you're Native American, representative of immigrants.
of immigrants. Sorry, you've been voted out. Please
Sorry, you've been voted out. Please return to your seat.
return to your seat. Thank you, man. Nice to meet you.
How's it going? Hey, how's it going?
Hey, how's it going? Actually a fan. I see you a lot on
Actually a fan. I see you a lot on Pierce Morgan.
Pierce Morgan. Okay. Thank you for watching.
Okay. Thank you for watching. Yeah. So, um my argument so is that uh
Yeah. So, um my argument so is that uh Americans are what like what is a
Americans are what like what is a nation? A nation is a geographical
nation? A nation is a geographical location full of people who have some
location full of people who have some things in common. So, I think some of
things in common. So, I think some of the things typically in history are
the things typically in history are going to be like race, religion,
going to be like race, religion, ethnicity, um language. These are some
ethnicity, um language. These are some of the things that we have to have um in
of the things that we have to have um in common in order to actually have a
common in order to actually have a functioning civilization, especially in
functioning civilization, especially in self-government. I'm not necessarily a
self-government. I'm not necessarily a giant fan of self-government. I'm a
giant fan of self-government. I'm a Catholic nationalist. I'm not a fascist.
Catholic nationalist. I'm not a fascist. You have to have at least some things in
You have to have at least some things in common in order to actually have a
common in order to actually have a civilization. And the immigrants,
civilization. And the immigrants, especially illegal immigrants that come
especially illegal immigrants that come into this country now, uh, disrespect
into this country now, uh, disrespect us. They hate everything that we
us. They hate everything that we believe. They don't even speak our
believe. They don't even speak our language. I watched, after Trump got
language. I watched, after Trump got elected, I watched an interview of an
elected, I watched an interview of an illegal alien woman crying and about
illegal alien woman crying and about getting deported. And the entire
getting deported. And the entire interview was in Spanish. That is a spit
interview was in Spanish. That is a spit in the face. It's disrespect. They don't
in the face. It's disrespect. They don't care about us. They abuse our system.
care about us. They abuse our system. And teological argument into just a
And teological argument into just a bunch of series of wild unsubstantiated
bunch of series of wild unsubstantiated claims asking you what is
claims asking you what is I don't accept any of those claims that
I don't accept any of those claims that they hate everything we stand for and I
they hate everything we stand for and I don't accept well I'm not going to deal
don't accept well I'm not going to deal with your tell I'm going to deal with
with your tell I'm going to deal with the false claims that you made there's
the false claims that you made there's no b what's your basis for saying that
no b what's your basis for saying that all immigrants or all undocumented
all immigrants or all undocumented immigrants hate everything we stand for
immigrants hate everything we stand for it's funny that you said you're a
it's funny that you said you're a Catholic national how did most Catholics
Catholic national how did most Catholics get to America Irish Catholics Italian
get to America Irish Catholics Italian Catholics immigration much of the people
Catholics immigration much of the people coming across the southern border are
coming across the southern border are Catholics are Catholics so it's really
Catholics are Catholics so it's really funny that you say you're a Catholic
funny that you say you're a Catholic But Catholics came to America via
But Catholics came to America via immigration.
immigration. Yeah. So,
Yeah. So, so immigration is good for America. You
so immigration is good for America. You and I can agree. Otherwise, people of
and I can agree. Otherwise, people of your faith wouldn't be here.
your faith wouldn't be here. No. Well, we we were here on this side
No. Well, we we were here on this side of the on this side of the world in this
of the on this side of the world in this continent from conquest. We came over
continent from conquest. We came over here and
here and but the big surges of numbers as you
but the big surges of numbers as you well know cuz you're a smart guy.
well know cuz you're a smart guy. Italian Irish immigration waves,
Italian Irish immigration waves, Catholic immigration waves.
Catholic immigration waves. Okay. Yeah. And I'm not even against
Okay. Yeah. And I'm not even against those. I'm not even Were you against
those. I'm not even Were you against those if you were alive?
those if you were alive? I'm not even claiming that a lot of
I'm not even claiming that a lot of people were against those.
people were against those. I'm not claiming immigration is bad in
I'm not claiming immigration is bad in all cases at all times. What is your
all cases at all times. What is your claim?
claim? My claim is that immigration especially
My claim is that immigration especially now and especially for foreign people
now and especially for foreign people that have nothing in common with us.
that have nothing in common with us. It's funny you say it's especially now
It's funny you say it's especially now I've forgotten your name. My apologies.
I've forgotten your name. My apologies. Brian in every in every era there has
Brian in every in every era there has been a Brian who says I'm not against
been a Brian who says I'm not against immigration. Now this is what people
immigration. Now this is what people said about Italians. This is what people
said about Italians. This is what people said about Irish folks said about
said about Irish folks said about Russians Poles and now we're saying
Russians Poles and now we're saying about people coming across the southern
about people coming across the southern border because you're not being uh
border because you're not being uh you're being a little disingenuous
you're being a little disingenuous saying I'm only against immigrants. Now,
saying I'm only against immigrants. Now, this is a trope disingenuous because
this is a trope disingenuous because it's a trope that's been used by nivists
it's a trope that's been used by nivists throughout American history. And every
throughout American history. And every wave of immigrants has come in and faced
wave of immigrants has come in and faced the same hate and animus and bigotry and
the same hate and animus and bigotry and lazy tro. And every wave of immigration
lazy tro. And every wave of immigration is ultimately assimilated, integrated,
is ultimately assimilated, integrated, benefited the country. In fact,
benefited the country. In fact, assimilation right now, according to
assimilation right now, according to Jacob Victor from the University of
Jacob Victor from the University of Washington, assimilation rates based on
Washington, assimilation rates based on language and citizenship and
language and citizenship and naturalization are higher now than 100
naturalization are higher now than 100 years ago.
years ago. Okay, let me make a statement first. I
Okay, let me make a statement first. I think that you and your own ignored my
think that you and your own ignored my statement you and your you and your own
statement you and your you and your own person are a complete perfect example of
person are a complete perfect example of why immigration is negative and why we
why immigration is negative and why we shouldn't allow people who don't have
shouldn't allow people who don't have anything in common with us. You're pro
anything in common with us. You're pro abortion. You're pro you euthanasia.
abortion. You're pro you euthanasia. You're pro
You're pro I'm pro euthania.
I'm pro euthania. Yeah. You went I've I've seen your
Yeah. You went I've I've seen your stuff. You you you've defended euthania.
stuff. You you you've defended euthania. Pro euthanasia.
Pro euthanasia. Yeah. On Pierce Morgan.
Yeah. On Pierce Morgan. No, I've never discussed euthanasia with
No, I've never discussed euthanasia with Pierce.
Pierce. Okay. So my point is that you don't
Okay. So my point is that you don't agree with the guy in this country. If
agree with the guy in this country. If anyone watching at home, I'm the only
anyone watching at home, I'm the only guy here who actually supports American
guy here who actually supports American values, democracy, free speech, the
values, democracy, free speech, the Constitution. I've got folks here
Constitution. I've got folks here telling me they don't believe in
telling me they don't believe in democracy, but they're nationalist.
democracy, but they're nationalist. Wait, why should we why should we care
Wait, why should we why should we care about that, by the way?
about that, by the way? Isn't that what America stands for? What
Isn't that what America stands for? What does America stand for? So, you hate
does America stand for? So, you hate what America stands for? Not me. And in
what America stands for? Not me. And in fact, all the studies show that im
fact, all the studies show that im immigrants actually are more patriotic.
immigrants actually are more patriotic. The only reason Americans the only
The only reason Americans the only reason the only reason why Yeah, that's
reason the only reason why Yeah, that's the the Mexicans in LA right now burning
the the Mexicans in LA right now burning it down. Waving Mexican flags being
it down. Waving Mexican flags being burned down. Please don't send us back
burned down. Please don't send us back to the country that we're waving flag.
to the country that we're waving flag. I've been in LA for a few days. I didn't
I've been in LA for a few days. I didn't see anything burned down.
see anything burned down. Yeah, I know. The the riots have ended.
Yeah, I know. The the riots have ended. That's cuz Trump sent
That's cuz Trump sent But if it's burned down, where's it all
But if it's burned down, where's it all burned down? I haven't seen it. I've
burned down? I haven't seen it. I've traveled around all of LA. You said LA
traveled around all of LA. You said LA was burned down. LA is 500 square miles.
was burned down. LA is 500 square miles. It's not a fre. It's another false
It's not a fre. It's another false burning. No, no, they're burn.
burning. No, no, they're burn. I support youth in Asia. LA's burned to
I support youth in Asia. LA's burned to the ground. Immigrants hate what we
the ground. Immigrants hate what we stand for. Okay. So, I'm super prot.
stand for. Okay. So, I'm super prot. So, you're pro you're probing my
So, you're pro you're probing my position. Immigrants are good for you.
position. Immigrants are good for you. You're pro abortion. You're an
You're pro abortion. You're an immigrant.
immigrant. I'm pro Roie Wade. Personally, I'm not
I'm pro Roie Wade. Personally, I'm not pro abortion if you knew anything about
pro abortion if you knew anything about me.
me. Uh Roie Wade is
Uh Roie Wade is all right. Pause. You've been voted out.
all right. Pause. You've been voted out. I was going to say nice to meet you,
I was going to say nice to meet you, Brian, but I guess not.
You made it. Great to see you. My name is Cyrus.
Great to see you. My name is Cyrus. Nice to meet you, Cy.
Nice to meet you, Cy. I am also son of two immigrants. Came in
I am also son of two immigrants. Came in legally. I'm also Persian descent.
legally. I'm also Persian descent. Fantastic.
Fantastic. Born in LA.
Born in LA. Fantastic. Teranelis.
Fantastic. Teranelis. Yes. Yes. Well, I am mainly upset not at
Yes. Yes. Well, I am mainly upset not at the immigrants, legal or not. I'm mainly
the immigrants, legal or not. I'm mainly upset at Wall Street. I'm mainly upset
upset at Wall Street. I'm mainly upset at the elites, the special interests.
at the elites, the special interests. They are the main reason why we've been
They are the main reason why we've been having this issue since 1965.
having this issue since 1965. And I most want to do well. There are a
And I most want to do well. There are a few bad apples. We can agree, but we
few bad apples. We can agree, but we want to go after the elites. They are
want to go after the elites. They are the main cause of the problem. And just
the main cause of the problem. And just like healthcare, trade, everything.
like healthcare, trade, everything. Did you know, Cyrus, that the top 1% pay
Did you know, Cyrus, that the top 1% pay dodge $163 billion in taxes every year,
dodge $163 billion in taxes every year, while undocumented people pay hundred
while undocumented people pay hundred billion in tax? So, I know where my
billion in tax? So, I know where my anger is against.
anger is against. There there are issues with our tax
There there are issues with our tax system on the rich. But in a state like
system on the rich. But in a state like California, some taxes are too high. I
California, some taxes are too high. I used to live here now in Las Vegas.
used to live here now in Las Vegas. Different debate. I'm saying immigration
Different debate. I'm saying immigration is good for America. People like you and
is good for America. People like you and me overall are good for America is what
me overall are good for America is what I'm saying.
I'm saying. Okay. But it depends on how it's done.
Okay. But it depends on how it's done. Yes.
Yes. It depends on how it's done. how it's
It depends on how it's done. how it's being done to the US.
being done to the US. I'm not blaming the housing crisis on
I'm not blaming the housing crisis on immigrants, not on wages. But in a state
immigrants, not on wages. But in a state like California that doesn't build
like California that doesn't build enough homes and they're bringing
enough homes and they're bringing immigrants in, you have to increase
immigrants in, you have to increase supply of housing. Okay? But this is
supply of housing. Okay? But this is where our anger is at is at the
where our anger is at is at the political class. The Democrat party used
political class. The Democrat party used to have a different stance on
to have a different stance on immigration 15 years ago. Bernie
immigration 15 years ago. Bernie Sanders, Hillary Clinton.
Sanders, Hillary Clinton. I'm not a fan of I'm not here to defend
I'm not a fan of I'm not here to defend different Democrats. What I will say is
different Democrats. What I will say is our angle.
our angle. What I will say is that everyone here
What I will say is that everyone here actually does think immigration is good
actually does think immigration is good for America. Everyone here uses an
for America. Everyone here uses an iPhone designed by an immigrant is on
iPhone designed by an immigrant is on Gmail designed by an immigrant is uh
Gmail designed by an immigrant is uh watch is on a YouTube show. We all came
watch is on a YouTube show. We all came to a YouTube show founded by an
to a YouTube show founded by an immigrant. You wouldn't but that's a
immigrant. You wouldn't but that's a tiny minority.
tiny minority. So you all love immigrants whether you
So you all love immigrants whether you like it or not.
like it or not. Okay. But it's a taboo subject. Should
Okay. But it's a taboo subject. Should we be concerned about the demographic?
we be concerned about the demographic? So no
So no Anglo-Saxon European-American 0% of
Anglo-Saxon European-American 0% of America. It doesn't matter. Are they 0%
America. It doesn't matter. Are they 0% of America?
of America? Well, let's say if it becomes 0%. It
Well, let's say if it becomes 0%. It should not work.
should not work. They're not going. Why are you bringing
They're not going. Why are you bringing weird hypotheticals?
weird hypotheticals? Well, but there has But I mean, they're
Well, but there has But I mean, they're still part of our country. There's
still part of our country. There's culture. There's I mean, even Britain
culture. There's I mean, even Britain like concerns, but it concerns me when
like concerns, but it concerns me when Britain is changing and it's, you know,
Britain is changing and it's, you know, it's like they're losing their culture,
it's like they're losing their culture, but it's losing their culture. Are they?
but it's losing their culture. Are they? Are they going to try to
Are they going to try to UK? I'm telling you, no one's losing
UK? I'm telling you, no one's losing their culture.
their culture. London is going to be very little
London is going to be very little British in one day.
British in one day. What's the plan? That's what we want to
What's the plan? That's what we want to know. What's the plan?
know. What's the plan? You just made that up. Have you been to
You just made that up. Have you been to London? How do we know?
London? How do we know? Cyrus, have you been to London?
Cyrus, have you been to London? So then maybe you shouldn't come on
So then maybe you shouldn't come on places you don't know anything about.
places you don't know anything about. But what's the plan?
But what's the plan? I grew up in London. London is a very
I grew up in London. London is a very British city. I was in London a few
British city. I was in London a few weeks ago. It's a very British city.
weeks ago. It's a very British city. I hope not. I understand that there are
I hope not. I understand that there are people in this audience that don't like
people in this audience that don't like me or you in this country and I respect
me or you in this country and I respect that. There's some that don't even want
that. There's some that don't even want me to date a blonde woman. They want to
me to date a blonde woman. They want to keep to their own or ginger or whatever.
keep to their own or ginger or whatever. I respect that. But there has to be a
I respect that. But there has to be a deal made. There's Idaho. There's
deal made. There's Idaho. There's Montana. they can go live in a
Montana. they can go live in a homogeneous society. I don't believe in
homogeneous society. I don't believe in force. Okay? And I believe that there
force. Okay? And I believe that there has to be a deal made and I think
has to be a deal made and I think there's upsides and downsides to
there's upsides and downsides to diversity.
diversity. There's a deal made. People have
There's a deal made. People have elections. They vote for elections. And
elections. They vote for elections. And right now there's Donald Trump in the
right now there's Donald Trump in the White House. Not someone I support, but
White House. Not someone I support, but people voted for him.
people voted for him. Well, why did he get in? Mainly because
Well, why did he get in? Mainly because I'm not sure we have time. 2016.
I'm not sure we have time. 2016. Okay.
Okay. Part of the reason he got in is that
Part of the reason he got in is that people in this room want people like me
people in this room want people like me and you to leave and they voted for him
and you to leave and they voted for him to try and make that happen.
to try and make that happen. I'm not surprised. One of the
I'm not surprised. One of the Charlottesville marchers doesn't like me
Charlottesville marchers doesn't like me and I've met those people and I respect
and I've met those people and I respect their views.
their views. You really shouldn't.
You really shouldn't. Well, their wants.
Well, their wants. Don't respect racists and fascists is my
Don't respect racists and fascists is my advice to you.
advice to you. Well, they have their preferences. You
Well, they have their preferences. You know, that's just we can't change that.
know, that's just we can't change that. Actually, we can. Why I tried to come in
Actually, we can. Why I tried to come in today, but anyways.
today, but anyways. All right, that's time. Please return to
All right, that's time. Please return to your seat.
your seat. Thank you. Nice to meet you.
Thank you. Nice to meet you. Pleasure. Good.
Pleasure. Good. My final claim is that Donald Trump's
My final claim is that Donald Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing.
Hey Sarah, nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. You too. So why why do you say this is
You too. So why why do you say this is Donald Trump's plan? Why do you think
Donald Trump's plan? Why do you think that?
that? I mean, he says it's his plan.
I mean, he says it's his plan. Have you seen his plan?
Have you seen his plan? When did he say it?
When did he say it? He said it standing next to Benjamin
He said it standing next to Benjamin Netanyahu in January, February. He said
Netanyahu in January, February. He said it on Fox News in an interview uh on
it on Fox News in an interview uh on Fox. He said it on Air Force One when he
Fox. He said it on Air Force One when he was chatting to reporters.
was chatting to reporters. Word like word for word. What's an
Word like word for word. What's an example of what he said?
example of what he said? Uh word for word, he said, for example,
Uh word for word, he said, for example, we're going to clean out the Gaza Strip.
we're going to clean out the Gaza Strip. He said they're going to leave. We're
He said they're going to leave. We're going to take control of it. He says,
going to take control of it. He says, uh, we'll own it. I would own it. He
uh, we'll own it. I would own it. He says, I'm not sure under international
says, I'm not sure under international law how he can own a foreign piece of
law how he can own a foreign piece of land. And when he was asked on Fox News,
land. And when he was asked on Fox News, uh, the people, the Palestinians who are
uh, the people, the Palestinians who are being forced to leave, would they be
being forced to leave, would they be able to come back? He said, no, they
able to come back? He said, no, they wouldn't. That is the literal definition
wouldn't. That is the literal definition of ethnic cleansing according to a UN
of ethnic cleansing according to a UN definition.
definition. Do you think that Trump is saying this?
Do you think that Trump is saying this? Do you think that he has some personal
Do you think that he has some personal interest in cleansing Gazar? Do you
interest in cleansing Gazar? Do you think there might be some special
think there might be some special interest group or perhaps religious or
interest group or perhaps religious or ethnic group that's you know that maybe
ethnic group that's you know that maybe he received money from them and that's
he received money from them and that's the whole reason why uh he wants to
the whole reason why uh he wants to cleanse Gazer. Why do you think that is?
cleanse Gazer. Why do you think that is? I don't do Donald Trump's motivations. I
I don't do Donald Trump's motivations. I really don't care. My claim is that what
really don't care. My claim is that what he's doing is ethnic cleansing. Do you
he's doing is ethnic cleansing. Do you agree with that?
agree with that? I would actually yeah probably agree.
I would actually yeah probably agree. But I'm just
But I'm just You agree that it's ethnic cleansing.
You agree that it's ethnic cleansing. You agree with doing ethnic cleansing?
You agree with doing ethnic cleansing? No, I don't agree with it. But I agree
No, I don't agree with it. But I agree that's probably his plan. But I'm trying
that's probably his plan. But I'm trying to figure out like why do you think that
to figure out like why do you think that is? Because Donald Trump's a white man.
is? Because Donald Trump's a white man. He identifies as Christian. I'm not sure
He identifies as Christian. I'm not sure if he really is. But what interest does
if he really is. But what interest does he have in preserving a Jewish
he have in preserving a Jewish ethnostate? Like why would he have that?
ethnostate? Like why would he have that? It's a good question. You'd have to ask
It's a good question. You'd have to ask Donald Trump that question. I've got
Donald Trump that question. I've got multiple views. I'm sure you have many
multiple views. I'm sure you have many views. I'm I'm not sure I like where
views. I'm I'm not sure I like where you're going with your views, but um I
you're going with your views, but um I think Donald Trump is definitely someone
think Donald Trump is definitely someone who's got financial interests in ethnic
who's got financial interests in ethnic cleansing. He's got political interests.
cleansing. He's got political interests. He loves the evangelical vote. He get a
He loves the evangelical vote. He get a lot of Christian evangelicals like to
lot of Christian evangelicals like to support Israel because they think Jesus
support Israel because they think Jesus will come back if all the Jews are
will come back if all the Jews are gathered in one place with no
gathered in one place with no Palestinians. Uh I think he's going to
Palestinians. Uh I think he's going to make money he thinks from beachfront
make money he thinks from beachfront property with Jared Kushner. Uh he said
property with Jared Kushner. Uh he said something similar in the past.
something similar in the past. You think that's the real reason?
You think that's the real reason? I think there's multiple reasons. Yeah.
I think there's multiple reasons. Yeah. I think financial, geopolitical,
I think financial, geopolitical, ideological, evangelical. I don't really
ideological, evangelical. I don't really care. My claim is that what he's doing
care. My claim is that what he's doing is ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is
is ethnic cleansing. Ethnic cleansing is a war crime according to the fourth
a war crime according to the fourth Geneva Convention. It's against
Geneva Convention. It's against international law under the Rome
international law under the Rome Statute. So we shouldn't be part of
Statute. So we shouldn't be part of that. The United States should not be
that. The United States should not be supporting Donald Trump's plan for
supporting Donald Trump's plan for ethnic cleansing. I agree. Uh what do
ethnic cleansing. I agree. Uh what do you think what do you think should be
you think what do you think should be done instead uh to with the Israel Gaza
done instead uh to with the Israel Gaza situation? I'm not sure what your
situation? I'm not sure what your state would like to see a ceasefire in
state would like to see a ceasefire in Gaza. I would like to see I don't really
Gaza. I would like to see I don't really get into debates about what solutions. I
get into debates about what solutions. I would like to see an end to the killing.
would like to see an end to the killing. I would like to see Gazans have freedom.
I would like to see Gazans have freedom. I would like to see the Palestinians in
I would like to see the Palestinians in Gaza somehow get their land back. 80% of
Gaza somehow get their land back. 80% of Gaza right now is under Israeli military
Gaza right now is under Israeli military control or displacement. I would like to
control or displacement. I would like to see freedom for the Palestinian people.
see freedom for the Palestinian people. I'm an American. To go back to the core
I'm an American. To go back to the core of this show, I spot American values.
of this show, I spot American values. One person, one person free speech. It
One person, one person free speech. It really is a religious and ethnic battle.
really is a religious and ethnic battle. A religious battle.
A religious battle. Well, yes. That is what it's obviously
Well, yes. That is what it's obviously between Jews and Muslims want control of
between Jews and Muslims want control of the holy land.
the holy land. No, it's not.
No, it's not. Yes, it is. What else? What other
Yes, it is. What else? What other actually the founders of Israel were
actually the founders of Israel were secular. They were not religious
secular. They were not religious actually. And I think some religious
actually. And I think some religious Jews like Bazalot who's minister. It
Jews like Bazalot who's minister. It doesn't really matter. Is a religious
doesn't really matter. Is a religious fanatic. But no, the core of the
fanatic. But no, the core of the conflict is over land. It's colonial.
conflict is over land. It's colonial. It's historic. It is not about religion.
It's historic. It is not about religion. Colonialism is for a reason. steal the
Colonialism is for a reason. steal the land, want everyone to believe it's
land, want everyone to believe it's religious.
religious. My point is, why are we sitting here?
My point is, why are we sitting here? Why are we sitting here? It's like a a
Why are we sitting here? It's like a a false dichotomy where we have to argue
false dichotomy where we have to argue like, do Jews get Israel? Do Muslims get
like, do Jews get Israel? Do Muslims get Israel? Why are like we never brought up
Israel? Why are like we never brought up anyone's religion? How many of us bring
anyone's religion? How many of us bring up anyone's religion? How many of us
up anyone's religion? How many of us here are Christians? I didn't bring up
here are Christians? I didn't bring up anyone's relig trying to pick sides
anyone's relig trying to pick sides between Jews and Muslims taking over
between Jews and Muslims taking over Israel. Like, don't you think that
Israel. Like, don't you think that Hold Hold up. First of all, I didn't
Hold Hold up. First of all, I didn't bring up religion. Second of all, you
bring up religion. Second of all, you know that a lot of Palestinians are
know that a lot of Palestinians are Christian, right?
Christian, right? Some of them.
Some of them. You're just reducing it to Muslim versus
You're just reducing it to Muslim versus it's majority Muslim. Yeah, it's very
it's majority Muslim. Yeah, it's very But there are many prominent parties. I
But there are many prominent parties. I agree. Yeah, but there's not that many.
agree. Yeah, but there's not that many. It's not worth everything.
It's not worth everything. Well, it is the reason. Why do you think
Well, it is the reason. Why do you think Iran is backing proxies that want to
Iran is backing proxies that want to take over Gaza, you know, back the
take over Gaza, you know, back the terrorism Gaza? It's obviously because
terrorism Gaza? It's obviously because they want to Muslim control of the land.
they want to Muslim control of the land. You don't think that's why?
You don't think that's why? No, I don't think it's about religion.
No, I don't think it's about religion. Is it?
Is it? I' I've been following this conflict for
I' I've been following this conflict for decades. It's not about religion. People
decades. It's not about religion. People who say it's about religion, it's a
who say it's about religion, it's a distraction.
distraction. Well, it's a big part of it. I think
Well, it's a big part of it. I think I think it's become a big part of it.
I think it's become a big part of it. It's been weaponized by bad faith
It's been weaponized by bad faith actors. Sure, but I don't think that's
actors. Sure, but I don't think that's the core. The core is that one people,
the core. The core is that one people, one group of people are dominating
one group of people are dominating another group of people.
another group of people. What group of people is it? But what
What group of people is it? But what group of people is dominating another
group of people is dominating another group of people?
group of people? One ethnic group is dominating another
One ethnic group is dominating another ethnic group. What ethnic group?
ethnic group. What ethnic group? Jewish people.
Jewish people. Yes. Dominating
Yes. Dominating Arabs.
Arabs. Yes.
Yes. But I didn't say anything about
But I didn't say anything about Christian, Muslim, Jew in a religious
Christian, Muslim, Jew in a religious sense.
sense. Jews define as religion and ethnic. Do
Jews define as religion and ethnic. Do you know that? Right.
you know that? Right. Well, why why do you think that Muslims
Well, why why do you think that Muslims want control of the Holy Muslims? I
want control of the Holy Muslims? I didn't bring up Muslims.
didn't bring up Muslims. Well, they're Muslim states. Like what
Well, they're Muslim states. Like what do you think like Iran wants to do with
do you think like Iran wants to do with Bran? But but that's part of the
Bran? But but that's part of the conversation. What do you mean?
conversation. What do you mean? No, it's not. The conversation is Donald
No, it's not. The conversation is Donald Trump is doing ethnic cleansing and you
Trump is doing ethnic cleansing and you agree with me. So I'm not sure why
agree with me. So I'm not sure why you're still here.
you're still here. It's part of the larger contest.
It's part of the larger contest. It's a weird debate when you actually
It's a weird debate when you actually agree with me.
agree with me. What I was trying to say is we kind of
What I was trying to say is we kind of have this false dichotomy here where
have this false dichotomy here where we're trying to take the you know the
we're trying to take the you know the side of the gauins which mostly it's a
side of the gauins which mostly it's a Muslim majority or the side of human
Muslim majority or the side of human beings who are suffering human beings.
beings who are suffering human beings. You should try who gets control over
You should try who gets control over Israel.
Israel. I say about control. America is a
I say about control. America is a majority Christian country. Should we be
majority Christian country. Should we be deciding Christians should have control
deciding Christians should have control of
of I agree. Donald Trump should not nothing
I agree. Donald Trump should not nothing to do with religion. Donald Trump should
to do with religion. Donald Trump should not be deciding what happens to Gaza.
not be deciding what happens to Gaza. That's my claim. If you agree with me,
That's my claim. If you agree with me, great. Let's shake hands. Give the seat
great. Let's shake hands. Give the seat to someone who disag. Do you think that
to someone who disag. Do you think that America should just cut ties with Israel
America should just cut ties with Israel altogether?
altogether? What's your definition of cut ties?
What's your definition of cut ties? Like stop funding them, stop being a
Like stop funding them, stop being a military arm.
military arm. Yes, I'm on record saying that was an
Yes, I'm on record saying that was an easier debate.
Whoa. Welcome back, Richie. you really want to be here.
want to be here. Um, first of all, I I really thought
Um, first of all, I I really thought that obviously where we started, where
that obviously where we started, where it ended up, there's a lot of
it ended up, there's a lot of aggression. I can see in your eyes
aggression. I can see in your eyes there's a level of exhaustion from being
there's a level of exhaustion from being here. This is where my empathy comes in.
here. This is where my empathy comes in. Where it doesn't is, you know, when you
Where it doesn't is, you know, when you have a room full of people that do agree
have a room full of people that do agree with you, we have this opportunity to
with you, we have this opportunity to come together and you're kind of mocking
come together and you're kind of mocking people when they do. So, you mock Sarah
people when they do. So, you mock Sarah a little bit when you guys clearly had a
a little bit when you guys clearly had a common interest and goal to reach. So, I
common interest and goal to reach. So, I can tell you're agitated. I want to
can tell you're agitated. I want to bring that all down. Please,
bring that all down. Please, I'm I'm guessing you're not going to,
I'm I'm guessing you're not going to, but let's see.
but let's see. No, no, I'm going to. I do want to point
No, no, I'm going to. I do want to point out some contradictions. First and
out some contradictions. First and foremost, I don't believe you're
foremost, I don't believe you're pro-American in the value system that
pro-American in the value system that you claim to uphold, especially with
you claim to uphold, especially with free speech if you're not willing to
free speech if you're not willing to debate people that don't share your
debate people that don't share your values. That's very un Trump's plan for
values. That's very un Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing.
Gaza is ethnic cleansing. I I don't believe it's ethnic cleansing,
I I don't believe it's ethnic cleansing, but I but I cuz it's not his plan.
but I but I cuz it's not his plan. It is his plan. He said it's my plan.
It is his plan. He said it's my plan. No, he's not call his plan.
No, he's not call his plan. He is obeying someone else's plan.
He is obeying someone else's plan. Okay.
Okay. Who is he obeying? Uh he is obeying
Who is he obeying? Uh he is obeying Israel's plan. Okay. Uh for the greater
Israel's plan. Okay. Uh for the greater Israel project of which this is one of
Israel project of which this is one of those things that we can agree on. We're
those things that we can agree on. We're not Why is he doing that? I don't I
not Why is he doing that? I don't I don't know. Maybe they have something on
don't know. Maybe they have something on him. Maybe they have something on all of
him. Maybe they have something on all of you think it's a bad thing what he's
you think it's a bad thing what he's doing.
doing. Absolutely. Okay.
Absolutely. Okay. But see, you're I don't want to shut
But see, you're I don't want to shut down agree with you. Okay, perfect. You
down agree with you. Okay, perfect. You know, but I I I want to take this
know, but I I I want to take this opportunity because I don't know if I'm
opportunity because I don't know if I'm going to get the opportunity again to
going to get the opportunity again to say you're not American first and
say you're not American first and foremost. You're not
foremost. You're not Remember what I said? The agitation from
Remember what I said? The agitation from you is not going to be there. But what
you is not going to be there. But what I'm saying,
I'm saying, you came to lower the temperature and
you came to lower the temperature and then make racist remarks. You know
then make racist remarks. You know that's a racist remark.
that's a racist remark. It's not racist.
It's not racist. You tell an American citizen.
You tell an American citizen. But okay, perfect. Perfect. You just
But okay, perfect. Perfect. You just proved your own point. You just said
proved your own point. You just said that was a racist position. Earlier you
that was a racist position. Earlier you you argue this contention that America
you argue this contention that America has no race. It's a bunch of immigrants
has no race. It's a bunch of immigrants that culminate together.
that culminate together. America has no race.
America has no race. You you inferred it. You absolutely did.
You you inferred it. You absolutely did. So now you're saying it's racist for me
So now you're saying it's racist for me to take American nationalist approach.
to take American nationalist approach. You're kind of
You're kind of American national approach. Is that a
American national approach. Is that a white approach? I I think it's a a white
white approach? I I think it's a a white nivist approach of of course only
nivist approach of of course only Americans are white people. Why did your
Americans are white people. Why did your parents immigrate only white people?
parents immigrate only white people? Why did your parents immigrate from
Why did your parents immigrate from India to the UK?
India to the UK? Because the UK colonized and conquered
Because the UK colonized and conquered India.
India. Okay. Why did you immigrate to America?
Okay. Why did you immigrate to America? Because many reasons.
Because many reasons. Okay. All opportunity. There's
Okay. All opportunity. There's opportunity.
opportunity. You don't know
You don't know the accent. Your accent is a is an
the accent. Your accent is a is an afflect of of white Anglo-Saxon.
afflect of of white Anglo-Saxon. You know there are 50 million Americans
You know there are 50 million Americans in this country.
in this country. I understand. But you're
I understand. But you're none of them are Americans in your view.
none of them are Americans in your view. what I'm trying to get you to do to
what I'm trying to get you to do to reach a common ground here.
reach a common ground here. We're not gonna reach a common ground
We're not gonna reach a common ground because you said I'm not American.
because you said I'm not American. Please try.
Please try. I don't think you're American.
I don't think you're American. I'm saying I'm saying you're not
I'm saying I'm saying you're not American. I'm not I'm saying you're not
American. I'm not I'm saying you're not American due to values.
American due to values. I don't think you're not American on
I don't think you're not American on values either. I think you're a little
values either. I think you're a little fascisty, a little racist.
fascisty, a little racist. See, you're using these words. Okay.
See, you're using these words. Okay. First of all, I want to say this. I'm
First of all, I want to say this. I'm not just throwing you sit down. I said
not just throwing you sit down. I said every conservative that has ever been
every conservative that has ever been shut down by leftists like you. For
shut down by leftists like you. For every conservative, for every
every conservative, for every conservative, you've already said, for
conservative, you've already said, for every rightwing, for every Stefan Mu Mu,
every rightwing, for every Stefan Mu Mu, Thomas, Nick Fuentes, all of those
Thomas, Nick Fuentes, all of those people American.
people American. He's Australian. But but but that's the
He's Australian. But but but that's the point. I'm saying people that are on our
point. I'm saying people that are on our side of the aisle that get shut down by
side of the aisle that get shut down by people like you because you're
people like you because you're leveraging this position of emotion.
leveraging this position of emotion. You're joking, right? No, I'm not.
You're joking, right? No, I'm not. You're leveraging
You're leveraging my side of the aisle is trying to deport
my side of the aisle is trying to deport you.
you. The only shut down they're actually
The only shut down they're actually trying my entire race. So, what are you
trying my entire race. So, what are you talking about?
talking about? What are you talking about?
What are you talking about? You're a white genocide guy.
You're a white genocide guy. Are you kidding me? You know the fact
Are you kidding me? You know the fact you're
you're I'm amazed that Jubilee find some of you
I'm amazed that Jubilee find some of you guys. How do they find you?
guys. How do they find you? Do you email you?
Do you email you? Do you have
Do you have Why are you trying to ou me?
Why are you trying to ou me? Do you go to Nordstrom? All immigrants.
Do you go to Nordstrom? All immigrants. Have you ever been on eBay? Immigrants.
Have you ever been on eBay? Immigrants. You love immigrants.
You love immigrants. You love immigrants when they're helping
You love immigrants when they're helping you. You just don't like the color of my
you. You just don't like the color of my skin.
skin. We're having a different genocide.
We're having a different genocide. All right. You've been voted out. Please
All right. You've been voted out. Please return to your seat. Okay. I really wish
return to your seat. Okay. I really wish we could have got
we could have got I mean, you believe in white genocide,
I mean, you believe in white genocide, so it's very hard to
Hello. Hey, how's it going?
Hey, how's it going? Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you. Hello. So, um, I'll switch over to the
Hello. So, um, I'll switch over to the Gaza thing in a second, but first off, I
Gaza thing in a second, but first off, I just wanted to touch on that. You said
just wanted to touch on that. You said that you support free speech, of course,
that you support free speech, of course, right?
right? So, what I'm confused about is you've
So, what I'm confused about is you've refused to debate people that I've
refused to debate people that I've disagreed with you because you said that
disagreed with you because you said that they're racist or they're fascist,
they're racist or they're fascist, right?
right? No, no, no, If we're going to do facts,
No, no, no, If we're going to do facts, they said they were racist and fascist.
they said they were racist and fascist. Get your facts right before you start
Get your facts right before you start arguing.
arguing. So, isn't the whole entire point of a
So, isn't the whole entire point of a debate to debate people that you don't
debate to debate people that you don't agree with? I don't debate people who
agree with? I don't debate people who don't see me a as equal. No point. Or b
don't see me a as equal. No point. Or b support democracy because that would
support democracy because that would undermine the whole idea of the debate.
undermine the whole idea of the debate. If you don't support democracy as our
If you don't support democracy as our friend here doesn't, and support General
friend here doesn't, and support General Franco, then what is the point of a
Franco, then what is the point of a debate? The first amendment doesn't mean
debate? The first amendment doesn't mean you have to debate everyone. Somebody
you have to debate everyone. Somebody comes up to you in the street and starts
comes up to you in the street and starts talking to you, you don't you don't have
talking to you, you don't you don't have an obligation to carry on talking to
an obligation to carry on talking to them. I'm sure you go about your
them. I'm sure you go about your business. somebody comes up to you in
business. somebody comes up to you in the subway and sits next to you and
the subway and sits next to you and starts ranting in your face, you're not
starts ranting in your face, you're not going to start debating. Everyone here
going to start debating. Everyone here has hygiene standards as do you. There
has hygiene standards as do you. There are people you wouldn't debate, I'm
are people you wouldn't debate, I'm sure, as well.
sure, as well. Okay. So, can you please uh describe why
Okay. So, can you please uh describe why you think Trump is uh supporting ethnic
you think Trump is uh supporting ethnic cleansing of GSA just because he wants
cleansing of GSA just because he wants to take over the land there? How does
to take over the land there? How does that kill?
that kill? Not just take over the land,
Not just take over the land, kick out all the people. That is the
kick out all the people. That is the definition of ethnic cleansing.
definition of ethnic cleansing. So, isn't ethnic cleansing killing
So, isn't ethnic cleansing killing people? Because it seems like you're
people? Because it seems like you're No, you can ethnic cleanse people
No, you can ethnic cleanse people without killing them. And by the way,
without killing them. And by the way, they have been killed. More than 50,000
they have been killed. More than 50,000 people in Gaza have been killed by the
people in Gaza have been killed by the Israelis, by people like Bazalmotrich
Israelis, by people like Bazalmotrich who said recently the finance minister
who said recently the finance minister of Israel, "We are going to Gaza to
of Israel, "We are going to Gaza to conquer, cleanse, and remain. We are
conquer, cleanse, and remain. We are going to annihilate the place. We're
going to annihilate the place. We're going to disassemble Gaza." He said,
going to disassemble Gaza." He said, "We're going to leave it behind as piles
"We're going to leave it behind as piles of rubble. That's the guy Trump's
of rubble. That's the guy Trump's funding, supporting, that's the guy
funding, supporting, that's the guy praising Trump." So yes, Trump and
praising Trump." So yes, Trump and Smootrich are ethnically cleansing.
Smootrich are ethnically cleansing. I can I cannot deny I cannot deny that
I can I cannot deny I cannot deny that thousands of people are dying in Gaza.
thousands of people are dying in Gaza. But you need to realize why are they
But you need to realize why are they dying? Is it possibly that they're
dying? Is it possibly that they're attacking another country because people
attacking another country because people are dying attacking another country?
are dying attacking another country? Just because Israel is killing more
Just because Israel is killing more Gazins than Gazins are killing Israel
Gazins than Gazins are killing Israel doesn't mean Gaza is righteous and
doesn't mean Gaza is righteous and Israel is evil.
Israel is evil. I never said anything about evil or
I never said anything about evil or right. I said ethnic cleansing. You said
right. I said ethnic cleansing. You said don't they have to be killed? I said
don't they have to be killed? I said they are being killed and the criteria
they are being killed and the criteria for what's happening to them. If Donald
for what's happening to them. If Donald Trump says these people have to leave
Trump says these people have to leave and never come back, is that not ethnic
and never come back, is that not ethnic cleansing? What is your definition of
cleansing? What is your definition of ethnic cleansing?
ethnic cleansing? I would think ethnic cleansing is when
I would think ethnic cleansing is when you're killing off a uh large part of an
you're killing off a uh large part of an ethnic group.
ethnic group. That's genocide. You're confusing your
That's genocide. You're confusing your terms. Ethnic cleansing is removing one
terms. Ethnic cleansing is removing one ethnic group
ethnic group using a deliberate policy by violence or
using a deliberate policy by violence or terror inspiring means to remove another
terror inspiring means to remove another population, another ethnic group from a
population, another ethnic group from a certain geographic area. That's the UN
certain geographic area. That's the UN definition of ethnic cleansing. That is
definition of ethnic cleansing. That is what he's doing. When he was asked
what he's doing. When he was asked Donald Trump, can they come back? He
Donald Trump, can they come back? He said no, they cannot. That is I think
said no, they cannot. That is I think I've heard all these fact people talk
I've heard all these fact people talk about white genocide today. You guys are
about white genocide today. You guys are nationalists. How would you feel if
nationalists. How would you feel if somebody came the president of France
somebody came the president of France came and told you to leave your land and
came and told you to leave your land and not come back? Would you not feel you'd
not come back? Would you not feel you'd been ethnically cleansed from your home?
been ethnically cleansed from your home? From America?
From America? Yeah. Well, because I'm a I'm my my
Yeah. Well, because I'm a I'm my my ancestors were settlers here, not
ancestors were settlers here, not immigrants. They actually
immigrants. They actually Palestinians are not immigrants in Gaza.
Palestinians are not immigrants in Gaza. They are indigenous people to the land.
They are indigenous people to the land. Didn't Israel just give Gaza the land
Didn't Israel just give Gaza the land like a few decades ago?
like a few decades ago? No.
No. I'm pretty sure Israel used to have that
I'm pretty sure Israel used to have that land.
land. I'm pretty sure you're wrong. They
I'm pretty sure you're wrong. They withdrew from 2005 from the land, but
withdrew from 2005 from the land, but control the air
control the air them in 2005.
them in 2005. No, they don't give it to them. They
No, they don't give it to them. They control the air, the sea space, the
control the air, the sea space, the borders, the population registry. They
borders, the population registry. They controlled what went in and out. It was
controlled what went in and out. It was a prison, an open air prison. That's not
a prison, an open air prison. That's not giving them.
giving them. Don't they have a border with Egypt and
Don't they have a border with Egypt and then the Mediterranean
then the Mediterranean and Israelis and Egyptians work together
and Israelis and Egyptians work together because Donald Trump and Joe Biden and
because Donald Trump and Joe Biden and Barack Obama?
Barack Obama? Yes, they're funded by the United
Yes, they're funded by the United States. Did you know that Muslim
States. Did you know that Muslim countries do bad things, too?
countries do bad things, too? No, I know that do they do bad things.
No, I know that do they do bad things. Okay, then we're in agreement.
Okay, then we're in agreement. All right, pause. You've been voted out.
All right, pause. You've been voted out. Please return to your seat. Nice
Please return to your seat. Nice to meet you.
No one. Great. Hello, sir. Welcome back.
Hello, sir. Welcome back. See you again, Miy. All right. So, I
See you again, Miy. All right. So, I agree that Trump wants to do a
agree that Trump wants to do a cleansing,
cleansing, but not an ethnic one because that area
but not an ethnic one because that area requires a lot of cleansing because when
requires a lot of cleansing because when you have a population that was taught
you have a population that was taught from early childhood age to hate Jews,
from early childhood age to hate Jews, Christians, and pagans, you need some
Christians, and pagans, you need some serious re-education.
serious re-education. Number one, that's not true. And number
Number one, that's not true. And number two, that's not what he's proposing.
two, that's not what he's proposing. Well, I mean, mo most Palestinians by
Well, I mean, mo most Palestinians by polling number do support Hamas.
polling number do support Hamas. They support resisting Israel. Well, I
They support resisting Israel. Well, I mean the thing is, you know, what did
mean the thing is, you know, what did they do in the first place that they are
they do in the first place that they are in this uh what you call open air
in this uh what you call open air prison?
prison? Great question. What did they do to
Great question. What did they do to deserve being occupied?
deserve being occupied? Well, here's the thing. Because the
Well, here's the thing. Because the Islamic Republic in Iran is using them
Islamic Republic in Iran is using them as a tool.
as a tool. What does this as a tool for their
What does this as a tool for their Islamic expansion?
Islamic expansion? When did the Islamic Hold on. When did
When did the Islamic Hold on. When did the Islamic Republic of Iran You're
the Islamic Republic of Iran You're Iranian American, I believe?
Iranian American, I believe? Yes, I am.
Yes, I am. When was the Islamic Republic of Iran
When was the Islamic Republic of Iran founded?
founded? 1979.
1979. When was Gaza occupied by Israel?
When was Gaza occupied by Israel? uh 19 well the very first 67 yeah so can
uh 19 well the very first 67 yeah so can we do the maths together 12 years before
we do the maths together 12 years before the Islamic Republic of Iran existed
the Islamic Republic of Iran existed Israel was oppressing occupying
Israel was oppressing occupying dispossessing the people of Gaza so your
dispossessing the people of Gaza so your argument makes no sense
argument makes no sense were there any terrorist organizations
were there any terrorist organizations at the time
at the time the PLO was considered a terrorist
the PLO was considered a terrorist organization by the entire western world
organization by the entire western world all right so was Hamas there
all right so was Hamas there Hamas did not exist till the 1980s
Hamas did not exist till the 1980s exactly my point is after the Islamic
exactly my point is after the Islamic Republic came it became chaotic because
Republic came it became chaotic because the Islamic Republic started to lose the
the Islamic Republic started to lose the what the so-called innocent Palestinians
what the so-called innocent Palestinians for their own
for their own so-called innocent Palestinian. You
so-called innocent Palestinian. You don't think Palestinians are innocent?
don't think Palestinians are innocent? Not all of them because
Not all of them because what about the 17,000 children who were
what about the 17,000 children who were killed?
killed? They're doing the same.
They're doing the same. 17,000 children were killed. Were they
17,000 children were killed. Were they not innocent?
not innocent? Who uh were they not innocent?
Who uh were they not innocent? Who's responsible for that?
Who's responsible for that? Israel dropped the bomb.
Israel dropped the bomb. Hamas is responsible. Hamas is
Hamas is responsible. Hamas is responsible for hiding in hospitals and
responsible for hiding in hospitals and and banking tunnels underneath.
and banking tunnels underneath. So when children are shot in the head by
So when children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers, Israeli snipers aren't
Israeli snipers, Israeli snipers aren't responsible for that.
responsible for that. Look, it's a simple question. Here's the
Look, it's a simple question. Here's the problem. When Israeli snipers shoot
problem. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in Gaza in the
Palestinian children in Gaza in the head, as eyewitness testimony and
head, as eyewitness testimony and doctor's testimony proves, that's not
doctor's testimony proves, that's not the fault of the Israeli snipers.
the fault of the Israeli snipers. This is this is the problem because then
This is this is the problem because then you have a problem.
you have a problem. The problem is you won't answer the
The problem is you won't answer the question. I'll ask you a third time.
question. I'll ask you a third time. When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian
When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head, is that not the
children in the head, is that not the fault of Israeli snipers?
fault of Israeli snipers? Well, you got to let me finish.
Well, you got to let me finish. No, you got to answer the question
No, you got to answer the question fourth time. When Israeli snipers
fourth time. When Israeli snipers Palestinian children in the head, we're
Palestinian children in the head, we're running out of time. I need to know what
running out of time. I need to know what you think about innocent children cuz
you think about innocent children cuz what you said was pretty outrageous. You
what you said was pretty outrageous. You said so. innocent Palestinians for the
said so. innocent Palestinians for the fifth time when Palestinian children are
fifth time when Palestinian children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers. Is
shot in the head by Israeli snipers. Is that not the fault of Israel?
that not the fault of Israel? What did those children do?
What did those children do? What did you tell me? Did the children
What did you tell me? Did the children deserve to be shot in the head? Because
deserve to be shot in the head? Because the problem is millions of people are
the problem is millions of people are watching you say
watching you say children. They start brainwashing
children. They start brainwashing children at a at a very long young age.
children at a at a very long young age. So you support sniping children in Gaza?
So you support sniping children in Gaza? Do other people here support sniping
Do other people here support sniping children in Gaza? Is that a conservative
children in Gaza? Is that a conservative position now?
position now? What if they're wearing a suicide vest?
What if they're wearing a suicide vest? They weren't. But what if they are?
They weren't. But what if they are? They're not though. Dozens of children.
They're not though. Dozens of children. I have friends who went there. Doctors
I have friends who went there. Doctors went to American doctors. They came back
went to American doctors. They came back and we have multiple children.
and we have multiple children. What if they're hellbent on killing you
What if they're hellbent on killing you and your family?
and your family? A 10-year-old child, an 8-year-old
A 10-year-old child, an 8-year-old child, a six-y old child.
child, a six-y old child. Because because you sitting on
Because because you sitting on television where millions of people are
television where millions of people are going to see, your neighbors, your
going to see, your neighbors, your friends, you support the killing of
friends, you support the killing of children. Millions of people don't know
children. Millions of people don't know what's going on.
what's going on. Even your fellow rightwingers are
Even your fellow rightwingers are saying, "Don't go this far.
saying, "Don't go this far. genocide. Sure. But don't
genocide. Sure. But don't millions of people don't understand the
millions of people don't understand the brainwashing that is going on in Isra
brainwashing that is going on in Isra Islamic Republic and in Palestine to
Islamic Republic and in Palestine to create this obsessed with Iran so much
create this obsessed with Iran so much that you're supporting the killing of
that you're supporting the killing of Palestinian children who never harmed
Palestinian children who never harmed you or any other Israeli. That's insane.
you or any other Israeli. That's insane. Look,
Look, and the fact that you support Trump's
and the fact that you support Trump's ethnic cleansing now doesn't surprise
ethnic cleansing now doesn't surprise me.
me. I didn't say ethnic cleansing. I said
I didn't say ethnic cleansing. I said cleansing of the land because you need
cleansing of the land because you need to cleanse the land from
to cleanse the land from said you've been voted out. Please
said you've been voted out. Please return to your seat.
How you doing? Good to see you again. I'm good. I'm good seeing you, too, man.
I'm good. I'm good seeing you, too, man. Uh, first thing I'm going to say is, uh,
Uh, first thing I'm going to say is, uh, I'm not dying for Israel. Okay, that's
I'm not dying for Israel. Okay, that's the first thing I'm going to say. And,
the first thing I'm going to say. And, uh, I don't like when you come up here
uh, I don't like when you come up here and you use the type of rhetoric that
and you use the type of rhetoric that you do. You talk like all these like
you do. You talk like all these like leftwing positions and then you go to
leftwing positions and then you go to the last part, which is I don't support
the last part, which is I don't support ethnic cleansing in Palestine. I think
ethnic cleansing in Palestine. I think you're doing a huge disservice to pro
you're doing a huge disservice to pro Palestinians when you start allowing
Palestinians when you start allowing aligning yourself with all these
aligning yourself with all these progressives. Um I I don't think it
progressives. Um I I don't think it looks good because you have all these
looks good because you have all these conservatives in here who oppose war.
conservatives in here who oppose war. They oppose intervention in the same
They oppose intervention in the same tradition of Pat Buchanan and all the
tradition of Pat Buchanan and all the greats that came
greats that came about Donald Trump though sadly.
about Donald Trump though sadly. Yeah, it is sad. It is sad. I do agree.
Yeah, it is sad. It is sad. I do agree. I mean he ran on an anti-war ticket. He
I mean he ran on an anti-war ticket. He said he was gonna I didn't
said he was gonna I didn't because he lies, right?
because he lies, right? You gonna let me talk or you just want
You gonna let me talk or you just want to Yeah, true. So I mean yeah you keep
to Yeah, true. So I mean yeah you keep you know you keep going back to Trump. I
you know you keep going back to Trump. I don't think this is part of his plan. I
don't think this is part of his plan. I think this is a plan of lobbyists and
think this is a plan of lobbyists and this is not just unique to Trump. It's
this is not just unique to Trump. It's been a thing since the Democrats. It's
been a thing since the Democrats. It's been a thing since the Republicans
been a thing since the Republicans before him. It's it's been like this
before him. It's it's been like this since Truman. I don't know if you read
since Truman. I don't know if you read like John Mirshimer's the Israel lobby
like John Mirshimer's the Israel lobby or anything like that. Would you agree
or anything like that. Would you agree or disagree with anything like that?
or disagree with anything like that? Oh, I agree with Steven John Mesh. Yeah,
Oh, I agree with Steven John Mesh. Yeah, for sure.
for sure. Okay, great. So, I'm just wondering when
Okay, great. So, I'm just wondering when you ally yourself with all these
you ally yourself with all these leftists and you come up here and you
leftists and you come up here and you argue for immigration, you argue up here
argue for immigration, you argue up here that, you know, Trump's this bad
that, you know, Trump's this bad criminal and this and that and then you
criminal and this and that and then you think Trump's bad too. a bad I think
think Trump's bad too. a bad I think he's good on some questions and bad on
he's good on some questions and bad on other things. But let me get to my point
other things. But let me get to my point here is you allow yourselves with guys
here is you allow yourselves with guys like uh you know Jewish Voices for Peace
like uh you know Jewish Voices for Peace and all those guys.
and all those guys. Great people.
Great people. Yeah. Not really though. Why?
Yeah. Not really though. Why? Cuz they're self-interested in it. It
Cuz they're self-interested in it. It says by definition it says it says it on
says by definition it says it says it on their home page.
their home page. By definition they're not
By definition they're not self-interested, right? They're going
self-interested, right? They're going against their own.
against their own. Are you going to let me talk? On their
Are you going to let me talk? On their homepage it literally says that we are
homepage it literally says that we are here to segregate Judaism from Zionism.
here to segregate Judaism from Zionism. It's very clear they're doing this in
It's very clear they're doing this in their own interest. That's why it
their own interest. That's why it literally says Jewish voices for peace.
literally says Jewish voices for peace. They're going to be the good Jews who
They're going to be the good Jews who say that we don't support Palestine. And
say that we don't support Palestine. And then what happens is you take all these
then what happens is you take all these progressives, you go out there and LAR
progressives, you go out there and LAR in the street. Then everyone here who's
in the street. Then everyone here who's conservative, they're going to broke for
conservative, they're going to broke for the pro-war candidate because they don't
the pro-war candidate because they don't want to be associated with all the
want to be associated with all the liberals.
liberals. You're forced to vote for pro-war
You're forced to vote for pro-war people. Poor people.
people. Poor people. It's either that or get replaced in my
It's either that or get replaced in my country. What do you want me to do?
country. What do you want me to do? Oh, you and your replacement [ __ ]
Oh, you and your replacement [ __ ] Yeah. Okay, buddy.
Yeah. Okay, buddy. [Applause]
[Applause] Oh wow, there's three people so far.
Oh wow, there's three people so far. Let's keep counting. We should be nicer
Let's keep counting. We should be nicer to you, otherwise you'll deport us. What
to you, otherwise you'll deport us. What a great argument. This is the free
a great argument. This is the free speech debate.
speech debate. It's not your country, my friend. It's
It's not your country, my friend. It's our country whether you like it or not.
I I thought Kai was he smiled. He laughed. He disagreed. He did it. I felt
laughed. He disagreed. He did it. I felt like it was good faith. Let's see.
like it was good faith. Let's see. I appreciate it, Eddie.
I appreciate it, Eddie. He seemed to be in good faith. He seems
He seemed to be in good faith. He seems kind of smart and uh you know he's one
kind of smart and uh you know he's one of the few people who doesn't want to
of the few people who doesn't want to deport me or or maybe not. We're going
deport me or or maybe not. We're going to find out.
to find out. My claim is we should get rid of
My claim is we should get rid of birthright citizenship.
birthright citizenship. Why do you want to get rid of birthright
Why do you want to get rid of birthright citizenship and how by the way? Because
citizenship and how by the way? Because you know it's in the constitution. I'm
you know it's in the constitution. I'm so glad you brought this up. Yes.
so glad you brought this up. Yes. Because it was one of my
Because it was one of my the 14th
the 14th 14th I mentioned it to a bunch of your
14th I mentioned it to a bunch of your friends and nobody wanted to engage in
friends and nobody wanted to engage in the 14th. Let's talk about the 14th
the 14th. Let's talk about the 14th amendment citizenship clause which says
amendment citizenship clause which says that if you're born here you're a
that if you're born here you're a citizen of the United States.
citizen of the United States. Yes. I well I and I chose this because
Yes. I well I and I chose this because it's an it's an extension of the
it's an it's an extension of the original debate and the immigration
original debate and the immigration debate.
debate. Okay.
Okay. I think birthright citizenship first of
I think birthright citizenship first of all when it was originally argued um you
all when it was originally argued um you know among the the people who were who
know among the the people who were who are actually voting on the clause right
are actually voting on the clause right it was argued that the birthright
it was argued that the birthright citizenship was not automatically
citizenship was not automatically extended to everybody who was just born
extended to everybody who was just born here. And we have a long history of that
here. And we have a long history of that as well for example with the Native
as well for example with the Native Americans who had particular laws that
Americans who had particular laws that applied solely to them. What I think
applied solely to them. What I think we're seeing in this country is not
we're seeing in this country is not everybody is so similarly under the
everybody is so similarly under the jurisdiction thereof of the United
jurisdiction thereof of the United States, right? And by allowing for
States, right? And by allowing for birthright citizenship and not
birthright citizenship and not interpreting the Constitution as we're
interpreting the Constitution as we're legally allowed to and restrict, you
legally allowed to and restrict, you know, the automatic citizenship of
know, the automatic citizenship of anybody who's born here, we actually
anybody who's born here, we actually remove the issue, for example, of family
remove the issue, for example, of family separation because there is no incentive
separation because there is no incentive of a family to come over to this country
of a family to come over to this country illegally and then have a child, which
illegally and then have a child, which is contributing to the awful situation
is contributing to the awful situation we have in America of breaking up
we have in America of breaking up families. This is not something that I
families. This is not something that I imagine you or I agree with.
imagine you or I agree with. No,
No, the issue is birthright citizenship
the issue is birthright citizenship hasn't incentivized that.
hasn't incentivized that. So even if I were to concede that in
So even if I were to concede that in some cases birthright citizenship has
some cases birthright citizenship has incentivized that that you know I don't
incentivized that that you know I don't like the phrase anchor babies, but I'm
like the phrase anchor babies, but I'm not naive enough to pretend that there
not naive enough to pretend that there are not immigrants who come here and
are not immigrants who come here and time the pregnancy in order to get
time the pregnancy in order to get of you can you and I can agree on that.
of you can you and I can agree on that. Yeah.
Yeah. But that doesn't mean you then rip up a
But that doesn't mean you then rip up a constitutional principle that goes back
constitutional principle that goes back centuries. Goes back before the 14th
centuries. Goes back before the 14th amendment. 14th amendment came about I
amendment. 14th amendment came about I think in 1868 if memory serves me
think in 1868 if memory serves me correctly
correctly but the principle underlying it is
but the principle underlying it is actually from my other country the UK
actually from my other country the UK ancient English common law right so this
ancient English common law right so this was always the case the 14th amendment
was always the case the 14th amendment as you know because you seem well read
as you know because you seem well read came along and codified what was already
came along and codified what was already a principle in American and English law
a principle in American and English law that if you're born in the country you
that if you're born in the country you are a citizen now you mentioned the
are a citizen now you mentioned the point about jurisdiction there is that
point about jurisdiction there is that little bit in there in where it says
little bit in there in where it says subject to the jurisdiction thereof that
subject to the jurisdiction thereof that in the debate if you go back and read
in the debate if you go back and read the debate that the senators had at the
the debate that the senators had at the time they were very explicit that that
time they were very explicit that that was to do with foreign ministers and
was to do with foreign ministers and foreign ambassadors, diplomats living in
foreign ambassadors, diplomats living in embassies decades shouldn't be citizens.
embassies decades shouldn't be citizens. Obviously, they're here on their own.
Obviously, they're here on their own. You know, the the Argentine embassy in
You know, the the Argentine embassy in DC, it's Argentine soil, you know. So,
DC, it's Argentine soil, you know. So, we accept all that. Absolutely. But when
we accept all that. Absolutely. But when they were asked but when they were asked
they were asked but when they were asked about Chinese immigrants, Senator
about Chinese immigrants, Senator Trumbull, who was uh I think the chair
Trumbull, who was uh I think the chair of the judiciary committee back in the
of the judiciary committee back in the 1860s during this debate,
1860s during this debate, he said at the time, Chinese immigrants
he said at the time, Chinese immigrants children, they are citizens. In fact,
children, they are citizens. In fact, 1898, as you well know, we get Wong Kim
1898, as you well know, we get Wong Kim Arc, Supreme Court case, Wongqim Arc
Arc, Supreme Court case, Wongqim Arc versus the United States, and the
versus the United States, and the Supreme Court says yes, even the child
Supreme Court says yes, even the child of undocumented Chinese immigrants is an
of undocumented Chinese immigrants is an American citizen. So, this is a
American citizen. So, this is a principle going back centuries. So,
principle going back centuries. So, while I can agree with you that there
while I can agree with you that there are cases that abuse the 14th amendment,
are cases that abuse the 14th amendment, that there are issues of family
that there are issues of family separation, I'm not going to rip up a
separation, I'm not going to rip up a constitutional principle that goes back
constitutional principle that goes back centuries and is backed by what 27y old
centuries and is backed by what 27y old Supreme Court president because Donald
Supreme Court president because Donald Trump is looking for ways to cut the
Trump is looking for ways to cut the number of brown and black people in the
number of brown and black people in the United States.
United States. If if you don't mind me interrupting,
If if you don't mind me interrupting, this is this is where I think it's
this is this is where I think it's important as well to go back to what we
important as well to go back to what we talked about with the Constitution. When
talked about with the Constitution. When we're analyzing, and I admittedly, I'm
we're analyzing, and I admittedly, I'm not as interested in the legal argument.
not as interested in the legal argument. There's obviously many ways to interpret
There's obviously many ways to interpret the constitution. Y, but I don't think,
the constitution. Y, but I don't think, especially among conservatives, that it
especially among conservatives, that it is positive to use the constitution to
is positive to use the constitution to dismantle it. When we analyze the
dismantle it. When we analyze the original context, like you were saying
original context, like you were saying in in the late 19th century, our
in in the late 19th century, our immigration law was absolutely
immigration law was absolutely different. Including, you know, in
different. Including, you know, in respect with the Irish and Chinese
respect with the Irish and Chinese immigrants that were coming over, it was
immigrants that were coming over, it was absolutely different. Chang,
absolutely different. Chang, we had open borders, my friend. Some
we had open borders, my friend. Some people in this room would hate it. We
people in this room would hate it. We had open borders for half of American
had open borders for half of American history.
history. Well, that I don't think that's very
Well, that I don't think that's very that's very that's very true. It's 100%
that's very that's very true. It's 100% true.
true. Well, hold on. If you're comparing the
Well, hold on. If you're comparing the open borders, which I don't concede to,
open borders, which I don't concede to, but if you're comparing the open borders
but if you're comparing the open borders prior to like 1910 and prior to the
prior to like 1910 and prior to the heart seller act and you look at the
heart seller act and you look at the amount of immigration and who was coming
amount of immigration and who was coming over,
over, nice deflection amount is irrelevant. We
nice deflection amount is irrelevant. We did have an open absolutely relevant
did have an open absolutely relevant because the constitution like the
because the constitution like the founding father your argument is we had
founding father your argument is we had open borders fewer immigrants.
open borders fewer immigrants. I was about to answer.
I was about to answer. It's important to analyze the context
It's important to analyze the context wherein these laws and parts of the
wherein these laws and parts of the constitution arise. The original
constitution arise. The original founding fathers said the constitution
founding fathers said the constitution was made only for immoral and religious
was made only for immoral and religious people and is wholly inadequate to the
people and is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. Which means the
government of any other. Which means the people that wrote this document
people that wrote this document understood that it would not be able to
understood that it would not be able to properly
properly super secular people. Let's just be
super secular people. Let's just be clear on that.
clear on that. Well, no, that's not true. They were
Well, no, that's not true. They were deist.
deist. No, the majority were deists.
No, the majority were deists. But they were secular. Secular doesn't
But they were secular. Secular doesn't mean atheist. You know what I mean?
mean atheist. You know what I mean? I understand that. But theist doesn't
I understand that. But theist doesn't mean secular or atheist. It means they
mean secular or atheist. It means they believe in a god but not a god. That's
believe in a god but not a god. That's about
about whether they're theist or theist. I said
whether they're theist or theist. I said they're secular. But secular means you
they're secular. But secular means you separate church and state.
separate church and state. Okay. Well, let's talk. We could even
Okay. Well, let's talk. We could even talk about that. That's a perfect
talk about that. That's a perfect example.
example. You're going to run out of your own time
You're going to run out of your own time making your argument which I haven't
making your argument which I haven't made so far.
made so far. I understand. But the separation of
I understand. But the separation of church and state is now completely
church and state is now completely differently understood than originally
differently understood than originally proposed. Thomas Jefferson who talks
proposed. Thomas Jefferson who talks about the wall of separation which
about the wall of separation which doesn't even exist in the constitution
doesn't even exist in the constitution understood it as a Supreme Court
understood it as a Supreme Court president as you well know.
president as you well know. Yeah. Sure. But the president of the
Yeah. Sure. But the president of the last 100 years where in the country has
last 100 years where in the country has been completely different from its
been completely different from its founding should not overrule the
founding should not overrule the original intent of the people who wrote
original intent of the people who wrote the document that you and I are both
the document that you and I are both citing. Okay.
citing. Okay. Which means
Which means but I don't but I'm not I'm not locked
but I don't but I'm not I'm not locked into what the people who write. We've
into what the people who write. We've had amendments to the constitution. You
had amendments to the constitution. You know that right?
know that right? I understand that. And this is our
I understand that. And this is our fundamental disagreement is that I I
fundamental disagreement is that I I don't believe
don't believe you think you can read the minds of
you think you can read the minds of people in the 1770s. That's not true.
people in the 1770s. That's not true. And and I'm stuck.
And and I'm stuck. I just I just believe this country ought
I just I just believe this country ought to be more like the country we
to be more like the country we originally had. And I don't think
originally had. And I don't think that's your opinion. You're entitled to
that's your opinion. You're entitled to I understand that.
I understand that. But they're a factual basis.
But they're a factual basis. Well, let me let me try to see what you
Well, let me let me try to see what you believe.
believe. Okay.
Okay. If we are voting on these constitutional
If we are voting on these constitutional amendments, if we are interpreting them
amendments, if we are interpreting them and our interpretation becomes
and our interpretation becomes absolutely let's say a 180 from what the
absolutely let's say a 180 from what the original intent of the authors of that
original intent of the authors of that document is,
document is, are you in favor of that?
are you in favor of that? I guess depends on the issue.
I guess depends on the issue. Okay. I would say no matter what.
Okay. I would say no matter what. So for example, take the second
So for example, take the second amendment which we kind of danced
amendment which we kind of danced around. It's not been but come up here
around. It's not been but come up here and there. You know the debate about the
and there. You know the debate about the second amendment is the fundamental
second amendment is the fundamental debate is one side says it's it's
debate is one side says it's it's limited and the other side said no no
limited and the other side said no no what they meant was the militias. They
what they meant was the militias. They didn't and they and they had musketss.
didn't and they and they had musketss. They didn't mean AR-15s, right? So we
They didn't mean AR-15s, right? So we could have that endless debate which I
could have that endless debate which I really don't care for about that. But to
really don't care for about that. But to come back to your point about the
come back to your point about the constitutional principles, the 14th
constitutional principles, the 14th amendment comes along in the 1860s. It's
amendment comes along in the 1860s. It's pretty old. It's not as old as America,
pretty old. It's not as old as America, but it comes along and it's been around
but it comes along and it's been around for 150 years. So if you want to get
for 150 years. So if you want to get away, it was around before 150 million
away, it was around before 150 million Americans.
Americans. And I'm saying it was around before the
And I'm saying it was around before the United States was even created. It's
United States was even created. It's part of ancient English common law. If
part of ancient English common law. If you're born in a place, you're a citizen
you're born in a place, you're a citizen of that place, unless you're a child of
of that place, unless you're a child of a foreign diplomat or on a Native
a foreign diplomat or on a Native American reservation.
American reservation. English English common law did not exist
English English common law did not exist simultaneously as millions of people
simultaneously as millions of people coming across the border in a year.
coming across the border in a year. Just to get to principles, your argument
Just to get to principles, your argument is numbers change everything because
is numbers change everything because we've got so many more people. Not
we've got so many more people. Not solely, but absolutely. Okay.
solely, but absolutely. Okay. The demog the demographics of your
The demog the demographics of your immigration.
immigration. Can I ask you a question? If you got rid
Can I ask you a question? If you got rid of if you got rid of the 14th amendment,
of if you got rid of the 14th amendment, what would be in its place?
what would be in its place? I think a citizenship test would be
I think a citizenship test would be fantastic. I wish um I think we could
fantastic. I wish um I think we could administer it in high school
administer it in high school to everyone or just the immigrants.
to everyone or just the immigrants. No, everybody.
No, everybody. And then if you fail it, you do you
And then if you fail it, you do you denaturalize white American people?
denaturalize white American people? Maybe you can't get a government job.
Maybe you can't get a government job. That dude,
That dude, I I think there's plenty of benefits
I I think there's plenty of benefits that the government offers people that
that the government offers people that you should not be uh able to to receive.
you should not be uh able to to receive. I'll tell you this, right? I I this is
I'll tell you this, right? I I this is this might sound bad and I think
this might sound bad and I think I don't think you people care for me
I don't think you people care for me anyway. So let me say something you
anyway. So let me say something you might not like.
might not like. Nobody would pass it.
Nobody would pass it. If you have a high school immigration
If you have a high school immigration citizenship test for everyone
citizenship test for everyone I think people will take citizenship
I think people will take citizenship more serious.
more serious. The immigrant kids are going to
The immigrant kids are going to outperform the white kids and you might
outperform the white kids and you might actually end up denaturalizing some of
actually end up denaturalizing some of the white kids and then people here will
the white kids and then people here will be really upset
be really upset and well hold on and and I like to be
and well hold on and and I like to be consistent about this. That's possible.
consistent about this. That's possible. But what I think it would do is it would
But what I think it would do is it would give everybody a larger sense of the
give everybody a larger sense of the importance of citizenship.
importance of citizenship. So you would say no one born in this
So you would say no one born in this country is a citizen. No one would
country is a citizen. No one would automatically no. Automatically no. I
automatically no. Automatically no. I think I think we could extend that. You
think I think we could extend that. You know, people who have a heritage in the
know, people who have a heritage in the country.
country. Where are they until they pass the test?
Where are they until they pass the test? Undocumented,
Undocumented, I suppose. Yeah. They they are not able
I suppose. Yeah. They they are not able to receive government benefits. They're
to receive government benefits. They're not able to receive government benefits.
not able to receive government benefits. They're not able to apply for these jobs
They're not able to apply for these jobs that
that are citizens.
are citizens. Okay. Well, hold on. This we're talking
Okay. Well, hold on. This we're talking here about the way that we would
here about the way that we would implement it. I'm
implement it. I'm pretty important. If you're trying to
pretty important. If you're trying to get rid of the 14th amendment, I'm going
get rid of the 14th amendment, I'm going to ask about the practicalities of it
to ask about the practicalities of it and Trump's doing it right.
and Trump's doing it right. Hold on. And I'm not going to be able to
Hold on. And I'm not going to be able to explain it to you in 10 minutes. But
explain it to you in 10 minutes. But what I can explain to you is that right
what I can explain to you is that right now in this country, we have a crisis of
now in this country, we have a crisis of people not Hold on. We're not
people not Hold on. We're not understanding what citizenship is. The
understanding what citizenship is. The way that you've referred to citizenship
way that you've referred to citizenship makes everybody who hasn't come to the
makes everybody who hasn't come to the United States an undocumented American
United States an undocumented American citizen until the time they come over
citizen until the time they come over here.
here. That's how a lot of countries are,
That's how a lot of countries are, right? You know that you know that
right? You know that you know that birthight citizenship is operated by
birthight citizenship is operated by multiple n democracies around the world.
multiple n democracies around the world. I know Trump lies and says we're the
I know Trump lies and says we're the only country that does it. He lies.
only country that does it. He lies. That's not true. Multiple countries.
That's not true. Multiple countries. You think it ought to be that way? Do
You think it ought to be that way? Do you think everybody in the world is an
you think everybody in the world is an undocumented American?
undocumented American? Hold on. Well, or undocumented Canadian
Hold on. Well, or undocumented Canadian or undocumented Brit, right? Or
or undocumented Brit, right? Or undocumented.
undocumented. Sure. Well, I'm an American, so I say
Sure. Well, I'm an American, so I say America. But yeah,
America. But yeah, but I'm saying, right, the principle is
but I'm saying, right, the principle is you immigrate. We have free movement
you immigrate. We have free movement people. I support free movement of
people. I support free movement of people around the world.
people around the world. But do you believe they're all
But do you believe they're all Are you Kim Jong-un? You think people
Are you Kim Jong-un? You think people should only stay in one country and
should only stay in one country and never leave and be blocked from leaving
never leave and be blocked from leaving their country? That's a very illiberal
their country? That's a very illiberal and conservative position.
and conservative position. I think there's a big libertarian big
I think there's a big libertarian big there's big room to move between being
there's big room to move between being Kim Jong-un and saying that
Kim Jong-un and saying that in practical terms if you I gave one
in practical terms if you I gave one side. I want to give the other. There's
side. I want to give the other. There's a big room to move between being Kim
a big room to move between being Kim Jong-un and saying that everybody in the
Jong-un and saying that everybody in the world is an American. They're just not
world is an American. They're just not on our soil yet. I think being an
on our soil yet. I think being an American that's a ridiculous statement,
American that's a ridiculous statement, right? Because everyone in the world is
right? Because everyone in the world is not heading to the United States of
not heading to the United States of America. Yeah. In fact, right now
America. Yeah. In fact, right now numbers of people coming in and
numbers of people coming in and dropping.
dropping. But the idea that you are supporting is
But the idea that you are supporting is that the moment you come to this soil
that the moment you come to this soil and that you're born here, you become an
and that you're born here, you become an American. And I
American. And I So I'm not saying the moment you come to
So I'm not saying the moment you come to this soil, you become an American. I
this soil, you become an American. I didn't. I had to do the test, right? I
didn't. I had to do the test, right? I had to do the naturalization process
had to do the naturalization process which is guaranteed by the 14th
which is guaranteed by the 14th amendment. But the 14th amendment also
amendment. But the 14th amendment also says if you're born here then you
says if you're born here then you automatically get it. And I'm not saying
automatically get it. And I'm not saying I think the problem is a hill I'm gonna
I think the problem is a hill I'm gonna die on.
die on. The problem we have
The problem we have instead we don't appreciate citizenship.
instead we don't appreciate citizenship. The problem is that when you talk about
The problem is that when you talk about immigration like we did before when we
immigration like we did before when we talked about everything before what were
talked about everything before what were we talking about? We were talking about
we talking about? We were talking about products. We weren't talking about
products. We weren't talking about practices or perceptions which is really
practices or perceptions which is really what immigration is about.
what immigration is about. Can I agree with you? We don't in this
Can I agree with you? We don't in this country value citizenship enough. I
country value citizenship enough. I think we should encourage people to have
think we should encourage people to have more civics lessons in schools,
more civics lessons in schools, understand American history and
understand American history and constitution much more. Here's what's
constitution much more. Here's what's the irony is I'm sitting in a room today
the irony is I'm sitting in a room today where I've met a bunch of people
where I've met a bunch of people claiming to be Native Americans who hate
claiming to be Native Americans who hate everything America stood for for
everything America stood for for centuries.
centuries. I think they stand much closer to the
I think they stand much closer to the America that we originally had. And I
America that we originally had. And I think that's a big disagree if there had
think that's a big disagree if there had any clue what that was like. And you
any clue what that was like. And you know things about that America,
know things about that America, but you've agreed to dismantling that
but you've agreed to dismantling that America as long as it's legal.
America as long as it's legal. You have. You're the person who came
You have. You're the person who came here and made your argument
here and made your argument taking away an amendment of the
taking away an amendment of the Constitution. I didn't. I said keep the
Constitution. I didn't. I said keep the Second Amendment.
Second Amendment. I'm an originalist. I think we should
I'm an originalist. I think we should interpret it the way it was probably
interpret it the way it was probably originally interpreted.
originally interpreted. All right, guys. That's time.
All right, guys. That's time. with your coach. Thank you very much,
with your coach. Thank you very much, man. Appreciate it.
man. Appreciate it. I thought it would be an interesting
I thought it would be an interesting exercise in trying to understand what
exercise in trying to understand what genuine farright conservative folks
genuine farright conservative folks think. And it was kind of disturbing to
think. And it was kind of disturbing to see that they think what I thought they
see that they think what I thought they think and they were happy to say it out
think and they were happy to say it out loud. I am disappointed that I had to
loud. I am disappointed that I had to sit across from people who believe in
sit across from people who believe in white genocide, who believe I'm not a
white genocide, who believe I'm not a citizen. Multiple people here said I
citizen. Multiple people here said I should be deported. One of them was even
should be deported. One of them was even the child of immigrants, which I found
the child of immigrants, which I found bizarre. Obviously, we were way
bizarre. Obviously, we were way outclassed. Like we're not uh
outclassed. Like we're not uh professional debaters. I don't think
professional debaters. I don't think anyone in this room was. Maybe one or
anyone in this room was. Maybe one or two people. And clearly Manny, he does
two people. And clearly Manny, he does this for a living, right? He's a
this for a living, right? He's a journalist. So he's really good at what
journalist. So he's really good at what he does.
he does. Hassan was pretty good at, you know,
Hassan was pretty good at, you know, taking cheap shots, trying to like, you
taking cheap shots, trying to like, you know, derail people from their from
know, derail people from their from their arguments, you know, trying to
their arguments, you know, trying to like pit me against, you know, some of
like pit me against, you know, some of the people that wouldn't like people of
the people that wouldn't like people of my color to be in the United States,
my color to be in the United States, which is irrelevant.
which is irrelevant. I think one person said as he walked
I think one person said as he walked off, you'll be the first to go. Uh which
off, you'll be the first to go. Uh which is ominous and racist. I think that was
is ominous and racist. I think that was a disheartening and particularly
a disheartening and particularly discouraging because it just felt like
discouraging because it just felt like it was fitting into a stereotype that
it was fitting into a stereotype that we're trying to fight against, which is
we're trying to fight against, which is like we actually have arguments. We can
like we actually have arguments. We can provide good reason and that rhetoric
provide good reason and that rhetoric just pushes that far away.
just pushes that far away. I am, I guess, a far-right Republican,
I am, I guess, a far-right Republican, but as I learned today, not as far right
but as I learned today, not as far right as I thought I was. You know, someone
as I thought I was. You know, someone gets up and they're just like, "Yeah, I
gets up and they're just like, "Yeah, I mean, I guess I just want to have like
mean, I guess I just want to have like autocracy forever and Christian
autocracy forever and Christian nationalism or just being like, yeah,
nationalism or just being like, yeah, I'm racist." And to me, that's very
I'm racist." And to me, that's very foreign of a concept. While I didn't,
foreign of a concept. While I didn't, you know, disagree with most of the
you know, disagree with most of the people in the circle, it did bother me
people in the circle, it did bother me at times, you know, to see them um say
at times, you know, to see them um say mean things, there's not really a reason
mean things, there's not really a reason to do that. But it also upset me when
to do that. But it also upset me when Medie said, you know, I'm not willing to
Medie said, you know, I'm not willing to debate with those people. Free speech
debate with those people. Free speech doesn't mean you need to give
doesn't mean you need to give credibility or oxygen or a platform to
credibility or oxygen or a platform to people who don't agree in human
people who don't agree in human equality.
equality. I I hear Medy's point about not giving
I I hear Medy's point about not giving them a platform, but the thing is, if
them a platform, but the thing is, if you stop giving them a platform, they
you stop giving them a platform, they don't just go away and change their
don't just go away and change their mind. And then you tell the rest of
mind. And then you tell the rest of society, no one exists who thinks like
society, no one exists who thinks like that. And that's not true.
that. And that's not true. I do like to debate people, even people
I do like to debate people, even people I disagree with. I try and avoid bad
I disagree with. I try and avoid bad faith folks. I think some of the folks
faith folks. I think some of the folks today were bad faith. You know, I'm
today were bad faith. You know, I'm anti-conservative, right? I don't
anti-conservative, right? I don't support conservative views on taxation.
support conservative views on taxation. I don't support conservative views on
I don't support conservative views on immigration. But the people here today
immigration. But the people here today were way beyond conservatives. This is
were way beyond conservatives. This is open authoritarianism. And this is what
open authoritarianism. And this is what is being normalized and mainstreamed in
is being normalized and mainstreamed in our country by people in power, by the
our country by people in power, by the media, by people who don't know any
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