0:01 Hey everybody, welcome back to another
0:03 episode of Negative Influence. As
0:05 always, I am your host Justin Allen and
0:06 today we are joined by the man himself,
0:09 Mr. Jason Cmerfeld of Grainy Days. We're
0:10 going to talk about how Jason approaches
0:12 photography, the YouTube grind, and
0:14 which flavor of Fresa is the best, plus
0:16 whatever else comes up. So, let's get
0:17 into it. [Music]
0:25 >> All right.
0:26 >> What's up, man?
0:28 >> Not much, man. I was worried I wouldn't
0:29 be able to make it today. I was the
0:32 victim of a violent crime last night.
0:33 >> For real, or is that like a joke?
0:35 >> Yeah. No, like No, like for real.
0:36 >> What happened?
0:38 >> We had a weekend getaway for my buddy's
0:39 bachelor party.
0:40 >> Uh, I can already see where this is going.
0:41 going.
0:43 >> No, it's a plot twist. There's no
0:45 alcohol. No alcohol, no drugs involved
0:46 or anything. And
0:48 >> he was snoring last night and the it was
0:50 just three people and the other guy text
0:51 me. I was like, "Man, I wish I would
0:52 have brought earplugs." I was like,
0:53 "Yeah, we should talk to him about
0:55 getting a CPAT machine tomorrow." And
0:57 then he woke up and read the text and
0:59 just pounced on us and tried to strangle
1:01 the other guy. And I've like I'm wearing
1:02 the hat because there's like a giant
1:04 contusion here and that's what this
1:06 scratches from. I'm like
1:07 >> Yeah. So he's in jail and I got to deal
1:09 with the Kent County prosecutor.
1:11 >> Oh my god, dude.
1:12 >> That's intense,
1:14 >> dude. My arm might be broken and I'm
1:15 like, I'm not missing this damn
1:17 interview. I'll go Monday.
1:19 >> Holy [ __ ] man. I I wouldn't blame you
1:20 if you had to like postpone. Dude,
1:24 that's that's intense. Holy crap. I've
1:25 suffered through worse and I was like,
1:26 there's no way in hell I'm missing this
1:28 interview because I've been plotting
1:29 this for a minute.
1:31 >> So, he just got pissed off that you
1:33 suggested he should have a CPAT machine.
1:35 >> He texted to me in the group chat where
1:36 we've all been talking for weeks about
1:39 this bachelor party and he was he was
1:41 under the assumption that it was
1:42 supposed to be like a one-on-one
1:44 conversation and we accidentally texted
1:46 the group chat or something, but
1:48 >> all I know is he was slammed to the
1:50 concrete and the police had like their
1:52 military M4s out. The SWAT team was
1:53 there. It was wild, man.
1:55 >> I don't even know what an M4 is besides
1:56 the Leica one.
1:58 >> Yeah. No, this one's a little bit more extreme.
1:58 extreme.
2:00 >> Just as pricey, too. Probably.
2:02 >> It's probably more. Those things are not
2:02 cheap at all.
2:04 >> Mint plus+, though.
2:06 >> But anyways, I'm here. I'm here. I'm
2:07 very excited about this,
2:09 >> dude. I uh I appreciate it, man. That
2:11 That sounds like quite the ordeal. I
2:13 don't think I It's a good It's a good
2:15 story. It's a good anecdote for like a
2:16 bachelor party kind of thing, right? I
2:18 don't think I've ever been to one that
2:18 crazy before.
2:20 >> No, man. It was boring. We went to the
2:22 museum and then an arcade and didn't
2:24 drink or do anything and then got
2:26 assaulted in the night. So,
2:28 >> it was just a wild turn of events. It's
2:30 not how I expected it to end at all.
2:32 >> Yeah. Well, damn, man. I I hope you're
2:34 okay. I hope you're on like painkillers
2:34 or something at least.
2:36 >> I took a Tylenol. I'll bounce back strong.
2:36 strong.
2:38 >> Okay. All right, man.
2:39 >> But I appreciate you coming on coming
2:40 on. I know you're busy and you're
2:42 probably working on more videos and
2:43 buried in editing right now.
2:45 >> Yeah, sounds like you know the life,
2:47 man. I um I really appreciate you having
2:49 me on, man. I know how much work it is
2:51 to like do a podcast. So, uh, I really
2:53 appreciate you taking the time and so on
2:53 and so forth.
2:54 >> You're one of the first people I wanted
2:56 to have on, but I had to kind of build
2:58 it up a little bit because I'm like, I
2:59 can't get him right away.
3:00 >> You may come to regret that. I don't know.
3:01 know.
3:02 >> Hey, man, something good happens.
3:04 There's always those little clickbay
3:05 titles that I never use and probably should.
3:06 should.
3:07 >> Yeah. Yeah.
3:08 >> So, lately I've been struggling with
3:11 like my intention in photography, and
3:12 I've heard you talking about it a lot
3:15 lately in your videos. How did how did
3:17 you what is your process for being
3:19 intentional with photography? Is it
3:21 something like you set a set of
3:23 guidelines for yourself or is it an
3:25 entire process in and of itself?
3:27 >> Well, I'll tell you how I do it, but I'd
3:29 love to hear more about like how like
3:30 what you're struggling with specifically
3:32 because I'm curious too just artist to
3:34 artist. Um I guess the way I do it, it's
3:37 a constantly like evolving
3:40 thing. You know, initially my way to
3:41 stay intentional was like I used to
3:44 shoot digital and now it's uh shooting
3:45 film was like one way to stay
3:47 intentional because like film costs
3:49 money. Every time you take a photo,
3:51 you're kind of gambling a little bit of
3:52 a little bit of money and that forces
3:55 intention and you know after years and
3:56 years of shooting film, I think it became
3:58 became
4:00 about finding new ways to stay
4:02 intentional. So, like if one camera is
4:04 loaded up with 36 exposures of like
4:05 black and white film, I have to be
4:07 intentional and I kind of have to think
4:09 black and white when I go to shoot that
4:10 camera. Does that make any sense?
4:11 >> Yeah, it does.
4:13 >> Just finding little ways along the the
4:15 road to just kind of like force yourself
4:19 to think directly about what you're
4:20 shooting and how you're going to shoot
4:22 it. And, you know, sometimes it's like,
4:24 oh, I've taken a a photo similar to this
4:26 before in the past and I knew I didn't
4:27 like it. I'm not going to take this
4:29 photo. I'm going to take, you know, five
4:32 steps over this way and try that out
4:33 instead or something like that. It's
4:35 just a bunch of little things. It's not
4:36 I guess I wouldn't say it's like one
4:39 thing that that does it, but I think
4:41 part of growing as an artist is trying
4:43 to find those little things that keep
4:46 you um
4:47 keep you smart about it, I guess. What
4:48 do you What have you been struggling
4:49 with? I'm curious.
4:51 >> I've just been struggling with I don't
4:52 know if it's the intention in and of
4:54 itself that's giving me the issue. It's
4:56 I'll go somewhere planning on this. I'll
4:59 plan ahead and I'll get there.
5:00 >> And if there's somebody else there and I
5:03 have to alter the plan at all, it just
5:04 >> I don't know if it's a patience thing
5:06 where I don't have the patience to wait
5:07 to be intentional. So then I feel like
5:09 I'm rushing myself or I'm in someone's way.
5:10 way.
5:12 >> And it's may it's probably just all
5:14 internal pressure I'm putting on myself
5:16 because of anxiety. But
5:19 >> it's about needing to slow myself down
5:20 to actually be able to focus on those
5:22 things and not worry about outside
5:23 influence, I think.
5:25 >> Oh, interesting. Do you have like an
5:27 example of what you mean exactly? Like
5:28 just showing up to location and
5:29 somebody's already there or something.
5:31 >> Showing up to location, somebody's
5:33 already there or if there's It hasn't
5:34 happened a lot, but if there's another
5:37 photographer there and a lot of
5:39 photographers are awful chatty. >> Yeah.
5:39 >> Yeah.
5:42 >> And that's not part of my pro like I'll
5:44 banter back and forth, but then when I'm
5:45 working on something, I want to be
5:46 working on that.
5:47 >> Yeah, I get that. That's kind of
5:49 interesting you say that. I feel like a
5:51 lot of um a lot of the film
5:52 photographers I met, myself included,
5:56 are very uh introverted, you know, and I
5:58 I kind of know exactly what you mean.
5:59 Yeah. Sometimes I'll show up on
6:01 location, something I think is cool, but
6:03 I get a little like I wouldn't call it
6:06 an anxiety attack, but like just nervous
6:09 pulling out like the film camera first
6:10 of all, but then also like the, you
6:13 know, the digital Sony to record video
6:14 for it. You know, you just start to get
6:16 in your head about it and like I don't
6:17 know, are people going to be weird? Are
6:19 they going to be mad? I'm here. Stuff
6:20 like that. Is that kind of what you're
6:20 talking about?
6:23 >> Especially the locals and rural places,
6:25 which I've seen I've seen you complain
6:28 about. And it's I live in this area. I
6:29 live in a very rural area. And even
6:31 though some people know me, they'll just
6:31 still be like, "Well, what are you
6:32 doing? Why are you doing it?" I'm like,
6:34 "I'm on my property. Why are you
6:35 harassing me?"
6:36 >> Yeah. It gets kind of weird when you
6:37 have to like
6:39 >> explain yourself to people, you know?
6:42 Like it seems to me it seems pretty
6:44 obvious like what you're doing, but
6:45 maybe that's just because we're in the
6:47 world a little bit. you know, you see
6:49 somebody with a camera taking a picture,
6:51 they're just taking a picture there. I
6:53 don't know. I guess there's plenty of
6:56 room for like ulterior motive, but
6:58 yeah, it it is part of the game,
7:01 unfortunately. Um, yeah, I mean, what
7:02 kind of stuff do you like to shoot?
7:04 >> Professionally, I shoot a lot of
7:07 portraits and family stuff, like on the
7:08 digital side of on the digital side of
7:10 things, which is just a way for me to go
7:12 bankrupt by investing in too much film
7:15 stuff. And it's just I like landscape a
7:17 lot, but I want to start introducing
7:19 more film into the professional work.
7:21 >> Oh, interesting. Okay. Has any have any
7:22 of your clients ever requested film? I'm curious.
7:23 curious.
7:26 >> I have had one recently for um there's
7:28 this girl, she wants senior photos done,
7:31 but she's very like old soul and she was
7:33 like, I know you shoot film. My mom told
7:34 me you shoot film. Can you do some film
7:35 photos for my senior portraits? And I
7:37 was like, I'm very interested in that.
7:38 And then she's like, I want to get like
7:40 I want to get like a beehive hairo for
7:42 it. Like the old really tall hairds. I
7:44 was like, I'm sold. I am in.
7:46 >> Yeah, you got to put a really thick like
7:48 uh glam diffusion filter on it or
7:49 something, you know, like those super
7:53 airbrushed looking uh old glam photos.
7:55 >> Get the double exposure for like profile
7:56 looking off to the side.
7:58 >> Oh yeah, dude. That'd be sick. I wonder
8:00 if you could carve out your own little
8:01 niche doing stuff like that nowadays,
8:03 you know? Well, that's what I'm
8:05 wondering because AI is introduced and
8:09 now film photography
8:11 even even prior to the last few years
8:13 like I'm seeing a huge growth spurt in
8:15 film photography lately. People around
8:17 here who were saying they'd never shoot
8:19 film a couple years ago are suddenly
8:21 walking around with Leas and Hasselblads
8:22 and I'm like, "Hang on, you made fun of
8:24 me for shooting my Canon A1. What's
8:25 going on here?"
8:27 >> Yeah, you actually got made fun of for
8:27 it. Just
8:28 >> Oh. Oh, absolutely.
8:31 >> Oh, wow. Wow. bullying against film
8:33 photographers. That's kind of funny. No,
8:36 I know. It's It's been super interesting
8:38 to see the shift, to be honest. Um, do
8:40 you follow Jared Poland at all?
8:41 >> I don't think I do. No,
8:42 >> he's a really good photographer, but uh
8:45 he was, I would say, very anti-film for
8:47 a long time, but just in the past year
8:50 or so, he started shooting um sporting
8:54 events on a 4x5 film with a graphex and
8:58 a ectar lens. Like really impressive
9:00 stuff. like if you're able to do that,
9:03 like you can pretty much shoot anything
9:04 because you're working with like a razor
9:06 thin margin of like focus and stuff. And
9:08 he it seems like he's just totally
9:10 leaned into it. And I thought it was
9:11 just kind of funny to go from like
9:13 anti-film across the board as like a
9:16 digital photographer to like large
9:20 format, super niche lens, you know, and
9:22 take that kind of dive. But I'm I'm all
9:23 for it. I'm here for it. You know,
9:25 >> he just went all in on it right away
9:27 just from shooting the best he could and
9:29 then he's just diving into large format
9:30 and Oh, man.
9:31 >> Do you shoot much large format?
9:32 >> Oh, absolutely not. It scares the [ __ ]
9:34 out of me, man.
9:36 >> What's so scary about it, man? It's the
9:38 same It's the same concept, right?
9:39 >> I know, but it's mostly the price tag
9:40 that's scary about it.
9:43 >> Yeah. Yeah, I know. Is there like a lot
9:46 of um Do you have like a lot of camera
9:48 stores and like places to get film out
9:48 near you?
9:51 >> There's a couple places. Uh there's one
9:52 probably 20 miles away from me, but they
9:55 have a very limited film selection. It's
9:57 usually just the big players in it. You
9:59 can get large format, but they have a
10:02 30% markup on everything they get. And
10:03 if I get anything, it's probably just
10:04 going to be ordered from B&H.
10:07 >> Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate. B&H is
10:09 still kind of the the easiest even for
10:12 like me here in LA. You know, it's on
10:14 the other side of the United States, but
10:16 it's still like pretty competitive
10:18 prices. Unfortunately, I do like uh
10:20 whenever we go on road trips with uh my
10:23 buddy David and Burgett and Caleb, we do
10:26 uh like looking up like these little
10:29 boutique shops that sell like 35
10:30 millimeter film and just popping in and
10:32 just seeing what they got. You never
10:36 know, right? And um we went to one in
10:38 Utah that was literally just like a
10:40 closet in the back of a building, but
10:42 they had like a whole developing lab
10:43 back there and stuff. And I was like,
10:45 "Whoa, it's like no bigger than the room
10:48 I'm in right now." And there was just
10:50 like this uh these two people, a couple
10:52 probably, and they were just developing
10:55 and stuff. And I was like, "Dang, you
10:58 really can just do it from a a closet
11:00 under the, you know, under the stairs or
11:01 whatever, like Harry Potter.
11:02 >> I'm doing it in a bathroom under the
11:03 stairs right now."
11:04 >> Is that right?
11:06 >> Because I do all my own developing. I'm
11:08 too broke for I'm too broke for labs
11:09 right now.
11:10 >> Do you ever get tired of developing on
11:11 your own?
11:13 >> No. I I actually really like the process
11:15 of developing. I'm in the process of
11:17 building a dark room right now, too. So,
11:19 I'm gonna get up to large format eventually.
11:20 eventually.
11:21 >> Yeah, it'll happen. Just give it a
11:21 couple years.
11:23 >> I said I'd never shoot film. Then I said
11:25 I'd never shoot color film. And now I'm
11:27 bulk roll bulk rolling things out of the basement.
11:28 basement.
11:29 >> Yeah. I wonder if it goes the other way,
11:30 too. People who shoot film are like,
11:32 I'll never shoot digital. And then they
11:33 start getting into digital, you know.
11:35 >> You know what? I bet you it has happened.
11:35 happened.
11:38 >> Yeah, probably. They ruined all their
11:39 street cred immediately the minute they
11:41 picked up the minute they picked up like
11:43 a Fuji X100 or something.
11:45 >> Yeah, those cameras are stupid popular, huh?
11:45 huh?
11:47 >> They're stupid pricey for absolutely no reason.
11:48 reason.
11:49 >> Yeah, they look good, man. If they made
11:51 that as a film camera, I'd be all over it.
11:52 it.
11:54 >> They look so good, but the price tag on
11:56 old tech. Holy [ __ ] I'm criticizing the
11:58 price of digital cameras while paying
11:59 ridiculous amounts of money for film
12:00 cameras. I just need to shut the hell up
12:02 is what I need to do. Yeah, you got to
12:04 get them things in order, but you know,
12:05 you're you're on the right track and we
12:08 appreciate that about you. Um,
12:11 you know, my biggest irk with those Fuji
12:13 cameras is that they call those like
12:14 style bodies. They call them rangefinder
12:17 style and it's like it bothered me for
12:18 so long. Like these are not
12:20 rangefinders. Rangefinders are those
12:22 mirrors and stuff showing you the like
12:25 ghost image and stuff. They just call it
12:26 rangefinder style because it kind of
12:30 looks similar and it's like it's made me
12:31 so angry for so long.
12:32 >> Would you have a problem if they said it
12:35 was rangefinder inspired? Just that one
12:37 word of inspired would change it for you?
12:38 you?
12:39 >> I guess I'd be more okay with that. It's
12:41 such a stupid little detail, but I mean
12:43 it's like as photographers we nitpick
12:44 everything, right?
12:45 >> Yeah. I feel like some people need to
12:46 nitpick a little more.
12:48 >> Yeah, I think so.
12:50 >> You nitpick yourself quite a bit.
12:52 >> Yeah. How self-critical are you to the
12:54 point do you give yourself depression or
12:55 are you a healthy amount of self-critical?
12:56 self-critical?
12:57 >> Uh that's something I've definitely been
13:01 asking myself the past few years. Um
13:04 I try to think of it as like healthy. I mean
13:06 mean
13:08 I'd like to say I don't trust any artist
13:10 who doesn't, you know, dislike their
13:13 work. If if I met an artist who thinks
13:14 that they're great and everything they
13:17 do is great, they [ __ ] greatness. like I
13:19 don't trust them,
13:22 you know? It's like every artist kind of
13:25 thinks they can do better and thinks
13:27 like, you know, this is this is a good
13:29 photo, this is a good painting, whatever
13:31 it is, but if I did it again, if I had a
13:33 second chance, I could do it way better,
13:36 you know? And I I think as soon as you
13:37 lose that, you kind of stop growing as
13:40 an artist, probably. So, it's not me
13:42 trying to fake it to pretend like I'm
13:44 still growing as an artist, but it is
13:47 just me being like, well, if I did it again,
13:49 again,
13:50 it would have been obvious how I could
13:53 have made it better. And so, I think to
13:55 people on who watch the videos and
13:57 stuff, it it just comes across as like,
14:00 I hate all my work. It's all [ __ ] Like,
14:01 I've never taken a good photo. Blah blah
14:04 blah, you know? But I I don't know. I
14:05 guess I've been trying to be a little
14:09 bit more positive lately about it, but
14:11 yeah, it it's a tough it's a tough
14:13 battle. I mean, how do you feel about
14:14 your work?
14:15 >> I don't know. I have a lovehate
14:16 relationship with it because sometimes
14:18 I'm on and sometimes I'm way off and it
14:20 seems like I've been way off way off a
14:22 lot more than on lately. It is just I
14:24 think it's part of the motivation and
14:26 the intent thing because I'm burn I'm
14:28 kind of burned out on where I'm shooting
14:30 right now. So, I'm trying to maybe do a
14:31 little road trip somewhere here and
14:34 there to see if spending more money on a
14:35 trip fixes things.
14:38 >> Yeah, I wish there was an easier way. I
14:40 kind of get what you're saying. Yeah, I
14:42 I'm kind of tired of shooting my area,
14:45 too. And um I do find myself being a lot
14:47 more inspired when I go somewhere I
14:49 haven't been before and much more
14:51 excited about the photos and getting
14:52 them back. And when you really nail it
14:54 in a new place you've never been before
14:55 and you get the photo back and you're
14:57 like, "This is perfect." you know,
14:59 that's just the best the best feeling.
15:02 So, I I think that probably would work
15:04 for you. Yeah. I mean, I don't know your
15:06 photographic style or what you do on the
15:08 regular necessarily, but that works for
15:11 me. So, I'm I'm curious if um if it
15:12 works for you.
15:14 >> It's worked for me on vacations before.
15:15 I take a short weekend or weekl long
15:19 trip somewhere. Like in April, we went
15:20 down to Hawking Hills in Ohio. I don't
15:21 know if you've ever heard of it.
15:22 >> I have. Yeah,
15:24 >> I get it. It's Ohio. It's the only cool
15:25 thing in Ohio.
15:28 >> Yeah. Well, you know,
15:30 >> besides Trev. Trev's cool.
15:31 >> You can aim higher. >> Yeah.
15:33 >> Yeah.
15:36 But, uh, that really that's the first
15:39 time I invested a lot of time into color
15:41 film and actually spent time working on
15:43 it. And I felt it really helped me
15:44 improve composition. It helped me
15:47 improve my ability to actually be out in
15:48 the wilderness with nobody around and
15:50 work on things. My family was there, but
15:52 but they're used to waiting for me. And
15:54 it's it's maybe it's just like a
15:56 rejuvenating process where you can use
15:58 something from somewhere else to look at
15:59 the place you're at in a new light. And
16:01 I think that's helped me cuz when I came
16:03 back from there, I started shooting work
16:05 here that I was really excited about and
16:06 thought it was awesome. >> Yeah.
16:07 >> Yeah.
16:09 >> It's kind of just gone downhill a little bit.
16:10 bit.
16:12 >> You felt you felt refreshed coming back
16:14 to your like local community after that. >> Yeah.
16:15 >> Yeah.
16:18 >> Yeah. Interesting.
16:20 Yeah. 100%. Yeah, I can see that. I
16:22 think I've done that too for sure. You
16:24 have you have more appreciation for
16:25 what's around you, I suppose.
16:28 >> And it's trying to apply some of those
16:30 compositions that I was able to find
16:33 down there and apply it to an entirely
16:34 different landscape here because I live
16:37 in a very flat, boring farm community
16:39 and down there it's all just caverns and
16:42 cliffs and waterfalls. And trying to
16:44 find a way to connect those two images
16:46 was a challenge for me that that I
16:46 really like.
16:47 >> Oh, I see.
16:49 >> Almost mirror images of a project.
16:51 >> Yeah. I you know every person's every
16:52 photographer is different. What inspires
16:54 one ne doesn't necessarily inspire the
16:59 other one. I I I feel um I yeah to be
17:00 honest though I have been on trips too
17:02 where it's like all this stuff is like
17:04 new around me but I have like no
17:05 motivation to shoot like nothing's
17:08 really hitting it you know necessarily
17:11 and uh I wonder if that's also if you're
17:14 uh personal like emotional state comes
17:15 into it to some degree. Dude are you
17:16 drinking a fresca
17:18 >> dude by the gallon like multiple 12
17:20 packs a week. What is going on with I'm
17:21 seeing that [ __ ] everywhere.
17:22 >> Oh, they're so good.
17:25 >> Oh my god. Okay, my girlfriend loves
17:28 those. Okay, but there is there two
17:29 versions? There's a grapefruit and like
17:30 a lemon or something.
17:31 >> Peach. It's peach.
17:34 >> Peach is uh peach. Peach is the second
17:35 one. Grapefruit is the original, right? Okay.
17:37 Okay.
17:38 >> She has been drinking those things
17:40 non-stop. It's like sweeping the nation.
17:42 Whatever this fresca thing is. I tried
17:44 one and I got like crazy heartburn from it.
17:45 it.
17:46 >> Probably citric acid.
17:48 >> Yeah. Yeah. Grapefruit or something. So,
17:50 I can't drink them, but I'm Dude, I've
17:51 just been seeing them everywhere, man.
17:52 How'd you get turned on to them?
17:54 >> My 13-year-old stepdaughter was drinking
17:56 one, and I was thirsty, and I want I was
17:58 drinking these Waterloo things. Have you
17:59 ever had one of these?
18:01 >> Those are so good, dog. They're so good.
18:04 >> Blackberry. Blackberry lemon is my [ __ ]
18:05 >> Yeah, they have one. Ah, dude. I wish I
18:07 could remember. It's like a cinnamon
18:09 apple or something like that. It's so good.
18:09 good.
18:10 >> They release it in the fall. >> Yeah,
18:11 >> Yeah,
18:12 >> usually is when I see it.
18:14 >> Yeah. You uh you mess with LCroy at all?
18:16 You a Lacroy guy? I'm hit or miss on it.
18:18 Every now and then I don't buy it. I
18:21 don't I don't buy it, but if somebody
18:22 has it, I'll drink it. I'm like, I don't
18:23 need to pick that up. And I see it in
18:24 the store, I'm like, I'm not paying I'm
18:26 not paying those prices right now.
18:29 >> Yeah. Yeah. I um there's only like two
18:32 good flavors. And yeah, my store like
18:34 barely has either one of them half the
18:37 time. So, kind of moving away from
18:39 Lacroy, but I need to find maybe I'll go
18:40 to Waterl.
18:41 >> Dude, Waterlue Blackberry Lemonade is
18:43 very good. Summer berry is good, too.
18:45 You feel extra patriotic drinking it
18:46 because it's red, white, and
18:48 >> they kind of look like a beer or
18:48 something though, you know?
18:49 >> Yeah, they do.
18:51 >> Like if I if I was a cop watching you
18:52 drink that in like the public park, I'd
18:54 be like, "That guy's drinking a beer for sure."
18:55 sure." >> Yeah.
18:57 >> Yeah.
18:58 Sorry. I didn't mean to get sidetracked.
19:00 >> Oh, you're good. You're good, man.
19:01 >> Um, what were we talking about?
19:02 >> I don't even remember. I got excited
19:04 that about the fresca, too. I was like,
19:06 he realized I was drinking a fresca.
19:08 >> Yeah. I can't even drink like still
19:10 water anymore. I can in like emergencies
19:12 when I'm hung over or something, but
19:14 like sparkling water all day. You feel
19:15 like way fancier. You feel like a little
19:16 princess. You know what I mean?
19:19 >> It's the bubbles. Yeah. Like the bub the
19:20 bubbles do it for me. It's cuz I drank
19:22 soda. Soda for so long.
19:24 >> What soda were you uh addicted to
19:25 >> when I was younger? It was Code Red.
19:26 >> Code Red. Oh man.
19:28 >> Violently addicted to Code Red.
19:32 >> That's like a niche niche soda. Yeah.
19:34 Wow. I don't think I even ever had that.
19:36 What does that even taste like?
19:39 >> It's like cherry Mountain Dew. Okay, cool.
19:39 cool.
19:41 >> Either that or Dr. Pepper.
19:42 >> Dude, Dr. Pepper's big
19:43 >> Dr. Pepper's sweeping the nation, too.
19:46 Yeah, I think they outsold Coke Zero or
19:47 something like that, right?
19:49 >> Yeah, I saw that. They outsold Pepsi, too.
19:49 too. >> Insane.
19:50 >> Insane.
19:52 >> My fiance is obsessed with Dr. Pepper.
19:54 She's got like Dr. Pepper shirt Dr.
19:55 Peppers. And there's a ginger ale called
19:57 Verers. I It's big around here. I don't
19:59 know if it makes but
20:00 >> It's a Michigan thing, I think. Right.
20:01 Or it's like a Midwest thing.
20:02 >> Yeah, very much so.
20:04 >> Crazy. What are they going to think of next?
20:04 next?
20:05 >> I don't know. Hopefully some new flavors
20:07 because it's getting real turned over,
20:09 man. It's just like the reboots in the
20:11 theater. Invent a new flavor. Come up
20:12 with something.
20:14 >> Dude, I was actually kind of thinking to
20:16 circle it back to film. I was kind of
20:18 thinking that recently, too. I was like,
20:20 when was the last time I watched a
20:22 YouTube video about film photography or
20:23 just photography in general that was
20:26 like new or inventive, you know? Is
20:28 there anybody out there that's doing it
20:31 differently that has like taken the
20:32 formula and kind of flipped it on its
20:34 head, but it worked? Have you ever
20:35 thought about that?
20:37 >> There's somebody that I like on YouTube.
20:40 He's just getting into YouTube, but he's
20:43 uh he's an American expat. He lives in
20:45 South Korea and he's doing stuff like
20:49 shooting photos on tumeric paper and so
20:52 just very in-depth old style photography
20:55 and shooting ISO1 films in all these
20:57 Korean markets and everything. And I
20:59 really love his work, but he's kind of
21:01 finding his legs with the YouTube thing.
21:02 He's very unsure of it and does know how
21:04 to handle it, but I think he's
21:07 incredibly talented. That is a that's a
21:09 very very niche approach to photography,
21:11 but it could be really cool. Yeah, you
21:12 should send it to me after we're done.
21:14 I'd love to check his stuff out.
21:16 >> Yeah, I'll send it over to you. He's he
21:19 also shoots digital Nikons. He's loves Nikons.
21:19 Nikons.
21:20 >> Okay. So,
21:22 >> he's got his uh foot in both worlds, I suppose.
21:23 suppose.
21:25 >> Yeah, he his uh username is Sticky
21:28 Nikons because he says Nikons are always
21:29 sticky for some reason.
21:30 >> That might just be a him problem.
21:31 >> It might be.
21:33 >> What's the common denominator here? if
21:35 all his Nikons are sticky.
21:37 >> I'm in a group chat with him and my
21:38 other buddy is like, "My Nikons are
21:39 sticky, too." I'm like, "What the hell
21:41 are you guys doing to these Nikons, man?
21:43 My Sony's just fine."
21:45 >> Like sticky to hold.
21:48 >> Yeah. Like when the when the stuff wears
21:50 down, the old pad gets sticky and sticks
21:51 to your hands a little bit.
21:53 >> I guess I don't have any like modern
21:57 Nikons, but Yeah. I Yeah. Huh.
22:01 Weird. Sticky Nikon. Have you picked up
22:02 anything new recently that you're
22:05 excited about over there?
22:07 >> Yeah, but I can't talk about it.
22:09 >> Oh, what about you?
22:13 >> I picked up some Phoenix 2 this weekend
22:17 right before I got my ass beat. And then
22:19 >> still find that funny.
22:20 >> It's wild.
22:21 >> Sorry to laugh at your miss.
22:22 >> No, you're fine. I've been laughing at
22:23 it since it happened because it's the
22:26 most ridiculous thing in the world.
22:29 Um, I picked up some Phoenix 2. I picked
22:31 up some Electra. That's the same thing
22:32 that Santa I think it's the same thing
22:34 that Santa color was or is.
22:36 >> Oh, it's just Kodak a color.
22:38 >> Yeah, I think that's what it is. And I
22:41 got some kind of expired Fuji something
22:45 or other that they had in the U close
22:47 date film bin that that was laying at
22:48 some shop in Grand Rap.
22:50 >> Oh, interesting. Um, have you shot
22:53 Phoenix uh Phoenix 2 yet?
22:54 >> No, I haven't. It's my first role.
22:56 >> Okay, cool. Are you saving it for
22:58 something special? I don't know. I might
23:01 just get the first painful one out of
23:02 the way and buy another one.
23:03 >> There you go.
23:04 >> What did you rate yours for?
23:08 >> Um, I did 200 across the board. I think
23:10 actually I shot some at 160 just to be
23:15 safe, but either one is fine. Yeah. Um,
23:17 it's an interesting film stock. Yeah.
23:18 Have you shot Phoenix One?
23:19 >> Yeah, I did.
23:20 >> Yeah. What' you think?
23:23 >> A lot of Gravy Browns, but there's
23:24 something there's something about it I like.
23:25 like.
23:26 >> Yeah. It's a I think it's just because
23:29 it's a new film and it's introducing a
23:31 new color film into the world.
23:32 >> Yeah, it's quite different. You know how
23:35 they say like you can make any um like
23:37 Kodak film look like any other Kodak
23:39 film as long as it's I guess C41. You
23:41 can make Etar look like Portra if you
23:42 want. You can make Portra look like
23:45 Ectar if you want. Um I I was kind of
23:46 thinking about this the other day. You
23:48 can't really make Phoenix look like
23:52 Portra. You know, Phoenix is too
23:54 Phoenix is like, at least Phoenix one is
23:58 like a a cave painting compared to like
23:59 Portrait 400's Mona Lisa. You know what
24:00 I mean?
24:03 >> That's a perfect comparison.
24:06 >> Yeah. So, I I do really appreciate
24:08 Phoenix uh Phoenix one and Phoenix 2 for
24:10 just like looking so different and being
24:12 like their own thing in their own world.
24:17 Um, I just personally wish, as I'm sure
24:19 a lot of people do, I wish some things
24:20 were improved upon. And they'll get
24:22 there for sure. It takes, you know, a
24:24 long time, but I'm really proud of them
24:26 and really happy with what they're doing
24:26 for sure.
24:28 >> I'm glad that they're introducing new
24:29 things into the market instead of just
24:31 respooling old stock and calling it
24:32 something else.
24:33 >> Yeah. How often are we getting uh like
24:35 new stuff nowadays, you know? I think
24:37 there was like Opticolor 200 that just
24:38 came out, right? Did you see that?
24:41 >> Yeah, I did see that. But it's a it's
24:42 like an Orwell thing or something, right?
24:42 right?
24:45 >> Orwell's kind of getting a underground
24:47 hype going to him recently. I noticed
24:49 I've heard a lot of people talking about it.
24:50 it.
24:52 >> And I've never shot any Orwell films.
24:53 Have you? I'm assuming you have because
24:55 you've shot a bunch of [ __ ]
24:56 >> Yeah, somewhere along the line. For some
24:58 reason, I always just associate Oro with
25:02 like desaturated for some reason. I
25:03 don't know. It goes back to the
25:06 respooling thing. Like so many brands
25:08 just respspool and rename [ __ ]
25:11 especially Oro film. And it's like I
25:12 honestly don't even I can't even
25:14 remember what I've shot at this point. I
25:15 could have shot it at some point. It was
25:17 just under a different name. I can't remember.
25:18 remember. >> Crazy.
25:18 >> Crazy.
25:20 >> It all blends together at some point.
25:22 You just do you do you archive all your stuff?
25:23 stuff?
25:25 >> My negatives? Yeah.
25:26 >> Okay. I wasn't sure because I've talked
25:27 to a few photographers who are like,
25:29 "Why would I do that?" And it it just
25:30 blows my mind.
25:31 >> What do they do with their negatives
25:33 then? Scan them and toss them because
25:34 it's for social media. >> Oh
25:36 >> Oh
25:37 >> yeah. But no, but like scanning
25:40 technology is going to get better in the
25:42 future, you know. Keep it.
25:43 >> What's your process lab?
25:47 >> Uh I have the lab do develop only for me
25:51 and then I uh mirrorless scan my my
25:53 negatives and posit. Well, it's mostly
25:54 positives now for for color because I
25:57 shoot a lot of ectochrome. But um yeah,
26:00 it's just all uh DSLR scan, mirrorless,
26:01 whatever. What about you?
26:03 >> Same. I'm using the A7 III to scan
26:06 everything. I need to buy a new lens.
26:07 New lens for scanning.
26:09 >> Oh, what are you working with right now?
26:11 >> Uh a 50 with an extension ring and I do
26:11 not like it.
26:14 >> Uh yeah.
26:15 Yeah, that can be kind of tricky.
26:17 >> I wasn't sure if I was going to like the
26:19 scanning and I just never improved upon
26:21 that after I decided I liked it. But now
26:24 I'm actually shooting a majority of
26:27 film. If I'm not shooting for work, I'm
26:28 shooting all film all the time.
26:30 >> Whoa. Hell yeah. That's what I love to hear.
26:32 hear.
26:34 >> Too bad Kodak's uh going down the
26:35 [ __ ] right?
26:36 >> Allegedly. Allegedly.
26:38 >> Allegedly. Yeah. No, I'm just kidding,
26:40 man. Um
26:42 that's cool. Yeah. I feel like doing the
26:45 DSLR scan on uh on film is like the
26:47 modern day of like the modern day
26:49 equivalent of like enlarging in a dark
26:51 room. You know, you're focusing on the
26:53 grain and you're uh creating a higher
26:56 resolution digital copy of your of your
26:58 film. Obviously, they're two different
26:59 worlds completely.
27:01 There's a lot that goes into enlarging,
27:03 a lot more than mirrorless scanning for
27:04 sure. But
27:06 >> it's a good comparison to make. It's the
27:07 way we can reference it to the way
27:09 things were done in the past.
27:09 >> Yeah, I suppose
27:12 >> my fiance asked me why. She like, why
27:14 why do you just scan that digitally
27:15 instead of just using your digital
27:16 camera to take the picture in the first
27:18 place? And I was like, I'm an artist.
27:21 Don't ask me questions. I don't know.
27:23 >> I don't have a good answer. But >> no,
27:23 >> no,
27:25 >> if you don't get it and you don't get
27:28 it. Um, wait, so you're getting married?
27:30 Was this your bachelor party?
27:32 >> No, no, no, no. It was It was his
27:34 bachelor party, but that guy was going
27:36 to do the ceremony at my wedding at the
27:37 Grand Canyon.
27:39 >> Oh. Oh, I thought he was going to show
27:40 up and just do like a two for one deal.
27:42 Like both of you guys get married at the
27:43 same location.
27:45 >> No, he he was getting married next month
27:47 and I'm getting married in November and
27:48 we rented out the rim of the Grand
27:50 Canyon to do the ceremony and he was
27:52 supposed to be he was supposed to be the
27:53 minister for it >> and
27:54 >> and
27:54 >> Oh, cool.
27:55 >> I might have to look into another
27:56 option, man. >> Yeah,
27:57 >> Yeah,
27:57 >> I don't think it's going to work.
27:59 Somebody beats the [ __ ] out of you, you
28:00 probably don't want them to be the
28:00 minister, right?
28:02 >> It's so humiliating cuz I was laying
28:04 flat flat. I was laying flat on my back
28:06 when it happened. So, I was under the
28:08 blanket and when he like leapt on me, my
28:11 hands were stuck under the blanket. So,
28:14 the only defense I had was just like
28:15 >> cover up and that's why dude, I don't
28:17 know if you can tell, but this is so
28:18 swelled up right here.
28:19 >> No, you just look buff, man.
28:21 >> I I'm retaining water.
28:24 >> I remember uh waking up one time. This
28:25 is a total diversion, but I remember
28:27 waking up one time when I studied abroad
28:29 in Italy and uh my roommates had gone
28:31 out and got drunk, but I had a test
28:32 early the next morning, so I just went
28:34 to bed early. I woke up at like 3:00
28:36 a.m. to like a bunch of noise and one of
28:38 my roommates was shoving my other
28:40 roommates's like mattress out like half
28:42 out of the window from like the third
28:44 story and I just like look up and I was
28:45 like, "Dude, I have I don't have time
28:46 for this." And I just went back to sleep.
28:47 sleep.
28:48 >> You just got to ignore it, man. I
28:50 learned to ignore a lot of stuff. I was
28:52 in a touring metal band for years, so I
28:55 spent a lot I spent a lot of time in a
28:56 van with five other sweaty dudes who
28:58 wanted to kill each other half the time.
29:00 >> Yeah. Yeah. That must have been cool,
29:01 though. That must have been fun.
29:03 >> I I think I had a very different touring
29:05 experience than a lot of other musicians
29:08 did because no tour no tour was fun and
29:10 everything ended catastrophically. We
29:12 were also like a death metal band, so we
29:14 weren't hanging out in the best bars or
29:15 anything like that.
29:16 >> That's always been the one thing that's
29:18 escaped me. I've always wanted to tour,
29:19 do something touring, but like what kind
29:22 of photographer is going to tour? I
29:24 always joke that if like the right band
29:25 asked me, I would go on tour with them
29:25 for like,
29:26 >> oh man,
29:27 >> behind the scenes stuff totally for
29:30 free. They just got to like I don't
29:32 know. Like I'll chill on the bus. I
29:33 don't care. I'll sleep on the bus.
29:34 >> You could make a killing doing that.
29:36 There are tons of people hiring for that
29:36 right now.
29:37 >> I would do it for free if it was like
29:39 the right band for sure.
29:40 >> There's like two bands you'd do it for
29:41 and you just don't want to come out and
29:42 say it.
29:44 >> Yeah. I'm trying to think what the funny
29:46 answer would be, but um I'm a little
29:48 tired to be honest. I just got back from
29:51 a from a two and a half week trip to
29:53 South Dakota filming a video. So, we
29:56 were waking up at like 4 in the morning
29:58 crossing like the Mojave Desert on
30:00 motorcycles and stuff like that. And it
30:01 was just it was a lot. But it was a lot
30:04 of fun. But I'm still trying to get back
30:04 from it.
30:06 >> Did you have any of that weather out?
30:08 Because I there was a couple tornadoes
30:10 that hit out that wet recently.
30:12 >> Uh how recently? because I know there
30:13 were some like thunderstorms and stuff
30:15 that rolled through right before we got there.
30:16 there.
30:17 >> It might have been just before you got
30:18 there then, but yeah, there were some
30:20 big tornadoes that rolled through out there.
30:20 there.
30:22 >> No, we didn't see much. We had a one
30:25 evening where there was a lightning. It
30:28 dude, it looked pretty metal. It was so
30:30 sick. We were out at this um it's called
30:32 Full Throttle Saloon, but it's a part of
30:34 like the Sturgeis motorcycle rally. And
30:36 just off in the distance, the planes
30:38 just go on forever up there. If you've
30:39 ever been I don't know.
30:40 >> No, I haven't yet.
30:41 >> You can picture it, though. I'm sure. >> Yep.
30:42 >> Yep.
30:44 >> Just a huge thunderstorm rolling in like
30:46 water like sunset's happening, water's
30:48 dropping, and just lightning every like
30:51 three seconds, you know? It's like this
30:53 is perfect. This is beautiful.
30:54 >> Did you shoot any photos of it?
30:55 >> I don't know if I got photos. I
30:56 definitely have video of it. I think
30:57 they're trying to get the hell out of
30:59 there before was like right over us, you know.
30:59 know.
31:01 >> Have you ever done any any stormchasing
31:02 or anything like that for photo and
31:04 video or is that out of your element?
31:07 >> Out of my element. Nice. I haven't done
31:08 it. You know what? Have you seen Twisters?
31:09 Twisters?
31:11 >> Yeah. Yeah, watching that movie I was
31:13 like, "Dude, I want to be like a tornado
31:16 chaser photographer, you know, but that
31:18 would be insanely dangerous." Probably
31:20 it'd be cool. Have you?
31:21 >> Yeah, we got hit.
31:22 >> Really? What happened?
31:24 >> So, there was an announcement that
31:25 there's going to be severe storms and my
31:26 buddy I work for a video production
31:28 company during the day
31:29 >> and he's like, "We should go chase these
31:31 storms that are supposed to be rolling
31:33 from Iowa to Illinois." And I was like,
31:34 "Hell yeah, I'm in on it, man. Let's do
31:37 this." And I'm driving and we get over
31:38 there and I didn't even think to check
31:40 the weather report before he did it, but
31:41 it turns out it wasn't supposed to be
31:44 just tornadoes. It was a direct, which
31:47 is like a huge 500 mile arcing
31:50 windstorm. And we were just outside of
31:52 Joliet, Illinois, and the outer bands of
31:54 an EF2 tornado
31:56 >> hit us and caught us at a rest area.
31:56 >> Jeez, dude.
31:59 >> I was trying to outrun the storm and I
32:00 knew we couldn't. I was doing 90 down
32:02 like I 80 or whatever the hell that road is.
32:02 is.
32:04 >> Yeah, you can't outrun that. I whipped
32:06 into a rest area behind the side of the
32:07 building to shield us from the wind and
32:08 that hit.
32:10 >> Must have been like one of the scariest
32:11 moments of your life, man. Besides like
32:12 last night at the bachelor party.
32:14 >> No, that was scarier than the bachelor
32:16 party cuz storms are my biggest fear and
32:18 I got talked into this and we we still
32:20 look at storms. If it's supercell
32:21 storms, I'll go out there and the planes
32:22 because you can see them coming for
32:24 miles, but I am not doing a big ass
32:25 storm like that. There was nowhere to go.
32:26 go.
32:27 >> So, you watch Twisters and you're like,
32:30 "This is my own personal like Vietnam."
32:32 >> I No, I really like tornado content.
32:34 There's some tornado creators on YouTube
32:35 where they make these mini documentaries
32:37 about all the big tornadoes. I sucked
32:39 into those so hardcore.
32:40 >> You're just killing it with the puns
32:41 today, man.
32:43 >> It just it just comes out naturally.
32:47 >> Damn, man. That's crazy. I
32:49 I always tell like my friends like I
32:51 would do everything once for like the
32:53 story, you know? I would go to outer
32:54 space for the story, but like that's
32:56 probably super dangerous. I would sit
32:59 like chase down a tornado at least once
33:00 for the story.
33:01 >> Stay on the south side of it. You'll be fine
33:01 fine
33:02 >> of every tornado.
33:05 >> No, like 98%. Just don't find that.
33:06 Don't find the 2% that go the other way
33:07 and you'll be good.
33:09 >> It's gambling at that point, I suppose.
33:11 >> And it's gambling with your life, so
33:13 it's the best kind of gambling. >> Yeah.
33:13 >> Yeah.
33:15 >> Uh you and Caleb were talking about
33:17 something on Migos the other day that
33:19 caught my attention.
33:21 >> Ah, a rival podcast.
33:22 >> I got to do something to reach those
33:23 numbers because it ain't working for me
33:25 yet. You guys were talking about the
33:29 dust removal AI and I happen to be doing
33:31 dust removal when you guys were talking
33:32 about this >> manually.
33:32 >> manually.
33:34 >> Is that what you do?
33:36 >> Yeah, that's what we do right now. Um I
33:39 think we got the idea from uh like have
33:40 you ever had one of those like Epson
33:41 film scanners? >> Yeah.
33:42 >> Yeah.
33:43 >> So the way those things work for their
33:45 like digital ice dust removal is they do
33:47 like a normal RGB pass and then they do
33:49 an infrared pass and the infrared pass
33:52 picks up uh dust um on the surface of
33:53 your film a lot better. So, it's able to
33:56 create a mask where the white I'm just
33:58 guessing here, but the white points get
33:59 erased and it fills it in with some like digital
34:01 digital
34:04 nonsense or something. Um, and so I
34:05 thought I thought, you know, that's an
34:08 antiquated technology. I wonder if
34:10 there's a way to do that nowadays with
34:12 like a full spectrum camera or
34:14 something. And uh it was just kind of a
34:18 a nice uh
34:20 I don't know what's the word, a nice uh
34:22 a nice thought. I don't know if it is
34:23 really all that practical. What were you thinking?
34:24 thinking?
34:26 >> Is there like a plugin you can get that
34:27 does that for you? Are you against dust
34:29 removal dig digitally?
34:30 >> No. No. No. No. I do it all the time.
34:32 >> So, there's a couple people who are
34:33 like, "You shouldn't do that. You should
34:34 only use the blower and what's on the
34:36 film is on the film." I'm like, "Yeah,
34:37 but these cameras are real old and
34:38 dusty, man."
34:42 >> Yeah. No. And a lot of labs don't.
34:44 They'll take care of your your negs, but
34:45 sometimes they might return a little
34:47 dusty and stuff, and it's like I guess
34:48 you can try and blow it off as much as
34:49 you can, but you're never going to get
34:51 it all right. I think it's more of a
34:53 like the really hardline film purists
34:55 that are against this because anything
34:58 digital digital is bad to them. >> But
34:58 >> But >> yeah,
34:59 >> yeah,
35:02 >> I would really love some kind of plugin
35:05 that will do the dust removal for me.
35:07 >> Have you ever dropped a negative
35:08 >> and then had to scan it?
35:11 >> Oh yeah, on my carpet. Yeah, 100%. Yeah,
35:13 >> man. I did that the other day with some
35:15 black and white and I was I had to take
35:17 a break. I went and chilled down
35:19 outside. Yeah,
35:21 >> I I just left the negative there. I
35:22 didn't even pick it up because I didn't
35:23 want to see.
35:24 >> You're like, I need to go lie down for a
35:26 minute. I'm so angry right now. >> Um
35:28 >> Um
35:30 Yeah. Yeah. It'd be cool if something
35:32 like that came came out. I I imagine the
35:34 people that are like, "Don't paint out
35:35 dust on your negatives are the same
35:37 people that are like don't edit your
35:39 film." Which is kind of bologoney a
35:41 little bit. Everyone has different
35:44 philosophies, you know, and they're all
35:46 valid. like
35:49 I refuse to take a color photo and uh
35:51 turn it to black and white because for
35:54 me it's like well then I'm just trying
35:56 to save the photo instead of like be
35:58 intentional about it. You know what I
35:59 mean? Does that make sense?
36:02 >> Um but everybody just has a different
36:04 line I suppose. And how do you feel
36:06 about using AI in like Photoshop or
36:08 something to remove scratches and like
36:10 like significant dust or fingerprints or
36:12 anything on your film? I've done it in
36:15 the past, but I typically I typically
36:18 like to use the it says it's not
36:20 generative AI where it's the selection
36:22 tool where you can just grab a piece of
36:23 the photo from somewhere else.
36:25 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah, the clone tool.
36:26 >> I will use that.
36:28 >> Yeah, that's what we uh that's what we
36:30 do a lot. Yeah, I think we try to stay
36:31 away from I I don't want to speak for
36:34 Caleb. I don't know. Um, I think we try
36:36 to uh
36:38 use the clone tool as much as possible
36:41 and then like if there's like I've had
36:44 some scans where um there's like a a
36:45 piece of hair or something that crosses
36:47 like someone's neck or chin or face or
36:48 something and it's like dude this is
36:50 going to be really hard to paint out
36:52 like hand like I don't know what the
36:54 word is manually I guess with the with
36:57 the clone tool. I just got to go AI with
36:59 it. And like it does a good job and it
37:02 cleans it up and it saves me like 20
37:03 minutes pulling the negative out,
37:04 booting all my stuff up and rescanning
37:08 it. So I don't see a problem with it.
37:10 It's like less than 1% of your image at
37:13 the end of the day. So what does it even matter?
37:14 matter?
37:16 >> Exactly. I think you just made a lot of
37:17 film photographers feel a lot better
37:19 because so many people are telling them
37:20 not to do that. And there everybody
37:22 likes to pretend they don't do that.
37:24 >> Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot a lot of
37:27 people use AI more than they cop do to I
37:28 would imagine. I don't know.
37:30 >> Oh, they absolutely do. I wish I could
37:32 find an AI that would cut this damn
37:34 podcast down for me intelligible instead
37:35 of hot.
37:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. We got to get it out of the
37:38 creative field and just use it for like
37:40 personal robot like slaves.
37:42 >> Just many tasks that you don't want to
37:43 deal with.
37:45 >> You you spend a lot of time editing the podcast.
37:46 podcast.
37:47 >> Oh yeah, I'll spend a lot because
37:49 because I'll cut back and forth from us
37:51 instead of just having a side by side.
37:53 I'll cut back from video to video
37:54 because I wanted it to be a little
37:56 different, I guess. I don't know. It's
37:57 >> there's got to be a way.
37:59 >> I think that there's that Opus Clips
38:01 thing that can cut down podcast clips.
38:03 I'm just hoping they expand that to more
38:04 of the whole podcast.
38:06 >> And then and then it's if I if I want to
38:08 pay for it to get it depending on the
38:09 price tag. >> Yeah,
38:09 >> Yeah,
38:11 >> I'm notoriously cheap. I'm so cheap I
38:13 tried out that sinest negative converter thing.
38:14 thing.
38:16 >> How was it? I haven't tried it yet. I
38:18 they just feel like they just feel like
38:20 it inverts your image and gives you some
38:22 LUTs to throw on it and it vastly
38:24 changes your film stock from each of the
38:26 LUTs. I don't know. It's interesting.
38:28 >> I kind of liked it when I first used it,
38:31 but it was just that first roll of film
38:32 that looked really good and then
38:33 everything else has been really rough.
38:35 Yeah, I kind of get the impression from
38:36 you and other people I've talked to is
38:39 that it's like a real it's like a very technically
38:40 technically
38:44 proficient system, but a lot of people
38:46 don't understand. Uh myself included, I
38:49 definitely do not understand like how
38:51 it's technically proficient, what I
38:52 should be using when and stuff, you know?
38:53 know?
38:55 >> Exactly. Yeah. There's no instructions.
38:57 >> You stick with Negative Lab Pro for now.
38:58 >> No, I convert each image manually
39:00 >> in like Photoshop. >> Yeah,
39:00 >> Yeah,
39:04 >> dude. Hell yeah. That's the way. Do you
39:05 have like an action setup in Photoshop
39:07 to do it for you or anything?
39:10 >> I have built some actions for the film,
39:12 but then there's other films I haven't
39:14 done it for yet. If I'm shooting 500t, I
39:17 have that action down non-stop. It's
39:19 just it just I churn 500t out because
39:21 that's what I shoot a lot of.
39:23 >> Have you uh I have a lot of questions
39:26 now all of a sudden. Do you uh so you
39:29 shoot a lot of ECN2 film? Are you
39:32 shooting it the old 500T with the Remjet Layer?
39:32 Layer? >> Yes.
39:33 >> Yes.
39:35 >> Okay. Have you heard Have you shot the
39:37 uh new stuff yet? Is this new stuff even out?
39:37 out?
39:39 >> Uh I've heard it's started appearing in
39:42 some rolls in stores, but I don't know
39:44 what the availability of it is. I'm
39:45 interested in trying it.
39:47 >> I really want them to uh cuz they
39:49 discontinued bulk rolling, right? I
39:52 assume that's where you got your 500T originally.
39:52 originally.
39:53 >> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm bulk rolling. Yeah.
39:56 >> Uh so they discontinued bulk rolling. I
39:58 really want them to, if they're going to
39:59 do that, I really want them to release
40:04 like 500T, 250D, so on and so forth in
40:07 like little photo 36 exposure rolls or
40:08 something now that it can be developed
40:11 in C41. That'd be so sick. You can just
40:14 pick up 250D at the store and develop in
40:16 C41 and it looks, you know, it looks all
40:17 right, I suppose. But
40:20 >> I cross-process a lot of 500T into C-41.
40:22 >> Yeah. Have you noticed like much of a
40:24 difference? There's some color shifting,
40:27 but not enough for me to notice it. >> Okay.
40:27 >> Okay.
40:28 >> Nothing anybody's ever noticed. They're
40:31 like, "This was in C41 instead of ECN2."
40:32 Nobody's ever called me out about it, so
40:34 I'm still just gonna do it.
40:35 >> Yeah. I wonder if it's if it just comes
40:36 down to like a slight white balance
40:39 difference and you can easily just shift
40:41 it out or something, you know?
40:43 >> How do you feel about changing colors in
40:45 uh Lightroom or Photoshop? I'm not sure
40:48 which one you use to edit because I saw
40:49 something in your last video where you
40:51 said the saturation slider was tempting you.
40:52 you.
40:53 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
40:55 >> Is this part of the uh intentional
40:57 thing? Yeah, I try I try not to as much
41:00 as I can, but like I shoot a lot of
41:02 ectochrome now with a warming filter and
41:05 sometimes when you take a shot I don't I
41:08 I can't quite place it, but um the shot
41:09 comes back and it's just like really
41:12 really orange and
41:15 it like doesn't make a ton of sense why
41:16 it is that way when acttochrome is such
41:19 a notoriously blue film stock in my
41:21 opinion and I'm using the warming filter
41:24 to warm it up. Like I would say 80% of
41:25 the time it's fine. It looks like an
41:28 actual like neutally balanced image with
41:29 the warming filter. But then every once
41:31 in a while there's just a shot that is
41:35 like stupidly orange like the sun just
41:36 exploded in your shot. >> Yeah.
41:36 >> Yeah.
41:39 >> You know, so in that case when I bring
41:42 it in I scan all my X chrome as a HDR.
41:44 So I take three photos of it. That way I
41:46 can compress them together and you get
41:48 more bit depth. I think I don't know the
41:51 technicalities of it, but when I do
41:53 that, it makes it easier to like shift
41:55 the warmth slider a little bit and
41:58 correct the magenta and uh green slider
42:00 a little bit and everything doesn't like
42:03 fall apart necessarily. Um, so I'm okay
42:05 with like doing that. I don't go in and
42:07 change individual colors. Is that what
42:09 you were kind of asking?
42:10 >> I just didn't know how what your opinion
42:13 was on editing the colors themselves on
42:15 the film in general. Yeah, I try to I
42:18 try to leave it otherwise like I'll
42:20 I'll be at my computer all day. Like one
42:21 of the reasons I stopped shooting
42:22 digital is just because like raw files
42:25 you can do pretty much anything to them,
42:27 right? You know, and you can edit it one
42:28 way and be like, "Huh, that is good."
42:29 And then edit the next photo the same
42:31 way and you're like, "That sucks." Edit
42:33 it differently, you're like, "That's
42:35 good. I want to apply it to this one."
42:36 And there's a lot of back and forth and
42:39 just I'm sure you know exactly what I'm
42:40 talking about. Yeah.
42:42 >> Yes. It drives me insane. Where do you
42:43 where do you cut yourself off at that
42:45 point? You know, you can edit it any way
42:46 you want.
42:47 >> And then there's those people who get
42:50 sucked into the pre-made LUTs and stuff,
42:52 which I don't like and use, but there
42:54 are people who will spend thousands and
42:55 thousands of dollars on their these
42:57 pre-made LUTs that changes everything
42:59 about everything about their photo is changed
42:59 changed
43:01 >> to where they the only thing they did was
43:02 was
43:04 >> push the shutter
43:05 >> and then the L took over
43:07 >> and then drag it over. Yeah.
43:10 >> Yeah. That's just kind of the way of the
43:12 world though. I get it for like wedding
43:14 photographers who have like 3,000 photos
43:16 to edit, you know, and it's like, yeah,
43:18 that totally makes sense. You got a lot
43:19 to go through and you have like two days
43:22 to do it. But, um,
43:25 yeah, for people who are just hobbyists,
43:27 it's like I don't know. Wouldn't you it
43:29 it seems like you're losing some manual
43:31 control that way, you know?
43:33 >> It really does. And
43:34 >> I've shot weddings before and I'm
43:37 stubborn enough that I edit each photo individually.
43:38 individually.
43:40 >> Hell yeah, dude. Handmade. That's
43:42 soulbreaking. I hate weddings, man. Have
43:44 you ever shot a wedding or anything like that?
43:44 that?
43:45 >> I haven't. >> Don't.
43:46 >> Don't.
43:47 >> I've had some people reach out to me
43:48 throughout the years because they saw
43:50 the the YouTube channel and they were
43:51 like, "Dude, shoot my wedding. I'll fly
43:53 you out for free." So on and so forth. I
43:56 was like, "No, man. It wouldn't be good.
43:58 I don't have the style." Because to be a
44:01 wedding photographer, I'm again
44:02 preaching to the choir here because
44:03 you've done it. You have to like have
44:05 the eye for it. you know, there's a lot
44:06 of practice and a lot of like knowing
44:08 where to go and how close to get and so
44:11 on and so forth and what lens and blah
44:14 blah blah. So, yeah, like I commend you.
44:15 I'm sure the entire film photography
44:17 commends you. You ever shot film for a wedding?
44:17 wedding?
44:19 >> Oh, absolutely not. I'm not that risky.
44:20 It's all digital for that.
44:22 >> Yeah, that's that's tricky.
44:24 >> I would do it. My buddy shoots uh
44:26 engagement portraits on film.
44:27 >> Oh, cool.
44:29 >> And he does he does great work with it
44:30 and he keeps trying to get me to do it.
44:34 He talked me into buying this uh A2E to
44:36 try for some portrait stuff. He's like,
44:37 "Just give it a shot. If you don't like
44:38 it, you can just sell it and don't worry
44:39 about it." >> Yeah.
44:40 >> Yeah.
44:42 >> So, I'm This is I'm going to probably
44:44 use that that for senior portrait.
44:46 >> Yeah. Yeah. That's always the like
44:47 bargaining with when it comes to like
44:49 buying a new camera, right? It's like ah
44:50 if you don't like it, you can just sell
44:52 it and then you never do, right?
44:54 >> Oh, man. I made a bad decision the other day.
44:55 day.
44:57 >> What happened, dog? You're here. This is
44:58 basically therapy. Talk to me. I'm just
45:01 spilling my guts to you at this point.
45:03 It's been on the podcast before, but I
45:05 saw this ad for lot of cameras on
45:07 Marketplace, and I didn't look into it.
45:10 I saw there was one Argus C3 camera in
45:10 this box.
45:13 >> Oh, cool. Yeah. I gave the guy $50 and
45:16 ended up with six Argus C3s,
45:21 >> four uh six Argus C44s, a Petri FT1, a
45:25 bunch of Argus Model A's and B's, and he
45:27 was just sold off his son's camera
45:28 collection because his son moved to
45:29 Japan and said he didn't want them. So,
45:32 I just have an army of old cameras I'm
45:34 never going to use that I paid $50 for.
45:36 >> He's going to Japan. He can just buy new
45:38 cameras. That's where they come from.
45:40 >> Well, you can you can sell the Arguses
45:42 in Japan. Japan and Korea for a decent
45:43 amount because it never made it over there.
45:43 there.
45:45 >> Oh, interesting. Yeah. I guess those are
45:46 Americanmade. They're made in uh
45:47 Detroit, I think. Right.
45:48 >> Detroit Ann Arbor. Yeah.
45:51 >> Yeah. Crazy. Um Yeah. Well, I guess if
45:53 you have six of them, if one of them
45:54 breaks, you have spare parts.
45:56 >> I'm just giving them away at this point. >> Yeah.
45:57 >> Yeah.
45:58 >> I've just been I I really have. I've
46:00 sent out like three of them. I think
46:01 >> you should put them in like the gift
46:03 baskets at your wedding, you know, if
46:04 you have that many.
46:06 >> We're just in lop. We didn't even invite
46:07 anybody. So
46:09 >> Oh, really? Maybe I'll just take one and
46:10 drop it off the Grand Canyon and see if
46:11 it can actually break an Argus because
46:12 those things are borderline indestructible.
46:13 indestructible.
46:15 >> Yeah. Have you been to the Grand Canyon before?
46:15 before?
46:16 >> I haven't. It's the first time we're going.
46:17 going.
46:18 >> Oh, okay. Dude, you're going as big as
46:20 you can, huh? I mean, I guess for your
46:22 wedding, you kind of have to. Yeah, it's
46:22 going to be cool.
46:24 >> We're going in November, so I don't know
46:25 what the conditions will be for November.
46:26 November.
46:29 >> Uh, I went in January of this year, and
46:31 it was pretty cold. I don't know about
46:33 November, though. It'll probably still
46:35 be warm. It's Arizona. And we wanted to
46:36 go cold enough so we didn't see the
46:38 rattlesnakes because I'm terrified of snakes.
46:38 snakes.
46:40 >> Is there a story there?
46:42 >> There is a story there, but
46:44 it's a stupid one. I was a kid sitting
46:45 on a cinder block and something kept
46:47 brushing my leg and I couldn't figure
46:49 out what it was. A snake had his head up
46:49 my shorts.
46:50 >> Oh my god.
46:51 >> Trauma for days. Never touched a snake
46:52 again in my life.
46:54 >> Okay, I would agree with that one. Yeah,
46:56 that's that's a little too close to like
46:58 some sensitive areas, I suppose.
47:00 >> And it was just a little little garter
47:01 snake, but
47:02 >> yeah, it'll definitely make you never
47:04 trust them ever again. I often do like
47:06 uh wholesale camera kits come through
47:07 your area like that.
47:09 >> Very rarely. I was shocked to see one
47:10 and the guy said he'd already had a
47:12 couple offers and I told him I could
47:15 meet him in 15 minutes. It just hap
47:17 happened to line up. I got a buddy who
47:21 um he was at a coffee shop and uh I
47:23 wasn't there, but this is just a
47:24 secondhand story and honestly he'd do a
47:26 better job at telling it, but he was at
47:29 a coffee shop and um an old uh an older
47:32 lady saw him shooting with one of his
47:34 old film cameras or something like that
47:37 and she was like, "Oh, uh I have one of
47:39 those from like my late husband or
47:40 something like that." And he's like,
47:42 "Oh, okay, cool." And she's like, "Would
47:43 you be interested in it? Would you want
47:46 to check it And he's like, "Yeah, sure."
47:47 Like, "I got a lot of film cameras.
47:50 Sure." So, she goes back to her place
47:52 real quick. Comes back and it's a Leica.
47:54 It's like a silver Leica M3.
47:55 >> Oh, wow.
47:56 >> Yeah. And she's just like, "You can hold
47:58 on to it like as long as you need to.
48:00 Like, it's just sitting around my house.
48:02 I'd rather it get used." And so, he just
48:04 kind of has this camera indefinitely
48:07 from my understanding. And I was like,
48:10 why the can that never happen to me, you know?
48:10 know?
48:13 >> Right. No, it never does. You'll end up
48:14 with something like an Argus C3.
48:16 >> You'll wind up with like a brownie or something.
48:16 something.
48:18 >> I have a couple of those.
48:19 >> Yeah, they work.
48:21 >> I don't know. I've never actually tried
48:22 to shoot those one. Those ones were
48:24 gifts and I'm not really
48:26 >> into Brownie cameras. They don't have
48:27 enough control for my liking.
48:29 >> Yeah. Every image I've seen shot on one,
48:31 they're always like soft, too. And they
48:33 have like two shutter speeds or
48:34 something like that. Is that right?
48:36 >> But they shot a lot of historical photos
48:38 on those. A bunch of Oh, yeah. Because
48:40 they were so popular. Everything from
48:42 the past is I would bet money on a
48:44 brownie being used for a good portion of them.
48:44 them.
48:46 >> Yeah, those cameras definitely had their
48:48 their time and place. I think my mom had
48:52 one actually now that I think about it.
48:55 >> You got any cameras on your like uh your
48:56 holy grail list? >> Xpan.
48:56 >> Xpan.
48:59 >> Xpan. Yeah, I just sold mine today.
49:01 >> What the [ __ ] For real? >> Yeah,
49:02 >> Yeah,
49:04 >> man. Did you sell it for a ridiculous
49:05 amount of money? I'm not gonna ask the
49:07 exact amount. It's just a nod or a
49:08 headshake. Yeah.
49:09 >> Yeah. Good.
49:10 >> I made I made money on it. Yeah,
49:13 definitely. Um and whoever bought it
49:15 from me is uh probably gonna make money
49:16 on it as long as they can keep it
49:18 working too because those things like
49:20 double in price every four years, it
49:20 seems like.
49:22 >> But they're ticking time bombs, too,
49:22 aren't they?
49:24 >> Yeah. Yeah. That's the problem. Well,
49:26 that's the problem with any like
49:27 electronic camera, right? They'll
49:30 eventually just crap out and uh you'll
49:31 be stuck with a brick.
49:32 >> That's why I'm so scared of buying any
49:34 of the contact stuff.
49:37 >> Same, dude. Yeah. Contacts made some
49:39 mechanical cameras though. Actually,
49:40 >> they have. And I've been look I've been
49:42 looking into the old SLRs.
49:44 >> Yeah, they made one that was like uh
49:46 really cool. I was actually gonna buy
49:47 one for a second. It was called the
49:49 Contact S2B.
49:51 You know those? Yeah. Fully mechanical,
49:54 but they have uh like 14,000 and Zeiss
49:56 lenses and so on so forth. They look so cool.
49:56 cool.
49:57 >> They really do. I
49:58 >> think they're titanium, too.
49:59 >> They're great looking cameras. They knew
50:01 how to make cameras. I love the way
50:02 their cameras look,
50:04 >> dude. Yeah. I wouldn't call it a grail
50:07 item, but something I want to check out
50:10 is that analog AF1 that seems to be
50:11 pushed out further and further in date
50:12 and I'm curious about.
50:15 >> Is that the the one from uh Amsterdam?
50:15 >> I believe so.
50:16 >> It's like it's coming from the
50:18 Netherlands or something like that.
50:21 >> Yeah, it has the 2.8 lens. It's It has
50:23 lidar technology for >> Yeah.
50:23 >> Yeah.
50:26 >> Yeah. It's I'm kind of interested in it
50:27 to see what it can do.
50:29 >> I Yeah, I hope uh I hope it works out. I
50:31 I feel like we're probably a couple
50:32 years out from that still. probably
50:34 though. Like there's still a lot that
50:35 needs to be done.
50:36 >> I think their website said mass
50:38 production was supposed to start in
50:39 September of this year.
50:42 >> No [ __ ] Wow. Well, it's almost September.
50:42 September.
50:45 >> Allegedly. Alle allegedly it is. But
50:47 it's been push pushed back a couple
50:49 times. I'm really interested in it. I
50:50 saw it when I originally saw it was like
50:54 350 bucks and now it's up to like 500.
50:55 So, I'm hoping some of those things they
50:56 actually said it could do
50:58 >> can actually do it and that they've
51:00 actually realistically priced it.
51:02 >> I hope so. Yeah. I I mean that sounds
51:04 really good. It also kind of can sound a
51:06 little too good to be true, but dude,
51:08 I'm hopeful, man. That sounds really
51:10 cool. I love What What would you rather
51:12 have? New film cameras or new film stocks?
51:13 stocks?
51:14 >> I think I'd go with film stocks because
51:17 there's so many great film cameras still
51:19 out there that are ticking and you can
51:20 get for a steal.
51:22 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather put like
51:24 research into funding for that for sure.
51:26 Give us a new like 800 speed. Hell, give
51:29 us a 1600 if uh if you guys can stomach
51:31 it. Yeah. I was really bitter with
51:34 Kentmir for releasing a 200 instead of
51:36 an 800 when they first released that up
51:39 until I shot Kentmir 200 and then I
51:41 really liked that. But for I like four
51:41 400 the best.
51:43 >> I've heard really good things about 200
51:45 it being like a little bit different
51:47 than the other two in the in the same
51:52 line. Um but yeah I when 200 came out I
51:56 was like who asked for this? Like why
51:57 does this exist? Like if I want to shoot
51:59 Camier 200, I can just do 100 and push
52:01 it a stop. It'll look good.
52:02 >> I don't know. It just feels different
52:05 than even It feels different than 400 to me.
52:05 me.
52:07 >> It's I don't know if it's grain
52:08 structure or what the hell's going on
52:10 with it. It's just
52:13 >> It feels more crisp than 400. Not And I
52:16 love I love 400. I bulk roll 400.
52:17 >> Yeah, same. >> Yeah.
52:17 >> Yeah.
52:18 >> Oh, do you? Yeah. It's
52:20 >> one of the few like film stocks you can
52:22 get in a bulk roll nowadays. Anyway,
52:24 >> well, did you see there's a new color
52:25 film that they just released as a bulk
52:26 roll on B&H?
52:28 >> A new color film?
52:30 >> I don't know if it's new. It's uh it's
52:31 probably respooled something. It's like
52:33 Kona color or something. I don't know.
52:34 >> Sounds familiar. Yeah,
52:36 >> it runs like almost 200 bucks for a 100
52:37 foot roll. I'm like, what the hell's in
52:38 this for that kind of price?
52:40 >> And it's a C-41 film,
52:41 >> I believe. So, yeah.
52:42 >> No, I haven't I haven't heard of that.
52:43 That sounds cool, though. I'll have to
52:44 look into it.
52:45 >> It's sitting in my cart.
52:46 >> Yeah, you just got to work up the courage.
52:47 courage.
52:50 >> There's the cart of dreams. And after
52:51 spending the amount of money I did this
52:53 weekend at a bachelor party, I'm like, I
52:55 can't buy that damn film now.
52:56 >> I have medical bills.
52:59 >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Every year I do a um
53:01 this series called Anctochrome Christmas
53:03 on my channel. And
53:05 when November rolls around, I it's like
53:07 I have to add like 10 rolls of
53:08 Ectochrome to my cart and I'm just
53:12 looking at the price. I'm like, why
53:13 why do I do this?
53:15 >> It's like your own special holiday that
53:16 people look forward to and you feel like
53:17 you're let you feel like you're letting
53:18 them down if you don't. Yeah, it's like
53:23 a holiday special. Yeah. Um, yeah. I I
53:26 mean, I got into bulk rolling like
53:28 I don't even know, maybe like three or
53:31 four months before Kodak discontinued
53:34 bulk rolls, so I was like, cool,
53:35 that sucks.
53:37 >> I'm buying mine off eBay.
53:38 >> Yeah. Are you able to actually get like
53:40 a 100 foot rolls off eBay?
53:42 >> Oh, yeah. I've I got a 100 foot roll of
53:45 200T in there. I got a 100 foot roll of
53:47 500 T. and
53:50 >> 100 foot roll of Kent 400 and it's not
53:53 that bad a price on eBay and check I'm
53:55 going to ruin this thing for me by
53:56 telling you this because people will
53:58 actually watch this episode
54:00 >> Etsy. Have you checked Etsy?
54:03 >> Uh not for bulk rolls of film, but I will.
54:03 will.
54:05 >> Yes, check Etsy because did
54:07 >> Inter did you buy some of that
54:08 Aerocchrome that just got released?
54:09 >> Uh no, I didn't.
54:11 >> I was half expecting to see a new
54:12 Aerocchrome episode.
54:14 >> How much was it? because it was like it
54:16 was pretty expensive, right? It was like
54:17 200 a roll or something.
54:18 >> I I thought it was like 130.
54:20 >> Oh, it's not bad. I mean, it's still
54:22 bad, but it's not the worst.
54:24 >> Yeah, I think it was Celluloid
54:25 Collective was selling it or something
54:26 like that.
54:28 >> Did you follow that story on Reddit
54:31 about the guy who um uh he worked for
54:34 like an aerial uh I don't even know, an
54:35 aerial surveillance company or something
54:39 out in the Midwest. and uh his
54:42 um supervisor or like his company just
54:43 had like I think it was something like
54:47 70 rolls of 35 millimeter aerocchrome
54:49 sitting in their freezer because that's
54:50 how they used to do it back in the day.
54:54 Um and uh he just asked his supervisor
54:56 one day like can I take these? and his
54:58 Subaru was like, "Oh yeah, we've been
55:00 trying to get rid of those forever." And
55:02 it was 70s something rolls of air chrome
55:04 and he probably made enough to like buy
55:06 a really nice car off of it.
55:08 >> Probably want to go interview that guy.
55:09 That'd be a cool video.
55:11 >> You got me obsessed with that [ __ ] for a while.
55:12 while.
55:13 >> I was like trying to recreate it
55:14 digitally because I wasn't shooting film
55:16 at the time and I didn't want to do it
55:17 the right way.
55:18 >> Yeah, it's a lot.
55:20 >> There's ways to do it. It's just it's
55:21 not the same.
55:23 >> You're right, man. Yeah. I remember back
55:24 in the day when I first started getting
55:26 into film, Film Photography Project was
55:28 selling those for like 25 a roll or
55:30 something and I was like, "Whoa, that is
55:33 way too pricey for me. I'll buy four and
55:35 then we'll reconsider." And then uh
55:37 yeah, now obviously it's like 200 a roll
55:40 or whatever. So, good old days.
55:42 >> Some film YouTubers made it popular is
55:42 what happened.
55:45 >> Yeah. Damn them. Damn.
55:47 >> I'm sure I have thrown multiple people
55:48 I've interviewed on this podcast under
55:50 the bus about the prices of things.
55:51 Somebody will post something about a
55:53 camera. I'm like, "This is fairly well
55:54 priced. I can get this." Then the next
55:56 day the video drops and the price triples.
55:57 triples.
55:59 >> Yeah. Yeah. Does that actually happen
55:59 though, you think?
56:01 >> It absolutely [ __ ] happens.
56:04 >> Damn. I wish I could use that to my
56:05 advantage somehow.
56:07 >> See, what you do is you buy the ones you
56:09 buy a bulk box of something you know
56:11 that is dirt cheap and you're like,
56:12 "This camera's really not that bad." And
56:13 then you post them on eBay.
56:14 >> Yeah. That's all you have to say is
56:16 like, "This piece of [ __ ] camera is not
56:17 that bad."
56:19 >> Yeah. It's insider trading. Hype up a spotic.
56:21 spotic.
56:23 Yeah. Yeah. You got a couple of those?
56:25 >> I have one. I have the SP2.
56:27 >> Does it work? Because my buddy's got one
56:28 and it's jammed.
56:30 >> Oh, it's a gorgeous camera. I really
56:30 like it.
56:34 >> They are cool. Yeah, they're very cool.
56:36 Yeah. What do you uh what do you what do
56:37 you take out to shoot with most of the time?
56:38 time?
56:39 >> I love my A1 so much.
56:41 >> Just a standard Canon A1.
56:45 >> Yeah, I will use that. It's just I love
56:47 the way it feels in my hands. It reminds
56:48 me of almost a modern camera, even more
56:51 so than just more more modern camera.
56:52 It's just feels right to me.
56:54 >> Yeah. When you find the the right camera
56:56 that works for you and you just know it
56:58 inside and out, you can just hit the
57:00 streets and get whatever you need. It's beautiful.
57:01 beautiful.
57:02 >> Which one is yours?
57:03 >> You're going to hate the answer, but
57:04 this is what I always say. It's a Leica
57:09 M6. The most overhyped, overused camera
57:11 probably in film photography existence.
57:14 But man, I'll tell you,
57:17 >> it's a good camera.
57:18 I don't know. I didn't want to believe
57:20 it either, but here we are.
57:22 >> You bought into the hype.
57:25 >> I bought into the hype. Yeah. So much
57:26 so, I might even get a second one one day.
57:27 day.
57:28 >> A second one?
57:30 >> I'll wait for uh Kodak to die off and then
57:31 then
57:33 film camera prices will drop and I'll
57:34 buy a second one for no reason.
57:36 >> Kodak actually even producing their own
57:38 film or is it a separate division that
57:40 could actually afford to buy Kodak?
57:42 >> Yeah, I don't know. Actually, you
57:43 probably know more about this than I do.
57:46 >> Oh, absolutely not. It's like it's a
57:48 Laris and then there's like Kodak
57:49 Rochester I think right and they're
57:53 split and they don't control each other
57:55 but I think Aaris has like some say
57:59 about what Rochester does or something I
58:02 I I think it gets really into the weeds
58:05 like if you dig into it unfortunately
58:07 >> it does because they got some kind of
58:09 huge loan or investment a while back and
58:11 they invested it in physical printing
58:12 and pharmaceuticals.
58:14 >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Printers for sure was
58:15 the big thing.
58:16 >> I can't imagine that went well for them.
58:18 Like who's printing things?
58:20 >> I don't know. It was ballsy. I I was
58:23 kind of like surprised to see that their
58:26 like Q2 financial report was like we are
58:29 unsure about the future of Kodak film. I
58:32 was like because I had always heard that
58:35 like uh they made a lot of money off of
58:38 um like cinematography film for movies,
58:41 you know, and like Christopher Nolan
58:44 just finished uh the Odyssey where I
58:45 think they probably shot that entire
58:48 damn movie on like IMAX film, like lots
58:50 of it. They probably Kodak probably just
58:52 made a lot of money from that. Maybe not
58:54 enough to sustain a whole company, but
58:56 like I don't I guess I was kind of
58:58 surprised by the timing of timing of it all.
58:58 all.
59:00 >> So, what I've heard is that a lot of
59:02 their cost has sunk into former
59:04 employees retirement benefits program,
59:06 which will be ending and that should
59:09 recover a lot of their losses. I just I
59:12 bet if they opened up bulk selling to
59:14 individuals again, they'd probably make
59:16 a good chunk of money because I know
59:19 there's no way that isn't profitable.
59:20 They're probably keeping the rest of
59:22 Kodak afloat at this point.
59:24 >> Yeah. Honestly, dude, I don't I've been
59:26 to the factory. I still don't even
59:29 understand like how it all works, you
59:31 know? It's all just like
59:33 people blaming stuff on other people and
59:35 so on and so forth. Don't get me wrong,
59:36 everybody there was incredibly nice and
59:38 every Kodak employee I've ever met has
59:42 been like the coolest. Um, but yeah,
59:44 it's like half the time I talk to people
59:47 in the know, they're like, I don't know.
59:48 I don't know how it works. It's like,
59:50 does anybody know how it works?
59:51 >> It's just magic.
59:52 >> Just I guess it's all just magic, man.
59:54 Yeah. What if there was a film stock
59:55 coming back from Kodak? What would you
59:57 like to see? You ever shot any of their
59:59 old like legacy stuff? They had some
60:00 weird stuff. >> No, I had I didn't I didn't have the
60:02 >> No, I had I didn't I didn't have the budget for it
60:04 budget for it cuz I mean I'm technically an
60:06 cuz I mean I'm technically an independent contractor. So that's why
60:08 independent contractor. So that's why I'm bulk rolling as much as I can and
60:10 I'm bulk rolling as much as I can and I'll buy I'll buy odds and ends film
60:13 I'll buy I'll buy odds and ends film just to try it here and there. And
60:15 just to try it here and there. And people have been sent people have been
60:16 people have been sent people have been sending me film lately.
60:18 sending me film lately. >> Yeah. Isn't that the coolest,
60:19 >> Yeah. Isn't that the coolest, >> dude? I didn't expect that to happen.
60:21 >> dude? I didn't expect that to happen. things just started showing up and I
60:22 things just started showing up and I don't have a PO box so it's just coming
60:24 don't have a PO box so it's just coming to my house. I hope nobody wants to
60:25 to my house. I hope nobody wants to murder me. But
60:27 murder me. But >> yeah, you gotta be careful, man.
60:28 >> yeah, you gotta be careful, man. >> I'm not picky about film. I just I like
60:31 >> I'm not picky about film. I just I like the act of shooting it.
60:32 the act of shooting it. >> Yeah, you like the process. More
60:34 >> Yeah, you like the process. More hands-on process. Yeah, that's good,
60:36 hands-on process. Yeah, that's good, man. That's purist. Stay like that.
60:38 man. That's purist. Stay like that. Don't ever change.
60:39 Don't ever change. >> Do you do any home development?
60:40 >> Do you do any home development? >> No, I uh I tested out um this is nowhere
60:45 >> No, I uh I tested out um this is nowhere even close to the same thing, but I
60:46 even close to the same thing, but I tested out some like RA4 home developing
60:48 tested out some like RA4 home developing stuff, which was kind of cool. I shot
60:51 stuff, which was kind of cool. I shot like a sheet in my 8 by10 and developed
60:53 like a sheet in my 8 by10 and developed it at home and so on and so forth. But I
60:56 it at home and so on and so forth. But I was like, "Oh yeah, there's a reason I
60:58 was like, "Oh yeah, there's a reason I don't do this, you know? It's just it's
61:01 don't do this, you know? It's just it's so much like measurements and
61:02 so much like measurements and everything's got to be at the right
61:03 everything's got to be at the right temperature and I was just like I don't
61:05 temperature and I was just like I don't know. I I barely have enough time." You
61:08 know. I I barely have enough time." You understand the life, right? Like video
61:11 understand the life, right? Like video video editing just takes forever to do.
61:14 video editing just takes forever to do. Like I have to spend 90% of my life
61:17 Like I have to spend 90% of my life doing that, you know? I don't have time
61:19 doing that, you know? I don't have time to develop film. I'd rather leave it to
61:21 to develop film. I'd rather leave it to the professionals who have done it a
61:23 the professionals who have done it a thousand times.
61:23 thousand times. >> Have you ever considered outsourcing
61:25 >> Have you ever considered outsourcing your editing or do you like to be in
61:26 your editing or do you like to be in control of that project?
61:27 control of that project? >> I definitely have considered it. But um
61:32 >> I definitely have considered it. But um I think uh I'm just such a perfectionist
61:34 I think uh I'm just such a perfectionist and that goes back to like me hating all
61:36 and that goes back to like me hating all my work, you know? It's like the
61:37 my work, you know? It's like the perfectionist inside of me is like I
61:39 perfectionist inside of me is like I could have done it better. And when I'm
61:40 could have done it better. And when I'm editing at least there's some wiggle
61:42 editing at least there's some wiggle room for me to like improve parts and
61:44 room for me to like improve parts and stuff to my own like standard, I guess.
61:47 stuff to my own like standard, I guess. I guess if I had somebody to edit for
61:48 I guess if I had somebody to edit for me, I'd feel like
61:51 me, I'd feel like I'd feel like a dick just being like,
61:52 I'd feel like a dick just being like, "Oh, you you got to do this again. This
61:54 "Oh, you you got to do this again. This this sucks." You know? I'm sure there's
61:56 this sucks." You know? I'm sure there's a nice way of saying it, but I'd be I'd
61:58 a nice way of saying it, but I'd be I'd probably be a terrible boss.
61:59 probably be a terrible boss. >> Well, does Christopher Nolan edit his
62:01 >> Well, does Christopher Nolan edit his own films?
62:02 own films? >> No, but I'm not I'm not Christopher
62:04 >> No, but I'm not I'm not Christopher Nolan, man.
62:05 Nolan, man. >> Yeah. What about you? Have you ever
62:07 >> Yeah. What about you? Have you ever thought about outsourcing editing?
62:09 thought about outsourcing editing? >> I think we're on different pay grades,
62:10 >> I think we're on different pay grades, man.
62:11 man. >> I don't know about that. I mean, maybe.
62:13 >> I don't know about that. I mean, maybe. >> Yeah. It's I can't justify the cost of
62:16 >> Yeah. It's I can't justify the cost of editing if it was AI and I can pay for
62:18 editing if it was AI and I can pay for it one time. I I let people outsource
62:21 it one time. I I let people outsource their editing to me. I would never try
62:22 their editing to me. I would never try to edit anything of yours because I'm
62:24 to edit anything of yours because I'm like I just do stuff for uh music
62:27 like I just do stuff for uh music videos. So, it's all just quick cuts,
62:28 videos. So, it's all just quick cuts, heavy movement, blend it together, sync
62:30 heavy movement, blend it together, sync it to the music,
62:31 it to the music, >> dude. Yeah, that music video life is
62:33 >> dude. Yeah, that music video life is insane. I
62:35 insane. I >> I hate it,
62:36 >> I hate it, >> bro. I hated it so much when I was doing
62:38 >> bro. I hated it so much when I was doing I was freelance uh like visual effects
62:41 I was freelance uh like visual effects for music videos is kind of how I
62:43 for music videos is kind of how I started in the in Hollywood I guess and
62:45 started in the in Hollywood I guess and the turnaround time on that is insane.
62:47 the turnaround time on that is insane. It's like three days for some of them
62:50 It's like three days for some of them and it's like
62:52 and it's like how do you just not like
62:54 how do you just not like go crazy trying to like manage those
62:57 go crazy trying to like manage those turnaround times? You know,
62:58 turnaround times? You know, >> it's cool mingling with those people and
63:00 >> it's cool mingling with those people and realizing that not all of your heroes
63:02 realizing that not all of your heroes turn out to be complete douchebags.
63:04 turn out to be complete douchebags. >> Sometimes, but not always.
63:07 >> Sometimes, but not always. Yeah, that's uh yeah, that was
63:09 Yeah, that's uh yeah, that was definitely one of the benefits. Like I
63:10 definitely one of the benefits. Like I met the um I think he's like the lead
63:13 met the um I think he's like the lead singer for the Shins. I think I was like
63:17 singer for the Shins. I think I was like working on some side project of his and
63:19 working on some side project of his and that was like super cool. Is it the
63:21 that was like super cool. Is it the Shins? Dude, I can't even remember at
63:23 Shins? Dude, I can't even remember at this point. But yeah, like you uh you
63:26 this point. But yeah, like you uh you definitely you get like bragging rights
63:28 definitely you get like bragging rights about stuff like that to like other
63:29 about stuff like that to like other people who are interested in that kind
63:31 people who are interested in that kind of thing. But dude, like the burnout was
63:34 of thing. But dude, like the burnout was like so real is the problem
63:36 like so real is the problem >> because they have they have such high
63:38 >> because they have they have such high expectations then you have high
63:39 expectations then you have high expectations for yourself. It's just I
63:42 expectations for yourself. It's just I would very much like to just shoot photo
63:44 would very much like to just shoot photo full-time.
63:45 full-time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a a path you
63:48 >> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a a path you can see yourself doing uh going forward?
63:50 can see yourself doing uh going forward? >> Photo full-time? Yeah, I would love
63:52 >> Photo full-time? Yeah, I would love Yeah.
63:54 Yeah. Are you doing photo full-time? I'm
63:56 Are you doing photo full-time? I'm assuming you are at this point.
63:58 assuming you are at this point. >> Yeah. Yeah. YouTube is my full-time job
64:00 >> Yeah. Yeah. YouTube is my full-time job for sure. you still love it or is it
64:02 for sure. you still love it or is it stressful?
64:02 stressful? >> That's a very complicated question. Um,
64:06 >> That's a very complicated question. Um, I do love it most of the time, more than
64:08 I do love it most of the time, more than any other job I've ever had, but you
64:11 any other job I've ever had, but you know, when you when it's getting close
64:14 know, when you when it's getting close to that like 90th hour that you've
64:16 to that like 90th hour that you've worked that week,
64:18 worked that week, you're just you're just over it, you
64:20 you're just you're just over it, you know? And I mean, you work for yourself,
64:23 know? And I mean, you work for yourself, it sounds like to some degree or maybe a
64:26 it sounds like to some degree or maybe a 100% of the time, I don't know. But like
64:28 100% of the time, I don't know. But like did you ever find it hard to like be
64:31 did you ever find it hard to like be your own boss kind of and manage your
64:33 your own boss kind of and manage your time?
64:33 time? >> Lists have changed my life. This whole
64:36 >> Lists have changed my life. This whole wall right here is a chalkboard wall
64:38 wall right here is a chalkboard wall >> and I'll just jot notes and stuff on it
64:41 >> and I'll just jot notes and stuff on it when I want to
64:42 when I want to >> if I there's a thing I need to get done.
64:44 >> if I there's a thing I need to get done. If the list isn't made, it isn't getting
64:45 If the list isn't made, it isn't getting done the next day. So after this, it's
64:47 done the next day. So after this, it's going to be edit podcast with Jason
64:49 going to be edit podcast with Jason >> and do this, do that, post, schedule
64:52 >> and do this, do that, post, schedule podcast. I try to
64:54 podcast. I try to >> Yeah.
64:54 >> Yeah. >> If I don't do that.
64:56 >> If I don't do that. >> Exactly.
64:56 >> Exactly. >> Take painkillers. Exactly. Damn. I for I
64:58 >> Take painkillers. Exactly. Damn. I for I did forget to take painkillers. I should
65:00 did forget to take painkillers. I should I should have put it on a list, but my
65:03 I should have put it on a list, but my my buddy was just telling me about this
65:05 my buddy was just telling me about this AI app. Uh hang on a sec.
65:11 AI app. Uh hang on a sec. I'm going to find it cuz he highly
65:13 I'm going to find it cuz he highly highly recommended it. It's called
65:16 highly recommended it. It's called Notion,
65:18 Notion, but it's it's like an AI assistance that
65:20 but it's it's like an AI assistance that will assistant that will
65:22 will assistant that will organize everything for you. So, if you
65:24 organize everything for you. So, if you put in, I have something to do this day
65:25 put in, I have something to do this day that needs to be done at this time, it
65:27 that needs to be done at this time, it will organize it across all your
65:28 will organize it across all your schedules for you and tell you when it
65:30 schedules for you and tell you when it needs to be done. Yeah. So, it kind of
65:32 needs to be done. Yeah. So, it kind of builds your own work schedule.
65:33 builds your own work schedule. >> That's kind of cool.
65:34 >> That's kind of cool. >> I'm really interested in trying it. I
65:36 >> I'm really interested in trying it. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm getting to
65:39 haven't tried it yet, but I'm getting to that point cuz coming down here being
65:41 that point cuz coming down here being covered in chalk dust ain't doing it for
65:42 covered in chalk dust ain't doing it for me.
65:42 me. >> Do you get that thing when if you use a
65:44 >> Do you get that thing when if you use a chalk that it just kind of feels like
65:47 chalk that it just kind of feels like >> this? Not so bad cuz it's just the chalk
65:49 >> this? Not so bad cuz it's just the chalk paint, but old chalk I have an old chalk
65:51 paint, but old chalk I have an old chalk >> paint. It's like it's just dry material
65:53 >> paint. It's like it's just dry material rubbing against dry material and you're
65:55 rubbing against dry material and you're like, "Ah, stop." You know,
65:57 like, "Ah, stop." You know, >> what's worse than that for me is micro
65:58 >> what's worse than that for me is micro microfiber material. I
66:01 microfiber material. I >> do not like that [ __ ] It clings.
66:02 >> do not like that [ __ ] It clings. >> There's not enough people talking about
66:03 >> There's not enough people talking about that [ __ ] Yeah, it clings to my hands,
66:05 that [ __ ] Yeah, it clings to my hands, too, like I'm Spider-Man or something.
66:07 too, like I'm Spider-Man or something. >> Do you bite your nails?
66:08 >> Do you bite your nails? >> Yeah.
66:09 >> Yeah. >> I think it's people who bite their
66:10 >> I think it's people who bite their nails. I I need to do a research study
66:12 nails. I I need to do a research study on this and release it to some to
66:13 on this and release it to some to somebody, but I bite my nails and it
66:16 somebody, but I bite my nails and it gets caught on all the little hangails
66:17 gets caught on all the little hangails and stuff.
66:18 and stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you do it because of it's
66:20 >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you do it because of it's like an anxiety thing?
66:21 like an anxiety thing? >> Oh, absolutely. It's 100% anxiety.
66:23 >> Oh, absolutely. It's 100% anxiety. >> I've done it since I was a kid. Yeah. I
66:25 >> I've done it since I was a kid. Yeah. I just can't seem to shake it. I guess
66:26 just can't seem to shake it. I guess it's better than just like smoking two
66:29 it's better than just like smoking two packs a day, you know? But that's like
66:31 packs a day, you know? But that's like it. There are weird side effects for
66:33 it. There are weird side effects for sure. Have you ever thought about doing
66:34 sure. Have you ever thought about doing like a YouTube channel? I I know you got
66:36 like a YouTube channel? I I know you got this, but
66:37 this, but >> bombed so [ __ ] bad. I was bad at it.
66:39 >> bombed so [ __ ] bad. I was bad at it. I was like the poor man's Jason Cfeld.
66:41 I was like the poor man's Jason Cfeld. >> What uh you were bad at it? What What
66:43 >> What uh you were bad at it? What What was What was wrong with it? My I think
66:45 was What was wrong with it? My I think it's my area is boring and I ran out of
66:47 it's my area is boring and I ran out of motiv I ran out of motivation of things
66:49 motiv I ran out of motivation of things to shoot. I am I have been working on a
66:52 to shoot. I am I have been working on a vlog about Polaroid.
66:55 vlog about Polaroid. >> Okay.
66:55 >> Okay. >> Because I there was a Polaroid in that
66:58 >> Because I there was a Polaroid in that box of Arguses. I got
66:59 box of Arguses. I got >> a Polaroid camera.
67:00 >> a Polaroid camera. >> Yeah, a Polaroid camera. And I fell in
67:02 >> Yeah, a Polaroid camera. And I fell in love with Instant Film for a second
67:05 love with Instant Film for a second >> and spent too much money and now I'm
67:09 >> and spent too much money and now I'm looking at inst Instax wides.
67:11 looking at inst Instax wides. >> Oh boy.
67:11 >> Oh boy. >> Do you do you have gear acquisition
67:13 >> Do you do you have gear acquisition syndrome? You get that?
67:15 syndrome? You get that? >> Oh, bad. Yeah, bad. I I keep like a list
67:19 >> Oh, bad. Yeah, bad. I I keep like a list on my computer of like all the gear I
67:20 on my computer of like all the gear I want to buy one day when I like I
67:22 want to buy one day when I like I finally get money in, which never
67:23 finally get money in, which never happens. And so it's like
67:27 happens. And so it's like it it's just bad. I think the
67:30 it it's just bad. I think the I think actually I kind of had like a
67:32 I think actually I kind of had like a spiritual awakening. Not not literally,
67:34 spiritual awakening. Not not literally, but I was riding through the Mojave at
67:36 but I was riding through the Mojave at the end of this trip. It was hot as
67:38 the end of this trip. It was hot as balls. And I'm just like on this
67:40 balls. And I'm just like on this motorcycle like I got bigger better
67:42 motorcycle like I got bigger better things to do than just like buy cameras.
67:44 things to do than just like buy cameras. Like I can The fun part is shooting the
67:47 Like I can The fun part is shooting the cameras, not acquiring like all the
67:50 cameras, not acquiring like all the cameras I possibly can that I think look
67:52 cameras I possibly can that I think look cool, you know? So I kind of had this
67:54 cool, you know? So I kind of had this like realization like I really don't
67:57 like realization like I really don't need to keep buying cameras. I don't
67:59 need to keep buying cameras. I don't think I think like I've got some [ __ ]
68:01 think I think like I've got some [ __ ] that is pretty good. Like where do you
68:04 that is pretty good. Like where do you how do you beat a Mamia 7? How do you
68:06 how do you beat a Mamia 7? How do you beat a Leica M6, you know?
68:09 beat a Leica M6, you know? I've got everything I need. It I just
68:12 I've got everything I need. It I just like need to just go out and shoot with
68:13 like need to just go out and shoot with them more. I think that's the problem.
68:15 them more. I think that's the problem. >> Do you buy stuff to feel motivated to go
68:17 >> Do you buy stuff to feel motivated to go out and shoot more? Is that what you
68:18 out and shoot more? Is that what you think it is where if I only had this,
68:20 think it is where if I only had this, I'd want to go out and shoot more if I
68:22 I'd want to go out and shoot more if I had this just to see what it was like.
68:23 had this just to see what it was like. The experience of shooting that camera
68:25 The experience of shooting that camera will motivate you to create something
68:27 will motivate you to create something new that you may not have before.
68:28 new that you may not have before. >> No, I've I've heard that from a lot of
68:30 >> No, I've I've heard that from a lot of people that that is like kind of a a
68:32 people that that is like kind of a a good motivation. I've actually heard
68:34 good motivation. I've actually heard that from a lot of people who shoot
68:35 that from a lot of people who shoot digital more than like film to be
68:38 digital more than like film to be honest. Um, no, I don't I don't do that.
68:41 honest. Um, no, I don't I don't do that. Most of the time I buy cameras because
68:43 Most of the time I buy cameras because like I think it would make an
68:44 like I think it would make an interesting video or like this camera
68:46 interesting video or like this camera does something different that people
68:47 does something different that people might be interested in or something like
68:49 might be interested in or something like that. But I've kind of been focusing a
68:51 that. But I've kind of been focusing a little bit more on just like getting out
68:53 little bit more on just like getting out and shooting and traveling more in my in
68:55 and shooting and traveling more in my in my video work. So, um, less and le too
69:00 my video work. So, um, less and le too is like,
69:02 is like, uh, they're not really making like new
69:04 uh, they're not really making like new film cameras. There is like a limit on
69:05 film cameras. There is like a limit on the amount of research you can do. You
69:07 the amount of research you can do. You can see every film camera that was ever
69:09 can see every film camera that was ever made for the most part and that's that.
69:12 made for the most part and that's that. It's not like they're pumping out a new
69:14 It's not like they're pumping out a new film camera every year. So, once you
69:17 film camera every year. So, once you kind of hit that limit, you're
69:19 kind of hit that limit, you're what is what what's next? You know,
69:21 what is what what's next? You know, >> what's next? Yeah, you have a finite
69:23 >> what's next? Yeah, you have a finite resource.
69:24 resource. >> What about you? So, it seems like you
69:25 >> What about you? So, it seems like you got your your gear acquisition under
69:26 got your your gear acquisition under control.
69:27 control. >> So, it it really is mostly under control
69:29 >> So, it it really is mostly under control cuz a lot of my stuff was cheap or
69:32 cuz a lot of my stuff was cheap or gifted to me. My A1 was gifted to me. My
69:34 gifted to me. My A1 was gifted to me. My uh buddy's dad shot film. He passed away
69:37 uh buddy's dad shot film. He passed away >> and he had it sitting in a dry box for
69:40 >> and he had it sitting in a dry box for years and then he just gave it to me one
69:43 years and then he just gave it to me one day.
69:43 day. >> Yeah.
69:43 >> Yeah. >> I I really I am more invested in film
69:46 >> I I really I am more invested in film than I do into the cameras themselves.
69:47 than I do into the cameras themselves. >> Hell yeah, dude. which is wild for me to
69:49 >> Hell yeah, dude. which is wild for me to say because I have like this wall of
69:51 say because I have like this wall of cameras back here and but it makes good
69:54 cameras back here and but it makes good set dressing. Half those don't work.
69:56 set dressing. Half those don't work. >> You have more invested in film than
69:58 >> You have more invested in film than cameras. Does that mean you have like a
70:00 cameras. Does that mean you have like a huge fridge full of film?
70:02 huge fridge full of film? >> A mini fridge.
70:03 >> A mini fridge. >> Mini fridge. Yeah, I got two mini
70:04 >> Mini fridge. Yeah, I got two mini fridges full of film.
70:06 fridges full of film. >> Oh, double the problem that I do.
70:09 >> Oh, double the problem that I do. >> Dude, I the other I think it was like a
70:11 >> Dude, I the other I think it was like a year ago now. I went through the both of
70:13 year ago now. I went through the both of them because they were just like filled
70:15 them because they were just like filled to the brim. I couldn't even close them.
70:16 to the brim. I couldn't even close them. And I was like, I need to just like get
70:18 And I was like, I need to just like get rid of film that I know I'm never going
70:21 rid of film that I know I'm never going to shoot. So, I anti out like three huge
70:24 to shoot. So, I anti out like three huge ziplockc bags full of film that I just
70:26 ziplockc bags full of film that I just like would give to people or like donate
70:28 like would give to people or like donate or whatever. And I got rid of like all
70:31 or whatever. And I got rid of like all that film and I still like my film
70:34 that film and I still like my film freezers still won't close. It doesn't
70:36 freezers still won't close. It doesn't make any sense.
70:37 make any sense. >> Nothing has changed.
70:38 >> Nothing has changed. >> Yeah, it's insane. And I just got back
70:41 >> Yeah, it's insane. And I just got back from a trip to Arizona shooting like
70:42 from a trip to Arizona shooting like tons and tons of large format. I think I
70:44 tons and tons of large format. I think I shot like a hundred sheets of something
70:46 shot like a hundred sheets of something and it's like got rid of a bunch of
70:48 and it's like got rid of a bunch of those bigger boxes and stuff too and the
70:49 those bigger boxes and stuff too and the damn thing still won't close. It's
70:51 damn thing still won't close. It's insane. It doesn't make any sense.
70:53 insane. It doesn't make any sense. >> What's it mostly filled with?
70:54 >> What's it mostly filled with? >> Honestly, retrochrome. Have you ever
70:56 >> Honestly, retrochrome. Have you ever shot that stuff?
70:57 shot that stuff? >> I haven't. My buddy has some. He's got
70:59 >> I haven't. My buddy has some. He's got that and a fridge full of Velvia and
71:00 that and a fridge full of Velvia and Provia right now.
71:01 Provia right now. >> Whoa. Tell me where he lives.
71:03 >> Whoa. Tell me where he lives. >> You need the coordinates. Hey, he he
71:05 >> You need the coordinates. Hey, he he wheels and deals, man.
71:06 wheels and deals, man. >> Yeah. Is that what he does? That's just
71:09 >> Yeah. Is that what he does? That's just part of it. He uh he flips a lot of film
71:11 part of it. He uh he flips a lot of film and then buys he he will flip some and
71:13 and then buys he he will flip some and then buy more with what he flipped with
71:15 then buy more with what he flipped with and then keep half of that, sell the
71:17 and then keep half of that, sell the other half.
71:17 other half. >> Whoa. He's got a whole system.
71:19 >> Whoa. He's got a whole system. >> You think my gear acquisition syndrome
71:20 >> You think my gear acquisition syndrome is bad? He has like nine cabinets full
71:23 is bad? He has like nine cabinets full of high-end cameras.
71:24 of high-end cameras. >> Yeah.
71:24 >> Yeah. >> He's got a a 645 I was thinking about
71:27 >> He's got a a 645 I was thinking about buying for a minute,
71:28 buying for a minute, >> dude. Yeah.
71:28 >> dude. Yeah. >> He ended up trading it for a Leica
71:31 >> He ended up trading it for a Leica something with an insanely expensive
71:34 something with an insanely expensive lens. This kid didn't know what it was
71:35 lens. This kid didn't know what it was worth. And the guys the kid's like, I
71:37 worth. And the guys the kid's like, I don't care what it is. I just want that.
71:38 don't care what it is. I just want that. Why doesn't that ever happen to me? Why
71:39 Why doesn't that ever happen to me? Why doesn't it ever happen to us, dog?
71:41 doesn't it ever happen to us, dog? >> I couldn't with good faith steal from
71:43 >> I couldn't with good faith steal from some dumb teenager who got interested in
71:45 some dumb teenager who got interested in film for a minute and then sold
71:47 film for a minute and then sold something expensive.
71:48 something expensive. >> I'd want I'd want to.
71:50 >> I'd want I'd want to. >> I Yeah, I think you and I are the same
71:53 >> I Yeah, I think you and I are the same in that way. I was uh I was out shooting
71:55 in that way. I was uh I was out shooting a video and uh this older gentleman came
71:58 a video and uh this older gentleman came up to me and he was like, "You shooting
72:00 up to me and he was like, "You shooting with a film camera, huh?" And I was
72:01 with a film camera, huh?" And I was like, "Yeah, man. That's that's kind of
72:02 like, "Yeah, man. That's that's kind of what I do. It's my thing." And he's
72:04 what I do. It's my thing." And he's like, "Yeah, I got a again, it was a
72:06 like, "Yeah, I got a again, it was a Leica M3. I don't know why everyone has
72:08 Leica M3. I don't know why everyone has a like M3 just sitting around in their
72:10 a like M3 just sitting around in their attic, but he's like, "Yeah, it was my
72:12 attic, but he's like, "Yeah, it was my dad's. Like, it's just kind of sitting
72:13 dad's. Like, it's just kind of sitting around and stuff." And he was like, "I
72:16 around and stuff." And he was like, "I don't know what to do with it. Would you
72:17 don't know what to do with it. Would you be interested?" And I was like, "Yeah,
72:18 be interested?" And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, 100%." But then he's like, "I was
72:20 yeah, 100%." But then he's like, "I was also thinking of maybe donating it to
72:22 also thinking of maybe donating it to the like local photography classes at
72:24 the like local photography classes at the nearby college." And I was like,
72:28 the nearby college." And I was like, "Look, man,
72:30 "Look, man, you should do that. Don't give it to
72:31 you should do that. Don't give it to me."
72:32 me." and I had to like take the higher road
72:34 and I had to like take the higher road and it hurt but it was like
72:36 and it hurt but it was like >> I hate to be the bearer of bad news on
72:38 >> I hate to be the bearer of bad news on this but I know people who work in those
72:39 this but I know people who work in those programs and things that people donate
72:41 programs and things that people donate to those the professors will take them
72:44 to those the professors will take them and then donate something worse.
72:45 and then donate something worse. >> Oh and they put it
72:46 >> Oh and they put it >> like the professor will be it'll be
72:47 >> like the professor will be it'll be donated to this program. The professor
72:49 donated to this program. The professor will be like well thank you. Yeah, we'll
72:50 will be like well thank you. Yeah, we'll put this to use. They'll take that they
72:52 put this to use. They'll take that they take that home with them and then they
72:54 take that home with them and then they bring back a Pentax spot.
72:55 bring back a Pentax spot. >> Okay. So I should I should have taken
72:57 >> Okay. So I should I should have taken it.
72:59 it. >> Are you Are you taking You're like damn
73:01 >> Are you Are you taking You're like damn it. I should have took that camera.
73:03 it. I should have took that camera. >> Damn it.
73:04 >> Damn it. >> Are you taking any more any commissions
73:06 >> Are you taking any more any commissions or anything like that for your work?
73:08 or anything like that for your work? >> Yeah, not not very often. Um,
73:11 >> Yeah, not not very often. Um, that that would be like the dream, but I
73:13 that that would be like the dream, but I don't know if like my style really
73:14 don't know if like my style really translates to like
73:17 translates to like things people are interested in. I've
73:18 things people are interested in. I've had a few people reach out about wanting
73:20 had a few people reach out about wanting to purchase
73:24 to purchase the like 8 by10 or 4x5 slides, like the
73:27 the like 8 by10 or 4x5 slides, like the actual physical slides of these sheet
73:30 actual physical slides of these sheet film shot that I've taken. And um I
73:33 film shot that I've taken. And um I thought that was kind of cool, but I'd
73:35 thought that was kind of cool, but I'd have to like charge a lot of money cuz
73:37 have to like charge a lot of money cuz like what's going to happen one day if I
73:39 like what's going to happen one day if I want that shot back and I want to rescan
73:40 want that shot back and I want to rescan it higher quality or
73:43 it higher quality or or like I'm doing a gallery or something
73:44 or like I'm doing a gallery or something and I need like an insane resolution or
73:46 and I need like an insane resolution or something to do it.
73:48 something to do it. >> That's like selling your worldwide
73:49 >> That's like selling your worldwide rights as a photographer for an image.
73:51 rights as a photographer for an image. >> Yeah.
73:52 >> Yeah. >> And that's not cheap.
73:53 >> And that's not cheap. >> No. Yeah. Especially something that's as
73:55 >> No. Yeah. Especially something that's as beautiful as like slide. I mean, I
73:57 beautiful as like slide. I mean, I assume you shot slide.
73:58 assume you shot slide. >> I'm scared of it.
73:59 >> I'm scared of it. >> You're scared of it? What What's going
74:00 >> You're scared of it? What What's going on, man? Talk talk me through it.
74:02 on, man? Talk talk me through it. >> I haven't looked into it enough.
74:03 >> I haven't looked into it enough. >> Uh, okay. Is it the developing thing?
74:05 >> Uh, okay. Is it the developing thing? Like E6 is
74:06 Like E6 is >> Yeah,
74:07 >> Yeah, >> it's the developing.
74:08 >> it's the developing. >> You know what scares you even more? I
74:10 >> You know what scares you even more? I didn't even know this about E6, but my
74:13 didn't even know this about E6, but my buddy uh Emergency developed some
74:15 buddy uh Emergency developed some ectochrome for me like a couple months
74:17 ectochrome for me like a couple months ago. Um, he pulls it out of the
74:19 ago. Um, he pulls it out of the container and it looks kind of like
74:22 container and it looks kind of like faded in general. I'm like, "Oh, dude, I
74:26 faded in general. I'm like, "Oh, dude, I screwed up. He screwed up. I don't
74:28 screwed up. He screwed up. I don't know." I'm looking at it and then he
74:30 know." I'm looking at it and then he hangs it up, doesn't say anything, and
74:32 hangs it up, doesn't say anything, and like 10 minutes later it's like perfect.
74:35 like 10 minutes later it's like perfect. The blacks are perfect. Everything's
74:37 The blacks are perfect. Everything's like as it should be. And I was like,
74:38 like as it should be. And I was like, that is so weird that it's like not done
74:41 that is so weird that it's like not done when you pull it out of the tank.
74:42 when you pull it out of the tank. >> I wonder if it's light.
74:43 >> I wonder if it's light. >> I don't know. Is is C-41 like that?
74:45 >> I don't know. Is is C-41 like that? >> No, C-41 is it it comes out of the
74:49 >> No, C-41 is it it comes out of the developing tank and it's you just hang
74:51 developing tank and it's you just hang it up to dry.
74:51 it up to dry. >> I was surprised how faded it looked. I
74:53 >> I was surprised how faded it looked. I thought something was messed up, but
74:55 thought something was messed up, but then like minutes later it was it was
74:56 then like minutes later it was it was all good. Yeah, you should try it
74:58 all good. Yeah, you should try it sometime, man.
74:59 sometime, man. >> I should Have you Have you ever tried
75:01 >> I should Have you Have you ever tried using a Patterson tank for developing?
75:03 using a Patterson tank for developing? Have you done that before?
75:04 Have you done that before? >> I haven't. Um I've had like people who I
75:08 >> I haven't. Um I've had like people who I I've asked to like emergency develop
75:10 I've asked to like emergency develop some films because I need to get a video
75:12 some films because I need to get a video out or something, but um and that's
75:14 out or something, but um and that's typically what they use. I assume that's
75:16 typically what they use. I assume that's what you use too, right? Yeah.
75:17 what you use too, right? Yeah. >> Do you have the full like setup with
75:19 >> Do you have the full like setup with like the machine thing that rotates it?
75:21 like the machine thing that rotates it? >> No. It makes it look It makes it look
75:23 >> No. It makes it look It makes it look way more complicated than it is. I can
75:25 way more complicated than it is. I can have I can have a roll of black and
75:26 have I can have a roll of black and white done and out of my dark room in
75:31 white done and out of my dark room in less than 20 minutes.
75:32 less than 20 minutes. >> Dude, that's kind of cool. That like
75:34 >> Dude, that's kind of cool. That like just the idea of going out to shoot
75:35 just the idea of going out to shoot something that day, coming home,
75:37 something that day, coming home, developing it in 20, 25 minutes,
75:39 developing it in 20, 25 minutes, whatever, and actually seeing your
75:41 whatever, and actually seeing your results
75:43 results on film is like such a cool concept.
75:46 on film is like such a cool concept. That to me gets me excited.
75:48 That to me gets me excited. >> It is. And it's it's easy as hell. You
75:50 >> It is. And it's it's easy as hell. You should do it. It's so easy, dude. I know
75:52 should do it. It's so easy, dude. I know you say you don't have time, but do it
75:53 you say you don't have time, but do it for one roll. It is It is not that much
75:55 for one roll. It is It is not that much to get involved. You can even do color.
75:57 to get involved. You can even do color. The C41 kits are $19. The Patterson tags
76:00 The C41 kits are $19. The Patterson tags 30 bucks.
76:01 30 bucks. >> I always feel like I'm not a 100% real
76:04 >> I always feel like I'm not a 100% real film photographer because I don't
76:05 film photographer because I don't develop my own film.
76:06 develop my own film. >> I could see for color. You Yeah, you
76:08 >> I could see for color. You Yeah, you shoot a lot and you put out way more
76:10 shoot a lot and you put out way more videos than me. Well, I don't know. At
76:11 videos than me. Well, I don't know. At this point, I'm probably putting out
76:13 this point, I'm probably putting out more videos, but your videos require
76:15 more videos, but your videos require more editing than the podcast.
76:16 more editing than the podcast. >> Quite long. Yeah. I've noticed you
76:18 >> Quite long. Yeah. I've noticed you putting out longer videos of higher
76:21 putting out longer videos of higher quality as opposed to trying to put out
76:22 quality as opposed to trying to put out a video every certain amount. You're
76:24 a video every certain amount. You're averaging what? One a month, one every
76:26 averaging what? One a month, one every three weeks, something like that.
76:27 three weeks, something like that. >> Yeah, I think the goal is one a month.
76:29 >> Yeah, I think the goal is one a month. Yeah. And then I might spit out some
76:31 Yeah. And then I might spit out some like smaller videos if uh if like the
76:34 like smaller videos if uh if like the subject is interesting or something like
76:35 subject is interesting or something like that. Yeah. If it's any compliment, my
76:38 that. Yeah. If it's any compliment, my fiance, who doesn't give a [ __ ] about
76:40 fiance, who doesn't give a [ __ ] about photography, one bit, is annoyed with
76:43 photography, one bit, is annoyed with every bit of my photography life, will
76:45 every bit of my photography life, will text me from work, be like, "Jason
76:47 text me from work, be like, "Jason released a new video. We're going to
76:48 released a new video. We're going to watch it tonight." And I'm like, "Oh,
76:50 watch it tonight." And I'm like, "Oh, great. Hell yeah." So, that means she
76:52 great. Hell yeah." So, that means she actively subscribes to your channel and
76:54 actively subscribes to your channel and she doesn't even subscribe to my
76:56 she doesn't even subscribe to my podcast.
76:56 podcast. >> Oh, damn.
76:58 >> Oh, damn. >> Yeah. I'm like, "Thanks for the support.
76:59 >> Yeah. I'm like, "Thanks for the support. I love you."
77:00 I love you." >> Do you watch it on like your like TV in
77:02 >> Do you watch it on like your like TV in your living room while you're like
77:03 your living room while you're like eating dinner and stuff?
77:04 eating dinner and stuff? >> Yeah.
77:04 >> Yeah. >> Oh, that's cool, man. That's really
77:06 >> Oh, that's cool, man. That's really awesome.
77:06 awesome. >> My kid is so excited that I'm talking to
77:08 >> My kid is so excited that I'm talking to you.
77:08 you. >> Oh, really?
77:09 >> Oh, really? >> Yeah. He's 11. He's like, "You're
77:10 >> Yeah. He's 11. He's like, "You're talking to Granny Days?" I'm like,
77:12 talking to Granny Days?" I'm like, "Yeah." He's like, "Is the podcast that
77:14 "Yeah." He's like, "Is the podcast that big?" I'm like, "No, I'm just that lucky
77:16 big?" I'm like, "No, I'm just that lucky right now, bud."
77:17 right now, bud." >> No, I think what you got going for the
77:18 >> No, I think what you got going for the podcast is like you're just having a
77:19 podcast is like you're just having a conversation. It doesn't feel like
77:21 conversation. It doesn't feel like forced or planned or anything. And like
77:23 forced or planned or anything. And like I appreciate that. I'm sure every other
77:24 I appreciate that. I'm sure every other guest you've had appreciates that. It
77:26 guest you've had appreciates that. It just feels like something different.
77:28 just feels like something different. >> I have the gift of being able to
77:29 >> I have the gift of being able to [ __ ] with people and stumble my way
77:30 [ __ ] with people and stumble my way through a conversation here and there.
77:32 through a conversation here and there. And it's just
77:34 And it's just >> I said it in an earlier podcast and I
77:36 >> I said it in an earlier podcast and I think it's people just like me better
77:37 think it's people just like me better when I'm bouncing off somebody else's
77:39 when I'm bouncing off somebody else's energy as opposed to just being the lone
77:41 energy as opposed to just being the lone talking head in front of the camera.
77:43 talking head in front of the camera. >> Yeah, you work better as like a duo or
77:44 >> Yeah, you work better as like a duo or something.
77:45 something. >> More of the wit comes out as opposed to
77:47 >> More of the wit comes out as opposed to the script.
77:48 the script. >> Yeah, you were dropping some crazy puns
77:50 >> Yeah, you were dropping some crazy puns earlier, so I totally believe you.
77:53 earlier, so I totally believe you. >> Uh do how much of yours is scripted?
77:55 >> Uh do how much of yours is scripted? >> I like my videos.
77:56 >> I like my videos. >> Your videos?
77:57 >> Your videos? >> Uh
77:59 >> Uh I don't know how to give like a straight
78:01 I don't know how to give like a straight answer on this. I would say it's like my
78:04 answer on this. I would say it's like my videos are outlined and the jokes are
78:06 videos are outlined and the jokes are kind of like mostly there. Like the
78:09 kind of like mostly there. Like the punchlines are there. Getting to the
78:10 punchlines are there. Getting to the punchlines is like it changes all the
78:13 punchlines is like it changes all the time. Have you ever seen like a stand-up
78:15 time. Have you ever seen like a stand-up comedian?
78:15 comedian? >> Yeah. Were you working on the bits?
78:17 >> Yeah. Were you working on the bits? >> Yeah. But like a stand-up comedian, if
78:19 >> Yeah. But like a stand-up comedian, if you go and see him one night and then go
78:20 you go and see him one night and then go back the second night, like the jokes
78:23 back the second night, like the jokes are going to be the same with like
78:24 are going to be the same with like little changes, like nothing substantial
78:26 little changes, like nothing substantial or anything. I kind of liken it to that
78:28 or anything. I kind of liken it to that a little bit where it's like it is like
78:31 a little bit where it's like it is like a preset
78:33 a preset thing, but it's not written out like
78:35 thing, but it's not written out like word for word or anything. It's it's
78:38 word for word or anything. It's it's kind of like I wish I could show you,
78:39 kind of like I wish I could show you, but it's like um okay, in this section
78:42 but it's like um okay, in this section like I want to talk about the legacy of
78:44 like I want to talk about the legacy of Kodak Gold or whatever and maybe you can
78:47 Kodak Gold or whatever and maybe you can make a joke about how like everybody
78:48 make a joke about how like everybody makes 200 ISO film now or something and
78:51 makes 200 ISO film now or something and so on and so forth. Come up come up with
78:52 so on and so forth. Come up come up with it on the day or something.
78:54 it on the day or something. >> I had to do that in college. They called
78:56 >> I had to do that in college. They called it an improvised speech where you just
78:58 it an improvised speech where you just had bulletin points and then you rift in
79:00 had bulletin points and then you rift in between that.
79:01 between that. >> Yeah, I improvised speech. Okay, that's
79:03 >> Yeah, I improvised speech. Okay, that's what I'm gonna start telling people from
79:04 what I'm gonna start telling people from now on. Um I think it's like akin to
79:06 now on. Um I think it's like akin to that. There is like a detailed outline
79:08 that. There is like a detailed outline for every video of just like make sure
79:10 for every video of just like make sure you hit these talking points because
79:12 you hit these talking points because somebody in the comments will light you
79:13 somebody in the comments will light you up if you don't, but otherwise like
79:16 up if you don't, but otherwise like Yeah,
79:16 Yeah, >> you need to get years right and little
79:18 >> you need to get years right and little facts here and there right. They will
79:20 facts here and there right. They will eat you alive.
79:21 eat you alive. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so crazy.
79:25 >> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so crazy. You have to like fact check everything
79:27 You have to like fact check everything and I still get stuff wrong.
79:29 and I still get stuff wrong. >> Oh yeah. Well, the thing is when you get
79:30 >> Oh yeah. Well, the thing is when you get stuff wrong, it drives engagement
79:31 stuff wrong, it drives engagement because then people will argue in the
79:33 because then people will argue in the comments about it.
79:34 comments about it. >> So, we're incentivizing the arguing at
79:36 >> So, we're incentivizing the arguing at this point.
79:36 this point. >> Yeah. Might as well just lie the whole
79:38 >> Yeah. Might as well just lie the whole video.
79:39 video. >> You should just put out one video of all
79:41 >> You should just put out one video of all lies and see how many agree. See how
79:43 lies and see how many agree. See how many disagree.
79:44 many disagree. >> Film photography was invented in 2012
79:47 >> Film photography was invented in 2012 and you can make Lommo Purple look like
79:49 and you can make Lommo Purple look like anything. You don't have to buy Portra
79:52 anything. You don't have to buy Portra 400. Have you shot purple?
79:54 400. Have you shot purple? >> Oh yeah, for sure. I've shot it so much
79:56 >> Oh yeah, for sure. I've shot it so much because I don't know if people were
79:58 because I don't know if people were messing with me, but they were like, you
79:59 messing with me, but they were like, you can make purple look like arerocchrome.
80:01 can make purple look like arerocchrome. >> Yeah. Okay.
80:02 >> Yeah. Okay. >> All the times. Like I kept trying it and
80:04 >> All the times. Like I kept trying it and trying it and I could never [ __ ] do
80:05 trying it and I could never [ __ ] do it.
80:05 it. >> Did you use the orange filter?
80:07 >> Did you use the orange filter? >> I've tried that. Yeah. No, no luck. I
80:09 >> I've tried that. Yeah. No, no luck. I think I don't know. I assume you've
80:11 think I don't know. I assume you've tried. You're having such a visceral
80:12 tried. You're having such a visceral reaction. No, because I've seen all
80:14 reaction. No, because I've seen all these comments and especially on there's
80:16 these comments and especially on there's this there's this one Reddit thread and
80:18 this there's this one Reddit thread and you've probably seen it where this guy's
80:19 you've probably seen it where this guy's like this is how this guy got his lomo
80:22 like this is how this guy got his lomo purple to look like arerocchrome and I
80:23 purple to look like arerocchrome and I click it and it's these gorgeous photos
80:25 click it and it's these gorgeous photos of like deer and stuff.
80:27 of like deer and stuff. >> I was like I got to try this and
80:29 >> I was like I got to try this and >> I almost bought a bulk box of it for 230
80:33 >> I almost bought a bulk box of it for 230 bucks,
80:34 bucks, >> you know. Yeah, I kind of gave up on
80:35 >> you know. Yeah, I kind of gave up on purple in that sense. I um but I have
80:39 purple in that sense. I um but I have heard that uh LMO turquoise you can
80:42 heard that uh LMO turquoise you can shoot it just no filter, no nothing.
80:45 shoot it just no filter, no nothing. It'll come out looking like uh turquoise
80:47 It'll come out looking like uh turquoise and orange or whatever. And then you
80:50 and orange or whatever. And then you take it after you scan it and invert the
80:52 take it after you scan it and invert the hue wheel 180 degrees. Does that make
80:55 hue wheel 180 degrees. Does that make any sense?
80:55 any sense? >> Yeah.
80:56 >> Yeah. >> And it looks it'll you might have to
80:58 >> And it looks it'll you might have to like wiggle it around a little bit and
80:59 like wiggle it around a little bit and see what you can do, but it kind of gets
81:02 see what you can do, but it kind of gets you there, you know, to like a air
81:04 you there, you know, to like a air chrome look. So, I'm I'm gonna try it in
81:06 chrome look. So, I'm I'm gonna try it in a video one of these days, but haven't
81:08 a video one of these days, but haven't gotten around to it.
81:09 gotten around to it. >> Man, your production schedule must be
81:11 >> Man, your production schedule must be insane.
81:11 insane. >> Yeah, I Yeah, definitely is.
81:13 >> Yeah, I Yeah, definitely is. >> You said you're not great at being your
81:14 >> You said you're not great at being your own boss because of time management and
81:16 own boss because of time management and stuff. Do you think if you managed
81:18 stuff. Do you think if you managed yourself better, you'd be happier in the
81:21 yourself better, you'd be happier in the long run with your videos and not quite
81:23 long run with your videos and not quite Do you procrastinate on the things and
81:26 Do you procrastinate on the things and then rush to do stuff or are you just
81:28 then rush to do stuff or are you just nitpicking the finished product over and
81:29 nitpicking the finished product over and over?
81:30 over? >> I think it definitely makes both. You
81:32 >> I think it definitely makes both. You know what the really the issue is? Like
81:35 know what the really the issue is? Like um here's a good example. Right before I
81:37 um here's a good example. Right before I left for this trip to South Dakota, I
81:39 left for this trip to South Dakota, I was working on uh a recent video I was
81:42 was working on uh a recent video I was doing about large format. And um it's an
81:45 doing about large format. And um it's an hour and a half long, which is like how
81:47 hour and a half long, which is like how long some movies are, right? So it's
81:49 long some movies are, right? So it's basically an hour and a half long
81:50 basically an hour and a half long documentary. It's not to the same level
81:52 documentary. It's not to the same level as like a Hollywood movie or anything
81:54 as like a Hollywood movie or anything like that, but it's still an hour and a
81:56 like that, but it's still an hour and a half. And I want as much of it as I can
81:58 half. And I want as much of it as I can to be perfect. So I'm working on that.
82:01 to be perfect. So I'm working on that. like from 7:00 a.m. to like midnight
82:04 like from 7:00 a.m. to like midnight every day for like a week and a half
82:06 every day for like a week and a half just trying to get it done, doing as
82:08 just trying to get it done, doing as much as I can before I have to leave for
82:09 much as I can before I have to leave for this trip to South Dakota. Meanwhile,
82:13 this trip to South Dakota. Meanwhile, another company is like hitting me up
82:16 another company is like hitting me up about like, "Hey, can you pump out a
82:17 about like, "Hey, can you pump out a video about this film stock or can you
82:19 video about this film stock or can you pump out a video about this camera?" And
82:20 pump out a video about this camera?" And I'm trying to like juggle that. I'm
82:22 I'm trying to like juggle that. I'm like, "Well, if you get the camera to me
82:24 like, "Well, if you get the camera to me before I go to South Dakota, I can do
82:26 before I go to South Dakota, I can do that video while I'm in South Dakota."
82:28 that video while I'm in South Dakota." And so I'm trying to like pre do
82:30 And so I'm trying to like pre do pre-production on videos that I haven't
82:32 pre-production on videos that I haven't even shot yet while I'm doing
82:35 even shot yet while I'm doing post-production on like this hour and a
82:37 post-production on like this hour and a half long documentary I guess you can
82:40 half long documentary I guess you can call it and it's just like you're trying
82:42 call it and it's just like you're trying to juggle like way too much crap and
82:46 to juggle like way too much crap and you know it it all just becomes
82:48 you know it it all just becomes overwhelming and then you know the
82:49 overwhelming and then you know the company gets back to you and it's like
82:50 company gets back to you and it's like we can't get to the the camera to you by
82:52 we can't get to the the camera to you by then. So you're like okay I'll worry
82:54 then. So you're like okay I'll worry about that later. I gotta worry about
82:56 about that later. I gotta worry about this and this. And
82:58 this and this. And to put it in simple terms, basically
83:01 to put it in simple terms, basically you're in pre-production, production,
83:03 you're in pre-production, production, and then post-production constantly. All
83:05 and then post-production constantly. All three of those things at the same time
83:07 three of those things at the same time for different videos at different times.
83:09 for different videos at different times. >> And it's just you.
83:10 >> And it's just you. >> It's just me. I'm the only guy who's got
83:12 >> It's just me. I'm the only guy who's got to make this, you know, boat sail. So,
83:15 to make this, you know, boat sail. So, it it is a lot. Yeah. Um, but it's still
83:19 it it is a lot. Yeah. Um, but it's still the best job I've ever had, I think.
83:22 the best job I've ever had, I think. Yeah. You ever feel like that? You're in
83:24 Yeah. You ever feel like that? You're in that world too, man.
83:25 that world too, man. >> I don't know. I kind of thrive in the
83:27 >> I don't know. I kind of thrive in the chaos of it a little bit. I because I
83:30 chaos of it a little bit. I because I came from screen printing and printing
83:32 came from screen printing and printing t-shirts non-stop and that world was
83:35 t-shirts non-stop and that world was chaos and I did that for 17 years before
83:37 chaos and I did that for 17 years before I transitioned over to I transitioned to
83:40 I transitioned over to I transitioned to design then photography and then there
83:42 design then photography and then there was a back injury and the back injury is
83:44 was a back injury and the back injury is why I had to transition into
83:46 why I had to transition into photography. And I don't know, there's I
83:49 photography. And I don't know, there's I feel pressure to do well in podcast.
83:52 feel pressure to do well in podcast. Like I definitely had the sweats before
83:53 Like I definitely had the sweats before doing every single episode.
83:55 doing every single episode. >> You'll get over it eventually. I think
83:57 >> You'll get over it eventually. I think >> it's already been I don't know. I'm
83:59 >> it's already been I don't know. I'm socially awkward. I hate I hate talking
84:01 socially awkward. I hate I hate talking to strangers. It's just I worry too much
84:04 to strangers. It's just I worry too much about what strangers think about me.
84:06 about what strangers think about me. >> Yeah, we all do. I think. You know, some
84:08 >> Yeah, we all do. I think. You know, some people are just better at showing it or
84:09 people are just better at showing it or not showing it.
84:10 not showing it. >> I don't care at this point. I just like
84:11 >> I don't care at this point. I just like talking about photography and meeting
84:13 talking about photography and meeting new people and bullshitting because I
84:16 new people and bullshitting because I don't I don't like where I live. I don't
84:18 don't I don't like where I live. I don't have a lot of outside interaction with
84:20 have a lot of outside interaction with people that aren't digital to me.
84:23 people that aren't digital to me. >> We stay in contact. It keeps me sane.
84:25 >> We stay in contact. It keeps me sane. And my 11-year-old my 11-year-old son
84:28 And my 11-year-old my 11-year-old son and my 13-year-old daughter are probably
84:29 and my 13-year-old daughter are probably my best friends at this point because
84:31 my best friends at this point because >> that's beautiful, man.
84:34 >> that's beautiful, man. >> It can be some until they turn me into a
84:37 >> It can be some until they turn me into a child. What photographers do you think
84:39 child. What photographers do you think are creating incredible work right now
84:40 are creating incredible work right now that you like?
84:41 that you like? >> I there's one person that comes to mind,
84:43 >> I there's one person that comes to mind, but they're like a good friend of mine.
84:46 but they're like a good friend of mine. The thing is I
84:49 The thing is I I wouldn't really say that I absorb
84:52 I wouldn't really say that I absorb other people's photography that much.
84:54 other people's photography that much. I'm kind of just like too focused on my
84:55 I'm kind of just like too focused on my own, which sounds like really
84:56 own, which sounds like really narcissistic and selfish, but I'm just
84:59 narcissistic and selfish, but I'm just like kind of I feel like I'm just in my
85:00 like kind of I feel like I'm just in my own lane trying to focus on how I can
85:02 own lane trying to focus on how I can make my own stuff better. And I feel,
85:05 make my own stuff better. And I feel, maybe some people can relate to this,
85:07 maybe some people can relate to this, maybe even you, where it's like I look
85:09 maybe even you, where it's like I look at other people's work and I'm like,
85:10 at other people's work and I'm like, damn, that was a good shot. And then I
85:12 damn, that was a good shot. And then I feel bad. And then I'm like, can I
85:15 feel bad. And then I'm like, can I change my style to be more like this so
85:17 change my style to be more like this so I can get better shots? Sometimes you
85:19 I can get better shots? Sometimes you look at like other people's work and
85:20 look at like other people's work and you're like, how can I make my stuff
85:22 you're like, how can I make my stuff more like that? When you should really
85:23 more like that? When you should really be like, what can I take from that? or
85:26 be like, what can I take from that? or like how can I build upon what I'm
85:27 like how can I build upon what I'm already doing to get to that that level,
85:30 already doing to get to that that level, not so much like how do I change to be
85:33 not so much like how do I change to be become that. Does that make any sense?
85:35 become that. Does that make any sense? >> It does. You're you don't like the
85:36 >> It does. You're you don't like the process of comparing yourself to someone
85:38 process of comparing yourself to someone else's work because you're afraid of how
85:39 else's work because you're afraid of how much it might influence your work.
85:41 much it might influence your work. >> Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.
85:42 >> Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Um
85:44 Um and like it's just a natural thing to
85:46 and like it's just a natural thing to compare yourself and like I feel like if
85:47 compare yourself and like I feel like if I spend too much time looking at
85:49 I spend too much time looking at someone's work, I'll just start
85:50 someone's work, I'll just start comparing my my own work to it. And I
85:52 comparing my my own work to it. And I think that kind of becomes a problem to
85:53 think that kind of becomes a problem to the creative process. I think you're
85:55 the creative process. I think you're right. It because I compare myself to
85:58 right. It because I compare myself to other people's work all the time and it
86:01 other people's work all the time and it makes me unhappy with it sometimes, but
86:03 makes me unhappy with it sometimes, but then other people see some of the work
86:04 then other people see some of the work I'm doing and they're like, "Oh my god,
86:05 I'm doing and they're like, "Oh my god, this is incredible." But I can only see
86:07 this is incredible." But I can only see what's wrong with that image. And maybe
86:09 what's wrong with that image. And maybe it's because I'm too close to the
86:11 it's because I'm too close to the project.
86:11 project. >> Yeah. Well, I think that goes back again
86:13 >> Yeah. Well, I think that goes back again to the whole like why do you hate on
86:15 to the whole like why do you hate on your your own work so much? It's because
86:16 your your own work so much? It's because you're too close to it. You can't look
86:18 you're too close to it. You can't look at it objectively anymore. And so when
86:21 at it objectively anymore. And so when you try to look at it from a subjective
86:23 you try to look at it from a subjective point of view, you're like, "Well, I was
86:24 point of view, you're like, "Well, I was there. I know I could have done it
86:25 there. I know I could have done it better. This, that, or the other." And
86:27 better. This, that, or the other." And it it just turns into this spiral and
86:29 it it just turns into this spiral and you kind of have to try and take a step
86:30 you kind of have to try and take a step back and looking at other people's work
86:32 back and looking at other people's work kind of throws in this like curveball
86:34 kind of throws in this like curveball that makes you think, why isn't my work
86:36 that makes you think, why isn't my work as good as theirs, you know? And it just
86:39 as good as theirs, you know? And it just becomes a whole thing that you kind of
86:41 becomes a whole thing that you kind of just have to be good get good at. You
86:43 just have to be good get good at. You said something in an old video where you
86:46 said something in an old video where you said you weren't really comfortable with
86:47 said you weren't really comfortable with shooting landscape photography. Uh I
86:51 shooting landscape photography. Uh I thought you were a landscape
86:52 thought you were a landscape photographer for the most I I would
86:54 photographer for the most I I would compare a lot of the stuff you do to
86:55 compare a lot of the stuff you do to landscape photography. It's just more
86:57 landscape photography. It's just more like
86:59 like I don't want to say cityscapes, but
87:00 I don't want to say cityscapes, but you're like documenting Americana
87:02 you're like documenting Americana almost.
87:02 almost. >> Yeah. There's no real like good word for
87:04 >> Yeah. There's no real like good word for it. You know, you could say you're like
87:06 it. You know, you could say you're like a roadscape photographer, but that
87:08 a roadscape photographer, but that sounds kind of
87:09 sounds kind of >> That's not bad.
87:10 >> That's not bad. >> Yeah. Could work. Yeah. Um,
87:15 >> Yeah. Could work. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. There's no good. It's like a
87:17 yeah. Yeah. There's no good. It's like a mix of everything. I would you say
87:19 mix of everything. I would you say across the board you're a landscape
87:21 across the board you're a landscape photographer? Like that's all you shoot?
87:22 photographer? Like that's all you shoot? You don't shoot portraits or
87:24 You don't shoot portraits or architecture?
87:25 architecture? >> Digital. I will shoot portrait. Film is
87:28 >> Digital. I will shoot portrait. Film is mostly landscape. Sometimes I'll take
87:30 mostly landscape. Sometimes I'll take the digital camera out for vacations
87:33 the digital camera out for vacations just so I can make sure I get photos of
87:35 just so I can make sure I get photos of the kids and stuff, but
87:36 the kids and stuff, but >> yeah, absolutely. The last vacation I
87:39 >> yeah, absolutely. The last vacation I just shot film.
87:42 just shot film. >> Yeah.
87:42 >> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I was happy about it. And
87:45 >> Yeah. And I was happy about it. And they're not they're not the greatest
87:46 they're not they're not the greatest photos, but they're more fun. They feel
87:49 photos, but they're more fun. They feel more fun. They they remind me of my
87:51 more fun. They they remind me of my childhood photo albums when I would look
87:53 childhood photo albums when I would look through them at my mom's.
87:54 through them at my mom's. >> Yeah. Yeah. One day you'll look back at
87:56 >> Yeah. Yeah. One day you'll look back at that, too. Get once you have some like
87:58 that, too. Get once you have some like time distance from it. I would put money
88:00 time distance from it. I would put money down on it that you'll look back and be
88:02 down on it that you'll look back and be like, "These are great. These are
88:03 like, "These are great. These are fantastic." I don't know what I was
88:04 fantastic." I don't know what I was thinking at the I know you're tired and
88:06 thinking at the I know you're tired and I'm tired and concussed and
88:08 I'm tired and concussed and >> Yeah, dude. I hope you're not concussed,
88:10 >> Yeah, dude. I hope you're not concussed, man.
88:11 man. >> 100%.
88:12 >> 100%. >> Dude, you gota be careful with that. I I
88:14 >> Dude, you gota be careful with that. I I I feel like I had a concussion when I
88:17 I feel like I had a concussion when I was like uh a lot younger. I was like
88:19 was like uh a lot younger. I was like sledding and I smacked the back of my
88:20 sledding and I smacked the back of my head on the back of the sled cuz we went
88:22 head on the back of the sled cuz we went over a bump.
88:23 over a bump. >> And dude, it was like killer. But
88:25 >> And dude, it was like killer. But >> I feel like I've been a different person
88:27 >> I feel like I've been a different person ever since.
88:28 ever since. >> It'll change you, man. Maybe I'll be a
88:29 >> It'll change you, man. Maybe I'll be a nicer person. Is there any advice you'd
88:32 nicer person. Is there any advice you'd want to give to someone that is trying
88:34 want to give to someone that is trying to develop their own visual voice
88:35 to develop their own visual voice without overthinking it?
88:37 without overthinking it? >> There's like two answers to this.
88:38 >> There's like two answers to this. There's the simple answer and then
88:39 There's the simple answer and then there's like the technical deep answer.
88:41 there's like the technical deep answer. I'll just go with the simple one.
88:44 I'll just go with the simple one. Be the biggest fan of your own work.
88:47 Be the biggest fan of your own work. Does that make sense? Not in like a
88:48 Does that make sense? Not in like a narcissistic way. Like don't be Quint
88:51 narcissistic way. Like don't be Quint Tarantino about how he feels about all
88:54 Tarantino about how he feels about all all of his movies, you know? just like
88:56 all of his movies, you know? just like love your own work and be excited about
88:57 love your own work and be excited about your own work and try and understand
89:00 your own work and try and understand what it is you like about your own work
89:02 what it is you like about your own work and try and grow it and evolve it is
89:04 and try and grow it and evolve it is what I mean by that.
89:05 what I mean by that. >> I think that is great advice. All right,
89:06 >> I think that is great advice. All right, I appreciate it, man. I hope you have a
89:07 I appreciate it, man. I hope you have a good night and hopefully I hear from you
89:09 good night and hopefully I hear from you again.
89:10 again. >> Thank you so much. Thanks so much for uh
89:12 >> Thank you so much. Thanks so much for uh chatting all night. I appreciate you
89:14 chatting all night. I appreciate you taking the time and I'm excited to see
89:16 taking the time and I'm excited to see what comes of it.
89:17 what comes of it. >> Awesome, man. Have a good night.
89:19 >> Awesome, man. Have a good night. >> All right. You too, man.
89:22 >> All right. You too, man. [Music]
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