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nobody really talks about what's next

except dorium does a little bit now but

it's it's hard retiring from something

you're so active in and and you love so

much in something your my mind was into

the Olympia for ten years for ten years

even before that for I don't even talk

about the twenty five years before that

of getting ready to get to that point

where you have ten Olympians in your in

your view okay but when you retire it's

like what do I do now Who am I you know

we're talking about Joseph Wilcox he had

some issues retiring Dorie and had some

issues retiring Ronnie Coleman has some

issues retirement it's hard to retire

but you don't know what to do you know

what am I gonna do and am I gonna get a

job like a regular person I thought

about that fact they did I decided that

rather than going to Arnold and saying

look I need a job you know I wanted to

do it myself I wanted to know what it

was like to be the average working guy

okay so I went to a corporation put my

suit on and I said I'd like to get a job

in your corporation here what kind of

experience do you have nothing my

resumes my resumes that well he spoke to

presidents of different countries he was

doing a world-class competitor and

doesn't really matter what experience do

you have in the corporate world I said

very little and and I said but I'm

trainable should show me I can do this I

can do anything the same attitude I had

in the squat rack for all those years I

thought to myself if it worked in the

gym why won't it work in business or the

corporate life and I got to tell you it

did it worked really really well to

we're putting a suit on every day and

putting my tie on it was like my new gym

I was excited to get put five in the

morning and okay put my suspenders on

I'm gonna go to the gym I'm gonna go to

the gym I'm gonna go to the office and

I'm gonna be around all these young

people twenty and thirty year olds I'm

gonna kill him I'm gonna walk him

circles around okay and I did it was

like my new squat rack my desk my office

was like my home you know I got promoted

over the years okay but I enjoyed

working for Merchant Services I was a

corporate recruiter my job was to

identify talent

and give him a job but I had to

interview them introduce him to other

department heads and find a place for

them I wasn't a headhunter I was a

corporate recruiter for a very very

large company okay and I loved it to

death I really did the same energy that

I learned here in the gym here in the

squat rack I took to the corporate

workplace and it works it's no different

the only difference is in the corporate

workplace when you see red you can't

respond when you see red you gotta wait

too it goes to pink I sort of got in

trouble a few times when you know okay

you can't do that when you're you can do

it the gym I was paid a lot of money to

respond like a crazy guy in the gym and

I did real well but it didn't work in

corporate life so I had to learn how to

adjust that side of my personality but I

enjoyed it immensely so for about I

don't know many years for a good side of

a decade or more

I played the corporate person and I

thought that bodybuilding was my past it

was my past I was a young man back then

and I moved on in life and we start you

know assuming a different role

you know I am now in corporate world and

I talked to the CEO and they didn't know

my background they did learn my

background and they go we know who you

are what are you doing here you know and

I said I want to learn I want to learn

everything about this corporate world

show me you know and I love staying

doing overtime staying later I wanted to

learn the bosses this II would take me

at government pick you in my office so

I'm gonna show you how I talk to all

these come I wanted to learn about it I

wanted to learn like I was a student all

over again sometimes you're a teacher

and sometimes you're a student in life forever

forever

okay so I the same attitude I had when I

was a teenager and I hang out with

Arnold I went to the beach with Arnold

and and it was introduced to Frank Zane

and Robby Robinson and and all these

guys and Lou Ferrigno and I was a little

kid learning that took that same

attitude into the corporate world and it worked

worked

I wasn't talented I wasn't talented in

bodybuilding I didn't have any genetics

I didn't have any I wasn't talented in

business but the thing is I was telling

David about this earlier I had this

attitude that I can do it there's

nothing I can't do if I can

squat 400 535 or how many 23 whatever it

was I can do anything

I believed that and it worked because I

believed it so I never I'm telling you I

never had any talent for bodybuilding I

never held any talent for business I

wish I did and I emulated guys and watch

guys that were really sharp my CEO

taught me a lot but I had David and I am

Matthias who was here tonight he's

filming we did a video in LA for team

and ro went crazy viral which opened the

doors from my brand to work again and

pretty soon I'm getting offers to go and

teach all around the world and I'm

telling my boss but I gotta leave for a

month okay to go do some seminars like

what you can't who leaves for a month

their corporate position but it started

opening up to where I said I could go

back to bodybuilding as a teacher and do

seminars all over again and get involved

in other projects and really give back

to the sport

they've given me so much if body

wouldn't gave me a life I'd be some

homeless guy in Detroit if it wasn't for

bodybuilding it gave me a life so right

now it's not about the money I don't

care about the money it's not about

gaining position as a bodybuilding

player in the business it's about just

giving back to something that really

gave me a lot gave me a life and that's

the reason I'm here that's the reason

I've joined with Adam and as far as

working together and my goal our goal is

to go around the world one more time

before I actually settle down I'm 62

years old I'll be 63 soon by the time

I'm 70 I'm not gonna be doing this I

don't see myself traveling here you know

four different countries a week no but

we're doing it now and it's exciting

it's fun it's hard and but I like being

uncomfortable another thing that squat

rack told me is it taught me and when

you're uncomfortable is when you grow we

know that from the gym when you're

uncomfortable is when you grow so I like

being uncomfortable in life threw myself

into a corporate position to where I

didn't know anything I don't learn the

computer I learn how to type fast I

don't learn how to pro I'll do these

programs I had no training I'm like I'm

like a handicapped kid you know I'm an

old man but I learn

I learned that learning I got faster and

faster and faster to the point to where

I could live in a corporate world but I

decided to come back home my CEO told me

he said if you don't take advantage of

this opportunity go back to what you

know best I'm gonna fire you anyhow he

was joking but it's like being in the

mob once you get in the mob you can't

ever get out you know you're in it for life

life

and is that math alone if that makes

sense to the mob meaning the crime

syndicate meaning like The Sopranos

Oprah knows once you get into the

soprano family so to speak you can never

get out

and that's bodybuilding for me

bodybuilding has given me a lot

tremendous a life it's been good to me

financially mentally spiritually

physically I learned about life in the

gym everything I know about life I

learned to the squat rack I learned how

to fail in the gym I learned how to fail

and fall on my face many many times that

you never read about okay and I keep

getting up and the same attitude work in

the office I'd fare every day I mean I'm

like all these 20 year old kids around

me tighten on like my heart rates fast

I'm losing weight can't eat enough it's

like you know I'm getting in shape to

sit at my desk you know but I had to

learn it and I had to put myself in that

position and that's the reason I'm in

Europe ten months out of the year eleven

months out of the year now because it's

uncomfortable and that's when you grow

it's hard to learn a new language but I

want to do stuff that I've never done

before I want to feel so uncomfortable I

can't stand out but I want to be able to

manage it I don't wanna have a nervous

breakdown but that's why I have Adam

here Adam watches me and said okay

that's enough but you know I'm very

fortunate been very fortunate in life

and bodybuilding has been great to me

but what I'm here to tell you is that

life doesn't happen to you we all think

that life happens to me right life

happens for you it happens for you I

mean opportunities will come to you

every day it's either for you you can

remain scared of the opportunities or

you can embrace them and take them my

might what I finally realized that and I

want to share this with you

if you give up on your dreams if you

give up on your dreams what do you have

left nothing I can't live that way

I can't live that way I have to live on

the edge you know if it wasn't

bodybuilding I'd probably be a

motorcycle or cross-country jumping cars

or some I don't know something crazy but

that's why I'm in this business it's

never been about the money it's always

been about the love of the game and the

energy I gained from it and that's

really you know and when it's about the

money getting trouble money should be a

side effect of what you love to do and

that's what I bring to the gym every

single day and that's what I work when I

work with Sergio Oliva jr. and other

body but top guys and guys you don't

even know when David Hoffman that's what

I tried to bring to the table that

energy and that thirst of where it's not

just about I hope I do well it's like

you have to want success in the gym as

one as you as much as you want to

breathe okay as much if you're gonna if

you started suffocating in this room

you'd find every way to get out of here

you'll be knocking the doors down

yelling screaming breaking windows

whatever you got to do to live right

that's what I brought to the gym I don't

know why this happened to me it was a

gift I didn't have a choice in 1974 date

Meister 1977 we all I went to Gold's Gym

50 bucks in a plane ticket we all went

to Gold's Gym like anointed zombies

anointed zombies we didn't care about

the money all we wanted to do was train

together in the same gym the fitness

industry back in 1977 was 15 people ten

guys five girls that was the fitness

industry it was great the old Gold's Gym

was like oh my god the energy was so

thick he walk in the door and you just

you couldn't stand it you didn't even

need to eat it needed to sleep and the

best in the business were there either

I decided as a young man that I have to

go to California to be around the best

in the world I have to study with the

Masters I wanted to study with the best

in the world because I felt that if I

was around

Arnold them Zane and Robbie and Ferrigno

that the energy would rub off and it did

and it did okay and that's so again it's

not about the fact that you're not Talan

in fact forget about genetics to hell

with genetics really you know I always

tell people you know when I was a young

man I said it will not be a victim to my

genetics I will not be a victim to my

genetics I don't care I don't care

haven't I don't have a small waist hell

with it my genetics will be a victim to

me that was my plan and it was my my god

gave me this mentality I don't know why

gets me in trouble lots of times too

it does okay but God gave me the leg

thing I got to tell you most of those

squats I did I wasn't doing it it wasn't

me it was God finishing the last ten

reps okay because I don't know I was

done you know when I did when it feeble

and cologne when we did 23 with five

something I mean I was done at 10 and 15

I thought it was all over in the last

you know seven reps I don't know eight

reps I don't know where it came from

yeah something God was pulling up that

weight okay he was and the only thing I

can think of is that it's the

opportunity that I was given I mean I

didn't I didn't wait for it to come I

had to take action I had to do something

to get it and had to go after it and

embrace the heat so to speak that you

know there's been a lot of tough days

and where I questioned whether this is

what I should be doing for a living now

forty some years later and I've been

bodybuilding for 40 41 scene started

when I was nine so you know some 50 over

50 years you know but it's been

everything I wanted it to be I never got

the Sandow trophy

I wanted that Sandow trophy yes I had a

trophy cabinet made for the Sandow but I

would not train I would not trade what I

do have from the sport for the trophy

the trophy should give you what I have

what I have is the ability to still work

I'm still working in this business after

losing the 81 Olympia I didn't win I

failed at winning the Olympia I'll

repeat myself I failed at winning the 81

Olympia but I'm still working 35 years

later still doing seminars still doing

stuff in the industry so again I don't I

think it's really an attitude an

attitude and an energy that sort of I

figured out or God gave to me I don't

know we're both that it's allowed me to

live and prosper very very well okay and

it's not about the stuff I mean I

thought for that one time was about

Hoover had the most money and most stuff

and the BMW in the portion you know the

house on the East Coast in the house in

the West Coast I thought whoever had

that was the winner I gotta tell you

when I had the most stuff I was not the

most happiest as I am now okay in fact I

simplified my life we you know we moved

all of our belongings to Europe imagine

taking everything you own and having two

different houses and giving stuff away

selling stuff and still you have it I

chant these big containers all the

pictures and photographs and you know

it's a big process but sometimes when

you have too much you need you need to

do less you need to have less and by

having less stuff I find things are much

more clear for me now and that's why I'm

here and that's why I've been doing

seminars and getting involved in

bodybuilding so to speak as more of a

mentor figure so to speak I had Arnold I

had Draper I had I remember God I

remember when I first went to the 78 mr. universe

universe

Joel gold the owner of Gold's Gym said

you know you got to pay for a membership

pretty soon Tom I'm like Oh Joe look I

don't have any money and then I was a

broke body with her like most guys and

he goes after they mr. universe will

talk okay great

it's a few weeks to go I won the

universe and I came back after the

Acapulco mr. universe my commencer won

the heavyweight class I won the

middleweight class a guy named Carlos

Rodriguez won the lightweight class

they're both dead they both died which

is sad but true but Joe Gould said Tom

come here I'm like oh no he wants some

money when I go go am I gonna do okay

and he goes welcome to the club

he called Arnold up he called Frank Zane

he says

one of us he never pays for nothing ever

and I walk in that gym any kind of

clothes I wanted anything I wanted was

mine any friends I brought in they gave

him stuff and I'm like I was welcomed to

the family so to speak and I'll never

forget that Joe Gould really you know I

mean nobody does this solo he does

anything alone I had a lot of support

from ex-wife's and but Joe Gould was

expanding success helpful in my in my

life and really gave me an opportunity

as Joe Weider did and everybody okay you

know and we don't do anything alone

there's always a support group around

you but deaths what's brought me here

and in a roundabout way I wanted to

share some of my immediate feelings with

you to let you know where I was and why

I'm here and what I'm doing and I invite

you to really take me where you want to

take me I can talk for three hours I

have my own agenda and my own thing like

you know that okay that's Chris

Dickerson always said you have the gift

of gab I said thanks Chris I guess

that's a compliment I don't know I don't

know okay but I can talk which is I

think important in this business because

most guys walk around with food bags and

they don't talk and they stay home and

they eat six eight times a day and they

get another night and eat and nobody

talks anymore I'm like what's that about

in fact people live in their apartments

and they they don't know how to talk

anymore they but they're on Facebook a

little bit nor Instagram okay that's

that's social socialization today but in

my day when I was being tutored by

Arnold and Franklin and you know and

Dave Draper and rigna it was like body

but he here at all it wasn't about

deprivation and pain and punishment was

about abundance and prosperity

Arnold taught me hey this is America he

said to me this is America you can do

anything you want he said let me show

you so anything he did I did

he had a blonde girl when I had a blonde

girlfriend he drank coffee I drank

coffee life was big he's life is

supposed to be big and full that's what

he taught me coming from Austria keep

speaking German barely spoke speaking

England English and so I've adopted

those values but took a guy from Europe

to tell me that about America

I didn't know that I didn't understand

capitalism I thought okay fine I'll just

fit in somewhere and but being around

the influence of all those guys I

mentioned a lot of the women too I

learned a lot from a lot of the women

women taught me how to pose they really

did okay how - that wasn't a poser am I

gonna I'm not I'm the short stocky kid

but they taught me about the hair and

stuff like that and you know I never

knew what they were talking about but

they eventually showed me but I'm here

because a lot of support I'm here

because a lot of people helped me and

showed me the way and gave me the

opportunity and that was the unlikely

winner almost everybody is unlikely

winner not supposed to be the guy or the

girl you know everything I could have

looked at all the possible all the

negative situations in my life but you

know I wasn't the chosen one I wasn't

chosen to be this guy and to be in the

wieder camp or whatever but I wanted it

so bad in fact the only difference

between most of you and me the only

difference between me and you is I

wanted it more I wanted it more

that's the only reason I'm sitting here

third place - yeah third place 1981

Chris Dickerson was in second everybody

forgot about Chris yeah

people are still talking about this show

35 years ago people they want me to do

interviews on Facebook I'm like 35 years

ago was a show you still want me to do

an interview about this damn show okay I

will I will

was too good

it couldn't be placed hired and it

okay okay when I was interviewed

immediately after taking third place a

guy named Ricky Wayne he maybe remember

Ricky Wayne he he came up with a

microphone remember that name

Ricky Wayne he when he Caribbean he went

back to the Caribbean I don't know what

he running for office or president or

something I don't know but him and his

girlfriend Mae Malika Mae Mollica was a

really sharp Fitness girl back in 35

years ago okay no no I'm not livin no no

no many of you don't know what she is or

who he was but he put a microphone in my

face he said Tom what do you think about

the Olympia how do you think he should

have done you stirred what do you think

about placing solos third place I said

Oh first of all I think Frank Hill is a

great champion and Arnold a great

champion I think tonight I think that

tonight Frank will show place a little

lower and I should have place a little

higher but thank you very much I'm proud

and honored to be here people my god

he's a politician you know I didn't plan

on saying that I didn't have any pre I

just happened to react that way I

thought hey if I'm gonna stand on the

Olympia stage it's a matter of opinion

who once Franco and I argued about that

but it's a matter of opinion who once

who wins it could be political sure

politics earn everything we're talking

about this last night Kathy you know

politics is life there's politics in

everything okay you can make it you can

you you can use it to work for you words

gonna work against you done I mean you

can't be upset about it okay I lost the

Olympia but did I I mean I came in third

and people think I came in second all

the time they forgot about Dickerson but

it was really that losing that show was

the best thing that ever happened to me

losing the 81 Olympia was the best thing

that ever happened to my career you know

and I I didn't realize that until now 35

years later you know I mean what would I

have won the trophy the trophy would

have been in my storage container in

Hungary probably and I'll be like what

am I gonna do now you know I would

gladly trade the Sandow for a job like

I've had in the last 35 years

okay it's been a gift okay I mean God

gave me a gift as he gives us all gifts

and I think we're all good at something

we're all good at something really good

and I think if you're really still if

you make yourself really still and quiet

which is hard to do in this day of an

age of social media

okay Facebook and Instagram if you're

really still and quiet if you can be

quiet for a half hour without like

meditation you know you sort of the

answers will come you know what to do

you really know what to do as you do

with your gym even if you make the wrong

choice and do something that you think

you should do you get in this life will

spit you out and get another chance and

the big scheme of things if you make the

wrong choice big deal I wish I had one

more life and if I had one more life

maybe a pro golfer this time I have no

talent for golf but I know I could do it

if I believed as much as I do it about

body but now I could do it I'm one of

those kind of guys that believe I can do

anything okay and it gets me in trouble

but I I made a self promise to Mike when

I was a little kid I said I promised

myself that that I would never leave the

gym a loser I was playing football as a

teenager I never told anybody this but

this coach kicked me in the butt I mean

back in the 70s you could do this and he

didn't go to jail okay but the coach he

was playing football was a middle

linebacker he goes boom it was plaster

nothing you'll never be nothing I'm like

my whole world oh my god my coach told

me coach Smith told me I'll never be

nothing from that day forward I made a

promise that I will give it everything I got

got

I'm ready to die for what I had to have

to succeed I have to give it everything

I got

that way I'm a winner no matter what I

don't know why I said it to myself I

made that self promise years later 20-30

years later all of coach Smith's kids

you know they we emails just came out

the internet just opened up they said

are you the same Tom plants that coach

Smith talks about and I said yes I am

and tell him thank you very much for

everything he's ever done for me

okay so life offers you a lot of

opportunities even sometimes if it's

devastation and terrible oh my god

death and you lose your fiance or you

know you

divorces and went through all that stuff

okay those are the years I did best

an 81 my fiance got together with my I

didn't ever tell anybody this before

either but she got together with my

training partner and I came home from

the 80 Olympia and they're together I'm

like oh my god I was so hurt and so

baffled that this girl could do this to

me I decided to take all that energy and

put it into the gym and before the 81

Olympia I just opened the door to the

Gold's Gym that day that year and boom

everything would work it was a magical

year any exercise I did was Wow

mind-blowing every and I would train

like every day every day look better and

better I'm in the mirror I'm scared

myself in the mirror you know because I

was so focused on this was I had the

opportunity to be very selfish at that

time and you got to be selfish at times

and I didn't you know but the fact that

something really devastation devastating

happened in my life gave me the

opportunity def something great happened

and I think that's the way it works you

got to have good and bad in life there's

good and there's evil and there's good

and bad and a lot of times when evil

heavy evil and heavy terrible things

comes along your life it's really an

opportunity and everything I looked at

in my life it's been bad or like oh my

god what am I gonna do I think back now

it gave me an opportunity fraught

opportunity is disguised as problems

okay if you don't have problems you

don't have a life everybody has problems

in fact the more money you have the more

problems you have the more money the

more stuff I had the more the more

problems I have versus having no money

and no life you've pretty a lot of

problems to live on the beach you know a

lot of guys I know okay somewhere in the

middle seems to be the happiest for me I

have a problem in big finance big

business site in the gym we do things

because we can we add 20 kilos to each

side of the bar because we can sometimes

it gets us in trouble

adding too much weight too soon in

business big finance sometimes you do

things because you can not because it's

right I found this the same kind of

mentality but I'm here to tell you the

energy that worked in the gym did work

in the rest of my life too but I decided

to come back because this is my church

this is my home this is what's given me life

life

and you get to a point when you get

older you want to give back to something

that's given you so much that's where I

am thank you for your question hope I

not initially initially I did I mean I

responded I remember people criticizing

me at the old goals gym the first Gold's Gym

Gym

I was squatting for reps some pretty

good weight people say you shouldn't do

that you shouldn't squat like that it's

bad for you I'm like I know Thanks keeps

well kept squatting I didn't I didn't

want to listen I was like I have to do

this because nobody else did and I felt

so good I didn't like squatting that

much I didn't like squatting at all tell

you the truth it's scary your hands

sweating you get nervous and here you

get anxious but I love I'm addicted to

the feeling afterwards after a squat

workout doing 500 400 pounds 4 reps your

life passes in front of your eyes and

you succeed it's like life is great the

sky is blue the grass is green and life

is absolutely wonderful I'm in a great

mood for a week later I just I wish I

could squat more often but how it gets

me in a great mood and that's the reason

I squat the leg thing

I mean people used to store all the old

benches in the squat rack of the old

goals Arnold and corny at corny did that

squat thing for pumping iron but nobody

ever squatted really they would do 15

maybe reps or 10 reps of 315 maybe they

did it for the movie ok nobody ever

squatted really Draper is a Draper put

on 4 or 5 even Zane did 405 for 10 but

they never really squatted really okay

and so I stuck all the old benches where

they stored him in the squat rack and I

started using it on a regular basis and

I was ridiculed for it I was told it

wasn't right you shouldn't do that as

most people are when you do something

that's against the grain it's not

popular you're told you're doing it

wrong you shouldn't do that

it's just now people are saying your

training methodology was on point and

that you know it's just now 35 years

took two people to say hey he was

absolutely right about what he was doing

I don't care I didn't care about who

thought what I didn't care who thought

uneven why don't I want to please the

judges I didn't care about the judges in

the mr. Olympia contest all those years

those 10 years I just wanted to go to

the gym and express myself from within

as any artist does okay I wanted to go

on stage and humbly show everybody how

it goes according to me

I wasn't about there am I good enough am

I good enough hell with that

let me show you what I've done okay

that's what I tell actors when I coach

actors go to the audition just show them

how it goes according to you make a

decision and go with it a lot of times

the director will say I like the way you

did dad that's a good idea

can you do it my way once I like your

idea better you got to be creative from

that standpoint being creative is the

highest level of existence following the

rules and being a soldier of life is

boring I break the rules

I've always breaking the rules got me a

lot of trouble Arnold show me that that

him in trouble - okay but you got to

have that personality you got to have

that got a little bit crazy you got to

be a little bit you have an insane

switch I'm talking you know I'd go to

the gym insane click hi honey how are

you good to see you again you see that

you see that same train and everybody

that succeeds I have had the opportunity

to work with billionaires and being

around a billionaire I would worked with

Vince McMahon the owner of a WWE his

best friend was Trump before he was

president okay I got to be around that's

why I still wear my tie as long he

influenced me okay but being around

these guys I'm like well I'm like a

student I'm like I couldn't I couldn't

have a better education on how to live

life and they all were very grateful

Trump and McMahon and Arnold grateful to

what they have generous but they feel

like you know I would say that I would

ask Arnold how do you you're doing two

movies in the same day you work all

night long and all day don't you get

tired he would say no I'm doing

something that I've always dreamed of

doing people dream about doing what I'm

doing you know they're grateful and

that's what I saw in Trump and I think

Trump is ridiculed but he's put down

these brake along the calls but you know

I may be 35 years from now he'll be the

greatest president of all time in the US

I don't know I like his attitude though

because he's not he's not a follower he

doesn't care he says stupid stuff I know

that he's not politician he doesn't say

the way things should be said you know

and but you know having known him before

he was president I'm like granted he was

given a million dollars by his dad okay

that gave him a million bucks and say go

do something with your life he coulda

lost at all he coulda blew it like many

of us have okay but he made it grow

he made it grow again and again and

again he almost went bankrupt like

wieder did weed almost went bankrupt one

to one year Trump almost went banquet

most lost at all but they figured out a

way to keep it together and you know

that's the kind of people like to be

around I like to be around risk takers

there's a risk and there anything you do

any exercise it doesn't have a risk

isn't worth doing I'm not suggesting now

that you take commit suicide I would

never do an exercise that was outright

stupid dangerous I hear people that

squat that blow their intestines out

like what do you I mean how much weight

he was squatting way too soon too much

weight you know I don't ever want to

kill myself but there's a risk involved

in any success venture with the

expectation of success there's a success

in a risk the higher success go is the

risk follows if there's too much risk

not enough success I don't take it I

don't take that risk

okay but to answer your question did I

answer your question really I'm throwing

some other things too but I like when

you guys take me certain places I'll

give you more than you asked for because

I can't but it's been a fun fun life and

yes by the system and SWAT sniper as was

my command sir

yes so your question is about the ad

Olympia the 1980 Olympia in Sydney

yes

oh yeah well it was I was in the gym

everyday with Arnold prior to that ad

Olympia I knew something was up

he was looking too good he was looking

too good he was really looking Arnold's

in good shape

okay so I knew their son he's planning

on doing something and he's awful a good

shape for a movie he was doing Conan the Barbarian

there's always tension between Mike and

Arnold there was tension between those

two always this Mike would say you don't

need to train six days a week twice a

day like Arnold does you only need to

train two or three times a week so

Arnold Arnold's methodology was being

challenged in print in the magazines

Arnold didn't like that Arnold doesn't

like to lose

I know doesn't like being criticized

nobody does

okay but I remember that comment I meant

was my second Olympia and I'm backstage

and I'm like my second Olympia at least

two guys were in a fight eat oh my god

my god I can't handle this I'm like get

away from me and I was like this missing

I'm like I'm gonna go over here and warm

up okay

because these two two of the greatest

bodybuilders of all time we're getting

ready to fight each other and people

were holding them back you know my god

this is too much for me but I remember

Arnold said something about Mike stomach

Arnold said hey you have fat stomach

anyhow he liked it Mike's like like then

I'm like oh my god and I don't know how

it came down but Mike Mike may have

provocated that it's been 35 years I

forget exactly okay but you know in

years later they made up they did make

up okay but Mike was the next mr.

Olympia Mike was the golden child

Mike was senior editor and fitness of

muscle Matt Muscle & Fitness Magazine he

was an intellectual guy the intellectual

bodybuilder the very smart body but I'm

like wow how great is this if Mike would

have just said Arnold congratulations

good job next year would have been his

or the next year would have been his in

other words he got upset and carried

this bitterness and carry this anger

with him everywhere he went

so Mike as good as he is and as generous

as he was to me and helpful as a friend

he wants to meet carried the hatred of

losing the 81 mr. Olympia lady mr.

Olympia on his back and I think that's

one of the reasons it caused him to die

when you carry bitterness it's bad it's

like cancer you know probably causes

cancer your attitude your negative

energy probably

your whole body do weird stuff you know

because if you if you think bad and

expect bad and feel bad you die and your

body is like poison inside at least your

mind is and if your minds poison your

body's got to be this follow so I think

that's what killed Mike if I may say so

Mike carried that bitterness with him okay

okay

Michael is a great body builder so is

Arnold I got to tell you that I don't

you know I it's hard for Arnold to lose

that year there's one of the greatest

bodybuilders of all time entering

Olympia a five year layoff it's hard for

him not to win granted all of the judges

were his buddies his friends hey buddies

Arnold he's gonna have my 10th Olympia I

had all the friends I knew all the guys

on the Olympia panel you know they made

the wrong choice but what the hell can i

you know I died sometimes I told my gay

every I probably guess pose for every

judge 10 times in those countries okay

every judge is my friend I didn't have

the small ways to this narrow shoulders

but damn I'm gonna go onstage and show

them how it goes and nobody talks about

presentation nonverbal communication

nowadays it's all about the physicality

everybody walks on stage 300 pounds of

body weight that's all about the

physical I think we forgot about body

builders today forgot about nonverbal

communication going onstage and

projecting energy of the audience I

never believed that you know I don't

like to see body builders asked for

applause how embarrassing like that's

like the waiter or the waitress asking

for a tip you know they give it you give

the waiter a tip because he's a great

waiter Wow

good job thanks for taking care of us

right when Arnold taught me when you

walk on stage just stand there he always

say just stand there

look at the audience and command the

applause don't ask for it don't beg for

it but when they see you smiling without

even posing people are gonna start there

already they don't want to go for the

ride okay

that's what Arnold taught me I've seen

Arnold pose in great shape

back in the 70s I've seen pose when he's

fat the audience still responded like he

was in great shape when he wasn't in

great shape and that's what I learned

you got to go on stage you can have the

most muscle in the world if you can't

sell it nobody's gonna buy it

so when modern day body bruise don't

anymore there's no the human spirit is

gone it's the physical 300 pounds

bodyweight okay let's go to dinner now

let's go okay it's back in my day when

when Arnold was on the stage and on

Draper and all these guys and reg Park

and Robbie and Zane you know it was like

we felt like rock stars we thought Lady

gaga like Michael Jackson like a you

know Frank Sinatra's like wow the fans

were crazy in New York and the fans are

rolling down the aisles they're climbing

on the stage it was like we to be rushed

out of there with security guards we'll

get you back in the hotel don't worry

you know now it's like okay I'm Phil

Heath made for half a million dollars

you know I'm like I love Phil it was a

good friend of mine I knew he was gonna

win seven years ago eight years ago I

knew he's gonna win okay I told him that

my wife and I told him that but I think

he he did what Dorian did everybody

copied Dorian since Dorian walked on

stage did nothing did something we never

did before

Dorian opened the door off door up for

big beyond belief

Dorian did something different but

everybody's copied him since I'm waiting

for the next mr. Olympia not to copy

Dorian to do something unique and

different to where you god I never

thought of that

wow that's mr. Olympia and that's what I

hope to see before we die or I die but I

think it has to involve not just the

physicality not being 300 pounds on

stage the quality that it has to involve

the human spirit you have to get that

actor to being successful bodybuilder

you've got to be the athlete the actor

the diplomat and the businessman four

things bodybuilders forgot about this

you got to you gonna be an actor on the

stage you got to sell the muscle you

have you gotta give it to the audience

where the audience wants to stand on the

receipts and scream and yeah one go

crazy you got to tell them it's okay to

go for the ride when you watch a movie

when you watch a great Hollywood movie

you become the actor or the actress

you're living their life you relating to

them none of the body would just give

this to the audience anymore

that's my criticism if I may if I hum if

I respectfully may do that but the actor

on the stage the

the athlete of course the the diplomat

driving from country to country talking

about what we loved them being there or

tours being good spokesman and

representing the sport very well body

boarders don't talk anymore they don't

know how to talk in the National

Football League the NFL and the in the

the NBA the basketball league they teach

young guys how to talk how to interview

they teach them how to dress how to be

professional you know bodybuilders it's

becoming more and more and more of a

working-class sport subculture and I

love body woody don't get me wrong

bodybuilding is my life it's always been

my life it's where I come from and I

have the greatest respect for the sport

it's given me a life a great life and it

can be more it should be more you hope

when you get to be my age you can dent

the sport in some way and effective

positively because it's given so much to

me too many of us and everything comes

back everything comes back and I think

that the human spirit will come back on

stage I think it will it's gonna take

some of the guys like you David to bring

it back okay but that's what I see

missing I think we need less science we

have a bunch of science experiments on

stage everybody is over 300 pounds of

three percent three percent body fat

I think we need less science and more

art on stage art being the human spirit

that we miss you know you used we used

to see on stage which physique is come

bringing back to bodybuilding the human

spirit if you will I think more art less

science would be a step in the right

direction and I certainly mean no

disrespect to the modern-day

bodybuilders I mean there's some

unbelievable talent and dedication and

focus these guys put into it and the

girls put into it unfortunately they

cancelled in the midst of Olympia which

is that's not that's another discussion

for sure but I think we can do better

bodybuilding can do better I mean the

the worst golfer the worst golfer on the

Pro Tour makes about a half a million

dollars a year the lousy Assael yirat

golf makes it half million dollars a

year okay now it's not about the money

no I and I said that before but

bodybuilding you know it's better Phil

Heath is more rewarded than anybody in

history okay we can do better we can do

better okay

and I think that we need to train our

young men and women on how to be how to

represent when I was working with Sergio

Oliva jr. I said go and represent put

the suit on put the tile and represent

your dad but God's sakes your dad was

the myth Sergio Oliva go represent who I

competed with on a 84 and 85 go

represent your dad and the royalty of

our sport Sergio Oliva jr. is the

royalty of our sport he's gonna win

almost always even if he's not in great

shape he's gonna win does he sir Julie

Wood jr. Sergio Lee was kid child son

the only guy who would upstage Sergio

Oliva jr. would be if Arnold's son

competed which is not gonna happen okay

as far as I know so Sergio Oliva jr. has

lineage he has royalty in his blood and

my job is a training him as to pound

this mentality into his brain okay and

that's that's what I'm trying to do

that's what I do

and that's what gives me life it gives

me life to revisit and remember those

old days and I don't want to live in the

old days I'm gonna live in the new days

the new days are great okay but I have

to go back a little bit because they

at first when I was a young boy when I

was nine years old and I was in the

basement working out reading the wieder

book my dad would take me downstairs in

the evening after dinner we read the

reader training manual he would say okay

bench press he put the bar in your hands

and I I couldn't figure out why my

elbows were hitting the floor

I didn't understand it was a bench press

and so we look my dad taught me how to

lift weights when I was a little boy I

was fascinated by it that when I was in

the store I was in a bookstore a

drugstore would he call him a apotheke

DM I was in the store they had magazine

rack okay I'm a nine-year-old kid from

Pittsburgh Pennsylvania I'm reading this

muscle magazine I'm like wow look at

these guys Dave draped with a long

blonde hair and the girl on each arm a

girl on each leg and he had this wieder

crusher and his in his chest and like

and then Arnold's drinking protein out

of their blender and the next page I'm

like what a great job you know I want

that job I show my dad when I grow up

that's what I wanted to do he's like

give me the magazine put her with come

on kid come on son you know and I'm like

I went home but I thought about it and

thought about it and I thought about it

I'm like I can't believe that people do

that for a living people lift weights

for a living how cool was that you know

Kathy let's this is even your life for

the 35 years I've been going you a

little teenager you know when you owned

your first gym here you know this gym

okay now there's you have three or four

gyms right I know but that's how I

started okay and my parents were at

first sort of like what is it now

because I was into building big cars in

my garage I wanted to have the strongest

street car you know 427 Hemi you know

and that was into music playing guitar I

would go to the dances and play lead

guitar in a band I you know I was I was

into that The Beatles and all that stuff

but I was never Eric Clapton I can ever

play that good cars were so expensive

the cheapest thing to do was body

building back then there was no sports

nutrition it was cheap you know and I

could get into the gym I could sneak

into the gym and train and the lifter

was like my attitude and they taught me

how to squat so when I really when I started

started

eating a little bit here and there some

small powder thing contest my parents

went to the contest and supported me

when I went to the teenage mr. America

I'm like wow the teenage mr. America I

want to go my dad said okay I'll take

you I'm gonna I'll go fly with you I'm a

teenager a young kid living at home to

tell your training partner the gym will

go I'll take you to the to the teenage

mr. America

I'm like wow how cool is this my parents

are finally getting on board you know

and I think my dad started realizing

that when I started asking for

investment advice

he's a finance guy he was a coach you

know one of those guys he realized that

God he's doing he's serious about this

this is his life and he I think they

realized my dedication when they

realized it was up that I could make

money at this and get financially secure

with it they sort of enjoyed it even

more and I think they like the

popularity of it they like going to the

show with the Olympia they like the

fanfare and the but it wasn't about

being popular it was about being

everybody in the audience is my friends

you know these are the guys the

working-class guys from back home the

guys in the gym that they believed they

were with me and on they were back then

I remember like anybody didn't believe

they weren't part of my friends people

that gave me the great energy that's my

friends you'd be careful

you surround yourself with people that

are negative you become negative if your

people if you're on people their life is

bad life is terrible you become that so

I decided to surround myself with the

people that were always energetic that's

why I went to the west coast

being around Arnold oh my god every day

was let's go okay let's go it is America

learn how to speak English or know okay

I did I did let's go that's going to be

governor no way he's governor I want to

be an actor no way 26 million dollars a

year oh my god

26 million per film okay nothing you

can't do nothing you can't do in this

gym if you really want to nothing you

can't do in this gym if you really want

to nothing you can't do out there if you

really want to if you really want to if

it's like breathing to you you'll find a

way to get it done so my parents realize

that that was my intrinsic innate

attitude I didn't speak like this as a

child though okay they got on board and

I'll they love to

or the shows my dad I think was just

going because my mom liked it but my

mother loved going to Olympia's but the

audiences were never fans the people

they were there were my friends and I

grew up in a very rural working-class

neighborhood and destroy in Pittsburgh

and Detroit and all the guys from the

gyms they were they were my you know

that's it wasn't about the money it

wasn't about becoming famous it was just

about doing something we believed in and

for some reason I had this belief system

that had I had to take that risk and go

out and I I thought I could do it I

remember being nine years old looking in

the mirror going mom I look like this

don't I in the Mack muscle magazines

yeah honey you do you do you know but I

I believe and it's hard for a 20 year

old hard for a nine-year-old kid to look

at fillies and go mom no way no way 300

pounds like that had it let's do

something else

that's the pling they can look at

physique guys and go or bikini girls no

yeah I could do that bikini girls oh my

god Hungary is unbelievable there's

hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of

gorgeous beautiful bikini girls

everywhere it's like the new Beach

reminds me of its I think it's better I

think Lake Balaton is better than Venice

Beach I do okay that's why I'm there

but that's my parents to answer your

question my parents got on board and

they saw what it meant to me but it

wasn't just a decision I made as a child

he's either be a priest be a Catholic

priest or be a bodybuilder it was what I

was thinking about as a nine year old as

I thought I should really devote myself

to something so the mentality I had

going into bodybuilding was this is a

life this is a career it's not I'm gonna

get in shape for Facebook I'm gonna get

in shape for Instagram post I was

willing to put the time in and spend 30

40 50 years in the business that's what

I wanted it to being into what he became

what I wanted it to be it became what I

expected to have happen when you believe

something and you put the energy out to

the world to the universe you get it

back I really believe this I don't know

I I can't you know I I'm nobody special

I'm not I'm not somebody that's you know

anybody any different most of you have

more time

than I do okay I'm not any special

person but I believe that if you gave

this energy to the universe it would

come back to you and I didn't have a

plan B I said I sorta did my dad made me

get my you know my degrees and college I

was a teacher I could have went back and

taught school I was considering going

and getting a job teaching after the Mr

Universe contest in 1978 I was at work I

was broke I was handing out beach towels

on the beach and Zane took me aside

Zane said Tom wait I'm teaching right

now at Santa Monica High School on the

site teach science and mathematics Zane

taught science and mathematics at Santa

Monica High School he goes the

opportunities that come to you it's

gonna come wait two months before the

magazine comes out the phone's gonna

start ringing promoters around the

country are gonna start calling you

I guarantee it you have the leg thing

going on that's that's the thing that

you should market your legs I'm like

Frank you think so I didn't know yeah

you have something we never we don't all

have okay he said to me here's what you

do here's how much you should charge for

the seminar and the exhibition here's

what you should tell them as far as

getting half in advance you taught me

how to book my own shows so sure enough

I was starving ready to I'm like

figuring out how to eat tuna for the for

the next two months you know finding

tuna friends will give me some food you

know eight whatever I could do to live

in California and all the sudden the

phone started ringing promoters around

the country started calling me and I'm

like wow and then of course I sent out

flyers with my picture on we had no

Facebook a tom platt it's available for

exhibitions and I did exactly what Zane

and Arnold taught me to do and aren't

frank said to me he owes now that you're

mr. universe you should charge no less

than $3,000 to go somewhere so really is

yes don't compromise that you're worth

that so I'm first time the phone rang hi

John how you doing I'm a big fan all the

bodybuilding promoters were fans back

then right what we'd love to have you

come to the mr. Michigan contest and we

want you to guess pose for us and and do

a seminar

what's your feet three thousand dollars

plus expenses great fantastic all I need

is I just need half down to reserve the

date on my calendar great we'll send it

right to you I'm like I made $3,000

one for

my god this is great Frank I called

Frank zinzin you won't believe what

happened he was you I told you I told

you you know now I was doing that fifty

hundred times a year okay for 25 30

years and then other opportunities

opened up endorsements and owning

companies and I lost a lot of money and

made a lot of money and Here I am okay

I'm still alive I almost died in the

process a few times another story but it

all worked out because of the blue my

belief system and I believe you have to

believe you have to believe you can you

can't in fact in fact find your

impossible what is it you think it's

impossible you could never quite grasp

that's what you can that's what you have

to go after you don't have a dream man

you're dead okay it could be a dream of

having a family and having a nice tight

family and my grandfather made $3,000 a

year he didn't want a big glamorous life

he came on the he went on the bathroom

the his porch and sat in front of his

house every day after work worked in a

steel mill in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania

and smoked his cigar every evening life

was great

made three thousand dollars a year I had

some beef for dinner he came to my

grandmother came from Austria okay they

came from Austria and life was good here

in the US but I wanted my dad wanted

something different and I wanted

something different and I knew it wasn't

gonna be about following the rules and

doing homes weren't supposed to do it's

about doing something different and

bodybuilding offered me that opportunity

and allowed me to utilize my belief

system that my parents did instill in me

there Arnold instilled in me and for

some how God gave me that belief system

but the belief system you have to have

do you expect to lose you will and a lot

a lot of guys are very talented a lot of

women are very talented but they don't

think they can do it and they don't very

rarely does a great Janek talent gifted

guy or girl

very rarely do do they succeed on talent

alone you mixing attitude with talent oh

my god that's a superstar that's Michael

Jordan Magic Johnson that's you know

Whitney Houston even though she had some

problems you ever see yeah this is right

another thing I'd

all the arts into real app bodybuilding

music sculptor art paintings they all

interrelate okay when I watch famous or

even not a famous singer belt out a song

from the tip of their toes to the top of

their lungs and they they believe in the

song they're yelling or singing on I

don't know Britain's Got Talent or

something like that wow I'm sorry that's

what bodybuilding is to me that's

exactly what bodybuilding is to me okay

and that's where I come from and that's

my story and I'm sticking to it

okay hopefully I was able to give you an

insight into the mentality it's a

mentality it's a choice every morning

when I wake up every morning when you

all make up you have a choice sometimes

make the wrong choice sometimes I do you

want to be negative you want to

depressed or upset about something or do

you want to be in a good mood and really

going after what you want Adam called me

one day early in the morning I'm like I

was in a bad mood and I go oh I made the

wrong choice no okay let's regroup let's

just start over he got out of bed again

and what's the first thing I can do and

I saw this on Facebook and this I think

it was a the Navy you know what they

call the Navy Commander what'swhat's the

relay or I don't know a very well

meddled guy in the Navy he talked about

motivation he said the first thing you

should do every day something positive

make your bed

make a perfect bed you know he was right

this is this is the good thing about

social media and I make my bed Adam

called me and made my bed perfect okay

all right let's let's do this again and

Adam had him said to me you know what

you always say to me he goes gusted

what's that he always said life happens

not to you but for you he repeated it

back to me I'm like he's right he's

right sometimes a student becomes the

teacher okay that's the best-case

scenario a lot of you are in the gyms

training people the best situation in

life is when you train somebody that

comes better than you that's what you

want you want the person you train to

become better than you ever were okay

but that's been my life and hopefully

I'm a directing though I'm opening it up

to your answers and giving a little bit

more in a good way after every Olympia I

said to my wife let's have kids after

the Olympia let's let's plan on having

getting pregnant after the Olympia let's

print I'm feeling pretty hat that was 10

years passed by and it was - wife's okay

so part of the sacrifice are part of my

mentality and I have to take

responsibility for this we're all

causative to our own situation of life

okay as much as I wanted to say oh I it

was them it was me - okay I'm glad I

didn't marry the blonde beach bunny okay

I didn't marry her though I did marry

her and I'm glad I didn't have kids with

her because you know she had the

drug-related cocaine issues the whole

social problem I put her in detox okay

I'm glad it just didn't work out after

four years that was the early 80s the

next seven years the Italian girl from

back east who I turned into a Beverly

Hills monster okay her her best friends

were making you know $40,000 a month

from alimony because they were married

to movie executives and they get

divorced and I was living I turned her

into the Beverly Hills person

Santa Monica now is Beverly Hills by the

beach I was into the stuff you know what

Canyon stuff is what the answer is and I

believe that at that time so my third

wife who I'm still married to cha David

knows her she's the best thing that ever

happened to me I'm much better with her

than without her I got to tell you she's

everything I'm not everything I would

dream about as far as being a person in

a spiritual individual you know just a

genuine person she is

I'm very gifted in that sense she's very

intelligent very cerebral she's retired

doctor she's ran companies exactly

probably what I needed in my life in 2000 we were married in 2000 September

2000 we were married in 2000 September 11th mm so it's been 18 years

11th mm so it's been 18 years and I'm done getting married okay that's

and I'm done getting married okay that's enough of that

enough of that but that's sort of what happened in my

but that's sort of what happened in my personal life at that time so I never

personal life at that time so I never had kids I think about it from time to

had kids I think about it from time to time now I do I go gotta be nice to have

time now I do I go gotta be nice to have kids

kids imbecilic what photo I'm doing now is

imbecilic what photo I'm doing now is mentoring young men and women and in

mentoring young men and women and in business and it meant in being a

business and it meant in being a corporate recruiter and helping people

corporate recruiter and helping people succeed in bodybuilding in the sport I

succeed in bodybuilding in the sport I would like to have a child if my son or

would like to have a child if my son or daughter wanted to go into bodybuilding

daughter wanted to go into bodybuilding I would probably not be for it I'd be

I would probably not be for it I'd be like oh my god just do something else

like oh my god just do something else okay

okay if they really wanted to do it I'd

if they really wanted to do it I'd support them I would okay most actors

support them I would okay most actors say that yeah you talk to a famous actor

say that yeah you talk to a famous actor no I don't my kids going to the business

no I don't my kids going to the business but he'd do any help because it's the

but he'd do any help because it's the family business so but I do have kids in

family business so but I do have kids in a way because my gosh

a way because my gosh Chah does have a child from a previous

Chah does have a child from a previous marriage

marriage she's 52 years old so you know it's not

she's 52 years old so you know it's not like I have a little baby but I have

like I have a little baby but I have grandchildren from from them and so on

grandchildren from from them and so on and so on

and so on so we do have sort of a family in that

so we do have sort of a family in that sense well the one thing I look back and

sense well the one thing I look back and hindsight's always 20/20 you can look

hindsight's always 20/20 you can look back you I could have should have I

back you I could have should have I wasn't ready for that time I wasn't

wasn't ready for that time I wasn't ready to have kids and we didn't maybe

ready to have kids and we didn't maybe it's good we didn't but it's never the

it's good we didn't but it's never the right time I finally realized it's never

right time I finally realized it's never the right time you can't plan that you

the right time you can't plan that you just it's got to happen sort of

just it's got to happen sort of naturally but you have kids to yourself

naturally but you have kids to yourself no okay but those are some of the

no okay but those are some of the thoughts I have now I was traveling

thoughts I have now I was traveling around the world I was going to four

around the world I was going to four countries a year back then in the 80s

countries a year back then in the 80s with my first and second wife I was

with my first and second wife I was doing what I'm doing now it's hard on a

doing what I'm doing now it's hard on a heart on a marriage sometimes would come

heart on a marriage sometimes would come with me my first wife I proposed to in

with me my first wife I proposed to in Germany we're in by the river

no somewhere else I forget I forget I feel like OJ Simpson I have no

feel like OJ Simpson I have no recollection yeah really I can't

recollection yeah really I can't remember spending the first I can't

remember spending the first I can't remember spending one day with my first

remember spending one day with my first wife and I was married for four years I

wife and I was married for four years I have no recollection of ever living with

have no recollection of ever living with her ever being married to her Wow

her ever being married to her Wow and I just amazing how you can block

and I just amazing how you can block stuff out okay so I understand Oh Jay

stuff out okay so I understand Oh Jay men if my wife was driving my Ferrari

men if my wife was driving my Ferrari with some guy I'd be there ready to kill

with some guy I'd be there ready to kill him too you know okay anyhow I shouldn't

him too you know okay anyhow I shouldn't say that and but I can't relate to him

say that and but I can't relate to him and he was the he was the Arnold oh dear

and he was the he was the Arnold oh dear Simpson was in my neighborhood walking

Simpson was in my neighborhood walking around hey hey old Jay are you doing

around hey hey old Jay are you doing he was the you know the the black guy

he was the you know the the black guy who was living a rich white man's life

who was living a rich white man's life if I can use that I dare use that

if I can use that I dare use that cultural relation that that racism type

cultural relation that that racism type tone and it's not racism it just I never

tone and it's not racism it just I never even knew he was black until I thought

even knew he was black until I thought about it oh yeah I guess he is black he

about it oh yeah I guess he is black he was a guy from down the street lived in

was a guy from down the street lived in a nice house okay close to Arnold that's

a nice house okay close to Arnold that's where I wanted to live of course you

where I wanted to live of course you know I made millions of dollars and I

know I made millions of dollars and I blew millions of dollars to I did I got

blew millions of dollars to I did I got to tell you that if I had to do it over

to tell you that if I had to do it over again I probably would have saved more

again I probably would have saved more money but I blew a lot of money you know

money but I blew a lot of money you know big car is the big houses and stuff it's

big car is the big houses and stuff it's meaningless to me now I already care

meaningless to me now I already care about it i'm i used to love i wanted to

about it i'm i used to love i wanted to have stuff i like nice clothes and stuff

have stuff i like nice clothes and stuff it's not about the stuff stuff comes and

it's not about the stuff stuff comes and goes money comes and goes the way you

goes money comes and goes the way you affect other people the way you affect

affect other people the way you affect other people like kids or people last

other people like kids or people last forever if i say one thing today it

forever if i say one thing today it affects you it affects your kids it

affects you it affects your kids it affects somebody else your friends and

affects somebody else your friends and that can change life's I mean Ben wieder

that can change life's I mean Ben wieder was right Ben wheeler said if we can its

was right Ben wheeler said if we can its nation body burning his nation building

nation body burning his nation building I'm like back in the eighties I'm like

I'm like back in the eighties I'm like what does he mean what is it what does

what does he mean what is it what does that mean but really if a bodybuilder

that mean but really if a bodybuilder with the ability to speak can affect

with the ability to speak can affect people in the gym we can affect other

people in the gym we can affect other gyms and other Fitness people it can

gyms and other Fitness people it can affect neighborhoods you can affect

affect neighborhoods you can affect cities you can affect countries we can

cities you can affect countries we can really change the way the world thinks

really change the way the world thinks through our sport through bodybuilding

through our sport through bodybuilding through being able to speak and that to

through being able to speak and that to me is Wow

me is Wow we thought I just had his in 1975

we thought I just had his in 1975 Chevrolet endorsed the mr. Olympia

Chevrolet endorsed the mr. Olympia Chevrolet the car company endorsed a mr.

Chevrolet the car company endorsed a mr. Olympia I want to go back to that I want

Olympia I want to go back to that I want to see Mercedes Benz sponsoring the mr.

to see Mercedes Benz sponsoring the mr. Olympia you know Wow like they do golf I

Olympia you know Wow like they do golf I want to see the way golf were here I was

want to see the way golf were here I was around I worked with golfers I sort of

around I worked with golfers I sort of helped golfers with the mentality and

helped golfers with the mentality and training and all that stuff it's

training and all that stuff it's wonderful sport it's I want body but

wonderful sport it's I want body but need to be like the PGA to where Gulf

need to be like the PGA to where Gulf were tribal first class or coach or

were tribal first class or coach or whatever but it's so professional so

whatever but it's so professional so poised to go in the locker room of a

poised to go in the locker room of a country club is like wow life is good

country club is like wow life is good life is full life is rich you know

life is full life is rich you know that's what bodybuilding should be okay

that's what bodybuilding should be okay not about the money but it should be

not about the money but it should be about the feeling of confidence that

about the feeling of confidence that we're doing something that's creative

we're doing something that's creative and meaningful to others not just being

and meaningful to others not just being how big can I get and how Cal freaky can

how big can I get and how Cal freaky can I get and have nobody really appreciate

I get and have nobody really appreciate it anymore

it anymore granted art should bother people

granted art should bother people sometimes art should bother people

sometimes art should bother people sometimes so in all due respect current

sometimes so in all due respect current day bodybuilding as art is bothering me

day bodybuilding as art is bothering me and many others everybody talks about

and many others everybody talks about the golden era everybody wants to go

the golden era everybody wants to go back to the golden era and I'm like wow

back to the golden era and I'm like wow how do you know about that you're 20

how do you know about that you're 20 years old you're talking about the

years old you're talking about the golden era you know so that's another

golden era you know so that's another thing I tied up that's why I love

thing I tied up that's why I love Hungary okay going to the beach and

Hungary okay going to the beach and Hungary and to Lake balla balla tone is

Hungary and to Lake balla balla tone is like there's a there's a love for

like there's a there's a love for bodyboarding and a sort of an essence of

bodyboarding and a sort of an essence of the spirit of bodybuilding like Venice

the spirit of bodybuilding like Venice Beach used to have okay and that's I

Beach used to have okay and that's I think Europe could be the next mecca

think Europe could be the next mecca okay and in many ways it is in many ways

okay and in many ways it is in many ways it is

well Adam maybe you can answer that better than I can you know when did

better than I can you know when did bodybuilding start becoming you should

bodybuilding start becoming you should you should see the events they have

you should see the events they have there what the events are huge

there what the events are huge when did bodybuilding start becoming

when did bodybuilding start becoming popular

you're 33 years old so you were you were born probably when I studied my first

born probably when I studied my first seminar here you know recently that

seminar here you know recently that happened over the next five over the

happened over the next five over the recent five years yeah ten years but it

recent five years yeah ten years but it has the you don't think it's know it

has the you don't think it's know it will be Adam always says to me he said

will be Adam always says to me he said anything's possible in Hungary he yeah

anything's possible in Hungary he yeah he says anything's possible in hungry

he says anything's possible in hungry I'm like okay he's like easily he's

I'm like okay he's like easily he's influencing legally Arnold did back in

influencing legally Arnold did back in the old days and it you know and Hungary

the old days and it you know and Hungary is the doors are opening up to where

is the doors are opening up to where there's so much energy with within the

there's so much energy with within the super body's big great show tremendous

super body's big great show tremendous participation I mean SciTech is huge in

participation I mean SciTech is huge in Hungary

Hungary you know it's monstrous and it's like

you know it's monstrous and it's like wow what opportunities there are for an

wow what opportunities there are for an old guy like me in Hungary and of course

old guy like me in Hungary and of course you know in Switzerland I like

you know in Switzerland I like Switzerland sexy okay it is I know if

Switzerland sexy okay it is I know if you guys know that I mean watches coming

you guys know that I mean watches coming to the airport beautiful watches money

to the airport beautiful watches money in chocolate oh man it's a great country

in chocolate oh man it's a great country okay

okay that's what I see and I look outside the

that's what I see and I look outside the window with the hotel oh it's like

window with the hotel oh it's like Germany only quainter really cute and

Germany only quainter really cute and you know it's like I want to taste

you know it's like I want to taste everything I'm gonna can I try that can

everything I'm gonna can I try that can I try this you know there's something

I try this you know there's something about Switzerland you guys don't know

about Switzerland you guys don't know how great it is I'm gonna come back

how great it is I'm gonna come back we're gonna come back here for sure okay

we're gonna come back here for sure okay sir

well certainly bikini is popular bikini is very popular I I've when I first went

is very popular I I've when I first went to the gold gym back in the 70s there

to the gold gym back in the 70s there was no female bodybuilding there's just

was no female bodybuilding there's just it was a men's sanctuary Gold's Gym the

it was a men's sanctuary Gold's Gym the first Gold's Gym was a men's sanctuary

first Gold's Gym was a men's sanctuary we went there and talked about our date

we went there and talked about our date last night we squatted and we trained

last night we squatted and we trained and and there was two or three girls in

and and there was two or three girls in the gym in the 1970s that was gold gyms

the gym in the 1970s that was gold gyms membership Lisa Lyons Stacy Bentley

membership Lisa Lyons Stacy Bentley nobody remembers this is too long Lisa

nobody remembers this is too long Lisa Lyon yeah yes yeah she was fantastic yes

Lyon yeah yes yeah she was fantastic yes yes I think in and first at first I was

yes I think in and first at first I was uncomfortable with women being in the

uncomfortable with women being in the gym like how can I train with a girl

gym like how can I train with a girl here being here and then it became

here being here and then it became popular and there were no no women's

popular and there were no no women's restrooms in the gyms and then of course

restrooms in the gyms and then of course Joel gold you know made it to where we

Joel gold you know made it to where we functioned together and we trained

functioned together and we trained together and it made sense to me why

together and it made sense to me why shouldn't but the sheer idea of a woman

shouldn't but the sheer idea of a woman doing that was like it's like it's like

doing that was like it's like it's like a man doing a curtsy you saw you know I

a man doing a curtsy you saw you know I can I mean it's like I couldn't quite

can I mean it's like I couldn't quite put it together but I've really come to

put it together but I've really come to appreciate the female physique you can

appreciate the female physique you can look I think a trained body and men or a

look I think a trained body and men or a female or a male is is beautiful it

female or a male is is beautiful it really is and when a woman realizes that

really is and when a woman realizes that she can look more like a woman through

she can look more like a woman through weight training they get serious very

weight training they get serious very quick they get serious right away and I

quick they get serious right away and I missed that and the women's body

missed that and the women's body building it took different steps I think

building it took different steps I think it got into bodybuilding to where I'm

it got into bodybuilding to where I'm like it was just incomprehensible by the

like it was just incomprehensible by the general public I love Li Linda Marie

general public I love Li Linda Marie Linda Marie is a great friend thanks

Linda Marie is a great friend thanks she's the epitome in the beautiful

she's the epitome in the beautiful gorgeous woman I know her husband real

gorgeous woman I know her husband real well my wife and our good friends with

well my wife and our good friends with them okay and I think she a pedophile

them okay and I think she a pedophile she's the epitome of what body but he is

she's the epitome of what body but he is for a woman

for a woman and racial an old friend of mine I

and racial an old friend of mine I traveled around the world with racial

traveled around the world with racial yet we went to Japan together we went to

yet we went to Japan together we went to we crossed the International Dateline

we crossed the International Dateline together we have a lot of stories you

together we have a lot of stories you know I traveled I think Cory Everson was

know I traveled I think Cory Everson was a great influence when I first saw Cory

a great influence when I first saw Cory Everson I'm thinking she has no

Everson I'm thinking she has no potential at all for bodybuilding four

potential at all for bodybuilding four years later she was unbelievable she's a

years later she was unbelievable she's a great trainer her husband at the time

great trainer her husband at the time Jeff Ibrahim but I think women's body

Jeff Ibrahim but I think women's body bullying is undergoing some changes as

bullying is undergoing some changes as the men's are I think that will open up

the men's are I think that will open up again it will open up again I think that

again it will open up again I think that Linda will bring back female

Linda will bring back female bodybuilding I think she's elemental and

bodybuilding I think she's elemental and bringing it back and I think a lot a lot

bringing it back and I think a lot a lot of the practitioners in women's

of the practitioners in women's bodybuilding wanted to come back but I

bodybuilding wanted to come back but I think it's hard to really understand

think it's hard to really understand FEMA you know a girl looking like a man

FEMA you know a girl looking like a man it almost has a transgender kind of

it almost has a transgender kind of connotation to it okay although with all

connotation to it okay although with all respect we're judging muscle I know

yeah well if I may respectfully and humbly give my opinion I think men's

humbly give my opinion I think men's body bullying is means too much as

body bullying is means too much as always too much is never the answer too

always too much is never the answer too much of anything is never the answer too

much of anything is never the answer too much muscle not enough quality is what I

much muscle not enough quality is what I see in men's bodybuilding and the women

see in men's bodybuilding and the women too much muscle on a woman is hard to

too much muscle on a woman is hard to understand and fathom even though it's

understand and fathom even though it's art in some sense I mentioned that art

art in some sense I mentioned that art the current state of body bullying the

the current state of body bullying the art does bother me aren't supposed to

art does bother me aren't supposed to bother you

bother you sometimes good art does bother you for a

sometimes good art does bother you for a reason that's what art does Art's meant

reason that's what art does Art's meant to enlighten motivate or bother people

to enlighten motivate or bother people sculptor art paintings dance theater is

sculptor art paintings dance theater is meant to movies are meant to bother you

meant to movies are meant to bother you or enlighten you or motivate you so with

or enlighten you or motivate you so with all due respect the art of bodybuilding

all due respect the art of bodybuilding it is art and it's bothering a lot of

it is art and it's bothering a lot of people nowadays and the women are in

people nowadays and the women are in there and even the men it's bothering as

there and even the men it's bothering as we as an as an analogy or a comparison

we as an as an analogy or a comparison we used to be in two hot rods and that

we used to be in two hot rods and that was bodybuilding hot rods now

was bodybuilding hot rods now bodybuilding is funny cars we like and

bodybuilding is funny cars we like and appreciate funny cars we want to go back

appreciate funny cars we want to go back to hot rods does that make sense that

to hot rods does that make sense that analogy I mean I love the industry the

analogy I mean I love the industry the sport it's Who I am it's where I come

sport it's Who I am it's where I come from

from I'm just criticizing my own backyard I'm

I'm just criticizing my own backyard I'm criticizing myself I'm not lending

criticizing myself I'm not lending disrespect or ill thoughts to

disrespect or ill thoughts to bodybuilding and fitness I'm talking

bodybuilding and fitness I'm talking about what's inside me where I come from

about what's inside me where I come from and how I view it and I I think that

and how I view it and I I think that it'll come I think woman's body will

it'll come I think woman's body will come back with people like Linda Marie

come back with people like Linda Marie who's who can provocated probably you

who's who can provocated probably you know provoke it in some way I think it's

know provoke it in some way I think it's it's a wonderful activity for a lot of

it's a wonderful activity for a lot of the women the practices oh yeah

the women the practices oh yeah absolutely

absolutely okay and I think the men the classic

okay and I think the men the classic physique I think that's the new door I

physique I think that's the new door I think it's going to open the door for a

think it's going to open the door for a lot a lot of people do I have the

lot a lot of people do I have the answers right now and no but do I know

answers right now and no but do I know that I can tell you one thing change

that I can tell you one thing change changed nothing stays the same

changed nothing stays the same okay and I think the the night in that

okay and I think the the night in that the me apart a or the the the youngness

the me apart a or the the the youngness of bodybuilding people want to go back

of bodybuilding people want to go back to those times when it was simple and I

to those times when it was simple and I think that we want to make it we want to

think that we want to make it we want to portray the goodness of bodybuilding the

portray the goodness of bodybuilding the greatness of bodybuilding rather than

greatness of bodybuilding rather than the dark side there's a dark side to

the dark side there's a dark side to everything okay I mean there's drugs in

everything okay I mean there's drugs in corporate sport and in corporate when I

corporate sport and in corporate when I was in the corporation you know the

was in the corporation you know the caffeine and aspirin not to mention you

caffeine and aspirin not to mention you know cocaine and everything else does

know cocaine and everything else does that make a CEO no this drugs make a

that make a CEO no this drugs make a superstar athlete or bodybuilder is

superstar athlete or bodybuilder is their drugs and body but ensures their

their drugs and body but ensures their drugs in sport sure does that make a

drugs in sport sure does that make a superstar athlete no drugs doesn't make

superstar athlete no drugs doesn't make a superstar the superstar makes a

a superstar the superstar makes a superstar I don't even think it's

superstar I don't even think it's genetics I often think way it's not

genetics I often think way it's not genetics it's an attitude it's a belief

genetics it's an attitude it's a belief system that makes a superstar granted

system that makes a superstar granted usually do something you're good at

usually do something you're good at though I wasn't know you would do

though I wasn't know you would do something you're good at but I even

something you're good at but I even think that your attitude will take you

think that your attitude will take you any much further than any genetics your

any much further than any genetics your attitude will take you much further than

attitude will take you much further than any genetics I mean that I mean I could

any genetics I mean that I mean I could I could look at Arnold's physique and

I could look at Arnold's physique and sort of die except and say well that

sort of die except and say well that wasn't good that wasn't good

wasn't good that wasn't good well that could be better but he's the

well that could be better but he's the greatest of all time you know but you

greatest of all time you know but you ever see his pose went back in his

ever see his pose went back in his heyday oh my god oh my breath was taken

heyday oh my god oh my breath was taken aback good oh my god it's like you know

aback good oh my god it's like you know that's life life is the moments to take

that's life life is the moments to take your breath away we all think it's about

your breath away we all think it's about how many breaths we take his life it's

how many breaths we take his life it's not not how many breaths you take life

not not how many breaths you take life is the moments that take your breath

is the moments that take your breath away when I watched Arnold on stage back

away when I watched Arnold on stage back in the old days when I was a kid took my

in the old days when I was a kid took my breath away

breath away when I walk into the G gold's gym my

when I walk into the G gold's gym my first time in Gold's Gym in Robbie

first time in Gold's Gym in Robbie Robinson is underneath that that light

Robinson is underneath that that light doing a light barbell and I'm like you

doing a light barbell and I'm like you know this light was magical light this

know this light was magical light this magical skylight I'm like my god it's

magical skylight I'm like my god it's unbelievable that's what that's what got

unbelievable that's what that's what got me in and I was like I I decided that

me in and I was like I I decided that like those pictures when I was a kid

like those pictures when I was a kid those pictures that artis eller took Rd

those pictures that artis eller took Rd Zeller took pictures of Dave Draper and

Zeller took pictures of Dave Draper and Arnold on the beach

Arnold on the beach Zane I had that picture of my wall in my

Zane I had that picture of my wall in my office wall I have a picture of Trump

office wall I have a picture of Trump okay I have a picture of Dave Draper

okay I have a picture of Dave Draper when it met that nine-year-old kid going

when it met that nine-year-old kid going that's what I want to do dad

that's what I want to do dad okay and it's been a great life and you

okay and it's been a great life and you know I can talk about the dark or the

know I can talk about the dark or the negative and anything anything

negative and anything anything hey money is needed but there's a dark

hey money is needed but there's a dark side to money too and we need it we need

side to money too and we need it we need it all you need we need it in a balance

it all you need we need it in a balance where we really need

where we really need okay now balance is hard to do that's my

okay now balance is hard to do that's my current daily activity the cific and all

current daily activity the cific and all the things I think about I'm gonna I'm

the things I think about I'm gonna I'm gonna try to share this with you there's

gonna try to share this with you there's seven different facets of life that

seven different facets of life that where I try to balance career health

where I try to balance career health finance financial health family health

finance financial health family health social health mental health what you

social health mental health what you allow to enter into your your mind what

allow to enter into your your mind what else is there there's two other ones

first financial career family social mental spiritual health and I mentioned

mental spiritual health and I mentioned a missing one what is it

a missing one what is it physical health yeah all the most

physical health yeah all the most obvious one physical health all those

obvious one physical health all those seven things I have written down in my

seven things I have written down in my notebook my journal every day and I

notebook my journal every day and I can't I can never seem to remember the

can't I can never seem to remember the whole seven and I'm asked to remember

whole seven and I'm asked to remember all those things but I that's probably I

all those things but I that's probably I have a problem with it again but I try

have a problem with it again but I try to balance that and never had that

to balance that and never had that balance my whole life I never had that

balance my whole life I never had that balance I had career health and

balance I had career health and financial health

financial health but everything else sucked okay if I

but everything else sucked okay if I look at my life so my goal is an old man

look at my life so my goal is an old man is to balance all those things and every

is to balance all those things and every day early in the morning I think the

day early in the morning I think the time to have my ritual right celebrate

time to have my ritual right celebrate the another day and I take the time to

the another day and I take the time to think about all those things before I

think about all those things before I actually start doing stuff before I get

actually start doing stuff before I get involved and we start traveling to the

involved and we start traveling to the next country in the next country in the

next country in the next country in the next country but that's really what we

next country but that's really what we need and I really think this is a

need and I really think this is a training camp for what's next okay

training camp for what's next okay I can't believe this is it

I can't believe this is it okay and Steve Jobs my wife used to know

okay and Steve Jobs my wife used to know him he called the house one day there's

him he called the house one day there's Steve Jobs I'm like no way who is this

Steve Jobs I'm like no way who is this friend of mine you know it's cha there

friend of mine you know it's cha there yeah they work together back in the old

yeah they work together back in the old days and Steve Jobs gave her a new

days and Steve Jobs gave her a new computer because her computer failed but

computer because her computer failed but he talked about this before he died he

he talked about this before he died he talked about you know how he has all the

talked about you know how he has all the money in the world and is that really

money in the world and is that really success and he had listened to his some

success and he had listened to his some of his final thoughts it is tremendously

of his final thoughts it is tremendously moving and it just startled my life okay

moving and it just startled my life okay that's probably one of the major reasons

that's probably one of the major reasons I'm doing this again and talking like

I'm doing this again and talking like this again because it's time to start

this again because it's time to start getting back to what I know best and

getting back to what I know best and doing things I know best that I believe

doing things I know best that I believe in and the Church of bodybuilding this

in and the Church of bodybuilding this is a church these are all churches

is a church these are all churches that's right very spiritual squatting

that's right very spiritual squatting for reps is very spiritual your life

for reps is very spiritual your life passes in front of your eyes and you see

passes in front of your eyes and you see God you know you don't in a way okay but

God you know you don't in a way okay but that's my mentality and thank you for

that's my mentality and thank you for allowing me to go in those directions

allowing me to go in those directions but your questions are very provocated

but your questions are very provocated and provoking to me and I hope you don't

and provoking to me and I hope you don't mind me wandering over all over the

mind me wandering over all over the place in an effort to answer those

place in an effort to answer those questions is is as best I can

questions is is as best I can okay other questions or viewpoints or

okay other questions or viewpoints or thoughts

well social media social media is good in bed they're pro and con to everything

in bed they're pro and con to everything there's a pro and a con to everything a

there's a pro and a con to everything a lot of people I know who come to the gym

lot of people I know who come to the gym every day they haven't done nothing but

every day they haven't done nothing but there's on social media they become

there's on social media they become internet gurus internet champions

internet gurus internet champions knavery competed never competed in sport

knavery competed never competed in sport but their gurus even some of the ones

but their gurus even some of the ones that have won some stuff are making more

that have won some stuff are making more money than most people in the industry

money than most people in the industry I'm like what is that and so I'm being

I'm like what is that and so I'm being persuaded and pushed to become a social

persuaded and pushed to become a social media person which I'm not okay I

media person which I'm not okay I realize the importance of it there's an

realize the importance of it there's an importance to you can share a lot of

importance to you can share a lot of things a lot of people but in my day we

things a lot of people but in my day we had to do something to become famous now

had to do something to become famous now you speak people just do get on Facebook

you speak people just do get on Facebook and Instagram to become famous so I

and Instagram to become famous so I think there's you know a downside to

think there's you know a downside to social media it's a mr. Olympia or any

social media it's a mr. Olympia or any bodybuilding show people post daily

bodybuilding show people post daily selfies of themselves there's no mystery

selfies of themselves there's no mystery we used to wait to mr. Olympia we

we used to wait to mr. Olympia we couldn't wait to get to Columbus Ohio we

couldn't wait to get to Columbus Ohio we would drive up from I was in school with

would drive up from I was in school with a bunch of people in the car

a bunch of people in the car get up would get to Columbus Ohio like

get up would get to Columbus Ohio like we couldn't wait to see the show okay it

we couldn't wait to see the show okay it was fantastic but we didn't see anybody

was fantastic but we didn't see anybody from the whole year there's no facebook

from the whole year there's no facebook there was no Instagram we don't wait for

there was no Instagram we don't wait for the magazines to come out every month

the magazines to come out every month like anxious kids like when is the

like anxious kids like when is the magazine the other magnet you have

magazine the other magnet you have muscle and builder and power is it out

muscle and builder and power is it out yet ah we go crazy I'd read every word

yet ah we go crazy I'd read every word ten times back to back you know

I think that social media just the fact that it's instant the fact that it's

that it's instant the fact that it's quick people don't think in terms of

quick people don't think in terms of devotion and meaning to up anything to

devotion and meaning to up anything to anything they feel entitled when I was a

anything they feel entitled when I was a corporate recruiter the average 25 year

corporate recruiter the average 25 year old would feel entitled to a job I'm

old would feel entitled to a job I'm like if I had a job interview which I

like if I had a job interview which I did and I'd be there on my deathbed

did and I'd be there on my deathbed I'd be at my best suit going I'm here to

I'd be at my best suit going I'm here to interview I'm hurt I'm either early not

interview I'm hurt I'm either early not oh I'm gonna cancel it's raining today

oh I'm gonna cancel it's raining today you know so get back to your question I

you know so get back to your question I think we're at a time when I don't know

think we're at a time when I don't know about other countries I haven't studied

about other countries I haven't studied other countries enough but in America

other countries enough but in America most young people feel entitled the

most young people feel entitled the what's the word they use millennial the

what's the word they use millennial the average millennial feels that they

average millennial feels that they should get a job and be given stuff they

should get a job and be given stuff they don't have to work for it there's no

don't have to work for it there's no work ethic in America modern-day 20

work ethic in America modern-day 20 year-olds in America they have no idea

year-olds in America they have no idea what work ethic is they expect it to be

what work ethic is they expect it to be given to them that's why like hungry

given to them that's why like hungry people when hungry wasn't so long ago

people when hungry wasn't so long ago communism was popular right Adam it

communism was popular right Adam it wasn't so long ago when hungry calm

wasn't so long ago when hungry calm music calling the communism was the

music calling the communism was the chosen way of life

they didn't choose it but now it's not communism correct well he did we're

communism correct well he did we're getting into a lot of discussions I know

getting into a lot of discussions I know that I wasn't even prepared for this but

that I wasn't even prepared for this but I think yes it was put on them they

I think yes it was put on them they didn't they didn't say I want it what

didn't they didn't say I want it what I'm getting at though in Hungary

I'm getting at though in Hungary there's work ethic some of the guys in

there's work ethic some of the guys in the gym even the bikini girls man this

the gym even the bikini girls man this is an opportunity to become to do

is an opportunity to become to do something to become good at something

something to become good at something and they say they go after it I mean the

and they say they go after it I mean the gyms there's 20 gems that cutler gyms

gyms there's 20 gems that cutler gyms that I go to man they're packed with

that I go to man they're packed with people that have great energy there

people that have great energy there really is the super bodies they have

really is the super bodies they have there's good energy

there's good energy it could I could look at some negative -

it could I could look at some negative - okay I can't but I like that and that's

okay I can't but I like that and that's what I see in Europe and that's what I

what I see in Europe and that's what I see missing in America I haven't really

see missing in America I haven't really studied every country enough to talk

studied every country enough to talk about this

about this certainly not Switzerland I've Lehmann

certainly not Switzerland I've Lehmann here for the last 24 hours

here for the last 24 hours okay but things come back and I think

okay but things come back and I think that in America work ethic somehow needs

that in America work ethic somehow needs to be instilled in young people and I

to be instilled in young people and I think it will again through trials and

think it will again through trials and tribulations and problems than maybe

tribulations and problems than maybe re-educating in America there's a big

re-educating in America there's a big problem with that but one thing I do

problem with that but one thing I do want to share with you is that

want to share with you is that opportunities will always come to you if

opportunities will always come to you if you expect opportunities and when they

you expect opportunities and when they come you see them for instance

come you see them for instance in 1979 in 1979 a maid

in 1979 in 1979 a maid I was made $40,000 my first year as a

I was made $40,000 my first year as a pro in 1979 I was rich in my mind okay

pro in 1979 I was rich in my mind okay and I had the opportunity they offered

and I had the opportunity they offered me half of gold's gym for $20,000

me half of gold's gym for $20,000 they said for $20,000 you can have half

they said for $20,000 you can have half of gold's gym ownership keep in mind

of gold's gym ownership keep in mind there's only one gold's gym back then

there's only one gold's gym back then there was one Gold's Gym ten guys five

there was one Gold's Gym ten guys five girls that was it that was the fitness

girls that was it that was the fitness industry okay I'm like are you kidding

industry okay I'm like are you kidding me I want to buy a Corvette instead okay

me I want to buy a Corvette instead okay I bought a Corvette biggest mistake in

I bought a Corvette biggest mistake in my life or one of the biggest mistakes

my life or one of the biggest mistakes in my life

in my life Abelardo Corvette instead and if I were

Abelardo Corvette instead and if I were to spend $20,000 half of my earnings

to spend $20,000 half of my earnings that year in 1979 I would own half of

that year in 1979 I would own half of gold gyms around the world okay so I

gold gyms around the world okay so I didn't have the business vision I never

didn't have the business vision I never had the business vision that a lot of

had the business vision that a lot of guys did have Arnold was buying property

guys did have Arnold was buying property in Venice California this dump hole in a

in Venice California this dump hole in a wall place the gym

wall place the gym the reason Gold's Gym is in Venice it

the reason Gold's Gym is in Venice it was cheap cheap rent okay but I never

was cheap cheap rent okay but I never had that vision of how to purchase

had that vision of how to purchase properties 25 years later I was asked to

properties 25 years later I was asked to invest my neighbor my neighbor said Tom

invest my neighbor my neighbor said Tom I want you to invest in my my project

I want you to invest in my my project I'm starting a new company I'm gonna I'm

I'm starting a new company I'm gonna I'm gonna start a coffee shop on my coffee

gonna start a coffee shop on my coffee shop even buy coffee anywhere so I

shop even buy coffee anywhere so I decided not to invest with him nudee

decided not to invest with him nudee card called his company Starbucks okay

card called his company Starbucks okay I'm like I missed it again

I'm like I missed it again okay I can never see the vision I didn't

okay I can never see the vision I didn't have that talent if you will

have that talent if you will I couldn't not smell that Arnold's could

I couldn't not smell that Arnold's could smell that Trump could smell it Vince

smell that Trump could smell it Vince McMahon the owner of the WWE could smell

McMahon the owner of the WWE could smell it I had no idea what these guys are

it I had no idea what these guys are talking about but opportunity is gonna

talking about but opportunity is gonna always being come to you and I think a

always being come to you and I think a lot of the young people need to realize

lot of the young people need to realize that opportunity comes to them but they

that opportunity comes to them but they they have to work for it

they have to work for it they can't just expect it to come to

they can't just expect it to come to them they've got to work for it when

them they've got to work for it when you're working hard at something

and what luck is people say yeah you were lucky but luck is when preparation

were lucky but luck is when preparation meets opportunity and I trained for

meets opportunity and I trained for years and years and years and years I

years and years and years and years I wasn't the guy I wasn't the chosen

wasn't the guy I wasn't the chosen winner I'm standing on stage and I

winner I'm standing on stage and I watched Ron to for 1978 at the mr.

watched Ron to for 1978 at the mr. America contest called

America contest called be angry because he lost he called the

be angry because he lost he called the judges names and walked off the stage

judges names and walked off the stage and I'm standing on I'm the guy because

and I'm standing on I'm the guy because he walked offstage mad and angry and

he walked offstage mad and angry and called the judges I don't know bad names

called the judges I don't know bad names in the early 70s mid 70s we were all on

in the early 70s mid 70s we were all on high fat low carb diets mainly because

high fat low carb diets mainly because Arnold said to do Arnold Draper

Arnold said to do Arnold Draper Zain all my heroes I had all their

Zain all my heroes I had all their pictures on my wall in my bedroom as a

pictures on my wall in my bedroom as a boy okay

boy okay and I they were up we all taught that

and I they were up we all taught that low carbohydrates low sugar was the

low carbohydrates low sugar was the answer and high fat was the solution

answer and high fat was the solution high fat metabolism 1979 in my first

high fat metabolism 1979 in my first Olympia 1980 my second Olympia I decided

Olympia 1980 my second Olympia I decided that I had to change something because

that I had to change something because if I kept doing what I'm doing I kept

if I kept doing what I'm doing I kept getting what I'm getting I wanted to

getting what I'm getting I wanted to place higher than mr. Lippe I wanted to

place higher than mr. Lippe I wanted to win the mr. Olympia okay so I talked to

win the mr. Olympia okay so I talked to this mic mentor Mike was very convincing

this mic mentor Mike was very convincing to me that a high carbohydrate diet

to me that a high carbohydrate diet could be conducive to me I thought about

could be conducive to me I thought about it a lot and I adopted a high

it a lot and I adopted a high carbohydrate diet ate 300 300 grams of

carbohydrate diet ate 300 300 grams of carbohydrate a day less than 10 grams of

carbohydrate a day less than 10 grams of fat a day in 1980 got pretty good

fat a day in 1980 got pretty good results 1981 same approach high carb

results 1981 same approach high carb diet high sugar diet low fat diet got in

diet high sugar diet low fat diet got in the best shape of my life that was the

the best shape of my life that was the answer to me

answer to me I thought back in 82 three four five six

I thought back in 82 three four five six that I should keep doing exactly the

that I should keep doing exactly the same thing in hindsight hindsight's

same thing in hindsight hindsight's always 20/20 I should have switched

always 20/20 I should have switched metabolisms I think the secret lies in

metabolisms I think the secret lies in switching metabolisms going from high

switching metabolisms going from high fat metabolism to carbohydrate

fat metabolism to carbohydrate metabolism years ago when life was about

metabolism years ago when life was about farmers and farms during the winter time

farmers and farms during the winter time you would people have fruit sellers they

you would people have fruit sellers they would have special sellers they kept of

would have special sellers they kept of the jarred fruit right they would eat

the jarred fruit right they would eat the carbohydrates that they have that

the carbohydrates that they have that they stored away for the whole winter as

they stored away for the whole winter as the winter progressed they'd run out of

the winter progressed they'd run out of the sugars and those peaches and the

the sugars and those peaches and the stuff in the in the in the in the cellar

stuff in the in the in the in the cellar the fruit seller was to call them and

the fruit seller was to call them and you know eventually they were able to

you know eventually they were able to function on fat metabolism the rest of

function on fat metabolism the rest of the winter summer came along apples and

the winter summer came along apples and fruits were available again they

fruits were available again they switched they switched to sugar - fat -

switched they switched to sugar - fat - carbohydrate metabolism so humans

carbohydrate metabolism so humans responded because of the climate -

responded because of the climate - alternating fat metabolism -

alternating fat metabolism - carbohydrate metabolism naturally I

carbohydrate metabolism naturally I think that's the secret to bodybuilding

think that's the secret to bodybuilding we don't do that enough a lot of people

we don't do that enough a lot of people do they don't they they focus on this

do they don't they they focus on this before the show they alternate different

before the show they alternate different days different weeks but I think that's

days different weeks but I think that's where the real solution is if I had to

where the real solution is if I had to do it all over again in terms of my

do it all over again in terms of my nutrition I would have switched

nutrition I would have switched metabolisms back to a high fat and back

metabolisms back to a high fat and back to carbohydrates more more than just

to carbohydrates more more than just staying with one thought

well I probably would have looked at more in terms of years because I felt

more in terms of years because I felt that being on a high carbohydrate

that being on a high carbohydrate metabolism for two years work really

metabolism for two years work really well from my point my personal

well from my point my personal experience most people think in weeks

experience most people think in weeks and months I was more successful in

and months I was more successful in thinking years I think a year two years

thinking years I think a year two years on a high carbohydrate metabolism worked

on a high carbohydrate metabolism worked really well and I think another I should

really well and I think another I should have switched to a high fat metabolism

have switched to a high fat metabolism during that during that interim and I

during that during that interim and I didn't because I found something that

didn't because I found something that worked for me and I felt I'd do that all

worked for me and I felt I'd do that all the time but your body changes and

the time but your body changes and that's some of the things I think about

that's some of the things I think about now

now at age 62 I have a sugar handling problem I can't handle uh sugar I can't

problem I can't handle uh sugar I can't eat 300 grams of carbs every day we

eat 300 grams of carbs every day we talked about this this morning I can't

talked about this this morning I can't do anymore

do anymore I can't nothing not out of choice if I

I can't nothing not out of choice if I eat three-hour grams of carbs a day I'm

eat three-hour grams of carbs a day I'm like dizzy I'm lethargic I want to sleep

like dizzy I'm lethargic I want to sleep 12 hours a day

12 hours a day I'm like oh God I call Adam Adam I'm not

I'm like oh God I call Adam Adam I'm not doing too good today I got I'm sleeping

doing too good today I got I'm sleeping all day my adrenal glands can't handle

all day my adrenal glands can't handle it my pancreas insulin sensitivity

it my pancreas insulin sensitivity thymus gland which the medical

thymus gland which the medical profession will never talk about I can't

profession will never talk about I can't hang out tolerate the sugar sugar is a

hang out tolerate the sugar sugar is a problem when people get cancer order

problem when people get cancer order that what should they do my to get rid

that what should they do my to get rid of the sugar I think your cancer sugar

of the sugar I think your cancer sugar helps everything we're all including

helps everything we're all including cancer

cancer I do much better nowadays at my age

I do much better nowadays at my age having a higher fat metabolism 100 grams

having a higher fat metabolism 100 grams of carbohydrates a day maybe maybe I'll

of carbohydrates a day maybe maybe I'll push it to 130 with my caloric structure

push it to 130 with my caloric structure being somewhere between 2,000 to 2600

being somewhere between 2,000 to 2600 calories a day that's me this for me but

calories a day that's me this for me but it's it's based more on fat metabolism

it's it's based more on fat metabolism which I find is much better for me I can

which I find is much better for me I can think clearer think sharper that high

think clearer think sharper that high carbohydrates which I would 20 years ago

carbohydrates which I would 20 years ago outtie give you the opposite description

outtie give you the opposite description I would have said the opposite okay but

I would have said the opposite okay but that's some of the things I've learned

that's some of the things I've learned and I think we're meant to do better on

and I think we're meant to do better on fats

fats I think butter butter is essential we

I think butter butter is essential we forgot about not margarine margarine has

forgot about not margarine margarine has margarine has a half-life of 50 years in

margarine has a half-life of 50 years in the body was six it stays in the body

the body was six it stays in the body for 50 years who knows what else did it

for 50 years who knows what else did it what happens but butter does not not

what happens but butter does not not have to be broken down by the liver

have to be broken down by the liver brother gets immediately into the

brother gets immediately into the bloodstream my joints my my skin is much

bloodstream my joints my my skin is much better with butter I could get away with

better with butter I could get away with it when I was 20 when I was 20 late to

it when I was 20 when I was 20 late to beat 3 hours a day that was I could look

beat 3 hours a day that was I could look good for most of my 20s you know

good for most of my 20s you know on real low-fat diets no butter just

on real low-fat diets no butter just sugar okay

sugar okay but I found nowadays I urge a lot

but I found nowadays I urge a lot quicker with a more sugar now that I'm

quicker with a more sugar now that I'm back on higher fats I feel younger I

back on higher fats I feel younger I feel sharper feel better I can train

feel sharper feel better I can train hard I can go I was in the gym I was

hard I can go I was in the gym I was able to touch 400 pounds of five reps

able to touch 400 pounds of five reps and squats I was able to do 315 last

and squats I was able to do 315 last year for between 15 and 20 perfect reps

year for between 15 and 20 perfect reps you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go

you know I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go back to what I used to do and I'm not

back to what I used to do and I'm not thirty men and I'm 62 years old I have

thirty men and I'm 62 years old I have to really carefully plan to do those

to really carefully plan to do those heavy squats very carefully planned it's

heavy squats very carefully planned it's kind of fun no I've never had any

kind of fun no I've never had any problem my life

problem my life but yesterday perfect pure technique we

but yesterday perfect pure technique we talked about this yesterday we have two

talked about this yesterday we have two seminars tomorrow perfect technique

seminars tomorrow perfect technique modern day squatting the technique has

modern day squatting the technique has been bastardized for lack of a better

been bastardized for lack of a better word the technique is about a hip thrust

word the technique is about a hip thrust to take people using buttocks and lower

to take people using buttocks and lower back too much not the quads I believe in

back too much not the quads I believe in a quad dominant squat the foundational

a quad dominant squat the foundational movement like Olympic lifters do okay

movement like Olympic lifters do okay the foundational movement of the squat

the foundational movement of the squat in its purity being a quad dominant

in its purity being a quad dominant movement having the back not perfectly

movement having the back not perfectly 90 degrees but maybe four or five

90 degrees but maybe four or five degrees off it's perfect most people who

degrees off it's perfect most people who are fitness advocates nowadays squat

are fitness advocates nowadays squat some somewhere in the area of forty five

some somewhere in the area of forty five degrees it's a hip thrust they handle

degrees it's a hip thrust they handle big weights and some of the girls preach

big weights and some of the girls preach good but talk development from squats

good but talk development from squats under those conditions I get it I get it

under those conditions I get it I get it but I think it's much more difficult on

but I think it's much more difficult on the knees I think CrossFit is great at

the knees I think CrossFit is great at as CrossFit is and the unity and the

as CrossFit is and the unity and the family and the energy that they create

family and the energy that they create within the CrossFit community they're

within the CrossFit community they're all hurting there on their knees because

all hurting there on their knees because I think it's easier to teach an

I think it's easier to teach an incorrect squat than it is a correct

incorrect squat than it is a correct squat to really be a weightlifter to

squat to really be a weightlifter to learn the correct squat it takes years

learn the correct squat it takes years I've seen weight lifters practice their

I've seen weight lifters practice their technique with broomsticks for years

technique with broomsticks for years before even putting the weight on what

before even putting the weight on what do I teach young men and women

do I teach young men and women no wait forget about the wait the

no wait forget about the wait the technique size and strength will follow

technique size and strength will follow but what I've seen happen with squatting

but what I've seen happen with squatting originally in the 1980s people lacked

originally in the 1980s people lacked ankle flexibility which limited that

ankle flexibility which limited that limited their squating ability now I'm

limited their squating ability now I'm seeing lack of lack of flexibility in

seeing lack of lack of flexibility in the hip structure in the old day look at

the hip structure in the old day look at pumping iron you see Arnold doing cable

pumping iron you see Arnold doing cable rows he's bending wave forward way this

rows he's bending wave forward way this way way that way you doing t-bar rows

way way that way you doing t-bar rows he's moving his hips nowadays because of

he's moving his hips nowadays because of the pharmacology because of the size of

the pharmacology because of the size of the bodybuilders we choose or machines

the bodybuilders we choose or machines first so most modern-day body butters

first so most modern-day body butters come and use all the machines and don't

come and use all the machines and don't use the free weights and the dumbbells

use the free weights and the dumbbells in the barbells okay as much as they

in the barbells okay as much as they should be initially and some of the some

should be initially and some of the some of the negative results of choosing only

of the negative results of choosing only machines is Lex less flexibility so

machines is Lex less flexibility so almost by necessity bod current body

almost by necessity bod current body butters in fitness advocates squat

butters in fitness advocates squat incorrectly if I may say so and I got to

incorrectly if I may say so and I got to tell you I'm not all that ok I'm not I'm

tell you I'm not all that ok I'm not I'm standing on the shoulders of many great

standing on the shoulders of many great men and women before me I was taught and

men and women before me I was taught and had the honour of being taught by some

had the honour of being taught by some of the best in the industry Norbert

of the best in the industry Norbert Szymanski taught me how to squat the

Szymanski taught me how to squat the best one of the best Olympic lifters in

best one of the best Olympic lifters in the world in fact he won the gold

the world in fact he won the gold medalist he won the gold medal in the

medalist he won the gold medal in the Olympic Games in 1972 I think it was but

Olympic Games in 1972 I think it was but Norbert Szymanski he was working in

Norbert Szymanski he was working in Detroit and I was living in Detroit for

Detroit and I was living in Detroit for a while my dad moved around my parent

a while my dad moved around my parent family moved around but Norbert

family moved around but Norbert Szymanski left his job and go one he won

Szymanski left his job and go one he won the gold medal in the Olympic Games

the gold medal in the Olympic Games weightlifting in the heavyweight class

weightlifting in the heavyweight class he came back to Detroit they said we

he came back to Detroit they said we stupid wedding after he left your job

stupid wedding after he left your job for two weeks we're gonna fire you they

for two weeks we're gonna fire you they left they fired him from his job after

left they fired him from his job after you won the gold medal in the Olympic

you won the gold medal in the Olympic Games in weightlifting he taught me how

Games in weightlifting he taught me how to train meanwhile the super heavyweight

to train meanwhile the super heavyweight winner that year was vastly alexia they

winner that year was vastly alexia they had parades for him in Russia over the

had parades for him in Russia over the old Soviet Union they had he was a

old Soviet Union they had he was a national hero the correct parades for

national hero the correct parades for him you know I wanted to go to Russia

him you know I wanted to go to Russia when I was a little boy I thought maybe

when I was a little boy I thought maybe the answer to

the answer to but people forgot how to squat I think

but people forgot how to squat I think there's two things the work ethic

there's two things the work ethic modern-day bodybuilders forgot about got

modern-day bodybuilders forgot about got a train hard yeah have fun in the gym

a train hard yeah have fun in the gym you got to go after it

you got to go after it most modern-day people depend upon

most modern-day people depend upon pharmacology Oh take this and take

pharmacology Oh take this and take they'll fix it I think we're gonna have

they'll fix it I think we're gonna have to go the opposite way less pharmacology

to go the opposite way less pharmacology I'm talking about taboo things I know

I'm talking about taboo things I know but somebody's got to address this stuff

but somebody's got to address this stuff somebody's got to address it and I guess

somebody's got to address it and I guess it's me I guess you know so that's some

it's me I guess you know so that's some of the things I do address in seminar

of the things I do address in seminar format not necessarily here today okay

format not necessarily here today okay but a lot of the modern day pros in

but a lot of the modern day pros in Europe there's no what you're telling me

Europe there's no what you're telling me and I'll even propagate this Tom we've

and I'll even propagate this Tom we've decided to take less drugs

decided to take less drugs thank God less drugs back in my day

thank God less drugs back in my day every limpia that I competed in I think

every limpia that I competed in I think I spent almost $300 to compete in every

I spent almost $300 to compete in every Olympia okay

Olympia okay I would out what I would take is what

I would out what I would take is what the girls took years ago I mean you know

the girls took years ago I mean you know next to nothing and I got great results

next to nothing and I got great results with very little more is less is more

with very little more is less is more and I think that's where we should be

and I think that's where we should be headed and that's where we're starting

headed and that's where we're starting I'm getting clue so that's what the

I'm getting clue so that's what the industry is realizing but I think that

industry is realizing but I think that you know all sport has drugs in there

you know all sport has drugs in there and even in the corporate world has

and even in the corporate world has drugs involved in the life of the

drugs involved in the life of the corporate person the drugs

corporate person the drugs clouds things and causes issues I

clouds things and causes issues I believe but more importantly to answer

believe but more importantly to answer your question I should or to say on

your question I should or to say on point I think that because of the choice

point I think that because of the choice to do more machines in less free weights

to do more machines in less free weights the main tools of our trade the main

the main tools of our trade the main tools of our trade the dumbbell the

tools of our trade the dumbbell the barbell the main tools of our trade we

barbell the main tools of our trade we forgot about that and we're having

forgot about that and we're having flexibility issues related to that it's

flexibility issues related to that it's like most personal trainers we

like most personal trainers we introduced the physio ball into the gym

introduced the physio ball into the gym years ago 10 15 years ago the physio

years ago 10 15 years ago the physio ball because most modern-day Fitness

ball because most modern-day Fitness advocates were using machines now using

advocates were using machines now using more machines

more machines all that young men and women see the top

all that young men and women see the top pros using machines they all follow suit

pros using machines they all follow suit use machines we're missing the things

use machines we're missing the things that create and enhance flexibility

that create and enhance flexibility athletic function athletic function

athletic function athletic function comes from free weights the dumbbells

comes from free weights the dumbbells and the barbells and the pulleys the

and the barbells and the pulleys the main tools of our trade I'm sort of

main tools of our trade I'm sort of blending a lot a lot of different I'm

blending a lot a lot of different I'm taking your questions I'm sort of going

taking your questions I'm sort of going over here bringing it back and I'm

over here bringing it back and I'm putting I'm sort of thinking about a lot

putting I'm sort of thinking about a lot of things when I answer your questions

of things when I answer your questions hope you don't mind that there's no

hope you don't mind that there's no there's no one liner to answer a

there's no one liner to answer a question you know there is no one liner

question you know there is no one liner people want one liners what's the what's

people want one liners what's the what's that one line what's the few words that

that one line what's the few words that can give me the answer whenever I work

can give me the answer whenever I work with the person usually it takes me 50

with the person usually it takes me 50 weeks to change the mentality and change

weeks to change the mentality and change the physicality and the motor you motor

the physicality and the motor you motor pathway of a 30 year old person 22 work

pathway of a 30 year old person 22 work with a 20 year old person I could change

with a 20 year old person I could change it in two days on cables they have no

it in two days on cables they have no bad habits if you will sir

what I want to tell you is my own made-up story my wife will tell it

made-up story my wife will tell it differently okay there was a time we got

differently okay there was a time we got real depressed when you lose something

real depressed when you lose something that was so important to you and it was

that was so important to you and it was a choice for choice but it's time to get

a choice for choice but it's time to get out

out nobody said retire I chose to retire it

nobody said retire I chose to retire it was time every decade a new generation

was time every decade a new generation of guys come up and like it's time to

of guys come up and like it's time to get out plus I was still touring around

get out plus I was still touring around the world till guest posing still

the world till guest posing still showing my legs and promoters like pay

showing my legs and promoters like pay you anything just show me your legs

you anything just show me your legs that's all and I'm like it was time to

that's all and I'm like it was time to get out was it wasn't lost of the joy of

get out was it wasn't lost of the joy of it the joy of going onstage I was losing

it the joy of going onstage I was losing that after 25 years of doing it so I

that after 25 years of doing it so I decided to retire I don't know what to

decided to retire I don't know what to do

do I didn't know what to do is a lot like

I didn't know what to do is a lot like durian okay and I know durian real well

durian okay and I know durian real well but you when you lose that it's like

but you when you lose that it's like losing your spouse like it's like losing

losing your spouse like it's like losing an arm or losing a leg what do I do now

an arm or losing a leg what do I do now Who am I Who am I in this world without

Who am I Who am I in this world without body moving and so for a long time I

body moving and so for a long time I said I'm not even go to the gym is why

said I'm not even go to the gym is why go you can't really go there and do it

go you can't really go there and do it might go at all so a good 15 years I

might go at all so a good 15 years I didn't I didn't see a gym I didn't care

didn't I didn't see a gym I didn't care about a gym I said that was the old days

about a gym I said that was the old days that was the past and eventually I had

that was the past and eventually I had no choice I had to get a job okay

no choice I had to get a job okay I mean I'll you know I was doing some

I mean I'll you know I was doing some occasional stuff here and there but I

occasional stuff here and there but I wasn't developed on social media yet

wasn't developed on social media yet okay I realized the importance

okay I realized the importance financially of all that yeah I do

financially of all that yeah I do people were showing me social media

people were showing me social media amongst the social media was growing I

amongst the social media was growing I was Facebook what is Facebook anyhow you

was Facebook what is Facebook anyhow you can make money you can Instagram and you

can make money you can Instagram and you can have an Internet you can push people

can have an Internet you can push people to your site and I'll calculate

to your site and I'll calculate I wasn't that person that's why I said

I wasn't that person that's why I said to myself I got a job

to myself I got a job I got a good job I have a lot of degrees

I got a good job I have a lot of degrees I never really have experience I did

I never really have experience I did work for a short time with Trump and

work for a short time with Trump and McMahon yeah

McMahon yeah but that was in the early 90s here now

but that was in the early 90s here now it's 2007 and you know my finance is

it's 2007 and you know my finance is getting lower I'm starting oh god am I

getting lower I'm starting oh god am I gonna do what am I gonna do good

gonna do what am I gonna do good question

question I very rarely share this with people so

I very rarely share this with people so I've got on the internet looked for jobs

I've got on the internet looked for jobs on where they call a call that's

on where they call a call that's Craigslist okay look for things on

Craigslist okay look for things on Craigslist

Craigslist what's Craigslist don't know that looked

what's Craigslist don't know that looked it and I started looking all the jobs

it and I started looking all the jobs start interviewing I'm like wall I'm

start interviewing I'm like wall I'm really out of my league I don't know

really out of my league I don't know what I'm doing I don't have any skills

what I'm doing I don't have any skills they would ask things like well you know

they would ask things like well you know what kind of programming computer

what kind of programming computer programming do you understand he had the

programming do you understand he had the expertise doing

expertise doing do you have skills with I forget the

do you have skills with I forget the name that I haven't thought about it the

name that I haven't thought about it the various programs and different things

various programs and different things can you do this can you do that can you

can you do this can you do that can you have the of experience proficiency and

have the of experience proficiency and this and this

this and this unlike know as soon as I said no I had

unlike know as soon as I said no I had no computer experience like people would

no computer experience like people would laugh at me are you kidding you're an

laugh at me are you kidding you're an old guy next they would even say that

old guy next they would even say that back so they look in their eye like

back so they look in their eye like right I don't care if you were mr.

right I don't care if you were mr. universe who cares we need somebody can

universe who cares we need somebody can perform here in this industry so finally

perform here in this industry so finally I asked him interviewing a lot a lot I

I asked him interviewing a lot a lot I mean every day for 6 months 8 months I

mean every day for 6 months 8 months I started learning at home a few things

started learning at home a few things my wife's pretty sharp she showed me

my wife's pretty sharp she showed me some things I gained a little

some things I gained a little proficiency that I could speak a little

proficiency that I could speak a little bit about this is what I can handle and

bit about this is what I can handle and I can handle these programs ok and

I can handle these programs ok and finally we went into the interview and

finally we went into the interview and said I can do this give me a give me an

said I can do this give me a give me an opportunity let me show what I can do

opportunity let me show what I can do put me in a entry-level position all

put me in a entry-level position all right

right they said to me this this girl her name

they said to me this this girl her name was Rochelle Rochelle was gorgeous

was Rochelle Rochelle was gorgeous I mean dressed the two tens the

I mean dressed the two tens the beautiful corporate woman just a hint of

beautiful corporate woman just a hint of sexuality but very corporate you know

sexuality but very corporate you know beautiful and I'm like she goes I don't

beautiful and I'm like she goes I don't what to do with you I don't know what to

what to do with you I don't know what to do with you Tom

do with you Tom I understand what you came from in your

I understand what you came from in your background as I did some research on you

background as I did some research on you nowadays she did research you're like

nowadays she did research you're like she goes alright I'm gonna take a chance

she goes alright I'm gonna take a chance on you she said that to me great when do

on you she said that to me great when do I start

I start when can you start immediately okay and

when can you start immediately okay and I was overwhelmed I was anxious I was

I was overwhelmed I was anxious I was sweating my palms were wet just like it

sweating my palms were wet just like it wasn't the squat rack when I was a kid

wasn't the squat rack when I was a kid the same feeling all over again

the same feeling all over again I'm back at the squat rack all over

I'm back at the squat rack all over again

again and I had to do it I could I had to

and I had to do it I could I had to figure it out

figure it out and I remember squatting for the first

and I remember squatting for the first time with you know an orbitrim asking

time with you know an orbitrim asking all the big lifters they would look at

all the big lifters they would look at me like hmm

me like hmm they put the weight on for me so finally

they put the weight on for me so finally I started doing things in the office and

I started doing things in the office and a couple key people really helped me

a couple key people really helped me they did they showed me they showed me

they did they showed me they showed me how to become faster and sharper and

how to become faster and sharper and quicker I practice on my own time I went

quicker I practice on my own time I went home and asked my wife about this and my

home and asked my wife about this and my dad but that and I would ask people to

dad but that and I would ask people to show me this you know at first I was

show me this you know at first I was baffled beyond belief I'd go home one oh

baffled beyond belief I'd go home one oh my god am I gonna do I don't know how

my god am I gonna do I don't know how I'm not from the digital world I have no

I'm not from the digital world I have no idea after about seven years after about

idea after about seven years after about seven years a long time

seven years a long time I got good I got good I was proud of

I got good I got good I was proud of myself okay I'm like it go in the

myself okay I'm like it go in the morning I get in there early before

morning I get in there early before anybody else came in just like I did at

anybody else came in just like I did at the gym and I'm like okay I'm getting

the gym and I'm like okay I'm getting ready for the day get everything set up

ready for the day get everything set up and ready to go I'm gonna I'm gonna make

and ready to go I'm gonna I'm gonna make this happen and I was a corporate I

this happen and I was a corporate I finally got promoted to a corporate

finally got promoted to a corporate recruiter position and I studied the

recruiter position and I studied the mentality I knew I knew people I knew

mentality I knew I knew people I knew people I could I can listen to people

people I could I can listen to people talk and I can interview them and the

talk and I can interview them and the opportunity now is to do things in

opportunity now is to do things in world that I was familiar with from

world that I was familiar with from bodybuilding in the gym looking at

bodybuilding in the gym looking at athletes going hah that could have got a

athletes going hah that could have got a job as a coach or something I didn't

job as a coach or something I didn't want to be a PE told I want to do

want to be a PE told I want to do something where I was really

something where I was really uncomfortable and it was when I was it

uncomfortable and it was when I was it was overwhelming and I could have failed

was overwhelming and I could have failed I did fail a lot of days a lot of days I

I did fail a lot of days a lot of days I failed ridiculously bad okay I did big

failed ridiculously bad okay I did big you know what are you gonna do you're

you know what are you gonna do you're gonna just stay down this is what I said

gonna just stay down this is what I said to Dory until you gonna just stay down

to Dory until you gonna just stay down are you gonna get up

are you gonna get up the only difference the only way to go

the only difference the only way to go what's up that's what the squat taught

what's up that's what the squat taught me once you go down you got to get up

me once you go down you got to get up you got to get up you gotta get up so I

you got to get up you gotta get up so I talked myself through this I'd get up go

talked myself through this I'd get up go to the office the next day after seven

to the office the next day after seven years I built up some proficiency in

years I built up some proficiency in computer programs I could handle an

computer programs I could handle an office environment eventually have my

office environment eventually have my own office you know and I enjoyed I

own office you know and I enjoyed I immensely enjoyed it because it worked

immensely enjoyed it because it worked hard at it you worked real hard at it it

hard at it you worked real hard at it it was part of who I was so now I did this

was part of who I was so now I did this video for team and robe okay and Foom

video for team and robe okay and Foom went viral that was just on a weekend we

went viral that was just on a weekend we did it David and I did a video for Team

did it David and I did a video for Team Angela we talked about the squat the

Angela we talked about the squat the squat the film went viral and had

squat the film went viral and had opportunity to go work again in the

opportunity to go work again in the industry but I'm not in my corporate

industry but I'm not in my corporate world now going hey that's the old days

world now going hey that's the old days bodybuilding is the old days the

bodybuilding is the old days the corporate world is my new days right

corporate world is my new days right start to make some good money and join

start to make some good money and join it but finally I got to the point to

it but finally I got to the point to where social media boom developed and

where social media boom developed and developed until I was had the

developed until I was had the opportunity to come back to the business

opportunity to come back to the business I know best it was it was a decision I

I know best it was it was a decision I had to make you want to stay in the

had to make you want to stay in the corporate world and I worked hard at

corporate world and I worked hard at being the guy in that world and I'm 62

being the guy in that world and I'm 62 years old doing everything I can do to

years old doing everything I can do to run circles around 30 year olds okay I'm

run circles around 30 year olds okay I'm I had to work hard I didn't come easy

I had to work hard I didn't come easy didn't come easy at all I had work

didn't come easy at all I had work harder than I did at squat rack which is

harder than I did at squat rack which is pretty hard I almost died a few times

pretty hard I almost died a few times and I thought about it okay

and I thought about it okay but I'm thinking okay do I want to give

but I'm thinking okay do I want to give that up what I've gained here in the

that up what I've gained here in the corporate world to go back

corporate world to go back Kanda bodybuilding I made the decision

Kanda bodybuilding I made the decision to say yeah let's go back to

to say yeah let's go back to bodybuilding let's go back to what I

bodybuilding let's go back to what I know let's go back to touring let's go

know let's go back to touring let's go back to doing things in the bodybuilding

back to doing things in the bodybuilding business let's build up a let's put up a

business let's build up a let's put up a motivational library use the times you

motivational library use the times you couldn't get up and you got up to talk

couldn't get up and you got up to talk about with people talk about those times

about with people talk about those times Hungary became available other countries

Hungary became available other countries became available thanks to David and

became available thanks to David and team and ro and East labs was helpful my

team and ro and East labs was helpful my CEO Dino my CEO said to me if you don't

CEO Dino my CEO said to me if you don't go back into the world you know best

go back into the world you know best that being body buddy I'm gonna fire you

that being body buddy I'm gonna fire you anyhow I know he was joking I came back

anyhow I know he was joking I came back after my first visit to Hungary for two

after my first visit to Hungary for two months in Austria and you in the UK and

months in Austria and you in the UK and I came back to the office and I said

I came back to the office and I said Dino I want to maintain I have to

Dino I want to maintain I have to maintain global mobility I have the

maintain global mobility I have the opportunity to travel again all over the

opportunity to travel again all over the place and to go different countries and

place and to go different countries and be involved with bodybuilding and I have

be involved with bodybuilding and I have to I have to go I have to resign because

to I have to go I have to resign because I know I expected you to say this okay

I know I expected you to say this okay and so I had to leave the office pack my

and so I had to leave the office pack my stuff up and leave and it was it was

stuff up and leave and it was it was like wow that leavin the gym gone I

like wow that leavin the gym gone I never come back and that'sthat's what I

never come back and that'sthat's what I put in to what I do I don't just get a

put in to what I do I don't just get a job I don't just squat for reps and all

job I don't just squat for reps and all I could do 10 they have 50 in me by god

I could do 10 they have 50 in me by god I'm gonna do 50 okay you know I'm

I'm gonna do 50 okay you know I'm talking about I'm not talented it was

talking about I'm not talented it was life and death either you live or you

life and death either you live or you die which one do you want Tom that was

die which one do you want Tom that was the decision in the corporate life and

the decision in the corporate life and in the gym but if you want something bad

in the gym but if you want something bad enough if you want something bad enough

enough if you want something bad enough you can't let anybody tell you you can't

you can't let anybody tell you you can't do something I'll repeat that if you

do something I'll repeat that if you want something bad enough you can't let

want something bad enough you can't let anybody tell you can't do something

anybody tell you can't do something not even yourself a lot of days I'm like

not even yourself a lot of days I'm like oh you can't do this Tom you can't be as

oh you can't do this Tom you can't be as quick as a 30 year old on the computer

quick as a 30 year old on the computer

let me show you a lien I would have arguments with myself I could do it

arguments with myself I could do it people doubted me I doubted myself

people doubted me I doubted myself sometimes do you know what

sometimes do you know what I watched Arnold falled

I watched Arnold falled nobody remembers when he fell down when

nobody remembers when he fell down when he was you know Arnold wasn't the

he was you know Arnold wasn't the glorified winner as he was in the first

glorified winner as he was in the first 73 75 he got up and I make him a famous

73 75 he got up and I make him a famous film star he became governor he kept

film star he became governor he kept getting up getting up

getting up getting up I saw Trump do the same thing I saw a

I saw Trump do the same thing I saw a lot of these guys I admired in business

lot of these guys I admired in business do it and that's what it takes to do

do it and that's what it takes to do anything successfully in life you've got

anything successfully in life you've got to want it as bad as you want to breathe

to want it as bad as you want to breathe and if you want it that bad if you're

and if you want it that bad if you're willing to give it that much you get a

willing to give it that much you get a big piece of what you want in life and

big piece of what you want in life and dreams do come true

dreams do come true anything you want can happen and become

anything you want can happen and become a reality

a reality I believe that sincerely and I'll die on

I believe that sincerely and I'll die on that thought okay and I say that nothing

that thought okay and I say that nothing something I read as from something I

something I read as from something I lived okay and that's my story and I'm

lived okay and that's my story and I'm sticking to it

sticking to it sure

sure I didn't go to the gym 15 years I didn't go to the gym at all I started

didn't go to the gym at all I started running self was missing something was

running self was missing something was missing my left big time I knew it I

missing my left big time I knew it I started running and that was you know I

started running and that was you know I had to learn how to run I had to follow

had to learn how to run I had to follow people taught me how to run and I could

people taught me how to run and I could run 5k ran a marathon once you know it's

run 5k ran a marathon once you know it's I never do it again

I never do it again okay I wasn't built for that I really

okay I wasn't built for that I really wasn't I could get better and better and

wasn't I could get better and better and better at it but I wasn't a runner

better at it but I wasn't a runner I wasn't that kind of a muscle fiber

I wasn't that kind of a muscle fiber type but I could do it I could finish

type but I could do it I could finish the races I can get better and better

the races I can get better and better and better at running

you know it was a trying time but I knew something was missing I tried to replace

something was missing I tried to replace it with certain things eventually I

it with certain things eventually I started golden gym once a week on

started golden gym once a week on weekends I went to the gym and some

weekends I went to the gym and some young guys young one guy was 20 years

young guys young one guy was 20 years old I I focused on working with him and

old I I focused on working with him and his buddy who's 19 I work with them

his buddy who's 19 I work with them every weekend we every other weekend we

every weekend we every other weekend we squatted they were young guys they

squatted they were young guys they started getting stronger stronger

started getting stronger stronger stronger I start getting stronger

stronger I start getting stronger stronger Mike I'm revisiting the old

stronger Mike I'm revisiting the old days in my mind okay

days in my mind okay no old my old bar I brought out of my

no old my old bar I brought out of my garage put it in the car

garage put it in the car brought it to the gym he'll hold bent

brought it to the gym he'll hold bent bar you know with tape on it and chalk

bar you know with tape on it and chalk and blood from the old days let's let me

and blood from the old days let's let me show you what I used to do okay the

show you what I used to do okay the flexibility was still there I don't

flexibility was still there I don't retrain myself to do it but it was fun

retrain myself to do it but it was fun it was exciting the gym that was

it was exciting the gym that was exciting to me in fact I've been going

exciting to me in fact I've been going to the gym during that time going and

to the gym during that time going and Arnold was coming to the gym I said

Arnold was coming to the gym I said Arnold I think it's more fun now than it

Arnold I think it's more fun now than it used to be yeah but everything hurts and

used to be yeah but everything hurts and stuff like that but it was just the

stuff like that but it was just the answers came to me the more I looked and

answers came to me the more I looked and opened up my mind it goes I had no

opened up my mind it goes I had no choice it wasn't really a matter of

choice it wasn't really a matter of staying in corporate life or coming back

staying in corporate life or coming back was just this is what I'm supposed to do

was just this is what I'm supposed to do your career chooses you your career

your career chooses you your career chooses you you don't choose it there's

chooses you you don't choose it there's a reason you're all in fitness okay

a reason you're all in fitness okay there was a reason you were led to this

there was a reason you were led to this just the same way I was led to Gold's

just the same way I was led to Gold's Gym Venice Beach is an anointed zombie

Gym Venice Beach is an anointed zombie all of us were it wasn't about the money

all of us were it wasn't about the money it was about training together in one

it was about training together in one gym 15 people training together in a

gym 15 people training together in a 5,000 square foot gym that was the

5,000 square foot gym that was the fitness industry back in 1975 okay and

fitness industry back in 1975 okay and so you're here not by choice you're led

so you're here not by choice you're led to this and I believe we all have a

to this and I believe we all have a destiny we're all supposed to do

destiny we're all supposed to do something in our lives but all of you

something in our lives but all of you are good at something I know you are

are good at something I know you are okay yes I can see the smile is let's

okay yes I can see the smile is let's move yeah for sure

move yeah for sure this

this expect big things think big think big

expect big things think big think big you could do it you can do it why do I

you could do it you can do it why do I can't do it take a little bit of piece

can't do it take a little bit of piece at a time have daily goals monthly goals

at a time have daily goals monthly goals but you can make it happen

but you can make it happen it can't happen what's impossible in

it can't happen what's impossible in your life go after that have that go

your life go after that have that go after what's impossible you got to have

after what's impossible you got to have something impossible in your life

something impossible in your life hate to think it was a blonde girlfriend

hate to think it was a blonde girlfriend she's impossible I could never have her

she's impossible I could never have her okay Arnold I did it okay what's next

okay Arnold I did it okay what's next okay

okay goals were important passion is

goals were important passion is important waking up in the morning and

important waking up in the morning and having an excitement about the day is

having an excitement about the day is important that's what I learned through

important that's what I learned through those times I never had to get a job I

those times I never had to get a job I was all of a sudden I won the mr.

was all of a sudden I won the mr. universe and ban like Zhang told me I

universe and ban like Zhang told me I had a job for 25 years making big money

had a job for 25 years making big money stupid money I what I did in my 30s

stupid money I what I did in my 30s close to 40 or in my 40s is what most

close to 40 or in my 40s is what most guys girls doing their 20s but I didn't

guys girls doing their 20s but I didn't want to go to Arnold's off and say give

want to go to Arnold's off and say give me a job and I wanted to go what's it

me a job and I wanted to go what's it really like to be a regular working guy

really like to be a regular working guy interviewing for a job not having

interviewing for a job not having somebody know my background what's it

somebody know my background what's it like in the same attitude in the gym as

like in the same attitude in the gym as I mentioned here two hours ago when I

I mentioned here two hours ago when I first started the seminar worked in the

first started the seminar worked in the office same energy the same attitude

office same energy the same attitude attitude monitors talent attitude will

attitude monitors talent attitude will take you further than any talent or

take you further than any talent or genetics you have okay attitude is

genetics you have okay attitude is everything that's the one thing that I

everything that's the one thing that I know I don't know a lot that's what I

know I don't know a lot that's what I know okay any other questions I hope I

know okay any other questions I hope I answer the question okay sir

we have studios yeah yeah I remember I was training and

yeah yeah I remember I was training and I was training for the 81-82 mr. Olympia

I was training for the 81-82 mr. Olympia the 82 mr. Olympia in London now was

the 82 mr. Olympia in London now was mine okay it was two weeks to go I'm

mine okay it was two weeks to go I'm doing flies and whoa what's that feeling

doing flies and whoa what's that feeling you know sometimes in the gym we have

you know sometimes in the gym we have funny feelings my bicep tore off the

funny feelings my bicep tore off the bone the attachment site they tore right

bone the attachment site they tore right off so went to the doctor right away

off so went to the doctor right away he said completely torn you can't train

he said completely torn you can't train for the Olympia yeah I don't want that I

for the Olympia yeah I don't want that I can't take I can't handle that answer I

can't take I can't handle that answer I went to the next doctor looking for a

went to the next doctor looking for a different answer I said okay what

different answer I said okay what happened he goes completely torn off the

happened he goes completely torn off the bone he goes if you think you can train

bone he goes if you think you can train for the Olympia go ahead like wow I

for the Olympia go ahead like wow I thought I need to hear it's all I needed

thought I need to hear it's all I needed to hear I can still train for the limb

to hear I can still train for the limb for two weeks to go I can't use my bicep

for two weeks to go I can't use my bicep at all so I called Mike men sir I said

at all so I called Mike men sir I said Mike show me how to use these stupid

Mike show me how to use these stupid nautilus machines we don't have to use

nautilus machines we don't have to use your biceps you can sort of you know do

your biceps you can sort of you know do pullovers like this without your biceps

pullovers like this without your biceps Mike was kind of set down with me in the

Mike was kind of set down with me in the gym he goes even showed me everything I

gym he goes even showed me everything I could do in the gym without using my

could do in the gym without using my biceps but went to the 82 Olympian

biceps but went to the 82 Olympian London it's starting to roll up I could

London it's starting to roll up I could hide it perfectly nobody knew what

hide it perfectly nobody knew what happened but I I made the mistake of

happened but I I made the mistake of telling somebody

telling somebody I told Arnold and Arnold told the judge

I told Arnold and Arnold told the judge and this judge told that judge so when I

and this judge told that judge so when I went onstage

went onstage Tom can you walk forward please can you

Tom can you walk forward please can you show me your left bicep oh my god okay

show me your left bicep oh my god okay it's over I can't hide it okay so I

it's over I can't hide it okay so I decided to guess pose it the next few

decided to guess pose it the next few pro shows one was in Sweden those leg

pro shows one was in Sweden those leg shots you see or the actually taking in

shots you see or the actually taking in its wits whedon okay but I had some

its wits whedon okay but I had some great influence during my career I

great influence during my career I really have okay and I used that down-

really have okay and I used that down- time he had magazines this morning we

time he had magazines this morning we had breakfast together Franko get

had breakfast together Franko get magazines from the oh I forgot about

magazines from the oh I forgot about this I was in the hospital was a big

this I was in the hospital was a big cast on can he make it back panic I used

cast on can he make it back panic I used the rocky theme I used all my problems

the rocky theme I used all my problems in the magazines

in the magazines and created the whole can he come back

and created the whole can he come back to train again can he do it you know and

to train again can he do it you know and still a photographer has come to weeders

still a photographer has come to weeders photographers take came to the hospital

photographers take came to the hospital took pictures of me in the wheelchair

took pictures of me in the wheelchair and all that stuff that worked for

and all that stuff that worked for Arnold that when he does knee issue his

Arnold that when he does knee issue his knee problem back in South Africa okay

knee problem back in South Africa okay but my mentors were always Arnold

but my mentors were always Arnold obviously Arnold was extremely

obviously Arnold was extremely influential to me and Dave Draper I

influential to me and Dave Draper I don't know if maybe a lot of you don't

don't know if maybe a lot of you don't know Dave Draper Dave Draper was the

know Dave Draper Dave Draper was the blonde guy Dave Draper who did TV he did

blonde guy Dave Draper who did TV he did a lot of the movies with Tony Curtis and

a lot of the movies with Tony Curtis and back in the 60s

back in the 60s Dave Draper was the Arnold before Arnold

Dave Draper was the Arnold before Arnold okay but Dave was embarrassed to be a

okay but Dave was embarrassed to be a bodybuilder Dave didn't like being so

bodybuilder Dave didn't like being so popular Dave had a Holley was being

popular Dave had a Holley was being going out with Sharon Tate was his

going out with Sharon Tate was his girlfriend he was touring the world as

girlfriend he was touring the world as an a film actor he decided he didn't

an a film actor he decided he didn't like being famous he went to the Santa

like being famous he went to the Santa Cruz Mountains in California and became

Cruz Mountains in California and became a hermit oh I can't do that

a hermit oh I can't do that Arnold's The Terminator in real life you

Arnold's The Terminator in real life you know and he could in life he's the

know and he could in life he's the Terminator I'm like I can't do that

Terminator I'm like I can't do that either somewhere in the middle so those

either somewhere in the middle so those two guys influenced my career

two guys influenced my career dramatically

dramatically that's really really all my teachers I'm

that's really really all my teachers I'm a product of when I watched Robby going

a product of when I watched Robby going from exercise to exercise he was like an

from exercise to exercise he was like an animal in the gym like what style would

animal in the gym like what style would class the way he moves I'm a stocky jock

class the way he moves I'm a stocky jock from back east

from back east the way that Zayn moved Zayn would do

the way that Zayn moved Zayn would do sit-ups Zhang would do one set of

sit-ups Zhang would do one set of sit-ups for an hour without stopping

sit-ups for an hour without stopping with his sunglasses on I'm like my god

with his sunglasses on I'm like my god what planet is he from I'm like a god

what planet is he from I'm like a god it's unbelievable this gym okay

it's unbelievable this gym okay poppy I was like so I'm really I'm

poppy I was like so I'm really I'm really the product of Arnold and Draper

really the product of Arnold and Draper I'm a product of friggin Oh Serge knew

I'm a product of friggin Oh Serge knew Bray Robbie a little bit of Ed corny all

Bray Robbie a little bit of Ed corny all the guys that took me under their wings

the guys that took me under their wings and said let me show you the way kid

and said let me show you the way kid okay

I can remember surgeon who braised skin in 1978 surgeon who braised in the

in 1978 surgeon who braised in the gelatin

gelatin look at the skin on this guy look like

look at the skin on this guy look like look like saran wrap for skin beautiful

look like saran wrap for skin beautiful skin like how do you do that and then

skin like how do you do that and then pretty soon the girls taught me how to

pretty soon the girls taught me how to pose you know I'm Oh what do you mean I

pose you know I'm Oh what do you mean I do what do I do with the hair take you

do what do I do with the hair take you teach me what are you talking about I

teach me what are you talking about I like the thing you do with your hair

like the thing you do with your hair that wasn't a poser so really I'm the

that wasn't a poser so really I'm the sum of a lot of people okay and I'm

sum of a lot of people okay and I'm standing on their shoulders so when I

standing on their shoulders so when I talk to you you know I'm not all that I

talk to you you know I'm not all that I had some great teachers some wonderful

had some great teachers some wonderful teachers that I thank God were in my

teachers that I thank God were in my life having said that I think that's

life having said that I think that's really long enough it's about two and a

really long enough it's about two and a half hours thank you all so much well

half hours thank you all so much well thank you all so much we're gonna stop

thank you all so much we're gonna stop well it's a little break and we have

well it's a little break and we have some pictures and stuff like that and

some pictures and stuff like that and some individual discussion but thank you

some individual discussion but thank you all very much for being here and for

all very much for being here and for giving me your attention and provocated

giving me your attention and provocated those ideas and thoughts I told you I'd

those ideas and thoughts I told you I'd tell you what was really on my mind and

tell you what was really on my mind and I always like to do that but anyhow

I always like to do that but anyhow thank you all very much for your energy

thank you all very much for your energy with your energy I gotta tell you

with your energy I gotta tell you without your energy all those years I

without your energy all those years I never could have done it I just wanna be

never could have done it I just wanna be able to give it back to you and say

able to give it back to you and say thank you very much thank you

thank you very much thank you [Applause]

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