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Will pill testing at music festivals save lives?
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one pull SSE that's damaging and and
it's damaging from that that's mold one
glass of wine is damaging they've
actually say any level of alcohol is
damaging for you I have used drugs
before I think a lot of young people
have as part of you know experimenting
transitioning I just really got
interested in why it's so stigmatized
drug use and also people who not only
use drugs people have problems with
drugs I would agree with that in terms
of the humanist sort of thing I've
worked I don't know I guess in the
clothing industry within the warehouse
would have seen for a long time and so
I've seen people of all walks of life
consume drugs
I have tried drugs in the past as well I
think it's important to test pills
because at the end of the day people are
gonna do it whether we like it or not
and so if there's a way that we can sort
of even educate them about what's inside
the things that they're taking that can
actually deter people from taking it my
experience with drugs unfortunately has
been to see a close family member really
ravaged by that and how addiction can
really impact all the people in a really
profound ways I've though drawn people
who've done drugs recreationally people
have been addicted to drugs and I've
seen how as he has how drugs can really
destroy people's lives if we had a kind
of a different sort of public health
issue we would respond to it appropriately
appropriately
we wouldn't condemn and judge people for
like you know if they're being affected
by it so I think that's what pill
testing is at the end of the day it's a
health response to a reality
Australian ecstasy pills ranked one of
the highest in the world for dangerous
ingredients so this year 2018 they
conducted the first pill testing in
Australia at groove in the Moon Festival
and they found two samples had NFL pent
alone within them its clunky work but I
got it out and that is lethal that can
actually kill you and I think that in
itself even demonstrates the importance
of pill testing one thing to consider is
that takes up to a week of lab testing
to show that a drug is 100% free of
lethal toxins which means that pill
testing on-site will never be 100% safe
they run against the database the
different drugs they have on slightly
really tested and there are lots of new
drugs in the market and Melbourne is a a
new drunk em bomb was something that
killed a few people and they wouldn't be
able to test for that because it's based
on a database where you have in there's
a 20% margin of error which means that
if you test a pill there's a 20% chance
said that's lethal and that person dies
for drugs that we can't test we know
that there's something there it's not
that we don't know what's in the drug or
that we just miss it
and then we hand someone back a
dangerous drug and go we don't know what
it is we identify a spectra for
something that's unknown and then we go
okay we don't know what's in your drug
won't you know when we go to give the
results of the person or the individual
so we're telling you we don't know
what's in your drugs yet which should
really concern someone taking the drug
as someone who was in the 10th on the
day of trial we had an infrared
spectroscopy machine and it's held it
told you not only what was in the drug
and if it was an unknown chemical it
would flag I'm known chemical but it
would tell you give you scores for the
error for that well probably 20% as you
said I'm not saying that the technology
is perfect nothing's perfect for nothing
comes with with with liability right so
if the government min says this is why
the Netherlands has has moved off to
off-site pill testing where they have
you know certain facilities we can go to
exercise fixed sites we retest it and
the reason for that is because on-site
testing you if you had a big concert
yeah and this goes mainstream and you
got people bringing drugs into concert
you're going to have to be doing those
tests now with within a short period to
do that in Austria so they have a
service that the biggest pill testing
service in Austria called check it they
actually have a separate room where they
get everyone to come in who wants the
drugs tested the test itself takes five
minutes so they send the samples
straight away to a nearby facility which
there's a fixed site which has lab grade
equipment which has the infrared
spectroscopy machine this machine then
tests all those samples and the samples
are all coded with the person who's
brought them to the tester and those
samples are tested within minutes and
then they're taken immediately back to
the live event where they're posted
honorable that's five minutes that's
that's that's with all within about 15
minutes because they only takes minutes
to test and then minutes to take them back
back
you have on-site pill testing the
government supports them back set and
signs it alert you and this is now a
government agency policing on-site okay
you have them testing pills you have
twenty percent margin of error they say
to someone your pill never the tab
margin or maybe not okay they do this on
the pill back and that person then dies
okay isn't the margin of error so much
greater now because we don't know what's
in it and people have died exactly which
is legis years and you use hand it back
you say this is relatively a good old
battery maybe what's done we never tell
people that a drug is safe to use all
right so on the day of the test of this
of the trial if they had a test and it
came back as you know something toxic
like a PMA and ethyl pencil own we never
say you know oh this drug is is
dangerous you shouldn't use it if it
comes back as MDMA we don't say this
drug is relatively safe you should use
it we never never tell them what to do
all we're doing is giving them as much
information as they can so they can then
make that decision and really to put it
bluntly that's where the liability stops
for us like we tell them all the info
that we have and then they have to make
that decision one of my concerns and I
think it's like we need to acknowledge
is that people may well feel that if
they are able to have their drug tested
and they're able to get a known
concentration and check that it's free
of contaminants these people may choose
to take a drug that they otherwise would
not have and I guess what really brings
me there is I've seen a close family
member fall into dependency with ice
he's a completely different person it
seems like a lot of the person that I
know is gone
in a way and it's it's extremely sad to
see them become almost like a shell
of the person that they once were and I
know ice isn't necessarily something we
consider a party drug but at the groove
in the movie festival we saw people take
ketamine to get tested and we saw the
cocaine people thought they had cocaine
that was getting tested so we know that
people are utilizing these services to
test for these drugs and if we are in
any way enabling that by implementing
this service that's a risk that I think
we need to you know acknowledge and
discuss and work out how we minimize
your acts absolutely right there is that
subset of people who have these drugs
and yet there are propensity for
addiction there there was also a survey
done the 2018 global drug survey they
found that 20% of the people that got
their pills tested actually changed the
way that they had consumed drugs so it
is a way of educating people which might
make them not take things in future or
throughout what they've had once they've
had it tested
there was a batch of pills that was
circulating around several northern
European countries including the UK and
the Netherlands when they were tested in
the Netherlands and came back as
containing PMA which as we know is this
really harmful chemical the Netherlands
pill Testing Service was able to
actually broadcast not only warnings
within like live music events but
televised warnings they had widespread
campaign be aware of this particular
batch of pills in the UK they were only
able to post the warning about it on
their Facebook page that day because
they didn't have funding and resourcing
to be able to you know create a
widespread warning campaign and four
people died in the UK from ingesting the
same batch of pills whereas no one died
in the Netherlands from it you're still
expecting people into the society to pay
for someone else's choices what do we
talk about the exact numbers how much
did it cost us a group in the motor cost
was 34,000 dollars right if you look at
$34,000 how many people do we stop
taking in methyl Penta Lane - okay so
you're telling me $34,000 if you look at
what we pay in health you know those two
individuals that potentially took a
lethal dose by far in a way that was cost-effective
cost-effective
I think fear-mongering is a good thing
in the sense that fear mongering
prevents really quick if you create a
culture of you know drugs are really bad
don't do it people are inclined to be
more scared of it right it creates a
culture and a stigma of negativity
around drugs and it prevents people from
ever trying to engage with it I think
when people are afraid especially went
around things like drug dogs they're
more likely to actually ingest
everything that they have which can lead
to overdose as well I do understand the
fact that you know pills I like to see
that it's illegal but if we can put like
I don't know
we have stipulations around responsible
service of alcohol we have marshals and
they're pure job is to make sure the
people are getting to cooks on a night
out surely we can have the same sort of
understanding with pills and we can test
them and we can inform people of the
dangers I'd be inclined to support off
cycle testing Anonymous off psycho says
he not on cycle testings that's really
inaccurate with the no-tolerance policy
outside of that because I think we
should be focusing on drug users as
victims of drugs not as no criminals in
which we criminalize no sin dealing and
of course and that way you can still
have what I think is good negative
stigma and fear monger on drugs we also
have those people that countries amnesty
sites you know have all the health
issues sorted or whether we target the
drug dealers then you get rid of them so
I think that's the slight change in my
opinion a small concession I shall make
but even then they're just sorry not to
cut but even with drug dealers so right
it's like again it's like the big fish
in the little fish we shouldn't be going
for the people that are just out on the
streets telling like a little bit cuz
they're not the problem it's the big
dogs they're a part of it I know
unfortunately I think the way that
particularly drugs that are easy to
manufacture such as such as is part of
the problem is that homegrown chemists
are able to make this stuff themselves
and so it's straight to this tree and
that's part of why it's so problematic
there doesn't have to be a huge chain I
know someone who grows marijuana right
like and so sometimes sometimes the
small fissures like where it stops
before I was a bit reluctant about hard
drugs but I since doing a lot of
research about pill testing I've
understood that there's a lot of benefit
in testing everything not just
recreational drugs because we can
educate everybody through this sort of
information yeah so that's probably when
I when I first heard of pill testing I
was like that sounds bad
yeah but the more I looked into it and
the more I thought about it the more it
it seems that it's something we should implement
implement [Applause]
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