The content discusses a viral video exposing alleged fraud within Minnesota's childcare system, its significant reach amplified by public figures, and the broader implications for conservative media, intellectual discourse, and societal trust in government.
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5 minutes and 56 seconds. Channel 5,
>> My video on the expose of the fraud in
Minnesota is the most viewed video ever
by a creator longer than 10 minutes than
anybody other than the name of Mr. Beast.
Beast.
>> The population some insight.
>> Sorry. Wait, that
there's literally
it's it it's 3.6 million views. That's not
not
what Okay.
Oh, does does he mean Twitter views? The
one the the completely illegitimate view
counter that you like you just scroll
past it? the one where it would get
boosted because every sing like a ton of
people are dunking on it and like
everyone like the the the every admin
state they're all the the branches are
all quote tweeting it and constantly
regurgitating it over and over and over
again. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha.
>> Um altogether it did around 500 million views.
views.
>> Who do you think were the main people
who signal boosted the video and brought
it into that true viral orbit?
>> Elon Musk who shared the shared the
video. JD Vance, he shared the video.
You had the attorney general, but she
actually didn't share it. She reacted to
the video a few days later. Literally,
quite frankly, every account on X saw
that video instantaneously. Uh, Health
and Human Services, they froze all
funding to Childcare Inside of
Minnesota. And then they're asking for
businesses to prove that they are legit
businesses before they give tax dollars
to these businesses that are not really businesses.
businesses.
>> As far as that main center that you
visited, Quality Learing, aka Quality
Learning Center. Yeah,
>> this guy genuinely looks very
unintelligent. Oh, well, that's the only
reason why I I caught on to this.
There's a point at some point in this
enormous video, there is a a
demonstration of extraordinary
illiteracy on his end. Um he he seems
like actually quite slow, like very very
stupid. Um but you can make fun of him
for it as much as you want because a
he's not trying to learn and two he's a
federal agent who works with a fascist
administration to justify authoritarian
crackdowns on non-white populations.
were any kids there in the first place?
>> No. So, that daycare center, it's been
operating fraudulently. It's actually
had over 90 violations over the past few
years. And the day that I went there, I
went there at 11:00 a.m. Their operating
hours are from 2 to 10:00 p.m. They're
now saying, and uh that's actually not legal.
legal.
>> So, you said you went there at 11:00 in
the morning. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> And their operating hours are between 2
and 10:00 p.m. >> allegedly.
>> allegedly.
>> But if that is true, would it have made
sense that you didn't see any kids
there? Yeah, it would have made sense if
I didn't see children there. Either way,
whether I was there when kids were
supposed to be there or not, why are all
the windows boarded up or why all the
windows blacked out? Why is there no
phone number that leads to anywhere?
These businesses are supposed to be
operating to serve children. People are
should be like checking their child
there and their children into these daycarees.
daycarees.
>> I I know this is all like really tired
at this point, but I hope everyone like
you're all aware. Um, it's super super
normal for daycarees to not let people
just stare at children through the
windows. That's like really really
normal because people wouldn't want
strange men staring in through the
windows. It's very normal. It's
literally impossible. Did you see some
of the footage released by CBS Minnesota
affiliate station that showed kids
entering and exiting the facility?
>> Yeah, the one on uh the ABC. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> Yeah. So with that one, that one
received over a million dollars. It's
licensed for 40 children. CBS, I believe
they go in there the day after I had
posted my video. Obviously, they're
going to have children there when
they're getting all this heat.
>> I take my kids here 2:00 to 10. Yeah,
there's a lot of kids inside.
>> And same thing at that daycare. Why are
all the windows blacked out? This is a daycare.
daycare.
>> Why is he still Why is he still
repeating this talking point, man? This
he's been confronted on this one on
mainstream news, too. like every they're
like, "Don't you think it's normal that
a daycare would black out their windows
so people can't just wander up from the
street and stare at children?" He's
like, "Uh, yeah, I guess." And then he
says it cuz he's [ __ ] I know it's
because he's [ __ ] Okay, it's But I
have to ask. I have to ask this. So the
I I think that man, I'm not the first
person to make this point, but I think
it's really worth um [ __ ] how do I make
this point? Okay,
>> we're committing intellectual suicide as
a nation or at least half of us are. The
first wave of what I guess I would call
like modern conservative influencers,
you know, ranging from people like Rush
Limbar or Glenn Beck or or Tucker
Carlson or whatever were essentially
just the same people who have always
been conservative pundits incorporating
their work into new mediums, you know,
but when like if all you eat is trash,
all you're going to get is trash. Since
Trump became the front runner in the
Republican presidential race in 2016,
there has been a race to the bottom. The
truth is, you cannot like what Trump
says unless you're stupid. The vast
majority of the Republican party that
fell in line were aware of the fact that
what they were saying was complete
[ __ ] right? I mean, they've always
lied, but obviously things have gotten
worse. You know, uh Trump doesn't just
lie on like key points or he doesn't
like just lightly misrepresent things or
whatever. Trump just blatantly lies all
the time about insignificant stuff that
you could instantly check him on. Like
he does it all the time. But you all
need to present a clean front, right? So
all of these intelligent Fox News
broadcasters, you know, and I don't
think Glen Beck's a dumb guy. I don't
think that Tucker Carlson's a dumb guy.
I don't think Jesse Waters is a dumb
guy. Even if I mean like despite the way
he acts or whatever, I don't think he's
stupid. All of them understand the new
game. The new game is we just say
whatever we want. You know, I thought
you said Trump wasn't capable of lying.
Sorry. arandizing, saying incorrect
things, whatever you prefer. I think
Trump used to be capable of lying. I
just don't know if he can anymore.
Whatever the case may be, you understand
my point. Um, they all knowingly lied.
But the problem is this guy, Nick
Shirley, this guy is the new gen, new
generation. All right? He is literally 5
years old. Like he was a little zygote
when Trump was first elected. He's a
little baby. And when all you eat is
garbage with nothing moderating it, this
is what you get. I think that Nick
Shirley is the first true example we've
seen of a person as stupid as you would
need to be to regurgitate Republican
propaganda doing the Republican
propaganda. Finally, we have arrived at
one. Not somebody who has to lower
themselves to the intellectual pallet of
the people who consume their product.
Now we have somebody who's speaking at
the level.
You know,
he's 23 years old. This embarrassing.
Yeah, but what do you expect? This is
exactly what a person would be like
intellectually if this is the
environment that their brain was cooked in.
He can be 23. In 5 years he's going to
be 28. In 10 years he's going to be 33.
Right now I'm 31. I'm almost 32. It
doesn't really matter how old he is.
This is the future of the Republican
party. The only reason the Republican
party was able to survive Trump's first
term in a way that it might not Trump's
second was because there were enough
people around who were aware of the fact
that they were all full of [ __ ] They
could still do math. But what's
happening in this administration?
They're literally going after the
Federal Reserve chairman because he did
math and they don't like that he did
math. They they want him to do math
different. Math should be zero. Interest
a bunch of [ __ ] cavemen attacking a
nerd because he knows how to do math
correctly. The anti-intellectualism is
reaching a breaking point. This though
is perfect. Nick Shirley is perfect. He
is the distillation of this like long
process, right? This is what happens.
It's the divide in intelligence between
conservatives and uh uh liberals is only
going to get more and more sharp over time.
time.
uh you know, re-education camps might
stop being like an edgy, tanky Twitter
phrase and might turn into like genuine
humane policy on behalf of future
Democratic administrations. Like it
won't it won't even be like a Fed
posting thing. They'll just be like
these people can't dress themselves. We
need a we need a we need like a
conservative school or something. Like
they're they genuinely cannot function
>> Why can't a lady just give me a paper to
enroll a child?
This door is locked.
>> This facility is licensed for 40 children.
children.
>> Well, I guess maybe. I'm just trying to
think from all perspective and help you
clear up some misconceptions. Yeah. I
mean, I figure like if you're going with
a camera and like three or four dudes,
some of whom are like larger security
looking guys, some had face gators on.
Maybe there's a fear that there's like
something weird going on or it just
seems unfamiliar and they feel like they
don't want to let you in.
>> Yeah, they might feel that fear, but if
they're operating legally, why would
they have anything to fear? And the
neighbors around it said they have not
seen a child there for 8 years. If you
go on Google Maps right now, you can
actually see the images of the daycare
progress over the past few years. And
starting in 2021, the doors boarded up
from the image from Google Maps. So, I
think you'll
>> fascinating. I wonder if anything might
have changed around 2021 that might
cause businesses to board up their windows.
windows.
>> Nope. Can't think of anything.
>> If you show that, it's actually pretty
crazy to see. And then they moved the
building and they cut open a a door on
the back side of the building as well
where they had a quality ling center.
One man's been living there since 2017.
Hasn't seen a seen a single child. And
when I go and post my video on X, a lot
of people were saying, "Well, Nick, you
went during winter break." Well,
actually, I went December 16th. School
was still in session, so kids should
still be going to daycare.
>> I don't want to keep having to repeat
it, but like we we're all we're all
really like basking in the cadence,
right? like he genuinely is not
like it's Yeah, it sounds like he's
actually he's struggling to communicate
even basic ideas. It's it's really again
it's like what I said with um in the Joe
Rogan segment like it's it's humiliating
to me that the long-term health of my
country is at risk due to the arbitrary
whims of these very like unwell people.
You know,
>> the following days after the the video
then goes viral and gets over 100
million views, they have a person come
out and he says, "No, we we're open. I'm
the manager. I'm the son of the owners.
We're open. At that same time,
simultaneously, the lady who's in
charge, the commissioner of children of
Minnesota, says the daycare closed a
week ago.
>> Quality Learning Center, which Brown
says permanently closed last week.
>> While we have questions about some of
the methods that uh were used in the
video, we do take the concerns that the
video raises about fraud very seriously.
>> So, I film my video. Daycare is
allegedly open. Then, a few days later,
the lady says that the daycare was
closed. while the guy is outside telling
people that the daycare is open.
>> I mean, it seems like that learning
center has had a serious history of
violation center. Yes.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Going back,
>> is it still called a re-education camp
of the if it's the first time they're
being educated? That's actually a great question
at that like it's just school, man.
We're just sending your ass to school.
You wasted your first chance
>> to 2020. Yeah. It's literally not a daycare.
daycare.
>> But how could they have violations
related to child care if there was no
kids there?
>> Yeah. The oper the way they're operating
inside of there, they had the
violations, those people are not a they
were operating fraudulently inside of
that daycare.
>> But fraud would mean there's no kids,
but the violations relate to like poor
safety conditions that put the kids in danger.
danger.
>> And so why would they be operating and
why would Minnesota continue to be
giving them millions of dollars? That's
a That's a different. So, there are
kids. That's a different claim.
>> If they're receiving all these violations,
violations,
>> that seems like a really valid question. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Why do you think Minnesota would be
giving a daycare center with so many
violations so much money?
>> Well, that same man at Quality Laring
Center who was saying that they were
open after the commissioner was on a
live stream saying they were closed a
week ago was also partying with the
mayor of Minneapolis.
>> Is the manager of the infamous learning
center in Minneapolis. also one of the
guys that was dancing in the back of
Mayor Jacob Frey's election victory
video. The one that went super viral.
>> I bet you this video right here, this
one, it probably has like 18 million
views on Tik Tok
>> where he thanks his constituents in
>> So, you feel like there's kind of like
some nonprofit industrial complex type
of deal happening? for sure.
>> And the agenda is just for people to
leech off the government and get free stuff.
stuff.
>> 81% of the smallian population inside
Minnesota is living off welfare. And 89%
of the fraud being committed inside
Minnesota is by the smallian population.
>> So what do you think the solution to
something like that is?
>> Go freeze the funding. Each business can
then prove if they are legit. And if
they can't cut the funding and so far,
no business has sent any information to
the HHS showing that they're legit. As
of today, they've had 3 days to do it.
They haven't been able to prove it. They
haven't even tried to make the effort to
show that they're a legit business. Why
the [ __ ] would they need to do that?
>> What the?
>> Uh oh. A a YouTuber made a video on us.
Time for us to submit a bunch of court
documents to the what?
>> It was closed, then it was open, and now
we've confirmed it's closed again.
That's all after the owners recently
rejected allegations of stealing
taxpayer money.
>> Do you trust America and the government
specifically to handle our taxpayer
funds correctly and properly if they
have access to more of them?
>> No, I don't think any of us should. I
mean, just last year alone, over $120
billion dollars were misplaced.
>> So, you have a general distrust in the government.
government.
>> No, I don't have a distrust necessarily
in the government, but do I think we
should trust the government 100%. No.
It's kind of like having faith. Like, do
you want to have faith that God's real?
Yes. When we die, will we for certain
know exactly where we're going? You kind
of walk with faith in a way where you
hope that the people that you elect are
going to work for your best interest. Do
you know for sure?
>> What the [ __ ] is this argument? What the
[ __ ] are you saying?
>> Certainty that the best thing is
happening inside the country every
single time you pay taxes, it's going to
go to the place that needs it? No. But
on that case, do I feel certain that I
know where I'm going to go when I die
because of my faith? Yes. But does that
mean that it's going to actually happen?
Who knows until we pass the other side?
So, and then another thing is we as
Americans, how should we feel
comfortable knowing that there are
daycarees receiving millions of dollars
while some families are paying upwards
of $70,000 a year for their children be
going to daycare?
>> The analogizing between government and
God is so telling. You mean with regard
to like the slave mentality [ __ ] Yeah.
It's so un um uncchristian as well,
right? Like Christ was pretty clear on
the on the distinction, you know, render
unto Caesar, etc., etc. So, this like
Yes. Well, my my belief in the uh
usefulness of government could be
analogized by faith in Christ the
Savior. Really?
That's the framework you're pulling
from? You're not you don't have like an
an internal like metaphysical divide
like ethically speaking between your
conception of the divine and of the of
the material. That's crazy. Your brain
is soup. For what it's worth, he's
Mormon. Yeah. Well, what are you going
to do
>> here? Do you ever hear about the Amy
Bach case?
>> The white lady. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Amy Bach acknowledged the government has
proven fraud among meal sites and
vendors that she
>> The one thing that he knew about her was
that she wasn't Somali
>> sponsored under Feeding Our Future, but
that it was others, not her. If you look
at the probe that began in 2023 as far
as like COVID era, you know, scamming
and different types of fraud, there's
been over like 60 convictions and
millions seized from the fraudsters who
took the money away. But but you feel
like the state hasn't done enough.
>> Well, Tim Watson said they've been
stopping to fight fraud since 2019, 206,
and they're still having millions of
dollars being stolen, billions of dollars.
dollars.
>> Breaking political news out of
>> I don't really know how we're supposed
to engage with this kind of rhetoric
from the right when Trump engages every
day in the most open, blatant fraud
imaginable, like like Trump Jr.'s uh Don Jr.'s
Jr.'s
uh uh company getting a $200 million no
bid contract just a couple of days ago.
Um there's so there's so much obvious
open corruption happening dayto-day. We
all know they don't care about
corruption on principle. They just hate
black people. It's just like
I don't know. I'm imagining having a
conversation with this guy, but I don't
really think it would go anywhere.
Minnesota Governor Tim Walls, who of
course was the Democratic nominee for
vice president in 2024, has ended his
reelection bid for governor. This comes
as pressure has been growing around this
widening welfare fraud scandal.
>> We've got conspiracy theorist right-wing
YouTubers breaking into our daycarees
demanding access to our children. So,
I've decided to step out of this race
and I'll let others worry about the
election while I focus on the work
that's in front of me for the next year.
>> I have quite literally saved America
millions of dollars. That's why you saw
the mainstream media attack me
instantaneously after I exposed >> instantaneously
>> instantaneously
>> $100 million in fraud. Why would they
not go investigate the fraud? Why would
they investigate the person who
investigated the fraud?
>> Where does that $100 million figure come
from specifically?
>> Yeah. You had all the daycarees. With
the daycarees alone, you had millions of
dollars in fraud. And then inside of the
home healthcare businesses, they were
warehouse styled and industrialized
buildings where you had 14 of the same
healthcare companies all working within
the building and they could not even
give you a rate. And we know how
expensive healthcare is and they're
giving these companies millions of
dollars. And the man David who's in my
video, he's the one who has the
statistics and has the numbers on how
much these businesses were operating. It
is far worse than anybody can imagine.
You heard it's 7 to 10 billion and maybe
more. And now the numbers have been revised.
revised.
>> This is Nick Shirley talking about those
mainstream media. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen
this one. This one's This one's actually
an Alzheimer.
>> They came after me. They came after my
family. They doxed They doxed my entire family.
family.
>> How did they come after you? Be specific.
specific.
>> Well, they tried to come after me. They
tried to debunk all my my whole entire
story. They then
>> who's they
>> the all the news
>> would you just get more specific CNN who
within CNN?
>> Yes. Um
>> who's the reporter?
>> I don't even know her name. >> Uh
>> Uh
put out there publicly that they think
it's more like 8 billion.
>> How did you come into contact with David?
David?
>> He just messaged me on Instagram and he
said, "Nick, I have the information
about the fraud taking place here inside
Minnesota. I've been looking into it for
years. I have somebody from inside the
capital who has given me the numbers of
CCAP funding. I've been trying for years
to expose this fraud. Nobody will listen
to me. Please give me a call.
>> Has he shown you that data?
>> Yeah, that's that's what's inside the
video. When you see the video and the
screenshots of the CCAP funding, that's
all straight from the capital of Minnesota.
Minnesota.
>> So, who is David's source?
>> David's source? He has somebody inside
the capital.
>> And you don't know.
>> And that's public information as well.
>> Who is it?
>> Who is the person's name? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The lady's name. I did not work with
her. However, the information that was
provided, I can't tell you her name
right now, but I could find on X because
But she's also inside the government
there inside Minnesota.
>> But you you like fact checked all that
and you looked it all up.
>> Yeah, David, all those numbers are
straight from the capital.
>> So, a couple days ago, Minnesota State
Representative Lisa Demouth said that
her Republican caucus had been quote
working with you ahead of your coverage.
How do you respond to that?
>> Yeah, I had no idea who she was. Our
caucus has been working to expose fraud
for years, including working with Nick Shirley.
Shirley.
>> Minnesota House GOP leaders say they
provided the YouTuber with information
in the now viral video.
>> He's such a [ __ ] federal agent, man.
God, I wish there were there were um
I wish there were charges that you could
file against someone for this kind of
like collaborationist
dishonesty. Remember when Remember when
the um the Trump administration hooked
Every single person you see right here
are prisoners here inside of El
Salvador, but they are now being used to
help rebuild and reshape the entire
country. Each person you see right now
here has a sewing machine and they are
making the clothes for schools,
hospitals, and for they themselves. All
the clothes that they're wearing right
now have been made here inside uh this
factory. There are over 2,000.
>> It's it's a slave labor plant uh from a
bunch of people who have not even been
given a formal trial. They've just been
seized and thrown in there. And he got
inside this like mega prison. How the
[ __ ] did he get in there? He's he's a
agent of the federal government.
It's not a joke. Like he is he's he has
contacts within the Trump admin. They
facilitate. They they just said it right
here. like he worked with the state
Minnesota state Republicans. Um they
they probably gave him a hit list of of
places they wanted him to go after,
specifically Somali to support the Trump
administration. This whole thing was set
up in advance. Trump wanted another big
ice surge because it had failed in
Chicago. It had failed in Los Angeles.
So he wanted some kind of like
pre-existing thing that would implicate
non-white people, something to justify
it. So, uh, the state, you know,
Minnesota state Republicans were like
needed a guy to be the insider, um, who
would blow the lid off this big
conspiracy, which would then prompt the
Trump administration to go in. He goes
in there and wow, crazy, he puts his
video out and every single Republican in
the universe takes notice of it and
quote tweets it and spreads a bunch of
misin. And then, wow, crazy, the federal
government deploys the largest ICE
the whole thing, man. From the beginning.
beginning.
>> Like she's just clout chasing.
>> Yeah, that's what I literally put in the
reply in the tweet. Her campaign freaked
out when I when I tweeted that. That's
the lady who I was referring to earlier
in this interview. So, her staff was the
people that David had received
information from because David reached
out and she works inside the government.
So, she did actually a good job by doing
what she's supposed to do by serving the
people and giving that information.
>> Yeah. It says that Harry Nisa, a
Republican representative who's a
staffer for her, was the one who gave
the intel to David. Yeah, that probably
sounds about right. But good on her for
actually caring about about fraud.
Fraud's been taking place for years.
>> And it's really affected the city on
that big of a level to the point where
people like David are feeling it.
>> Yeah, cuz what they knew is Minnesota is
not Minnesota anymore.
>> As far as immigration goes,
>> immigration goes, fraud. They just
released a new thing where they're
giving people 20 week leaves for work
leaves and they've also raised property
taxes. Meanwhile, you have billions of
dollars, quite frankly, literally
billions of dollars over the past few
years going to fraud. It's not a
hyperbole. It's fact. They've government
has shown that upwards of9 billion
dollars has gone to fraud. I would vote
for anybody but Tim Walls inside that
state of Minnesota.
>> Yeah, definitely. I'm glad you cleared
that up because, you know, it's like the
same reason that people lost trust in
traditional media is because they felt
like there was no barrier between the
establishment and, you know, corporate
news pundits and they felt like CNN was
an arm of the Democratic party and then
Fox was an arm of the conservative wing.
So the fear now that I've thought about
before and I'm not saying this is
happening. It will probably take like 5
to 10 years is that somehow the
political powers at be figure out how to
use the independent creator economy like
on a sleeper cell level to do their
bidding for them.
>> Yeah, that could happen like within
>> Do you think Andrew is a good
interviewer? Yeah. Oh, for sure. He's
100% like super good at what he does. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> Influencer contracts and stuff like that.
that.
>> Yeah. You saw the DNC do that. All the
people are talking that are out talking
against me. A lot of them have cut
checks from the DNC
>> through like a paid influencer program.
>> Yeah. And it's open. It's public.
>> Would you ever agree to something like that?
that?
>> No. Never.
>> Hell yeah.
>> Like, why would I?
>> He He He's a agent of the He's a Fed.
Also, um the the fact that the Trump
administration pays money directly to
influencers to rep them is well known.
Um it's been the case for a while. How
fat are the DNC checks? Nowhere near as
fat as the Republican checks, man. Not
even clo, dude. Tim [ __ ] Tim Walls
was getting a quarter million dollars a
month. Was it a quarter million dollars
a month for like one video a week on
some separate channel? The amount of
money that are that's circling around
over there is orders of magnitude
uh more than what we have. Did I say Tim
Walls? Tim Pool. They were just talking
about Tim Walls. I'm saying Tim Pool.
>> I don't need it. I make enough money
doing my videos off YouTube and the
people that support me like why would I
ever turn against their best interest?
And you mentioned that the mainstream
media has kind of been attacking you
since this video did its rounds. What
are some of the things they've said?
Like what's their main point of attack?
>> Yeah. If you listen, every single time
they bring up Nick Shirley on these news
sites or the internet or on their TV,
they'll say right-wing YouTuber, MAGA
YouTuber, conservative. It's never
journalist Nick Shirley. It's right-wing
journalist Nick Shirley. MAGA influencer
Nick Shirley.
>> Yeah. When I interviewed Hunter Biden,
they they did a RV YouTuber was the one
they would use for all like the which
actually sounds pretty cool. Like I'd
want to be that, but I'm not that. And
then like a liberal podcaster and that
in the Atlantic said Gen Z influencer. So
So
>> yeah, it's just like they they're so mad
that we have the opportunity people like
me and you to upload a video and to get
more views than them. Essentially, we're
>> [ __ ] I really think he's authentically
that stupid. I genu I do not think that
it's like all a bit. It's not like the
Tucker Carlson fake uh uh you know
unintelligence bit or whatever. I I
think he's actually like this. It's
crazy, man. Holy [ __ ] I feel myself
getting stupider listening to him. He
doesn't know he's a fed. He does know
that he's a fed. He's just a like many
people who um are are are given like a
leg up get really really defensive when
that's pointed out to them and they live
delusionally believing that that it's
not the case right
>> industry that's why they hate us that's
why they will never give us credit and
so when they see me
>> Andrew is really good at building
rapport with [ __ ] mor like he's
really good at at trying to get to their
level he's obviously trying to like open
them up you know
>> doing what I'm doing when they see me
get more views then they will get onto
their website the for the whole entire
year on one single video. Yeah, it's
going to make a lot of people mad.
>> So-called evidence comes from a man who
has posted anti-Muslim and
anti-immigrant content in the past.
CNN's Whitney Wild speaks to the man
behind that video and takes a look at
his claims.
>> We're from CNN. Can we talk to you? This
is mega YouTuber Nick Shirley.
>> Yeah. So, going back to the first time
we met. So, what do you remember about
that that first interaction? I had just
started making YouTube videos again and
I was all by myself. We were going to
You were going to Afest. So was I. I was
going to interview people about what's
happening here inside the country and I
thought I had no idea exactly what I was
walking into. I just would knew there
was going to be a lot of people to
interview about what was happening
inside the country. I thought it was
like called America Fest. So I had no
idea what Turning Point was. I had no
idea who Charlie Kirk was at that time.
It was funny because I'd watched you
before on All Gas, No Brakes and you
were always in that beige suit just
moving around and doing your videos and
so I was like stoked to see you. It was
great meeting you the first time.
>> I remember I first saw you and I you
were setting up a tripod and I was like
yo, what should I do? And you told me
you were like you should go cover the
border. And I told you I was like I want
to go to Ngali to cover it and you were
like no you should go to Lukeville. So
you were the one who actually sent me in
the right direction to do this.
>> Yeah. You actually said hey can I get
that information? I'd love to do
something with you. I sent you the
information then ghosted me right after that.
that.
>> Well, now the whole world is going to
know that there wouldn't have been a
border video without my guy Nick right here.
here.
>> It's the truth.
>> It's the truth. Was that So, you said
you had just started making videos in in
2023, but had you done interviews before that?
that?
>> Yeah. So, I had actually started I've
been doing YouTube since 2017. I was a
sophomore in high school. I started just
wanting to have fun with my friends and
I started watching YouTubers and I saw
kind of like the lifestyle they lived
and I was like, "Oh, I'm fun. I I like
to have fun." I
>> Yeah. Yeah. God, man. It's always the
same [ __ ] story with these people. It
was always lifestyle motivated. He
started out posting slot videos.
Remember, we took a look at his channel
from the beginning. His initial video,
it's it's the right-wing bent is just a
means to an end.
Like he really is just a useful idiot.
He he sees people with money and freedom
and he's like, "Oh, I want that." So he
just like, you know, algorithm slop,
whatever gets the views in. And it turns
out the lowest bar for content that you
can possibly meet besides like Coco
Melon, you know, Elsa Spider-Man gate
[ __ ] is conservative political slot.
Like it's it's perfect. The the audience
is completely undifferentiating. They're
very stupid. And if you play your cards
right, you can get the entire federal
government directing attention to your
videos. You know, it's perfect.
>> I'm creative. I can be entertaining. I I
could do YouTube. Like a lot of us think
when we're in high school, like how many
times how many discussions have you had
with your friends where you're just
like, "Bro, that could be us."
>> You know, most YouTubers wouldn't come
in here and capture this cuz of
political stuff. You know what? I don't
care. We're out here, BABY. LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE.
SUBSCRIBE.
>> LET'S GO.
>> THAT'S It's perfect. It's perfect. It's
It's perfect. Perfect. It's flawless.
Picture perfect, man. That's why the
opening of this interview is him
bragging about the views in his video.
the highest view count on Twitter of any
more than 10-minute video on a platform
where nobody posts videos that long. Uh,
and also the entire federal government
rebroadcasted it, you know, thus
demonstrating it was not authentic
interest, but rather manufactured
political interests that drove those
view counts.
>> Back to the young Nick Shirley, where'd
you grow up?
>> Yeah. The mainstream media hates me for
telling the truth. They hate that they
see that my my my Twitter video gets
that many views cuz they they know their
time is done.
>> Yeah. So, I was born here in Utah,
spending a lot of time with my family,
friends, playing football, basketball,
soccer, track, you name it. Sports was
my entire life when I was younger.
>> True American life.
>> Yeah, true American life. Going to
church, getting decent grades, having
fun, hanging out with friends, riding
your bike around.
>> And you said the church, what kind of church?
church?
>> Yeah, so member of the Church of Jesus
Christ Latterday Saints.
>> Is that the same thing as Mormons?
>> Yeah, but we don't call ourselves
Mormons now
>> because of South Park.
>> No, it's just uh we're not Mormon. We
don't follow Mormon. We follow Jesus
Christ. So, we actually want people to
refer to us and know us as members of
the Church of Jesus Christ.
>> So, Joseph Smith is not a prophet.
>> No, he's a prophet
>> in addition to Jesus.
>> Jesus is a savior. >> Oh,
>> Oh,
>> he's also a prophet, but
>> they they are heretics, by the way, or
blasphemers, whatever you prefer. Like,
Mormons are barely Christians. Um,
they're uh they're they're like Yeah.
the the the current like synthesis
between Mormonism and like mainstream
Republican Christianity is actually
pretty new. Keep in mind it wasn't that
long ago that Protestants and Catholics
legitimately did not get along in this
country. Certainly not Mormons. Now it
doesn't matter because everybody is
agnostic anyway. Um religion is just
like a virtue signal. It's like a pin
that you can put on your chest. Being
religious basically just means you're
reactionary for a lot of people. It's
just a cultural signifier that has
nothing to do with any kind of
metaphysical belief. So they, you know,
now Mormons get along just fine. Charlie
Kirk was, he he was talking about this
right before he got kerked in the in the
neck, you know. Um there was that Mormon
kid who who came up and was like because
he was in he was in Salt Lake City. The
Mormon kid was like, "Do you think that
the uh the Mormons and and and trads can
be based together against wokeness or
whatever the was stupid kids questions,
you know, but it would not have been
that it's not that long ago where the
idea of Mormons and other Christians
getting along was just was a lot more
tentative. You know,
>> also our savior. He's your savior. He's
my savior. He's everybody's savior."
>> Thank you. So, what do you think is the
main thing people get wrong about LDS?
>> We're Christians. We're we're just
people who love God and love Jesus. And
uh yeah, we do follow higher standards.
No drinking, no smoking, no sex before
marriage, go to church on Sunday, follow
the Ten Commandments. Follow the Bible
to we follow the Bible.
>> One of your earliest videos that you now
deleted was about some of those loopholes.
loopholes.
>> Oh yes, about soaking.
>> Have you ever thought about soaking here
at BYU? >> No.
>> No.
>> Cuz there's a lot of misconceptions.
>> God, they're such [ __ ] freaks.
>> That that's that's not right. Soaking is
not right. Is it real though? I
interviewed people at BYU and they might
have said it was. Oh,
>> so you think it counts?
>> Yeah. Oh, 100%. 100%.
100%.
>> Well, the rumors are true. Kids here at
BYU actually do soak.
>> They soak and they hump.
>> Definitely. Especially
>> that's like my biggest advantage that I
don't really have many vices. Whether it
be pornography, whether it be alcohol,
whether it be cigarettes, whether it be
vapes, whether it be nicotine, that
stuff doesn't net me.
>> And you feel like living a clean life
that way gives you like a journalistic
superpower that allows laser focus so
you can just become a content machine?
>> No. It's kind of what you're doing.
>> Well, that's just who I am.
>> But I mean, I feel like if if you if you
drank and partied and stuff, you might
not be able to make as many videos.
>> Well, if I drank and party, I wouldn't
be able to show up to my job at McDonald's.
McDonald's.
>> You'd probably be able to hold down a
McDonald's job if you had videos.
>> But if you're referring to being on time
and all that stuff and
>> I'm talking about the sheer volume of
content you've been able to produce over
the past year.
>> I'm a highly functioning person.
>> Yeah. Congratulations.
>> Thank you.
>> Aside from the recent stuff, what pieces
>> he actually he does remind me a lot of
Mr. beast in the sense that he doesn't
seem to have much of a personality
himself and he doesn't have much time to
have one, you know. Um he's he's just
like high functioning towards producing
as much slop content as possible.
No soul. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> You've been most proud of since I last
saw you at Turning Point USA?
>> I'd say my Brazil videos were those were
very awesome. Going to the Pavllas. That
was an experience that I can't even
believe favllas are real after going
there cuz I came this close to dying in
the bottom of a destroyed house on the
top of Rio's biggest favlla.
>> When you say close to dying like there
was a gun in your face.
>> Yes. And if I didn't pay the man I would
have died.
>> You think so? >> 100%.
>> 100%.
>> Oh wow. Super super fitting though that
like this guy would go to Brazil and his
content wouldn't be about the immense
beauty and potential and promise of that
wonderful nation, but rather like did
you know there are scary black people
here? Did you know there's scary black
people crime? It's it it really it's
like the the difference between um [ __ ]
uh what's that guy Olive Money the guy
who does the fake AI thumbnails where
Portland is being overrun by a swarm of
black people.
Oliviera. Thank you, Oliviera. That guy.
It's like that guy versus speed, you
know? Like speed will go to a country
with problems and try to highlight its
best. But most slop YouTubers just try
to, you know, farm views off of
>> That guy, after I interviewed him, he
got beat up by the gang leader and
kicked out of the FLLA for letting me
interview him. some other unknown or
perhaps known by some Nick Shirley Lores
that you've met deceased rapper YBC duel.
duel.
>> Yes, I did meet him. It was Brian Buckingham.
Buckingham. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> I had no idea who he was.
>> Special guest right here.
>> Oh, we got a special guest though. Let's
talk to this Nick Shirley from Salt Lake
City, Utah. The Latter-day Saints. The
the the Mormons. You ever heard of the
Mormons? This is the first Mormon, the
first Church of Latter Day Saint member
ever to be out here in Philly like this.
Just like that. Just like that. Feet on
land. Look at his sneaks though.
>> Yeah. So that was an equally I would say
or similarly dangerous.
God, I [ __ ] hate these people, man.
>> The America hoods are about just as
dangerous as the FLLAS. For instance,
Chicago, you have armed militias walking
around Chicago as well. Same within
Philly. Think about how many young
people are dying because of gang
violence. Like I loved your video you
did in Baltimore about them kind of
combating that and showing that like
community really can make a difference
and people really need to be looking out.
out.
>> It's interesting like Andrew did a video
really humanizing the victims of gun
violence um and getting their
perspective. Whereas Nick Shirley just
did a video where he's like poging out
at like three black guys in oversized
hoodies in a corner and being like,
"Dude, I bet they got a gun. Oh [ __ ]
I'm so close to dying right now."
>> Cuz it's not worth dying for. So going
back to high school, right? So you said
that after high school you went on a
mission trip, right? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Where too?
>> Chile Santiago.
>> Is that where you developed fluent Spanish?
Spanish?
>> Yeah, I actually was fluent Spanish when
I was younger. When I was here in Utah,
when I was growing up, I was in a
Spanish margin program from kindergarten
to fourth grade.
>> He treats it like a zoo. They all do.
All of those types of YouTubers, they
treat it like a zoo. The for for them,
the the point of videos like that is to
reaffirm their belief that the world is
a scary place and that they were lucky
to have been born white around white
people and that we need to restrict
immigration and tighten up our um our
security and our policing and so on to
keep our countries from being like that.
They can, and this is important to
understand, they literally cannot
understand a better world. They don't
envision one. They don't want to
envision one. It's not of interest to
them. What they see the world as is a
object lesson on what to avoid. They're
motivated entirely by fear. But fear
does not direct a person to improve
themselves. Not at all. It sometimes can
be directed to prevent what is perceived
as um worsening, you know, like you want
to avoid the bad outcome, not really
strive to the good outcome. So their
their view of the world which is
informed over and over again by stuff
like this um it's it's just the the
spectacle of the favlla in in Brazil or
whatever else Philadelphia Chicago it's
to reaffirm over and over fear the black
that's it's seriously there are
videos with tens of millions of views.
This is the lesson over and over and
over again. Black people are scary.
Here's a black guy in a balaclava with a
hood. Here's a guy with a hoodie. This
guy looks scary. This guy looks scary.
you know, that's it. That's the only
reason they like them. You know, Tyler
Olivia is is is one of the most I I
think prominent people who who
represents this, but there are so many
of them. So so so many of them and it's
sickening really and it should be a
crime and these people should be in
jail. These people only process fear
because they are like animals. It's the
only fear is a very anim animalistic
emotion. It's it can be experienced by
even insects. Uh it's uh it's it's uh
like the the most basic possible limbic
nervous system neural response to
perceived danger, you know, but it's the
only thing these people.
>> Spoke Spanish fluently. Moved to
Washington, similar to you. Moved up to
Seattle area. I didn't practice my
Spanish anymore. I lost it. Decided to
go on this mission thing for our church
and they sent me to Chile Santiago and I
learned Spanish again.
>> What's the purpose of a mission trip?
Yeah, you're there to go share the
gospel, the restored gospel of Jesus
Christ and to teach people about Jesus
and give them the opportunity to come
into Christ and if they want to follow
or if you just want to teach them about
Jesus, that's all you're supposed to do.
>> At what point did you start to really
take political interviewing seriously
and why did you dive into that realm?
Well, I think uh when I started seeing
people get trafficked into the United
States from the border and started
seeing mass corruption with inside the
government, I just like couldn't believe
that I met somebody at the border. She
gives me her WhatsApp and the next day
she texts me and she's in New York City.
I was
>> I struggle to hate it because he's
probably mentally challenged. All
conservatives are mentally challenged.
You should hate them anyway. No, you
should hate them because of it.
>> How is this happening? I mean, how are
people just being trafficked around the
country? How are little kids just coming
over here? How's there a 15-year-old
girl, I think she was 17 year old girl
from Dominican Republic all by herself?
How are people doing this? And how's the
government enabling this to happen? I
remember going to the border for the
first time and I saw migrants coming
over the border. I'm like, "Oh my gosh,
what's going on?" Like, shouldn't they
be running away? Wasn't Governor Abbott
the one transporting people from the
Texas border to New York City? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> So, you feel like there was
mismanagement of the border on a
executive Biden level and a state level?
>> Yeah. And I think like Governor Abbott,
that was his way of like saying like f
you to the to the sanctuary cities and
for the Democrats.
>> Interesting how uh mismanagement uh from
Abbott and like illegal trafficking of
um undocumented immigrants, illegal,
which he was never punished for. Um is
like a haha epic own to the Biden admin,
you know, like oh no, no, no, it's fine
when we perpetuate the problem.
>> Just accepting and letting this happen,
saying, okay, well, we're not going to
deal with it. You guys go ahead and deal
with it. We'll give them bus ticket to
get out of our state or city.
>> So you feel like migrants kind of became
political pawns for the two parties in America.
America.
>> Yeah. Well, we all know like obviously
it was cuz they wanted to vote to fill
the swing states.
>> Yeah, man. All of those undocumented
immigrant votes,
>> fill the big cities. We would have seen
what was going to happen. But thankfully
Trump won.
>> How do you think Trump's doing so far
this term?
>> I think Trump's delivering, especially
on crisises like the border. I think
that's been the major win of this
election. Right now you're not see
illegal migrants coming into the
country. Me and you both did videos at
the loopill border. We spoke with
migrants. That was the most inhumane
thing that I think America has seen in
years as far as letting people be
trafficked into the United States and
then bringing them into the system,
making them rely on the government not
giving them working visas, putting them
inside of shelters, busting them all
around the country. Families are
separated. Thousands of children went
missing. But the government was
literally trafficking children into the
United States. Trafficking people,
incentivizing them to leave their houses
in Colombia, leave their house in in
Ecuador and then to come to the United
States and you're living in a shelter in
New York City.
>> He's not even referring to like a
specific conspiracy theory. He's tying a
>> So, is it true that gangs are inside of
the Rosa Hotel? This is me confronting a
group of Venezuelan migrants who are
potentially dangerous gang members of
the gang train
>> potentially. Here we found a group of
migrants. Now they could be sex
offenders. We're not sure.
>> Inside the Rose Hotel in New York City.
>> Most of these migrants, they came here,
they thought life would be good, and
they end up getting put inside the
shelter and became essentially slaves to
the system in a way where they're
relying on the state to give them money.
They're relying on the state for
housing. They're relying on the state to
give them a work.
>> I hate this disingenuous [ __ ] where
they're like actually we're enslaving
people by giving them the basic
necessities to survive. Like these
people are fleeing the collapsing failed
state of Venezuela trying to come here
for a better life and now their
condition is worse off. Like don't stop
pretending that your concern here is
motivated by uh you know a desire to
help them. Well, this fake [ __ ]
empathy, I hate it so much. It's so
disingenuous. You don't give a [ __ ] You
you gle you laugh gleefully as ICE
brutalizes these people as they die in
prisons as they're raped without any
oversight by border patrol officers. You
do not give a [ __ ] You were cheering
family separation at the border. And
every level you celebrate cruelty, but
you're like, I can't stand it. The the
the intolerable inhumity of giving them
food and housing. Oh,
>> permit to be able to work. Like that's
not right. That's pretty mean if you ask
me. Well, I suppose the reason they
hopped the border in the first place
because the immigration system is so
backed up, right?
>> Well, yeah. There's major issues with
immigration here inside the United
States, but you just can't walk into the
country and think that you're going to
be treated uh just like a law-abiding,
taxpaying citizen.
>> Mhm. Who was filming?
>> I think they want to get treated like
asylum seekers, though, which is their
right under international law.
>> Back then,
>> me, myself, and I. And then I also bring
I bring my mom with me. She's like a
producer on the channel kind of. So they
are coming right now because it is an
opportunity for >> fascinating
>> fascinating
>> for them to come and they are taking
that opportunity and they're coming here
and Nick and I wanted to show because
all of America we just sit at home and
watch this on our TV and get angry with it.
it.
>> It sounds like she's about at the same
cognitive level as her son. Did you guys
process that sentence? Cuz that was a
doozy. That was crazy. that opportunity
now because it is an opportunity for
them to come and they are taking that
opportunity and they're coming here and
Nick and I wanted to show because all of
America we just sit at home and watch
this on our TV and get angry with it and
we wanted to show like what is truly
happening. We have been there.
>> Did she have any kind of career in
content creation prior to you guys
working together? She shut you into
school for
>> It's a phenomenal uh reflection though
of like where this base comes from. Like
a significant number of Americans really
do just have nothing in their lives.
They're dead people walking and they
just sit there and get angry at TV or
like fake [ __ ] they see on the internet.
But if you to if you took away their
anger, they would they would actually
die. Um, you've probably seen like Fox
News brain rot, like what it does to
older people, like they just stop being
it it essentially like creates the
conditions, the symptoms that you would
see for like early onset Alzheimer's
where they get like angry and confused.
This is real. It's not fake. It's real,
right? They just watch the TV all the
time. They get really, really irate.
Their personality shifts. They stop
caring about things they used to care about.
I think social media is worse than Fox,
unfortunately. Well, the the thing is
that social media is opening this uh
this this life path up to younger people
as well. You know, there are people that
do this. It's like a bunch of right-wing
incelss do nothing but consume
interracial pornography all day and get
really, really, really, really mad and
self-hat. It sounds like a joke. It's a
real thing. It's a real thing and it's
not even uncommon. They're obsessed with
it. journalism and to be a broadcast here.
here.
>> Did she have a hand in your decision
coming together?
>> She actually went to school for
journalism and to be a broadcast here.
>> Did she have a hand in your decision to
really like start taking things more
seriously as far as political coverage?
>> No, actually she actually didn't really
believe in like anything I thought
politically, but as you know during like
uh 2020 for instance,
>> what do you two disagree on?
>> I couldn't on my channel I couldn't put
Trump's name in a in a title or
thumbnail without the video being demonetized.
demonetized.
>> That's not true. I was putting videos
out then. That's just not true. Just fake.
fake.
>> And so there was no incentive to
actually create political content in
that time, especially if you were a
smaller creator because you couldn't get
the video to be seen by anybody. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> And so, uh, you couldn't really make
those videos. And then when I did get
back from that mission, I could then,
uh, make videos on politics and the
censorship kind of got lifted because of
Elon Musk buying X.
>> Yeah. the the YouTube demonetization uh
got changed by Elon Musk buying Twitter.
>> People hate on Elon Musk, but they don't
understand like what he actually did by
buying X. Because of him, you're
actually able to post stuff on YouTube
and not have to worry about being being
>> YouTube. Wait, that's actually I thought
that his soup brain had just like
transposed to talking points. Is he
actually crediting Elon for the shift in
Oh my [ __ ] god.
Jesus Christ, dude. I thought I was just
doing it. I just I assumed that he had
just like switched from one talking
point to another.
Holy [ __ ]
I don't know if I can make it much
farther in this, man. This is like I I
I'm going to be real with you guys,
okay? This has come at a great psychic
penalty. I don't want to play [ __ ]
E33. I don't I don't I'm sorry. I don't
I don't I do not want to theory craft
This hurts. It really does. It's
actually like I I hope you all know it's
not like I'm not triumphantly laughing
over here like oh haha the my the
opposition is so stupid. This actually
is like really depressing.
What do you like? There are no solutions
to pulling a country out of this kind of
extensive consideration.
consideration.
I'm sorry. Uh it's [ __ ] crazy, man.
It's like it's you you really have to stop.
No, it it makes my blood boil. Stuff
like this makes my blood boil a lot more
than watching like Jesse Waters or
Tucker Carlson lie openly because I know
that when the wind shifts um they will
fall to the wayside, you know, they they
will they'll fall apart. Like they are
purely motivated by financial gain. So
is he, by the way. He's absolutely a
grifter. You can be a grifter and also
catastrophically stupid. Look at Elon,
right? Elon is also about on this guy's
level intellectually and is also a
massive grifter. Posts neo-Nazi
propaganda every day on Twitter. Um, but
this guy, the fact that this guy was
considered an acceptable vehicle for a
right-wing propaganda wave means, and
they're correct in believing this, the
right-wing believes that this is enough
for their base. Like, you can actually
go this low. You don't need, you know,
uh, prestigious Columbia University
educated, uh, propagandists and pundits,
you know, you don't need people who
were, you know, uh, they they were over
in the Ivy Leagues and now they're
stepping down to curtail their language
to the interests of the common man. You
can just find like an actual [ __ ]
piece of [ __ ] like a like a pile of dog
feces and he'll like that's enough for
them. And they're right. And they're
right. They're completely correct.
This guy seems entirely sincere though.
I just don't think he's capable of
thinking either way. You don't know
enough stupid people. In reality, stupid
people are often also dishonest. Um,
they're just bad at being dishonest like
he is. There are lots and lots and lots
of stupid conniving people. It's really
common. The idea that stupidity and like
naive go hand in hand. Not even remotely
true. In fact, often times stupid people
are more dangerous in their duplicity
because they'll be disingenuous even
when it doesn't benefit them. at least
like intelligent like we we all
conservative pundits are to some degree
or another knowing liars, right? Um but
the more intelligent ones you can see
right through them because their
dishonesty is predictable. This is one
of the reasons why Ben Shapiro isn't
really that popular on the right
anymore. Like he is intelligent. For
sure he is. You know, he has his
moments, but by and large he's a smart
guy. And for that reason, he lies
rationally. And the fact that he lies
rationally means he's really
predictable. And it means that he
doesn't stick his neck out on positions
he doesn't think he can defend, which
makes him, you know, boring. It makes
him boring. And it means that he's not
like following the line on the
administration that well. Meanwhile,
there are like I mean people like this,
right? Is he lying? Is he just stupid?
Who knows? Who cares? He probably
doesn't know or care either. How are you
ever going to figure that out? You know,
it's depressing, man. It really is. It's
the reason why Trump is better at
interviews than JD Vance.
All right, let's just pull up the
[ __ ] clips that I saw.
>> Who do you think are the three most
benevolent billionaires?
>> What do you mean by the word benevolent? >> Just
>> Just
well-intentioned positive billionaires
who you think are creating, you know,
net positive societal progress.
>> Trump, our president,
>> naturally. Yeah, obviously. Of course.
>> Ask me how do you gain credibility and
trust? Well, you say a fact for a fact.
And the fact is that the first thing I
think of when I think about the fact is
what are Somalia's known for? >> Pirating.
>> Pirating.
>> Well, that's in Somalia. There's no
pirates in America.
>> Who's stealing all the money in Minnesota?
Minnesota?
>> Same as a pirate.
>> That is
piracy. So, how do you gain more trust?
Well, don't be afraid to say a fact when
you or an opinion
>> even if I know that I'm dumb.
>> Yes. By not saying anything about the
death of Charlie Kirk as well. I thought
that was pretty messed up in a way. He's
somebody just like me and you who was
making videos, putting on the internet,
and then people literally killed him. I
thought that was
>> I think okay, people often
disingenuously fold Charlie Kirk down to
that like he was just a guy making
content or whatever. I think this is the
first time I've heard it where I
actually believe the person saying it.
Like I think that that's what they think
cuz I think this guy is completely
intellectually vacuous. Like I don't
think this guy is motivated much at all
by partisanship. I think that he is
racist, but he's incidentally racist.
Does that make sense? Like he doesn't
really think about it. He probably
thinks that he probably thinks everyone
is like him. You know, the the thief
believes everyone else steals. Like
everyone like Andrew Callahan, Charlie
Kirk himself, anyone. Everyone is just
trying to make their bag in the same
game and they're just taking different
sides to appeal to whatever they believe
is more financially viable.
kind of messed up of you to not publicly
denounce what happened to Charlie Kirk.
>> I did.
>> I never saw anything on Instagram. I actually
actually
>> What am I supposed to say?
>> You never shared anything.
>> I interviewed the guy who was debating
him while it happened and I mentioned a
bunch of times that it was horrible and
it represented like the one of the worst
pivots in American politics ever.
>> And I didn't even watch the interview
cuz I didn't want to watch that.
>> Well, you should watch it.
want to.
>> Why? It's historically relevant.
>> It is historically relevant. I couldn't
I did lose respect for you when you It
felt like you went silent.
>> Well, you should watch the video cuz I
say some stuff in it.
>> Okay, cool. Do you ever see a world in which
which
>> That was That was a That was really good.
good.
I have to lie or I have to laugh or else
I'll cry. This I I have to I have to
move off this, man. This is
we all have to get a lot more abbleist
now. It's not just him. There are
millions of people who watched his
content and they're like, "Wow, what a
smart young man." JD Vance said he
should get the bullet surprise. Like,
they're really committing to this bit.
We need to get so much more ableist so
quickly. I'm tired of pretending that
conservatism isn't a consequence of
objectively inferior moral and cognitive
um I guess conditions. You know, like
it's like to to an extent everything is
a choice in the sense that we have
control over the way we direct
ourselves, but conservatism is like an
ideological outcropping from some blend
of dishonesty and mental incompetence.
You know, it's it's not a legitimate
position. Entirely illegitimate. I don't
I don't respect it. Not even a little bit.
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