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The core theme of this discussion is the ongoing effort to achieve disclosure regarding UFOs/UAPs, highlighting the challenges posed by disinformation, governmental secrecy, and the need for genuine, firsthand evidence and witness testimony to overcome these obstacles.

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All right, here we go. Dr. Steven Greer,

welcome back. Famed researcher and

retired emergency medical doctor who now

heads a disclosure project and focuses

on ending the secrecy around UFOs and

UAPs. Welcome back to Vlad TV. Thank

you. Great to be here with you. This is

actually the first time we're face to

face. I know. It's great. I've been

wanting to meet you for a long time. Oh

yeah. Know the last time we did it

remotely, but I had to get in the same

room with you. Yes. Here we are. I'm

glad I'm glad you could come, too. Well,

a lot has happened since last time. Oh,

boy. So, Trump created a new task force

that's focused on declassifying federal

secrets, including UFOs. And

Representative Anna Luna is heading up

this task force, right? Um, have they

released anything so far?

Uh, no. And I'm not sure that Trump

created that. That's been organized

under the House Oversight Committee.

Now, President Trump is wanting to

declassify a number of documents uh and

information and

there's everything is still under review

from the White House point of view. The

House Oversight Committee because I

personally have met with uh Miss Luna

and and Burchett and and had

conversations with Representative

Moscowitz and others. Um they're have a

task force that has a number of

objectives. is not only UAP's other

issues. Uh I think the big problem I've

seen in dealing with them for the last

two or three years or so is that there's

not a select committee with subpoena

power which they have to get and been

blocked by some of the bad actors in the

Congress. And number two, they h don't

have the funding for a specialized

staff. So you need a staff of people who

can become expert in this area. And if

not, you're not going to be able to know

anything. So my experience there is that

we'll go in with briefing materials

that's dispositive evidence and proof

and firsthand witnesses. Other people

who are professional military and

intelligence, disinformation operatives

go in and then gaslight them in another

direction. So they you for the most part

these people in Congress mean well but

they don't know where the washroom is.

They don't even know where the landscape

is put out. So and I don't see that

changing. I know three years ago when I

was brought into the Senate Intelligence

Committee skiff the secure compartmented

information facility where you do

exchange sensitive and topsecret

information. Those guys who were at the

top of Senate Intelligence and Armed

Services investigating this hadn't

gotten in not gotten anywhere. But the

lead guy was told, "You can spend 10 or

20% of your time on this." But his

portfolio was oversight of CIA, NSA,

National Reconnaissance Office that runs

all the secret spy satellites. I mean,

come on. You know, you need a staff 20,

30 people who drill down on all these

the evidence and get to the bottom of

it. So it's it's not muscled up to the

extent it has to be. So what I say is

that there they have two pathways here.

They either get it done right or at

least they open up their inquiry to

firthand whistleblowers like Mr. Barber

and not bring in people who are second,

third and fourth hand don't know

anything. Right? So the hearing they had

last a few months ago in the house,

there was no one there who knew anything

about the subject. They were all

secondhand, third-hand speculative

um people who had been with NASA but

didn't know anything. I I know knew a

number of them and I'm going why are

these people testifying? You know, you

want someone who's actually handled the

craft, handled the bodies, been

operational on a retrieval team. Um or

even like Mr. Herrera who came across

this thing and almost lost his life by

these thugs who said, "Look, you know,

you know, we're mention this, you're

dead." So now those are the people who

need to be sworn

in under oath. Uh now the reason I say

we have to have subpoena power is

that if it's in the congress they can't

force someone to come in right without a

subpoena. They can invite people but the

really high value targets that I have on

my list they got to be subpoenaed. And

then if they lie under oath to Congress,

they got a problem. Now, the other

pathway, which I think is more viable,

would require executive orders from the

president, and that would be under the

executive branch in law enforcement. And

law enforcement can compel without a

subpoena. You know, if you're brought in

by a federal agent and and asked about

something and you lie, it's a felony,

point blank. So the the the more

efficient way to do this in my opinion

would be that the House and the Senate

to investigate this refer it to DOJ

because it's criminal activity. We can

prove that and then

DOJ assigns to whatever

divisions people to go out and in do a

proper investigation and pull people in

and interrogate them and if necessary uh

get warrants. no knock warrants to move

into corporate locations and secret

facilities that that I have locations

for and they retrieve the evidence and

proof. So that is something that could

happen tonight if if we could get

executive orders from the president to

do it. So that's what we're

recommending. There are five executive

orders we've given to them and we'll see

what happens in the next, you know, few

weeks. Well, Cash Patel, the new FBI

director. Yeah. He's been vocal about

exposing UFO secrets and so forth.

What's your take on this? Yes, he has.

But he's been gaslit by Lou Alzando and

other people that are professional

disinformation operatives. So, here's

where you get into a big problem.

Um when you have people who are very

well trained to tell part information

and part

misinformation or disinformation and

you're not someone who's an expert in

the area, it's so easy to gaslight them

in the wrong way. for example,

consistently the sort of the nexus of

folks doing that uh Lou Alzando and

Chris Melon and you know people like Jim

Semiban and others they'll say well

they're a threat. We're trying to imply

the aliens are some kind of threat.

Well, they want people to believe that

they can get more money for the

military-industrial complex. It's a

hoax. But the other thing they'll say is

we don't have anything that flies like

that. Oh, really? Yeah, we do. And we

have had since the 50s, literally since

the 50s. So then you ask the question,

if you put some real

information, you know, this is why I

call it the poison pill. So on the

outside of this poison pill of

disinformation is the sweet truth of

some facts and evidence, but inside the

messaging, the narrative is a

total disinformation narrative designed

to move them off the path of finding

what the real truth is. Now I will tell

you the bigger secret here is not about

extraterrestrials. It's about the fact

that there's a covert illegal operation,

unconstitutional, that have technologies

that can, as I'm quoting Admiral Wilson,

the head of intelligence joint staff

that I briefed, can do circles around

our B2 stealth bomber, circles around

it. So, and those are human. So, that is

a threat to the US Constitution because

of how they're operating, but it's also

a a strategic threat. And those assets

are operating all over the world. We

know they're in China, they're in

Russia, they're in the Middle East.

They've been one was downed in Iran that

we had to retrieve. We have this from a

ring beret source who's read into that

operation. So, you know, what I tell

people is that that's the part of they

don't want the president in Congress and

the American people to know because

that's the that is the lynch pin in

being able to hoax an alien invasion or

hoax an alien threat, right? And that is

the 70-year plan. We're getting to the

very end, the crescendo of a plan that

was concocted by a bunch of psychopaths

and sociopaths in

1953-54 to eventually, as Verer von

Brown, who invented the rock of Adolf

Hitler said, create an alien threat to

unite the world around sort of a dystopic

dystopic

uh totalitarian

militaristic situation. And we're right

there, Vlad. We are right at that

happening. And so what's really worries

me and keeps me up at night, I'll be

very blunt, is that I don't see yet the

bandwidth in Congress or in the White

House yet to comprehend the vastness of

this problem and how to discern the

information from the

disinformation. And in order to do that,

they're going to have to pull in

people like Mr. Barber and and Don Paul

and these people. I know them who have

handled both ends of this. they've

handled the man-made and they've handled

the ones that are uh you know non-human

and so they and that has to be unpacked.

Instead, they're listening to people and

saying, "Oh, well, don't look behind

this curtain, right?" So, I liken this

organization keeping the secret to the

Wizard of Oz, you know, and it's this

old crud mud and back there pulling

levers scaling the hell out of Darthy

and scaring the scarecrow and all that.

And and and they're very good at what

they're doing. And because there's not a

professional staffing right now looking

at this either in the White House or

Congress, they're susceptible to that.

And and it's it's you know, a little

I've said to people very high up in

Congress and the

administration, a little knowledge on

this is a very dangerous thing.

Extremely dangerous. You don't want

dilotants in there. I mean, this whole

concept of creating a fake alien

invasion to take control of the world

has been it's been floating around.

There's something called Project Blue

Beam. Sure. Uh and more recently, I

remember there was a comic book I read

that later on became a movie and a

series called The Watchmen. Mhm. where

in essentially the the premise of the

comic book was that you know an alter

you know reality America and Russia are

about to launch nuclear missiles at each

other and one of these guys you know um

Aussie Mandias basically drops a fake

alien in the middle of time square that

kills thousands of people and suddenly

everyone unites and America and Russia

are best friends well the best theme for

that was Independence Day the movie that

that's the one that was really the

hallmark and that was right out of CIA

SCOP, psychological warfare scripting,

because it was like the whole world uh

united around fighting the alien threat. Now,

Now,

obviously, you know, it's a sexy movie

line. You know, it works in Hollywood

here. You know, we're, you know, you can

be as dumb as you want to be and make

them $2 billion movie, right? But don't

quote me on that. Let me take that out.

But, um, true. But the

but you know it's like that that comic

Ken Kenworthy or whatever I can't fix

stupid. But

um so but we have a situation where that

narrative has already

happened. Here's the litmus test for

this. When I was first starting to do

this uh in my spare time as a emergency

doctor, it came out that I was in

involved with I think it was I'd been on

Larry King Live back in '94 or something

like that. And my kid, my youngest daughter's

daughter's

uh school teacher wanted me to give a

talk. And these are first graders in

North Carolina in Asheville, North

Carolina. And they wanted to have a, you

know, have me come in and present on

this. Now, you have to remember this was

my daughter was 6 years old. She's 36

now. So, it's 30 years

ago. And the first question out of the

mouth of a babe was, "Yeah, but Dr.

Greer, aren't you afraid that if you go

out, you'll be abducted by the aliens?

Now, this is a first grader in North

Carolina 30 years ago. And at that

point, I went boom, scops have reached

saturation. That between movies and uh

entertainment and the ufology,

mythology, everyone thinks that's going

on when it's a CIA scop. All right. I

knew that in the early 90s. I didn't

know it until probably 92, 93. And then

I had men who were operational who had

been on man-made UFOs using strange

robotic grays and other creatures to

abduct people for the psychological

warfare value, but also to cover up some

real events. So sometimes there would be

an actual ET event or an experimental

aircraft of ours that looked like a UFO

and people would have seen it and what

they would do is create this fake alien

abduction. Same thing with the cattle

mutilations. That's what those are. Mhm.

And we've known this for a long time

now. That's not the conventional wisdom.

It's certainly not what someone like Lou

Alzando and those folks would go in and

say. They say, "Oh no, that's what the

aliens are doing." And they know damn

good and well it's it's all a scop. I

think the biggest news in this world was

the Jay Barber interview. Oh yes. I've

been working with Mr. Barber for a

couple of years and knew about his uh

operations. Very little of what he did

and knows has come out yet. Um very very

little but that's for reasons we can get

into. Okay. So Jake Barber is a Air

Force vet. And a lot of the the focus on

the story was this egg-shaped craft.

Mhm. That he actually came in contact

with. This is not someone that was

investigating things and so forth. This

was actually a first person encounter

with some sort of craft. No, he was on

the retrieval teams officially. Okay.

Out of u Delta Force. And th that team I

I I'll let him say where they operate

from. I've been there. They are a a team

that are uh contracted to uh participate

in operations to down and retrieve

extraterrestrial vehicles or NHI craft.

So that is what he and his team did. uh

he was in charge of security and

transport for those special operations.

Uh out at a couple of black sites out in

the desert and uh I've been to these

sites and uh so I can speak to, you

know, more detail about that, but that

is actually what he did. It was not an

incidental encounter. He he's was

operational for about 20 years at a

couple of these sites that where that's

going on. And you know, we've been I've

known of those sites since the early

90s, since before he arrived. And so his operations

operations

uh go back quite some time there. So

he's he became fairly senior uh over the

years. And and he went from being in the

military to then working being set up in

a corporate entity that contracted um

and would sort of worked with government

and aerospace companies to acquire those

craft and then get them downed and then

retrieve them so they could be handed

over to be studied uh or reverse

engineered. So it's a it's a very long

and complex story only part of which is

going to come out uh you know

immediately. We plan the rest of this

year next year it'll all come out. So

this particular

egg spaceship I guess is this

extraterrestrial? Yes. Or or is it

reverse engineered? No, that one was a

ET origin. So um the you know

interestingly he he and I talk about

this at some length right now unless

you're very expert in this area. You're

not going to be able to distinguish

between a nonhuman one and a reverse

engineered one from Lockheed or Northrup

unless you know what to look for. And

even then the the science of of studying

those technologies and aircraft from

other places that has been going on for

80 years literally 80 years. So 45 to

now. So there's been this you know it

started out like this very slow and then

it boom broke out back around the mid to

late 50s forward. there was a huge

breakout in in how those technologies

operate and uh people are shocked when I

tell them you know I have a intel source

who is the top scientist at the naval

research labs in Washington it's the

largest department of defense lab he was

in the vault it was it's called where a

lot of classified things are kept on

this subject and he saw that it was uh

October 19 54 that we mastered gravity

control so now imagine you've mastered

gravity control. We were fooling around

with it prior to, but you mastered it by

then. Now 54 to now 70 years. So imagine

a 70-year technology curve with the

brightest minds, scientific minds in the

world recruited high school, college

into those programs. Um, and virtually

unlimited black budget funding, right?

Trillions of dollars. So that what is

being flown out there would deceive the

president Senate intelligence committee

and this is a problem. So he had he and

I have talked about this. So so Jake

Barber and I have had these long

discussions where even for people expert

people like his team often it's very

hard to distinguish between one and the

other. But this particular object uh is

an egg-shaped object. Um those have been

reported for a very long time. Now, do

we have knockoffs that look similar?

Yes. So, any any shape that you would

see that was non-human, we've sort of

done a copycat. And that's for false

flag operations. So, you know, the

public won't know. Is it real? It's like

the old uh years ago when there used to

be audio tape. Is it real or is it

Memorex? Remember that commercial? Yeah.

Is it real or is it Memorex? Is it is it

is it a an original that's non-human

extraterrestrial or is it something that

has been uh a faximile uh that's been

reproduced and and would pretty much

fool anyone who's not quite expert in

the area and and I think in the last 30

years since I've been doing this the the

refinement of that technology at almost

where if you look at uh Michael

Herrera's testimony the marine who

encountered one of these man-made ones in

Indonesia. Uh it was so advanced, but

then there's you could tell if you got

close to it, it had seams and parts. It

was man-made. It's a Lockheed

platform. Ones that you see that are

triangular, there are ones that are

extraterrestrial that are triangular.

Most of the ones people see are are my

uncle's old company, Northrup Grumman,

or um the uh Rathon platforms that are

triangular. Uh typically the Rathon ones

are a little less equilateral. They're a

little more uh elongated. Um and those

if you look at Steven Dign's testimony,

it's up on our site. And we actually

have it in our new book that just came

out. I'm going to show you in a minute.

Uh that was at a level where it was

almost had an a living component. So we

went up and touched it. It kind of

purred, reacted. If you look at his

testimony, he was out here in California

at at uh Fort Irwin in 2000 and that was

a Rathon device. And I would say out of

a million people, all million people

would think that was extraterrestrial

and it wasn't. He subsequently he and

his wife were abducted into it and

tortured. But um you know this the other

part of this whole story that no one

gets. I mean you know the ufology you

all the abductions and mutilations. I

say, "Yeah, I've debriefed about two

dozen guys who've been operational in

those programs doing that." So, you

know, I'm sorry if you're gullible, but

wake the [ __ ] up. Excuse my language,

but uh that they that ain't happening by

the ETSs. Um, so most of the information

on this is actually part information

spun in with

disinformation. And this is one of the

real problems. And the reason I think

it's important to bring this up is that

when you're on these retrieval teams

like Jake was on, some of them are at a

high enough level, they're only retrieving

retrieving

uh uh you know, weird things like if

you're if you're on a retrieval team and

you have a B2 stealth go down, okay,

that is one level of clearance, but it's

another world when you start retrieving

the man-made UFOs and the ET things and

so you get cleared slowly into that

level. And I have a number of folks that

we're working with who uh had that same

trajectory. They started out very young

retrieving, you know, a crashed jet, air

force jet or something that had

classified components on it. They all

do, sensors and things like that. Be

sure they don't fall into enemy hands.

But then certain people then get cleared

into this other level of exotics or

what's euphemistically called at

advanced technologies. Um but uh but

super advanced exotic technologies.

Well, Jake Barber said that he could

actually summon this egg ship with his mind.

mind.

Yeah, it's not quite that simple. Um

it's you know as you know in 1990 I

started um the whole C5 contact

initiative using

consciousness interfacing with

extraterrestrial sensors. So what people

don't realize and they don't think about

it is that you're not going to be able

to communicate with a radio frequency

like your phone across the vastness of

space because it would at the speed of

light which is the speed of a radio

frequency to communicate to the

Andromeda galaxy which is 2 and a half

million lighty years from here. It'd

take you two and a half million years to

get that signal there and another 2 and

a half million years for the person to

answer your call. Right? Not going to

happen. So when you're dealing with this

is where you get into strange stuff,

right? And the CIA people call it WSFM.

Stands for weird science and freaking

magic. That's literally what they call

it. And my uncle's old company, I met an

engineer, worked on this weird stuff,

and he, oh, we just call it PFM, pure

[ __ ] magic. Excuse my language, but I

mean, that's what they call it. And the

really high-end engineers in aerospace.

So um those technologies are the heart

of the one of the central things of the

secrecy because I accidentally stumbled

across that when I was 18 when I had a

contact experience and uh realized that

those communication systems and those

civilizations are interfacing with not

just random thought and consciousness

but in a state of more expanded

awareness and coherent thought like very

like a laser like your thoughts are boom.

boom.

They pick up on that at the speed of

thought which is

instantaneous because the conscious

field is actually omnipresent. It's the

ultimate quantum entangled field meaning

that every point in space and time is

integrated into it and there's no

latency in time instant. So you're

saying thought is faster than light. Oh

yeah, it's instantaneous. Got it. And

what is a quant of thought? Can that be

quantified? Yes, it has been and it is.

So the covert programs mirrored what we

were doing for peaceful contact into a

program they call P3 psionic

um operators where they would find

people and put them through a program

training them so that they could become

basically biological machines and it was

brutal. Most of them died ended up in

comas. Uh but the ones that survived

became adept at being able to do that

but in for a hostile reason. They

weren't doing it. The C5 contact I mean

people anyone can do it. You can get the

app C5 contact app is on all the stores.

You can learn to do this and it's for

making peaceful contact. The aerospace

industry and intelligence community said

wow let's take this and turn it into a

weapon system. So what they did was

train people to do that with pretty good

reliability, lock on to an

extraterrestrial, say guidance system,

kind of slip in there, move it into

range and hit it with an electromagnetic

pulse weapon, knock it out of the sky,

opposite of what our purpose is. My

purpose is to make peaceful contact and

stop all that fighting. But the uh

intelligence community, you know,

realized this a long time ago. I

understand in the 50s uh they realized

that the technologies related to

extraterrestrial craft and occupants

were very much tied into

uh that field of consciousness. So, one

of the problems that you we're having

with science right now is that

everyone's sort of stuck in the flat

earth society, you know, because no

one's caught up to the 50s yet,

classified technologies. And so, when he

brought this out, people went, gosh,

well, that's what Dr. V had been saying

for 35 years. And uh but I knew it was

operational. I mean, remember, there are

a lot of people on my team who are

uh they're they're they're former CIA

remote view folks, and you know, there's

a 30-year program where the CIA used

people like Ingo Swan, who's passed

away, who great guy, who would use

consciousness to spy on the Soviet Union

or image something out in space, and

they were actually incredibly accurate.

Uh so I think that's one of the things

when you go from an understanding of the

science of consciousness into applied

physics let's call it um with

communication but also targeting these

objects. That's the really spooky end of

it that it's very upsetting when people

unpack the fact that it's not science

fiction and it's real. Well, one of the

things that Jake mentioned is that he

was actually able to control this this

ship with his mind using psionics and he

talked about how it differed based on

the situation. Like there's a whole

fight orflight aspect to how well he

could control it. Do you understand that

part and can you explain it? Well, what

he was referring to, I don't think it

was referring to him being the operator,

but the the ones that are P3 operators.

So, let's get clear on that. number one

and that the P3 operators are put into a

training program. It's rather brutal,

but it does involve drugs, dopamine, uh electromagnetic

electromagnetic

systems. A great many of them end up in

a coma or end up dying. It's very

brutal. But one of the stimulants that

heightens your awareness is is in a a

moment if they can induce a frightened

heightened state, you know, situational

awareness like uh the the whole fight

orflight uh dynamic. Um now certainly in

a meditative state, you don't need that

to get to a higher state. But remember,

this is the mindset of a military

program. Boom, get it done, right? Uh,

so it's hardly the integrative program

of a meditative training like I teach,

but it's like get her done by any means.

And so if some people get killed being

experimental guinea pigs in this, too

bad. It's collateral damage. So he's

talking about how when you're in a

moment where you're in a in a fight

orflight situation, you your all your

senses and your consciousness gets very

focused. Right? So it it has it's an

augmentation process that can be

induced. Uh and of course you know I

don't recommend it. It's a terrible

thing to do to fellow human beings in my

opinion. But that is why um so there are

many pathways to getting into that

ability and there are ones some of which

are very positive and great experience

for everyone and some of which are

brutal which you would expect

a hardcore military program run by

sociopaths that just want to get

something done, right? And and you know,

hey, if there's collateral damage and

people get killed or injured or commit

suicide or whatever, who cares, right?

It's sort of like when the head of army

int the army intelligence guy, General

Stubble, took his boys through uh uh

some training uh programs for

consciousness and being of a remote view

and a huge percentage of them committed

suicide and and started doing drugs and

became alcoholics and had mental

breakdowns because they weren't doing it

in an integrated way where they were

unfolding naturally within. It was a

very technologically oriented oriented

brutal get it done way. So you can get

that result, right? I mean, if the goal

is by any means necessary, get this

done, right? You can do it, but look at

the human cost. So I tell people this is

not wise nor is it humane, but that is

an accurate description what he said of

what they were doing. Um, I have more

information on those programs. Uh, and

we have other people who've been

operators in them. Um and uh you know

it's said there even the way they

recruit and bring the people in you know

this is the part where you know the

whistleblower uh Michael Herrera who saw

that operation in Indonesia it's this

huge 300t diameter

uh octagonal craft and underneath it was

a platform and there were crates and he

initially when we last did our interview

I just was getting ready to do the

national press club event about a year

and a half ago and Michael Herrera

didn't know that in those crates were

humans being trapped mo moved around. He

thought it was drugs or something, but

there were little portable oxygen and

HVAC units on it. And so those people

were people who were um going to either

die or starve to death after that

tsunami in Indonesia in 2009. And they

said, "Hey," they went up. These special

operations guys went up and said, "Look,

you can either stay here and die or you

can come with

us and you'll live for now." And then

they would move them into these

operations and and screen them to be P3

operators. And the P3 operators, psionic

operators, um most of those people

didn't pass the testing. Uh but the ones

who did then went into this more brutal

program. The ones who didn't would work

in stiffs subterranean facilities or

underground bases. Uh you know cooking

and cleaning and doing other things. So

u it's a rather disturbing you know uh

operation from start to finish. Although

once they're there in custody let's say

um they're apparently treated quite

well. But of course, it's like an

indentured servitude in my mind. I mean,

you you know, people can put whatever

lipstick on that pig. To me, it's it's

trafficking in desperate people and and

and then using them for your own

devices. Well, you mentioned uh Lewis

Alzando a few times. So, there was a

second congressional meeting that

happened in I think November of 2024

and Lewis Alzando was one of the four

experts that that spoke on this. What

exactly is your issue with Lewis? I well

I have I don't know him and I have no

animist towards him personally at all. I

just know that the top CIA guy in the

last 40 years uh who's advises usuh

who's very clandestine immediately when

he surfaced said this is the master of

disinformation and these are the things

he's going to be saying that are false.

So what I tell people, I don't have a

problem with anybody, but I have a

problem with someone deliberately

providing false information to

noviceses, people who are just trying to

investigate this with the best of

intentions like Miss Luna and others,

and they are being gaslit and deceived.

That's my problem. But my bigger problem

is that what is the agenda of that

deception? The agenda of the deception

is to get people on the side of a alien

threat to supports the same cabal that's

been keeping the secret, right? And at

the same time present something that

would be much more terrifying than 9/11

or co and try to seize control of of people's

people's

freedoms under

this, you know, sort of ruse of a threat

from outer space.

So long before I got on the stage doing

this, I think that had already been

baked into the cake because they started

abducting people and doing cattle

mutilations in the late 50s and 60s. The

first mutilated animal was a horse named

Snippy. And the doctor who was called in

on that hematologist pathologist from uh

Denver was a very good friend of mine.

And I went out to his home and he says

that was absolutely a covert human

operation. But of course then you get

people who write books like Linda Mutin,

an alien harvest and they're harvesting

body parts. Yeah, they are. But it's not

ETSs. It's a covert human program. So I

think the hardest thing, you know, that

for that I've had to deal with and I was

warned about this in 1991 by an old CIA

hand, a different guy.

He was a character. He was like this

chain smoking looked like the cigarette

man in XFiles and um long hair and and

he said, "Look, the truth about this is

so much stranger than the fiction

ufologists believe and that the public

believe. Um and it's going to be the

hardest thing and it's so strange it

covers itself. So, and if you expose the

truth, you will discredit yourself

because no one wants to hear that truth.

They want to hear the narrative we've

been selling since the 50s. And that's

true. I mean, it so it's a very

frustrating situation. And so my problem

with anyone in this field is that if

they don't know what they're talking

about, they should be quiet. If they do

know what they're talking about and

they're spreading disinformation and

covering up some of the facts of this,

then I have a real problem with them.

And I will call them out. Um, I'd call

out anyone who would go in that

direction, whether it's the president of

the United States or whoever it is,

because you cannot let this happen. If

if this happens, we'd be looking at a

cat catastrophic global situation. Well,

have you spoken to Trump personally

about this? I can't comment on the

people I'm meeting with intimately right

now. I mean, can neither confirm nor

deny it? No, but I'll just say that

there there are really good people

around him, okay, that are uh trying to

find out about this seriously um and

sincerely. And I think there's very

promising to me there are very promising

developments if they can if they can stay

stay

uh on track with getting the information

and not be gaslit by the disinformation.

Because for every person that will go in

and give them the truth of what's going

on, like Mr. Barber or Herrera, there'll

be 10 that are actually counter

intelligence and disinformation people

gaslighting them. And that's the

problem. And and how do you have to

discern? Here's the problem. Very busy

people, right? I'm busy as hell. I go

seven days a week, 20 hours a day at

this point. M but if you're if you're

the president or the chairman of Senate

Intelligence or whatever it is, you've

got hundred things a day you got to deal

with, you have to have some people who

are experts who are trusted who can

drill down on this and unpack it because

it's too it's way more complicated than

anyone realizes. Uh I mean let's let's

take an example of this. I mean how how how

how

uh wacky and complicated it is. Um, you

have one of the most famous UFO cases in

history, Cash

Landram, right? You know that case,

those of you who don't know, it's in

this book that just came out. We'll go

through that in a minute. Mhm. And it

was considered a near crash retrieval

operation in outside Houston, north of

Houston. And there were three people, a

little boy, 5-year-old boy, and his mom

and his aunt, driving along a highway,

and this UFO comes out, descends out of

the sky, very unstable, and all kinds of

stuff coming out of it. And they were

slathered in radioactive waste and they

suffered severe radioactive radiation

poisoning, had to be hospitalized.

Um, and that whole area was was sprayed.

They had to dig up and redo that road

twice because of the amount of

radiation. I still think there's a ton

of it out there. Now, that was in the I

think early 80s, mid 80s, something like

that, 40 years ago. What that actually

was now, of course, the UFO subculture

that aliens radiated the poor little

boy. Well, not so fast. So, we have an

Air Force intelligence guy who is the

principal investigator of that event

that we have debriefed and we have his

testimony. And that was an ET craft that

they were studying. They could not get

the uh energy system to work. So, they

foolishly put on a portable nuclear

power plant on it to get it going. And

it was headed east out of Nevada and was

headed east and it malfunctioned. It had

a filter, some kind of circulatory

filter system that ruptured and started

spewing all this radioactive waste. And

that was and it was there were four

human pilots on it trying to learn how

this thing operated, but it was a

nonhuman craft, yes, but the energy

system and the pilots were humans trying

to figure out how the thing worked. So,

this was one of these things that went

bad. Now, you can imagine Air Force

intelligence and others would love to

have people think, "Oh, well, that was,

you know, the aliens did that to those

poor people." That that's one example of

which there are thousands. So, when they

screw up like that, they're going to be

happy to say, "Oh, the aliens did it."

It's like if somebody farts and there's

a baby in the room, oh, the baby farted,

right? So, sorry to be so crass, but you

know, the fact is that happens all the

time in this subject. So you have to go

to firhand sources like in this case we

have the testimony of the PI the

principal investigator of that event.

Now that takes a lot of work you know if

you're just sort of a hobbyist on this

or you're someone in Congress who has

two hours a week or no two hours a month

to drill down on this you're going to be

in a lot of trouble very quickly

misinterpreting things. So I think we

have to the people have to insist you're

going to do this. It's a big story,

biggest story in human history, frankly

and a huge national security issue. Got

to do it right. You cannot do it

halfway. Now Congress so far doesn't

have the tools to do that. They almost

got them a little over a year ago. And

there was the, you know, the Senate

passed a great bill that would have had

an amnesty safe harbor period for these

whistleblowers we have. And you know I

have 760 plus

whistleblowers. But we went over to the

house for reconciliation. It was part of

the defense funding bill. The national

defense authorization act. It was called

NDAA. It went out of the provisions for

amnesty or safe harbor were unanimously

passed out of Senate Intelligence. And I

actually helped with the folks who were

putting that together quietly behind the

scenes writing it. And so it then went

over to the House, passed the Senate

uni, not unanimously, but overwhelmingly

went to the House and there were some

people who killed it, you know, and

there was, you know, Congressman Turner

of the House Intelligence Committee and

and Mike Rogers of of the uh Armed

Services Committee in the House and some

other people killed that thing, ripped

those provisions out and stripped it of

anything meaningful. So we then

concluded and I told Jake and other

people who are see a lot of the guys

I've been working with are sitting in

the wings waiting for something to

happen that protects them. They need

legal protections because many of them

have been in operations that are

illegal. They need physical protection

because there are wet works or

assassination targeted killings that

have been authorized against people. And

I know he has had someone on his team

killed. I've had people on my team

killed over the years. So until that

happens, you're out here naked. We're

uncovered. Very dangerous. So for people

to expect all this to get dealt with,

but gee, the government doesn't, they

haven't even figured out that there was

lethal force used against high value

whistleblowers until that kind of gets

through the Congress or an executive

order. The president could do this with

a stroke of pen. No question.

Absolutely. president has the power to

authorize full investigation and DOJ to

provide immunity or amnesty transa in

other words they'd have to come clean on

everything right but that's what we're

recommending because there are some very

high value w whistleblowers who've

approached us who who want to do it but

right now there's no we're not

protecting them and these people are

patriotic like Jake and his guys are

very patriotic Well, outside of Lewis

Alzando, other people actually spoke at

this uh second congressional meeting.

Um, one of which was Michael

Shelonburgger. Mhm. Uh, who's an

independent journalist and he claims

that informant gave him a secret 12-page

document that went over Immaculate

Constellation, which is reverse

engineering of UFOs. Mhm. Right. Uh, can

you explain this? Well, that that was

one compartmented code name, right? that

that he had information on. He wasn't

involved in those projects. I would say

what you want to do is go from there to

getting full investigatory powers to

drill down on who was doing the rever.

We know where they are and and what kind

of data ended up getting, you know,

retrieved. So, yes, I mean that's fine,

but again, it wasn't someone who was

directly boots on the ground, uh,

scientists handling the material, uh,

etc. So that's what we would want. And

uh I think the other gentleman, Mr.

Gold, uh just has looked into it just

right casually. Um you had Michael Gold,

a former NASA associate administrator of

space policy and partnership and also a

member of NASA's UAP independent study

team. So he testified as well. Yes. But

he didn't know anything. Okay. I mean

and and I met with him privately and and

you know he admitted that they basically

closed that task force because they

didn't have people that had were staffed

to go out and gather all this

information. So uh what good does that

so why do you know this is the other

thing I said to Bett why do you have

Congressman Bett why do you want people

here who admit they don't have anything

when I have I've told you that there are

all these people who will go up there

today who handle the materials there's

something not right with this picture

I'm I'm calling them out right now and I

haven't done this yet is that get

serious or go home right but somebody

needs to get serious about this because

I think all this is going to come out in

the next year or two. And when it does,

it's got to come out properly. You know,

one person very close to the

intelligence community told me after the

election, he said, "If this comes out

the way it's being directed now, it'll

be a thousand times worse than CO. It'd

be a global

catastrophe." So, there's there's

there's a thousand ways this goes wrong.

there's one way that it can go out come

out correctly and not end up in panic

and you know false wars and and all

kinds of problems. Um and it has to be

very seriously looked at by some people

with the acumen and expertise to know

you know what's the strategic pathway

out of this mess. And I think one of

them is there are a lot of people in

these covert programs really want to

come forward. They do just like there

are a whole bunch of people like that,

but there's not a path for them now yet

that's safe. Well, the other person that

was at this hearing uh was Tim Galudet.

Galaudet Galudet, right? Who was a

retired rear admiral with the US Navy.

Mhm. Now, is this someone who knew what

they were talking about?

My understanding is that he's also sort

of an operative. Okay. Yeah.

uh like like Lou and you know there look

these guys have their slice of here's

what you're supposed to do and say um

and and there too I I think it's much

better if you pull in people who are

more the boots on the ground guys you

know um rather than folks who have a questionable

questionable

agenda and that hasn't happened yet I

have not seen a single person except the

people I will say

this the Senate Armed Services and

intelligence committee have met with

some very excellent serious people that

we have brought in and some other and

some from other sources that they have

privately provided information and then at

least back until about a year ago. We

would then take them over they would

take them over after I handed them off

and and would take them over to the to

the Senate. They would then be taken

over to the uh uh arrow office at the

Pentagon. But of course, that ended up

being a total storefront fraud. Um that

just covered up all their testimony as

you know. Or if you don't, we'll talk

about that. Well, this was the second

congressional meeting. The first one

happened in 2023. And uh David Grush

essentially led the charge in that first

hearing. Um what's your take on David

Grush? Oh, well I think you know he his

first of all I I met with him when he

was undercover and provided information

to his bosses and him on this and that's

how they were able to get to a lot of

the information he found. But again he's

a secondhand witness. He was not a

primary person. Now he got ended up

meeting primaries. Okay. So after there

was enough actionable intelligence of

where who you know where the locations

of these

uh facilities and secret bases and stuff

and he did so but here's a caveat.

He ended up going over and was kind of

intercepted by Lu Alzando. And then he

started telling tall tales about aliens

blowing up villages

uh in South America or Africa and stuff,

things he was not read onto. And and so

here's one of the problems.

the whole

ufology media, that whole environment is

sort of a snake pit or a sand trap where

people just get pulled in. And so what

he's talked about, I know for a fact he

was speaking the truth about that, that

there were these facilities that we have

reverse engineered the craft, all of

that 100% correct. where I have a

problem and this I've talked to my own

whistleblowers about

this. Stay in stay with what you

directly know. Don't start getting stuff

secondhand and then and speaking on it

as if it's something you have firsthand

knowledge of. So I'm very, you know, I'm

a doctor. I'm a scientist. I've been

doing this for 35 years. That's where

you go sideways, right? So So your your

question is a good one, but it doesn't

have a simple answer. The answer is yes.

The core of what he spoke to that he

investigated directly. Correct. Much of

what was said that that was peripheral

that he picked up from the culture,

let's say, of these folks who

intercepted him who are slick

disinformation people who are very well

trained. That is where he got into

trouble. And so, um, now the reason so

many people hate me is that I call that

out. I go, "No, that was correct. That's

not correct. Um, and you know, and it's

someone's got to do that. I mean,

otherwise the public and the Congress

who don't know anything about the

subject are going to keep getting this

bad mix of good information with toxic

disinformation that's designed to take

the narrative into the alien threat

world. were designed to take it into

some other direction that serves the

military-industrial complex and this

sort of global uh effort of people who

want to you know you know kind of the

Independence Day theme. Let's unite the

world around an alien threat or this

sort of idiotic narrative. Well, after

the first congressional meeting, the

Pentagon actually went through the

report and announced that there was no

evidence of any alien technology in the report.

report.

Total nonsense. Um, and the you're

talking about the Pentagon report. Yeah.

So, Dr. Kurpatre, who is the head of

Arrow, is uh has committed multiple

felonies, and I'm making a statement

here. It's a strong statement. Uh, and I

can tell you there are firsthand people

corroborating this.

So, we have and you'll see it in in our

archive, the disclosure project

intelligence archive, free to anyone who

wants to get in there,

dpiaarchive.com. Um, 35 years of

evidence and information in there.

Nobody reads it because nobody reads.

It's politically incorrect to read. But

if you still read, it's all in there.

Now, what you'll find is there was a

letter from the chair and co-chair of

Senate Intelligence Committee

castigating Arrow and Dr. Kurpatre

because they knew he was sanitizing his

reports of the actual evidence and

testimony of people like Michael

Herrera. They later issued a public

report without naming Herrera and

totally falsified what he said that was.

They said he saw an extraterrestrial

vehicle when he clearly said it was

man-made staffed with people that look

like special projects, humans, some kind

of special operations group, uh, but

private. They didn't have any military

insignia. So, this has happened. I, and

here's the problem. He didn't know this.

A lot of the people who were brought

through and referred over from Senate

Intel and Armed Services were guys I

brought there, but he didn't know that.

And we were watching. And so the things

they shared in the

skiff, you know, couldn't come out,

right? But I knew because I was their

original debriefer. And so bang, this

got reported back to the chairs of the

committee and they wrote this letter,

you know, admonishing, but that

continued and continued and continued.

uh so much so there's a man who received

a multi-million dollar contract I've met with

with

recently and he had set up uh sensors

and uh tracking daytime radar signals

intelligence photographic of these

UAPs and he had about one and a half

terabytes of data gave it over to Arrow

and to Dr. Kpatrick and it vanished. The

new director can't even find it. It was

never provided over to the oversight

committees. This is something we're in

the process of fixing. So, you cannot be

set up and receive millions of dollars

in taxpayers funding with the mandate to

honestly investigate something and then

end up being a coverup artist, which is

what Dr. Kurp did. This is why mo most

of the whistleblowers I know wouldn't

touch that office with a 10-ft pole

because the people over the last three

years that we brought through there saw

how their evidence and testimony was

either covered up or distorted

deliberately distorted factually

distorted and and that is a felony

because you're reporting falsely back to

the Congress and there is a law

mandating here's what you're doing. So,

and this is why, you know, I tell talk

to some of the people in law enforcement

federally, I go, "Hello, anyone want to

enforce the law, right? Because if I

were to pull a stunt like that, I'd be

in I'd be in shackles, right? So, why

why are these bad actors immune

uh from lying to Congress, falsifying

reports, whatever it is?" So, uh that's

a big problem. So whatever you know they

what how do you know they're lying? I

learned this in 1993 after I briefed the

director of the

CIA. Their lips are moving in Washington

of these people. How do you know they're

lying? Their lips are moving. So on this

subject, you know, I'm sorry I sound so

cynical, but you know, I'm too old and

too tired to pretend that it's just not

a bunch of chicainery.

Well, Netflix had a series called

Investigation Alien.

Never saw it. Never heard of it. It was

hosted by journalist George Knap. And

one of the the big things in terms of

the focus on the series was this

jellyfish UFO video from Iraq. You know

what I'm talking about. Mhm.

Now, I looked at this video. I did some

searches online. What a lot of people

are saying is it's actually just a bunch

of balloons that are just flying through

there based on a wind. And you know, as

someone who has you know, helium

balloons in my house sometimes. You see

how they just sort of I've seen that.

Yeah. At one point they get a little bit

low, then they just sort of float around

the room at eye level. And that's what

it kind of looked like to me. Now, did

you think that this was an actual

jellyfish alien or I didn't I didn't

either. But but again, I don't have I'm

not involved with that. I have no

provenance of its origin. It's not

something I've really looked into. Um I

try to avoid the things that are in the

pop culture. I hate to say it. So, you

probably know a lot more about all that

than I ever will. And I'm too busy to

sit and look at Pabum that comes out on

whatever. So, I I'm just being honest. I

really don't A lot of what you might ask

about I have no knowledge of. I don't

have time for it. Um and it's usually

such nonsense that I just, you know, 30

seconds in I turn it off. But, so I just

don't know. I mean, you know, but I I

don't have any I don't have anyone in

the intelligence and military or

aerospace contracting world that's

brought that up to me as something of

interest. So, that's all I can say.

What about the whole New Jersey drone?

Oh, the drones is another story. Those

were false flag operations designed to

get people all riled up like the War of

the Worlds in New Jersey in the 30s.

What is it? Orson Wells or somebody um

where you know but the White House did

make a mistake in saying that all of

those were test objects that were known

by FAA. I mean I was on a news program

with a uh lieutenant general who said

that's absolutely not the case. And uh

the people I know who under contract

uh for one of the aerospace companies

went out there to investigate them

concluded what I did and that it was a

some type of testing of media and and

public reaction as sort of a false flag

to see what people would say and do and

see what kind of rumors could be spun

off from it. So often times they'll do

sort of a trial balloon of this false

alien invasion stuff, but 100% of that

was even the things that look like orbs

and stuff, those were hours. That's all

ours. And it was a false flag operation.

What I understand that was is that when you

you

had, let's unpack this a little further.

um between

uh about a year ago and November, the

plan was for

uh a high level group of whistleblowers

uh that

included Jake and some of his folks were

not going to come out publicly. They

were simply going to take all the hard

evidence they had, hand it over. we were

going to put it out on a blockchain

system and it would come out, right? And

it was explained that that would be too

catastrophic because it would be so

explosive. And so they decide to do this

slower controlled process and wait and

but also to unmask themselves, right,

where they would come forward publicly

which changes OPSEX completely

operational security completely because

now you're identified. you are

identified right as an individual and

you therefore are at risk. Um so it

changed the whole plans but when it was

going to be and when these drones even

all the way

until shortly before the inauguration we

thought there was going to be a dump a

big release of enormous amount of

dispositive proof and evidence and that

didn't happen. And uh so but when that

was still in the planning and

discussion, they launched anticipatory

to that all these drones and orbs and

what have you because they wanted people

to start thinking that everything uh

that they were going to disclose was

somehow related

um to to just drones and and and

experimental uh things. So, it was a uh

SCOP basically that was done in

anticipation of events that were planned

that ended up not coming to fruition

because it was decided these guys would

come out publicly rather than stay

clandestine and masked and and and but just let the evidence out. So I think

just let the evidence out. So I think the thinking in that group was that this

the thinking in that group was that this needs to be a more controlled release

needs to be a more controlled release with executive orders and congressional

with executive orders and congressional actions providing a pathway. Uh and

actions providing a pathway. Uh and there are some very senior people, you

there are some very senior people, you know, there's a chairman of a major

know, there's a chairman of a major corporation, a household name in America

corporation, a household name in America who's reached out to me who has

who's reached out to me who has documents and all this evidence. And

documents and all this evidence. And soon as he reached out to me, he had his

soon as he reached out to me, he had his family threatened, his grandchildren and

family threatened, his grandchildren and children. And uh right now if he were to

children. And uh right now if he were to come forward his his concern aside from

come forward his his concern aside from perhaps having all this wealth

perhaps having all this wealth confiscated under RICO racketeering

confiscated under RICO racketeering influence corrupt organization act which

influence corrupt organization act which like what you use against the mafia

like what you use against the mafia because this organization running this

because this organization running this is like the world's largest mafia

is like the world's largest mafia organized crime network.

organized crime network. So so he can't come out because the

So so he can't come out because the Congress never got amnesty through. was

Congress never got amnesty through. was killed about a year ago in December of

killed about a year ago in December of 2023. And so far there, you know, I

2023. And so far there, you know, I mean, look, the president's only been

mean, look, the president's only been there a month, but there's not been any

there a month, but there's not been any executive orders that explicitly would

executive orders that explicitly would give a a pathway both for personal

give a a pathway both for personal protection like marshals or legal

protection like marshals or legal protection, which would be like

protection, which would be like immunization or amnesty or safe harbor.

immunization or amnesty or safe harbor. So that's that's really what needs to

So that's that's really what needs to happen for for us to get the most

happen for for us to get the most important material out and also to get

important material out and also to get uh these people secured. But I think

uh these people secured. But I think there's something that we can do besides

there's something that we can do besides that and if you want to hear about

that and if you want to hear about it spooky but interesting.

Well, Elon Musk, Trump's new best friend, I don't know

friend, I don't know him. He's consistently said that he's

him. He's consistently said that he's never seen any signs of aliens or UFOs.

never seen any signs of aliens or UFOs. And this is someone who regularly

And this is someone who regularly launches ships into space.

launches ships into space. Well, he it's not like he's on board

Well, he it's not like he's on board those ships. And look,

those ships. And look, it's not as if every airline

it's not as if every airline pilot has seen these. But there are many

pilot has seen these. But there are many who have. There's one sitting in our

who have. There's one sitting in our room right here. All right. Captain of a

room right here. All right. Captain of a major airline. Wait, wait, wait, wait,

major airline. Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold, hold on, hold on.

hold, hold on, hold on. So, this person sitting next to us Mhm.

So, this person sitting next to us Mhm. has seen what? These UFOs while he's

has seen what? These UFOs while he's been flying his uh jets for a major

been flying his uh jets for a major airline. Really? Yeah. Are you will you

airline. Really? Yeah. Are you will you willing to jump in at some point and

willing to jump in at some point and talk about it?

talk about it? Could we? It's totally up to him. But

Could we? It's totally up to him. But are you hold are you willing to talk

are you hold are you willing to talk about it? Sure. All right. Well, we'll

about it? Sure. All right. Well, we'll bring you in a little bit. Okay. Look, I

bring you in a little bit. Okay. Look, I don't hang just every idiot. I mean,

don't hang just every idiot. I mean, just me. The people who just sort of

just me. The people who just sort of hang in my orbit are going to be folks

hang in my orbit are going to be folks like that, you know. That's right. Okay.

like that, you know. That's right. Okay. Got it. Okay. So, we we'll get to that.

Got it. Okay. So, we we'll get to that. So, go on. Uh where was it? Elon Musk.

So, go on. Uh where was it? Elon Musk. Yeah. So, it doesn't mean that, you

Yeah. So, it doesn't mean that, you know, he would have been read read onto

know, he would have been read read onto this or read into it. Now, whether he

this or read into it. Now, whether he really has no knowledge of this or uh or

really has no knowledge of this or uh or he has information and has been told not

he has information and has been told not to go there, I don't know. I I think

to go there, I don't know. I I think what I would recommend to Mr. Musk is

what I would recommend to Mr. Musk is you should not comment on things you

you should not comment on things you don't know anything about and if you do

don't know anything about and if you do know about it never lie to the public.

know about it never lie to the public. It's best to say I really don't know or

It's best to say I really don't know or deflect. So my advice if Mr. Musk is

deflect. So my advice if Mr. Musk is listening doubt he is but is that never

listening doubt he is but is that never make a false statement. Um and if you

make a false statement. Um and if you express an opinion, have it be an

express an opinion, have it be an informed opinion. So I think that is

informed opinion. So I think that is what is important to do. Uh because

what is important to do. Uh because otherwise people are going to be

otherwise people are going to be suspicious when all this comes out.

suspicious when all this comes out. Those comments by all kinds of officials

Those comments by all kinds of officials are going to come back to haunt them.

are going to come back to haunt them. It's like well did you not know in which

It's like well did you not know in which case what kind of researcher are you? Or

case what kind of researcher are you? Or you did know and you were lying to the

you did know and you were lying to the public. Neither are very good outcomes.

public. Neither are very good outcomes. So, what I'm recommending to people who

So, what I'm recommending to people who are in official positions or public

are in official positions or public positions is either say nothing or speak

positions is either say nothing or speak the truth, but don't say something that

the truth, but don't say something that is based on you're not knowing

is based on you're not knowing something. Uh, now I wouldn't mind if

something. Uh, now I wouldn't mind if someone does a qualifier and says, "I've

someone does a qualifier and says, "I've really looked I haven't looked into

really looked I haven't looked into this, but to my knowledge, I don't know

this, but to my knowledge, I don't know anything about it or what because that's

anything about it or what because that's that's fair game, right?" Um, and that's

that's fair game, right?" Um, and that's an appropriate response. I answer

an appropriate response. I answer questions like that all the time. Like

questions like that all the time. Like you just ask me about this jellyfish.

you just ask me about this jellyfish. Well, it's not my expertise. I haven't

Well, it's not my expertise. I haven't heard anything about it. And you

heard anything about it. And you know, there's nothing wrong with saying

know, there's nothing wrong with saying I don't know. Yeah. Right. And as an

I don't know. Yeah. Right. And as an emergency and trauma guy, the worst

emergency and trauma guy, the worst doctors think they know everything and

doctors think they know everything and they're the ones going to kill you. So I

they're the ones going to kill you. So I tell people and the worst pilots are the

tell people and the worst pilots are the ones that they think they know

ones that they think they know everything. They don't listen to the

everything. They don't listen to the co-pilot and they crash right into the

co-pilot and they crash right into the side of a mountain. So, I think that a

side of a mountain. So, I think that a little bit of introspection and humility

little bit of introspection and humility is needed. If you're in a powerful

is needed. If you're in a powerful position where you don't go off talking

position where you don't go off talking about things you really aren't

about things you really aren't knowledgeable about, it's best just to

knowledgeable about, it's best just to say nothing. Well, Tom Dong, who is the

say nothing. Well, Tom Dong, who is the co-founder of Link 182 and who's worked

co-founder of Link 182 and who's worked with you oh way back when he was a kid.

with you oh way back when he was a kid. Yeah. We had Yeah. Uh to the Stars

Yeah. We had Yeah. Uh to the Stars Academy. That was the one thing you guys

Academy. That was the one thing you guys worked on together. Oh, no, no, no. That

worked on together. Oh, no, no, no. That was Lu Alzando intercepted him, gas lit

was Lu Alzando intercepted him, gas lit him, used him, and spit him out. Oh,

him, used him, and spit him out. Oh, okay. Go look at that. Yeah. Got it. So,

okay. Go look at that. Yeah. Got it. So, you weren't involved in that at all? No.

you weren't involved in that at all? No. No. This I Tom Dong and I predate that

No. This I Tom Dong and I predate that going back to the early 2000s, I think,

going back to the early 2000s, I think, after the Disclosure Project press

after the Disclosure Project press conference in 2001. And then, uh, yeah,

conference in 2001. And then, uh, yeah, I got to know those guys and it was they

I got to know those guys and it was they were fun. We had a good time. But yeah.

were fun. We had a good time. But yeah. Yeah. Do you still keep in contact with

Yeah. Do you still keep in contact with Tom? I haven't in a while because once

Tom? I haven't in a while because once he got pulled into the disinformation

he got pulled into the disinformation nexus, right? Um then he got convinced

nexus, right? Um then he got convinced the evil alien there were these good and

the evil alien there were these good and bad evil aliens and a war and then he

bad evil aliens and a war and then he got convinced and then he got pulled in

got convinced and then he got pulled in by Louis Alzando into doing the to the

by Louis Alzando into doing the to the stars academy and and then he got run

stars academy and and then he got run over by those guys. So I mean it's it's

over by those guys. So I mean it's it's a sad story. I I really try to stick

a sad story. I I really try to stick with people who can kind of stay on path

with people who can kind of stay on path on track, you know, and uh but no, I I

on track, you know, and uh but no, I I never I mean Tom Del Long was a a great

never I mean Tom Del Long was a a great guy. We had good times together and you

guy. We had good times together and you know interesting person.

know interesting person. Now David Gush. Mhm. Do you guys still

Now David Gush. Mhm. Do you guys still keep in contact? No, I haven't been

keep in contact? No, I haven't been because I try to keep myself free of

because I try to keep myself free of folks who don't

folks who don't stay on the straight and narrow when it

stay on the straight and narrow when it comes to what they know. Uh because as

comes to what they know. Uh because as soon as that we were doing our national

soon as that we were doing our national press club event in 2023 in June and it

press club event in 2023 in June and it broken all the news that he was talking

broken all the news that he was talking about the aliens blowing up villages and

about the aliens blowing up villages and killing innocent people. Interestingly,

killing innocent people. Interestingly, the year before or two years before we

the year before or two years before we had uncovered that in the Dr. Jacqu

had uncovered that in the Dr. Jacqu Valet in one of his books in 1992 put an

Valet in one of his books in 1992 put an entry in that he had received a CIA

entry in that he had received a CIA document from

document from 1985 chronicling or documenting the fact

1985 chronicling or documenting the fact that the CIA was uh running abductions

that the CIA was uh running abductions on quote peasants in Brazil and

on quote peasants in Brazil and Argentina for its psychological warfare

Argentina for its psychological warfare value. I am quoting now. We're trying to

value. I am quoting now. We're trying to get that original document, but I think

get that original document, but I think the people couple people I know who have

the people couple people I know who have it have been told, "Don't provide that.

it have been told, "Don't provide that. You're a dead man." So, but that is a

You're a dead man." So, but that is a fact. That's 40 years ago that there's a

fact. That's 40 years ago that there's a document that proves that the SCOPs

document that proves that the SCOPs uh psychological warfare operations out

uh psychological warfare operations out of the agency were conducting abductions

of the agency were conducting abductions for exactly for the reasons we've warned

for exactly for the reasons we've warned about. So, so I tell people that is a

about. So, so I tell people that is a fact and it's a fact that needs to be

fact and it's a fact that needs to be proven as this whole subject gets

proven as this whole subject gets disclosed. Otherwise, it's going to be

disclosed. Otherwise, it's going to be the UFOs are real, ETSs are real, and

the UFOs are real, ETSs are real, and they're here to eat us for lunch. Now,

they're here to eat us for lunch. Now, we have to go to war, right? It's it's

we have to go to war, right? It's it's it's Pavlovian. I mean, it's almost like

it's Pavlovian. I mean, it's almost like a automaticity like that little sixth

a automaticity like that little sixth grade first grader, six-year-old going,

grade first grader, six-year-old going, "Aren't you afraid of being abducted?"

"Aren't you afraid of being abducted?" I'm going, uh, no, not unless there's a

I'm going, uh, no, not unless there's a covert human team. Well, you've said

covert human team. Well, you've said there's 69 different types of

there's 69 different types of extraterrestrials. Well, that we knew of

extraterrestrials. Well, that we knew of in 1960s. There may be many more now.

in 1960s. There may be many more now. Okay. And are these aliens from

Okay. And are these aliens from different planets or

Yes, I'm quite sure they would be from different star systems. Um, because of

different star systems. Um, because of the diversity of the biological form and

the diversity of the biological form and size. I mean, some are a foot and a half

size. I mean, some are a foot and a half tall.

tall. some report to be 10 12 feet tall. um

some report to be 10 12 feet tall. um you know that to my knowledge they're

you know that to my knowledge they're all uh bipeedal two arms two legs had

all uh bipeedal two arms two legs had sort of that form but then a huge amount

sort of that form but then a huge amount of variation within that form and this

of variation within that form and this would explain why some of those craft

would explain why some of those craft are very very tiny and some very large I

are very very tiny and some very large I mean if you're a 2 foot 3ft tall being

mean if you're a 2 foot 3ft tall being you know a 25 30 foot diameter

you know a 25 30 foot diameter egg-shaped craft is kind of spacious

egg-shaped craft is kind of spacious right you know it's it's it's like us

right you know it's it's it's like us being in something 60 ft proport

being in something 60 ft proport proportionally. What are the size

proportionally. What are the size differences? I mean, are there like

differences? I mean, are there like insectsized aliens and giant, you know,

insectsized aliens and giant, you know, I don't know, like whaleized aliens? I

I don't know, like whaleized aliens? I mean, what's the what's the range? Cuz

mean, what's the what's the range? Cuz it could technically be anything, right?

it could technically be anything, right? I mean, because like in our case, you

I mean, because like in our case, you talked about this some of your

talked about this some of your interviews, humans evolve from monkeys,

interviews, humans evolve from monkeys, right? And monkeys are warlike. They

right? And monkeys are warlike. They kill each other. They they fight. They

kill each other. They they fight. They troops and so forth. But if you had a

troops and so forth. But if you had a species that evolved from, let's say,

species that evolved from, let's say, dolphins or something like that that

dolphins or something like that that aren't war alike, right? This might be

aren't war alike, right? This might be an alien species that don't kill each

an alien species that don't kill each other and they don't understand why

other and they don't understand why humans are killing each other all the

humans are killing each other all the time. They don't. I mean, they

time. They don't. I mean, they understand it. They just think that it's

understand it. They just think that it's a shame we haven't evolved past it.

a shame we haven't evolved past it. Right. So, in terms of the alien species

Right. So, in terms of the alien species that you're familiar with, what's the

that you're familiar with, what's the range? Are they all like little gray men

range? Are they all like little gray men or are they just completely different?

or are they just completely different? Oh, no. They're totally different. And

Oh, no. They're totally different. And most of the ones that you see on the

most of the ones that you see on the spooky covers of books and at least we

spooky covers of books and at least we those are ours. Those are our robotic

those are ours. Those are our robotic fake aliens. Those are the the CIA

fake aliens. Those are the the CIA drones and robotic objects. And some the

drones and robotic objects. And some the really sophisticated ones are actually

really sophisticated ones are actually bio nano machines where they have

bio nano machines where they have biological material uh and are that's

biological material uh and are that's what they were using um the the culture

what they were using um the the culture material from the cattle and animal

material from the cattle and animal mutilations was being used to make those

mutilations was being used to make those very sophisticated fake aliens. Um and

very sophisticated fake aliens. Um and you know there's a physicist that I know

you know there's a physicist that I know who worked on those programs and uh I

who worked on those programs and uh I mean it really sounds like Mingala or

mean it really sounds like Mingala or you know Stranger Things or something

you know Stranger Things or something but um the strangest things are true my

but um the strangest things are true my friend and so I you know in terms of my

friend and so I you know in terms of my personal knowledge I have heard of ones

personal knowledge I have heard of ones a foot and a half or so tall to ones

a foot and a half or so tall to ones that range the upper end 30 to 40 feet

that range the upper end 30 to 40 feet tall. 30 or 40 feet. Yeah. Wow. But

tall. 30 or 40 feet. Yeah. Wow. But that's, you know, pretty rare. And, you

that's, you know, pretty rare. And, you know, depending on the planet and the

know, depending on the planet and the gravitational and everything else. I

gravitational and everything else. I mean, look, there there are humans that

mean, look, there there are humans that have been 8 feet tall and there are

have been 8 feet tall and there are humans that have been 3 feet tall. Yeah.

humans that have been 3 feet tall. Yeah. So, I think about the cosmos and how

So, I think about the cosmos and how vast I mean, it would make sense there'd

vast I mean, it would make sense there'd be enormous diversity. Uh, and this

be enormous diversity. Uh, and this brings to another question. I mean, you

brings to another question. I mean, you talk about war and the only way homo

talk about war and the only way homo sapiens, humans, evolve past where we're

sapiens, humans, evolve past where we're stuck is, and that people say, "Well,

stuck is, and that people say, "Well, this sounds like a spiritual discussion

this sounds like a spiritual discussion now." I said, "Well, maybe it is." Is

now." I said, "Well, maybe it is." Is that we have to find some foundation for

that we have to find some foundation for our commonality, our oneness. And it

our commonality, our oneness. And it can't be that we're just human because

can't be that we're just human because now we have non-humans that we're

now we have non-humans that we're dealing with. So, what is that? I always

dealing with. So, what is that? I always tell people it's at that deep level of

tell people it's at that deep level of uh the pure level of quiet consciousness

uh the pure level of quiet consciousness or spirit that they've done studies is

or spirit that they've done studies is actually a singularity. You know, Erin

actually a singularity. You know, Erin Schroinger, the father of modern

Schroinger, the father of modern particle wave theory and and quantum

particle wave theory and and quantum physics in 1908

physics in 1908 said he said that the total number of

said he said that the total number of minds in the universe is one that is

minds in the universe is one that is it's a

it's a singularity and so that's the foundation

singularity and so that's the foundation of the C5 contact protocols because not

of the C5 contact protocols because not only is the consciousness field not

only is the consciousness field not limited by space or time but also the

limited by space or time but also the understanding and experience of that

understanding and experience of that whether it's in a meditative state or

whether it's in a meditative state or even just intellectually understanding

even just intellectually understanding it becomes the foundation of you looking

it becomes the foundation of you looking into the eyes of a

into the eyes of a non-human extraterrestrial

non-human extraterrestrial um or a person on this planet who may be

um or a person on this planet who may be a different race or a different culture

a different race or a different culture whatever and seeing beyond the

whatever and seeing beyond the superficial and seeing right into the

superficial and seeing right into the the the soul or right into the conscious

the the soul or right into the conscious being that's in there. Um and beyond

being that's in there. Um and beyond that this sort of clear light of pure

that this sort of clear light of pure consciousness like when you go into the

consciousness like when you go into the deep meditative state the kind of

deep meditative state the kind of samadei or whatever before I was a

samadei or whatever before I was a doctor I was a meditation teacher and so

doctor I was a meditation teacher and so I really did a deep dive into that um

I really did a deep dive into that um because I when I was 17 I had a

because I when I was 17 I had a near-death experience and you know and

near-death experience and you know and it really opened up that universe to me

it really opened up that universe to me because I my family were atheists and

because I my family were atheists and they if it didn't test tube didn't exist

they if it didn't test tube didn't exist so you

so you But that dinner or death experience when

But that dinner or death experience when I was 17 was where I experienced for a

I was 17 was where I experienced for a period of time uh when I was away uh the

period of time uh when I was away uh the sort of the unbounded cosmic aspect of

sort of the unbounded cosmic aspect of our own consciousness. It wasn't that I

our own consciousness. It wasn't that I went somewhere I realized that's what's

went somewhere I realized that's what's in within us. And so when you have that

in within us. And so when you have that experience then you realize that's why

experience then you realize that's why our motto is one universe one people. So

our motto is one universe one people. So we don't view them as alien. And I hate

we don't view them as alien. And I hate the word alien because it conotes

the word alien because it conotes foreigness and xenophobia. I usually use

foreigness and xenophobia. I usually use the word ET people or ET civilizations,

the word ET people or ET civilizations, non-human civilizations. Well, you

non-human civilizations. Well, you talked about how you've interacted with

talked about how you've interacted with extraterrestrials by going into a

extraterrestrials by going into a meditative state and sometimes using

meditative state and sometimes using very psychedelics. Never. Never. Oh, no.

very psychedelics. Never. Never. Oh, no. Okay. Never. Now, they'll do that to the

Okay. Never. Now, they'll do that to the P3 operators, all kinds of drugs and

P3 operators, all kinds of drugs and stuff. No, my group.

stuff. No, my group. Um, listen. I know. So, so you're not

Um, listen. I know. So, so you're not taking any drugs at all? Never. When

taking any drugs at all? Never. When you're Cuz that's what I assume. It was

you're Cuz that's what I assume. It was a bunch of guys if I have a third

a bunch of guys if I have a third getting high and just seeing a bunch of

getting high and just seeing a bunch of weird lights. Like, it's not that. No.

weird lights. Like, it's not that. No. No. We never do any drugs. And in fact,

No. We never do any drugs. And in fact, it's against protocol completely. But

it's against protocol completely. But um, and it's not necessary. Uh, now, can

um, and it's not necessary. Uh, now, can you have a breakthrough moment with some

you have a breakthrough moment with some of those substances? Yes.

of those substances? Yes. But even the the the shaman that teach

But even the the the shaman that teach you know things like iawaska will say

you know things like iawaska will say that if you did it once as a gateway

that if you did it once as a gateway thing but what happens is that then

thing but what happens is that then people use it as a crutch um and they

people use it as a crutch um and they don't just do it once to get to a

don't just do it once to get to a breakaway a breakout moment. It becomes

breakaway a breakout moment. It becomes something that uh and this is the

something that uh and this is the typical western uh use of of substances

typical western uh use of of substances right everything you know whether it's

right everything you know whether it's weed or booze or this or that. It's an

weed or booze or this or that. It's an addictive uh materialistic view instead

addictive uh materialistic view instead of something useful. So I am actually

of something useful. So I am actually quite skeptical of that even though I

quite skeptical of that even though I know it's the zeitgeist is in that

know it's the zeitgeist is in that direction. Uh but it's not necessary. So

direction. Uh but it's not necessary. So you know I teach people um and the C5

you know I teach people um and the C5 contact app has a whole meditation

contact app has a whole meditation training course in it. Um and none of it

training course in it. Um and none of it involves any substances and isn't

involves any substances and isn't necessary. And we have the most

necessary. And we have the most extraordinary experiences in

extraordinary experiences in consciousness, but also in what we see.

consciousness, but also in what we see. And and I think that that is something

And and I think that that is something that people need to realize. Everything

that people need to realize. Everything you need, you naturally already have.

you need, you naturally already have. It's all within us. Now, if you need

It's all within us. Now, if you need some augmentation or whatever fires your

some augmentation or whatever fires your rockets, I've never done any of that

rockets, I've never done any of that stuff and haven't needed to, but maybe I

stuff and haven't needed to, but maybe I was lucky. I died when I was 17. I had a

was lucky. I died when I was 17. I had a near-death experience. I mean lucky,

near-death experience. I mean lucky, unlucky, whatever you want to look at.

unlucky, whatever you want to look at. Um survived it obviously cuz here we

Um survived it obviously cuz here we are. But um it was something that taught

are. But um it was something that taught me that that aspect of our own self

me that that aspect of our own self that's awake that is expanded. It

that's awake that is expanded. It connects to this sort of cosmic mind

connects to this sort of cosmic mind great being the native people. My

great being the native people. My grandmother was Cherokee. So that is

grandmother was Cherokee. So that is always within all of us and all things

always within all of us and all things and all places. So once you understand

and all places. So once you understand that and experience it and that's the

that and experience it and that's the beauty of some of the science that's

beauty of some of the science that's been done around the science of

been done around the science of consciousness by Dr. John at at

consciousness by Dr. John at at Princeton be I spoke with him before he

Princeton be I spoke with him before he died. He had the Princeton Engineering

died. He had the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Lab where they had

Anomalies Research Lab where they had people putting their awareness on random

people putting their awareness on random number generators. No wires, not like

number generators. No wires, not like Neuralink what Elon's doing, but just

Neuralink what Elon's doing, but just look at them and intend the random

look at them and intend the random number generator to spit out more ones

number generator to spit out more ones than zeros. And it would statistically

than zeros. And it would statistically significant. What was interesting if

significant. What was interesting if there are two people doing it loved each

there are two people doing it loved each other it was an exponential increase.

other it was an exponential increase. This is why I tell people when we do

This is why I tell people when we do these close encounters of the fifth

these close encounters of the fifth kind, the C5 contact protocol, when you

kind, the C5 contact protocol, when you do it with a few people, not a huge

do it with a few people, not a huge crow, I do it with huge crowds, but when

crow, I do it with huge crowds, but when you do it with a few people and there's

you do it with a few people and there's coherence and and brotherhood,

coherence and and brotherhood, sisterhood, love in that group, it has

sisterhood, love in that group, it has this very powerful effect that's almost

this very powerful effect that's almost like a magnet to these advanced

like a magnet to these advanced civilizations because they know that the

civilizations because they know that the future of humanity rests on uh humans

future of humanity rests on uh humans having not just technological

having not just technological development but social and spiritual

development but social and spiritual development simultaneously

development simultaneously uh which is of course sorely lacking and

uh which is of course sorely lacking and by spirituality I'm not referring to

by spirituality I'm not referring to organized religion per se I'm talking

organized religion per se I'm talking about something that transcends

about something that transcends organized religion into sort of the

organized religion into sort of the meaning of religion is from the religio

meaning of religion is from the religio is return to the source well the source

is return to the source well the source of all intelligent life is this

of all intelligent life is this unbounded state of consciousness samadei

unbounded state of consciousness samadei whatever you want to call

Have you ever had any contact with people from Heaven's Gate? No. Are you

people from Heaven's Gate? No. Are you familiar with what this is? I knew it

familiar with what this is? I knew it was a cult that u did mass suicide down

was a cult that u did mass suicide down in San Diego right as we were doing the

in San Diego right as we were doing the first congressional briefings privately

first congressional briefings privately in 97. That's all I know cuz I remember

in 97. That's all I know cuz I remember it was a disaster.

it was a disaster. It was based on aliens. It was based on

It was based on aliens. It was based on them thinking that this alien ship was

them thinking that this alien ship was gonna come down and take them all into

gonna come down and take them all into heaven and and so forth and then

heaven and and so forth and then ultimately ended in a mass suicide.

ultimately ended in a mass suicide. Yeah. So, you have groups out there that

Yeah. So, you have groups out there that take these alien concepts and kind of

take these alien concepts and kind of twist them into strange cults and so

twist them into strange cults and so forth that some sometimes end in the

forth that some sometimes end in the worst possible way like heaven's gate.

worst possible way like heaven's gate. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I

What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think that people should not be part of

think that people should not be part of a cult like that. What I tell people is

a cult like that. What I tell people is that the reason I refuse to I I kind of

that the reason I refuse to I I kind of the people who know me well know I can

the people who know me well know I can be a little bit brusk and profane

be a little bit brusk and profane because I do not want to be someone's

because I do not want to be someone's guru. People accuse you of this. I mean,

guru. People accuse you of this. I mean, you have these big meetings out where

you have these big meetings out where people I've been accused of and so

people I've been accused of and so forth. I mean, that's could be viewed as

forth. I mean, that's could be viewed as a cult by some people. Oh, well. I mean,

a cult by some people. Oh, well. I mean, so you go to a a football game, you're

so you go to a a football game, you're at a cult because you're with fans. I

at a cult because you're with fans. I mean stupid. No offense, that's a stupid

mean stupid. No offense, that's a stupid comment. So, you know, you know, it's

comment. So, you know, you know, it's dumb as [ __ ] All right. So, yes, people

dumb as [ __ ] All right. So, yes, people go out and we do this together.

go out and we do this together. Sometimes we train large groups, but

Sometimes we train large groups, but it's not something where there's some

it's not something where there's some kind of a

kind of a cult-like protocol. In fact, you if you

cult-like protocol. In fact, you if you ever went to one, which you should,

ever went to one, which you should, you'll learn that I tell everyone

you'll learn that I tell everyone whatever it is we're doing in medicine

whatever it is we're doing in medicine as a doctor, here's the the ethos. See

as a doctor, here's the the ethos. See one, do one, teach one. You see it done

one, do one, teach one. You see it done once, the next time you're doing it

once, the next time you're doing it yourself on your own. The third time

yourself on your own. The third time you're teaching a second year medical

you're teaching a second year medical student, right? And so the idea is that

student, right? And so the idea is that everyone empowers themselves to master

everyone empowers themselves to master this capability both in consciousness

this capability both in consciousness but also as an operational team and make

but also as an operational team and make peaceful contact. That's our ethos right

peaceful contact. That's our ethos right there. Now there's nothing cultlike

there. Now there's nothing cultlike about it. Now a lot of people if you use

about it. Now a lot of people if you use anything that's people disregard as

anything that's people disregard as woowoo consciousness and meditation you

woowoo consciousness and meditation you are a priori a cult. Well that's

are a priori a cult. Well that's ridiculous also. Um now could someone

ridiculous also. Um now could someone turn it into that? Yeah. And I had a I

turn it into that? Yeah. And I had a I had a talk with

had a talk with um a wonderful man named Tony Robbins

um a wonderful man named Tony Robbins about this and he wrote a book I'm not

about this and he wrote a book I'm not your guru. Right. And so that's kind of

your guru. Right. And so that's kind of how I feel with people. I'm not I'm not

how I feel with people. I'm not I'm not I'm I like teaching. I like showing

I'm I like teaching. I like showing people, but ultimately I don't want you

people, but ultimately I don't want you to, you know, a bunch of chaas or

to, you know, a bunch of chaas or devotees. No, learn this and then go do

devotees. No, learn this and then go do it yourself and and and empower

it yourself and and and empower yourself. So, if anything, I'm in the

yourself. So, if anything, I'm in the anti-cult approach to this um very

anti-cult approach to this um very strongly. Um which is also why, you

strongly. Um which is also why, you know, I I think that it but you're you

know, I I think that it but you're you hit on a good point and that is it's

hit on a good point and that is it's slippery slope. Yeah. Very slippery

slippery slope. Yeah. Very slippery slope. Very slippery. Yes. And that's

slope. Very slippery. Yes. And that's why I I make it very clear that ain't

why I I make it very clear that ain't me, you know, don't do that. Now, there

me, you know, don't do that. Now, there are people who try to spin off what I'm

are people who try to spin off what I'm doing, create their own little cults,

doing, create their own little cults, right? So, that's different. But, um,

right? So, that's different. But, um, you know, and I can't control that

you know, and I can't control that because people are going to do what

because people are going to do what they're going to do. Uh, but there's no

they're going to do. Uh, but there's no reason why people can't have someone who

reason why people can't have someone who teaches them. It doesn't mean that and

teaches them. It doesn't mean that and you can respect the teacher

you can respect the teacher uh but it doesn't mean you have to then

uh but it doesn't mean you have to then become some slavish person to someone

become some slavish person to someone channeling you know goob bloop from the

channeling you know goob bloop from the planet cahooa you know or whatever it is

planet cahooa you know or whatever it is you know it's like come on you know I

you know it's like come on you know I mean use your own brain use your own

mean use your own brain use your own consciousness and faculties and and do

consciousness and faculties and and do this yourself you know what I like the

this yourself you know what I like the most I got a couple years ago I got a

most I got a couple years ago I got a email I don't check my own I have people

email I don't check my own I have people who do that but it was this truck driver

who do that but it was this truck driver in

in Croatia and he was going along and he

Croatia and he was going along and he was had the C5 app, C5 contact app and

was had the C5 app, C5 contact app and he stopped. It was late at night to a

he stopped. It was late at night to a pull out. There was nobody out in the

pull out. There was nobody out in the mountains Croatia and he was doing the

mountains Croatia and he was doing the whole meditation and he kind of felt

whole meditation and he kind of felt that he made contact. Suddenly a a very

that he made contact. Suddenly a a very kind of circular

kind of circular uh ET craft materialized and went from

uh ET craft materialized and went from left to right right over the front of in

left to right right over the front of in front of his cab and vanished. And he

front of his cab and vanished. And he wrote this and this was just like a

wrote this and this was just like a bloke who was like you you'd have a a

bloke who was like you you'd have a a beer with at a pub who's a truck driver.

beer with at a pub who's a truck driver. And I went yes that is exactly right.

And I went yes that is exactly right. And you know because what I tell people

And you know because what I tell people is everyone can h everyone's who's a

is everyone can h everyone's who's a human is conscious and that

human is conscious and that consciousness is a singularity and so I

consciousness is a singularity and so I think it doesn't matter how your your

think it doesn't matter how your your intelligence your training whether

intelligence your training whether you're rich whether you're poor I mean I

you're rich whether you're poor I mean I grew up in a two- room shack with no

grew up in a two- room shack with no heat no air conditioning abandoned on

heat no air conditioning abandoned on the streets I was very poor in the south

the streets I was very poor in the south Carolina so I tell people anyone can do

Carolina so I tell people anyone can do this right and and I I think the the the

this right and and I I think the the the where people get into trouble is where

where people get into trouble is where they give their power up

they give their power up to a leader, a religious, whether it's

to a leader, a religious, whether it's political or religious or someone else,

political or religious or someone else, right? So, I I'm very strict about

right? So, I I'm very strict about independent investigation of the truth,

independent investigation of the truth, critical thinking, doing things on your

critical thinking, doing things on your own, you know, and like I tell people,

own, you know, and like I tell people, don't take my word for it. Try it on the

don't take my word for it. Try it on the evidence we have. Don't take my word for

evidence we have. Don't take my word for it. Go look at the 115 whistleblowers we

it. Go look at the 115 whistleblowers we have in our

have in our archive with their testimony. Name,

archive with their testimony. Name, rank, and serial number. Have you seen

rank, and serial number. Have you seen them? When I tell people when, you know,

them? When I tell people when, you know, like Mr. Musk, I'd say, "Well, have you

like Mr. Musk, I'd say, "Well, have you looked at that? These are named

looked at that? These are named firsthand whistleblowers. 115 of them on

firsthand whistleblowers. 115 of them on a silver platter. We I've spent $20

a silver platter. We I've spent $20 million putting this together." Who's

million putting this together." Who's looking at it? Wait, you spent $20

looking at it? Wait, you spent $20 million? Oh, at least over the last 30

million? Oh, at least over the last 30 years doing this. Really? Yes. Well,

years doing this. Really? Yes. Well, where did the money come from? Me, my

where did the money come from? Me, my work. And as a doctor, I mean, I've

work. And as a doctor, I mean, I've sacrificed a lot. I don't talk about it,

sacrificed a lot. I don't talk about it, but And donors. We've That's what I'm

but And donors. We've That's what I'm saying. Were there a lot of donors that

saying. Were there a lot of donors that came in with money? Yeah. Over years.

came in with money? Yeah. Over years. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's a huge

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, it's a huge expense. I mean, you know, I mean, just

expense. I mean, you know, I mean, just flying all these witnesses into

flying all these witnesses into Washington, putting on those press

Washington, putting on those press conferences. You're talking seven digits

conferences. You're talking seven digits here. So, you know, and that's why

here. So, you know, and that's why people say, "Oh, there's a tuition for

people say, "Oh, there's a tuition for what you're doing." I say, "Yeah, it

what you're doing." I say, "Yeah, it needs to be 10 times that." So, shut up

needs to be 10 times that." So, shut up and say thank you. But Right. Look, I've

and say thank you. But Right. Look, I've given up five $600,000 a year for years

given up five $600,000 a year for years to do this for free. Right. I don't get

to do this for free. Right. I don't get paid. Right. Yeah. Right. So, who's

paid. Right. Yeah. Right. So, who's paying me? The US government? No. So, I

paying me? The US government? No. So, I I push back very hard on that and I say

I push back very hard on that and I say there needs to be support for this. This

there needs to be support for this. This is the other problem is that if you if

is the other problem is that if you if you sell a bunch of nonsense and snake

you sell a bunch of nonsense and snake oil, you'll get millions of dollars in

oil, you'll get millions of dollars in contracts from the US government like

contracts from the US government like Bigalow Aerospace did. 22 million,

Bigalow Aerospace did. 22 million, flushed it down the toilet. If you're

flushed it down the toilet. If you're actually doing the hard work, you get

actually doing the hard work, you get natada, right? So, it's a very

natada, right? So, it's a very unrewarding profession. Let me just put

unrewarding profession. Let me just put it that way. Very I mean, but I feel

it that way. Very I mean, but I feel like I have a purpose here to do. I I

like I have a purpose here to do. I I mean I you we have the knowledge, we

mean I you we have the knowledge, we have the information, we know what the

have the information, we know what the consequences are. So I guess to those

consequences are. So I guess to those who have, you know, great knowledge on

who have, you know, great knowledge on something, they have great

something, they have great responsibility. So I take that very

responsibility. So I take that very seriously, but it's an ethical decision,

seriously, but it's an ethical decision, not a financial one. Well, you mentioned

not a financial one. Well, you mentioned that there's underwater UFOs. Oh, yeah.

that there's underwater UFOs. Oh, yeah. Lots. They've been tracked for decades.

Lots. They've been tracked for decades. I mean, that makes a lot of sense

I mean, that makes a lot of sense because we've really explored the oceans

because we've really explored the oceans barely at all. Yes. Yeah. Like what

barely at all. Yes. Yeah. Like what probably 95% of the ocean has been

probably 95% of the ocean has been completely unexplored and twothirds of

completely unexplored and twothirds of the earth is covered. Exactly. So are

the earth is covered. Exactly. So are there actual alien bases the bottom of

there actual alien bases the bottom of the bottom of the ocean and so forth?

the bottom of the ocean and so forth? There are both human and nonhuman assets

There are both human and nonhuman assets that have been in the ocean. Really?

that have been in the ocean. Really? Yeah. Like Atlantis kind of. Well, I I

Yeah. Like Atlantis kind of. Well, I I do know that out in that area there are

do know that out in that area there are some strange phenomenon. And uh what

some strange phenomenon. And uh what area do you mean? Like what used to be

area do you mean? Like what used to be called the Bermuda Triang. Bermuda

called the Bermuda Triang. Bermuda Triangle. Okay. I heard about this in

Triangle. Okay. I heard about this in the ' 80s where planes would just

the ' 80s where planes would just disappear and so forth. And you're

disappear and so forth. And you're saying that's a real thing? Yes. But

saying that's a real thing? Yes. But that was a underwater covert human

that was a underwater covert human array, electromagnetic array. Okay.

array, electromagnetic array. Okay. There's a similar one down at the South

There's a similar one down at the South Pole. We had a new whistleblower with

Pole. We had a new whistleblower with Rathon describe a mile under the ice

Rathon describe a mile under the ice these nutrino light emitters and

these nutrino light emitters and detectors that are down there at the

detectors that are down there at the South Pole. Not Antarctica, South Pole.

South Pole. Not Antarctica, South Pole. And uh you can look at his testimony,

And uh you can look at his testimony, Eric Hecker, uh who is down there for a

Eric Hecker, uh who is down there for a year at that base. And so there's a lot

year at that base. And so there's a lot of u unusual things that are placed

of u unusual things that are placed under the ocean. Uh then there have been

under the ocean. Uh then there have been extraterrestrial vehicles and I

extraterrestrial vehicles and I understand even uh bases that could be

understand even uh bases that could be deep because they can go through any

deep because they can go through any medium. You know, some people call

medium. You know, some people call transmedium. In other words, you can go

transmedium. In other words, you can go through uh water, solid rock, etc. and

through uh water, solid rock, etc. and so on. So the technology allows for

so on. So the technology allows for passing straight through solid matter.

passing straight through solid matter. Well, yeah, cuz you said teleportation

Well, yeah, cuz you said teleportation is a real thing. Yes. And this is what

is a real thing. Yes. And this is what you're talking about. Uh, no, that's

you're talking about. Uh, no, that's separate. A teleportation is based on

separate. A teleportation is based on quantum entanglement, but basically what

quantum entanglement, but basically what Einstein called the spooky effect where

Einstein called the spooky effect where you have you could have the same

you have you could have the same particle two places simultaneously. So a

particle two places simultaneously. So a teleportation would be it's here here

teleportation would be it's here here and it's through a quantum entanglement

and it's through a quantum entanglement resonance. Whereas something that would

resonance. Whereas something that would pass that would look 3D even the sun

pass that would look 3D even the sun shining on it could pass straight

shining on it could pass straight through into a mountain because the the

through into a mountain because the the resonant frequency of the matter and the

resonant frequency of the matter and the electronics of that craft cause it to

electronics of that craft cause it to mostly be unaligned with the matrix

mostly be unaligned with the matrix let's call it of matter in this

let's call it of matter in this dimension. So, and it gets a little

dimension. So, and it gets a little esoteric, but if you can

esoteric, but if you can visualize my body, I'm, you know, 6'4

visualize my body, I'm, you know, 6'4 and weigh

and weigh 220. If you were to take out all the

220. If you were to take out all the space between the atoms and molecules,

space between the atoms and molecules, all the mass of my body would fit on the

all the mass of my body would fit on the tip of a needle of a pen. Yeah. All

tip of a needle of a pen. Yeah. All right. So, but it's this size. So, what

right. So, but it's this size. So, what if you took this a little bit out of

if you took this a little bit out of angular momentum frequency? Then this

angular momentum frequency? Then this body could walk right through that wall

body could walk right through that wall and my atoms would not touch those atoms

and my atoms would not touch those atoms because you're going between the atoms.

because you're going between the atoms. Yes. Because you're passing in the space

Yes. Because you're passing in the space between. Okay. All right. I mean, it

between. Okay. All right. I mean, it gets into some esoteric physics. Yeah.

gets into some esoteric physics. Yeah. That's pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

That's pretty wild. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you mentioned the coverup is really

you mentioned the coverup is really focused on world energy and how

focused on world energy and how trillions and trillions of dollars are

trillions and trillions of dollars are made with oil,

made with oil, gas, you know, fossil fuels, and so

gas, you know, fossil fuels, and so forth. And you're basically saying

forth. And you're basically saying that the US and possibly other

that the US and possibly other governments have unlimited clean energy.

governments have unlimited clean energy. Sure. Using alien technology. Well, not

Sure. Using alien technology. Well, not the US government that's constitutional,

the US government that's constitutional, but the secret government does. There

but the secret government does. There are two governments, right? At least

are two governments, right? At least two, right? So, what they're saying,

two, right? So, what they're saying, well, what you're saying is that if this

well, what you're saying is that if this was actually uncovered, all these

was actually uncovered, all these industries would collapse in one day.

industries would collapse in one day. But it would benefit the earth. No, the

But it would benefit the earth. No, the No, the here's the thing and and I was

No, the here's the thing and and I was on a show uh Patrick David has a show.

on a show uh Patrick David has a show. Yeah, I know Patrick and um and and this

Yeah, I know Patrick and um and and this came up in that interview. I said,

came up in that interview. I said, "Look, if if someone came in right now

"Look, if if someone came in right now and put on that table one of these zero

and put on that table one of these zero point or free energy devices to get it

point or free energy devices to get it from that phase to where it's being

from that phase to where it's being manufactured, mass manufacturing to

manufactured, mass manufacturing to replace the one and a half billion motor

replace the one and a half billion motor vehicle engines in the world and to

vehicle engines in the world and to provide all the energy for 2 and a half

provide all the energy for 2 and a half billion homes on the planet plus all the

billion homes on the planet plus all the mill hundreds of millions of businesses,

mill hundreds of millions of businesses, factories, that's going to be 15, 20

factories, that's going to be 15, 20 years if you did it like the Marshall

years if you did it like the Marshall Plan that rebuilt Europe after World War

Plan that rebuilt Europe after World War II. So, it's not as if there would isn't

II. So, it's not as if there would isn't going to be a transition because just

going to be a transition because just logistically it's not possible to make

logistically it's not possible to make it happen all at once. But it would

it happen all at once. But it would eventually cause the elimination of the

eventually cause the elimination of the need for all fossil fuels, nuclear,

need for all fossil fuels, nuclear, wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric

wind, solar, geothermal, hydroelectric dams, all of it would be obsolete. Now,

dams, all of it would be obsolete. Now, my argument is that should have happened

my argument is that should have happened 100 years ago. That's why we did the

100 years ago. That's why we did the documentary The Lost Century, right?

documentary The Lost Century, right? Now the most recent documentary we

Now the most recent documentary we released is called Battle for

released is called Battle for Disclosure. And if you look at Battle

Disclosure. And if you look at Battle for Disclosure, uh that deals with some

for Disclosure, uh that deals with some of this as well

of this as well because the the big question is going to

because the the big question is going to be do we do a real honest disclosure or

be do we do a real honest disclosure or sort of a fake one, light one, because

sort of a fake one, light one, because an honest one is going to include the

an honest one is going to include the man-made. I mentioned this earlier,

man-made. I mentioned this earlier, that's a bigger secret than the

that's a bigger secret than the nonhuman, right? Well, are you talking

nonhuman, right? Well, are you talking about a 0 point quantum vacuum

about a 0 point quantum vacuum spacetime? Yeah, that's what you're

spacetime? Yeah, that's what you're talking about right now. Sure. And we

talking about right now. Sure. And we can put you you know I'm meeting with

can put you you know I'm meeting with someone to what is today? Yeah, tomorrow

someone to what is today? Yeah, tomorrow who's a inventor and has 20 patents and

who's a inventor and has 20 patents and has come across this and doesn't know

has come across this and doesn't know what to do with it. So um that has to be

what to do with it. So um that has to be open sourced you know it has to be put

open sourced you know it has to be put out without patents and released

out without patents and released massively. uh because over the last

massively. uh because over the last hundred years anyone who's tried to use

hundred years anyone who's tried to use a conventional business model or the

a conventional business model or the patent office have had it seized. You

patent office have had it seized. You know, we can prove this. And meanwhile,

know, we can prove this. And meanwhile, you know, the earth is being greatly

you know, the earth is being greatly damaged by how look there are 8 billion

damaged by how look there are 8 billion people living on the planet like we did

people living on the planet like we did in the 1800s in in the industrial

in the 1800s in in the industrial revolution. You know, oil, gas, coal,

revolution. You know, oil, gas, coal, roads, internal combustion engines, that

roads, internal combustion engines, that was Mercedes 1888. Even rockets 1940s

was Mercedes 1888. Even rockets 1940s Verer von Brown. So you know and nuclear

Verer von Brown. So you know and nuclear 1945. So I always ask people do you

1945. So I always ask people do you really think there's been no

really think there's been no developments in energy generation in 80

developments in energy generation in 80 years? This is ridiculous. Yeah. No I

years? This is ridiculous. Yeah. No I it's been ruthlessly suppressed. I had a

it's been ruthlessly suppressed. I had a conversation with someone about this

conversation with someone about this recently where if you really think about

recently where if you really think about it Mhm. When you get into a plane and

it Mhm. When you get into a plane and you fly across

you fly across country, it's pretty much the same thing

country, it's pretty much the same thing as doing it in the 70s. 50 years later,

as doing it in the 70s. 50 years later, it the planes go about as fast. Mhm.

it the planes go about as fast. Mhm. They're about as big, right? And there's

They're about as big, right? And there's really no major difference in flying

really no major difference in flying now. I mean, maybe the planes are a

now. I mean, maybe the planes are a little nicer and the seats are a little

little nicer and the seats are a little cushier, but that's about it. The same

cushier, but that's about it. The same as a 707 in the early 60s. Yeah. So,

as a 707 in the early 60s. Yeah. So, we're talking 60 years later. Exactly.

we're talking 60 years later. Exactly. Exactly. So there's really been almost

Exactly. So there's really been almost no technological developments in air

no technological developments in air travel or commercial air travel or or

travel or commercial air travel or or energy generation a more fundamental.

energy generation a more fundamental. Yeah. I mean we're still using nuclear,

Yeah. I mean we're still using nuclear, we're still using coal, we're still

we're still using coal, we're still using gas. Uh you know uh solar power is

using gas. Uh you know uh solar power is not quite there yet. No. And it's never

not quite there yet. No. And it's never going to get there. Not the way it's

going to get there. Not the way it's configured. Now there have been people

configured. Now there have been people who've done what are called solar

who've done what are called solar collectors that isn't just the normal

collectors that isn't just the normal photons but all the uh energy that comes

photons but all the uh energy that comes from the sun that rectifies it into very

from the sun that rectifies it into very powerful like something this big that

powerful like something this big that would run your house those have all been

would run your house those have all been confiscated. I I've spoken to a couple

confiscated. I I've spoken to a couple of inventors and if people doubt it go

of inventors and if people doubt it go look at the tw 2010

look at the tw 2010 uh report by the Federation of American

uh report by the Federation of American Scientists. It's in our It may be in the

Scientists. It's in our It may be in the briefing document here um that I'm going

briefing document here um that I'm going to give you. Uh it's the president. It's

to give you. Uh it's the president. It's in the Congress's briefing document

in the Congress's briefing document redacted of certain things, but you'll

redacted of certain things, but you'll have a copy and people can order it now

have a copy and people can order it now and go to drstephgr.com and order this.

and go to drstephgr.com and order this. Um it's we just it just came out this

Um it's we just it just came out this week. So, um, that technology should

week. So, um, that technology should have been out decades ago and it would

have been out decades ago and it would have enabled us to have a civilization

have enabled us to have a civilization by now with no pollution and no poverty.

by now with no pollution and no poverty. But of course, whether it was 100 years

But of course, whether it was 100 years ago in the time of Tesla, the real

ago in the time of Tesla, the real Tesla, not the Tesla car

Tesla, not the Tesla car company or now, it's the same powerful

company or now, it's the same powerful industrial global interests that don't

industrial global interests that don't want it out, right? To the detriment of

want it out, right? To the detriment of 99.999% of humanity. So, at a certain

99.999% of humanity. So, at a certain point, I think that we're going to have

point, I think that we're going to have to say, well, we have to start that

to say, well, we have to start that process somehow. And this this document

process somehow. And this this document that this research by the Federation of

that this research by the Federation of American Scientists found that in 1970,

American Scientists found that in 1970, there was a solar panel as efficient or

there was a solar panel as efficient or more than anything we have today. And it

more than anything we have today. And it had a national security seizure order on

had a national security seizure order on it because it would have the price point

it because it would have the price point of that would have compet competed with

of that would have compet competed with coal and and gas back then, 50 years

coal and and gas back then, 50 years ago, 50 some years ago. So this

ago, 50 some years ago. So this nonsense, the abuse, here it is, the

nonsense, the abuse, here it is, the abuse of the National Security Authority

abuse of the National Security Authority under patent and invention laws and that

under patent and invention laws and that continues even if you don't patent your

continues even if you don't patent your technology, they'll stormtroopers will

technology, they'll stormtroopers will come into your lab and take it, right?

come into your lab and take it, right? You don't even have to apply for a

You don't even have to apply for a patent once they find out you have

patent once they find out you have something like that. So this thuggery,

something like that. So this thuggery, which is what it is, um, makes a mockery

which is what it is, um, makes a mockery out of democracy, but also out of a free

out of democracy, but also out of a free market. You know, everybody, oh, we have

market. You know, everybody, oh, we have a free market economy. I said, like the

a free market economy. I said, like the hell we do. I mean, how do you have a

hell we do. I mean, how do you have a free market economy if the most

free market economy if the most important inventions of the last hundred

important inventions of the last hundred years have been ruthlessly suppressed to

years have been ruthlessly suppressed to the benefit of a handful of global

the benefit of a handful of global oligarchs? Nonsense. That's utter

oligarchs? Nonsense. That's utter ridiculous. It's a myth.

ridiculous. It's a myth. Well, you said that the alien crisis

Well, you said that the alien crisis that no one is talking about is humans

that no one is talking about is humans reverse engineering ET technology to use

reverse engineering ET technology to use against other ETs. Yes. So, we're

against other ETs. Yes. So, we're developing alien weapons to kill other

developing alien weapons to kill other aliens, right? So, this is a real

aliens, right? So, this is a real problem because I mentioned earlier the

problem because I mentioned earlier the technology curve isn't flat, you know,

technology curve isn't flat, you know, it's actually exponential. And so you

it's actually exponential. And so you have people who have reverse

have people who have reverse engineered extraterrestrial technologies

engineered extraterrestrial technologies from craft that we've acquired. Okay.

from craft that we've acquired. Okay. Are you talking about scalar waves? Part

Are you talking about scalar waves? Part of it. Part of it. And but and more. And

of it. Part of it. And but and more. And then those then get turned into weapon

then those then get turned into weapon systems that are used against non-human

systems that are used against non-human craft and ETSs to down more of them to

craft and ETSs to down more of them to study more of them. Ah okay. So it's not

study more of them. Ah okay. So it's not that we just want to kill ETSs, but we

that we just want to kill ETSs, but we want more technology. Oh yeah. So it's a

want more technology. Oh yeah. So it's a it's a money and technology graph pure

it's a money and technology graph pure and simple. What are scalar waves? So

and simple. What are scalar waves? So scalar Tesla I think was an early sort

scalar Tesla I think was an early sort of person who described and experimented

of person who described and experimented with them I think in the 20s30s perhaps

with them I think in the 20s30s perhaps I have to look it up but a scalar u so

I have to look it up but a scalar u so the light we see in this room just make

the light we see in this room just make it really simple is a wave right so it's

it really simple is a wave right so it's vac the the vacuum as it were you have

vac the the vacuum as it were you have this wavelength of light passing through

this wavelength of light passing through at 186,000 miles per second so every

at 186,000 miles per second so every second it goes 186,000 miles. A

second it goes 186,000 miles. A lightyear is 186,000 miles every second

lightyear is 186,000 miles every second for a whole year. That is one light

for a whole year. That is one light year. It's okay. Now imagine what if you

year. It's okay. Now imagine what if you had what they call a scalar. It's

had what they call a scalar. It's actually a

actually a point that comes out in a straight line.

point that comes out in a straight line. So it's not propagating in a waveform

So it's not propagating in a waveform which means it's multiples of the speed

which means it's multiples of the speed of light which means it goes boom like

of light which means it goes boom like multiples of speed. So when we detonated

multiples of speed. So when we detonated the first atomic bomb for example this

the first atomic bomb for example this is gets back to why all the ETs started

is gets back to why all the ETs started coming in in force in the 40s and 50s is

coming in in force in the 40s and 50s is that a tenant with the electromagnetic

that a tenant with the electromagnetic pulse which everybody knows what that

pulse which everybody knows what that is. You can put an EMP up above LA and

is. You can put an EMP up above LA and take out the whole grid, right? But an

take out the whole grid, right? But an electromagnetic pulse has within it a

electromagnetic pulse has within it a scalar signal that propagates at

scalar signal that propagates at multiples of the speed of light and

multiples of the speed of light and disrupts interstellar communication and

disrupts interstellar communication and travel. That's why it sort of rips the

travel. That's why it sort of rips the fabric of the 3D cosmos. So that's why

fabric of the 3D cosmos. So that's why once we started detonating those, it was

once we started detonating those, it was uh one one MI6 guy I interviewed years

uh one one MI6 guy I interviewed years ago.

ago. Um uh he he had been military

Um uh he he had been military intelligence in Great Britain and then

intelligence in Great Britain and then he published a a magazine called Flying

he published a a magazine called Flying Saucer Review. Don't you love the name?

Saucer Review. Don't you love the name? And I interviewed him at his cottage in

And I interviewed him at his cottage in England and great guy, brilliant guy. He

England and great guy, brilliant guy. He says, well, he says, when we did that,

says, well, he says, when we did that, we kind of kicked a hornets's nest

we kind of kicked a hornets's nest because it not only was very disruptive

because it not only was very disruptive to these other civilizations systems

to these other civilizations systems because we're thinking straight line

because we're thinking straight line here to another star system taking 8

here to another star system taking 8 years at the speed of light. No, no, no,

years at the speed of light. No, no, no, no, no. Forget that. We're now talking

no, no. Forget that. We're now talking about transdimensional technologies and

about transdimensional technologies and scalar ones that are much faster. And so

scalar ones that are much faster. And so they the ETSs knew, whoa, a big red flag

they the ETSs knew, whoa, a big red flag over planet Earth. We've gone from uh

over planet Earth. We've gone from uh machine guns and or musketss or bows and

machine guns and or musketss or bows and arrows to thermonuclear weapons, right?

arrows to thermonuclear weapons, right? Within about a 100 years. Think about

Within about a 100 years. Think about it. From 1945, the atomic bomb 100 years

it. From 1945, the atomic bomb 100 years earlier, 1845, what were we using? You

earlier, 1845, what were we using? You know, rifle. We didn't have a machine

know, rifle. We didn't have a machine gun. We didn't even have tanks. We

gun. We didn't even have tanks. We didn't have airplanes. So in a hundred

didn't have airplanes. So in a hundred years, imagine if your civilizations

years, imagine if your civilizations monitoring the earth and they have been.

monitoring the earth and they have been. And we go from that even though it's

And we go from that even though it's dysfunctional that we're having endless

dysfunctional that we're having endless wars, but we go from that to a

wars, but we go from that to a technological breakthrough where we are

technological breakthrough where we are not only a threat to all life on Earth,

not only a threat to all life on Earth, we're now a threat to other planets

we're now a threat to other planets because they can they can extrapolate

because they can they can extrapolate into the future. And then add to that we

into the future. And then add to that we started

started studying very advanced extraterrestrial

studying very advanced extraterrestrial technologies. And to give you an idea

technologies. And to give you an idea how advanced they are, I'll just give a

how advanced they are, I'll just give a little quote from uh the the director of

little quote from uh the the director of the Loheed Skunk Works, the president of

the Loheed Skunk Works, the president of the Loheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich, the

the Loheed Skunk Works, Ben Rich, the week he died, before he died, he spoke

week he died, before he died, he spoke to a friend of mine, uh James Goodall,

to a friend of mine, uh James Goodall, who's a aerospace historian,

who's a aerospace historian, illustrator, and he said,

illustrator, and he said, well, he says, anything you can imagine

well, he says, anything you can imagine or that you've seen on Star

or that you've seen on Star Trek, we've already done at the Skunk

Trek, we've already done at the Skunk Works. It's out in the desert, he says.

Works. It's out in the desert, he says. But not Area 51. I know where it is.

But not Area 51. I know where it is. I've been to the site where that is. And

I've been to the site where that is. And so whatever people think humans have

so whatever people think humans have figured out, it's way more. But imagine

figured out, it's way more. But imagine that being in the hands of a group of

that being in the hands of a group of sociopaths, right, with the kind of

sociopaths, right, with the kind of malcontent and sociopathic behavior they

malcontent and sociopathic behavior they have. That is a serious national

have. That is a serious national security threat and a world security

security threat and a world security threat. It's a five alarm fire that five

threat. It's a five alarm fire that five alarm fire. No one's looking at it

alarm fire. No one's looking at it because if you don't know about it,

because if you don't know about it, you're not looking at the problem,

you're not looking at the problem, right? And that's true whether it's the

right? And that's true whether it's the president or the prime minister of the

president or the prime minister of the UK or the Congress or whoever it is. So

UK or the Congress or whoever it is. So when I realized this, that's this is

when I realized this, that's this is part of what led me to leave my medical

part of what led me to leave my medical career and work on this is that this is

career and work on this is that this is a a great problem if you it's got to get

a a great problem if you it's got to get fixed. Uh, and ultimately I think the

fixed. Uh, and ultimately I think the most dangerous part of this is that I've

most dangerous part of this is that I've heard from three different sources don't

heard from three different sources don't know each other who've been in

know each other who've been in communication centers that ETSs can only

communication centers that ETSs can only allow us to go so far using that kind of

allow us to go so far using that kind of technology against nonhumans because

technology against nonhumans because then we become an existential threat to

then we become an existential threat to other places, right? And but it so if we

other places, right? And but it so if we humans don't fix this and stand down

humans don't fix this and stand down those

those uh quite frankly illegal covert

uh quite frankly illegal covert operations they'll have to but then it

operations they'll have to but then it will look like independent state right

will look like independent state right so we do not want to have that as the

so we do not want to have that as the option we want to fix this humans need

option we want to fix this humans need to fix this ourselves uh but it's going

to fix this ourselves uh but it's going to take a lot of courage there are three

to take a lot of courage there are three things so far been lacking in the 35

things so far been lacking in the 35 years I've been doing this from our

years I've been doing this from our leaders

leaders not from these special forces guys I

not from these special forces guys I work with. They're they're amazing but

work with. They're they're amazing but and it's three things and I call it EC.

and it's three things and I call it EC. It's like going to the to Paris here

It's like going to the to Paris here ICI. It's the intelligence to understand

ICI. It's the intelligence to understand this and really drill down on it. It's

this and really drill down on it. It's the courage to take it on because you're

the courage to take it on because you're going to have everything thrown at you

going to have everything thrown at you and the integrity not to get balled off

and the integrity not to get balled off or bribed or blackmailed. Uh and those

or bribed or blackmailed. Uh and those are hard things. That's the trifecta of

are hard things. That's the trifecta of what's needed to do this and that's

what's needed to do this and that's going to be the test for Congress and

going to be the test for Congress and the president, whoever it is, right?

the president, whoever it is, right? Because I know what's going to be thrown

Because I know what's going to be thrown at them and and uh so that that's where

at them and and uh so that that's where it gets into a certain level. Well, they

it gets into a certain level. Well, they need to be aware of the issue and then

need to be aware of the issue and then they need to authorize the team that I'm

they need to authorize the team that I'm working with that I can't say much about

working with that I can't say much about that or have been uh they need

that or have been uh they need authorization to get these under control

authorization to get these under control and they are all former special forces

and they are all former special forces guys who've separated from the military

guys who've separated from the military who are ready to go today right now but

who are ready to go today right now but they're going to have to have the

they're going to have to have the support both the funding and the legal

support both the funding and the legal support to do it. Um, so my job has been

support to do it. Um, so my job has been to advise them and give them all the

to advise them and give them all the intelligence I have. And if you go and

intelligence I have. And if you go and you look at this this um briefing

you look at this this um briefing document, this is the Oh, you got a hard

document, this is the Oh, you got a hard copy. I didn't know we got one. First

copy. I didn't know we got one. First hard copy. Okay. So, this is the new

hard copy. Okay. So, this is the new briefing document for

briefing document for um the White House and and members of

um the White House and and members of Congress. Um, it's redacted with

Congress. Um, it's redacted with individual names and things that are

individual names and things that are sensitive, but I've never done this, but

sensitive, but I've never done this, but we made it available to the public uh

we made it available to the public uh this week and you can order it um at I

this week and you can order it um at I think it's

think it's drsteeener.com or seriouslosure.com. You

drsteeener.com or seriouslosure.com. You can put the link up and it has all that

can put the link up and it has all that in there. It has a whole list of the 155

in there. It has a whole list of the 155 black sites. It has the Here's a map of

black sites. It has the Here's a map of them.

them. Those are the black sites. Yeah. Okay.

Those are the black sites. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You want to know where they are

Yeah. You want to know where they are and what's there? It's in here. Okay.

and what's there? It's in here. Okay. All right. Any close to here? Huh? Oh,

All right. Any close to here? Huh? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Oh, sure.

yeah. Yeah. Oh, sure. Absolutely. Okay. I've been at a lot of

Absolutely. Okay. I've been at a lot of them. Not all of them. I But I have

them. Not all of them. I But I have witnesses have whistleblowers who have

witnesses have whistleblowers who have been operational

uh information, people who are tactically there, you know. Um, imagine

tactically there, you know. Um, imagine debriefing hundreds of people like Jake

debriefing hundreds of people like Jake Barber. Mhm. So, I'll sign this to you.

Barber. Mhm. So, I'll sign this to you. Please do. Should we? Yeah, let's do it.

Please do. Should we? Yeah, let's do it. And now this other one. You want someone

And now this other one. You want someone hand that to me or no? Could you grab a

hand that to me or no? Could you grab a J? There you go. And then this

J? There you go. And then this one. This is will come out in a hard co

one. This is will come out in a hard co copy in a few weeks. So, this is really

copy in a few weeks. So, this is really cool. So, I collaborated with uh the

cool. So, I collaborated with uh the crash retrieval expert Michael Schat on

crash retrieval expert Michael Schat on this. And this is a whole collection of

this. And this is a whole collection of both the historic but also the newer

both the historic but also the newer crash retrievals all illustrated in each

crash retrievals all illustrated in each case. You'll see the object and you'll

case. You'll see the object and you'll see, let me find one that the camera Oh,

see, let me find one that the camera Oh, here's Herrera. So, here's for example,

here's Herrera. So, here's for example, the uh craft that

the uh craft that crashed uh I mean was abducting and and

crashed uh I mean was abducting and and transporting people. This is the

transporting people. This is the Indonesia 2009 event. H a very good

Indonesia 2009 event. H a very good representation and the crate there had

representation and the crate there had people in it. And then this is the

people in it. And then this is the summary on the on the other side of the

summary on the on the other side of the page of 30 pages of testimony into a

page of 30 pages of testimony into a couple paragraphs, right? And on the

couple paragraphs, right? And on the following page is another illustration

following page is another illustration and then my commentary. So that's what

and then my commentary. So that's what this has just come out and you can get

this has just come out and you can get this and it it it covers the most

this and it it it covers the most important cases in history. Every single

important cases in history. Every single one of them though, we took out anything

one of them though, we took out anything that didn't have a named whistleblower

that didn't have a named whistleblower witness who was there or involved,

witness who was there or involved, whether it was police, military,

whether it was police, military, corporate. Right. So, this is just

corporate. Right. So, this is just available, too. I'll sign it for you.

available, too. I'll sign it for you. Thank

Thank you. Well, you claimed that JFK was

you. Well, you claimed that JFK was killed because he had fired Alan Dulles,

killed because he had fired Alan Dulles, who was going to release info on UFO

who was going to release info on UFO secrets. And I guess you claimed that

secrets. And I guess you claimed that Bobby Kennedy there was a similar

Bobby Kennedy there was a similar situation going on as well. No, he he

situation going on as well. No, he he wasn't you kind of got it backwards.

wasn't you kind of got it backwards. Jack Kennedy was killed because he

Jack Kennedy was killed because he wanted to get the CIA under control and

wanted to get the CIA under control and him back in control of these covert UFO

him back in control of these covert UFO related programs and associated

related programs and associated programs, energy, propulsion, all of it.

programs, energy, propulsion, all of it. and Alan Dulles who helped start the CIA

and Alan Dulles who helped start the CIA with the billionaire Paul Milan whose

with the billionaire Paul Milan whose grandson I've been working with. Uh he

grandson I've been working with. Uh he uh very interestingly said what he said

uh very interestingly said what he said was

was uh they were going to put through a

uh they were going to put through a federal review process and I know RFK

federal review process and I know RFK Jr. said this on some years ago on I

Jr. said this on some years ago on I think Larry King and that President

think Larry King and that President Kennedy was going to basically dissolve

Kennedy was going to basically dissolve or totally reform the CIA. And in the

or totally reform the CIA. And in the process of that, Jack Kennedy fired Alan

process of that, Jack Kennedy fired Alan Dulles who had been instrumental in

Dulles who had been instrumental in forming the CIA after the Roswell crash

forming the CIA after the Roswell crash in

in 1947. And because of that, they said,

1947. And because of that, they said, "Oh, no, you're not." and they set up an

"Oh, no, you're not." and they set up an assassination with mult paths and all

assassination with mult paths and all that. So we know that that's the case

that. So we know that that's the case and I have people in Europe as well as

and I have people in Europe as well as in US that have information on all of

in US that have information on all of that. Uh I think also Bobby Kennedy

that. Uh I think also Bobby Kennedy senior RFK Jr.'s dad

senior RFK Jr.'s dad um and I have a I have a letter. It's

um and I have a I have a letter. It's very interesting. It's in our archive

very interesting. It's in our archive and it was dated May 1968, a month

and it was dated May 1968, a month before they killed Bobby Kennedy. And

before they killed Bobby Kennedy. And it's Bobby Kennedy saying, I'm kind of

it's Bobby Kennedy saying, I'm kind of paraphrasing here, but he says, "I'm a

paraphrasing here, but he says, "I'm a card carrying member of the Amalgamated

card carrying member of the Amalgamated Flying Saucer Association of America."

Flying Saucer Association of America." They were called Flying Saucers back

They were called Flying Saucers back then. And it's signed by Bobby Kennedy.

then. And it's signed by Bobby Kennedy. and how important this was and I he

and how important this was and I he wanted to get to the bottom of it if he

wanted to get to the bottom of it if he had become president and a month later

had become president and a month later he was dead. Right? So this issue is the

he was dead. Right? So this issue is the third rail. I mean a lot of people this

third rail. I mean a lot of people this is one of the problems is that when

is one of the problems is that when people realize what the gravity of the

people realize what the gravity of the situation is that this comes out it's

situation is that this comes out it's going to change almost every aspect of

going to change almost every aspect of life on earth honestly. And there are

life on earth honestly. And there are people who don't want that to happen.

people who don't want that to happen. There are religious people who don't. We

There are religious people who don't. We can talk about that. There are

can talk about that. There are technological people who don't. There's

technological people who don't. There's financial oil and other uh interests

financial oil and other uh interests that don't. And so, uh, anyone who wants

that don't. And so, uh, anyone who wants to move in that direction ends up

to move in that direction ends up getting runs into this buzzsaw, right?

getting runs into this buzzsaw, right? And it makes sense. And, uh, I tell this

And it makes sense. And, uh, I tell this very funny story back in 1993, September

very funny story back in 1993, September 93, and I was with Lawrence Rockefeller

93, and I was with Lawrence Rockefeller at the Rockefeller ranch out in the

at the Rockefeller ranch out in the Tetons. And a lot of people don't know

Tetons. And a lot of people don't know the Teton, Grand Tetons were owned by

the Teton, Grand Tetons were owned by the Rockefellers. They owned everything

the Rockefellers. They owned everything and they gave it to the US government as

and they gave it to the US government as a national park, but they kept out this

a national park, but they kept out this really cool ranch in this remote area

really cool ranch in this remote area called the JY Ranch. And so I was

called the JY Ranch. And so I was invited to come out there and and late

invited to come out there and and late at

at night, I was out on one of the decks by

night, I was out on one of the decks by uh there was a bronze statue of a Native

uh there was a bronze statue of a Native American on horse. I think it was a

American on horse. I think it was a Remington original. And Lawrence

Remington original. And Lawrence Rockefeller turns to me. He says, "You

Rockefeller turns to me. He says, "You know, Dr. Greer, no aspect of life on

know, Dr. Greer, no aspect of life on Earth will be unchanged by this being

Earth will be unchanged by this being disclosed." I said, 'I know, Lawrence.

disclosed." I said, 'I know, Lawrence. That's why it's so secret and they've

That's why it's so secret and they've taken such extraordinary means,

taken such extraordinary means, including killing a former president.

including killing a former president. But and and he did help. I mean, he

But and and he did help. I mean, he hosted the Clintons there. Um he was a

hosted the Clintons there. Um he was a conduit for information.

conduit for information. um he was not involved in setting up the

um he was not involved in setting up the briefing I did for the CI director for

briefing I did for the CI director for for President Clinton. In fact, he was

for President Clinton. In fact, he was shocked that that was being set up when

shocked that that was being set up when I was at the ranch. And he was like, "Oh

I was at the ranch. And he was like, "Oh my god, really?" I said, "Yeah." He

my god, really?" I said, "Yeah." He says, "What are you doing?" I said,

says, "What are you doing?" I said, "Well, I'm going to write Patterson Air

"Well, I'm going to write Patterson Air Force Base where some of the original

Force Base where some of the original Roswell bodies and stuff were taken.

Roswell bodies and stuff were taken. When I leave your ranch, I'm going

When I leave your ranch, I'm going straight there to meet with the director

straight there to meet with the director of that part of that compartmented

of that part of that compartmented operation."

operation." Well, you said in spring of 2023, uh,

Well, you said in spring of 2023, uh, before the election, a team of people

before the election, a team of people worked out, uh, reached out to you, uh,

worked out, uh, reached out to you, uh, who worked to black sites dealing with

who worked to black sites dealing with UAPs. Mhm.

UAPs. Mhm. And they were going to come forward with

And they were going to come forward with a bunch of evidence

a bunch of evidence talking about earlier. Yes. Yeah. But

talking about earlier. Yes. Yeah. But only a few seconds ended up being

only a few seconds ended up being released. That's right. What was

released. That's right. What was released exactly? Well, you saw the Jake

released exactly? Well, you saw the Jake Barber um, the egg. Aha. So that was

Barber um, the egg. Aha. So that was part of that same thing. Jake Barber was

part of that same thing. Jake Barber was part of that, right? Part of that. Yeah.

part of that, right? Part of that. Yeah. Aha. Okay. And but there's a great deal

Aha. Okay. And but there's a great deal more. What I'm what I said earlier, if

more. What I'm what I said earlier, if you remember my comment on that, was

you remember my comment on that, was that the plan was those folks were not

that the plan was those folks were not going to be known publicly and that it

going to be known publicly and that it would just be an enormous amount of of

would just be an enormous amount of of uh evidence and and materials and video

uh evidence and and materials and video and stuff of these sort of operations

and stuff of these sort of operations that would get released. and we were

that would get released. and we were gonna we actually built a blockchain

gonna we actually built a blockchain system to do it. We still have it. Um

system to do it. We still have it. Um but then it was decided that that would

but then it was decided that that would be too catastrophic and that there

be too catastrophic and that there weren't preparations adequate in either

weren't preparations adequate in either Congress or the White House to deal with

Congress or the White House to deal with it and that to kind of delay that. Okay.

it and that to kind of delay that. Okay. So that's how that's what I was

So that's how that's what I was referring to earlier. Yeah. Right. Well,

referring to earlier. Yeah. Right. Well, you It's not just him. There's a whole

you It's not just him. There's a whole group of folks. Yeah. it.

group of folks. Yeah. it. Well, you had you mentioned Michael

Well, you had you mentioned Michael Herrera before uh in this talk and you

Herrera before uh in this talk and you know there was a six-man unit that saw a

know there was a six-man unit that saw a hovering uh octagon UFO being loaded

hovering uh octagon UFO being loaded with weapons by unmarked US forces who

with weapons by unmarked US forces who threatened him at gunpoint in Indonesia.

threatened him at gunpoint in Indonesia. And you said he's the only guy I ever

And you said he's the only guy I ever heard who actually talked about this and

heard who actually talked about this and wasn't killed. Correct. I've never heard

wasn't killed. Correct. I've never heard of someone witnessing an operation like

of someone witnessing an operation like that who wasn't subsequently killed. So,

that who wasn't subsequently killed. So, everyone else who touched on this were

everyone else who touched on this were taken out. Not on that platoon. I think

taken out. Not on that platoon. I think that you he feels like the only reason

that you he feels like the only reason they didn't flat out kill him is that

they didn't flat out kill him is that there were a whole lot of his other

there were a whole lot of his other expeditionary force around. They would

expeditionary force around. They would have heard it, known they were missing,

have heard it, known they were missing, and would have caught that operation

and would have caught that operation red-handed. So I think they did a

red-handed. So I think they did a riskbenefit analysis decided let's let

riskbenefit analysis decided let's let these boys live right but then they when

these boys live right but then they when they went back on on the ship that their

they went back on on the ship that their their marine ship hooked up later I

their marine ship hooked up later I forget what port it's in its testimony

forget what port it's in its testimony and you know like some guys came on and

and you know like some guys came on and threatened them took their phones took

threatened them took their phones took everything and and basically and made

everything and and basically and made them sign non-disclosure agreements. So

them sign non-disclosure agreements. So his other five the other five men who

his other five the other five men who were with him are terrified to come

were with him are terrified to come forward. Herrera is a very courageous

forward. Herrera is a very courageous guy honestly. Um but he didn't know what

guy honestly. Um but he didn't know what was in that crate until Jake Barber was

was in that crate until Jake Barber was at the conference that I did in 2023 at

at the conference that I did in 2023 at the National Press Club and the the

the National Press Club and the the weekend before at the Marriott. and he

weekend before at the Marriott. and he saw that illustration we had done and he

saw that illustration we had done and he immediately texted me and we went to the

immediately texted me and we went to the green room where I was being held and he

green room where I was being held and he said, "Those aren't drugs. Those are

said, "Those aren't drugs. Those are people in there." I went, "What?"

people in there." I went, "What?" So, see, Michael Herrera didn't know. He

So, see, Michael Herrera didn't know. He just assumed it was drugs and guns being

just assumed it was drugs and guns being run by a clandestine operation because

run by a clandestine operation because they make a lot of money that way and

they make a lot of money that way and drug trade, very lucrative cash.

drug trade, very lucrative cash. No, these were uh people who were going

No, these were uh people who were going to be used in P3

to be used in P3 psionic training and

psionic training and experimentationists. So, which was even

experimentationists. So, which was even worse. So, oh my god, what's worse than

worse. So, oh my god, what's worse than transporting drugs through a clandestine

transporting drugs through a clandestine covert illegal operation is people,

covert illegal operation is people, right? And P3 stands for

right? And P3 stands for uh psionic

uh psionic potential. Sorry, I'm blocking on the

potential. Sorry, I'm blocking on the third, but it's basically telepathic.

third, but it's basically telepathic. Okay.

Okay. Capability. You know, a lot of what you

Capability. You know, a lot of what you do has the word disclosure in it. Mhm.

do has the word disclosure in it. Mhm. And uh Stephen Spielberg uh his latest

And uh Stephen Spielberg uh his latest film actually changed the title to

film actually changed the title to disclosure. I know. I should have

disclosure. I know. I should have copyrighted that,

copyrighted that, right? And I mean Spielberg has a

right? And I mean Spielberg has a history of doing things with aliens, you

history of doing things with aliens, you know, in terms of topics in his movies.

know, in terms of topics in his movies. The most famous of which uh well,

The most famous of which uh well, there's a few. There is Close Encounters

there's a few. There is Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Yeah, that's the best

of the Third Kind. Yeah, that's the best one. Uh there's also ET. ET. That was

one. Uh there's also ET. ET. That was sweet. Yeah. But uh Close Encounters of

sweet. Yeah. But uh Close Encounters of Third Kind uh there was a guy named

Third Kind uh there was a guy named Jacques Vali. Valet Valet. That's the

Jacques Vali. Valet Valet. That's the one who has that CIA document

one who has that CIA document abductions. Yeah. And he was actually

abductions. Yeah. And he was actually consultant on that film. Yes. And you

consultant on that film. Yes. And you know Jacques? Uh yes. I don't know him

know Jacques? Uh yes. I don't know him well. I know of him and met him. But and

well. I know of him and met him. But and also JL Heinek who had been head of

also JL Heinek who had been head of Project Blue Book was a consultant on

Project Blue Book was a consultant on the film. Okay. makes a cameo appearance

the film. Okay. makes a cameo appearance actually towards the end there as a

actually towards the end there as a bearded white-haired scientist. Yeah.

bearded white-haired scientist. Yeah. And he was the head of Project Blue Book

And he was the head of Project Blue Book for the Air Force that studied UFOs. I

for the Air Force that studied UFOs. I mean, when you see that film, Close

mean, when you see that film, Close Encounters, is there anything in there

Encounters, is there anything in there that's actually based on what you found

that's actually based on what you found or is it all fiction? No. Well, oh, it's

or is it all fiction? No. Well, oh, it's Hollywood, but actually most of what's

Hollywood, but actually most of what's portrayed, it's like a docu drama. uh

portrayed, it's like a docu drama. uh most of what what was in there was

most of what what was in there was portrayed based on actual events that

portrayed based on actual events that had happened. Um so I the way it was

had happened. Um so I the way it was explained to me uh I knew it when it was

explained to me uh I knew it when it was shown at the Reagan White House

shown at the Reagan White House uh President Reagan stood up and said

uh President Reagan stood up and said there are only a couple people in this

there are only a couple people in this room who know how true to life that film

room who know how true to life that film is. Okay. Wow. I know two. No, I know

is. Okay. Wow. I know two. No, I know three people I think two of them are

three people I think two of them are dead now who were in the screening at

dead now who were in the screening at the White House when they showed that.

the White House when they showed that. So, you know, it's a docu drama. Great

So, you know, it's a docu drama. Great classic movie. Now, this new one, I have

classic movie. Now, this new one, I have no idea what it'll be. Um I I don't know

no idea what it'll be. Um I I don't know Mr. Spielberg. I' I've met his son, Max,

Mr. Spielberg. I' I've met his son, Max, but I I don't know him. Well, Jacqu

but I I don't know him. Well, Jacqu Valet was actually there's a character

Valet was actually there's a character based on him in that film. Not only was

based on him in that film. Not only was he a consultant, but they actually had a

he a consultant, but they actually had a character. correct that I was portraying

character. correct that I was portraying to be him, right? You know, and you

to be him, right? You know, and you know, of course, ET with the the way ET

know, of course, ET with the the way ET looks, I mean, I don't know about the

looks, I mean, I don't know about the neck that goes up, but in general, these

neck that goes up, but in general, these are very alien looking kind of

are very alien looking kind of beings that you you know, you've seen in

beings that you you know, you've seen in Hollywood and you've seen and so forth,

Hollywood and you've seen and so forth, right? Um, was that based on anything or

right? Um, was that based on anything or was that just all fiction as well? Well,

was that just all fiction as well? Well, I mean, I think some of them probably

I mean, I think some of them probably resemble somewhat like that, but it's

resemble somewhat like that, but it's Hollywood. I mean, you're going to take,

Hollywood. I mean, you're going to take, you know, artistic license and do things

you know, artistic license and do things that look a way that would grab people

that look a way that would grab people visually, but um, you know, I I I'm sure

visually, but um, you know, I I I'm sure from what I understand, there are some

from what I understand, there are some ETs that would be similar to those. Um,

ETs that would be similar to those. Um, uh, there are some that have a very

uh, there are some that have a very triangular head, for example. We have

triangular head, for example. We have one that came to one of our C5 events

one that came to one of our C5 events that we have a photograph of that was I

that we have a photograph of that was I was here and a young medical student was

was here and a young medical student was here and the ET was there and you sat

here and the ET was there and you sat next to an ET. Yeah. You have you seen

next to an ET. Yeah. You have you seen the picture of it? I can I'll text it to

the picture of it? I can I'll text it to you. So you were right there with an a

you. So you were right there with an a living ET. Yeah. And there was an

living ET. Yeah. And there was an elderly man who had had his hearing loss

elderly man who had had his hearing loss since he was an a teenager. And that

since he was an a teenager. And that night he had contact with this being and

night he had contact with this being and it healed him of his healing loss. No

it healed him of his healing loss. No one's on drugs either. This is a cool

one's on drugs either. This is a cool picture. Okay. Is it in one of these

picture. Okay. Is it in one of these books that you gave me? Um I'm not sure

books that you gave me? Um I'm not sure if it is. Um but you're going to text me

if it is. Um but you're going to text me a picture. Sure. If you want it. You

a picture. Sure. If you want it. You want to do it right now? So so we we

want to do it right now? So so we we don't forget. I thought you had seen the

don't forget. I thought you had seen the movie Close Encounters of the Fifth

movie Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. Of the Fifth Kind. Yeah. What's

Kind. Of the Fifth Kind. Yeah. What's that? You need to see this is on the

that? You need to see this is on the record. Everyone needs to see Close

record. Everyone needs to see Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind. Okay. I

Encounters of the Fifth Kind. Okay. I haven't seen them all. You've seen this?

haven't seen them all. You've seen this? Oh, yeah. It's it it is amazing. Who

Oh, yeah. It's it it is amazing. Who made it? Oh. Oh, this is yours. Ah,

made it? Oh. Oh, this is yours. Ah, okay.

okay. And what is a fifth kind encounter? It's

And what is a fifth kind encounter? It's where we intend and invite them to come.

where we intend and invite them to come. Ahu. Yeah. Right. Because a close

Ahu. Yeah. Right. Because a close encounter, the third kind is contact,

encounter, the third kind is contact, right? It's just when you see a

right? It's just when you see a biological even

biological even et Yeah, I'll send you one and and then

et Yeah, I'll send you one and and then another one. This is at night, full

another one. This is at night, full darkness. Okay. And you'll like this, I

darkness. Okay. And you'll like this, I think. And then I have another cool one

think. And then I have another cool one where there it was so cold we went

where there it was so cold we went inside and there were these two ETs that

inside and there were these two ETs that sat in our chairs that have these

sat in our chairs that have these conicle heads. It's less clear, but it's

conicle heads. It's less clear, but it's very cool. And then there was this cool,

very cool. And then there was this cool, my favorite is this one. is so abstract,

my favorite is this one. is so abstract, but um I call this the sort of a light

but um I call this the sort of a light being where it's an advanced species

being where it's an advanced species that's so advanced. You know, we talked

that's so advanced. You know, we talked about the different types of alien

about the different types of alien species. There's like 69 that we

species. There's like 69 that we potentially know of. Now, what's the

potentially know of. Now, what's the difference between extraterrestrials

difference between extraterrestrials versus light entities or

versus light entities or interdimensional beings or plasmoids?

interdimensional beings or plasmoids? Great question and it it causes a lot of

Great question and it it causes a lot of confusion. So, on my YouTube channel,

confusion. So, on my YouTube channel, I've just started my own podcast, the

I've just started my own podcast, the Dr. Steven Grier to show and every week

Dr. Steven Grier to show and every week you can get update on what's going on.

you can get update on what's going on. Now, in one of the YouTube uh videos on

Now, in one of the YouTube uh videos on that

that site, excuse me, it has a whole deep

site, excuse me, it has a whole deep dive into what I call ETSs and the new

dive into what I call ETSs and the new cosmology. What kind of understanding of

cosmology. What kind of understanding of the cosmos is needed. I think one of the

the cosmos is needed. I think one of the biggest sources of confusion on this

biggest sources of confusion on this subject is the

subject is the co-mingling and confusion between

co-mingling and confusion between interstellar, extraterrestrial,

interstellar, extraterrestrial, biological entities in their craft,

biological entities in their craft, man-made lookalikes. And the third

man-made lookalikes. And the third people call extradimensional or

people call extradimensional or interdimensional entities. Um, and

interdimensional entities. Um, and that's where you get folks who confuse

that's where you get folks who confuse something that's from another dimension

something that's from another dimension with something from another star system.

with something from another star system. And the reason there's a lot of

And the reason there's a lot of confusion on it, part of it's deliberate

confusion on it, part of it's deliberate is sort of where they want to shove

is sort of where they want to shove paranormal onto UFO science. Uh, and

paranormal onto UFO science. Uh, and it's risky because when you start

it's risky because when you start dealing with extradimensional,

dealing with extradimensional, interdimensional, are you talking about

interdimensional, are you talking about angels, demons, buggs, your greatg

angels, demons, buggs, your greatg grandmother who pops into this dimension

grandmother who pops into this dimension like a poltergeist phenomenon? What are

like a poltergeist phenomenon? What are you talking about? So, it's not helpful.

you talking about? So, it's not helpful. And what's what I have seen happen and I

And what's what I have seen happen and I think it's deliberate. I think it's an

think it's deliberate. I think it's an attempt to offiscate confuse people and

attempt to offiscate confuse people and offiscation is a very good term. You

offiscation is a very good term. You know they sort of mix it all together

know they sort of mix it all together and confuse people looking into this is

and confuse people looking into this is that they will deliberately blend into

that they will deliberately blend into uh ufology and ET. You know I like being

uh ufology and ET. You know I like being specific. So I don't like the term

specific. So I don't like the term alien. Alien means all the above because

alien. Alien means all the above because whatever people think they don't know

whatever people think they don't know it's alien it's foreign therefore it's

it's alien it's foreign therefore it's alien now I'm very specific okay you're

alien now I'm very specific okay you're going to hear a little bit of the

going to hear a little bit of the obsessive compulsive doctor part come

obsessive compulsive doctor part come out here but

out here but um I speak of even extraterrestrial

um I speak of even extraterrestrial biological entities who are from other

biological entities who are from other star systems right specific that's when

star systems right specific that's when I say a UFO or

I say a UFO or ET and make a very clear distinction

ET and make a very clear distinction between that and the man-made craft and

between that and the man-made craft and critters that are

critters that are simulate ETSs that are used in deceptive

simulate ETSs that are used in deceptive operations. And actually the proper name

operations. And actually the proper name for false flag at the Pentagon is a

for false flag at the Pentagon is a deceptive indication and warning

deceptive indication and warning deceptive IMW. So the other is this

deceptive IMW. So the other is this extradimensional or interdimensional

extradimensional or interdimensional phenomenon kind of like Stranger Things

phenomenon kind of like Stranger Things and that's real and you can actually

and that's real and you can actually have physical phenomenon happen and

have physical phenomenon happen and things that you see that aren't

things that you see that aren't extraterrestrial or man-made but that

extraterrestrial or man-made but that are from another dimension. So, three

are from another dimension. So, three things. It's very simple. Real ET,

things. It's very simple. Real ET, man-made UFOs, and fake ETs, and things

man-made UFOs, and fake ETs, and things from other dimensions that are weird.

from other dimensions that are weird. And one of one of the things I think is

And one of one of the things I think is is dangerous about that is that if you

is dangerous about that is that if you don't have enough knowledge to make a

don't have enough knowledge to make a discernment of it, you put them all

discernment of it, you put them all together and there you're lost. Now

together and there you're lost. Now you're lost forever. I think his wife

you're lost forever. I think his wife Tucker Carlson um who's a conservative

Tucker Carlson um who's a conservative talk show host now he's been going

talk show host now he's been going around saying well the aliens are demons

around saying well the aliens are demons and they're demonic and

and they're demonic and they're because he has been

they're because he has been targeted with that same crowd of

targeted with that same crowd of disinformation people with this

disinformation people with this combination

combination of UFOs non and that's why I don't like

of UFOs non and that's why I don't like the term NHI or non-human human

the term NHI or non-human human intelligence. Well, non-human is what?

intelligence. Well, non-human is what? Dolphins. Some say they're more

Dolphins. Some say they're more intelligent than humans. Wouldn't be

intelligent than humans. Wouldn't be hard to be uh

hard to be uh citations. Uh something from another

citations. Uh something from another dimension. Someone from another planet.

dimension. Someone from another planet. So, I think the lack of clarity on the

So, I think the lack of clarity on the language is actually deliberate and I

language is actually deliberate and I think it's done to confuse people and to

think it's done to confuse people and to confuse the phenomena plural. So you

confuse the phenomena plural. So you have multiple phenomena going on all

have multiple phenomena going on all being talked about as if it's the same

being talked about as if it's the same thing. Not helpful at all. In fact, it's

thing. Not helpful at all. In fact, it's very harmful. And I love when I was at

very harmful. And I love when I was at the Vatican years ago when Pope John

the Vatican years ago when Pope John Paul was was Pope, his senior

Paul was was Pope, his senior theologian, great guy named Monsor

theologian, great guy named Monsor Balduchi and he

Balduchi and he said neither angels nor demons need

said neither angels nor demons need flying saucers. And he was so it was so

flying saucers. And he was so it was so simple and he was a demonologist. He was

simple and he was a demonologist. He was like the top demonologist at the

like the top demonologist at the Vatican, you know, kind of creepy stuff.

Vatican, you know, kind of creepy stuff. But um but he says, "No, no, it is

But um but he says, "No, no, it is totally separate." And but I think there

totally separate." And but I think there is an a deliberate attempt in certain

is an a deliberate attempt in certain quarters to conflate, confuse all this

quarters to conflate, confuse all this different phenomena. I'm so glad you

different phenomena. I'm so glad you asked it because uh it's actually one of

asked it because uh it's actually one of the very first things in the briefing

the very first things in the briefing document on on the one pager uh for

document on on the one pager uh for leaders in our country and elsewhere is

leaders in our country and elsewhere is you know these this is what's being

you know these this is what's being confused. So let's get some clarity here

confused. So let's get some clarity here and get get a get our uh you know

and get get a get our uh you know lexicon our our word usage down

lexicon our our word usage down accurately because otherwise it's you're

accurately because otherwise it's you're you're talking around each other. You

you're talking around each other. You know what are you talking about? Uh now

know what are you talking about? Uh now there's another subcategory of

there's another subcategory of extradimensional or interdimensional and

extradimensional or interdimensional and that's

that's humaninduced

humaninduced extradimensional. So let's say you

extradimensional. So let's say you figured out some very sophisticated

figured out some very sophisticated physics electronics at certain

physics electronics at certain frequencies you can tap into another

frequencies you can tap into another dimension and pull something out of that

dimension and pull something out of that dimension into 3D. It's not

dimension into 3D. It's not extraterrestrial. It's not in it's not

extraterrestrial. It's not in it's not innately coming in. It's induced. That's

innately coming in. It's induced. That's what skinwalker is. That's what the

what skinwalker is. That's what the Bradshaw ranch

Bradshaw ranch is. And I know how they do it. I know

is. And I know how they do it. I know who's doing it. Why they're doing it,

who's doing it. Why they're doing it, right? But that's not the same as

right? But that's not the same as extraterrestrial. So, you know, here's

extraterrestrial. So, you know, here's one of the problems we have.

one of the problems we have. You know, I said this earlier, a little

You know, I said this earlier, a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing

knowledge is a very dangerous thing because what happens is when you don't

because what happens is when you don't have enough information. It's it's a

have enough information. It's it's a very confusing picture. And in that

very confusing picture. And in that confusion, you can be led to reach the

confusion, you can be led to reach the wrong

wrong conclusions. And that's what's going on

conclusions. And that's what's going on in the US government and in the public

in the US government and in the public and in the media. Are you familiar with

and in the media. Are you familiar with the term cognitive dissonance?

the term cognitive dissonance? Yeah. Now some people have accused

Yeah. Now some people have accused people like you of cognitive dissonance

people like you of cognitive dissonance in the terms of this like we understand

in the terms of this like we understand that within this solar system there are

that within this solar system there are no aliens there are no innate ones that

no aliens there are no innate ones that right that we know of you go to any

right that we know of you go to any other planet you know we've looked at

other planet you know we've looked at Mars you know Pluto there's probably no

Mars you know Pluto there's probably no life you know Saturn etc etc etc so if

life you know Saturn etc etc etc so if there are aliens they are from very far

there are aliens they are from very far away And even at light speeded travel,

away And even at light speeded travel, they would die on their way here. So a

they would die on their way here. So a concept that you use yourself is that

concept that you use yourself is that they travel interdimensionally. Yep.

they travel interdimensionally. Yep. Meaning that they don't travel the way

Meaning that they don't travel the way that other physics objects in physics

that other physics objects in physics travel. They travel through a different

travel. They travel through a different means. Could someone say, "Well, that's

means. Could someone say, "Well, that's just cognitive dissonance. You're just

just cognitive dissonance. You're just creating a since science doesn't support

creating a since science doesn't support what you're, you know, implying, you

what you're, you know, implying, you create a whole new type of science that

create a whole new type of science that can't necessarily be proven. No.

can't necessarily be proven. No. Everything I'm saying it has been proven

Everything I'm saying it has been proven is proven. And by the way, I always say

is proven. And by the way, I always say these are TDIs. It's transdimensional

these are TDIs. It's transdimensional interstellar. So you're not going to go

interstellar. So you're not going to go in a straight line. You know, it's you

in a straight line. You know, it's you can't go to the speed of light and stay

can't go to the speed of light and stay linear. You have to drop out of linear

linear. You have to drop out of linear spaceime. you know, it's like an

spaceime. you know, it's like an Einstein Rosen Bridge if you look that

Einstein Rosen Bridge if you look that up or um you know, so you know, instead

up or um you know, so you know, instead of it being a straight line, here's you

of it being a straight line, here's you know, you're from here to here, look at

know, you're from here to here, look at it as as a plane, one point, two points,

it as as a plane, one point, two points, you know, you take it like a piece of

you know, you take it like a piece of paper and fold it. So, it's right here.

paper and fold it. So, it's right here. So, it's folding spaceime and that's the

So, it's folding spaceime and that's the gravitational wave effect. And you have

gravitational wave effect. And you have that ability. Now just because it's not

that ability. Now just because it's not being taught at MIT doesn't mean it

being taught at MIT doesn't mean it doesn't exist because these are

doesn't exist because these are classified technologies. But uh yeah I

classified technologies. But uh yeah I mean I mean this concept I mean is like

mean I mean this concept I mean is like a wrinkle in time Narnia right where

a wrinkle in time Narnia right where they actually take time instead of a

they actually take time instead of a straight line you kind of jumble the

straight line you kind of jumble the line together so you can jump but but

line together so you can jump but but that's the whole point of the conscious

that's the whole point of the conscious quantum holographic universe. If you

quantum holographic universe. If you read the studies on quantum

read the studies on quantum holography you every point in time this

holography you every point in time this is quantum entanglement. every point in

is quantum entanglement. every point in time in space is connected to each

time in space is connected to each other. Now, that's been proven

other. Now, that's been proven scientifically on the particle level.

scientifically on the particle level. What we're talking about civilization is

What we're talking about civilization is advanced enough to do it on the macro

advanced enough to do it on the macro level. A spacecraft full of people or

level. A spacecraft full of people or whatever. And uh now the fact that it

whatever. And uh now the fact that it doesn't comport with the textbooks on

doesn't comport with the textbooks on physics at MIT. So what I mean we're

physics at MIT. So what I mean we're like one half to step out of the jungle

like one half to step out of the jungle scientifically as a species. I mean

scientifically as a species. I mean couple hundred years ago we had what?

couple hundred years ago we had what? Nothing. horses and buggies and yeah, so

Nothing. horses and buggies and yeah, so I mean and you're you're talking about a

I mean and you're you're talking about a universe is, you know, 15 billion years

universe is, you know, 15 billion years old or something. So I I think that this

old or something. So I I think that this gets into this whole discussion of not

gets into this whole discussion of not everything that can be known is known in

everything that can be known is known in in the conventional scientific world. In

in the conventional scientific world. In fact, I'd say most everything we don't

fact, I'd say most everything we don't know. I don't know. Nobody knows. It's

know. I don't know. Nobody knows. It's just this huge vastness. But certainly

just this huge vastness. But certainly when you're dealing with civilization

when you're dealing with civilization and we can prove those are here because

and we can prove those are here because we have the bodies and the craft and all

we have the bodies and the craft and all this stuff. Well, how they get here?

this stuff. Well, how they get here? Well, they're not using the space

Well, they're not using the space shuttle and they're not using uh SpaceX

shuttle and they're not using uh SpaceX and a rocket. They're not. So then what

and a rocket. They're not. So then what are they using? That's the technology

are they using? That's the technology we're talking about and it's been

we're talking about and it's been studied and developed. Uh I think that

studied and developed. Uh I think that this is a a big I always call this the

this is a a big I always call this the big peace dividend down the road. Phase

big peace dividend down the road. Phase one of disclosing this will be the

one of disclosing this will be the energy technologies that will just get

energy technologies that will just get rid of poverty and and and the damage

rid of poverty and and and the damage we're doing to the biosphere and the

we're doing to the biosphere and the oceans. Step two, once we have something

oceans. Step two, once we have something resembling a peaceful civilization, what

resembling a peaceful civilization, what Mikaku calls a level one civilization

Mikaku calls a level one civilization where we're not killing each other and

where we're not killing each other and destroying the

destroying the biosphere. Once we become stable from

biosphere. Once we become stable from that point of view and we're no longer

that point of view and we're no longer just killing each other over nonsense

just killing each other over nonsense like we are now all over the world, then

like we are now all over the world, then we can bring out the things that fly. So

we can bring out the things that fly. So you'll be able to go from here to Paris

you'll be able to go from here to Paris in three or four minutes and that'd be

in three or four minutes and that'd be cool. Go there for lunch, come back.

cool. Go there for lunch, come back. That's totally doable there already with

That's totally doable there already with technologies that exist. But you can't

technologies that exist. But you can't let that out now because if you let that

let that out now because if you let that out now, it's a missile delivery system

out now, it's a missile delivery system for every terrorist in Moadishu. Well, I

for every terrorist in Moadishu. Well, I mean, there has to be a process. Yeah. I

mean, there has to be a process. Yeah. I mean, if you can go from here to Paris

mean, if you can go from here to Paris in a couple minutes, that means you

in a couple minutes, that means you could travel to Mars in what, a couple

could travel to Mars in what, a couple hours, maybe about Oh, yeah. Well,

hours, maybe about Oh, yeah. Well, really, when you ramp these things up in

really, when you ramp these things up in 30 seconds, that's with the band 30

30 seconds, that's with the band 30 seconds to Mars. I gave a talk a long

seconds to Mars. I gave a talk a long time ago about getting to Mars in 30

time ago about getting to Mars in 30 seconds. So, right. So, yeah. But see,

seconds. So, right. So, yeah. But see, which means that you could actually

which means that you could actually reach

reach other planets that have Earthlike

other planets that have Earthlike uh environments. We haven't been allowed

uh environments. We haven't been allowed in a human lifetime. Yes. Oh, it it the

in a human lifetime. Yes. Oh, it it the next day or couple days. The the reason

next day or couple days. The the reason we're not allowed to do that at this

we're not allowed to do that at this point is that the extraterrestrial

point is that the extraterrestrial civilizations don't want us out there

civilizations don't want us out there too far until we become civilized. Now,

too far until we become civilized. Now, people say, "Oh, we are so we're not

people say, "Oh, we are so we're not civiliz on a Saturday night if you

civiliz on a Saturday night if you think." What you're saying is the aliens

think." What you're saying is the aliens have human civilization on a short

have human civilization on a short leash.

leash. They're they're watching what we do to

They're they're watching what we do to see if we actually make it through this

see if we actually make it through this transition. Okay. Now, there are

transition. Okay. Now, there are civilizations that have never made it

civilizations that have never made it through this transition. uh and make

through this transition. uh and make themselves extinct because of their

themselves extinct because of their foolishness. And we might be one of

foolishness. And we might be one of them. We may be. Well, this is to this

them. We may be. Well, this is to this is to be determined, my friend. We're on

is to be determined, my friend. We're on our way to that. Yeah. Yeah, we are. I

our way to that. Yeah. Yeah, we are. I mean, you know, it's like when when uh

mean, you know, it's like when when uh Colonel Bearden said, "Now, don't get me

Colonel Bearden said, "Now, don't get me wrong." He's from Louisiana. Highest IQ.

wrong." He's from Louisiana. Highest IQ. One of the highest IQ guys I ever met.

One of the highest IQ guys I ever met. He said, "Now, don't get me wrong. The

He said, "Now, don't get me wrong. The fools may blow it yet." He's a great

fools may blow it yet." He's a great interview with with uh Colonel Beard and

interview with with uh Colonel Beard and it's in our archive. Brilliant guy.

it's in our archive. Brilliant guy. absolutely brilliant um phys physics and

absolutely brilliant um phys physics and you know he had been a lieutenant

you know he had been a lieutenant colonel army uh knew about all the new

colonel army uh knew about all the new energy free energy stuff just a genius

energy free energy stuff just a genius uh but I think that is the big question

uh but I think that is the big question so it is sort of an existential question

so it is sort of an existential question and crisis you know the only way here's

and crisis you know the only way here's sort of the bottom line on that the only

sort of the bottom line on that the only way we can go forward and have a society

way we can go forward and have a society here that's is that we become peaceful

here that's is that we become peaceful And we can't go out into space and be a

And we can't go out into space and be a bunch of war mongering fools either. So

bunch of war mongering fools either. So that's why we need a space treaty. We

that's why we need a space treaty. We need a treaty that says we're not going

need a treaty that says we're not going to put weapons out in space. We're not

to put weapons out in space. We're not going to target these ET assets. We're

going to target these ET assets. We're going to stand those systems down. We're

going to stand those systems down. We're going to do a an official C5 ambassador

going to do a an official C5 ambassador outreach these civilizations. So instead

outreach these civilizations. So instead of shooting them out of the skies and

of shooting them out of the skies and hijacking them and shooting them, we're

hijacking them and shooting them, we're going to create a global rap and

going to create a global rap and peaceful approach to them, which is what

peaceful approach to them, which is what should have happened in the 50s.

should have happened in the 50s. Eisenhower wanted that to happen. He got

Eisenhower wanted that to happen. He got subverted. This is why no president has

subverted. This is why no president has control over those covert programs since

control over those covert programs since Eisenhower, since about 56, 57, 58.

Eisenhower, since about 56, 57, 58. Well, uh, Dr. Steven Greer, you actually

Well, uh, Dr. Steven Greer, you actually brought someone with you, uh, Tony

brought someone with you, uh, Tony Ferrer, who is a former commercial pilot

Ferrer, who is a former commercial pilot who actually worked for a major airline

who actually worked for a major airline for 25 years, and you've actually had

for 25 years, and you've actually had experience with UFOs. Yes, I have. Well,

experience with UFOs. Yes, I have. Well, tell me what you've seen.

tell me what you've seen. Well, um I've seen many uh while flying

Well, um I've seen many uh while flying uh but

uh but um

um probably some of the more interesting

probably some of the more interesting ones I'll say

ones I'll say uh would be an orb appearing in front of

uh would be an orb appearing in front of me that u not too far that would seem

me that u not too far that would seem that it would be another airplane let's

that it would be another airplane let's say about the same altitude bright quite

say about the same altitude bright quite large larger than It would be an

large larger than It would be an airplane that would have its landing

airplane that would have its landing lights on because at up at altitude with

lights on because at up at altitude with the landing lights on, it could appear

the landing lights on, it could appear like a UFO, but this would be larger

like a UFO, but this would be larger than that and I'd be observing it. Uh,

than that and I'd be observing it. Uh, this particular one looked at the

this particular one looked at the co-pilot and he seen the same thing. In

co-pilot and he seen the same thing. In this particular case, I was about to ask

this particular case, I was about to ask air traffic control LA center at the

air traffic control LA center at the time if there was a plane or something

time if there was a plane or something in front of us and then it didn't

in front of us and then it didn't materialize right in front of our eyes,

materialize right in front of our eyes, change colors like in the blink of an

change colors like in the blink of an eye and then

eye and then disappeared. That was one. Another one.

Um, we see again actually we're observing the satellite up in the sky

observing the satellite up in the sky and then right in that same

and then right in that same direction a little bit lower and much

direction a little bit lower and much closer cuz I know what satellites look

closer cuz I know what satellites look like, right? And we're commenting, me

like, right? And we're commenting, me and the co-pilot on the satellite that

and the co-pilot on the satellite that we're observing. This light appears in

we're observing. This light appears in front of us. And I've seen many, like I

front of us. And I've seen many, like I said, over the years cuz I'm looking.

said, over the years cuz I'm looking. People have asked me, Tony, why why is

People have asked me, Tony, why why is it that you see so many? I said, well,

it that you see so many? I said, well, for one, you got to be looking and I'm

for one, you got to be looking and I'm constantly looking because I've had an

constantly looking because I've had an interest in this most of my life. So,

interest in this most of my life. So, anyways, this light, you know, just

anyways, this light, you know, just another light appeared in front right in

another light appeared in front right in front of us in the same direction that

front of us in the same direction that the satellite was at, but much closer in

the satellite was at, but much closer in year. And I said to my uh co-pilot, this

year. And I said to my uh co-pilot, this was the first time we'd seen something

was the first time we'd seen something like that. I said, "Keep your eye on

like that. I said, "Keep your eye on it." And

it." And uh I'd say maybe 3 seconds goes by and

uh I'd say maybe 3 seconds goes by and then it dimmed and then shot to the

then it dimmed and then shot to the left. Right.

left. Right. Just like a blink of eye, right? Well,

Just like a blink of eye, right? Well, do commercial uh planes do they have

do commercial uh planes do they have some sort of video recording equipment

some sort of video recording equipment that happens or No, that's not a thing.

that happens or No, that's not a thing. No. So, you'd have to pull out your cell

No. So, you'd have to pull out your cell phone and actually record it. Yeah. Now,

phone and actually record it. Yeah. Now, we talked about how you were a pilot for

we talked about how you were a pilot for 25 years.

25 years. I mean, yeah, 20 years ago, phones

I mean, yeah, 20 years ago, phones didn't really have cameras. I get it.

didn't really have cameras. I get it. This, you know, in the last five to 10

This, you know, in the last five to 10 years, video cameras improved on iPhones

years, video cameras improved on iPhones and so forth. So, correct. Did you ever

and so forth. So, correct. Did you ever have a good quality cell phone with you

have a good quality cell phone with you where you actually pulled out your phone

where you actually pulled out your phone and recorded it during the day

and recorded it during the day at night? No. But because I've shared my

at night? No. But because I've shared my stories with colleagues, friends that

stories with colleagues, friends that are pilots, uh, and also mentioned to

are pilots, uh, and also mentioned to them, you know, have the presence of

them, you know, have the presence of mind to pull your phone and record it. I

mind to pull your phone and record it. I do have pictures on my phone that

do have pictures on my phone that friends have taken at night of lights.

friends have taken at night of lights. And recently, there's been a lot of

And recently, there's been a lot of reports of it. I mean, we're hearing it

reports of it. I mean, we're hearing it all over uh from different sources of

all over uh from different sources of pilots actually recording these, but uh

pilots actually recording these, but uh during at night, you wouldn't be able to

during at night, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference from the picture

tell the difference from the picture that I

that I took from the stars out there and

took from the stars out there and sometimes the flash on the will be on

sometimes the flash on the will be on the phone just lights up the cockpit.

the phone just lights up the cockpit. Excuse me. But I have a very clear uh

Excuse me. But I have a very clear uh one of an orb uh on my way over to uh

one of an orb uh on my way over to uh over the Pacific uh from the mainland to

over the Pacific uh from the mainland to Hawaii that I recorded. I mean, based on

Hawaii that I recorded. I mean, based on your relationship with uh Steven Greer

your relationship with uh Steven Greer and all the information he shared over

and all the information he shared over the years, do you think these are

the years, do you think these are extraterrestrial machines or are they

extraterrestrial machines or are they man-made, humanmade machines that are

man-made, humanmade machines that are made to look like something

made to look like something extraterrestrial? That's a very good

extraterrestrial? That's a very good question. Uh,

both. And I can tell you this

And I can tell you this might be uh interesting disc but plays

might be uh interesting disc but plays into the C5, you know, work that we've

into the C5, you know, work that we've been doing. There have been times that

been doing. There have been times that I'll be in the cockpit, you know,

I'll be in the cockpit, you know, looking at the

looking at the sky at night usually, you know, and

sky at night usually, you know, and after usually on cross country, you

after usually on cross country, you know, transcon flights where we're

know, transcon flights where we're flying for hours on end and it gets

flying for hours on end and it gets boring after a while, you know, we

boring after a while, you know, we converse, we chat, we talk, you know, in

converse, we chat, we talk, you know, in the cockpit amongst ourselves, visit,

the cockpit amongst ourselves, visit, and then we run out of stuff to do. So,

and then we run out of stuff to do. So, I tend to dim down the lights in the

I tend to dim down the lights in the cockpit and uh and I look for shooting

cockpit and uh and I look for shooting stars or the skies out there and uh

stars or the skies out there and uh and I'll often get into or did you know

and I'll often get into or did you know retired now so we get into a meditative

retired now so we get into a meditative state

state while flying a plane? Yeah. You don't

while flying a plane? Yeah. You don't see anything wrong with that? I'm in a

see anything wrong with that? I'm in a meditative state right now.

meditative state right now. But there's also not 500 people

But there's also not 500 people depending on you being completely

depending on you being completely conscious during this time. You can fall

conscious during this time. You can fall asleep if you want and no one will be

asleep if you want and no one will be hurt. The metastate meditative state

hurt. The metastate meditative state that I'm talking about is one of

that I'm talking about is one of heightened consciousness awareness. It's

heightened consciousness awareness. It's the opposite of what you're talking

the opposite of what you're talking about. It's the opposite of what I'm

about. It's the opposite of what I'm talking about. 100%. Got it. Yeah. Well,

talking about. 100%. Got it. Yeah. Well, by the way, your best top gun pilots

by the way, your best top gun pilots have that faculty. Okay. I see which is

have that faculty. Okay. I see which is just a hyper focus. Yeah. Have you heard

just a hyper focus. Yeah. Have you heard the term of being in the zone? Yes. Mhm.

the term of being in the zone? Yes. Mhm. That's what you're talking about.

That's what you're talking about. Similar. Got it. Yeah. Well, I looked it

Similar. Got it. Yeah. Well, I looked it up. Commercial airplanes are equipped

up. Commercial airplanes are equipped with AWR, airborne weather radar.

with AWR, airborne weather radar. Correct. Right. Now, would this type of

Correct. Right. Now, would this type of radar detect other ships close by?

radar detect other ships close by? Not the

Not the radar. We have TCAST, which stands for

radar. We have TCAST, which stands for traffic collision avoidance systems.

traffic collision avoidance systems. Aha. Right. that detects other

Aha. Right. that detects other aircrafts, but not ET or man-made. So,

aircrafts, but not ET or man-made. So, you're saying that this radar you had

you're saying that this radar you had didn't detect any of these ships? No.

didn't detect any of these ships? No. No. Uh, for one, they're beyond the

No. Uh, for one, they're beyond the range of the coverage of uh Mhm. Oh, so

range of the coverage of uh Mhm. Oh, so they're far off. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I mean

they're far off. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I mean they and when I say far off the traffic

they and when I say far off the traffic collision avoidance system typically

collision avoidance system typically doesn't go beyond like 20 30 40 50 miles

doesn't go beyond like 20 30 40 50 miles you know uh miles. Yeah. So you're

you know uh miles. Yeah. So you're saying they're farther than 50 miles.

saying they're farther than 50 miles. Well, some of them come to and I say the

Well, some of them come to and I say the radar, you know, the radar could go

radar, you know, the radar could go beyond that. But you're describing these

beyond that. But you're describing these ships as being relatively close. Oh,

ships as being relatively close. Oh, yeah. Well, some are in I would estimate

yeah. Well, some are in I would estimate to be in inner orbit. Some of them could

to be in inner orbit. Some of them could be in outer orbit, but some Yes. Uh

be in outer orbit, but some Yes. Uh close. The the one that I recorded

close. The the one that I recorded during the day, I would estimate that it

during the day, I would estimate that it was maybe just a couple of thousand feet

was maybe just a couple of thousand feet above us. But it's really hard to know

above us. But it's really hard to know the distance or the size because you

the distance or the size because you don't have a reference point. you know,

don't have a reference point. you know, if there are clouds uh that, you know,

if there are clouds uh that, you know, uh are nearby that we know what their

uh are nearby that we know what their altitude is and it's a on this side of

altitude is and it's a on this side of the cloud, then we could estimate, but

the cloud, then we could estimate, but other than that, it's just like really

other than that, it's just like really hard to know. You're just guessing at

hard to know. You're just guessing at that point. Well, uh Dr. Steven Greer,

that point. Well, uh Dr. Steven Greer, it's our third time. Definitely

it's our third time. Definitely appreciate it and I appreciate you

appreciate it and I appreciate you bringing Tony Ferrero with you. Well,

bringing Tony Ferrero with you. Well, he's he's out here helping. He's a great

he's he's out here helping. He's a great guy. Been with our team for years and

guy. Been with our team for years and another another person. We have lots and

another another person. We have lots and lots of pilots on our team who are

lots of pilots on our team who are commercial. Yeah. Uh we have American

commercial. Yeah. Uh we have American Airlines uh captain who flies air press

Airlines uh captain who flies air press 321s on our team. We have a lot. When I

321s on our team. We have a lot. When I go through airports, I get stopped a lot

go through airports, I get stopped a lot by pilots and they'll pull me aside,

by pilots and they'll pull me aside, tell me there's account of what

tell me there's account of what happened. Um so, uh yeah, it it's

happened. Um so, uh yeah, it it's there's actually thousands of reported

there's actually thousands of reported cases. Yeah. Uh they don't make their

cases. Yeah. Uh they don't make their way into the media or into any

way into the media or into any government reporting system. And u a lot

government reporting system. And u a lot of times when it's a very close

of times when it's a very close encounter

encounter uh the pilots uh don't know what to do

uh the pilots uh don't know what to do about how to report it and often they're

about how to report it and often they're told don't report it or or they'll

told don't report it or or they'll report it and it just never makes it up

report it and it just never makes it up the chain of command. Tony, did you ever

the chain of command. Tony, did you ever try to report any of your sightings?

try to report any of your sightings? Absolutely not. Why? Not correct.

Absolutely not. Why? Not correct. Because for one, you know, as a

Because for one, you know, as a representative of the airline, Mhm. it's

representative of the airline, Mhm. it's not a subject that you want to be

not a subject that you want to be talking about publicly because it kind

talking about publicly because it kind of puts you in a position that

of puts you in a position that might not look good for the airline. So,

might not look good for the airline. So, what you're saying is they might think

what you're saying is they might think you're crazy and they fire you because

you're crazy and they fire you because that would be the worst case scenario.

that would be the worst case scenario. They would. No, I wouldn't say that they

They would. No, I wouldn't say that they would fire me, but you know, it

would fire me, but you know, it it it's not something that you would

it it's not something that you would want to really be bringing up. Could you

want to really be bringing up. Could you hand me the book, the not the hard

hand me the book, the not the hard cover, the other one?

All right. This is this very famous air air air air

is this very famous air air air air airliner 747 heavy Japan Airlines flying

airliner 747 heavy Japan Airlines flying the polar route from Paris to

the polar route from Paris to Tokyo. The one of the best most

Tokyo. The one of the best most documented cases in history. Yes. This

documented cases in history. Yes. This case happened in the 80s. And it was on

case happened in the 80s. And it was on radar. It was on board. Yes. It was on

radar. It was on board. Yes. It was on ground military radar. It was on ground

ground military radar. It was on ground FAA radar and this the object was the

FAA radar and this the object was the size of an aircraft carrier that in one

size of an aircraft carrier that in one sweep of the radar could go from one

sweep of the radar could go from one direction to 180° over virtually

direction to 180° over virtually teleported. Now this case that

teleported. Now this case that pilot because it got reported was put on

pilot because it got reported was put on desk duty by Japan Airlines until a

desk duty by Japan Airlines until a friend of mine Dr. Richard Haynes who

friend of mine Dr. Richard Haynes who was with NASA uh Ames Research Center

was with NASA uh Ames Research Center went over to Japan and said no this is

went over to Japan and said no this is real and the guy has nothing wrong with

real and the guy has nothing wrong with him but they actually penalized that

him but they actually penalized that pilot for reporting this. Now,

pilot for reporting this. Now, interestingly, if you go into

interestingly, if you go into our briefing materials that we've given

our briefing materials that we've given you, the briefing document anyone can

you, the briefing document anyone can get now or our archive, you'll see that

get now or our archive, you'll see that one of our witnesses is John Callahan,

one of our witnesses is John Callahan, who was the senior the head of

who was the senior the head of investigations and accidents for the

investigations and accidents for the FAA. He gave me and I possess the

FAA. He gave me and I possess the original FAA radar and all the digital

original FAA radar and all the digital data of this event, not a copy. The CIA

data of this event, not a copy. The CIA thought they confiscated the copy. He

thought they confiscated the copy. He kept it when he retired, gave it to us,

kept it when he retired, gave it to us, the disclosure project. So when I run

the disclosure project. So when I run into people who go, "Where's the

into people who go, "Where's the evidence?" I said, "Well, it's not our

evidence?" I said, "Well, it's not our fault you don't read. It's not our fault

fault you don't read. It's not our fault you haven't studied the subject matter."

you haven't studied the subject matter." So I've I'm increasingly Look, I'll be

So I've I'm increasingly Look, I'll be 70 in June. I'm sort of done with people

70 in June. I'm sort of done with people who say there's no nothing there there.

who say there's no nothing there there. I say, why? Because you're too dumb and

I say, why? Because you're too dumb and lazy to study it, you know. Sorry. But I

lazy to study it, you know. Sorry. But I mean, I'm I'm a little burned out. You

mean, I'm I'm a little burned out. You can take this part out. But we have all

can take this part out. But we have all this, right? Who's looking at it, you

this, right? Who's looking at it, you know? So, even when you put it on a

know? So, even when you put it on a silver platter and give it to members of

silver platter and give it to members of Congress, they don't have time to look

Congress, they don't have time to look at it and their staffers are so busy

at it and their staffers are so busy running around doing nonsense. So, this

running around doing nonsense. So, this is where I think uh a team, a

is where I think uh a team, a specialized team, special forces, former

specialized team, special forces, former special forces under executive order,

special forces under executive order, they'll know where to go. and they will

they'll know where to go. and they will get to the people and to the legal

get to the people and to the legal government of the United States all of

government of the United States all of this under control. We can do it. We

this under control. We can do it. We know how to do it. We're to do it. Now,

know how to do it. We're to do it. Now, we'll see what the president does. We'll

we'll see what the president does. We'll see what Congress does. Meanwhile,

see what Congress does. Meanwhile, that's how we're going to end it. Yeah.

that's how we're going to end it. Yeah. That's how we're going to end it. Let's

That's how we're going to end it. Let's see what the president does. Dr. Steven

see what the president does. Dr. Steven Greer, always a pleasure. Thank good.

Greer, always a pleasure. Thank good. You know, looking forward to seeing you

You know, looking forward to seeing you next time. Great seeing you in person.

next time. Great seeing you in person. Yeah. And thank you, Tony, for coming

Yeah. And thank you, Tony, for coming and sharing your story. My pleasure.

and sharing your story. My pleasure. Until next time. Until next time. Thank

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