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Overconfidence, stemming from cognitive biases and a lack of accurate feedback in complex environments, can lead to catastrophic errors, as exemplified by the downfall of Barings Bank and other historical disasters, and affects individuals across all levels of expertise.
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Friday the 17th of July 1992. Amidst the
chaos of the trading floor at
Singapore's International Stock
Exchange, one of the junior traders
makes an expensive mistake.
Instead of buying 20 futures contracts
for a client, she sold them instead,
costing Beerings Bank nearly $40,000.
To save her job, her boss, Nick Leon, a
young trader keen to make his mark,
decides to hide the loss. He puts it in
an obscure error account. That's account 88888.
88888.
It's used by banks to solve small
discrepancies in trades. It's a
dangerous move and it should have been
picked up by the central office
immediately. But when nobody from
bearings notices, he gains confidence,
convinced he can win back the loss and
get the team out of trouble.
>> I'm operating in the belief that I can
get it back.
You know, maybe it goes back to the
confidence thing. I don't know. I mean,
I'm confident I can get it back at that
stage. But Leon's staggering
overconfidence would create a debt of
gargantuan proportions and lead to one
of the biggest collapses in banking history.
history.
It's easy for me to make the case that
overconfidence is the most dangerous of
the human biases. Overconfidence gets us
into all sorts of trouble.
It leads us to take risks, make
commitments, enter contests, try things
that will ultimately fail, sometimes in
costly, embarrassing, and dangerous
ways. Overconfidence has been implicated
in almost every big disaster, from the
sinking of the Titanic to the Chernobyl
nuclear disaster to the loss of the
space shuttle Challenger. But
overconfidence isn't reserved for just a
few reckless individuals. We can all
fall victim to it. For example, 93% of
us think we are better drivers than the
median, which is of course impossible.
The scale of the problem was identified
in some now classic research with a set
of simple quiz questions. True or false?
Australia is wider than the moon. Oh, I
bet they're about the same size.
>> It's just it looks small on a map, but
it's huge.
>> Are there more or less stars in the
Milky Way than trees on Earth?
>> More stars. more stars.
>> One teaspoon of pure olive oil,
>> 4 1/2 g, contains more chemical
potential energy than an equivalent 4
1/2 g amount of TNT.
>> I'm going to say true.
>> Oh no,
>> this feels kind of like a trick question.
question.
>> The energy density of butter is 10 times
that of lithium batteries, right? I
mean, lithium batteries are rubbish.
Everyone's going on about them. Just run
your car on butter, I say.
>> True or false? Plants are more efficient
than the average solar panel at
absorbing the sun's energy.
>> Yeah, they must be.
>> Now, these aren't the exact questions
from the original research. More on
those later, but the specifics don't
really matter. The interesting bit is
what they asked next. How confident are
you that you are right?
>> 100% confident.
>> 100% confident.
>> 100. Yes.
>> I think it's true. Um, so I've also got
to go 90%. >> 100%
>> 100% >> 100%
>> 100% >> 100%.
>> 100%. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I don't think we actually had any
expectations. This was very early on the
re in in the research on on confidence
assessment, but we didn't really know
what we what what we would find.
>> The results revealed a surprising
disparity between how accurate someone
thinks they are and how accurate they
actually are. When people are 90%
certain, they are right only 75% of the
time. In fact, we ran our own version of
this online and found an even more
extreme discrepancy. We asked the
Veritassin community a bunch of science
questions and then asked how confident
they were in their answer. Our results
showed that those who were the most
confident, describing themselves as 91
to 100% sure, were only correct 51% of
the time. Since the original research,
these results have been replicated again
and again in all areas from general
knowledge to motor skills and it affects
everyone even experts. I have a paper
where we analyze the survey of
professional forecasters. These are
chief economists at various corporations
and banks who are invited to forecast
the state of the economy on a quarterly
basis. We find that they are on average
too sure that they know what's going to
happen. So they on average say they're
something like 53% sure they have
correctly predicted what's going to
happen to inflation for instance and
they are right like 23% of the time. How
well what you think you know matches
with what you actually know is called
your calibration. So if you're perfectly
calibrated and say 80% confident you
should be right 80% of the time. But
most of us are not well calibrated >> 100%
>> 100% >> 100%.
>> 100%.
>> Yeah. There are 200 billion stars in the
Milky Way, but there are three trillion
trees on Earth.
>> 100% confident.
>> 100. Yes. >> False.
>> Most of the time, being overconfident
isn't a huge issue. But for Nick Leon,
the stakes soon became very high. Leon's
plan to recover his team's loss was to
bet that the Japanese stock market would
go up. So he went long on the top 225
companies in Japan, the Nikkeay 225.
Ever since the Japanese asset price
bubble peaked 2 years previously, the
Nikkeay had been dropping from 38,000 to
16,000. And he was confident the market
would soon bottom out and start rising,
but it continued to fall. Over the next
few weeks, it dropped to a low of
14,000. And the whole time, Nick was
betting the wrong way with ever bigger
and riskier bets. He would double down,
betting double his losses so the next
win would bring him back above water.
This strategy should work when the next
win comes along, but the market collapse
was unrelenting and his losses ballooned
from $40,000 to around $3 million. In
spite of this, Leon remained confident
and eventually his luck turned around.
In the spring of 1993, the market
rebounded up to 20,000, and by the
summer, that account was back in credit.
Leon goes out to celebrate that weekend,
drinking and dancing on tables, finally
free of the hole he had dug himself into.
into.
But on Monday morning, he made another
trading error on the futures market. A
damaging loss that Leon didn't want to
admit. So he put the loss back into
account 88888.
Confident that if he got out of the
previous one, he could do it again. He
began making risky trades to try to
recover that initial loss. And as the
losses mounted in the 58 account, it
became harder and harder to make new
trades to cover the last loss. By the
end of 1993, his losses exceeded $30 million.
million.
Leon is obviously an extreme example,
but this tendency to overestimate our
abilities is something we all share. So
the question is why? The obvious
explanation that a lot of people default
to that is we want to feel good about
ourselves and pretend like we're
wellinformed that we enjoy enormous
satisfaction from being able to say I
know or even better I told you so. And so
so
uh we pretend to ourselves and others
that we know when we don't. That is the
the motivated egocentric version of an
explanation for excessive faith in her
own judgment.
>> Reichel had faith and the idea if
nothing else.
>> But what if it's something more
uncomfortable? Stupidity.
France. Reichelt was a tailor with no
formal scientific or engineering
training. But he was obsessed with
solving the problem of aviation safety.
He spent months designing a parachute
suit which repeatedly failed during
testing. But he became convinced the
issue was that he didn't have enough
height for it to work. So in February
1912, he took it to the Eiffel Tower.
And rather than using a dummy to test
it, he jumped himself.
Tragic, but also really dumb.
>> Do you recognize this graph?
>> Uh the like Dunning Krueger graph.
>> Are you confident that this is the
actual Dunning Krueger graph?
>> Not at all. I in fact, I think that this
is not the Dunning Krueger graph. I
think that this is a bit of a
communication trick. This is what people
call the Mount Stupid curve, which will
pop up if you search for the Dunning
Krueger effect into Google images.
>> As far as I understand it, um it's a
it's an effect that says that when you
know very little about it, your
confidence is high. And as you know more
about it, your confidence sinks until
you become a master at it.
>> But I think that the actual result was
like a little bit more fuzzy than this.
It was this graph doesn't actually show
the Dunning Krueger effect. It's just a
meme that resonates with a lot of people
and it became conflated with the effect.
In their original research, Dunning and
Krueger tested people on tasks like
grammar, logic, and humor and then they
asked participants to estimate how well
they performed. That produced this
curve. You can see that those who
performed worse had the largest mismatch
between their confidence and
performance. They were the most
overconfident. Those who performed the
best were actually slightly
underconfident. This suggests that
overconfidence may be linked to how much
we know. Those who know less think that
they know more than they do. But to me,
this effect looks a little like a
statistical artifact. Because while I
was doing my PhD, I asked students some
physics questions and I also asked for
their confidence in their answers. And
when I looked at the results, accuracy
spanned the full range from nearly 0% to
100%. But confidence varied over a much
narrower range. All the scores were
roughly in the middle. This meant that
poor performers were the most
overconfident and the highest performers
were actually slightly underconfident.
This is exactly what Dunning and Krueger
found. So maybe overconfidence isn't
entirely due to how much we know, but
also because most of us express at least
kind of middle-of the road confidence.
But there is another factor at play
here, which is how much information our
brains are capable of processing.
Monday, the 27th of January, 1986. It's
5:45 p.m. at the Kennedy Space Center in
Cape Canaveral, and the engineers from
Morton Theacle, who made the Challenger
Space Shuttle's rocket boosters, make an
emergency conference call. They've just
seen the weather forecast, predicting
temperatures overnight will plummet to
25° F, far colder than any previous
shuttle launch. They know the rubber
O-rings that seal joints in the boosters
become less flexible in the cold, but
have just a few hours to gather data,
create charts, and present their case.
Over the next 6 hours, the engineers
present 13 charts with data on O-ring
temperature, hot gas erosion, joint
rotation, and more. But the data is
scattered, incomplete, and not
synthesized into a clear narrative.
They'd never tested below 53° F. So NASA
managers were trying simultaneously to
track historical O-ring data, erosion
patterns, joint dynamics, seal
resiliency, pressure differentials, and
more. No single chart told the whole
story. So overwhelmed by seemingly
contradictory data and confident that
their rocket boosters were safe, theole
management overruled their own engineers
and approved the launch.
At 11:38 the next morning, 73 seconds
after launch,
all seven crew members were killed.
Calibrating your certainty requires
thinking of all the ways that you could
be wrong. And that's hard for finite
fallible agents like us. If it means
considering everything that we don't know,
know,
>> how many chunks of novel information you
can hold in your head at one time is
your short-term memory capacity. In
2008, Hansen, Jesus, and Winman
investigated how short-term memory
capacity was linked to accuracy and
overconfidence. Participants were asked
to give ranges for factual questions
like the length of a river or the
population of a city. People's ranges
were consistently too narrow, which
effectively meant they were being
overconfident. And those who had worse
short-term memory were more often wrong
and more likely to be overconfident.
Another study conducted by Conti in 2023
asked participants to keep sequences of
letters in their mind while they judged
their own performance. As the memory
load increased, confidence estimates
became less accurate, even for
participants with higher working memory
capacities. Together, these studies
suggest that assessing your accuracy is
a mentally taxing task. So
overconfidence isn't necessarily about
arrogance. It's your brain working at
the limits of what it can track and
hold. And because of this, your brain
can start using shortcuts.
Psychologist Daniel Conorman describes
these mental shortcuts as heruristics
that together create systemic errors
called cognitive biases. One shortcut we
use a lot is substituting hard questions
with easier related ones. Researchers
have tested this by asking students how
happy they were in their life and how
many dates they'd had in the last month.
Unsurprisingly, these two questions did
not correlate. There's a lot more to
happiness than matches on Tinder, at
least for most people. However, if you
switch it around and ask about their
dates first, suddenly the correlation
jumps to 66. Working out how happy you
are in your life is a difficult
question. You have to consider many
things and balance them all out. So,
when you're primed with the information
about your dating life, you're very
likely to substitute that hard question
like, "How happy am I in my life?" with,
"How many dates have I recently had?"
Overconfidence from misprocessing
information like this can be disastrous.
So, why are our brains wired this way? I
mean, you might expect natural selection
to have wiped out the confidently
incorrect, but there is evidence that
overconfidence can actually be advantageous.
advantageous. Overconfidence
Overconfidence
can massively improve your status. In a
scientific version of the apprentice,
scientists in 2012 compared participants
own assessments of their skill with
objective measures. They placed them in
group tasks to see who was chosen as a
leader and whose ideas influenced the
group, tracking status over multiple
sessions and assessing whether the
desire for status led participants to
exaggerate their abilities. The results
were clear. Overconfident individuals
were more likely to lead, assert
themselves, and maintain influence even
when their actual abilities were mid.
And the evidence certainly shows people
react better to confident individuals.
Using an fMRI, researchers at the
University of Sussex measured brain
activity of people after hearing
unconfident versus confident advice.
Those who listened to the confident
advice had increased activity in the
ventromedial prefrontal cortex. That's a
brain region associated with processing
rewards and expected satisfaction. This
means that human brains are biologically
tuned to be influenced by confident
individuals. We literally feel better
when we hear confident people. But
recognizing that dynamic
highlights a potentially problematic
incentive for anyone who's contending
for positions that they want. People who
express more confidence in employment
interviews or political campaigns, for
instance, do earn the confidence of
interviewers and potential voters even
if they're being overconfident. They
can't actually deliver. They don't
actually know the answer, but they can
talk a good line to impress others even
if they can't ultimately deliver on
those grand assertions. They know the
audience will place more faith in them
if they express conf. Well, they should
express maximal confidence.
>> Leon knew this and he took advantage of
it. While he was secretly racking up
huge losses in the infamous 58 account,
he was publicly posting huge profits and
everyone believed the illusion.
>> They come in and they don't test any records.
records.
>> So, I can't be happier. They didn't test
one record. As Leon's hidden losses
mounted, he requested huge sums from
head office to keep doubling down, up to
$5 million at a time. Bearing
management, barely understanding futures
and believing in their star trader, they
granted his requests and continued to
grant future requests. Every day that I
make one of these requests for
additional money, I never expected to
come. I expect somebody to say, "Look,
what the hell's going on?"
>> By autumn 1994, the account was nearly
$260 million in the red. To mask this,
Leon began buying futures from himself,
inflating his perceived profits further.
At Syax's 10th anniversary in September,
Beerings received two awards, largely
credited to Leon. In December, he was
flown to New York, seemingly responsible
for $44 million in Bearings turnover
that year. Some traders raised doubts
that these kinds of profits could be
made from the low-risisk trading he was
supposed to be doing. But management's
faith in Leon's talent was unshakable,
and they dismissed these concerns.
Beering's overconfidence in Leon and
Leon's overconfidence in himself would
be the bank's downfall. The figures are
so big it seems like the ultimate
confidence trick. But there's a partial
explanation for the delusion on both
sides. Leon's and bearings
overconfidence was amplified by the
complexity and unpredictability of the
market and the trades he was making.
It's sort of an issue of feedback.
In a controlled environment where there
are clear rules and guaranteed outcomes,
like in a chess match, there is clear
feedback on whether decisions are good
or bad. With reliable feedback,
professional chess players are able to
learn to make better decisions with more
accurate confidence. But in a noisy
environment where there is rarely
consistent or timely consequences for
predictions, this feedback is
unreliable. Whether our confidence is
accurate or misplaced is increasingly
hard to judge even amongst experts. It's
especially problematic for political pundits.
pundits.
>> This is going to be a landslide. I think
Romney is going to win by quite a bit.
>> So, right now, we have Hillary's about a
75 or an 80% favorite.
>> For example, prior to 2024, political
analyst Alan Lickman had accurately
predicted the winner of nine of the 10
previous US presidential elections using
his 13 keys to the White House method.
Using the same strategy in 2024, he
predicted that
>> Kla Harris will be a president-breaking president.
president.
>> Look what happened. Is this crazy?
>> He attributed his miscalculation to the
spread of disinformation that misled the
electorate. This noisy environment made
it difficult to discern key issues like
the actual state of the economy.
Similarly, the feedback Leon had
received was inconsistent. He was making
some bad trades, but he had also won it
all back before. and this significantly
clouded his judgment, amplifying his
overconfidence. By 1995, Leon's losses
were in the hundreds of millions, and
Bearings had unwittingly sent him $1
billion. For a bank with around $700
million in capital base, they were
legally only allowed to lend around a
quarter of that. But no one questioned
it. They were all blinded by his
apparent success. At this point, his
positions were so big, he estimates that
he was probably half of the entire Nikay
futures market. So all he could do was
buy himself some time and hope that the
market went his way. And for a while it
worked. The economy was stable and he
couldn't see anything on the horizon
that would change this. But then
disaster struck. Japan is tonight in a
state of mourning and of shock.
>> On the 17th of January 1995, the great
Henshin earthquake struck Japan. 20 km
from the city of Coobe. With a magnitude
of 6.9, it devastated the city which was
one of Japan's key ports. This
devastation spread to the stock market.
The NIK index plunged 1,055 points. Leon
attempting to double down again risked
even more money. He bet heavily that the
Nikay would make a rapid recovery, but
it didn't. And in the end, in today's
money, Leon had lost $2.8 billion. On
the 23rd of February, Leon went on the
run. And 3 days later, Bearings, one of
the oldest and most trusted banks in the
world, collapsed. overconfidence was at
least partially to blame for its
downfall. Realizing the walls were
closing in, Leon fled to Malaysia and
then Thailand, but his escape was
short-lived. He was eventually arrested
in Germany and extradited to face
justice, marking the end of a
spectacularly destructive gamble. He was
just 28 years old.
Now, we don't all bring down banks, but
we are all vulnerable to overconfidence.
In a complex world with unclear, noisy
feedback where our brains are
overwhelmed, a set of simplistic biases
can take over and we all too often end
up thinking we know more than we do. So,
what can we actually do about this? I
try to get better at calibrating my
confidence judgments by keeping track
and keeping score. So, uh, when a
colleague asks me, "How long is it going
to take you to get me comments on this
paper draft we're working on?" I don't
promise I'll do it by Friday. I'm much
more likely to say something like, "I
think there's a 60% chance I can get you
comments by Friday." They'll often uh
react with a quizzical look or uh a
laugh. Well, practicing and being aware
of our calibration is the obvious way to
improve, but so is being intellectually humble.
humble.
>> I think that uh the best medicine for
overconfidence is not so much
information as feedback. Um and I get
plenty of that
though. I also I I think people are
right that sometimes I do have a little
bit of overconfidence.
>> If we want to become more accurate, we
should capitalize on the wisdom of the
crowd by listening more to others. In
particular, we should listen to people
who disagree with us. Understanding the
best arguments of your critics,
understanding what information those who
disagree with you have that you lack is
very helpful for making better
decisions. The best calibrated people
aren't those who know the most. It's
those who know what they don't know. So,
true wisdom lies not in being certain,
but in knowing the limits of your own
certainty. And that's an idea that's
inspired our latest project. All those
questions I asked. These are good
questions. A >> well,
>> well,
>> they come from a new board game that
we've made. It's called Elements of
Truth. The game contains over 800
fascinating science trivia questions
with a twist. The number of points you
win on each question depends on how
confident you are. You can bid any
number from 1 to 10. If you're not sure,
you can play a low number, or you can
try to follow the lead of someone else
who you think should know the answer.
We've tested this game with scientists,
teachers, and students. And what we
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want to thank you for your support and
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