if in scripture he's known as the lord like
161:41 in scripture he's known as the lord like I'll capitalize there's one there's one
161:42 I'll capitalize there's one there's one god the Jews worship. Jesus being born
161:45 god the Jews worship. Jesus being born as a Jew. He worshiped that one god.
161:48 as a Jew. He worshiped that one god. Jesus is God, but he's still referring
161:50 Jesus is God, but he's still referring to, okay, that God that you serve is the
161:52 to, okay, that God that you serve is the same one I serve. So that would still
161:54 same one I serve. So that would still make sense even in the manifestation
161:56 make sense even in the manifestation area because if God manifest in the
161:58 area because if God manifest in the flesh, he's still a human being. He
162:00 flesh, he's still a human being. He still goes to arrest.
162:01 still goes to arrest. >> It it doesn't No, that doesn't make
162:03 >> It it doesn't No, that doesn't make sense though. Um, so this is even after
162:09 sense though. Um, so this is even after even after Jesus is gone, he's left
162:11 even after Jesus is gone, he's left here. We see, you know, Paul saying, we
162:13 here. We see, you know, Paul saying, we always thank God, the father of our Lord
162:16 always thank God, the father of our Lord Jesus Christ. And another passage says
162:18 Jesus Christ. And another passage says the god of our lord Jesus Christ. But if
162:21 the god of our lord Jesus Christ. But if Jesus is the father on the oneness view,
162:24 Jesus is the father on the oneness view, how could the father or how could how
162:29 how could the father or how could how could he say the god of our lord Jesus
162:31 could he say the god of our lord Jesus Christ or the father of our lord Jesus
162:32 Christ or the father of our lord Jesus Christ if they are the same uh person?
162:36 Christ if they are the same uh person? And
162:38 And if you mention you mentioned Yahweh
162:39 if you mention you mentioned Yahweh before, but we see Yahweh
162:42 before, but we see Yahweh can if we look at Revelation for
162:43 can if we look at Revelation for example, Yahweh is equated Jesus equated
162:46 example, Yahweh is equated Jesus equated with being Yahweh,
162:48 with being Yahweh, right? If you
162:51 right? If you I I think all the passages of scripture
162:53 I I think all the passages of scripture are best explained by the trinity and
162:55 are best explained by the trinity and yeah definitely encourage you look
162:56 yeah definitely encourage you look further into this because this is a key
162:58 further into this because this is a key issue. We you don't want to get this
163:00 issue. We you don't want to get this issue wrong. It is important one. But I
163:02 issue wrong. It is important one. But I think with oneness, it's not only that
163:04 think with oneness, it's not only that their denial of the Trinity, which I
163:06 their denial of the Trinity, which I would say is a major issue. I think it's
163:07 would say is a major issue. I think it's also their insistence on requiring
163:09 also their insistence on requiring baptism and speaking in tongues to be
163:11 baptism and speaking in tongues to be saved.
163:14 saved. >> No. Yeah. For for the moment, it was
163:15 >> No. Yeah. For for the moment, it was just more about the the oneness. I did
163:17 just more about the the oneness. I did want to learn a little bit of like your
163:19 want to learn a little bit of like your stance on it, especially because I
163:21 stance on it, especially because I barely I barely subscribed yesterday.
163:23 barely I barely subscribed yesterday. Literally yesterday. So, I've never
163:25 Literally yesterday. So, I've never really watch.
163:26 really watch. >> So, I want to ask you though, I want to
163:27 >> So, I want to ask you though, I want to ask you though, so why do you think God
163:29 ask you though, so why do you think God let you into heaven? because this is
163:30 let you into heaven? because this is going to be the key thing because the
163:31 going to be the key thing because the trinity is important. I agree. But how
163:34 trinity is important. I agree. But how what you're relying upon to get you to
163:35 what you're relying upon to get you to heaven is even like equally as important
163:38 heaven is even like equally as important if not more. Like so it's very important
163:39 if not more. Like so it's very important to talk about this subject. So
163:41 to talk about this subject. So >> why do you think you'll go to heaven?
163:43 >> why do you think you'll go to heaven? >> I'll say this that
163:47 >> I'll say this that I
163:52 so on the thing of heaven. Yes, I do believe in heaven and hell.
163:54 believe in heaven and hell. I believe that
163:57 I believe that I deserve hell. That we all deserve
164:00 I deserve hell. That we all deserve hell. We've all done horrible. We've
164:02 hell. We've all done horrible. We've Well, people can say, "Oh, like, oh, I
164:04 Well, people can say, "Oh, like, oh, I didn't do this. I didn't do that." No,
164:05 didn't do this. I didn't do that." No, but we all did bad things. We've all
164:07 but we all did bad things. We've all done many. None of us is perfect except
164:09 done many. None of us is perfect except God.
164:11 God. The reason why I was someone would ask
164:13 The reason why I was someone would ask me, "Oh, why why would you go to
164:15 me, "Oh, why why would you go to heaven?" Is because the sacrifice that
164:17 heaven?" Is because the sacrifice that Jesus did to me for me in that cross.
164:21 Jesus did to me for me in that cross. >> Yep. But that's not
164:24 >> Yep. But that's not but it's the important question is how
164:26 but it's the important question is how do you receive that forgiveness because
164:28 do you receive that forgiveness because yeah even uh like a Roman Catholic will
164:31 yeah even uh like a Roman Catholic will agree the sacrifice of Jesus is is is an
164:35 agree the sacrifice of Jesus is is is an important thing of saving them but they
164:37 important thing of saving them but they won't think it's sufficient or they'll
164:39 won't think it's sufficient or they'll think that the means by obtaining that
164:41 think that the means by obtaining that is not just through faith alone. So I'm
164:43 is not just through faith alone. So I'm curious what do you think is the means
164:45 curious what do you think is the means of obtaining the grace of salvation?
164:51 >> The grace of salvation. So, in scripture, we see I'm going to say I
164:55 scripture, we see I'm going to say I don't really have like all the the
164:57 don't really have like all the the points in my head right now. Like I
164:58 points in my head right now. Like I don't even have a a notebook in front of
165:00 don't even have a a notebook in front of me. Like I'm I'm just right now uh well
165:03 me. Like I'm I'm just right now uh well listening to your life. But I will say
165:05 listening to your life. But I will say that's like so scripture says you're
165:06 that's like so scripture says you're saved grace through faith.
165:09 saved grace through faith. >> Okay.
165:09 >> Okay. >> What a grace is a undeserved undeserved
165:13 >> What a grace is a undeserved undeserved gift. Like none of us deserve that gift.
165:14 gift. Like none of us deserve that gift. >> So is is faith enough? Is faith is is
165:17 >> So is is faith enough? Is faith is is that the only means like we just if you
165:19 that the only means like we just if you have faith are you saved?
165:23 have faith are you saved? So in this one I am going to say that
165:26 So in this one I am going to say that faith
165:27 faith and and it's not may you won't you may
165:30 and and it's not may you won't you may probably will not agree with me and many
165:31 probably will not agree with me and many people like have different views on this
165:33 people like have different views on this one like people some many people say uh
165:36 one like people some many people say uh baptism is for salvation some people say
165:38 baptism is for salvation some people say it's it's faith only what I see is that
165:41 it's it's faith only what I see is that well faith is going to cause you to get
165:44 well faith is going to cause you to get baptized faith is going to cause you to
165:46 baptized faith is going to cause you to do good things but the thing that's
165:48 do good things but the thing that's causing that is your faith like in
165:49 causing that is your faith like in general you can get baptized but if you
165:51 general you can get baptized but if you don't have faith And you're not that
165:54 don't have faith And you're not that doesn't really like
165:55 doesn't really like >> sure faith faith will lead you to give
165:56 >> sure faith faith will lead you to give to the poor. All right. Faith will lead
165:58 to the poor. All right. Faith will lead you to share the gospel. So
166:01 you to share the gospel. So >> like the spirit.
166:04 >> like the spirit. >> So then faith leads to the good work of
166:06 >> So then faith leads to the good work of baptism. Faith leads to the good work of
166:08 baptism. Faith leads to the good work of sharing the gospel. But is baptism and
166:11 sharing the gospel. But is baptism and sharing the gospel or even speaking in
166:14 sharing the gospel or even speaking in tongues are those requirements to be
166:17 tongues are those requirements to be saved?
166:22 So how would I explain?
166:25 how would I explain? So me personally I would say so an
166:27 So me personally I would say so an example if we look at a very known verse
166:29 example if we look at a very known verse like uh Acts 2:38
166:32 like uh Acts 2:38 uh Peter said repent be baptized in the
166:34 uh Peter said repent be baptized in the name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins
166:35 name of Jesus for forgiveness of sins and you and you receive the gift of Holy
166:38 and you and you receive the gift of Holy Ghost. I know we see other passages like
166:39 Ghost. I know we see other passages like John speaking to uh Nicodemus where he
166:43 John speaking to uh Nicodemus where he said
166:43 said >> yeah it's not about baptism there water
166:46 >> yeah it's not about baptism there water is not baptism. Yeah. John 3:16. Yeah.
166:49 is not baptism. Yeah. John 3:16. Yeah. It's just about believing in him.
166:51 It's just about believing in him. >> God so loved the world that he gave his
166:53 >> God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so whoever believes
166:54 only begotten son, so whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
166:55 in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Then in the same the
166:58 everlasting life. Then in the same the same passage, it also says that uh well
167:02 same passage, it also says that uh well when Jesus speaking Nicodemus like
167:03 when Jesus speaking Nicodemus like unless you're born from water and from
167:05 unless you're born from water and from spirit, you will not enter the kingdom
167:06 spirit, you will not enter the kingdom of God.
167:07 of God. >> And that's not water baptism. That's not
167:08 >> And that's not water baptism. That's not water baptism.
167:11 water baptism. >> But wouldn't that still be water?
167:13 >> But wouldn't that still be water? >> No. Born of water does not mention water
167:16 >> No. Born of water does not mention water baptism. So born of water, there's two
167:18 baptism. So born of water, there's two interpretations. Either it's the
167:19 interpretations. Either it's the sprinkling of water um meaning
167:22 sprinkling of water um meaning forgiveness of sins. Ezekiel 36 that God
167:25 forgiveness of sins. Ezekiel 36 that God sprinkles us with water by the hearing
167:27 sprinkles us with water by the hearing of the word and regeneration that
167:29 of the word and regeneration that happens by the spirit. So not water
167:31 happens by the spirit. So not water baptism or it's referring to natural
167:34 baptism or it's referring to natural birth and your um spiritual birth which
167:37 birth and your um spiritual birth which is what the next verse seems to
167:38 is what the next verse seems to indicate. So either one either way you
167:41 indicate. So either one either way you can interpret it. Neither of those
167:42 can interpret it. Neither of those interpretations
167:44 interpretations u would imply that's water baptism.
167:45 u would imply that's water baptism. Nothing in the context is about water
167:47 Nothing in the context is about water baptism. Christian baptism wouldn't be
167:49 baptism. Christian baptism wouldn't be instituted until Matthew 28:19 and 20
167:51 instituted until Matthew 28:19 and 20 with the great commission
167:53 with the great commission >> because
167:53 >> because >> John's baptism is not the equivalent of
167:55 >> John's baptism is not the equivalent of Christian baptism.
167:56 Christian baptism. >> Because of the great commission, what
167:58 >> Because of the great commission, what would you say? Why would there be
168:00 would you say? Why would there be baptism if it weren't for salvation?
168:04 baptism if it weren't for salvation? >> Same reason why in the great commission
168:05 >> Same reason why in the great commission he says teaching them to observe
168:07 he says teaching them to observe everything that I commanded you. That's
168:09 everything that I commanded you. That's a good thing, but it's not required for
168:11 a good thing, but it's not required for salvation to observe everything you ever
168:13 salvation to observe everything you ever commanded. He commanded us to be
168:15 commanded. He commanded us to be perfect. He commanded us to do all the
168:16 perfect. He commanded us to do all the amazing all these good things. But it's
168:18 amazing all these good things. But it's if you make those good actions the
168:21 if you make those good actions the requirement for salvation, you're trying
168:22 requirement for salvation, you're trying to be saved by your works and you won't
168:24 to be saved by your works and you won't be saved. And so baptism since that's
168:26 be saved. And so baptism since that's also a good work, if you think it's
168:28 also a good work, if you think it's going to save you, you're relying on
168:30 going to save you, you're relying on your works and not on Jesus to save you.
168:34 your works and not on Jesus to save you. >> Okay, that's do you agree that God can
168:36 >> Okay, that's do you agree that God can give a you agree that God can give a
168:37 give a you agree that God can give a command and it not be a requirement for
168:40 command and it not be a requirement for salvation?
168:44 What? >> Do you agree that God can give you a
168:46 >> Do you agree that God can give you a command, but that command not be a
168:49 command, but that command not be a requirement for salvation?
168:52 requirement for salvation? >> Yeah.
168:53 >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
168:53 >> Yeah. >> Yeah.
168:54 >> Yeah. >> And that's what baptism is. Baptism is
168:56 >> And that's what baptism is. Baptism is never tied in with how you get made
168:58 never tied in with how you get made right before God.
169:00 right before God. >> But to that would come the question, why
169:03 >> But to that would come the question, why why would Peter say uh be baptized for
169:06 why would Peter say uh be baptized for the forgiveness of sins?
169:08 the forgiveness of sins? >> Well, because the word for doesn't have
169:09 >> Well, because the word for doesn't have to mean to get. The word for can mean
169:12 to mean to get. The word for can mean because of like if I say you to you take
169:15 because of like if I say you to you take two aspirin for your headache. What am I
169:18 two aspirin for your headache. What am I saying to you?
169:26 >> Uh take two aspirin for the headache. >> So I've already got So the word for
169:28 >> So I've already got So the word for means what? To get a headache or because
169:30 means what? To get a headache or because you've already got one.
169:32 you've already got one. >> Because you already got one in that
169:34 >> Because you already got one in that example. Yeah, it would be because you
169:35 example. Yeah, it would be because you already got one.
169:36 already got one. >> And that's what Peter's talking about.
169:38 >> And that's what Peter's talking about. Acts 2:38. that people have already been
169:40 Acts 2:38. that people have already been cut to the heart. They've already come
169:41 cut to the heart. They've already come to faith in what Peter's saying. And so
169:43 to faith in what Peter's saying. And so therefore, they're like, "What now? What
169:44 therefore, they're like, "What now? What now do we do, Peter?" And so, repent, be
169:47 now do we do, Peter?" And so, repent, be baptized for in a sense of because of
169:50 baptized for in a sense of because of your forgiveness of your sins.
169:54 your forgiveness of your sins. >> Okay. Okay. That's that's a Okay. That
169:56 >> Okay. Okay. That's that's a Okay. That that mean the view that you gave is I've
169:58 that mean the view that you gave is I've actually never heard that one. That's
170:00 actually never heard that one. That's that's a good that's good to know. Like,
170:01 that's a good that's good to know. Like, okay. The four example, the the one you
170:03 okay. The four example, the the one you just gave of the I forgot the medicine,
170:05 just gave of the I forgot the medicine, but like for the for the headache. Okay.
170:08 but like for the for the headache. Okay. >> Yeah. Yeah.
170:08 >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Then to that another I would the last
170:10 >> Then to that another I would the last the last thing I would like to point out
170:11 the last thing I would like to point out about baptism it would be why why in the
170:15 about baptism it would be why why in the Bible it's always why do they do that
170:18 Bible it's always why do they do that exact for the yeah we have a 3,000 of
170:21 exact for the yeah we have a 3,000 of Pentecost like that get baptized we see
170:23 Pentecost like that get baptized we see the
170:24 the >> we see many other people in scripture
170:25 >> we see many other people in scripture getting baptized
170:27 getting baptized why even if Jesus commanded it I would
170:30 why even if Jesus commanded it I would still say like why what would be the
170:32 still say like why what would be the point of it if it weren't for salvation
170:35 point of it if it weren't for salvation it's a it's a genuine genuine question
170:36 it's a it's a genuine genuine question it's not like a oh like Yeah, this is
170:38 it's not like a oh like Yeah, this is good question.
170:41 good question. >> Yeah, because the Lord can give commands
170:43 >> Yeah, because the Lord can give commands to Christians without them being a
170:44 to Christians without them being a requirement for salvation.
170:46 requirement for salvation. And so, baptism is a very humbling act.
170:50 And so, baptism is a very humbling act. You have to get wet. And it's a great
170:53 You have to get wet. And it's a great way of declaring your faith to other
170:55 way of declaring your faith to other people. It's a way of symbolizing that
170:58 people. It's a way of symbolizing that you've died to your old self and you're
171:00 you've died to your old self and you're alive in Christ.
171:02 alive in Christ. And so, it's not what saves you. And
171:07 And so, it's not what saves you. And it's something that we ought to do. Just
171:08 it's something that we ought to do. Just like going to church regularly is what
171:11 like going to church regularly is what we're commanded to do. But if someone
171:13 we're commanded to do. But if someone makes going to church every week a
171:15 makes going to church every week a requirement for entry to heaven, then
171:18 requirement for entry to heaven, then they're basing their salvation on their
171:20 they're basing their salvation on their church attendance,
171:22 church attendance, on their works, and therefore that would
171:24 on their works, and therefore that would be a denial of the gospel of grace.
171:28 be a denial of the gospel of grace. And so
171:30 And so >> denying salvation
171:32 >> denying salvation >> like there's a difference between saves
171:35 >> like there's a difference between saves and denying baptism uh makes you not
171:39 and denying baptism uh makes you not saved. Like if you if you were to be not
171:41 saved. Like if you if you were to be not you but like if someone were to say I'm
171:43 you but like if someone were to say I'm saved through faith and they were to say
171:45 saved through faith and they were to say oh like do you want to be baptized as
171:46 oh like do you want to be baptized as Jesus commanded and he said no I don't I
171:48 Jesus commanded and he said no I don't I don't need it. I don't need baptism.
171:50 don't need it. I don't need baptism. Would that be denying salvation?
171:53 Would that be denying salvation? >> No it wouldn't. It would be a sin to not
171:55 >> No it wouldn't. It would be a sin to not do what God wants you to do, but it's
171:57 do what God wants you to do, but it's not denying salvation because salvation
171:58 not denying salvation because salvation is not based on our obedience. It's not
172:00 is not based on our obedience. It's not based on our works. Similar to how God
172:03 based on our works. Similar to how God commands all Christians to go and share
172:05 commands all Christians to go and share the gospel
172:07 the gospel and yet many Christians don't share the
172:10 and yet many Christians don't share the gospel. Does that mean they're denying
172:12 gospel. Does that mean they're denying salvation because they don't do that
172:14 salvation because they don't do that particular command of God?
172:17 particular command of God? >> Oh, okay. Okay. Now, now I I see I see
172:19 >> Oh, okay. Okay. Now, now I I see I see what you mean.
172:21 what you mean. >> Yeah. You see, if we we can't we
172:24 >> Yeah. You see, if we we can't we shouldn't think that that command is
172:25 shouldn't think that that command is more important than the share in the
172:26 more important than the share in the gospel command or it's more important
172:28 gospel command or it's more important than giving to the poor. Now, these are
172:32 than giving to the poor. Now, these are all very important commands and we
172:33 all very important commands and we should do all of them. But don't make
172:36 should do all of them. But don't make any of them a prerequisite to gain
172:38 any of them a prerequisite to gain salvation.
172:41 salvation. Right? So, it's something we ought to
172:42 Right? So, it's something we ought to do, just not a requirement. And so, if
172:44 do, just not a requirement. And so, if someone thinks it is a requirement,
172:47 someone thinks it is a requirement, they're not trusting in Jesus to save
172:48 they're not trusting in Jesus to save them. And therefore, they won't be
172:50 them. And therefore, they won't be saved. they'll miss out on heaven.
172:53 saved. they'll miss out on heaven. So, I want to ask you then, if you have
172:55 So, I want to ask you then, if you have your trust in Jesus today, but let's say
172:58 your trust in Jesus today, but let's say you're in the middle of doing a sin
173:00 you're in the middle of doing a sin tomorrow and then you died, would you go
173:02 tomorrow and then you died, would you go to heaven or hell?
173:09 >> Well, the thing about it is that Jesus already
173:13 the thing about it is that Jesus already Well, I would go
173:19 Yeah, I would go, well, yeah, Jesus died for my sins of tomorrow. Jesus died like
173:21 for my sins of tomorrow. Jesus died like when I accepted Jesus Christ. He's the
173:23 when I accepted Jesus Christ. He's the one that like he died for now sins,
173:26 one that like he died for now sins, present sins, and after sins. And you
173:28 present sins, and after sins. And you actually about that is it because like I
173:30 actually about that is it because like I said, it's not exactly like oh me me
173:32 said, it's not exactly like oh me me fighting you. No, I like something that
173:34 fighting you. No, I like something that you said because you said something
173:37 you said because you said something about that. You said why would Well,
173:40 about that. You said why would Well, obviously the question is different, but
173:41 obviously the question is different, but you said uh do you want to keep doing
173:44 you said uh do you want to keep doing what caused Jesus' death?
173:47 what caused Jesus' death? >> Exactly. And that yeah, I even wrote
173:49 >> Exactly. And that yeah, I even wrote that down. That's that's the only thing.
173:50 that down. That's that's the only thing. I had a little piece of paper and I
173:52 I had a little piece of paper and I wrote that down and that like that part
173:54 wrote that down and that like that part just stayed to me when you ask me that
173:55 just stayed to me when you ask me that question right now. Well, yeah. Like
173:56 question right now. Well, yeah. Like Jesus died for my
173:59 Jesus died for my >> sorry future sins, now sins, like past
174:01 >> sorry future sins, now sins, like past sins. Like Jesus died for my sins. Like
174:03 sins. Like Jesus died for my sins. Like that's and me accepting him as my Lord
174:05 that's and me accepting him as my Lord and Savior is like that's like me
174:07 and Savior is like that's like me believing that he's in control, not me.
174:11 believing that he's in control, not me. >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that
174:14 >> Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. That's that recognition of what Jesus has done for
174:16 recognition of what Jesus has done for us and faith in him leads us to want to
174:19 us and faith in him leads us to want to obey him because we love him. We've been
174:21 obey him because we love him. We've been forgiven so much and therefore that
174:23 forgiven so much and therefore that makes us want to love God so much and
174:25 makes us want to love God so much and therefore walk in obedience to him
174:28 therefore walk in obedience to him >> and yeah like
174:29 >> and yeah like >> and so that's
174:33 >> excuse me >> sorry so what were we saying? Oh, sorry.
174:36 >> sorry so what were we saying? Oh, sorry. Sorry for sorry to interrupt you
174:38 Sorry for sorry to interrupt you actually like more than once I've
174:40 actually like more than once I've interrupted you but that it's like faith
174:43 interrupted you but that it's like faith grace uh through faith like it's not
174:45 grace uh through faith like it's not about like works like there's nothing
174:47 about like works like there's nothing there's no real work. We know a person
174:49 there's no real work. We know a person could live a exactly perfect life. Well,
174:51 could live a exactly perfect life. Well, no one's perfect but you get what I mean
174:53 no one's perfect but you get what I mean like a perfect life and we know where
174:54 like a perfect life and we know where he's going to end up. It's like you have
174:56 he's going to end up. It's like you have the the thing that's saved is like Jesus
174:58 the the thing that's saved is like Jesus Christ. Nothing that you can personally
174:59 Christ. Nothing that you can personally do. It's not like a a good person
175:02 do. It's not like a a good person doesn't doesn't mean okay that's like
175:05 doesn't doesn't mean okay that's like that's heaven. No, you're being good
175:07 that's heaven. No, you're being good because of what Jesus did for you on
175:09 because of what Jesus did for you on that cross.
175:10 that cross. >> He he's the one that trans.
175:12 >> He he's the one that trans. >> Exactly. Right. And that's and that's
175:13 >> Exactly. Right. And that's and that's the same thing with baptism then, isn't
175:15 the same thing with baptism then, isn't it?
175:18 it? >> Well, yeah. It's like the after the
175:19 >> Well, yeah. It's like the after the after like what you're going to do. Oh,
175:21 after like what you're going to do. Oh, I'm
175:21 I'm >> We do it as a result. We do it as a
175:24 >> We do it as a result. We do it as a result. Exactly. We don't do it as the
175:25 result. Exactly. We don't do it as the means. And this is the issue is that
175:27 means. And this is the issue is that your church though says it's a
175:29 your church though says it's a requirement to be saved.
175:32 requirement to be saved. So that would actually make your church
175:34 So that would actually make your church preach a false gospel.
175:36 preach a false gospel. >> And that's another reason why I'd
175:37 >> And that's another reason why I'd encourage you to find a different
175:38 encourage you to find a different church.
175:40 church. >> I would say that well to like the whole
175:43 >> I would say that well to like the whole the whole uh thank you that to explain
175:45 the whole uh thank you that to explain not only the oneness of God but explain
175:47 not only the oneness of God but explain your views about salvation because I
175:49 your views about salvation because I actually didn't well I had I had an idea
175:51 actually didn't well I had I had an idea but I really didn't have an idea like
175:53 but I really didn't have an idea like I've never heard you speak. I've seen
175:55 I've never heard you speak. I've seen you in some shorts, but I have never
175:56 you in some shorts, but I have never heard you speak, especially one one one
175:59 heard you speak, especially one one one like even more like you being able to
176:01 like even more like you being able to listen to what I'm asking or or saying.
176:04 listen to what I'm asking or or saying. Hope I wasn't hope I didn't like
176:06 Hope I wasn't hope I didn't like disrespect you in any way possible. I I
176:08 disrespect you in any way possible. I I wanted to try
176:10 wanted to try >> No, that's fine. That's fine. But can I
176:11 >> No, that's fine. That's fine. But can I ask you this? I just want to make make
176:12 ask you this? I just want to make make sure we you understand this point. So,
176:14 sure we you understand this point. So, if somebody says, "I think I'm going to
176:17 if somebody says, "I think I'm going to heaven because of two reasons. Firstly,
176:19 heaven because of two reasons. Firstly, because Jesus died for me. And secondly,
176:21 because Jesus died for me. And secondly, because I got baptized." Would that
176:24 because I got baptized." Would that person go to heaven or hell?
176:30 >> Well, I would I would say he would still go to heaven because it's not that he's
176:32 go to heaven because it's not that he's depending on baptism, but he depend he's
176:34 depending on baptism, but he depend he's depending on it because of the fact like
176:36 depending on it because of the fact like the the fact of him mentioning oh
176:39 the the fact of him mentioning oh because I have faith in Jesus because he
176:41 because I have faith in Jesus because he died for me and he commanded me to get
176:43 died for me and he commanded me to get baptized so I'm going to get baptized.
176:44 baptized so I'm going to get baptized. So the thing about that
176:45 So the thing about that >> no what was in in my in my example what
176:48 >> no what was in in my in my example what were the two things he was depending
176:50 were the two things he was depending upon to get him into heaven
176:52 upon to get him into heaven >> ba? Well, uh Christ's uh death and
176:56 >> ba? Well, uh Christ's uh death and baptism.
176:57 baptism. >> Okay. So, he is depending one of the
177:00 >> Okay. So, he is depending one of the things is baptism to get him into
177:02 things is baptism to get him into heaven. So, therefore, is he depending
177:04 heaven. So, therefore, is he depending 100% on Jesus or any 50%.
177:08 100% on Jesus or any 50%. >> No, I could still say he's depending
177:09 >> No, I could still say he's depending 100% on Jesus.
177:11 100% on Jesus. >> No. If if he on his view, if he didn't
177:14 >> No. If if he on his view, if he didn't get baptized, he would have gone to
177:15 get baptized, he would have gone to hell. So therefore,
177:18 hell. So therefore, he's not depending 100% on Jesus. He's
177:20 he's not depending 100% on Jesus. He's depending 50% on his baptism as the
177:27 depending 50% on his baptism as the the the thing is the reason why he's
177:29 the the thing is the reason why he's going to heaven as opposed to the hell
177:30 going to heaven as opposed to the hell that he should have gone to. So it is
177:32 that he should have gone to. So it is depending upon baptism,
177:35 depending upon baptism, right? Or maybe I'll change the example
177:36 right? Or maybe I'll change the example to make it clearer. If someone says,
177:39 to make it clearer. If someone says, "I'm going to heaven because of Jesus,
177:42 "I'm going to heaven because of Jesus, because of Jesus, and because I've given
177:45 because of Jesus, and because I've given this amount of money to the poor, and
177:47 this amount of money to the poor, and those are the two reasons why God let me
177:49 those are the two reasons why God let me into heaven."
177:50 into heaven." >> Now, is that person depending 100% on
177:53 >> Now, is that person depending 100% on Jesus to get them to heaven or not?
177:59 >> No. >> No.
178:00 >> No. >> And that's the same thing with baptism.
178:02 >> And that's the same thing with baptism. Just just take the example of giving to
178:04 Just just take the example of giving to the poor and put smash baptism in there.
178:06 the poor and put smash baptism in there. same problem.
178:08 same problem. >> So you would say that baptism is like
178:11 >> So you would say that baptism is like there's a there's nothing to respond.
178:13 there's a there's nothing to respond. It's just a So you would say baptism is
178:15 It's just a So you would say baptism is a work.
178:17 a work. >> Of course it is. Yeah. Just works are
178:19 >> Of course it is. Yeah. Just works are any sort of external action that's
178:21 any sort of external action that's happening. And since that's an external
178:23 happening. And since that's an external hap action that's happening, the Bible
178:25 hap action that's happening, the Bible says we're not saved by works. We're
178:27 says we're not saved by works. We're saved by by grace through faith, not of
178:30 saved by by grace through faith, not of works. Ephesians 2:8-9.
178:34 works. Ephesians 2:8-9. >> Okay. that okay that that makes that
178:37 >> Okay. that okay that that makes that makes sense like what you're saying you
178:39 makes sense like what you're saying you you said your points yeah like so
178:41 you said your points yeah like so >> so so do you agree then if someone
178:43 >> so so do you agree then if someone thinks it's those two things faith and
178:45 thinks it's those two things faith and baptism do you agree that they go to
178:46 baptism do you agree that they go to hell then
178:55 >> but so like wouldn't the analogy of if Christ knows your your future sins
178:58 Christ knows your your future sins wouldn't that still apply to that
179:00 wouldn't that still apply to that >> no because Christ only paid for the sins
179:03 >> no because Christ only paid for the sins >> good question that's a good question
179:04 >> good question that's a good question Christ only paid for the sins of those
179:06 Christ only paid for the sins of those who would have their trust in Jesus
179:08 who would have their trust in Jesus alone to save, not in trusting in
179:12 alone to save, not in trusting in anything else. So, he didn't pay for
179:13 anything else. So, he didn't pay for everyone's sins. Most people still go to
179:15 everyone's sins. Most people still go to hell. But for those who depend only on
179:19 hell. But for those who depend only on what Jesus did to save, he pays for
179:20 what Jesus did to save, he pays for their sins. They go to heaven. But for
179:22 their sins. They go to heaven. But for those who think it's Jesus plus baptism
179:25 those who think it's Jesus plus baptism or Jesus plus circumcision,
179:28 or Jesus plus circumcision, Galatians 5:2, Paul says, "Christ will
179:31 Galatians 5:2, Paul says, "Christ will be of no advantage to you." I'll show
179:33 be of no advantage to you." I'll show you the verse.
179:35 you the verse. Paul says, "Look, I Paul say to you that
179:37 Paul says, "Look, I Paul say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will
179:40 if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. You are
179:43 be of no advantage to you. You are severed from Christ."
179:45 severed from Christ." Why? And what are they doing now? These
179:47 Why? And what are they doing now? These guys are not rejecting faith in Jesus.
179:49 guys are not rejecting faith in Jesus. They're saying, "Yes, have some faith in
179:50 They're saying, "Yes, have some faith in Jesus, but also you need to get
179:52 Jesus, but also you need to get circumcised, too." So, it's Jesus plus.
179:55 circumcised, too." So, it's Jesus plus. And what's the result? Christ doesn't
179:57 And what's the result? Christ doesn't save you. You end up in hell. And that's
180:00 save you. You end up in hell. And that's the same thing if you accept giving to
180:02 the same thing if you accept giving to the poor as a requirement. It's not
180:03 the poor as a requirement. It's not Christ alone, it's Christ plus. If you
180:05 Christ alone, it's Christ plus. If you accept baptism as a extra requirement to
180:07 accept baptism as a extra requirement to be saved, it's not Christ alone, it's
180:09 be saved, it's not Christ alone, it's Christ plus. And therefore has the same
180:11 Christ plus. And therefore has the same result of Christ being of no advantage
180:13 result of Christ being of no advantage to you.
180:26 >> So I feel like for myself, and I'm really glad that you're here, man. I
180:27 really glad that you're here, man. I really am glad that you're here. I see I
180:30 really am glad that you're here. I see I see this as
180:32 see this as >> snatching
180:33 >> snatching >> Yeah.
180:33 >> Yeah. >> you from out of the fire. That's what I
180:35 >> you from out of the fire. That's what I see.
180:35 see. >> I can see it. It's
180:37 >> I can see it. It's >> look.
180:46 >> So, there might be a lag with your connection because there's a big delay.
180:53 >> So, are you are you can you hear me? Is your how's your connection at the
180:54 your how's your connection at the moment?
180:55 moment? >> The not yet. Well, I will have to look
180:59 >> The not yet. Well, I will have to look at
181:01 at Yeah, I I could see the verse that I
181:04 Yeah, I I could see the verse that I heard everything you said
181:06 heard everything you said the last part.
181:10 the last part. >> Yeah. Uh
181:11 >> Yeah. Uh >> so yeah, it's cutting it is cutting in
181:13 >> so yeah, it's cutting it is cutting in and out a little bit here.
181:15 and out a little bit here. >> Not sure if you can fix your connection
181:17 >> Not sure if you can fix your connection >> um
181:19 >> um >> a bit. Not sure if there's an option. I
181:21 >> a bit. Not sure if there's an option. I can hear you at the moment. Yeah, it is.
181:23 can hear you at the moment. Yeah, it is. It's going in and out. But
181:24 It's going in and out. But >> yeah, my your connection is connection
181:28 >> yeah, my your connection is connection was bad, but I heard everything. Hello.
181:30 was bad, but I heard everything. Hello. Testing.
181:32 Testing. >> Yeah, I can hear you.
181:35 >> Yeah, I can hear you. >> Testing. One, two, three.
181:36 >> Testing. One, two, three. >> Can you hear me?
181:37 >> Can you hear me? >> Yeah, I think I think there's like a 20
181:39 >> Yeah, I think I think there's like a 20 second delay at the moment. So maybe if
181:41 second delay at the moment. So maybe if you want to could you rejoin? Maybe
181:44 you want to could you rejoin? Maybe manual if you can rejoin maybe we could
181:46 manual if you can rejoin maybe we could finish it off.
181:47 finish it off. >> Um, but I think you got a lag a 20
181:49 >> Um, but I think you got a lag a 20 second delay at the moment.
181:52 second delay at the moment. So, I'll just take you down and we'll
181:54 So, I'll just take you down and we'll get you to rejoin. That might be
181:56 get you to rejoin. That might be helpful. I just want to while he's
181:57 helpful. I just want to while he's coming back, I want to answer this
181:59 coming back, I want to answer this question from John. Um, so going to
182:02 question from John. Um, so going to church is optional, not to be saved.
182:06 church is optional, not to be saved. It says, "Do not forsake the assembling
182:08 It says, "Do not forsake the assembling of the saints in Hebrews 10:25." So
182:11 of the saints in Hebrews 10:25." So therefore, that's a command of God to
182:13 therefore, that's a command of God to regularly gather with God's people, but
182:16 regularly gather with God's people, but not as the way to be saved. There are
182:18 not as the way to be saved. There are many things that God commands us to do.
182:21 many things that God commands us to do. doesn't make them optional.
182:23 doesn't make them optional. They're still commands. Like sharing the
182:25 They're still commands. Like sharing the gospel is not optional. It is a command.
182:29 gospel is not optional. It is a command. Go make disciples of all nations. This
182:31 Go make disciples of all nations. This is a command. So therefore, that doesn't
182:33 is a command. So therefore, that doesn't it's not optional. It's it's what God
182:36 it's not optional. It's it's what God wants, but just not a requirement for
182:39 wants, but just not a requirement for heaven.
182:40 heaven. So not a requirement for heaven doesn't
182:44 So not a requirement for heaven doesn't make it that God doesn't care. Of
182:46 make it that God doesn't care. Of course, God cares. God cares what we do.
182:50 course, God cares. God cares what we do. Just don't make it a requirement for
182:51 Just don't make it a requirement for salvation.
182:54 salvation. All right, let's see if um Manuel's has
182:56 All right, let's see if um Manuel's has has I'm sure have have you rejoined
182:58 has I'm sure have have you rejoined Emanuel? We'll see how it goes. How you
183:00 Emanuel? We'll see how it goes. How you going
183:03 going Manuel?
183:05 Manuel? Now it looks like
183:08 Now it looks like he might be joy rejoining now and then
183:10 he might be joy rejoining now and then we'll bring up the next person. So,
183:12 we'll bring up the next person. So, appreciate that super chat, John.
183:13 appreciate that super chat, John. Hopefully that helped clarify like
183:16 Hopefully that helped clarify like because sometimes people think, oh, we
183:17 because sometimes people think, oh, we think that good work's not important. We
183:19 think that good work's not important. We think they're very important. You'll see
183:20 think they're very important. You'll see us encourage people to do good works all
183:22 us encourage people to do good works all the time on our stream. Just don't make
183:24 the time on our stream. Just don't make it what saves you. Don't make it the
183:26 it what saves you. Don't make it the basis of acceptance. But let's pray for
183:28 basis of acceptance. But let's pray for Manuel. Heavenly Father, thank you so
183:30 Manuel. Heavenly Father, thank you so much for the good chat with Manuel. Do
183:32 much for the good chat with Manuel. Do pray that you would give him great
183:34 pray that you would give him great insight into scripture to see that he
183:37 insight into scripture to see that he should rest in Jesus and he should
183:39 should rest in Jesus and he should actually affirm the Trinity, no longer
183:40 actually affirm the Trinity, no longer reject it. May you then cause him to
183:43 reject it. May you then cause him to leave his wonders Pentecostal church to
183:45 leave his wonders Pentecostal church to find a church that does preach the true
183:47 find a church that does preach the true gospel that doesn't require speaking in
183:50 gospel that doesn't require speaking in tongues to be saved or baptism and one
183:53 tongues to be saved or baptism and one that affirms that you Lord you father
183:57 that affirms that you Lord you father are
183:58 are um as your scripture says that God is
184:00 um as your scripture says that God is one in being but three in persons. In
184:02 one in being but three in persons. In Jesus name we pray. Amen. All right.
184:05 Jesus name we pray. Amen. All right. Appreciate the chat there. Let's bring
184:07 Appreciate the chat there. Let's bring up Looks like he hasn't come back. We'll
184:08 up Looks like he hasn't come back. We'll bring up Logan who's next. Welcome,
184:11 bring up Logan who's next. Welcome, Logan.
184:12 Logan. >> Hey, can you hear me? How you doing?
184:14 >> Hey, can you hear me? How you doing? >> Good, man. Great. Yeah. How what do you
184:16 >> Good, man. Great. Yeah. How what do you want to ask him about today?
184:18 want to ask him about today? >> Um, well, first off, just want to say
184:19 >> Um, well, first off, just want to say thank you for what you do. Um, while
184:22 thank you for what you do. Um, while while obviously I don't agree on
184:24 while obviously I don't agree on everything, I appreciate I've watched a
184:25 everything, I appreciate I've watched a lot of your debates with Catholics and
184:26 lot of your debates with Catholics and so forth. So, I just wanted to start off
184:27 so forth. So, I just wanted to start off by saying that. Appreciate it. So,
184:29 by saying that. Appreciate it. So, >> thank you for encouraging to God be the
184:31 >> thank you for encouraging to God be the glory.
184:31 glory. >> Yeah. Um, so just a little bit brief, I
184:34 >> Yeah. Um, so just a little bit brief, I think this will kind of help me frame my
184:36 think this will kind of help me frame my question, I guess, better would be, um,
184:38 question, I guess, better would be, um, so I I tend to align myself more of like
184:40 so I I tend to align myself more of like the Anglican Christian movement. Um, so
184:43 the Anglican Christian movement. Um, so I, um, I've listened to a lot of your
184:45 I, um, I've listened to a lot of your conversations with Catholics and then
184:47 conversations with Catholics and then obviously the gentleman before me and
184:49 obviously the gentleman before me and some others on the idea of uh, baptism
184:52 some others on the idea of uh, baptism and the sacraments in general. Um so
184:54 and the sacraments in general. Um so really I guess um I'd like to have you
184:56 really I guess um I'd like to have you know I pose it as a question but I guess
184:58 know I pose it as a question but I guess if we have opportunity for discussion
185:00 if we have opportunity for discussion that'd be great too about um you know
185:04 that'd be great too about um you know take the the concept of baptismal
185:07 take the the concept of baptismal regeneration or the idea that it is
185:09 regeneration or the idea that it is ordinarily
185:10 ordinarily um necessary for salvation. I think you
185:13 um necessary for salvation. I think you know Lutheran believe that um Anglicans
185:16 know Lutheran believe that um Anglicans typically believe that and some other
185:18 typically believe that and some other groups that are would identify
185:19 groups that are would identify themselves as Protestant and still
185:20 themselves as Protestant and still believe in the idea of being justified
185:23 believe in the idea of being justified by faith alone. Um do you believe that
185:26 by faith alone. Um do you believe that those groups um are obviously in danger
185:29 those groups um are obviously in danger of hell or in danger of you know however
185:32 of hell or in danger of you know however you want to phrase that based on their
185:34 you want to phrase that based on their their acceptance of the idea of
185:36 their acceptance of the idea of justification by faith alone but still
185:38 justification by faith alone but still believing that baptism is not a human
185:40 believing that baptism is not a human work. God's work of the means by which
185:42 work. God's work of the means by which he gives that mercy and grace to
185:44 he gives that mercy and grace to someone.
185:45 someone. >> Okay, that's a good question. Maybe I'll
185:47 >> Okay, that's a good question. Maybe I'll ask you this question. It might help
185:49 ask you this question. It might help clarity give clarity on this. If
185:51 clarity give clarity on this. If somebody says,
185:54 somebody says, I'm justified by faith alone, but I
185:57 I'm justified by faith alone, but I think you have to share the gospel five
185:59 think you have to share the gospel five times in your life to go to heaven,
186:00 times in your life to go to heaven, otherwise you're going to hell. If
186:02 otherwise you're going to hell. If someone said that, are they really
186:04 someone said that, are they really believing in justification by faith
186:06 believing in justification by faith alone?
186:08 alone? Um, I think it depends how you phrase
186:11 Um, I think it depends how you phrase it. Um, I think if if they mean that and
186:14 it. Um, I think if if they mean that and I think you would probably agree with
186:15 I think you would probably agree with this in the sense of like that is the
186:17 this in the sense of like that is the natural outflowing of what it means to
186:19 natural outflowing of what it means to be a Christian that you would see some
186:20 be a Christian that you would see some degree of that fruit. I mean obviously
186:22 degree of that fruit. I mean obviously saying specifically five times is a
186:24 saying specifically five times is a different story. But I saying that that
186:26 different story. But I saying that that is the natural outflowing of fruit of
186:28 is the natural outflowing of fruit of someone's life as a Christian is one
186:29 someone's life as a Christian is one thing. If they're saying that you have
186:31 thing. If they're saying that you have to do that to specifically somehow earn
186:33 to do that to specifically somehow earn salvation or become justified, I think
186:36 salvation or become justified, I think >> they're simply saying it's the ordinary
186:38 >> they're simply saying it's the ordinary means the ordinary means of
186:40 means the ordinary means of justification of or of uh being right
186:43 justification of or of uh being right before God is that you need to share the
186:47 before God is that you need to share the gospel five times.
186:49 gospel five times. So not just like oh obviously I would
186:52 So not just like oh obviously I would say that fruit good works are fruit of
186:54 say that fruit good works are fruit of salvation
186:56 salvation but this person is saying it's
186:57 but this person is saying it's ordinarily necessary for you to go to
187:00 ordinarily necessary for you to go to heaven you need to do this. So then
187:03 heaven you need to do this. So then would that be them really holding on to
187:05 would that be them really holding on to justification by faith alone?
187:08 justification by faith alone? >> Um no and the reason is is because I
187:11 >> Um no and the reason is is because I think the idea of sharing uh sharing the
187:15 think the idea of sharing uh sharing the gospel as good as it is is a good work.
187:17 gospel as good as it is is a good work. And I guess that's where Anglicans and
187:19 And I guess that's where Anglicans and like Lutheran people who would hold the
187:21 like Lutheran people who would hold the you know baptism being salvific would
187:23 you know baptism being salvific would not see baptism as a human work or like
187:26 not see baptism as a human work or like ask you why is why is sharing the gospel
187:28 ask you why is why is sharing the gospel a good work?
187:31 a good work? >> Um why is sharing the gospel good? Well
187:33 >> Um why is sharing the gospel good? Well sharing the gospel is a good work
187:35 sharing the gospel is a good work because it's something that we do out of
187:38 because it's something that we do out of our I mean yes God's grace guides us
187:40 our I mean yes God's grace guides us through it but it's something we do on
187:41 through it but it's something we do on our on our own effort um our own
187:44 our on our own effort um our own capabilities. we go out. It's it's
187:46 capabilities. we go out. It's it's actual like command of a work in
187:48 actual like command of a work in scripture and I think it's described as
187:50 scripture and I think it's described as such. I guess um if I may say briefly
187:53 such. I guess um if I may say briefly like the difference between baptism for
187:54 like the difference between baptism for me is baptism
187:57 me is baptism is always talked about under the
187:58 is always talked about under the category of promise or of grace in
188:01 category of promise or of grace in scripture. I don't see it as a human
188:02 scripture. I don't see it as a human work. I see it as an idea that this is
188:05 work. I see it as an idea that this is how God offers what Christ did on the
188:08 how God offers what Christ did on the cross ultimately for us. I mean that's
188:09 cross ultimately for us. I mean that's the only means by which we're saved. I
188:11 the only means by which we're saved. I think we both can say that obviously is
188:13 think we both can say that obviously is that the only means by which we're saved
188:14 that the only means by which we're saved is what Christ on the cross. But that's
188:16 is what Christ on the cross. But that's the means by which he offers the
188:18 the means by which he offers the instrumental means to us the salvation
188:20 instrumental means to us the salvation that Christ on the cross for us.
188:22 that Christ on the cross for us. >> I I disagree with that. He doesn't. The
188:23 >> I I disagree with that. He doesn't. The instrumental means is clearly faith. If
188:25 instrumental means is clearly faith. If you look at Ephesians 2:8 and 9, but
188:27 you look at Ephesians 2:8 and 9, but let's just focus on why you think
188:29 let's just focus on why you think sharing the gospels will work. You said
188:31 sharing the gospels will work. You said because you go out, it's a command. You
188:34 because you go out, it's a command. You go out, you go and do this. Well, it's
188:36 go out, you go and do this. Well, it's the same thing. Baptism is given as a
188:38 the same thing. Baptism is given as a command in in Acts 22. And we see that
188:41 command in in Acts 22. And we see that people go to the church, they
188:44 people go to the church, they participate in this external ceremony.
188:47 participate in this external ceremony. And so therefore, it's clearly a work.
188:51 And so therefore, it's clearly a work. The same reason why you think sharing
188:53 The same reason why you think sharing the gospel is a work, or even just
188:55 the gospel is a work, or even just attending church, which I think we' both
188:57 attending church, which I think we' both agree is a work. Um, therefore, baptism
189:01 agree is a work. Um, therefore, baptism is a work. In fact,
189:04 is a work. In fact, we see that God will reward people for
189:07 we see that God will reward people for their works.
189:09 their works. And it and it doesn't have to be some
189:11 And it and it doesn't have to be some massive elaborate thing. It can just be
189:14 massive elaborate thing. It can just be the most simple thing ever. You give a
189:17 the most simple thing ever. You give a cup of cold water to someone. Clearly,
189:19 cup of cold water to someone. Clearly, that's a work. Any external action is a
189:23 that's a work. Any external action is a work. As opposed to something internal
189:25 work. As opposed to something internal that's happening in the heart, like
189:26 that's happening in the heart, like faith, which is just internal in the
189:28 faith, which is just internal in the heart.
189:30 heart. So, I just don't if if you'd condemn
189:33 So, I just don't if if you'd condemn that idea of having to share the gospel
189:35 that idea of having to share the gospel five times to go to heaven as works
189:36 five times to go to heaven as works based salvation
189:39 based salvation or even have to get circumcised,
189:41 or even have to get circumcised, participate in the ritual of
189:42 participate in the ritual of circumcision to go to heaven and that's
189:45 circumcision to go to heaven and that's works based salvation,
189:47 works based salvation, then having to participate in the ritual
189:49 then having to participate in the ritual of baptism to go to heaven would equally
189:51 of baptism to go to heaven would equally be works based salvation. Do you see
189:54 be works based salvation. Do you see that?
189:54 that? >> Uh, I see I see what you're saying. I
189:56 >> Uh, I see I see what you're saying. I think I do think there's a little of a a
189:59 think I do think there's a little of a a disconnect in certain areas, I guess,
190:00 disconnect in certain areas, I guess, because so I guess I would frame it like
190:02 because so I guess I would frame it like this. I mean, if if I took that logic to
190:04 this. I mean, if if I took that logic to its conclusion, any physical action
190:07 its conclusion, any physical action whatsoever, including even the a
190:09 whatsoever, including even the a confession of faith, is then going to be
190:12 confession of faith, is then going to be seen as some type of human work. And I I
190:15 seen as some type of human work. And I I don't think that's the case.
190:16 don't think that's the case. >> If I go if I go and publicly proclaim
190:18 >> If I go if I go and publicly proclaim Jesus is Lord, I scream that out loud to
190:20 Jesus is Lord, I scream that out loud to the neighborhood or something like that.
190:22 the neighborhood or something like that. That's my work. I did a work of
190:25 That's my work. I did a work of preaching Jesus at that moment in time.
190:27 preaching Jesus at that moment in time. So I don't think I'm saved by saying
190:28 So I don't think I'm saved by saying that out loud to people.
190:31 that out loud to people. >> But what happened in the heart? Why did
190:33 >> But what happened in the heart? Why did I exclaim in my heart? I have trust in
190:35 I exclaim in my heart? I have trust in Christ. So I'm already justified the
190:36 Christ. So I'm already justified the moment I have a trust in Christ. And
190:38 moment I have a trust in Christ. And therefore it results in people wanting
190:40 therefore it results in people wanting to get baptized and proclaim him Lord
190:42 to get baptized and proclaim him Lord and go share the gospel with people. But
190:44 and go share the gospel with people. But don't make those things that result as
190:47 don't make those things that result as the basis of your acceptance before God.
190:51 the basis of your acceptance before God. >> Yeah. Well, and and again, I guess the
190:53 >> Yeah. Well, and and again, I guess the disconnect is because I don't see
190:55 disconnect is because I don't see baptism as something separate from the
190:58 baptism as something separate from the work of what Christ did on the cross.
191:00 work of what Christ did on the cross. The same way I don't see faith being the
191:02 The same way I don't see faith being the application by which we receive Christ
191:05 application by which we receive Christ um work on the cross as something
191:07 um work on the cross as something separate than what Christ did on the
191:08 separate than what Christ did on the cross. It's just the means by which
191:09 cross. It's just the means by which that's received. And the means by which
191:11 that's received. And the means by which God applies the gift of faith is baptism
191:14 God applies the gift of faith is baptism to the individual. That's a means in
191:16 to the individual. That's a means in which God works to do that. It's not
191:18 which God works to do that. It's not like it's a law requirement.
191:19 like it's a law requirement. >> Faith comes by hearing, right? Faith
191:21 >> Faith comes by hearing, right? Faith comes by hearing and the means by which
191:23 comes by hearing and the means by which we receive the grace of salvation
191:25 we receive the grace of salvation according to Paul here is through faith.
191:28 according to Paul here is through faith. Correct.
191:29 Correct. >> Yes. I I agree with faith alone. Yeah.
191:31 >> Yes. I I agree with faith alone. Yeah. Absolutely.
191:32 Absolutely. >> So then if it's faith, can someone have
191:34 >> So then if it's faith, can someone have faith without baptism?
191:37 faith without baptism? >> Yes. Um yeah. I mean
191:39 >> Yes. Um yeah. I mean >> so therefore
191:41 >> so therefore >> So therefore faith is the means of
191:43 >> So therefore faith is the means of receiving salvation, not baptism. You
191:45 receiving salvation, not baptism. You can't equate the truth. You can't say
191:46 can't equate the truth. You can't say you hold to faith alone if you add an
191:48 you hold to faith alone if you add an extra requirement on faith plus going to
191:50 extra requirement on faith plus going to church or faith plus getting baptized or
191:53 church or faith plus getting baptized or faith plus whatever it is giving to the
191:55 faith plus whatever it is giving to the poor. It's not faith alone if you add
191:57 poor. It's not faith alone if you add something else on.
191:58 something else on. >> Um can I if I can ask a followup to
192:01 >> Um can I if I can ask a followup to that? Um, so I think the reason I don't
192:04 that? Um, so I think the reason I don't think that logic holds, and by the way,
192:07 think that logic holds, and by the way, I'm not trying to just be in a debating
192:09 I'm not trying to just be in a debating mindset, by the way, but the reason I
192:11 mindset, by the way, but the reason I don't think that logic holds is um I
192:14 don't think that logic holds is um I think, you know, for example, preaching
192:15 think, you know, for example, preaching the gospel, like you just quoted in
192:17 the gospel, like you just quoted in Romans, is the means by which hearing
192:19 Romans, is the means by which hearing comes by, hearing is what generates
192:20 comes by, hearing is what generates faith, right? So um you know, I think
192:23 faith, right? So um you know, I think preaching the gospel is a physical
192:25 preaching the gospel is a physical action and by all means, like you said
192:26 action and by all means, like you said earlier, he's a good work. But both of
192:29 earlier, he's a good work. But both of us believe that at least ordinarily
192:31 us believe that at least ordinarily hearing and the preaching of the gospel
192:32 hearing and the preaching of the gospel is necessary for salvation. Not because
192:34 is necessary for salvation. Not because that earns something before God, but
192:36 that earns something before God, but because that's the means by which God
192:38 because that's the means by which God works to establish faith in the life of
192:40 works to establish faith in the life of someone. And I think baptism
192:42 someone. And I think baptism >> Okay.
192:43 >> Okay. >> Can I say sorry, can I say one more
192:44 >> Can I say sorry, can I say one more thing? Is that okay?
192:45 thing? Is that okay? >> Go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah.
192:46 >> Go for it. Yeah. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah. Go for it. Yeah.
192:46 Go for it. Yeah. >> Um last thing like for for example, just
192:49 >> Um last thing like for for example, just take like I'm not saying he's an
192:50 take like I'm not saying he's an authority on things, but Martin Luther
192:52 authority on things, but Martin Luther explains this for example that um
192:54 explains this for example that um baptism is water in the word. It's the
192:57 baptism is water in the word. It's the promise of God. the institution of
192:58 promise of God. the institution of Christ being delivered to us. And so
193:01 Christ being delivered to us. And so it's the word of God which has power to
193:02 it's the word of God which has power to save um being applied through Christ.
193:05 save um being applied through Christ. Baptism is just another means to which
193:06 Baptism is just another means to which the word of God is preached to us. And
193:08 the word of God is preached to us. And so I think that's kind of where the
193:10 so I think that's kind of where the disconnect is in my mind is baptism is
193:12 disconnect is in my mind is baptism is just another promise of God by which the
193:14 just another promise of God by which the word is preached to us and established
193:16 word is preached to us and established in our heart.
193:18 in our heart. >> But why does it have to be in baptism?
193:19 >> But why does it have to be in baptism? Because yeah, you could have a minister
193:21 Because yeah, you could have a minister say some words at baptism, but you could
193:23 say some words at baptism, but you could have that same minister say those same
193:25 have that same minister say those same words without you getting wet. that day.
193:29 words without you getting wet. that day. Right? So, I don't think that you say,
193:31 Right? So, I don't think that you say, "Oh, this word accomplished." Well, then
193:33 "Oh, this word accomplished." Well, then is the saving the fact saving method the
193:36 is the saving the fact saving method the fact that you got wet or the fact that
193:38 fact that you got wet or the fact that you heard the gospel that day and you
193:40 you heard the gospel that day and you actually came to believe it. Getting wet
193:42 actually came to believe it. Getting wet is not a requirement for salvation. The
193:44 is not a requirement for salvation. The Bible never gives it as a requirement
193:46 Bible never gives it as a requirement for salvation. And so, if someone can
193:48 for salvation. And so, if someone can have faith without baptism,
193:51 have faith without baptism, then therefore the means of receiving
193:54 then therefore the means of receiving the grace of salvation is faith. don't
193:56 the grace of salvation is faith. don't add extra things on. Because when the
194:00 add extra things on. Because when the when the Jews added extra things on in
194:01 when the Jews added extra things on in Galatians, Paul put that as a different
194:04 Galatians, Paul put that as a different gospel. They weren't denying faith in
194:06 gospel. They weren't denying faith in Jesus. They would affirm, "Oh yeah, we
194:08 Jesus. They would affirm, "Oh yeah, we got to have faith in Jesus." They're
194:09 got to have faith in Jesus." They're just saying something extra. And so
194:11 just saying something extra. And so then, aren't you doing the same thing by
194:13 then, aren't you doing the same thing by saying you've got to do something extra,
194:15 saying you've got to do something extra, get wet in order for you to go to
194:17 get wet in order for you to go to heaven? Do you see same issue?
194:20 heaven? Do you see same issue? >> I think I see what you're saying, but I
194:22 >> I think I see what you're saying, but I think that logic would apply to anyone.
194:24 think that logic would apply to anyone. Like I said, I think that would apply
194:26 Like I said, I think that would apply like you know it I think there's aspects
194:28 like you know it I think there's aspects of that loss that make sense, but I
194:29 of that loss that make sense, but I think there's other that doesn't. So I
194:31 think there's other that doesn't. So I don't So first off, I don't think
194:32 don't So first off, I don't think baptism saves you in the sense that
194:34 baptism saves you in the sense that because you got wet. I think what the
194:36 because you got wet. I think what the the driving force and and I kind of have
194:39 the driving force and and I kind of have a question that goes alongside this too
194:40 a question that goes alongside this too is I think we would both agree that you
194:44 is I think we would both agree that you know faith is a gift of God. Um you know
194:47 know faith is a gift of God. Um you know not getting into all the depths of how
194:49 not getting into all the depths of how that theology plays out but generally
194:50 that theology plays out but generally speaking faith is something that God
194:52 speaking faith is something that God gives to us. that the gift of God in our
194:54 gives to us. that the gift of God in our life. And um if that's the case, you
194:58 life. And um if that's the case, you know, just as if he does it through the
195:00 know, just as if he does it through the preaching of the gospel, I don't think
195:02 preaching of the gospel, I don't think the water is what saves you. I think
195:04 the water is what saves you. I think it's Christ's blood on the cross and his
195:05 it's Christ's blood on the cross and his atonement perfectly that saves you. But
195:08 atonement perfectly that saves you. But the way in which he brings that about in
195:10 the way in which he brings that about in someone's life is through the preaching
195:12 someone's life is through the preaching of the word, yes, but also through the
195:14 of the word, yes, but also through the sacrament. He strengthens that, confirms
195:16 sacrament. He strengthens that, confirms that, and brings it into someone's life
195:18 that, and brings it into someone's life through the sacraments because those are
195:19 through the sacraments because those are means by which he's ordained to do that.
195:22 means by which he's ordained to do that. It's not something we do as a human
195:23 It's not something we do as a human work. It's something he does to give
195:25 work. It's something he does to give that to us as a gift.
195:26 that to us as a gift. >> It doesn't seem to be that way in the
195:28 >> It doesn't seem to be that way in the Bible. It doesn't seem to be in the
195:29 Bible. It doesn't seem to be in the Bible that, okay, this guy's not saved
195:32 Bible that, okay, this guy's not saved until we get him get him into the water.
195:34 until we get him get him into the water. Baptize him. Because you're making it a
195:37 Baptize him. Because you're making it a necessary requirement for entry to
195:39 necessary requirement for entry to heaven. So then you're saying until
195:42 heaven. So then you're saying until they're in the water, they're not saved.
195:45 they're in the water, they're not saved. When if you look in the Bible, we see
195:47 When if you look in the Bible, we see Cornelius, he just literally was hearing
195:49 Cornelius, he just literally was hearing the word being preached by Paul by Peter
195:51 the word being preached by Paul by Peter in Acts 10 and he believed while Peter
195:54 in Acts 10 and he believed while Peter was still preaching and he's saved. He's
195:56 was still preaching and he's saved. He's speaking in tongues. So, we don't see it
195:58 speaking in tongues. So, we don't see it as being the necessary thing. We don't
196:00 as being the necessary thing. We don't we see baptism happening to those who
196:02 we see baptism happening to those who are believers. We don't see baptism
196:04 are believers. We don't see baptism happening to those who aren't as a means
196:06 happening to those who aren't as a means of getting them to become believers.
196:09 of getting them to become believers. That's how we see it in scripture.
196:11 That's how we see it in scripture. Well, and and just like to clarify
196:13 Well, and and just like to clarify because I I didn't do a good job of of
196:15 because I I didn't do a good job of of stating this. I um I don't believe
196:17 stating this. I um I don't believe baptism is a requirement and I think the
196:20 baptism is a requirement and I think the same sense that you're saying. Um I
196:22 same sense that you're saying. Um I think baptism is a ordinary
196:26 think baptism is a ordinary means by is the ordinary means by which
196:29 means by is the ordinary means by which regeneration takes place for someone.
196:32 regeneration takes place for someone. But I don't believe that it's absolutely
196:34 But I don't believe that it's absolutely necessary. I think um that you know it's
196:37 necessary. I think um that you know it's the ordinary means through which God
196:39 the ordinary means through which God decides to do that because I think
196:40 decides to do that because I think that's what the word says
196:41 that's what the word says >> to clarify just to clarify. So if if you
196:44 >> to clarify just to clarify. So if if you think baptism is the ordinary means of
196:46 think baptism is the ordinary means of regeneration why in the Bible does it is
196:49 regeneration why in the Bible does it is it always happening to those who are
196:51 it always happening to those who are already regenerated. It doesn't seem to
196:53 already regenerated. It doesn't seem to be the ordinary means. It seems to be
196:55 be the ordinary means. It seems to be these guys are regenerated even
196:56 these guys are regenerated even justified. They got faith in Christ and
196:58 justified. They got faith in Christ and then afterwards they're getting
196:59 then afterwards they're getting baptized. That seems how to be how it's
197:01 baptized. That seems how to be how it's used in scripture.
197:03 used in scripture. >> Yeah. I mean, so, and this may get into
197:05 >> Yeah. I mean, so, and this may get into a separate topic that we don't have to
197:07 a separate topic that we don't have to get into right now, but I mean,
197:08 get into right now, but I mean, obviously being in the Anglican
197:11 obviously being in the Anglican perspective, I'm going to argue infant
197:12 perspective, I'm going to argue infant baptism is an important aspect later
197:14 baptism is an important aspect later down the road. And I'm not sure your
197:16 down the road. And I'm not sure your thoughts on that. But beside that,
197:18 thoughts on that. But beside that, >> yeah, just how it's used in scripture
197:20 >> yeah, just how it's used in scripture though, we never see it as this
197:22 though, we never see it as this regenerates you and how it's it's always
197:25 regenerates you and how it's it's always applied to those who already have
197:27 applied to those who already have professed faith in Christ. So, they've
197:30 professed faith in Christ. So, they've already been regenerated. So, then
197:31 already been regenerated. So, then baptism is not regenerating them. Well,
197:34 baptism is not regenerating them. Well, so I I think in the book of I mean most
197:36 so I I think in the book of I mean most of what you're quoting is the book of
197:37 of what you're quoting is the book of acts obviously and in the book of acts I
197:39 acts obviously and in the book of acts I don't I don't disagree with you that
197:41 don't I don't disagree with you that people can and have been um regenerate
197:44 people can and have been um regenerate outside of baptism but the book of acts
197:47 outside of baptism but the book of acts is primarily a missionary context in
197:49 is primarily a missionary context in which um the church has barely even been
197:51 which um the church has barely even been established and al also primarily
197:54 established and al also primarily dealing with adult converts at the
197:56 dealing with adult converts at the moment of of things and so I think you
197:58 moment of of things and so I think you know the the issue of when you know what
198:01 know the the issue of when you know what does the issue is when you take the book
198:03 does the issue is when you take the book of Acts and see that and say yes. But
198:05 of Acts and see that and say yes. But when you get into other passages of
198:07 when you get into other passages of scripture, does it does it indicate that
198:09 scripture, does it does it indicate that baptism is salvificical or forgiveness
198:12 baptism is salvificical or forgiveness of sins regener and regenerative? And
198:13 of sins regener and regenerative? And that's where we're going to disagree
198:14 that's where we're going to disagree obviously on certain passages
198:16 obviously on certain passages >> and the and the pass text never it links
198:18 >> and the and the pass text never it links regeneration or justification with with
198:20 regeneration or justification with with water baptism never does. So I think we
198:24 water baptism never does. So I think we can only go based on scripture like I
198:26 can only go based on scripture like I hold on to scripture being my ultimate
198:27 hold on to scripture being my ultimate authority. And so therefore, if this is
198:29 authority. And so therefore, if this is how we see baptism applied in the book
198:31 how we see baptism applied in the book of acts, that speaks quite a lot then
198:34 of acts, that speaks quite a lot then about how it should be done in u regards
198:38 about how it should be done in u regards to today and what its purpose is. And
198:40 to today and what its purpose is. And then even when Jesus speaks about it, go
198:43 then even when Jesus speaks about it, go and make disciples of all nations,
198:44 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them. So clearly you're then
198:47 baptizing them. So clearly you're then baptizing disciples. You're not
198:50 baptizing disciples. You're not baptizing unbelievers.
198:52 baptizing unbelievers. So you they're a disciple then you go
198:54 So you they're a disciple then you go baptize them and you teach them
198:55 baptize them and you teach them everything that God commanded them. Uh
198:58 everything that God commanded them. Uh yeah. So I just think if the example of
199:00 yeah. So I just think if the example of circumcision, you need to get
199:03 circumcision, you need to get circumcised to be saved.
199:05 circumcised to be saved. Is that is that enough for someone to be
199:09 Is that is that enough for someone to be excluded from the kingdom if they think
199:10 excluded from the kingdom if they think you also need to have circumcision to be
199:12 you also need to have circumcision to be saved?
199:14 saved? >> So um
199:16 >> So um I want to give just a I'm I want to
199:17 I want to give just a I'm I want to answer that directly, but I also want to
199:18 answer that directly, but I also want to give a little bit of context very
199:20 give a little bit of context very briefly to help maybe understand where
199:21 briefly to help maybe understand where I'm coming from on that. um is
199:25 I'm coming from on that. um is if they believe that as to what like
199:27 if they believe that as to what like Galatians is referring to then obviously
199:29 Galatians is referring to then obviously Paul condemns them for that in Galatians
199:31 Paul condemns them for that in Galatians 1 and so forth. Um
199:33 1 and so forth. Um >> but why does he condemn them?
199:35 >> but why does he condemn them? >> So, right and that's what I was going to
199:36 >> So, right and that's what I was going to say. I think that the issue is I don't
199:38 say. I think that the issue is I don't believe the Jews had in their mind that
199:42 believe the Jews had in their mind that circumcision was a way of earning God's
199:43 circumcision was a way of earning God's salvation. I think the issue that Paul
199:46 salvation. I think the issue that Paul is addressing with them is um that they
199:49 is addressing with them is um that they believe that in order to be as a part of
199:51 believe that in order to be as a part of the uh um family of God or in order to
199:54 the uh um family of God or in order to be saved that you had to be essentially
199:57 be saved that you had to be essentially Jewish. And I think that's the grander
199:58 Jewish. And I think that's the grander issue that um Paul is dealing with. You
200:01 issue that um Paul is dealing with. You know, that falls more under the new
200:02 know, that falls more under the new perspective if you want to call it that
200:04 perspective if you want to call it that on Paul. But I do think um that's
200:06 on Paul. But I do think um that's >> it's not even about Jewishness. It's not
200:08 >> it's not even about Jewishness. It's not actually necessarily the Jew. It's
200:10 actually necessarily the Jew. It's circumcision is the key thing they're
200:11 circumcision is the key thing they're requiring. And that's why Paul says,
200:13 requiring. And that's why Paul says, look, if they they want to do this, they
200:15 look, if they they want to do this, they got to accept the entire thing, which
200:17 got to accept the entire thing, which shows that they weren't accepting the
200:18 shows that they weren't accepting the entire thing, but they were accepting
200:20 entire thing, but they were accepting the circumcision part of the Mosaic law.
200:23 the circumcision part of the Mosaic law. All right? So, but what is the reason
200:24 All right? So, but what is the reason why Paul says in Galatians 5:2 why these
200:28 why Paul says in Galatians 5:2 why these guys would not be saved who add
200:30 guys would not be saved who add circumcision on
200:34 circumcision on >> um sorry, can I leave me? I pulled up my
200:36 >> um sorry, can I leave me? I pulled up my Bible really quick here, too.
200:38 Bible really quick here, too. >> Yeah,
200:39 >> Yeah, >> it's hard for me to see.
200:40 >> it's hard for me to see. >> So, maybe verse four is
200:42 >> So, maybe verse four is So verse three and four is probably key.
200:44 So verse three and four is probably key. So he says, "If you accept circumcision,
200:46 So he says, "If you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I
200:48 Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who accepts
200:51 testify again to every man who accepts circumcision, he's obligated to keep the
200:53 circumcision, he's obligated to keep the whole law. You are severed from Christ.
200:55 whole law. You are severed from Christ. You who be justified by the law, you
200:57 You who be justified by the law, you have fallen away from
200:59 have fallen away from >> Yeah.
200:59 >> Yeah. >> grace.
201:01 >> grace. >> Yeah. And you're in you're in chapter
201:03 >> Yeah. And you're in you're in chapter five, right? Yeah.
201:05 five, right? Yeah. >> Mhm. Yeah. Um so again, I think it's the
201:08 >> Mhm. Yeah. Um so again, I think it's the same thing as Galatians 1. Obviously,
201:10 same thing as Galatians 1. Obviously, Paul calls it a false gospel if you are
201:13 Paul calls it a false gospel if you are seeking to uh preach a different gospel
201:15 seeking to uh preach a different gospel than we've talked about. And I do agree
201:17 than we've talked about. And I do agree that Galatians,
201:18 that Galatians, >> why is it a false why is it a false
201:19 >> why is it a false why is it a false gospel?
201:21 gospel? >> Uh well, they are adding circumcision,
201:23 >> Uh well, they are adding circumcision, but I think the reason I'm saying that
201:25 but I think the reason I'm saying that is different than you. So, um they're
201:27 is different than you. So, um they're adding circumcision as a requirement for
201:30 adding circumcision as a requirement for salvation, but they're adding
201:31 salvation, but they're adding circumcision as a requirement for
201:32 circumcision as a requirement for salvation, not because they believe
201:34 salvation, not because they believe circumcision earns them their place
201:36 circumcision earns them their place before God. And if anyone by the way
201:38 before God. And if anyone by the way believes in baptism being mean, but they
201:41 believes in baptism being mean, but they believe that earns their place before
201:42 believe that earns their place before God. They're also in the same area.
201:43 God. They're also in the same area. >> It's not about earning. They don't say
201:45 >> It's not about earning. They don't say that. They don't use the language
201:46 that. They don't use the language earning here. They just say that it's a
201:48 earning here. They just say that it's a requirement. They don't say it's
201:49 requirement. They don't say it's earning. So I think it's very clear that
201:52 earning. So I think it's very clear that it's just um the reason why they you're
201:56 it's just um the reason why they you're severed from Christ. You're cut off is
201:59 severed from Christ. You're cut off is because it makes you fall. It makes
202:02 because it makes you fall. It makes means that you're fallen away from
202:03 means that you're fallen away from grace. It's not a grace-based message.
202:06 grace. It's not a grace-based message. If you make obedience to any part of
202:10 If you make obedience to any part of God's law, whether it be Old or New
202:12 God's law, whether it be Old or New Testament as a requirement for
202:14 Testament as a requirement for salvation, it's not grace. And so, if
202:17 salvation, it's not grace. And so, if you add any obedience to God's even New
202:21 you add any obedience to God's even New Testament law as an extra requirement
202:22 Testament law as an extra requirement of, oh, I got baptized, I went to
202:24 of, oh, I got baptized, I went to church, I took part in this sacrament,
202:27 church, I took part in this sacrament, that's why one of the extra things I
202:29 that's why one of the extra things I needed to do to be saved. It's not
202:31 needed to do to be saved. It's not gracebased salvation. Do you see that?
202:34 gracebased salvation. Do you see that? >> Um
202:36 >> Um I I I if I were taking So I guess
202:39 I I I if I were taking So I guess there's a pres presumption I see in that
202:41 there's a pres presumption I see in that argument. So um and so what I'm saying
202:44 argument. So um and so what I'm saying is I think the presumption that argument
202:46 is I think the presumption that argument is that baptism would be classified as a
202:49 is that baptism would be classified as a human work like a human effort and not
202:51 human work like a human effort and not as an extension of God's grace. So
202:54 as an extension of God's grace. So >> and what about circumcision? They could
202:55 >> and what about circumcision? They could say the same thing. This circumcision is
202:57 say the same thing. This circumcision is an extension of God's grace and this is
202:59 an extension of God's grace and this is the means of regeneration. So that's
203:01 the means of regeneration. So that's using the same arguments you're trying
203:03 using the same arguments you're trying to use. Does that make it okay suddenly
203:05 to use. Does that make it okay suddenly to now require circumcision for
203:06 to now require circumcision for salvation?
203:08 salvation? >> Well, again, I think the reason that
203:10 >> Well, again, I think the reason that we're we both agree that circumcision is
203:12 we're we both agree that circumcision is not a requirement and that they were
203:14 not a requirement and that they were wrong to add it. But I think the reason
203:15 wrong to add it. But I think the reason why is where we're disagreeing. The
203:16 why is where we're disagreeing. The reason we're disagreeing is not because
203:19 reason we're disagreeing is not because they believed it earned them salvation.
203:21 they believed it earned them salvation. The issue is because they believed that
203:23 The issue is because they believed that it was necessary. circumcision being a
203:25 it was necessary. circumcision being a part of the Mosaic covenant or excuse me
203:27 part of the Mosaic covenant or excuse me the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenant was
203:29 the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenant was necessary. It was a necessary component
203:32 necessary. It was a necessary component because you had to be Jewish to be a
203:34 because you had to be Jewish to be a part of the member a member.
203:35 part of the member a member. >> Doesn't say that. Doesn't say that's not
203:36 >> Doesn't say that. Doesn't say that's not his argument here in Galatians. His
203:38 his argument here in Galatians. His argument is you fall from grace and
203:40 argument is you fall from grace and you're obligated to keep the whole law
203:42 you're obligated to keep the whole law if you accept any part of it. And so
203:44 if you accept any part of it. And so that would be the same thing. If you
203:46 that would be the same thing. If you make part of New Testament law a
203:48 make part of New Testament law a requirement for salvation, you now have
203:50 requirement for salvation, you now have to obey all of it. and you won't be able
203:52 to obey all of it. and you won't be able to obey all of the New Testament law.
203:54 to obey all of the New Testament law. And so therefore, this is the same
203:56 And so therefore, this is the same issue. It's it's just repackaged. Like
204:00 issue. It's it's just repackaged. Like the issue of adding something else extra
204:03 the issue of adding something else extra was dealt with in Galatians. And sadly,
204:06 was dealt with in Galatians. And sadly, what we see is it's just repackaged
204:08 what we see is it's just repackaged every generation where people saying,
204:10 every generation where people saying, "Oh, you got to add something extra on."
204:12 "Oh, you got to add something extra on." And yes, it's not a work. I'm just going
204:13 And yes, it's not a work. I'm just going to say it's not a work. Doesn't doesn't
204:15 to say it's not a work. Doesn't doesn't make it not a work. If someone says,
204:17 make it not a work. If someone says, "Giving to the poor is not a work. It's
204:18 "Giving to the poor is not a work. It's God's work. It's what God's doing
204:20 God's work. It's what God's doing through me, but you have to do it to be
204:22 through me, but you have to do it to be saved. That person is not saved. And
204:26 saved. That person is not saved. And this is the issue with your your
204:28 this is the issue with your your understanding is that if you make
204:29 understanding is that if you make baptism as I need to do this to be
204:33 baptism as I need to do this to be saved, otherwise I'm going to hell,
204:35 saved, otherwise I'm going to hell, you're then depending on that to save
204:37 you're then depending on that to save you. And you're not then depending
204:40 you. And you're not then depending exclusively on what Christ did on the
204:42 exclusively on what Christ did on the cross to get you to heaven.
204:44 cross to get you to heaven. >> Well, I I don't think I actually said
204:47 >> Well, I I don't think I actually said that though either. I think you know
204:48 that though either. I think you know what I'm saying is you know baptism is
204:51 what I'm saying is you know baptism is the an ordinary means by which God does
204:54 the an ordinary means by which God does this work which is regeneration but I'm
204:56 this work which is regeneration but I'm not saying it is absolutely
204:58 not saying it is absolutely >> so is sharing the gospel someone says
205:00 >> so is sharing the gospel someone says sharing the gospel is the ordinary means
205:01 sharing the gospel is the ordinary means that God regenerates you and it's God's
205:03 that God regenerates you and it's God's work it's God's work in you but you have
205:05 work it's God's work in you but you have to do it still repackage false gospel
205:08 to do it still repackage false gospel that the Galatians were teaching
205:10 that the Galatians were teaching >> can you explain to me just I want to
205:12 >> can you explain to me just I want to kind of break the logic of this down a
205:13 kind of break the logic of this down a little bit can you explain to me how I
205:15 little bit can you explain to me how I think and correct me if I misunderstand
205:17 think and correct me if I misunderstand you. But if if you you would probably
205:20 you. But if if you you would probably say that preaching the gospel in some
205:23 say that preaching the gospel in some sense, not like me going and preaching
205:26 sense, not like me going and preaching the gospel, but hearing the gospel
205:27 the gospel, but hearing the gospel preached is necessary for someone to
205:29 preached is necessary for someone to come to salvation. They have to hear the
205:30 come to salvation. They have to hear the truth of what God has done on the cross
205:32 truth of what God has done on the cross and so forth and the gospel message for
205:34 and so forth and the gospel message for them to be saved. Right?
205:37 them to be saved. Right? Whichever means God uses to communicate
205:40 Whichever means God uses to communicate the message, whether it be someone
205:41 the message, whether it be someone preaching or if God even uses some sort
205:43 preaching or if God even uses some sort of supernatural means for someone to
205:44 of supernatural means for someone to understand the gospel like Jesus
205:46 understand the gospel like Jesus appearing to Paul for example on the
205:48 appearing to Paul for example on the road to Damascus. God can use whatever
205:50 road to Damascus. God can use whatever means for someone to have access to the
205:52 means for someone to have access to the gospel. But um once they in terms of
205:57 gospel. But um once they in terms of you've heard the gospel which is again
206:00 you've heard the gospel which is again not you doing work but you've you hear
206:02 not you doing work but you've you hear the gospel come to come in contact with
206:04 the gospel come to come in contact with the gospel somehow. You then respond to
206:08 the gospel somehow. You then respond to that gospel in faith trusting in what
206:10 that gospel in faith trusting in what Jesus has done which is all happening in
206:12 Jesus has done which is all happening in the heart. then you're not it's
206:15 the heart. then you're not it's grace-based salvation because faith is
206:17 grace-based salvation because faith is not works.
206:19 not works. But if you make
206:21 But if you make any external action as the basis of
206:26 any external action as the basis of okay, I did this external action. I got
206:28 okay, I did this external action. I got baptized. Therefore, now I'm
206:30 baptized. Therefore, now I'm regenerated. I'm saved. Then you are
206:35 regenerated. I'm saved. Then you are depending upon a work you've done to
206:38 depending upon a work you've done to receive the grace of salvation. And
206:39 receive the grace of salvation. And therefore, it's not grace. It's it's a
206:41 therefore, it's not grace. It's it's a worksbased message.
206:47 Yeah. Well, but you are still saying that that is
206:49 but you are still saying that that is that that action, that physical moment
206:51 that that action, that physical moment of the gospel being preached was
206:53 of the gospel being preached was necessary as God's means. I mean, you
206:55 necessary as God's means. I mean, you get you you even said it there. It's
206:56 get you you even said it there. It's God's means by which he worked to bring
206:59 God's means by which he worked to bring about salvation in someone's life. I
207:01 about salvation in someone's life. I don't see how baptism can't be granted
207:03 don't see how baptism can't be granted the same case when you say, you know,
207:05 the same case when you say, you know, preaching the gospel is that baptism is
207:08 preaching the gospel is that baptism is likewise that, you know, and so
207:10 likewise that, you know, and so >> it's just that scripture consistently
207:12 >> it's just that scripture consistently teaches us that we're justified by
207:14 teaches us that we're justified by faith. It never once teaches
207:16 faith. It never once teaches justification by baptism. Never even
207:18 justification by baptism. Never even once.
207:20 once. >> Well, I I do and we we can get into
207:22 >> Well, I I do and we we can get into passages if if we'd like. I do think
207:24 passages if if we'd like. I do think there's plenty of biblical data that
207:26 there's plenty of biblical data that shows baptism is linked to the
207:28 shows baptism is linked to the forgiveness of sins and to salvific
207:30 forgiveness of sins and to salvific promises. But I agree,
207:31 promises. But I agree, >> never once, never once do you receive
207:34 >> never once, never once do you receive right standing before God by baptism.
207:36 right standing before God by baptism. Every time Romans 5:1, since therefore
207:39 Every time Romans 5:1, since therefore since we've been justified by faith, we
207:41 since we've been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord
207:43 have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. And so if somebody has
207:46 Jesus Christ. And so if somebody has their faith in Jesus Christ today, they
207:47 their faith in Jesus Christ today, they heard the gospel, they put their trust
207:49 heard the gospel, they put their trust in Jesus, they don't even they haven't
207:51 in Jesus, they don't even they haven't got baptized, they don't even have a
207:53 got baptized, they don't even have a desire for baptism, but they've got
207:55 desire for baptism, but they've got their faith in Jesus genuinely. Are they
207:57 their faith in Jesus genuinely. Are they saved?
208:00 saved? >> Um
208:01 >> Um I I would say yes. Now, the one thing
208:03 I I would say yes. Now, the one thing that I guess would hold me up
208:05 that I guess would hold me up >> that that doesn't sound like it's
208:06 >> that that doesn't sound like it's ordinarily necessary then.
208:08 ordinarily necessary then. >> Well, there's one thing Yeah, I
208:09 >> Well, there's one thing Yeah, I understand. There's one thing you said
208:11 understand. There's one thing you said there that seems to me that kind of
208:12 there that seems to me that kind of caveats that is the part where you said
208:15 caveats that is the part where you said that they don't desire salvation. I
208:19 that they don't desire salvation. I think you know if that was a matter
208:20 think you know if that was a matter >> I didn't say that. I didn't say desire
208:21 >> I didn't say that. I didn't say desire salvation.
208:23 salvation. >> I'm excuse me I misspoke. Um desire
208:25 >> I'm excuse me I misspoke. Um desire baptism. Uh sorry. Um
208:28 baptism. Uh sorry. Um >> yeah let's say they've they've never
208:30 >> yeah let's say they've they've never even heard of even the concept of
208:31 even heard of even the concept of baptism. They just heard about Jesus
208:33 baptism. They just heard about Jesus Christ crucified. The very message that
208:35 Christ crucified. The very message that Paul preached and he was glad that he
208:36 Paul preached and he was glad that he didn't baptize many of the Corinthians.
208:38 didn't baptize many of the Corinthians. He just because God sent him to preach
208:40 He just because God sent him to preach the gospel and the gospel is the power
208:42 the gospel and the gospel is the power of God for salvation, right? And he was
208:44 of God for salvation, right? And he was glad that he did not baptize many of the
208:46 glad that he did not baptize many of the Corinthians lest they should boast in
208:48 Corinthians lest they should boast in his name like you know appeal to him.
208:51 his name like you know appeal to him. And so if he was entrusted with the
208:53 And so if he was entrusted with the gospel and it shows that the gospel does
208:56 gospel and it shows that the gospel does not include any command to be baptized
209:00 not include any command to be baptized for salvation.
209:06 Um yeah, I mean that that I I I wouldn't take the interpret same interpretation
209:07 take the interpret same interpretation of that passage. I think his point
209:09 of that passage. I think his point behind why he's saying that um that uh
209:14 behind why he's saying that um that uh baptism, excuse me, while he while he
209:16 baptism, excuse me, while he while he says that baptism, he makes that
209:18 says that baptism, he makes that comparison between the gospel and
209:19 comparison between the gospel and baptism is because of the divisiveness
209:21 baptism is because of the divisiveness in the church. They were they were
209:23 in the church. They were they were believing that they were saved based off
209:24 believing that they were saved based off the person they were being baptized but
209:26 the person they were being baptized but with or the identification of Paul
209:28 with or the identification of Paul versus Apollos and so forth. That was
209:30 versus Apollos and so forth. That was the larger point at hand was they're
209:33 the larger point at hand was they're confusing what it means to even be in
209:34 confusing what it means to even be in Christ versus in Paul or someone else.
209:36 Christ versus in Paul or someone else. And that's the point he's
209:38 And that's the point he's >> No, no, no, no, no. That's not that's
209:39 >> No, no, no, no, no. That's not that's not what they're talking about. Instead,
209:41 not what they're talking about. Instead, it wasn't about ah we follow Paul and
209:42 it wasn't about ah we follow Paul and Peter and Cphus or Apollos for
209:45 Peter and Cphus or Apollos for salvation. They were just making
209:46 salvation. They were just making divisions in the church. And he's like,
209:48 divisions in the church. And he's like, I'm glad I didn't baptize many of you so
209:49 I'm glad I didn't baptize many of you so you wouldn't say you were baptized in my
209:51 you wouldn't say you were baptized in my name. But then he makes the contrast in
209:53 name. But then he makes the contrast in verse 17. But God sent me to preach the
209:56 verse 17. But God sent me to preach the gospel. All right? So 1 Corinthians
209:59 gospel. All right? So 1 Corinthians 1:17,
210:00 1:17, for Christ did not send me to baptize,
210:04 for Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel. So therefore,
210:07 but to preach the gospel. So therefore, baptism
210:09 baptism is not included in the preaching of the
210:12 is not included in the preaching of the gospel.
210:13 gospel. Now, baptism is still a good thing and
210:15 Now, baptism is still a good thing and Christians do get baptized as a good
210:18 Christians do get baptized as a good thing, but it's not in the preaching of
210:20 thing, but it's not in the preaching of the gospel itself. So therefore, it's
210:22 the gospel itself. So therefore, it's not even the ordinary means of how you
210:25 not even the ordinary means of how you get saved.
210:28 get saved. Yeah. So again, I think the the issue
210:32 Yeah. So again, I think the the issue here, so verse 17, for Christ to not
210:34 here, so verse 17, for Christ to not send me to baptize, but to preach the
210:36 send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so
210:38 gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be
210:40 that the cross of Christ would not be made void. I think the point in which
210:42 made void. I think the point in which he's he's trying to get out here is
210:44 he's he's trying to get out here is that, you know, you can come and I
210:47 that, you know, you can come and I actually agree that if you were just to
210:49 actually agree that if you were just to go and try to and say, "All right,
210:50 go and try to and say, "All right, here's water, father, name, holy spirit,
210:52 here's water, father, name, holy spirit, and then that's it." That's not even
210:54 and then that's it." That's not even really the picture of what baptism is.
210:56 really the picture of what baptism is. Paul is arguing that if he baptized them
210:59 Paul is arguing that if he baptized them but they didn't receive the gospel, it
211:01 but they didn't receive the gospel, it doesn't matter. And I think he's
211:02 doesn't matter. And I think he's contrasting he's contrasting he did
211:05 contrasting he's contrasting he did wasn't sent for this purpose but he was
211:06 wasn't sent for this purpose but he was sent for this purpose which proves then
211:09 sent for this purpose which proves then the gospel which is the power of God for
211:11 the gospel which is the power of God for salvation. Romans 1:16.
211:14 salvation. Romans 1:16. So it is the power of God for salvation.
211:17 So it is the power of God for salvation. Therefore it includes no command for
211:19 Therefore it includes no command for baptism to receive that salvation. In
211:22 baptism to receive that salvation. In fact, the very verse that says it's the
211:24 fact, the very verse that says it's the power of God for salvation tells us who
211:26 power of God for salvation tells us who it's for. For I'm not ashamed of the
211:29 it's for. For I'm not ashamed of the gospel. It's the power of God for
211:30 gospel. It's the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes. So,
211:33 salvation to everyone who believes. So, if somebody believes
211:35 if somebody believes but they don't get baptized, what do
211:38 but they don't get baptized, what do they have?
211:43 >> Sorry, can you rephrase that question? I'm sorry.
211:44 I'm sorry. >> So, if somebody believes
211:46 >> So, if somebody believes have genuine faith in Christ, but they
211:48 have genuine faith in Christ, but they don't get baptized, what do they still
211:50 don't get baptized, what do they still have according to Paul?
211:55 So if someone if someone believes but they're not Yeah. I mean they're they
211:57 they're not Yeah. I mean they're they have the power of God for salvation.
211:58 have the power of God for salvation. Yeah.
211:59 Yeah. >> All right. So then it doesn't sound like
212:01 >> All right. So then it doesn't sound like the ordinary means of salvation is
212:02 the ordinary means of salvation is baptism.
212:05 baptism. >> So well and this is where I think when
212:06 >> So well and this is where I think when we're looking at scripture I think we
212:08 we're looking at scripture I think we both agree by the way I agree with you
212:10 both agree by the way I agree with you on solos scriptorra. Don't disagree on
212:12 on solos scriptorra. Don't disagree on that. And I agree in the idea also of
212:15 that. And I agree in the idea also of told scriptor. So we have to take all of
212:17 told scriptor. So we have to take all of scripture and this is where we
212:19 scripture and this is where we >> never once never once does justification
212:22 >> never once never once does justification link up with baptism. Justification is
212:24 link up with baptism. Justification is always consistently by faith
212:26 always consistently by faith >> and faith faith faith. So my
212:29 >> and faith faith faith. So my encouragement would be just like if I
212:32 encouragement would be just like if I was chatting to the Galatians in
212:35 was chatting to the Galatians in Galatians 5, those people who are
212:36 Galatians 5, those people who are thinking the gift of God, you know, you
212:39 thinking the gift of God, you know, you got to receive this gift by by God's
212:42 got to receive this gift by by God's work of circumcision, but you have to
212:43 work of circumcision, but you have to still get circumcised. But it's not your
212:45 still get circumcised. But it's not your work, it's God's work. I'd say you guys
212:47 work, it's God's work. I'd say you guys are still believing a different gospel.
212:49 are still believing a different gospel. And if you hold on to that, Christ will
212:51 And if you hold on to that, Christ will be of no advantage to you. And this is
212:53 be of no advantage to you. And this is what I'd say to you. My encouragement
212:55 what I'd say to you. My encouragement doesn't matter what your church teaches.
212:56 doesn't matter what your church teaches. Be willing to disagree with your church
212:58 Be willing to disagree with your church and say, "No, baptism is not what made
213:00 and say, "No, baptism is not what made me right before God. It's what Christ
213:03 me right before God. It's what Christ did on the cross. And I received his
213:04 did on the cross. And I received his grace of salvation by the means of
213:06 grace of salvation by the means of faith. And faith is not a work. Baptism
213:09 faith. And faith is not a work. Baptism is." And so rest in Jesus because man,
213:12 is." And so rest in Jesus because man, you don't want to end up in hell. Just
213:13 you don't want to end up in hell. Just like the hopefully the Galatians didn't
213:15 like the hopefully the Galatians didn't want to end up in hell. I don't want you
213:17 want to end up in hell. I don't want you to go to hell, Logan. But this can
213:20 to go to hell, Logan. But this can definitely separate you from God because
213:22 definitely separate you from God because you're thinking that faith alone in
213:24 you're thinking that faith alone in Christ alone is not enough for you to be
213:27 Christ alone is not enough for you to be saved, but that you had to also get wed
213:33 would >> give us some thought.
213:35 >> give us some thought. >> Sorry. Yeah, I tried to interrupt you.
213:37 >> Sorry. Yeah, I tried to interrupt you. Um, can I can I point do you have time
213:39 Um, can I can I point do you have time for me to point out one more thing? Is
213:41 for me to point out one more thing? Is that okay?
213:42 that okay? >> Yeah. But do you understand why this is
213:44 >> Yeah. But do you understand why this is such a serious issue? And that's why
213:46 such a serious issue? And that's why like this should give you pause to think
213:48 like this should give you pause to think maybe I'm actually I would be, you know,
213:51 maybe I'm actually I would be, you know, severed from Christ if I add these extra
213:53 severed from Christ if I add these extra things on. Hopefully that'll give you
213:56 things on. Hopefully that'll give you pause and think, okay, maybe my church
213:57 pause and think, okay, maybe my church is wrong. Just like when I chat to a
213:59 is wrong. Just like when I chat to a Roman Catholic who's so adamant that
214:00 Roman Catholic who's so adamant that this church must be right, I show him
214:03 this church must be right, I show him different passages. I'm wanting him to
214:05 different passages. I'm wanting him to think through this saying, "This is not
214:08 think through this saying, "This is not a topic you want to be wrong on because
214:09 a topic you want to be wrong on because there's no second chances after you die,
214:10 there's no second chances after you die, Logan. There are no second chances."
214:13 Logan. There are no second chances." So, I'm hoping that this will make you
214:15 So, I'm hoping that this will make you think, okay, if Paul spoke so adamantly
214:17 think, okay, if Paul spoke so adamantly against the what the Galatians were
214:19 against the what the Galatians were believing, just adding one extra
214:21 believing, just adding one extra requirement on just one extra
214:22 requirement on just one extra circumcision.
214:24 circumcision. If I'm adding an extra requirement on
214:26 If I'm adding an extra requirement on baptism, I'll have the same consequences
214:29 baptism, I'll have the same consequences that they'll have. And I don't want
214:30 that they'll have. And I don't want that.
214:31 that. >> Yeah.
214:32 >> Yeah. >> So, rest in Jesus. But not
214:34 >> So, rest in Jesus. But not >> I want to give some others a chance to
214:35 >> I want to give some others a chance to come up as well. But it's been good been
214:37 come up as well. But it's been good been good talking to you hopefully. Are you
214:38 good talking to you hopefully. Are you going to give this some thought man for
214:39 going to give this some thought man for yourself?
214:41 yourself? >> Yeah. No, I mean and you know I've been
214:43 >> Yeah. No, I mean and you know I've been to churches which teach kind of
214:45 to churches which teach kind of according more according to what you're
214:46 according more according to what you're saying too. I've been to a lot of
214:47 saying too. I've been to a lot of different churches. I I think there's a
214:50 different churches. I I think there's a lot more biblical details we need to get
214:51 lot more biblical details we need to get into here and I don't want to take
214:52 into here and I don't want to take everyone else's time up. So I think
214:54 everyone else's time up. So I think there's a lot more biblical issues to
214:56 there's a lot more biblical issues to get into here. I mean you know Romans 6
214:59 get into here. I mean you know Romans 6 and other passages which do discuss
215:00 and other passages which do discuss baptism. I think I think this is a
215:02 baptism. I think I think this is a deeper topic. not talking about water
215:04 deeper topic. not talking about water baptism there in Romans 6. This is why
215:07 baptism there in Romans 6. This is why people assume whenever the word baptism
215:09 people assume whenever the word baptism appears in the Bible, it must be talking
215:10 appears in the Bible, it must be talking about water baptism. And that's not that
215:12 about water baptism. And that's not that doesn't logically follow.
215:14 doesn't logically follow. >> In fact, it tells us what the baptism is
215:15 >> In fact, it tells us what the baptism is in in in Romans 6. It tells us into
215:18 in in in Romans 6. It tells us into Christ and into his death. It's not into
215:20 Christ and into his death. It's not into water then. So, it literally just means
215:22 water then. So, it literally just means immersion. That's what the bapt word
215:24 immersion. That's what the bapt word baptiso means. It just means immersion.
215:26 baptiso means. It just means immersion. And the context will tell you what the
215:27 And the context will tell you what the immersion is in. in those in those
215:29 immersion is in. in those in those verses in Romans 6 is into Christ and
215:31 verses in Romans 6 is into Christ and into his death.
215:33 into his death. Yeah. But good good chatting to you,
215:34 Yeah. But good good chatting to you, Logan. Appreciate you coming up. We can
215:36 Logan. Appreciate you coming up. We can maybe chat further another day if you
215:37 maybe chat further another day if you want to come back, but I just want to
215:38 want to come back, but I just want to give some others a chance.
215:40 give some others a chance. >> Yeah, thank you.
215:42 >> Yeah, thank you. >> Bye.
215:43 >> Bye. All right. Appreciate you coming up. Um,
215:45 All right. Appreciate you coming up. Um, let's bring up Hayden. Welcome, Hayden.
215:48 let's bring up Hayden. Welcome, Hayden. >> Hey, brother. How are you?
215:50 >> Hey, brother. How are you? >> Good. Good to have you here, man. What
215:51 >> Good. Good to have you here, man. What do you want to ask about?
215:53 do you want to ask about? >> Um, so I wanted to talk about something
215:55 >> Um, so I wanted to talk about something that I've been dealing with for the last
215:57 that I've been dealing with for the last few months. I believe I got saved back
215:59 few months. I believe I got saved back in 2020, but repentance has been
216:01 in 2020, but repentance has been something that has been just on my mind
216:04 something that has been just on my mind constantly. What it
216:11 >> Oh, sorry. Say again. You cut it again. >> Yeah, sorry. I just want to understand
216:15 >> Yeah, sorry. I just want to understand what you believe repentance is in
216:18 what you believe repentance is in context to one's salvation. and um just
216:23 context to one's salvation. and um just simply a definition of repentance and
216:25 simply a definition of repentance and then
216:27 then if faith necessitates repentance if that
216:31 if faith necessitates repentance if that makes sense.
216:32 makes sense. >> Yeah, it's a good question. Okay, so I
216:35 >> Yeah, it's a good question. Okay, so I would see repentance from the Greek word
216:38 would see repentance from the Greek word metaninoia meaning to change your mind.
216:41 metaninoia meaning to change your mind. And like the word baptism which means
216:44 And like the word baptism which means immersion, the context will determine
216:45 immersion, the context will determine what the immersion is in. So, same thing
216:47 what the immersion is in. So, same thing with the word metaninoia. The context
216:49 with the word metaninoia. The context will determine what the change of mind
216:51 will determine what the change of mind is about.
216:52 is about. >> Okay?
216:53 >> Okay? >> So, sometimes in scripture it's a change
216:55 >> So, sometimes in scripture it's a change of mind about Christ, accepting him as
216:57 of mind about Christ, accepting him as Messiah compared to rejecting him as the
216:58 Messiah compared to rejecting him as the Messiah. Sometimes it's talking about a
217:00 Messiah. Sometimes it's talking about a change of mind about sin. So, in
217:02 change of mind about sin. So, in Revelation, it talks about that it
217:03 Revelation, it talks about that it repented. They need to repent of their
217:05 repented. They need to repent of their sexual morality. So, it's a change of
217:07 sexual morality. So, it's a change of mind and attitude about their sin. So
217:09 mind and attitude about their sin. So generally in in regards to salvation
217:12 generally in in regards to salvation repentance would be that going from
217:14 repentance would be that going from describing the process of going from
217:16 describing the process of going from unbelief to belief in Christ that change
217:18 unbelief to belief in Christ that change of heart change of mind that happens
217:20 of heart change of mind that happens there and would include a change of mind
217:23 there and would include a change of mind about your sin.
217:24 about your sin. >> Okay.
217:24 >> Okay. >> And so then yes it's absolutely it's it
217:27 >> And so then yes it's absolutely it's it would be necessary for salvation but
217:28 would be necessary for salvation but it's just describing the process of
217:30 it's just describing the process of going from not believing to believing.
217:33 going from not believing to believing. So still believing is the means by which
217:35 So still believing is the means by which we receive the grace of justification.
217:38 we receive the grace of justification. Gotcha. That's awesome. That's great.
217:40 Gotcha. That's awesome. That's great. Um, so in Luke 13:3, when Jesus says,
217:42 Um, so in Luke 13:3, when Jesus says, "Unless you repent, you will perish."
217:46 "Unless you repent, you will perish." In what context do you believe he's
217:48 In what context do you believe he's like, are we changing our mind about sin
217:50 like, are we changing our mind about sin there? Are we changing our mind about
217:52 there? Are we changing our mind about him or is it both?
217:54 him or is it both? >> It it seems to be just because he's
217:57 >> It it seems to be just because he's talking to these unbelievers here. It
217:58 talking to these unbelievers here. It seems to be about Christ in particular.
218:01 seems to be about Christ in particular. Now sin will be maybe included in that
218:04 Now sin will be maybe included in that but it's particularly about Christ that
218:06 but it's particularly about Christ that if you don't acknowledge who he is
218:08 if you don't acknowledge who he is what's going to happen to you just like
218:10 what's going to happen to you just like these guys who Pilate mingled their
218:14 these guys who Pilate mingled their blood with the sacrifices they killed
218:16 blood with the sacrifices they killed them while they're offering a sacrifice
218:19 them while they're offering a sacrifice >> were they wor sinners no unless you
218:20 >> were they wor sinners no unless you repent you'll likewise perish now it's
218:22 repent you'll likewise perish now it's interesting he says likewise perish
218:24 interesting he says likewise perish likewise seems to imply in the same way
218:27 likewise seems to imply in the same way or that same thing that's going to
218:29 or that same thing that's going to happen to them and they died it doesn't
218:30 happen to them and they died it doesn't mean that those guys went to hell. The
218:32 mean that those guys went to hell. The guys who Herod killed.
218:34 guys who Herod killed. >> So I think he's actually not talking
218:36 >> So I think he's actually not talking about hell specifically here. There are
218:37 about hell specifically here. There are other passages that talk about hell, but
218:39 other passages that talk about hell, but just not this one.
218:41 just not this one. >> I think likewise, the fact that it has
218:42 >> I think likewise, the fact that it has the light word likewise indicates that
218:44 the light word likewise indicates that you guys will physically die just like
218:47 you guys will physically die just like these guys did and the guys who have the
218:49 these guys did and the guys who have the tower fall on them
218:51 tower fall on them >> 18 who died again talking about physical
218:53 >> 18 who died again talking about physical death. Unless you repent, you'll
218:55 death. Unless you repent, you'll likewise or likewise perish. Jewish
218:58 likewise or likewise perish. Jewish people, if you do not embrace your
219:00 people, if you do not embrace your Messiah, Jesus is saying, change your
219:02 Messiah, Jesus is saying, change your mind about him and actually embrace him
219:04 mind about him and actually embrace him in faith, then therefore you are going
219:07 in faith, then therefore you are going to all likewise die just like these
219:09 to all likewise die just like these examples of these people who did. Now,
219:12 examples of these people who did. Now, what happened? Did they change their
219:13 what happened? Did they change their mind? Unfortunately, largely they
219:15 mind? Unfortunately, largely they didn't. And in 70 AD, we see a good
219:18 didn't. And in 70 AD, we see a good demonstration of that of what that
219:20 demonstration of that of what that rejection of Jesus the Messiah did
219:22 rejection of Jesus the Messiah did resulted in millions and them dying.
219:25 resulted in millions and them dying. That's probably what he's referring to
219:26 That's probably what he's referring to there in regards to like in regards to
219:29 there in regards to like in regards to likewise perish.
219:30 likewise perish. >> Gotcha. So
219:33 >> Gotcha. So >> in terms of one's justification before
219:35 >> in terms of one's justification before God, it's only in Christ. Um and we
219:40 God, it's only in Christ. Um and we would say you would agree that we're
219:43 would say you would agree that we're we put our faith in Jesus to be saved
219:45 we put our faith in Jesus to be saved from the wrath that is to come. Correct.
219:48 from the wrath that is to come. Correct. >> Yeah. So, if we're if we're putting our
219:51 >> Yeah. So, if we're if we're putting our faith in Jesus to be saved from the
219:54 faith in Jesus to be saved from the wrath to come, wouldn't that necessitate
219:56 wrath to come, wouldn't that necessitate a change of mind that you you deserve
219:58 a change of mind that you you deserve God's wrath for your sins?
220:01 God's wrath for your sins? >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So, yeah,
220:03 >> Absolutely. Absolutely. So, yeah, there'll be a change of mind about
220:04 there'll be a change of mind about Christ, which includes then a change of
220:06 Christ, which includes then a change of mind about yourself.
220:07 mind about yourself. >> Yeah.
220:07 >> Yeah. >> That you realize you're a sinner who
220:08 >> That you realize you're a sinner who deserves hell, that sin is terrible, you
220:11 deserves hell, that sin is terrible, you have a different attitude towards sin,
220:13 have a different attitude towards sin, and you've got your faith in Christ now.
220:15 and you've got your faith in Christ now. >> Yeah. So, it's not it's not it's not
220:17 >> Yeah. So, it's not it's not it's not that, okay, I gotta clean up my life. I
220:20 that, okay, I gotta clean up my life. I gotta stop doing this and then I'll be
220:22 gotta stop doing this and then I'll be made right before God. It's more it's
220:24 made right before God. It's more it's more so I' I've failed. I'm headed for
220:27 more so I' I've failed. I'm headed for destruction.
220:29 destruction. I need a savior. And you put your trust
220:31 I need a savior. And you put your trust in Christ. And then
220:33 in Christ. And then >> spot on.
220:33 >> spot on. >> What I feel like the main thing that has
220:36 >> What I feel like the main thing that has led me away from my sin is understanding
220:39 led me away from my sin is understanding Christ died for that. He was killed for
220:41 Christ died for that. He was killed for my sin. He was crucified for my sin. How
220:43 my sin. He was crucified for my sin. How can I continue to live in the very thing
220:46 can I continue to live in the very thing that nailed my savior to the cross? Not
220:48 that nailed my savior to the cross? Not more not so much as not I got to do this
220:52 more not so much as not I got to do this because if if if it were that then
220:54 because if if if it were that then Christ died needlessly. Then
220:56 Christ died needlessly. Then >> that's a good point and I I really
220:58 >> that's a good point and I I really appreciate you yeah you're saying this
220:59 appreciate you yeah you're saying this because sometimes how people present the
221:02 because sometimes how people present the gospel you hear see well-meaning
221:04 gospel you hear see well-meaning Christians present the gospel as there
221:05 Christians present the gospel as there are two things you got to do to be saved
221:08 are two things you got to do to be saved >> and they list one of them as repentance
221:09 >> and they list one of them as repentance and how they define repentance is
221:11 and how they define repentance is stopping sin. Yeah.
221:13 stopping sin. Yeah. >> You know, I don't do don't do the bad
221:14 >> You know, I don't do don't do the bad things anymore. Look what they've just
221:16 things anymore. Look what they've just preached.
221:17 preached. >> Yeah.
221:18 >> Yeah. >> A message of God will only accept you if
221:20 >> A message of God will only accept you if you're obeying his rules enough.
221:22 you're obeying his rules enough. >> That's not the gospel. That's the
221:24 >> That's not the gospel. That's the opposite message. That's Islam for you.
221:26 opposite message. That's Islam for you. Islam says that.
221:27 Islam says that. >> That's not what Christianity teaches. We
221:29 >> That's not what Christianity teaches. We seek to obey God because we're saved.
221:31 seek to obey God because we're saved. But we don't say one of the conditions
221:33 But we don't say one of the conditions of receiving salvation is obedience to
221:35 of receiving salvation is obedience to him. And so that's why the word repent
221:37 him. And so that's why the word repent is so misunderstood in the world today
221:40 is so misunderstood in the world today and in Christian circles even today.
221:42 and in Christian circles even today. Most people in the world think the word
221:43 Most people in the world think the word repent means stop sinning, be good,
221:45 repent means stop sinning, be good, follow rules, or they think it means
221:47 follow rules, or they think it means asking for forgiveness. Neither of those
221:49 asking for forgiveness. Neither of those are the biblical definition of repent.
221:52 are the biblical definition of repent. >> Yeah.
221:52 >> Yeah. >> So that's why in my evangelism, I
221:54 >> So that's why in my evangelism, I usually don't even use the word repent
221:56 usually don't even use the word repent because I know most people aren't going
221:57 because I know most people aren't going to understand the word. So, I'm gonna
221:59 to understand the word. So, I'm gonna preferably explain the concept if I know
222:03 preferably explain the concept if I know that they're going to misunderstand the
222:04 that they're going to misunderstand the word. It'd be like me saying to you,
222:07 word. It'd be like me saying to you, >> "Hey, jump. Jump." And what I mean by
222:09 >> "Hey, jump. Jump." And what I mean by jump is sit down.
222:11 jump is sit down. >> You're going to be like, "And then you
222:12 >> You're going to be like, "And then you start jumping." I'm like, "What are you
222:13 start jumping." I'm like, "What are you doing?"
222:14 doing?" >> Yeah.
222:15 >> Yeah. >> You said jump. Well, I meant sit down.
222:16 >> You said jump. Well, I meant sit down. Well, then why didn't you explain sit
222:18 Well, then why didn't you explain sit down to me then rather than using the
222:20 down to me then rather than using the word jump. And you know, that's the same
222:21 word jump. And you know, that's the same thing. If people think the word repent
222:23 thing. If people think the word repent means these unbiblical def definitions,
222:26 means these unbiblical def definitions, maybe just explain the concept or even
222:28 maybe just explain the concept or even clarify, give the def right definition
222:30 clarify, give the def right definition of the word and explain that the change
222:33 of the word and explain that the change of behavior and the asking for
222:35 of behavior and the asking for forgiveness, they are results of
222:37 forgiveness, they are results of repentance. They're the fruit of
222:39 repentance. They're the fruit of repentance, but it's not repentance
222:41 repentance, but it's not repentance itself.
222:42 itself. >> Okay, that's that's really helpful. Um,
222:46 >> Okay, that's that's really helpful. Um, just one more followup and then I think
222:47 just one more followup and then I think I'll be good. Um, so if we meet someone
222:50 I'll be good. Um, so if we meet someone that's like, "Well, yeah, I believe in
222:52 that's like, "Well, yeah, I believe in Jesus, but you know, I don't really see
222:55 Jesus, but you know, I don't really see a problem with, you know,
222:58 a problem with, you know, fornication. I don't really see a
223:00 fornication. I don't really see a problem with getting drunk." Then would
223:02 problem with getting drunk." Then would you say that someone has true faith in
223:06 you say that someone has true faith in Jesus if they haven't truly changed
223:08 Jesus if they haven't truly changed their mind that those sins are worthy of
223:10 their mind that those sins are worthy of the wrath of God?
223:14 the wrath of God? I think it's possible for a Christian to
223:16 I think it's possible for a Christian to think that something is right, but it's
223:18 think that something is right, but it's actually wrong. For example, I know many
223:20 actually wrong. For example, I know many Christians who think speeding on the
223:21 Christians who think speeding on the road is okay. They can go over the speed
223:23 road is okay. They can go over the speed limit, and I think it's perfectly fine
223:26 limit, and I think it's perfectly fine when it's actually a sin because you're
223:27 when it's actually a sin because you're breaking the government's law. Romans
223:29 breaking the government's law. Romans 13.
223:30 13. And so then, would I say that every one
223:33 And so then, would I say that every one of those people are not Christians? No,
223:35 of those people are not Christians? No, I wouldn't say that. I would just say
223:36 I wouldn't say that. I would just say that they're wrong. That they're
223:37 that they're wrong. That they're justifying something which is sinful.
223:39 justifying something which is sinful. They think it's right, but it's actually
223:40 They think it's right, but it's actually wrong. And there's other there's other
223:42 wrong. And there's other there's other examples I can give you besides that
223:43 examples I can give you besides that one. But
223:45 one. But I think as a Christian, we have a
223:48 I think as a Christian, we have a general disposition of
223:51 general disposition of I want to be I love God. I hate my sins.
223:54 I want to be I love God. I hate my sins. Like as a general view of sin, but in
223:57 Like as a general view of sin, but in terms of specifics, it's possible for us
223:59 terms of specifics, it's possible for us to sometimes think that something's
224:01 to sometimes think that something's right that is actually wrong or even
224:03 right that is actually wrong or even justify sin sometimes and think it's not
224:05 justify sin sometimes and think it's not too bad or it's all right.
224:08 too bad or it's all right. >> And I think we shouldn't. And that's
224:09 >> And I think we shouldn't. And that's just part of the sanctification process.
224:12 just part of the sanctification process. But if you're seeing in a person's life,
224:14 But if you're seeing in a person's life, >> they just have no love for the Lord,
224:16 >> they just have no love for the Lord, they have no hatred for sin at all, just
224:20 they have no hatred for sin at all, just continually just love all sin, then that
224:22 continually just love all sin, then that would be a pretty strong indication. I
224:24 would be a pretty strong indication. I don't know if they have faith in Jesus
224:26 don't know if they have faith in Jesus Christ.
224:27 Christ. >> Yeah. Then that would just be like an
224:28 >> Yeah. Then that would just be like an intellectual belief. Like James 2 says,
224:32 intellectual belief. Like James 2 says, you believe that God is one. Good for
224:34 you believe that God is one. Good for you. You know, you believe Jesus
224:36 you. You know, you believe Jesus existed, good for you. Your faith isn't
224:37 existed, good for you. Your faith isn't truly in him. you know.
224:39 truly in him. you know. >> Um,
224:40 >> Um, >> yeah.
224:41 >> yeah. >> And okay, I that makes me feel better. I
224:44 >> And okay, I that makes me feel better. I I guess I was also thinking about the
224:46 I guess I was also thinking about the verses where Jesus said, "I did not come
224:48 verses where Jesus said, "I did not come for the righteous, but for the sinners
224:51 for the righteous, but for the sinners to call sinners to repentance." So, I
224:53 to call sinners to repentance." So, I guess my my main thing was there does
224:56 guess my my main thing was there does have to be that initial change of mind
224:59 have to be that initial change of mind and heart that is a gift by God where
225:01 and heart that is a gift by God where you understand I I'm headed for judgment
225:04 you understand I I'm headed for judgment and I need a savior, you know,
225:06 and I need a savior, you know, >> and you would agree with that, correct?
225:08 >> and you would agree with that, correct? Yeah, absolutely. We got to come to that
225:09 Yeah, absolutely. We got to come to that realization. Otherwise, you won't you
225:11 realization. Otherwise, you won't you won't put your trust in Christ if you
225:13 won't put your trust in Christ if you don't think you need a savior.
225:15 don't think you need a savior. >> 100%.
225:16 >> 100%. >> Yeah.
225:16 >> Yeah. >> All right. Well, thank you.
225:18 >> All right. Well, thank you. >> Hayden, how sure are you out of 100
225:19 >> Hayden, how sure are you out of 100 you're going to heaven?
225:21 you're going to heaven? >> 100%. Because, you know, Christ died for
225:24 >> 100%. Because, you know, Christ died for my sins and he rose again and my trust
225:26 my sins and he rose again and my trust is in him to save me.
225:28 is in him to save me. >> Awesome. Thanks for coming up, man. Good
225:30 >> Awesome. Thanks for coming up, man. Good >> question. Appreciate it.
225:33 >> question. Appreciate it. >> Yeah, that's a tricky topic. Repentance.
225:35 >> Yeah, that's a tricky topic. Repentance. A lot of people get misunderstood. they
225:37 A lot of people get misunderstood. they think it has it's other things and
225:39 think it has it's other things and that's why I think clarity and sharing
225:41 that's why I think clarity and sharing the gospel is important.
225:44 the gospel is important. Um
225:45 Um make the words you say be as clear as
225:48 make the words you say be as clear as possible to the unbeliever that you're
225:50 possible to the unbeliever that you're witnessing to.
225:52 witnessing to. And so you don't have to just say the
225:54 And so you don't have to just say the all fancy theological terms that it's
225:56 all fancy theological terms that it's going to go straight over their head.
225:58 going to go straight over their head. Either explain them or just use basic
226:01 Either explain them or just use basic words that the person will get. But I
226:03 words that the person will get. But I appreciate that chat. That was really
226:05 appreciate that chat. That was really good. Uh, we might bring up another
226:07 good. Uh, we might bring up another person of quick chat, Hunter. Welcome,
226:09 person of quick chat, Hunter. Welcome, Hunter.
226:10 Hunter. >> Hey, Ryan. Can you hear me?
226:12 >> Hey, Ryan. Can you hear me? >> Yeah, man. Good to have you here.
226:14 >> Yeah, man. Good to have you here. >> Good to see you. I've been on here
226:15 >> Good to see you. I've been on here before. Um, all right. I got some I got
226:18 before. Um, all right. I got some I got a couple questions for you and you can
226:21 a couple questions for you and you can just answer them like really quick and I
226:23 just answer them like really quick and I won't ask any more questions because I
226:24 won't ask any more questions because I have like quite a few.
226:26 have like quite a few. >> Um,
226:28 >> Um, okay. Let me see.
226:31 okay. Let me see. Um, when do you think uh like the
226:35 Um, when do you think uh like the doctrines got messed up where people
226:38 doctrines got messed up where people started trusting on their works? Because
226:40 started trusting on their works? Because like I've been in the church since I was
226:42 like I've been in the church since I was a little kid and I would say until I was
226:45 a little kid and I would say until I was about 25.
226:47 about 25. I finally realized that it's just faith
226:50 I finally realized that it's just faith alone in Christ. So why do you think so
226:52 alone in Christ. So why do you think so many people are wrong?
226:54 many people are wrong? >> I think it happened right from the very
226:56 >> I think it happened right from the very beginning. Even the infancy of the New
226:58 beginning. Even the infancy of the New Testament church, we see the Galatians
227:00 Testament church, we see the Galatians going to a workspace salvation. Paul
227:03 going to a workspace salvation. Paul warned us that even after his departure,
227:06 warned us that even after his departure, more false teachers will come in. I know
227:08 more false teachers will come in. I know that after my departure, fierce bulls
227:10 that after my departure, fierce bulls will come in among you, not sparing the
227:12 will come in among you, not sparing the flock. And from among your own selves
227:14 flock. And from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things
227:16 will arise men speaking twisted things to draw away the disciples after them.
227:19 to draw away the disciples after them. It's because Satan realizes that he
227:21 It's because Satan realizes that he can't actually destroy the Christian
227:23 can't actually destroy the Christian church, but he can try and influence
227:26 church, but he can try and influence them by being part of it by sewing the
227:30 them by being part of it by sewing the weeds among the wheat. And so therefore,
227:33 weeds among the wheat. And so therefore, if you can have something look like it's
227:35 if you can have something look like it's Christianity, but teach a false gospel,
227:38 Christianity, but teach a false gospel, then that's going to deceive a lot of
227:39 then that's going to deceive a lot of people. And it does. A lot of people
227:41 people. And it does. A lot of people think that Christianity is a worksbased
227:43 think that Christianity is a worksbased message of salvation because of all
227:45 message of salvation because of all these different professing Christian
227:46 these different professing Christian churches that teach that.
227:48 churches that teach that. So, it's from the beginning and there's
227:50 So, it's from the beginning and there's always a remnant that's saved. It's
227:52 always a remnant that's saved. It's never going to be the majority. Jesus
227:54 never going to be the majority. Jesus said it is a narrow road and those who
227:56 said it is a narrow road and those who find it will be few.
227:59 find it will be few. >> And Paul says in Acts 11:5,
228:08 uh, Romans 11:5, so too at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.
228:11 time there is a remnant chosen by grace. It's always a remnant, not the majority,
228:13 It's always a remnant, not the majority, but a remnant. And it just appeals to
228:16 but a remnant. And it just appeals to people's human nature. They just want to
228:18 people's human nature. They just want to try and contribute to their salvation,
228:21 try and contribute to their salvation, right? They want to say, even many want
228:23 right? They want to say, even many want to say not of works, but then still
228:24 to say not of works, but then still think it's their works.
228:26 think it's their works. >> Mhm.
228:26 >> Mhm. >> Because they know phrases, but they
228:28 >> Because they know phrases, but they don't want to rest in Christ.
228:31 don't want to rest in Christ. >> Yeah. Okay. My next question, um, so you
228:35 >> Yeah. Okay. My next question, um, so you would say you can't lose your salvation
228:37 would say you can't lose your salvation once you believe, right?
228:40 once you believe, right? >> Correct. Because you'll always believe.
228:42 >> Correct. Because you'll always believe. >> Yeah. So what if someone believes like
228:46 >> Yeah. So what if someone believes like let's say they were a teenager they
228:47 let's say they were a teenager they believed faith alone and then they got
228:49 believed faith alone and then they got older and then they didn't believe that
228:51 older and then they didn't believe that anymore and they started to trust their
228:53 anymore and they started to trust their works. You think they still would go to
228:54 works. You think they still would go to heaven?
228:56 heaven? >> No. Someone
228:58 >> No. Someone who openly said, "I believe in faith
229:00 who openly said, "I believe in faith alone," may not actually believe in
229:02 alone," may not actually believe in faith alone
229:03 faith alone >> because people can know phrases but not
229:05 >> because people can know phrases but not understand the concept
229:06 understand the concept >> or like you know like be like led astray
229:08 >> or like you know like be like led astray like they did believe that and then they
229:09 like they did believe that and then they listen to different people and then they
229:12 listen to different people and then they get you know
229:13 get you know >> oh but a true Christian will never be
229:15 >> oh but a true Christian will never be led astray by false teaching to the
229:17 led astray by false teaching to the point of rejecting the gospel. Now we
229:19 point of rejecting the gospel. Now we could be led astray in secondary issues
229:21 could be led astray in secondary issues sure but not in terms of what we're
229:23 sure but not in terms of what we're resting upon to save us. that a
229:26 resting upon to save us. that a Christian will always be like, "How
229:28 Christian will always be like, "How could I save myself? I know my
229:29 could I save myself? I know my righteousness is as filthy rags."
229:31 righteousness is as filthy rags." >> So clearly, it's got to be what Christ
229:33 >> So clearly, it's got to be what Christ did alone.
229:35 did alone. >> Um, so what do you think about like
229:39 >> Um, so what do you think about like >> the prosperity like gospel teachers like
229:42 >> the prosperity like gospel teachers like Kenneth Copeland, Joel Ostein? Do you
229:44 Kenneth Copeland, Joel Ostein? Do you think they'll go to heaven? Because I
229:46 think they'll go to heaven? Because I don't know. Like obviously we don't know
229:48 don't know. Like obviously we don't know them, but they say they believe, but do
229:52 them, but they say they believe, but do you think they will?
229:52 you think they will? >> I don't know. I don't know specifically
229:54 >> I don't know. I don't know specifically what they believe. I'd have to I'd love
229:56 what they believe. I'd have to I'd love to have a conversation with them, but
229:58 to have a conversation with them, but what they're preaching in terms of
229:59 what they're preaching in terms of prosperity gospel would be false if they
230:02 prosperity gospel would be false if they teach that the Christian message is that
230:03 teach that the Christian message is that you'll be healthy and wealthy here. Now,
230:05 you'll be healthy and wealthy here. Now, in heaven, we got that to look forward
230:07 in heaven, we got that to look forward to, but not here. And I think it's
230:09 to, but not here. And I think it's giving false promises to people and
230:11 giving false promises to people and people will come to Christ for probably
230:13 people will come to Christ for probably the wrong reason. And so, when they
230:15 the wrong reason. And so, when they realize that they've been lied to, they
230:16 realize that they've been lied to, they didn't get the health and wealth they
230:17 didn't get the health and wealth they were promised, they often then give up
230:20 were promised, they often then give up on professing to be Christian anymore
230:23 on professing to be Christian anymore because they came for the wrong reason.
230:24 because they came for the wrong reason. And then they were sold a lie.
230:27 And then they were sold a lie. >> Okay. Um and also do you think um is
230:30 >> Okay. Um and also do you think um is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Do you
230:32 blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Do you think that's unbelief? Like that's what
230:35 think that's unbelief? Like that's what I've been told. That's just unbelief.
230:37 I've been told. That's just unbelief. >> No. A lot of people say that. I just
230:38 >> No. A lot of people say that. I just don't see any Bible verses that I link
230:41 don't see any Bible verses that I link up unbelief with blasphemy against the
230:42 up unbelief with blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. What I see blasphemy of the
230:45 Holy Spirit. What I see blasphemy of the Holy Spirit as is in Mark 3 29 and 30.
230:50 Holy Spirit as is in Mark 3 29 and 30. Whoever blasphems against the Holy
230:52 Whoever blasphems against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness but is
230:54 Spirit never has forgiveness but is guilty of an eternal sin.
230:56 guilty of an eternal sin. >> For they were saying he has an unclean
230:58 >> For they were saying he has an unclean spirit. So this is what it seems to be
231:00 spirit. So this is what it seems to be where you see Jesus, you see his
231:02 where you see Jesus, you see his miracles and you claim that he has an
231:04 miracles and you claim that he has an unclean spirit.
231:05 unclean spirit. >> Okay. Yeah. Like when the Pharisees said
231:07 >> Okay. Yeah. Like when the Pharisees said he was doing uh like witchcraft
231:10 he was doing uh like witchcraft >> 22.
231:11 >> 22. >> Yeah. He is possessed by Beelible is
231:13 >> Yeah. He is possessed by Beelible is what they were saying. Yeah.
231:14 what they were saying. Yeah. >> Okay. Okay. Um can anyone baptize
231:20 >> Okay. Okay. Um can anyone baptize Yes, if you're a Christian, you could
231:22 Yes, if you're a Christian, you could baptize someone else. There's no
231:23 baptize someone else. There's no necessity to be a priest.
231:26 necessity to be a priest. >> Um, it doesn't seem to be done like that
231:28 >> Um, it doesn't seem to be done like that in scripture. It says baptizing them,
231:31 in scripture. It says baptizing them, meaning someone else is baptizing you or
231:33 meaning someone else is baptizing you or you're baptizing someone else. Now, it's
231:36 you're baptizing someone else. Now, it's great to be baptized in a local church.
231:38 great to be baptized in a local church. Uh, and you can celebrate with your
231:39 Uh, and you can celebrate with your church family there, but it's not a
231:41 church family there, but it's not a necessity to have it done in a local
231:43 necessity to have it done in a local church.
231:45 church. >> Okay. Um, I have two more and then I'll
231:47 >> Okay. Um, I have two more and then I'll be done. Um, can you explain Hebrews
231:50 be done. Um, can you explain Hebrews 6:4-6
231:52 6:4-6 to me?
231:55 to me? >> Yeah, it's a tricky part to understand
231:56 >> Yeah, it's a tricky part to understand Hebrews 6. I would take the reading
231:59 Hebrews 6. I would take the reading here, you know, where it says it's
232:01 here, you know, where it says it's impossible in the case of those who have
232:03 impossible in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted
232:04 once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift and have shared in the
232:06 the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, have tasted of the word of
232:09 Holy Spirit, have tasted of the word of God and the powers of the age to come
232:11 God and the powers of the age to come and then have fallen away to restore
232:13 and then have fallen away to restore them again to repentance since they're
232:14 them again to repentance since they're crucifying once again the son of God to
232:17 crucifying once again the son of God to their own harm and holding him up to
232:20 their own harm and holding him up to contempt. So I think he's giving a
232:22 contempt. So I think he's giving a reductive absurdum argument here. So
232:24 reductive absurdum argument here. So he's trying to show the absurdities
232:27 he's trying to show the absurdities absurdity of the opponent's position to
232:30 absurdity of the opponent's position to show why it can't be true.
232:32 show why it can't be true. He's making the argument if you could be
232:34 He's making the argument if you could be say if you did get saved, you had the
232:37 say if you did get saved, you had the Holy Spirit and you managed to somehow
232:38 Holy Spirit and you managed to somehow fall away.
232:40 fall away. >> Mhm.
232:40 >> Mhm. >> Well, then guess what this logically
232:42 >> Well, then guess what this logically leads to? You could never come back
232:43 leads to? You could never come back because you'd have to kill Jesus again.
232:45 because you'd have to kill Jesus again. You'd have to crucify him once again.
232:47 You'd have to crucify him once again. But since you can't crucify Jesus again
232:49 But since you can't crucify Jesus again because he only dies once, therefore you
232:52 because he only dies once, therefore you can't fall away. Therefore, Hebrews,
232:55 can't fall away. Therefore, Hebrews, continue on to maturity. Stop thinking
232:57 continue on to maturity. Stop thinking that you've lost salvation. You got to
232:58 that you've lost salvation. You got to regain it all the time. You've got it.
233:00 regain it all the time. You've got it. Continue on to maturity, which is what
233:01 Continue on to maturity, which is what verse one is talking about.
233:04 verse one is talking about. >> Okay. Um, and so, you know, when Jesus
233:07 >> Okay. Um, and so, you know, when Jesus gets baptized by John that it says the
233:10 gets baptized by John that it says the Holy Spirit descended upon him, did he
233:12 Holy Spirit descended upon him, did he not have the Holy Spirit before then?
233:14 not have the Holy Spirit before then? Like, that part confused me.
233:18 Like, that part confused me. >> Um, good question.
233:21 >> Um, good question. It doesn't specifically say whether he
233:23 It doesn't specifically say whether he had the Holy Spirit before that
233:25 had the Holy Spirit before that instance. So you could either see it as
233:28 instance. So you could either see it as this is just simply a indication to John
233:31 this is just simply a indication to John and to everyone else. Look this he has
233:33 and to everyone else. Look this he has the spirit's approval and that's why the
233:35 the spirit's approval and that's why the spirit came and rested upon him. And in
233:36 spirit came and rested upon him. And in fact that was the sign that God told to
233:39 fact that was the sign that God told to John. The one whom you see the spirit
233:41 John. The one whom you see the spirit descend he is the one who will baptize
233:44 descend he is the one who will baptize you with the holy spirit. Um so I just
233:47 you with the holy spirit. Um so I just don't know. I don't think we can I don't
233:49 don't know. I don't think we can I don't think there's any passages that speak
233:50 think there's any passages that speak about did he defin did that he didn't
233:53 about did he defin did that he didn't have the spirit at all before that.
233:55 have the spirit at all before that. >> Yeah. Cuz it says like they're like one
233:57 >> Yeah. Cuz it says like they're like one in the same like they're like the same
234:00 in the same like they're like the same like they're all God but you know so I
234:02 like they're all God but you know so I would think that it would he would it
234:04 would think that it would he would it would be with him beforehand.
234:07 would be with him beforehand. >> Yeah maybe. Um I don't know. I just I
234:10 >> Yeah maybe. Um I don't know. I just I don't think we have enough information
234:12 don't think we have enough information to be able to fully answer that one.
234:14 to be able to fully answer that one. >> Okay. And then actually have two more
234:16 >> Okay. And then actually have two more after that. Um, so in Revelation when it
234:19 after that. Um, so in Revelation when it talks about taking the
234:21 talks about taking the >> what' you say?
234:22 >> what' you say? >> So your questions are multiplying.
234:24 >> So your questions are multiplying. That's different.
234:25 That's different. >> So sorry I have them written down. Um,
234:28 >> So sorry I have them written down. Um, uh, in Revelation when it talks about
234:30 uh, in Revelation when it talks about taking the the mark. So is that saying
234:32 taking the the mark. So is that saying like you could definitely lose your
234:34 like you could definitely lose your salvation then if you took that?
234:37 salvation then if you took that? >> I think the mark of the beast represents
234:39 >> I think the mark of the beast represents just unbelief, not believing in Jesus.
234:41 just unbelief, not believing in Jesus. That's I think it's a symbolic way of
234:42 That's I think it's a symbolic way of describing that because it describes in
234:44 describing that because it describes in Revelation 7:4 the mark of God which is
234:48 Revelation 7:4 the mark of God which is on the forehead of every Christian
234:50 on the forehead of every Christian >> but I don't think we have a mark on our
234:51 >> but I don't think we have a mark on our forehead literally. So it's that's
234:53 forehead literally. So it's that's symbolic of trusting in Jesus. And the
234:55 symbolic of trusting in Jesus. And the mark on the forehead or the right hand
234:56 mark on the forehead or the right hand of unbelievers is just representing them
234:58 of unbelievers is just representing them not believing in Jesus. It's not
235:00 not believing in Jesus. It's not actually a vaccine or a credit card or a
235:03 actually a vaccine or a credit card or a wristwatch or
235:05 wristwatch or >> tattoo or something that I thought it
235:06 >> tattoo or something that I thought it was going to be the chip in your wrist
235:08 was going to be the chip in your wrist you can't get. Well, what about when it
235:09 you can't get. Well, what about when it says you won't be able to buy or sell?
235:12 says you won't be able to buy or sell? >> Yeah. In the first century in the Roman
235:14 >> Yeah. In the first century in the Roman Empire, Christians, many Christians were
235:17 Empire, Christians, many Christians were not able to buy or sell in different
235:19 not able to buy or sell in different regions because they were Christians and
235:21 regions because they were Christians and would not affirm that Caesar is Lord. We
235:25 would not affirm that Caesar is Lord. We affirm Christ is Lord.
235:27 affirm Christ is Lord. >> And so therefore, they were excluded
235:28 >> And so therefore, they were excluded from the marketplace. So that was
235:29 from the marketplace. So that was already being fulfilled in the first
235:31 already being fulfilled in the first century.
235:33 century. >> Okay. Um, have you heard um I've heard
235:37 >> Okay. Um, have you heard um I've heard that Pilate became a Christian
235:39 that Pilate became a Christian afterwards and was martyed. Is that
235:42 afterwards and was martyed. Is that true? Have you heard anything about
235:43 true? Have you heard anything about that?
235:45 that? >> We don't know if that's the case. The
235:47 >> We don't know if that's the case. The Bible doesn't say so. Um, I could
235:50 Bible doesn't say so. Um, I could imagine that people will want to make up
235:51 imagine that people will want to make up a story like that because they're like,
235:53 a story like that because they're like, "Hey, that would be pretty cool." But
235:55 "Hey, that would be pretty cool." But just we just can't know. Maybe it's true
235:56 just we just can't know. Maybe it's true or maybe it's not. There's just nothing
235:58 or maybe it's not. There's just nothing in the Bible that talks about that.
236:00 in the Bible that talks about that. >> Okay. Yeah, that's all I wanted to know.
236:02 >> Okay. Yeah, that's all I wanted to know. >> Cool. Hey, man. Great questions. Rapid
236:04 >> Cool. Hey, man. Great questions. Rapid fire questions. I like it. It's good.
236:06 fire questions. I like it. It's good. Thanks, Hunter.
236:07 Thanks, Hunter. >> Thank you.
236:08 >> Thank you. >> God bless you, man. Bye.
236:11 >> God bless you, man. Bye. Hey, that was like rapid fire questions
236:14 Hey, that was like rapid fire questions and answers. I think that was that was
236:17 and answers. I think that was that was good. Thank you, Hunter, for them. All
236:20 good. Thank you, Hunter, for them. All right. Um,
236:22 right. Um, I think that'll be the time we have for
236:23 I think that'll be the time we have for the viewer chats today. For those who
236:25 the viewer chats today. For those who missed out, we'll be doing more viewer
236:26 missed out, we'll be doing more viewer chats at our next stream. But we're
236:28 chats at our next stream. But we're going to do a Cahoot game in just a
236:30 going to do a Cahoot game in just a second. But before we do that, um, we're
236:33 second. But before we do that, um, we're going to listen, oh, this is a good one
236:35 going to listen, oh, this is a good one to Christ we preach.
236:39 to Christ we preach. That's right. Christ we preach. Are you
236:41 That's right. Christ we preach. Are you ready? This is a good encouraging one.
236:45 ready? This is a good encouraging one. >> Darkest night, blind to truth, opposed
236:49 >> Darkest night, blind to truth, opposed to lie. But God in love has made a way.
236:54 to lie. But God in love has made a way. The sun was crushed to bear our blame.
236:57 The sun was crushed to bear our blame. Now raised in power, he reigns above and
237:01 Now raised in power, he reigns above and calls his church to speak his love.
237:10 Christ we preach the crucified, risen Lord, now glorified,
237:14 risen Lord, now glorified, not ourselves nor fleeting.
237:17 not ourselves nor fleeting. We proclaim the prince of peace. Our sin
237:21 We proclaim the prince of peace. Our sin is great, his grace is more. run to
237:25 is great, his grace is more. run to Christ the open door.
237:37 No other name by which we're saved. No works we boast, no debt we pay. He took
237:41 works we boast, no debt we pay. He took our place, our wrath endured, our pardon
237:45 our place, our wrath endured, our pardon sealed, our hope secure. The message
237:49 sealed, our hope secure. The message stands unchanged complete.
237:52 stands unchanged complete. Go and believe and find his peace.
238:01 Christ we praise the crucified risen Lord now glorified
238:05 risen Lord now glorified not ourselves for fleeting ease. We
238:09 not ourselves for fleeting ease. We proclaim the prince of kings. Sin is
238:13 proclaim the prince of kings. Sin is great his grace is more. Run to Christ
238:17 great his grace is more. Run to Christ the open door.
238:30 Let none be silent, unashamed. This gospel saves in Jesus name. Though fools
238:34 gospel saves in Jesus name. Though fools may scoff and kings oppose.
238:38 may scoff and kings oppose. Still we go for Christ arose. So lift
238:42 Still we go for Christ arose. So lift your voice no matter the cost. Proclaim
238:45 your voice no matter the cost. Proclaim his cross to those still lost. The
238:48 his cross to those still lost. The fields are wide. The call is clear.
238:52 fields are wide. The call is clear. Let's speak that all the world may hear.
239:12 Christ we preach. The crucified risen Lord now glorified.
239:16 risen Lord now glorified. Not ourselves nor fleeting ease. We
239:20 Not ourselves nor fleeting ease. We proclaim the prince of peace. Our sin is
239:24 proclaim the prince of peace. Our sin is great. His grace is more. Run to Christ
239:28 great. His grace is more. Run to Christ the open door.
239:40 Our sin is great. His grace is more. Run to Christ the open door. Run to Christ,
239:44 to Christ the open door. Run to Christ, the open door.
239:53 >> Yeah. How encouraging is that song? Run to Christ.
239:54 to Christ. And Christ is who we preach. We preach
239:58 And Christ is who we preach. We preach him the crucified, risen Lord now
240:01 him the crucified, risen Lord now glorified.
240:06 It's always worth preaching Jesus. No matter what reaction you might have from
240:08 matter what reaction you might have from people. Some people might hate you. Some
240:10 people. Some people might hate you. Some people might exclude you. So what? They
240:12 people might exclude you. So what? They did that through the prophets before
240:13 did that through the prophets before you. But people get to hear the saving
240:16 you. But people get to hear the saving message of Jesus that there is a savior
240:18 message of Jesus that there is a savior who can pay for your sins. Rest in him.
240:22 who can pay for your sins. Rest in him. He doesn't require you to get wet in
240:24 He doesn't require you to get wet in baptism to be saved. He doesn't require
240:26 baptism to be saved. He doesn't require you to follow these certain commandments
240:28 you to follow these certain commandments for you to get saved. We do those things
240:30 for you to get saved. We do those things as a result. He just says, "Come to me
240:33 as a result. He just says, "Come to me all who labor and are heavy laden and I
240:35 all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest." So good. Thank you,
240:39 will give you rest." So good. Thank you, God. It's so good for sending in your
240:40 God. It's so good for sending in your super chat. I appreciate that. He said,
240:42 super chat. I appreciate that. He said, "Great song." It is. And you guys can
240:45 "Great song." It is. And you guys can listen to those songs at our website,
240:48 listen to those songs at our website, needgod.net,
240:50 needgod.net, um or at the
240:53 um or at the um channel here, our sister channel,
240:57 um channel here, our sister channel, needgod.net music. Okay. So, now
241:01 needgod.net music. Okay. So, now we're going to play a game of Bible
241:03 we're going to play a game of Bible trivia cahoot. And we got our friend
241:06 trivia cahoot. And we got our friend Phil from New Zealand who's our game
241:09 Phil from New Zealand who's our game host today.
241:20 Yes, there it is folks. The pin code is 5401360.
241:27 So, come on in. EV first place in in the list. Image Bearer Friday here. Closed
241:29 list. Image Bearer Friday here. Closed in truth days here. Good to have you.
241:33 in truth days here. Good to have you. Yeah, what a great stream it's been
241:34 Yeah, what a great stream it's been today. Um, wrapping up the week. So, I
241:38 today. Um, wrapping up the week. So, I hope you've had a good day. Bible study
241:41 hope you've had a good day. Bible study tomorrow. So, if you're in a Discord,
241:43 tomorrow. So, if you're in a Discord, there's a link there. You can click on
241:44 there's a link there. You can click on that and come in for the Bible study.
241:46 that and come in for the Bible study. It's a great time. I think they're
241:47 It's a great time. I think they're studying through Acts at the moment.
241:50 studying through Acts at the moment. So, yeah, come on for that. And then the
241:52 So, yeah, come on for that. And then the next stream will be Saturday, Eastern
241:55 next stream will be Saturday, Eastern 6:00 p.m. I think it is. Something like
241:57 6:00 p.m. I think it is. Something like that. Maybe a bit later.
242:00 that. Maybe a bit later. Uh, but yeah. Hey, if you ever need any
242:02 Uh, but yeah. Hey, if you ever need any good content, just go to our YouTube.net
242:06 good content, just go to our YouTube.net that and you got lots of videos there
242:08 that and you got lots of videos there you can watch back on even today's show.
242:13 you can watch back on even today's show. All right, so I'll post it one more
242:15 All right, so I'll post it one more time. See how many players we're going
242:17 time. See how many players we're going to get in today. We're going to get to
242:19 to get in today. We're going to get to 40 today.
242:21 40 today. Got Vanessa's coming. Steph Fermany
242:24 Got Vanessa's coming. Steph Fermany Mterrey's here. Forgiven for much.
242:27 Mterrey's here. Forgiven for much. Andrea lost and found to be penguins
242:29 Andrea lost and found to be penguins here. Malanino Jeff. Thank you Jesus.
242:33 here. Malanino Jeff. Thank you Jesus. Man of mass, Tony. House of Valves here.
242:35 Man of mass, Tony. House of Valves here. Team Jesus, Juju Geese, Play Cup. And
242:41 Team Jesus, Juju Geese, Play Cup. And wow, look at all these people popping.
242:42 wow, look at all these people popping. And we got 27 players so far. This is
242:45 And we got 27 players so far. This is cool. Noah's Arc just came along.
242:48 cool. Noah's Arc just came along. Here we go.
242:51 Here we go. Be great. So, we get to test our
242:53 Be great. So, we get to test our knowledge, our speed, our recall, and if
242:55 knowledge, our speed, our recall, and if we don't know something, well, we go and
242:57 we don't know something, well, we go and study it so we do know it next time.
242:59 study it so we do know it next time. They do come up again. questions roll
243:01 They do come up again. questions roll around from time to time. So, we get to
243:04 around from time to time. So, we get to revise.
243:10 Yeah. How's your day been? Been been going good? What did you
243:13 Been been going good? What did you learn?
243:15 learn? Something about Jesus? Something you
243:17 Something about Jesus? Something you didn't know? Some really smart cookies
243:20 didn't know? Some really smart cookies in the YouTube chat. I appreciate you
243:21 in the YouTube chat. I appreciate you all answering questions when people that
243:24 all answering questions when people that don't know something or need some help,
243:27 don't know something or need some help, want some advice. You're all helping out
243:29 want some advice. You're all helping out there. That's so good.
243:32 there. That's so good. All right, I think we should get
243:33 All right, I think we should get started. Isaac just joined. Good on you,
243:35 started. Isaac just joined. Good on you, Isaac. All right, let's go.
243:44 Let's have a ball with this cahoot. Three, two, one.
243:47 Three, two, one. First question, one of eight. What is
243:49 First question, one of eight. What is not part of the armor of God? Oh, good
243:52 not part of the armor of God? Oh, good one to start with. Helmet of salvation,
243:54 one to start with. Helmet of salvation, breastplate of righteousness, sword of
243:56 breastplate of righteousness, sword of sharing belt of truth. Which doesn't
243:59 sharing belt of truth. Which doesn't sound right to you? Red, blue, yellow,
244:02 sound right to you? Red, blue, yellow, brown or green. What do you think?
244:06 brown or green. What do you think? What is not?
244:08 What is not? Always read the question. Teacher used
244:10 Always read the question. Teacher used to say yes. Sort of sharing.
244:15 to say yes. Sort of sharing. Okay.
244:17 Okay. 28 got that right. Three said belt of
244:19 28 got that right. Three said belt of truth. But there is a belt of truth
244:21 truth. But there is a belt of truth there.
244:22 there. One of salvation is right. Breastplate
244:24 One of salvation is right. Breastplate of righteousness,
244:26 of righteousness, but it's not the short of s sword of
244:29 but it's not the short of s sword of sharing. It's the word. The word is the
244:32 sharing. It's the word. The word is the sword. Three nails. Uh first place, man
244:36 sword. Three nails. Uh first place, man of maths to me. Noah's arc, image, bear,
244:39 of maths to me. Noah's arc, image, bear, and penguin. Well done. Very close
244:41 and penguin. Well done. Very close there. Scorecard.
244:43 there. Scorecard. Let's go to the next song. Check it out.
244:46 Let's go to the next song. Check it out. Fill in the blank. The Lord is my what?
244:50 Fill in the blank. The Lord is my what? fire, relief, shepherd, armor.
244:55 fire, relief, shepherd, armor. So, we're looking for the word that fits
244:57 So, we're looking for the word that fits with that sentence within the context of
244:59 with that sentence within the context of the Bible.
245:01 the Bible. Lord is my fire. Lord is my relief. Lord
245:04 Lord is my fire. Lord is my relief. Lord is my shepherd. Yes, that's what we're
245:07 is my shepherd. Yes, that's what we're looking for. Shepherd. Well done,
245:10 looking for. Shepherd. Well done, Jonathan. George
245:19 and three nails holds Math, Steph, Noah, and Juju Juice. Well done. Look at that.
245:21 and Juju Juice. Well done. Look at that. Just 27 points between them. So, let's
245:24 Just 27 points between them. So, let's go to question three. See what happens.
245:29 go to question three. See what happens. Which Old Testament prophet was taken to
245:31 Which Old Testament prophet was taken to heaven in a whirlwind? Was that
245:33 heaven in a whirlwind? Was that Jeremiah, Elijah, Daniel, or Isaiah?
245:44 Love those Old Testament prophet names. All right, 32 got that right with
245:46 All right, 32 got that right with Elijah.
245:48 Elijah. And we know Elijah comes before Elisha
245:51 And we know Elijah comes before Elisha because J becomes comes before S in the
245:54 because J becomes comes before S in the alphabet. That's the way Harmony does it
245:56 alphabet. That's the way Harmony does it anyway.
245:58 anyway. All right, Math Boy holds first this
246:01 All right, Math Boy holds first this time. Three nails. Steph, Noah, and Juju
246:04 time. Three nails. Steph, Noah, and Juju in fifth still. Isaac coming up the
246:07 in fifth still. Isaac coming up the leaderboard. Good job.
246:11 leaderboard. Good job. Or of a according to Paul, the body of
246:14 Or of a according to Paul, the body of Christ is made up of what? Of many what?
246:17 Christ is made up of what? Of many what? Members, animals, trees, or trees.
246:20 Members, animals, trees, or trees. According to Paul, the body of Christ is
246:24 According to Paul, the body of Christ is made up of many.
246:27 made up of many. What do you think?
246:37 All right, members. Yes, we're looking for members at time.
246:40 for members at time. It's the body of Christ is the called
246:42 It's the body of Christ is the called out believers, the eklesia, as we like
246:45 out believers, the eklesia, as we like to say.
246:47 to say. 30 got that right. Well done.
246:50 30 got that right. Well done. Man of mass Tony Ste her many three
246:54 Man of mass Tony Ste her many three nails. Noak Melanote comes up into
246:57 nails. Noak Melanote comes up into fifth. Good job, Melanote.
246:59 fifth. Good job, Melanote. All right, we ready for the next
247:01 All right, we ready for the next question? Let's go.
247:04 question? Let's go. Five8. Jesus healed a blind man called
247:09 Five8. Jesus healed a blind man called Thomas, Simeon, Nathan, or Baramus.
247:14 Thomas, Simeon, Nathan, or Baramus. Oh, this might split the field. Jesus
247:17 Oh, this might split the field. Jesus healed a blind man called,
247:20 healed a blind man called, you know what Thomas was famous for? Was
247:23 you know what Thomas was famous for? Was he blind? Simeon Nathan. Old Testament
247:27 he blind? Simeon Nathan. Old Testament Nathan. Is that Old Testament Nathan?
247:29 Nathan. Is that Old Testament Nathan? We're looking for Barmus. Yes.
247:33 We're looking for Barmus. Yes. And Jonathan George, you got that right
247:35 And Jonathan George, you got that right with Baramus. Good job. 21 got that
247:38 with Baramus. Good job. 21 got that right. Yeah. Did split the field a bit.
247:40 right. Yeah. Did split the field a bit. Tricky one, that word, that name.
247:43 Tricky one, that word, that name. Baramus.
247:45 Baramus. Man of mass holds. Friday comes up into
247:47 Man of mass holds. Friday comes up into second. Melanino into third. Jean Jesus
247:50 second. Melanino into third. Jean Jesus into fourth. And Peter Piper, there we
247:54 into fourth. And Peter Piper, there we go. Comes up into fifth. Lost and found.
247:57 go. Comes up into fifth. Lost and found. Highest climber of that round. Good job.
248:00 Highest climber of that round. Good job. All right. Keep it moving.
248:03 All right. Keep it moving. Let's go. Six of eight. Fill in the
248:05 Let's go. Six of eight. Fill in the blank. Noah's Arc came to rest on Mount
248:08 blank. Noah's Arc came to rest on Mount Odum, Ararat, Sinai, or Herman.
248:25 I think you're all going to know it. We got 100% out of you.
248:28 We got 100% out of you. No, not quite. Arar, I remember the last
248:31 No, not quite. Arar, I remember the last time this question came up. It was about
248:33 time this question came up. It was about the same people uh same amount of people
248:35 the same people uh same amount of people that said Si.
248:38 that said Si. Si is definitely an Old Testament
248:41 Si is definitely an Old Testament mountain, but it's not the one where
248:43 mountain, but it's not the one where Noah's Ark came to rest. Sinai was where
248:47 Noah's Ark came to rest. Sinai was where Moses went up to meet with God. All
248:50 Moses went up to meet with God. All right. So now you know
248:54 right. So now you know math boy drops down to second. Friday
248:57 math boy drops down to second. Friday comes up into first. Team Jesus, Noah's
248:59 comes up into first. Team Jesus, Noah's Ark, and Penguin back into fifth. Okay.
249:02 Ark, and Penguin back into fifth. Okay. The penguin
249:08 seven of eight. Which Old Testament figure interpreted dreams for Pharaoh?
249:12 figure interpreted dreams for Pharaoh? Is that Joseph, Ezekiel, Isaiah or
249:15 Is that Joseph, Ezekiel, Isaiah or Daniel?
249:23 Which Old Testament figure interpreted dreams of Pharaoh?
249:26 dreams of Pharaoh? All right. Oh, yes.
249:29 All right. Oh, yes. H Joseph is the answer there. Looking
249:33 H Joseph is the answer there. Looking for Joseph. Daniel
249:37 for Joseph. Daniel had dreams, but he didn't interpret them
249:39 had dreams, but he didn't interpret them for Pharaoh.
249:41 for Pharaoh. That was Joseph we're looking for
249:44 That was Joseph we're looking for and Friday knew that. So, good job.
249:46 and Friday knew that. So, good job. Manaamass penguin into third. Image
249:49 Manaamass penguin into third. Image Bearer into fourth and Noah in fifth.
249:52 Bearer into fourth and Noah in fifth. Good job. All right, next question. Last
249:56 Good job. All right, next question. Last question. Double point. No. Who was
250:00 question. Double point. No. Who was mother of Samuel?
250:02 mother of Samuel? Abigail, Hannah, Esther, or Ruth?
250:06 Abigail, Hannah, Esther, or Ruth? Who was the mother of Samuel?
250:21 Two seconds and we're looking for Hannah.
250:24 and we're looking for Hannah. Yes, Hannah.
250:27 Yes, Hannah. Who was the mother of Samuel 18? Got
250:29 Who was the mother of Samuel 18? Got that right. Bit of a split in the field.
250:30 that right. Bit of a split in the field. Let's see what happened on the podium to
250:33 Let's see what happened on the podium to end our round. Good playing. Well done
250:37 end our round. Good playing. Well done for all that play. Thank you so much for
250:39 for all that play. Thank you so much for coming in. And Penguin gets third. Well
250:42 coming in. And Penguin gets third. Well done, Penguin. Second place, man of
250:45 done, Penguin. Second place, man of maths in first place. D
250:50 maths in first place. D Friday.
250:52 Friday. Here we go. It is Friday down under.
250:54 Here we go. It is Friday down under. Image Bearer fourth. Noah's Arc in
250:56 Image Bearer fourth. Noah's Arc in fifth. Well played everybody. What a
250:59 fifth. Well played everybody. What a great game to wrap up our show today.
251:01 great game to wrap up our show today. Thanks for playing.
251:05 Thanks for playing. Hey, thank you for that, Phil. And well
251:07 Hey, thank you for that, Phil. And well done, Friday. We still have no idea who
251:10 done, Friday. We still have no idea who that person is who names themselves
251:13 that person is who names themselves after the day of the week.
251:15 after the day of the week. They do really well. So, good job. Good
251:17 They do really well. So, good job. Good job. All right, we're going to we're
251:20 job. All right, we're going to we're going to pray and then after this, we'll
251:22 going to pray and then after this, we'll do the true question.
251:32 Heavenly Father, we do thank you that we can do fun things like that, playing
251:33 can do fun things like that, playing that cahoot game and testing our
251:35 that cahoot game and testing our knowledge of your word. Help us to know
251:38 knowledge of your word. Help us to know you and your word better. Help us to
251:40 you and your word better. Help us to live by it. Store up your word in our
251:42 live by it. Store up your word in our heart that we may not sin against you.
251:45 heart that we may not sin against you. Father, we do thank you for your grace.
251:46 Father, we do thank you for your grace. Thank you for the gospel saving wretches
251:49 Thank you for the gospel saving wretches like ours. Help us to preach Jesus
251:51 like ours. Help us to preach Jesus Christ faithfully as you call us to.
251:54 Christ faithfully as you call us to. Lord, give us a good rest this evening.
251:56 Lord, give us a good rest this evening. If anyone's sick right now, may you put
251:58 If anyone's sick right now, may you put your healing hand on them. And if
252:00 your healing hand on them. And if anyone's
252:02 anyone's um stressed out right now or anything
252:04 um stressed out right now or anything like that, Lord, may they comm commit
252:06 like that, Lord, may they comm commit those anxieties to you knowing that you
252:08 those anxieties to you knowing that you care for us. Uh Lord, we thank you that
252:11 care for us. Uh Lord, we thank you that Harmony's able to join us in Australia
252:14 Harmony's able to join us in Australia uh in a week's time, Lord, to join us
252:17 uh in a week's time, Lord, to join us for some outreaches here. And then Lord,
252:20 for some outreaches here. And then Lord, we also pray that Harmony will be able
252:21 we also pray that Harmony will be able to get out the uh the tracks orders that
252:24 to get out the uh the tracks orders that have come in. And may people as they
252:26 have come in. And may people as they receive those gospel tracks, I do pray
252:28 receive those gospel tracks, I do pray that they'll be able to hand them out.
252:30 that they'll be able to hand them out. And may your gospel spread far and wide.
252:32 And may your gospel spread far and wide. We pray this all in Jesus name. Amen.
252:37 We pray this all in Jesus name. Amen. All right. If you agree with that
252:38 All right. If you agree with that prayer, feel free to say amen in the
252:40 prayer, feel free to say amen in the chat. And we'll now do the outro
252:41 chat. And we'll now do the outro question.
252:49 Harmony says, "I cannot wait." Praise God. Amen. So good. Yeah, she's been
252:52 God. Amen. So good. Yeah, she's been busy packing all those tracked orders
252:54 busy packing all those tracked orders that people have ordered for the US and
252:57 that people have ordered for the US and Canada. All right. Now, we need an outro
252:59 Canada. All right. Now, we need an outro question from you guys for
253:02 question from you guys for which is a random question about
253:04 which is a random question about anything.
253:05 anything. Now, if we got a suggestion from anyone,
253:08 Now, if we got a suggestion from anyone, I can't see any in the chat unless you
253:10 I can't see any in the chat unless you guys saw one in the chat earlier on. I
253:12 guys saw one in the chat earlier on. I can't see any at the moment.
253:22 Do you like it in terms of maybe I'm thinking of one right now. Do you like
253:24 thinking of one right now. Do you like it when is your ideal day a rainy day,
253:29 it when is your ideal day a rainy day, a cloudy day, a half sunny half cloudy
253:33 a cloudy day, a half sunny half cloudy day, or fully sunny day? What is your
253:38 day, or fully sunny day? What is your preference? Let us know. Let us know in
253:42 preference? Let us know. Let us know in the chat. So, today is actually fully
253:45 the chat. So, today is actually fully cloudy today. It's been rained a little
253:47 cloudy today. It's been rained a little bit earlier on, but I would say
253:51 bit earlier on, but I would say probably
253:53 probably sunny, but also half cloudy, too. It's a
253:55 sunny, but also half cloudy, too. It's a goodbye from Ryan.
253:59 goodbye from Ryan. Yeah, we've had uh rain and sunshine for
254:02 Yeah, we've had uh rain and sunshine for all this week. Every day it's been
254:04 all this week. Every day it's been switching over. Um so I want some
254:07 switching over. Um so I want some sunshine. Dry things out. So goodbye
254:09 sunshine. Dry things out. So goodbye from Phil.
254:17 Yeah, sorry about that. Something happened. Yeah, I vote for sunshine
254:20 happened. Yeah, I vote for sunshine every time. It's by from
254:24 every time. It's by from um it's a good buy from Isaac. Um I
254:28 um it's a good buy from Isaac. Um I guess a sunny day.
254:33 >> Uh yeah, I suppose it depends what I'm doing, but um generally speaking, not
254:36 doing, but um generally speaking, not too hot, not too cold, so somewhere in
254:38 too hot, not too cold, so somewhere in the middle. And then I just want to make
254:40 the middle. And then I just want to make mention of everybody in the team that's
254:42 mention of everybody in the team that's been serving today. So it's a goodbye
254:44 been serving today. So it's a goodbye from Dante, Edson, Ernest, Marcus,
254:48 from Dante, Edson, Ernest, Marcus, Matthew, Nathaniel, Nathan, Paul, and
254:51 Matthew, Nathaniel, Nathan, Paul, and Tim. And also thanks to Harmony who's
254:53 Tim. And also thanks to Harmony who's always hard at work. Bye from Breeze.
255:00 Awesome. Good job there, you guys. And thanks you Breeze for letting us uh
255:03 thanks you Breeze for letting us uh mentioning everyone's name. Now, let's
255:06 mentioning everyone's name. Now, let's see what you guys said in the chat.
255:08 see what you guys said in the chat. Cloudy day from Jesse there. What else?
255:12 Cloudy day from Jesse there. What else? Marcus saying not a cloud in the sky.
255:15 Marcus saying not a cloud in the sky. Melissa saying all rain or all sun, so
255:18 Melissa saying all rain or all sun, so nothing in the middle.
255:20 nothing in the middle. Fair enough. That's good. Snowy day.
255:22 Fair enough. That's good. Snowy day. That's another option, too. We never
255:24 That's another option, too. We never have that here in Australia. Snowy days.
255:26 have that here in Australia. Snowy days. At least not where I live.
255:29 At least not where I live. Great. And Harmony's answer is this is
255:31 Great. And Harmony's answer is this is the day the Lord has made. Let us
255:33 the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Awesome.
255:37 rejoice and be glad in it. Awesome. Well, thanks guys for that. We are not
255:39 Well, thanks guys for that. We are not on tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow
255:41 on tomorrow, but the day after tomorrow on at it'll be 9:30 p.m. Eastern time, I
255:46 on at it'll be 9:30 p.m. Eastern time, I believe, and that's 12:30 p.m. Brisbane
255:50 believe, and that's 12:30 p.m. Brisbane time for our next stream. We do a
255:52 time for our next stream. We do a Discord Bible study if you're part of
255:53 Discord Bible study if you're part of our Discord server. Remember, we're
255:54 our Discord server. Remember, we're going through Acts at the moment. You
255:56 going through Acts at the moment. You can join us. That's tomorrow evening.
255:58 can join us. That's tomorrow evening. And the details for that are in the
255:59 And the details for that are in the Discord. If you're not part of our
256:00 Discord. If you're not part of our Discord, it's free. Just join. It's a
256:02 Discord, it's free. Just join. It's a great community of people there. The
256:03 great community of people there. The link is in the description of today's
256:05 link is in the description of today's video. But until our next stream,
256:09 video. But until our next stream, encourage you guys to get into God's
256:10 encourage you guys to get into God's precious word and go serve your king.
256:14 precious word and go serve your king. >> Make disciples of all nations, baptizing
256:18 >> Make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the father
256:22 them in the name of the father and of the son of the Holy Spirit,
256:27 and of the son of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have
256:29 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.
256:31 commanded you. And behold, I am with you always to the
256:35 And behold, I am with you always to the end of the age. To the end of the age.
256:41 end of the age. To the end of the age. And behold, I am with you always to the
256:45 And behold, I am with you always to the end of the age.
