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61% of people feel expected to just get

over stress yeah it's like just power

through the moment CEO of calm author of

recharge David code good stress could

lead to resilience you're never really

going to have a stressfree work

environment not everything has to be

24/7 365 because at some point you've

caused a lot of bad stress that's a real

kind of indicator for you to say I need

to really kind of take a hard stop and

the number one Health and Wellness

podcast J shett J shett the one the only J

sh hey everyone welcome back to onp

purpose the number one place you come to

become happier healthier and more healed

thank you so much for tuning in today

today I'm so excited because I talked to

a really good friend someone that I

respect so highly and admire so deeply

and I've had the fortune of knowing for

the last couple of years I'm talking

about David Co the CEO of calm the

leading app for meditation and

mindfulness and a new author of his book

recharge that offers tips for the best

mental Wellness practices in today's

Digital World the book has interviews

with rappers Rebels and innovators as he

travels talking about stress burnout and

feeling drained if any of you are

feeling stressed right now now this

episode's for you if you're feeling

drained from work right now this

episode's for you and if you need to

recharge this book and episode is for

you please welcome to on purpose the CEO

of Cal David Co David it's great to have

you here thank you Jay for having me

here today I'm so excited H I'm so

excited because I really feel like ever

since we met I felt like we hit it off

right away yeah yeah right away right

away and I've been fortunate enough to

have you interview me so many times so

I'm glad I get to repay the favor uh

this time round and I wanted to ask you

just just to just to get our blood

boiling just to start with some fun I

wanted to ask you uh David what's

something that you're not calm

about I think there's a lot of things

that I'm not calm about uh throughout my

day I will tell you right now I am in

the throws of my my oldest daughter

applying to colleges even though I try

to peer very calm in front of her and

cool and Collective you know and you

don't want to be like a helicopter type

of parent there are times where I'm just

like you know I want to get in there and

say something but I realize almost like

the best thing for her is for her to go

through it and I have to kind of take a

back seat and so it's it's kind of going

from where you take the wheel to like

you're in the passenger seat and then

you're in the backseat kind of peering

every once in a while but I can't help

myself from like I don't know when she

first learned to drive by like saying oh

I'm I'm I'm stepping on the brake here

and there right but uh that's one thing

right now that is probably a little

stressful yeah no I can imagine I read a

study that said we process around 72

gigabytes of information per day yeah

which the research likened to reading

tolkiens The Hobbit every single day

that's nearly 96,000 words right right

and you think about that and you go no

wonder we're overwhelmed no wonder we're

burnt out no wonder we're stressed and

you have this really brilliant analogy

comparing the brain and our mind to a

battery that's right walk us through

this because I really like this in your

book recharge the way you break it down

and explain it you know the recharge uh

came from a good friend of mine and we

were talking about mental health and I

just asked her I said you know how's it

going with your kids and she goes you

know I was talking to my kids and I just

said How's your battery and I was like

wait what and she goes well I said How's

your battery I said why and she said

well if I ask them how they're doing I

get the plane fine and because they're

kids they're just like I'm fine but if I

ask them like how's your battery they're

like well it's at like 50% or it's or so

you may need a snack because they're

little or it's at 75% she's like oh

you're okay or sometimes they're at 25%

and they just need something you know to

decompress while we were talking about

it a light bulb just went out and that

light bulb that went on was about like

she took something that at times can be

charged and she took something and

really simplified in a way that I think

we would all understand regardless of

age and I asked her I was like can I run

with that and she was like yeah sure

whatever right and we still laugh about

it Brenda and I because she's like wow

you actually took it and I was like yeah

I used it as a theme I talk about it I

go to clients I'll go out and it just

kind of resonates with people cuz it's

simple and it doesn't kind of draw out

any emotions it just says like hey how's

your battery how you feeling and I think

that sometimes that gets lost because we

all we try to make it bigger sometimes

than it is and it's really nice when you

can kind of just simplify it and just

ask yeah how how's your battery how you

doing I I love the question how's your

battery even more than how you're doing

like you said because I think sometimes

we I think you also mentioned that we

can scale everything up to a 10 that's

right so everything can feel like it's a

10 it's the worst or everything can feel

like oh it's just plain old fine that's

right and then you don't have much to

play with whereas when you get a number

walk us through the different breakdowns

as you do in the book yeah because I

think when you look at zero to 100 we're

very good at feeling zero and maybe a

100 right like if it's your kid's

wedding chances are you'll be at a 100

if it's like your kid's birthday like

you're at 100 like there's these joyful

Blissful moments in life that people

experience and we go yeah that was a 100

moment and then we all know what a zero

moment feels like you lost a loved one

who sadly passed away you got you know

you lost your job like there's these

very zero moments walk us through how

you break down the zero to 100 yeah and

I I tried to do it really simply you

know I I have found and and I'll talk

about my own kids at times when I ask

them that question how their battery is

I noticed that they check like most PE

people they check their phones quite

often and at some point it just becomes

like a reflex and they don't even know

they're checking it but when they do

look at it and the poers down or it goes

yellow or it goes red they they get a

little panicked like oh my God I got to

charge it imagine my surprise when we're

in like airports and they're like going

up to people D can I use a little your

charge right I think we've all been

there where we don't have a charger and

you like I need something can somebody

help me out

most times people are really kind and

they'll just you know kind of help you

especially if you're a kid I thought

about then putting it into zones and I

put it into four zones and I just said

you know if you're at 75 to 100 you're

probably fine and meaning that you know

you're you're in a Zone where you're

just moving along if you're at 50 to 75

you're probably in a place where you

might need to start to think about how

you may want to recharge if you're in

that 25 5 to 50 it's time to start

figuring out take a break you may need

to take a walk you may need to put down

the phone you may need to stop the

Litany of Zoom calls that you're on

right now right and if you find yourself

0 to 25 that's a real kind of indicator

for you to say hey something's probably

not right and I need to really kind of

take a hard stop and figure out how I

recharge and recharge can happen in a

number of different ways and so I I've

I've often talked about when I've gotten

into that zone I just kind of almost go

for a walk uh I sometimes go outside i c

i take some deep breasts I do a number

of things sometimes I may need a workout

a workout really helps me to recharge on

a personal front and everyone's a little

bit different and they'll go to

different techniques and so in the book

I list a lot of things in the book that

you may do you may do one two three four

or all of them and and they're just

really techniques for you to figure out

what works for you mhm yeah yeah I know

I and I really like that breakdown

because I think we're all better when

we're measuring things with numbers

right there's a specificity there yeah

and I'm one of those people I think I

think the way your phone is charged says

so much about you as a person so my

phone is always charged yeah I'm very

rarely below 30% or 40% of my phone and

I think I try and monitor my personal

health in a similar way as soon as I

feel myself going below 50% I know it's

time for an early night I know it's time

to cancel weekend plans I canceled her

dinner this evening for that exact

reason I got back from work yesterday I

left I started work yesterday at like

8:30 a.m. and I got back from a shoot at

9:30 p.m. and I knew I had a dinner

tonight and I just said I'm so sorry I

can't make it for because I knew I had a

busy day today I was interviewing you I

was interviewing another guest and I was

like I want to be really present for

that it's really critical stuff and then

I need to recharge using your word I

need to recharge this evening and I'm

always shifting things to recharge and I

love that idea because I think we hear

the word rest and then sometimes we we

feel guilty we shouldn't but we feel

guilty like I don't have time to rest

yeah but when you think of it about

recharging you're reframing it and going

oh I do need to recharge because

otherwise how am I going to give my best

tomorrow 100% 100% And you know it's

funny you and me are the same on

batteries I keep my battery pretty

charged as well I have an electric car

too I Marvel at people who can take that

electric car battery down to 5% I can't

do it that stresses me out I'm stressed

out when they tell me these stories oh I

took the battery down to 5% I'm like

seriously how I mean and they're like oh

it's fine you know and for some people

it works right for me that doesn't work

I'm plugging in that battery every night

and I'm going to make sure I I charge

that battery up others will let it go

pretty low everyone's a little bit

different that works for them uh I've

asked some of my friends who charge it

go really low and they're like well if I

charge it too much I get stressed like

oh okay can work the other way

interesting yeah so it's got to kind of

work for you and how you want to

recharge and different techniques that

you want to do you're never really going

to have a stressfree work environment

anxiety depression and then start to

lead to physical ailments because we

know there's a linkage good stress could

lead to resilience it could lead to

growth it actually could lead to a

stronger culture I was wondering if

someone's at a zero when you ask them

how's your battery yeah and if someone

says I'm I'm at five and I'm talking

about emotionally mentally not not their

car or their

phone what would you say to them how How

would how would you communicate with

them some of these tools when you're at

zero I've learned to like take the space

to give them space so we can actually

have a proper

conversation if you find someone at a

really low percentage and I may ask that

person like how are you doing how are

you feeling and they and most of the

time you just want a I'm good because

then you just want to keep going and I

find that often in the business world as

well not just in the personal world but

in the business world we don't want a

response or sometimes we don't have the

time to be like if that person who

you're asking the question to says I'm

not doing so hot and I'm not doing so

well then what do you do so I'm very

intentional when I ask some of these

questions to individuals so that I give

I'm ready for that response if it's I'm

not doing well like a 5% so I kind of

want to frame it there I think sometimes

you rush through these conversations and

then when they do tell you they're a

five or a 10 I think the best things

that I have found is you have to be

present for them you have to listen you

do such a brilliant job at that Jay

because even in this type of environment

we know as we have this one toone

conversation if I was telling you I was

a five or a zero you'd be all in on this

and you would hear me out and then you

would start to tell me okay let's let's

talk about what's causing that and I've

had it times where family members have

come to me and said hey I'm not I'm at a

five and we start to break it down and I

said let me let me put it in another way

for you think about your phone and we do

checks on our phone and there's things

on your phone that drain your battery

more than other applications and they're

like yeah it's like when you go and

apple shows you what's draining or

taking up all your memory and what

happens when you start to delete some of

those things or what happens when you

start to recognize what's causing it

they're like oh my battery is much more

efficient and I'm like yeah so let's how

what's causing that in your in your

personal life right now yeah and we try

to create like you know analogies of

different things and so it doesn't

become a space where all we're doing is

talking about all the negativity we're

trying to draw parallels to different

things in everyday life and so that it

doesn't become such a Charged

conversation yeah right and that's kind

of the recharge concept as well where

we're like let's talk let's talk about

your mental health because sometimes

some people don't want to talk about

their mental health but when we bring up

the battery conversation or how to

recharge it's just a different Framing

and again this is something I think you

just do brilliantly to bring everyone in

and I I try to do the same thing there

as well yeah I was going to ask you that

actually because I've always felt that

with you you've always been present

different touch points whether we're at

dinners events where even when we've

traveled and seen each other when we're

in New York for a dinner for time

earlier this year you're you're always

present too and I wonder how do you do

that as a busy CEO because I think

you're so right that when we answer ask

the question how are you doing we are

subconsciously hoping someone just says

I'm good we are all we almost ask the

question and expect the response even

before we have a response you're so

right like that really resonated with me

and the truth is sometimes life is fast

for most of us right our schedules are

back to back to back we are running from

dropping your kid to school running from

running to work picking up the laundry

doing the laundry whatever right there's

so much going on how do you actually

create space for these conversations and

that's part of being a lot more present

and intentional as leaders and I'd be

curious now for you as CEO as well we're

expected to have all the answers we're

expected to make many different types of

decisions we're expected to play roles

in HR but also company strategy and you

know when you take a step back you can't

make every decision and then there's

always things that don't that are the

unexpected take your car analogy so when

you had your car and you were at 30% you

were probably with someone but in the

back of your mind you're going how am I

going to get home where am I going to

charge and you could do this probably

better than most but but you still want

to be present for that individual that

you're with or your friends that you're

with in those conversations and what I

find is like sometimes we as leaders

have to make the space sometimes we as

leaders have to show something that you

do absolutely brilliantly is to show a

vulnerable side to them and talk about

our own stories I find that many CEOs

today aren't vulnerable I for one was

not very good at being vulnerable when I

wrote the book though I was just taken

back at how many people who I met for

the first time were so open and honest

and vulnerable with myself and it got me

thinking well if they can do it why

can't I do it right and if I started to

show some of that vulnerability at work

if I started to give a little bit of

space and more time for that

conversation would that then make it

just more open for others and more safe

for others to have the conversation

because if I if I'm not having that

conversation and saying here's my own

Journey then they may feel that it's not

okay for them to open up as well right I

just be curious like you a CEO right

you're I mean you've got all these

different businesses how do you do that

with your own

employees yeah I think it's a for me it

comes to the balance so vulnerability is

a great point and and I really

appreciate that because I do agree that

if you create space to share what you're

going through with your team they then

have the permission to do the same and I

think I was mentioning when we did a

panel at C Coast a month ago or so I was

talking about a client of mine that I

was coaching who's the CEO of a very large

large

corporation and we'd gone through a

transformation they were saying to me

Jay I'm you know I'm feeling good and I

was like great well you should tell your

team about your journey and they were

like how can I tell them right and I

said what do you mean and they said well

if I tell them they're going to think

I'm weak and I was like no I promise you

they're going to think you're strong and

I think we're still redefining and

reframing strength in the world today I

think there are some of us who still see

bravado and arrogance and chauvinism as

being strong and I think that's shifting

but it's shifting very slowly that's

right and so it is a cultural

expectation as well societal expectation

of strength being this kind of facade

but I think a lot of us are now

realizing well no strength is being able

to show both sides and open up and be

vulnerable I think the other thing that

really comes to mind when I'm thinking

about being CEO is I think stress can

make people work

harder but it's the right amount of

stress that makes someone work better so

good so true right there's a spectrum of

stress and so if I just if I just keep

checking in with someone and going have

you done it yet are you done yet why are

we not there yet why did the numbers not

triple this if I do that they're going

to feel stress and they may work harder

but that doesn't mean they work better

right and so to me the right amount of

stress and I want to ask you this as

well talk to me about the difference

between good stress and bad stress and

and how you've been able to harness the

right amount when you've got it right in

the book actually I interviewed Dr adidi

Nar and you met her yeah she's wonderful

fantastic right and we got into this

whole conversation of good stress bad

stress you stress good stress versus bad

stress distress and you know we talked

about how good stress could lead to

resilience it could lead to growth it

actually could lead to a stronger

culture you're never really going to

have a stressfree work environment

agreed you know we're always going to

have stress at work we're all going to

have deadlines we're all going to have

things we're going to want to hit but

but not everything has to be just like

you said 247

365 because at some point it's going to

going to stack so much that you as a

leader are realizing you're probably not

being very efficient your employees are

probably not working super efficiently

not working well together and they're

probably you've caused a lot of bad

stress distress in their life that's

leading to things like anxiety

depression and then starts to lead to

physical ailments because we know

there's a linkage between you know your

mental health and your physical health

and so that becomes a very vicious cycle

especially in the workplace and that

leads to a lot of uh unproductivity

what I found with the two is you really

have to find that right balance and

understand there will be and just talk

about it there's a push we're all going

to make a push we did it recently as a

company uh at Comm where we around the

elections and we treated the elections

like our Super Bowl moment because we

knew and we saw the data that people's

stress was Rising every day as that day

November 5th got closer and closer we

saw it in the App Store we saw it in

comments we saw it on social so we

really came together as a company to do

different types of things around that

take a breath 30 seconds or 15 seconds

of Silence um we we showed animals from

the San Diego Zoo on Instagram and we

got so many people commenting that day

that said hey thank you for the silence

thank you for my 15 seconds in this

world where so many things are happening

now people were dialing in from work

because they were stressed at work

stress doesn't just mean it's at home it

was like people were like during the

elections coming in from work and so we

wanted to give them a little bit so they

had a release so they could be more

productive so there's a lot of things

around stuff that I look at for good

stress and bad stress and recognize

there's always going to be a push pull

but that's the part where you can't do

it alone you got to have a good team you

got to talk about it you do this so well

and make sure that becomes part of your

fabric your culture your DNA and I think

it's shifting MH but it's slow yeah I

think the conversation around mental

health in everyday life it's the most

approachable it's ever been right I talk

about things with my own kids today

around mental health when I was a child

coming you know I'd be curious like for

you like immigrant family we didn't talk

about our mental health in my household

right we talked more about powering

through things and I can talk about that

later but we didn't really talk about it

my kids talk about it they may overuse

it at times not use it the right way

it's okay they're having the

conversation their friends are having

the conversation I think that's great

but when you go to the workplace it kind

of stops you know and I go to so many

places and I'm like do you talk about

your mental health at work and they're

like no and I'm like well let's change

that dialogue let's make it as

approachable as it is in everyday life

and how do we start to do that let's

give you the tools and we'll start at

the top yeah you're so right you're so

right what you're painting a picture for

me is that I look at the good stress

being when we all know what challenge

we're up against we know what the goal

is and everyone feels supported and I

think what often happens is people don't

know what the goal is because you're not

helping them do that they only see the

challenge and they don't feel supported

that's right so now they don't know

where they're going and they feel if

they fall flat on their face they have

nothing to catch them that's right as a

leader the goal is to provide the goal

and the support and then the person can

focus on the challenge yeah and be

transparent in that Journey you know I

um I speak to many CEOs in the valley

and and over the world and you know a

lot of times I'll ask them how do you

prioritize things with your employees

how transparent are you and I'll will

tell you many of them are not that

transparent or they'll be like these are

the most important things and then

they'll add five more and then five more

right and I'll be like oh okay what did

you take away and they're like what are

you talking about I mean what did you

take away and they're

like nothing and I'm like well how do

you think that's affecting your

employees and they're like I never

really thought about that so I've just

compounded and stacked the problem as a

leader and you didn't take anything away

and it C and and and it Cascades down

like a megaphone think about what that

employee is going through and walk in

their shoes for a minute you know we at

the top have the luxury of of having

more control over our

schedules but that person may not have

as much control over their schedule

they're just ticking through things yeah

and if you just keep adding and not

taking certain things away and saying

this is important this isn't important

here's how I think about it here's how

I'm being transparent you're adding more

stress to your company you know leaders

struggle with how to be vulnerable is it

going to be used against me yeah is

someone going to write about it and say

I'm tooo weak is the board going to

think I'm weak as a leader that's

ultimately also a fail of corporate

stewardship because they have to also

look after your mental health at calm i

i l this when I first got introduced to

calm and started taking calls with the

teams and I took my role of chief

purpose officer I got integrated into

the culture I loved the little things

and the focus on the little things at

meetings ATC whether they're on zoom in

I want to these smaller things that are

happening on a daily basis because I

think often companies think they need to

put out a thing that says we're focusing

on company mental health and they're

doing these big things but calm

internally yeah let alone the work they

do with other companies and workplaces

but K internally had some really nice

yeah cultural things that I noticed from

the outside in as I was being integrated

walk us through some of those daily

things that you think create the rituals

in practice itic es that help people it

was interesting for me my first day of

come I walk in and there Michael and

Alex who you know well Founders right

and they love you and they talk about

you all the time and how you all first

met and they uh introduced me to the

company warm welcome so inviting and

they started the meet the whole all

hands off with a

meditation and I wasn't really used to

that you know and I was I was kind of

sitting there uh and I kind of noticed

everyone and normally we listen to

someone like yourself we'll turn you on

or turn one of our other kind of

narrators on they do great and everyone

just kind of sat there in the moment and

whether it was sometimes it's you know

really quick 30 seconds sometimes it's 5

six minutes some like three minutes and

they listened and it was and I kind of

was peeking at times looking I'm like is

everyone kind of closing their eyes you

know around here you know looking the

and they were just in the moment it was

a moment for me that showed me how much

they cared and I was like wow this

company cares this is enforced you don't

have to be here you don't have to do

this and they were there and they were

present and they were in the moment so

that's like some of this that was one of

the ways I knew this company was going

to be different and then I watched as

the company did things around gratitude

where we end every all hands with

gratitude we read things that have come

into us and it's a reminder of the

impact we're having and I think that's

why sometimes I'm so stressed because I

feel this weight of

responsibility where every second of

every day someone is using the product

and I just feel like if we're not

answering them or not helping them in

the moment someone's not getting

something that they need and I feel that

stress and I feel the the resp it's

really responsibility yeah and I talk

about that with the employees and I

think it's really important to talk

about that so we do the ude piece at the

end we have zoom free days you know

where where I talk to employees about

hey if you're in a moment where you find

yourself in five zooms take a beat you

don't need to do that and if there's

meetings that don't make sense just like

you did tonight which was great just say

no it's okay you know we'll figure it

out and I do that too and I try to be a

lot more purposeful now because it helps

me then be more present in the meetings

that I need to be in yeah right and

rather than saying it's not the quantity

of meetings that I'm in it's those

quality of meeting moments that I'm in

and I think people sometimes like

misinterpret like quantity for

productivity versus like value and I'm

much more like okay I'm gonna do I'm

gonna focus on quality and it may mean

less and that doesn't have to sacrifice

my impact I was going to ask you how

does it impact productivity and I do

think that we've convinced ourselves

that if I'm doing more if there's more

on my schedule if I'm jumping around

we've created our definition of value to

be around

busyness right yes and we all feel we're

more important valuable and it's

subconscious again you just think oh

yeah if I've got a lot to do then I must

be doing something yeah how do we start

to shift that conversation what have you

learned about that I know you

interviewed some amazing people as well

as you were saying inside the book what

did you learn about how we can ref frame

what we believe makes us valuable yeah

yeah so I had um so two people in

particular so John Scully for example

the former CEO of Apple he talked about

how in the book he was Chief listening

officer and I was like really and he's

like yeah like Steve asked that we make

our own business cards and I wrote Chief

listening officer and I sat there and I

was like wow that's that was great you

listen and so cuz so often you know you

just start talking and he's like no I

became a lot more

purposeful if I just listened first said

probably less but that impact was

greater because I heard what was

happening and I thought that was great

yeah I had Jack row who's a former seeta

in the book he came over and he

said sometimes you have to put yourself

into neutral and he's like and you have

to give yourself space because you can't

run at 100 miles an hour and if you

don't give yourself a little bit of a

break no matter what position you're in

you're going to find yourself uh upside

down and you're not going to figure out

how to turn back up and I I appreciated

those conversations with them because

they're a little bit more old school in

their approach they they think we're a

little bit more in the middle now and

then there's a younger generation right

that's coming up who thinks about things

completely different it's been such a

privilege to be able to kind of to so

many different people who are in that in

that Continuum to kind of hear how

they're managing it right even like how

you think about things today and how you

manage all that right it just must be a

lot coming at you today from many

different angles when they're like Jay

what do you do right yeah yeah and and I

think for me it's it is the old cliche

but it's so true like you are only as

good as your team and I do think being a

leader means taking care of your team

that's right in one sense I feel like

that's all leader actually has to do is

be the coach therapist support right

system or provide and bring those things

in for the team and you almost become a

coach and yes you're being strategic yes

you're being a Visionary but a lot of it

is just loving people and supporting

people I find at least I find like

that's what most of my time is taken up

doing because everyone has their

emotions and as long as you have smart

people that you're working with then

those people are the the people that

investing in them as humans yeah is

allowing them to do what you trust them

to do that's right but the thing that's

holding them back is usually something

emotional or mental it's rarely

professional that people have challenges

in I find it's something they're going

through in their personal life it's a

mental block that they have and if that

doesn't get healed and accessed in the

workplace that's going to be the spanner

in the works like that's going to be the

thing that bottlenecks the process

creates inefficiency creates a lack of

trust that's right that's the kind of

stuff that gets in the way yeah and and

a lot of times too when you talk to

people they have no idea what's

happening outside the workplace you know

but so much that happens outside the

workplace affects the workplace it's

really important for companies too to

have mental health support tools for

employees so when they need things

people to talk to you know applications

whether they're Cal or others therapy if

they need it if they just make those

available and known that's another step

in the process

so that's why I always tell people it's

not just one thing it's kind of like a

number of things you have to put

together because people may take bits

and pieces of each to make it their own

but it kind of shows them when they need

it it's there yeah and a lot of times

people will go look for things on their

own you know they'll search and they'll

see if you got tools and what companies

and I do find that you sometimes will

lose good people because you're not

supporting them in their Journey yeah

and so the more you could be there for

them and they know that they become

become some of your most loyal most

productive most culture bearing you know

carrying the flag employees yeah and you

didn't have to tell them to do it they

just kind of did it on their own

absolutely and I feel like those often

are the best ones and I and we have a

lot of those uh and I'm very and I just

feel very privileged that we have so

many folks like that that that they just

care deeply and it's personal for them I

um my previous company I started was a

caregiving company and thing I noticed

in that company was that so many people

that were caring for others were

suffering right they and then they had

to go to work and people had no idea

that they were doing like five jobs

caregiver they were worrying about their

finances they were trying to figure out

how they help people and then they had

to go to work and and they had a Litany

of things they had to go do and most

people have no idea all these things are

going on in their people's lives right

because sometimes we just don't ask the

question and because we're so busy

ourselves or some times we don't want to

ask a question because we're so busy

ourselves we can't take anything else on

but I just feel that if we are just more

aware and we create space for employees

and we listen to what they have to say

flexible work schedules what are they

asking for that's why I constantly PLL

our employees as well what do you value

and they'll tell us and then if we have

stuff that they don't want we put it

away I sometimes like oh all my

employees want this gym membership and

then nobody uses it

right and and they're like ask yeah and

I'm like now I just ask let's have our

team go out and and say here are the top

10 things what do you want yeah and then

we'll take away a couple things that

they don't use you know and we'll try to

ask that almost every year totally I I I

couldn't agree more we I love gift

giving it's one of my love languages and

you were so kind to bring me a gift

today which was very thoughtful and very

useful and and both of which I will and

the reason I'm saying that is I love

giving gifts too and so you know over

the years when it comes around the

holidays I love getting gifts from my

team and for a long time I'd always be

guessing like what everyone wanted and

you assume that something's cool or

trending or whatever it may be and then

you start to realize what you just said

people didn't really want that yeah and

then at one point we were like okay well

then we won't give gifts we just you

know thank people and whatever else it

was but then we were like no but people

like people like itone enjoys it and so

it's so funny we've started polling over

the last few years like what kind of

gift would everyone like and the number

one answer this year was infrared mask

like so what you

call that was the number one request

yeah the red light the red light yeah so

that was the number one request and we

like oh easy now we know what everyone

wants so we're going to get that because

it's easier rather than us guessing yeah

and and I agreed that I do think people

inside of organizations today want

mental health tools they want meditation

practices want mindfulness uh

opportunities and tools and apps and

everything else I do believe there is a

big demand for that and I think it's

only growing oh yeah because people are

feeling that if you don't have that you

can't have that conversation in the

workplace that's right I think this is

the part that I want companies and

leaders to understand if you're not

providing tools to support people with

their mental health they don't have a

vehicle to talk about it at work that's

right if it's available to everyone and

they see it come out in the newsletter

and the teams available and everyone

knows about it they can say oh yeah did

you see we're using Comm now and you

know I've been doing this one and which

one have you been doing and now it

allows for connection and conversation

and Community as opposed to without it

someone may just never talk about the

fact that they've been struggling to

sleep for seven days 100% right 100% And

and I and I find that too amongst the

younger generation they just expect

these things yeah you know and they're

asking for them and they'll give up

other things along the way yeah and so

and they're very vocal around it and

we've seen it now in all Industries you

know we've seen it happen in banking

where people feel like hey you're not

listening and it it takes a moment where

they have to go to the Press almost

right it shouldn't have to ever get

there yeah if they were listening to

those kids and listening to your

employees then you've got a continuous

feedback loop yeah more companies the

Baseline will be you have to have these

Services going forward and and I think

over time then that will open up a

dialogue and I also think with CEOs

today I'll tell you because it starts so

much at the Top If you start to have

some of these conversations and say

Here's how I think about it here's how

you're being vulnerable that too opens

up a different conversation and then

that can just kind of percolate within

the company and and then I think the

whole thing starts to move faster right

and then we can start to get more into a

conversation of like okay now how do we

get you the right Care at the right time

when you need it however you need it cuz

so much of the conversation we're having

right now is pretty basic in my mind and

we just need to get farther along in the

conversation yeah I think a lot of

people will question listening to us

going well how does mindfulness or

meditation actually help burnout or how

does it help stress so that's one thing

and I mean there's tons of science on

that but I think there's still so I want

I want you to answer that and the second

thing is well how does this affect my

productivity right like how does it

actually get people to do the work that

I need them to do sure and and isn't

this just a a distraction or slows them

down because I know a lot of

organizations just feel like this sounds

good in theory but how does it help so

if we could talk about how mindfulness

and meditation specifically the programs

that exist on calm how do they make

sense for stress and burnout and then

how do they make strength for

productivity and performance yeah I mean

I think I both of those I'll start with

the second one first CU it it it comes

up a lot and what I often tell people is

when I'll just use Comm as an example

more than half the people that use Comm

today come to us for sleep and they're

having moments where they just can't

fall asleep most of that comes as we

know because they're sleeping next to

their de their devices the devices are

constantly beeping they don't shut them

off I talk about like it's hard but you

know I keep my phone outside my bedroom

not everyone does that when I travel I

don't do that and sometimes it leads to

you know not a a good sleep and we know

when you have a number of those days

that start to compound it could lead to

irritability it could lead to not being

as productive the next day when you go

to work because you're just tired right

you couple that at times with

potentially bad eating habits or some

people drinking habits or other types of

habits that aren't and that doesn't

create and it creates kind of like what

I call negative behavior I had that when

I was younger because I didn't

understand some of these tools and I

just wish I had some of these tools when

I was younger because I didn't I didn't

do those things that created positive

behavior change um when I was in banking for

for

example I and when I got stressed I

turned to smoking and I was just a kid

and I was like smoking in the stairwell

of Solomon Brothers I shouldn't have

been smoking in the stairwell that's

number one I talked about this with our

employees saying hey I didn't have apps

like Comm or tools to help me in the

moment I wish I did I probably would

have turned to other things and

understood that's positive behavior that

I could turn to not negative behavior

and if I have enough of that then it

starts to kind of change the pendulum

because I then ended up on a very

slippery slope you know you're smoking

you start to drink a little bit more

then I'm eating more at odd hours and

then I try to go to sleep and you just

know if you're trying to eat Chinese

food at 11:30 and you want to go to bed

at 12:00 or 12:30 you're not going to

sleep well because there's just a lot of

stuff just sitting there right keeping

you awake and so for me it's been this

continuous kind of learning and we talk

about some of these things and you know

I think in the work force it's it's a

little it's no different because then

people got to shuttle their kids off to

school in the morning and you got to

make breakfast you got to do all these

things so you you kind of need good

sleep at night and it starts I think a

lot there and then during the day we

need breaks people think uh and it's in

the book that you that our brain has

endless capacity it's just not true we

don't have endless capacity you know our

brain like everything else needs to

recharge and if you can find ways to

recharge whether it's listening to you

every day uh congratulations on over 600

episodes we were talking

about million streams as our chief

purpose officer which I so grateful for

because there are times where those

seven minutes from me where I listen to

you whether it's in the car driving my

kids uh to school takes 10 minutes uh

some days it takes 30 with traffic there

there moments that I just cherish or

when I'm driving back alone and it's it

just helps me then as I start to reenter

myself to be more productive during the

day or during the day I take a short break

break

and I know how to recharge now whether

it's going outside walking or others and

it makes me so much more productive

because what I find is if I work in a

manner and I find myself falling below

50% 25% of my battery and I just keep

trying to power through my work gets

it's not very good yeah it's

embarrassingly bad I would say at times

and no amount of AI is going to make it

better yeah you know it's just not yeah

and so I then have to kind of take a

step back and be like okay you're

trending in the wrong direction take a

big and I talk about this at a company

and with many other companies that are

out there today and I know so many

employees I talk to resonate around this

yeah right because I just feel it's an

endless hamster wheel for sure for sure

yeah I was as you were speaking I was

thinking about how if you have a still

mind you actually make quicker better

decisions and if you have a stressed

mind you actually make slower worse

decisions yeah and we think oh well if I

take time out to be still I'll lose time

but actually if you take time out to be

still you'll gain time because you'll

make better decisions there'll be more

longterm they won't be rushed and

haphazard and they'll actually be you'll

be a better Communicator I know for a

fact that if I'm stressed I don't

communicate as clearly yeah I can I can

be a bit more like rushed and you know

kind of like let's hurry this up and

short short with people yeah whereas if

I'm rested and I'm still then actually

I'm able to formulate ideas I can be

more tolerant I can be more patient

which are all the skills you need and so

taking out seven minutes a day doesn't

make you slower it actually makes you

faster and better and and something I

pulled from your book these these stats

were really fascinating for me to read

so 61% of people feel expected to just

get over

stress yeah that's unbelievable that 61%

of people feel like they expected to

just get over stress yeah it's just just

why is that when I was younger and I

didn't understand this uh when I was 14

years old and I think it was much

younger I wrote about in the book that

it was 14 I actually think it happened

when I was younger I just didn't I just

don't recollect those

times when I got really stressed or

nervous and most of the time they're

around like tests or speaking stuff or

in front of the class I just started to

get a tightness in my chest I would I

would get shortness of breath at times I

would sweat in my hands and I didn't

really understand what was happening and

I talk to my mom you know and like a

very traditional Korean mother she would

be like just power through it and I like

okay I'm just going to power through it

right but she didn't know either what

was happening and I don't blame her

around that she just didn't understand

in the moment you know the reality is

when you think about your mental health

it's not about just do you know and it's

not about powering through the moment

it's for me it's about powering up you

know and it's and that's where the

battery analogy keeps coming back in

yeah and and I didn't understand some of

that and then you cou and then I didn't

have the vocabulary it wasn't really

until I started getting into Healthcare

that I started to understand oh wow this

is what you were going through you've

been able to kind of manage it and

through some unhealthy behaviors at

times and now you are doing through healthy

healthy

behaviors but the vocabulary has changed

MH right and you have a better command

of that vocabulary so you know how to

talk about it now where I didn't know

how to talk about it then yeah and so I

do think so much of the the population

today is about powering through it and I

do think a lot of the population and I

would say more in countries like Korea

or Asia even though mental health is the

most approachable it's ever been like in

in the

states it's not really approachable

there you know and and that does make me

sad at times when I go back home my

parents move back to Korea they live

there I want to talk about these things

with them and it's just not it's not

easy for them to talk about right I

don't know how it was for you you did

you talk about this when you were a kid

with it's so interesting what you were

saying about your experiences of stress

growing up mine were the same and they

didn't know what it was either so I

would ex it's the same things exams

anything high performance related I'd

feel like my chest got tighter my heart

felt like it wasn't beating the same I'd

get you know sweaty palms and I remember

going to the doctors and they'd wire me

up with these monitors like old school

monitors these big things I'd have to

wear it for 24 hours and I'd go back and

they' be like oh he's fine and I'd be

like but Mom I'm not fine like there's

something I'm feeling and there was no

word for it and so I I can very much

relate and again my mom didn't know what

it was either and she was trying her

best to help but we couldn't figure it out

out

and so I got on with it and and I always

have and then I was thankful enough to

learn mindfulness and meditation many

years later that have been my core

practices and now it's not that I don't

get nervous before I'm going on stage or

a podcast I still do but I know what to

do and so I have my breath work I know

what I have to lock into it's not that I

don't experience those emotions anymore

but I agree even in a South Asian family

like I don't think that vulnerability

was normal from parents it wasn't common

for uncles and aunts to be that way and

so it created a culture of always

putting your best foot forward always

somewhat being performative that's right

and I think I never subscribed to that

so I started very early on rebelling and

just good for you being myself I didn't

and uh I wish I had done that yeah and I

was just I'm just I started breaking the

rules early on that and I'm grateful

that I did but now I realize it wasn't

that I was breaking the rules I was just

expressing my discomfort with having to

put up a face or a mask on when

everything wasn't okay yeah and and I

think that's hard for people to do today

where I read another stat that said 33%

of people feel too overwhelmed by daily

stress to think ahead yeah like when you

think about that it's like gosh like you

know that's what people are under what

are some of the you forget that right

you forget that you just forget I mean

you think about those numbers that's

whether it's 2/3 or one3 of all people

feeling this way and you start to

realize wow that's heavy you know and if

you were in a room and three out of 10

or six out of 10 are feeling a certain

way you start to realize there's more

this is why with corporations I think

it's so important that they can take

leadership positions again I always go

back to the top on some of these things

because if we're not comfortable being

vulnerable and if we're not not

comfortable making sure that our HR

teams have the tools to talk about this

with employees that we don't support

some of these

initiatives we're kind of in a place

where we're saying oh we don't believe

some of those stats but the stats are

there and growing right and and yes

there's you know there's life things

that are happening but technology is

moving so fast on the other side right I

mean we are definitely in an era right

now where kids have grown up with their

smartphones they act differently

than you know when I grew up or when you

grow up it's just different we and they

grew up with this technology they're

very comfortable with it the speed of it

witches is coming and so and then

there's the weight of what's happening

just in life around them and so some of

these things even at the company level

which are interesting and you don't do

this is like and I found this a little

bit with myself I'll just tell you on a

personal front we're taught to play it

very safe and I think that's an

important thing too I'll tell you A lot

of people Miss is that you know you

don't want to say the wrong thing so

you're not going to talk about your own

vulnerability because that's not playing

it down the Fairway you kind of want to

be boring I'll be frank with you for a

lot of leaders not all leaders which we

know there's a couple of them that are

quite but for most leaders when you go

out there they're media trained to be

right down the Fairway and what I love

when I listen and watch your podcast

it's so authentic it's so real it's so

so safe for all the people that listen

and then and it just shows right with

how many people are tuning in every day

right and listening to you and doing

what I did it's like I'll listen to

somebody and then I'll go back to that

I'll be like oh I remembered that I'm

GNA go back to that and it's just

because we just play it safe in a lot of

places today and you don't want to say

the wrong thing yeah and I think it's

okay you know like even if I was here

with you today and maybe something and I

didn't say the right thing

today I'm in a space where I feel so

safe with you right now I just want to

be myself and not everything's going to

be perfect absolutely right and and

that's kind of part of life and I've

started to accept that and I've become

much more vulnerable with my own

employees to be like hey this is okay

and because of that in the last couple

years we're stronger we're stronger as a

company we just had a board meeting and

they're like wow this is great

everyone's like yes we're doing much

better but I think because we're

developing and and really building on

the right culture we're asking the right

questions or and we want to lead by

example yeah right what was something

you shared with them that you feel was

challenging uncomfortable that that led

to that breakthrough yeah I um in the

last one that you were at I I did talk

about my smoking as a kid I talked about

me being overweight as a child dealing

with that that

insecurity um I've always had a struggle

with food a love FR tribe

I'm just G

to I guess I'm telling you I love ice

cream and I think sometimes and I have a

really no matter what I try to do diet-wise

diet-wise

I if you put some fries in front of me

I'm gonna eat

them uh if I if you put some ice cream

in front of me and someone my kids are

having I'm I'm gonna eat some of that

too and my kids are like Dad I thought

you're like full I was like I was all

right so I struggle with that I know

when I'm a little bit stressed I'm a

little bit of a binge eater as well I

try to obviously develop a lot of

healthy habits also around how do you be

healthier and so I do I do exercise a

lot more but some of those things are

hard just to get rid of you know it's

it's more like you're going to have to

live with it and it's how you live with

it that's like that comment about stress

you're never going to have a stress-free

workplace yeah but you got to figure out

how you just have more healthy stress

right how you stress rather than

distress yeah what's what's the most

common thing you hear from leaders that

they're struggling within their

organizations when it comes to stress

and teams mental health I I think a lot

of leaders today struggle with as I

spoke to you about vulnerability and how

you gave the story about vulnerability

that story plays over over and over

again wow you know leaders struggle with

how to be vulnerable and I think it's I

think it's generational on a personal I

think the new leaders that are going to

rise the ones in their 20s are going to

have no problem right because when you

look at social media today and a lot of

the younger generation they talk about

their mental stress and they talk about

their mental health and they're very

open about it now again they may overuse

it or you know but at least they're

having a conversation around it I think

you know with other leaders today when I

talk to them they're just like hey is it

a sign of weakness like you brought up

and is it going to be used against me

yeah is someone going to write about it

and say I'm too weak is the board going

to think I'm weak as a

leader and I think that is the that's

ultimately also a fail of corporate

stewardship because they have to also

look after your mental health you know

and so when I'm you know I'm fortunate

to be on the board of Comm today but if

I wasn't CEO I would be asking that CEO

hey how are you doing how are you

holding up let's not talk about the

numbers today you know I find really

effective when I meet with CEOs and they

ask for some coaching we don't talk

about any numbers we don't talk about

the metrics we just talk about life and

we'll eventually go to that later but I

think when we start with more of a

trusting place where we can understand

what's happening around you then I can

be much more thoughtful in the type of

advice I give but this also means I have

to create the space and the time to do

it so not everyone has that right and

that's where I think it's just really

important to be really intentional right

be really purposeful in these

conversations yeah I think one of the

reasons why we struggle to recharge is

because when your phone's running out of

battery there's only one well we're also

bad at this there's only meant to be one

type of charger now I've seen people

charge their phone with their Mac

charger you're destroying your phone

right you see it being charg with the

iPad charger like but the point is

there's one charger yeah and I think

when it comes true life sleep is a

charger meditation and mindfulness 100%

food is a charger working out is a

charger and people you love being around

good relationships are a charger and if

everyone while you're listening to this

if you could figure out the most common

times you feel at 1% 5% 10% 20% and

figure out what's the charge you need

for that well said right like that's

what I think we need to do like I'll

give an example I I went to an event the

other day and I had to fly out of town

and come back into town I got back at

like 4:00 a.m. and I worked out the next

day and I felt so weak because I hadn't

slept well of course and eaten well and

so at that point I'm glad I still worked

out because I needed it but I told told

my trainer I had to get a bit of an

easier workout because I didn't want to

push myself when I felt weak but it's

like it takes little adjustments of

figuring out what charge you need right

now like now I've had a busy week I had

a busy weekend this weekend I know

recharge means I need no social plans

like that's what's going to recharge me

and so I wish everyone could just write

down while you're listening to this and

while you're reading David's book

recharge you write down what are those

most common experiences you feel when

you feel drained when you feel

overwhelmed when you feel burnt out and

what is your charger so that you don't

have to think about it in the moment cuz

when you're trying to figure it out in

the moment that's when you get more

overwhelmed like I know before I go on

stage I always practice breath work if

I've had a couple of late nights I know

sleep is the only charge that's going to

solve it yeah right speaking of that

because you talked about you know

certain rituals are there certain things

that you do every day like religion

every day that you just do yeah I I kind

of do what I call like what I feel is

like a good 8020 so like I know five

days out of the seven days a week I'm

working out 5 days out of seven I'm

meditating before

9:00 a.m. and then the other two will be

meditating after 9:00 a.m. and I like

that balance that I have uh gratitude

something I'm practicing every single

day yeah it's such an important one I

think we do something with my team that

I love every Friday we'll do a weekly

win and everyone's encouraged to share

what they believe is their win and

sometimes what's amazing about this

activity is you feel it will always be

like oh we had so and so on the podcast

or we won so and so award or and it

isn't it's actually these little things

that people are doing behind the scenes

that are not like these Grand wins

externally yeah and they believe that

that's been their success and I think

it's a really great way to actually get

to know each other because you get to

see what people value as success and you

get to understand what people see as

value in the work they do whereas we

just assume that of course if there's a

big quarter then everyone should be

excited and it's like well maybe not

right because that's not what they

equate as their personal success and

contribution and so doing the weekly

wins on Friday is one of my favorite

things to do with my team it takes like

30 minutes to do and everyone just goes

around my core team and just shares what

was their weekly win it's huge I love

that I um I sometimes start my beginning

of the week staff meetings with like how

was your weekend just tell us something

that happened personal you know I also

find sometimes we we get into all the

details without getting to know one

another yeah you know and I find a lot

a lot of times teams don't work well

they can work better together when

they're a little bit more personal with

one another and it may it doesn't have

to be deep it could just be like hey

what what did you do some people will

say I went on a hike I you know went to

my kids game or you know I went I

traveled somewhere or binge watched the

show and we're all like what show what's

your favorite show or something and we

just get to learn something a little bit

more personal about the individual and

then it's less about oh did you hand in that

that

PRD thing right it's just it's more

personal yeah and I think and by you

just doing your wins every week you know how I just I love that yeah I I think

how I just I love that yeah I I think about it it's very simple I think about

about it it's very simple I think about it like this like you're going to spend

it like this like you're going to spend a third of your life at work yeah learn

a third of your life at work yeah learn to get along with your colleagues yeah

to get along with your colleagues yeah learn to build relationships with the

learn to build relationships with the people you spend 9 hours a day with

people you spend 9 hours a day with you're going to spend a third of your

you're going to spend a third of your life with these people you should

life with these people you should actually really get to know them you

actually really get to know them you should be able to laugh with them it

should be able to laugh with them it would be wonderful if you could open

would be wonderful if you could open your heart with them when we kind of go

your heart with them when we kind of go well works this thing over here and I

well works this thing over here and I save all of that for home you're

save all of that for home you're basically saying that 30% of your life

basically saying that 30% of your life you'll never experience Joy you'll never

you'll never experience Joy you'll never experience connection and I don't think

experience connection and I don't think that's the world we want anymore I think

that's the world we want anymore I think we need a world where work can be

we need a world where work can be meaningful and thoughtful and purposeful

meaningful and thoughtful and purposeful and again going back to what you said

and again going back to what you said it's not that it will ever be stressfree

it's not that it will ever be stressfree that's right it's not that it's ever

that's right it's not that it's ever going to be perfect or this Utopia or

going to be perfect or this Utopia or this beautiful place everything's

this beautiful place everything's amazing but I think one of the things we

amazing but I think one of the things we don't realize is that a lack of

don't realize is that a lack of productivity stems from a lack of trust

productivity stems from a lack of trust yeah when you have trust and you have

yeah when you have trust and you have interpersonal connection things move

interpersonal connection things move faster people are not gatekeeping no

faster people are not gatekeeping no one's trying to be a bottleneck no one's

one's trying to be a bottleneck no one's looking out for how they can be Top Dog

looking out for how they can be Top Dog there's this feeling of we're all going

there's this feeling of we're all going to win together and I think if leaders

to win together and I think if leaders can start to figure out what that

can start to figure out what that culture is then people will achieve so

culture is then people will achieve so much more and they'll be happier I think

much more and they'll be happier I think you know one of my I would hate to be at

you know one of my I would hate to be at the top of a hill with the team and

the top of a hill with the team and three people like gave up along the way

three people like gave up along the way two people told me they never want to

two people told me they never want to come back like right it's an I was I was

come back like right it's an I was I was going to ask you you've had so much

going to ask you you've had so much business success before c you're now at

business success before c you're now at C like walk us through how your views

C like walk us through how your views have changed of recharging and

have changed of recharging and recharging your team it's it's it's

recharging your team it's it's it's actually really interesting I used to be

actually really interesting I used to be one of the youngest execs in the room

one of the youngest execs in the room and now I'm the oldest person in the

and now I'm the oldest person in the room uh I think when I was younger

room uh I think when I was younger I felt that I had to be in every

I felt that I had to be in every decision process and that's a little bit

decision process and that's a little bit of like oh I'm productive because I got

of like oh I'm productive because I got my hands in everything and it was

my hands in everything and it was probably the opposite I was probably

probably the opposite I was probably causing more stress and less

causing more stress and less productivity on a pro and I realized

productivity on a pro and I realized that later that it's it's not the number

that later that it's it's not the number of meetings or decisions you're making

of meetings or decisions you're making it's not the quantity it's the quality

it's not the quantity it's the quality of those decisions and I keep going back

of those decisions and I keep going back always the quality of decision- making

always the quality of decision- making what is a quality decision let's let's

what is a quality decision let's let's define that that's great so like it's

define that that's great so like it's it's things that you feel that where you

it's things that you feel that where you sit could move the for me could move the

sit could move the for me could move the business forward in the most meaningful

business forward in the most meaningful manner so sometimes it could be helping

manner so sometimes it could be helping teams unlock a product decision

teams unlock a product decision sometimes it could be helping teams with

sometimes it could be helping teams with things that Partnerships that may move

things that Partnerships that may move it forward other times it may mean

it forward other times it may mean things around culture or HR but it's

things around culture or HR but it's really being intentional in terms of the

really being intentional in terms of the types of decisions you're making and

types of decisions you're making and where you're spending your time it's not

where you're spending your time it's not being in every decision with everybody

being in every decision with everybody because ultimately they have to make

because ultimately they have to make decisions too one thing we've been doing

decisions too one thing we've been doing now that I feel that has really brought

now that I feel that has really brought the company closer together is uh we did

the company closer together is uh we did this Retreat where it wasn't just the

this Retreat where it wasn't just the leadership team we brought many

leadership team we brought many different people together and I said you

different people together and I said you guys come up with the company strategy

guys come up with the company strategy and they were like and this woman they

and they were like and this woman they were like what and I'm like they're like

were like what and I'm like they're like don't you have it my younger self would

don't you have it my younger self would have been like here it is

have been like here it is I was like no you do it and I'll tell

I was like no you do it and I'll tell you it was so much better than what I

you it was so much better than what I was thinking and it just reminded me

was thinking and it just reminded me again you hire all these smart people

again you hire all these smart people you take all these time vetting them

you take all these time vetting them doing reference checks let them do their

doing reference checks let them do their job give them a chance if it was a

job give them a chance if it was a sports analogy to shoot the ball give

sports analogy to shoot the ball give them a chance to play you know don't

them a chance to play you know don't feel like you're keeping them on the

feel like you're keeping them on the bench the whole time and you have to do

bench the whole time and you have to do everything and give shop and I I do that

everything and give shop and I I do that a lot more now I'm much more intentional

a lot more now I'm much more intentional with it now it was great we rolled it

with it now it was great we rolled it out to the company at that offsite you

out to the company at that offsite you were at people came away and said it was

were at people came away and said it was the most inspiring offsite and they were

the most inspiring offsite and they were like yeah that was great I said I didn't

like yeah that was great I said I didn't do it they did it it came from the team

do it they did it it came from the team and I think it felt so much more

and I think it felt so much more meaningful to to them because it came

meaningful to to them because it came from them and it was so much more

from them and it was so much more spot-on and we and and really what it

spot-on and we and and really what it was around was we've talked about trying

was around was we've talked about trying to make the world healthier and happier

to make the world healthier and happier we've TR we've talked about as a company

we've TR we've talked about as a company trying to be with you every step of the

trying to be with you every step of the way in your mental health journey and

way in your mental health journey and this was really around how to become how

this was really around how to become how do we become the most

do we become the most impactful consumer mental health company

impactful consumer mental health company in the world and when I sat back and

in the world and when I sat back and said that's what we want to become and

said that's what we want to become and the team had kind of been the one

the team had kind of been the one synthesizing it then everyone started

synthesizing it then everyone started mobilizing against it on their own and I

mobilizing against it on their own and I and I they had thought about things that

and I they had thought about things that I had never even thought about

I had never even thought about because I'm just too far sometimes away

because I'm just too far sometimes away from the details and then now i' I've

from the details and then now i' I've seen us accelerate and I know that

seen us accelerate and I know that motion and muscle can be repeated right

motion and muscle can be repeated right and you can bring it to other companies

and you can bring it to other companies regardless of size and I think sometimes

regardless of size and I think sometimes as companies get larger and I've had the

as companies get larger and I've had the fortune of starting my own company where

fortune of starting my own company where it's like three of us and then it grows

it's like three of us and then it grows to 30 whatever 300 and then to thousands

to 30 whatever 300 and then to thousands and then I've had the fortune of joining

and then I've had the fortune of joining companies later where it's thousands and

companies later where it's thousands and it becomes hundreds of thousands

it becomes hundreds of thousands ultimately that culture is your Bedrock

ultimately that culture is your Bedrock you know whether or not how many people

you know whether or not how many people you stack on top of it what you start to

you stack on top of it what you start to set as your foundation will percolate

set as your foundation will percolate amongst the entire company and if you

amongst the entire company and if you don't do that the right way and if

don't do that the right way and if you're not thought then you may not get

you're not thought then you may not get the results that you're happy with right

the results that you're happy with right and you may create more stressful

and you may create more stressful environments that you just

environments that you just unintentionally didn't think about and

unintentionally didn't think about and that's where I I really appreciate about

that's where I I really appreciate about When leaders come around they talk about

When leaders come around they talk about being more thoughtful in their

being more thoughtful in their decision-making process being more

decision-making process being more vulnerable being more open really

vulnerable being more open really thinking about employees mental health

thinking about employees mental health but then not just talking about it but

but then not just talking about it but then really acting upon it totally and

then really acting upon it totally and if you can do that a little bit year

if you can do that a little bit year after year right you can really create a

after year right you can really create a special culture and I think they'll do

special culture and I think they'll do special things absolutely David it's

special things absolutely David it's been such a joy talking to you today I

been such a joy talking to you today I really enjoyed our dialogue around

really enjoyed our dialogue around recharging and you know I'm so grateful

recharging and you know I'm so grateful for the work you're doing at Comm

for the work you're doing at Comm because I remember being a

because I remember being a Analyst at

Analyst at Accenture and I was tossed I'm sure you

Accenture and I was tossed I'm sure you were really good I was I was okay I was

were really good I was I was okay I was tossed with teaching meditation in my

tossed with teaching meditation in my spare time and mindfulness in my spare

spare time and mindfulness in my spare time at the company and I would travel

time at the company and I would travel around and I would do lunchtime sessions

around and I would do lunchtime sessions and after workor sessions and I couldn't

and after workor sessions and I couldn't scale myself but now thanks to calm uh

scale myself but now thanks to calm uh not only am I able to scale myself to

not only am I able to scale myself to more people but we're able to introduce

more people but we're able to introduce people to so many amazing hosts and

people to so many amazing hosts and narrators that we have oncom and I think

narrators that we have oncom and I think inside an organization you no longer

inside an organization you no longer need someone running around the

need someone running around the organization physically trying to serve

organization physically trying to serve lots of people you actually have the

lots of people you actually have the ability for everyone to tune in and we

ability for everyone to tune in and we we end every on purpose episode with a

we end every on purpose episode with a final five these questions have to be

final five these questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence

answered in one word to one sentence maximum so David Cod these are your

maximum so David Cod these are your final five the first question is what is

final five the first question is what is the best recharge advice you've ever

the best recharge advice you've ever heard in your life to be more

heard in your life to be more present I I recognize at times that I've

present I I recognize at times that I've been there but not really and so you are

been there but not really and so you are you do so good at this where you're just

you do so good at this where you're just so present whether it's one person or

so present whether it's one person or hundreds or thousands I've seen it I've

hundreds or thousands I've seen it I've been in your auditoriums where you've TR

been in your auditoriums where you've TR and everyone feels your presence and so

and everyone feels your presence and so presence I like that answer not the part

presence I like that answer not the part about me you're very kind but the uh

about me you're very kind but the uh because I don't think we realized how

because I don't think we realized how draining it is when you're not present

draining it is when you're not present and you gave that great analogy earlier

and you gave that great analogy earlier when you have lots of tabs and apps open

when you have lots of tabs and apps open yeah that's when we drain our battery

yeah that's when we drain our battery that's right and so so many of us are

that's right and so so many of us are draining our battery by thinking oh I'm

draining our battery by thinking oh I'm here right now with David but actually

here right now with David but actually if my mind's over there I'll get more

if my mind's over there I'll get more done and you're actually depleting your

done and you're actually depleting your battery so it's a great answer uh second

battery so it's a great answer uh second question what is the worst advice you've

question what is the worst advice you've ever heard about recharging

ever heard about recharging yourself sorry Mom cuz she's going to be

yourself sorry Mom cuz she's going to be listening and watching uh and my mom I

listening and watching uh and my mom I love my mom so I'm going to start by

love my mom so I'm going to start by that and she's giv me lots of great

that and she's giv me lots of great advice but this probably was the worst

advice but this probably was the worst advice she gave me as a child which was

advice she gave me as a child which was to power through and it's not about

to power through and it's not about powering through it's really about

powering through it's really about powering up and she didn't know you know

powering up and she didn't know you know but you know Mom I think it was not

but you know Mom I think it was not about powering through question number

about powering through question number three what's your three favorite ways to

three what's your three favorite ways to power up so I have rituals like you and

power up so I have rituals like you and my rituals in the morning uh when I wake

my rituals in the morning uh when I wake up I don't look at my phone right away I

up I don't look at my phone right away I actually go downstairs I start the

actually go downstairs I start the coffee I open the window and uh I walk

coffee I open the window and uh I walk outside and I take three breaths and

outside and I take three breaths and it's been something I've been very

it's been something I've been very intentional about doing if I'm traveling

intentional about doing if I'm traveling I try to open the window you know

I try to open the window you know wherever it may be if you're an

wherever it may be if you're an apartment or something that process

apartment or something that process starts to Center me the second I I do is

starts to Center me the second I I do is I do a lot of walking meetings and so

I do a lot of walking meetings and so I'm a big fan of like trying to break

I'm a big fan of like trying to break things up that help me reach so people

things up that help me reach so people give me energy I would say going outside

give me energy I would say going outside breathing people give me energy and then

breathing people give me energy and then lastly I think similar to yourself I

lastly I think similar to yourself I love to exercise as well and I've become

love to exercise as well and I've become a lot better at keeping a steady

a lot better at keeping a steady schedule around it and even someone said

schedule around it and even someone said this to me the other day they said do

this to me the other day they said do something every day right and and I'm

something every day right and and I'm like great I'm GNA do something every

like great I'm GNA do something every day and I'm going to be really

day and I'm going to be really intentional about it and just keep at it

intentional about it and just keep at it uh some days I'll go to the gym

uh some days I'll go to the gym sometimes I'll do something at home it

sometimes I'll do something at home it be really quick um but exercise as well

be really quick um but exercise as well I love that question number four what

I love that question number four what are your three favorite ways to power

are your three favorite ways to power down I turn everything off meaning the

down I turn everything off meaning the following so it won't be just putting my

following so it won't be just putting my phone and turning it over because I

phone and turning it over because I don't think sometimes that's enough I'll

don't think sometimes that's enough I'll just be like you know what I'm kind of

just be like you know what I'm kind of done I wanted to ask you earlier because

done I wanted to ask you earlier because I'm

I'm curious if you had a day and you didn't

curious if you had a day and you didn't use your phone social media what does

use your phone social media what does that day look like for you those are the

that day look like for you those are the best days doesn't happen very often I've

best days doesn't happen very often I've definitely tried really hard one thing

definitely tried really hard one thing I've really focused on is when me and my

I've really focused on is when me and my wife were together in the evening for

wife were together in the evening for dinner and then if we're watching a show

dinner and then if we're watching a show or something is not bringing the phone

or something is not bringing the phone to those two things because I found

to those two things because I found myself a lot of the time like finishing

myself a lot of the time like finishing off last emails messaging while we were

off last emails messaging while we were having dinner and then when you're

having dinner and then when you're watching a show you're distracted yeah

watching a show you're distracted yeah and then you watch your your partner get

and then you watch your your partner get distracted and then you're like mad at

distracted and then you're like mad at them for getting distracted but then

them for getting distracted but then when they put their phone down you've

when they put their phone down you've got yours up and they're mad at you for

got yours up and they're mad at you for getting distracted I was like what are

getting distracted I was like what are we doing here yeah and I was starting to

we doing here yeah and I was starting to notice just my attention span just

notice just my attention span just dropping I've I've noticed that a lot in

dropping I've I've noticed that a lot in the last 12 months more than any time

the last 12 months more than any time before and I've realized so much of it

before and I've realized so much of it is because of just the speed of

is because of just the speed of consumption so now it's not even that

consumption so now it's not even that we're consuming a lot we're consuming a

we're consuming a lot we're consuming a lot at a really fast rate and so you're

lot at a really fast rate and so you're just making it easier for your mind to

just making it easier for your mind to get two seconds of everything and so for

get two seconds of everything and so for me I try and make my weekends very phone

me I try and make my weekends very phone free because weekdays I am on my phone

free because weekdays I am on my phone I've also found that even when I'm with

I've also found that even when I'm with my team if I can have my laptop in the

my team if I can have my laptop in the room but my laptop's not connected to

room but my laptop's not connected to messaging apps and then my phone's not

messaging apps and then my phone's not in the room I actually find I'm better

in the room I actually find I'm better with my team so I can still do email I

with my team so I can still do email I can still do work on my laptop but it's

can still do work on my laptop but it's not wired up to Whatsapp it's not wired

not wired up to Whatsapp it's not wired up to text message I don't need it and

up to text message I don't need it and so I've been trying to leave my phone

so I've been trying to leave my phone actually out of my hand when I'm not

actually out of my hand when I'm not traveling if I'm going out for work or

traveling if I'm going out for work or driving of course I need my phone but if

driving of course I need my phone but if I'm in the office I don't need my phone

I'm in the office I don't need my phone on me in meeting or in between meetings

on me in meeting or in between meetings actually and all of this is stuff I'm

actually and all of this is stuff I'm still working on too because I find

still working on too because I find myself go through ups and downs with it

myself go through ups and downs with it there there are times when I'm brilliant

there there are times when I'm brilliant at it I also follow you I don't keep my

at it I also follow you I don't keep my phone in my bedroom don't look at it

phone in my bedroom don't look at it first thing in the morning but I also

first thing in the morning but I also have days where I break that completely

have days where I break that completely when I'm traveling and so I don't want

when I'm traveling and so I don't want to make anyone feel like I've got it

to make anyone feel like I've got it down or perfect because I haven't and I

down or perfect because I haven't and I think it's almost like Peaks and troughs

think it's almost like Peaks and troughs there's always a a good day and a bad

there's always a a good day and a bad week and a good week and a bad day yeah

week and a good week and a bad day yeah yeah that's great

yeah that's great being honest yeah uh Fifth and final

being honest yeah uh Fifth and final question to David Co if you could create

question to David Co if you could create one law that everyone in the world had

one law that everyone in the world had to follow what would it be kids have to

to follow what would it be kids have to go to gym five days and they know

go to gym five days and they know there's physical exercise and it's just

there's physical exercise and it's just kind of like it's just understood why

kind of like it's just understood why can't we take some of that time for

can't we take some of that time for children to also better understand their

children to also better understand their own mental health and to teach them

own mental health and to teach them about their mental health because we

about their mental health because we know so much of this starts early just

know so much of this starts early just like it started with myself at 14 if I

like it started with myself at 14 if I had that vocabulary at 14 I probably

had that vocabulary at 14 I probably would have developed better kind of

would have developed better kind of healthy behaviors at 14 and did that as

healthy behaviors at 14 and did that as I turned into a young adult so I would

I turned into a young adult so I would love to take a little bit of time

love to take a little bit of time doesn't have to be all the time could be

doesn't have to be all the time could be carve outs maybe once twice three times

carve outs maybe once twice three times a week where we educate our children and

a week where we educate our children and check up on them on their mental health

check up on them on their mental health or their battery and ask them the

or their battery and ask them the question I love that what a great law

question I love that what a great law that would that would have a big impact

that would that would have a big impact on the world the book is called recharge

on the world the book is called recharge You' got interviews with everyone from

You' got interviews with everyone from Randle Park to mclamore

Randle Park to mclamore brilliant book so

brilliant book so fascinating I love the format I love the

fascinating I love the format I love the format the format is fantastic like you

format the format is fantastic like you sat down with experts with rappers with

sat down with experts with rappers with Rebels innovators thought leaders and

Rebels innovators thought leaders and you put together this beautiful book

you put together this beautiful book called recharge David I'm so grateful

called recharge David I'm so grateful that you put it together I'm so grateful

that you put it together I'm so grateful we connected yeah and I'm and thank you

we connected yeah and I'm and thank you for taking the time having me here thank

for taking the time having me here thank you for talking about the book it's it's

you for talking about the book it's it's it's something I'm so proud of uh I hope

it's something I'm so proud of uh I hope people people get some you know really

people people get some you know really get something out of it we talked to a

get something out of it we talked to a lot lot of different folks like you said

lot lot of different folks like you said uh like Randall who's you know you know

uh like Randall who's you know you know as well and many other folks There

as well and many other folks There Delilah and they just talked about so

Delilah and they just talked about so many amazing things and I um I was

many amazing things and I um I was really touched by talking to each and

really touched by talking to each and every one of them I was honored to hear

every one of them I was honored to hear their stories and it just made me a

their stories and it just made me a better person it also has helped me in

better person it also has helped me in my mental health journey and I hope it

my mental health journey and I hope it helped some other people as well David

helped some other people as well David thank you so much is there anything I

thank you so much is there anything I didn't ask you that you really want to

didn't ask you that you really want to touch on something that's on your heart

touch on something that's on your heart or mind that's calling for you to share

or mind that's calling for you to share i' to share it you never asked me how my

i' to share it you never asked me how my battery is how's

battery is how's your I I would tell you my battery is at

your I I would tell you my battery is at 100 over 100% because I got to spend

100 over 100% because I got to spend time with you you're too kind no no and

time with you you're too kind no no and and I'll tell you conversations like

and I'll tell you conversations like this just recharge and energize me I I

this just recharge and energize me I I love the fact that we got to sit I I've

love the fact that we got to sit I I've love the fact that I got to know you

love the fact that I got to know you personally and professionally I'm so

personally and professionally I'm so grateful for our friendship your

grateful for our friendship your mentorship your words of wisdom I know

mentorship your words of wisdom I know how many millions of people you effect

how many millions of people you effect every day I mean over 50 million people

every day I mean over 50 million people on com the entire employee base of Comm

on com the entire employee base of Comm uh really just uh I can't tell you the

uh really just uh I can't tell you the impact you've made both uh on us on a

impact you've made both uh on us on a personal and professional front so thank

personal and professional front so thank you I want to ask you how's your battery

you I want to ask you how's your battery do you know what and I'm not just saying

do you know what and I'm not just saying this because you're here and I and I

this because you're here and I and I really do mean it you recharg my battery

really do mean it you recharg my battery too like this conversation is I'd say

too like this conversation is I'd say before you came in today I was probably

before you came in today I was probably at like a 60 yeah I've had a lot of

at like a 60 yeah I've had a lot of social events in the past couple of

social events in the past couple of weeks just we had Dali which is our yes

weeks just we had Dali which is our yes beautiful Festival every year we had

beautiful Festival every year we had there was just so much going on and all

there was just so much going on and all good stuff all stuff I wanted to go to

good stuff all stuff I wanted to go to yeah but I'm very disciplined about my

yeah but I'm very disciplined about my sleep all year round and at this time of

sleep all year round and at this time of year I kind of let go a little bit

year I kind of let go a little bit because there are so many wonderful

because there are so many wonderful events that I get invited to and so I've

events that I get invited to and so I've been feeling a bit and as soon as you

been feeling a bit and as soon as you came in you took me from a 6 to a 95

came in you took me from a 6 to a 95 easily and honestly it's this

easily and honestly it's this conversation because it felt so real so

conversation because it felt so real so authentic so genuine I felt like again

authentic so genuine I felt like again you were really present and I think

you were really present and I think that's what we don't realize when you're

that's what we don't realize when you're present with someone you're charging

present with someone you're charging them up while you're being charged and

them up while you're being charged and that's such a superpower that often we

that's such a superpower that often we think oh if I'm charging someone else

think oh if I'm charging someone else off I'm losing energy but that's not

off I'm losing energy but that's not true if you're charging someone el else

true if you're charging someone el else up by being present you're getting

up by being present you're getting charged up and so are they and we've

charged up and so are they and we've both felt that today and I and I

both felt that today and I and I genuinely felt that today and honestly

genuinely felt that today and honestly Karma has just been so such a brilliant

Karma has just been so such a brilliant partner it's the team I love working

partner it's the team I love working with every day whether it's the content

with every day whether it's the content team the team that we work within the

team the team that we work within the studio the team that I get to see once a

studio the team that I get to see once a year the leadership everyone walks the

year the leadership everyone walks the talk there and it's it's so impressive

talk there and it's it's so impressive to me thank you because I felt it from

to me thank you because I felt it from the moment I started doing zooms and

the moment I started doing zooms and meetings with everyone at Comm and it's

meetings with everyone at Comm and it's it's remarkable what you're all doing

it's remarkable what you're all doing and I I can't wait to be a part of the

and I I can't wait to be a part of the future so congratulations and it's just

future so congratulations and it's just the beginning I think we're just we're

the beginning I think we're just we're just getting started so I appreciate

just getting started so I appreciate thank you J thanks for having me onk you

thank you J thanks for having me onk you so much if this year you're trying to

so much if this year you're trying to live longer live happier live healthier

live longer live happier live healthier go and check out my conversation with

go and check out my conversation with the world's biggest longevity Doctor

the world's biggest longevity Doctor Peter ATA on how to slow down aging and

Peter ATA on how to slow down aging and why your emotional health is directly

why your emotional health is directly impacting your physical health

impacting your physical health acknowledge that there is surprisingly

acknowledge that there is surprisingly little known about the relationship

little known about the relationship between nutrition and health and people

between nutrition and health and people are going to be shocked to hear that

are going to be shocked to hear that because I think most people think the

because I think most people think the exact opposite

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