The discussion centers on novel weight loss and body composition modification treatments, specifically highlighting a new compound, WVE7, and comparing its potential with existing drugs like semaglutide and anabolic steroids, while also exploring the societal perception of these interventions.
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patients had an average of a 9.4%
reduction in visceral fat, a 3.2%
increase in muscle mass. Did you hear me?
me?
You guys are about to hear about a
peptide that goes beyond what Redatide
has done. This message, it was delivered
by David Knap. For those of you that are
not following along, make sure you
follow him along on Instagram. I think
it's on the pen on Instagram and then
also on YouTube. He has a podcast and he
talks a lot about obesity, some of his
struggles, um, and then also is giving a
lot of great information to the masses.
And in this episode in particular, he
talks about something that not only is
going to strip fat off of you, but it's
going to do some other really remarkable
things. Let's hear what he had to say.
This is gen genuinely one of the more
intriguing molecules probably that you
have heard about because it's really one
of the first that we're talking about
that is not a nutrient stimulated
hormone receptor agonist uh type of
medication and it's a oneandone injection.
injection.
>> What a oneanddone injection. So let's
talk about Wave Life Scienc's molecule WVE7.
WVE7.
It's like the James Bond of weight loss
apparently. That's what we're going to
call it here anyway.
>> And by day 85 of your one injection,
patients had an average of a 9.4%
reduction in visceral fat, a 4.5%
reduction in total body fat, a 3.2%
increase in muscle mass. What the
Did you hear me?
That's a 3.2%
increase in lean mass. And if you're
looking at the placebo group, of course,
as the standard, there wasn't any real
meaningful shift. Let's just talk about,
let's camp out on what a big deal that
is compared to the current class of
medications. Man, this is uh really
unbelievable. I know some people, you
know, some people have their thoughts
about these drugs. Some people think
they're cheating. Some people think
this, think that. I I'm excited about
this. I'm excited about the
possibilities. I'm also excited about
just bringing to the forefront how
important body composition is because we
have a tendency to kind of shame
bodybuilders or shame especially women
get it the worst uh women being jacked
you know women being muscular people
like oh I look like a guy or whatever
right and it's an unfortunate thing
because having some muscle and being a
little bit more muscular and and having
strength can be something that can be
helpful as we go into our older years
and also quite frankly it's just
something that's kind of fun and kind of
cool to have, especially when we're in
this block of time, which I would say
between like our 30s and like our 60s,
maybe our 70s, we can squeeze that to
that's really the time, that's really
the time that we have as adults is
about 30 to 60, right? Uh, and then when
you get, you know, into your late 60s
and you get into your 70s and 80s and so
forth, uh, there's probably going to be
different drugs that you're going to
want to be on. You're probably not going
to be on a weight loss drug when you're
80. Um, but maybe you're on something,
some peptide or something. Maybe
there'll be something new at that time
uh, to help us either hold muscle mass
or to help our nervous system fire a
little bit better. Because you guys know
I'm a little bit more about strength.
Strength is never a weakness. Weakness
is never strength. It's not so much just
about your muscle mass, but what your
muscles can do for you. And that's why
I'm getting more into sprints and
various things like that. But this is
this is completely astonishing. 85 days.
85 days. Let's just for argument sake
just say that's three months. So you see someone
someone
today and then you don't see them for
three months. And you know, maybe you're
at the gym or maybe you see them at the
coffee shop and that, you know, 300
pound person,
uh, they lost 4.5%
total body fat, but they gained 3.2%
muscle mass. So that 300lb person could
have potentially gained around 9 lbs of
muscle, 10-ish pounds of muscle and lost
10-ish pounds of body fat in that time frame.
frame.
I don't know what the percentage or how
the math would work on how that would
skew your body fat composition, but just
in my head, I'm thinking that might take
someone from 30 to like 22% or
something. 30 to, you know, body fat
percentages sometimes are a little hard
to figure out because there's more stuff
in there than just there's like
connective tissue and not everything's
like, you know, just flat out muscle.
There's like lean mass and and so forth
and fat mass. Um, but the fact that
there's a drug that will alter this
quite a bit is super interesting. What's
also interesting is that there's
something that's been around for a very
long time called anabolic steroids. So
So
bear with me now here for a second.
Let's say that it's 2026 and we stumble upon
upon
a compound
and this compound was never known
before. No one's ever seen it before. No
one's ever talked about it before. No
one's ever said anything negative about
it before. But we stumble upon this
compound called Trenbalone.
Because Trenbolone, if we're being real,
if they could study Trenmbbolone the way
that they studied this 007 compound,
compound,
it might even have crazier results than
what this compound had.
What is the riskto-reward to all these
things? You know, I don't know. We know
that trend doesn't seem like the safest
thing. Seems to really alter and mess up
your um your lipid profile along with,
you know, maybe a handful of other
things. Uh, but it is interesting. It's
it it's very very interesting. And I one
thing I hope that happens within all
this stuff going on, but it probably
won't happen. Is like, man, I wish we
could just make a super steroid. Like, I
like the fact that we're making new
compounds. I like the fact that uh Ryan,
this is called uh WVE. Is that what it
was called?
>> Yeah, WVE 007. WVE. What a cool name.
That's a that's a kind of cooler name
than trend. It seems like what's going
on whe whether it comes to lipid
lowering drugs like statins
or whether it's things that lower APO B
or whether it's things that help with
you know kidney function, liver function
or these various peptides. PT 141 comes
to mind and then they made uh melanitan
2 uh which is a second version of that
which is supposed to take away some of
the side effects and it seems like they
they keep trying to make drugs they keep
trying to make things better. For those
people that don't know statins have been
around for a long time and they keep
trying to improve them. what what
whatever your view or opinion or
emotions are about statins, that's
that's kind of up to you, but they are
trying to make them uh better for
people, right? I understand, yes, the
pharmaceuticals make a lot of money and
so on. I I understand all those things,
but a lot of these drugs, they're trying
to make them better for us or more
attractive for us
uh for various reasons. um this
particular drug lowering your body fat
the way that it does. I mean 4% doesn't
sound like a lot, right?
But according to what this guy said, he
said 4% of your total I think he said 4%
of your total fat, Ryan, did he say fat
or did he say weight? I think he said fat.
fat.
>> I think it was total fat reduction was 4.5%.
4.5%.
>> Yeah. And I wonder what he means by
that. I wondered, you know, did they in
the study, and I know Ryan, you have
some information in front of you, so
maybe you're able to look some of that
up even further. Sometimes some of these
studies are kind of vague, unless you're
like a researcher, unless you pay for
some of these things to dive in a little
deeper, uh, which I'm too cheap to care
that much about it to dive in that deep.
Um, but man, a 4.5% reduction in your
body fat in in three months is a lot.
Um, we have to keep in mind that
whenever we're talking about weight loss
that it's almost always dangerous
dangerous
to lose weight at a rate that's more
than like 5 or 8 lb
per month.
5 to 8 5 to 10 pounds per month. Now, of
course, there's people that weigh 500
lb, and there's people that I mean, you
know, there's probably someone out there
that probably lost like 60 lb in a week
or something wild, something insane like
that, right? But I'm talking normally.
Or maybe there's someone lost 60 lbs in
two weeks or something like that, right?
It might be common for a particular
person that's obese for them to lose 10
pounds almost every single week for like
a little bit of time. Maybe every 10
days they lose 10 pounds. And maybe that
trend continues
for a few weeks. Um maybe because
they're fasting. Who knows what what's
going on? But that's really really rare.
Now the subjects in this test according
to what we've seen in front of us,
they're not exercising. Like there's not anything.
anything.
They just I think were recommended just
to do what they normally do. And maybe
some of these subjects maybe they do
like lift a little bit. But I do think
that this guy um this guy goes on later
to say that he believes that maybe some
of the subject matter in this particular
study was maybe there's more women in
this study from what I recall. But you
know, go ahead and and give this guy a
follow because I think this guy deserves
it. I I really I really appreciate what
he's uh what he's talking about. But
yeah, I think he said that the majority
were women, which is amazing, too, to be
able to put muscle mass on. Now, you
know, what's the negative impact of
putting on muscle mass without lifting?
Because normally, now steroids put
muscle mass on and they've done studies
like this without training, without
lifting. But like we want the results of
lifting. However, I would say that
lifting is not that encouraging for most
people to do and that's why most people
don't do it. We still have a very low
percentage of people despite the fitness
19s out there that are maybe like 20
bucks for the year to join as a member
and and you know tons of equipment and
you know uh fitness 19 uh you got uh
Planet Fitness, you got 20, you know,
you got 24, you got all these different
gyms. I know some people are annoyed by
the Globo gyms and some of that stuff and
and
whatever, but like they have thousands
upon thousands upon thousands of dollars
of equipment there.
And it's not hard. It is not difficult.
I don't care what anybody says. It is
not difficult to go into one of those
gyms and pick three exercises and do
three sets of 10. That is not difficult
to do. That's what those facilities are
set up for. three sets of 10, maybe on
two or three different exercises, and
boom, you can go out the door.
And and you got like you got a halfway
decent protocol for chewing up some
glucose and for making your uh body uh a
little bit more
a little bit more able to handle the
food that you eat, a little bit more
able to handle the holidays and so
forth. But these findings with this uh
particular drug,
I think this is absolutely incredible.
Again, picture that you saw someone
and they gained an extra or they lost an
extra 12 pounds of body fat but gained
10 pounds of muscle in that same time frame.
frame.
The only time I can think about that,
the only time I can think about seeing
that happen is in the case of people
using steroids. And I've mentioned that
many times here at Super Training over
the years when you know when we were
training and we had Stan Effording and
Eric Spoto and we had some just monsters
coming through that gym.
It was never talked about. No one was
ever like, "Oh, I have a meat coming up
so I'm going to increase my creatine.
You know, I have a meet coming up so I'm
going to increase the amount of whey
protein I'm consu I'm consuming." No, it
was always like, "Hey, a meat's coming
up. like let's throw in some more uh
more powerful drugs really is what it
was. And for those that don't know that
uh have never been on the dark side of
uh of of some of this stuff, so to
speak, I don't think it's a dark side. I
think it's the I think it's the correct
side to be on. But for those that don't
know, your periodization,
it would go with your drug protocol.
I mean, that's the way that it would
work. And bodybuilding is very similar.
You know, these guys kind of they
anticipate, okay, I'm going to go
through this accumulation phase where
I'm really going to be stacking on some
muscle mass. I'm 20 weeks out from a
show. I'm 30 weeks out from a show. So,
we're bulking. We're taking uh drugs
that are going to uh encourage this bulk
and we're going to slap on some body
weight. We don't care if we slap on a
little bit of body fat. we're going to
try to reduce the risk of that a little
bit by taking certain drugs. And then as
the contest gets closer and closer, they
just take drugs that are more and more
appropriate for the style of training
that they're doing and for what they're
about to do next. And that's exactly how
powerlifting works as well. Um, guys
don't start taking Diana and oral steroids
steroids
20 weeks out. Well,
they shouldn't take drugs when they're
like 20 weeks out from a show. take it
as you get a little closer and uh and
and also you might want to take a
certain amount of compounds. You might
want to take a certain amount of
compounds for like a particular block of
training. That that's how that's how
it's done. I mean it's it's really an
interesting thing. Um but only in those
times have I've seen people like I've
I've seen people gain 10 12 15 probably
a good 20 pounds. People that are
already in like pretty jacked. I've seen
people gain 20 lbs in probably
about a 10 to 12 week time frame where
they come back through the door and you
haven't seen them in a in a minute and
you're like holy [ __ ]
like what in the So that's what peeds
can do and that's what they have done. I
mean, even for myself, I did a
bodybuilding show years ago and uh we
have a clip, I don't know if Ryan will
be able to find it real fast, but we
have a clip of Hani Rambod saying, "Hey,
you know, you should do a bodybuilding
show and he he called me out right on my
own podcast." So, I flipped the shirt
off and then, you know, eight weeks,
nine weeks later, you know, I was on
stage winning a bodybuilding show. Um, I
mean, if you, you know, if you, it,
depending on, you know, your eye and and
how much bodybuilding stuff you've seen
in the past, you may or may not
understand that like even when even when
I didn't look like I was in incredible
shape, I'm not in horrible shape. I'm
just not detailed and defined. And then
when I got on stage, obviously, I'm I'm
much leaner. So, yeah, like in this clip
right here, it's not like my body fat
percentage is 30%. you know, but I did
make some drastic it's pretty obvious
made some drastic
uh pretty drastic changes. My body fat
composition probably
changed by maybe my body fat percentage
maybe it didn't get cut in half but
probably close to it. Um maybe by the
time I got on stage maybe it did. Maybe
it went from like 14% down to like 7 8%
or something like that. But that's what
these uh some of these new drugs are
going to be doing for people. And I've
heard some people recently, some from
friends of mine, you know, talking about
these different um GLP-1 drugs and some
of these other things. And they're like,
you know, cuz it just happened to come
on the TV and then there was some
conversation about it. They're like,
"Oh, I think this is cheating." And I
think and you know, I I'm um
I think we need to be okay with people's
terminology. Like if somebody wants to
classify something as cheating, I don't
necessarily think that you have to be
offended by that right away. And this
goes for like a lot of other terms, too.
I I've thought about this a lot over the
years. Um my oldest brother, he was a
drug addict.
And when you
when you say words like that, it sounds
so brutal. It sounds so mean. It sounds
like so callous. But he was a drug
addict. My mother was addicted to food.
she was she was obese. She died of
obesity. That's why I'm always talking
about being less fat is uh that's one of
one of the big reasons for that.
And so I think sometimes people have a
hard time with the harshness of some of
these words. And when they hear that
GLP1 could be cheating, they're like,
you know, whoa, hey, my, you know, buddy
takes that or I'm on it. Um and they
start opening up and saying, hey, you
know, here's why I'm taking these
things. I don't think it does us any
good to try to help someone reinterpret
what they think cheating is. It's I
think it's okay if they think it's
cheating. I think it's fine and it might
be. But cheating on who and cheating
with what, right? I I don't cheating I
don't think is the right term. I've had
people say that about my product of
Slingshot. They're like, "Oh, isn't that
cheating?" And then some of the people
that work for us and so forth over the
years, they kind of get mad about that.
that I'm like, there's no reason to get
mad about it. That's just that what that
person thinks and let's just let them
think that that's okay. You know,
they're they're fine in thinking that.
Um, but it's a tool that you're
utilizing for training. In this case,
people are utilizing these tools to help
them lose some weight. And whether mommy
and daddy gave you money and you have a
trust fund and you have, you know, uh, a
lot of money in the bank or you earned
it yourself, it doesn't change the fact
that you,
it doesn't change the fact that you
probably have some conveniences that
other people don't have access to. And
the same thing is true when you take
these GLP-1 drugs, these GLP12, 33, or
what whatever version they get to on
these things.
I'm not going to say they're not
cheating. Maybe they are cheating. I
guess if you are, you know, taking them
and you're not communicating with people
uh that you're doing them and then
you're trying to sell them on a program
like a particular diet saying, "Hey,
follow my diet instructions because look
at where I was and look at where I went
to." You know, I I went I went from this
to this with this particular diet and
you can do it, too. But I'm not sharing
with you that I'm on T3 and T4. I'm not
sharing with you that I'm on
testosterone. I'm not sharing with you
all these other things. I did an article
years ago where I talked about
a particular diet that I did where I
lost like 40 lbs, but I talked about the
drugs that I used cuz like how am I
going to talk about losing 40 lbs
from 280 to like 240ish? How am I going
to talk about losing 40 lbs? because I
remember I was I was sort of stuck at
275 and 280 for a while and I was
frustrated with it and then I just kind
of talked with Jesse Berdick. He helped
me out a bunch. But I was also on T3 T4.
I was on like I can't remember armored
thyroid is called. It's it has both T3
and T4 in it.
That wasn't the main that wasn't the
only thing that helped me lose 40 lbs,
but it assisted me. So it's like why am
I going to share that? And then I
remember even getting my blood work back
where they were like, "Hey, you got to
cool it on this whatever this uh
whatever you're doing with your thyroid.
This isn't good. Your thyroid is too
high." And I was like, "Okay, I need to
pull back on the amount." And I did that
and I was able to keep the keep the
weight off. I don't use thyroid
medication. I haven't used it in a
while. Um, but at least according to my
labs, it kind of looks like maybe I
should do something uh for my thyroid,
whether it's take iodine or uh look into
doing some either nutritional
intervention or maybe something more.
Um, but I always try to give it to you
guys straight the best I possibly can.
Try to cover as many as much ground as I
can. I can't say in every single post
that I am performance-enhanced, but you
know, I did talk about it in Bigger,
Stronger, Faster. I did say what I need
to say in a movie that came out
nationwide in the movie theaters
and I do my best to try to continue to
to tell you guys about that as well. I
do have some plans on incorporating some
Mi and incorporating some uh some of
these GLP1s and stuff like that. Kind of
see what I can get from them. I I feel I
feel very compelled
uh to weigh around 200 pounds, 195
pounds to scoot my ass across the finish
line in a 400 meter um in a much faster
time than what I can do now. I don't
think magically that's going to improve
my time out of nowhere, but to lose 20
pounds, I think would be really helpful.
Uh, as of this morning, I weighed 218
and I'm, you know, typically between
220, 225ish at the moment after, uh,
eating some birthday um, cookies from
the wifey. She made me some, uh, cookie
bars. And I've been just, yeah, eating a
lot of carbs, fat, protein, and fiber
uh, in most of my meals. And so, that's
been that's been different. So, I am
looking to potentially take some
reatride and mess around with that for a
little bit. Um, this is not advice that
I'm trying to give you guys for you to
do it yourselves and all that kind of
stuff. But if you guys do want to know
more about that, if you would like me to
get into amounts and all that stuff, um,
we could stick that on Rumble if you
guys want to hear, you know, some some
super in-depth things that I might be
uh, dabbling in coming up. Um, I'll I'll
make you guys aware of that if I do
indeed decide to uh, go that route. But
I wanted to bring this attention to you
guys today about this drug because,
you know, I I I think that people need
to really do their research and they
really need to have an understanding.
Like there's a lot of people right now
that are walking around with an extra 30
to 40, maybe even 50 pounds, right?
There's obviously the obese who are
walking around with a lot more than
that, but there's a huge percentage of
our population where it'd be nice if
they could just calm the inflammation
down. It'd be nice if they could just
calm down the bloat. And this is
something I've been talking about for
many years. And this is why I've come at
things from a different angle where I
say, "Let's just talk about let's be
less fat." Because being less fat has
nothing to do with being skinny. And
being less fat has nothing to do with
being ripped. Being less fat has to do
with just trying to make a decision
where when you order a burrito, you're
not getting a burrito that weighs four
pounds. You're not getting it with sour
cream, cheese, avocado,
uh, and pork. You're you're making a
decision. You're like, you know what?
I'm going to lean this sucker out a
little bit. I'm going to get it with
rice. I'm going to get it with chicken.
I'm going to get it with
one of those three things. either the
guacamole, which would probably be the
best choice because you got some really
good fats in there. Um, the cheese or
the sour cream. The cheese at least has
protein. So, my vote is for the cheese
or the guacamole. But just little
decisions like that done over time. That
is exactly what things like a true tide
are doing is these are it's almost
making choices for you because I think
it's helping people skip out on some calories.
calories.
In one of the studies that I saw, people
keep talking about these ridiculous
studies that are being done with
reatride and they're focusing on 37%
weight loss and stuff like that where
I'm like, whoa. Like, that's yes,
there's people in America that
definitely need that intervention.
But for a lot of people, if you could
lose five or 10% of your of your body
fat, man, that you would be in a really
healthy zone. And if you could just
maintain that, I know that people might
want even more perfection beyond that or
what they consider to be perfection
beyond that. But they don't really need
it for it's not going to uh have any
better health outcomes.
Um, I have friends, family members
that quite simply,
I mean, I could think of a lot of them
right now in my head that just if they
if they just lost 15 to 30 pounds,
that's that's that's really not that
crazy of amount of weight being a person
that has lost over 100 and being someone
that's helped many people over the years
lose weight. 15 pounds takes 2 3 weeks
to sustain that takes longer but 15
pounds doesn't take that long. Now we
have something like reatride where I'm
thinking man one of the studies it said
one milligram of reatride
uh over the course of 48 weeks. So one
milligram of reatride taken every week.
I believe the injections were once a
week. one milligram one time per week in
this study that I read about. I'm not
again this is not a recommendation. This
is not uh any medical advice, but those
people lost 17%
of their body. I don't know if it's
their body fat or body weight, but
remember retatride helps us to preserve
muscle mass a little bit better
than some of the other drugs that are
out there. You're not seeing the same
decline in muscle mass. And remember, if
you are considering these drugs for your
pet cow or your pet pig or your pet
kangaroo, because obviously you would
never take these for yourself because
there are research chemicals that are
not FDA approved and we only talk about
FDA approved stuff here on Mark Bell's
Power Project, but we don't because
supplements aren't FDA approved either.
A lot of stuff that's aren't that's not
FDA approved. So, I'm just kidding
around. But these drugs are not FDA
approved. So like you know always do
your own research and always come to
some of your own understandings. But man 17%
17%
so you know basically someone weighs 200
they can lose like 40 lb 30 lb somewhere
between 30 and 40 lb. Man
that sounds
that sounds really interesting. 30
pounds. Someone can wait go from 200.
Someone can be 200 at the end of the
year and a lot fluffier than they want
to be and then at the at you know at the
end of next year or towards the end of
next year like just a couple weeks shy
of a full year 17% less weight.
They could be down to you know 170. They
could be down to 160. That's amazing,
you know, or or it's going to be even
more weight loss the heavier that
someone is, right? So that's I mean,
yeah, for someone that's 300 lb, you're
getting closer to 60 pounds of weight
loss, 50 pounds of weight loss. And I
think for someone that might be
sometimes I think people are hearing
these these crazy stats, but I would
like to hear about the stats where
there's no side effects. That's that's
the thing. That's the key. I heard this
one woman, she uh got kicked out of the
study, I believe, or kicked herself out
of the study maybe, but she yeah, she
lost like 37% of her body weight and was
having some sides and so she was out and
some of the side effects she was having
her skin was feeling like it was burning
and all this other stuff, but she was at
like 12 milligrams or something wild
like that. So, you know, what is the
minimum effective dose of some of these
things? I think this is awesome. I think
that this is incredible. I obviously
there's always a price to pay.
There's always a price to pay. We're
always uh we're borrowing from tomorrow,
right? We're we're borrowing from
tomorrow for what's going on today. If
you think about that with your most of
your energy drinks and those kinds of
things, that's kind of what you're
doing. You're like, I'm going to borrow
from tomorrow. Borrow from tomorrow.
I'll worry about it later. I'm going to
borrow from tomorrow. Borrow from
tomorrow. You do it over and over and
over again. And then you get to be like
70 and you're starting to forget things
a lot. You're getting to be 70 and your
eyesight is really, you know, I'm not
saying energy drinks do any of that. I'm
saying that there's potential for that
because you were robbing from tomorrow
over and over and over again that more
than likely if you're not just taking
the most natural path that you can, you
could be causing more harm than good.
There's a lot of information that we
don't quite know uh about some of these
things just yet. I'm trying to think if
he said anything else that was super compelling
compelling
in that interview, but I think that was
I think that was about it. So, we got
red of true tide. We have all the tides.
We got tricepide and semiglutide and all
these different things. And now we have
and and now we have the James Bond which
is not a peptide. this James Bond uh 007
drug, I guess we'll call it. What do you
think about that, Ryan? I think it's
pretty nuts.
>> Well, I think it's crazy that it's just
a it's a single dose administered and uh
I'm I'm just wondering is it is it a
dose that is administered once and then
you're one and done or is it something
you have to do like maybe every year or
Sounds like it's it's just a one one and
done thing.
>> I'm gonna take it every day. See what
happens. Now, I think um you're bringing
up a great point
what this gentleman brought up in his
post uh on the pen podcast. He said that
um it was going to be something that
people might only have to do like once
or twice a year. And uh that gets into
like gene editing and stuff. So like
what are we doing to our body? You know,
what is this is this going to change our
DNA? We had somebody that wrote in the
comments if you can repeat that what was written.
Um again this is just someone you know
writing in the comments and and we you
know we we there needs to be a lot more
information on this drug but I believe
that this is one of the first big shows
to deliver this to you. Yeah. He says, "WV7
"WV7
is an injectable RNAi treatment that
works by silencing mRNA co encoding the
inh protein. According to wave, people
with a quote protective loss of function
mutation in one copy of the inh gene
have quote healthier body composition
Yeah. Um,
so I mean, let's just think about that
super plainly, right?
Joe Schmo next to you, uh, has a better
body fat composition, right? Let's say
that genetically he was born with some
advantages, right? Well, this Joe Schmo
guy we're talking about here, he was
also born with some disadvantages. So,
if we can inject you with some of the
positive things that this guy has, that
would be cool. But is the negative going
to be part of it as well? You know,
imagine if I was like, "All right, I got
this pen right here. I'm going to poke
you with this thing." And what is it
that you want to do? Okay, you want to
dunk a basketball. And boom, I you know,
you're like, "Yeah, I want to dunk a
basketball." And I shoot it into you.
And you go, "Wait a second. What What
else does it do?" And I give you like
three more positives. And then we talk
about the side effects and say, you
know, 2 3 years from now, you could have
tingling that goes down the right side
of your leg and you could have uh some
neuropathy is like one of the side
effects. And you can go, oh, it doesn't
sound that bad until you get there,
right? Until you end up with that
condition. As you guys know, you know, I
I am I'm not always super cautious with
things. Um, I'm also not completely
nuts, but I do like to live in the now.
And I would like to get the most out of
this life, uh, that I possibly can. I
don't really think of myself as like a
longevity person.
Um, but maybe as I get older, maybe
that's all I'll ever think about. It's
like I just want to make it another day. Um,
Um,
I don't know. You know, to each their
own. People like live their life the the
way that they want to live him. Like I
said, some of what we're learning about
this particular drug and and the drugs
like reatride, like it's it's not like
it doesn't come without people are
describing being on red or true tide as
if the tag of your shirt on the back is
like itchy and bothering you all the
time. That's a weird side effect
that, you know, to to recmp your body,
it doesn't sound like that big of a
price, right? You're like, "Okay, itchy
clothes, no big deal."
But what if that turns into something
else? What if that turns into um you
have just less sensory perception and
less feel in general on your skin
altogether? Or maybe it's enhanced,
which maybe that could be kind of good.
Um maybe it maybe it has a negative
impact on sexual function. Maybe it has
a negative impact on your ability to
hear. maybe has a negative impact on
your ability to taste or
we we forget sometimes how important our
sensory perception is. It's all that we
have. It's how we interpret the world in
front of us. So, I want to make sure
that everyone always understands that
there's consequences to all these
things. Um, and I'm aware of them. And
sometimes I still go ahead and I forge
forward and I still do these things because
because
that's me. That's me living my life. you
live your life uh whatever way you see
fit. I think we also had maybe a couple
things um in that one text I sent over
to you just in that Google um there's
some pretty decent I don't know you find
anything else relevant in there I know
they talk about a six-month followup and
so on and >> um
>> um
>> oh visceral fat reduction
>> yeah that was interesting 9.4% 4%
reduction in visceral fat.
That's a big deal. I mean, visceral fat,
we've had uh guests come on the show. I
mean, visceral fat's been talked about
on this show many, many times. Visceral
fat is um some people think it's the
front runner for disease uh in terms of
having visceral fat around the liver,
visceral fat around the organs in
general, around the heart, and that
these things can cause uh tons of
problems. Dr. Omera that we had on the
show um speaking a lot about how he
believes fasting, he believes a low
carbohydrate diet and he believes a lot
in sprinting to help get rid of visceral
fat. Well,
that's awesome and that could still be
probably used in conjunction with some
of these medications, but we're now
hearing a lot of different drugs on the
market, peptides and so forth are
completely annihilating visceral fat. So,
So,
as much as I am a fan of fitness, I want
people to do fitness, but I also would
love for people to be more encouraged to
do fitness. And it's my belief that
people aren't that encouraged to do it.
Something to keep in mind with Red True
Tide is I'm I'm starting to hear people
talking about it being beneficial for
like arthritis and stuff and pain.
I think people are pretty beat to [ __ ]
you know? Like when you're when you're
11 and you're nine, you just don't have
a lot of you don't have that many responsibilities
responsibilities
and you probably haven't really truly
been kicked in the nuts by the world
just yet. And you're optimistic and
you're playful and you run and you jump
and you do things. But right around the
age of 11 and for some kids even younger
10 n 10 years old, you start to gain
weight. And not only gaining weight
because that's what happens as you as
you get older when you're a young young
person. Um but you also are you're also
also some people are just gaining weight
because they're unhealthy.
And if you're 10 years old and you get
to be like 150 lbs or something like that,
that,
that's a pretty heavy kid and you're
going to be less compelled to move. It's
just going to hurt when you move. And as
we get older,
you start to weigh 200 lb, 300 lb, and
so on. It just hurts worse and worse.
This is why Elliot Kipchig, one of the
greatest marathon runners of all time,
he only weighs like 130 pounds because
it's easier for him to uh travel through
space for two hours than it would be for
anybody that weighs 170.
Um, in fact, you know, I I wonder what
the stats are. I wonder like what's the
fastest Maybe you can try to look it up,
Ryan. What's the fastest marathon ever
run by someone who's over 200 lb?
Um, there's probably, you know, some
guys out there who maybe Nick Bear is
one of them. Um, but there's probably
guys who've done 245 or 230, but that's
30 minutes.
That's that's 30 to 40 minutes behind
the guys that are really effing fast.
says there's not an official ratified
time for somebody over 200 lb, but it's
it's referencing Hunter McIntyre, who's
run a 255 marathon while weighing about
214 pounds.
>> Hunter GPT Hunter McIntyre. Hunter McIntyre.
McIntyre.
I absolutely love that guy. And just for
the sake of running it just because it
was funny, see if you can pull up the
clip of him. This is totally unrelated
to this topic for today.
But Hunter McIntyre, man, I love that
guy. Find his Instagram. He's got some
uh he's got some glasses on and he's got
like a mohawk thing going on and he just
talks about people taking peeds and he
just Oh, I guess it is related to what
we're talking about. He's like, I'm out
here in the hills doing the hard work.
Uh let's see, which clip would it be?
What's his uh his Insta like I hunt the
sheriff or something?
>> Yeah, hunt the sheriff.
>> Hunt the sheriff. Yeah, he's out there
in the boo. He's in Malibu.
Um, you might have to go up and then
click on like the other part of
Instagram. Like there's
>> Oh, like uh
>> Yeah, I always forget what the hell that
thing's called.
Hunter McIntyre, by the way, is is super
jacked. All right, check this out from
Hunter McIntyre. This is a great place
to leave it. Him talking about uh peeds
and peptides and so forth. You'd be
surprised by the amount of people that I
go over to their house and you open up
the refrigerator and they have peptides
in there and nobody because peptides are
basically like a remarketed version of
an anabolic. You guys are just scum. And
the thing is is everyone's got an
affiliate link attached to it and nobody
wants to do the hard work. Like I'm up
here in the hills doing the real work
and I can't wait to find the boys that
have been taking it because guess what?
When the going gets tough, you guys are
going to crumble. I will split you in
half. You can take whatever you want.
You can have lower body fat than me. You
can have a little bit more muscle than
me, but you don't got guts, you hot
pieces of trash. And the reality is is
you guys are going to be stuck on that
[ __ ] forever. You'll never be able to
reach your goals. Because even when you
get there, you're going to know that
they're fake. Because when you go there
and you're wearing a BPN hat, crossing
the finish line and an Iron Man with a
shitty time, all cranked full of
peptides, you guys know that you're a
faker and I just buried you on a Huffy.
It is pretty wild the amount of people
that are into peptides.
>> This guy's great. I, you know, shout out
to uh Nick Bear, BPN. Love, love him.
Love Nick Bear. Love BPN. But that was
funny. You got to give the guy credit.
That was funny.
Finishing with a shitty time with a BPN
hat. Damn.
Yeah, Hunter McIntyre, he's for real.
You know what someone said in the
comments section, though? This is great.
the comment section will get you every
time because you know f first of all one
person said in the comment section they
said relax bro you do high rocks which I
thought was really funny. Yeah, relax
bro you do high rocks. Hyrox is legit
though. It's hard. Like it it's
difficult. It's difficult competition.
He's won it several times. And then
somebody else said
they said as soon as they started
testing Hunter went from champion to
sixth place. Boom. I don't know if
that's true, but that's funny, too. You
got to love these burns when they're
funny. Um, I think I may have mentioned
this before on this podcast. Um,
I made a post not too long ago and
somebody said, "Liver King with a
twist." And I actually DM'd that guy and
I was like, "You're brilliant." Thank
you. That was awesome.
Anyway, we'll end it right there.
Strength is never weakness. Weakness is
never strength. Catch you guys later. Bye.
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