This content is a deep-dive interview exploring the life, career, and personal growth of actor Tom Holland, focusing on his upbringing, resilience, mental health advocacy, and the importance of authenticity and connection.
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I just felt like I was so addicted to
this kind of false version of my life
that it was just taking over and the
thing that really upset me is the Press
ran with that they were saying oh look
he's not the perfect happy go-lucky kid
you think he is he's having a nervous
breakdown in New York if I was having a
mental breakdown that's not for you to
report on they took the story in the
wrong direction and they kind of painted
people looking for help in the wrong
light the bestselling author and host
the number one Health and Wellness
podcast on purpose with j shett
a lot of studies show that how we were
loved or unloved between the ages of 0
to five impact the next 15 25 50 years
of our life Wow and how we give love to
ourselves and how we give love to others
and so I was thinking do you have a core
memory or an experience with your family
from childhood that kind of embodies the
feeling you have about them now or that
keeps you tied close to them I'd say
sort of More Than A Memory is just a
feeling that we I could say all of my
brothers and I had was that because our
dad's a comedian his job only ever
existed once we had gone to bed and our
mom worked from home she was a
photographer so to us as kids our
parents didn't really work they just
were always home so we had this amazing
Foundation where no matter any time of
the day either mom or dad would be at
the house and we felt so kind of solid
as a family which is why like I kind of
have this dream of one day having kids
and putting my work to bed and just kind
of being there as a dad cuz I really
admire how my dad was around you know
being a comedian is a very very volatile
job the the highs and lows are so
extreme and as kids we never saw that
the only version of my dad I ever saw
was the happy Dad let's go to the park
we used to play this game called golf
goals where we would go down to the park
there's like this big blue metal goal
and we would just fire golf balls into
that go every day and he would give us
10 P every time a ball went in the goal
and that was kind of the foundation of
our Golf and and all that sort of stuff
so for me broader than a core memory was
the idea of always feeling connected and
safe within my family unit and I think a
large portion of that is that my mom and
dad have always been such a solid team
and they've always been there for us
yeah wow have they as you've grown older
have they kind of opened up about some
of the challenges that they were going
through that they obviously didn't show
you and your family when you were kids
because I can imagine we always talk
about this right like being a comedian
is extremely difficult because you're
making everyone else laugh at the same
time it's it's a career path that like
you said is completely volatile sure
have have they opened up as time's gone
on and how has that felt when you've
gone from like seeing your parents
always being happy to being like Oh wait
there was all this other stuff going on
absolutely they have and and it's not
even sometimes thing that they've told
us it's just things that we've grown up
to recognize as a young kid you know
you're not looking to how's my mom
feeling how's my dad feeling and now as
an as an older person you know those are
things I care about I want to call my
mom cuz I know it will brighten her day
so that's all part of growing up I guess so
so
seeing the way in which my dad's job
affects him or my dad's job affects my
mom is something we've all sort of come
to terms with and he's amazing at it I
mean to be honest I say effect it
doesn't really affect anyone he's so
good at handling it and which is a lot
of why I feel like I am the way I am am
for example the crowded rooms come out
the critics absolutely hated it they
thought it was the worst thing they've
ever seen and it doesn't really upset me
and I think a large part of my feeling
towards that has come from my dad being
able to do a gig the gig not going well
him brushing it off his shoulder and
just right onto the next one yeah well
and and first of all I want to point
that out as well so I've been watching
the crowded room right and me and my
wife been watching it together and we
are actually really enjoying it we're
actually loving it because I love a show
that has
that's trying to like get me to figure
it out and get me to think about I'm
kind of confused and I love like that
like I'm a massive Christopher Nolan fan
all my favorite movies are Nolan movies
and the reason why I love them is cuz I
have no idea what's going on and that's
you got to figure it out and you got to
figure it out and I love puzzles and I
love escape rooms and I love anything
escape room yeah I love anything that's
got me thinking what is going on here
and why can't I figure it out mate do
you know what you should watch I I
admittedly watch it to go to sleep if
I'm ever feeling stressed or like over stimulated
stimulated
I watch this guy called Chris Ramsey
he's like a YouTube guy he's a magician
but I just watch him solve puzzles he
like buys these Japanese like
handcrafted puzzle boxes and he just
solves them and I've started buying them
and they come to the house and you sit
down for 4 hours put it down pick it up
and try and solve this puzzle and it's
amazing have you are you good at them no
I'm terrible at them I'm absolutely
terrible I've had an unsolved Rubik's
Cube since I was at 11 but I um but yeah
so I watch his videos cuz there's just
something about like the sound of the
wood I'm a carpenter so I love like
craftsmanship and that sort of stuff so
I love the way that these pieces are put
together so watching him solve the
puzzles I find so relaxing yeah I think
for so many of us you know getting
bad reviews
perceptions people talking about us
whatever that maybe whatever scale we
live at can actually affect us and you
saying that actually seeing dad letting
him seeing him shrug it off and seeing
him move on actually really helped him
do you think that you've been able to
create a bit more of a skill around that
now or is it something that happens
naturally for you because I'm I'm
guessing that there's a lot of people
who are listening and watching going Tom
that's pretty amazing that you can do
that at your scale and your level but
you know I'm still affected by that or I
really struggle when my mate says
something like I know the number one
thing I hear is like most people don't
chase their dreams because they're
scared of what their mates will say let
alone what the world
yeah I had this I was I was flying back
last night as I was telling you so I was
on a plane from DC to London last night
and the air hostess she was wonderful
and then was Janette she said to me she
was like Jay I really want to start a
YouTube channel but you know you just
got to block out what your friends are
GNA say right and she was just worried
about so that it's a very real thing so
I guess have you kind of figured out a
little formula for it or is it just
natural because you saw your dad and
it's become easier that way I think it's
a little bit of both really you know I
think it's something you definitely get
better at I'm really lucky that I have an
an
incredibly strong group of friends like
one of my best mates just called me up
earlier to say he'd seen the fifth
episode and it's like I know what
happens in the show and I'm Still Loving
It the people I'm watching it with have
no idea what's going on but they can't
wait for the next one yeah so you know I
really really hold High the opinions of
people that I really care about I'm also
really lucky to have an amazing group of
fans who are so supportive they are die
hard they are there day one and that
makes feel really good but I I do think
a lot of my lessons in life have come
from my dad and the ways that he can
deal with things things that he hasn't
done very well in the past that he's
passed on to me
and I sort of I live by this really I
don't actually know if Christian Bale
did say this but I I love Christian
abely say he said it yeah but I think
the quote is if you have a problem with
me text me and if you don't have my
number you don't know me well enough to
have a problem with me that is so good
and I think that that is such a great
piece of advice because as a celebrity
you live on this stage you live out
there you kind of give out a version of
yourself that you want people to see and
that can be the version of yourself that
they can have a problem with or they can
love and there is a you know I feel like
I'm quite authentic in my public persona
but I just try to really care about what
my family thinks what my friends think
what the people in my local Community
thing I live in Kingston I know everyone
that lives there I can't walk 5 feet
without bumping into one of my mom's
friends so yeah so it's something I've
been working on I try my best to not let
that stuff affect me it does yeah of
course I'm not cold-hearted or anything
like that it does affect me but I just
try to to move on and focus on the
positives yeah absolutely absolutely
what what was uh did you ever see your
dad deal with everything and you thought
wow that was incredible like was there
anything specific that you remember that
like seeing him like tackle something
and you thought wow that really
impressed me even if it was something
really small in hindsight I think the
thing I admire most about my dad is his
resilience you know he's someone who has
had an incredibly successful career in
his earlier life and then later in life
his career sort of plateaued and he
struggled and he's never stopped he's
never given up he's still gigging to
this day he's still writing books he has
a patron he has a podcast he's
constantly grafting to get to where he
wants to be and I think being a young
kid and seeing your dad continually
working as hard as he can to kind of put
his best foot forward for me has been a
huge drive for my work ethic I'll give
it 100% or I'll give it nothing and I
think a lot of that has come from my dad
and seeing him deal with that the funny
thing about my dad as he talk about
doing a bad gig I must have seen him 20
times I've never seen him do a bad gig
he always seems to absolutely rip it um
but maybe that's just cuz we're in the
audience but he um but no I I I owe a
lot to my dad and a lot of teachings are
things he's told me and things I've just
witnessed him do yeah and was there ever
a piece of feedback or a rumor or
something you saw that did affect you
where you actually thought well or at
least made you stop and go God I'm
trying to see the positives but this
one's tough like like this actually made
me have to pause and figure it out
something that did really upset me I was
in New York I was shooting the crowded crowded
crowded
room and I was having a really hard time
with the job just because of how taxing
it was the emotional capacity that I was
having to get to every day
day
and I decided to delete my Instagram
because I just felt like I was so
addicted to this kind of false version
of my life that it was just taking over
I would be on set working I'd come and
sit in my chair and just scroll scroll
scroll scroll scroll and it was it was
becoming a problem I was just obsessed
with it and I was obsessed to find out
what people were saying and how people
what they thought about me so I decided
to make an announcement which
unfortunately we have to do and say that
I'm taking a break from social media and
I and I try to position myself and say
like I'm taking a break from social
media because I feel like my mental
health will benefit from it and the
thing that really upset me is the Press
ran with that and they tried to make out
that I was having this mental breakdown
and what upset me was if I was having a
mental breakdown that's not for you to
report on they they they took the story
in the wrong direction and they Tred
they painted again this negative on
Mental Health rather than saying oh he's
doing it it's okay that he's doing it so
we should all feel okay to do it too
they were saying oh look he's not the
perfect happy go-lucky kid you think he
is he's having a nervous breakdown in
New York and I think that that was a
really unfair line of Journalism let's
say because I just think it again kind
of painted
people looking for help in the wrong
light if you know what I mean yeah yeah
absolutely absolutely it almost sounds
like you were actually
actually
preemptively going I'm doing this so
that I don't go in that direction
totally at least I'm not trying to put
words in your mouth but absolutely it's
almost like I'm proactively seeing that
I could end up in a position where sure
I might have a breakdown I don't want to
be in that position and so I'm
responsibly saying guys I'm taking a
break in order to protect myself 100%
yeah which makes a lot of sense and
actually is quite admirable again
totally and that's kind of what the
message of the show is about like the
the message of our show is that asking
for help should be something that we
celebrate if you're struggling if you
need help if you feel bad and you wake
up and and you go to a friend a
therapist a teacher an employee or a
colleague and say I'm really struggling
I need some help that should be
something that we give you a pat on the
back like I would love to help you that
I'm I'm delighted that you asked me and
that for me that announcement was kind
of my Olive Branch and the Press ran
with it how they ran with it but to be
fair it kind of gave me a great drive to
finish the crowded room in the way that
we did to like if you're not going to
listen to my personal message then you
have to listen to the message of my show
yeah so it kind of went hand in hand
yeah yeah absolutely you you've reminded
me actually when when you said that
because I think we naturally today think
of therapists or or doctors but you you
mentioned teacher there and I was
thinking when I was going through a
really rough time at school once I
remember my walk to school from the bus
stop I'd see a teacher every day that
was really close with that school but
you never talk to teachers walk School
crazy but I was so lonely at the time
that I remember like almost thinking
like well he's the only person I can
talk to because of other stuff that I
was going through at school and I
remember I started talking to him on the
way to school his name is Mr bucker he
knows I go on about him everywhere and
he avoids it because everyone's always
like oh Jay's been talking about you J
been talking about you and but it was it
was that exact feeling where it was like
he was someone that I felt I could open
to that open up to at that point in my
life without feeling judged without
feeling like he was going to see me
through another lens and just having
that space to be seen for as a human who
is going through stufft by a teacher was
a huge huge win and so you know it's you
are right that that help can come in all
different forms and it does it doesn't
have to come in the ways that we
expected to come in yeah it doesn't have
to be a professional yeah I go to my
friends a lot and and you know some
friends are better than others in
certain situations I got some friends
that are very much like pull your socks
up and get on with it and then other
friends who are like come here and have
a cry on my shoulder but like it it
varies so I just really hope that that's
what the show can do is is sort of paint
this positive picture of asking for help
is something to be proud of well that's
a great message and and I think we we
all need to hear it and I want to go
back a little bit because there's a lot
of interviews that you've done and and
I've watched a lot of stuff over the
time but like we're talking about a lot
of it sound bites because it's quick and
short and like these entertainment you
know interviews and that's why I was
really grateful that you took out the
time to do this but you were diagnosed
as far as I read with dyslexia age seven
yes and I was wondering how you know a
lot of our community and our audience is
diagnosed as well or some of them are
not but they're finding out later on in
life how did that affect you or how were
you set up for success with that from
because as an actor you've got to learn
lines you got to read lines there's a
lot of activities that people would
assume are quite challenging sure but
you found a way and and walk us through
that a little bit I don't know I had my
mom has always been really Hands-On with
our education MH she you know really
wanted us to just do our best our dad
always said like look I don't don't care
what grades you get as long as you try
your best you try your best and that's
all that we can ask for but yeah my
dyslexia it's really just my spelling I
mean honestly it's just that yeah you
know like those sort of games that you
play at Christmas have you ever played
um the one you have to write down the
answers that it's it's such a good game
is it boulder dash I don't know boulder
dash is it uh it's basically a game
where someone will read out a scenario
or um ask a question and then you have
to answer the question to the best of
your ability but you can also Bluff and
lie oh I've never played this game and
if you write somewhat a believing answer
and people vote for your answer you win
oh cool okay I've never played it which
is great but when I play it everyone's
like what does that say that is
definitely not spelled right um but yeah
so my spelling was really the biggest
hurdle um I worked really hard at school
I didn't do particularly well but again
my parents said as long as you try your
best then that's all we can ask for yeah
and acting you started early too age
nine right like that was something that
you started P pursuing really early on
in life and I feel was that something
that you were always sure about there's
that there's that famous viral Tik Tok
that always goes around of you you know
I can't I don't know how old you were
being asked you know what superhero
would you play when you're older you say
oh maybe Spider-Man right and it's like
and and I wonder like how much of your
acting career do you feel like you've
manifested or there was a vision or a
focus or is it more just like this was
naturally what you were into and it and
it grew where where did that come from I
do believe in manifesting actually I
really do I think what's interesting
about my career is this was never
something I wanted I just was a young
kid I love dancing my mom would take me
to a dance class every Saturday and I
got spotted through that dance class to
to audition for a show on the West End I
ended up doing the show I loved it Billy
Elliott it was the time of my life I you
know it was such a cool experience I'm
just by complete fluke an agent came to
see the show the night that I was on she
signed me she sent me to an audition for
a film I was lucky enough to get the
part all of a sudden I was on set with
you McGregor and Naomi Watts and we made the
the
impossible and to be perfectly honest
with you it was it was just a hobby it
was something that my mom would let me
do on the summer holidays she was very
keen that I kept my schooling up and
there sort of came that time in England
where you in between gcc's and a levels
and you're trying to figure out when I
was going through that you could still
drop out at a levels obviously now you
have to do a levels
and I had that moment where I was like
what do I want to do I could try and
stay at school and figure out what I
want to do or this thing that's been a
hobby but my sort of summer holiday
activity which is acting I could try and
do that for a living and I've been so
lucky that I've been you know offered
jobs and all that sort of stuff I
decided to go with it I I I joined the
Brit school because you know my mom was
Keen that I didn't go for school for an
education but went to school to expand
my social skills and meet kids my own
age all my friends when I was 15 were
like 30y old people cuz they're all
adults from the business um so I think
my mom was Keen that I had some friends
that are my age who are now my best
friends today so I never really wanted
this I just sort of never stopped doing
it and I love it I absolutely love it I
love the creativity I love the building
blocks that are required to put a film
together I love the collaboration on set
between people from all different walks
of life you know a film set is a Melting
Pot of all sort of different people um
so I love it I absolutely love it yeah
wow and and I I read something that you
said you were bullied for like doing
ballet yeah ear which obviously got you
into the playing the role of Billy ell
because it's ballet and tap right it's
both so was was that was that tough at
the time or like were you trying to hide
it and then you end up on you know you
end up at the West End and you're on the
main stage and everyone's seeing it or
was it kind of easy to navigate and how
did that go down because I feel like as
a kid doing ballet and tap must have
been a little challenging yeah I mean it
was it wasn't easy but it also wasn't
tough you know I went to a rugby school
so you can imagine like the one kid in
the school that does ballet there's
going to be comments here and there it
wasn't the easiest thing in the world
there were kids that didn't understand
why I was doing it or what I was doing
it for no matter how many times I
explained like I'm the only guy in a
class of 30 girls in tights I was like
guys this is what you want to be doing
like rugby is not it but I N it was
tough but again like goes back to what
we were saying about resilience and and
keeping your head down and crowded room
was the hardest job I've ever had for
all sorts of different reasons and there
was a point in time where we were
talking about do we shut this down and
walk away from it because of how
challenging it was and you know I dug my
heels in I put my head down I was like
no I'm going to finish this I'm going to
see it through and I think you know you
learn from past experiences like that so
I really am proud of the way we everyone
handled the crowded room and I think
that stems from my childhood my dad
experiences and all that sort of stuff
yeah well so I've got a confession as
well to mate go on so I went to rugby
school as well okay and did you I played
yeah I played for my a team and I was I
was pretty good pretty good I was pretty
good okay what position did you play
Blindside flanker okay wow so I was I
was really into rugby because I went to
rugby school and I loved football but my
school didn't play football and so I was
like no I've got to be on the school's
main team so worked really hard to get
on the team but after we play rugby on a
Saturday my mom forced me to go to
dance class and part of it was ballet
and tap as well although I did not end
up at the West End and play Billy Elliot
because I don't think Billy Elliott was
brown so that that wasn't going to
happen so it wasn't the same path as you
but but I also had that experience so
that's why I had to ask you about did
you enjoy it I really enjoyed it for the
community aspect of it like I love all
the lads that I was there with and they
were just they were just a great laugh
and it was really interesting because
we'd go from I'd literally go from
playing rugby straight to class on a
Saturday and I'd go in there with all my
bruises exhausted
just and it's almost like the rug pitch
was moreful everyone you know try to be
intense and trying to be this and that
whereas everyone just having a laugh at
the dance class and we do everything
from hip-hop to Street to whatever but
yeah I remember never telling I think
this the first time I've ever spoken
about out there I'm in a safe space with
you so but it's interesting because
Rugby's regimented isn't it yeah I love
by you play you play a position that is
as specific as saying the blid side
flanker you when you're a dancer you're
just a dancer you know you you can fit
in however you want to fit in the
teacher can ask you how are you feeling
about that rather than like you need to
get your head down to the left to make a
proper tackle I did love playing rugby
when I was smaller yeah when all the
well not when I was smaller when all the
kids were smaller and then there was
that time where I came back to school
after Billy Elliott and everyone had
just become a man and I was still very
much a child I remember we played this
school called Trinity College and it was
my first game back and I was playing
scrum I came on the second half and it
was a violent game it was not it was not
a gentleman's game of rugby and I was
standing they were kicking to us we were
receiving and I remember thinking as
long as the ball doesn't come to me off
of the kick I'll be fine I need the game
to get going and then I'll be fine I'm
scrum half relatively safe position I'm
a good playmaker as soon as he kicked
the ball it's coming straight towards me
I I'm trying to catch it I can hear the
boots running towards me I fumble it
knock on the game goes on I start
playing play well I assisted a try and
then I don't remember what happened or
how it happened but there was a a really
tough kid on our team who will remain
nameless I haven't spoken to him since I
don't know what he's doing but he got
into a fight with some kid on the
opposing team and it was really quite
ugly and then the kid's dad came on the
pitch to tell off this boy that was on
my team and the kid on my team knocked
out his dad no like proper like it's the
first time I've ever seen someone hit
someone and I couldn't believe that a
kid who was how old are you yeah he must
have been 16 at the time he's one of
those 16 year olds that would look older
than I do now when he was 16 and I just
remember hearing the noise he like
cracked this Dad on the jaw Hit the
Floor then this whole big fight broke
out I'm not a fighter I stepped away and
was sort of like what's going
on yeah it was wild and that was the
last game of rugby I ever played it was
against Trinity College oh my gosh yeah
it was really intense wow that that is
intense yeah that's how intense it got
my last game was similar but not not
watching a fight so someone ran I had it
was a big game and it I was playing
really well that season and everything
was going really well and someone ran
into a rock but with their elbow which
is obviously ilal totally they ran in
and they elbowed me right there like
right Bel it's on this side and right
below there and the next thing I know I
get up and I'm like kind of feeling a
bit aggressive are you cut as well well
I didn't notice and then Blood starts to
drip and I was like that's when you
freak out cuz oh God I'm I'm like I can
and there's a lot of blood just dripping
so I get subbed off and the nurse on the
side just puts a bit of glue there like
to stick it together and at the mo at
that time you don't really notice in you
think you're all right and then
literally an hour later it's just
getting thicker and thicker and thicker
and I'm ending up with this run to the
hospital on the way home because my
coach was just like suck it up it's fine
you'll be fine run there they're like if
you were any later you would have had
nerve damage and like personally
potentially eyesight whatever it was and
they had to like glue it and a little
bit of stitches or whatever it was and I
for the for the rest of the month I
walked around with my like you know eye
literally hanging over and I looked like
I'd got into like the worst fight like I
walked into a store and everyone would
kind of back off and stuff and it was
just really uncomfortable that was my
last game of rugby that's why I just
remembered that but yeah it was it was
it was it was intense but it was great
like you said it was great regimented
discipline training I love training with
my mates I love playing I loved as a
young man as well like having a outlet
to release the energy that I had I was
good in in obviously in a way that
wasn't trying to hurt others but that's
what's so great about boxing yeah it's
like boxing is such a great release you
know you see these young kids like young
kids who are angry who need to let
something go like go and punch a bag for
an hour but that will make you that will
calm you down I love how boxing is such
a great thing for young for young people
to to release that sort of ENT are you
boxing do you box I love boxing it's
been a few years since I've I've done
any sort of training I used to go to
this great gym in um in New York called
Church Street boxing just love it there
had a great Pro you could sort of spar
with him because you know that he
wouldn't batter you because he could
control himself I went to one sparring
session just a general session and I got absolutely
absolutely
batter yeah it was tough but I love it I
love the sport I'm a little bit sad as
to like how the sport is being run right
now right um but I do love the sport and
I admire the athletes I think they're
amazing what's your take on YouTubers
boxing and all that kind of stuff and
because it's obviously bringing a lot of
attention to the sport to be perfectly
honest with you I don't really mind it I
think it's quite fun I think if you're
doing it for the right reasons you know
there's a great opportunity to raise
some money for amazing Charities and I
think a few of them have done a lot for
charity um I think it's really great I
think yeah you know my brother Paddy
would never have been watching boxing
and now he loves it because of his
favorite Youtubers of boxing so if it's
good for the sport it's good for the
sport I I sort of don't really mind I
think it's funny to be honest yeah cuz
sit at home watching it you're like I
could do that I could get in there and
do that you're like well why don't you
and you're like well I don't really want
to do that so we might see you in Creed
Ford then yeah we'll do the we'll do the
acting boxing I'd love to do a boxing
movie yeah I think it would be cool to
do a boxing movie but where the fighting is
is
real walk me through that I wouldn't
necessarily be in that film right but I
do think that you could make a really
interesting film where the outcome of
the film is determined on the outcome of
the real fight has anything like that
ever been done like racing or any can
you I'm just trying to not that I know
of yeah not that I know of that's what
I'm trying to think it could be really
cool yeah wow but yeah I love I love
boxing movies I'm a sucker for it yeah
yeah which one's which which one's your
favorite I think Rocky 2 is probably my
favorite I remember when we were in
Billy Elliott we had this room called
the Billy room and there was always a
billy backstage while the show was going
on because the show was so labor
intensive it was very dangerous there's
lots of moving Parts there's lots of
acrobatics it wasn't too uncommon for a
billy to get injured and then there
would be someone upstairs who would
replace that Billy and we would just
hang out upstairs and there was an Xbox
and a television and all that sort of
stuff and one of the DVDs that we had
the two DVDs we had was step up to the
streets my favorite film of all time and
Rocky too and I've must have seen that
film 40 times I love how many times did
you practice the dance in the mirror oh
man I've got the whole dance down righto
can we see it
no yeah no I love that film I absolutely
love that film yeah i' say I say my
favorite so Rocky was my favorite cuz
I'd watch it with my dad and
Rocky I I struggled between Rocky 3 and
Rocky four cuz I loved Mr T and three
that's three and I loved Ivan Drago as
well which was four and they were both
just such great movies yeah yeah yeah he
was just yeah it's such great
entertainment even though it's nothing
like real boxing yeah nothing at all
nothing like real boxing but then I
remember watching real boxing when I was
growing up it was Prince Nim oh man yeah
yeah my dad was a big fan of his so I'd
remember watching him a lot love his
style there's a video of him working
with the I guess he's just it's like a
swinging bag and he is so effortless
because canelo's got a great head
movement but but he looks like he's
thinking about it yeah whereas nazim is
just living the dream just he's so fluid
and I love the way he used to move yeah
and I love how he would enter the ring
me I would over rotate and slam on my
face or something yeah he was brilliant
yeah he was like wrestling meets
boxing he must have been a nightmare to
fight it must have been like he's
beating me and he's embarrassing me this
is really tough terrible what do you
think of lenko did you see his last
fight I haven't no I didn't see it I
didn't see it that's an interesting one
go and tell me I I didn't see it at all
well I think the general consensus is
that he won oh but it was given the
other way right he is my favorite boxer
because of his history his background in
dance he was like I guess a really
talented boxer and then I guess I don't
know if this is true but his dad sent
him to go and study dance for sort of
five years or something like that for
his boxing for his boxing which is why
his footwork is like on another planet
there's loads of examples of where he's
fighting people and they look up and
he's just gone he's behind them so I I
really admire him but his most recent
fight he lost how did it go against him
was it a vote it was a vote right right
they went against him so I wonder
whether they'll fight again yeah I guess
they'll have to if there's it seems like
this isn't a conspiracy theory that's
the problem with boxing though like will
they fight again you know because it's
it's a tricky it's a tricky business
unlike the UFC where you know if they
want to fight they'll fight that's what
I love about it I took my brother and my
cousin to the UFC the other night
and that is such a Savage sport it is
that is yeah it's terrifying I really
don't want that to be a movie in a real
one seen the warrior my m movie so good
the warrior is one of the most
underrated movies it's so good yeah it's
a little ridiculous the idea that they
have like six fights a night getting
ready for one final but I do love that
film yeah yeah yeah it's a really good
it's a really good movie oh well okay
all right so we know there's a boxing
movie coming somewhere down L got be one
down the line there's got to be one down
the line absolutely yeah and we want to
see you work your way up and uh fig you
I mean we might see you like you know
actually go do it for real sounds
imagine for charity maybe one of the
things that you mentioned recently was
that you gave up drinking about a year
and a half ago yes and you said it was
the hardest thing you ever did yes and I
wanted to know what was so hard about it
for you why was it so hard it's
interesting I I didn't one day wake up
and say I'm giving up drinking I just
like many bricks had had a very very
boozy December Christmas time I was on
vacation I was drinking a lot and I've
always been able to drink a lot I think
I get my jeans from my mom's side in
that thing that I can I can drink and I
decided to just give up for January I
just wanted to do dry January and all I
could think about was having a drink
it's all I could think about about I was
waking up thinking about it I was
checking the clock when's it
12: and it just really scared me I just
was like wow maybe maybe I have a little
bit of an alcohol thing so I sort of
decided to punish myself and say I'll do
February as well I'll do two months off
if I can do two months off then I can
prove to myself that I don't have a
problem two months go by and I was still
really struggling I felt like I couldn't
be social I felt like I couldn't go to
the pub and have a lime soda
I couldn't go out for dinner I was
really really struggling and I started
to really worry that maybe I had an
alcohol problem um so I decided that I
would wait until my birthday which is
June 1st I said to myself if I can do
six months without alcohol then I can
prove to myself that I don't have a
problem and by the time I had got to
June 1st I was the happiest I'd ever
been in my life I could sleep better I
could handle problems better things that
would go wrong on set that would
normally set me off I could take in my
stride I had so much such better mental
Clarity I felt healthier I felt fitter
and I just sort of said to myself like
why why am I enslaved to this drink why
am I so obsessed by the idea of having
this drink and I would look back and
recognize that I would go to events for
for work and I can't enjoy myself until
I've had a few
beers and I just felt so much pressure
and this is one of the things why I've
sort of dist myself from the rugby
community cuzz so much of it is about
how much can you drink let's get you as
drunk as possible and it's honestly been
the best thing I've ever done I'm a year
and a half into it now it doesn't even
cross my mind I found amazing
Replacements that I think are fantastic
ones that are also really healthy I
found this one beer that it's full of
electrolytes and it's you know the carbo
hydrates in it a longlasting energy so
like having a beer is now actually like
a really healthy thing I'm really lucky
that all my friends are super supportive
about it I've never run into that
scenario where my friends are like oh go
on just have a beer like you're fine
they've always sort of really supported
me and I don't want to be that person
that's saying to people you should get
sober you should get sober if I could
encourage someone to drink less then
that's great but I I don't want to start
getting into the world of you need to
stop drinking because I just it's it's
not for me to say I went on my own
little journey I'm really enjoying it
I'm delighted that my mom's has also
given up she's loving it and it's been
amazing I can't believe the difference
that I feel from not drinking I feel
amazing that's amazing man I love
hearing that and I love hearing that
it's been great for you right I think
that's that's the point not everything
has to be like look what I did you can
do it too it's kind of like no this is
just what's been great for me do you
think it was partly that attitude for
you at least in the beginning where it's
like well look I can drink I drink a lot
it comes from my mom jeans and it
doesn't affect me and then all of a
sudden you realize well wait a minute
it's more than that because I think
there is that like I was like that as a
young man as well like for me it was it
was easy to drink I I didn't drink daily
for me I drank a lot more socially and I
love playing drinking games with my
mates that was really what I enjoyed the
most probably and for me when I quit I
could just quickly see how it just got
me into doing things I would never do if
I wasn't drunk so for me for me it was
more that but yeah I wonder for you did
you find that it's there's a really fine
line between like I know I can drink a
lot and then all of a sudden you're kind
of addict not addicted beyond that no
addicted M I'm happy to say like I was
definitely addicted to alcohol not shy
away from that at all I think anyone
that wakes up and has a not wakes up
anyone that has a beer every day is
probably got a little bit of a problem
but yeah you're right I I would drink
and drink and drink and drink and then
you would just reach that moment where
you're like wow I shouldn't have had
that last beer and you wake up the next
day and you have a terrible headache and
you're suffering I I bought one of those
rings that will tell you about your
sleep yeah Aura ring yeah and it was
amazing cuz I couldn't sleep I was like
why can't I sleep I'm working 14 hours a
day I'm doing two hours in the gym I'm
eating really healthily and I can't
sleep what's wrong with me I bought this
ring and it was booze it just it was
completely affecting my sleep and since
I've given it up I can sleep anywhere
you know it's also interesting as well
going on nights out and having a great
time as the sober person and then
getting to that point in the night where
people start you know spitting in your
ear and everyone's I love you man I love
you so much and you're like yeah
brilliant I love you too I'll see you
tomorrow I'm going to bed I love being
that person now I love seeing my friends
on the golf course at 8:00 a.m. in the
morning feeling fresh and ready to go
and sort of crawling out their car and
so yeah so I I I'm over the moon to be
sober I love it yeah for anyone who is
listening right now is going Tom I love
that for you I want to do it too like
they're listening going I'm having too
much every day I can notice some of
those things but I'm just stuck and it's
hard because we know that addiction's
that way we know that this is heavy it's
not easy but if someone is watching
going Tom tell me like what what did you
do to even get started how did you have
that courage to say I'm going to do
January I'm going to stick at it were
there any moments where you actually
fell back and then had to get back on
the horse again like just walk us
through that a little bit more for
anyone who is watching going Tom mate I
I want to be in your position in like
six months I didn't fall back on it I
have done in the past like I've had
periods of my life where I'd given up
drinking and then gone back to drinking
um but this
time I don't know it was just different
I really worked to sort of change my
mindset I really asked myself like why
do you drink why are you drinking and a
lot of the time my answer would be to
feel more comfortable in the social
environment yeah and I just put myself
in those environments and just would
force myself to be there I'd force
myself to hang out and and go to a club
or go to a bar go to a dinner yeah we
weren't avoiding those places I was at
the beginning because I didn't feel like
I could go and not have a drink because
of the stress of it but then after a
while I sort of was like mate youve got
to pull your socks up here and you can't
just live in your house all the time
you've got to go out and enjoy yourself
and and if you're only enjoying yourself
because you're drink drinking then you
really do have a problem but I just
changed my mindset I just I found really
good replacements things that I could
sort of attribute to having a beer I
often found with me most of it is just
the ritual of cracking something open
and sharing it with friends and drinking
it whether it's sparkling water or a
beer I now can't I don't associate like
I don't see a difference yeah but I
think it's different for everyone I had
a great support system Jack is one of my
best mates and we travel all over the
world he doesn't drink and do with him
was was a really helpful experience for
me my brother is always on the road with
me he was very supportive and yeah I
just really set my mind to it I was I
really want to do this I want to prove
to myself I can do it yeah and then once
I'd felt the health benefits and started
really feeling like my full self like oh
my God this is this is the best but do
you not drink I haven't drank for 17
years no way congratulations that's
aming I feel amazing yeah it it's
incredible wow it's like one of the best
feelings in the world and it's my my
biggest like worry when I was about to
quit was like how am I going to hang out
with my mates biggest worry I was like
my mates knew me as the guy who was like
first to the game L to get out like that
was me you know the clown when I got
drunk like life of the party kind of
like that kind of guy and then all of a
sudden I I decided I wasn't going to
drink anymore I was like crap am I going
to fit in and then I remember I went
into the corporate world for a bit and I
didn't drink and I was like God am I
going to miss out on like opportunities
and networking like you know all the
guys afterwards are like going to get
drinks and I'm like I'll come but I'll
have a water or have a soda whatever it
is and what was really interesting for
me is not relying on Drinking Made Me
rely on qualities and skills I had sure
that were actually better so now that I
couldn't drink as an excuse to hang with
the lads I was bringing out parts of my
personality that I probably would have
just hidden awayed yeah suppressed and
all of a sudden you were actually
getting respected and liked for who you
were rather than the person who you were
when you were drunk sure and and
actually that worked in the work place
and there was no one at the workplace
going oh Jay doesn't drink so he's not
getting promoted it wasn't like that
people were like oh yeah I really like
hanging out with Jay or's he's a really
good guy or whatever it may be and I was
still getting the same opportunities and
I was still getting promoted at work and
whatever it was and I think that's why
I'd like to remind people that don't
feel like your career or your work is
going to suffer even for you like you've
I'm sure as a you know with your career
path you have to be at parties you have
to be at events and the fact that you're
able to do that now without having
alcohol and you it doesn't sound like
it's negatively impacting your career if
anything it's the opposite mate I
honestly cannot believe like the amount
of times I've sat down with an actor
that I really admired or sat down with a
producer or director and being like Oh
you know well I don't drink anymore and
they go I don't drink 10 years and
you're like oh my God and I've had so
many insightful conversations with
people like yourself where you've heard
their story their reason for giving up
and there is a wonderful community of
people and I love it I love being a part
of that Community I'm really proud to be
a part of it I hope that you know I can
meet other people and chat to them about
it because it's really nice it's lovely
to be like let's go get a lime soda
together you know yeah let's get a juice
let's get a smoothie yeah yeah no it is
true it's true and it's really
interesting because they I can't
remember I'm trying to remember there
was this blog that came out years ago I
can't even remember it now and there was
this girl on Instagram who was getting a
lot of likes and a lot of comments and a
lot of
attention and one day she just
disappeared like she stopped posting
and everyone was just like all the
comments were like where are you what
happened are you okay like what happened
to you you know everyone was frantic
trying to figure out what happened to
her because they loved her they were
following her and all the rest of it
and what they didn't know is that it was
built by a team that was trying to show
that what people didn't notice is that
in every picture she posted she was
drinking and it was a made up it was
almost like original AI that was made up
to prove the point that you can love
someone and you can think you're really
close to them and you you can think
their lifestyle looks amazing but
actually they've got a drink in every
picture they post and you didn't realize
they had an alcohol problem so there was
no real person who died but the point
was that this your friends could be
struggling even when they're posting
these beautiful lifestyle pictures but
are you aware and are you conscious of
how much it affects you and I can't
can't remember who built that page well
I think that's one of the problems with
alcohol is that if you came out with
alcohol right now if alcohol wasn't a
thing and you I've invented this drink
that is going to make you like either
really happy or really aggressive or
really stupid and we're going to just
sell it to the masses people be like now
mate keep your funky juice like we don't
want that that sounds terrible and it's
one of those things because it is so
socially acceptable the the addiction
side of it the bad sides of it really do
fly under the radar yeah and that's
really interesting I'll tell you
something I do love about being a
non-drinker I love being the designated
driver I love being that person that
makes sure that everyone gets home I
don't know I just I like being a
Dependable person I I think I'm quite
dependable and I really like that that
um thing and I saw this crazy YouTube
video once this was years ago of a guy
that went to a bar he got drunk and he
drove home and he crashed his car and I
don't know if this is real it could have
been fake but it's really impactful
basically what his friend had done was
set up the room as if he had been in a
coma for like 10 years and his friend
wakes up hours after the crash and his
friend is there and he had all like old
make up on to make him look older and
now I'm thinking about it there's no way
this could have been real because how
would they have been able to pull that
off but he basically is saying to him
like you've been asleep for 10 years
everyone's missed you like we can't
believe you're awake this is amazing and
it shows like how a stupid decision like
driving drunk can affect the future of
your life so I do love being the
designated driver that is something I
enjoy seeing my friends have a good time
and being like don't worry Tom will take
you home yeah I I I used to love been
the designated driver until I realized
that next go girlfriend just had me do
that because I was the one who didn't do
that wasn't a fun designated driver job
but I've always been that guy since
because so I I lived as a monk for three
years yeah amazing and uh when I came
back after that obviously I never went
back to drinking alcohol and everything
and so but I went back into the
workplace and I remember everyone would
always open up to me and give me advice
but it's what you're saying when someone
was drunk they' tell me their whole life
story yeah next day they'd wake up and
go Jay you'd actually remember what I
said I'm I remember everything they're
like please don't tell anyone like you
know I love I love that part where I was
like I was able to be there for people
totally just hear their stories 100 and
someone that had context the next day
cuz if they told someone else who was
drunk you'd both not remember and then
it'd be gone no I I think the benefits
that You' just pointed out of good sleep
good health great mental Clarity they're
huge but there's a couple of things I
want to point out for everyone who's
listening just as takeaways because Tom
makes it so seamless when you're talking
about it's really beautiful as well but
one of the things you mentioned was
Finding Alternatives and during my monk
life we always talked about how there
was there something that we called the
higher taste and it was saying you can
never give up a lower taste unless you
had a higher taste and so there has to
be a switch there has to be a repl to be
a replac the fact that you found
alternatives I think that's half the
battle because most of us are trying to
take something out of our lives and then
you're just trying to fill it yeah and
then you have to go back to what you had
before because you're not finding a
replacement so that was beautiful and
the second thing you said which I loved
which was having this conversation and
dialogue with other people someone who's
one year ahead of you someone who's 10
years ahead someone who's 20 years ahead
who's gone through that process and
they're open and honest and vulnerable
about you know what I did have a weak
moment or you know what this was really
tough for me and I think having those
communities where you can talk about
these things makes a massive difference
so if anyone's struggling I hope that
those two things can kind of you know
give you the support you need and again
it goes back to the message of of the
show is that like you should ask for
help and you should feel empowered to do
so yeah but tell me about your monk life
like that must have been amazing it was
I've always been so tempted to go away
and do one of those retreats where you
know you go to somewhere like India and
you go to those places where you don't
speak for a month or something like that
like that must have just been the most
enlightening experience mate now that
you've said that when when you want to
go I'm going to take you please
absolutely love to go I met a guy I was
on holiday earlier this year and he had
just got back from a retreat he did two
weeks where he didn't make a sound MH
and was just explaining to me how eye
opening it was yeah yeah no I I mean to
me it was one of the best experiences in
my life because even the stuff that I
did then I was 22 years old when I did
it even the stuff that I did then I
don't even know if I'd be able to do it
anymore now but there was such a like
energy you had as a 22y old where just
open to any experience and wanting to
try it all out aming and I think for me
it was because and it comes back to the
people that have done things when I was
18 was when I first met a monk I I never
really knew what monks did or or any of
their practices but I met a monk who I
write about in my book who just
blew my mind because he was the first
person I met that I felt was at ease
with himself and when I was 18 I'd met
people who were like rich and famous and
you know beautiful and powerful and all
this type of stuff but I don't think I'd
met anyone who was truly happy and
content with themselves not happy like
oh I'm so happy life's amazing I mean
more like happy with who they who they
were totally and for some reason at 18
that kind of like was an arrow straight
to my heart where I was like that's
that's real I want that and it just it's
so hard to explain because everyone's
like well how did you know that at 18 I
was like I don't know it must have been
how powerful he was it's kind of like
it's kind of like you wake up when when
the sun's out and the lights out and you
just wake up because you feel that
energy and I felt it through him and
then I I went to University and I'd talk
to him and I'd meet him in the Summers
and Christmases but I just decided I was
like I want to do this because I'd met
someone who I felt had emotional and
mental Mastery in a way that I'd never
seen before wow and so when I went out
there and whether it was the meditation
training or whether it was the
Simplicity training of the lifestyle or
whether it was the the the teachings and
the values that you had to live by I
just got so I got so much from it that I
honestly believe that anything that I'm
good at doing today is because of what I
learned during that time and so anything
I'm good at today is because of that do
you think that you found what he had
yeah I believe so and I would say that
well has
he's yeah and I still see him every
yearing and he still has it yeah it's
like Swag like it doesn't go away he
still has it and yeah definitely
definitely I got a glimpse into it
obviously he's been doing it for you
know nearly 30 years and I only did it
for three but you still get to a glimpse
of it and you get an experience of it so
you know that it exists and I think
that's half the battle too like even
with your sobriety it's like you just
need to know it exists totally and then
you're like wow there's this other side
100% And even though it's a challenge
and even though I'm still trying to be
more mindful every day and I'm still
working on myself because it's of course
it's an endless ongoing thing yeah I
know I know and I take a lot of friends
and and people I know on Retreats there
because just a couple of years ago I
took uh someone that I love to one of
the caves in rishikes so one of the
things I love about caves is that
they're equally dark and Silent yeah so
it's almost like the first time like we
could be silent in this room and it
would be silent but the Silence of a
cave is just different different level
and so when you go in there you can't
see anything either so you can't even
see yourself so you're so deep into the
cave that there's no light from the
mouth of the cave anymore there's no
light from the M mouth of the cave I
don't know about that that really stress me
me
out no you hold hands no you don't hold
hands but it's it's just it's one of
those experiences that you actually get
to experience real Stillness and real
silence and real real disconnection sure
from everything around you and then you
can actually listen to yourself yeah
it's interesting I would love to do
something like that something that I
find myself doing a lot is if I see a
beautiful landscape or something I will try
try
and see if I can find an angle of it
where there's nothing manmade in the
view cuz you know what it's like like
you see a beautiful Hill or something
and there's a telephone pole in the
middle of it or a lamp post or something
so doing something like that where there
is nothing but just mother nature and
the vience and being with yourself I'm
obsessed with nature it's like one of my
biggest passions I'm absolutely like
this new our planet show has just come
out one sitting I've done the whole
thing um so I would love to do something
like that so next time you go in let me
know with you we'll figure it out no
where's where's a place I love nature
too I just took my me and my wife just
went to Barley oh I love barley yeah and
it was unbelievable we went white water
rafting and it almost felt like Jurassic
Park I was just waiting for a dinosaur
head to pop out and it was just
beautiful it was so Lush it was natural
waterfalls everywhere and another place
that I've Loved naturewise India of
course we mentioned but Iceland to go
got to go to Iceland a few years ago and
my friend was filming a a documentary
out there and so I got to experience it
with the documentary Travelers and we
went to a real Glacier and we went toing
you know and and it was incredible to
just it was the first time I felt like
I'd landed on another planet yeah yeah
yeah it just I literally I was like this
looks like nothing I've ever seen before
in my life like I'm on another like I I
could have I could have gone into outer
space and landed on another there's a
reason why every single space film
Iceland is the first on the list for
locations oh is that I know that I'm
think Interstellar probably shot went to
the GL they saw right so I'm sure all of
those films you know because you could
do you could do Mars you could do Venus
all in you know in Iceland I would love
to go I don't know we were thinking
about doing some climbing and I'm not
sure about how I feel about glaciers and
walking across them and just falling and
never being found yeah we we walked
across them and obviously there were
teams there but and then they had an
expert and they went down into the
glacier like they went into one like and
it was and it was really scary because
while we were walking on the glacier
we've got the I forgot what those little
boots are called the ones with the kind
of like the little prongs yeah yeah I
forgot what they're called but anyway we
had those on and uh crons crampons
crampons crampons okay crampons thank
you for that Jack and so we're wearing
these crampons and and literally it was
like three steps further and you you
would have fallen and you don't see it
and you would never be found never you
would never be found you would never
know and it would be like that movie
What's it 126 hours that guy had to sore
off his own arm 126 hours mate in 10
minutes the ice would just yeah know I
that that's a bit too far for me well if
you went with a group of you know
experts and all the rest of it I think
yeah but you've seen the documentary
sometimes the experts go out and it's a
one it's a oneway story they don't ever
come back you know yeah yeah yeah no you
got you got to be careful I agree I
agree I'll show you some videos later
though because it was pretty it was
pretty spectacular it was really amazing
no I I love I love that with your
journey with Sab and and again the other
thing we were talking about this earlier
going back to it was you decided to take
a break from acting yeah because you
were doing this role it was really tough
and challenging and and you like you
need some time and again you were saying
that that was misconstrued and I just
before we dive into why you needed to
take a break and and what was
challenging about it I just wanted to
just if you wanted to give context to
that and you don't have to but if you
wanted to to clarify what you meant and
what was going on there it's only a
break from acting because I'm an actor
yeah it's not like the acting itself I
just have been so lucky that in my life
I've been working so much I just wanted
to take a break I just wanted to be in
one place for a while I wanted to be
with my friends be with my family move
into my house so it wasn't
necessarily oh my God I need to have a
break from acting cuz it's too much I
just needed to have a break from
traveling and and working and and also
I've done so much of my growing up on
the road I needed to do a lot of growing
up at home paying my water bill paying
my council tax and sorting out my bins
and all that sort of stuff that they
don't teach you at school which I think
there should be a lesson I think there
should be a lesson at school that's
called life which is like laundry basic
cooking like I didn't realize you have
to pay for your water I just thought
that was a luxury of living in England
the water comes out the sky and then it
comes out your TAP I was so behind on my
Waterville I didn't realize I'm up to
date now don't worry so yeah I just
wanted to take this break and it's a
shame again talking about the press and
how they can spin things it's a shame
that this year off has come after this
incredibly hard job and that they kind
of ran with this idea that yes the show
did break me and yes it was difficult
but I could have gone back to work I was
always planning on taking this break
after this job so thank you for giving
me the time to sort of clarify that I am
loving having time off and going back to
work is something that isn't really on
my radar yet I'm just loving being with
my family and my friends and and
enjoying you know the fruits of my labor
a little bit and traveling and seeing
the world cuz you know we get to see the
world for work but it's different yeah
you know going off of your own accord
and and and seeing these places and
meeting people is is what I love I'm
very social which is one of the things I
found so difficult about giving up
alcohol is because I was like that's my
key to my social life and then I
realized I was like no you're just
actually naturally a really social
person the alcohol is just an additive
to that so get rid of it so yeah so my
my my year off has been amazing I'm
loving it I'm six months seven months
into it now I have a job to go to but
you know obviously we're going through
this writer strike right now we're
unsure as to where we are um I'm hoping
that you know the writers can make a
deal and will be looked after as they
should be because it would be great to
get back to work but I'm in no rush I'm
really loving some time at home how old
are you now 27 yeah and so if you've
been working since you were nine or at
least later on into your teens I think I
think people forget that and I I coach
personally a lot of musicians and who go
on tour a lot sure and I just finished a
40 City World Tour for my second book
and we did like 40 cities maybe in like
75 80 days maybe like it was intense and
we went all over the world we did like
never done anything like that did 15
cities in the US and then 25 cities
around the world and so we did everyone
from Paris Amsterdam Berlin Melbourne we
did three shows at the Sydney Opera
House Brisbane did Singapore did five
shows in India did Dubai it was it and
it was amazing I had one of the best
experiences of my life at the same time
I was reflecting on my music clients who
have to do 100 150 shows a lot of them
pull out of doing their tours a lot of
them announce kind of like you're saying
I took a break sure a lot of them will
announce and say you know what guys I
can't I can't finish I can't do it
anymore and it's really interesting
because I message some of them straight
away saying I always could understand
why you needed that now I actually have
actual empathy for you because now I'm
on the road and I can see how displacing
it is sure and I'm older and I have a
certain set of skills that help me with
that based on my monk life and all the
rest of it but I I can imagine if you've
been touring since you were 15 years old
which is what a lot of these artists
have done yeah you've like you just said
you grow up on the road sure and then
all of a sudden you're like well who am
I and who are my friends and and what is
my life and now everyone that I pay is
my friend and that's the only friends I
have and you know and so it's really
interesting how when you get a little
glimpse into someone's life and then on
my the last show I had was in
Barcelona yeah it was amazing and the
night before my last show Live Nation
who was doing my show there they also do
a Coldplay tour and they were like do
you want to come to watch Cay I was like
I'd love to watch Cay so when the night
before to watch callay it was
unbelievable they did four soldout shows
of 655,000 people each night in Barcelona
Barcelona
and Chris I went to watchs the fourth
night and Chris Martin and the crew were
just unbelievable yeah and then I found
out as the 89th show and I was thinking
gosh like it is so hard like it's just
so hard and all their families are with
them and traveling with them and all the
rest of it and so I want to touch on
that with you as well that walk us
through because I've talked about this
with actors offline and I don't think
I've fully done it online and so if
you're willing to go there I'd really
appreciate it when you're playing a role
I think as a viewer we massively
underestimate how hard acting is
especially when the role is the kind of
role that you're playing in the crowded
room yeah I I think we just
underestimate as a view and I'm
fortunate enough to know enough actors
offline where I've had these
conversations before whether whether
it's people who do method acting or
whether it's people who you know really
try and get into character like you
always hear about the stories of like
how Jared Leto when he was becoming the
Joker was sending people rats and human
feces in their mail like literally tell
if you me human feasts in my mail
there'd be trouble I wouldn't be putting
up with that you you and Jer in a boxing
match yeah there'll be a boxing movie
then yeah but but you know the idea of
like I think I think as viewers we don't
re it's what I'm saying is like when I
went on tour I was like I get it I get
it now as viewers we don't get it
because we don't really hear about the
Deep process that actors go through of
getting into a role playing someone with
multiple personalities like you know
that I don't know is that is that tough
or is is it or is that not am I getting
it wrong and that's not actually the
tough part you're definitely not getting
it wrong I think it's just different
it's Case by case you know there are
people like Jared who who dive into
their roles and they do things like
sending people dead rats and stuff like
that and they think that that's what
they need to do I've always been really
good at separating my onset emotions
from my personal life emotions as a
young kid I used to really heavily rely
on my personal emotions to get them to
come across on screen and I just found
it really unhealthy I just found that
like the line between my life and my
character's life would be blurred and
ultimately at the end of the experience
of making the film I would be a very
different person but not because of my
experiences as Tom it would be because
of my experiences as my character so I
decided very early on to find certain
techniques and certain ways to get into
those emotions from a sort of technical
point of view I never sit on set and
think about my my mom getting sick or my
or never speaking to my brothers again
or something like that I never blur the lines with my personal life and my work
lines with my personal life and my work life I always leave work at work there
life I always leave work at work there are jobs like the crowded room that are
are jobs like the crowded room that are particularly taxing getting to those
particularly taxing getting to those emotions on a daily basis is really
emotions on a daily basis is really difficult and really
difficult and really tiring but you know it's probably
tiring but you know it's probably somewhat like Coldplay on that 89th show
somewhat like Coldplay on that 89th show you just dig your heels in you realize
you just dig your heels in you realize you've got a job to do we're all
you've got a job to do we're all wonderfully well paid there are people
wonderfully well paid there are people that work far harder for far less I
that work far harder for far less I recognize how lucky I am am so I'm like
recognize how lucky I am am so I'm like if I need to cry today and tomorrow and
if I need to cry today and tomorrow and the next 50 days in a row I'll do so yes
the next 50 days in a row I'll do so yes it's difficult but I think your question
it's difficult but I think your question I'm probably the worst person to ask
I'm probably the worst person to ask that because I think I have like a
that because I think I have like a really healthy outlook on how I achieve
really healthy outlook on how I achieve my emotions on set yeah um but I have
my emotions on set yeah um but I have worked with people that shut their
worked with people that shut their bedroom door and just dive into the
bedroom door and just dive into the character and are pouring through the
character and are pouring through the script every night and and are in
script every night and and are in character all the time and I admire them
character all the time and I admire them I don't necessarily think it's the
I don't necessarily think it's the health EST way to go about it but yeah
health EST way to go about it but yeah I've always been really strict on myself
I've always been really strict on myself to leave my work at work obviously I
to leave my work at work obviously I come home and read the script and do all
come home and read the script and do all of my prep work but I'm not I'm leaving
of my prep work but I'm not I'm leaving the character at work because it's too
the character at work because it's too it's too much especially when you're
it's too much especially when you're playing a character like like Danny from
playing a character like like Danny from the crowded room like you can't bring
the crowded room like you can't bring that into your personal life it's tough
that into your personal life it's tough yeah yeah I mean that but I'm actually
yeah yeah I mean that but I'm actually glad I asked it to you either way
glad I asked it to you either way because what I'm actually hearing is you
because what I'm actually hearing is you did it early on and you saw it wasn't
did it early on and you saw it wasn't healthy sure and so you actually found
healthy sure and so you actually found another way way yeah and and it's really
another way way yeah and and it's really interesting because a lot of people may
interesting because a lot of people may not have found another way or that is
not have found another way or that is their way and that is their method and
their way and that is their method and so it actually is interesting hearing it
so it actually is interesting hearing it from your perspective because you're
from your perspective because you're actually saying yeah I could have gone
actually saying yeah I could have gone down that road I could see the dangers
down that road I could see the dangers with it right and and obviously depends
with it right and and obviously depends on the roles too sorry you going to say
on the roles too sorry you going to say no it's just it's my acting coach Ben
no it's just it's my acting coach Ben Perkins was my acting coach on my first
Perkins was my acting coach on my first film and that film's really really
film and that film's really really emotionally intense and we started off
emotionally intense and we started off by doing things like can you imagine you
by doing things like can you imagine you know your M passing or can you imagine
know your M passing or can you imagine things like that and I would cry
things like that and I would cry instantly yeah and he was the one that
instantly yeah and he was the one that actually recognized at a point this is
actually recognized at a point this is too much for this young kid to kind of
too much for this young kid to kind of take so he devised these exercises where
take so he devised these exercises where him and I could kind of have these fake
him and I could kind of have these fake arguments where I was as a 12-year-old
arguments where I was as a 12-year-old oh maybe I was older than that
oh maybe I was older than that 13-year-old could recognize that they
13-year-old could recognize that they were exercises and I would allow the
were exercises and I would allow the emotion to kind of come from these kind
emotion to kind of come from these kind of acting techniques let's call it so it
of acting techniques let's call it so it was actually Ben that was the one that
was actually Ben that was the one that switched my my mindset I can't take
switched my my mindset I can't take credit for that yeah so you you live in
credit for that yeah so you you live in LA yeah so I moved to LA five years ago
LA yeah so I moved to LA five years ago and I moved to the state seven years ago
and I moved to the state seven years ago so I was in New York for the first two
so I was in New York for the first two where about in New York were you I was
where about in New York were you I was on 23rd Street near flat iron okay nice
on 23rd Street near flat iron okay nice so yeah it was good in in Manhattan and
so yeah it was good in in Manhattan and uh moved with my wife we've been married
uh moved with my wife we've been married for seven years together for 10
for seven years together for 10 fantastic and uh yeah it was it's just
fantastic and uh yeah it was it's just been really interesting mate it's like
been really interesting mate it's like did you ever end up moving did you ever
did you ever end up moving did you ever live in LA at all or in the US at all or
live in LA at all or in the US at all or have you always been in London sort of
have you always been in London sort of what we were talking about earlier I've
what we were talking about earlier I've kind of lived all over the place I've
kind of lived all over the place I've lived in La I've lived in New York I've
lived in La I've lived in New York I've lived in Atlanta you know I've lived in
lived in Atlanta you know I've lived in Cleveland which was amazing um so I I
Cleveland which was amazing um so I I really like spending time in the states
really like spending time in the states yeah we just obviously crowded room we
yeah we just obviously crowded room we did a year in New York yeah we moved to
did a year in New York yeah we moved to dve Becca we started off in Midtown and
dve Becca we started off in Midtown and Midtown for me was a bit of a nightmare
Midtown for me was a bit of a nightmare it's where all the schools are so I'd
it's where all the schools are so I'd come home from work and I'd come outside
come home from work and I'd come outside and it's like all the biggest Spider-Man
and it's like all the biggest Spider-Man fans you
fans you oh my God yeah it's like the worst plan
oh my God yeah it's like the worst plan all the kids we moved out to Tribeca to
all the kids we moved out to Tribeca to this amazing apartment which was really
this amazing apartment which was really lovely we're very lucky to be down there
lovely we're very lucky to be down there but um but where so how do you find La I
but um but where so how do you find La I so you know what it's really interesting
so you know what it's really interesting because when I I moved to New York first
because when I I moved to New York first yeah and I loved it I found New York to
yeah and I loved it I found New York to be just a bigger crazier London a bit
be just a bigger crazier London a bit more intense and and I love London I'm
more intense and and I love London I'm I'm a London boy through and through I
I'm a London boy through and through I went to University here my my family's
went to University here my my family's still here my wife's family is here
still here my wife's family is here everyone's
everyone's and so but but I enjoyed New York my
and so but but I enjoyed New York my wife didn't love New York and also at
wife didn't love New York and also at the same time I I started spending more
the same time I I started spending more time in LA for work and my wife and I
time in LA for work and my wife and I just like fell more in love with each
just like fell more in love with each other when we were there and so that's
other when we were there and so that's what it was that Drew us there it wasn't
what it was that Drew us there it wasn't really everyone's always like oh was it
really everyone's always like oh was it career I was like to be honest we went
career I was like to be honest we went there for a month for work and we rented
there for a month for work and we rented an apartment because we're going to be
an apartment because we're going to be there for a month and we're living
there for a month and we're living together there and we just loved living
together there and we just loved living with each other there home is where the
with each other there home is where the heart is
heart is we were like all right we love it here
we were like all right we love it here why don't we pack our bags and move
why don't we pack our bags and move across and so we went back to New York
across and so we went back to New York two months later we moved over to La so
two months later we moved over to La so it wasn't even you know and now we've
it wasn't even you know and now we've been there for 5 years and the truth is
been there for 5 years and the truth is that I I was really intentional when I
that I I was really intentional when I moved somewhere so while I'm building my
moved somewhere so while I'm building my purpose and my work and my career which
purpose and my work and my career which I absolutely love what I get to do every
I absolutely love what I get to do every day and I I I could never have dreamed
day and I I I could never have dreamed of doing what I do to them super
of doing what I do to them super grateful but at the same time I was
grateful but at the same time I was really intentional about building
really intentional about building community and family and it was like an
community and family and it was like an actual like process where I was like as
actual like process where I was like as well as you're always building the
well as you're always building the people you know at work you're always
people you know at work you're always building relationships you're hiring
building relationships you're hiring employees and team members and
employees and team members and everything at the same time I've got to
everything at the same time I've got to think about actually making friendships
think about actually making friendships because in London I got all my mates I
because in London I got all my mates I got my best man at my wedding I've been
got my best man at my wedding I've been mates with Raj for like 17 years like
mates with Raj for like 17 years like I've got people around me but in La I
I've got people around me but in La I don't have that I don't have any family
don't have that I don't have any family any friends I don't know anyone and so
any friends I don't know anyone and so I've really made an effort and now after
I've really made an effort and now after 5 years I can honestly say you know
5 years I can honestly say you know obviously not in a wonderful way but the
obviously not in a wonderful way but the pandemic did help deepen some of those
pandemic did help deepen some of those friendships
friendships because iuck with people only could go
because iuck with people only could go deeper made some really good friends and
deeper made some really good friends and so I feel happy there and I feel really
so I feel happy there and I feel really connected to my purpose there and at the
connected to my purpose there and at the same time I love coming back to London
same time I love coming back to London right and hanging out with my mates and
right and hanging out with my mates and so and me and my wife made a decision
so and me and my wife made a decision when we moved that we would never say we
when we moved that we would never say we lived anywhere we would just be allowed
lived anywhere we would just be allowed to go wherever we wanted to go so
to go wherever we wanted to go so whenever my wife misses London she's
whenever my wife misses London she's back on a flight to London she'll come
back on a flight to London she'll come live here for two months and come back
live here for two months and come back whenever she wants and and it's the same
whenever she wants and and it's the same for me and that kind of like not having
for me and that kind of like not having a rule around you know obviously we're
a rule around you know obviously we're lucky to have that choice that's an
lucky to have that choice that's an amazing luxury to have yeah of course
amazing luxury to have yeah of course yeah and but yeah I I I'm I share the
yeah and but yeah I I I'm I share the same kind of outlook on it you know I
same kind of outlook on it you know I couldn't really say I live anywhere I
couldn't really say I live anywhere I sort of live where the work is and when
sort of live where the work is and when I'm not working I'm either here or in LA
I'm not working I'm either here or in LA and uh and I'm so lucky to be able to
and uh and I'm so lucky to be able to sort of call the world my home I just go
sort of call the world my home I just go wherever the the wind takes me I guess
wherever the the wind takes me I guess yeah exactly but that's glorious yeah
yeah exactly but that's glorious yeah man yeah it's been good it's been good
man yeah it's been good it's been good for me it's been good to me and and I
for me it's been good to me and and I think with because of the work I do very
think with because of the work I do very clearly lets people know whether I'd
clearly lets people know whether I'd connect to them or not I feel like my
connect to them or not I feel like my work is so obviously one way that it's
work is so obviously one way that it's very easy cuz not everyone wants this in
very easy cuz not everyone wants this in their life so it's kind of easy for
their life so it's kind of easy for people to be like no I'm not going to
people to be like no I'm not going to make any effort with Jay or I'm going to
make any effort with Jay or I'm going to make lots of effort with Jay and so it
make lots of effort with Jay and so it kind of makes it very easy because my
kind of makes it very easy because my work is me do you find because of what
work is me do you find because of what you do and your skill set and your
you do and your skill set and your experiences and your life as a monk that
experiences and your life as a monk that people unload on you a lot yes like like
people unload on you a lot yes like like you might meet a new person and they're
you might meet a new person and they're sort of saying well I'm feeling this way
sort of saying well I'm feeling this way and I I would love to try and get to a
and I I would love to try and get to a place of Enlightenment like that must
place of Enlightenment like that must happen to you a lot yes yeah a lot it
happen to you a lot yes yeah a lot it can it can happen at the train station
can it can happen at the train station happen on a plane it can happen anywhere
happen on a plane it can happen anywhere in the world yeah and do you welcome
in the world yeah and do you welcome those conversations do you like having
those conversations do you like having those sorts of conversations so I think
those sorts of conversations so I think it depends where we are and and it
it depends where we are and and it depends who it is and I always say to
depends who it is and I always say to people as a disclaimer that I don't want
people as a disclaimer that I don't want to give you the belief that I can solve
to give you the belief that I can solve your life in 30 seconds or that I could
your life in 30 seconds or that I could ever solve your life for you totally
ever solve your life for you totally just to be really clear that and I
just to be really clear that and I always say that to people because people
always say that to people because people are like Jay tell me what I need to do
are like Jay tell me what I need to do and I'll be like look I just wanted to
and I'll be like look I just wanted to be fully aware I'm happy to share some
be fully aware I'm happy to share some insights with you but I don't have the
insights with you but I don't have the power or gift or magical ability to
power or gift or magical ability to transform your life and nothing I can
transform your life and nothing I can say in 30 seconds I don't even want to
say in 30 seconds I don't even want to take that responsibility on because we
take that responsibility on because we should really think about this like you
should really think about this like you should reflect on your life like
should reflect on your life like especially when people are making big
especially when people are making big decisions where it's like Jay should I
decisions where it's like Jay should I break up should I move country should I
break up should I move country should I do this and I'm like we're not solving
do this and I'm like we're not solving this in 30 seconds please this is a
this in 30 seconds please this is a bigger conversation yeah and and I like
bigger conversation yeah and and I like people that takes the pressure off me
people that takes the pressure off me but it also takes the pressure off them
but it also takes the pressure off them yeah cuz a lot it's not even about me
yeah cuz a lot it's not even about me this is about the fact that that person
this is about the fact that that person needs to make a really important
needs to make a really important decision and they're putting all the
decision and they're putting all the pressure of their life on that moment
pressure of their life on that moment and actually I'm saying well let's just
and actually I'm saying well let's just take it off and here's a few things I
take it off and here's a few things I want you to reflect and think about and
want you to reflect and think about and I know that will help you and you'll
I know that will help you and you'll figure it out and so yeah I I welcome
figure it out and so yeah I I welcome them because I appreciate that I don't
them because I appreciate that I don't feel that the one holding space and I
feel that the one holding space and I don't believe that I'm the one who has
don't believe that I'm the one who has the power to hold space I believe that
the power to hold space I believe that the Universe holds space I believe that
the Universe holds space I believe that energetically that space is held for
energetically that space is held for others and I don't feel I'm this
others and I don't feel I'm this powerful human being who's who's the one
powerful human being who's who's the one that everything rests on and has the
that everything rests on and has the answer to everything and I think that's
answer to everything and I think that's what allows me to be liberated from it
what allows me to be liberated from it where I'm not like I also don't put the
where I'm not like I also don't put the pressure on myself going God I better
pressure on myself going God I better say the most perfect thing to this I
say the most perfect thing to this I better change this person's life yeah
better change this person's life yeah and I can't and I don't and and I think
and I can't and I don't and and I think once a time I probably did feel that way
once a time I probably did feel that way like when you're when you're immature
like when you're when you're immature and you're in amateur in your work you
and you're in amateur in your work you almost feel like you have to have all
almost feel like you have to have all the answers and I'm like you know what I
the answers and I'm like you know what I don't and it's fine and actually people
don't and it's fine and actually people really appreciate it when you just chat
really appreciate it when you just chat to them and you know and so yeah and and
to them and you know and so yeah and and again you know I'm I'm always happy to
again you know I'm I'm always happy to listen to someone when I can obviously
listen to someone when I can obviously there's sometimes when I'm like rushing
there's sometimes when I'm like rushing late for a plane or I'm trying to get
late for a plane or I'm trying to get into a car or whatever and I can't I
into a car or whatever and I can't I can't do it but I always stop and say
can't do it but I always stop and say hello give someone a hug and all the
hello give someone a hug and all the yeah so I don't know if that answers
yeah so I don't know if that answers your questions but absolutely it does
your questions but absolutely it does yeah I guess what's what you're saying
yeah I guess what's what you're saying about making decisions something that I
about making decisions something that I am constantly battling with myself is
am constantly battling with myself is the inner battle between my gut and my
the inner battle between my gut and my brain I know that sounds really weird
brain I know that sounds really weird like real I go with my gut a lot I'm
like real I go with my gut a lot I'm very very I think a lot of the decisions
very very I think a lot of the decisions I make in life are very sort of
I make in life are very sort of instinctual I don't like to be bombarded
instinctual I don't like to be bombarded with evidence and facts and all that
with evidence and facts and all that sort of stuff I just like to feel a
sort of stuff I just like to feel a certain way about how I would like
certain way about how I would like something to sort of transpire can be
something to sort of transpire can be taking a fil accepting a script doing a
taking a fil accepting a script doing a business deal buying a house like it's
business deal buying a house like it's all sorts of different things through
all sorts of different things through your monk life did you feel like you
your monk life did you feel like you would rely on your kind of inner
would rely on your kind of inner instincts rather than like getting the
instincts rather than like getting the evidence of this is going to make you
evidence of this is going to make you this much money or if you do that these
this much money or if you do that these are the risks how do you where do you
are the risks how do you where do you stand with that sort of thing that was
stand with that sort of thing that was the most poorly worded question you know
the most poorly worded question you know what I mean no no no mate mate I think
what I mean no no no mate mate I think both I think this has been such a
both I think this has been such a conversation that that is what a
conversation that that is what a question sounds like in a conversation
question sounds like in a conversation and think I've asked youir poorly
and think I've asked youir poorly questions today as well but I think
questions today as well but I think that's what
that's what real rather mate I've got question one
real rather mate I've got question one like right but no I I I think I get what
like right but no I I I think I get what you're saying and if I go on the wrong
you're saying and if I go on the wrong track let me know but living as a monk
track let me know but living as a monk you're trained to understand that
you're trained to understand that everything exists in a certain mode and
everything exists in a certain mode and so I'll explain what that means and so
so I'll explain what that means and so in the monk philosophy there are three
in the monk philosophy there are three modes and the modes are the mode of
modes and the modes are the mode of ignorance the mode of passion and the
ignorance the mode of passion and the mode of goodness and said that every
mode of goodness and said that every decision every thought every action
decision every thought every action every intention every relationship can
every intention every relationship can be in the mode of ignorance mode of
be in the mode of ignorance mode of passion or mode of goodness and the mode
passion or mode of goodness and the mode of ignorance is where your relationships
of ignorance is where your relationships or any Act is based on insecurity or
or any Act is based on insecurity or fear so when you're doing something out
fear so when you're doing something out of fear or you're doing it out of
of fear or you're doing it out of insecurity or you're doing it out of
insecurity or you're doing it out of pressure that's considered the mode of
pressure that's considered the mode of ignorance and energetically we all feel
ignorance and energetically we all feel that right like you know whether you I
that right like you know whether you I would know whether you were being forced
would know whether you were being forced to do this interview today out of out
to do this interview today out of out some sort of fear or some sort of
some sort of fear or some sort of whatever it may be the mode of passion
whatever it may be the mode of passion is where you're doing something because
is where you're doing something because you want a certain result you're doing
you want a certain result you're doing it just for the reward you're doing it
it just for the reward you're doing it just because it's going to get you what
just because it's going to get you what you want it's going to get you to the
you want it's going to get you to the goal okay and so that's considered the
goal okay and so that's considered the mode of passion and again energetically
mode of passion and again energetically you can tell that when someone has an
you can tell that when someone has an agenda or someone wants something out of
agenda or someone wants something out of you I've come here to get my point
you I've come here to get my point across on something or right totally and
across on something or right totally and then finally the mode of goodness is the
then finally the mode of goodness is the energy of like I feel really at peace I
energy of like I feel really at peace I feel really at ease this feels aligned
feel really at ease this feels aligned with my values and therefore it feels
with my values and therefore it feels like the right decision and so we were
like the right decision and so we were trained to sense energetically whether
trained to sense energetically whether things felt like the mode of ignorance
things felt like the mode of ignorance mode of passion or mode of goodness
mode of passion or mode of goodness which was a really helpful framework
which was a really helpful framework because sometimes things were really
because sometimes things were really hard to just sense without knowing where
hard to just sense without knowing where it sat in terms of a characteristic
it sat in terms of a characteristic that's so interesting and so that was
that's so interesting and so that was really really helpful at the time and so
really really helpful at the time and so I find that I'm I'm the same as you
I find that I'm I'm the same as you where I make decisions
where I make decisions energetically but I think having moved
energetically but I think having moved into the real world again I felt that I
into the real world again I felt that I had to start getting used to
had to start getting used to understanding other elements kind of
understanding other elements kind of what you mentioned earlier which I loved
what you mentioned earlier which I loved which was like I wish they had a class
which was like I wish they had a class on life at school because it's like you
on life at school because it's like you haven't paid your bill and you know you
haven't paid your bill and you know you you know there's football players not
you know there's football players not paying their taxes or whatever it may be
paying their taxes or whatever it may be and like uh that may be for different
and like uh that may be for different reasons but anyway you get the point
reasons but anyway you get the point that that there's some things that you
that that there's some things that you just don't know and so what I've started
just don't know and so what I've started to do and I've said this a few times and
to do and I've said this a few times and that's why it's a little formula that I
that's why it's a little formula that I use when I sit down with someone whether
use when I sit down with someone whether it's business whether it's relationships
it's business whether it's relationships whether it's work even whether it's this
whether it's work even whether it's this the first thing is always energy that's
the first thing is always energy that's my first gate that I that I want to get
my first gate that I that I want to get through and if I don't feel
through and if I don't feel energetically aligned with someone then
energetically aligned with someone then already there's no future here like it's
already there's no future here like it's not going anywhere wow and then the next
not going anywhere wow and then the next thing I look at is strategically if it's
thing I look at is strategically if it's business so if it's personal it's only
business so if it's personal it's only energy but if it's business I look at
energy but if it's business I look at well I like this person energetically do
well I like this person energetically do I think they're strategically aligned
I think they're strategically aligned with where this has to go like do I
with where this has to go like do I think they can actually implement this
think they can actually implement this do I believe because a lot of people
do I believe because a lot of people have great energy but they don't know
have great energy but they don't know how to implement anything and then
how to implement anything and then finally I look at well does the money
finally I look at well does the money align does the monetary value align with
align does the monetary value align with the energy and strategy sure that's been
the energy and strategy sure that's been my business version of what I love
my business version of what I love learned as a monk so what you're saying
learned as a monk so what you're saying then that is a combination of both
then that is a combination of both correct allowing like you're gut your
correct allowing like you're gut your energy to kind of allow yourself to
energy to kind of allow yourself to pursue further the opportunity yeah and
pursue further the opportunity yeah and then you take a sort of mental look at
then you take a sort of mental look at it to be like I'm accepting the
it to be like I'm accepting the opportunity from a emotional point of
opportunity from a emotional point of view now I need to see if it makes sort
view now I need to see if it makes sort of logical sense correct and if it
of logical sense correct and if it doesn't then we're going to stop there
doesn't then we're going to stop there again yeah exactly so I I found that
again yeah exactly so I I found that more useful for me because I found that
more useful for me because I found that energetically I can get excited about a
energetically I can get excited about a lot of stuff yeah the same and I'm and
lot of stuff yeah the same and I'm and I'm that kind of person and again I
I'm that kind of person and again I never want to block that at the same
never want to block that at the same time I think we have to become more
time I think we have to become more selective with our opportunities and
selective with our opportunities and know when to say no and know how to
know when to say no and know how to manage and that's at least help me sure
manage and that's at least help me sure so again I'm not saying anyone has to
so again I'm not saying anyone has to live like that I'm just that's that's
live like that I'm just that's that's it's interesting it's really interesting
it's interesting it's really interesting I I am very much like go off my G I tell
I I am very much like go off my G I tell you what my mom is an unbelievable judge
you what my mom is an unbelievable judge of character wow and I think she might
of character wow and I think she might have without knowing what you're talking
have without knowing what you're talking about where she can pick up on people's
about where she can pick up on people's energies yeah because we can meet a new
energies yeah because we can meet a new person as a family we've met this new
person as a family we've met this new person three of us could love this new
person three of us could love this new person and another three could not like
person and another three could not like this new person and my mom will be like
this new person and my mom will be like no no don't like that person and then
no no don't like that person and then within six months all of us are like do
within six months all of us are like do you remember that person that we were
you remember that person that we were really good friends with for a little
really good friends with for a little bit she's really got a Keen Eye for
bit she's really got a Keen Eye for people that we would get along with yeah
people that we would get along with yeah she's amazing like that moms are like
she's amazing like that moms are like that now that you say that all my mates
that now that you say that all my mates who let me down when I was a teenager
who let me down when I was a teenager your every time and I was like Mom no
your every time and I was like Mom no they're my best friend I'm never going
they're my best friend I'm never going to leave them they're like a brother to
to leave them they're like a brother to me and then like s months later the
me and then like s months later the person stab you in the back and then
person stab you in the back and then you're like oh mom like you know but the
you're like oh mom like you know but the good thing about is they wouldn't judge
good thing about is they wouldn't judge you for it you know they're like look I
you for it you know they're like look I told you but you have to make your own
told you but you have to make your own mistakes yeah exactly exactly but I it's
mistakes yeah exactly exactly but I it's interesting that you've been able to
interesting that you've been able to hold on to that and I love that do you
hold on to that and I love that do you feel like you were asking me about
feel like you were asking me about moving to LA and I I think what have you
moving to LA and I I think what have you felt and there's a part of you that's
felt and there's a part of you that's obviously wanting to be back in Kingston
obviously wanting to be back in Kingston be back to who you are have you felt
be back to who you are have you felt that there's been parts of yourself that
that there's been parts of yourself that have been challenged I don't feel
have been challenged I don't feel sitting with you today that you know I I
sitting with you today that you know I I don't know you before I don't know you
don't know you before I don't know you after I've only met you today so I I
after I've only met you today so I I can't judge who you are or
can't judge who you are or what you enjoy I all I can say is that
what you enjoy I all I can say is that when I'm sitting with you today I feel
when I'm sitting with you today I feel like I'm sitting with an authentic
like I'm sitting with an authentic individual and your energy comes across
individual and your energy comes across very easily thank you do you feel like
very easily thank you do you feel like you've had to hold on to that at times
you've had to hold on to that at times with opportunities challenges the
with opportunities challenges the industry or or is that all stuff that we
industry or or is that all stuff that we kind of make up in our heads and it's
kind of make up in our heads and it's actually just be yourself and you're
actually just be yourself and you're fine I really don't know the answer to
fine I really don't know the answer to that question I I I've definitely walked
that question I I I've definitely walked away from a lot and I think had I not
away from a lot and I think had I not walked away from certain situations
walked away from certain situations let's just put it at that I would be a
let's just put it at that I would be a very different person today I've been
very different person today I've been really good at keeping in touch with my
really good at keeping in touch with my friends keeping my family close
friends keeping my family close listening to the
listening to the lessons not getting caught up in the
lessons not getting caught up in the Hollywood hype like I really am a
Hollywood hype like I really am a massive fan of making movies but I
massive fan of making movies but I really do not like Hollywood it is not
really do not like Hollywood it is not for me that the business really scares
for me that the business really scares me I understand that I'm a part of that
me I understand that I'm a part of that business and I enjoy my kind of
business and I enjoy my kind of interactions with it but that said I am
interactions with it but that said I am always looking for ways to kind of
always looking for ways to kind of remove myself from it to kind of just
remove myself from it to kind of just live as normal a life as possible today
live as normal a life as possible today doing this is a very rare thing for me
doing this is a very rare thing for me to do like in London to come in and
to do like in London to come in and speak to someone about my life is
speak to someone about my life is something I would not typically do but
something I would not typically do but because I'm a fan of yours and I was
because I'm a fan of yours and I was Keen to kind of hear what you had to say
Keen to kind of hear what you had to say and and chat to you today I felt like
and and chat to you today I felt like this would be a safe space for me to do
this would be a safe space for me to do that um but yeah I definitely think it
that um but yeah I definitely think it has been an ongoing thought which is
has been an ongoing thought which is Don't Lose Yourself I've seen so many
Don't Lose Yourself I've seen so many people come before me and lose
people come before me and lose themselves and I've had friends that
themselves and I've had friends that I've grown up with that aren't friends
I've grown up with that aren't friends of mine anymore because they've lost
of mine anymore because they've lost themselves to this business and I just
themselves to this business and I just am really really Keen to focus on what
am really really Keen to focus on what makes me happy which is my family it's
makes me happy which is my family it's my friends it's my carpentry my golf um
my friends it's my carpentry my golf um the charity that my mom runs like that
the charity that my mom runs like that is the stuff that makes me really happy
is the stuff that makes me really happy and that's the stuff that I should
and that's the stuff that I should protect my relationship is the thing
protect my relationship is the thing that I keep most sacred I don't talk
that I keep most sacred I don't talk about it I I try my my best to keep it
about it I I try my my best to keep it as private as possible we both feel very
as private as possible we both feel very strongly that that is the healthiest way
strongly that that is the healthiest way for us to to move on as a couple um so I
for us to to move on as a couple um so I do try to keep as removed from it as
do try to keep as removed from it as possible like you'll never see me at an
possible like you'll never see me at an award show that I don't have to be at
award show that I don't have to be at I'm never going to a red carpet event
I'm never going to a red carpet event that I'm not in the film of you know I
that I'm not in the film of you know I don't want the attention when I don't
don't want the attention when I don't need it I love the spotlight I love the
need it I love the spotlight I love the pressure that comes with it just watch
pressure that comes with it just watch that tennis documentary breaking point I
that tennis documentary breaking point I haven't seen it yet I love you got see
haven't seen it yet I love you got see it it's amazing I never realized how
it it's amazing I never realized how brutal tennis was I've always been a
brutal tennis was I've always been a huge tennis lover I am now absolutely in
huge tennis lover I am now absolutely in awe of what those athletes go through
awe of what those athletes go through but there's a quote from Billy Jean King
but there's a quote from Billy Jean King that's on the um stand at her Stadium in
that's on the um stand at her Stadium in New York that says pressure is a
New York that says pressure is a privilege and that is so true like oh my
privilege and that is so true like oh my God feeling pressure on a daily basis in
God feeling pressure on a daily basis in the capacity that we feel is such a
the capacity that we feel is such a privilege I love feeling pressure I feel
privilege I love feeling pressure I feel like I thrive Under Pressure the best
like I thrive Under Pressure the best golf I've ever played in my life is when
golf I've ever played in my life is when there are cameras around and people are
there are cameras around and people are watching
watching I just think that that is a real amazing
I just think that that is a real amazing thing to be able to experience so I
thing to be able to experience so I enjoy it while I can and then when it
enjoy it while I can and then when it becomes a bit much I kind of become a
becomes a bit much I kind of become a bit of a recluse and I disappear I come
bit of a recluse and I disappear I come back to Kingston I play golf I play
back to Kingston I play golf I play tennis I hang out with my friends and my
tennis I hang out with my friends and my family do the pub quiz and and all that
family do the pub quiz and and all that sort of stuff yeah um so yeah so it is
sort of stuff yeah um so yeah so it is something I actively try to do as I get
something I actively try to do as I get older it only gets easier yeah yeah
older it only gets easier yeah yeah absolutely yeah and and I I can I can
absolutely yeah and and I I can I can relate to that where in in my in my
relate to that where in in my in my small way or in my world where a lot of
small way or in my world where a lot of my friends think like I'm in La like
my friends think like I'm in La like always at events always at Pi I'm I'm
always at events always at Pi I'm I'm not I'm like in bed by 9:30 p.m. and I
not I'm like in bed by 9:30 p.m. and I only live there because it works for me
only live there because it works for me in the world that I do and what I do and
in the world that I do and what I do and sure and and I enjoy living in LA but
sure and and I enjoy living in LA but it's it I don't live there for Hollywood
it's it I don't live there for Hollywood and I think that's often the perception
and I think that's often the perception as well I was like oh you're all
as well I was like oh you're all Hollywood now and I'm like well no not
Hollywood now and I'm like well no not really like I I don't re I don't really
really like I I don't re I don't really go to all the events and Gatherings and
go to all the events and Gatherings and stuff unless I need to be there or I'm
stuff unless I need to be there or I'm connected to a project so so I relate to
connected to a project so so I relate to that what you mentioned a few things
that what you mentioned a few things there but if I had to ask you is Tom
there but if I had to ask you is Tom when do you feel most yourself like when
when do you feel most yourself like when do you feel most connected or and what
do you feel most connected or and what are you trying to reconnect to if you're
are you trying to reconnect to if you're like well I know what it is but I'm
like well I know what it is but I'm still figuring it out again I think what
still figuring it out again I think what I feel most myself is to do in my
I feel most myself is to do in my relationship so I'm going to leave that
relationship so I'm going to leave that and not talk about that absolutely but I
and not talk about that absolutely but I think the other thing and this is such a
think the other thing and this is such a stupid thing but it's when I'm playing
stupid thing but it's when I'm playing good golf like there's something about
good golf like there's something about how go golf is the most humbling sport
how go golf is the most humbling sport in the world it doesn't matter who you
in the world it doesn't matter who you are doesn't matter how much money you've
are doesn't matter how much money you've got how successful you are
got how successful you are golf will batter you no matter who you
golf will batter you no matter who you are and I love that's what I love about
are and I love that's what I love about it you know you it's such a leveling
it you know you it's such a leveling sport I love going to a golf course and
sport I love going to a golf course and meeting new people that I've never
meeting new people that I've never played with before playing around a golf
played with before playing around a golf I struggle when I don't play badly like
I struggle when I don't play badly like I've got a bit of a temper and like
I've got a bit of a temper and like you're supposed to have 14 clubs in your
you're supposed to have 14 clubs in your bag I currently have nine and you can
bag I currently have nine and you can probably guess why um but I I just love
probably guess why um but I I just love being outside I've always been an
being outside I've always been an outdoorsy person I love being on the
outdoorsy person I love being on the golf course I love my mates they all
golf course I love my mates they all love playing golf there's just something
love playing golf there's just something about the challenge of shooting lower
about the challenge of shooting lower than your lowest score that really kind
than your lowest score that really kind of takes my mind off of the work the
of takes my mind off of the work the interesting thing about golf is that you
interesting thing about golf is that you could be having a terrible day you could
could be having a terrible day you could be really upset about something and if
be really upset about something and if you play really well you completely
you play really well you completely forget about it if you play really badly
forget about it if you play really badly you then are playing badly because of
you then are playing badly because of what's happening outside of golf it's
what's happening outside of golf it's like a really weird kind of Catch 22 I
like a really weird kind of Catch 22 I guess um but I love it I think when I'm
guess um but I love it I think when I'm playing good golf is when I feel most
playing good golf is when I feel most like myself yeah wow that's that's
like myself yeah wow that's that's that's a unique answer but I get it
that's a unique answer but I get it saying yeah I've only ever played golf
saying yeah I've only ever played golf like twice in my life right and I
like twice in my life right and I totally get the point of how humbling it
totally get the point of how humbling it is is horrendous no matter how quickly
is is horrendous no matter how quickly you pick up other things in life golf is
you pick up other things in life golf is not one of those things that you pick up
not one of those things that you pick up that easily you can sign the biggest
that easily you can sign the biggest deal of your life and go out to play
deal of your life and go out to play golf to celebrate and it will ruin your
golf to celebrate and it will ruin your day like absolutely ruin day don't go
day like absolutely ruin day don't go out to play golf to celebrate out to
out to play golf to celebrate out to celebrate no crazy do you play do you
celebrate no crazy do you play do you still play any sport I love playing
still play any sport I love playing football when I'm back here so that's
football when I'm back here so that's one of the things my mates know that
one of the things my mates know that when I'm back in London we're going to
when I'm back in London we're going to play a game where do you play well we
play a game where do you play well we just we we will just play on like a
just we we will just play on like a seven aside pitch or a five aside pitch
seven aside pitch or a five aside pitch like close to Northwest London which is
like close to Northwest London which is where most my mates are so like store
where most my mates are so like store edgear Watford that's like where all my
edgear Watford that's like where all my main mates are and so we'll just go rent
main mates are and so we'll just go rent a pitch kick a boil about I'm not any
a pitch kick a boil about I'm not any good anymore but I still got the full
good anymore but I still got the full kit and the socks all that kind I always
kit and the socks all that kind I always look dressed
look dressed bro I've actually got Neymar's kit like
bro I've actually got Neymar's kit like from him wow so you best believe I show
from him wow so you best believe I show up to five as side in his full kit I
up to five as side in his full kit I love it I love it is it signed by him
love it I love it is it signed by him too no it's not signed by that's just
too no it's not signed by that's just yeah that's just his kid we went on a
yeah that's just his kid we went on a lad's holiday to Portugal recently to
lad's holiday to Portugal recently to play golf and at the resort we were
play golf and at the resort we were staying at the the people were so nice
staying at the the people were so nice they said let's have an England versus
they said let's have an England versus Portugal football match there was like I
Portugal football match there was like I think there was eight of us and there
think there was eight of us and there was a bunch of Brits that were working
was a bunch of Brits that were working at the resort so they kind of joined our
at the resort so they kind of joined our team and we literally did England versus
team and we literally did England versus Portugal is a full-size pitch we did 60
Portugal is a full-size pitch we did 60 Minutes 30 minutes each way I'm fit I
Minutes 30 minutes each way I'm fit I train every day I absolutely love my
train every day I absolutely love my fitness I really really like I'm into it
fitness I really really like I'm into it by the end I could not make Five Paces
by the end I could not make Five Paces without my legs cramping up they are so
without my legs cramping up they are so fit these football players it's
fit these football players it's unbelievable and we won and it's so
unbelievable and we won and it's so funny how the first 10 minutes of the
funny how the first 10 minutes of the game was really friendly like soft fouls
game was really friendly like soft fouls sorry mate like your free kick and by
sorry mate like your free kick and by the end it was Savage it was really
the end it was Savage it was really intense wow at least you won though we
intense wow at least you won though we won I got an assist it was actually a
won I got an assist it was actually a glorious assist as well actually I just
glorious assist as well actually I just I pinged the ball over the top my
I pinged the ball over the top my brother made a run and it bounced and he
brother made a run and it bounced and he managed to get his foot to it and he
managed to get his foot to it and he chipped the keeper and scored it was but
chipped the keeper and scored it was but there's no footage there there's no
there's no footage there there's no footage no proof yeah no proof yeah no
footage no proof yeah no proof yeah no proof I sometimes think when the whole
proof I sometimes think when the whole no proof thing like we had the craziest
no proof thing like we had the craziest experience of my life the other day I'll
experience of my life the other day I'll tell you about it because our lives are
tell you about it because our lives are so crazy like there's no why would I lie
so crazy like there's no why would I lie but the other day we went swimming with
but the other day we went swimming with killer whales in Mexico I said the other
killer whales in Mexico I said the other day it was last year and it was one of
day it was last year and it was one of the most humbling experiences of my life
the most humbling experiences of my life there's no proof of it there's no
there's no proof of it there's no evidence because it was so off the cuff
evidence because it was so off the cuff we weren't planning on doing it so most
we weren't planning on doing it so most people I tell are like you definitely
people I tell are like you definitely didn't do that but we we were in we were
didn't do that but we we were in we were in Mexico and we were on a boat and we
in Mexico and we were on a boat and we just so happened to see this pot of
just so happened to see this pot of Ora Jack my security guard thought it'
Ora Jack my security guard thought it' be a good idea to jump in he jumped
be a good idea to jump in he jumped straight in flippers on goggles on and
straight in flippers on goggles on and we were driving to keep up with the
we were driving to keep up with the Wales cuz they were kind of following
Wales cuz they were kind of following our boat so by the time Jack had jumped
our boat so by the time Jack had jumped in he was like this he was like 100 m
in he was like this he was like 100 m away and you could see him and the
away and you could see him and the whales were like swimming around him so
whales were like swimming around him so I'm starting to freak out cuz he's a
I'm starting to freak out cuz he's a good friend of mine and he's your
good friend of mine and he's your security and he's my security I'm like
security and he's my security I'm like Jack we got to get back to the hotel bro
Jack we got to get back to the hotel bro um so I said to the guy like excuse me
um so I said to the guy like excuse me sir can you turn around and go and get
sir can you turn around and go and get my friend CU we now can't see him
my friend CU we now can't see him anymore like he's gone we found him we
anymore like he's gone we found him we got him back in the boat and he sort of
got him back in the boat and he sort of said like Lads you have to get in there
said like Lads you have to get in there it's unlike anything you've ever seen
it's unlike anything you've ever seen before my brother Harry's like Googling
before my brother Harry's like Googling whether or not it's safe to swim with
whether or not it's safe to swim with them and it's sort of the general
them and it's sort of the general consensus online is don't go swimming
consensus online is don't go swimming with killer whales you can there's never
with killer whales you can there's never been a recorded tack in the wild but
been a recorded tack in the wild but they are wild animals big as a bus and
they are wild animals big as a bus and also Jack's giving it like don't worry
also Jack's giving it like don't worry Tom I'll be there I'll look after you
Tom I'll be there I'll look after you I'm like Jack what are you going to do
I'm like Jack what are you going to do bro like what's this this whale decides
bro like what's this this whale decides to eat me so anyway we put the flippers
to eat me so anyway we put the flippers on put the goggles on we find the whales
on put the goggles on we find the whales they're sort of interacting with the
they're sort of interacting with the back of the boat they're clearly
back of the boat they're clearly curious and I just thought like I guess
curious and I just thought like I guess it goes back to what you're saying the
it goes back to what you're saying the mode of ignorance I just was like I'm
mode of ignorance I just was like I'm going to try it and see what happens I
going to try it and see what happens I jumped in my brother jumped in Jack
jumped in my brother jumped in Jack jumped in we kind of came together with
jumped in we kind of came together with 30 miles out of the coast so it's
30 miles out of the coast so it's literally like dark blue water nothing
literally like dark blue water nothing below us and to my relief the whales had
below us and to my relief the whales had gone we couldn't see them so I'm sort of
gone we couldn't see them so I'm sort of thinking oh well that that's actually a
thinking oh well that that's actually a bit of a touch at least I can say I
bit of a touch at least I can say I jumped in and they have gone but then
jumped in and they have gone but then Jack said look down and we looked down
Jack said look down and we looked down and it came from beneath us and what has
and it came from beneath us and what has been such an interesting experience for
been such an interesting experience for me was as soon as I saw the whale I
me was as soon as I saw the whale I wasn't scared anymore because I could
wasn't scared anymore because I could just
just tell that it wasn't going to eat me you
tell that it wasn't going to eat me you I don't know I don't know how to explain
I don't know I don't know how to explain it but you could just see from its body
it but you could just see from its body language I remember it so vividly it
language I remember it so vividly it swam up to us it was maybe 10 met below
swam up to us it was maybe 10 met below us and it was kind of motionlessly sort
us and it was kind of motionlessly sort of just looking at us and then it kind
of just looking at us and then it kind of rolled on its back it did this weird
of rolled on its back it did this weird thing where it kind of put its head like
thing where it kind of put its head like this and you could see it's eye like we
this and you could see it's eye like we were having this crazy like moment and
were having this crazy like moment and then it just swam off and it was gone
then it just swam off and it was gone and then for 3 hours afterwards I
and then for 3 hours afterwards I couldn't speak I had the biggest
couldn't speak I had the biggest adrenaline dump I just basically was
adrenaline dump I just basically was asleep but it was such an amazing
asleep but it was such an amazing experience to sort of meet the apex
experience to sort of meet the apex predator of the world and it kind of
predator of the world and it kind of look at you and just swim away most
look at you and just swim away most people don't believe me because I
people don't believe me because I believe there's no evidence but it was I
believe there's no evidence but it was I think about it now and then as you know
think about it now and then as you know what it's so funny as well I see these I
what it's so funny as well I see these I like our planet there's there's more
like our planet there's there's more footage of orkers hunting and another
footage of orkers hunting and another way in which they hunt there is no way I
way in which they hunt there is no way I would do that again there's no way I'd
would do that again there's no way I'd get in there again but yeah it
get in there again but yeah it Wasing hearing you explain it is like
Wasing hearing you explain it is like you're so present yeah like you can tell
you're so present yeah like you can tell that you're just you were so present in
that you're just you were so present in that moment like you stopped thinking
that moment like you stopped thinking about like I we you know if I told this
about like I we you know if I told this Afters no one's going to believe me or
Afters no one's going to believe me or whatever it is you're just like wait a
whatever it is you're just like wait a minute yeah you know nature makes you
minute yeah you know nature makes you present like that and and that's what I
present like that and and that's what I love about nature is it's completely
love about nature is it's completely unbiased as well like if that whale
unbiased as well like if that whale wanted to have a snack then you know
wanted to have a snack then you know it's not looking at you going oh no but
it's not looking at you going oh no but that's a famous person I got a leave him
that's a famous person I got a leave him alone or it just you are at one with
alone or it just you are at one with Mother Nature we are in the middle of
Mother Nature we are in the middle of the ocean there's nothing we could do
the ocean there's nothing we could do and we just were able to enjoy somewhat
and we just were able to enjoy somewhat maybe like being in the cave like you
maybe like being in the cave like you were saying it was just about us and
were saying it was just about us and this way
this way my brother and I were holding hands but
my brother and I were holding hands but then as soon as it presented itself to
then as soon as it presented itself to us any stress just dissipated and it was
us any stress just dissipated and it was just this unbelievable experience and it
just this unbelievable experience and it was so leveling it was so humbling that
was so leveling it was so humbling that it makes me feel like I can take on
it makes me feel like I can take on certain things so it was honestly even
certain things so it was honestly even thinking about the experience now my
thinking about the experience now my heart is racing yeah yeah I can imagine
heart is racing yeah yeah I can imagine yeah it was it was wild yeah it was a
yeah it was it was wild yeah it was a cool experience unbelievable that's
cool experience unbelievable that's that's an incredible experience and it
that's an incredible experience and it is different from the cave though
is different from the cave though because I do think it's it's different
because I do think it's it's different when you're with with another living
when you're with with another living being sure and so that's what I found
being sure and so that's what I found like my my closest experience to what
like my my closest experience to what you're talking about is I went tracking
you're talking about is I went tracking with well looking for mountain gorilla
with well looking for mountain gorilla in Rwanda last year oh that's top of my
in Rwanda last year oh that's top of my list I would love to do that okay yeah
list I would love to do that okay yeah we we should do it I would do that again
we we should do it I would do that again any day because it was unbelievable so
any day because it was unbelievable so you're not again these gorillas are not
you're not again these gorillas are not like in a park or something in they're
like in a park or something in they're Mountain Gilla they're in their world
Mountain Gilla they're in their world and you go and look for them and there's
and you go and look for them and there's no tagging devices or any t there's
no tagging devices or any t there's people who have watched the gorilla for
people who have watched the gorilla for so many years that they know where their
so many years that they know where their droppings are they know where families
droppings are they know where families hang out they know what their routines
hang out they know what their routines are so depending on what time you're
are so depending on what time you're going out there's someone who's just
going out there's someone who's just around them who's calling their friend U
around them who's calling their friend U calling your guide saying walk this
calling your guide saying walk this exactly just just to make it very very
exactly just just to make it very very clear that you know the mon the gorilla
clear that you know the mon the gorilla is being treated very well uh so you're
is being treated very well uh so you're literally looking around and you could
literally looking around and you could be on the lookout for them for like two
be on the lookout for them for like two to 6 hours you may not find them you're
to 6 hours you may not find them you're just hiking I love that that you might
just hiking I love that that you might not find yeah you might not find them so
not find yeah you might not find them so we found them in 2 hours one group that
we found them in 2 hours one group that we heard about cuz you go in smaller
we heard about cuz you go in smaller groups of like 10 the other group that
groups of like 10 the other group that we were friends with they took eight
we were friends with they took eight hours to find gorillas but they saw them
hours to find gorillas but they saw them too and when I went I was kind of like
too and when I went I was kind of like oh we're going to see one gorilla
oh we're going to see one gorilla whatever like they're going to be far
whatever like they're going to be far away like I was a bit skeptical because
away like I was a bit skeptical because I didn't know how it was going to be and
I didn't know how it was going to be and it was incredible because we looked
it was incredible because we looked around for two hours and I'll show you
around for two hours and I'll show you the video afterwards but we got and we
the video afterwards but we got and we just saw them like hanging out kind of
just saw them like hanging out kind of like how I'm looking at everyone here
like how I'm looking at everyone here just hanging out still and then all of a
just hanging out still and then all of a sudden and they all started walking
sudden and they all started walking together and there was a family of 20
together and there was a family of 20 gorillas and you got two silver backs
gorillas and you got two silver backs that are like you know they're like
that are like you know they're like their fists are like just huge yeah
their fists are like just huge yeah exactly and and it was really
exactly and and it was really interesting because the guides who were
interesting because the guides who were there with us they said to us that when
there with us they said to us that when you go close to them kind of like and
you go close to them kind of like and this is why I remembered it and why I'm
this is why I remembered it and why I'm telling you it's because when you were
telling you it's because when you were talking about the way the whale looked
talking about the way the whale looked at you and it was kind of like you knew
at you and it was kind of like you knew it wasn't going to eat you yeah yeah
it wasn't going to eat you yeah yeah yeah and so they were saying that when
yeah and so they were saying that when you get close to these gorillas the only
you get close to these gorillas the only thing you can't do is you can't touch
thing you can't do is you can't touch their kids and you can't touch them
their kids and you can't touch them going to drop something near their kids
going to drop something near their kids and then try get it back because they'll
and then try get it back because they'll think you're trying to harm their kids
think you're trying to harm their kids totally but what they recommended was
totally but what they recommended was they said you had to make this sound
they said you had to make this sound when you see them and this sound means
when you see them and this sound means we come in peace and so the sound
we come in peace and so the sound was so that's you have to make that
was so that's you have to make that sound I was all right this is some
sound I was all right this is some Disneyland stuff whatever I like I'm not
Disneyland stuff whatever I like I'm not believing this stuff like whatever like
believing this stuff like whatever like I was all I'm going to play around with
I was all I'm going to play around with them and so I'm walking around so we go
them and so I'm walking around so we go to the gorilla and we get close to them
to the gorilla and we get close to them and I made that sound cuz we were told
and I made that sound cuz we were told they were like make that sound and then
they were like make that sound and then the gorilla did it back and it was just
the gorilla did it back and it was just unbelievable and then there was this one
unbelievable and then there was this one moment where we were walking and we were
moment where we were walking and we were literally surrounded by Gorilla and now
literally surrounded by Gorilla and now I was getting it and that's when I was
I was getting it and that's when I was like a bit scared because they were like
like a bit scared because they were like all around us and like literally if they
all around us and like literally if they ran at you like I'm done you nothing you
ran at you like I'm done you nothing you can do nothing nothing you can do and so
can do nothing nothing you can do and so we're walking they're walking around us
we're walking they're walking around us and this massive silver bat came up so
and this massive silver bat came up so I'm my business manager was with me as
I'm my business manager was with me as well and so he's there he's like my
well and so he's there he's like my godfather in La like he really takes
godfather in La like he really takes care of me very close to him and so this
care of me very close to him and so this big um this big gorilla that walks
big um this big gorilla that walks behind him and I'm looking at him going
behind him and I'm looking at him going oh man like he stopped and we're all
oh man like he stopped and we're all looking at him because he's got this
looking at him because he's got this massive silver back behind him and I'm
massive silver back behind him and I'm and we're all like how do we tell them
and we're all like how do we tell them to move and the guy's like just be still
to move and the guy's like just be still like just you know be really present
like just you know be really present like you can't freak out and the gorilla
like you can't freak out and the gorilla just
just went wow behind him and he moved out the
went wow behind him and he moved out the way and just walked past and it was just
way and just walked past and it was just it was that same presence that you're
it was that same presence that you're feeling that I felt with that's what I
feeling that I felt with that's what I mean the living being with another
mean the living being with another living being is is spectacular so do you
living being is is spectacular so do you think that level of ease comes from the
think that level of ease comes from the helpless nature of being in the presence
helpless nature of being in the presence of an animal that could do to you
of an animal that could do to you whatever they want to like I think part
whatever they want to like I think part of the reason why I felt so calm when
of the reason why I felt so calm when the whale had come up was because there
the whale had come up was because there was nothing we could do should it go
was nothing we could do should it go sideways yeah and I think being almost
sideways yeah and I think being almost finding that kind of inner piece of like
finding that kind of inner piece of like I've made my mind this is the choices
I've made my mind this is the choices I've made I'm here now there's nothing I
I've made I'm here now there's nothing I can do it's almost like you should make
can do it's almost like you should make peace with your choices I guess yeah I
peace with your choices I guess yeah I don't know no no no I think that's I
don't know no no no I think that's I think you've actually taken it somewhere
think you've actually taken it somewhere really beautiful m i I think for me as
really beautiful m i I think for me as well it's humility yeah that's what and
well it's humility yeah that's what and like when you when you meet someone new
like when you when you meet someone new rarely are we humble sure we we often
rarely are we humble sure we we often feel the pressure to be like oh look at
feel the pressure to be like oh look at who I am or like you know or we're
who I am or like you know or we're trying to create even if it's not out of
trying to create even if it's not out of ego there's a certain sense of like
ego there's a certain sense of like wanting to gain people's like and
wanting to gain people's like and respect
no matter what I do this whale or gorilla is not going to like or respect
gorilla is not going to like or respect me so I just be humble about it and pce
me so I just be humble about it and pce as you said and it levels you and it
as you said and it levels you and it levels you and it and it allows that
levels you and it and it allows that human being that that being also of
human being that that being also of course it's not you know of course we're
course it's not you know of course we're not re there's no we're not recommending
not re there's no we're not recommending that you just go into these
that you just go into these places yeah but the idea being that I do
places yeah but the idea being that I do think there's something magical about
think there's something magical about nature where humility is kind of
nature where humility is kind of Nature's Way MH and it is that what
Nature's Way MH and it is that what you're saying that when you're at peace
you're saying that when you're at peace with your choices is and you're at peace
with your choices is and you're at peace with here we are here I am I can't do
with here we are here I am I can't do anything and guess what it's okay right
anything and guess what it's okay right that's what I'm saying yeah it's
that's what I'm saying yeah it's somewhat sort of like I've made a
somewhat sort of like I've made a decision if the decision is a mistake
decision if the decision is a mistake you got to live with it CU you made it I
you got to live with it CU you made it I guess I want to talk about um Sports cuz
guess I want to talk about um Sports cuz I was think so I play a lot of tennis
I was think so I play a lot of tennis play a lot of football play a lot of
play a lot of football play a lot of pickle ball now you play a l pickle
pickle ball now you play a l pickle because that's that's become a thing but
because that's that's become a thing but but I'm massively more into paddle I
but I'm massively more into paddle I don't you ever I love paddle tennis I
don't you ever I love paddle tennis I love paddle padd tennis is so I want
love paddle padd tennis is so I want that to blow up the us but it's not
that to blow up the us but it's not going to so when I went to Dubai and I
going to so when I went to Dubai and I went to Miami and I went to Madrid cuz
went to Miami and I went to Madrid cuz big in Spain M are they playing it here
big in Spain M are they playing it here yeah my local Tennis Club has got two
yeah my local Tennis Club has got two courts and like you can't book them
courts and like you can't book them they're so sold out all right honestly
they're so sold out all right honestly paddle tennis I love tennis yeah I think
paddle tennis I love tennis yeah I think tennis is one of the best sports in the
tennis is one of the best sports in the world and I think that you know they are
world and I think that you know they are the highest performing athletes some of
the highest performing athletes some of in the
in the world but it's really hard tennis like I
world but it's really hard tennis like I find unless I'm playing with someone
find unless I'm playing with someone who's much better than me I don't play
who's much better than me I don't play well yeah like I really I I need to be
well yeah like I really I I need to be chasing someone yeah paddle tennis is so
chasing someone yeah paddle tennis is so social it's it's easy to have great
social it's it's easy to have great rallies you still get the the uh the
rallies you still get the the uh the satisfaction of really smacking a ball
satisfaction of really smacking a ball cuz pickle is it's all about placement
cuz pickle is it's all about placement and and trying to kind of one up your
and and trying to kind of one up your opponent whereas playing at the kitchen
opponent whereas playing at the kitchen and just ex why is it called a kitchen I
and just ex why is it called a kitchen I have no idea and I that's so I play
have no idea and I that's so I play pickle like paddle right cuz I'm I'm
pickle like paddle right cuz I'm I'm like no I'm it's nonsense like why I do
like no I'm it's nonsense like why I do like cool um but paddle tennis padd's
like cool um but paddle tennis padd's amazing next time yeah yeah paddle
amazing next time yeah yeah paddle paddle one of my favorite favorite I was
paddle one of my favorite favorite I was in Dubai with a client for work for
in Dubai with a client for work for months a couple of years back I played
months a couple of years back I played it every day for three months great just
it every day for three months great just yeah it's the best workout the most fun
yeah it's the best workout the most fun like time just flew is amazing but I was
like time just flew is amazing but I was bringing it back to sports because I was
bringing it back to sports because I was saying I was saying you know you you
saying I was saying you know you you personally tried to recruit mbappe for
personally tried to recruit mbappe for Tottenham I did yeah and and I just
Tottenham I did yeah and and I just thought that was amazing because I was
thought that was amazing because I was like I've never seen this ever happen
like I've never seen this ever happen before where you know someone's using
before where you know someone's using their clout in the right way listen I
their clout in the right way listen I saw him I'm a mad Tottenham fan and I
saw him I'm a mad Tottenham fan and I just thought now's my chance and he said
just thought now's my chance and he said no the deal didn't go through no signing
no the deal didn't go through no signing bonus for myself that was a crazy trip
bonus for myself that was a crazy trip that going to the Balon door we were
that going to the Balon door we were there for Spider-Man Spider-Man was
there for Spider-Man Spider-Man was coming out I'm not really sure how that
coming out I'm not really sure how that was promo for Spider-Man but like it was
was promo for Spider-Man but like it was part of our trip for some reason but it
part of our trip for some reason but it was amazing meeting these players and
was amazing meeting these players and and I admire them so much it's
and I admire them so much it's incredible when you can notice other
incredible when you can notice other athletes and other greatness and I see
athletes and other greatness and I see that at the top we talk we've talked a
that at the top we talk we've talked a lot today about and and you're really
lot today about and and you're really good at this like you really I feel like
good at this like you really I feel like I feel like you're quite tuned into like
I feel like you're quite tuned into like admiring and observing greatness and
admiring and observing greatness and like the 1% and and trying to figure out
like the 1% and and trying to figure out what they're doing differently and I
what they're doing differently and I think that's one of the things I've
think that's one of the things I've definitely seen of the 1% is that
definitely seen of the 1% is that there's a humility in that they have the
there's a humility in that they have the ability to appreciate other people's
ability to appreciate other people's greatness and skills and values and
greatness and skills and values and purpose like they're not looking at it
purpose like they're not looking at it going I'm the best of all time sure
going I'm the best of all time sure there part of them they they may have to
there part of them they they may have to say that for the cameras or they may
say that for the cameras or they may have to say that before they go on the
have to say that before they go on the pitch but actually if you talk to them
pitch but actually if you talk to them and you ask them about someone else
and you ask them about someone else they'll be like yeah best best player
they'll be like yeah best best player I've ever seen like they're incredible
I've ever seen like they're incredible and so who did you admire growing up in
and so who did you admire growing up in acting who do you admire today like who
acting who do you admire today like who have been the people that and maybe on a
have been the people that and maybe on a mindset level or maybe on a or or a
mindset level or maybe on a or or a performance level as well there are
performance level as well there are definitely performances of people that I
definitely performances of people that I look up to there are there are the types
look up to there are there are the types of careers of certain actors that I
of careers of certain actors that I really admire there are also like the
really admire there are also like the the types of lives that certain people
the types of lives that certain people lead that I really admire and that I
lead that I really admire and that I really aspire to sort of be like um I
really aspire to sort of be like um I tend to let all of my admiration go
tend to let all of my admiration go towards athletes I'm just so blown away
towards athletes I'm just so blown away by what they can do Under the pressure
by what they can do Under the pressure that they're under me as an actor I
that they're under me as an actor I realize that my job is a high press job
realize that my job is a high press job because it reaches millions of people
because it reaches millions of people but that said there are so many people
but that said there are so many people that help me get to where I need to be
that help me get to where I need to be MH I get picked up someone makes me
MH I get picked up someone makes me breakfast someone writes the words that
breakfast someone writes the words that I'm supposed to say someone chooses my
I'm supposed to say someone chooses my costume someone does my hair and makeup
costume someone does my hair and makeup someone sets the camera up ultimately I
someone sets the camera up ultimately I walk onto set and I do my bit but I'm a
walk onto set and I do my bit but I'm a small part in a massive machine but when
small part in a massive machine but when you look at someone like jovic or federa
you look at someone like jovic or federa or you know this new
or you know this new alcaraz you or the golfers or or Lewis
alcaraz you or the golfers or or Lewis Lewis is slightly different because
Lewis is slightly different because Formula 1 is so much about the team and
Formula 1 is so much about the team and the car and all that sort of stuff they
the car and all that sort of stuff they have to do it themselves at a certain
have to do it themselves at a certain point there's only so much help they can
point there's only so much help they can get but then when they walk onto that
get but then when they walk onto that court for the first time when they walk
court for the first time when they walk into the ring or into the octagon it's
into the ring or into the octagon it's them by themselves they're under that
them by themselves they're under that amount of pressure it's up to them
amount of pressure it's up to them whether they deliver or not and I just
whether they deliver or not and I just have always been admiring of seeing some
have always been admiring of seeing some of the greats lose their win streak and
of the greats lose their win streak and come back even stronger I've always
come back even stronger I've always really been an admirer of people that
really been an admirer of people that are able to do that I think it's a Folly
are able to do that I think it's a Folly when you see these win streaks of 50
when you see these win streaks of 50 and0 and all that sort of stuff and
and0 and all that sort of stuff and you're like well that to me is isn't
you're like well that to me is isn't what a champion is a champion is someone
what a champion is a champion is someone who had it all lost it all and got it
who had it all lost it all and got it right back again Tyson Fury story is a
right back again Tyson Fury story is a crazy one I'd love to see AJ come back
crazy one I'd love to see AJ come back and be on top again because I'd love to
and be on top again because I'd love to be alive to witness that Legacy that he
be alive to witness that Legacy that he would leave behind you know I feel sorry
would leave behind you know I feel sorry for him what happened to him when he
for him what happened to him when he sort of seemed to really lose it a
sort of seemed to really lose it a little bit in the ring when he took the
little bit in the ring when he took the microphone and I'd love to see him back
microphone and I'd love to see him back on top and to to have some clarity and
on top and to to have some clarity and To Be A Champion again CU I admire him
To Be A Champion again CU I admire him as an athlete so I save most of my
as an athlete so I save most of my admiration for athletes and musicians I
admiration for athletes and musicians I love musicians I see someone like Ed
love musicians I see someone like Ed Sheeran 80,000 people in the palm of his
Sheeran 80,000 people in the palm of his hand I think comedians are equally as
hand I think comedians are equally as talented the ability that they can just
talented the ability that they can just go on stage and make people laugh that
go on stage and make people laugh that is
is terrifying actors for me because it's
terrifying actors for me because it's what I do it's
what I do it's like you know yeah yeah I get I get what
like you know yeah yeah I get I get what you're saying I get what you're saying
you're saying I get what you're saying and and at the end of the day it's just
and and at the end of the day it's just it's it's taking what you can from from
it's it's taking what you can from from what you Aspire for right like you you
what you Aspire for right like you you can take something from all these people
can take something from all these people and and what I love about it some of
and and what I love about it some of these people you know some of these
these people you know some of these people you don't but I always say to
people you don't but I always say to people who are listening and watching
people who are listening and watching that you can be mentored by people
that you can be mentored by people you've never met you're right totally
you've never met you're right totally and I think that's a really important
and I think that's a really important skill to gain because I think we live in
skill to gain because I think we live in a world right now where somewhat access
a world right now where somewhat access become easier and we always think we
become easier and we always think we need access to people directly in order
need access to people directly in order to learn from them but you don't know
to learn from them but you don't know everyone you've just mentioned even
everyone you've just mentioned even though you may know a couple of them
though you may know a couple of them closely and and same with me like I was
closely and and same with me like I was really fortunate you know growing up as
really fortunate you know growing up as a teenager I got into to like Martin
a teenager I got into to like Martin Luther King's work and Malcolm X's work
Luther King's work and Malcolm X's work and I was reading crazy stuff at that
and I was reading crazy stuff at that age but it had a massive impact on my
age but it had a massive impact on my mindset I never met all those people and
mindset I never met all those people and obviously would never have got the
obviously would never have got the opportunity to do that but I feel
opportunity to do that but I feel mentored by them without ever having sat
mentored by them without ever having sat in the same room as them because you
in the same room as them because you study like how they made decisions and
study like how they made decisions and you study what they said and what they
you study what they said and what they wrote what they stood for what they
wrote what they stood for what they stood for and how and and and the parts
stood for and how and and and the parts that you don't hear through history the
that you don't hear through history the parts that were actually more difficult
parts that were actually more difficult and the parts where they weren't the
and the parts where they weren't the perfect hero right and so all of that
perfect hero right and so all of that kind of stuff but Tom before we go to
kind of stuff but Tom before we go to the final five you've been so gracious
the final five you've been so gracious with your time today I have to ask you
with your time today I have to ask you if if you want to clarify the Harry Kane
if if you want to clarify the Harry Kane situation because I'll tell you what the
situation because I'll tell you what the reason why I say this is I had the dream
reason why I say this is I had the dream so I'm a Manchester United Support
so I'm a Manchester United Support everyone in my community knows that very
everyone in my community knows that very well right uh I have always had the
well right uh I have always had the dream that Harry Kane when Wayne Rooney
dream that Harry Kane when Wayne Rooney retired Harry Kane was going to come to
retired Harry Kane was going to come to Manchester United Okay and he was going
Manchester United Okay and he was going to follow in the footsteps of all the
to follow in the footsteps of all the great England forwards that have played
great England forwards that have played at Manchester
at Manchester that didn't happen I'm still holding on
that didn't happen I'm still holding on to that dream but you want him to go
to that dream but you want him to go somewhere else well listen listen let me
somewhere else well listen listen let me just clarify right I love Harry Kane I
just clarify right I love Harry Kane I love humon humon is my favorite football
love humon humon is my favorite football player he is a hero I love Tottenham I'm
player he is a hero I love Tottenham I'm a big Tottenham fan but I just I know
a big Tottenham fan but I just I know that those players could Thrive and have
that those players could Thrive and have the best careers everwhere else I just
the best careers everwhere else I just want to see I want to see Harry lifting
want to see I want to see Harry lifting a trophy and I want to see son there by
a trophy and I want to see son there by him and and and I just don't think
him and and and I just don't think you're rooting for the
you're rooting for the individual yeah yeah I'll always be a
individual yeah yeah I'll always be a Tottenham fan you know I love being a
Tottenham fan you know I love being a Spurs fan my brother Harry and I you
Spurs fan my brother Harry and I you know we've really pondered over it but I
know we've really pondered over it but I I just you know Harry Kane's one of the
I just you know Harry Kane's one of the best strikers in the world and um he
best strikers in the world and um he would fit into almost any team and I'd
would fit into almost any team and I'd love to see him on top yeah and I
love to see him on top yeah and I interesting question do you think he
interesting question do you think he would have had a similar season to
would have had a similar season to harand had he gone to see oo oh that's
harand had he gone to see oo oh that's uh I I personally think CU I think
uh I I personally think CU I think harland's amazing I I think Harland with
harland's amazing I I think Harland with his age his strength and his mentality
his age his strength and his mentality you know what's crazy about Harland is I
you know what's crazy about Harland is I saw this interview and you know
saw this interview and you know obviously it it hurts me to say it but
obviously it it hurts me to say it but City and all but when Harland did this
City and all but when Harland did this interview he just scored like I can't
interview he just scored like I can't remember which game it was he's
remember which game it was he's unbelievable SC he scored like five
unbelievable SC he scored like five goals that game and he was like I should
goals that game and he was like I should have had seven and and the interview was
have had seven and and the interview was like come on though take some credit
like come on though take some credit like you scored five goals and he was
like you scored five goals and he was like yeah I'm I'm happy with that but he
like yeah I'm I'm happy with that but he goes you know there a couple of assists
goes you know there a couple of assists that should have gone in and I thought
that should have gone in and I thought that mentality you know that's a
that mentality you know that's a Winner's mindset that's a Winner's
Winner's mindset that's a Winner's mindset I was like he was he knew
mindset I was like he was he knew exactly which opportunities he missed
exactly which opportunities he missed and I was like so I think it's an AE
and I was like so I think it's an AE thing I think it's a strength thing I
thing I think it's a strength thing I feel like harland's kind of like I've
feel like harland's kind of like I've always compared harand to like Ivan
always compared harand to like Ivan Drago like he was made in a lab right
Drago like he was made in a lab right right right he was made like he was
right right he was made like he was manufactured to be this incredible
manufactured to be this incredible talent and think City's good with like
talent and think City's good with like he he admit like he scores a lot of
he he admit like he scores a lot of tappins and I think that's his game yeah
tappins and I think that's his game yeah but there's no on a scorecard you know
but there's no on a scorecard you know in a good way I'm say I'm saying he's
in a good way I'm say I'm saying he's been built in that way and City play
been built in that way and City play that way I don't know if Kane's a
that way I don't know if Kane's a tapping guy like he his SC his goals
tapping guy like he his SC his goals have generally been a bit more diverse
have generally been a bit more diverse in that sense magic yeah magic is the
in that sense magic yeah magic is the way I describe Kane yeah no I I love him
way I describe Kane yeah no I I love him and obviously it's a typical thing of
and obviously it's a typical thing of like the Press are out saying oh Tom
like the Press are out saying oh Tom Holland's begging Kane to leave I'm not
Holland's begging Kane to leave I'm not begging him to leave I love that he's at
begging him to leave I love that he's at our club because I'd be terrified to see
our club because I'd be terrified to see where we'd be without him but I just
where we'd be without him but I just love to see him have the career I know
love to see him have the career I know he could have what do you think of Jude
he could have what do you think of Jude Bellingham to Madrid I think that's a
Bellingham to Madrid I think that's a great move I love that just want
great move I love that just want everyone to do love that and what's
everyone to do love that and what's what's interesting is that all of my
what's interesting is that all of my friends in Spain are from Barcelona I
friends in Spain are from Barcelona I have one friend from Madrid I've always
have one friend from Madrid I've always been a big barcel supporter because I
been a big barcel supporter because I used to go to Barcelona all the time as
used to go to Barcelona all the time as a kid I had a few weekends where I'd say
a kid I had a few weekends where I'd say to my mom and dad I'm going to my
to my mom and dad I'm going to my friend's house and I would go to
friend's house and I would go to Barcelona how did you pull that off man
Barcelona how did you pull that off man just sneaky bro if I told my Indian
just sneaky bro if I told my Indian parents that I was like they know the D
parents that I was like they know the D tone straight away I got caught my mom
tone straight away I got caught my mom called me up and was like where are you
called me up and was like where are you I was I was trying to say I was on my
I was I was trying to say I was on my friend's house she said no you're not
friend's house she said no you're not cuz I'm here and I was in Lam Blas in
cuz I'm here and I was in Lam Blas in Barcelona um but I just I just love
Barcelona um but I just I just love players I think Jude Bam's amazing and
players I think Jude Bam's amazing and you know I just love to see what he
you know I just love to see what he could do there I think it's the thing
could do there I think it's the thing for me is I love Legacy I love seeing
for me is I love Legacy I love seeing what players can do I'm less about the
what players can do I'm less about the teams it's what I love about tennis or
teams it's what I love about tennis or golf you know it's not about the team
golf you know it's not about the team it's about the player so I would just
it's about the player so I would just love to see what he could do there and
love to see what he could do there and you know I'm sure one day we'll see
you know I'm sure one day we'll see England raise a trophy and and we've got
England raise a trophy and and we've got such a great young team and and um I
such a great young team and and um I admire them all but yeah I think it's a
admire them all but yeah I think it's a great move for him he's only 19 or
great move for him he's only 19 or something like that it's insane yeah
something like that it's insane yeah he's 19 that's wild incredible he's a
he's 19 that's wild incredible he's a year older than my brother Paddy that's
year older than my brother Paddy that's mental mate you've been amazing today
mental mate you've been amazing today honestly this is yeah this has been some
honestly this is yeah this has been some of the most fun I've had in a long time
of the most fun I've had in a long time me too thank you I appreciate it I want
me too thank you I appreciate it I want to ask we ask everyone the final five
to ask we ask everyone the final five and so these are the fast five questions
and so these are the fast five questions which means answers have to be one word
which means answers have to be one word to one sentence maximum no more than
to one sentence maximum no more than that done okay uh and you don't have to
that done okay uh and you don't have to write or spell them out so so no no no
write or spell them out so so no no no problem be a long be a long none of that
problem be a long be a long none of that all right so Tom Holland these are your
all right so Tom Holland these are your final five uh question one what is the
final five uh question one what is the best advice you've ever received to turn
best advice you've ever received to turn your nerves into excitement I like that
your nerves into excitement I like that that we've never had that on the show I
that we've never had that on the show I love that all right second question what
love that all right second question what is the worst advice you've ever received
is the worst advice you've ever received move to LA get a marijuana license and
move to LA get a marijuana license and buy a hot tub who told you that Mark
buy a hot tub who told you that Mark wber that's brilliant no he told me that
wber that's brilliant no he told me that honor chat shows I don't know if that
honor chat shows I don't know if that was legit advice but I didn't take his
was legit advice but I didn't take his advice okay good well who would you have
advice okay good well who would you have been if you took that advice who knows
been if you took that advice who knows who knows know um all right question
who knows know um all right question number three what's the first thing you
number three what's the first thing you do every morning and the last thing you
do every morning and the last thing you do every night make my bed it's the
do every night make my bed it's the first thing I do and the last thing I do
first thing I do and the last thing I do before I go to bed admittedly is I check
before I go to bed admittedly is I check my emails which I shouldn't do but that
my emails which I shouldn't do but that is what I do yeah it's bad yeah we asked
is what I do yeah it's bad yeah we asked that just to make you aware of what you
that just to make you aware of what you need to change I do need to change that
need to change I do need to change that making my bed is a good start I used to
making my bed is a good start I used to never do that and now like my first
never do that and now like my first thing I do is I make my bed that's like
thing I do is I make my bed that's like my first challenge of the day it's a
my first challenge of the day it's a good it's an easy one to get done
good it's an easy one to get done question four what's something you're
question four what's something you're trying to learn at the moment I'm
trying to learn at the moment I'm currently taking golf
currently taking golf lessons and uh we see a trend here it's
lessons and uh we see a trend here it's not going very well where where are you
not going very well where where are you at at the moment thing is with golf is
at at the moment thing is with golf is that the golf swing is a very very
that the golf swing is a very very particular thing so in order to get
particular thing so in order to get better you do have to take quite a few
better you do have to take quite a few steps backwards I've taken maybe 25 sets
steps backwards I've taken maybe 25 sets backwards but I will I will benefit from
backwards but I will I will benefit from it eventually are you doing it every day
it eventually are you doing it every day every day not lessons every day but I
every day not lessons every day but I practice every day I've always said that
practice every day I've always said that to my wife I was like I want to go away
to my wife I was like I want to go away for a month and I want to get a Traer
for a month and I want to get a Traer I'm going to play golf every single day
I'm going to play golf every single day only way i' yeah that's the only way I
only way i' yeah that's the only way I had a really so one of my clients took
had a really so one of my clients took me to pxg in Arizona which is like this
me to pxg in Arizona which is like this beautiful place Bob Parson's place and I
beautiful place Bob Parson's place and I had a coach there for two days and I was
had a coach there for two days and I was like half decent after two days cuz the
like half decent after two days cuz the coach was so good yeah and when I got
coach was so good yeah and when I got back to LA I tried to get a coach and I
back to LA I tried to get a coach and I couldn't find a good one and then I had
couldn't find a good one and then I had a coach that literally he came highly
a coach that literally he came highly recommended but it didn't work out for
recommended but it didn't work out for me he he didn't let me take like 0.7 of
me he he didn't let me take like 0.7 of a swing before he gave me feedback and I
a swing before he gave me feedback and I was like I just need to hit a few like I
was like I just need to hit a few like I need to kind of just and it was like
need to kind of just and it was like every time I was about to hit the board
every time I was about to hit the board be like NOP sure sure sure I was like I
be like NOP sure sure sure I was like I just need to kind of like get a feel for
just need to kind of like get a feel for it and so the guy I go to is a guy
it and so the guy I go to is a guy called James Heath okay and he does most
called James Heath okay and he does most of his teachings off of feel so it's not
of his teachings off of feel so it's not about numbers it's not about results
about numbers it's not about results it's more about how do you feel he he
it's more about how do you feel he he calls it the feels so like I'm working
calls it the feels so like I'm working on twisting my hips more in my back
on twisting my hips more in my back swing and will say to me how does that
swing and will say to me how does that make you feel like physically where do
make you feel like physically where do you feel the stretch where do you feel
you feel the stretch where do you feel the pain where do you feel the pinch
the pain where do you feel the pinch that's what I need you to feel and I
that's what I need you to feel and I coming from a dancers background that's
coming from a dancers background that's a really great way for me to learn
a really great way for me to learn because everything in dancing is about
because everything in dancing is about feel yeah um so if you need a great
feel yeah um so if you need a great teacher in London James Heath is than
teacher in London James Heath is than you thank you shout out James Heath yeah
you thank you shout out James Heath yeah shout out James Heath Fifth and final
shout out James Heath Fifth and final question if you could create one law
question if you could create one law that everyone else in the world had to
that everyone else in the world had to follow what would it be um I don't know
follow what would it be um I don't know I don't know what one law would solve
I don't know what one law would solve the most amount of problems what would
the most amount of problems what would you say curious I'd probably go to
you say curious I'd probably go to something you said earlier if if I'm
something you said earlier if if I'm giving a genuine answer like a real
giving a genuine answer like a real answer is I really wish there was a Life
answer is I really wish there was a Life School oh man like I I that would be it
School oh man like I I that would be it because I'm not saying that would solve
because I'm not saying that would solve all the problems in the world but it
all the problems in the world but it would set people up and when I say life
would set people up and when I say life school I mean emotional Mastery I mean
school I mean emotional Mastery I mean 100% egoo master I mean the ability to
100% egoo master I mean the ability to be kind and empathetic and vulnerable
be kind and empathetic and vulnerable and compassionate and create spaces I
and compassionate and create spaces I think a life school that taught you how
think a life school that taught you how to be non-judgmental and non-critical of
to be non-judgmental and non-critical of others without understanding them I
others without understanding them I think that's what I mean by life school
think that's what I mean by life school so not just the like paying taxes and
so not just the like paying taxes and bills and stuff but but the Life School
bills and stuff but but the Life School of like well what if what if we didn't
of like well what if what if we didn't have to live in a world where we just
have to live in a world where we just said everything we wanted to and did
said everything we wanted to and did everything we wanted to and got away
everything we wanted to and got away with it and you know but I think life
with it and you know but I think life the life lesson for me should be basic
the life lesson for me should be basic health and CPR and basic first aid
health and CPR and basic first aid training it should be like you said
training it should be like you said creating an environment at school where
creating an environment at school where young people feel more comfortable
young people feel more comfortable talking about themselves what they're
talking about themselves what they're going through you know things that might
going through you know things that might be happening at home or things that are
be happening at home or things that are happening at school like I think that
happening at school like I think that that would be an amazing way for
that would be an amazing way for us to be more expressive and more
us to be more expressive and more comfortable expressing and again like I
comfortable expressing and again like I know I keep going back to it but it's
know I keep going back to it but it's about what my show is about which is you
about what my show is about which is you should feel empowered when asking for
should feel empowered when asking for help it should be something that you're
help it should be something that you're proud of like you're recognizing that
proud of like you're recognizing that you have an issue it might be an
you have an issue it might be an internal issue it might be an external
internal issue it might be an external issue but you are seeking help which I
issue but you are seeking help which I think is very admirable yeah absolutely
think is very admirable yeah absolutely yeah I do encourage and recommend
yeah I do encourage and recommend everyone go what's the crowded room I I
everyone go what's the crowded room I I personally loving it with my wife
personally loving it with my wife honestly like I I barely watch TV shows
honestly like I I barely watch TV shows if I'm completely honest and uh it's
if I'm completely honest and uh it's because I I like something that makes me
because I I like something that makes me think and reflect and you know and
think and reflect and you know and entertain me at the same time sure and
entertain me at the same time sure and and I think it does a brilliant job of
and I think it does a brilliant job of doing all three like it's gripping I'm
doing all three like it's gripping I'm like trying to figure out what's going
like trying to figure out what's going on next at the same time I'm like it's
on next at the same time I'm like it's it's amazing watching
it's amazing watching you being able to be this very different
you being able to be this very different character to what we know you as and
character to what we know you as and that's really impressive so even on like
that's really impressive so even on like even on a performance level I'm like I'm
even on a performance level I'm like I'm forgetting that you are Spider-Man nice
forgetting that you are Spider-Man nice right like and that's that's that's how
right like and that's that's that's how I watch movies where I'm like can I
I watch movies where I'm like can I forget who this person is and or are
forget who this person is and or are they playing a caricature of themselves
they playing a caricature of themselves obviously and with you I'm like I don't
obviously and with you I'm like I don't even think to think it's you right right
even think to think it's you right right right right now I'm talking to you and
right right now I'm talking to you and I've been watching the show I'm like oh
I've been watching the show I'm like oh it's not even the same person sure and
it's not even the same person sure and and that is really really impressive on
and that is really really impressive on a performance standpoint so well thank
a performance standpoint so well thank you so much appr on that yeah thank you
you so much appr on that yeah thank you m thank you if you love this episode
m thank you if you love this episode you'll love my interview with Kobe
you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and
Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose our
obsessive to find your purpose our children have become less imaginative
children have become less imaginative about how to problem solve and parents
about how to problem solve and parents and coaches have become more directive
and coaches have become more directive and trying to tell them how to behave
and trying to tell them how to behave versus teaching them how to behave
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