This podcast episode features a conversation with travel photographer Kevin Mirck, exploring his journey, creative process, the challenges and evolution of photography, and the importance of authenticity and purpose in the digital age.
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sometime you don't know if what's real
or what's not sometime it's a bit
overwhelming social media how do we make
ourselves unique I try to stay
consistent I guess how do you beat the
competition there's enough work for
anyone so instead of like comparing
yourself with other maybe is better even
if you help them do you have any advice
or strategies that can put you in a
place where you you try and have a
steady stream of income or steady stream
of clients that that you're working with
I think you need to
that's a great tip what do you think the
photograph the future of a photographer
but welcome to the mood podcast where
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certainly for you I'm your host Matt
Jacob and thank you for joining me in today's
today's
conversation and today our guest is
Kevin mirck a Travel Photographer who
has captured wonderful images from some
of the most incredible destinations
around the world Kevin's work is
characterized by its vibrant colors
dramatic compositions and a unique
ability to evoke a sense of adventure
and wonder in this episode we dive into
his journey as a photographer exploring
what first inspired him to pick up a
camera and how the online Persona of at
wonders Sky came to life Kevin shares
his creative process from scouting
locations to capturing the perfect shot
and we discuss the philosophy and vision
behind his work how he uses storytelling
to convey emotions and messages through
his images
we also touch on the challenges of
travel photography and the industry as a
whole the evolution of his style and the
impact of social media on his growth as
an artist Kevin offers valuable advice
for aspiring photographers on balancing
content creation for social media with
staying true to their artistic Vision
additionally we explore Kevin's thoughts
on adventure and sustainability and the
responsibility that photographers might
have in promoting in responsible travel
and conservation so now I bring you Kevin
Kevin [Music]
Mick Kevin Mick welcome to the moo
podcast thank you for having me yeah
it's great to have you and um great to
have a fellow barley resident with us so
um I wanted to start with um before we
kind of get on to kind of who you are
and what you do um one thing I I've seen
you talk about is how photography is a
window to the world can you explain that
a little bit more in terms of your your
Insight yeah so photography window to the
the
world window to the
soul um I see it like
um it's a way to
express to show the world to people that
maybe don't will not go plac don't
travel how would they know if there's no
people like you or me that will I guess
document photography for me is more like
a like a documentary show different
angles different uh
perspective and
um I see it also like a
superow like uh it's time travel you
freeze a moment and people can see it in
200 years and then remember oh this guy
took this picture and that that's what
happened at this time if we're not here
to document then it's almost like it
never happened but it's like it's a
window for for people very much and it's
a window that is very subjective right
it depends on your perception as a
photographer and we'll talk about this a
little bit later about what makes you
different and what makes photographers
different from others but you choose to
document landscape cultures why why are
those kind of two main main genres
important to you in terms of your
perception of the
world um I guess because it's how my
journey started as a photographer first
with landscape because of uh traveling
getting out of the comfort zone out of
the country learn English and uh I guess
the the more accessible first uh
approach to photography was landscape
and culture I guess it comes with uh
travel you experience different um
people different way of living from
other people maybe you might not
understand and you want you want to understand
understand
so you try
to capture it you try to get their points
points
um yeah I guess that's
uh that's it I'm we're living in a place
that is full of culture and Landscape
right was that something that Drew you
to Barley initially I guess not
mainly um I guess with most of the
people here they don't know how they
ended up here yeah so it became one of
the reason that made me stay I guess
maybe not the reason that made me like
come here in the first place but then
discoring the island the culture all the
variety of landscape you can get here
you can get within one hour you have a a
luxuriant jungle and then you have a
freezing volcano then you have like
black sand beach white s like you can
get everything here and like it's
all like compact kind of
so and yeah culture definitely is one of
the main thing that made me stay yeah I
think par is
is is a microcosm of Indonesia in in
general in terms of the diversity the
can get here it's predominant it has a
predominant culture but um you know
certainly the landscape is is diverse
like you said within an hour scooter
ride right it's you can get pretty much
anything you want AP from snow yeah not
yet maybe it will come yeah then you
have Bali but you have also so many
different island in Indonesia like you
can just fly one hour and then it's it
can be like similar but completely
different also and different
still like rich in culture but different
culture than here W Sky tell me about
name uh it came
from uh two two things so Wonder came
from wonderlust like Spirit of Adventure
when I started traveling it was like 10
years ago
now and Sky came from [Music]
[Music]
um in my dreams I'm always flying I
ended up flying like um I I grew up with
Dragon Ball Z with what sorry Dragon
Ball Z Dragon Ball Z anime oh I I don't
know that this
guyu ah okay right so they are flying
everywhere and like it's it's like a
dream like if I would have to pick one
super power I would be like flying so I
just combined the two World Wonder sky
and then I put Double Y because the
other one was
taken and you named your dog Sky who's
yeah and then I just uh switch Sky
Wonder that's your style I mean we're
going to get on to that in a minute I'm
interested to know how you cultivated
that style and why it might be important
but let's rewind a little bit about your
beginnings and kind of the point in your
life where you felt photography was kind
of your calling I know travel was a big
part of it but tell us your introduction
into photography how that all all became
so photography uh it it's been a huge
part of my life in even before I I
started like when I was uh younger or
like I was looking at the National
Geographic magazine or any travel
magazine I was always like in oh like
wow like whoever took that picture is
like master and I always wanted to be
that person that can do the same but
never put uh like purpose or time to
pursue this when I was living in France
and then
with um traveling this came more
naturally I
guess traveling okay pick up a camera
and then just shoot whatever even if
first it was just shooting automatic
everything yeah and
um as Obie he came with the the travel
the travel brought the photography into
my life but as a Obie and then at one
point in my life uh was after the
wedding of uh my best friend in Lebanon
I I basically uh spent all my money I
spent all my money and I was living in
Australia at that time and doing any
kind of
work and uh it was fun it was great
lifestyle but uh not doing something uh
fulfilling not something uh I
like just for the sake of
money so on my way back there I was in
the Philippines and uh kind of
like backpacking but like uh hardcore
because no money
left and then I I was in the OT room and
I was thinking
like what do I like to do I like to take
pictures and maybe there's a way to make
it that people would pay me for it and
this was what year that was
in 2018 or 19 okay so then I I was in
the in the hotel room and I was uh on
Facebook still using Facebook Facebook
at that
time and you have a lot of um Facebook
groups French in Sydney French in
anywhere so I just put a message on this
group French in Sydney just with a few
picture I took and saying okay this is
what I do this is what I can do for you
and I didn't expect so many
answers from people that's awesome so
that's how I got the first job there and
then I I shifted uh slowly from all
those uh jobs like uh Construction
removalist everything flyers in little
box anything slowly shifting to more photography
photography
walk and then one year later I moved here
here
and did the
same how has the we talked about travel
I resonate with that because I was a
traveler before I was photographer and
it just just kind of came with the
territory how has travel itself imp
impacted your your view on life and your
kind of outlook on how you want to
express yourself uh I guess the main
thing first is that I learn
English like in high school we learn
English in French but I think the high
school system there in the school system
is not the best for for languages so I
was really average like below average in
English and then I moved to Australia
and three months later I was already
kind of
fluent like just like that like all
those years in
school you don't get anywhere you just
move abroad you stick with English
people for a few months and that's it
then you dream in English and then you sort
sort
it so yeah I guess uh travel impacted
with um yeah with English first and then just
just
like discovering and learning all those
new culture because you don't know about
it unless you go and see for yourself so
yeah and you having a kind of mixed
mixed Origins right you're half
madagascan half French they speak French
in Madagascar right so there's um a lot
speak French yeah like okay either good
French or broken French but still yeah
tell me a little bit about Madagascar I
haven't been love to
goar tell me about how kind of your
roots there impact so my roots there is
they coming from my mom and
um it's a beautiful and wild huge
island lot to discover there
uh my parents actually now they live
there like half a year pretty much so I
try to go every
year and I was living there for one year
when I was younger
also and
um there and also there's a French
island one hour from there
it's part of France but it's not in
France it's called myot so I was living
there for eight years so I guess I I had
this kind of
travel uh lifestyle already like from
ages ago how does it influence do you
think your roots in Madagascar yeah
influence yeah how because when I was
younger I was uh leaving there and
experienc experiencing already like
different culture than W than Western
and as I grew up then I guess I wanted
to see more of it like Madagascar was
kind of like um something I new already
so something else like Asia Australia
and still need to go to South America
but yeah made me want
to seek
more of different culture everywhere and
did you have Inspirations at that time
you know when you started to travel and
you started to kind of pick up a camera
with traveling was were there people
that you looked up to in that space and
were kind of inspired by or did you just
kind of focus on your own thing on your
own style and creating that uh no
definitely there were some some people
uh I think yeah on Instagram that I was
looking looking up to like mostly in the
travel first and then uh more in the
like culture like I love what you do for
example like
amazing and um maybe not only people but
also places like there's like people
based in some places and then like
people based in Iceland or like in uh
Africa or Australia that they made me
like that's how I went to Australia in
the first place because of um people
there and also because of uh movie Warf
Creek oh right okay
okay
interesting um tell me a little bit like as
as
you're kind of creating your way in the
photography World especially with the
Aesthetics and style and we talked about
uniqueness earlier like when you're
trying to be I guess competitive whether
directly or indirectly with other other
photographers and you're trying to pitch
for jobs and it all becomes it starts to
become quite overwhelm ing sometimes how
do you think that us as photographers
are able to stand out from the crowd you
know there more photographers than
there've ever been photographers than
there have ever been before right how do
we how do we do that how do we make
ourselves unique how do we make our work
unique we're using the same gear most of
the time we're using the same software
most of the time how do we what's the
secret recipe uh it's definitely a um
interesting era now I guess mostly post
covid everyone just popped up from
nowhere and people can take amazing
picture now even with the phone you know
and but how you stand out I
think I think you need to stick to to
your style develop your
style and uh stay true to it don't try
to like because there's new people out
there that doing something different and
maybe you think you have to do something
similar to to success I think you need
to keep your own
um your own style your own recipe and
improve it without trying to compete
or to um conform I
guess how do we do that how do we do
that that's a good question how did you
how did you create your style I mean
your style is is unique it's not I mean
it's I it's I've talk about this all the
time I think it's impossible to be
original these days but it's Unique you
can still find your little unique box
right yeah was that by accident or did
you think okay but this is this is what
I want to create this is going to be my
style throughout I think it was a little
bit by uh by accident and I didn't
notice it myself until people told me
about it like for example I would
sometime get
posted in one places because people
share your stuff all the time even
sometime they don't ask but and then
people would send it to me and say oh I
knew it was you even before I check the
tag right and like when you get that a
few times first I guess because of
impostor syndrome thing you you don't
think like you're good enough or
something or you don't think you stand
out but
when then a few people show it to you
then you start to believe it and to have
more confidence
and so I don't know what it's the secret
uh thing in my uh in my style but I try
to stay consistent I guess hi everyone
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back to the episode I think I can tell
you the secret but having spoken to many
many people in your your position is
practice you know the more you do it the
more you kind of learn your own style
right that's true you there's million
different Avenues you can go down but
you can only find those Avenues if you
actually walk down them right oh no that
doesn't work come back oh no that
doesn't work oh I don't really like that
and then you end up finding what you
like and what you're good at and then
what you can be recognized for which I
think is is super important something
else that I really wanted to ask you
about that I saw on some of your work is
how you can have an impact with your
photography and you talked about
sustainability and working with brands
that don't promote you know negative
impacts on the climate environment on
animals which I I'm in full support for
can you elaborate a little bit more as
to why and how if that's been quite
successful for you does that limit the
people that you can work with or do you
find that you know a lot of brands are
open to that kind of
philosophy uh yes I think it limits a
little bit but uh there's still Brands
out there
that that will priortize photographer
like us that want to make an impact but
it's to find it like as in less and less
so or do you think that it's growing a
little bit there's more um I think it's
growing it's better it's more than in
the past for sure like before you you
would never hear about those Brands and
now there's more and more that recycling
things to make new to make new
um uh new products like uh even like
for K like this this brand calii calii
dogware is all from uh recycle stuff the
that's that's the main um how do you say
a modu or or business model model yeah
yeah so this kind of brand before I
think it was really really small you
would never heard about it and now I
guess we start to care more about the
the planet now I hope it's not just a
trend and you know I don't think it's
even a trend yet I mean I wish it was I
don't think it's as trendy as a lot of
other things but um
you know I wish I wish more people would
care more people would certainly
photographers I think a lot of artists
think they're excluded from having to
have any responsibility in in that sense
but you know we we could certainly do
more in the industry I I don't see many people
people
doing work with brands that have share
the same philosophies and same brand
values what I see
is a selfish nature in what people want
to get with likes and follows and and
money right and I get it because people
most photographers most filmmakers are
self-employed right they don't know when
the next job's coming so they need to
pay the bills etc etc but I think if if
we're able to Showcase a culture or a
landscape like you said window to the
world right if we can if we're able to
do that then I don't see why we shouldn't
shouldn't
be showing a window to these more
important like a voice for them
absolutely yeah uh but the brands have
to be responsible as well that there
aren't enough if there aren't enough
Brands to be wanting to to do that kind
of work as well having the budget then
what can we do right we have to do our
own personal stuff which we don't get
paid for and and then sometimes the
brands they just pretend they just just
put this label but then if you do some
digging then you realize that yeah they
don't it's just a quot and it's just for
sure right just for status so it's OD
also even for us when you start working
with someone that how do you know if
it's legit you know are there any
specific causes that you feel very
strongly about that you want to do more work
work
in uh I think here for the the local
issue I guess it would be the plastic
yeah like uh I would really want to like
uh maybe reach out to like uh suy watch
or something and help them with any
project they have
have
um then in the past I was uh working
helping uh rescue
2000 rescue 2000 charity an NGO NGO yeah
so I put a little pause to that because
I was doing it for like one year trade
every month that I put add a little
break but I think I'm ready like to get
back to it and help again help the
island again anyway to to give back to
the this island is good yeah it gives so
much we just take take take all the time
right um especially now like we see this
over developing is like insane oh my
goodness it's it seems to be getting
worse daily and I don't want that to put
people off from coming to Barley but I
also do want to put people off from
coming to Barley
but you know that it's so it's so um
it's so focused on you know essentially
the changu area that it's just it's
insane you go out on the road any day
and it's just seems to be more and more
construction and more and more Road
works and more and more cues but you go
20 minutes outside to the North or to
the West something even 10 minutes
you're just in Paradise right it's so
weird um but yeah the barley gives so
much and um it I think it's it's so I
mean even if it's a selfish Endeavor to
to give back because it is like we feel
more fulfilled feel like we have a
purpose if we just give something back
whether it's just helping a local family
or rescuing 20 dogs or whatever it might
be right um I think if we can find that
type of purpose in our hearts it can
help just so much but in the photography
aspect like I mean I don't do enough
either I'd like like to do a lot lot
more when it comes to photography
because it's so powerful yeah and when
we start to grow on social media and we
have more eyes on our work then I mean
I'm going to put this question to you
with someone who's has over 50,000
followers on his Instagram do you think
there's a point where the responsibility
now shifts like okay I've got a lot of
people looking at my work that means now
I have an element of influence where I
can essentially shape or
affect people's opinions and awareness
and education on matters that I believe
in do you think that's fair to say for
people have started to get larger social
followings um I think it's like it's not
uh it shouldn't be mandatory for them
but they should uh have this this
purpose on their own like if they have
many people looking up to them and
following them it could be even kids you
don't know like uh the the F the future
generation so you you don't want to I
mean I think you have a a purpose or
like to show the good example yeah it's almost
almost
like celebrities oh take a football
player right you know the a lot of
people are divided you know once you
become a famous football player and you
get paid Millions do you have a
responsibility to be a a good role model
you know do you have a responsibility to
behave well and show a good example to
the younger
generation it's difficult it's I
understand kind of both sides but in the
footballers example they got into
football just because they loved
football right they they didn't get into
football I mean get 99.9% of the time
they didn't get into football to be
famous well yeah they are probably a lot
of them kind of like that side of it and
the money of course but they love the
football I don't think we can say that
about photographers or filmmakers and
social media I don't I think most
photographers film me included use
social media and put a lot of effort
into growing on social media because
they either want to be social media
famous they want that validation that
dope mean like oh people love me right
get likes and follows or they want to
make money right they want get exposure
from Brands and and things like that so
I don't think they're kind of the same
um so therefore I think that if you are
going into the social media world with
the purpose of getting likes and follows
and people and an audience then that
intent is very very different you your
intention is to get an audience
therefore once you get that audience for
me it should be integral that you have a
purpose and a responsibility to to do
something good right to either mean why
education's good education inspiration
kind of comes with the territory
hopefully once you get an audience but
like offer something back like try and
you know try and do something good with
that audience that you've worked so hard
to Garner right I don't know what you
think about that if you agree with you I
agree yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
definitely do have you felt that in your
own in your with your own work and with
your own social
um I try to stay and be genuine as
possible not
to to show someone I'm
not I try to say the same I'm in the
daily life like on my uh social media
sometime it's a bit overwhelming social
media for
sure but uh um I get that I agree that
we have a purpose to educate and
document and uh try to do the good the
the right thing I guess yeah that's why
I have an issue with
influences ah yeah don't mind influences
but to influence for the right things
when the people call me influencer I'm
like no I'm not I'm photographer
different yeah yeah people come here on
influencer holidays right where they
just go to the to the main spots around
barley just to get their you know the
the stupid influencer shot of behind
looking up and with a waterfall behind
or something ridiculous like that if
they have that audience use it for good
I'm not saying do everything for a good
cause but just like if you have an
audience then like do some good do do
something useful for it don't just do
the next thing the next thing just for
more likes and more followers yeah yeah
um anyway I digress I've go on the
social media topic
again talk to me about business business
of Photography cuz I'm as someone who's
who doesn't do photography fulltime and
kind of pursue that the business side of
working with Brands and doing
photography projects stuff tell me a
little bit about that world and how you
balance the personal the personal art
with the commercial pressures difficult
that's uh that's difficult but I guess
like everything you need the balance
like I found out like every time you ask
yourself some question about uh should I
do more of this or less of that it's all
about uh the balance for everything
everything in life is the balance so for
commercial and personal is the the same
sometimes you get a lot of similar job
that they don't fulfill you like it's
not something you enjoy
doing could be like anything like
shooting couples
or uh like a uh I don't know like some
sometime just basic real estate thing
like you don't feel you can add your
creative um touch M it can be uh yeah it can
can
be a bit uh stressful because you feel a
bit uh caged yeah
so but then at the end of the day you
have to eat
so but um if you like um you love your
craft and you love
um getting out there and you can find
project that will uh align with you with
your values and uh with your art it's
hard to get but it's possible yeah yeah
or you can even do like uh just project
like with no money uh intent just to be
creative do you have any advice or
strategies that can
can put you in a place where you you try
and have like a steady stream of income
or steady stream of clients that that
you're working with especially if you
can be a little bit selective
those I guess for those it's the one you
have to seek those clients because it's
rare that they those client will come to
you you have to get out there and show
your work and have a portfolio and
send 100 thousand of emails
which I'm really bad at it but
yeah um I guess the best way is to get
out there and uh show your
work uh show you the work you're proud
of mostly like uh your favorite project
your favorite pictures every video or
anything how do you beat the competition
or do you not worry about that
um it's an interesting
question um especially now with all the
the new the new competition
but I guess I was a bit uh scared and
um feeling
threatened by that before but with time
I understood that uh there's no really
competition like
um I see it more as like uh we all doing
something we love and there's enough
work for anyone so instead of like
comparing yourself with other and try to
compete and try to beat them and maybe
it's better even if you help them like
uh I guess you me we have a lot of
creative friend as well if there's
something sometimes you try to get all
the jobs even if you it's not your
expertise you will try to do it but
sometime it's better maybe to give it to
someone else like oh maybe he's better
fitted to do this job or she's better
and then uh maybe even we can work on it
together you know yeah so so I try not
to see too much the competition now and
then I I feel better like bet yeah
that's liberating yeah cuz if you think
too much then you you will get in a
spiral and it's not good that that
that's really important for us to
remember and I think
that there is enough work to go around
there's there's enough abundance in this
life for people to to take their piece
of the pie on so even with so many
photographers these days it's um it's
still out there still B there're still
brands with budgets right and if it's
not this one then is the next one it's
fine yeah say that to the guy who's
account tell me about your attitude to
storytelling with images it's a
very the difficult subject because it's
it's not very clearcut every has their
own way of doing it and with still
images it's even more difficult right we
kind I want to focus on still images
more than than films
but how do you tell
stories how do you tell stories so for
me uh personally I try to [Music]
[Music] show
show
um different point of view different
angles that's why I like different using
different lenses because you get a
closeup you you get a wide angle you get
a drone shot it's the same story but
different angles so I guess they give a
bit of a perspective for
the uh The Watcher the the one seeing
the picture and then
in I guess with Instagram when you do
Carousel is easier to tell a story
because you just slide and then you see
from the same even like I don't know I
can get you portrait and then closeup of
you with the glass maybe of your not not
pad and then they know pretty much what
we talking about
about
um yeah I guess that's what I do the
most is showing different angles and
different uh perspective and I guess the
caption as
well like World story like uh for
culture for example um ceremony then you
want to to tell
people not only show the picture but say
what is it about you know like a
galungan festival or anything like that coming
coming
soon yeah I guess uh any tools you have
to tell the story
camera uh
words uh voice if you want to add voice
anything yeah yeah a lot of it is
technical isn't it um portrait is a
little bit different because you can
help with the person and if you if
you're into directing or posing then you
can help with the expression but yeah I
think I love your take on the different
angles um and how to because I love
doing environmental like an
environmental angle and a closeup as
well and why I like flying the Drone you
know people don't think portraits and
drone but I think it's really important
to provide context yeah and this is
where it's it's a double-edged sword
with you talk about carousels I love
showing series of images because for me
that tells a story I think one image
can't really tell a story it's only like
you can provide context especially if
it's an environmental shot you can you
can get other things in the frame right
but you can tell us story I think that
gets thrown around way too much but when
it comes to series of images like
Instagram have screwed us again because
it's great that we have Carousel option
and that we're kind of forced into doing
carousels no one really posts one image anymore
anymore
but that means we got to we got to take
like five times as many photos and edit
five times as many photos just for one
post right but um yeah first of all
problem I
guess how do you see um how do you see
us moving forward in in the photography
world and what do you think the
photograph the future of a photographer
looks like over the next five to 10
years I guess we have
to to give a definition about
photography because now it's it's um
it's evolving a lot with the AI but it's
like the question do you consider AI
photography or is it just art
like for me I guess it's more art for
the AI because it takes away a bit
the the process of
uh to making a picture
like it takes away the the trill
trill
so I think photography will still evolve
and uh we still be there because uh
because we need uh we need photograph to
to show people in Thousand Years like
how it was in our
generation but
um I guess with the AI coming the future
I'm not sure
but I guess it's needs to be a balance
again like you can use AI for small
things like removing uh something on the
picture removing people I think it's
fine but when you change completely the
the photograph for example
you like me I love the process on
creating a picture there's a full story
be a picture usually people will scroll
on social or go on your website see the
picture say wow nice picture
but they don't know the
process like oh I woke up at 5:00 a.m.
4:00 a.m. for this
shot maybe one week in a row because I
didn't get the right condition yeah and
then now people with AI would just go
there in the middle of the day and put
some stars or put a nice Sunset and it
takes away the the magic of it yeah I
think that's important of getting BTS as
well like m yes yes yes again it's
something else we have to think about
and add but that's the challenge I guess
and I think that will help with kind of
separating the the good from the great
photographers yeah people people a lot
of people won't necessarily want to do
that it's a lot of extra work but I
think certainly the professionals or the
people that have come up before you know
the real rise of Instagram the real rise
of AI then I think to stay at that level
and to to show that they are real images
and it's the real process like you said
um important to get BTS important to I
think legislation to catch up
with how we're going to authenticate
real images you know even Instagram now
you have this made with AI Lobel it's
super weird I I don't yeah I haven't
sometime you don't know if what's real
or what's not yeah even like even videos
you don't know if it's the right face
the real face of someone who they put
yeah someone face and then
I'm more scared for people using like
the way I'm talking now and people you
know could easily use these clips to
just either use my voice or my face to
just completely generate something
artificial yeah which scares me it's
scary yeah like my mom getting these
these people these old people were
getting taken advantage of I mean I
don't if you've heard any stories like
this yeah yeah yeah where their daughter
or their son's voice is being cloned and
then they get sent this message is
saying I need some money money yeah yeah
like how [ __ ] scary and screwed up is
that and that's just the tip of the
iceberg so yeah I mean photography is
kind of a luxury but you know in the
real world it's we've got to prepare
ourselves it's getting a bit out of an
so yeah we just St a little bubble stand
a little barley
bubble where do you think oh sorry why
do you think people follow you follow me
why why should they follow you two
questions okay so why they follow me I
think they probably have a love for
photography I guess and uh as I live in
Bali maybe
they they've either been here before or
want to come here and then maybe they're
looking for inspiration
about B in general or travel
or maybe it's their dream to travel or
also or to to escape
the the office life I don't know maybe
that's one of the reason if they love
travel and photography that's that's my
main thing I will my my goal is
to travel as much as possible as long as
I can because
uh it came late I I think to my life
that I realized that life is short we
have only one but I don't know why
before we don't realize it it's like oh
we need to work and make money and then
then you wake up and you're like oh all past
30s so
yeah yeah I think they if they they like
genuine and
uh photography travel culture that's
that's my main thing if they like uh dogs
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I'll let you get back to it what about
how you move forward and how you evolved
is that something that you're constantly
thinking about how do I get better or
how do I tell the next Story how do I
evolve as an artist um I guess it's
um with what you said before with
practice like practicing evolve evolving like
like
practicing maybe when you get really
good at what you're doing now maybe then
try something new sometime we are a bit
forced to like video but but I guess
it's not a bad thing also to add
something to your to your to your skills
to your skill set so yeah try something
new get good at this and then again
something new but always something that
you enjoy doing don't do something
because you feel forced to but then it's
always balance again yeah yeah I feel
like that's part of the you know being
able to enjoy the process right rather
than is do you think about success being
an end goal for you or something that
you want to achieve or are you just more
focused on the practice the evolution
the journey uh I guess it's always in
the in the back of my mind like success
but it's like uh success is like maybe
at the end or in the in the process but
when you fix one goal and then you reach
it and then you reach you fix a higher
goal yeah yeah always nonstop yeah what
what does the if you think about success
right now what does that look like to
um I guess it would be [Music]
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um created I guess is the word with a uh
with what I enjoy more doing like
culture and travel not not really
commercial but
more travel and culture oriented like
bit like a National Geographic I guess
yeah to give an example so shift does um
not only like projects but like I guess get
get
uh I don't know how to say that to like
main projects in this field
instead of commercial and things that
sometime you don't enjoy doing having
that freedom of choice yeah let's uh
let's start wrapping things up and I
want to kind of end with a little bit of
takeaways maybe we can give to the
audience I want to hear from
you I'm going to give you the chance to
give me three tips and tricks that
you've kind of learned
over six 8 10 years travel photography business
business
social media artart
creativity kind of all of that rolled
into one and speaking to those people
that are wanting to do what you want to
do right people who you say should
follow you or do follow you what can
what what advice can you give to them
and that you've learned along your
journey I guess one advice it's I get a
lot from people that they want to do this
this
but they don't do it they don't start
like they're
scared they're like oh you're so lucky
oh I wish I could do this and then I'm like
like
but start even something
small like if you if it's photography
you want to do then get even a entry
camera is enough to to start and
practice and then maybe later you get
something else but these days is enough
to start and just uh
practice Yeah so I guess that's one tip
I get it's it's kind of like
a I guess it's uh taken a given this tip
uh people need to hear it more like they
just need to start somewhere even small
then another tip is [Music]
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um yeah cuz they people asking about uh
do you edit this how do you do that but
I guess just the best is do
practice Yeah practice is the best yeah
and uh third
tip I'm not sure I don't enough I think
um I can ask you the last
be I
think it sounds it's easier said than
done but being true to yourself like I
think it's it's more important to know
who you are than it is to go and create
amazing work I don't think they're
mutually exclusive I think to to create
a body of work that you're proud of or
to you know look back at some images or
films or whatever type of art or
creativity you're
into and be proud of that I think you
you can only do that when you truly know
yourself and are able to you know
therefore be true to yourself in terms
of what voice what style or what you're
trying to do with with everything that
comes across in work and communication
and certainly with Brands clients your
audience so I think that would be I
certainly agree with your F your first
two I think you
know just start it's there's so many
people um and it's it's more accessible
than ever right now you have a phone you
can start
yeah if you got well you've got social
media is free you know so you can go on
there Garner some
inspiration start
posting send your friends and family and
just just go out and just shoot learn
YouTube's free learn the basics there's
so many free resources these days um so
yeah I I definitely agree with that and
then practice I think people used to say
that to me like no no I've got it no
know you practice whether it's edits or
the most common I've just built an
online course around this question most
people ask me or they stopped asking me
now because I think they know me better
but what camera did you use what lens do
you use or what settings did you use for
that shot right no you're asking the
wrong you're asking the wrong question um
um
practice and um just go and figure out
what does work okay it's not the it's
not the gear
and it's not not most of the time it's
not the setting yeah I wanted to say
something about that about it's not only
the gear it's like so many factors that
will affect one shot or like the I guess
ability or capacity of one photographer to
to
take advantage of of the gear like it's
not not only the gear but like I was
always thinking
like even just the breathing
like if someone has more steady end than
someone then they can take more
advantage of a slow shutter speed and
get more light than someone else for
example y just like oh maybe if you work
on your breathing or uh if you have yeah
more steady end or that's a great tip
like someone cuz when you shoot in low
light okay you can use maybe the flash
or something but some people maybe don't
like to use the
Flash and uh someone with a more steady
end could sh could could shoot
more uh in the blue hour than someone
else I don't know like so many factors
yeah I drink too much coffee to shoot blue
blue
out no but it you're totally right
because people rely on image
stabilization if they they buy the most
expensive camera and they go it's got
you know image stabilization I'll be
fine but it's you know it's it's kind of
defeats the the point the point being if
you're Mindful and thoughtful enough and
you're able to to be in that moment and
be relaxed and people don't talk about
breathing enough but it's so important
especially if you're shooting maybe
Wildlife or you're shooting people right
Landscapes a little bit different
shooting on tripod but even then like
just to be able to breathe be in the
moment make sure you get it capturing
the right moment all these little things
they're so much more important than the
gear it's not the gear that makes the
photographer right it's the photographer
the makes but sometimes when people tell
you oh your camera takes good picture like
oh and I'm a guy that loves buying good
equipment I love but that's not the same
point it's like I'm it's just bonus you
know yeah it's a bonus exactly like if
you know you've got to know how to use
that equipment and and get the best out
of it um and yeah obviously the better
camera with the better sensor and the
better lens is going to get you a better
quality image but you've got to know how
to get that image in the first place to
then get the best out of that quality
right it's yeah it's like uh for example
in paddle yeah you buy the best rocket
the doesn't doesn't mean you going to be
a great player yeah it's analogous to
any yeah anything like that right anyway
speaking of paddle we've got to get you
off to your paddle tournament thank you
so much for um for joining me today I
know it's bit thank you for having me it
was great great conversation really
enjoyable and um I know you come here a
few times before for for coffee so make
sure you keep coming back back yeah of
course I will yeah hopefully I'll see
you again yeah thanks so much you will
cheers thank you [Music]
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