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I think the easiest thing in life is to

give up on whatever you know whatever

you're focused on or whatever you're

hopeful for the hardest thing is to keep

going but we have to like we have to

continue to hold on and I would imagine

for so many people out there that is

probably the most difficult thing the

best-selling author and host the number

one Health and Wellness podcast on

purpose with Jay Shetty

hey everyone welcome back to on purpose

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learn and grow now I know that our

community is dedicated to living happier

healthier and more healed lives and I

love sitting down with people who are

dedicated to their own happiness their

own health their own healing and doing

that for the world through their work

and I have to be honest it's not every

day that you get to sit down with

someone you admire you're inspired by

you look up to and someone who is truly

the definition of the word goat uh I'm

talking about the one and only sir Lewis

Hamilton seven time Formula One World

Champion someone with over a hundred

race wins considered the most successful

F1 driver of all time and Lewis's

willingness to embrace what makes him

different has defined his values and

outlook on life and in 2014 those values

saw him win BBC's Sports personality of

the Year followed two years later by a

position in Time magazine's 100 most

influential people list Lewis received

both accolades for a second time in 2020

in a year that saw him become a leading

voice in the global fight for racial

equality in doing so he was recognized

as British gq's Game Changer of the year

and Powerless most influential black

person in the UK and further to this

Lewis won the 2020 glorious Sportsman of

the Year award and most notably was

formally recognized with a Knighthood in

2020 New Year's honors for his

outstanding achievements and

contribution to Motorsports on the track

and off the track Lewis is also

passionate activists for so many

underrepresented groups and communities

his mission 44 is doing incredible work

please welcome to on purpose Lewis

Hamilton Lewis thank you for being here

thank you so much for having me no this

honestly is a special one for me it's

been one of those ones that you know

when I first launched the podcast there

were a few names that I wanted to sit

down with and you were one of those

names so for me it's a very special

moment and for this to be your first

ever podcast which you just told me I

didn't even know and you literally told

me this like 10 minutes ago and in my

head I'm thinking wow thank I I'm so

grateful to have that honor honestly

honest mine I'm really so grateful for

everything you do and so I've been

following and listening to you and you

sent me the book a long time ago already

so I really appreciate everything you're

doing today oh well thank you man thank

you and I'm excited to unpack your

journey because as we said because it's

your first podcast people have heard

parts of you

but but we don't really understand the

depth and the texture of of Lewis

Hamilton and so I guess I want to start

in a in a different place and we'll

we'll kind of go through on this journey

I wanted to ask you what do you feel

is the hardest thing you've had to do in

order to be who you are today I think

continuing to have the belief in myself

and not letting that Veer off since I

was young since I've been told from my

teachers that I would never amount to

nothing The Bullying or the things that

you face at the adversity you face the discrimination

discrimination

and just continue to keep your head up

continuing to

to march on ahead uh towards your dream

and never lose inside now I think that's

definitely for sure the most difficult

thing is keeping keeping your goal and

your eyes set on that and not being distracted

distracted

um not giving up

I think the easiest thing in life is to

give up on whatever you know whatever

you're focused on or whatever you're

hopeful for

the hardest thing is to continue to keep

going but we have to like we have to

continue to hold on

and I would imagine for so many people

out there that is that it that is

probably the most difficult thing yeah I

think that's a great answer because I

think people look at you and they assume

that you never have to make that choice

right they see someone in your position

someone who's achieved what you've

achieved and the Assumption can be oh

yeah but he's the greatest he was he was

just always that way and he doesn't have

to make that choice every day but as you

said since the beginning of your life

whether it's childhood whether it's

breaking into a sport that wasn't set up

for you

there have been so many moments let's

let's go back to school let's talk about

some of that more in depth because I

feel like

a lot of people struggle at school but

you kind of went through a lot of

altercations and adversities at that

time what were some of the things you

were hearing some of the bullying some

of the racism the experiences that you

had that felt limiting or made it feel

like it was easier to give up I think

for me I mean school was the most

probably the most traumatizing and diff

most difficult part of my life wow

um I already was being bullied at the

age of six

um I think at the time that particular

school I was probably one of three kids

of color and

and

just bigger stronger

bullying kids were throwing me around a

lot of the time

I was always the last picked in the you

know when you're standing playground in

your uh in the line of when they're

picking teams for football I was always

the last one chosen or not even chosen

even if I was better than somebody else

um and then

the the constant Jabs the

things that are either thrown at you

like bananas or people that would use

the m word just so relaxed

um people calling you half cast and you

know just really not knowing where you

fit in that for me was difficult when

you then go into like history class and

everything you learn in history there

are no people of color in the history

that they were teaching us so I was

thinking oh well where are the people

that look like me and

and

I mean for me in my school there was

only around I think there was around

seven maybe six seven black kids out of

1200 kids and three of us were else put

outside the headmaster's office all the

time the Headmaster just had it out for

for us and particularly for me I would

say so like just juggling all these

different emotions that you're feeling

plus I struggled at school I didn't find

out till I was 16 that I was dyslexic

fortunately I came across a teacher that

was actually caring and

um took me down that road and helped me

discover a little bit more about myself

and how I can better myself through

education but um

I think that for me was

that was tough also because I was racing

every weekend I would leave on the

Thursday night we would travel you know

pack up the motorhome we'll travel

around the country to race on the weekends

weekends

and no one else knew when I'd got back

to school every all the kids have done

normal things on the weekend and

I'll come back and say I'm I was racing

and people would be like oh I've done

that before you know like at this at the

theme park or something

but no one really knew what my goal was

and could really they thought we would

maybe it was a joke you missed a lot of

that social interaction also I was

putting all the lowest sets at school

and told that if you do well you can

progress and then never ever let me

progress no matter how hard I tried

um so I really felt that the system was

really up against me and I was kind of

swimming against the tide but I'm so

grateful for that that Journey because

that's what built me to the person that

I am today but there were a lot of

things that I suppressed because I I

couldn't go home

and say hey to my I didn't feel I could

go home and talk to my parents that you

know these kids kept calling me them

where today I got bullied I got beaten

up at school today or I you know I

wasn't able to defend myself I didn't

want my dad to think I was not strong

and so I'll you know if I had tears I

would hold them back if I had emotions

it would be in a quiet place and

and um

it wasn't really till I started racing

that I was able to channel this emotion

that I had into my driving and it's like

when I put this helmet on

Superman was my favorite I loved how he

fought for the people and I loved how he

did the right things and he was a really

inspiring character for me but again no

superhero was of color so you know but

you can still aspire to be someone

that's if they don't look like you you

know um

and so I remember going to karate I

remember putting this helmet on in

racing and it felt like it was my cloak

you know my superpowers had come out

when I was driving and I was battling

with these kids and I was doing able to

do things that they

seemed to not be able to do as well

and that was my love wow yeah I mean it's

it's

my mind was opposite I was bullied a lot

at school as well I was one of five

people of color in my primary school and

I was also overweight and so I was

bullied for that

and obviously you know my parents are

from Indian backgrounds and so they'd

gone through it much worse than I did

when when they'd moved to England

but the difference was that I would go

cry to my mum and then my mum would come

try and save the day in school and that

was the worst that was so embarrassing

like your mum's they're telling the

teacher what happened and then I'm like

oh no Mom don't do this and then it's

even more embarrassing because the kids

pick on you going oh mum came to say oh

yeah yeah Mommy's right yeah so that

that was my version of it I wasn't

scared of crying to my mum but then it

had it had different things but yeah

that that's so hard as a kid when you're

going through that and you're trying to

find yourself you're trying to figure

out what confidence is you don't even

know what that means you feel like not

going to school but then even though

you're saying you found it in racing I

mean racing was similar because you were

working class you're still to this day

the only working-class black driver to

do as successfully as you have so not

only do you have it at school you also

have it in your passion like in the

thing that is your cloak is your

Superman so how does it feel when you're

also dealing with it in that area where

you've discovered what your passion or

your interest is at that age what does

it feel like when you're getting in that

space it's inescapable

you know you use that as an escape but

then you're confronted with it also and

so I was just grateful that I had this

amazing figure in my dad you know I got

a you know my best one of my best

friends like his dad was never there I

know there's not many people that have

separated parents and and being shared

between parents is not an easy thing

um you know some days with your mom and

some days we did that my my mum was the

soft loving

parent so

that's where I really I feel like I

learned a lot of compassion and empathy

that's where I feel like I get it from

her and my dad was at that strong like

kind of stronger Rock and also just

someone that looked like me on and just

he would say do you talking on the track

don't be distracted by it don't listen

to what they're saying do your driving

on track and show let's just be quiet

and walk away as well as you know um

so but you know again like your parents

my parents went through well

particularly my dad was someone that

also face adversity through his life and

he's like I want to do everything in my

power to create a better life for my kid

so that I don't feel or experience the

things that I have encountered and

through my through my journey and so but

I think for me it was also difficult

having biracial you know I'm biracial so

having a white mother mother for example

and a black dad

I knew my dad would understand the

racial slurs that I surrounded me my mum

couldn't understand it so I couldn't

really speak to my mum about it she was

loving but

she's never been educated within it she

didn't know anything about black history

and slavery and so it was a very

difficult but but I had love there which

was the most important thing yeah

um but in the racing it was like you

know like kids you just want to enjoy

yourself you want to be included and you

know when you're kind of outcast a

little bit it's um

it's difficult for kids you know and so

that's why today like I'm like if I'm

posting something I hope that when I do

click that button

I hope that it is a positive wave for

some of the kids out there that are

being distracted by all the stuff that's

going on around the world yeah I mean I

was I was telling you earlier I was so grateful

grateful

came out to watch you in Austin a couple

of weeks ago and got to meet your dad

and I heard you talk about your dad in

that way before and so when I met him I

was it was I was just you know it's nice

to share that with him and I was just

saying how beautiful it is to see your

relationship and and how it's evolved

it's always been that way yeah yeah

that's what I thought yeah yeah to walk

us through whatever you feel my dad has

been like the leader in getting me you

know he had four jobs at one stage just

to keep us go-karting because when we

all started gokind most of the people

were majority of the people were from

working class families

um so but then there are of course a few

wealthier kids

that have slightly better access to

equipment and

um mechanics and all those sorts of

things and my dad was my mechanic so it

was just me and him on the road and and

my stepmom Linda

um she would be there supporting

um making sure that we're fully clothed

making sure that we we've eaten and

we're hydrated all those sorts of things

for the weekend prepare my kid

um so it was very much a family outing

it was a family kind of

um family weekend we did it as a family

um we've traveled together my little

brother would be on the road with us as

well who's a major inspiration you've

definitely got to speak to me one day

um born with Cerebral Palsy

um when I was seven and is a speaker

today so he's and racing he's done he's

defined all the odds and wow uh even

though he's seven years younger than me

still very much an inspiration but the

thing with my dad was he was maybe he

was my manager all the way till I was

like 20 I got to we got to phone one and

he was he worked so hard his work ethic

for me was that that's was inspiring for

me seeing how hard he worked the time he

gets up in the morning the little sleep

that he would have end of his day in the

garage working on the go-kart preparing

for the weekend packing up the track and

getting us to where we are mechanicing

learning to be a better mechanic and and

still weighing all these different

things it was quite phenomenal to see

um but I think it was difficult for him

to then show me love and sometimes you

just want to hug from your dad you know

or when you're facing these things you

want to be able to be embraced but

um when I think I got to when I was 22

23 it got really intense when I got to

form one because all of a sudden you're

thrown into you go through karting and

cars you don't go to school to to learn

to speak to the media you're literally

thrown into the pit

and at the time I didn't have management

other than my dad my stepmom were booked

flights and trips but

um I didn't have PR I didn't have

anybody to help protect me or prepare me

for things

driving I was good I would say but in

these things is where a lot of mistakes happened

happened

um you've got the

the kind of all the media attention and

you have to so you're just learning on

the go which was very difficult for a

youngster I think yeah absolutely and

and also I just you wanted to try and

live some sort of normal normal life but

nothing's normal for you at the time

and the thing for me and my dad were

just we're really bumping his at one

stage it's like I really just want you

to be my dad so we can let's go and have

fun let's go and have a laugh but we

hadn't had that for a long time and so

um eventually I decided to sit part ways

for my dad and I was like I'm gonna

start making some of the decisions for

myself and the mistakes that I'm gonna

need to make and there was definitely a

period of time where we spoke less

um but we both have worked so hard to

come back together

and we have one of the greatest you know

he's the first person I want to call

when I finish a race

um because I know he knows what it's

like he was there from day one and so

you know he's been to the last two races

with me he's probably gonna come to the

next one there's days where I do feel

like I'm not enough there's days where I

don't feel like I'm good enough and

people be like yeah but you've won seven

World titles anyway yeah but still

there's days where I question no you

still got it you still

are you can you still be the best yes

you can and so I have to just always I'm

having that conversation with myself

often but my dad's also there sometimes

I'll say something that's maybe not the

most positive and he'll be the one there

just reaffirming no you've got this

believe in yourself and it's so

important for people to have people like

that around them and I support myself I

surround myself with other positive

people as well and we continue I think

it's all our job to lift every as many

you know everyone up right I want

everyone around me to win and yeah

um and to become the best versions of

themselves so no thank you for sharing

that as well thank you for opening up

about that because

yeah I think the relationships we have

with our parents are just

so significant when it comes to

achievement and success and when you

start doing sport at your level even at

an early age

wins and losses starts becoming so

important so win and loss is important

in everyone's life in the sense that

everyone has it in exams in school and

things like that which we'll talk about

in a second as well but for you you're

having a

in a very over way like you have one two

three and then you have everyone else

and and how have you kind of worked with

that since you're young because I can

imagine that your psychology can become

very much like if you win things are

great if you lose things are bad how

have you kind of processed that as

time's gone on and was there a time when

it was unhealthy and difficult and has

it got better or is it something you're

always working on so on one side of

things you know I struggled at school as

I said so the teachers would write these reports

reports

that I was

not focused or I wasn't doing well and

and I remember the fear of that report

every year and I try so hard to do well

and then these teachers I don't know if

teachers out there realize when they

write those reports what's happening

back at home whether you have an abusive

uh household or

you know the the stress of that was was

difficult I feel embracing if I if I

would win I could see a smile on my

dad's face and it was really like okay

if I do well at this I know that I'll be

accepted you know

um but I go to work double hard to be

I've got to always be first I always

laugh about the whole if you're not

first you last because I'm literally

whilst that's obviously I've not been

fresh my whole life

first was everything yeah

um in order to be accepted in order to

fit in and maybe to be appreciated

um not only in within my relationship

perhaps with my dad but then also

around my friends

and it was until I got older I realized

it's about the bigger picture but when

you have success it's so short-lived

it's like it really is really

short-lived you win a race then you go

back home and you have big as a racing

driver you know the weekend's so intense

you've seen it

there's so much energy so much it's

really really in a stressful environment

for everyone that's working within it

then you go home and there's a huge come

down like one or two days later and

you're trying to balance those emotions

that emotional rollercoaster

um and learning to kind of channel that

and figure out ways to keep it balanced

whether with your routine and those

sorts of things has been really key for me

but I think during the last couple of

last few years really understanding that

it's about the bigger picture

um I'm fighting for something far

greater than winning a race I'm really

fighting for

changing the world you know we're more

divided than ever I would say it's

devastating I can't watch the news it's

devastating every there's so much happening

happening

but there are so many great people out

there that are doing really great things and

and

I want to be one of I want to be a part

of that [Music]

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inspirational energy bubble that people

like yourselves are a part of

um because we want to we need to create

a brighter future we need to create

better Future Leaders look how many look

how bad our leaders are

that are in governments you know like we

need to be as part of the next

generation of thought leaders

um that are positive and

um yeah so that's what I'm trying to be

a part of every day I'm so I'm really

trying to focus on

my intentions as you're talking about

like setting your intentions each day

um I'm trying to learn new tools that I

didn't have when I was a kid I didn't I

didn't know about yoga I didn't know

about meditation

um I didn't have podcasts to listen to

good people to listen to and aspire to

kind of help me put on the right path so yeah

yeah

um yeah we've got a lot of work to do

there's almost not enough time here on

this planet right we're here for such a

short time really in the Scale of the

Universe yeah but I think you're one of

those people that you know and that's

when we first connected that was one of

the biggest reasons for me that I saw

you using your platform for a bigger

purpose I was like oh that's fascinating

like that's so interesting to me because

that's a choice too I think today we

kind of assume that if someone has a

platform or if someone's you know number

one in their field or if someone's got

followers that they should talk about

stuff we kind of assume that anyone who

has followers should talk about stuff

first of all I don't think that's the

case I think a lot of people choose not to

uh but but you were someone that stood

out to me massively where I was just

like wow this person's really not

just winning on

on the track but it's thinking about how

winning on the track transfers to what

you can do off the track because of the

influence because of your network

because of your impact

and I find that to be really

The Missing Link for so many people because

because

I always say that your purpose is

something not just that makes you happy

it's when you use what makes you happy

to serve other people like when you use

it to impact other people's lives when

did that drop for you like when did that

click for you like were you ever

I guess what I'm trying to say is

there's a transition when you're saying

that well you know winning like maybe

get the nod from my dad and obviously I

was bullied and then I'm winning but

then I'm number one at something like

was there a point at which number one

didn't satisfy you or was there a point

at which

the success that came from it or or you

didn't actually have to get dissatisfied

you just found that there was a better

way to be successful does that make

sense the parv that was striking when

you're just saying that for me it was

like I feel like we often live in fear

of what people think

um how you're going to be judged how

you're going to be received if you

you're free outspoken you're going to

lose your job you're going to be fired

I've always been

a outspoken person I think that's just

been a quality I've never been a follower

follower

um I don't like to conform to how people expect

expect

what people of what people expect from

you as I said I was having a success and

I was like okay now I'm on I'm at the

top what can I do with it yeah and there

are so many causes there's so many

problems out there and there's so many

so many amazing causes and which one you

know there's only one of you so like

what where do you put the focus and

that's take it took a long long time to

really find what that was for me I think

for me education was something that I

felt extremely passionate about because I

I've been out to India I'd been out into

some of the really

poorest places like Manila and seeing

young kids

who are like us but begging for food and

not having the same opportunities and

for me that was that broke my heart

and realized how privileged we are and

how fortunate we are it was like I want

to be working with people out there that

are trying to create more you know

there's over 100 million kids that don't

have access to school or education so

how can I get involved in that so align

yourself with people that do

but I think I was I was winning and it

was giving me that tip of happiness but

then I would kind of drop back down to

normality and

there was something missing

and it was that purpose really or

understanding what that purpose was and

understanding what

why you've been put here why are you

beginning the platform

that you've that you've been given why

were the only you know only people of

color this whole time through it all and

when I started speaking about

um diversity people like oh you want to

get more people of coloring as as racing

drivers only 20 of us so as I know it's

this forty thousand forty fifty thousand

jobs there's thousands of engineering

jobs in the background and there's such

a lack of diversity coming through I

want to be a part of Shifting that

narrative and shifting that conversation

and having people be

question themselves and have those

difficult conversations with with people

so I first I just started by having

those difficult conversations with my boss

boss

and one of the things he brings up that

he said that hit him hard I said have

you ever thought of as a white person

walking into the paddock into the race

weekend Paddock and being the only white

person there he's like he's like I

hadn't even thought of that I said well

that's what it's like for someone like

me when I'm in the room you noticed you

noticed that out of 50 people in a

meeting you're the only person the black

person there

and it's not because we are less is

because there are these barriers within

Society through education that are

limiting people to be the best they can

be so my job is to be empowering and

improving representation I'm really

really passionate like black Equity as

well so that's why I got involved with

the Denver Broncos Denver Broncos yeah

yeah and usually when I'm in

conversation with sponsors or companies

I'm like hey so what it how diverse is

your team what are you doing about

diversity inclusion how are you creating

a better work workspace for people

that's what I want to be a part of I the

success can come later and that's that

would be along the way but if you're not

asking those questions or you're not

tackling those issues

then we're not blind yeah and so all

them pretty much every partner that we

have we have a lot of Partners within

our team I've asked these really

difficult questions and they're like oh

you know what but we can do more I'm

like well let's do it

you know yeah so I think I've grown very

close with my like Mercedes-Benz and

Gamma they've

been so open that we changed the car

from Silver to Black in 2020.

and as again I said to them like the

car's been silver forever it's always

been silver arrows and I was like

imagine if we change the card to Black

well that could you know us turning up

and arriving is how you show up and it's

how you know imagine the message we can

send and we had the black car for the

whole year and we didn't even really

talk much about it we just let it be

and we went with it and that's when I

won myself with that car so that's beautiful

beautiful

now that must have felt special

it was honestly my whole life flashed by

my not that last lap in Turkey

my whole life like all the struggles the

questioning whether you were going to

make it or not just all those doubts all

those fears kind of flash by Me by you

know through my eyes and came across the line

line

and I was like I did it

and I wanted the kids out there to know

that you can do it too

you know

um so that's what I try and like every

day just try to be encouraging of

kitchen yeah yeah do you sometimes feel

that we were talking about this a bit

earlier that

you know in other sports we get to see

the emotions and the expressions of

players that we love or

you know anyone who's on the court or

the field of the pitch whereas with you

because we don't get to see that in your

eyes in your last lap like that we can

only hear it today which is why I'm so

grateful to have this moment because

I obviously whenever whenever I'm sit

down with someone who's a high performer

like you it's obvious that there's so

much emotion and preparation and power

but with racing specifically you just

don't get to see that do you sometimes

feel that the only people that can truly

relate to you

are the people you compete with because

I feel like it's like you said there's

only 20 of you that are racing anyway

it's lonely anyway 99 of people in the

world have no idea what it feels like to

drive a car as fast as you do and the

way you do in in any comparison

do you sometimes feel that the only

people you can relate to are the people

that are racing against you and then do

you kind of feel

is there a loneliness in that experience

or is that kind of like a power in that

as well definitely the other drivers I

do feel that there's more we have a lot

more in common than we think but we're

so competitive

and a lot of us have our defense like

you want to beat the guy but then you

like the guy you might like the person

outside the car but you can't show that

like there's this whole psychological

battle you're having with yourself and

getting away of yourself a lot of the

time so I really feel like as an older

driver I'm trying to be more like

reaching out to youngsters and

um because they're the future you know

um and I'm excited to see some of these

young drivers are coming through are so

so talented I don't know if they've got

the best structure around them like I

mean like I didn't necessarily have the

ultimate structure that I perhaps have now

now

so just try to be a kind of a positive

light to them but naturally none of them

are black and none of them have

necessarily faced the same as me but

they've faced their own challenges and

and things about respecting that with

within everybody and I've tried to be

create allies necessarily like in having

the difficult conversations with some of

them I mean I'm so grateful for I've had

a couple of them it really took the knee

with me in 2020

um just on that you know

my dad was going back to the house with

my dad my dad like never let me cry as a

kid he said there's a sign of weakness

like don't let me ever see you shed a

tear so I remember just holding back

through those difficult times as a kid

holding back most of that stuff in 2020

I cried I hadn't cried for at least I

think at least 10 years maybe more

it was there was a lot of bottled up

stuff that came up that I had not

realized that didn't even know about

suppressing a pain or a feeling so I

remember kind of bending on my knees

thinking no what has happened in the

world I've got to I've got to be

outspoken I've got to take that chance

because if I don't do it then no one's

gonna do it if I don't

if I don't take the knee if I don't let

people like me know that I care and I

hear you and I'm I'm with you and I'm

going to do something about it I'm going

to risk it all

I don't care if

my partners want to drop me because I

want to be associated with this

narrative I don't I'm like and I

literally let go of all the fear and

that's why I went came so forward with it

and I know it's not easy for everyone to

do that

um but I just want to really and try to

encourage people out there too

to be themselves to speak out if they've

got a problem if they're seeing

something within the work working

environment or experiencing something

you gotta be outspoken about it and

there's a right way to do it the first

day I was going to take the knee I

remember I didn't feel like I could tell

my team

I was like because I know I felt that

they wouldn't understand how important

it is for me to do this this day so I

remember I had my black lives matter a

shirt hidden and

I just wore it out there and I I went

ahead within so no one knew no one knew

but every uh the sport had built and

made all these t-shirts like um we race

as one yeah slogan and they gave these

t-shirts to all the to everybody I was

like I'm not wearing that that's not

what this is about and so this is what

I'm doing and this was around George

Floyd right yeah and afterwards my team

were like well why don't you if you just

told us we could have prepared a bit

over I had this fear that they would try

and stop me perhaps but that was just a fear

fear

um they've been massively supportive

through the whole thing My Hope was that

you know kids would be watching me like

what it what it what is that why is he

taking me what what does that shirt mean

what is going on Dad Mom

and then the parents being in an awkward

position having to explain it maybe but

I think what was really encouraging for

me I think when we started really

getting into the whole diversity

inclusion we did the research there was

only three percent out of two thousand

people in the team as three percent

diversity so

since then we've been on this Mission

the team have started new projects we've

discovered that the the sport generally

hires from one group of universities

which is not diverse and if there are

any young black students that go there

they're twice as unlikely to be hired

when they come out compared to their

counterparts and also paid less

exercises all these things that perhaps

people didn't know that's the Hamilton

commission right yeah yeah and that just

was interesting to to experience that

and now now we're working on like a

diversity Charter that all the teams

have to be a part of and it's not mine

it's for the sport and it's to encourage

those teams because there's still not

any diversity within you know if you

look at Ferrari they don't have hardly

any there's most teams don't

um but when I go back to my team to the

factory normally in our marketing

department wasn't very diverse initially

and I walked in after the pandemic and I

started seeing such a more diverse group

of people I was really quite emotional

because I was like oh my God there's I'm

starting to see change

but you don't see that on TV yeah so

when I talk to the to the bosses of the

sport I'm like hey you know there's all

white men facing oh and and me facing

the camera at the start of the race

where are the women

where are the people of color we've got

to be showing some young kids are

watching and they're like oh there's a

place for me there I can be there I can

be an engineer I can be a mechanic or

whatever it may be and even for young

girls oh I can be a racing driver or an

engineer a strategist or whatever you

know so representation's so so key to

inspiring the young youth especially in

these industries that they already have

less access to right like that's the

point that it's not just it's not just

representation because you want them to even

even

have the opportunity it's the fact that

there's just no access point which is

what you're trying to create I think

what's what I find really

beautiful about you doing it is you're

doing it though when you're like I'm

having all my emotions come up at the

same time as trying to be a voice for

other people and when you're saying like

I'm I'm taking a knee because I know I

have to make a stand

externally but internally you're taking

a knee because so much of your own stuff from

from

years ago is coming back up like that

must be quite hard when you're

that's that strikes me as something

that's really inspiring about what you

did is that you were going through your

own healing at the same time as trying

to do healing for the world there is so

much healing to do right and I was

completely oblivious to that I needed

healing I needed to really peel back

some of those layers

um I think for people that turn into

tune into a race and you mentioned

earlier on but when you

we arrive everything's set up We There

is work that we're doing in the

background naturally people don't see

they just see a show

but there is an unbelievable amount of

work that goes on in the background

um when I talk to people that talk about

how much weight you lose they're like

yeah you just sit in the car and you drive

drive

um there's this huge psychological and

emotional roller coaster that you're

going through that it would be really

hard for people to

comprehend and you would mention about

all these other athletes you see their

faces in other sports you can't see

because we've got helmet on but you go

through this roller coaster ride in the

race and then you get out and they the

camera's right in your face you're not

prepared for that your emotions are shot

particularly if you failed or feel like

you failed

and you don't always answer the right

way if you wear your your heart on your sleeve

sleeve

people that don't necessarily like that

necessary always people take advantage

of that so then you build up all these

protection mechanisms and mechanisms

that's not necessarily

you and at the core

but won't be the safest thing for you

you know what I mean like I read

something the other day about

it's like three steps of you and there's

one the one of which you present your uh

who you present there's you and your who

you are to you and your family and friends

friends

and then there's one the part of you the

real you that no one ever gets to see

and I think just today in today's world

it's so vicious on social media it's the

media can be you know can really tell

you apart

and you build up you know like you you

make a mistake in something you say in

the media and your ridicule Feud you

never do it again so you build up and

you go more and more in your shell

and you become harder for people to

really relate to but I think for me what

I've realized in these last few years is

really peeling back those layers

and you know letting people know that I

grew up in a council state I you know

I've lived on the sofa with my uh my my

parents we've had those struggles

um the successful people out there you

see they too have had those things where

we need to show that young kids who are

going through that same thing that oh I

can if he can get there or they can get

there then it must be possible for me

too yeah

um and like being showing you about

vulnerability that's something that I

really struggled to to

to do for a long long time and um

like today that's something I think I'm

a lot more open than I've ever ever been

yeah I'm not living in fear every day

and that's like the most

that's the most important thing I think

for me personally I'm living a much

happier life because I'm

I'm a lot more open yeah it's liberating

yeah absolutely yeah it's liberating

when you finally feel like you're not

trapped or you're hiding held or yeah or

hiding yeah or hiding my favorite quotes

is from my Angelo when she says we are

all powerful beyond measure and that

really hit home also for me that that's

my favorite quote because and I have a tattooed

tattooed

because really we are so we do limit

ourselves we get in our own way right

along with the other things that get in

our way but

a lot of our fear stops us from driving

forwards from progressing and that's why

like I do the craziest things I jump out

of planes yeah you've done what 80 jumps

yeah like just just I love challenging

myself and doing things even though

there's maybe fear there but overcoming

that fear is like it's the best feeling

when you overcome it and you realize

that she was all just a bunch of

nonsense in your head I want to

encourage so all my friends I'm like

let's go and do this today they're like

are you crazy

my dad don't even think as a kid my dad

was like is he really my son because I

wouldn't do any of these things and even

still today

um I still find that he's actually done

skydiving with my Dad yeah he said he

would never do it but he did it so but

driving 200 miles per hour is probably

one of the scariest things that you do

all the time like that's not for you

anymore whatever things I've never had

that fear yeah uh as a kid and I was

just never you know I think if you go on

a ski slope and you see these kids

coming by the kids are generally

Fearless right yeah but think as you go

get older yes you start you hurt

yourself a little bit you start

protecting yourself more and more but I

just don't have that I think

I feel like that was something that just

wasn't necessarily put in me I'm

terrified of spiders yeah that's the

only thing but I'm doing 200 miles an

hour that's actually when I'm most at

peace I would say yeah it's like I'm

like flowing it's like my that's my

element and that's why I like I love

doing what I do it could be really

really hard when I start racing I've

been doing for 30 years I'm 37 I've been

racing 30 years and when you stop like

what what's gonna match that nothing's

gonna have a probably a match being in

the stadium or being at the race and

being at the Pinnacle the sport being at

the front of the greater or coming

through the grid that motion that I get

there when I do stop

that will be a there'll be a big hole

Yeah so I'm trying to generally focus on

things find things that are going to

replace that that will also be just as

rewarding and that's like Mission 44 for

me meeting kids at schools having these

conversations with families and parents

who clearly you're going through

difficult times and want to create the

best opportunity for their kids

encouraging them they're like okay I've

been there too look where I got so you

can get there it's just got to work

through it that's for me the that's way

more rewarding than winning the race

yeah so much more yeah that's I'm so

grateful and I'm so happy that

everyone's gonna getting to hear this I

felt you're the only and I know you know

you're talking about when that happens

but it's brilliant that you're planning

already because you can see how

so many athletes mentally

when they know their career has somewhat

of a shelf life or a somewhat of a time

span like it's so hot it's it just

completely wrote but I remember you're

reminding me of when I had the fortune

of sitting down with Kobe Bryant and I

said sat down with him when he'd already

retired wow and I interviewed him oh so

great I'm so jealous he was one of those

people that was not upset being retired

he loved it because he knew that his

mission for him was to make these short

movies and make all these uh Sports

based content to inspire kids to tell

their stories and to help them find

better stories and so it's exactly what

you're saying where he wasn't he's one

of those people that I've met he was not

sad about he was so happy he was so

pumped that's what I'm working towards

yeah because he he knew that he had a

mission and he had a purpose and he'd

gone and won an Oscar for a short movie

that he'd made and you know he was

creating content to inspire kids and

that's where his heart was and of course

watching his daughters play and so I'm

super inspired by him yeah I know but

yeah like when you said that that's what

I remembered and and he was in the same

boat he was like I always wanted to

script right and never had time to

script right he said I was always

playing basketball and he goes but then

I started script writing and I got a

coach and then I was writing and getting

better as a writer that's what I think

when I've spoken to other athletes we

focused so much on that being the best

you can be and that one thing that the

other things that you also love like if

it's playing an instrument or if it's

writing scripts like it all falls

everything falls away and yeah

um how can you come compartmentalize

staying in the in the zone in the focus

Lane but also building up some of those

other skills and discovering other

passions you know people's

we've heard people tell LeBron shut up

and dribble like yeah that's there

there's a lot of people put you in the

box and say this you can only do one

thing but as I've seen and spoken to

some people

that are active and retired a lot of

them say when particularly when they

retire that they

everything kind of fell apart like

everything fell to the ground they had

nothing to back it up with and they

hadn't discovered what they're doing

next so then they go through this

emotional Journey

um of of Discovery but it takes time

so I'm like trying to learn from those

things and applying them and find the

other things that I'm passionate about

so I generally feel today that I have

lots of things in the pipeline

that when I do stop it's gonna be like

so grateful but I have something better

that I'm moving on to yeah

um but I I have no doubts that I oh me

and my dad will always have to go to the

go-kart track or something you know I'm

always going to be competitive yeah I

can't that's literally a strain in My

DNA that's just never gonna gonna shift

I'm competitive at everything I'm happy

to hear that it's it's it's I'm sure

that's refreshing it's great for people

to also hear that even to inspire young

people or Inspire anyone who's gone to a

place in their career where they know

that there's a certain moment where

things are going to wind down but then

they're going to transition I think I

don't think we celebrate the transitions

enough in life and life is made up of

transition absolutely and people think

that it's maybe less or something but

it's yeah it's it's not about that yeah

exactly so it's fascinating you found

that what are some of these like you

said like um you know I've been doing

jumps I've been doing this with my

friends what are some of the routines

that you put into place to help you

manage your mindset because I feel like

you're you said that being at 200 miles

per hour for the duration of a race is

like being in flow for you that means

you're extremely comfortable with your

own thoughts extremely comfortable with

being in a high stress high pressure

environment but being just with your own self

self

talk to us about how you I mean it

sounds like that's always been the case

but what have you done to become more

and more comfortable with that yeah I

think naturally this is the natural

ability right but

um I've been out of focus for an hour

and 45 minutes without making mistakes

and that's that's literally insane it's

unbelievable dealing with the pressures

um a friend actually asked me last night

because I talk about

we lose a lot of race a lot of weight in

the race yes

like sometimes you can lose up to 10

pounds like four kilos and people like

whoa I need to be particularly in

America they're like oh I need to be a

racing driver

um for the weight loss but this question

is my friend asked me the other day

that's like where does the where does

the weight go like yeah because my suit

doesn't because afterwards I weigh less

but the I'm like so it must evaporate

you somewhere so I've never got to

figure out where all that weight

actually truly goes because it obviously

isn't in sweat but that's like messed my

mind about

um but the suit definitely is obviously

a little bit heavier but um it's about

gaining tools and I think as when I was

younger I didn't have I knew how to

arrive at the race I channeled the so

this emotion that I had through whatever

those difficulties were into my driving

so it's laser focused like if you watch

a video for me when I was five years old

on Blue Pizza you'll see I'm just laser

focused but

um being able to control emotions being

out to be calm and present

staying centered there are loads of

obviously different methods that people

can use so things that I try to that

I've started to incorporate over the

years more in my life is things like

stretching things like yoga and

meditation has been a real

that for me was something that I never

thought that that I kind of turned a

blind eye to it when I was younger

I thought that's not gonna be helpful

but being able to be sit still for a second

second

and listen to the noises around you

um and understand you want to tap into

that kind of

in a child or whatever it may be

that's for me been taking that moment

for yourself each day treating yourself

with love and being kind to yourself you

know because I think for a long time I

wasn't kind to myself and

and

that's been a process uh doing things

that being purposeful and and having

real certain intentions each day

no matter how big or small

and you know I wake up I'm looking in

the mirror brushing your teeth then stop

for a second sake this today's gonna be

the day today's gonna be great

um and no matter what you're faced with

you know just

whatever you come out with yeah yeah

talking to yourself also speaking to

people I think is very important I think

as a kid as I said I didn't feel like I

could speak to people I didn't feel like

I could tell my mom about these

experiences I felt embarrassed I

couldn't tell my dad so I thought he

would fulfill think less of me I

couldn't talk to any of the teachers

couldn't tell my most my friends most of them

them

uh weren't particularly of color so

but finding

learning to be open and speak to people

or find someone to speak to whether it's

a therapist or whatever that's

that's been a huge um help

um I don't not necessarily have a

therapist especially someone that I'm

able to then just have shoot a with

basically yeah

um and confide in and Trust like trust

has been something that I've never had

done didn't trust anybody through those

experiments I had as a kid

and it's been very very hard to build

trust with people but creating allies

finding things that are that you have in

common with people like my boss for example

example

him and I just

breaking each other down and then just

having realizing that was similar in

many many ways but also very different

but that's not what should divide us we

can then be allies and so that's why

we're working on

being the most diverse team we're

working on

pushing we have we've studied ignite

which is about getting

you know improving that pipeline of into

motorsport for people

um from underserved communities and

there's so much work to do you're doing

it though man I'm trying to I'm trying

to and you know to the point you were

asking earlier like has has enough been

done absolutely not in the industry yes

and like you don't feel that yeah and

it's not only in either industry it's

everywhere and is that your goal to sort

in the industry and then expand out or

you're starting you're starting across

the board anyway yeah yeah that well

with the team with where it's we started

an organization which called ignite

which we both fund and that is focused

on the sport Motorsport in general

but Mission 44 is focused on a much you

know societal challenges and barriers

and and education and

and

um that's a focused in the UK at the

moment but I want to bring that over to

the states absolutely man

um you know hopefully by at least 2024

um also just been to Africa and there is

so much Beauty there and I really really

want to have an imp you know really want

to help there as well so yeah

um we will continue to expand but we're

one of the one of the few black founding

non-profit organizations in UK and with

um black CEO for example a very diverse

group of people

um and just having those conversations

with people of just what a diverse

Workforce means and how that bet can

benefit you when you have people from

different backgrounds all coming up with

a diverse diverse thought and creation

it's that's how you have more success

yeah it's a no it's a no-brainer when

you hear it and you're just like wow

that makes so much sense and creativity

is better and you you'd be able to come

up with far more innovative ideas and

you've got so many more cultures now

being celebrated involved and I I feel like

like it's

it's

it's interesting to me that the world

hasn't caught on with that yet like it's

it's interesting that even despite there

being progress there's not enough

progress but

what what is the block like what is the

stop is it a mindset is it just habits

and laziness like what is the actual

like if you got to the core of it from

everyone you've been speaking to like

what are you what is the issue is the

issue that

yeah is the issue just laziness and just

oh this is the way things have always

been or is it or is there actually like

a setup I don't have the answer to it I

I ask that question all the time and

I come up with lots of different

theories in my mind

um sometimes I'm like maybe people don't

just don't care maybe people's problems

are so big that they don't have time to

focus on other things and it's hard

enough just to do the thing that you're

focused on or just overcoming the issue

that you're overcoming so how am I gonna

have more time to yeah

to speak about these things why should I

take the risk and risk my next step and

so I feel like it's about learning to be

selfless right and

um which is difficult to do if you're

not being loving yourself and not in a

good place yeah so I think it all comes

to us at hopefully a time at a certain

point in our lives

um but also you know we live in a time

where like social media is so it's such

a dangerous it's such a powerful tool

but it's also can be so dangerous and so dividing

dividing

and I see people out there today and

there's people that I admire that I'm

that that I would follow and I'd be like

how they

projecting something that's not

necessarily healthy for you for people

out there how are they projecting

they're not using this platform to be

more inspirational or be more positive

and there's others that are but then I

don't you can't judge because that's

their Journey

well you can continue to do is try to

you know with that Maya Angelou quote

it's about being shining your light as

bright as you can possibly get it and

hope that by doing it

you I think you automatically uh

encourage the people around you to want

to do the same

and I never truly understood that until

I see the team that I work with how we

all Inspire each other how with this

year for example we've had the you know

2022 has been one of the hardest years

for us as a team

um as we didn't build a great car and we

had our struggles as many people do and

how we've had to all come closer and the

relationship I've had with people that

I've worked with this team for 10 years

and there's conversations we've had this

year people have opened up like they've

never opened up before people have cried

like it's been

it's been beautiful to see yeah I feel

like with some a far better team than

we've ever been before because we're

living with intention we're actually

talking about impact

that everyone in the team's gone and had

diversity inclusion training no one's

been kind of like I'm not I'm not going

through that class why do I have to go

and learn with diversity and inclusions

about it I'm and why it doesn't impact

me you know people like I understand it

doesn't I wouldn't necessarily notice it

but I want to understand it more so I

can be better in my working environment

it's been unbelievable that's amazing

also leaders within our sport are now

now where we are on a road to being a

more diverse and more inclusive sport

but I think my job is to continuously

make sure that it that that same the

effort that we're putting in now doesn't

kind of fall away and become kind of

you know just because it was

um trending yeah yeah yeah that is

actually something that's on the top of

the list sustainability is on the top of

our list and that real true core values

we don't go out of our way well you know

because a lot of people it's very easy

to kind of be led by the money success

success

but making sure you stick to your core

values it's so true so important it goes

back to what you said though that that's

what real leaders do like leaders don't

follow what's trending like leaders have

focused on transformation and then

they're dedicated to transformation and

they're going to keep doing it until

they see a change whereas followers

follow Trends and oh it's not trending

now it doesn't matter we'll focus on

something else but you know obviously

it's so clear just listening to you

today and it's amazing Because unless

I'm so glad I've had this opportunity to

talk to you because

I can hear just how

deeply dedicated you are to this and how

it's at your core it's like it's

everything that comes out of your pores

today is just you know which is which is

really special to see a value being

embodied like to empower other people

you have to embody the value first it

doesn't just you don't just go around

empowering people and so to hear how

your soul and heart is like completely a

sponge for this stuff and then to

wanting to go and share it with the

world it's really remarkable man ah

thank you yeah well I mean it's I've I'm

by far perfect no yeah I know and I

think that's like it's not about being

perfect it's about just every day one

step at a time trying to be better

trying to do more yeah and

um learning a lot about myself I've had

to break myself down

in order to be able to be better and

what do you mean by breaking yourself

down uh well just when you when I told

you about like all those barriers you

put up over time to protect yourself and

then kind of like knocking those

barriers down yes

and it's enabled me to connect with more

people it's enabled me to realize my

place in the world and I don't feel like

I don't belong anymore I feel like uh

you know I've got a place and I've got a

purpose and that's and I think a lot of

people are struggling to find that

purpose but it's okay you'll you will

find it do not give up keep getting up

you know like just keep saying those

things to yourself and you will

eventually find it and you know you're

already living in your purpose and

having such a huge impact on so many

people you know telling stories which uh

is it's amazing to see

um I started this production company

inspired by like Kobe and so many out

there but stories for me storytelling I

watch a lot of movies I don't know about

you but yeah I love movies especially

Sports movies yeah like when I go home

I'll like I you know order takeaway or

make myself some pasta or something like that

that

and then I put the plate in front of me

and I can't eat till I found something

to watch like my my Escape is watching a

movie and I always like to find

something hopefully inspiring yes

but what the reason I created this um

production company is because

you know until recently we didn't have

any people of color are superheroes We I

think these stories storytelling is so

so important for people out there for

inspiring people and and I want to make

sure that in and everything that I do

every project that I work on is with a

diverse Workforce like I'm doing this

from one movie with um Brad Pitt and Joe

kazinski and

um but my job is to make sure that it's

diverse behind the camera as it is on

screen the story is empowering and uplifting

uplifting

um it's not there's no BS in terms of

the racing and

hopefully one kid will watch it and yeah

or more and feel empowered to go and do

something great absolutely I love that

man I'm so glad you're doing that

because when you said do I like movies

the movie that came to my mind was uh

race have you seen race because yeah so

like that the story is unbelievable but

when you watch the movie as well it's

unbelievable to see what Jesse Owens did

like to think that he had to go I can't

even imagine I can't you know you just

can't imagine if everyone's not seen the

movie you have to go see them yeah it's

just one of those movies that's like how

do you do that like how do you go and race

race

in Nazi Germany like I have like I must

have been terrified terrifying and you

know there's been so many great stories

like that that are out there that need

telling yeah

um continuously telling yeah 42 is

another one yeah 42 is awesome

um but yeah there is these really unique

people out there I think for me being in

this sport being the only one and being

the first is that is that has been

lonely yeah and that has been really

really a difficult thing to kind of

understand and and

um through my life I know many many

people like Jesse for example being the

first and only

at the time you know I've taken huge

inspiration from him Nelson Mandela was

like ah he's just one of my biggest

biggest Inspirations

um I was so so fortunate to get to meet

him when I was I was like 23 or

something oh wow what was that like yeah

ah it was mind-blowing I mean when you

when you then I got to form one and you

have the success all these things come

and you don't even you've dreamed of

being a racing driver but you didn't

dream that all the other things of all

the other things that come along like

meeting other unbelievable people I went

to Nelson Mandela's 90th birthday in London

London

and I was sat on his table in this huge

room full of like

Bill Clinton was there like uh

Denzel Washington was there open Winfrey

sat right next to me like all these

people that you would never ever in the

million years dream of think you would

ever get to meet yeah and then you

discover and they're also just human

beings with feelings and with emotions

and with their own challenges but I was

so young at the time it was it was

I don't even recognize myself when I

look back at me seven years ago

I see a shell of me and I think I look

today and see myself and know myself so

much more um

and that's again that's an empowering

experience to be in but yeah I went into

the room and met him and he sat at his chair

chair

and it was like walking into I was like

God or like a king you know and his silk shirt was

shirt was his Aura was something you could see his

his Aura was something you could see his Aura his smile he was beaming

Aura his smile he was beaming that was the most probably the most

that was the most probably the most impactful day for me

impactful day for me um as a youngster wow Lewis it's

um as a youngster wow Lewis it's unbelievable talking to you I mean what

unbelievable talking to you I mean what you've achieved on the track off the

you've achieved on the track off the track and now I'm even more excited to

track and now I'm even more excited to see you continue to achieve uh as your

see you continue to achieve uh as your journey continues because I'm going to

journey continues because I'm going to say this and I don't say this often and

say this and I don't say this often and I genuinely my team can vouch for and

I genuinely my team can vouch for and everyone else can listen back to any

everyone else can listen back to any episode

episode I think you're one of the most

I think you're one of the most on-purpose people I've ever interviewed

on-purpose people I've ever interviewed and I appreciate that no and I genuinely

and I appreciate that no and I genuinely like it just there's nothing else that

like it just there's nothing else that comes from your being apart from what

comes from your being apart from what your purpose currently is with Mission

your purpose currently is with Mission 44 and and it's it's really remarkable

44 and and it's it's really remarkable to meet someone who's so on purpose I

to meet someone who's so on purpose I don't I genuinely don't have that

don't I genuinely don't have that experience and the only person you

experience and the only person you reminded me of was Kobe he had it too

reminded me of was Kobe he had it too when I was around him there was no

when I was around him there was no there's nothing else it wasn't like he

there's nothing else it wasn't like he missed anything he was at peace he was

missed anything he was at peace he was it was peace with purpose you know and

it was peace with purpose you know and you have that same Aura and spirit from

you have that same Aura and spirit from from at least my experience thank you so

from at least my experience thank you so much it's so kind of you yeah and I

much it's so kind of you yeah and I really mean that I really mean that it's

really mean that I really mean that it's incredible so uh we we end every episode

incredible so uh we we end every episode with a Fast Five which means every

with a Fast Five which means every question has to be answered in one word

question has to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum okay and we ask

to one sentence maximum okay and we ask these same questions to every guest

these same questions to every guest that's ever been on the show I should be

that's ever been on the show I should be prepared for that because I've seen you

prepared for that because I've seen you so well no the the first question is

so well no the the first question is what's the best advice you've ever heard

what's the best advice you've ever heard or received I think it was the achieve

or received I think it was the achieve my dad uh never give up that's been like

my dad uh never give up that's been like the slogan in the back of my mind every

the slogan in the back of my mind every single day the other one would be um

single day the other one would be um just that you'll always be learning and

just that you'll always be learning and that's what I learned from Nelson

that's what I learned from Nelson Mandela he was like I'm 19 and I'm still

Mandela he was like I'm 19 and I'm still learning today and like I was like what

learning today and like I was like what can you tell me it's like I'm still

can you tell me it's like I'm still learning today and it's okay to be

learning today and it's okay to be learning you're always going to be

learning you're always going to be learning something new and growing

learning something new and growing yourself wow that's beautiful very like

yourself wow that's beautiful very like wow but like guys that was pretty basic

wow but like guys that was pretty basic but no but it's not it's it's powerful

but no but it's not it's it's powerful knowing he said that yeah as in the fact

knowing he said that yeah as in the fact that he said that on his 90th birthday

that he said that on his 90th birthday that is powerful because it's a long way

that is powerful because it's a long way to go yeah and it's like a lot of people

to go yeah and it's like a lot of people I feel like a lot of people feel by 90

I feel like a lot of people feel by 90 especially him he has so much wisdom to

especially him he has so much wisdom to share yeah but the fact that his wisdom

share yeah but the fact that his wisdom was I'm just learning that yeah I'm

was I'm just learning that yeah I'm still learning that's pretty cool all

still learning that's pretty cool all right second question uh what's the

right second question uh what's the worst advice you ever heard or received

worst advice you ever heard or received give up it's just the opposite yeah yeah

give up it's just the opposite yeah yeah literally the worst bit of advice and it

literally the worst bit of advice and it wasn't I mean it wasn't necessarily

wasn't I mean it wasn't necessarily advice but I when I was younger there

advice but I when I was younger there was other parents of other racing

was other parents of other racing drivers I was racing against

drivers I was racing against I remember this one guy and he's like

I remember this one guy and he's like she just you just don't have it you

she just you just don't have it you should just give up their parents were

should just give up their parents were saying their parents the grown man in

saying their parents the grown man in these 40s or 50s told me that and I was

these 40s or 50s told me that and I was eight told you told me yeah to my face

eight told you told me yeah to my face and I remember just being so like what

and I remember just being so like what am I supposed to do with that what do

am I supposed to do with that what do you mean give up what was the reason I

you mean give up what was the reason I would imagine because I was beating his

would imagine because I was beating his kid

kid maybe I don't know I never really

maybe I don't know I never really thought of what the reason would be and

thought of what the reason would be and the same with teachers you know yeah

the same with teachers you know yeah what is this crap you know you're

what is this crap you know you're terrible at this you'll never know go to

terrible at this you'll never know go to the next set you're never gonna amount

the next set you're never gonna amount to anything why are you even here I had

to anything why are you even here I had a parent I had a teacher tell me that

a parent I had a teacher tell me that and wow it broke me down so much

and wow it broke me down so much question number three uh

question number three uh how do you deal with loss and how do you

how do you deal with loss and how do you deal with the win I think success is as

deal with the win I think success is as I mentioned earlier short-lived success

I mentioned earlier short-lived success is there's a lot less learn in success

is there's a lot less learn in success it's like the tip of the iceberg it's

it's like the tip of the iceberg it's the losses and it's the failures and

the losses and it's the failures and it's the continuously just the

it's the continuously just the perseverance that you needed that you

perseverance that you needed that you need to do like I love that image of the

need to do like I love that image of the iceberg where you see the sea level and

iceberg where you see the sea level and the iceberg on the top that everyone

the iceberg on the top that everyone sees but below is what people don't get

sees but below is what people don't get to see and it's it's relevant for every

to see and it's it's relevant for every single person out there it's finding

single person out there it's finding your core it's letting yourself know

your core it's letting yourself know it's okay to feel the pain it's okay to

it's okay to feel the pain it's okay to accept that your failures

accept that your failures and you know put it on you it's like

and you know put it on you it's like it's just another another notch on your

it's just another another notch on your belt that is going to make you stronger

belt that is going to make you stronger and just knowing that that is the case

and just knowing that that is the case I've failed so many more times and I've

I've failed so many more times and I've succeeded so many more

succeeded so many more and that people don't even know maybe

and that people don't even know maybe necessarily about or see

necessarily about or see and still today I'm making those

and still today I'm making those failures those mistakes and or making

failures those mistakes and or making mistakes

mistakes but I know that that's straight that's a

but I know that that's straight that's a part of the journey that's that's what

part of the journey that's that's what I'm then harnessing and that's what's

I'm then harnessing and that's what's making me stronger all right question

making me stronger all right question number four out of five uh what's

number four out of five uh what's something that you thought you valued

something that you thought you valued but you don't value anymore immaterial

but you don't value anymore immaterial stuff at some stage and you actually

stuff at some stage and you actually realize they're not important and we

realize they're not important and we live in such a materialistic world so

live in such a materialistic world so learning to detach yourself from that

learning to detach yourself from that and know that it's moments with special

and know that it's moments with special people it's moments with your with your

people it's moments with your with your family with your loved ones with your

family with your loved ones with your friends that are what you get to take

friends that are what you get to take with you when you stop you know when

with you when you stop you know when life comes to an end right I truly

life comes to an end right I truly believe that it's those memories that

believe that it's those memories that are what yeah memories of you also which

are what yeah memories of you also which lingers not what you had or what you're

lingers not what you had or what you're able to attain

able to attain um so I think that was something that

um so I think that was something that took me a long time to to to learn and

took me a long time to to to learn and yeah whilst I still have things I don't

yeah whilst I still have things I don't have

have I've actually tried to unclutter my life

I've actually tried to unclutter my life because we

because we now I remember my dad used to call me

now I remember my dad used to call me into the garage and we used to go

into the garage and we used to go through all the crap that he would keep

through all the crap that he would keep I don't know if your dad your parents do

I don't know if your dad your parents do the same thing yeah geez we just used to

the same thing yeah geez we just used to call me and it was the worst day ever

call me and it was the worst day ever when I had to help him clean out the

when I had to help him clean out the garage but we hold on to so many things

garage but we hold on to so many things right

right um so just decluttering your life yeah

um so just decluttering your life yeah making it more simple

making it more simple um so that's why I like I love to go and

um so that's why I like I love to go and surfing that's like the most tranquil

surfing that's like the most tranquil kind of thing that I get to do sit in

kind of thing that I get to do sit in the ocean and sometimes just sit and

the ocean and sometimes just sit and ponder about life what I'm gonna do next

ponder about life what I'm gonna do next and that's my getaway I think people

and that's my getaway I think people have to find that balance of work

have to find that balance of work because if you just work work work work

because if you just work work work work and you don't replenish your energy with

and you don't replenish your energy with positive things then you will just

positive things then you will just continue to be breaking yourself down so

continue to be breaking yourself down so I try and find that balance I think

I try and find that balance I think everyone needs to do that yeah that's

everyone needs to do that yeah that's beautiful surfing skydiving those are

beautiful surfing skydiving those are yours uh Fifth and final question if you

yours uh Fifth and final question if you could create one law that everyone in

could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be

the world had to follow what would it be holy crap uh the one of the things that

holy crap uh the one of the things that I'm like I struggle with every day is

I'm like I struggle with every day is and it's just how life is and it's been

and it's just how life is and it's been the way for thousands of years that

the way for thousands of years that there is such a disparity between

there is such a disparity between wealthy and and the poor and you know

wealthy and and the poor and you know you still when you drive around L.A

you still when you drive around L.A there's still so many people living on

there's still so many people living on the streets

the streets this should you shouldn't be able to

this should you shouldn't be able to have billions

have billions right I think this there should be a

right I think this there should be a limit to how much you can have because

limit to how much you can have because there's enough to go around to everyone

there's enough to go around to everyone so somehow create a lore that creates

so somehow create a lore that creates more equality

more equality yeah and equal access to every for

yeah and equal access to every for everyone you know um

everyone you know um I don't know how to deal with implant

I don't know how to deal with implant Implement that law that's all good but

Implement that law that's all good but like geez man I've met kids that are

like geez man I've met kids that are starving yeah same

starving yeah same and you think oh God like

and you think oh God like how we we are so so lucky so many of us

how we we are so so lucky so many of us um and knowing that and not taking

um and knowing that and not taking advantage of of your everyday

advantage of of your everyday um is so so important it does what law

um is so so important it does what law would you change it does no I think

would you change it does no I think that's beautiful that's I mean we've

that's beautiful that's I mean we've yeah I mean now now yeah I see I see who

yeah I mean now now yeah I see I see who you did there if I had to create a law

you did there if I had to create a law in the world that everyone had to follow

in the world that everyone had to follow this is at least my today answer and

this is at least my today answer and maybe it would change as well is

maybe it would change as well is it kind of and it's inspired by what

it kind of and it's inspired by what we're talking about I think I I wish at

we're talking about I think I I wish at school the law was that every child had

school the law was that every child had to learn about emotional mastery

to learn about emotional mastery to understand how to understand other

to understand how to understand other people's emotions and understand their

people's emotions and understand their emotions and take that into

emotions and take that into consideration when making decisions and

consideration when making decisions and if every child was given that exposure

if every child was given that exposure to emotional Mastery then

to emotional Mastery then people would just have tools of how to

people would just have tools of how to deal with their own pain and someone

deal with their own pain and someone else's pain and

else's pain and and how to deal with when your parents

and how to deal with when your parents are going through pain because I feel

are going through pain because I feel like pain is the issue we have any pain

like pain is the issue we have any pain today that's so good man I told you not

today that's so good man I told you not to come out

to come out you're so right Satisfied by you it's

you're so right Satisfied by you it's going back to education that's why I

going back to education that's why I like when you go to school you don't

like when you go to school you don't learn all the they don't prepare you

learn all the they don't prepare you enough for what's to come not at all and

enough for what's to come not at all and and that's tapping into mental health as

and that's tapping into mental health as you mentioned exactly that's exactly

you mentioned exactly that's exactly yeah and that's kind of where my purpose

yeah and that's kind of where my purpose is right like my purpose is that feeling

is right like my purpose is that feeling of

of you know when I went on lived as a monk

you know when I went on lived as a monk that's where I got exposed to emotional

that's where I got exposed to emotional Mastery like that was the goal of what

Mastery like that was the goal of what monk training was about and I was 21 22

monk training was about and I was 21 22 when I did that wow that's still young

when I did that wow that's still young says a lot about that shows a lot about

says a lot about that shows a lot about you yeah yeah but it was it was kind of

you yeah yeah but it was it was kind of like a Fascination that I had I was just

like a Fascination that I had I was just like well if I can't understand my mind

like well if I can't understand my mind then how can you live life like that

then how can you live life like that that so so anyway it comes from but it

that so so anyway it comes from but it comes from what you're saying that the

comes from what you're saying that the education that needs to happen at a

education that needs to happen at a younger level so Louis it has been such

younger level so Louis it has been such a honor and a pleasure talking today my

a honor and a pleasure talking today my man it's a huge responsibility that

man it's a huge responsibility that you've taken on

you've taken on for yourself for the world and

for yourself for the world and I don't think there could be anyone

I don't think there could be anyone better doing it and I really really hope

better doing it and I really really hope that any help that I can offer any help

that any help that I can offer any help that my community can offer please know

that my community can offer please know that we're right here with you thank you

that we're right here with you thank you right behind you so thank you so much on

right behind you so thank you so much on purpose Community I know would love to

purpose Community I know would love to get behind anything that we can yeah

get behind anything that we can yeah dude I'm so uh I'm so so grateful for

dude I'm so uh I'm so so grateful for the time you give me today yeah and and

the time you give me today yeah and and again for like what you what you do

again for like what you what you do um because you're having such a positive

um because you're having such a positive impact on some so many people including

impact on some so many people including me you know so when you perhaps don't

me you know so when you perhaps don't realize it you're yeah you know you're

realize it you're yeah you know you're having such a big impact

having such a big impact um and I'm so grateful to you for that

um and I'm so grateful to you for that mate thank you man it means the world

mate thank you man it means the world coming from you honestly thank you

coming from you honestly thank you everyone who's been uh listening and

everyone who's been uh listening and watching today make sure you go get

watching today make sure you go get educated about Mission 44 about the

educated about Mission 44 about the Hamilton commission really incredible

Hamilton commission really incredible initiatives that Lewis started that are

initiatives that Lewis started that are leading the way to make sure that

leading the way to make sure that diversity and inclusion are taken more

diversity and inclusion are taken more seriously across all Industries which I

seriously across all Industries which I think we would all agree with and to

think we would all agree with and to anyone else who's watching or listening

anyone else who's watching or listening make sure you tag Lewis and I on social

make sure you tag Lewis and I on social media with your biggest insights there

media with your biggest insights there were so many words of wisdom that Lewis

were so many words of wisdom that Lewis shared I want to know which things stuck

shared I want to know which things stuck out to you which things made a

out to you which things made a difference in your mind and the biggest

difference in your mind and the biggest thing is I want you to pass this on to

thing is I want you to pass this on to someone right there's someone who needs

someone right there's someone who needs to hear Lewis's story that's going to

to hear Lewis's story that's going to transform their life and I want you to

transform their life and I want you to pass it on he shared so many people that

pass it on he shared so many people that inspired him we know he's a huge

inspired him we know he's a huge inspiration to so many make sure you

inspiration to so many make sure you share this with someone because you have

share this with someone because you have no idea whose life you might change

no idea whose life you might change thank you so much if you love this

thank you so much if you love this episode you'll love my interview with

episode you'll love my interview with Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and

Kobe Bryant on how to be strategic and obsessive to find your purpose

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