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0:11 day. Well, my man, what's happening?
0:14 Pleasure. No, please. My pleasure. Thank
0:16 you for having me here. Pleasure. My
0:18 honor. I'm uh I'm very excited about
0:20 this new thing you're doing. I'm very
0:22 excited about your journey into the
0:24 lightweight division.
0:26 Something that I feel very excited also
0:28 about that. What are you walking around
0:30 at? Like what do you walk around at when
0:31 you were fighting at 45? I'm I'm going
0:34 to tell you in kilos. Okay. I walk
0:36 around 80 82.
0:39 What is that Jamie? Like 16 170 75 175
0:43 180 180 most. Okay. So you were losing
0:46 quite a bit of weight. 35 lbs. 25 30
0:48 lbs. Like yeah, that's a lot hard. That
0:51 was the hardest part of my training of
0:53 the fight game for me. I wasn't enjoying
0:56 at all the last couple of fights that
0:58 that I had because it's
1:00 like I had to become more professional
1:03 on the way cut than in a fight game, you
1:05 know, and it was taking a lot of time
1:07 and energy from me and I'm like my dream
1:10 is to to become a world champion. I want
1:12 to end up this this chapter that I have
1:14 that I started in 145 and now it's time
1:17 to to really enjoy it and I'm very
1:19 excited about that. I already have one
1:22 fight in 155. J Herbert. Jai Herbert.
1:25 Yeah. I really wish the UFC would
1:28 eliminate weight cutting. I really wish
1:29 there was a way. Why does to do that? I
1:33 don't. It's sanctioned cheating that
1:34 everybody has to do. It's like you're,
1:37 you know, I mean, if you're saying
1:38 you're 180 pounds, you're not really
1:40 145, right? So, it's crazy that you're
1:42 the 145 pound champion, but you're 180
1:44 pound man. It's kind of nuts. Yeah. But
1:47 but at the same time if you go to the
1:49 next weight class you are playing with a
1:51 disadvantage because the guy in the next
1:54 division is cutting a lot of weight.
1:55 Mhm. So if you don't do that at the end
1:58 of the day you walk inside the octagon
2:00 and you are the smaller guy. Yeah. Like
2:01 Islam Islam Akachev is huge. I mean that
2:04 guy how he makes 155 is I don't
2:08 understand it. Every time I stand next
2:09 to him I'm like how are you 155? How
2:11 much do you think he he walks around?
2:13 He's got to be 190ish in the 190 range.
2:16 He's got to be. That's what he looks
2:17 like to me. I never saw home in a
2:19 person. Yeah, he's thick. He's thick and
2:21 big. I mean, he's he's not a small He's
2:24 not 155B man. It's just so silly. The
2:27 whole thing is just it's it's an it's an
2:30 old thing that we kept for no reason.
2:34 And I feel like they should blow all the
2:36 weight classes. I've talked to Dana
2:38 about this. I actually talked to Ari
2:39 Emanuel about this when they first
2:41 bought the UFC. I said, "The first thing
2:42 you should do is get rid of this. get
2:44 rid of the weight cutting and just add a
2:46 bunch of weight classes, you know,
2:47 because some of the weight class gaps,
2:49 like the gap between 70 and 85 and then
2:52 85 and 205, they're too big. The gaps
2:55 are too big. 20 pounds nuts. I would do
2:57 something with the with the drug test.
2:59 Like if I go to your home to to to make
3:01 the drug test, I put you in in in the
3:03 scale. If you walk around like 8% or 10%
3:06 over your weight, I would obligate you
3:09 to go in the in the in the next weight
3:12 class. Just to give you an example, for
3:14 example, if you're fighting a 100
3:16 kilograms, I'm gonna say in kilograms,
3:18 and I go to your house, I do the the
3:20 drug test, I put you in the scale, and
3:22 you weigh this 110 kilograms, I would
3:26 force you to go to the next weight
3:28 class. Yeah, I think that's realistic.
3:30 That makes sense. And I think that they
3:32 should have more weight classes cuz the
3:34 weight class gaps are just too large.
3:36 Oh, maybe that's an option also. Yeah, I
3:38 mean at the lower weight classes it's 10
3:41 lbs which seems reasonable but really at
3:44 the lower weight classes, you know, when
3:46 you look at like 125 and 135, it could
3:48 easily be 5 lbs. 5 lbs is reasonable,
3:51 but Dana doesn't want like 12 weight
3:54 classes or 12 15 20 weight classes like
3:57 boxing has. He wants it to be like the
3:59 UFC has now, but it's not enough. I
4:02 don't really know the real reason behind
4:04 that, but I would love to talk to Dana
4:06 and ask him this these questions also
4:08 because it's kind of dangerous also for
4:11 the guys and many times you put on a
4:14 show for the people and you don't really
4:16 know if they going to make the weight
4:18 right. Exactly. And they're going to be
4:20 compromised. I mean, there's a lot of
4:22 guys who fight just deeply dehydrated
4:24 from the day before and even though
4:26 they've rehydrated themselves, their
4:28 brain's not rehydrated yet. Exactly.
4:30 It's not smart and it it's not it's also
4:33 not necessary. Like why would you It
4:35 would make for better fights. Why would
4:37 you want someone to be physically
4:38 compromised 24 hours before they're
4:41 fighting? It doesn't make any sense at
4:42 all. But at the same time, the way cut
4:45 takes something out from you. That's
4:48 crazy. It's like putting a dog inside
4:50 the room for 20 days without any food
4:52 and you open the door and you put him in
4:56 a different room with full of food. It's
4:59 like the same thing, you know, when I'm
5:00 cutting the weight, I'm like I'm a
5:02 different person. I I feel that I'm like
5:05 my mind goes different. My thought
5:07 process is different. Everything is so
5:09 different at at that moment. I'm not so
5:12 kind when I'm cutting weight. Yeah. More
5:15 focused, dialed in. Exactly. Dominic
5:18 Cruz says it's a good thing. He says uh
5:21 he likes weight cutting because it gets
5:22 you dialed in. He says it gets you
5:24 completely dialed in for a fight. How
5:26 much he cuts? I don't think he cuts that
5:28 much 35. That's why he likes it.
5:32 Ask Alex Pereira if he likes it, you
5:35 know, cuz when he was fighting at 85, he
5:36 was weighing in at 85 and then fighting
5:39 in the sk in the cage at 225 226, which
5:43 is crazy. I don't know how how that guy
5:45 was making 185. That's crazy because
5:48 he's huge and he's so tall. Well, how
5:50 about Drius Duplo? How the [ __ ] is he
5:53 185? That guy's huge. Yeah, that's huge.
5:56 Also, there's a lot of these guys like,
5:58 but it's it's very deceptive because the
6:01 general public thinks that's a 185 pound
6:04 man, but he's not. Drius is probably
6:06 when he gets into the cage, he's well
6:08 into the 220s. He's a big guy. I don't
6:11 know in what way he he walks around, but
6:14 he's huge guy also. And comes when he
6:16 was fighting in 170. Yeah, he was big
6:19 also. He was almost killing himself
6:22 making the weight was Anthony Rumble
6:24 Johnson. Do you remember Anthony? Yeah.
6:26 Yeah. Yeah. Anthony, I ran into him once
6:28 in between fights. And I said, "How much
6:31 do you weigh?" He said, "230." Wow. He
6:34 was fighting 170. He He switched How
6:37 many weight classes? He started from
6:39 170. He went to like light like heavy
6:41 weight and then he end up fighting in in
6:43 the heavyweight division, right? He went
6:44 to middleweight and didn't make weight.
6:46 He missed weight and lost that fight and
6:49 then he fought heavyweight outside the
6:51 UFC and then came back and fought light
6:53 heavyweight in the UFC. You know,
6:55 something similar happened to me also. I
6:58 started fighting in the bantamweight
6:59 division. Really? Yeah. Before the UFC
7:03 like in cage warriors when I was
7:05 fighting in the cage warriors I actually
7:06 missed the weight also when I was was
7:08 fighting for the belt. I was I I was
7:11 fighting at that time in the
7:12 banterweight division. Then I I kept
7:15 fighting in in the featherweight and now
7:17 I'm in the lightweight. I hope I I don't
7:19 end up fighting in the welterweight.
7:22 How old were you when you first started
7:24 fighting
7:26 in MMA? You asking? Or or in Well, all
7:28 when did you first start martial arts
7:31 with four years old? My my dad put me
7:34 with my brother in in
7:36 judo. Then we went to Georgia. We kept
7:40 practicing with the Gra the Garmon
7:43 wrestling and then we moved to Spain
7:46 when I was 15 years old and completely
7:49 by chance we find the gym and we started
7:52 training the the MMA, the mixed martial
7:54 arts. Totally by chance. Totally by
7:56 chance. Wow. So, were you a mixed
7:59 martial arts fan at all? I didn't know
8:01 anything about the mixed martial arts. I
8:03 didn't know anything anything about the
8:04 BJJ, the ground game, any [ __ ] thing.
8:07 Wow. So we went to to Spain and we
8:10 wanted to keep with the same discipline
8:13 as we we were doing in Georgia with the
8:15 Groman wrestling but they don't have the
8:16 culture of of that sport. So we were a
8:21 little bit sad you know because we
8:23 wanted that sport. My brother was really
8:25 really good on that. So my mom was uh
8:30 working and he saw a man with the
8:32 cauliflower ears. He went to she went to
8:36 to him and she asked him like what you
8:39 doing because my kids want to to do
8:42 wrestling. Do you train in in some gym
8:44 or or something and he said no I'm doing
8:46 the BJJ bring your kids and I'm going to
8:49 I'm going to show you the gym. She came
8:51 to home and my dad and and my mom and
8:54 they started to convince us like there's
8:57 a gym they are practicing like
8:59 jujitsu MMA all the sports and um I was
9:03 like but what the [ __ ] is this? I don't
9:05 know what's this. And my dad start
9:07 started to show me the videos of the
9:10 Gracies. He he he told me like this one
9:13 of the best sports in the world right
9:15 now. You are going to guys love it this
9:17 and that. And at that day, we went to
9:19 the gym and I fell in love since the
9:21 first second. Well, it's actually a
9:23 great base to start out from. Starting
9:24 with judo and then greor roaming
9:26 wrestling and then going into jiu-jitsu.
9:28 It's really great because you already
9:29 have an established grappling base. It's
9:33 great. Of course, my recommendation for
9:36 everyone is if you want to have a career
9:38 in in in MMA, you should start with
9:41 wrestling because for me personally,
9:43 because this is my personal experience
9:46 that it's much easier to learn in the
9:50 future boxing than start with boxing and
9:53 learn the wrestling. Really? For me,
9:55 yes, I think so. And I saw that in in in
9:57 many people. But how old were you when
10:00 you first started boxing?
10:03 17 years old. That's fairly old. Like
10:06 when you think about how high level your
10:08 striking is. Of course it is. Yeah. But
10:10 when I started I was like, okay, I'm
10:13 very good with the wrestling. I can take
10:16 people down. I can control them. I have
10:18 a great ground game. But what if I go to
10:22 the highest competition and I I find
10:25 some some adversities. I have to be able
10:27 to fight in the in in in the striking
10:28 also. So I have to de develop my game in
10:31 the striking and I start from from from
10:34 that and I start with my brother. We
10:36 were like the the first people to go
10:38 inside the gym and the last ones to live
10:39 it. So we were studying every day all
10:42 day like so obsessed. We were watching
10:44 like all the videos of Julio Chavez of
10:47 Canelo all that practicing all the
10:50 techniques and then
10:52 putting in interaction the sparrings and
10:55 all that and I was like finding my
10:57 style. what that that I really like to
11:00 do. Well, it's interesting because Spain
11:02 doesn't have a long history of mixed
11:05 martial arts. Mhm. So, like you are the
11:08 first champion from Spain in the UFC.
11:11 So, it's it's very interesting that you
11:14 you got in there as a young man and
11:16 there wasn't really like a big
11:18 established community yet. So, I was the
11:21 first guy to to get into the top 15, the
11:24 top 10, the top five, and then the the
11:26 world champion. We we had a guy in in
11:29 Spain who fought in in in the UFC. I
11:33 don't know if you remember him. Enrique
11:35 Wasabi. Okay. He did the Ultimate
11:37 Fighter. Then we have another guy also
11:40 Joel Alvarez. He's doing a great job
11:42 also. But before that, we didn't have
11:44 anyone in the UFC. So when you first
11:47 started training, were there amateur
11:49 competitions in Spain? Yeah, there was
11:51 amateur MMA and I made three fights in
11:55 amateur and then I started with a
11:57 professional game. I did four fights in
12:00 Spain and at some point it was so
12:03 difficult to find a fight for me that I
12:06 had to start to travel in the European
12:09 territory to to to get a fight. Yeah.
12:12 And everything started from that. But
12:14 it's fascinating because a lot of world
12:16 champions generally well there's a good
12:19 percentage of them come from an
12:20 established gym that already has elite
12:23 highle competition but it seems like
12:25 that's not the case with your gym. No it
12:27 wasn't.
12:29 So I don't know I don't know what was
12:30 the reason to be honest to to came this
12:34 far. I don't know. Well that's always
12:35 the question with champions like are
12:37 champions born or are they bred? Because
12:40 there's there's gyms that develop like
12:42 Marvin Haggler came out of the
12:44 Petronelli brothers gym in Brockton,
12:46 Massachusetts. They're not known for
12:48 world championship fighters, but Marvin
12:49 Haggler is one of the greatest of all
12:51 time. It's like there was something
12:53 inside of him that made him excel. The
12:56 same thing. There was something inside
12:58 me
13:01 that made me the person who I am today.
13:04 Did you know when you first started
13:06 training, when you first started doing
13:07 MMA, that you were going to fight
13:08 professionally? Yeah, since the first
13:10 day. So my mindset always was the the
13:13 same exactly the same as I have right
13:15 now. I'm like if someone did it, I also
13:19 can do it and if no one did it, I can be
13:22 the first one to do it.
13:24 This is the mindset I I I always had and
13:27 it's
13:28 like yeah that I think that the champion
13:32 are they are not born they are made also
13:35 because you can burn in a extraordinary
13:38 uh situation but you can end
13:41 up so bad you know and the opposite also
13:45 you can burn in a I don't know crazy
13:48 situation and end up in a paradise.
13:51 Yeah, it's it's such an interesting
13:53 thing because they all champions are not
13:55 the same type of person either. You
13:57 know, you got guys like Sugar Sean Ali
13:59 who's silly and smokes weed and has
14:02 crazy hair. And then you got guys like
14:04 Alex Pereira, very stoic, you know, very
14:07 serious. It's everyone's different. He's
14:09 very serious. I met him in in in in
14:12 Sydney. I went with my bride because he
14:14 made his UFC debut and yeah, he was kind
14:18 of quiet like Yeah, he's intense. Yeah,
14:22 he's so serious. Yeah, he's intense. I
14:25 remember watching him fight for the
14:26 first time in glory in kickboxing and I
14:28 was like, Jesus Christ, I just watched
14:31 the way he kos people. I was like, this
14:32 guy is different. Huge, great. Crazy
14:36 power. His power is just ridiculous. I
14:39 mean, like hit guys with Who do you love
14:41 watching fight? I love watching you
14:42 fight. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a Giant fan. Um I
14:45 like all styles, man. I'm fascinated by
14:48 the the game in all different styles. I
14:52 mean, I I like watching all the
14:54 champions. I mean, I love watching Morab
14:57 fight. Wow. He's a [ __ ] animal. He's
15:00 the machine. I love him. He's an animal.
15:02 I mean, I just don't understand that
15:04 cardio. His cardio is [ __ ] crazy.
15:07 It's like superhuman cardio. And I'm
15:09 going to tell you something about Morab
15:12 that surprised me that maybe you see him
15:15 in the mat and he's not the most special
15:18 guy, the most skillful guy in the room,
15:21 but I don't know what happens to him
15:23 when he gets inside that
15:26 octagon. Wow. That man is a [ __ ]
15:29 machine. He's a [ __ ] machine. I'm I'm
15:31 a right now. You ask me who I love to to
15:35 watch fight. That's my rap. I would pay
15:38 take my money when he's fighting in the
15:40 pay-per-view right now at this. I'm
15:42 like, bro, take my money. I love Umar,
15:44 too. Umar, you know, that fight was
15:46 incredible. That was one of the best
15:49 fights I've ever seen because they're so
15:51 skillful, so high level. And, you know,
15:54 to see him make Umar start to wilt, to
15:57 see Umar like you see the wobble when
15:59 guys start getting fatigued. You see
16:01 this like a little bit of like loose
16:03 movement in the way, you know, you see
16:04 that. Morab had none. Zero. just
16:07 shooting like like he was in the first
16:09 round in the fifth round because this is
16:11 what I exactly think that happens to
16:12 Omar because you see uh Morav from
16:16 outside like you are sitting and you you
16:18 are seeing him training or fighting and
16:20 you're like he's not going to be able to
16:22 take me down he's not going to be able
16:23 to do that to me and then you get inside
16:26 the doctor with him and everything
16:28 changes. Yeah. It's like you have a a
16:31 machine in front of you who has like
16:33 non-stop. Daniel Cormier went to visit
16:36 him right after he won the title. Dam
16:38 Daniel Cormier went to his house on
16:40 Sunday. Yeah. Morab wasn't home. He was
16:41 out running. Yeah. He won the title on
16:44 Saturday. Daniel went to his house on
16:45 Sunday. Morab's out running. Wow. He's
16:47 crazy. He He came He came to Spain also
16:50 to help me once when I had the training
16:52 come. I was supposed to fight with
16:53 Moser. He came to to to help me. Crazy.
16:56 We the same exact exact team. We we were
16:59 like finishing the training. He was
17:01 going for a run. He was going like
17:04 actually to to his house running. Yeah.
17:06 There's no shortcuts. No, there's no
17:08 shortcuts. No shortcuts. No shortcuts.
17:10 But, you know, like to answer your
17:11 question, I'm you know, I'm fascinated
17:14 by all the different styles. You know, I
17:15 I like watching everybody fight. You
17:17 know, I love Vulcanowski. You know, I
17:19 love watching him fight this past
17:20 weekend. And he's so great. He I was so
17:25 happy for him this this Saturday because
17:27 he really deserve deserve it to get the
17:29 that title back. Does it bother you to
17:32 see someone win your title? No, not
17:35 that. You good? I'm good. Like I'm good.
17:37 I'm good. Happy for him. You established
17:39 you won. You defended. I won. I
17:41 defended. Right now I have completely
17:43 different challenge in front of me. I
17:45 wish him nothing but the best. And to
17:47 everyone like I wish the best wins all
17:49 the time. That's great. Yeah. I don't
17:51 care. What about Patty Pimpblelet
17:52 though?
17:54 He He did a great job. He did a great
17:56 job. He did what he had to do. He did.
17:59 But for me, it's like I'm I'm going to
18:02 be completely honest with you. For me,
18:04 Chandler, he never was
18:06 a extraordinary fighter. He was like
18:09 average level of fighter
18:12 like who did he beat like in the UFC?
18:15 Dan Hooker and Tony Ferguson. Oh, Dan
18:18 Hooker. Yeah,
18:20 Dan Hooker is a good fighter. He just he
18:23 caught well Dan Hooker had that war with
18:25 Dustin Porier that and Dustin Porier is
18:27 a very good fighter. How many losses he
18:29 has? He's got a few losses. Yeah, he's a
18:31 good fighter. Very entertaining fighter
18:33 like for the fans. He's a wild dog.
18:35 Yeah, he's a dog. He he he goes inside
18:38 that that that octagon and he fights.
18:42 But yeah, I think he's on a resurgence.
18:45 I think, you know, he had a skid for a
18:47 while and now he's rebuilding himself
18:48 and he's on a He's smiling. Look at you,
18:51 [ __ ]
18:54 So, he beat Dan Hooker and Tony Ferguson
18:57 when he was like almost four years old.
18:59 I think honestly we got Michael Chandler
19:01 after his prime. Um, if you go watch
19:04 Michael Chandler fight Eddie Alvarez and
19:05 Bellator, those were [ __ ] crazy
19:08 fights. Crazy fights. Yeah, but at the
19:10 end of the day, you see wars. It's a
19:12 very competitive fight. Yes. You see
19:15 almost a bar fight. You see two guys in
19:17 the middle of the octagon exchanging
19:20 punches, but you don't see technique.
19:22 You don't see skills. You see a great
19:24 fight because as a fans, it's a very
19:26 entertaining to watch fights like that,
19:29 but if you really think about it, it's
19:32 like you don't see skills in that fight.
19:35 You don't see someone trying to take you
19:36 down, control you, some great
19:38 submissions, great transitions, I don't
19:41 know, striking. You you you see a guy
19:43 that he's like looking for a
19:46 combination. He's looking for his moment
19:48 creating a spaces. You don't see like I
19:51 don't know. I see what you're saying.
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21:21 technical? Exactly. It's just wild dogs.
21:24 It's it's just wild dogs. I mean, that's
21:26 why Michael Chandler is so popular
21:27 because he fights like a wild dog.
21:29 Exactly. And that's cool. That's cool.
21:31 You need a guys also like like him. But
21:34 I would never recommend my friend to
21:35 fight like that. Exactly. I never would
21:38 recommend to someone watch this guy and
21:40 learn something. Right. Right. Right.
21:42 Learn. Yeah. It's like he's so
21:46 entertaining, but sometimes it's best to
21:48 not be as entertaining and just be
21:51 better. Exactly. Yeah. and shut people
21:53 down. At the same time, you don't have
21:56 to be Balal, right? I see what you're
21:59 saying. But you Balal I think gets too
22:02 much bad rap. Like Balah when he beat up
22:05 Shawn Brady, that was very entertaining.
22:07 And Shawn Brady is very good. You know,
22:10 I think Bal just does what it takes to
22:11 win. And when you're in a div and also
22:14 like he didn't really have a background
22:16 in wrestling at the level that a lot of
22:19 these guys did. He had to develop that
22:21 over time. Yeah, but you there are two
22:24 type of champions for me. Like there are
22:26 champions who prepare themselves to win
22:28 and there are the other ones who prepare
22:30 themselves to dominate. I prepare myself
22:33 not to win because I know that I'm going
22:35 to win. I I want to win in fashion. I
22:37 want to dominate. I want to more people.
22:39 I want people to be entertained. I want
22:41 people to be like, "Wow, I'm happy that
22:43 I spend the money this Saturday night
22:46 going watch this guy. That's what I
22:48 want." Yeah. Someone was talking about
22:50 that recently on Instagram. I don't
22:52 remember who uh the the coach was, but
22:55 he was talking about levels of athletes
22:58 that there's there's people that train
22:59 to compete, there's people that train to
23:02 win, and then there's people that train
23:04 to dominate, to be the greatest of all
23:06 time. Exactly. And there's there's a
23:08 different mindset. There's a never
23:09 satisfied, always improving mindset that
23:12 the great champions have all the time. I
23:15 want the people to be entertained all
23:16 the time. Like when actually I
23:20 was I started with the with with the
23:22 MMA. I was like recording myself all the
23:26 sparrings and after that I was
23:28 rewatching my my my sparring. I was like
23:31 will I pay my money to watch
23:34 this? What do I have to to to change in
23:37 my game to be more entertained?
23:39 And this is how I was like looking
23:42 myself all the time. I was very crit
23:44 critical with with myself. And this is
23:47 how I develop and develop and develop.
23:50 And all the time I go inside the
23:51 octagon. I don't go there just to win.
23:55 You know what I mean? I want everyone to
23:57 be like, "Wow, what he just did how he
24:01 did it. He was the greatest of all time
24:03 and he made it made him look easy."
24:06 Yeah. This is what I want. I want to
24:08 change the game. you know the people to
24:09 to I want you to say your friend watch
24:11 this guy and learn something. Yeah.
24:14 Well, mission
24:16 accomplished so far, right? So far so
24:19 good. And now uh a new journey into the
24:21 lightweight division, you know. Um I
24:24 don't understand why they won't just
24:26 book you and Islam. There's many times
24:28 that I wish I was running the UFC. I
24:30 would change so many different things.
24:31 That would be one of the first things I
24:33 would change. I'm like, "Book that
24:34 fight. Book that fight right away." You
24:36 would do some fights also in Mars. I'm
24:38 I'm sure
24:41 I would probably go with the starship. I
24:44 have I got some wacky ideas. I don't
24:46 even think they should fight in a cage.
24:48 Yeah. Yeah. I think the cage is an
24:50 unnecessary um it's an I think it's an
24:56 unnecessary element in fighting like to
24:59 push someone against something or to be
25:01 able to get up from something. I don't
25:03 think it's necessary. I think they
25:05 should be in like a basketball court.
25:06 like a basketball court that's matted
25:08 up, have a big space, have a warning
25:11 track where you can't if you go outside
25:13 the warning track too many times, you
25:14 you could lose points. Okay? And um so
25:17 when someone takes you down, you have to
25:19 actually get up. I also think at the end
25:22 of a round, like say if you got a guy
25:24 mounted at the end of the round, you
25:25 start the next round mounted on him. Of
25:27 course. Yeah. I don't think because why
25:30 would you give him the advantage of
25:32 getting up when he never got up? He
25:34 never got up. Never got You have to earn
25:36 a get up. You have to stand up by
25:37 yourself. I love it. I I never thought
25:40 about that, actually. No. No standups
25:42 ever. Ever. No stand-ups. Unless someone
25:44 commits a foul. Like if someone commits
25:46 a foul and you want to stand them up and
25:48 take a point away, that's fine. But if
25:49 the guy's in the bottom and he commits a
25:51 foul, if a guy's on the bottom, he
25:52 gouges someone's eyes on purpose. Take a
25:54 point away. Put him right back in the
25:56 same spot. Wow. Because otherwise, like
25:58 say if you're fighting a guy like Alex
26:00 Pereira who's never taking anybody down,
26:02 he's just going to strike with you,
26:04 right? Okay. Why would you let him back
26:06 up again and have the advantage of him
26:08 standing up again? The beginning of the
26:10 round, he starts standing up again. Now
26:12 you got to take him down again. But
26:14 also, you don't think that it's it's a
26:16 part of the show? It is a part of the
26:19 show. But I don't give a [ __ ] about
26:20 that. Yeah, I'm a I mean, I'm a hardcore
26:23 fan. I'm a purist. I think it should be
26:25 about fighting, about elite fighting.
26:28 And elite fighting is you got to get up.
26:30 Like if a wrestler takes you down and he
26:32 just does this to you and it's not
26:34 entertaining. But if he can do that to
26:36 you, that's tough [ __ ] That's what he
26:38 did. You would change also the time
26:41 range like or you would leave a three
26:43 round or five minutes with one minute
26:44 rest. The good thing about five minute
26:46 rounds, the good thing about fiveminute
26:48 rounds is it's sustainable and guys can
26:51 fight at a high pace. If you had like
26:54 just 15 minutes, one 15 minute round,
26:57 guys would be exhausted and the end of
26:58 it would be sloppy. it wouldn't be the
27:00 same. The pace would be much slower. It
27:03 wouldn't be as good. So, I think there's
27:05 nothing wrong with rounds, but I think
27:06 it's one fight. It's not five fights.
27:09 So, why does he stand up at the end of
27:11 every round? I think if a guy takes you
27:13 down and he's got you mounted with like
27:16 trapped in arm and he's punching your
27:19 ribs trying to secure an arm triangle,
27:21 why would you why does he get to stand
27:22 up again? It doesn't make any sense.
27:24 True. especially if he's a striker and
27:26 you wasted all that energy get him to
27:28 the ground and you got so close to
27:30 cinching up a submission and then all of
27:32 a sudden he's back on his feet again.
27:34 You have to stand up and he didn't even
27:35 earn it. Start him right back down
27:37 there. No cage, no standups. No standups
27:40 ever. If everybody booze, tough [ __ ] Go
27:43 watch baseball. Go watch Go watch
27:45 something else. Would you you wouldn't
27:48 like to see at some point the World
27:50 Championships in mixed martial arts?
27:53 Like for example, let's say the seven
27:56 best fighters from the United States in
27:59 every weight class against seven biders
28:02 from I don't know from China or from
28:05 Russia. Yeah, I would love that. The
28:08 best flyweight against the best
28:10 flyweight from the United States and you
28:12 do that and you have seven fights
28:14 because you have seven weight divisions
28:16 and if you win four weight divisions
28:18 that country won. M yeah, that will be
28:21 fun. Also, that would be great. That's a
28:23 great idea. I love that idea. Yeah, I
28:26 think that that idea sounds really good.
28:28 And also, there is a bit of an issue,
28:31 right, with the UFC being the premier
28:33 organization for martial arts. The UFC
28:36 is like, if you're not a champion in the
28:37 UFC, no one thinks of you as a world
28:39 champion. Like, you're a world champion.
28:42 World champion. Someone can fight in the
28:44 PFL and they could say, "Oh, it's the
28:45 PFL world champion." Everybody's like,
28:47 "Right, come on. Come on.
28:50 fighters, but at the end of the day, you
28:52 know that you have all the best
28:53 fighters, the best collection of
28:55 fighters in the UFC. Yes. But I watch
28:59 one FC and I watch some of those [ __ ]
29:01 animals that they have over there and
29:02 I'm like, Jesus Christ, some of these
29:04 guys are good, man. Some of these guys
29:06 are good. And you know, they're calling
29:07 them one one FC world champions. I'm
29:10 like, I'd like to see them. I'd like to
29:12 see them because some guys look real
29:14 good until they fight elite talent. And
29:17 we've seen that before. Like some guys
29:19 look like destroyers and then they get
29:20 in the UFC against guys who are just a
29:22 little bit more technical, a little
29:23 smarter and they get pieced up. What
29:26 happens is that I think that in one
29:28 championship you most of the time you
29:31 used to fight with strikers. In the UFC,
29:34 you don't know who who you're going to
29:36 face next. Maybe he's a wrestler, right?
29:38 Maybe you're going to fight Demian Maya
29:40 who wants to fight you on the ground.
29:42 Maybe you fight Alex Pereira. You don't
29:45 [ __ ] know. So you have to be good
29:47 everywhere and you have to be prepared
29:48 for everything in one championship.
29:50 Maybe you are good at striking and you
29:53 can be a world champion. Yeah, maybe. I
29:55 mean there are some good grapplers over
29:57 there, but my point is I really wish
29:59 there was no organizations.
30:03 I really do. I really wish it was just
30:05 all the best fighters competing. I don't
30:07 Look, I love the UFC. I've been working
30:09 for the UFC forever and my loyalty is to
30:11 the UFC. But I wish there was just only
30:15 fighting. Yeah. You know, no
30:17 organizations just like boxing is in
30:19 boxing. But the problem with boxing is
30:21 it's very difficult to get these guys
30:23 because they all have different
30:24 promoters. Exactly. And if they all the
30:25 same promoter, they all get [ __ ] when
30:27 it comes to negotiation, right? If
30:29 they're all the same promoter and the
30:31 same managers. You know something about
30:33 soccer? No. Yeah, I know a little bit
30:35 about it. How they do like the Champions
30:37 League? Mhm. they have like for example
30:39 let's say the Real Madrid they have a
30:42 team that's why I would what I would do
30:45 is like I would create a team against
30:47 another team for example I have Real
30:50 Madrid I've I I sign like the best seven
30:54 fighters in the world whoever I want in
30:56 different weight classes and you have
30:58 for example Barcelona you you sign the
31:00 seven best fighters in the world around
31:02 the world you train them in one place
31:04 you do like all the strategy strategy
31:07 and We meet each other. We do a
31:08 competition like a Champions League and
31:11 we do like the whole year calendar and
31:13 the best wins at the end of we do like
31:15 the finals and we give them the space to
31:17 recover. We we create like a competition
31:21 between teams, not that individual
31:24 um people, you know what I mean? Yes. So
31:26 I would do something like that. That's a
31:28 great idea. But the problem is I think
31:30 guys guys get injured, guys fall out,
31:32 guys get sick. That's why in in soccer
31:35 you have guys that in your position you
31:37 always have two or three guys that if
31:40 you are injured you have another guy
31:42 that can can can change you or switch
31:44 you you know between the rounds even and
31:47 you are in soccer sometimes it happens
31:49 some someone gets injured in
31:52 in Estadio stadium and they can switch
31:55 them. Yeah that makes sense. But I mean
31:58 at the end of the day like imagine say
32:00 if you get scheduled to fight Islam and
32:04 uh Islam gets injured and Arman Sooqian
32:07 takes his place or something like that.
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33:54 Again, you are like focused on uh
33:56 individ individuals. You are not focused
33:58 on teams because no one is going to care
34:01 who is going to fight in from the
34:02 flyweight division. Who is going to be
34:04 your representative from the flyweight
34:05 division or from the lightweight
34:07 division. I'm like, maybe I bring you
34:10 Islam that I have it in I have him in in
34:13 in my team or also I could have Charles
34:16 Olua in the same team or maybe I bring
34:18 Charlesa because I think that against
34:20 your team, the guy you have in the
34:22 lightweight division, Charles does it
34:24 better. Right. Right. Right. They do
34:26 that with grappling like Quintet. They
34:28 do that. They have like grappling teams.
34:31 Yeah. I mean that would be interesting.
34:32 I just there's there's certain fighters
34:34 like I was my main regret in MMA that we
34:39 never got to see Fedor fight in the UFC
34:41 when he was in his prime. That's true.
34:43 If if I could have one thing, one fight
34:46 in their prime, Fedor Kane Velasquez.
34:50 Oh, that would fight. Oh my god. Great.
34:53 In their prime. That would have been
34:54 incredible. Incredible. Actually, Kane
34:57 was an amazing fighter,
34:59 bro. That guy had a gas tank that was
35:02 superhuman. So for a heavyweight, it
35:04 didn't even make any sense. You would
35:05 see guys just fall apart. They would
35:08 just wilt. Pure boxing style. Pure
35:10 boxing style, great wrestling,
35:12 incredible chin, and just indomitable
35:14 will. Too tough for his own good, which
35:17 is why he wind up like towards the end
35:19 of his career, he was just his body had
35:20 deteriorated so much. He had so many
35:23 back injuries, neck injury, shoulder
35:24 injury, knee injury. There was actually
35:26 What's going on with him? He's He's in
35:28 jail right now. He's not Yeah. He got
35:31 sentenced. He got sentenced to 5 years.
35:32 And the the judge said this was the
35:35 least amount he could sentence him. He
35:36 didn't want to sentence him. Well, what
35:37 happened to him? Do you know that now?
35:39 Yes. So Kane's son was going to daycare
35:44 and there was a man who molested him at
35:47 daycare. Kane found out about it, chased
35:50 the man in his car and shot at him. He
35:52 tried to catch him in his car and shot
35:54 at him. Kane gets arrested. Kane stayed
35:57 in jail. The guy gets arrested and he
35:59 got out on bail. I don't know what's
36:01 happening with the guy. I don't know if
36:03 he's been sentenced yet or what, but
36:05 this guy molested his son multiple
36:08 times. I don't know how many times, but
36:10 he did what every father would have
36:12 done. You the the if you're not a
36:15 father, you do not understand the
36:18 murderous rage you would have if some
36:22 man molested your baby. You don't
36:24 understand. It's it's you would see read
36:28 in a way that no one can describe to you
36:31 unless you're a parent. That [ __ ]
36:33 anger is I mean if there's ever a plea
36:37 for temporary
36:39 insanity, that's that's the plea. If
36:42 there's ever a person who could
36:44 justifiably say, "I was temporarily
36:46 insane," it's a father that's chasing
36:49 after someone, especially a man who
36:51 molests your boy.
36:53 Wow. Yeah, everybody understands it.
36:56 Everybody understands it. He should have
36:58 never gone to jail. He's not a threat to
37:00 society. He's not a danger. He shouldn't
37:02 be in prison. No. And he already did
37:04 three years. He was already in jail for
37:06 three years. He has been a great example
37:08 for so many upcoming guys like for the
37:11 new generation. I don't know why guys
37:13 like him have to end up in the jail for
37:16 something like that. Exactly. He didn't
37:18 robber anyone. He didn't Exactly. I
37:21 don't know. Exactly. It's It's horrific.
37:23 It's horrific, you know. I mean, I just
37:25 don't understand it. It's um I mean, the
37:28 judge's hands were tied. He had to make
37:30 a sentence and this is the I think the
37:32 minimum amount. They were trying to give
37:33 him 30 years. Yeah. For attempted murder
37:37 cuz he was just shooting at this guy.
37:38 And obviously, when you're driving and
37:40 shooting, you could miss him and and
37:41 kill a bystander. It's very dangerous.
37:44 But also, the guy was in a murderous
37:48 rage for a good reason. For a good
37:51 reason, of course. And if he killed that
37:53 guy, the world would be better off.
37:55 That's my feeling. That's my feeling.
37:57 That's true. That's also true. A guy
37:59 like that walking around and molest
38:00 children should be dead. That I that's
38:02 just my feeling. All this thought of I
38:04 mean there's a bunch of people on the
38:06 left here in the United States that they
38:08 have this crazy way of looking at
38:10 pedophiles. They they they call them
38:12 minor attracted persons. They want to
38:15 make it a protected class and say it's,
38:17 you know, it's like someone being
38:18 attracted to someone of the opposite sex
38:20 or someone being attracted to someone of
38:22 the same sex. Like, no, it's not. No,
38:24 it's not. You're victimizing children,
38:26 the most vulnerable and protected people
38:29 that we have. Of course, you can't you
38:31 can't even talk to the kids about
38:33 something like that. You know what I
38:35 mean? Yeah. About like I I heard so many
38:38 crazy things about that topic that let's
38:41 let's leave it right there. will just
38:43 get in
38:44 trouble. Yeah. I mean, kill them all.
38:47 That's how I feel. Kill them all.
38:49 Anybody wants to do that to children,
38:50 there's no reason for them to exist.
38:52 They This I mean, for Yeah. You're just
38:55 going to ruin lives. And not just their
38:57 lives, but you're going to ruin all the
39:00 people whose lives they ruin cuz they're
39:02 all [ __ ] up now. You know, you you you
39:05 you kill so much potential from a human
39:08 being to do that to a baby. It's just
39:10 insane. Wow. It's just [ __ ] insane.
39:13 So that's unfortunately the story with
39:15 Kane right now. And you know he was out
39:17 for a while once they let him out. He
39:19 was coaching at AKA and you know he's a
39:23 amazing coach and we hope
39:25 that they going to they going to think
39:28 it again and they're going to give him
39:30 the freedom he deserves. Yeah. I mean I
39:32 hope Trump pardons him. I mean that's
39:33 what I really hope makes something
39:36 happen with that. Maybe that's possible.
39:38 I mean, that might be the best best
39:40 option. Um, but anyway, in his prime,
39:44 uh, Kane Velasquez versus Fedor. That's
39:47 my my biggest regret. A fight that we
39:49 never got to see cuz when Kane when when
39:52 Fedor was fighting in Pride, you know,
39:54 and this is before the UFC was really
39:56 huge, right? Cuz they were huge in Japan
39:59 in like 2001, 2002. They were filling
40:02 stadiums in Japan. when the UFC was just
40:05 sort of emerging in the United States,
40:07 it really hadn't hit its peak until
40:09 2005. And why do you think that they
40:12 never bring him to to the UFC? Well,
40:15 they tried. Uh but I got to be careful
40:18 how I say this. So Fedor was controlled
40:21 by uh some Russian people that were
40:26 uh very uh rough men, okay, as it were,
40:30 you know, uh gangster type characters.
40:33 And uh they had a bunch of negotiations
40:35 with the UFC, but there were very
40:37 unreasonable demands. Like they wanted
40:39 part of the promotion. They wanted to
40:42 own a piece of everything. They wanted a
40:44 lot cuz they knew that with Fedora, they
40:47 had their golden ticket and they wanted
40:49 to play it out as much as possible.
40:51 Okay. Negotiations were very intense and
40:54 uh
40:55 very very confrontational. They got bad
40:58 where Dana had to up his security. It
41:00 got It got pretty Yeah, it got heavy.
41:03 Yeah, these are dangerous people. These
41:05 were dangerous people. It got Yeah, I
41:08 can tell you more off air. Yeah. Wow. I
41:11 didn't know that story. I'll tell you
41:13 more off air. It got You should talk to
41:14 Dana about it. It got crazy. Wow.
41:17 They're rough. That's why. Yeah, because
41:19 I always thought like why they don't
41:22 bring that guy to the UFC because it's
41:24 going to be so fun for the for the fans.
41:26 They wanted to co-promote. They wanted
41:28 to be a part of the promotion. They
41:29 wanted more than they deserved. They
41:32 didn't just want Fedor to get paid. They
41:34 wanted to get paid. They wanted to They
41:36 wanted to make a lot of money and they
41:37 wanted to get their hooks into the UFC.
41:39 Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. Russian gangsters.
41:42 Yeah. Yeah.
41:46 I get it from their perspective how they
41:48 rule like everything. Pride was run by
41:51 the Yakuza, you know. So, it was
41:53 Japanese gangsters and Russian
41:54 gangsters. They speak the same language,
41:57 you know. It was uh they got along fine.
41:59 But then when they came over to the UFC,
42:00 the UFC was like, "That's done. Not the
42:03 place. Do it over here." No, we'll give
42:05 him a lot of money. We want him to fight
42:07 in the UFC. And it never took place,
42:09 unfortunately. Wow. Yeah. So crazy.
42:13 Yeah. So, he's about to fight again. Fed
42:15 is going to fight bare knuckle. Yeah. I
42:17 I heard something about that. Yeah. I
42:19 think Connor's promotion. I think it's
42:21 Connor's promotion. That BKFD, actually.
42:23 Do you think he's going to come back,
42:24 Connor? If I had a bet. No. Yeah. No.
42:28 why he comes back cuz he hasn't come
42:30 back yet. And he could have, you know,
42:32 if he really wanted to, he would have
42:34 been back in the gym, had a fight
42:36 scheduled, drug tested, clean, training,
42:39 gone through a camp, had a fight. Like,
42:41 he had a broken toe before the first
42:43 fight with Tran Chandler. I understand
42:45 that. Okay. Why should you fight in a
42:47 broken toe? Especially a guy who moves a
42:49 lot like Connor. He relies on movement
42:51 so much. Yeah, I get it. So, heal that
42:53 toe up. What's that? That's two months.
42:55 Broken toes is two months. Yeah. And so
42:57 then you're back in camp and then you
43:00 you reschedule a fight and then you
43:02 fight again. But he didn't. Um and also
43:06 partying, constant partying, all these
43:08 law legal problems that he has, you
43:12 know, scooting around on yachts and, you
43:15 know, driving around a Lamborghini. He's
43:18 he's wealthy. He's done. Maybe. I mean,
43:21 the what's really sad is if he comes
43:24 back when he's like 39 or 40 and his
43:27 body just doesn't have it anymore, you
43:29 know? So, right now, he actually has a
43:31 great opponent, Mike Chandler. He could
43:33 fight, right? Right. They could fight
43:36 right now. Yeah, they could fight
43:37 because if they put him against Potty, I
43:40 think Patty beats him easy now. Well, a
43:44 lot of years off, right? A lot of years
43:46 off, you know, on the feet. Conor's a
43:48 [ __ ] No, at the in the feed.
43:51 He's a [ __ ] I I know that he
43:53 can knock out like everyone. If he's
43:55 still the same guy. Yeah. But the thing
43:57 is he's 36 now, you know, and if he's
44:00 natural also
44:02 reality, okay, when he breaks his leg,
44:05 he gets off the drug testing, right? Cuz
44:07 he's got to do something to heal his leg
44:09 quicker. So, what is he going to do?
44:11 Well, you're going to take steroids. So,
44:12 if you're going to take steroids and
44:14 you're already
44:15 34ish, your endocrine system gets [ __ ]
44:18 up by taking steroids where your body
44:21 stops producing testosterone. So, I've
44:23 had explain it to me by scientists
44:24 before and essentially say if you take
44:27 steroids for 6 months, you need at least
44:31 6 months before your body starts
44:33 producing testosterone at a normal level
44:36 again. Okay? Some people think it's
44:37 twice as long. So, that would be a year.
44:40 a year of no steroids before your body
44:43 regains its natural testosterone levels.
44:45 If it does, depending if it does, you
44:48 think that if someone puts steroids in
44:50 his body, he he never comes back as
44:55 a as his at his normal body. Vtor
44:59 Belelffort is the best example of this,
45:01 right? He's the best guy that we could
45:03 use as an example, but he took bunch of
45:05 stuck
45:07 [Laughter]
45:10 Luke Rockold said when he when he was
45:12 weighing in when he fought him, he said,
45:14 "This guy's got muscles on his [ __ ]
45:16 teeth." Yeah. On his mark. Exactly,
45:20 bro. But if you go back to Vtor when he
45:23 fought Anderson Silva before they had
45:25 testosterone use exemptions, he didn't
45:27 look like that at all. No, he looked old
45:29 actually. He looked like his body was
45:32 relaxed. Yeah. Because Vtor Yeah. So
45:35 this is the look at the difference
45:37 before you saw it and after you saw it.
45:38 I mean that is a crazy example. So when
45:42 he fought Chris Weidman, his body looked
45:44 soft and like his muscles look empty.
45:48 They just didn't look the same. And that
45:50 was just a couple of years after test.
45:53 They [ __ ] up with the testosterone use
45:55 exemption because what they did was they
45:57 would test guys and if you're low on
45:59 testosterone, oh, you can have a
46:01 testosterone use exemption. But you
46:03 could get low on testosterone in a night
46:05 if you wanted to. All you'd have to do
46:07 is eat a bunch of shitty food and drink
46:10 and stay up all night and your body's
46:12 natural levels of testosterone would be
46:14 low. So you could go get drug you who
46:16 has normal healthy levels of
46:18 testosterone. You could wreck your body
46:20 on purpose, then go get drug tested and
46:23 they say, "Oh, Ilia, you have low
46:25 testosterone. I'm going to prescribe to
46:27 you testosterone exemption." And so then
46:29 you go and take testosterone, you become
46:31 a [ __ ] animal and and you're healthy.
46:34 You don't need it. So there was a lot of
46:36 guys that were taking it that didn't
46:37 need it. So you think that at this point
46:39 there are guys in the UFC that are take
46:42 uh taking like uh steroids, let's say. I
46:45 would imagine there's for sure someone
46:48 doing something they're not supposed to
46:49 do. Yeah. Wow. I don't know because at
46:52 this point I feel that they are so
46:54 strict with the they are so strict.
46:56 There's a lot of guys that do their
46:58 camps in far away lands and I think that
47:01 like people always used to joke around
47:03 about Dagistan, you know, like try try
47:05 getting a USADA guy into Dagistan, you
47:08 know, the moment he lands, everybody's
47:12 going to call everybody drug test in in
47:14 in Dagistan. They they test Khabib for
47:17 example in Dagistan. No, I'm sure I'm
47:20 sure they must have. And what if someone
47:22 landed from an issue where some guys
47:25 from USADA and Kabib's camp they had
47:28 like they had some issue some issue.
47:30 Yeah, they had some I remember like
47:32 something like that. But you go over
47:34 there like and you know you want to get
47:36 out you got to be careful. Nah, you get
47:39 that. Yeah. But I would imagine that if
47:42 you want to avoid being tested all the
47:45 time, like say like if you are in
47:48 America and you know you live in
47:50 Arizona, whatever, they'll visit you all
47:52 the time. They'll test you a bunch, you
47:54 know, and there's some people that have
47:55 been tested a bunch. They get tested a
47:58 lot. And then some people that don't get
47:59 tested as much. And if you're going to
48:01 go and do your camp in Thailand or
48:03 you're going to go do your camp in
48:05 Dagistan or it's a lot more difficult to
48:07 get to you to test you randomly. Yeah.
48:09 But they can anyway, so you can trust on
48:12 on if they come or not. But there's
48:15 short acting stuff. There's like um when
48:19 uh Alex Rodriguez
48:21 is that A-Rod, right? Yeah. When he was
48:23 fighting or excuse me, when he was
48:25 playing baseball rather, they were
48:27 taking gummies, testosterone gummies.
48:29 Okay. And the testosterone literally
48:32 only lasts for a few hours and it's out
48:34 of your system. Wow. Yeah. I never heard
48:37 that. Yeah. There's certain stuff that
48:38 you can take like EPO that's very
48:42 shortlasting, very difficult to test,
48:44 very shortlasting. And there's in my
48:46 case, I don't like that because I
48:48 wouldn't feel good with myself, right?
48:50 I'm I'm going to feel like I'm cheating,
48:52 right? I I don't deserve the the whim
48:54 because I'm cheating. I'm a cheater. I I
48:57 can't have that thought that that
48:58 thought about myself all the time. I
49:01 when I walk inside the octagon, I feel
49:03 that I didn't cheat and I deserve the
49:07 win and that's why I'm going to win.
49:09 Well, that's why guys like BJ Penn are
49:11 so impressive cuz BJ Penn was clean when
49:14 everybody was cheating. Yeah, cuz back
49:17 then it was really difficult to test.
49:19 All they tested was at the weigh-ins.
49:21 So, at the weigh-ins, that's like an
49:23 intelligence test. Like if you cheat and
49:26 take steroids intelligently, by the time
49:28 you get to the weigh-ins, you're going
49:30 to be clean. If you do it with a doctor,
49:32 I know camps and I don't want to say the
49:34 names, but they had scientists working
49:37 for the camps. And the scientists, these
49:39 doctors would study guys blood work and
49:42 make sure that they were clean by the
49:45 time they got into camp or by the time
49:46 they got into the weigh-ins. So when
49:48 they were on the scale, they still had
49:50 all the benefits of steroids, but they
49:52 had no steroids in their system and
49:54 their body hadn't started to deteriorate
49:56 yet from the lack of steroids. I know
49:58 some camp camps also that they use
50:00 steroids. Yeah, for sure. But yeah, for
50:02 me, you can have all the muscles in the
50:05 world, but if you are not mentally
50:07 strong because that's so specific moment
50:10 when you are in the backstage, you need
50:13 your mind so badly. You need it more
50:17 than your body sometimes
50:19 because as I told you, you can have all
50:21 the muscles in the world, but you need
50:23 this muscle as strong as possible, you
50:26 know. And if you know you cheated and
50:28 you know you're cheating bad. Yeah. That
50:30 you are not in what you in reality are
50:33 saying that you are. Right. Right.
50:36 Right. That that's a tough one. I don't
50:38 want to I don't want to see myself in
50:40 that situation. Never. That's a
50:42 champions mindset. Yeah. Yeah. That's a
50:44 real champions mindset. Some guys, they
50:46 just want to do anything to win. They
50:48 want to do anything to win. When and if
50:50 they have to cheat to win, they'll
50:51 cheat. They'll And they they'll justify
50:53 it by saying everybody cheats. Yeah. I
50:56 I'm a God believer and and my mindset is
51:01 like, of course, I want to win. I
51:04 prepare myself to win. But if he
51:07 destroys my plans is because maybe my
51:10 plans could destroy me. So I don't want
51:12 to have anything because I want to have
51:15 it if he decides it. If God decides to
51:18 to give it to me, I accept it. I will do
51:21 everything to get it because I desire it
51:24 from all my heart. And if he says that
51:27 if I desire it, I have the faith, I will
51:30 get it. M so this and the reality is if
51:33 you give everything you have and you
51:36 lose you win a lesson and you realize
51:39 you're not at the level that you need to
51:40 be there's never a lose or you win or
51:43 you learn and learn learning is also a
51:45 winning right where did you develop your
51:48 mindset have you got any mental coaching
51:51 did you read books on psychology I I
51:54 read a lot of books I try to read at
51:57 least uh 30 minutes a day but it's every
52:00 day every day what you do and and and
52:04 your daily habits it it what's what
52:07 makes the difference right because we
52:08 can decide our future but we can decide
52:10 our habits and our habits decide our
52:12 future
52:14 yes yeah so like what kind of stuff do
52:17 you read
52:18 uh I read more like
52:22 um I I read a lot of books I love
52:26 reading books
52:28 uh of self-development books.
52:33 Uh
52:35 also how can I tell you in
52:38 and yeah this is the most of the books I
52:41 I I read self-development books I I read
52:45 uh
52:46 biographies of of the people that I like
52:48 for example do Donald Trump Warren
52:51 Buffett I read that kind of people
52:53 businessmen yeah I try to
52:56 why do you read businessmen's
52:57 biographies because at the end of the
53:00 day. Right now, I'm in sports, but at
53:03 some point, I'm going to retire and I'm
53:04 going to make a I have to make a living
53:07 from from something, right? Because I'm
53:08 I'm not going to be fighting my whole
53:11 life and I don't want it even. So, yeah,
53:15 I want to I want to prepare myself. So,
53:17 if you want to have extraordinary life,
53:19 you have to be extra extraordinary
53:21 person, right? Yes. Yeah. Absolutely.
53:24 And I'm trying to to become an
53:25 extraordinary person in all walks of
53:28 life. In all walks of life. Yeah. So, do
53:31 you have an idea of when you want to
53:32 retire?
53:35 Um, how old do you know? Till I enjoy.
53:38 28. 28. 28. Till I enjoy. I don't know
53:41 how many fights.
53:42 Maybe till 32, 34. Really? Yeah. I don't
53:47 know. Till I enjoy. Right now, I'm
53:49 enjoying. I don't know what's going to
53:51 happen tomorrow. So, you'll take that
53:53 road when it comes. What do you mean? uh
53:56 you'll find when it when that happens
53:58 when you no longer enjoy then you will
54:00 go on a different path
54:03 then you will retire. I don't know right
54:05 now I I I want to become a lightweight
54:07 world champion. I want to hold that belt
54:09 too. So I don't know what's what's going
54:12 to happen then if I'm going to keep
54:17 motivated. It's kind of difficult. This
54:19 is a fight game. Five game is so hard.
54:23 so hard because you have to go in and
54:26 shake someone's head off and you can't
54:28 you can't be that soft guy, you know
54:30 what I mean? Like that kind guy. You
54:33 have to be you you got to have that
54:35 testosterone app. You got to be vicious.
54:38 Exactly. Yeah. You got to be technical,
54:39 you got to be smart, but you also have
54:40 to be vicious. And at the same time,
54:43 everyone from my family is involved in
54:45 in in my career. You know, at some point
54:48 maybe I will end
54:50 up do a different things. Maybe some
54:53 businesses. Right now I'm I'm I'm doing
54:55 different things and I'm enjoying it
54:57 also. So you're doing different things
54:58 outside of fighting. Yeah, I have a
55:00 promotion in Spain right now. Oh, MMA
55:02 promotion. MMA promotion. What's it
55:04 called? Wo. Wo. And the goal with Wo is
55:08 to to because as you mentioned when you
55:11 say wo, how you how you spelling that?
55:13 Uh way of the warrior. Oh wow. Okay. So
55:17 from Spain to get to the UFC before was
55:20 so difficult. I had to do so many crazy
55:23 things to to get to the UFC. But right
55:25 now, we create WO and actually we are in
55:30 the UFC fight pass. Everyone can get in
55:33 in in that promotion fight if you have
55:35 the the skills, if you are ready,
55:38 someone's going to see you and they're
55:40 going to sign you in the UFC. The
55:41 promoter's life is a hard life. That's a
55:44 hard job. Yeah. You think so? Yeah. It's
55:46 very entertaining to be honest. When I
55:48 talked to Dana at least promoting for
55:50 the UFC, like I was talking to him this
55:52 weekend and he was telling me all the
55:53 issues that they're having and with
55:55 different fights that was ask I was
55:57 asking him some questions like what are
55:58 you doing with this? What are you doing
55:59 with that? And he starts telling me that
56:00 oh this guy wants that this I won't
56:02 fight this guy. He told you something
56:03 about me. Maybe maybe a little bit if he
56:07 did I can't tell you. I did ask who
56:09 you're going to fight and they said
56:10 we're working on things. But uh he was
56:13 actually specifically talking about um
56:15 what happens if Bal wins.
56:18 You know, because uh Islam and Bal have
56:20 been they've been talking about Islam
56:22 fighting Bal. That's going to happen. I
56:25 would like that to happen if Bal wins,
56:28 but that's an if. Jack Dela Matalena is
56:30 a bad [ __ ] He's good, man. That
56:32 guy's good. Even if he wins, they're
56:34 going to make that fight happen against
56:36 Islam. You think so?
56:39 Yeah. Well, if Jack Damatelena wins,
56:42 then Jack is the new welterweight
56:43 champion and you know, maybe he fights
56:45 Islam. That makes a lot of sense. The
56:48 problem with Islam fighting Bal is that
56:50 they train together and I think, you
56:52 know, they'd kind of sit. How many guys
56:54 we we see fight fight fighting between
56:57 each other that they used to train
56:59 before? Oh, I agree. I mean, I think
57:01 they should fight. I definitely think
57:03 they should fight. I think Kabib doesn't
57:05 like that idea.
57:09 Yeah.
57:11 Yeah. That's how I feel. But it's not
57:13 just that. I mean, Jana is always
57:16 putting out a million fires. I mean,
57:18 think about it. They have 500 fighters
57:20 on the way on in the roster at least.
57:22 And, you know, there's all these things
57:24 that are happening and like like the
57:26 Arman Surukian thing like his back hurts
57:28 the day of the fight. Wow. He's got to
57:31 pull out like this is [ __ ] crazy.
57:32 This is, you know what I mean? Like
57:34 imagine that you have this whole
57:35 promotion based around this uh elite
57:38 fighter who's who fought Islam in his
57:41 first fight, short notice. They they go
57:43 to a very close decision, a very close
57:45 fight. Arman's gotten a lot better.
57:46 Islam's gotten a lot better. Then
57:48 they're going to fight again and then
57:49 the day of he hurts his back.
57:52 Crazy. It happens. Yeah. Very crazy.
57:54 Yeah. But if you will be in the Danish
57:57 place, who would be my next opponent?
58:00 Islam. 100%. 100%. I wish they I tried
58:04 to tell him that this weekend. That
58:06 would be a great fight. Yeah, it's the
58:08 that's the fight to make. Uh because you
58:10 have a world champion versus a world
58:12 champion. Like if anybody deserves a
58:14 fight for the world title in the next
58:16 weight class, it's you. It's it's
58:18 simple. It's simple. You knocked out Max
58:20 Holloway. I mean, it's simple. You
58:22 knocked out Alexander Vulcanowski, one
58:25 of the greatest of all time. It's
58:26 simple. That's a no-brainer. That's the
58:29 fight. You know, he doesn't want to
58:30 fight 45 anymore. He wants to fight 55.
58:32 World titers. And nobody would argue
58:35 with that. That would be a huge fight.
58:36 Everybody would get excited about it.
58:38 Yeah. Yeah, hopefully they they make
58:41 those fights happen. Yeah, hopefully. I
58:43 don't have any say. Like I said, I'd get
58:45 rid of the cage. I'd get rid of
58:48 standups. I get I'd [ __ ] everything up
58:50 for them. I would make it uh less
58:52 marketable probably. I would. Anyways,
58:55 if they give me the fight with Charles,
58:57 it's going to be one, too. That's a
58:59 great fight, too. That's a great fight,
59:01 too. There's a lot of guys in that
59:02 division. You know, there's there's a
59:04 lot of good fights for you at 155
59:06 pounds. Do you have a timeline of when
59:08 you would like to fight at 155?
59:11 I would like to fight with with Islam.
59:14 That's for sure. I I would like to fight
59:16 him. But if they don't give you that
59:17 fight if they give you like a number one
59:19 contender fight. When would you like to
59:21 fight next? I I wouldn't fight for a
59:23 number one contender fight. You only
59:25 want to fight for the title. Yeah, of
59:26 course. Really? Okay. Of course. I
59:29 understand. That makes sense to me.
59:31 Look, also it's the most marketable
59:33 fight. Everybody else has lost to him,
59:35 right? I don't care if Islam decides
59:37 that he doesn't want to fight me. I
59:39 don't care. I sit till you're going to
59:41 have to fight me. Okay? You say that you
59:44 are the world champion. You're going to
59:45 keep dominating the the division, all
59:47 that. I'm here. You you you can't keep
59:50 avoiding me all the time. So, you would
59:52 just sit on the sidelines rather than
59:54 fight someone else. I don't think that
59:55 they're going to do that. I don't think
59:57 they they would put me on a sideline
59:59 because they asked me to. I I wade the
60:02 bell because I told him that I wouldn't
60:04 fight in 145 again, but I get the
60:07 promise that I would fight for
60:09 Tyler in my next fight. Mhm. So, how
60:13 much time you will stop me and from the
60:17 fighting? So, they did give you a
60:19 promise that your next when you vacated
60:21 the belt that your next fight if they
60:22 give that that chance to everyone, why
60:24 why not to me? They gave it to Henry
60:27 Sahul. They gave it to Conor McGregor.
60:28 They gave it to George Aier. They gave
60:30 it to to Jo. They gave it to everyone,
60:32 right? And I proved that I deserve that
60:35 shot. As you said, I I knock out uh two
60:39 of the all-time greats. Two two of the
60:42 all-time greats. Two of the greats. Walk
60:46 who who was like dominating everyone in
60:48 in 145 division. And Max
60:51 Holloway, great fighters, bo both of
60:53 them, especially after Max Holloway's
60:55 victory over Justin Gachi, which is like
60:57 the greatest victory of his career.
60:59 Yeah. to knock him out after that and no
61:01 one did it. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. I mean,
61:04 I'd say world title fight, but I don't
61:06 get to make the rules. And the last
61:07 fight he had was in 155, right, against
61:10 Justin Gachi, who also fought for the
61:13 title. Yep. So, yeah. And then the other
61:16 thing is there's not really a compelling
61:18 challenger at 155 other than you. If you
61:22 look at it like he's kind of cleaned out
61:23 the division. There's no no one else. I
61:26 mean, Arman's got to build himself back
61:28 up. He's not going to get a title shot.
61:30 I would put Justin Gachi against Patty
61:34 Pimble. Me against Islam. Once I pass
61:38 him, I get the title. And you you you
61:41 put me against Patty because I think
61:44 that he he's gonna You think Patty's
61:45 going to beat Justin Gage? Easy. Wow.
61:48 Really easy. Yeah. Easy. Really easy.
61:51 Yeah. Wow. That's a crazy thing to say
61:54 because Justin Gage is a [ __ ] animal.
61:57 Yeah, but he doesn't know how to grapple
61:59 and pen knows how. But he's a division
62:01 one wrestler. He knows how to grapple.
62:04 You don't think he knows how to gra? He
62:05 just chooses not to. He chooses to stand
62:08 and fight. I don't think so. Did you
62:10 ever saw him submitting someone? I don't
62:13 believe he's ever submitted someone, but
62:15 I think that's because he likes to just
62:17 crush people. He likes to bang it out
62:19 and fight. He used to fight. What
62:21 everyone likes is to dominate people and
62:23 and to win as soon as possible. If you
62:25 have the ability to submit someone as
62:27 soon as you can, you would do it.
62:31 I think that's your mindset. I think
62:33 Justin Gates's mindset is to be the most
62:36 violent person alive. Yeah. Yeah. And I
62:38 think that's one of the reasons why he
62:40 lost some fights early in his career
62:42 because he took unnecessary chances and
62:44 he fought recklessly. Then as he
62:46 adjusted later in his career, he fought
62:48 more intelligently. He took a lot of
62:50 risks still, but he was more intelligent
62:52 about it. He was more intelligent about
62:54 the way he approached fights and then he
62:56 started winning and beating guys and
62:58 that you know like where he might have
63:01 like thrown himself into wars before
63:03 like the Michael Johnson fight was just
63:04 chaos. Just a war just the first fight
63:07 in the UFC just throws himself into
63:09 chaos that fight. Yeah, chaos. Yeah, he
63:11 would just throw he would just try to
63:14 see he was like Michael Chandler but a
63:17 better fighter, you know, just more
63:19 successful at it at a high level. So,
63:22 you pick Justin Gachi over Patty? I
63:24 don't say that. Um, I do think that
63:27 Michael Chandler was 38 years old with a
63:31 lot of miles on him. Although he's a
63:33 [ __ ] animal. And how old is Justin
63:36 Gage? Justin's probably 35. How old is
63:39 Justin? 36. Turns 37 in November. Yeah,
63:42 that's when it starts to slip away. If
63:44 you're natural everything after 35, like
63:47 this is one of the most extraordinary
63:48 things about Alexander Vas. I don't
63:50 think that he's the type of guy that
63:52 takes care of his body all the time and
63:54 he's like very strict with his health. I
63:59 think he slept more at at day than at
64:02 night. Oh, you think so? Did he parties?
64:05 I think so. I don't know. They put the
64:08 camera on him on the last pay-per-view
64:11 and he looked like he was so high.
64:14 Like this high I'm not worried about.
64:16 What I'm worried about is drunk. Cuz
64:18 high doesn't give you the hangover. High
64:20 doesn't kill your body. Drunk kills your
64:22 body. If guys are in between camps
64:24 getting fat and drinking, that's never a
64:26 good sign. That's a bad sign. That
64:28 that's because you're not just not
64:31 training, you're deteriorating your
64:33 body. You know, if Justin Gay is just
64:35 smoking a little weed, I'm not worried
64:36 about that. Um it's not the best for
64:39 focus. He doesn't seems to be that guy
64:40 that drinks a lot. No, I don't think so.
64:43 I don't think so. Cocaine is the worst.
64:45 worst. When you hear guys doing coke,
64:48 that's the worst. That's the one that
64:49 deteriorates you more than anything. I
64:51 never ever saw a cocaine in my life. Me
64:54 neither. I never never done cocaine
64:55 either. I when I was a kid, I had a a
64:58 friend whose cousin was hooked on
64:59 cocaine. I got to see it up close. Yeah.
65:01 I was like, "Fuck that stuff." That's a
65:03 scary one for fighters, too, because the
65:06 thrill of cocaine, for some reason, is
65:08 exciting to people who love like
65:11 exciting things. Like, there's something
65:12 about fighters are adrenaline junkies.
65:14 They like to be pumped up and yeah,
65:17 Connor seems to enjoy it, which is one
65:19 of the things that makes me think he
65:21 probably won't come back. But if he does
65:23 come back, it's got to be now, you know,
65:25 again at 36 years old now. Patty
65:28 Pimpblelet,
65:30 that's the fight. That'll be a big
65:31 That's going to be a big fight. Big
65:34 fight. Yeah. But I don't even think
65:37 Connor's in the drug testing pool
65:38 anymore.
65:40 No. I don't believe so. I don't believe
65:43 so. See if you can Google that, find out
65:45 if he's in a draw. I think he pulled
65:47 back. He's gonna come back. You think
65:48 so? Yeah. If they give the the
65:50 opportunity to to I don't know to to
65:53 guys like I don't know what 40 years old
65:56 like
65:58 Arloski. You can have so many names that
66:01 they fought at four years at four years
66:04 age. Why not Conor? I know that you want
66:07 a world title fight at 155, but would
66:09 you make an exception for a Conor
66:11 McGregor fight in 155?
66:14 But right now, right now? No. No. No.
66:18 Good for you. Do you think it's going to
66:19 be excited if I beat Islam and then I
66:23 give the the the chance to Connor? No. I
66:25 mean, like right now before Islam, like
66:27 if the the UFC calls you up and says, "I
66:29 know you want a world title fight. We
66:30 guarantee you a world title fight after
66:31 this." Actually, we had that talks like
66:33 Really? Yeah. But yeah, I don't know.
66:35 What was that? What was that talk? Tell
66:36 me what that talk was like. No, no, no.
66:38 Come on. Come on. Come on.
66:41 I did this one and I'm going to get some
66:43 calls that you know how the UFC is. They
66:46 are like very specific. Don't say
66:48 anything, right? To no one. Well, no
66:51 one's listening. You can tell everybody.
66:52 Yeah. Yeah.
66:55 Only couple of million of people is
66:56 listening. Yeah.
67:00 It'll slip right by. Yeah. If they offer
67:02 me a fight against Connor right now,
67:05 we'll say why not? Why not? Why not?
67:08 Why? I wouldn't say no. I wouldn't say
67:09 no. Just for the numbers to get a cut of
67:12 that pay-per-view and it hits two
67:13 million pies. Yeah. Woo. Why not? That's
67:15 the thing about Connor is like still
67:18 even though he might not be the best
67:19 fighter in the world right now, he's
67:20 still the he's the golden goose. Of
67:22 course he is. Yeah. That's something you
67:25 can't take kind of amazing. you know
67:28 that still he still guarantees that many
67:31 eyeballs will go to see him. You know,
67:33 it just that would be a a great one. But
67:36 what excites me more is the fight with
67:39 Patty. Really? Yeah, that fight excites
67:42 me even more. And if they could put that
67:46 fight in Spain in the Bay Nabu Stadium.
67:49 Oh, I I know that Dana doesn't like to
67:53 to to put the events in stadium, but
67:56 that's the only stadium in the world
67:58 that they can close the roof. Oh, okay.
68:01 Yeah. And this prepared for that kind of
68:04 How many people? 80,000.
68:08 You get 80,000 in Spain easy, too. Yeah.
68:11 If you're fighting in Spain, no problem.
68:13 Oh my god, that would be insane. I might
68:15 have to go to Spain for that. And and a
68:17 lot of people could travel from England
68:20 to Spain. Oh yeah. And that happens very
68:22 often. But if they do it in Spain, it's
68:25 got to be on Spain time. They can't do
68:28 that [ __ ] that they did when Leon
68:30 Edwards fought. It has to be in Spain
68:32 time. But I think that the with
68:35 the like the negotiations they they are
68:39 having with ESPN and I don't know in
68:42 which platform they are going to put the
68:44 UFC events.
68:46 They're going to ask for space for four
68:49 or five events in Europe in the prime
68:51 time for Europe. Europe this is listen
68:54 Europe time prime time is fine because
68:57 it's in the afternoon in America. That's
68:59 fine. So the fights at 1:00 in the
69:02 afternoon you people watch football
69:04 games 100 million people watch a
69:06 football game stills to be a virgin uh
69:09 market. You know what I mean? You got
69:12 500 million people in Europe. It's more
69:15 than the United States even, right? And
69:18 if they did it on Netflix, everybody has
69:19 Netflix. Everybody has Netflix. That
69:22 might happen. That's why they're in
69:24 negotiation right now. That will be a
69:27 massive one in Spain. In Spain against
69:31 that that pimple.
69:35 What happened with you two? Because I
69:36 saw the video where you guys are yelling
69:38 at each other. Was it in a hotel or
69:40 something? Yeah, he said something about
69:42 Georgia. Oh, he said something about
69:44 your country. Yeah, he What did he say?
69:46 He said like, "Now I understand what why
69:48 the why the Russians are are um bombing
69:52 Giorgio or something like putting bombs
69:53 in Georgia." Like,
69:56 whoa. Don't joke with that. You can joke
69:59 about me. Say whatever you want to say
70:01 about me. Whatever. He's a mushroom.
70:04 He's this. He's that. Da da da. Don't
70:08 talk about war because you don't know
70:10 how is it, right? That's a crazy thing
70:13 to say. Don't say that. Yeah. So, that
70:17 was the beginning of it. It just out of
70:19 nowhere he said that. He said that on
70:21 Twitter. Oh, wow. He said that on
70:25 Twitter. Maybe he was too high, too
70:28 drunk. I don't know. He was talking
70:31 [ __ ] you know? I mean, it gets people
70:32 to pay attention. He's really good at
70:34 getting people to pay attention, you
70:36 Yeah, he is. He's really good at that. I
70:38 mean, he could be the next Conor
70:40 McGregor star. Like that kind of a star
70:43 where the whole world is watching. That
70:44 weird personality. Yes. Yeah, he has
70:47 that. Well, he's very disarming cuz
70:49 people they see I talked about this in
70:51 the last pay-per-view. I said I said
70:52 it's a very sneaky trick because guys
70:54 like you, you look at you, the way you
70:56 carry yourself, the way you that's a
70:57 fighter. Like you look at that guy's a
70:58 dangerous [ __ ] But when you see
71:00 Patty, he's dancing like this. His hair
71:03 is flopping around like he's in the
71:04 Beatles, you know? He's like, he seems
71:06 silly, but then he [ __ ] people up. And
71:08 so I think people he [ __ ] people up
71:11 like Michael Chandler, right? But when
71:14 he he he faced a real fight, who who did
71:17 he face? Well, he hasn't faced anyone
71:19 that good yet, but he [ __ ] up Michael
71:22 Chandler better than Charles Olivera
71:24 did. It does. And Charles Oluea even
71:26 this what what I was telling you before,
71:28 like when you got 10 losses in your
71:31 record, that's not one, two, three,
71:34 four, five, six. That's 10. Yeah. Like
71:38 when you walk in with a guy that has 10
71:40 loes, the level of confidence is
71:42 completely different. It's completely
71:45 different than when you walk in with a
71:47 guy that it's undefeated, right? He's a
71:49 dangerous guy in the striking, in the
71:51 ground game, everywhere. You you look at
71:54 him, he's a dangerous guy. He never
71:55 tastes a lose. That's a different
71:58 mentality. You got to you're going to
71:59 have to kill him to give up. He's not
72:02 going to even give up. You're going to
72:03 have to kill him. In the case of
72:05 Charles, if he finds some adversity,
72:08 he's going to go to the to to to the
72:10 ground. He's gonna sit and he's gonna be
72:13 waiting like till you you end up the
72:16 fight. This is what I think. This is
72:18 what I feel. This is what I see. That
72:19 was certainly the case early in his
72:21 career. I think things changed with him
72:24 when he had a child. Um then he went on
72:27 that run and became a champion. And like
72:29 when he beat Justin Gai, when he beat
72:32 all those guys, he was he was pretty
72:34 elite, man. He was really [ __ ] good.
72:36 When he beat Chandler, when Chandler had
72:38 beat him up in that first round, he came
72:40 back in the second round and [ __ ] him
72:41 up. Who? Chandler.
72:44 Yeah. Yeah, I know what you're saying. I
72:47 get it. Uh Connor's been tested 11 times
72:50 last year, five the year before, none
72:52 this year. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
72:54 This He was tested this year. No, none
72:56 this year. None this year. That's what
72:58 I'm saying. 11 times last year. Yeah.
73:00 I'm not sure if he's in the testing pool
73:04 anymore. I don't know. I don't know. You
73:08 know, I've heard no plans. You know, the
73:12 UFC would tell me. I would say, "What's
73:14 going on with Connor?" And I don't even
73:16 bring it up anymore. It's I think with
73:18 him it's going to happen like instantly
73:20 if something happens. Well, that's
73:22 crazy. I mean, if he's going to prepare,
73:24 he needs like a real long camp to really
73:28 get his body back to fighting shape,
73:30 like real fighting shape. And he's got
73:32 to remember, you know, what happened
73:34 when he came back from boxing and then
73:36 fought Dustin Porier. It depends who
73:37 he's going to face because if you put
73:40 him against against me, he needs to die
73:43 and be burned again.
73:50 Yeah, I hear
73:54 you. Yeah. If when you when you think
73:57 about like your division when you were
73:59 um the the champion at 145, would he
74:02 have been the fight that you would have
74:03 wanted when he was in his prime at 45?
74:05 Would that be the number one fight that
74:07 you would wanted at 145? For sure. Yeah.
74:10 For sure. My god. For sure. He was a
74:14 dangerous guy in 145. He was so big. He
74:16 was big, dangerous. Yeah, he had that
74:19 knockout power. Smart. Yeah.
74:22 Yeah. One shot knockout power. Yeah. He
74:26 He had that. Yeah. But when he would
74:28 make 145, I remember uh that was back
74:30 when the weigh-ins were literally right
74:34 there. You'd weigh a guy in and then
74:36 they they would cheer in front of the
74:38 crowd. Now the weigh-ins are early and
74:40 it's a ceremonial weigh- in. So when
74:42 Connor would weigh in, he would look
74:44 like death.
74:46 death. Yeah. See if you can find the
74:48 video of the weigh-ins with Conor
74:50 McGregor versus Jose Aldo. He looks like
74:54 he was on a boat in the middle of the
74:56 ocean for 6 months. Like, look at him.
74:59 Look at his face. Wow. Look at his face.
75:02 Look at that one right there with Mike
75:03 Goldberg. Click that one with Mike
75:05 Goldberg right here. Yeah. Click on
75:07 that. My god. Look how [ __ ] skinny he
75:11 looks. Look at his face, his cheekbones.
75:13 He looks like he just got out of like
75:15 some Russian prison. Like, you know what
75:18 I mean, bro? That one on the right is
75:21 insane.
75:22 It's [ __ ] insane. with muscles.
75:25 That's insane. I wonder how much weight
75:27 he lost.
75:30 I think he he he walks around in 185.
75:34 So, he lost 40 pounds before he fought.
75:36 That's crazy.
75:39 He fought also at at the welterweight
75:41 division, right? Yes, he fought uh well
75:43 he fought Donald Cerrone who was really
75:45 not a welterweight either. He was a 155
75:47 pounder, you know, but he wanted to
75:50 fight welterweight when he came back.
75:52 Like when they were talking about
75:52 Chandler, he said he wanted to fight at
75:54 middleweight and Chandler was like,
75:55 "Okay, like but you know, part of me
75:58 wonders like whether he was ever really
76:00 going to come back." You know, it's
76:04 you know what I mean? He's going I
76:05 really think that at some point he's
76:07 going to he's going to come back because
76:09 I don't think that he he he wants to
76:13 leave the sport with a defeat, right?
76:15 This what uh what I don't think I think
76:18 that he's going to come back, try to get
76:21 the win, and then retire in the octagon.
76:24 Well, I'd like to see that. I'd like to
76:25 see him one more time. Um it'd be good
76:28 for him, too, to actually go to a real
76:30 camp and stop partying, you know. will
76:33 be good for him, for his family, for
76:35 everyone, for everyone. But but at some
76:37 point, he's going to stop. He's got a
76:38 lot of legal problems, too. You know,
76:40 there's a lot going on with him in
76:42 Ireland. But he he's running for the
76:44 president. Well, they're talking about
76:45 prosecuting him for old tweets, too.
76:47 Ireland Yeah, Ireland is going crazy
76:50 with their woke [ __ ] with uh with the
76:53 restrictions and censorship. The same
76:55 way the UK is. It's it's really scary
76:57 stuff. But they're prosecuting people
76:59 for tweets. That's crazy. Yeah. England
77:02 arrested like 4,000 people last year for
77:05 posting things on social media. No way.
77:08 Yeah. Yeah.
77:10 What did they say? You don't even have
77:12 to say anything crazy. You know, you
77:14 could just say, "I don't want any more
77:16 immigrants in my country," and they'll
77:17 they'll [ __ ] prosecute you. It's
77:20 really crazy. Wow. Yeah. It's it's
77:22 that's not a freedom. No, it's not at
77:24 all. Free speech. That's it's
77:26 totalitarian government. And it's it's
77:28 scary because it's uh they're they're
77:30 using it to silence people to silence
77:32 people's uh opinions and crazy. Um see
77:36 if you can find what's going on with
77:38 Connor because there was something about
77:39 Conor McGregor possibly being prosecuted
77:42 for social media posts from I believe it
77:45 was
77:47 2023. Some recent posts that he had made
77:50 where they were going to bring them back
77:52 up and prosecute him for it. And he had
77:54 also like the the case with the rabbits
77:56 and all that. Yeah. And I think because
77:58 he wants to run for president, of
78:00 course, then they're going to use the
78:01 law to try to stop him because look,
78:03 he's very popular in Ireland and he
78:06 might win, you know? I mean, if if these
78:08 people think that their country is being
78:09 invaded by to some people from Ireland,
78:12 like what are the odds that Con becomes
78:14 the the president? They told me like
78:17 probably zero. Conor McGregor will not
78:19 face charges over social media posts
78:21 made before and during the Dublin riots.
78:24 Yeah. You know what? They said that
78:26 about Trump, too. That Trump wasn't
78:28 gonna win either. They said Trump wasn't
78:30 Yeah. All the [ __ ] newspapers,
78:31 everything was saying the chances are
78:33 none. No, but I asked to the people. I
78:35 didn't ask. I didn't read the depends on
78:37 who you're talking to, though. Yeah. You
78:39 know, it it really depends on how he
78:41 conducts himself. To him. Oh, to him.
78:44 Okay. Okay. They're like, "No way."
78:47 Yeah. Yeah. Look, he should be fighting
78:50 and he should be fighting while he can
78:51 because you don't want to be 49 years
78:54 old sitting back thinking if you could
78:55 have just won more. Could have got it
78:57 together if I just stopped
79:00 partying. I really think that he's going
79:02 to come back at some point, but we'll
79:03 see. There's also the problem of that
79:05 shin, you know, when a shin snaps like
79:07 that, that's a nobody really comes back
79:09 from that and fights. His body is
79:11 [ __ ] He his toy is fact. His chin is
79:14 fact. his body's [ __ ] with with that
79:18 that much parties and drugs and all
79:20 that. You're going to have to pay that
79:21 price at some point. Yeah. And you are
79:25 you are paying the price with your
79:26 health. Yeah. Which is the dumbest thing
79:28 you can do in in your entire life. It
79:31 is. It is a dumb thing especially for an
79:33 athlete. Exactly. Yeah. He he also
79:37 suffered a lot with the weight cuts.
79:39 That's a a big damage for your body.
79:41 That's also one of the reasons why I
79:43 changed the the weight class because I
79:46 realized that my health is the most
79:48 important thing in in in my life. You c
79:50 you can have everything in in this life,
79:52 but if you are not healthy, you don't
79:54 have anything. Yeah. You you know,
79:56 you're when you're cutting that much
79:58 water out of your body, you're
80:00 essentially getting to death's door.
80:02 You're getting to death's door 24 hours
80:04 before you fight. But you at a world
80:07 championship level, which is crazy.
80:09 You sometimes feel that you're really
80:11 going to
80:12 die. I wasn't able to sleep in 48 hours
80:17 at all because I was so dehydrated. My
80:21 body was so like skinny and I was
80:24 dreaming with water, with food, with
80:26 everything. I was my social media and
80:29 reals everything was about the food foot
80:34 food. Everything was about food. At that
80:37 moment you don't give a [ __ ] about
80:38 anything material about anything. So
80:41 tell me when you start. So if you were
80:43 going to make 145 on Saturday, what is
80:45 your weight cut like or on Friday? What
80:47 is your weight cut like for the week?
80:49 When does it start? And what do you
80:51 weigh before it starts? So okay,
80:53 basically I start a weight cut since the
80:56 first day I started the training camp,
80:58 which is 12 weeks. Really? Yeah. I'm on
81:01 like very strict diet and I have only
81:04 one cheat meal a week on Saturday, on
81:08 Wednesday, whenever I choose it. I have
81:10 just one cheat
81:12 meal. And at the same time, you have to
81:14 perform at the highest level. You have
81:16 to train as a [ __ ] all the time.
81:18 And you have
81:20 like 1,800 calories in your body and you
81:25 burn four 4,000 calories. Wow. So you
81:29 are wasting so much energy but you
81:31 aren't getting
81:32 back a very low. So that [ __ ] with your
81:36 mind right that [ __ ] with your mind
81:38 and you don't feel happiness you feel
81:41 like stressed
81:43 depressed. You don't find the happiness
81:45 in anything. They could bring you all
81:48 the money in the world but you don't
81:50 give a [ __ ] at at that moment in about
81:53 anything material. So, you're doing it
81:55 all through camp, but when you get to
81:57 fight week, what do you what do you
81:59 weigh at? Uh, we do the the the water
82:01 load. I start on Sunday with eight
82:05 liters, and I don't have carbohydrates.
82:08 I don't have any sodium, uh, salts and
82:11 all that. Uh, do you drink distilled
82:14 water? Uh, distilled water. Yeah. Oh,
82:17 distilled. Do you know what I'm saying?
82:18 No, no, no, no. Just just normal water.
82:21 Okay. H I'm not not having
82:23 carbohydrates, uh sodiums and fibers.
82:26 You you say fibers fibras. Yeah, fiber.
82:29 Yeah. I only have fat and and proteins
82:33 in a very small portions. And I drink
82:37 eight liters on on Sunday, then eight
82:40 again on
82:41 Monday, six on Thursday. Wednesday I
82:46 drink four I think. And then on on
82:48 Thursday I don't drink anything till
82:50 Friday till the weightins really. And
82:53 before the weighins I start to
82:56 dehydration the the dehydration like we
82:58 do one session in the
83:01 morning and I have to lose almost from
83:05 two to three kilos and the rest I have
83:08 to I have to lose at at night because I
83:11 always like to go to the bed uh on on
83:14 weight. I don't I don't like to wake up
83:17 in the morning and have to cut the the
83:18 last part in the morning on Friday
83:21 morning. When did you start drinking
83:22 wine before weigh-ins? I did it twice in
83:25 my in my career. It was once in in Las
83:28 Vegas. I was supposed to fight with I
83:30 was fighting with Damon
83:32 Jackson and I
83:35 had I had like
83:38 still six kilos or something like this.
83:41 That's a lot. That's a lot of weight to
83:43 cut. And the guy who was uh taking care
83:46 of my nutrition, he he called us and he
83:50 told me, "Drink wine. Drink half half
83:53 bar of wine." I'm like, "You sure?" Yes.
83:55 He told me because if you drink a liter
83:58 of wine, you're going to wake up the
83:59 next day if you don't put anything else
84:01 in your body with two liters less
84:04 dehydration. Yeah. Because the the the
84:06 alcohol it's going to
84:09 uh procate the dehydration.
84:13 I did it and it
84:15 works. And after that I did it in my
84:18 next fight.
84:19 But then I was like, I don't feel good.
84:22 I don't feel good doing this in the wake
84:27 up. This is kind of crazy. It's fun.
84:30 It's fun because everyone wants to I
84:33 don't know. Everyone is almost dying.
84:36 that that that night I was like partying
84:38 with my team so skinny drinking wine.
84:42 I'm like what the [ __ ] we doing? And
84:45 after one day I have to I have to fa
84:47 face a monster in inside the
84:50 octagon experience in life. And so then
84:54 you weigh in and then what is the
84:56 rehydration process like? And so I I
85:00 used to drink the
85:03 electrolytes until I don't start to pee.
85:06 I don't put any food in my body. I drink
85:10 almost for three four hours in small
85:12 portions. And right now we are so lucky
85:16 that we have the performance institute.
85:19 We have great nutritionist in in in in
85:22 that program that help us to to do it
85:24 from the right way. So I start drinking
85:27 in half liter of of electrolytes for
85:31 example let's say for 20 minutes I have
85:34 to drink that I can drink more then one
85:38 one that 20 minutes passed I have to
85:41 drink the another bottle and like that
85:43 progressively
85:45 and so once you start to pee then you
85:47 allow yourself to eat food. Exactly. And
85:49 what kind of food are you eating?
85:52 Most likely carbohydrates. I don't used
85:54 to eat any proteins because it doesn't
85:58 help you at all to to have a great
86:01 performance in inside the octal, right?
86:04 Because the protein
86:05 doesn't give you
86:08 any how say how to
86:11 say glucosa glucose. Yeah, glucose that
86:15 your body needs at at that time. You
86:18 everything you need it's
86:20 electrolytes and carbohydrates. That's
86:22 all you need. Not even fibers.
86:25 Okay. So, like what kind of food? Like
86:26 pasta? Like that kind of stuff? Pasta.
86:29 How good does that taste after all that
86:30 time, bro? Amazing. Amazing. You You
86:34 could cook the pasta for me that day.
86:36 And I don't know how good you cook, but
86:39 it will be amazing. Amazing. I don't
86:41 care about So, you've gone so long
86:44 without carbohydrates.
86:47 I have like almost a week and a half
86:50 without
86:50 carbohydrates and I'm struggling for 12
86:53 weeks because I have only one cheat
86:55 meal. So once I I finish the cheat meal,
86:58 I know that in one week I'm not going to
87:02 have another cheat meal. So I'm going to
87:04 have to eat whatever they tell me to to
87:06 to eat. Like I wake up, I know that I'm
87:08 going to have two eggs with one slice of
87:11 bread and I'm going to have to train I
87:14 don't know how much in the morning and
87:16 then in the afternoon I'm going to have
87:17 to train again and I'm going to have the
87:19 same food all the time. And the the good
87:23 thing about that is that my
87:26 wife she she was like a very important
87:30 part in my last training camps because
87:33 he made
87:35 my my diet more more fun. You know, I
87:38 didn't had to to repeat the food all the
87:40 time because when I was in charge of
87:42 that, just imagine what I was eating all
87:46 the time the same. All the same. just
87:50 the same boring food just get through
87:51 the month food because I didn't even had
87:53 like the the opportunities that I have
87:56 right now. Right now I have a chef. I
87:58 have I set up my home with everything.
88:01 Everything is so comfortable. But before
88:05 I had to cook for myself, uh go to the
88:08 supermarket doing everything for by
88:11 myself and it was tough. So all the
88:14 foods weighed out, all the calories are
88:16 measured, everything's very systematic.
88:19 Um, so with this extra 10 lbs, how much
88:23 better do you think you'll be able to
88:24 perform inside the octagon? Because I
88:26 would imagine physically that's got to
88:29 take a toll on you. As good as your
88:31 performances were, and they were
88:32 spectacular, but as good as your
88:33 performances were, your body could not
88:36 have been operating at 100%.
88:38 100%. You are going to see me at 155
88:41 that I'm going to touch someone and I'm
88:44 going to take his lights out. Even if I
88:46 I don't need to touch his chin. I just
88:48 touch his head and it will explode. I
88:52 feel so powerful at that weight class.
88:55 So power, so stable in the ground. Like,
88:57 do you want to wrestle? Let's wrestle.
89:00 No problem. And I have the gas tank for
89:03 five days, not five rounds. Do you think
89:05 that a lot of fighters maybe diminish
89:07 their potential by competing at a lower
89:10 weight class for too long? It depends.
89:13 It
89:15 depends. Some of them, yes. Some of them
89:18 know because I think there are guys
89:21 fighting in 145
89:23 that they could fight in 135 because
89:26 they are smaller. They like Josie Aldo.
89:29 Like Jos Aldo. I mean he was one of the
89:31 best ever at 145 and really looks
89:33 fantastic now at 135. Exactly. And says
89:35 this is the first time at 35 in his
89:38 career that he's ever taken nutrition
89:39 seriously and had a diet. But at the
89:41 same time he was a world champion right
89:44 for so long. one of the best and one of
89:46 the best. May May he he would cut the
89:48 weight at 135 and he wouldn't succeed at
89:51 this level, right? Cuz he wouldn't have
89:53 the energy, but Jose Aldo was big at 145
89:56 back in the day. He would struggle to
89:58 make 145 earlier in his career, but I
90:01 just think he wasn't doing it the right
90:02 way like you're doing it. You know, I
90:04 think athletes of today are much more
90:06 systematic about that and they have more
90:08 information about the nutrition. And
90:10 they have we we got more help from the
90:12 performance institute as they told you
90:14 like the UFC performance institute is
90:16 incredible there when when I remember
90:17 when they first opened it I was a little
90:18 skeptical. I'm like who's going to use
90:20 this? What is the big deal? And then I
90:21 went there I was like oh bro okay crazy.
90:23 This is amazing. Without them you
90:26 wouldn't see many of the fights that we
90:28 have seen. A lot of people would miss
90:31 the weight. A lot of people. Yeah. So at
90:35 155 you're going to be able to eat more.
90:38 You're going to be able to train more.
90:39 or you'll be able to recover better.
90:41 Like everything much better. They're
90:44 really taking care of you. I can't wait.
90:47 I can't wait to see it. I can't wait
90:50 either. I can't wait. I want to fight.
90:53 So, take me through like what is a
90:56 typical training week like for you? How
90:58 much strength and conditioning do you
91:00 do? How much uh how much do you
91:03 concentrate on technique? How much do
91:04 you spar?
91:06 Outside or inside the training camp? Um,
91:09 let's go with outside the training camp
91:10 first. So, out outside the training
91:12 camp, I try to develop my skills in
91:14 every discipline. Like I try to to not
91:18 mix it up. I don't train MMA at all. I
91:21 do boxing classes, wrestling classes. I
91:24 try to learn every discipline separate.
91:27 Why do you do that? Because when the
91:30 training camp
91:31 comes, I try to mix it up and polish
91:35 everything that I have been able to to
91:37 learn till that moment. You know what I
91:40 mean? Everything that work worked for me
91:42 in in wrestling and boxing in in in the
91:46 places where I feel comfortable like
91:48 that's why I want to develop all the
91:50 time my my knowledge. I want to get
91:52 better all the time. And I can get
91:54 better if I only go and train MMA and I
91:57 only drill the same things all the time,
91:59 right? My head is like get getting stuck
92:03 getting stuck, you know? I need to learn
92:05 new techniques because I I I think that
92:09 I have much more to learn in every
92:11 discipline. Like in BJJ, you never end
92:14 up learning all the time. You learn new
92:17 things, you see new things, you want to
92:20 try it and it it takes some time. That's
92:23 that technique works for you and and
92:26 when you're rolling with someone for
92:28 example. Right. Right. So yeah, one
92:31 thing is what you know and the other is
92:33 what you do with what you know. How do
92:35 you know how much time to allocate to
92:38 each specific discipline? Because
92:39 something like Brazilian jiu-jitsu, it's
92:41 a neverending journey. Like there's so
92:44 many techniques. It's it's un there's so
92:46 many different combinations of things
92:48 that you could do to a human body when
92:50 you're grappling.
92:51 So the thing about me is like you have
92:54 to decide what kind of style do you want
92:57 to have. Do you want to fight from the
93:01 guard? You you how do you say guard?
93:04 Yeah. You want to pass the guard like
93:06 there are different styles. Right.
93:07 Right. But at some point I I was I was
93:11 like fighting all the time from the
93:13 guard. I was doing like the beating
93:15 balls, baby balls, everything because I
93:19 needed to to feel what the people feels
93:22 when I'm passing the guard, the the
93:24 guard. Yeah. You know what I mean? So,
93:26 the same thing with boxing for example,
93:29 someone has a defensive style. Someone
93:31 has uh aggressive style but from
93:33 distance. Someone needs to cut to to
93:36 distance and work more in in the
93:39 body. So, I don't know. It's
93:43 like it's so difficult to explain
93:46 explain it to you. I know what you're
93:47 saying though. I think one of your most
93:48 impressive performances uh was Josh EMTT
93:52 because in Josh Emtt, he's such a
93:54 powerful puncher. He's such a dangerous
93:56 puncher, but everything he throws you
93:58 has murder on it. Everything. But you
94:01 just kind of slipped and moved with
94:03 everything and just systematically broke
94:05 him down. But you adjusted your style
94:09 for his danger. you adjusted your style
94:11 for him and just dominated the fight. I
94:14 think that was one of the most
94:15 impressive performances because it
94:16 showed how skillful you could be.
94:18 Whereas like imagine if Michael Chandler
94:20 fought Josh EMTT, it would be [ __ ]
94:22 madness. Just madness. Two dudes just
94:25 trying to murder each other just [ __ ]
94:27 throwing haymakers, you know. But what
94:30 you did was you broke down what he was
94:32 doing. You found your openings. You
94:34 started to get your timing. You started
94:36 to figure out, you put all his movements
94:38 into your computer and then you you
94:41 rolled with everything. Everything he
94:43 threw, you rolled with. When he had big
94:45 shots, you you moved with them. All his
94:49 big
94:50 shots were coming with the right hand.
94:52 Like he's the type of guy that ends up
94:56 every combination with the right hand.
94:59 So everything I had to do, it's all the
95:02 time. I didn't have to exchange the
95:04 punches with him. I had to let him throw
95:06 me all the punches, roll his right hand,
95:08 and then start with my combinations. And
95:11 this is what I really did. Like I I was
95:13 hurting him with with with the cuff
95:14 kicks. Then I was going for my
95:16 combinations and long combinations all
95:18 the time. In MMA, no one works the long
95:20 combination combinations. No one. They
95:23 always used to do one, two, one, two,
95:25 three. But no one does one, two, three,
95:27 three, four, five, six.
95:30 You know, and like the J Herbert fight.
95:33 Exactly. Usually you're getting two
95:35 punches, everyone blocks two punches,
95:37 but after the second one, they put the
95:39 hands down again and then is when I go
95:43 again like one, two, one, two, three,
95:44 four, five. Boom. You are not waiting
95:47 for that. And if I change the levels and
95:49 I go in the head and the body, cuff
95:51 kicks, I go for the takedowns, I mix it
95:54 up, you you get crazy. It's interesting
95:57 that you didn't start boxing until you
95:59 were 17 because you're probably the best
96:02 boxer in not just the featherweight
96:05 division, but you might be the best
96:06 boxer in the sport in terms of your
96:08 movement and then your one punch power.
96:11 Your one punch power is pretty [ __ ]
96:13 crazy, which I think you either have or
96:16 you definitely can develop it and it
96:18 definitely is dependent upon technique,
96:20 but either you have power or you don't
96:22 have power. Have you? So, did you always
96:24 notice that like from the very beginning
96:27 when you first started training? I
96:28 always had power. Is that crazy? Yeah,
96:31 it is. It's a God-given thing. God-given
96:33 thing. 100%. I always had that power. I
96:36 remember myself without much technique,
96:39 but I was connecting the punches and
96:41 putting guys to sleep in the trainings.
96:44 And I wasn't that skeptical
96:47 guy, but I had that power. But you were
96:50 smart enough. See, this is the
96:51 difference between like a Josh EMTT
96:52 approach and your approach. You were
96:54 smart enough to realize that, okay, I've
96:56 got this power, but now I need to
96:59 develop laser sharp techniques, of
97:01 course. And I have to be able to find
97:03 the moment. I don't have to just throw
97:05 it and believe that I have the power. If
97:07 I connect it, I put you to sleep. No,
97:09 it's not if I I'm going to connect you
97:11 that punch. I'm going to work for that
97:14 and I'm going to find that specific
97:16 moment to put your lights out. And I
97:19 know with everyone, even if in in 155, I
97:22 know that I'm going I'm going to be able
97:24 to find that find that moment where I'm
97:27 going to be able to connect that one
97:29 punch or two or three punches because
97:31 sometimes it's not only one. I'm able to
97:34 combinate punches. You know, sometimes
97:36 you think that I'm going for your head
97:37 and I'm going my main
97:40 combination is to go to the body and I
97:43 go to to that with that liver shot and
97:46 that hurts also. Oh yeah. Yeah. And
97:49 little by maybe I I I I don't knock you
97:52 out but it takes a lot of cardio from
97:55 you. A lot of moment you start doubting
97:58 in yourself. You you getting like wow.
98:01 If he connects me with this punch in in
98:04 the chin, I'm done. And you're starting
98:07 to to to to doubt and then the doubts
98:11 kill you at the end. Yeah. It's like
98:13 little by little by little. Yeah. It's
98:16 um it's interesting how few guys really
98:18 work the body. Well, that's one thing
98:20 about Jack Dela Matalena is that he's a
98:22 very good body puncher, which is one of
98:24 the things that I think is very
98:25 interesting about this fight with Bal
98:27 Muhammad. He's a dangerous body puncher.
98:29 He's very good at mixing up and down. No
98:32 one uh usually used to attack the body
98:36 in the UFC. I don't know why. So, such a
98:39 beautiful technique to go to go and work
98:41 the body. Not only the head, everyone
98:43 goes for the head. Mhm. But there are
98:45 also weaknesses in the human being's
98:48 body, which is the the body, especially
98:50 with those little MMA gloves, you know,
98:53 everything hard. Yeah. And you're you're
98:55 digging digging into that rib cage. But
98:57 it's just it's interesting how the sport
98:59 evolves. And I think when a guy like you
99:01 comes around that does mix things up so
99:04 well and does have elite boxing, the
99:06 next generation will also copy you. that
99:09 will copy your style, you know, because
99:11 like think about the calf kick. There
99:12 was no calf kicks forever. Forever. I
99:15 don't know when they started with the
99:17 calf kick. Benson Henderson. Benson
99:19 Henderson. Benson Henderson. He was the
99:20 first guy I ever saw do him. He was
99:22 doing a lot. And I remember pointing it
99:24 out like he wasn't doing it as
99:26 effectively where he was like crippling
99:28 guys mo movement, but he was doing it a
99:31 lot. And then I remember when Dustin
99:33 Porier fought Jim Miller, Jim Miller
99:35 almost took him out with calf kicks.
99:37 Like Justin Porier's calf was destroyed
99:39 in that fight and then you know Dustin
99:41 Porier became a really good calf kicker
99:44 after that and then it became
99:45 ubiquitous. Everybody has to have a calf
99:47 kick but it comes from Muay Thai. It
99:49 comes from kickboxing. It comes from It
99:52 sort of does but in Muay Thai they don't
99:54 throw it very often. It's not a common
99:57 technique in kickboxing or Muay Thai
99:59 which is interesting. It's not as common
100:01 as it is in MMA. Not so much. It's like
100:04 a jab but for the legs.
100:06 job. It also cripples your movement
100:08 which is terrible because you can't
100:10 punch as hard because you don't have a
100:11 left leg anymore or right leg depending
100:13 on what's forward. And at the same time
100:14 it distracts you a lot, right? You know
100:17 what I mean? It hurts so much. Yeah. It
100:19 hurts. It distracts you. You have to you
100:21 you don't only have to think about the
100:23 hands, you have to think about also
100:24 about the kicks. Well, Izzy said that
100:26 when he lost to Alex Pereira the first
100:28 fight in in the UFC, he said he wasn't
100:30 hurt that bad with the punches. He said
100:32 he couldn't move. He said his leg was so
100:35 destroyed. He said my leg my left leg
100:37 was so compromised I couldn't move. And
100:39 then in the second fight when Alex when
100:41 he knocked Alex out in the first round,
100:43 he said my leg was [ __ ] already. He's
100:46 like he was getting me again. He's so
100:48 sneaky with that calf kick cuz he throws
100:50 it. He's got that weird style. He stands
100:52 he and he just kind of throws it out
100:54 there and you don't even see it coming
100:56 because he's not twisting his hips. He's
100:58 not and it's still he hits so hard that
101:00 he doesn't have to turn his body weight
101:02 into it. and he's still [ __ ] you up.
101:04 And at the same time, he had that muscle
101:06 memory. He was like, "If he starts with
101:09 the calf cake, I'm going to be fucked."
101:12 Yeah. He He said that to me. He's like
101:13 at the end of the round, I was like,
101:14 "Oh, this [ __ ] did it again. I
101:16 can't believe he got me again." He's
101:18 like, "My leg was fucked." And then he
101:20 caught him with that right hand. What's
101:21 your alltime favorite fighter to watch
101:23 in the UFC?
101:26 Boy, I don't think I have one. I don't
101:28 think I have one. It's just top five.
101:32 Well, you're in there. You're in the top
101:33 five. Really? Yeah. For real. Joe,
101:38 for real. Yeah, definitely. I mean, how
101:41 could you not be? You knocked out two
101:43 Hall of Famers. Two of the all-time
101:45 greats. Vulcganowski and Max Holloway
101:47 are alltime greats. Two of the greatest
101:50 featherweight champions. So, if you're a
101:51 great featherweight champion, you're the
101:53 greatest in a division that probably
101:56 has, if not the most skill. There's like
101:59 there's an argument for the most skill.
102:00 I think it's 45 and 55. I think those
102:02 are the two divisions that have the most
102:04 skill. Yeah. So to be a a champion at 45
102:06 or 55, you're a champion in the most
102:09 skillful weight class. Like look at 45.
102:13 So many [ __ ] killers at 45 now. Like
102:16 look at what Jean Silva just did to
102:17 Bryce Mitchell and he wasn't even
102:19 ranked. Yeah. You know, I mean this
102:21 guy's a [ __ ] man. You know, and
102:23 these guys are coming up and they're so
102:25 goddamn good. And Yay Rodriguez, you
102:27 know, you got these guys that are so
102:29 skillful. You got so much talent. I
102:31 don't know what to tell you about Gyra
102:32 because I'm not a big fan of him. Yer.
102:34 Yeah. No. How come? No. No. I don't
102:37 know. I I see I see him. He's the type
102:41 of guy that you don't even need to take
102:42 him down. He goes to the ground by
102:45 himself. I don't know. He's like very
102:47 spectacular at the way he fights and the
102:50 striking and the kicks he throws and all
102:53 that.
102:54 But I don't know. I'm not a big fan of
102:56 him. I'm fan of Wulk and Max Holloway.
103:00 Well, actually they were the smartest
103:03 guy smartest guys that I ever faced
103:05 inside the octagon. I felt that they
103:07 were smart. They had that fight IQ. They
103:10 they know how to fight. Do you think Max
103:11 Holloway made a mistake in going up to
103:13 55 and then back down to 45 again cuz he
103:16 got big when he fought? 100%. Yeah, I
103:18 think so too. 100%. Yeah, he he looked
103:21 too compromised. He looked he didn't
103:23 look healthy at 45. He get crazy for the
103:25 title shot. He was like, "Take the
103:28 gold." Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
103:32 Yeah. I mean, I understand it. I get it.
103:34 I understand it. And the guy who was the
103:37 145 lb champion, he knew it'd be hard to
103:39 make the weight, but he felt like he
103:40 could do it. But the thing is, he he
103:42 gained so much muscle to get to 55 to
103:44 fight Gachi. And he did it over a long
103:46 period of time where he really bulked up
103:48 well. But at the same time, I don't
103:51 know if he wouldn't try it, he would
103:55 stay for life like with the doubt that
103:58 if I Yeah. Yeah. So, another one is
104:01 Pereira just because what he's done
104:03 inside the octagon is so crazy. Two
104:06 division world champion is a short
104:07 period of time and hadn't been fighting
104:10 MMA for but three or four years. Crazy.
104:13 It was crazy. And it's also what he does
104:15 when he hits people. They like what he
104:17 did to um well I mean but basically what
104:20 he does to everybody when he connects I
104:22 mean his his power is just different
104:25 than what he did to Jamal Hill one left
104:27 hook boom and Jamal Hill who's good at
104:29 taking a shot all of a sudden he's gone
104:32 you know he's just there's some Yuri
104:34 Prohaska that fight like the the second
104:36 fight it's crazy crazy he just like he
104:39 hits you one time it's like that was
104:40 with a with a headkick right uh headkick
104:43 in the second round but dropped him with
104:45 a left hook he was basically on after
104:46 the first round cuz it was at the
104:47 buzzer. He hit him with a left hook and
104:49 then he drops and then the bell rings.
104:51 Um, and then he knocks him out with a
104:53 head kick in the second round, but he
104:56 he's just got this crazy style that's
105:00 different than anybody else's style. And
105:02 he's such a specialist, such a
105:04 kickboxing specialist. Two division
105:06 world champion in glory and then goes on
105:08 and becomes a two division special. And
105:11 37, you know, he's older. He's an older
105:14 guy, you know, to be fighting at such an
105:16 elite level, you know. Jon Jones,
105:19 definitely. Jon Jones, one of the
105:21 greatest of all time. I mean, and John,
105:24 what do you think about he's going to
105:25 come back? He's going to fight Tom. Yes.
105:27 I think he'll fight Tom. I think he'll
105:29 hang out. You don't think so? No.
105:31 Really? I don't think so. How come?
105:36 For
105:37 what? For glory. He already has the
105:40 glory. Yeah. One more glory before the
105:43 lights fade. Yeah. Yeah. I think John's
105:46 a conqueror. I think he is. I think he
105:49 sit back. He's the best of of all time.
105:51 No one can say say the the opposite of
105:55 that. He he he's the best. Look, the guy
105:58 developed a spinning back kick at 36.
106:03 didn't have a spinning back kick his
106:05 whole career and all a sudden knocks out
106:06 Stipe with a spinning back kick for the
106:08 heavyweight title at 36 37 years old.
106:11 That's crazy. And uh they showed me a
106:14 video the three days ago, four days ago,
106:17 John before the fight with Steve, he was
106:20 practicing that kick at the day of uh of
106:23 the fight. Yes. And he said something
106:25 like, "This is the kick. I'm going to
106:27 knock him out with this kick." And the
106:30 guy showed me the video. That's crazy.
106:32 Well, John's fight IQ is insane. Insane.
106:35 Insane. Insane. He's a smart he's a
106:38 smart guy. And did a lot of his career
106:42 partying, which is even crazier. Like
106:44 diminish his body. Did co like one of
106:46 the things he said to Daniel cocaine,
106:48 Daniel Cormier, rather, which is one of
106:49 the uh coldest things anybody's ever
106:52 said. He said, "I beat you when I was on
106:53 Coke."
106:57 That's such a cold blooded thing to say.
107:00 It's so cold blooded. It's so cold
107:02 blooded. Crazy. He's so crazy. He was so
107:04 good. But he was so good. He was better
107:06 than everybody in his division, so he
107:08 didn't work hard. But then when he has
107:10 to work hard, he's [ __ ] terrifying.
107:12 Like when he fought Alexander Gustoson,
107:14 barely trained. They said he barely
107:16 trained. Barely was in the gym. They
107:18 they were really worried about him. They
107:19 were Greg Jackson said they were even
107:21 considering not letting him fight.
107:22 They're like, "You shouldn't be
107:22 fighting. You're not training." Yeah.
107:24 And then he he guts it out in the final
107:27 rounds, wins the decision, very close
107:29 fight. Then they have a rematch. And in
107:31 the rematch, he's [ __ ] trained. Yeah.
107:34 And then he just destroyed him in the
107:35 rematch. The first fight was very
107:37 competitive. Second one. Yeah. He
107:39 dominated. Not competitive at all. Yeah.
107:41 When Jon is focused and Jon is in shape
107:43 and training, he's the greatest of all
107:45 time. I think he fights Aspenol because
107:48 I think it's going to be a lot of money.
107:49 It's it's it's glory. And look, Aspenol
107:53 is amazing. He's unbelievable. He's fast
107:56 as [ __ ] for a heavyweight. He's big. He
107:59 can grapple. Black belt and jiu-jitsu.
108:01 He's got knockout power. But he's never
108:03 been in deep
108:04 water ever. I don't even know if he's
108:07 gone to a second round. I don't want to
108:08 say that he he doesn't have any chance
108:12 because everyone has it. One punch can
108:15 change everything in in in inside the
108:18 octagon. Of course, we everyone think
108:21 that Jon Jones is gonna gonna get it,
108:23 but you can't count count him out at at
108:26 all the Tom Aspina, but I don't think
108:28 that he's gonna come back. Me
108:29 personally, do you think what is this
108:32 here? One time Andrek took him to the
108:34 second round. That's it. Oh, really?
108:38 Wow. I don't even remember that. And
108:40 then he TKO'ed him. That was four years
108:42 ago. That's kind of crazy if you look at
108:44 his career. It's all one and two. And
108:46 then in Bama, he had a two two round
108:49 fight. That's great, but it's also not
108:52 great because he doesn't have any deep
108:53 water experience. You know, if you're
108:55 fighting a guy like imagine if he fought
108:58 Stipe when Stipe was in his prime or he
109:00 fought
109:01 Kane, you can't have one round fights
109:05 and expect to beat Kane Velasquez in a
109:08 five round war because the chances are
109:10 you're not going to catch him in the
109:11 first round and he's gonna his cardio is
109:14 just like an alien. Yeah, but at the
109:17 same time, you don't know how how he's
109:19 going to look at the fourth and fifth
109:21 round. He might be great. Might he might
109:23 be great. Sure, he might be great, but
109:25 he doesn't have that experience. So, in
109:27 his head, you've got to think there's
109:29 got to be some no matter how confident
109:31 he is, there's got to be a couple
109:33 questions if you've never been like Jon
109:35 has no questions, right? There's no
109:36 questions in Jon Jones's head. He's gone
109:38 through five round wars like the
109:40 Gustoson fight. Five round war, no
109:42 training wins. He knows that he's got
109:45 what it takes. He's got heart. It's It's
109:48 undeniable. So, there's no questions.
109:50 But with Aspenol, it's like, yeah, he
109:52 can get everybody out of there. He's got
109:53 the confidence that he gets everybody
109:55 out of there. That's for sure. Like,
109:57 he's got the confidence if he connects.
109:58 He's so fast and athletic for a
110:01 heavyweight. And he's a legitimate
110:02 heavyweight. Like Tom Aspenol is not
110:04 making 205. He's big. He is big. He's a
110:07 big [ __ ] He's big. So for him, you
110:11 know, it's But Jon Jones is special.
110:13 He's special. He is special and he has
110:15 that fight IQ. He's not that type of guy
110:17 that he walks in and you, for example, I
110:21 don't know, Francis Ninganu, you know
110:24 that he he got that one punch power.
110:27 Mhm. But he doesn't have the same level
110:29 of fight IQ as Jon Jones, right? You
110:33 know what I mean? with Jon is like if he
110:35 feels that you are dangerous in the
110:37 striking, he's going to grab your legs,
110:40 try to mold you a little bit in the
110:41 ground. Then if you go in the second
110:43 round with him in the striking, you're
110:45 going to be tired. He also beats the
110:47 [ __ ] out of your knees. That front leg
110:49 side kick to the knee, the oblique kick
110:51 to the knee. He's a bad guy. He wants to
110:53 hurt you. He's trying to [ __ ] you up. He
110:55 He doesn't care to go with the elbow,
110:57 with the knee. He wants to hurt you.
110:59 John, when you know when he fought uh
111:01 Thiago, Thiago Santos, at the end of
111:04 that fight, Thiago needed two knee
111:06 surgeries. Both of his knees were
111:07 destroyed and he was basically never the
111:09 same fighter since ever after that
111:10 fight. What happened with that guy? I
111:12 never saw him. Never ever. Well, he
111:14 fought again after that and he left the
111:15 UFC. But his his knees were never the
111:18 same. He had multiple knee surgeries
111:20 after that fight. Crazy. Both of his
111:22 knees got kicked out. I mean, he was
111:24 front leg sidekicking the [ __ ] out of
111:26 his knees. And what about you used to
111:28 train sometimes? MMA, jiu-jitsu. What?
111:30 Mostly jiu-jitsu. I did Muay Thai. Yeah,
111:33 but I started in taekwond do and then I
111:35 started I would love to share some
111:37 training with you. I would love to share
111:39 some training with you, too. I want to
111:40 see what you do, man. I watched you uh
111:42 grapple with Morab. I was super
111:44 impressed. Yeah. I watched a video you
111:45 grapple. I'm like, anybody that could do
111:47 that to Morab. Like, holy [ __ ] Cuz
111:49 people think about you. They're scared
111:50 of your striking. But one of the things,
111:53 well, like you opened up a lot of
111:55 people's eyes in the Ryan Hall fight
111:57 because Ryan Hall was this weird puzzle.
112:00 He was like this elite Brazilian
112:01 jiu-jitsu black belt who do a lot of
112:03 strange things like he would like turn
112:04 his back to people and do weird things.
112:07 He'll hook BJ Penn like that in the
112:09 first round like with that I role. Yeah.
112:12 But when you dominated him like that, I
112:15 was like Jesus Christ. And then you put
112:17 his lights out, I was like wow. Because
112:20 people think when people see a guy who
112:21 can strike like you do, they kind of
112:23 forget about the ground game. You know,
112:26 they forget that your ground game is
112:28 very elite, too, you know, which is
112:30 really interesting because you you you
112:33 tend to put people in categories of
112:34 danger, but with you it's all danger.
112:37 Like you you're you have a a very
112:39 wellbalanced game, you know, which is
112:42 unusual. Like Pereira, for instance,
112:44 doesn't have a balanced game. you know,
112:46 his game is he's going to connect and
112:48 you're going to wake up, you know,
112:50 that's that's all it is. His his game is
112:51 kickboxing, but your game is like it's
112:54 everything. It's all over the place, you
112:56 know, like the Bryce Mitchell fight.
112:57 It's it's everywhere. It's stand up.
112:59 It's the ground. It's comprehensive.
113:01 It's like George St. Pierre when he was
113:03 in his prime. It was coming from all
113:04 different angles. You never knew if he
113:06 was going to take you down. You didn't
113:07 know if he was going to strike with you.
113:08 It was all your mind was overwhelmed
113:11 with possibilities, which is, in my
113:13 opinion, what I like to watch. That's
113:15 what I like the most. A guy who can do
113:17 everything. I love specialists. I love
113:19 like Damen Maya because when Damen Mia
113:22 would get you, who'd he clinch you?
113:23 Like, oh, you're [ __ ] Back, you're
113:25 [ __ ] To this day, the one fight that
113:27 drives me the most crazy where a referee
113:29 [ __ ] it up was Kamaro Usman and Damen
113:32 Mia. Cuz in the first round, Damen Mia
113:35 had Camaro Usman's back standing up, had
113:38 one leg laced, had his back, but it was
113:41 taking too long and the referee
113:42 separated them. And I'm like, you
113:45 [ __ ] He's so close. He's so
113:48 close. This is it. Look at this [ __ ]
113:52 Like Camaro Usman's in deep [ __ ] here.
113:54 He's in deep [ __ ] here. And the referee
113:57 [ __ ] separated
113:59 him. This is crazy. He's doing this.
114:03 This referee This drives me nuts. Go
114:05 back it up a little bit. Back it up a
114:07 little bit because it's before this.
114:09 It's before this. So like when once he
114:13 finally secures it go a little bit
114:14 before
114:16 that. A little bit before a little bit
114:18 before little bit before.
114:20 Maybe do it do it right from the moment
114:22 where they they clinch up. Okay. Right
114:26 here. So as soon as he clinches up and
114:28 he ties that leg as soon as he gets his
114:31 hands together. Camaro is in deep [ __ ]
114:32 right here. Deep [ __ ] Camaro has one
114:35 loss on his record and that's by rear
114:37 naked choke. And now he's grappling with
114:40 one of the best to ever do it. To this
114:43 day, this [ __ ] me up. This is one of
114:45 the reasons why I hate when they
114:46 separate fighters. I hate when they
114:49 stand people up and I hate when they
114:50 separate fighters. This is a huge
114:52 mistake here by this referee because
114:54 you've got one of the greatest ground
114:56 specialists of all time. Do do you think
114:59 that he was the most dangerous guy in in
115:01 the ground? Yes. In in his in his prime.
115:04 In his prime, he he dominated people.
115:06 Oh. Oh god. This is so close, man.
115:09 Camaro's in real trouble here. The way
115:11 his arm is compromised behind his back.
115:13 He's [ __ ] here. You got to get out of
115:15 this. You can't get separated just cuz
115:18 the crowd's booing. The referee's like
115:21 too involved. Get the [ __ ] out of there.
115:23 Get out of there and let him work
115:25 because if he gets to the ground
115:28 tomorrow might be [ __ ] here. And
115:30 there's two minutes to work. There's
115:32 plenty of time to this day. That drives
115:34 me nuts. He's doing something very
115:36 interesting there with the with the
115:38 butterfly. Yes. With that left
115:39 butterfly. Yeah. He's constantly keeping
115:41 you off base. And you know that if you
115:44 make any mistakes here, that right hook
115:46 is coming over. The arm's coming over
115:47 the top. As soon as he lets go Yes. So,
115:50 as soon as he lets go of that arm, that
115:52 arm that he's got trapped, that arm that
115:53 he's got trapped with his over with uh
115:55 his left arm, as soon as Kamaru is if he
115:59 gets that arm over the top of the
116:01 shoulder, Camaro's [ __ ] man. This is
116:02 a terrible spot to be. And for the
116:04 referee to separate them and not let him
116:06 work. I was talking to Matt Sarah about
116:08 it the other day and he was like, "Yes,
116:10 he [ __ ] them." Yeah, he [ __ ] him.
116:13 They did. They [ __ ] him. Then Camaro
116:15 wins this fight and then, you know, I
116:18 watched this fight. The world changes.
116:20 It changes because this could have been
116:22 a loss and then Camaro could have been
116:23 back to the drawing board. It's a bad
116:25 situation to be in with a ground. See,
116:27 look. Now he has this advantage of being
116:29 able to stand up again. like why why
116:31 does he have this advantage? Why why you
116:34 should be back where you were? There's
116:36 no reason to separate those guys.
116:38 Referee mistakes are crazy. You know,
116:41 like there's there's moments in fights
116:45 where referees make mistakes where a
116:48 fighter's whole career just changes,
116:51 just flashes before their eyes. The
116:53 other day also something happened in the
116:55 in in the paper in in the car with with
116:57 Dan Eager. Yes. Yes. I don't know why he
117:00 stopped the fight and yes that that was
117:02 a bad decision too. That was bad as
117:04 well. Same thing. Sean Woodson. Yeah, I
117:07 think he would win the fight anyways,
117:10 but he didn't had to stop the fight. It
117:13 was a bad stoppage. It was a bad
117:14 stoppage. Yeah. Yeah, there's bad
117:16 stoppages, Matt. I mean, it happens. It
117:18 happened to Jared Canineer. Jared
117:19 Cananeer had a bad stoppage. Uh I guess
117:22 uh who was that against? Was it Emov?
117:26 The worst
117:28 tappage, the Robbie Lawler against Ben
117:30 Ascarin. Oh yeah, that was the worst.
117:32 That was the worst one. That was the
117:34 worst one. They thought he was out and
117:35 he wasn't out. I was so excited for that
117:37 fight. Robbie was beating the [ __ ] out
117:39 of him too before that headlock. Yeah,
117:41 that was terrible. That was a bad
117:42 stoppage. Yeah, there's been some bad
117:44 stuff. But you know, look, the referees
117:46 have the second hardest job in the
117:48 sport. The first hardest job in the
117:51 sport. Yeah, here it is. This is Jared
117:54 Cananeer and Amov. So he gets Look at
117:56 that right there. That's crazy. That's a
117:58 crazy stoppage. He stopped the fight.
118:00 Why? Yes. No. Yeah. Look at this. He got
118:02 hurt. He got hurt, but he's covering up.
118:04 And by the way, Jared Caner can [ __ ]
118:07 take it, man. He comes back. Jared Caner
118:11 came back against Rodriguez in his last
118:13 fight. He was hurt way worse than this.
118:15 And he came back to score a knockout.
118:17 But that was a crazy stoppage. It just,
118:21 you know, like I said, referees have the
118:23 second hardest job. Fighters have the
118:25 first hardest job. Second hardest job is
118:27 being a referee. Because those moments
118:29 when you make a decision like ah, you
118:32 can't take it back. The fight's over.
118:34 That's true. It's terrible. It's hard to
118:36 be a referee. Yeah, it is. And then
118:38 there's the judging. Some judges. The
118:41 judging. Yeah. How do they also
118:43 Something that drives me crazy. It's
118:45 like,
118:47 how do they keep having the same bad
118:50 judges come back again? That's what's
118:52 crazy because the UFC has no control of
118:54 the judges. The judges are all
118:56 established by the athletic commissions.
118:57 Yeah. So sometimes you get great judging
119:00 and it's like, "Oh, the judges are good
119:01 tonight. These are good decisions." And
119:03 sometimes you get, "What the [ __ ] is
119:05 going on?" Yeah. Sometimes judges are
119:07 horrible. There's horrible. Doesn't make
119:10 any sense. You never know if they
119:13 give you more points for wrestling, for
119:15 striking, for defending, right? It's
119:18 crazy. Well, some judges just aren't
119:20 qualified, right? They don't have a
119:21 martial arts experience. They don't they
119:23 don't have a background, you know? They
119:25 just learned how to judge that. You
119:27 can't I don't think you can do that.
119:29 It's like I don't speak Spanish, but if
119:31 you taught me some Spanish and then I
119:33 was judging Spanish, would I with you
119:36 know what I'm saying? Like crazy. I'm
119:37 not qualified, right? You are not,
119:39 right? So, if you have a guy who doesn't
119:42 really understand who's got the dominant
119:44 position, like maybe you see a [ __ ]
119:46 guillotine that has no chance, it's not
119:48 like they never fought. It's they not
119:50 even never trained. Right. Exactly. Most
119:53 of them. I remember early on in the UFC,
119:56 one of the judges
119:59 turned to one of the uh people next to
120:03 this person. It was a woman. She turns
120:05 to this person. He goes, "What is he
120:07 doing?" No way. Yeah. Yeah. What is he
120:10 doing? Someone was trying to get a
120:12 kamura and she's like, "What is he
120:13 doing?" She didn't know what a kamura
120:15 was. So, how did they get there? They
120:17 were boxing judges. So, the boxing
120:19 judges, they started using them for MMA
120:22 fights with no martial arts experience
120:24 at all. Never never stepped on the mat,
120:27 never put in a mouthpiece, never got
120:29 punched in the face.
120:32 That's crazy. That's crazy. They don't
120:33 know how it works. And it's they're
120:35 judging at a professional world
120:37 championship level at the highest level.
120:39 It's crazy. It's crazy. I think they
120:41 should have more judges. Let Let me ask
120:43 you something. What do you think was the
120:45 the decay of success of the UFC? Like it
120:48 was Dana White, it was the matchmakers,
120:50 it was the fighters, it was the
120:54 promotion. What it was? I think the big
120:56 thing was the Ultimate Fighter. I think
120:58 everybody kind of agrees with that. The
121:00 Ultimate Fighter reality show. What what
121:02 made the UFC huge was that first season
121:05 of the reality show because this was
121:07 2005. So reality shows were really
121:10 popular back then. this is, you know,
121:12 Survivor and Fear Factor and there's all
121:14 these reality shows and Big Brother and
121:16 so they had this reality show that
121:18 people are watching with fighters and
121:19 then they have the finale and in the
121:22 finale Forest Griffin fights Stephan
121:24 Bonner and it's such a crazy fight that
121:26 people are just to telling their friends
121:28 the the the ratings were going up as the
121:31 fight went on and you know the Fertittas
121:34 the people that owned the UFC before
121:36 this uh current company they were in the
121:38 hole $40
121:40 million and they just kept losing money
121:43 and they said, "Listen, this is the last
121:44 they were going to sell the UFC at one
121:46 point in time." And then they got to
121:48 this point where they're like, "Look,
121:50 let's just try this one more thing.
121:51 Let's just try this one more thing." And
121:53 they they did this this reality show and
121:56 the reality show worked. And then 2005
121:58 and then they had Chuck Liddell. And
122:00 Chuck Liddell was the perfect poster boy
122:02 for this new cage fighting thing. This
122:04 [ __ ] maniac with a mohawk and a
122:07 tattoo on his head and he's just
122:08 crushing everybody, you know? He was a
122:10 perfect guy because the fights were so
122:12 exciting and he had this insane style.
122:15 This insane almost like Michael Chandler
122:17 style but better. Entertaining style.
122:20 Very very entertaining. Just warrior. He
122:22 was a good boxer. Good striker. Fast
122:25 hands. Yeah. Fast hands. Vicious
122:27 knockout power. And he was a wrestler,
122:29 but he didn't wrestle anybody. He was a
122:31 heavyweight. Light heavyweight. Yeah.
122:32 Big guy. Yeah. He was light heavyweight.
122:34 Big guy. KO's people with one punch and
122:37 you know it was perfect for the sport
122:39 because like he was so exciting and he
122:41 looked the part. He was like a maniac
122:42 and after we'd win he'd go and run
122:45 around the cage. It was so exciting. So
122:47 exciting. He was the poster boy. He was
122:50 the guy. He was the guy that put the
122:52 sport on the map because people would
122:53 watch him and they go gez. Yeah. That
122:55 time timeline of MMA was so fun with
122:58 Rampage Jackson also. Oh yeah. And then
123:00 when Rampage KO'ed him, you know, he
123:02 became the man and you know, and then
123:04 Jon Jones comes along and you know, it's
123:07 like the sport. That's what's crazy
123:09 about John, right? Jon's been dominant
123:11 now for like what 15 16 years. Yeah.
123:15 That's nuts, man. That's why I I say
123:17 he's the best. He's the goat. He's the
123:19 goat. He's the goat. I don't know how
123:21 how they don't put him as the number one
123:23 poundfor-pound. He's the number one
123:24 pound for pound. You know, it's just
123:25 because he doesn't fight as often as
123:27 Islam. You know, Islam has defended his
123:30 title more recently, more often against
123:33 top flight competition, whereas John is,
123:34 you know, John takes a year off, does a
123:36 year off here, a year off there. But
123:39 when you look at the overall record, the
123:41 overall career, he's the greatest of all
123:43 time. But when I when I talk about like
123:46 just technique, you got to listen, you
123:49 got to think about Mighty Mouse, too,
123:50 man. Mighty Mouse in his prime was a bad
123:53 [ __ ] man. He would do [ __ ] to
123:55 guys like s when he suplexed Ray Borg
123:57 and caught him with an armbar in the
123:58 middle of the air and finished him. You
124:01 don't think so? I see your face. I see
124:03 your face. No, no, no. It's not like But
124:06 I don't
124:08 know. I never was a big fan of him. No.
124:12 No. Never.
124:14 I think when you call yourself a Mickey
124:17 Mouse, mighty Mighty Mouse Mighty
124:20 Mouse. So, I always thought that he was
124:23 a Mickey Mouse. I'm like, "Bro, how the
124:25 [ __ ] you calling yourself a Mickey
124:27 Mouse?" No, he was a good fighter. He
124:30 was a good fighter. He was a very
124:31 technical fighter. He dominated the
124:33 whole division. How many times he
124:34 defended his belt? Like, many times. 14
124:37 times. Many times. He [ __ ] a lot of
124:39 people up. But then there's an issue
124:43 where the quality of the competition in
124:45 the 125 pound division back then was not
124:48 at the level that it is now. Like
124:50 Pantosia, he's a bad [ __ ] I
124:53 would have loved to see Aleandre
124:55 Pantosia versus Mighty Mouse in their
124:57 prime. Pantosia is a [ __ ] animal,
124:59 man. That guy's a [ __ ] animal.
125:01 There's a guy coming up in
125:05 125. He fought in the last pay-per-view
125:08 in London. His last name is Kavana in
125:11 125. He's going to be a problem in that
125:13 division. He's very skillful fighter.
125:15 Well, I think like all weight classes,
125:18 um, now you have the best fighters of
125:20 all time because we see guys from the
125:24 Dana White Contender Series now that are
125:26 coming along that that enter into the
125:28 UFC for their first fight. And you see
125:30 these guys like, Jesus Christ, this guy
125:32 looks like he has 15 pro fights in the
125:34 UFC. They look elite. You know, that
125:36 that's a cool program. Also, a Dana
125:38 White Contender Series. That's something
125:40 cool because they have some story behind
125:43 them before they get to the UFC. Mhm.
125:45 And that's cool. And actually they make
125:48 a good matchmaker matchmaking also to
125:51 for that fight. I I like to see
125:54 sometimes Dana White contenders series
125:56 within some fight nights. Yeah. You get
125:59 to see guy Well, that's where we found
126:00 Sugar Shawn Omali. you get to see guys
126:03 uh I prefer that to the Ultimate Fighter
126:05 because I don't want to watch all the in
126:07 the house [ __ ] and all the games
126:09 that they play. I don't care about all
126:11 that. I don't care. I just want to see
126:12 him fight. Not anymore. But before it
126:14 was very entertaining in the beginning.
126:17 In the early days, but the I mean now
126:18 they're on like season 2000. Like who
126:21 [ __ ] there's been so many seasons
126:22 like I can't even keep track. I forget
126:24 who won you know there's so many
126:25 seasons. But the my point is that the
126:29 caliber of new guys when they're just
126:32 entering the like Mauricio Rufi, perfect
126:35 example. Yeah. You see this guy first
126:37 fight in the UFC lightweight, right?
126:39 Yeah. He's [ __ ]
126:41 huge. You see this guy first fight in
126:43 the UFC, you're like, whoa, this guy is
126:46 elite already. You know, same thing with
126:48 Jean Silva. Elite already. Like these
126:50 guys, they're entering into the sport at
126:52 a very Carlos Pates, same thing. like
126:54 right away like you're seeing like a
126:56 very high level right away and uh I just
127:00 think that because there's so many guys
127:02 like you to watch there's so many guys
127:05 like you know Hamzad and all these
127:07 people you get to see elite
127:10 talent. So these young fighters that are
127:13 coming up they have a higher level they
127:16 yeah a higher level to aspire to. That's
127:19 true. Now like the the sport is growing
127:22 that the talents are better than before.
127:25 Yeah. Because the the sport has
127:27 developed so much that right now you
127:29 have so much experience. You can learn
127:31 so much about the game. Like even in
127:33 YouTube, you go on YouTube, you can
127:35 learn everything by yourself. I think in
127:37 the future guys like you will be
127:41 everywhere. There will be only guys like
127:43 you at world championship level. I don't
127:45 think there'll be any specialists
127:46 anymore. I think there'll be guys who
127:48 are elite everywhere. everywhere. This
127:50 is what what I was saying like all the
127:53 time. Now it's time for the new
127:56 generation. What's the new generation?
127:58 That if you want to want to be the best,
127:59 you have to be the best in everywhere
128:02 the the fight the fight takes the place
128:05 in the ground and the wrestling and the
128:07 striking. You have to be good everywhere
128:08 because that's how how the sport is de
128:10 developing right now. Because before
128:15 before you were good only uh in
128:17 wrestling you would take people down and
128:20 no problem you you you could become a
128:22 world champion but right now so tough so
128:26 tough the competition all the time is
128:28 higher and higher and higher and there's
128:31 more knowledge in the in the sport.
128:33 Yeah, there really is. It's um it's very
128:37 inspiring and it's very interesting
128:38 because there's no other sport where you
128:40 could go back and look at it from
128:43 1993 to 2025 and it's almost like a
128:47 completely different sport. The the
128:48 athletes are so much better than they
128:50 were. I mean, even from like 2000, go
128:52 back to 2000 and watch the sport and
128:54 then watch it today. At least in the
128:56 UFC,
128:58 it changed a lot. A lot everything. Even
129:01 the production. Oh, yeah. Everything.
129:03 everything changed everything. I mean
129:06 it's uh it's so it's so interesting
129:08 because it's the one sport also that
129:12 translates it translates to all
129:14 languages like everybody understands it
129:16 but UK is so special that because you
129:18 saw the sport growing since since
129:21 nothing and you saw so many great fights
129:24 in front of you. Yeah I'm very lucky
129:26 man. Yeah that's I feel very fortunate.
129:28 What about what about you? Like do you
129:30 have a plan where you want to retire or
129:32 you are just enjoying and you love what
129:34 you're doing? Because I I I think that
129:37 it's a I don't know. You are enjoying a
129:39 lot. Yeah. I just enjoy it. I don't
129:41 think about retiring. No. No. If Dana
129:43 White quits, I might quit. But that's
129:45 it. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually in my
129:47 contract. No. Yeah. If he leaves, I
129:50 leave. Yeah. So, in my contract, if he
129:52 leaves, I don't have to stay.
129:55 Why that? Something personal. I wouldn't
129:58 be doing it if it wasn't for him. Yeah.
130:00 Yeah. He's my friend. He talked me into
130:02 doing it. I mean, I started working for
130:04 the UFC before him. I started working
130:06 for the UFC in 1997. Uh when it was
130:08 nothing that nobody was watching. It was
130:11 we did it at a a small like a high
130:13 school auditorium in Dothan, Alabama.
130:16 You had to take a propeller plane to get
130:17 there.
130:18 Like [ __ ] scary ass planes. And u
130:22 that was the first time Vtor fought.
130:24 Okay. I was actually training at the
130:26 same gym as Vtor when Vtor made his
130:28 debut. Vtor was 19 years old and uh we
130:30 were at Carlson Gracie. Start very
130:32 young. Yeah. Yeah. We were at Carlson
130:34 Gracy's gym in Hollywood. Hollywood,
130:36 California. That's where I was training.
130:37 I just dumb luck. I was a white belt. I
130:40 just started. So you how old you were
130:42 when you started like training or you
130:44 had some relationship with the sport? Uh
130:46 well jiu-jitsu. Well martial arts I
130:48 started when I was 15. Well, I started
130:50 when I was 14, but really seriously when
130:52 I was 15, and then I competed in
130:53 Taekwondo from 15 to 21, and then I
130:56 kickboxed until I was 22. And then I was
130:59 doing comedy at the same time. And then
131:01 I realized I I was half in, half.
131:04 Something crazy about you is when I hear
131:06 you explaining some positions, I'm like,
131:09 this guy has to know how to fight, how
131:11 to do it because the way he is explain
131:13 it, I couldn't be able to to explain it.
131:16 And I'm a world champion. I know the
131:19 game, but you explain it like way better
131:21 than anyone else. I I think that you put
131:24 10 world champions together, you still
131:27 explain it much better than all of us.
131:29 Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.
131:30 Well, I learned how to explain it
131:32 because I learned how to teach people
131:34 that didn't know what was happening once
131:36 it went to the ground. Right. Cuz in the
131:39 beginning, nobody understood the ground
131:40 game. Exactly. You know, and I'm a black
131:42 belt in jiu-jitsu, so when it goes to
131:43 the ground, I I can explain what's
131:46 happening. I'm very specific.
131:48 Well, you have to be specific cuz some
131:50 people don't know. Like sometimes I'll
131:52 be watching with my wife at home. Like
131:53 we watching fights that I'm not calling
131:55 and she's like, "What's going on?" And
131:57 I'd be like, "His right arm is in
131:58 trouble right now." Like, see what see
132:00 where his elbow is now? If he can get
132:02 his elbow past this point, he's [ __ ]
132:04 I'm like, "Okay, now he's fucked." And
132:05 then I would I would I would explain it
132:07 and I I would say, "Now what he's going
132:08 to do, he's going to take his right leg.
132:10 He's going to wrap it over the top. Oh,
132:11 he's got it. Oh, he's got it." Okay.
132:12 He's going to cinch the left leg over
132:13 the top. That's it. That's it. He's
132:15 [ __ ] You're the best. Yeah. That's
132:17 it's just I it's you can't passion.
132:21 Yeah. Either you love it or you don't
132:22 love it. And if you don't love it, you
132:24 can't pretend it won't work. No one's
132:26 going to believe you. Like if you're
132:28 just a regular sports guy, say like you
132:30 call hockey and they hire you. You're
132:32 going to learn about MMA and you're
132:34 going to call MMA.
132:36 Come on. Come on. Yeah. There's no
132:38 You're not going to be able to do it
132:39 right. Of course, because you got to do
132:40 it like you like if I was calling
132:41 hockey, I'm like, "Yay, this [ __ ]
132:43 puck went in the net. Woo. I don't give
132:45 a [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] if the puck
132:46 goes in the net. It doesn't mean
132:48 anything to me. But when someone gets
132:49 your [ __ ] neck [ __ ] [ __ ] and you
132:52 see the guys going to tap he's tapping.
132:54 That that to me is life. That's
132:57 everything. That is like it's not just
132:59 winning. You're not just winning. You're
133:01 you killed that guy. We can see that. I
133:03 promise you. We can see your passion
133:05 every time. Like even right now I'm
133:08 here. I feel your passion. It's not like
133:09 I see it. I feel your your passion like
133:12 you passionate about what you're doing.
133:14 And that's something that I I admire
133:16 people like you. Well, I wouldn't do it
133:18 if I didn't feel that way. I don't have
133:20 to do it. I don't do it for money. I
133:22 just do it I mean, this is the only
133:24 person I work for is the UFC. Everything
133:26 else I do for myself. Everything I work
133:28 for myself. Yeah. I'm self-employed
133:29 except for the UFC. But I've been
133:31 working for them for 20
133:33 [ __ ] three years. Yeah. 23 years. 23
133:37 years. Yeah. And then before that, I did
133:38 it two years before that. So, it's 25
133:40 years total. And And when was the the
133:43 moment Maybe I'm going like too deep,
133:45 but I I wanted to ask you this like when
133:48 was the moment when you feel like I'm
133:50 succeed in life? I feel that I'm I'm
133:53 having success. And what's for you
133:56 actually success? Like how do you
133:58 describe it? Um well, I guess the moment
134:01 was when I didn't worry about success
134:03 anymore. I don't think about success. I
134:06 think about what do I enjoy doing and am
134:08 I doing it the best that I can do it?
134:10 That's what I think about. I don't
134:12 think, oh, I'm going to make more money.
134:14 Oh, I'm gonna do this and now I want to
134:16 do I want this goal and that goal. I'm
134:20 a process oriented person. I think about
134:23 the process of what I'm doing and then
134:24 the results come. So, I think like what
134:27 am I doing? Am I doing it the best that
134:29 I can do it? And if I'm not, I better I
134:32 better either quit if I don't want to do
134:33 it anymore. If I like that's why I
134:35 stopped fighting. I was there was no
134:36 money in fighting when I was fighting.
134:38 There was no money. There was no UFC.
134:40 And I was just getting brain damage for
134:41 no reason. And it was really I was I was
134:44 sparring and having [ __ ] headaches
134:46 every night. I was like, "What am I
134:47 doing with my life?" And then I would
134:48 also meet guys in the gym that were
134:49 punch drunk. And they those guys scared
134:51 the [ __ ] out of me cuz back then
134:53 everybody was stupid, too. And like in,
134:55 you know, this is 1989. Everybody was
134:57 stupid. They just beat the [ __ ] out of
134:59 each other. They didn't There was no
135:00 like sparring, you know, like technical
135:03 sparring. It was just wars. It was just
135:06 fights. Always fights. And there was no
135:09 future. And I It's still like that in in
135:12 some gyms. Yeah. A lot of gyms. A lot of
135:14 gyms. You know, some gyms are
135:16 intelligent, but there's a lot of gyms
135:18 that are stupid. I I I don't used to
135:20 spar at all. Really? Yeah. I don't spar.
135:23 Only in training camps. But I see you
135:25 spar in training camps. So, it's only in
135:27 training camps. Only in training camps.
135:29 So, when you're not in camp, what do you
135:30 do? I do like as I told you, spankings
135:33 maybe and boxing. But before I used to
135:37 go like more crazy than now before
135:40 because before I had like more ego. I
135:43 had I I wanted to pro myself like I can
135:45 knock you out. I can submit you. I can
135:48 do this and I but once like you you you
135:51 winning
135:52 fights, you're growing as a person,
135:55 you're like I don't need to prove
135:56 anything here in in in the gym. I know
135:58 what I'm able to do and the
136:01 competition is the day when I have to
136:03 fight the fight. That's the day when I'm
136:05 when I'm get paid and and that's it. I'm
136:07 not gonna going to dam damage anyone no
136:12 more because
136:13 sometimes you knock people out and then
136:16 you go back home and you feel bad. You
136:18 you're like I could not doing it right.
136:22 And he's suffering right now. I sent so
136:24 much people to the hospital. so much
136:27 people to the hospital like I'm sure
136:29 I've seen a few broken eyes
136:32 opened so much damage that right now I'm
136:36 like no no no sometimes people comes to
136:38 me like let's spar I'm like
136:41 I recommend you to know
136:44 I recommend you to not
136:48 yeah that's good advice yeah it's
136:51 interesting right it's like the your ego
136:53 can help you because your ego is what
136:56 makes You want to be great, but at a
136:58 certain point in time, you got to put a
136:59 leash on it. Yeah. You got to say, "Not
137:01 not right now, [ __ ] When I let
137:03 you go, when I say sickum, then I'm
137:05 going to let you off that leash, but not
137:07 right now." And like that's Marcelo
137:09 Garcia always used to say that about
137:10 jiu-jitsu that you have to open up your
137:13 game in the gym and don't be afraid
137:14 about being tapped. He goes, you got to
137:16 be open. You got to take chances in the
137:18 gym and learn and put yourself in bad
137:21 positions on purpose and and you might
137:23 lose training sessions, but that's not
137:25 what's important. What's important is
137:26 growing. I see a lot of guys struggling
137:29 with that. Like they don't want to lose
137:31 and train and I'm like, well, a lot of
137:33 guys never develop a guard because they
137:35 never want to be on their back. There's
137:37 a lot of guys like that. They have no
137:38 [ __ ] guard. Like, which is crazy.
137:41 It's crazy. There's black belts out
137:43 there that you get them on their back,
137:44 they look like a turtle because they
137:45 don't want to lose. Exactly. They don't
137:47 They don't know how to have to lose.
137:48 Like, if you top out, no problem. You
137:51 get better. Like, yes. H how I don't put
137:55 myself in this position. But that's the
137:57 fascinating dance of the mind that
138:00 allows someone to become a champion
138:02 versus someone to become just a good
138:05 fighter. Like whether you can figure
138:07 that out like when to put your ego on a
138:10 leash and when to be able to look at
138:12 yourself objectively like what you're
138:14 doing with separating all of your
138:16 disciplines. I think is very important.
138:18 I think that's a a very interesting way
138:20 that you put it because I think it's a
138:21 very intelligent way to approach it.
138:23 Like get very good at your boxing, get
138:25 very good at your Muay Thai, get very
138:27 good at your jiu-jitsu, but do it
138:28 different. Do it separately. I like
138:31 every week, every Sunday, I sit down and
138:34 I do my schedule by myself. Like I'm I'm
138:37 on Monday, I'm going to do boxing at the
138:39 from this hour to this, then I'm going
138:41 to do afternoon. And how do you decide
138:43 what you're going to do? depends of how
138:45 I feel what I want to what I want to do.
138:48 What do you want to work on what I and
138:50 and what I want to work on and where I
138:52 feel like I have to develop something.
138:55 What I want to do
138:57 what's what do I feel in reality? It's
139:00 not like all the time um I'm going to do
139:03 this because I have to do it. No, I
139:05 don't have to do anything. I choose to
139:07 do it because I enjoy it. Every time I
139:10 go to training, I enjoy it. I don't do
139:12 it because I feel forced. Sometimes in
139:15 training camp, yes, I feel forced
139:16 because I feel tired. I don't have food
139:18 in my body. I don't have any energy and
139:20 I have to do it because I'm forced. But
139:22 outside the training camp, I enjoy it.
139:24 Even if I retire tomorrow, I would keep
139:27 training like that because that's
139:28 something that I enjoy. And you said
139:30 something very interesting before that
139:33 like right now
139:35 I'm in in in the moment of my life where
139:39 everything I do, I do it because I enjoy
139:42 it. I don't do anything be to make
139:44 anyone's h anyone happy. Uh I don't live
139:48 a life dreaming to have another one. I
139:51 just enjoy the moment I'm living right
139:54 now. That's so important. That is so
139:56 important. It's so important to be
139:58 satisfied with your life. So important
140:00 to just
140:02 just live in the moment. It's so hard
140:05 for people to do. It's so hard for
140:08 people to do especially if you [ __ ]
140:09 off too many times. you just like made
140:11 too many mistakes and slacked off and
140:15 lazy and this is the best moment we have
140:17 right now. Right now. This is it. The
140:19 best moment. This is who we are. Yeah,
140:21 it is. It is. No one knows what's going
140:23 to happen tomorrow. So, and you know
140:25 what's really important? hearing a guy
140:26 like you say this, hearing a guy like
140:28 you say this to to young people out
140:30 there that are listening, they're just
140:31 not sure like how to approach life
140:34 because the way you think about life and
140:38 the way you decide to approach life can
140:40 change your the whole direction of your
140:43 future. 100% 100%. And so a young guy is
140:48 probably listening guaranteed there are
140:50 people not just one many young people
140:53 are listening to you talk right now. I'm
140:55 sure there many people come to you like
140:58 Joe tell me the secret. Yeah, there are
141:00 no secret. There's no bottom for the
141:02 elevator. Exactly. Everything in life
141:05 you get step by step. The slowest the
141:07 fastest way to get where you want to be.
141:08 I was talking to David Gogggins about
141:10 that. You know who David Gogggins is?
141:12 Yeah, of course. [ __ ] maniac. David
141:15 Gogggins said there's no finish line.
141:18 He's like it never ends. Like it never
141:19 ends. Never ends. You never make it. You
141:22 ever feel like you make it? I'm like you
141:23 never make it. There's no making it.
141:24 It's [ __ ] One day you you don't
141:27 think about it anymore and you just
141:29 every day you're just trying to get
141:30 better. Of course. And if you don't feel
141:32 like that, it's not fun. If you're not
141:35 really trying to do something difficult
141:38 and aspire to greatness and just trying
141:40 to do your best all the time, you don't
141:43 have satisfaction in your life 100%.
141:46 Everything. Some people thinks that like
141:49 you accomplish something and that's
141:50 going to make you happy. That's a
141:51 [ __ ] Well, you know, I think also
141:54 there's the poison of social media
141:56 because social media poisons people to
141:58 think that one day I'm going to make it.
142:00 I'm going to be like Conor McGregor
142:01 driving my yacht around. Like those
142:04 videos are so bad for you. Those videos
142:07 of people like, "Look at me. Look at my
142:09 watch. Look at my diamonds. Look at
142:11 this. Look at my house. Look at this.
142:13 Look at these girls. Don't you wish you
142:15 were me?" Everyone is showing you the
142:18 best part of their life. No one is going
142:21 to show you how they are struggling, the
142:23 problems they are facing in the in the
142:25 daily basis. I mean like no one is going
142:27 to show you that. No one's going to show
142:29 you, look, I have a pimple here in my
142:31 face. No, I'm going to use a filter to
142:34 Yeah. hide that. Yeah. It's It's not
142:37 good. It's not good for young people,
142:39 that's for sure. Because they aspire to
142:40 all the wrong things. You ask young
142:42 people today what do they want? Most of
142:44 them just want to be famous.
142:45 They want to be famous and they think
142:47 that money makes them rich and you
142:51 skills make you rich, not the money. If
142:53 you don't have the skills and you don't
142:55 have the mindset, you're going to keep
142:56 poor all the time. Not only that, you're
142:58 not going to have the satisfaction of
142:59 knowing you got really good at
143:01 something. There's something about
143:03 getting really good at something that
143:04 gives you a deep satisfaction that's not
143:06 available anywhere else. If you just win
143:09 the lottery, those are the most
143:10 depressed people in the world. They all
143:12 go broke. They win the lottery and then
143:14 everybody wants money from them and then
143:15 they feel empty and hollow and they
143:17 don't know what to do with themselves
143:18 and now they don't have any goals
143:19 because they have a hundred million
143:21 dollars in the bank. They don't know
143:22 what the [ __ ] to do. Yeah. But in
143:24 reality they don't have any ability.
143:25 They don't have nothing to enjoy with
143:29 you. I say that success comes from not
143:32 worrying about money. Success doesn't
143:34 come from making a lot of money. Success
143:35 comes from now I don't have to think
143:37 about that. Money is not a thing. Now I
143:39 think about what am I doing? What am I
143:41 doing? I want to be the best parent I
143:44 can be. I want to be the best friend
143:45 that I can be. I want to be everything I
143:48 do. I want to do it to the best of my
143:49 abilities. Yeah. Becoming the best
143:51 person you could be. Yeah. The best
143:53 person you can be. When I was a kid, my
143:56 martial arts instructor told me this
143:57 that I'll never forget and I say it all
143:59 the time. Martial arts are a vehicle for
144:01 developing your human potential. Through
144:04 that struggle, through that difficult
144:05 thing, you will learn how to be better
144:07 at everything.
144:09 100%. 100%. 100% that's that's what I
144:13 think life is about and that's why
144:14 martial arts are so exciting to me. You
144:16 know, people think, "Oh, you like
144:17 violence. You like this." Like, that's
144:19 not it. Like, that's why I don't like
144:20 slap fighting. I think it's stupid. You
144:22 stand in front of each other, smack each
144:23 other in the head. I want to see a
144:25 guy enter into a cage fully prepared
144:29 with skills against another guy fully
144:31 prepared with skills. I always describe
144:34 martial arts, mixed martial arts in
144:36 particular, as highlevel problemolving
144:39 with dire physical consequences. That's
144:42 what it is. It's problem solving with
144:45 dire physical consequences. That's so
144:47 cool. Yeah, that's what it is. People
144:49 most of time, they didn't understand
144:52 what's behind a fighting game. It's not
144:55 like only violence. You have to prepare
144:57 yourself. You have to be smart. You have
144:59 to be you have to work smart smarter
145:02 than the the other guy you you are going
145:04 to face. There's so much factors that
145:08 it's going to play out that that day.
145:11 It's so much sacrifices that someone has
145:13 to make before getting in in inside that
145:16 octagon. It's not only
145:18 fighting. It's more than that. I don't
145:21 know. I don't it's
145:24 I love that. I don't know. Most of the
145:27 people before they used to see fighting
145:30 as something very violent in in Spain.
145:33 They hate it. Right now it's becoming
145:36 bigger and bigger and bigger and they're
145:38 starting to love that. And I and I saw
145:42 that since the day I started because I
145:44 used to say to the people like 10 years
145:45 ago in Spain, what you doing? I'm
145:47 fighting. Ah, don't do
145:50 that. Start learning something. Start
145:53 studying. I'm like, I'm
145:55 starting. Everyone choose a a career in
145:58 his life. Someone wants to be a doctor,
146:00 someone wants to be a constructor,
146:03 someone wants to be this or that. I want
146:05 to be a fighter. Yeah. And I have to
146:08 learn to be a fighter also. But by your
146:11 example, by being a true champion and by
146:14 living the way you live and by
146:16 performing the way you perform, you will
146:18 change people's opinions and they will
146:20 see it and they will say, "Oh, this is
146:22 different. This is not what I thought it
146:24 was. This is something special. I hope
146:27 so. For sure, brother. For sure. It's in
146:30 the cards. Well, listen, my friend.
146:32 Thank you very much for being here. I
146:33 appreciate you very much. I'm a big fan
146:35 and I can't wait to see you inside the
146:36 Octagon again. And uh all the best, Joe.
146:39 Thank you very much, bro. Has been a big
146:41 pleasure for me to be with you. Thanks
146:43 very much. All right. Bye, everybody.
146:45 Bye.
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