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The ASEAN Power Grid (APG) is a strategic initiative aimed at advancing regional energy transition, enhancing energy security, and unlocking renewable energy potential through interconnected power systems, fostering a more inclusive and sustainable future for the region.

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Today's session entitled towards

regional inclusivity and sustainability

through the ASEAN power grid brings

together policy makers, industry

experts, financial institutions and

research partners to explore how

regional power integration can advance

ASEAN's collective energy transition

goals. The ASEAN power grid or APG

stands as a cornerstone of regional

cooperation connecting nations

strengthening energy security as well as

unlocking renewable energy potential for

a more inclusive as well as a more

sustainable future. So to initiate the

session may I invite back on stage Dr.

Nuki Aayotama, director for energy

policy and head of the Asia Zero

Emissions Center to deliver his opening remarks.

>> Uh thank you again uh excellencies.

It is my distinct honors to welcome you

to the 8th East Asia Energy Forum

convened as one of the plinary session

of the 25th Asan energy business forum

in the dynamics and also hospitalitable

city of Columpur and on behalf of the

economic research institute of uh Assean

and East Asia area and close partnership

with the energy research institute

network arin and also asan center for

energy and Malaysia Petra as the host. I

extend our deepest appreciation for all

your presence today in this important dialogue.

dialogue.

Over the past years, EAF has emerged as

a valued platform where policy makers,

industry leaders, and researchers

exchange views on the region's evolving

energy priorities from energy security

and affordability to sustainability and innovation.

innovation.

The forum supports evidence-based and

inclusive collaboration.

Last year in Fiantin, we focused on

inclusive and sustainable policy

direction and this year we focus on the

Assean power grid.

This Asian power grid is not only an

infrastructure project but also a

strategic enabler capable of unlocking

renewable energy, improving regional

reliability and also driving shared prosperity.

prosperity.

However, achieving this requires uh

achieving this target requires a

regulatory harmonization,

innovative financing and also stronger

partnership across sectors and borders.

In these efforts, three-parted

collaboration among government, industry

and academia is essential. Governments

provide the policy and crossber

frameworks. Industry delivers capital

and technologies.

This is where the Asia zero emission

community initiative supported by area

through the Asia zero emission centers

adds value.

Azac offer a regional framework for

pragmatic multipathway recreation a

bridging technology option financing

mechanism and country specific

priorities in line with the Assean plan

of action for energy cooperation or API

as stated by dat razibly

area remains committed to supporting

ASEAN through research innovation and

regional cooperation

within these activities.

Our contribution include work on grid

integration, crossber power trade

modeling and market design tools such as

the layout market approach which

provides a flexible framework for

regional integration

through EIF AIN Azac. We remain

committed to translating dialogue into

action with solution that reflect both

national realities and regional goals.

And I trust that today's deliberation

will generate valuable insight. And I

encourage you to be bold in your

exchange of ideas. And let us think

collectively about how to advance the

Asan power grid in a way that it is not

only technically feasible but also

politically grounded and socially

inclusive. And together we can position

Assean not only as growing energy

consumer but as a global hub of

sustainable innovation.

As Bach Minister Fuller once said, we

are called to be architect of the

future, not its victims.

The Assean power grid is our opportunity

to be such architects shaping a future

that is sustainable,

secure and prosperous for all. Again,

thank you so much for your attention and

look forward for the fruitful discussion

ahead. Thank you so much.

>> Well said. Thank you so much, Dr. Nuki.

Kindly make your [music] way and be seated.

seated.

And next up, ladies and gentlemen, we'll

be hearing the welcoming address by His

Excellency Tuan Akmar Nasula bin

Muhammad Nasia, the deputy minister of

energy transition and water

transformation of Malaysia. Deep Silaki,

his excellency Tuan Amma Nasula to

join us on stage for his welcome

Uh very good morning again. uh this is

very unusual to speak backto back two

different events in the same hall in the

same context and just now I also

realized that Dr. Razip just steal my

text almost similar but I think uh given

Dr. Yanuki Aya Utama the director of for

energy policy and head of Asia zero

emission center Ibu Madame Dana vice

minister public works of Indonesia. So

again is my privilege to be here at the

8 East Asia Energy Forum uh this

morning. First and foremost, allow me to

take this opportunity to thank area and

the government of Japan for the dialogue

partnership with ASEAN.

Our energy cooperation has been very

strong for the longest time and it is

imperative that it has supported ASEAN

to advance towards our regional energy

goals and cooperation

through the many initiative for energy

efficiency and conservation,

smart grid development, hydrogen and

ammonia technologies, lowcarbon

infrastructure and other topics Assean

have moved forward towards our regional

goal with the support of Japan. These

efforts are not only technical but they

are also deeply strategic. They help

ASEAN build the capabilities, confidence

and connectivity needed to transition

toward a cleaner and more integrated

energy future.

Looking forward as we prepare to

transition from APAT phase 2 to APA 2026 2030,

2030,

ASEAN is committed to strengthening

regional cooperation towards a more

sustainable and interconnected region.

The ASEAN power grid APG as Dr. Nuki mentioned

mentioned

remains a key initiative to strengthen

regional power interconnections,

energy security and electricity trade

across the Assean member states.

APG plays a critical role in balancing

supply and demand, unlocking renewable

energy potential and supporting a just

inclusive energy transition in line with

Malaysia's 2025 chairmanship team

inclusivity and sustainability.

Apart from the initiative in the APG,

natural gas, coal transformation,

energy efficiency,

renewable energy, energy policy planning

and nuclear energy will also be central

for ASEAN to achieve our regional targets.

targets.

We commend the support of area and the

government of Japan through regional

activities with the ASEAN center for

energy to implement the APA. We believe

Assean Japan collaboration will continue

to play a vital role in supporting ASEAN

to this journey. Let us use this forum

to deepen our partnerships, align our

priorities and accelerate our shared

goals. I invite all stakeholders to

actively engage in the sessions and days

ahead as the AABF is convening the

global energy stakeholders. Thank you again.

Thank you your excellency. Kindly remain

on stage. We are going to do one group

photo [music] op. I would like to invite

Dr. Nuki as well as all our

distinguished panelists, speakers and

[music] moderator for plenary 1 on stage

for a quick group photo op with [music]

Excellent. Thank you so much. Kindly be

[music] seated.

Dr. Wiraad, kindly remain on stage.

Jimasi once again, your excellency for

the welcome address.

Right. Ladies and gentlemen, to set the

scene for the panel discussion, would

like to invite Dr. Widowat Chan Tank and

the senior consultant on energy policy

area to now begin setting the scene.

Good morning ladies and gentlemen. So

welcome back to the the 8th EIF the uh

East Asia entity forum today here in Kuran.

So as you have heard you know from this

morning our deputy prime uh minister uh

executive director of as and uh the

director of energy of the ERA just

mentioned that the uh our region you

know the Southeast Asia uh slow common

transition cannot succeed in isolation.

So I think our region diverse geography,

uneven energy resources and fragmented

market structure definitely demand

crossber cooperation. So energy security

today hinges on interconnected as you

have heard low carbon system not just

domestic field supply. So that's why the

ASEAN uh power grid APG as you know is a

central to this vision linking nation to

the share infrastructure and cooperation

while ensuring of course resilient and affordable.

Ladies and gentlemen, the LA PDR

Thailand Malaysia Singapore power

integration project as you know LTMS

launches in 2022 marks the ASEAN first

multilateral clean electricity trade. So

for Singapore

which lacks domestic renewable resources

is proved that important you know the

clean power across border is both

possible and practical as you can see

Singapore trying to do now. So the

projects of like for example the LTMS

100 megawatt of LA hydro power we

Thailand we Malaysia is a start but you

know still far short of the gigawatt

scale imports that needed to meet

climate target and f growing and digital

economy that we are trying to do.

So while the LTMS prove technical

feibility is also reveal major hurden

for example scale remain limited

trading mechanism are stateto state not

market based yet and infrastructure gap

regoratory mismatches and technical

standards vary across country as you know.

know.

So apparently you know to addressing

this require political will that's very

important that's why on the other loom

we have amen meeting right this is very

important political view first

institutional reform and investorfriendly

investorfriendly policy

electricity demand in ASEAN is expected

to double by 2040 and driven by

industrialization and urbanization simultaneously

simultaneously

countries have committed to increase

renewable energy under the Asen pan of

action for corporation and the Paris

agreement. So yet natural re assets for

example the hydro power in Meong region,

solar in Indonesia and Thailand, win in

Vietnam and not even you know I mean

distribute evenly

without crossber trade. I think much

potential gap still go uncapped

but anyway fossil dependence persist elsewhere.

Asen chair this year 2025 Malaysia has

prioritized you know the APG try to

pushing for harmonized Greek code for

transparent trading rules and for

financing for interconnection.

So Malaysia also aims to become a clean

energy exporter through hybrid renewable

energy project and aims to boost

renewable energy to 40% of install

capacity by 2035.

So this leadership of Malaysia is

important to fostering regional trust

Singapore complements RTM RTMS of course

by exploring import rules you know

currently try to do from Vietnam,

Indonesia and Cambodia aiming for at

least 4 gawatt of low carbon import by 2035.

2035.

So it is investing you know in subse

cable is coming soon for solar and

energy storage while advocating for the

competitive Asan electricity market to

mobilize private capital and try to

A fully integrated regional market would

for example balance supply and demand

across countries, reduce carbon

intensity and cost and of course enhance

resilient against climate against fuel

price and geopolitical shock. So the

LTMS offer a model and with Malaysia

momentum, ASEAN can scale up into the

decarbonized interoperable

APG system, transforming power trade

into the pillar of prosperity and sustainability.

For the way forward beyond cable of

course success required first technical

up cooperation for grid reliability

need flexible market mechanism they

going to hear from panelists from now

alongside liquoratory alignment which is

very important to attract investment and

shaping policy to catalyze investment in

the Assean power grid. So for this the

Assean you know plan Asan power grid

represent more than infrastructure.

It is a symbol of Assean solidity.

Electricity will shape the region future

and deepening cooperation will ensure it

is cleaner, more affordable, more secure

and more inclusive.

Ladies and gentlemen, electricity will

define Southeast Asia future. you're

going to hear from today not just

empowering economies but in shaping our

collective resilient and sustainability.

So the APG offer a bold part forward.

Greener, more secure, more inclusive and

growth for all. But this vision will

only become reality if we scale up

integration grounded in trust,

innovation and share commitment. That's

why in in a this week you can see the

MOU will be signed for 10 country to

scale up the interconnection under APG.

So you know we trust that together we

can transform energy corporation into

the cornerstone of regional prospect

prosperity and power a greener stronger

assean future united. So ladies and

gentlemen the next session will show a

picture clear picture of APG toward

regional inclusivity and sustainability.

Thank you very much.

>> Thank you so much Dr. Wiraad for setting

the scene. And now ladies and gentlemen

for our eighth East Asia Energy Forum

panel, I would like to invite our

moderator for this session, Ichiro

Koutani, the senior research director

from EEJ [music]

on stage to moderate our panel

discussion. [music]

Uh welcome everyone to this plenary

session uh discussing about the Assean

power grid. Thank you very much for

joining uh this session.

Uh as everyone knows uh ASEAN power grid

is critical for enabling uh the

sustainable and prosper uh development

in this region. However, uh we also see

the challenges to materialize

progressing accelerating uh this plan

and this session I will discuss such

challenges uh in developing uh Assean

power grid and let me firstly invite uh

the four distinguished panelist uh the

firstly Dr. Pilapat uh senior energy

analyst power and system integration

[music] and Mr. Shaw Hayashi policy

fellow on energy transition and finance

and Dr. Hung Fuming, senior energy

and Dr. Chen Sun, senior vice president

for strategy and cooperation

development, Salawak Energy. [music]

The session will structure in two parts.

The first one is to listen for their

insight from our distinguished uh

panelist and followed by some critical

questions to those panelists. So without

further ado, I would like to uh proceed

to the first insight from Dr. Pilipat

Thank thanks very much and thank you for

the invitation to participate in these

sessions. Um first off uh I just like to

talk about in terms of the process of

regional integrations. It is a lengthy

process as shown in this uh figure here.

Um we have looked at some of the key

milestones of re regional integrations

globally that's including power grid as

well. So the first bilateral meeting is

the one that really um happened

relatively early as you can see that in

in Europe it's starting back in 1920 and

then for the Asan power grid it's right

in around the 1960s but what really

kicked off the multilateral is about the

agreement the signing of the MUS between

governments as you can see that the AEN

power grid was signed the MOU was signed

in 2007 seven and will be as Dr. Revat

highlighted that it will be renew it

will be the new one um this week.

So we have looked at the other key

milestone as well after the signing of

MOU is the establishments of the

regional entity such as the regulator as

you see here that the markets um outside

the RCN is you know have the the

regional entities ranging from Central

America, Eastern Africa, Western Africa,

Just want to

okay um the next one is that I just want

to highlight in terms of the market

integration levels we have classified

into three stages. The first one is the

early stage um and then the second

moving from early stages to the shallow

stage and then to the deep stage and the

levels is depending on the factors which

I've highlighted here that the first one

is about the hard infrastructure which

is the interconnections infrastructure

and then the rest is about the soft uh

infrastructure that's including

institutional architecture what the the

regions have in place and then in terms

of the planning and investment and

coordinations, how the planning has been

integrated uh at the national levels and

whether it's considered regional visions

and then the technical harmonizations

and the standards uh between the

jurisdictions that involve in the

multilateral trades and then the last

one is about commercial tradings and the

market designs and the country the

regions that are considered in the early

stage is the LTMS um the Lao Thailand,

Malaysia and Singapore but then the LTMS

also moving from early stage to a

shallow stage as well because the

development that we we have seen

especially over the past few years and

then for the shallow stage some of the

examples including the South African

power pool and then Central America or

CPAC and then for the deep stage where

there's a full grid infrastructure uh to

help with the multilateral trade is the

EU and then the Nordic electricity

market as well as the north some of

North American system including PJM

Just want to highlight that um key

stakeholders uh that [clears throat]

play a key roles in establishing the

regional integrations and to advance the

regional integrations including

governments, regulator and utilities.

For governments it provide the

politicals impose for crossber power

system integrations and to enforce the

regional regulations and then for

regulator is oversee and to ensure that

uh the integrations

are efficient and equitable and then the

another key stakeholders is utilities

including the system operators is the

driving force behind the regional level

technical harmonizations because they're

the one that deal with all the

technicals um doing the system

So I just want to end with the key

enabled factors for success of the

regional integrations. So that's

including strong political will to

cooperate and then sound crossber

trading rules and transmission

regulations and the last one is about

regional institutions with clear and

significant executive power. I just like

to um end my uh presentation here. Thank you.

you.

>> Thank you Dabat.

Uh he has clearly mentioned the

development stage of RSA power grid and

uh what we should do uh in harmonizing

the market. Thank you very much. And

Good morning everyone. Uh my name is Sho

Hayashi from area and covering

transition finance and carbon market

related projects and well as Pakniki

already mentioned our activities um well

transition finance um plays a crucial

role in enabling um and realizing all

the uh energy and decarbonization

related projects in the region. Um in in

order to uh realize them uh however uh

we we have a lot of uh different

obstacles uh we have we need the policy

coordination that will uh remove the

risks um uh for the business cases. Uh

also there are technical advancement uh

that is required and also uh maybe we

need the development of a carbon market

uh to make uh those projects financially

feasible and in order to um uh

debottleneck uh all those challenges

area uh is working on different layers

of projects uh on transition finance. Uh

the first is the ATF study group which

is basically a platform of uh different

stakeholders uh both private financial f

uh private and public financial

institutions as well as industry players

and government regulators. Um as a a

dialogue uh platform for everyone to

bring in their challenges. Um and also

we engage with individual stakeholders

to uh uh uh remove and uh uh support

them uh to uh take a step forward uh in

realizing the transition finance. And

lastly uh we provided knowledge support

tools uh which is meant to uh uh provide

the uh uh neutral or knowledges and uh

facts uh for the stakeholders to make

necessary decisions.

And just introducing a bit of our uh

outputs recently. Uh one of them is the

uh area ADB METI joint report on

transition finance uh that is going to

be uh officially launched um this week

as well. And uh the background here was

that uh there had been a significant

growth of uh uh green financing in the

region over the past uh decade. However,

uh our uh sense is that we need more

financing that has to go into uh not

only scaling up the renewables but the

uh uh financing for the building

necessary infrastructure and as well as

uh uh supporting decarbonization of the

hard to abate and uh high emitting

sectors. And in this context uh so APG

is obviously uh a huge um uh chunk of a

project uh that would require uh

and so uh we are also uh as area uh

investigating different options and

scenarios uh for the region um uh so uh

especially uh at the moment we are

working on the uh case of Sarowak and

also Vietnam

um and how uh those uh uh uh grid can

connected uh each other and to support

the decarbonization of the region. Uh

also uh we're uh uh we are going to

investigate the potential of the

underground uh undersea uh cable uh as a

means to uh

uh connected region um with a lot of

islands. Obviously

also uh we uh as a knowledge support

tool uh we developed the technology list

and perspectives or TLP uh which uh is

basically a list of uh hundreds of

technologies that will contribute uh to

the region's decarbonization

and also uh out of those 176

technologies uh we conducted deep dive

especially for the technology uh

transition related technologies

um uh so that uh for example uh uh we

provide the uh affordability of those

pro uh technologies as well as how much

decarbonization contribution they can

make uh how does it fit under the

current ASEAN uh taxonomy. So all those

uh analysis is provided in order to

support the decision making of the

stakeholders in the region. And so uh uh

under the energy midstream sector uh we

are uh uh we also uh have several

technologies listed up uh just as an

example. So it's not the only uh

technologies but uh for example HVDC uh

transmission system uh smart grid uh

utility scale batteries uh and VSSG and

DC micro grid um all of those uh

technologies uh require further

development and installment uh um and

therefore uh we need the collaboration

among different stakeholders to make uh

all those uh technologies financially

feasible. So I I'll stop here and pass

it to the next speaker. Thank you.

>> Thank you very much Mr. Hayashi for your

insight about the transition finance and

taxonomy for investment.

And next is uh Dr. Hungum uh for yours. Thank

Thank

>> thank you so much uh Kenis and a very

good morning uh excellency distinguished

participant lady and gentlemen. uh today

uh I want to introduce you a new

architecture of how we able to move a

power grid to the next level to be uh integrated

integrated

uh uh multilateral uh trading. So I

think this is under developed under area

study by understanding the complexity

within Azen how we able to treat each

country in a unique way at the same time

we able to allow country to advance and

participate in electricity market but I

think the first of all from the outset

of my talk I think it's important to uh

bring us in the same level I think the

more important when we talk about uh the

power trade trading currently power

trade just one way based on the power

purchasing agreement a power trade in a

way that demand supply in real time and

do you dispect in intraday in a minutes

so I think this is the absent in aan

context and first before power trade you

need to have hard and soft

infrastructure and we have that problem

I think we need to speed up the

interconnection across the ain

we identify around 18 key connection. So

to bring up around 18 gawatt by 2040 and

potentially toward around double by

2050s but currently only around seven uh

five to seven uh gawatt are being active

around eight uh uh interconnection in

place. Uh the more important we need to

understand the complexity uh around

three important thing. First regulation

and policy. We know that we already

talked about harmonization and other

because in a regional power trade you

need a system planning uh uh and system

planning operator. These two are

important. So you need to have the

country to deregulate to join a regional

regulation. So country need to align

their policy and regulation toward

regional trading. And then I think there

are also country have in place subsidy

energy security concern and others. So

how the new architect of the uh ledger

market can allow each or asin country to

additional barrier in term of data and

sharing because you country need to to

share the real time data so that you can

match demand and supply. you can have uh

a day ahead market and then you form

intraday and disparage electricity in

the last minute. So this all the element

important that country need to do and

also investment in the interconnectivity.

interconnectivity. So

what is the layer market mean? I think

we respect the national sovereignty and

all the contact complexity in the

country including the subsidi subsidy

and we able to allow country to

participate based on their their their

condition. So what actually we

understand is the current system we look

at it it have bilateral trade existing

and it have link bilateral trade like

electricity agreement from Lao through

Thailand through Malaysia to Singapore

and then also you have a domestic

platform a kind of auction where

Malaysia sell renewable to electricity

to to a uh to Singapore and what are

absent is within the PPA uh uh power

purchasing agreement long-term contracts

I think that existing

but they are absent of short-term spot

market where allow country to exchange

electricity and optimize the grid. So I

think this quite important that if

country able to also combine long-term

and short-term uh trading this allow

country to participate in the gradually

in the integrate electricity market and

we understand various condition of the

country that this is what we do the

mapping and so both long-term

the ledger market allow the exist

long-term and short-term trading. So

what is proposed new under the area

study here is a short-term electricity

trade combined with the long-term PPA.

So but in this condition I think country

need to some extent I think uh harmonize

and discuss in term of interconnection

uh physical interconnection and also

some of the harmonization of the

regulation and uh in order to allow this

uh market gradually to to be trade in

the Aian region. I hope the layer market

could support gradually uh for moving

from bilateral trade toward multilateral

trade in in the near future. I stop here

and because we don't have time we can

talk outside if you are interested about

it. Uh thank you so much. Back to you.

Good news. Thank you.

>> Thank you Dr. Hung Humin to introduce

our new idea of layered market module.

Thank you very much. And lastly from Dr.

change soon to share your insights.

>> Thank you. Thank you.

Very good morning ladies and gentlemen

and thank you for our fellow panelists

to share about the ideas, the challenges

and the various interesting idea like

the multi uh multi-layer the layered um

trading system as we progress on the ASA

power grid. Um my sharing will be a lot

simpler um for utility for business we

see there's a no there's expiration for

ashan power grid of course um but as we

deal with the different parties we are

building one interconnection no one

connection at a time right so we working

on looking at every single deal and try

to get one deal across um so that the

team can proceed so let let me uh have a

quick introduction on um Sowa S energy.

Um, basically we are on the Bono Island

somehow in the middle of AEAN, right?

Um, there are three countries on Bio.

Uh, Malaysia besides Sarawak with Sabah

the the next state and also with Brunai

and Galamantan, Indonesia.

So we are wholly owned by the S

government uh vertically integrated. So

and we have over 100 years of uh history

in supplying electricity in Sarowak and

we are the largest renewable energy

developer in Malaysia. Uh that is

because we have a large portfolio of

hydropower. Okay. So our approach in

developing or providing a sustainable uh

energy is by developing the indigenous

energy resources that we have. Okay. We

have hydropower potential and we do have

gas and coal as well which we use as a

way to uh provide energy security and

diversity and also in ter of managing

the affordability electricity in the

state. So we have 60% of our generation

capacity come hydrop power today but we

generated more than 75% of our energy

using hydropower last year. Okay. And

building on our foundation of hydropower

will continue to increase our um

portfolio generation and now we have

started on our solar program itself. So

with about six gawatt of generation

capacity today uh we are aiming to

achieve 10 gawatt by the end of this

decade that mean five years time and

also adding another 5 gawatt that mean

15 gawatt by 2035. But while doing that

we have made a commitment to maintain at

least 60% of our generation capacity

from renewable energy. One interesting

aspect of our business on SAR is that

twothird of our generation actually go

to industrial customer. Okay. So we have

a huge industry um that actually uh

started about 15 years ago uh initiated

by SR government in bringing the heavy

indust heavy energy intensive industry

as a way of uh developing our energy

resources in the state.

So as we talk about interconnection I

just want to share a little bit about

the interconnection that we have the

major interconnection that often been

spoken about for Sowa is basically the

interconnection between Sawa and West

Kalamantan. So it is a 128 kilometer 275

KV transmission line. Um it's completed

in 2016. We started trading power uh

with West Kalamantan for almost 10 years

now. Initially 50 megawatt during the

off peak during the night time and 170

megawatt during the daytime ps peak

period. But over the years the needs and

you know have changed. So today we have

an agreement of 80 megawatt um for 24

hours but

sh my fellow panelist earlier you know

there's a long-term agreement but we do

have short-term arrangements as well. So

on the day-to-day basis depend on the

capacity we have depend on the needs on

the other side of West Kton we do

exchange more than that so as much as

over 300 megawatt uh sometimes okay but

the other thing I want to mention also

when we talk about APG we often talk

about the big project the big

transmission line I just want to say

that in fact we have border no crossber

trading for a lot longer many decades we

have connection at the distribution

level basically Here showing on the map

here we actually three uh connection

with west kalimantan as well and

supplying to the border towns in the

villages and for many many years now and

recently we also upgraded it to 33 KV to

increase the power exchange. So over the

last 10 years we have exchanged more

than 10 terowatt hour of energy between

saw and west kalimantan.

So we can see that there are many future

mutual benefit to gain from each other

once the interconnection is there. All

right. So I later on we'll share a

little bit more about the what are the

elements required to make this

collaboration successful.

So from here we see that um Sarowak and

particularly Bonio sitting at the heart

of ASEAN have opportunity for us to play

a big part in for the ASEAN power grid.

So building of our success we for the

interconnection with West Kanton. Today

we are building the line to Sabah right

our neighboring state and and hopefully

everything go well we will start

exchanging the first electron before the

end of this year. We are also working

with our counterparts in Brunai as well

as Kalamantan to have further

interconnection with them as well.

So looking beyond Borneo, we also

working uh with TMBB and Shunjaya Tanaga

here and Peninsula Malaysia on the

interconnection to West Malaysia here

and also another project looking at

interconnecting with Singapore as well.

Right. All these link are more

complicated subc cable using HVDC

technology and at a much higher

transmission capacity of 100 1,000

megawatt each. Okay. Or even higher

for us. Um,

Sarawa is small. I think we only have

population 3 million people, right? But

we see that we from our experience with

some of the interconnection and some of

the power trading. We have something to

offer. We can contribute to making Asan

power grid, you know, sharing our

experience and how to progress to the

next step in realizing the Asian power

grid. But we but we think that Bono grid

know among the four areas 15 on the

island we have a big part to play and we

are working towards con constructing or

developing a strong and resilient grid

that will serve the needs of everyone on

the island but also as a kind of

foundation to support a power grid.

>> Thank you very much. uh we now rec uh re

recognize the potential of little energy

in the Solabak state and the ambition to

extend uh those supply to other regions.

Although we are coming to the uh 10:00

please allow me to extend five minutes

for asking one question for each and let

me start from the uh question to Dr. Pilabat.

Pilabat.

uh you explained about the uh

development stage of uh different

regions for interconnection of a power

grid and from those uh lessons what AEAN

can learn from those legions uh

different region has a different

inhalent natures nevertheless of those

different natures what do you see the

opportunity for this asan leion to learn

from those experiences

>> thanks very much um given a short on

time I just want to just mention that I

show in my slide that um there's a long

process lengthy process in terms of

developing regional interconnections. I

think the key aspect is the political

will and which has already been shown uh

with the enhanced APGMOU.

Another one is also in terms of the

having the sound uh crossber training

rules at the to to begin with as we can

learn from you know others other other

regions particularly in South Africa

where there's on a voluntary basis

there's no need to change anything

within the national jurisdictions and

another one is about having the regional

institutions just to overseas I think

I'll just leave it uh you know those

three key aspects there just to be considered.

Uh I'm sorry uh I heard that the vice

president is coming to uh session so we

have to close now. Uh I'm very sorry

about this uh inter uh introduction but

uh uh we have to stop now. So thank you

very much for joining this session and

we are going to close. Thank you very much.

much.

>> Thank you so much. We're so [music] so

sorry that we had to cut this short.

Once again thank you to all our esteemed

panelists as well as to our moderator

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