0:02 I became a hater. I was telling everyone
0:04 I was thinking everyone's at music
0:07 become better than everyone.
0:09 But now I'm I'm not thinking like that
0:12 again. Like I'm not now I'm even in the
0:16 sport. I'm not I'm not really I don't
0:18 think I'm competitive. But then then
0:20 I'll go and do a song with somebody.
0:22 I'll be in the studio with them. But
0:24 it's not like a I don't know what it is
0:26 but it's true. Like it's just in the
0:27 back of your mind cool. Like I can't let
0:30 my man step on my toes. All right. So,
0:32 I got to show up and be my best. Yeah.
0:34 Yeah. [Music]
0:42 [Music]
0:46 Oh, man. Fresh off the Apple Music Live.
0:47 Uh, and I'm honored to have him today
0:50 cuz he don't really like to talk to us
0:52 mere mortals. You know what I'm saying?
0:54 It's Central C sitting in the room.
0:55 What's going on, man?
0:56 I'm good, man. How are you?
0:58 Good. I'm blessed, man. It's good to
0:59 have you.
1:00 Yeah, it's good to be here.
1:02 I'm uh I'm The reason I said that too is
1:04 because I I love the fact that you don't
1:05 do too much talking. I mean, you're on
1:07 social media, you're having a good time,
1:08 living your life with your friends and
1:10 being dope, but you don't really do a
1:11 lot of sit down. So, I really do appreciate
1:12 appreciate
1:14 Yeah, I can't sit still.
1:17 So, having a convo like this is tough.
1:18 It's not even Yeah. Not cuz I can't sit
1:22 still, but I can't like I
1:24 I find it a bit awkward talking about me.
1:24 me.
1:27 Right. Right. Right. But but I notic in
1:29 your music,
1:33 a lot of your music, man, it it is about
1:35 you and obviously your accomplishments.
1:36 You're a rapper.
1:39 I hear so much about your family, your
1:41 friends, the people you love, and your
1:44 motivation, which I find,
1:48 you know, very uh appealing and dope.
1:50 You know what I'm saying? Like I I want
1:52 to start there because even at your
1:53 Apple Music Live show, you open up in
1:55 the car with your friends
1:57 And one of my favorite records off the
2:00 album that I play the most is Limitless.
2:02 Um, you know, because I feel like, look,
2:04 man, you know, everybody can talk slick.
2:06 Everybody can get money. Everybody can,
2:07 you know, talk to the girls and do all
2:08 that But when somebody's really
2:11 willing to be like, yo,
2:13 I recognize the hardships other people
2:15 are going through. I recognize the
2:17 I come from, and I want to make sure
2:18 that I
2:20 share that story with everyone. I think
2:21 that's powerful, man.
2:22 Yeah. It's important. It's important to
2:25 us. It was hard to make. It was hard to
2:26 make that song, that's what the album
2:27 was missing. It was one of the last
2:30 songs that was added to the to the
2:33 album, but
2:37 yeah, I think like as as I grow
2:41 or or like Yeah. grow away from that, I
2:43 try not to I don't know. It's just not
2:44 in the forefront of my
2:45 of my head in it. Well,
2:47 you're living a different life.
2:50 Yeah. So, it was hard to kind of channel
2:53 that. I had a few songs like that were a
2:55 bit mellow, but you couldn't hear the
2:56 pain the same way. Mhm.
2:57 Mhm.
2:59 Like you used to maybe with some of my
3:00 older stuff
3:01 other projects. Yeah.
3:04 But I had to proper channel it a bit and
3:06 and yeah, get back in that head space. I guess
3:07 guess
3:10 2022 2023 was really what exploded
3:13 for you, right? That was the Would you
3:15 say that was the time, right? Or you
3:18 would say before that? For me, as soon
3:19 as that, like I've just been in the same
3:23 headsp space from 2020, June 2020,
3:25 when Day in the Life dropped, that was
3:26 my first
3:27 Yeah, that was the first project. Yeah.
3:29 Yeah.
3:30 It's just been the same. Like I feel
3:32 like I'm the it's it's hard for me to
3:34 even be in the like understand the
3:38 difference from then till now cuz
3:40 I've just been in like the same mode
3:41 from then.
3:43 It's even like me like when looking at
3:45 other artists cuz like I reference I
3:47 reference Duck when when thinking about
3:51 this. Yeah. Cuz cuz I've seen Duck from
3:53 I wonder what year but this ain't what
3:54 they want.
3:54 That's right.
3:56 And like from and I became a fan of Duck
3:58 from then.
4:00 So in my eyes he was always Duck. I'm
4:02 not really looking at the not I'm just a
4:03 fan. I'm not looking at his views like
4:05 when he's dropping. I'm just liking the
4:06 song. I'm not looking like, oh, this
4:08 song's got more views than the last one,
4:10 or this one's got the less views than whatever.
4:12 whatever.
4:14 But then somebody said something to me
4:17 one time. It was like, yeah, like Durk's
4:19 just broke through.
4:21 And that was only like when he done the
4:22 song with Drake. I was like, how? Like
4:24 I've been listening to Dirk for like 6 years
4:25 years
4:26 and he's been in my head, he's just the
4:28 same Duck. I'm not looking at him like,
4:30 oh, he's getting he's growing. I'm not
4:31 even watching it like that. I'm just
4:32 appreciating the music.
4:34 And I think it's the same for me. that
4:37 I'm just in my own head. So, I don't
4:41 know. Uh, music became my job in 2020
4:43 and it's just been that ever since. But
4:45 you're right. There is different turning
4:47 points, but I don't I don't see them.
4:49 Probably not even That's not why you're
4:51 doing it. Once again, goes back to the
4:52 original thing. It's not why you're
4:55 doing it. You're doing it because you
4:58 have something to say and you have a
5:00 group, a community that you trying to
5:01 rep for and a family that you're trying
5:04 to take care of with a skill that you've
5:05 worked on. You know what I'm saying? Like
5:05 Like Yeah.
5:06 Yeah.
5:08 You're not like, yo, I got to I got to
5:09 get to this point and then I got to get
5:11 to this point, right? Like Yeah.
5:12 There's just one point. Yeah.
5:13 Yeah.
5:14 There's two points probably. We've made
5:17 the first point which is we have changed
5:22 our life and then the next point is
5:25 just all I'm doing is just staying alive
5:28 and working while I'm alive in it. But
5:30 I think it's that and then it's also we
5:32 we do have a bit of a problem with like
5:35 celebrating or like
5:38 like acknowledging accomplishments. So
5:40 there's no time stamps to anything. As
5:43 soon as something great happens, we just
5:45 just it's just another day in the office really.
5:45 really.
5:48 I told uh for the audience, I had told
5:52 uh Central C that uh he's the first UK
5:55 rapper to really break in the North
5:59 American hip-hop scene and radio scene
6:00 for that matter. I mean, Skeptor
6:04 obviously had a wave and collabs, but I
6:06 don't think he had, you know, and that's
6:09 my boy. But that band for band went to a
6:11 whole other level on the radio out here.
6:13 Like it was playing everywhere every hour,
6:14 hour,
6:15 all day. You know what I'm saying? Like that's
6:16 that's
6:19 and that's you know
6:21 that's something you should celebrate,
6:23 right? Cuz because even in hip-hop,
6:25 right? Like you know I live here in New
6:27 York. We um it took New York a while to
6:30 understand the slang of the South. Like
6:32 when the Migos came around, people was
6:34 like I I don't know what they saying.
6:37 And I remember like UK rappers, you
6:39 know, would come out gigs or, you know,
6:41 Skeptor, whoever would cut through, we'd
6:42 be playing their records out here and
6:44 people be like, "Yo, I don't I don't
6:45 understand what they saying." And you be
6:47 like, "Yo, they speaking English, bro.
6:49 You can't." But it's the way the the
6:50 English is put together and the
6:52 different slang that's different. You
6:54 know what I'm saying? But the fact that
6:55 you broke through
6:58 and people can understand what you're
7:00 saying opens the door for that
7:02 communication to start taking place.
7:03 Well, you think I make it easier to understand?
7:04 understand?
7:05 Well, the fact that your song was
7:07 playing on the radio, people can hear
7:09 your cadence and your flow. Yeah.
7:10 Yeah.
7:11 And starts to open the door for other MC's.
7:12 MC's.
7:15 Yeah, for sure. What do you think the
7:15 difference is
7:17 in the in the in the in the way the
7:19 language is spoken or?
7:22 No, in the in in the way that it's like now
7:24 now
7:25 more easily easily.
7:27 I think the difference becomes people
7:29 are now open-minded.
7:29 Yeah. Yeah.
7:32 It's like they tried a new try they not
7:33 they tried a new entree at the hip-hop
7:35 restaurant and they're like, "Yo, I
7:37 never even Oh, yo, this is pretty
7:39 good. Yo, y'all should check for this."
7:40 And I think more people start to check
7:42 for it. Yeah.
7:43 Yeah.
7:46 Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a few things as
7:48 well in it. I think like the fact like
7:49 have you seen Top Boy?
7:51 Yeah, that too. That's a good point.
7:54 People watching Top Boy. I remember
7:55 before before I blew up as well. It's
7:56 not a good thing at all.
7:58 That Supercell was fired too.
8:00 Yeah. people rated that over here. I I
8:02 even seen that. But that's great.
8:06 Off this new uh Can't Rush Greatness. Um
8:08 like I said, I love Limus uh Limitless GBP
8:10 GBP
8:13 um with the 21 Savage joint. Oh, that's
8:15 GPP. No, the Skeptor joint 10.
8:16 Yeah. Yeah.
8:19 Um you performed that joint on uh the
8:22 Apple Music Live. Talk about the stage
8:24 setup and the and the creativity around
8:28 the visual. We saw Apple Music Live. you
8:30 know, your thought process going into a
8:32 show that size because I I mean that was
8:33 monumental, right? You say you guys
8:35 don't really stop and smell the roses,
8:36 but I hope you walked out there and was
8:40 like, "Oh shit." Like O2
8:41 UK. Do
8:42 you know what? I was actually mad
8:44 emotional at the OT, you know, not at
8:46 the not during the show, not before the
8:50 show or during it or maybe actually near
8:52 the end like when like there's the end
8:54 bit and like the confetti comes out and
8:56 like even someone says I thought you was
8:57 going to cry, you know, and I was like I
9:01 think I was you know slightly but
9:03 yeah cuz all my family was in there and
9:06 then I can't lie.
9:07 Then like when I've come backstage I
9:09 don't know. Yeah, it was weird, you
9:12 know, cuz I don't know like I don't I'm
9:14 bad at emotions in it. Like sometimes
9:16 I'm supposed to cry but I laugh. Like my
9:20 body just laughs or like Yeah. Like my
9:24 my brain's just a bit mash up but like
9:26 there was some there was I was emotional
9:29 in it. Um
9:31 but the create the creative behind it I
9:35 don't know. I think um what I always try
9:37 and do, I don't always get it right. And
9:39 I still don't have I'm still not like so
9:44 proud of that show um creatively.
9:46 creatively.
9:48 I think there's there's something that a
9:49 man could do maybe a bit more
9:52 simplistically in it. There's a few
9:54 references to some people's shows at the
9:57 moment that I liking it and and they're
9:59 all pretty simple,
10:02 but ours was a bit complicated. But what
10:04 I want to do is when people come and see
10:06 me in real life at a show, I want them
10:08 to see
10:10 what they see on the internet in it.
10:12 Whether it's music videos or like my
10:14 Instagram, which is all pretty
10:15 consistent and anytime you really see
10:18 me, it's the same kind of kind of thing.
10:20 All my videos are kind of similar or
10:24 whatever. So yeah, I just wanted to
10:27 paint that that picture on stage as best
10:28 as I could. That's what I was trying to do.
10:29 do.
10:31 I feel like you got it though.
10:32 Especially the way I mean you the tone
10:34 is set from the intro.
10:36 The intro suck. The intro and the outro perfect.
10:37 perfect.
10:39 Yeah, the intro. And I don't know if you
10:41 saw the outro.
10:43 Nobody really caught on to it as much as
10:46 I wanted them to. But the so the whole
10:48 shows actually
10:51 we started um the creative started I had
10:52 I just knew the aesthetic like I wanted
10:56 the the house the whole stage is kind of
11:00 like a house and you're seeing different
11:04 like things happening whatever whatever.
11:06 But then it just like a few days before
11:10 the show started um the tour started, we
11:14 had a I had a it felt like a great idea
11:17 um to do that intro cuz I knew I always
11:18 was going to have the Yaris on stage,
11:19 but I didn't know how I was really going
11:23 to introduce it. M.
11:25 So, we filmed the intro and as I'm as
11:28 I'm planning it or like kind of like me
11:29 and my me and my bridge and Luchi is
11:32 kind of like scripting the intro.
11:35 We thought we thought it could be funny
11:37 if like then the outro comes out at the
11:38 end and the whole thing was a dream.
11:39 Right. Right.
11:41 So, in the beginning, it's like supposed
11:44 to be before when music wasn't my life
11:47 and I've smoked the zoot and I've got
11:49 super high.
11:51 I've fell asleep. I've had a dream of
11:53 the whole show and then the outro pops
11:56 back up and I'm asleep in the car.
11:58 Bridgeten wakes me up and I was like
11:59 hell. Like I was just having a
12:03 mad dream about performing this and that
12:06 and um yeah, I thought that was a cool
12:08 concept. No one really caught on to it
12:10 that that that much in it, but like
12:10 like
12:12 Well, we got Apple Music Live on the
12:14 service now. They can go back and watch.
12:15 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Go watch it.
12:17 Check for it. You seem competitive.
12:19 I must be in it. I don't I don't see it.
12:22 Like I don't I don't really I don't see
12:24 it but I like I must be but I don't know
12:26 who you're with. I don't know who I'm
12:26 competing with.
12:28 But yeah, I have to assume that when you
12:31 first started to hear rappers that you
12:34 were like, "Nah, I can do that." And I
12:35 want like I have to assume that there
12:37 were people that you came up and just
12:40 when you was a a little dude like
12:41 rapping who thought they was better than you.
12:43 you. No.
12:44 No.
12:46 No. You haven't you haven't had to
12:49 Not really. No. like coming up I was I
12:51 just appreciated like I just listen I
12:53 thought yeah I want to do that as well.
12:53 I never thought
12:55 I got to be better than this guy
12:57 or may no I didn't for a lot for a long
12:58 time. So I started rapping when I was
13:01 like 14 or no I started rapping younger.
13:02 I actually released something when I was
13:07 like 14 and then I didn't um pop off
13:10 until I was 20
13:15 22. Yeah. Um,
13:16 but for the longest amount of time, I
13:19 was just making music. Like I had so
13:20 much faith
13:22 that I wasn't watching anything and I
13:23 was just cool. Like I thought I
13:25 appreciated everybody's music and this
13:27 and that and I was just a bit I don't
13:30 know. I don't know what what the turning
13:33 point was though in my head. I lost
13:34 faith in myself. I started getting
13:36 insecure in my own craft
13:38 cuz it wasn't do it wasn't going
13:39 anywhere in it slightly. that had some
13:41 sort of little motion, but I wasn't
13:43 happy with it. Then I remember a switch
13:45 started happening. Maybe I weren't happy
13:47 with my life. So I'd be in certain
13:48 environments that I didn't really want
13:50 to be in. And I'm just looking at I'm
13:52 going on my phone now and I clocked
13:53 myself I became a hater. But it's mad
13:56 cuz I grew up for my whole life up until
13:59 I don't know maybe like 18. I never knew
14:01 no feeling of jealousy,
14:04 hate like I was actually I don't know
14:06 even now it's probably I've probably
14:07 gone back to my natural state in it. I
14:10 have no hate. I'm not I don't I don't
14:11 No jealousy, no.
14:12 No, I don't really feel them feelings
14:15 there. But I remember in that time and
14:16 that's how you know you're just a
14:19 product of your environment in it. Cuz
14:20 when I'm there and I'm looking, I don't
14:23 want to be in this house. I'm scrolling
14:26 my phone. I'm looking at these rappers
14:28 now that I used to rate. I'm looking at
14:31 I think these are man.
14:32 Like the same people that I used to
14:33 think were hard. I said, "These are
14:35 I'm better. I must be better than
14:37 them." I said, "This guy's not even the truth."
14:38 truth."
14:42 Like, I'm start I'm starting clocking
14:44 how it is to be a hater. And I became
14:48 that. Um, but give thanks, man. Got out
14:50 of that mindset still. But I understand
14:52 how it can how it can be in it when
14:53 you're not when you're somewhere you
14:54 don't want to be.
14:55 That's right.
14:57 And I So, I think that's why I don't I
15:00 don't petty anybody's opinion either. I
15:02 grew up
15:05 like on the other side of that stick as
15:07 well. Like cool. Like I saw people being
15:08 jealous. People was jealous all the time
15:10 in it before I even start making music.
15:12 I just when I'm I don't know. It's just natural
15:14 natural
15:16 to me. I don't I don't It's nothing for
15:19 for people to have an opinion on me like
15:21 outside of my circle. As long as my
15:24 people like rate me. my mom has some
15:27 like respect for man or me like I've got
15:30 respect within man's family or whatever
15:32 that's all that matters to me in it
15:34 everything else is it's whatever I
15:37 think people gravitate to that that confidence
15:39 confidence
15:40 you know that means you come from a
15:44 loving place a real place and you know a
15:46 healthy place too [Music]
15:47 [Music]
15:49 but even that self-reflection you shared
15:51 with us I think is super healthy right
15:54 acknowledging that you were stuck, not
15:57 quite happy with yourself.
16:00 That created negative negative vibes fully
16:02 fully
16:04 hating. I start became a hater. I was
16:06 telling everyone I was thinking
16:08 everyone's at music. I think I'm
16:10 better than everyone.
16:12 But now I'm I'm back. I'm I'm not
16:14 thinking like that again. Like I'm not I
16:18 now I'm even in the sport. I'm not I'm
16:20 not really I don't think I'm
16:22 competitive. But then then I'll go and
16:24 do a song with somebody.
16:26 I'll be in the studio with them. But
16:27 it's not like a I don't know what it is,
16:29 but it's true. Like it's just in the
16:30 back of your mind. Cool. Like I can't
16:33 let my man step on my toes. Like
16:35 I got to show up and be my best.
16:37 Yeah. So I guess Yeah. Cuz people say,
16:39 "Oh, like you some people say like your
16:41 best verses are my best verses are when
16:44 I'm rapping on somebody else's song."
16:46 And it like it's it might be true. Like
16:48 that is when I do rap a little bit
16:50 different. Like when I'm just by myself,
16:51 I'm just swing.
16:53 You and Dave Cook, boy.
16:55 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good feeling.
16:56 feeling.
16:58 Beast, too. So, I'm sure. But I mean
17:00 that he he he I'm sure he's you know
17:03 that's your that's your friend probably
17:04 outside the game. You guys have done
17:06 what five, like six, seven records
17:07 together at this point.
17:08 Yeah. Yeah.
17:09 You know what I'm saying? You got the
17:11 the the EP project, but then collabs
17:12 outside of that.
17:15 Yeah. So, I got to assume you guys love
17:16 working together.
17:18 Yes, it's
17:20 I don't really work with any I haven't
17:21 really worked with many people in it.
17:23 So, yeah, he's somebody that I've worked
17:27 with much more than anybody else.
17:29 And yeah, it's it's it's good. It get it
17:31 gets something
17:33 different. Yeah. out on my like when I'm
17:35 writing on my notes I'm writing a little
17:38 bit more different like I'm taking into
17:40 considerate or like even it's good as
17:43 well like he'll say something then man
17:45 can like run off the back of what he's
17:47 just said and it's easier for me it's
17:50 easier to write like that as well like
17:51 that's fire
17:52 what's one of your favorite records
17:54 well I can't say sprinter sprinter
17:55 obviously sick in it
17:58 why not cuz it's popular
18:01 no I think it's actually
18:02 No I think it's actually a good song as
18:03 well. I
18:05 That's what I'm saying. Like it's a it's
18:06 popular cuz it's good. It's not one of
18:07 those like
18:08 It is. And that's what surprised me, you
18:09 know? I didn't I've said it before
18:11 anyway, but I didn't think that song was
18:11 going to go. Why?
18:12 Why?
18:15 Cuz it's a good song.
18:17 Like I've never seen I don't know. Like
18:19 Well, cuz it's bars. Like it's bars. It's
18:19 It's
18:21 Yeah. Not cuz it's a good song in it. I
18:23 thought cuz it's too lyrical. like it's
18:28 like very like I just writ
18:30 all of my other songs that I've gone
18:32 like I write them with the agenda to to
18:34 go like that one there I was just
18:36 barring when I'm listening back to it
18:38 like there was nothing in it that like I
18:40 thought was catchy but what is catchy is
18:42 that it's good music as well the
18:43 instrumental is good
18:44 and then
18:47 yeah I think it's just it's we wrapped
18:49 well and then but that's it's it's rare
18:53 that a song pops off for
18:55 for it being good and not for it being a
18:59 gimmick or it being having some sort of
19:03 like mad catchy uh thing on Tik Tok or something.
19:04 something.
19:04 Yeah. Know that
19:07 it was just actually a rap song.
19:10 Central Sea's name. Uh we getting some
19:12 time with him today. You got your JCole
19:16 collab. HB fire on my delete later. Um
19:17 is there a story behind that? How that
19:18 came together? They reached out. or you
19:20 knew y'all was just happen to be in the same
19:20 same
19:24 I was supporting Andre's tour
19:26 which was cool. Um then I went home and then
19:28 then
19:30 but I had met my boy Harley who
19:33 engineers he's he was part of their
19:36 team. He's part of their team.
19:39 I've taken him back to London and we've
19:42 just started working and then if I
19:44 remember correctly I think just to get
19:45 inspired and that cuz I was just working
19:47 at home anyway. We said, "Yeah, let's
19:49 just like Jake's carrying on touring.
19:50 Like, let's just jump back on the road."
19:54 I weren't supporting the tour. Um, but
19:57 just jump back on on the road
19:58 and and then just carry on like just
20:00 working remotely and whatever, whatever.
20:02 And then JCole must have been
20:06 supporting. I met him there and then um
20:07 Oh, yeah. Cuz him and Drake was doing a
20:08 couple of shows together, right? Yeah.
20:09 Yeah. Yeah.
20:10 Yeah.
20:12 And JCole had already I see a video
20:14 online of him listening to Sprinter, so
20:16 I knew he was cool. him. Yeah. No, when
20:18 I when I met him, I was just talking to him.
20:18 him.
20:19 Coolest dude, right?
20:21 Sickest guy still. So, I was I was just
20:24 talking to him about some and
20:27 then he I don't know. He he just sent me
20:30 the song still and then that was it.
20:32 Yo, isn't it cool? Like I I have to
20:35 imagine you was a kid who loves this
20:36 hip-hop and watched all these guys,
20:38 right? And you meet them and they're
20:40 just cool as Drake's cool as
20:41 Cole's cool as Kendrick, they're
20:43 cool. Like they're just regular cool dudes.
20:43 dudes.
20:46 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. six still. It's
20:49 weird cuz I It's like I forget that I
20:50 was even watching them when I was a youth.
20:50 youth.
20:54 Right. Before um that first project
20:57 dropped. You say you was what 17 on the
20:59 first project? 18 on the first project.
21:02 Well, I don't want to say that. My first
21:05 project, my first project was in 2020
21:09 one and I was 202.
21:12 22. So
21:14 prior to that,
21:16 you deciding to be in music and make
21:18 this your profession. This is where I'm going.
21:24 What was the pressure from the family at
21:27 that time? Like what was what was like the,
21:28 the,
21:31 you know, was it was it support? Was it
21:34 like, yo, what the are you doing?
21:36 Yeah. My mom and my dad are split in it
21:39 and they're both so different. They're
21:42 both raised proper different. And yeah,
21:44 my dad is on whatever and support
21:46 anything I'm doing right or wrong.
21:47 So, and he's Gian. Yeah.
21:50 Yeah. My dad's gy and my mom's English
21:53 and my mom
21:54 Yeah. She weren't rating it in it.
21:56 Rightfully so, though.
21:57 It's not
21:59 It's not guaranteed.
22:00 It's a It's a liability, isn't it?
22:03 Yeah. Yeah. It's dangerous out here. Not
22:05 not even I don't even think on on
22:07 adapting, but it's just like there's not
22:10 even no great examples many examples of
22:11 like I don't know maybe it just seemed un
22:13 un
22:15 unachievable like it was it was
22:17 far-fetched for me. I'm literally I'm
22:22 like 13 14 like dropping music not doing
22:26 I left we I left school I was 16.
22:28 I left my moms I was 14. Me and my mom
22:31 didn't speak for like good few years
22:36 and then like yeah then there was no
22:40 sign of me doing anything like
22:43 uh traditional. So my mom didn't really
22:45 rate it. No, but
22:47 but
22:49 but I appreciate that she didn't in it.
22:51 It's only she
22:52 she want what's best for you. Yeah.
22:52 Yeah.
22:54 And she wants something guaranteed that
22:56 her baby's going to be safe, too.
22:59 Yeah. Yeah. My mom's mad like when um so
23:02 so I left my my house I was like 14 I
23:05 think I tried to go back when and I was
23:07 like seven like 16
23:10 and um
23:12 she was like she she ripped me like a
23:13 like a said cool if you want to come
23:15 back to the house you got to do this
23:18 this this this
23:20 and they would the rules were so my
23:22 mom's strict so then but one of them was
23:25 get a job in it you can get a job when
23:27 you're 16 legally
23:30 um when in in the UK. So
23:33 So then like all cool, whatever. I went
23:34 to the sneaker store. Yeah.
23:34 Yeah. Um
23:36 Um
23:38 in Westfield in my area,
23:42 but I I told my mom, "Print me one CV."
23:44 And um she's like, "How you think you're
23:46 going to get a job with one CV?" I said,
23:48 "I'm going to go Westfield. I'm going to
23:50 give it to this one store." So you need
23:51 more than that. Like cuz obviously
23:52 that's back in the I don't know if they
23:54 still do that now, but probably
23:55 drop the resume off.
23:56 Yeah. you'll probably give it to every store.
23:57 store. Yeah.
23:57 Yeah.
24:00 But I only wanted to work in one place
24:02 and I went in there and I think cuz I've
24:05 shopped in there, I think I knew they
24:08 kind of rated me like so I knew I could
24:10 give them and I knew that I knew I'd get
24:12 the job in it and I did. So I got that
24:15 job. That that was one of the that was
24:17 one and I only had it for a month in it
24:19 and then by the time I quit that job, my
24:21 mom made me leave the house again. But
24:23 or no, she gave me a bit of leeway what
24:25 she was doing cuz my brothers, my little
24:28 brothers were still going to school and
24:30 they leave the house at like 7:30 a.m.
24:33 Now I've got no job. Yeah. Or maybe this
24:35 was before I found a job. I can't
24:36 remember, but I just remember this is
24:38 how strict my mom was. I've got nothing
24:40 to do
24:43 the whole day. Whatever. I have to leave
24:45 my house and I've got no key. I have to
24:49 leave my house at 7:30 a.m. when they go
24:50 to school. Oh, cuz you couldn't sit in
24:51 the house.
24:53 Yeah, but I've got nowhere to go. So,
24:56 I've just have to like do whatever I'm
24:58 doing. I'll go to my bridge. I I'll go
24:59 to the mall and I'll just sleep in the
25:01 mall for a bit. Then by the time one of
25:03 my guys wake up,
25:05 I'll link them or I'll wake up my guy,
25:08 I'll just sleep on his floor. But
25:09 But
25:10 and then figure out what the day look like.
25:10 like.
25:12 Yeah. But like obviously them times
25:14 there, I wonder I probably wasn't rating
25:15 my mom that much for it. I was probably
25:17 thinking that's you. But it's it's all
25:19 good in it. It's all character building
25:21 and it's all for the right.
25:21 There you go.
25:23 She's got the right idea in it.
25:25 In 2014, you was calling yourself
25:27 Central C or you was Oakley at the time.
25:29 No, I was Central C.
25:30 Where did the name come from?
25:33 I think I see a interview. Yeah.
25:36 Of um Tiny Tempo saying how he got his
25:39 name in it
25:41 and it was something like just he just
25:43 made it up or something it but he said
25:45 like there was the alliteration like the
25:46 T sounded good together.
25:49 Yeah. And then I knew I had a next name
25:51 that I won't even put out there, but it
25:54 was something with my government last
25:57 name in it. My my surname is Caesar. So
25:59 I had like Caesar or something
26:01 something. That's all I must have been
26:03 like 12 or something cuz I was Central C
26:07 by 2014. But I just Yeah, I knew I
26:09 wanted it something C. So, I've just
26:10 gone in the dictionary and just put all
26:15 the uh words like capital C, central C,
26:17 something C, this this that and then I
26:19 think I asked my mom. I don't know if
26:21 she chose Central C, but I was maybe ask
26:22 one or two people.
26:24 She had no idea that this and then she
26:25 want to kick you out the crib and all
26:27 this type of She done gave you the
26:27 rap name.
26:28 It's mad, isn't it?
26:30 Come on, mom. Glad this all worked out.
26:32 Yeah, man. She is, too.
26:33 You guys You guys are great right now, right?
26:34 right?
26:36 She's with me now. She's She's She's on
26:38 tour with me, which is great. Oh, that's
26:39 beautiful. Good for you, man.
26:40 Yeah, man. We're good still.
26:41 That's a blessing, man.
26:44 Yeah. Biggest blessing still. Biggest
26:46 blessing. We're all here. Everyone's
26:48 here. My brothers are here. My brethrens
26:51 are here.
26:53 It's it's it's that's that's the main obviously
26:55 obviously
26:58 it's hard. It's It's like the shows are
27:01 great. Meeting the fans are cool, but
27:05 being able to like travel the world like
27:08 with man's people
27:11 like that's that's that's what's more. I
27:14 don't know which one's more surreal.
27:16 But probably even probably that they're
27:19 both surreal, in it, but that's that's I
27:22 feel that more. We're all here. We're
27:25 Yeah. all getting inspired and and
27:27 working still. There was times was just
27:29 sleeping on the floor.
27:32 That's a blessing, bro. It's a blessing.
27:34 That's it. It's a beautiful blessing.
27:37 It's healthy. And you know what I'm
27:39 saying? Like
27:41 you'll be able to put that magic in the
27:43 music. You'll be able to figure that out
27:46 and tell that story the right way where
27:49 it's, you know,
27:51 the fans will love you for it, man.
27:54 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
27:57 I look forward to it. Central C. Um,
27:58 man, it's been a pleasure talking to
28:02 you, bro. Uh, I really love meeting uh
28:05 dope artists who want to take care of
28:07 hip-hop. You know what I'm saying?
28:09 No, thank you, bro. And, um, yeah,
28:12 flowers to you as well still cuz
28:13 that's love.
28:15 Yeah. I said when I when I see you, I
28:16 said it feels like I've met met you
28:19 already cuz Yeah. Everyone's watched all
28:21 everything, all the legendary
28:22 interviews, everything.
28:24 Good or bad, right?
28:24 Yeah. Yeah,
28:27 the good and the bad. I get crazy
28:28 sometimes, bro.
28:30 Yeah, I know. I remember even I remember
28:31 even think like you know what's mad?
28:33 That's why that's how delusional I was
28:35 though before I even blew before he even
28:37 became successful in the thing. I'm
28:39 watching I'm thinking yeah, how am I
28:41 going to act when I'm on the radio of
28:43 Ero? I said I don't know if I even rate
28:44 him, you know, like he's moving a bit
28:46 too mad on certain things. I say no, I
28:48 like him. But like, yeah, I've thought
28:49 I've thought about all of this stuff. Yeah,
28:50 Yeah,
28:51 but it's good to meet you, man.
28:52 Listen, man. I just I just want you know
28:56 I have a uh I feel like I listen even
28:57 yourself but that's up to you to decide
29:00 how how you how you how you take the
29:01 challenge but
29:04 I think that we we have been given an
29:07 opportunity to make sure that this music
29:10 and this kind of art expression thing
29:12 that kids from the street you know what
29:13 I mean come from neighborhoods that
29:15 people ain't paying attention to get to
29:17 like tell their story and make a
29:19 gang of money and potentially change
29:22 their family's life. So I feel like when
29:23 people come along and they acting like
29:25 the is some throwaway I'm offended.
29:25 offended. Hey,
29:26 Hey,
29:29 Central C, you can't rush greatness,
29:31 which is a gem for everybody watching
29:33 this conversation because bro is taking
29:36 his time. He's putting great music
29:38 together. I want to play Don't Know anymore.
29:39 anymore.
29:42 And I want to play that uh cuz I feel
29:43 like you put that at the end of the
29:45 project for a purpose and a reason.
29:47 Do you rate me Mill?
29:48 Of course.
29:50 Yeah, I rate Me still. He he he told me
29:53 that if I see him that's how that's the
29:55 little things that make man like cool
29:58 like this is this is like a bit proud
30:01 like when I see him he's like the album
30:03 just dropped as well. He's like you know
30:04 like someone could say oh the album's
30:07 cold you know it's like how much do I
30:09 know that you listen to the album he's
30:10 like bro that don't know anymore.
30:11 Yeah man
30:12 he's like that don't know anymore. He's
30:14 like like I can't remember what he said
30:16 but he sound like you're saying you're
30:17 saying what like what we living or
30:19 something like said something I'm like
30:21 yeah love bro like so yeah that's an
30:22 important song still
30:24 um how hard you talked about limitless
30:27 being tough to record like the the
30:30 finding the pain and finding the
30:32 similarly on this song you had to dig
30:35 for this. Yeah.
30:37 So much to like we had to change some
30:40 lyrics, change one, two lyrics.
30:43 Some feelings might have hurt,
30:45 but Yeah. No, you're right still. Yeah.
30:46 If if it was cool though to write
30:49 writing it was cool. I I recorded it in
30:52 a studio. I think it's so emotionally
30:53 emotionally
30:56 like revoke. It's so emotional. Revoking
30:58 so much emotion. Like I didn't even
31:00 bother re-recording it. I think I should
31:02 have cuz the recording wasn't that great
31:04 and even my voice wasn't that great.
31:06 I think that Well, I think that gives it
31:08 It's the real emotion. Like if I went to
31:10 go and re-record it, it would not have
31:11 been the same in it.
31:13 The imperfections are always what makes
31:15 the magic in my opinion.
31:17 No, I hear you. I hear that as well
31:19 still. I've been recording on my phone
31:21 recently and I I like how it sounds like
31:24 that. Yeah, man. The flaws are good
31:26 still. Keep the flaws. Do you rate Sexy Red?
31:27 Red?
31:30 Of course. Of course. One thing I know
31:32 about Sexy Red is she's funny as
31:38 and she's she's she's better than people
31:39 give her credit for.
31:41 Like there's a there's a like I saw her
31:43 perform and I was like, "Oh,
31:45 when I had like I I liked her off Pound
31:47 Town cuz I was it sound like a
31:48 freestyle. I was like, "Oh, no. This is
31:50 fire." And then she kind of kept
31:51 doubling down on that and I was like,
31:54 "Where's this going?" Then I saw her
31:55 live and I was like,
31:57 "Why? But what what made you think that
31:58 when she was live?
32:00 The care that she put into the live show.
32:00 show. M
32:01 M
32:03 that made that showed me, oh, this isn't
32:04 by accident.
32:05 Was it her show or
32:07 No, it was her It was her show.
32:08 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
32:10 Uh we booked her out here for a summer
32:13 jam in New York and I saw just the whole series.
32:14 series.
32:15 She's the coldest. Yeah.
32:15 Yeah.
32:18 Even I see her in Live like in Miami. M
32:20 it's not a show but she's just doing
32:22 free songs but like the way she had it
32:25 like she had all her brethrens there
32:28 like it reminded me of me but all of
32:30 that I know it's fought through for her
32:31 or maybe it's even not and that makes it
32:34 even cooler but either way either way it's
32:34 it's
32:35 well there's certain things that I feel
32:36 like she thinks through and then there's
32:37 certain where she's just it's lifestyle
32:38 lifestyle
32:40 how she's living it's how she's living
32:42 it's how she's talking it's her
32:44 she's giving you her
32:46 um and it's not contrived I guess is
32:48 what I'm saying it's not like a madeup
32:50 persona. That's really that person
32:52 who knows who she is and is comfortable
32:53 with who she is.
32:56 And even with the collabs, like even her
32:58 collabing with you, uh even some of, you
33:01 know, the Bruno Mars of the world or,
33:02 you know, I heard a song with her in a
33:04 country artist, like the fact that she's
33:07 moving around in all these spaces, um I
33:10 think is is dope. Um and then, you know,
33:12 like I said earlier, I'm patient. I want
33:14 to see how where where artists take this
33:16 as they mature in the public eye
33:17 and as they mature as human beings,
33:19 right? Cuz where she started, where she
33:22 come from, she's been able to see the
33:23 world and I would love to see that how
33:26 that forms her artistry.
33:28 She's rare. She's rare still. I like her
33:29 a lot.
33:31 Well, how did you guys connect for this collaboration?
33:32 collaboration?
33:34 Can't lie. Big up Drake cuz on the Drake
33:37 tour as well. Just met Well, I met
33:39 That's how I met her in it. That's where
33:43 we made the link and then
33:45 I just sent her the song. I had the
33:48 song. Sent her song and then Yeah. rest.
33:49 Rest was it.
33:50 That it. Yeah.
33:52 Yeah.
33:55 But yeah, Drake connected a good few
33:57 dots, so thanks to him.
34:01 Um, what you've collabed with Ashake,
34:03 you got little the little baby also, uh,
34:05 Young Ads. Yeah.
34:05 Yeah.
34:07 Um, and you also bring them out on your
34:09 on your show, too, right?
34:10 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We brought everyone
34:12 out of the O2 and it I felt a bit bad
34:15 for everyone on the rest of the for the
34:18 rest of the Europe tour.
34:20 We didn't bring anyone that I had
34:22 collabed out with if I remember
34:24 correctly. But then O2 I just brought
34:26 out all the wild cards in it. It was
34:29 last minute though in my in my fa in in
34:31 if it makes it sound any better. Wasn't
34:34 planning to just spoil London and
34:35 disregard everywhere else. It was just
34:37 last minute. I realized
34:39 in London is hometown though, so it's a
34:40 little it's different.
34:42 Yeah. I just realized Wait, hold
34:44 on. I'm doing the O2. It can't just be
34:45 me. Hold on. Let me just pick up the
34:47 phone and just start calling everyone.
34:48 So yeah.
34:50 Are you uh you you you do a lot of that
34:52 work yourself connecting with people.
34:55 Yeah, I try to do it all in it.
34:57 I tried. It can only I think it should
34:58 only be me.
35:00 If it's anybody else,
35:02 just forget it, man. It's not Yeah,
35:03 Yeah,
35:05 it's not real. Like it feels fake. If
35:08 you got management reaching out,
35:09 there's some people that I'd be fake for though.
35:11 though.
35:13 Some people I need a feature. I don't by
35:16 any means.
35:18 But no, I'm joking. But yeah, maybe
35:20 actually though like Adele, I don't know
35:21 how I'm going to shout her, but
35:23 but it's going to happen. Yo, Adele's
35:24 cool as You met her?
35:26 I see her. No, I haven't met her like that.
35:26 that.
35:28 Cool as bro.
35:30 Yeah, I can imagine still. She's never
35:32 done a feature in her life, you know?
35:33 Not one feature.
35:34 I didn't even think about that.
35:35 From the beginning of her career. Do you
35:37 know how much integrity that must have
35:39 took for her? Like imagine how many
35:43 people was hitting her that were her
35:44 idols and she's just saying nah I'm all
35:47 right you know I don't even I'm not
35:49 doing features however she's doing it
35:51 but she just stayed she's just done her
35:54 own thing whole time which is mad so I
35:55 don't think she's going to do one with
35:56 me but
35:58 I just sample her chop that up make
36:00 that a drill beat and then run over
36:02 yeah something I'll take anything
36:03 I'll tell you anything
36:03 why not
36:05 she could send me a voice note I just
36:08 put her voice like that
36:10 As it says, his debut studio album,
36:12 Can't Rush Greatness, became his second
36:15 number one on the UK album chart. It
36:17 also debuted at number nine on the
36:19 Billboard 200, becoming the first top 10
36:22 UK rap album in America. Yeah.
36:23 Yeah.
36:24 You heard that before?
36:28 Yeah. Sounds good, isn't it?
36:33 he's the one who sets them kind of
36:35 goals. And it's good cuz I I won't set
36:38 them goals in it. But you need to at the
36:40 same time like think about some of these
36:43 stuff. So that's that's
36:45 I'm happy for him that we done that in
36:49 it. I'm glad that we done that. Um
36:51 but yeah, obviously it's it's good though.
36:52 though.
36:54 But now the next one drops and the next
36:56 one drops. Yeah.
36:56 Yeah.
36:57 That's the part where it's good. It's
36:59 good that you're in the mindset that
37:01 you're in,
37:02 right? Because you don't want to chase
37:04 charts, bro.
37:05 You don't want that.
37:07 No, you don't. But yeah, you don't want
37:07 to, but you
37:09 but you want to make quality that
37:10 you have to as well though. I understand
37:13 that you have to nowadays kind of like
37:14 obviously perception is everything is in
37:17 it. So you got to take that into you got
37:19 to keep that in the front of your mind
37:22 all the time still.
37:24 All it takes is one two something
37:26 numbers to drop on whatever it is and
37:27 then Yeah.
37:30 There you go. His name is Central C.
37:32 Man, thank you for your time today.
37:34 Thank you so much. Keep going, man. I
37:35 hope to see you again.
37:35 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
37:37 You know what I'm saying? Are we Is there
37:38 there
37:41 like how do you with an album with how
37:42 do you
37:44 how are you thinking about like the next
37:46 like is your brain even there? Yeah.
37:47 Yeah.
37:48 You thinking about a next project?
37:50 I was already thinking what we obviously
37:51 thinking kind of like what we going to
37:55 do before we even drop the the project.
37:57 But I don't know. There's so many ways
38:01 we can take it and um that's yeah this
38:03 up for it's up for debate in our in our
38:05 head. It's all in the air. We don't
38:07 know. We never really know in it. Either
38:10 way, we always keep the options open.
38:11 Might try something. Don't really work.
38:13 Just go all the way left. I don't know.
38:15 But we're going to do something. I hope. Yeah.
38:16 Yeah.
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