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That would be heat, smoke from fires,
air quality, flooding, hurricanes,
disease spread. Um, clear checklist and
concrete steps that families can take to
protect themselves. So, that's the
elevator. That's the elevator pitch. On
a on a personal level, I think my
purpose is really to help people and to
protect them. >> [music]
>> [music]
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>> Hi everyone. Today for our episode of
Climate's Basics, we have a special
guest. It is Sam Sherban, the author of
a brand new book and it's called uh
>> the crisis is here.
>> That's right. Protecting your health in
a Changing World. And so we're very
pleased and honored to have Sam here.
And so just as a brief background of Sam
and how he got to to write this book,
Sam is uh an English major and his life
has been in communication. He found
himself uh on the productive side of a
healthy computer career where he built
uh products and uh digital uh platforms
for various companies. And then after he
had uh done his part helping the world
that way, he decided to move into the
climate and the issues about the
environment. But Sam is one of these
special people. He decided that learning
about it and being conversant in this
area was not enough. Instead, he wanted
to help. And so what did he do? He sat
down for [laughter]
a tremendous amount of time. And
[clears throat] he actually sat down and
he wrote and he wrote and he wrote and
he came up with this wonderful book. And
this book is a couple hundred pages
long. It's a very useful book, very
helpful book. Um, and we're just
delighted to have Sam here because he's
launching the book this month in January
2026. But we just wanted to give you a
very warm welcome. Thank you very much, Sam.
Sam.
>> And thank you for having me. It's so
exciting to be here.
Now Sam, we have so much to talk about
so it's it's almost difficult to figure
out how do we start but why don't we
start with just if you could maybe you
could give our listeners an elevator
pitch as to so in terms of this book if
you were giving an elevator pitch as to
what your book deals with and why people
should be interested and they should be
interested by the way but anyways what
would that be
>> so the I think the real focus is it's a
guide book so it's a practical
actionoriented guide to the major
climate health risks that we face and by
we kind of North America focused So,
America, Canada, and that would be heat,
smoke from fires, air quality, flooding,
hurricanes, disease spread. Um, clear
checklist and concrete steps that
families can take to protect themselves.
So, that's the elevator. That's the
elevator pitch. On a on a personal
level, I think my purpose is really to
help people and to protect them. That's
that's kind of my goal. And by people,
meaning anybody on the street. So, it's
it's the metaphor I use called the ice
cream shop. Uh I live close to Yale
University which is has a giant climate
communication center does a lot of great
climate work but I was having ice cream
at a town very close by and I looked
around me and said like none of these
people understand the climate impacts on
health. They're literally down the road
from this gigantic organization and
university but nobody's communicating to
them. So this was sort of my ice cream
metaphor like I love ice cream. I'll go
to an ice cream shop but who's talking
to the people around me? Who's talking
to just average regular people going
about their lives on this? And how do I
bring all of this information which
isn't really hidden but it's buried in
academic papers and American government
websites which are disappearing. How can
I make this easy to understand and easy
to consume for people?
>> Right. Well, that that's great. I I So,
you know, when when I read this book,
not only do you do the deep dive, so you
do the explanation, but you've also
formatted it and structured it in a way
that it really is a resource guide. You
can put it down, pick it back up, put it
down, and do that over and over over
time. You can doggeear the pages. you
can put little tabs on it so that if
there's uh something that you need to to
to look at, for example, how do I
prepare for an upcoming hurricane or
potential flooding or how do I prepare
if there's a blackout or how do I
prepare if I'm in a region where I am
actually threatened by forest fires?
That and many more topics your book
covers, but it also covers in a way that
if I want to pick it up and go to
chapter 7, for example, I can. And bam,
right right there in chapter 7, I'm into
it. I've got my checklist, but I've also
got the detailed explanation as well as
a guide as to where I can go for more information.
information.
>> Yes, exactly. And so there was a it that
was a bit of a puzzle piece I had to
solve as I was writing the book, which
is what's the structure that's going to
communicate this the best. And in in
prior conversations with Greg, I was
saying, I have a product management
background, and so we're used to
checklists and bullet points and numbers
and summaries and synopsies. And so that
background was super helpful in terms of
communication. Like how can I be as
succinct as possible while still having
like very structured information that's
easy for people to follow.
>> I really think I I really think you did
manage that. I've spent so many times
with different books about the climate
and rather than talking about the
philosophy of humans and nature or
indigenous design methods or uh the
history of the East India Company or the
population of pollinating species in
different regions instead of going
abstract you went so applicable you went
so pragmatic so that anyone with
starting from zero which is actually
really the the intended audience for
this podcast uh can just pick it up and
actually start making today real changes
is to make themselves more resilient to
these potential effects of climate
change. Really? Exactly. Exactly. The
the first draft was more kind of
nebulous and philosophical and spiritual
and I got a lot of good feedback from my
editors going we got to bring this down
to earth and I had to find a way of
summarizing that information to make it
clear for people because that is what's
missing is um we do want to it's what I
call kind of the low earth orbit
approach meaning we look at climate as a
gigantic interplay of systems and forces
and we look at climate solutions like
project draw down with you know hundreds
analyzing hundreds of solutions. How do
we go down even smaller kind of to the
personal level to the household level?
And typically climate impacts don't
really talk about that. They may talk
about energy uh conservation or
winterizing your home or insulation or
your own personal energy use. They don't
necessarily focus on what's the impact
to your medications. How are you going
to power your medical device? What
should you do with that elderly parent?
You know, how do you deal with issues of
cold, heat, dehydration, flooding, mold?
And so we need we it was a bit of a
weaving of information from a lot of
different sources and a lot of different
places in and making that succinct and bite-size.
bite-size.
>> Yeah, absolutely. And so your book is uh
catering towards um primarily the US
market because of course your book is
comprehensive. So you know even in the
US as everybody knows there are so many
different uh environmental uh disasters
or crisises that that can arise. So your
book actually handles all of them and it
does it well. So you know in terms of
this it's a pretty much a grab bag. You
know where do you start? But what if
it's okay I'd like to start with forest
fires because forest fires you know as a
topic it's just I mean it's frightening.
It's the horror movie come to life but
unfortunately for us and unfortunately
for the the young generation you know
it's not rare anymore. Um and it does
seem that it's not all in the US. I
mean, Canada has its more than fair
share, but it really does dominate the
news because the forest fire itself is
nearly impossible to contain. What do
you do, you know, and you're just
waiting, you're waiting for disaster to
visit upon you. And so, you have looked
into that topic and you've also given
some very practical advice. Maybe you
can talk about some of that.
>> Yeah, I think something that we want to
bring up is we have areas where people
are quote unquote used to fires, but now
we have forest fires appearing in areas
that were very unprepared. And a great
example is my state of Connecticut where
last year even during the fall it was so
dry and it was hot enough that we had
some major forest fires and Connecticut
is a very green state an enormous amount
of tree cover and so people are very
unprepared. So with forest fire if we
want to break it down there's all of the
things you need to do beforehand which
is knowing your evacuation routes having
the right apps on your phone to map the
spread of fire to see the progression of
the fire but there's also just the
self-p protection of air quality. Do you
have masks at home? Do you actually
understand what those air quality
readings mean? Um and how do we pay
attention to them and map um just trends
long term? Good place to um mention
climate versus weather. And so climate
long longer term, months, years,
decades, centuries, millennia, weather,
pretty short term. Um so do you
understand the progression? Do you and
by you the reader, do you understand the
conditions that make for fires? What's
your susceptibility? um on the east
coast for example of the US we were very
susceptible to these giant plumes which
are coming down from Canada which had
turned the sky orange throughout all of
the east coast so there's the air
quality and understanding the danger of
that that uh forest fires themselves
produce immense amount of particulate
matter which is tremendously dangerous
and has very long-term effect so big
topic but if I was to break it down
understand your risk download the
appropriate apps to your phone and we
can go over that and make a list I can
provide some resources for your
listeners understand your evacuation
routes. Uh do that be and so you're not
left scrambling. Understand the
importance of packing a go bag and what
that's going to contain. Where are you
going to go? Do you have the ability to
refill your medications? You have all of
the pet supplies, baby supplies that you
need. So huge what what seems to be like
one disaster is actually rather complex
with all the things you need uh to do.
So, uh, if we were to break that down
into bite-sized bits, uh, awareness
beforehand, evacuation routes, what you
need in a go bag, where you're going to
go, knowing what to do during a fire and
making sure you're up to date on the
right alerts so you can get out and
evacuate if you need to. If you're going
to shelter in place, for example, just
for air quality, no impending fire. Do
you understand um, how to secure your
house, um, how to create clean rooms,
how to create a do-it-yourself air
purifier, things like that?
>> Right. Yeah. Well, I I I I really did um
learn quite a bit from from this
section. I mean, you it is very helpful
what you've done. You've compiled the
sort of the useful information. Uh but
you've also presented a nice way uh so
that it's digestible. Um you know, like
you said, you've broken down into the
fact that extreme heat has an effect on
the human body, whether it's the brain
or the lungs or the heart or the
kidneys, but but you've also broken it
down with the air particulate, which is
that the fire and the smoke. And you've
talked about what cancers can can arise.
You talked about uh cardiovascular
problems, you talked about neurological
problems, you know, you've broken it
down. What I did find interesting and
helpful was that, you know, that you've
you've given some suggestions as to
where people can sign up for alerts. So,
it's a little bit of the pre-planning,
but because fire forest fires move so
quickly, you know, if you're signing up
with your apps and you're on alert,
perhaps that can give you a couple extra
hours, which can make the difference
between, you know, getting out safely
versus scrambling.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Um, and there also a
lot of other issues in terms of, you
know, do you have a plan for your pets?
Do you know where to go in terms of
shelter to bring your pets? Do you know
what you need to bring to that shelter?
So, there's a section on on pets and
evacuation. So, fires are kind of two
things, which is air quality and
protecting yourself, but also evacuating
and and where where are you going and
how long can you stay there and and are
you aware of your local shelters
>> and how to access them and find where
they are. And uh to address the general
format and content, something I really
liked about this book, you know, there's
so much media these days of charismatic
individuals telling us what the
information is. You avoid that. Instead,
you tell us how to get the information
for ourselves and that is uh an
intellectually superior position and I
really respect your respect for the
audience in choosing that.
>> I love it. Thank you. Yeah, I think that
one of the things that we have to do
particularly in an American environment
is be very careful of how we curate the
information that we're taking in. Where
should we go for that? How can we filter
it out? And uh to your earlier point,
kind of one of the subtextes of the book
is we need to build community. So
community locally, but community in
terms of social media. How do we
communicate crises and health events
using media tools? How do we use um X,
Instagram, Reddit, Telegram, Signal,
WhatsApp? How can we build groups to
communicate this information? And how
can we share a correct and vetted public
health information in the midst of an emergency?
emergency?
>> It was also fun seeing you mention the
uh purple air monitors. That was
actually in my experience in public
health. Uh one of the programs we did
was helping to set up those purple air
monitors across uh across my hometown.
>> Love it. Well, You know, I think um
you've brought up this issue about
community which I think ties into uh the
health care issue because of course the
US has particular challenges when it
comes to healthcare. Not everybody has
has the the goldplated or platinum
plated healthcare and if you don't have
healthcare that takes care of everything
then you really have to be out of sheer
necessity. You have to be proactive. Um
some of the suggestions among the many
that you make in your book um you say
that if you are pre-planning you may
wish to have your medical records
downloaded and sort of available on the
cloud so that if you do get stuck
somewhere and you need medical attention
that it's readily accessible through by
the hospital by the practitioners in a
way that you can tell them well go to
this site and get my medical records. Um
I also really enjoyed I hadn't thought
of it but you said that community is is
huge community getting to know your
local area but also having such
practical um sort of advice as develop a
communication tree when when the
infrastructure around you is collapsing
when everybody is running because they
they actually quite literally need to
run then and you're looking for those
who are the most vulnerable the old the
disabled [snorts] the young then
communication trees could mean the
difference between finding someone and not.
not. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Exactly. So, you know, even things like
a ham radio. Let me go get my um
>> I think he has a ham radio.
>> No, I got my Noah weather radio. So,
it's always important to have. So, so to
be really to prepared, I want to go back
to your earlier question about
>> health insurance and and and um what we
can call the electronic health record.
This was in conversations with emergency
room physicians who had helped people
like during Hurricane Katrina when you
had giant stadiums filled with people.
Somebody arrives unconscious, they have
no idea what medical conditions they
have. there's no information. So, some
people do have medical IDs or medical
bracelets, but now we have the
technology that you can download all of
this, even if you download it to your phone.
phone.
>> We tend to have, at least in America,
medical records in thousands of places,
doctor offices and your health insurance
companies and your lab test reports, but
if you can gather it in one place so
it's available and certainly we have the
ability to store that securely on the
cloud, super helpful if you have to
evacuate or go to a new place or
relocate for a period of time. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. and and uh even even suggestions
like you um you provide some guidance
here if if anybody wants to get first
aid training in order to be useful not
only to themselves but to the community
around them and you you actually provide
some information about free online
training for first aid but but you talk
about then uh being a little bit more I
guess in the proactive sense being a
little bit more broad in terms of the
scope which is that
>> perhaps trying to not only have a
communication tree amongst the community
but also making sure that there are
enough people or select people who have
first aid training themselves so that
you're not just you're not just sort of
keeping that useful uh skill within one
or two people but just having it broad
and so I I think that that sort of call
to action for a community-minded
response to some pre-planning to having
that information and then distributing
amongst the community I think that's you
know I think that's very useful because
um decades past perhaps that's you know
pie in the sky or it's just being very
very careful but but as you've said in
certain regions this is nothing but just
sort of you know just avoiding
malpractice in a sense like just just
wow this is basic we need this type of preparation
preparation
>> yeah I think one of the subtext of the
book is and one of the things that I've
been seeing over the past several years
is a lot of healthc care is going to
move to a disaster footing or an
emergency footing because climate events
are really gigantic public health
disasters that can impact thousands tens
of thousands in some cases hundreds of
thousands of people if they're without
power or without water or if they become
stranded and isolated due to a flood. So
so much of preparation is going to be
done at the community level that
emergency services are going to be
overwhelmed. So what people do to build
that community resilience or social
connectivity now to prepare themselves
because the the line that I use is that
we're at the beginning of the horror
movie. We're not in the middle at the
end. And so we have time to prepare um
because climate events are just going to
increase. The severity of storms will
increase. The heat will increase. The
cold will increase. Flooding will
increase. So, how can we uh look at our
reality with new eyes? How can we
examine where we live, our
vulnerabilities to prepare ourselves?
>> That's great. And really again, the the
scale question, you mentioned draw down
earlier. Great website. For those of you
who haven't checked it out, check it
out. But knowing that refrigerants are a
huge issue or that we should be growing
more kelp in the oceans, that doesn't
give me personally a lot of actionables,
right? And likewise for that middle
scale, Greg and I have talked on the in
the past on about eco villages, about
communityrun solar, about micro grids.
That's stuff you can do with a fair
amount of capital and a whole community,
but the individual scale where it's
easiest to act and and kind of most
vital in those moments of emergency. uh
there is a little bit of a lack of
information of clear climate information
and all we have is BP's individual
carbon footprint and even that is more
of a guilt ride and not really a set of
actionable principles. So really thank
you for making it focused on what I can
do for my house today.
>> You're welcome. Now Sam, another part of
the book that really hit me and actually
the part I jumped to first to see how
you would handle it is mental health and
its ramifications with climate change
because for me coming as a professional
in the climate and sustainability world,
this is something that as practitioners
we deal with uh as community members
when our friends are getting more aware
of the issues, we're constantly facing
the the the doom and the the the feeling
of helplessness that comes as a default
when people are just getting aware of
the the poly crisis. And so I really
loved that section of your book where
you just give practical advice, therapy,
meditation, breathing exercises for
helping people deal as individuals and
as communities with mental health. Uh
please uh what what was your thinking?
Why did you choose to uh make that a
part of the book? And uh why did you
choose to add cartoons of a cat in a
wizard outfit all [laughter] through the
book giving us cute little advice?
because for me that was kind of really
grounding and accessible.
>> Thank you. So two-part question. Um yeah
let's do uh the uh the wonderful world
solstalgia and solstalgia means missing
you know a world that we had. It's a
loss of a sense of place a loss of a
sense of home. And so much of our
reality was built on assumptions about a
stable climate. You know you could go
outdoors. You could go to the beach in
the summer. The winter wouldn't be that
bad. the cute picturesque river next to
your house wouldn't rise up and wash
away your home. And so when we deal with
climate anxiety, it's very very real.
People's lives have been upended and
destroyed. People's houses have been
washed away. There's a tremendous amount
of fear. But there's also a loss of the
reality that we knew. And then so
there's a sadness around that. And that
particular chapter transformed it
originally started as a kind of generic
rehearsal of all of the um pressures on
mental health today. the explosion of
addiction, suicide, depression, anxiety,
loneliness. And one of my editors
suggested, what do you do? Like, what do
I personally do for mental health to
address climate change? That really
transformed that chapter from a kind of
generic, we're in the middle of the
crisis, it's making things worse to, oh,
well, here's what I do. Here's what
helps me. And it turns out it's a whole
buffet of different things because
there's so much to be said for climate
anxiety and worry and dread and
difficulty and hopelessness that we need
as many tools as we can to address this.
So in a lot of ways it's a fundamental
aspect of health and acts the climate
impacts on health because this is
universal like everybody may have asthma
everybody may not have electrical
medical devices that are at risk if the
power goes out but the anxiety and
depression are impacting millions upon
millions of people and especially young
people if they feel they don't have a
valuable world to grow up in um that's a
tremendous amount of despair and
hopelessness that there's no future for
the world and that's a very scary very
scary thing.
I was wondering I was wondering whether
or not I I could read a couple of quotes
from your book um just along the lines
of Tai's question about the mental
health. So
>> um you write nostalgia is the
homesickness you have when you're away
from home and wish to return.
>> Solstalgia is the homesickness you have
when you are at home and your home is
leaving you. So very nicely done. I mean
that brings that home. But but also just
to the second quote and it just leads or
it just follows up with what you just
said and uh I read it and uh and I I
really liked it. So you write, "Children
lack the language to express their
grief, but they feel it. They know when
the adults are worried. Some kids act
out, some shut down, others carry it
like a quiet storm behind their ribs."
So, you know, I I enjoyed that, but
maybe you can just describe for the
listeners, you know, the types of issues
that that you're talking about in that
section then.
>> Sure. We're talking a lot about anxiety.
And I think that if we sort of look at
the book as the hero's journey, the hero
is the reader and the bad guy is both
climate change also our own feeling, our
own anxiety, our own sense of not
knowing what to do, being frozen. So
there's an internal bad guy um that we
have to fight against and the way to do
that is through action. And one of the
solutions for everybody, children
included, is that action and awareness.
I have a lot of resources for parents
about how to talk to their kids about
climate change resources, you know, age
appropriate for kids so they can learn
about it. But we have to give people
some agency. So whether it's kids or
adults, to Tai's point, we need a road
map of things to do. We need to get kids
reacquainted with the physical world and
its importance. We need to teach even
small children, you know, the importance
of masking in terms of a fire. You know,
what is evacuation? What can you pack?
What are some basic comfort items for
kids you pack if you have to evacuate?
So, we have to ask ourselves sort of a
series of questions we never had to ask
before. Um, which is how do I keep my
family safe through a whole series of
threats and emergencies. And I think
just that ability of knowing that you
have a plan can reduce a lot of the
anxiety and confusion and fear and
depression. So the the kind of
overarching goal of the book as we've
said is to give people agency and
roadmap and a guide and simple tools
that they can use as antidote to some of
the incredible depression and anxiety
that people are already feeling. I mean
we live in a remarkably depressing world
a very depressing time in the world
there's a lot happening as the book says
the crisis is here. So we have a series
of escalating crises and how do we give
people road map at least out of the um
unknowing of what to do into the knowing
of what to do.
>> Fantastic. Fantastic. Now to address my
question about climate cat.
>> Climate cat.
>> Climate cat. What a great addition.
Makes so much more human to have a cat
in a cute outfit.
>> Yes. Doing astonishing things. So those
climate cat was originally an idea for
how to communicate about climate and
originally he was sort of a jokester and
he was making fun of a lot of different
things but he evolved I think as all
great characters do or cartoons do to
have his own personality and so in some
ways he's a kind of an avatar of me but
in another way he's got his own
independent identity as a fighter for
truth and liberty. Um, and it's not
included in the book, but his enemy is
the carbon goddess, and she's this sort
of nefarious presence uh filled with
atmospheric pollution, and that's his
enemy that he's battling against.
>> So, are you doing the children's book next?
next?
>> Yes, the children's book. The children's
will be next. Uh, and ideally, the goal
is for each event, fire, flooding,
intense heat, what can kids do to prepare?
prepare?
>> So, it would be it would be kid focused,
but with very simple tools for them.
>> Can't wait for that one. So yeah, at the
end of each of these at the end of each
of these chapters in your book, you have
the cat doing something adorable, giving
cat verbally uh themed advice that
that's basically a synopsis of each
chapter. That was great.
>> One of the goals was to find a way
because fre with climate impacts and
health, it can be a litany of death or
litany of destruction or illness and
that's too much for the reader. That's
way too intense. You'd have to put the
book down. So, Climate Cat in a way
softens a lot of these messages, makes
it more accessible, makes it playful.
And in essence, we have to find ways
about climate communication. And the one
of the ones that isn't really used very
much is humor. And humor, I think, is
essential in terms of climate
communication. It's such a ponderous
topic. And we keep throwing the
multi,000page IPCC reports at people and
saying, "You need to read it all cover
to cover and the footnotes and the
footnotes." Um, and and it's
overwhelming. We tend to overwhelm
people in clover on the heads. And we
don't do that in other areas of life.
You don't do that when you, you know,
join a gym or you uh take up a new food
plan. So, we have to make it as simple
and as accessible as every other aspect.
>> That's great. So, you have this little
avatar uh to go back to the hero's
journey all the cat is the wise sage
giving advice to the adventurer. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly.
>> Love it. Love it. >> And
>> And
uh go ahead.
>> Sorry. There's one more section of the
mental health section that I just really
really loved. uh I was raised as a
Buddhist and when you mentioned the
concept of taking refuge that is to say
finding comfort guidance and support
through difficult times in this other
construct for Buddhism it's the the
teacher the teachings and the learning
community the Buddha dharma and sangha
then you say we can do that with the
climate we can learn from the earth as
the teacher from natural systems as the
teachings and from each other from the
global community of people that are
taking action as the learning community
>> yeah That's beautiful to me and I I that
that's a framework I'm going to use the
rest of my life.
>> Thank you. So a lot of the book the
original first draft was much more like
spiritual. I was talking about the
nature of consciousness and the inner
climate and as I said I had to move
outwardly but some of the poetic uh
aspects still survive because apart from
being a product manager and a corporate
guy I'm also a poet and so you have like
these poetic sections. I had to balance
that delicately to not have an overtly
poetic book which didn't make a lot of
sense to make it much more
actionoriented but while still
containing these sort of these this
softness and this kind of spiritual
awareness of what people can do. So it's
not simply pure tactical practical but
does have meditative aspects as well.
>> Much appreciated. But speaking of
practical stuff uh Greg I think you
wanted to talk about flooding.
>> Yes. However, before we leave um the the
issue about anxiety and mental health,
um Tai, I think you and I have talked
about this before like that that
conversation is not complete if if you
don't also include social media because
of its overwhelming presence.
>> So, yeah.
>> So, in terms of a social media, it's
it's um that's also something that you
address Sam. Why did you so so you know,
why did you find that important? and and
also it's nice how you approach that
issue, but but what is it that you're
trying to get across to the reader um
when it comes to specifically just
anxiety, eco anxiety, anxiety about your
local area, about the world in general
and and also the role that social media plays,
plays,
>> right? The great Canadian philosopher of
media, Marshall McLuhan, had a wonderful
quote which is all news is bad news, all
advertising is good news. So when we
look at climate news, it's almost
unequivocally bad news. It's disasters.
It's it's we're traumatizing ourselves
by looking at these images over and over
and over and over again. It's scary and
particularly for children. So, we're
we're in uh we're already in a mental
health crisis like we've been talking
about. And for kids, social media is a
huge factor in their mental health. So,
my instructions are ways to kind of
moderate your social media intake. Take
some vacations, only check a few times
during the day, do it during windows,
balance the input of negativity with the
positives. And I give some really great
climate resources including Katherine
Heiho whose work is wonderful to balance
a much more optimistic what you can do
perspective. But we're in the midst of
several interconnecting crises. One is
misinformation and disinformation
disseminated through social media. One
is learning how to manage your own
social media intake. Um but the other is
positive uses of social media to spread
positive and encouraging messages to
spread truthful information during
climate crisis. So
>> that's what we're trying to do with the
podcast. It's a it's a double-edged
sword. It can be used for tremendously
positive reasons.
>> That's great.
>> Yeah, that is. So, okay. Um, as we have
said, your book uh is comprehensive. So,
one aspect I'm sure which is top of mind
for so many people unfortunately in the
United States because there are I mean
quite a few regions that really have to
deal with this is the issue of flooding.
whether you know whether or not it's
related to hurricanes or particular
storms, whether or not it's just related
to too much rain happening in too short
a time frame. You know, we have these,
you know, horrible um [clears throat]
news stories which captivate people
because they're rescue missions that
take 48 hours, 72 hours a week and and
and all the rest. So, if you're in one
of those regions or if your region now
is at threat, I'm sure eco anxiety is
your constant companion. So what are
some of the things that people can look
for to in your book to sort of deal with
this and to prepare for it?
>> I think one of the things and another
just as there was such a surprise in
terms of what do we mean by air? What
are we actually breathing? What do we
mean by flood water? Because we tend to
think of rain or river, but we're
dealing with combined sewer overflows
and agricultural overflows and any toxic
waste dump that happens to be nearby and
the old gas station is uh gasoline has
leeched into the ground. So flooding
brings up everything. That's why it's so
phenomenally dangerous. and just heard
recently from a physician in my area
about somebody who got very very sick
trying to clean out their basement that
had been flooded and they were exposed
to, you know, all sorts of things. So
flooding is is complex because it
includes aspects of evacuation if you
must evacuate, cleaning up your house
afterwards, avoiding flood waters,
turnaround, don't drown. We had a case
in Connecticut where people actually
drowned in very rapidly moving flood
water. So it's awareness of what to do.
Don't drive through flood water.
Obviously evacuate to higher ground. And
it gets back to our discussion on how to
use your phone to set up alerts. So, you
know, beforehand, so you you're um
you're staying very much on top of it,
we had a lot of fatalities in Texas
where the alerts came too late to
actually get people to higher ground in
the past several months. So, complex
topic um but to break it down,
preparation beforehand, understanding
your flood risks where you live,
understanding uh are you flood plane,
are you in a flood zone, are you close
to the water? In my area of Connecticut,
we're on the coast, so people built
their houses on stilts six to eight feet
above the ground because we've had so
many floods in the past. Um, same with
fires. Do you know the evacuation route?
Um, do you know where you stay? Do you
know how to evacuate your pets? Do you
know where the local shelters are? Um,
do you know to not wait out into the
flood waters? So, complex issue. I think
we can maybe return to that. I may have
more to say on that topic.
>> Right. Well, and and you mentioned uh
Texas, and I think that uh nicely leads
into another major aspect which arises
when you have climate change uh weather
or or and you know, sort of these new
threats, which is just simple blackouts.
I mean, blackouts can be as benign as,
oh, it's very annoying and so I don't
have power for 6 hours or of course,
they can be extraordinarily serious. I
mean, Texas had winter storm Yuri, which
unfortunately led to deaths. uh these
are things that people do have to be
prepared about and uh what are what are
some points that um you're hoping to to
leave with the listeners?
>> We've had several week-long blackouts in
Connecticut. So, we've had personal
experience with them. There's a lot of
ancillary things that people need to be
aware of during the blackout. For
example, lots of people die from carbon
monoxide poisoning because they don't
understand if they never experienced
that before. They have a generator and
they're bringing it in indoors or
they're trying to heat their home with
their gas stove. So, really things to be
aware of. Um, so this comes back to a
kind of a home health audit that you
need to do. Do you have electrical
medical devices? If so, do you have any
kind of battery backup for them? Do you
have um any solar power or solar
batteries? Do you have lighting? Um, do
you know where you would go if there was
a long-term power outage? Do you know
where you'd go to refill your
medications? Um, if you have to
evacuate, do you have a go bag? Do you
know how to evacuate your pets? So very,
you know, uh, it's kind of a list of
things you need to do beforehand and
being prepared if you do need to
evacuate or go elsewhere that you're,
you know, fully stocked and, you know,
you're ready to go. Is your car filled
with gas? Do you have a place to stay?
Do you know where the shelters are
locally? [snorts]
>> Um, and and the vulnerabilities, sorry,
the vulnerabilities go from intense heat
and intense cold during power outages.
So if it's intense heat, do you know
where the cooling centers are nearby? If
it's intense cold, do you know where the
warming centers? Do you know where you
go to get your devices recharged? Things
I learned while writing the book is you
can go to any shelter and charge your
devices and get food. You don't
necessarily have to stay there for the
night. So, are are you aware of your own
town's preparation? Are you connect to
the town health department or the
emergency services? So, it's a way of
kind of educating yourself before the
event to know what you're going to do
during the disaster. [snorts] >> Right.
>> Right.
>> Yeah. I I I I very much enjoyed uh going
through your book. So for me at least
reading uh
your advice in going through the book,
it it really uh struck me that what
you're trying to do is you're trying to
give a sense of empowerment to the
reader. You're just trying to give them
some tools and also the encouragement
which is that yes, things are changing
and things can be quite bad, but you can
you can deal with this. You can actually
be prepared and you can also do things
to be proactive. And and part of the
proactive message that I enjoyed um in
your book was that it's not just perhaps
yourself or your immediate family. You
can reach out. You can use this as an
opportunity to get to know the community
around you. See what resources they've
set up and then perhaps with the use of
your book as the guide uh suggest sort
of further steps that the community can
take just just in case because as you've
indicated a lot of these things are just
annual reoccurring seasonal matters like
forest fires. If you are in an area with
forest fires, you are looking out for
this every single year. If you are an
area where flooding is prevalent, you
are looking out for this every single
year. This is just not something which
is once in a generation. Perhaps it used
to be. Now it is going to visit you. If
you get lucky one year, you may not be
so lucky in year two.
>> Century storms, right? The now or every
year, every year.
>> Every year, >> right?
>> right? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Go ahead.
>> The community focus really is so
important. I think my favorite meme of
all time. It says you're exhausted
because you're dealing with systemic
issues as an individual. >> Right.
>> Right.
>> Right. And and addressing when you have
a flood or a fire, that's not something
that just your household is
experiencing. That's something that all
of your neighbors are too. And it's this
this golden opportunity to to rebuild
the community that in so many other ways
we've lost as a society.
>> Exactly. And communities do come
together during disasters. I think the
method of the book is let's come
together before the disaster hits so we
can kind of do our preparation together.
>> Yeah. [snorts] >> Um
>> Um
Yeah, abs. Absolutely. Communities
really kind of the solution of the book
and it's part of the aspect of
empowerment. They're always
uh the subtext at least in this country
is systems are falling apart and so we
need something in their place um that
can support us and that's really
community and and your local city town
neighborhood to how to bring climate
like I say from the giant global level
down to the household level.
>> Right. Well, and and Sam, so cribbing on
on what you've given in the book. So, if
if it's possible to uh to boil it down
to three main takeaways, I guess um your
three takeaways as you've written is one
that climate health is personal, local,
and solvable. And number two, what I
really like as the empowerment bit,
which is number two, action is the
antidote to climate anxiety. And number
three, um, families need micro readiness
but not prepper culture. So I think
those are great takeaways, but but yeah,
maybe you could comment upon that
particularly. I like how you mentioned
that this is not prepper culture. This
is not something where, you know,
disaster is all around you. It's going
to swamp you. This is more about trying
to take charge and being prepared.
>> Yeah. I think the the prepper culture is
is um um, how do we put it? It's kind of
a facing of Armageddon. It's a
dystopian. It's assuming complete
societal collapse. And I don't think
that's really the issue. That's not
really helpful because that then is
going to paralyze people with fear and
despair. And we want to give we the
climate movement as a whole, we want to
give people hope. We don't want to be
the these uh we don't want to make
people worse than they already feel. We
want to give them tools which can help
them get out of their despair. And so
one of those tools is looking at climate
health actually not in terms of just
gigantic earth systems but in terms of
wellness. So if we approached it as
people are very interested in their
diet, they want to get more protein,
they want to exercise, they want to
hydrate. How can we make this part of
people's health regimen? How can we
bring that into the home and the way
that people plan for their family
vacations or plan to insulate their
house or plan on a new air conditioning
system? How can we make this a part of
their daily lives and daily planning so
that we can protect them and they can be
safe? Because the if we get back to the
litany of death and destruction, that's
a very big list. The number of potential
people who could die from intense heat
for example or any new infectious
disease spread by insects. So how can we
create a culture of like you say micro
readiness, micro preparedness so we can
look at the climate health threats that
people face and give them confidence
that they can be they can face it. that
can be the heroes of that story.
>> That's great. So, here we have for the
emergencies what you have to have
prepared ahead of time and it fits in
with a larger cultural shift that we
have to undergo where we're thinking
about our health as individuals, as
communities and as an as a global
ecosystem, as a biosphere. Now, that
that's great.
>> Yeah. I think one of the metaphors that
help me in writing the book is we look
at the earth as a body. It's struggling
in its thermmorreulation. It's
struggling to adjust its own systems.
And that's what's happening our physical
bodies as well. We have to really
struggle to adapt to particulate matter
in the air to pollen to heat to cold and
we're struggling too and human body
systems are going to fail because of
that. So it's helpful to look at the
macro giant level and the micro level
well and the earth you know this is our
home apart from everything else and as
the home gets injured we get injured.
>> That's great and it's actually an
allegory I've used many times in my own
work. the earth as a body. Sure, it
sounds benign. One degree, 1.5 degrees
Celsius. What does that matter? Well,
okay, if you're home with a flu and I
take your temperature and you're two
degrees above normal Celsius, yeah,
you're feeling it.
>> And so, so does the Earth.
>> Yeah. And the fact that temperature
alone, we can't use that as our sole
measure. It's ocean acidification. It's the
the
>> university loss. Yeah.
>> Huge. There's so many other markers that
are happening. So it's a climate change
is really a kind of a climate collapse
and an illness of the earth looked at in
one way and and that has tremendously
cascading impacts to us. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Well,
>> Well,
>> and just like with the body, you don't
just have a fever, you have an infection.
infection. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So Sam, um if it's okay, I I have a
question that I just been I've been
dying to ask.
>> Sure. So you actually went beyond you
went beyond I mean everybody Tai me
everybody has thought about writing you
know we all have these substacks or
mediums or what have you and I
personally get into about maybe 150 175
words and then I just throw it away
because it's just nonsense. So you went
beyond like just just tell us like what
what has the process been like writing a
book getting past page 10 getting past
page 50 you know actually putting it
together. Well, one of the impetuses for
writing this book was a book called
Publish Your Purpose. Um, it was written
by the owner of the publishing house
that I'm working with. And I saw the
book and I like, "Wow, what a great
title. I wonder if I have a purpose. I
wonder if so, I bought the book, began
to think about it, and she actually had
a six-month writing program where I got
to work with her and answer a lot of
these questions." And coming from a
corporate background and knowing how to
do corporate communications or being a
poet really doesn't prepare you for
writing pro, completely different
animal. So there's a software called
Scrivener which is very very helpful
because you can organize different
chapters, move them around. Super
helpful software. So that would be
recommendation number one.
Recommendation number two is people set
themselves out a certain amount to write
per day. 250 words, 500 words, 1,000
words. Just begin writing. That's super
super helpful. It doesn't necessarily
have to cohhere or have a chapter
structure. But if I hadn't gone through
that exercise and talked about
geoengineering and the philosophy of
climate change like Tai was saying, you
know, my spiritual background, I
wouldn't have landed on this. And so,
uh, it has been said and it's true, we
work out a lot of the problems with
writing by writing. So, by writing more
and finding my own voice in my own file
and publishing, I I'd actually published
some articles on LinkedIn to kind of
experiment. What's my voice? What do I
have to say? And then to solve things.
So we it's I think important to go into
writing with a question. And so my
question ultimately was how do I what's
the structure that's going to
communicate the best and here's book
called how to be a conscious eater by
Sophie Egan which was small modular all
about food but each chapter was
self-contained she had a lot of graphs
and I was like okay numbered lists
checklists which I love this is a
solution that I can use and then working
with my editor what's what's it going to
include how do we approach this because
it's such a vast topic and there's so
much like we were saying misinformation
social media use how to talk to doctor,
the emergencies themselves,
um how to create neighborhood
preparedness plans. So, how do I make it
in such a way that it's linear, that it
makes sense, and that it's telling a
story? So, that that's a part that
really requires editors and feedback and
people reading your writing and maybe
you should move this here, maybe you
should take this out, this doesn't make
sense. Can you explain this? So, it
becomes it what goes from um kind of a
like being a poet. you just sort of do
it on your own looking out the window
beful now becomes this very
collaborative affair where you're
getting feedback on your work and having
to swallow some hard truths and
incorporate it and so uh in terms of
writing a book like this there's around
what's called developmental editing
where they're kind of looking at the big
chunks and the arrangements and
clarification but then there's copy
editing which is like line by line word
by word grammar um and I've got some
particular I maintain almost like a
poetic line like the single free
floating line that's separate from
everything else because it breaks up the
page. So I was interested in how do I
communicate almost like a poet would
almost like the uh paragraphs are stanzas.
stanzas.
>> And so that was part of my
communication. That's a bit of a poetic
background which is like I don't really
want dense text because poem my poems
don't work like that. They're minimal
and you've got hanging single lines. So
there's a lot of those hanging single
lines when I have to say something that
I want to stand out. So I'm bringing um
you you have to bring yourself into your
writing at the same time you're
[clears throat] getting feedback from
others and who are telling you the truth
whether you want to hear it or not and
how to adapt your writing that to make
it really understandable and clear and
the fact that the writing kind of sings
to you like a poem would for both of you
is very gratifying to me because that
means as an author it's succeeding um
because that was the intention to make
it engaging while not being
overwhelming, informative while Oh, it's
like I can't make 500 changes. I can't
do it and put the book down to make it
bite-sized, actionable, doable, um to
give people confidence. That was really
the goal.
>> I I think you've achieved it. And it
sounds like your last silent suggestion
for writing is having an editor you like
working with.
>> Yes. Writing with editors, being open to
feedback. Um
>> yeah, Go ahead.
>> Were Were there any um were there any
surprises through this entire process?
whether good surprises or maybe not so
good surprises like just unexpected
because it's not just the writing and
the editing although that is the line
share but you're also moving it towards
publishing you're also dealing with you
know marketing there are very concrete
steps that you're dealing with but of
course when you're at the substack or
medium blogging phase right you it's
it's tough to put those pieces together
did did anything sort of now looking
back on it did anything surprise you
>> yeah I think how hard it was uh because
I'm sort of naive as a poet that I
always wanted to I'm writing a poem.
Like how hard can it possibly be?
>> Um the minutia of doing, you know,
graphic design types of bullet points,
you know, we've got traditional bullets
and we've got lightning bolts and we've
got check marks. One of my goals because
I have a having worked with UX designers
for so long, an eye for design and
making the design a real part of that
book, um and to avoid it just being a
series of check marks, just being a
series of bullets. So how to approach
design holistically like it makes sense
just everything being you know
participating in the cover design um the
graphics in the interior what graphic
should I choose like Tai had pointed out
earlier there's a graphic that he had
used um in his public health work so
what do I choose how do I make this
simple and and not overwhelming um so
just I would say thousands of decisions
they say enlightenment is a thousand
right decisions so publishing a book is
a thousand decisions you have to from
everything from, you know, what kind of
bullet points to, you know, what should
be omitted from the book to what graph
should I use?
>> One very banal by comparison question
about design. Uh, the cat has a very
specific feel. Are you the the visual
creator of Climate Cat or are you
working with an artist?
>> No, the artist, his name is Dan Dundan,
and he's a Connecticut artist.
Originally, they were a all AI. Um, and
so they were wildly kind of different in
form and I work with this designer and
we did a lot of iteration and it it's
he's got to be friendly without being cartoony
cartoony
and he's somewhat humanoid but sometimes
he's a pure cat. So it's a little bit
like a balance between the two.
>> You hit it because on some of them I I I
showed one to my wife. She said he looks
kind of worried but also kind of puzzled
and it was perfect for the context. Great
Great
>> and also exactly like a cat. So yes,
that was the goal and and I, you know,
look forward to a lot more Climate Cat
in those children's books. And
>> I'm looking forward to that.
>> A second book which I think might want
to I haven't written it yet, which would
be Climate Cat's Guide to Geoengineering
because that's really in the news and is
going to be sold to us as the only
solution for climate change. So Climate
Cat's got a lot to say about that.
>> So do I, but we do not have time
[clears throat] for that.
>> No, we don't have time for that. So yes,
we'll return to that in podcast number two.
two.
>> Okay. Yeah.
>> Excellent. We'll do. Okay, Sam. So the
publishing date is here finally January
2026. Your creation is now birthed.
After going through this, you know,
difficult process, more difficult than
you thought it would be, longer, more
work than you thought it would be. So,
so just for the listeners, maybe you can
let us know like after going through
this and thinking deeply about the
topic, are you are you more optimistic
about climate change and our ability to
overcome? Are you perhaps a little bit
more pessimistic? Like where do you
stand? So I'm optimistic about people's
readiness to receive the message. I'm
very optimistic that it's it's a public
topic and particularly climate change
impacts on health. This is being
discussed in a way that wasn't before.
This would been kind of a rarified
subject a few years ago and it would be
a couple of doctors and nurses on the
call with a couple of doctors and nurses
listening and that would be it. So the
fact that it's really in wide discourse
now that at least the physicians of
America are very very aware of that
we're seeing climate impacts on health
in the emergency room in terms of
chronic conditions. It's it's definitely
there. So, I'm optimistic in that the
uptake in the in just the general
audience is is it's happening. It hadn't
really happened before, but due to a lot
of the recent policy changes, very much
a part of public discourse. So, I'm
really really gratified about that.
Um, you know, I think in this discourse,
like we mentioned before, we there's so
many aspects when we talk about climate,
we have the earth systems themselves, we
have climate solutions, we have the
grid, we have the things that you've
discussed on your podcast. This is a the
tiny little subset of that that impacts
people where they can do something about
it. So, I personally can't stop the
geopolitics of the prostates globally. I
can do something about my family
preparedness. So, we're taking a lot of
things that people may feel helpless
about and giving them a road map for the
things that they can do now. So, I'm
very optimistic even in terms of climate
messaging that there's a there's an
engaged audience who's ready for this in
a way that they probably weren't even a
couple of years ago. There were other
things that were much more pressing in
terms of the the globe's ability to deal
with climate change. I'm not sure that
any of us are optimistic about that. I
think there's some, you know, immense
hurdles that we need to overcome. But in
terms of people's ability to solve this
for their lives, I'm very confident that
I can help them and that they're they'd
be receptive to hear the lessons of the book.
book.
>> Well, that's great. I that's very
thoughtful. I'm going to take that as a
win for optimism.
>> Yes. [laughter]
>> And so, okay, so we've got a a couple
more wrap-up questions. Um, looking uh
ahead 2050, now that you've had this
opportunity to think so deeply about
this, are there any things that you see
that um that that people, you know,
might be want might want to be aware of
or think about in terms of long term
that uh that maybe they're not uh sort
of focusing in on at this point? Yeah, I
think climate migration is going to be
immense and I think that the moving of
coastal cities inland is going to be
immense and coastal city resilience
whether through seaw wall whether
through moving to a higher elevation you
know we're going to be seeing a lot of
discourse around that anything from you
know New York to Miami we have to solve
for this but for for number one I think
Canada is about to become a lot more
populous I think that there's going to
be an enormous move to the north and
just as you had Canadians moving to
Florida over the winter to chase the
heat now people are going to chase cool
weather or temperate weather. And a lot
of the United States is going to be
largely uninhabitable due to heat. The
heat's going to be so intense that it's
going to make functioning extremely
difficult. So we see just a movement
north, the north in this country, the
US, but also north into Canada as we
find attractive places to live that are,
you know, near fresh water. So we're
going to be seeing, you know, radical
migration of a level that we really
haven't seen before. And that also means
we need fast modular housing that we can
put up for people that we can't just
say, "Let me build you a $500,000 condo.
Let me build something that's going to
be accessible that you can actually move
into because when we're talking
migration, there's millions and millions
and millions of people."
>> Um, so
>> so an episode on judic housing then and
another episode on the retreating
patterns of crops across the the
tempered zones.
>> Yeah. So there's a lot to unpack here.
you know, how do you feed a country in
the midst of climate change? You know,
when you've got alternating floods and
drought and destruction and so these are
things that we haven't really thought
about and and like all crisis, only
going to address it when the crisis is
upon us. We're not actually going to be
proactive and prepare. We'll wait till
disaster hits and then we'll respond to
it. [laughter] >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Less optimistic there, but
>> less optimistic there, right? Although,
yeah, if you want to move to Canada,
please do. We welcome you. The only
thing is is that you do have to sign up
for the hockey channel and you do have
to talk about hockey uh three or four
times a day. Yeah. As long as you have
to eat. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And you have to eat poutine which is
fine by me.
>> That's right.
>> On fries. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Exactly. Um Okay. And so Sam, do
you have any uh do you have a book or an
article that you've read lately that uh
that you like that you'd like to pass on
to the listeners?
>> Yeah, there's a couple of podcasts. One
is outrage outrage and optimism by a
woman named Cristiana Fuggeras who I
quote in the book who wrote the future
we choose which is surviving the climate
crisis which I quote pretty heavily
>> in terms of fossil fuel all the drilled
podcast um very very important um and
also I there's a group called my climate
journey and they have a podcast and they
have a membership community that's
really about because I'm also very
interested in this topic founders of of
uh climate solutions companies so
there's a lot of that and they have a
pretty extensive library of interviews
that they've done with people. So I'm
very interested in climate solutions
across the board. And
>> so so you're going to mention us next
time. Someone asked
>> your podcast. And so to you know to your
point if and do mention this in the book
the other if I wasn't involved in
climate and health it would probably be
forestation projects that I involved
with because that's a great love of mine
and that's a whole other topic that I
would love to get more involved in but
it's a little hard to do everything all
at once in terms of climate. So maybe
part two.
>> Right. Well it it's great that you
mentioned uh MCJ my climate journey.
They are a very good organization and
they're they're actually a very useful
resource for um being a community a
closed community of people in the
industry and so they also produce a lot
of great content. But if we're going to
plug MCJ, we should also be plugging
Climate Base.
>> Climate Base where we all met.
>> That's right. Shout out to Evan, the
founder and his wonderful crew. The
three of us are Climate Base alumni and
that's exactly how we met. Ty and I met
and then Sam, [snorts] we met you as
well. And as a result of this, you know,
it's been a lovely journey for us
because we got to read an excellently
prepared book and we got to meet you and
talk about this because it is this
climate based organization I think is
just doing great things. I think they
are actually the founder of the climate
weeks that are really taking over by
storm. city after city after city is now
uh creating a climate week which is just
bringing down to you know grounds uh
boots on the ground sort of level
allowing the message to percolate
through but yeah it's a it's a great
organization I think uh you know I very
much enjoyed going through the process
the speakers were wonderful the
materials were excellent and the the
lecturers the the teachers were also
excellent I thought
>> the most important sorry the most
important part was the community of
fellow learners I think with the close
of cohort 8 now there's about 4,000
thousand of us alumni. >> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> And everyone I've talked to has been a
wealth of knowledge on their fields
including you.
>> Yeah. So for for the listeners, climate
base it's it's an educational community.
It's a way to meet founders or
co-founders if you want to create a
startup. It's a way for people to get
jobs in climate. Uh it's a way for just
networking and to meet people like we've
done. So wonderful organization.
>> Yeah. Excellent. Okay. Couple more
questions. Sam, you've been so generous
with your time. Um, but we've talked
quite a bit and your book deals with the
issue of eco anxiety. So, so on the
other end, you've made it through the
book, writing it and getting it
published and all the rest of it. Do you
have any sort of uh final words to to
help people who are dealing with climate
anxiety that that you've sort of gleaned
through this process?
>> Yeah, I think it's find your love, find
the part of the climate community that
really you're passionate about or that
you can plunge into. You know, for me it
was definitely climate and health. But
as I said, the fast follow-up would have
been reformation.
So I I think if you if I looked at it
personally, it's it's climate
communication is very very important to
me. And how do we get this message to
people, but find the thing that you
love? Find the thing that if you plunge
into it, you'll never get tired of and
build your connections through that. And
so either climate based, LinkedIn,
surprisingly enough, thousands of
climate folks and climate people can be
very generous with their time. Nobody's
ever turned me down for a discussion.
So, I think it's a way of reaching out
and networking to people regardless of
what your goal is. If it's to work in
climate, if it's to get more informed,
if it's to build a startup, um if it's
just to electrify your home or your
vehicles, if it's to protect your
health, find the thing that you're
really excited about that you can bounce
out of bed doing and never get tired of
and and make that your own. Uh, that's
why I like Project Draw Down because of
all of the solutions, there's got to be
something there that people are going to
like or get involved with. It's it's
finding the thing that kind of sings to
your soul. Finding the things that that
you could do for a career for a lifetime.
lifetime.
>> You're a guy.
>> Yeah, absolutely. Find your purpose. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Well said. So, um, Sam, plug your book.
Tell people how do they get a copy of
your your book, but also if any
listeners want to reach out to you and
touch base with you, how how should they
do so? So the book is going to be
available on um across all platforms,
Amazon, Barnes & Noble, uh uh Google,
Apple Books, and by the time this uh
podcast is released. So hopefully by the
19th of this month, uh people the book
will be available in both paperback,
hard coverver, and um Kindle versions or
ebook versions if you if you're not a
Kindle user. Um you can reach me at samsamcher.com.
samsamcher.com.
Um I've got a website with a contact
form that could use. I'm super active on
LinkedIn and on Blue Sky, so I'm easily
accessible. If people have questions or
they want to talk about the book, that
would be phenomenal.
>> His website has a bunch more resources
and cute little bits more about the
climate cat.
>> Climate cat and we'll bring in more and
we'll bring in more climate cat and soon
there will be climate cat animations and
so we're going to see
>> and everybody will want to talk to
climate cat rather than Sam Cheraban. So
I'll be a victim of my own creation.
>> Right. Well, we will put that
information as well in the show notes
for anybody who wants to follow up. So
thank you very much. Thank you to
everyone who's listening and thank you
very much to you Sam. This has been our
absolute pleasure to speak with Sam
Sherin, the author of a fantastic book,
The Crisis is Here: Protecting Your
Health in a Changing World. It's
available on all the platforms, Amazon
and all the others. So, please go get
yourself a copy. And Sam is, as you can
see, just incredibly approachable. So,
if you have any questions, yeah, follow
up with him directly. But thank you very
much, Sam. We do need to then reserve
our spot with you as a guest speaker for
us when you publish your next book. So
whether or not that's the children's
edition or Canada or Mexico, what have you,
you,
>> or geoengineering,
>> geoengineering, we're going to put you
on the spot and we're going to ask you
to to to confirm with us that you're
going to return in order to
>> Absolutely. Absolutely. Be my pleasure.
It was a wonderful experience.
>> Okay. Thanks so much.
>> Thank you.
>> Thank you for listening to this episode
of the Climate Basics podcast. Please
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