This video series, "Breaking Bread," explores the journeys of newcomer families in Chilliwack, BC, through the universal language of food, highlighting their personal stories, cultural heritage, and contributions to the community.
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hi my name is Mark Hart welcome to my
home chilak BC one of the most beautiful
and friendly cities in Canada chillak is
also one of the fastest growing cities
in Canada and a large part of this is
coming from an influx of new Canadian
families each bringing a part of their
cultural heritage to our community in
collaboration with the chilak local
immigration partnership
this video series aims to explore the
stories of these newcomer Families how
through the universal language of food
by baking together and breaking bread
together as a professional Baker and
owner of Rise baking lab a small baking
School in chilak BC I'll be spending
time baking with these newcomers will
dive into their culinary Heritage but
more than that will uncover their
personal Journeys along the way our
journey will culminate in a grand
celebration where the stars of the
series the newcomers themselves
will cater the event showcasing chill's
growing cultural diversity join me in
celebrating the rich and growing
tapestry of cultures that make chilak
such a Vibrant [Music]
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Community welcome to episode four of
Breaking Bread today's guest is the
director of diversity education and
resources at the archway Community
Services in abbotford let's welcome muhi
bakini hello welcome to the show yeah
thank you thank you for having me okay
let's start things off with just talking
about the recipe we're going to make so
what are we going to make today we're
going to make uh shakshuka sud I will
call it sud shakshuka because there are
different types of uh shukas okay um the
most famous one is the Moroccan one but
the difference between the sudes and the
Moroccan which is like more familiar um
is the Moroccan one is uh for our taste
we we think it is a bit watery the Shuka
is a little bit uh drier yeah though you
prepare it with the intention of eating
it with uh bread of your choice okay
okay and what uh what kind of meal is
this is this need it for is it a
breakfast is is it any any particular
time of the day that you would eat this
um yeah it depends uh on where the Su is
who is eating this dish is it's living
back home is actually considered like uh
you can eat it during the dinner time
yeah but uh here it can be um e as a as
a breakfast because it is very um easy
to cook yeah and um you can really
prepare it very fast but also um if
you're about to go to to bed and you
feel hungry also this is something that
you can eat because it's also just uh
lighter and you can just whip it up yes
yeah exactly nice and is there uh is
this something that you ate a lot back
home or is it uh uh back home not a lot
because um there's just variety of food
there so you would want to like eat as
different varieties of food as possible
but here yeah time is really limited
yeah um so yeah this is something that I
eat here very regularly okay um let's
let's start off we'll do some some prep
for the dish and then we'll keep
chatting um right so let's just talk
about what we have for the ingredients
here so it's tomatoes peppers garlic
pretty simple ingredients here yeah and
the the the basic ingredient here is
eggs so let us not forget that that is
the backbone of the dish yeah but uh you
can you can add any ingredient of your
choice but uh I really like the the pepp
ERS because if you're really into
fitness and working out if you happy
sport they can really help with uh
recovery they can also prevent arthritis
as well okay right so it's h it's not
just the taste but also the nutritious
value that you can get from the dishes
and eggs and the protein and everything
um so so how do we do this let's let's
go through and see what we're we just
what kind of CH how I don't I have no
idea so let's go through yeah so it
depends on how much time you have if
like if you have time and you're you're
preparing it after work um you might
want to start with frying the eggs first
and then add one ingredient at a time uh
but I would assume that we are all
living at a very limited time yeah so
what I'm going to do is uh like chop up
all the the ingredients and break the
eggs and mix everything and put
everything in and just let them cut let
it cook okay and so let's let's chop
some stuff up um what what do we want to
start let us start with tomatoes first
okay okay is this now I I was I was
purchasing the ingredients for this is
this the right kind of like do you use a
particular kind of tomato for these or
just regular Tomatoes I know there's
like that's that's a great question
because um like if for folks who are
eating ethnic food um they would know
that you'll have to just work with
whatever you find right because a lot of
a lot of ingredients that you would use
back home you might not find them here
yeah but also it is an opportunities
like I'm not like complaining about this
this is like actually is good okay okay
so yeah yeah okay well let's let's do
that how many do we need is this this is
this is this is enough so let's just
make sure that we will uh be able to
feed everybody so okay four is is enough
okay yeah just grab a knife and and uh
yeah so the the goal here is to try to
um to like to chop it up as small as
possible so that you want everything um
to to blend in right okay okay and you
don't want like big this this knife
might be better let me see okay yeah and
you will need also a very sharp knife
yes yes for the tomatoes yes um we
haven't been to the to the knife
sharpener in a little
um so you're from Sudan yes and uh if
you wouldn't mind while you're chopping
if you can if we can do them both at the
same time uh tell me a little bit about
um what H you're you're just where
you're from and and a little bit of your
story from uh what what brought you here
you're you're in abbottford now yeah I
know it's a long story um and also I'll
just let everybody know um that muhi has
uh a really great chapter in this book
here it's called Uh geographies of the
heart and it's a it's a bunch of stories
from newcomers to Canada um some some
very incredible stories and his story is
in here and uh there's you know a lot uh
of amazing things in this book so you
should check this book out um and if you
want to find out even more about his
story it's it's all in this book here
well not all of it several pages of it
I'm sure it could spill up quite a lot
more but um yeah so yeah what's what
what brought you here and how how long
what age were you when you moved and I
know you you've lived a few different
places so yeah so um as you mentioned
Mark I'm originally from Sudan um I left
the country as a a political Refugee I
was a student at the University of Juba
in cartoon the capital city um and
because of my political SL religious
activities at the University campus I um
got into issues with the the sudin
National Security man and I had to leave
the country for safety okay I left Sudan in
in
2004 July 2004 with my wife and our
oldest daughter um to Egypt which is a
neighboring country
yeah um and and applied for Asylum
seeking in in um in Egypt we we stayed
there I stayed there for three and a
half years yeah before um I had to flee
again to Israel because it wasn't also
safe for me in in Egypt and I left my
wife and um our two daughters so our
second daughter was actually born in in
Egypt okay um so because I'm a sudanes
national I could not enter into Israel
legally because Sudan and Israel are at
the state of
hostility um for a long time so I had to
get myself smuggled into the country um
about two years later leaving my my
family behind actually two years later
we were able to to reunite as my wife
and two daughters were able to also get
themselves smuggled into Israel and we
got reunited there um together with left
we we lived there for 5 years before we
were privately sponsored by two Canadian
couples uh one couple lives here in
absur and other couple lives in um in
Edmonton Alberta okay um so we came here
in 2012 okay may of 2012 so it has been
in in May it's going to be 13 years in
Canada okay so you were a long time in
between though you like because you how
old were you when you when you left
Sudan you're really asking me to do the
math we trying to know how we're almost
the same age actually yeah I was 24 24
okay and so so you had had a long period
of being in between before you came here
yes um now I know also well let's let's
get back to the to the that's enough
Tomatoes there yeah this is enough
tomato we decided first we are going to
go with four but it's a lot so it is
three now okay hopefully it's enough
good yeah we can we can you know it's
it's just for a we don't have to feed
the the entire we just it's just a taste
um so how do we same thing with the
peppers we're going to chop them up real
but just half of it because it's really
big yeah yeah so I I know from from
reading your story that you know and
this is a big uh thing with a lot of uh
guests on the show is that there's
somebody you know or or some people who
really um had a big uh part of your
story and in in in getting you here in
um you know in helping you um you know
through and I I know you had uh your
sponsors and that kind of thing but it
seems like you had you know kind of
several instances of of meeting them and
coming back and and um things kind of
seemed a little bit meant to be for that
um so yeah you want to tell me a little
bit about that situation yeah I think I
should start by telling you about uh how
uh we him to be a friend to our our
Canadian friends and sponsors yeah so
our sponsors names the husband name is
is Dean and the wife's yeah his wife's
name is Glenny so uh Dean and Glenny
twidle these are um retired Canadian
teachers yeah who came to Egypt to train
teachers at my school so when I left the
country Sudan to Egypt yeah um um there
I actually found that sud's kids
and African kids in general were not
allowed to attend um Egyptian public
school okay um so it was um like
discriminatory yeah for them and I
thought of doing something and I started
a center for like Educational Center for
kids uh I can't call it a school because
um we didn't have the um like the all
the certification needed to to call it a
school but I was an educational center
basically to prepare students by
teaching them basic um subjects like
math English Arabic um so that U because
their families also were awaiting
resettlement in the west yeah so it was
basically a kind of um education to
prepare them for better education um
when they get resettled to to the West
so I started a school there
and so most of the teachers that I had
there were not qualified like they were
not trained they were educated but not
trained as teachers yeah so um I wanted
to I consider some professional
development opportunities for them but
also because I didn't have a budget to
to hire experts to come and train the
teachers I reach out to one of the
international churches in um in um in
Egypt the church is called the
Evangelical International Church okay
and they were able to link me with um
some teachers in the West
yeah and part of that cohort of um
teachers who came to uh to train my
staff were um Dean and Glenny ttles from
Canada and we from there our friendship
started actually I I also ended up being
a student in the teachers program
because I wasn't even trained myself to
be a teacher guess what I was the school principal
principal
yeah but uh but you know I I guess you
have to do um what you have to do in the
situation I mean and if you're if you're
trying to get some education to to the
kids and and and so you had they came
and they they they were trying to teach
you how to how to run the help run the
school and do the education and and
train the teachers there yeah we knew
how to to run the school but uh not
necessarily how to teach the subject so
we are a bit lucking in uh sub subject
matter expertise yeah so they were able
to just to teach us how to be teachers
yeah yeah okay and did you I I mean a
lot of the story ends up and in of your
story is you did a lot of um work you
know whe either whether translating or
teaching English did you grow up
speaking um several languages or how
yeah yeah I uh I grew up as a as a
bilingual speaker so okay um my native
uh language like my mother tongue is
Nubian so Nubians are ancient Egyptians
okay um so that was the language that I
spoke at home and also in Sudan the
national language is Arabic okay it is a
language that was imposed yeah on
indigenous uh tribes and communities in
Sudan and over time it became the
national language of every of the
country and everybody basically spoke it
but also it was the language of
instruction in the school if you don't
speak Arabic you would't be able to
attend school right and actually my name
m is a is also an Arabic name it means
lifegiver um so yeah I didn't just end
up with um Arabic as my primary language
but also I ended up with an Arabic name
um an Arabic culture okay and when did
when did English come into it then or or
did you grew up speaking English already
or h no you no okay okay so um as a as a
child I went to uh Christian School yeah
and um I got a little bit of exposure to
English there but actually just like uh
alphabets and ABC these kind of things
but also not from native speakers right
okay um I I believe the first time I
heard English from a native speaker
maybe I was already 20 years old oh okay
yeah um so yeah but uh in high school I
really um fell in love with with English
because I just really needed something
that is different something that is
unique yeah and English just happened to
uh to to be that for me yeah but it was
really hard to to learn it from native
speakers and yeah and then they struggle
but I had had a passion for but it came
it really came into use for you I and
throughout that you were working helping
to translate
people's um uh applications and things
like that and and then when you when you
came to Canada you did what did you
um you for your education here you came
back to Canada you started working and
then you you did you you studied here
again I'm trying to yeah yeah yeah so as
I told to you earlier I left the country
as a political Refugee because of my
activities at the University of Juba
yeah so I was studying developmental
communication okay and I was in my third
year just uh one year away from
graduation yeah but I had to just leave
everything uh in search of safety yeah
um so when I came to Canada I couldn't
use those education or credentials right
right so I had to start from the scrotch
but luckily I didn't take English
courses yeah yeah so I took um a test
called English composition test okay
basically just to determine if your
English is is okay enough to to take
university courses surprisingly I passed
okay okay and uh I started taking
university courses so I went to
University of fras of Valley yeah I did
uh a major a major in political science
okay and a tesle certificate that is
teaching English as a second language
right um and I graduated uh with honor
and distinction from the program and I
got accepted into uh UBC for a masters
of public policy and Global Affairs and
my focus was on energy Justice and
energy transition and resource
development okay yeah wow okay and then
and then you then uh well let's get do
we have to start heating up the frying
pan uh yes okay let's get that going uh
oh just SEC here came just keep the uh
the heat lower just a little like yeah
just like three and a half we'll get it
warm up and then we can change it it
changes real quick yes um so and we need
some garlic and yes yes how much garlic
you like a garli two is good okay and
maybe I can chop up I have just these uh
Sano Peppers is that okay yeah yeah
that's fine yeah with with the seeds you
like it
spicy I like it spicy but let's not make
it too spicy not too for General yeah I
don't know how spicy these are let me see
oh they're spicy yeah okay it's too
spicy it's not too spicy but uh it's pretty
pretty
spicy I'll English
right um so then you went on to do
something kind of different though with
your career uh yes because
um when I did developmental
communication I was so young young and I
wanted to uh to be able to
go to different Villages um in Sudan
for um some developmental projects right
yeah but uh over the years um I felt
like I was getting older I needed
something that I can yeah I can yeah I
can do locally so this why I consider
studying Canadian politics and um yeah
and Canada is a resource rich country so
I consider the Masters in in energy and
resource development M but now you're on
um working for the the uh what's called
Archway Community Services yeah in
diversity education which is uh it has
nothing to do with what I
studied we were talking a little earlier
though that I mean education is uh you
know there's there's you know um no no
bad education necessarily and you know
it's something everything leads
somewhere you know even if it's a
crooked line as to where it leads yes
yeah we talked about um the goal of any
educator is to uh is that uh a student
or a learner will will be able to
generalize whatever they learned in the
in the classroom settings to life real
life situations right um and I think
maybe I succeeded in that because um in
some ways I took something that
has no direct relevance to what I'm
doing now that I learned in in classroom
settings to apply to real life
experiences yeah yeah okay so we're
going to just crack the eggs into a bowl
and uh and whisk them up y all right
right and here I'll grab a little bow
you I like this technique here we've had
every we had another egg disc too where
we had the two eggs just crack in each
other uh technique as well so every
technique of cracking the eggs yeah as
long as you crack them
yeah excellent okay I need three more
and like most of the recipes that we've
done in the show this is just kind of a
bit of an eyeball and as to how many
we're doing here yes um is there a ratio
or something or no just there's no ratio
it's basically uh it depends on your
taste and um yeah and your preference
looks like you can you can move things
around looks like we've got like a
little bit more vegetables than eggs
here yeah but uh if you like vegetables
then you might enjoy it okay
I've got a cloth here for you all right
um okay and we're going to whisk those
up yeah just um I'll put a little bit of
salt here yeah I think this is just uh
and then it corrects that
yeah so a little bit of salt again just
to taste yeah and do you I will put more
salt later so okay okay do you like
things salty uh not too salty not too
salty okay I'm I'm a I'm a salt uh I
shouldn't be because I have high blood
pressure but I love
salt so um and then and then the only
the only real like kind of spice in here
is we're going to have black pepper salt
and and pepper that's for the SE I I put
already uh black pepper here okay so
okay so the the egg is nice now yeah and
what goes in the pan first the eggs the
eggs okay yeah and um sometimes I just
put everything at the same time but uh
you can it's always good to start with
first so now I can add everything now
okay and just toss it in yeah and if you
need to turn it off
you know it it changes pretty quickly on
there after adding everything up now
it's just time to keep mixing and
steering so is there something that
we're supposed to be looking for in the
pan here is it sizzling or is it a slow
cook that we're going for on here um how
do we know what what temperature to be
at first you need to start paying
attention to the tomatoes sometimes if
it is too watery yeah so it means that
you will need to um to like to to add
like to to make the heat uh more to put
more heat okay so that uh remember the
goal is to um to have it very dry and
less watery okay otherwise you will not
be making Sudan shakshuka you might be
making Moroccan shakshuka okay okay this
is the this is the key is getting to dry
out while we're cooking it yes okay it
looks great and is there um what when is
it when do we get it done is it uh just
once it's dried out a certain amount and
the dried out and all the ingredients
are Blended like perfectly Blended okay
so in the end it's going to be like
really quite scrambled yes yeah yeah
won't if we do it successfully okay yeah
yeah you can't even recognize the
ingredients because they're like fully
integrated okay okay so it's not like
eggs with vegetables it's all together
yes okay this is good um now
let's cook this and in the meantime um
you you also is it do you you're also
doing some work with the local
immigration partnership in in abbottford
and maybe tell us a little bit about
that since they're actually the ones
that are um not the abbottford the
chilak local immigration partnership is
our partner in producing this and it
would be maybe we could talk a little
bit about that yeah um so first list are
with the concept of local immigration
partnership yeah um so ideally the the
federal government would love to see a
local immigration partnership in every
Canadian city um the local immigration
Partnerships sometimes are um conflated
with um settlement workers right uh but
the difference is the settlement workers
work with the newcomers and immigrants
to the
country and the local immigration
partnership staff they work with the
existing communities right um to to
prepare prepare them for receiving
newcomers okay but also we work
generally to create conditions that are
condusive to welcoming and integrating
newcomers into uh into the communities
basically when I say communities it can
be um cultural communities religious
communities but also institutions like
universities um uh second High secondary
schools hospitals um organizations in
the in the city like body because the
newcomers ultimately will need to
interact with this organization and
communities we want the communities to
know who is coming to to the
neighborhood uh what are their needs
right and how to to deal with them when
when once they they come to to their
doors and so what are some of the things
I mean this is one of the things that
they do but what what are some of the
ways that they that you go about uh
achieving that um in the community
yeah it's a it's a is a is a tall order
isn't it yeah it sounds like a big
concept so yeah how do you actually kind
yeah yes so uh one of the best ways to
um one of of the identities of a local
immigration partnership is uh is the
identity of community convenor okay
basically uh we try to bring people together
together
yeah so this this is why even though I
work for abur local immigration
partnership I welcome the opportunity to
come to chilak here because the chilak
local immigration partnership is also a
a partner in doing this work so we are
not just locally minded we are also
regionally minded so we wanted uh we we
also prioritize the Fraser Valley region
so we work in close partnership together
so I knew there is going to be an
audience here and also the content of
this is going to be widely shared so
this is one of the Strategic
opportunities for us to talk about local
immigration partnership but also to
speak directly to to the community
members about the importance of doing
this work yeah which is going to be uh
very important uh given the the current
context of um um like the the the trade
relationship between
US and Canada and how this is going to
have a cascading impacts on um
internally here in Canada so so I mean
now is a actually yeah super difficult
political moment I think coming with
everything that's happening in the
states and trying to I guess it' be very
important to keep the priorities up for
this type of work in Canada to make sure
that that you know stays I know that's
something that's very difficult there's
a a lot of those programs that are at
risk now in the in the US and this is
such an important uh piece of work that
that you're doing um and so hopefully we
can keep keep that everything going with that
that
um yeah how do they operate so yeah so
we have chil or you have the community
services the local Abbotts foro to
chilak community services and the local
immigration Partnerships yes um so how
does that op operationally how does that
work uh so basically the local
immigration partnership in chilak um
their their mandate is to work here in
chilak yeah to build the right
conditions for for newcomers to to
integrate yeah in the city right but uh
um sometimes they don't have to do it
alone right because we are doing the
same work in absord we exchange
expertise and ideas uh so for example
Kim who uh who works now with Jenny in
Kil local immigration partnership she
used to work with me okay right but also
this sector faces
um um a lot of um funding precarity yeah
and we need to um to share our staff
together right so we want to make sure
that the staff who have built expertise
and experiences doing this work um are
we are not losing this expertise and and
and ideas right so we exchang them so um
so I I suppose a certain amount of your
work is also advocate advocating for you
know maintaining the the funding and
everything for this work I mean it's um
something that has to be constantly uh
the importance of it it's has to be put
forward to the community and that kind
of thing is just to make sure the
funding is there for these programs and
yeah uh with funding it's really hard to
Advocate but uh the best way is to for
to to sustain funding is to diversify
right so the local immigration
partnership is funded through the the
feds yeah um sometimes when when they
explicitly tell us that they don't have
enough funding for particular projects
um rather than advocating for it we
consider other funders right because uh
the clients and the work that we need to
do we cannot like park it and and and
then like just advocating right need to
very quickly we need to Pivot find
alternative funding so that we can
continue doing the work um luckily for
me in the absord local immigration
partnership I also oversee the diversity
education Yes program that helps us also
do some advocacy work in the community
okay but also um have conversation
around some difficult uh topics like racism
racism
discrimination uh but also some
interesting topics around Community
belonging inclusion Equity all this
conversation we are able to to have it
because uh we are funded by the
provincial government to do this kind of
work okay so yeah that's that's a very
uh complicated I guess system to keep
everything um running all the time and
so this is a question that I asked all
of our guests uh since the show is
called breaking bread um what what does
it look like for for you I mean either
either now or or traditionally you know
breaking bread as a concept of of
sitting down um and having Community
together through through food um maybe
just describe a little bit about what
that means for you or what that's meant
in in your current life or in the past
or yeah um food is a is a great
connector right um it is and I think for
me food food is a is one of the
opportunities that we have to to connect
with people and once we we sh we we
break bread together and eat together on
the same table I think we'll have
greater chance of also cultivating
empathy and understanding towards one
another um and I think these are great
cultural traits to have because as I
mentioned earlier we do a lot of
advocacy work around um anti-racism
inclusion belonging yeah this um these
topics are
actually um well facilitated and done
when people have empathy towards one
another it is really hard to be
anti-racist and to be inclusive if you
do not have empathy right yeah but uh
for us to to build empathy we need to
find Opportunities to bring people
together and food seems to be one of
those connectors great yeah no that's
that's uh that's amazing so we were also
talking about uh uh coffee a little
earlier yes in a similar um uh moment of
you were talking about the preparation
of coffee and um back at home in in
Sudan and how that was the it's not just
having the coffee together it's the the
preparation of it as well I guess it's
part partly also preparing food and um
and and eating together the whole thing
kind of goes together for building
community building that and I guess
that's partly a little bit what we're
trying to do with this show um is you
know the really the the food here is is
about it's really about the conversation
but the food is kind of the the way to
kind of get us there through this
conversation and and bring people in and
um create some interest with that and so
I guess this is kind of works into that
that that food and breaking bread is a
really a great way to share community
and like you're saying build the empathy
there yeah actually actually my mom
sometimes she's very disappointed when I
tell her that uh I go to a place called team
team
Horton to to grab my coffee from there
because she will just feel like the the
process of preparing coffee which is
really important and fundamental for
coffee drinking back home she feels like
all that process is taken away you just
go and take coffee and go right yeah um
so now you were saying you even roast
the beans and roast the bean grind it
and do the whole thing together
yes I think in my family too um for for
I mean it's not just about eating the
meal together but a big part of it is
preparing food together as well uh it's
a great way for family bonding it's a
great way to have you know to with
friends and that kind of thing is
actually the preparation of the food in
the similar to the way that you're
talking about the preparation of the
coffee can be a great uh place to build
some Community as well yeah and I think
this is this is really to uh to do
something While others are there seeing
the process because there's a lot of
great things that we do for people but
uh because they don't see it they don't
see the efforts behind it sometimes it's
not appreciated yeah so this maybe it's
just a reminder that um there's a lot of
good things that are that we do to each
other but because we don't see it uh we
lack appreciation for them maybe it's
just a reminder that yeah yeah to pay
attention cl to the things that we do
not see that are done for us or we do
for others yeah amazing so you you have
um been you know in Sudan in Egypt in
Israel and Canada and so I would imagine that
that
you're you know we I usually ask about
you know traditional foods that you know
either that you miss having here or that
you can't have or that you try to try to
do but you know as we were talking
earlier you've got you know a pretty
diverse background of different foods so
you know it's uh probably a little bit
um easier to to find you know something
but is there specific things that you
miss uh that you you can't get here or
that are hard to get here or is is there
you know those kind of dishes that are
impossible to get here or yeah that's a
that's a great question and I think that
is um it's a challenge for the smaller
cultural and ethnic communities so the
uh the choice of having ingredients to
cook um ethnic food it depends also on
the size of the ethnic and cultural
Community um in the city yeah here we do
not in comparison we do not have a big
Sudanese Community which also means it won't
won't
justify like having a business around
ethnic food yeah so yeah but uh for some
ethnic groups that are really um big
like the Indian um group for example
there is access to yeah ingredients
right uh but
also if you're a person who left your
home country and directly to Canada you
will also be more inclined to to miss
ethnic food yeah but uh in my case and
my family because we have been all over
we left Sudan to Egypt we stayed there
for several years and then to Israel we
stayed there for several years and now
in Canada it has been 13 years
yeah there's no there's no way that you
can all time continue yeah continue to
miss that but uh there's also a very
strong memory with food right like
they're just some food that we're unable
to just forget yeah right um so yeah for
those we really hunt for for ingredients
but also we try to adopt
some um ingredients that are not
traditional what we used right yeah so
the tomatoes and the uh and the papers
that you have here they're not exact
much for what we we had back home but uh
it's close it's close it's close enough
are there any Sudanese restaurants close
like in Vancouver or anything that found
there there is one Su restaurant in uh
New West okay but it's very small now
but also there are a lot of sudin
refugees coming here like resell
refugees so the community is getting uh
bigger yeah uh that means there will be
a chance for starting bu businesses
including like ethnic businesses and and
and having more ingredients available
and yeah this is coming along okay it
looks like yeah it's definitely drying
out a lot more now this is getting sudanes
sudanes
yes very close um just get a little bit
more water cooked off and yeah and so we
turned up the heat a little bit now
there's a bit of a Sizzle It's seems
like it's getting a little bit more the
water quickly yeah beautiful and now you
were mentioning um that you often eat
this with with bread yes um is there a
specific type of bread you know that
that you would I know here you probably
just whatever bread there you know kind
of probably not getting or is there is
there more traditional breads that you
can get here uh no bread is uh the
easiest thing to to get here so when it
comes to bread I think we're we're okay
we're happy with that yeah okay yes uh
but also yeah we can my wife actually
makes makes makes it at home okay so
yeah sometimes if it's if it doesn't
meet our standard we can we can make it
at home nice yeah no B uh baking bread
at home is the is the best way to do it
I mean you it's not very hard to to
outdo the grocery
store definitely when it comes to bread
that's that's one of the things it's
pretty easy to to to beat at home and
you know we teach a lot of bread baking
classes here and you know even if it's
not uh the most beautiful loaf of bread
um it's it's always delicious and when
it comes homemade this is what I love
about being a baker actually is that
everybody loves bread um even people
that can't eat bread love bread I've
I've met very few people in my life that
are uh not uh not bread likers so um
that's great um so oh this is looking
really great now this is really drying out
out
goodness I'm you know with with
everything Louis and I when we uh bake
here at the lab everything we make we we
bake very hard we like everything baked
dark and everything you know really
cooked well but you know there's a
there's a range because my wife likes
the bread very light I like it very dark
and I guess it's a similar thing here
that you can just you know what level of
cooking you know you can go for Dish
yeah yeah but you got to make sure she
likes it I guess oh we good now you're
good okay excellent yeah that looks
great stop it yep yep we can turn it down
down
here so it looks like it's done yes yeah
yeah it is okay let's uh let's have some
so it is done now theak Shuka is ready
okay looks delicious yes and if we had
some bread that would be a little better
okay
awesome all right well it's been great
having this conversation with you I
think it's an important conversation and
uh been really great to hear your story
and thanks for being on the show yeah it
has been a pleasure talking to you and
coming to your Show excellent okay thank
you then we just eat Cheers
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