The discussion revolves around the proliferation of celebrity-endorsed products, the evolving definition of "partying," and a nuanced exploration of gender dynamics and societal discourse, particularly concerning masculinity and the perceived negative messaging towards men.
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I sure hope there weren't any mistakes
in that episode, but we'll find out when
my mom, Mrs. Monica, comes in and tells
us what was wrong.
Are you so happy to be wearing your
raincoat? Yeah.
It's a good part, I guess. That's his
brown lining. Brown lining. Literally. I
was on the road at 6:00 a.m. this
morning. Uh-huh. Driving to Anaheim,
California. Home of Disneyland, as you
may know. I do know that. thriving
suburb in the greater metropolitan area.
Yes. To go to Expo West. Okay. Do you
know about Expo West? Nope. I don't know
what's on either. Okay. Even after
having gone. That's right. Okay. 70,000
attendees. Wow. It's a huge trade show
for consumer products. Oh, all kinds.
grocerers, products, buyers, suppliers,
founders, and uh Sharon Beasley and I
Aaron Weekly uh were on stage being
interviewed. Oh, you were interviewed.
Oh, I thought you guys were like trying
to sell your product. Well, that's
happening. Yeah. I had to come back to
work for my real job. Are they still
there? Yeah, they're still there. Oh.
Wandering the halls of a huge
convention. 70,000 attendees. That's
great. Rob Google how many cities in
America have more than 70,000. So I'm
getting 50,000 or more there's 510 urban
areas in the US with a population that
out of 50 states that's like 10 per
state. Okay, that's I don't know what
that does for us but I feel like it's
relevant. Not not a lot for me
personally. What I'm saying is this
would be in the top 500 cities in
America for population had this group
incorporated into a city while they were
watching this interview. Okay, great.
I'm just thinking about all these
products, you know. Yeah, a lot of
products. It's crowded space. So many
products and
go ahead. I
just like Do we need more products?
Unless it's filling a space. Yes, I do
think you are filling a space with Ted
Seekers. I don't think there's a lot of
good NA beer. I do too. So, I I support
that product. Yes. But overall, like
everyone has a product. Yeah. And
I think I'm gonna say it. I declare I'm
against it. Oh my goodness. What a
controversial stance. Well, you like
capitalism and you like the marketplace.
Of course. So, it's not an anti-
capitalist stance. It's more just like,
do we need it, guys? More of an enough
already. Yeah. It's a little bit more of
an enough already mixed with like
everyone famous has to have some product
like not you again, not go ahead. Go
ahead. No, I I don't mean you. That's
why I love talking about Ted Seag cuz
this was not a cash grab. No one
approached me. All these other there's
another guy with a a celebrity with a
beer brand. And he's very openly on a
talk show saying like he got approached
by people. They handed him five things
at a boardroom meeting and said
basically, will you put your name on
this? Yeah. So this is like me and Aaron
created a beer we wouldn't be
embarrassed to order at a bar. Yeah.
Right. We're not like, "Hey, do you have
a little duels? Could you bring it in a
Budweiser?" You know? Yeah. I also think
selling products is great. I have no
beef with people who kind of who do who
are doing that. We made it for ourselves
and then we thought, "Oh, maybe people
would also want it." But I mean, even
people who like don't really care about
the product, but are like, "Look, I can
I can slap my name on this and get eyes
on it and I think it's fine." I don't
have any I don't really have a problem
with some of this bad things that other
people might have problems with. But I
do think like when I go to
to Target, I'll say if I go Yeah, it's a
great place to go. And there's
like so
many tequilas. Mhm. They're all one kind
of tequila. It's all They're all a
celebrity brand tequila of of one
variety. It's not like they like put in
a ton of effort to make it cuz you know
I think we recently talked about Paul
Fig. Paul Fig has a gin. Yes. But that's
like his passion. Yeah. He's virtually a
chemist. Yes. And so that's great to me.
But just And my passion is partying. It
was. No, it is. That's what Ted Seager
is all about. You can still [ __ ]
rage. You don't have to have alcohol.
Yeah. But do you think you rage? Oh my
god. Yes. Aaron and I party hard. I
don't mean to poke holes in your
business. barbecue, laughing, screaming,
five of them, not the sip one, of
course, empty can. It's a party. Yeah,
but I think most people think when they
hear party, they think like club 4 a.m.
like, oh, they they're not thinking
about it correctly. I I agree. Parties
is a state of mind. And I'm going to
drop into a carefree tomorrow never
comes attitude. That's a party to me.
I'm about parties, too, then. Yeah, we
party. We [ __ ] get down here. What
are you talking about? This is a major
party. I'm just telling you what the
colloquial observation of the word party
that they think it has to involve being
intoxicated and being out late. People
think partying is being out late and
they don't party with me cuz I'm in bed
by 8. Yes. Yes. Yes. But Aaron and I
will be out late. Okay. Rarely. Rarely.
But we would be honest that it's rare.
Yeah. But we used to get panicked
because you haven't taken your sleep
aids. I'll give you a prime example.
Aaron and I will be, which happens
often. We're both binging a show
together. And it's midnight. We should
go to bed. And I go, "You just want to
[ __ ] party." And he's like, "Yeah,
let's [ __ ] go." And that means we'll
watch till maybe 3:00 a.m. cuz
tomorrow's not coming. That's tomorrow.
Dax's problem. BTDI. That's like how I
lived. I watched all of Running Point on
Saturday. I watched the whole show.
Right. Let it rip. Party. Up late and I
guess I was partying. Yes. I don't think
we should let the people just people who
are getting intoxicated own the space
partying. I I I like it. You're
reclaiming. That's right. Wait, back to
I want to I want to spend a little more
time on this because I think I think you're
you're
representing a how a lot of people feel
like, oh god, this guy's got a vodka
now, right? I don't mean to. Yeah, but I
think a lot of people feel that way.
Yeah. And I guess I can see it from both
sides. Well, let me be clear really
quick. To me, it's not about like, oh,
this guy has. It's not about the the guy
or the girl or the whatever. It's not
about the person. It's about the space.
It's like, guys, we just don't need
another one of these, right? You're more
like the category is Yeah. Pick a new
category. Get a little creative. Look
and see what's needed, then do that.
That's what's cool about Danny Ricardo.
No, he didn't. Nope.
Danny DeVito. Oh, he did lematurure.
What is it? Lemonchello. I love lemonch
cello. Lemonchello. Like when we did
went in Rome 18 years ago, he had ahead
of the game. He had lemon cello cuz
that's his drink. This is the same with
beauty. Beauty insiders
also feel like this like wow everyone
has a makeup brand or a beauty brand or
exact something. And I agree, but I also
think there is some space there. Like I
do like the people who are coming in
with a more diverse color palette. Okay.
Sure. Some browns and light browns.
Yeah. Cuz there's a lot of whitey.
There's Well, there's just a lot of
variation within darker colors and that
that's not available. I was just asking
Simone yesterday. I was like, "What did
you put on my face again for for the SAG
awards?" And she was like, "I used to
She had to do some Yeah. You got to use
chemistry. That's right. Oh, I was only
gonna not that anyone cares. I don't
even know why I'm saying this, but I'm
going to. If you look at the
last six spirits that were created and
then became valuated over a billion
dollars or multiple billions of dollars,
the truth is four of those five are
celebrity driven. Whether it's Conor
McGregor or it's um the handsome Clooney
Mlooney, George Cloon. But his is good.
Well, yeah, they could be good or they
could be I guess but I guess with that I
I didn't even know that was his brand. I
was drinking it. Kasmigos. Kasamigos.
Shout out. Yes, I was drinking. You
already exited, I think. Oh, good for
him. Um and then I was then I
learned like I think he invested in
that, right? Oh, he was right out in
front of
Yeah. Yeah. There's several. They have
worked. And what you have to acknowledge
is if you're a distiller, a distiller or
a distillery. Um, breaking through this
insanely cluttered space is nearly
[ __ ] impossible. You would really
have to spend hundreds of millions of
dollars marketing this product. Yeah. Or
you get The Rock to talk about it on his
Instagram. You save yourself several
hundred million dollars and it breaks
through. So, it's like, but that's
selling. That's like he's the spokes.
I'm fine with spokespeople. No, he
started that. He's one of the founders.
That's what I'm saying. That's
different. Starting something, founding
something, having your own idea, and
doing it to me is is
like now I'm now I'm confused about what
I'm even saying. And me too a bit, which
I think is a the sign of a good
conversation is you're like trying to
figure out what your position is midway
through. I don't care. Everyone can do
it. There's just a lot of products out
there. I want to explain the landscape
and why it's irresistible for
distilleries and and you know spirits because
because
you almost can't do it to just have like
a novel recipe and try to penetrate. I
agree like Kristen were was with Spindri
for a while, right? That to me is great.
Like she likes the product and it exists
and she is helping promote it. She's a
spokesperson. But I think if she on her
own was like and like you guys did it
with Hello Bella because you felt like
that there was a need. Yeah. Yeah. But
if she own people on a budget to have
the same [ __ ] we have. Yes. But I think
if she on her own was just like what
product shall I make now? Yeah. Okay.
I'll make vodka. Right. And I don't
drink. Yeah. Or just anything. It's like
she didn't do that and I appreciate
that. Like I think just being hired is
great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am.
Please hire me to be a spokesperson. No,
I think you just No, I This is This is
nuanced. I would like to be a
spokesperson for your product that
already exists, but I don't want to
clutter the market with a new one. Don't
you think it might be fair to also
acknowledge is like however you feel
about the new celebrity uh product is
virtually just how you feel about that
celebrity because like when Clooney does
it, you're like, "Oh, cool. He's super
classy and elevated and I bet his
tequila's top shelf and you won't get a
hangover. It is. And then you see I
don't even want to say a name, but you
know there's like a a whole legion of
people you would see with a product and
be like, "Well, I don't even like their
vibe to begin with." And it reeks of
cash grab. Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah,
that's all part of it. I'll have
everyone know if it makes them feel
better. I have lost hundreds of
thousands of dollars on Ted
Seagars. So, no, I made this clear that
I I think that's different. Um Oh,
mine's also a mission to be with my two
friends. Yeah, that's great. Everyone do
whatever they want. Yeah, just do it.
And I don't care if you think I'm a I'll
just Yeah, I guess it is important to me
that everyone recognize that this is not
a cash grab. No one came to me. This is
all selfi finance and I'm probably lose
my shirt, but again, I'm having a blast
with Aaron. We were at a [ __ ]
convention just now on stage. Cash grabs
in the right. Yeah, there's the right.
Listen, I'm a part of some cash.
Everything's fine. Me, too. Everything's
fine. Everyone's doing great. Everyone's
trying to make it. What else? How was
your weekend? We haven't discussed
weekends. Yeah. Tell me. Um, as I said,
I watched all of Running Point. Really
enjoyed it. I miss that halfhour comedy
vibe a lot. Yeah. It's such an e It's
just easy. It's breezy. It's fun. It's
It's sexy. It's I like it. Um, so I
watch all that. Oh, speaking of on my
Instagram this week because it's it's
Mindy week. Although when this comes
out, it won't be Mindy week. It will
have passed. But, um, it's Mindy week.
So, every day this week, I'm posting on
stories an old episode of
ours that is connected to Running Point.
So, like yesterday, I posted Kate's old
episode. I posted Ike's first
appearance. Wow. Yeah. And then there's
more to come. Oh my god. We've had a lot
of those people on. Yeah. Who else? Max.
Oh yeah. Max Greenfield.
Sweet Max, who I love. Yeah. Well, I'm
glad you finished that whole You plowed
right through and felt great and you
woke up and felt good in the morning.
Yeah, I was I was very happy. You didn't
feel You didn't feel guilty for partying
too hard. Yeah. Good. No, I didn't. I
felt great about it. Wonderful. What
else did I do? Oh, I had a big catchup session
session
um with my viewing crew because we were
behind and we watched White Lotus and
Severance. We were behind so we had to
watch two severance to White Lotus. You
have not introduced me to this viewing
crew concept. This is You just dropped
it on my lap like I'm super familiar
with. I told you Anna Julia Jess and I
watched that. Watch Severance and White
Lotus. I You told me you had watched an
episode. I didn't realize it was a
commitment and a viewing crew and a
weekly. Yeah, it's a weekly Sunday. What
fun. Sunday I make dinner. The funnest
times of my whole life were watching
Sopranos on Sunday nights and making
Italian food. Yeah. Yeah. So fun. The
problem is when you miss gotch. It's a
problem. Yeah. When you get it, it's a
gotaguch. And when you miss, it's a got
to. Okay. Are you in soprano? Yeah, I'm
in soprano. Yeah. Um, yeah. No, it's a
it's like then we have four to watch.
That was a lot. When you miss an a week
of viewing, I thought you meant when you
miss cooking. Oh, yeah. I didn't know
what you were doing. Okay. Yeah. Missing
would be Oh, [ __ ] [ __ ] Okay. Okay.
Um, so we had to watch four episodes. Oh
my god. That was your Sunday? Yeah.
Which was also very fun. It was fun. It
was fun. But then the Oscars were also
on. Oh, and you got to watch those. So,
I had to watch pieces of that. So, it
was a lot of television consumption over
the weekend. I had a television party,
too, because I got early screeners for
Drive to Survive and I had the boys
over. Cool. To watch. And um what a
show. What a show. Boy, do they build
the suspense for the season which kicks
off in a week. Oh, I can't wait. Testing
happened. some surprises. Some big
exciting surprises. How's my boyfriend?
Does he do well? Does he Who's your
current boyfriend? Toto. He's one of my
boyfriends. Oh, now he's your boyfriend.
He's definitely been one of my
boyfriends since he came on the show.
Since he came on the show, but prior to
that, yeah, it was Ricardo or Buzz.
Well, Ricardo still is not there. He's a garg.
garg.
Yeah, Danny. Danny Ricardo. You can't
even look. Um, yeah, great total. What a
charming son of a [ __ ] He gets you
several times in the three episodes. I
Yes, he's so playful. God, he really is
so playful. But back to testing. Carlos
signs, who we love, sexiest man on the
grid, best lay father is a legend. Boooo
pants. Don't say that about him. He was
um unceremoniously let go of Ferrari to
make room for Lewis Hamilton. Okay. And
what was great is that the first half of
the year, Carlos was destroying. He was
beating who I love. But it was fun cuz
he's like, "Oh, you're going to fire me
and keep Charles. Let me beat Charles
for a while." Very exciting. Oh, this is
great. He went to Williams. Always a
bottom three team. In testing first test
session, Carlos Science had the fastest
lap in a Williams. That's Talk about a
little bit of poetic justice. You love a
comeback. Underdog. An underdog. This is
straight underdog. You know, I have very
specific compartments for my stories as
we learned on the last fact check. What
do you mean? Wait, I forget. Well, I was
like, no, no, this is a climbing the
ladder becoming a CEO story. This isn't
a dreams come true story. That's too
broad of a blanket. Sure. So, this one
is specifically underdog. Yeah, but it's
like underdog revenge. It's re That's
what it is. It's not underdog, I don't
think. Well, he's on an underdog team. I
know, but there's two stories happening.
It's just hard to call him an underdog.
But the Williams story is an underdog
story. And then the Carlos SC is a
revenge is a dish best served hot and
straight up your ass on week one of
testing. And I won't clean my ass after.
Don't say that. It's my opinion. I mean,
that's the world we live in. Opinions
are facts. Just say it and it's a fact.
That's right. Opinions are facts. Don't
talk back. Yeah. So, all right. Well,
that's fun. You had a viewing party.
Yeah, that was a really good time. Had a
double date on Saturday night at a
steakhouse by the people who do
Sugarfish. Oh, nice. And you can expect
it's the steak version of Sugarfish.
Where? What? Matu. Oh, I've been there.
You have? God. Yeah, the Philly. They do
also have Oh, the Philly cheese steak.
So good. Oh my god. That was dessert. We
got this crazy like all-in meal and the
dessert was that frigin. It's that is
that's the best I mean people in
Philadelphia are gonna slip my throat,
but it's the best Philly cheese steak
I've ever had. And I've had them in
Philadelphia. What's a wagoo? Yeah,
right. Is a wagoo. You You mispronounced
it, but yeah. Oh god. Got a gu. Oh,
you've been hanging out with too many
bros. Now you talk. Now you talk like
that. One evening with Aaron and Aaron
who are not Aaron and Aaron are not the
bros I'm talking about. They're not bros
at all. I love them. Yeah, they're very
unbrolike. I know. That's why I love
them. We went and saw the Led Zeppelin
documentary yesterday. Fun. And IMAX.
Fun. Actually, I was thinking about
that. This is a Easter egg. You know,
you I can't wait to watch you tap dance
around this. I already know what's
coming and I'm like watching you play.
You're like testing the ice to see if
you're going to fall through before you
say it. I know. For someone who is
pretty riskaverse, I'm really not. I
step on the ice all the time. Yeah,
you're mixed messes for sure. I do think
you connect with bro culture like in
your head you think that like you grew
up in Michigan and you know it's dirt
road and you have all these bros and and
then other kinds of bros in Detroit like
you really connect with that idea. Oh
okay. Well so far I can agree with you.
I can hang with the bros like I'm
totally comfortable. Sure. Yeah. But I
think you sometimes identify
sometimes. Well, maybe it's just when
you're with them. I don't know. But I
And I mean this as a huge compliment.
Yeah. Yeah. You are not one. Oh, I know.
And like your bros Yeah. are sweet boys.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. The errands. All my
friends from Michigan are sweethearts.
We fist fought a lot, but we were all of
them are very sweet boys. That's like I
think that there's a distinction for me
if I dare. I'm now on the ice. I think
you had some pretty binary categories
and I don't know that you had the
category of boys who were super sweet to
their moms and their sisters and also
fought at the bar, right? And I think
that's the category that the errands and
I are in. Yeah, that's that's right. I
think the broke culture that people talk about
about
is diff is different than what you have
and what you're doing. I do too. Yeah. I
just I think a lot of the bro culture
without naming names is in deep search
of masculinity.
Yeah. And I think I've been lucky enough
to achieve a lot of that masculinity.
Like I think there's a lot of guys who
act tough who they've never challenged
themselves to find out if they are and
they have this fear that they're not and
they're kind of compensating. So I can
hang in those circles cuz I am often the
thing some of these guys are purporting
to be. But I don't act like a blowhard
or I try not to act like a blowhard.
Yeah. But like some people do do put it
to the test like Rogan like he goes and
he's like in the UFC. Oh yeah. Yeah. He
trains he's he has but his story as I've
learned from other people is he was a
bullied kid. He's short. I think he was
bullied and I think he didn't want to
ever feel that again. And I think he
made himself strong and learned how to
fight and I think he's he's I'm assuming
he's kind of honest about that. Yeah.
But he surround he he he's choosing
still to surround himself and build a a
a life that's that's still like
that. Stay tuned for more armchair
expert if you dare. [Music]
I think it could be misleading if you
only evaluate Rogan by the 15 most
flagrant guests he's had instead of the
dude's done 2,000 episodes of his show
and he's also really good friends with
Chappelle. He I think he's a comedian
first. He I think if we were to
interview him I think he would most
identify he's a comedian. He UFC is not
first. He's much happier in a green room
with all com comics. Yeah, I think
that's his allegiance and his tribe. And
then I think as I'm crazy into cars,
he's crazy into UFC. And then that that
invites UFC fighters. Now, those guys,
yeah, I'm not a lot of them, you know, I
don't have much to defend about, right,
their world view, but I don't know that
it's entirely fair to graph on to Rogan
who his 15 craziest guests are cuz he
also has that's fair other guests in the
opposite D. If if there's anything I'll
say about him, he's incredibly fair
about everyone there is kind of welcome.
If anything, he's just really attracted
to super provocative ideas. Sometimes
they're on the left, sometimes they're
on the right. He I listened to a speech
he made the other day that was like I'm
not on the I'm not in either of your
club. What I think is crazy is to be in
a club. So I don't think he is he
himself selfidentifies as much as the
left thinks he does with being a
conservative. But I think he's a bit of
a big bad wolf on the left and I don't I
personally don't think he is. Yeah. I
mean, I I don't know that I'll say he's
a big bad wolf, but do I think he's Do I
think he
contributes to a culture that I think is
problematic? Yes. Do I And and that
doesn't mean he himself necessarily is
that. But I think he feeds the that
group what they want and then they get
off on it. Well, again, I think they
listen to the 15 episodes that we would
then talk about in droves and then they
they I mean, he obviously is the biggest
show in the world. Oh. By by 5 10x.
Yeah. It's not It's not that they're
picking and choosing. He he has a huge
audience that he I I believe cares to
keep as you should. Yeah. And and I
think that means feeding feeding it.
See, that's where I might disagree. I
don't think he's led by his audience at
all. Like I think he is actually
insanely true to who he just is. That's
why I respect him a lot. I don't think
he's chasing that audience. I think he's
him and a big swath of the country loves
that. Mhm. Yeah. I see other people
chasing that and trying to be
opportunistic about that. Yeah. And I I
just don't think that's him. I think
he's been the same [ __ ] dude for 12
years on his show. I only wondered
because again, Easter egg, we have
someone coming out and we have we have
two people coming out that are in my
opinion, well, one of them especially is quite
quite
atypicalish of atypical or atypical.
Atypical of our guests. Sure. Sure.
Sure. And the type of conversation even
is different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and
I did think I wonder what would happen
like in an alternate universe. What
would happen if I wasn't here? Not in
this in in this show. If it was Dax
Solo, what would happen with the show?
Who would it be? What would it be? I
mean, there's I think there's no way to
know because of like the the alchemy.
You can't you can't tell, right? But I
did, you know, after I was like, "Oh,
man. I wonder." Then we went out and
your friends were here, errands, the
errands were here, and I was like, "Oh,
I don't." It wouldn't be that. I think
the way you can test it is I've gone on
these people's shows, and I'm just still
me. I'm talking about trauma and
addiction and being vulnerable. Yeah.
Even in the the lion's den of these
dudes. Yeah. But again, I I am I have
the gift of having done all the stuff. I
don't ever feel like I need to inflate
or bonafy my masculinity. Prove
yourself. I don't. I'm so comfortable
like when it goes into those zones that
I actually like. If it's about cars or a
great boxing match, I do like that
stuff, but I don't ever need to join.
Bragging about those things. No, but
also I but I do I was thinking Yes,
you're right. I I think you would be
talking about trauma and you would
be whatever you know. I I agree you are you.
you.
But I was and this is not a this is not
a pat on my back cuz it was you who said
that I should be here. Yeah. I do think
it's just so [ __ ] important to have a
woman in the room. I mean we've had so
many especially one that's empowered.
Yes. Like if you were to guest on one of
their shows, it would be dicey. I don't
you know, it would be hard. It would be
hard. It would be hard. But these people
are on your show. Yeah. But I Yeah.
Well, yeah. Sorry. I mean I mean as
hosts like it is really important to
have a woman there. It changes the
dynamic of everything even if I'm
silent. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, now
you now what I would now I would agree
with is the guest, one of the two would
have gone further. Now, I wouldn't have
joined him, but he would have certainly
gone further. Well, here's where we
might disagree. So, yes, in this
situation, of course, I'm couldn't be
more grateful you're here at all times,
and this show absolutely needs you. Now,
I don't mind at all if there's a podcast
with five guys talking about guy [ __ ]
That's okay. We don't need a We don't
have to have a woman there. And we don't
need a man when there's a podcast of
five women talking about women [ __ ] I
don't think we need representation in
all places. It's it's plenty fine if
girls have a podcast and boys have a
podcast. That doesn't bother me at all.
Yeah. And boys can go ahead and talk
about the UFC the whole time and who
paid for dinner, all that stuff. That
like that shouldn't that's not the
enemy, I don't think. Yeah. Again, I I
don't think it's the enemy. I think they
should be able to do that. I there's I'm
not like you can't but I think like if
women shows don't need a man which they
don't. I don't think men's show need a
woman. Yeah. I mean then we get into
like women are talking about the things
that aren't being talked about because
that is not a group that gets a lot of
attention in that way. Like they're
talking about not getting paid. That is
important to talk about, right? Like I
don't think men on the men's podcasts
are saying like yeah women aren't
getting paid. That's to me sounds like
you're saying one is superior to the
other. That one has an ethical drive and
the other one is inane. And so no I
didn't say that's that's putting words
in my mouth. I I know. I'm telling you
what it sounds like. It sounds like
you're saying a women's show is needed
and they're they're a part of some kind
of good movement and the men's one is is
not. No, it's just representation. It's
just that that group needs they do need
more platforms to talk because there
aren't there aren't that many. So, it is
good to have I don't mean I'm not I also
think the women should have men on. I
think it's like I don't think The View
needs a man. I don't think Alex Cooper
needs a man. I think there's a Yeah,
you're Yes, that's true. There's tons of
very successful shows that are femaleled
and that's awesome there and they don't
need anything.
they are doing the show they want to do
and the audience who's consuming it
wants that show. Yeah, I agree. And I
the same has to be applied to the guys.
I agree. I agree. But I do think there's
a lot of
ideas currently. I mean, not even ideas.
We know we know what's happening to men.
Men are suffering. They are tanking.
Mhm. And I don't I often think some of
these things don't help
that personally for them. I think they
get very riled up and then they're just
continuing to do on to go on this course
that is not going to pull them out of
any of these ruts. I'm just saying I
don't think they have advice for how
the female dominated shows should be or
shouldn't be. I I don't think they're
telling anyone how your show should be
or how female shows should be, but I
think a lot of those men would feel
like, why are you even telling us what
our show has to be? Like, just don't
listen to our show if you don't want to
hear a bunch of talk about fighting and
stuff. Who cares? No. The the reason to
care is the implication it has on a huge
group of this country, sort of a
currently like kind of disenfranchised
male. Mhm. And they're like rallying
around. Yeah. And as I mean as they
should as But it's not working. It's not
getting them out of any of these bad
situations that they're in. I hate to
say this, it is working cuz they got
their president in there and they're all
suffering. I I mean literally all of
those people are I'm not agree freaking
out right now because I don't have any
money and they can't buy anything and
everything's gone. I don't want Trump to
be president. I don't agree with I I
mean name the thing that's going
on. But if the disenfranchise if you
make those folks black, take them out of
that they're white men, the black
community totally disenfranchised. You
get hiphop, you get rap, you get this
empowering art that comes out of it. And
for anyone who is sitting on the
sidelines telling Ice Cube how he should
be dealing with the situation when he's
got tons of raps about shooting people
and hating white people, the people that
were on the outside telling him how he
should deal with growing up in South
Central, we would both agree they should
shut the [ __ ] up cuz that's the
disenfranchised group and you're hearing
their voice now. So now there's another
disenfranchised group and they're doing
what generally people do that are
disenfranchised. They bond together over
that and then they try to get someone
they think is going to represent their
cause and those
people won the election.
Yeah. And they're going to and they and
it's and your your opinion is they'll
they'll suffer more under this
president. No, it's not my that is fact.
I don't think they're going to benefit.
But what I can say is we don't know the
result cuz four years isn't up. But what
we started just talking about is that
they they got their president and they
did. Yeah. And my opinion is that their
president that they all got [ __ ]
fooled and I don't think that I I do
think there's a respon maybe not a
responsibility. I would I would find it
to be my responsibility if we had a show
if our show if I started looking at our
audience and I was like hm our audience
is all believing something that I don't
think is actually correct
and is actually going to lead them to
suffer. I would want to do something
here to try to help cor help correct
that while keeping them apart. I just
think if your goal is to help this
disenfranchised group, I think saying
your conclusion is they got fooled,
which is if I'm them and I hear you say
you all got fooled. What I'm hearing you
say is you're smarter than I am and I
got fooled and I'm a fool. I think a
good chunk of men feel like all they've
been hearing for 10 years is how
terrible men are. I know you. Yeah, I
really believe that. Yeah. And I think
it's pretty predictable that this group
that's being told they're toxic and
terrible for 10 years is going to at
some point go, "Well, then [ __ ] you."
Yeah. And I think that's what you're
seeing. And I think if our continued
approach is to tell all of them that
they're terrible, Yeah. you're going to
see more of this. I think if you want
young men to be on our side, you have to
invite them. And I think you have to
make it seem like they're welcomed and
would we we'd be delighted to have them.
Yeah. And I think the messaging towards
men over the last decade has not made a
lot of them feel that way. Yeah, that's
pro. I'm sure that's right. And I think
even if they don't have a job, they're
un let's say they're unemployed today
and then they're unemployed in four
years, but at least someone got up and
said, "Hey, I'm not apologizing that I
was born male and I'm sick of hearing
the bullshit." then maybe that win for
them would be better if they're
unemployed on both sides of it. Okay,
then they can live their life like that.
Like that's I that is well that's a I
think that's a really it's very unfair
in my opinion for you to say that like
every so women have to do what women
always have to do which is plate men
because they have the power and say like
oh my god it's so you guys are so great
please come over we we huge gap Monica
between you're so great and just you're
so shitty. I think and you you could
argue and win that it's justified. So
yes, I think my general feeling about
women is much more positive than your
general feeling about men. And you could
argue that that's totally justified
because they're the patriarchy. They
commit the sex crimes. They do all the
murdering. Those are great reasons. And
I I'm not even going to argue. But I do
think my overall opinion of women is
higher than your overall opinion of men.
And I think I I feel it. Do you think
that's an accurate assessment that you
your overall opinion of men is much is
lower than my opinion of women than your
overall opinion? Um, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
But yes, for like being a woman in
America, that's not I I mean I I don't
know how to combat like you you you did
just kind of put me in a you did paint
me in a in a way like Yes, I know.
Because men Yeah. And I get it. And I
get it. And it's justified. So if you're
a man and I I'm a man and yes, there are
pedophiles that are men and there's
rapists that are men and there's a lot
of bad men. But if you paint me with the
same brush as those men, if you're
conflating me with those other people,
now I'm a group and now I have a group
identity. But that's not fair to I don't
think we have so many men who come on
this show, experts and and celebrities.
I'm not when they walk in, I'm not like,
"Well, I don't trust you or I'm not sure
if I like you." I I'm like, "Yes, I like
you." Until I until Yeah. something is
said or done that I where I don't Yeah.
I never experience it when we're
interviewing a guest. But that's me
interacting with many. I I experience it
when we do Armchair Anonymous and we're
listening to a woman's story. That's
when I observe it where it's like
there's no benefit of a doubt to the man
that's being talked
about. You'll generally go to, you know,
they're a terrible the girl who [ __ ] on
her boyfriend and he threw up and, you
know, that's where I'll notice it where
I where I'll go like, wow, I think
Monica's opinion of men is pretty low.
She's, you know, quick to assume the the
man in this story is the problem and not
the woman or that it would be equal,
maybe. And I think a lot of people feel
that way. And again, men have earned
that. But I'm not that man. And so many
of the men are not that men. And we
don't like it. Okay? Just like you
wouldn't like any negative stereotype
about Indians or women. You wouldn't
like it. But if I'm behaving in that
stereotype, I it's for you to lump you
in is a little like, well, I'm a man,
but I know you, right? You're my It's
not like you're a random man. I am. My
opinion of you is based on you and you
and me. It is not about any anything
stereotypical, right? I can tell you I
go to Kristen's cabaret show and there's
a woman host of it. She It's her show
and she does seven minutes on the world
would be perfect if there was an island
and it just had women on it and there
was no men and all the women clap in the
audience. That's a real thing that's
totally fine to say in public right now
and in fact gets applauded. And I'm a
dude in the audience and I'm like, "This
is a weird We're in a weird pattern
right now where this is not only fine
but applauded." And I'm looking at the
seven men in the room and I'm like,
"Yeah, this is weird. There's never been
Mhm. It's just if if that was the same
thing that was being done and men were
going, Dream World is a island with no
women." and everyone clapped, I'd go I
would go, "You guys are fucked." No, I
know. But but it's I think there's some
contradictions here because also when
these standups are making jokes about
women or other people of other races or
whatever. And in your response, which I
I think is correct, is if you don't like
it, don't watch it. Uhhuh. This is the
same thing. Why? Why is it if it's a
woman doing it, it's like that's really
bad, but the when men say something
sexist, you can you say like, "Well,
just yeah, that's not for you. Don't
watch it." No, I'm never laughing that a
guy goes, "Women suck and men should all
be together." I've never enjoyed a
stand-up routine or laughed at a joke
that that was that complicated. Her
entire thing was just, "Wouldn't it be
great if there were no men?" Now, had
she crafted an incredible joke and it
was funny, I would laugh at it for sure.
I don't have that big of a chip on my
shoulder. I'm just saying that's a weird
vibe and I'm in that kind of often and
I'm pretty evolved and I still go h this
is I don't want to be a man in this
room. I don't know why you hate men
across the board. I don't think you
should hate me. And I am semi-evolved.
So I'm imagining all these other kids
that are unemployed and and hearing that
sentiment and just going like okay I
guess it's us against them. Yeah. I
don't think most of the people in the
country are hearing the woman at the
cabaret show. I think that's very Los
Angeles and very New York. I don't think
that is happening. Yeah. But do you
agree at all that that's a weird thing
or no? What's a to say that the cabaret
show I went to? I think it's silly. I
don't agree with that. But I think her
saying it is is
not is Yeah. Some people are saying it
just like men are saying bad [ __ ] too.
And I and I'm just
like if we're going to say that it's
okay for those people to be saying those
things and we just can like have you
know we cannot listen or they can speak
to their people then I think that has to
be allowed anywhere. Oh yeah. I'm only
pointing out that that's happening.
Yeah. It's again it's happening on both
sides like crazy. But I and I don't
think that that cabaret host needs a
male and present. She's fine to do that
in her followers. She probably does
[ __ ] need a man there that she likes.
She does that. Actually, that's exact.
That's a perfect point. If she had
someone there that she did trust and
know and like that was a man, I doubt
that would be her opinion. But the fact
that she is so potentially I don't know
anything about this person but is so
siloed off and and that so much so that
that is her opinion that the world would
be would be better with no men that to
me is an indication that she needs to
have some more men in her life that are
good. I think that's a semi I don't
think that's a single-digit opinion. But
it's a but it to me that is a silo pro
that's an issue with silos and that's
exactly my whole problem with these
shows that are I think intensifying a
silo and I think you're right it is
happening on both sides where people are
only speaking to one group and these
thoughts are get and opinions are
getting so extreme like we should
eradicate a entire sex and gender like
no that's wild I just think it's a real
bad idea if we're just squaring off
like, okay, it's on. It's it's men
against women. And I think a lot of
people feel that way. And I think that's
a bad I think that's going to have a bad
[ __ ] outcome. It's bad. And I this
like now after an hour is circling back
to the what I was saying, which is I
think there would be less of it's men
versus women if men and women were in
rooms together a lot more and building
trust. I do too. Oh my god.
A long walk there. It was a entertaining
walk. I think a lot of people will have
heard their opinions voiced. Okay. Facts.
Facts.
Lauren. Sweet. Sweet Lauren Graham.
Well, we got a taste of her um what she
was saying with the young kids watching
Gilmore Girls cuz she left the garage
and we were in the yard and Delta had a
friend over from school and that friend
was freaking the [ __ ] out. Delta was
like, who was is Lauren on a show called
Gil? What is it? Gilmore Girls. Yeah,
she the Gilmore Girl. Oh, that it's
still going. An 11year-old.
That's really cute. Um, yeah. Special to
be on a show that just like keeps
finding its audience. Yeah. All right.
So, the book club, Jenna Bush Hagar's
book club. These are the books. The
Wedding People, Blue Sisters, The Mighty
Red, The Motherless Land, Devotions, The
Life Cycle of the Common Octopus, and
This is a Love Story. Those are the
last. That's from August of last year
till now. Lauren, have you read any of
those? No, I'm still reading an
Hermetzo. Okay. So, so stay tuned. Yeah.
And we'll come back to you next week
with that riddle. How long has May been
in show business? 94. When a man loves a
woman, she was six. Okay. 31 years. 30
wonderful years. Wow. That's crazy. And
then 93 she beat me by a decade. Yeah.
She was on Friends and then Lauren was
in 93. So she did beat her by one year.
Okay. 32 years. Yeah. The Howie
Mandel game show that they went to visit
is called Take It All. Did they take it
all? Oh, they were just watching. They
weren't contestants. Yeah, I don't think
they were contestants. But this is ding
ding sort of back to that riddle that we
haven't shared. Um, take it all is a
game show where the final two
contestants choose between keeping their
money or taking it all. The contestant
who chooses take it all wins all the
money and prizes from both contestants.
If both contestants choose take it all,
they both lose. Prisoner games. Yeah,
exactly. Zombardo non-ooperate.
Non-ooperative Milton games. Oh, the SNL
or part series. SNL50. Beyond Saturday
Night includes an episode that explores
a Saturday Night Live audition process.
It's on
Peacock if anyone is interested. The
movie she did with Joel McCale, A Merry
Friaking Christmas with Robin Williams.
How long did This Is Us run? Six
seasons. 106 episodes. You guys ran six
seasons. 103 episodes. Oh, they beat us.
Barely. Just resumed Paradise last
night. Same writer. Yeah, episode 8 was
bad. Oh, I'm behind then. O yeah, it's
back. It's all caught up to what our
screeners were. Oh, great. Yeah. Tasty.
We all watched it. The errands, the
girls, me last night. Yeah. Aaron was on
a second viewing of it. You know, Aaron
sees absolutely every show. That's good.
Yeah. I think that's fun. Yeah.
Oh, man. Um Yeah. Oh, well, I'm excited.
I'm excited to keep watching. Um All
right, that's it. That was all, Lauren.
All right. We love you, Lauren. We
really do. She's a nice I really want
her banana bread. Me, too. But I can't
even have it. If she brings it, you have
to eat some. This is This is Letterman
all over to put us to put a tux on. Yep.
That's right. Um All right. Love you.
Thank you. [Music]
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