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I'm joined by resolve and golden sound

I'm joined by resolve and golden sound today and we've decided to fight we're

today and we've decided to fight we're

today and we've decided to fight we're making a tier list and to do so we made

making a tier list and to do so we made

making a tier list and to do so we made three separate tier lists we're going to

three separate tier lists we're going to

three separate tier lists we're going to compare what each of us has ranked over

compare what each of us has ranked over

compare what each of us has ranked over 200 headphones as uh and and fight about

200 headphones as uh and and fight about

200 headphones as uh and and fight about it so here you

go so going into this this is uh we need

go so going into this this is uh we need some dis disclaimers and talk a little

some dis disclaimers and talk a little

some dis disclaimers and talk a little bit about the setup uh first yes

bit about the setup uh first yes

bit about the setup uh first yes we actually tried to do this ranking

we actually tried to do this ranking

we actually tried to do this ranking list before already and just came to the

list before already and just came to the

list before already and just came to the conclusion that we all

conclusion that we all

conclusion that we all disagree um and we also disagree about

disagree um and we also disagree about

disagree um and we also disagree about like how to do the setup so this is

like how to do the setup so this is

like how to do the setup so this is round two trying again uh just where we

round two trying again uh just where we

round two trying again uh just where we made our own I don't know how you guys

made our own I don't know how you guys

made our own I don't know how you guys informed yours mine was basically

informed yours mine was basically

informed yours mine was basically structured similarly to the way that Ken

structured similarly to the way that Ken

structured similarly to the way that Ken does his tonal technical dichotomy where

does his tonal technical dichotomy where

does his tonal technical dichotomy where basically he gives a tone score tonal

basically he gives a tone score tonal

basically he gives a tone score tonal score and then a technical score I

score and then a technical score I

score and then a technical score I obviously don't like those words I like

obviously don't like those words I like

obviously don't like those words I like to think of it more along the lines of

to think of it more along the lines of

to think of it more along the lines of like sound signature and then the

like sound signature and then the

like sound signature and then the subjective experience you know so there

subjective experience you know so there

subjective experience you know so there is goodness to be found in both and

is goodness to be found in both and

is goodness to be found in both and Badness to be found in both and that's

Badness to be found in both and that's

Badness to be found in both and that's kind of what informed my list here but

kind of what informed my list here but

kind of what informed my list here but how did you guys come up with uh your

how did you guys come up with uh your

how did you guys come up with uh your ranking well people have always asked me

ranking well people have always asked me

ranking well people have always asked me to do just purely a sound quality tier

to do just purely a sound quality tier

to do just purely a sound quality tier list so I did mine just one column

list so I did mine just one column

list so I did mine just one column purely sound quality in my dream world I

purely sound quality in my dream world I

purely sound quality in my dream world I think the perfect list is one that does

think the perfect list is one that does

think the perfect list is one that does has rankings for like sound quality and

has rankings for like sound quality and

has rankings for like sound quality and comfort you know like tamber like all

comfort you know like tamber like all

comfort you know like tamber like all these other various like tonal qualities

these other various like tonal qualities

these other various like tonal qualities but this time I did only strictly sound

but this time I did only strictly sound

but this time I did only strictly sound quality in one column and obviously

quality in one column and obviously

quality in one column and obviously that's that's going to be subjective

that's that's going to be subjective

that's that's going to be subjective like a gut reaction sound quality like

like a gut reaction sound quality like

like a gut reaction sound quality like how you feel about it sound quality wise

how you feel about it sound quality wise

how you feel about it sound quality wise got reaction to sound quality and

got reaction to sound quality and

got reaction to sound quality and including some things that I know from

including some things that I know from

including some things that I know from the community like I I put ssar in a

the community like I I put ssar in a

the community like I I put ssar in a higher tier than I personally enjoy it

higher tier than I personally enjoy it

higher tier than I personally enjoy it for but I know that a lot of people

for but I know that a lot of people

for but I know that a lot of people consider that to be a very good sounding

consider that to be a very good sounding

consider that to be a very good sounding headphone so at a certain

headphone so at a certain

headphone so at a certain point we're also considering weighted

point we're also considering weighted

point we're also considering weighted subjectivity yeah like we're also

subjectivity yeah like we're also

subjectivity yeah like we're also considering how

considering how

considering how we expect this stuff to be received by

we expect this stuff to be received by

we expect this stuff to be received by you know a wide range of people not just

you know a wide range of people not just

you know a wide range of people not just ourselves yes and and uh golden mine's

ourselves yes and and uh golden mine's

ourselves yes and and uh golden mine's pretty much the same I've gone for just

pretty much the same I've gone for just

pretty much the same I've gone for just straight up sound quality I'm looking at

straight up sound quality I'm looking at

straight up sound quality I'm looking at sort of tonality and Technical

sort of tonality and Technical

sort of tonality and Technical performance all is one thing uh the only

performance all is one thing uh the only

performance all is one thing uh the only thing I'm sort of knocking things down

thing I'm sort of knocking things down

thing I'm sort of knocking things down for a little bit is obviously practical

for a little bit is obviously practical

for a little bit is obviously practical and comfort uses that's something which

and comfort uses that's something which

and comfort uses that's something which I'm thinking about but for the most part

I'm thinking about but for the most part

I'm thinking about but for the most part this is just sound quality the other

this is just sound quality the other

this is just sound quality the other consideration here is that this is is no

consideration here is that this is is no

consideration here is that this is is no EQ applied right so no aftermarket pads

EQ applied right so no aftermarket pads

EQ applied right so no aftermarket pads no custom eqs um just kind of like what

no custom eqs um just kind of like what

no custom eqs um just kind of like what you get when you buy the thing right

you get when you buy the thing right

you get when you buy the thing right were EQ or pads involved in this list

were EQ or pads involved in this list

were EQ or pads involved in this list this list would be very different yeah

this list would be very different yeah

this list would be very different yeah there's a lot of headphones in here

there's a lot of headphones in here

there's a lot of headphones in here which I've ranked quite low because of

which I've ranked quite low because of

which I've ranked quite low because of certain issues which are really easy to

certain issues which are really easy to

certain issues which are really easy to fix or headphones which I've ranked high

fix or headphones which I've ranked high

fix or headphones which I've ranked high but others I would pick above them if I

but others I would pick above them if I

but others I would pick above them if I was able to use EQ yeah and so far our

was able to use EQ yeah and so far our

was able to use EQ yeah and so far our tiers here we we go all the way up to s+

tiers here we we go all the way up to s+

tiers here we we go all the way up to s+ and I I actually don't have any

and I I actually don't have any

and I I actually don't have any headphones in s+ in my list because s+

headphones in s+ in my list because s+

headphones in s+ in my list because s+ is only reserved for with EQ that's

is only reserved for with EQ that's

is only reserved for with EQ that's basically how I see it fair enough I

basically how I see it fair enough I

basically how I see it fair enough I only have like two in s+ I do have a

only have like two in s+ I do have a

only have like two in s+ I do have a number of headphones in the how did this

number of headphones in the how did this

number of headphones in the how did this happen tier yes so that's the other side

happen tier yes so that's the other side

happen tier yes so that's the other side of it where basically there are ones

of it where basically there are ones

of it where basically there are ones that we haven't heard but then there are

that we haven't heard but then there are

that we haven't heard but then there are also ones that are just flat out

also ones that are just flat out

also ones that are just flat out terrible headphones that should not

terrible headphones that should not

terrible headphones that should not exist

exist

exist that are let's say offensive to the

that are let's say offensive to the

that are let's say offensive to the community in in some respect um you know

community in in some respect um you know

community in in some respect um you know the fact that they are things that

the fact that they are things that

the fact that they are things that people can buy is a shame that's how I

people can buy is a shame that's how I

people can buy is a shame that's how I would put

would put

would put it the existence of said product makes

it the existence of said product makes

it the existence of said product makes the entirety of our timeline worse one

the entirety of our timeline worse one

the entirety of our timeline worse one other thing that comes to mind is uh we

other thing that comes to mind is uh we

other thing that comes to mind is uh we definitely have not had the chance to

definitely have not had the chance to

definitely have not had the chance to hear everything there are definitely

hear everything there are definitely

hear everything there are definitely going to be headphones that aren't on

going to be headphones that aren't on

going to be headphones that aren't on this list that probably should be on

this list that probably should be on

this list that probably should be on this list we haven't been able to you

this list we haven't been able to you

this list we haven't been able to you know scour the globe for every single

know scour the globe for every single

know scour the globe for every single headphone to put it here um so but we

headphone to put it here um so but we

headphone to put it here um so but we still have about 200 headphones on here

still have about 200 headphones on here

still have about 200 headphones on here which is a lot well a little under 200

which is a lot well a little under 200

which is a lot well a little under 200 so if you have a headphone that uh is

so if you have a headphone that uh is

so if you have a headphone that uh is not on this list that you feel should be

not on this list that you feel should be

not on this list that you feel should be on this list definitely uh note that in

on this list definitely uh note that in

on this list definitely uh note that in the comments and then we'll consider it

the comments and then we'll consider it

the comments and then we'll consider it for next time it's also a good indicator

for next time it's also a good indicator

for next time it's also a good indicator of things that we should look out for to

of things that we should look out for to

of things that we should look out for to try and review the last thing that I

try and review the last thing that I

try and review the last thing that I want to say about this is I think people

want to say about this is I think people

want to say about this is I think people are bound to come at this I mean it's

are bound to come at this I mean it's

are bound to come at this I mean it's guaranteed that people are going to come

guaranteed that people are going to come

guaranteed that people are going to come at this with the intention of validating

at this with the intention of validating

at this with the intention of validating their purchases and then are going to

their purchases and then are going to

their purchases and then are going to come and then come away from it you know

come and then come away from it you know

come and then come away from it you know realizing that oh the headphone that

realizing that oh the headphone that

realizing that oh the headphone that they have or that they love is in a

they have or that they love is in a

they have or that they love is in a lower tier for us so the disclaimer

lower tier for us so the disclaimer

lower tier for us so the disclaimer there is that like this is this is just

there is that like this is this is just

there is that like this is this is just like three [ __ ] online talking

like three [ __ ] online talking

like three [ __ ] online talking about headphones if you have a product

about headphones if you have a product

about headphones if you have a product that is lower ranked on our lists here

that is lower ranked on our lists here

that is lower ranked on our lists here or any of our lists but you love it then

or any of our lists but you love it then

or any of our lists but you love it then that's great like this is not meant to

that's great like this is not meant to

that's great like this is not meant to be you know your your opinions or your

be you know your your opinions or your

be you know your your opinions or your tastes are terrible or whatever um they

tastes are terrible or whatever um they

tastes are terrible or whatever um they just might not like up with ours right

just might not like up with ours right

just might not like up with ours right and we're excluding really important

and we're excluding really important

and we're excluding really important things like comfort and build quality

things like comfort and build quality

things like comfort and build quality and appearance and packaging and just a

and appearance and packaging and just a

and appearance and packaging and just a lot of other facets that do affect the

lot of other facets that do affect the

lot of other facets that do affect the enduser experience this is just our

enduser experience this is just our

enduser experience this is just our opinion this is not necessarily the

opinion this is not necessarily the

opinion this is not necessarily the correct ranking list we don't even agree

correct ranking list we don't even agree

correct ranking list we don't even agree with each other on all of these so uh if

with each other on all of these so uh if

with each other on all of these so uh if you see something which you disagree

you see something which you disagree

you see something which you disagree with that's totally fine your opinion

with that's totally fine your opinion

with that's totally fine your opinion might differ and I think that's kind of

might differ and I think that's kind of

might differ and I think that's kind of the point the fact that we couldn't come

the point the fact that we couldn't come

the point the fact that we couldn't come up with a singular list among the three

up with a singular list among the three

up with a singular list among the three of us because we disagree so strongly um

of us because we disagree so strongly um

of us because we disagree so strongly um it's kind of the the indication that

it's kind of the the indication that

it's kind of the the indication that like we shouldn't all just you know have

like we shouldn't all just you know have

like we shouldn't all just you know have everything be boiled down to one

everything be boiled down to one

everything be boiled down to one person's opinion um we're pretty close

person's opinion um we're pretty close

person's opinion um we're pretty close on a lot of it though it's not uh we

on a lot of it though it's not uh we

on a lot of it though it's not uh we haven't got three completely separate

haven't got three completely separate

haven't got three completely separate lists it's just there's a few

lists it's just there's a few

lists it's just there's a few interesting uh entries here where we've

interesting uh entries here where we've

interesting uh entries here where we've got some fairly different results yeah

got some fairly different results yeah

got some fairly different results yeah so there is there is definitely some

so there is there is definitely some

so there is there is definitely some consensus and a lot of it is like I can

consensus and a lot of it is like I can

consensus and a lot of it is like I can see how you would get there um I think

see how you would get there um I think

see how you would get there um I think this is bound to break some hearts um

this is bound to break some hearts um

this is bound to break some hearts um but I want folks to remember that our

but I want folks to remember that our

but I want folks to remember that our job here is to tell the truth about

job here is to tell the truth about

job here is to tell the truth about these products to the best of our

these products to the best of our

these products to the best of our ability and ultimately a tier list is

ability and ultimately a tier list is

ability and ultimately a tier list is super reductive to um you know a

super reductive to um you know a

super reductive to um you know a headphones performance and so there

headphones performance and so there

headphones performance and so there might be headphones that sound totally

might be headphones that sound totally

might be headphones that sound totally different from one another that are in

different from one another that are in

different from one another that are in the same tier um and so just because

the same tier um and so just because

the same tier um and so just because it's in the same tier doesn't mean that

it's in the same tier doesn't mean that

it's in the same tier doesn't mean that we're saying this sounds as you know the

we're saying this sounds as you know the

we're saying this sounds as you know the same as this other thing um I think

same as this other thing um I think

same as this other thing um I think that's that's an important thing to to

that's that's an important thing to to

that's that's an important thing to to consider as well so without of the way

consider as well so without of the way

consider as well so without of the way all those caveats and disclaimers and

all those caveats and disclaimers and

all those caveats and disclaimers and all of that good stuff out of the way

all of that good stuff out of the way

all of that good stuff out of the way let's dive into the tier list and we'll

let's dive into the tier list and we'll

let's dive into the tier list and we'll start

start

start with start with the A's and the top one

with start with the A's and the top one

with start with the A's and the top one is Abyss the first one on the list here

is Abyss the first one on the list here

is Abyss the first one on the list here is the Diana TC um I ranked this one in

is the Diana TC um I ranked this one in

is the Diana TC um I ranked this one in a with a tone grade of b and a technical

a with a tone grade of b and a technical

a with a tone grade of b and a technical grade of s uh how did you guys rank

grade of s uh how did you guys rank

grade of s uh how did you guys rank these I ranked that as an a tier uh I

these I ranked that as an a tier uh I

these I ranked that as an a tier uh I had that one lower I had it as a b tier

had that one lower I had it as a b tier

had that one lower I had it as a b tier just because the what the technicalities

just because the what the technicalities

just because the what the technicalities a s tier definitely uh it's the most

a s tier definitely uh it's the most

a s tier definitely uh it's the most technical of the Diana series the treble

technical of the Diana series the treble

technical of the Diana series the treble just didn't quite sit well with me I

just didn't quite sit well with me I

just didn't quite sit well with me I think that is just me though I know

think that is just me though I know

think that is just me though I know plenty of other people who like it but

plenty of other people who like it but

plenty of other people who like it but for me that just knocked it down to a b

for me that just knocked it down to a b

for me that just knocked it down to a b Diana V2 um how did you guys rate this

Diana V2 um how did you guys rate this

Diana V2 um how did you guys rate this uh B I had that as a b as well uh that

uh B I had that as a b as well uh that

uh B I had that as a b as well uh that one was a little bit the opposite I like

one was a little bit the opposite I like

one was a little bit the opposite I like the tonality quite a bit more but it's

the tonality quite a bit more but it's

the tonality quite a bit more but it's less technical than the Diana TC but it

less technical than the Diana TC but it

less technical than the Diana TC but it ended up overall about the same place I

ended up overall about the same place I

ended up overall about the same place I also had it in B tier uh tone B and

also had it in B tier uh tone B and

also had it in B tier uh tone B and Technical

Technical

Technical a Diana Mr Mr was my first s tier I was

a Diana Mr Mr was my first s tier I was

a Diana Mr Mr was my first s tier I was listening to that actually I listened to

listening to that actually I listened to

listening to that actually I listened to it again this week it's genuinely insane

it again this week it's genuinely insane

it again this week it's genuinely insane and I think it's the best thing they've

and I think it's the best thing they've

and I think it's the best thing they've ever made by a massive margin I don't

ever made by a massive margin I don't

ever made by a massive margin I don't know if I like it more than the

know if I like it more than the

know if I like it more than the 1266 just the the 1266 which we'll talk

1266 just the the 1266 which we'll talk

1266 just the the 1266 which we'll talk about in a sec is its own thing uh

about in a sec is its own thing uh

about in a sec is its own thing uh that's my favorite Diana for sure though

that's my favorite Diana for sure though

that's my favorite Diana for sure though that's in s tier for me both in

that's in s tier for me both in

that's in s tier for me both in technicalities and in

technicalities and in

technicalities and in tuning and I haven't heard it so I am

tuning and I haven't heard it so I am

tuning and I haven't heard it so I am going to abstain it's an X tier for me X

going to abstain it's an X tier for me X

going to abstain it's an X tier for me X going to give it to you all right uh

going to give it to you all right uh

going to give it to you all right uh moving on to the ab1266

moving on to the ab1266

moving on to the ab1266 FTC um I gave this one a b tier but this

FTC um I gave this one a b tier but this

FTC um I gave this one a b tier but this is weird because the tone this is why I

is weird because the tone this is why I

is weird because the tone this is why I wanted to break it up into tonal and

wanted to break it up into tonal and

wanted to break it up into tonal and subjective right I'm just calling it

subjective right I'm just calling it

subjective right I'm just calling it that yeah I gave it a d for tonal and S

that yeah I gave it a d for tonal and S

that yeah I gave it a d for tonal and S for for subjective um so it is a very

for for subjective um so it is a very

for for subjective um so it is a very polarizing headphone it's very I feel

polarizing headphone it's very I feel

polarizing headphone it's very I feel unfair to say oh it's s tier or it's D

unfair to say oh it's s tier or it's D

unfair to say oh it's s tier or it's D tier it doesn't really belong in either

tier it doesn't really belong in either

tier it doesn't really belong in either of those so unfortunately I had to put

of those so unfortunately I had to put

of those so unfortunately I had to put it in the middle I uh I ranked this one

it in the middle I uh I ranked this one

it in the middle I uh I ranked this one in s tier as well and I'm similar kind

in s tier as well and I'm similar kind

in s tier as well and I'm similar kind of logic with you I the tuning on it is

of logic with you I the tuning on it is

of logic with you I the tuning on it is weird anyone who says that it's the most

weird anyone who says that it's the most

weird anyone who says that it's the most neutral transparent sounding it's it's

neutral transparent sounding it's it's

neutral transparent sounding it's it's not it's just not I'm sorry the tuning

not it's just not I'm sorry the tuning

not it's just not I'm sorry the tuning is wacky but in a way that really kind

is wacky but in a way that really kind

is wacky but in a way that really kind of works especially with a lot of

of works especially with a lot of

of works especially with a lot of electronic music and the technical

electronic music and the technical

electronic music and the technical performance is great and I absolutely

performance is great and I absolutely

performance is great and I absolutely love them I did buy a pair so even

love them I did buy a pair so even

love them I did buy a pair so even though the tuning is not neutral it's

though the tuning is not neutral it's

though the tuning is not neutral it's really weird I love it and I put it in

really weird I love it and I put it in

really weird I love it and I put it in S2 and and this is just just a note here

S2 and and this is just just a note here

S2 and and this is just just a note here this is kind of what I mean when like

this is kind of what I mean when like

this is kind of what I mean when like we're talking about like some of the

we're talking about like some of the

we're talking about like some of the more fine grained FR quirks that exist

more fine grained FR quirks that exist

more fine grained FR quirks that exist are potentially enjoyable to people even

are potentially enjoyable to people even

are potentially enjoyable to people even if the overall wide band like the

if the overall wide band like the

if the overall wide band like the overall cor grain tuning is batchet

overall cor grain tuning is batchet

overall cor grain tuning is batchet crazy I kind of did what you did Andrew

crazy I kind of did what you did Andrew

crazy I kind of did what you did Andrew and I averaged it and I ended up in a

and I averaged it and I ended up in a

and I averaged it and I ended up in a tier because the technical abilities of

tier because the technical abilities of

tier because the technical abilities of it are insane but the tuning is a little

it are insane but the tuning is a little

it are insane but the tuning is a little bit weird to me so I kind of just met it

bit weird to me so I kind of just met it

bit weird to me so I kind of just met it in the middle and put it an a next up is

in the middle and put it an a next up is

in the middle and put it an a next up is AKG

AKG

AKG k371 I put both of those the 371 and 361

k371 I put both of those the 371 and 361

k371 I put both of those the 371 and 361 in B tier me too yeah I'm in B tier as

in B tier me too yeah I'm in B tier as

in B tier me too yeah I'm in B tier as well for me it was tonality is a tier

well for me it was tonality is a tier

well for me it was tonality is a tier but the subjective is C tier so B tier

but the subjective is C tier so B tier

but the subjective is C tier so B tier um I haven't heard any of the rest of

um I haven't heard any of the rest of

um I haven't heard any of the rest of the akg's so I will defer to you guys on

the akg's so I will defer to you guys on

the akg's so I will defer to you guys on those uh those are the only ones I've

those uh those are the only ones I've

those uh those are the only ones I've heard as well so DMS you're going to

heard as well so DMS you're going to

heard as well so DMS you're going to have to take this one 612 Pro 712 Pro I

have to take this one 612 Pro 712 Pro I

have to take this one 612 Pro 712 Pro I both put in C tier 701 702 I put in D

both put in C tier 701 702 I put in D

both put in C tier 701 702 I put in D tier and that's probably where I'd put

tier and that's probably where I'd put

tier and that's probably where I'd put the 7xx also yeah so I have actually

the 7xx also yeah so I have actually

the 7xx also yeah so I have actually heard the 7xx but it's been so long and

heard the 7xx but it's been so long and

heard the 7xx but it's been so long and that I don't remember it so I don't

that I don't remember it so I don't

that I don't remember it so I don't think it's fair for me to judge it yeah

think it's fair for me to judge it yeah

think it's fair for me to judge it yeah I mean they were good for their time the

I mean they were good for their time the

I mean they were good for their time the thing is is that they're not really as

thing is is that they're not really as

thing is is that they're not really as functionally relevant today CU

functionally relevant today CU

functionally relevant today CU headphones have gotten a lot better now

headphones have gotten a lot better now

headphones have gotten a lot better now we're on to Odyssey and the first one on

we're on to Odyssey and the first one on

we're on to Odyssey and the first one on the list is the mm100 and I think you're

the list is the mm100 and I think you're

the list is the mm100 and I think you're the only one who's heard that one DMS no

the only one who's heard that one DMS no

the only one who's heard that one DMS no I've had this one yeah I put that in uh

I've had this one yeah I put that in uh

I've had this one yeah I put that in uh a b tier oh the Cameron heard that also

a b tier oh the Cameron heard that also

a b tier oh the Cameron heard that also yeah

yeah

yeah yeah yeah I put that in B tier it's like

yeah yeah I put that in B tier it's like

yeah yeah I put that in B tier it's like alternate Sara basically um

alternate Sara basically um

alternate Sara basically um I mean both of them measure good but

I mean both of them measure good but

I mean both of them measure good but it's it's very much just like the

it's it's very much just like the

it's it's very much just like the inverse of sindara and the treble it's

inverse of sindara and the treble it's

inverse of sindara and the treble it's got more like of that two to3 khz and

got more like of that two to3 khz and

got more like of that two to3 khz and less of the treble above that so like

less of the treble above that so like

less of the treble above that so like like Sara with more ear gain and less

like Sara with more ear gain and less

like Sara with more ear gain and less brightness you're like cnar with more

brightness you're like cnar with more

brightness you're like cnar with more ear gain and less

ear gain and less

ear gain and less brightness I'll take that as a

brightness I'll take that as a

brightness I'll take that as a compliment

compliment

compliment sure yeah I felt I felt pretty similar

sure yeah I felt I felt pretty similar

sure yeah I felt I felt pretty similar to it um in comparison to the mm500 I

to it um in comparison to the mm500 I

to it um in comparison to the mm500 I think I like the tuning of the mm100

think I like the tuning of the mm100

think I like the tuning of the mm100 more but the mm500 is quite a bit more

more but the mm500 is quite a bit more

more but the mm500 is quite a bit more technical so overall I ended up in a B

technical so overall I ended up in a B

technical so overall I ended up in a B for that one okay moving on um LCD 1 I

for that one okay moving on um LCD 1 I

for that one okay moving on um LCD 1 I give this one a b tier with a tone grade

give this one a b tier with a tone grade

give this one a b tier with a tone grade of b and a subjective grade of C uh C

of b and a subjective grade of C uh C

of b and a subjective grade of C uh C tier haven't had this one LCD GX I also

tier haven't had this one LCD GX I also

tier haven't had this one LCD GX I also gave it a b tier with just B's across

gave it a b tier with just B's across

gave it a b tier with just B's across the board C tier for me I went one lower

the board C tier for me I went one lower

the board C tier for me I went one lower I went C just cuz the tonality uh the

I went C just cuz the tonality uh the

I went C just cuz the tonality uh the tuning was not quite there for me but uh

tuning was not quite there for me but uh

tuning was not quite there for me but uh yeah that's I would I wouldn't be angry

yeah that's I would I wouldn't be angry

yeah that's I would I wouldn't be angry to B but I I think c y I think that

to B but I I think c y I think that

to B but I I think c y I think that that's also fair I I would I was

that's also fair I I would I was

that's also fair I I would I was waffling between B and C rather than

waffling between B and C rather than

waffling between B and C rather than that one uh LCD 2C now this is where we

that one uh LCD 2C now this is where we

that one uh LCD 2C now this is where we get to fight I put this one what is 2C

get to fight I put this one what is 2C

get to fight I put this one what is 2C two classic it is two classic two

two classic it is two classic two

two classic it is two classic two classic two classic yeah um with stock

classic two classic yeah um with stock

classic two classic yeah um with stock pads it's a c I think that it with again

pads it's a c I think that it with again

pads it's a c I think that it with again with pad swaps it can go way higher but

with pad swaps it can go way higher but

with pad swaps it can go way higher but with stock pads it is a c I haven't had

with stock pads it is a c I haven't had

with stock pads it is a c I haven't had uh this I haven't had anything here

uh this I haven't had anything here

uh this I haven't had anything here until the lcd4 so you'll have to take it

until the lcd4 so you'll have to take it

until the lcd4 so you'll have to take it okay gotcha so for me actually I thought

okay gotcha so for me actually I thought

okay gotcha so for me actually I thought we were going to disagree more on this I

we were going to disagree more on this I

we were going to disagree more on this I also gave the lcd2 classic a c uh with a

also gave the lcd2 classic a c uh with a

also gave the lcd2 classic a c uh with a tone grade of b and a technical grade of

tone grade of b and a technical grade of

tone grade of b and a technical grade of C uh don't worry we'll get the fight at

C uh don't worry we'll get the fight at

C uh don't worry we'll get the fight at some point yeah we will we will uh lcd2

some point yeah we will we will uh lcd2

some point yeah we will we will uh lcd2 F uh this one I give it a b with a tone

F uh this one I give it a b with a tone

F uh this one I give it a b with a tone grade of c and a subjective grade of a I

grade of c and a subjective grade of a I

grade of c and a subjective grade of a I also gave this a b wow we're right on

also gave this a b wow we're right on

also gave this a b wow we're right on the money okay LCD 3 where the spice I

the money okay LCD 3 where the spice I

the money okay LCD 3 where the spice I gave this

gave this

gave this one we'll get there uh LCD 3F I gave

one we'll get there uh LCD 3F I gave

one we'll get there uh LCD 3F I gave this a b with a tone grade of b and a

this a b with a tone grade of b and a

this a b with a tone grade of b and a subjective grade of

subjective grade of

subjective grade of a I gave this one and a just cuz it's

a I gave this one and a just cuz it's

a I gave this one and a just cuz it's it's

it's

it's like it is expensive but it is slightly

like it is expensive but it is slightly

like it is expensive but it is slightly better than the 2f and something about

better than the 2f and something about

better than the 2f and something about it's pretty magic yeah I would agree

it's pretty magic yeah I would agree

it's pretty magic yeah I would agree that it's it is better than the 2f it's

that it's it is better than the 2f it's

that it's it is better than the 2f it's just it wasn't enough better for me that

just it wasn't enough better for me that

just it wasn't enough better for me that I would kick it into the next tier

I would kick it into the next tier

I would kick it into the next tier that's fair it's definitely like a low a

that's fair it's definitely like a low a

that's fair it's definitely like a low a for me LCD 2 closed this one I give it a

for me LCD 2 closed this one I give it a

for me LCD 2 closed this one I give it a c with a tone grade of D and a

c with a tone grade of D and a

c with a tone grade of D and a subjective grade of

subjective grade of

subjective grade of B I put that in D tier it's pretty weird

B I put that in D tier it's pretty weird

B I put that in D tier it's pretty weird I could I could see going D as well I I

I could I could see going D as well I I

I could I could see going D as well I I love a good closed

love a good closed

love a good closed back but it has to really be there

back but it has to really be there

back but it has to really be there tonally for me to like it uh LCD 4 I

tonally for me to like it uh LCD 4 I

tonally for me to like it uh LCD 4 I give this one an a with a tone grade of

give this one an a with a tone grade of

give this one an a with a tone grade of c and a subjective grade of s oh

c and a subjective grade of s oh

c and a subjective grade of s oh interesting I put that in B tier it it

interesting I put that in B tier it it

interesting I put that in B tier it it was very technical but the tuning was

was very technical but the tuning was

was very technical but the tuning was too much for me I put that n b as well

too much for me I put that n b as well

too much for me I put that n b as well similar kind of reasons really technical

similar kind of reasons really technical

similar kind of reasons really technical the tuning I was I didn't hate it I

the tuning I was I didn't hate it I

the tuning I was I didn't hate it I thought it was a bit too dark for my

thought it was a bit too dark for my

thought it was a bit too dark for my liking but not too far actually the

liking but not too far actually the

liking but not too far actually the reason why I bumped it down from an A to

reason why I bumped it down from an A to

reason why I bumped it down from an A to a b purely because of the unit variation

a b purely because of the unit variation

a b purely because of the unit variation which was really quite bad on that I've

which was really quite bad on that I've

which was really quite bad on that I've heard two different pairs which sounded

heard two different pairs which sounded

heard two different pairs which sounded almost like different headphones and so

almost like different headphones and so

almost like different headphones and so that alone means that it's a bit tougher

that alone means that it's a bit tougher

that alone means that it's a bit tougher to

to recommend yeah so I think you and I I

recommend yeah so I think you and I I

recommend yeah so I think you and I I think we're actually all completely

think we're actually all completely

think we're actually all completely aligned on that because the only reason

aligned on that because the only reason

aligned on that because the only reason I put it in a is because if you got a

I put it in a is because if you got a

I put it in a is because if you got a good unit um you know the tonality

good unit um you know the tonality

good unit um you know the tonality actually was would be quite a bit better

actually was would be quite a bit better

actually was would be quite a bit better um so I've heard some where the tonality

um so I've heard some where the tonality

um so I've heard some where the tonality was much better and then there was one

was much better and then there was one

was much better and then there was one that I got in not that long ago where I

that I got in not that long ago where I

that I got in not that long ago where I was like n no it's back to uh the really

was like n no it's back to uh the really

was like n no it's back to uh the really dark tuning so yep LCD x h now we're

dark tuning so yep LCD x h now we're

dark tuning so yep LCD x h now we're this one we're assuming is the 2021

this one we're assuming is the 2021

this one we're assuming is the 2021 because the pre and and Beyond because

because the pre and and Beyond because

because the pre and and Beyond because the previous memory foam versions were

the previous memory foam versions were

the previous memory foam versions were completely Bonkers so 2021 and forward

completely Bonkers so 2021 and forward

completely Bonkers so 2021 and forward um I gave this a b uh with a tone grade

um I gave this a b uh with a tone grade

um I gave this a b uh with a tone grade of b and a subjective grade of a yeah I

of b and a subjective grade of a yeah I

of b and a subjective grade of a yeah I give it a very solid B tier I'm putting

give it a very solid B tier I'm putting

give it a very solid B tier I'm putting this one as solid B but I would add the

this one as solid B but I would add the

this one as solid B but I would add the asterisk that this is one of the very

asterisk that this is one of the very

asterisk that this is one of the very few headphones that I'm ranking it like

few headphones that I'm ranking it like

few headphones that I'm ranking it like that with consideration of EQ involved

that with consideration of EQ involved

that with consideration of EQ involved if I can't use EQ which I'm allowing

if I can't use EQ which I'm allowing

if I can't use EQ which I'm allowing this one because odsy has their own

this one because odsy has their own

this one because odsy has their own reveal presets built into Rune they've

reveal presets built into Rune they've

reveal presets built into Rune they've got their own software and stuff so it's

got their own software and stuff so it's

got their own software and stuff so it's kind of part of the package a bit more

kind of part of the package a bit more

kind of part of the package a bit more than other headphones if I didn't have

than other headphones if I didn't have

than other headphones if I didn't have that I would rank it a c maybe even a d

that I would rank it a c maybe even a d

that I would rank it a c maybe even a d just cuz the vocals are too weird for me

just cuz the vocals are too weird for me

just cuz the vocals are too weird for me with that EQ I could see that because

with that EQ I could see that because

with that EQ I could see that because yeah so like this is where I also

yeah so like this is where I also

yeah so like this is where I also struggled because I I could see grading

struggled because I I could see grading

struggled because I I could see grading the tone uh c as well but it is still

the tone uh c as well but it is still

the tone uh c as well but it is still better than some of the other ones that

better than some of the other ones that

better than some of the other ones that are in C yeah that's true it's a little

are in C yeah that's true it's a little

are in C yeah that's true it's a little tricky to evaluate this one I I think

tricky to evaluate this one I I think

tricky to evaluate this one I I think be's a good spot for it though these are

be's a good spot for it though these are

be's a good spot for it though these are also super easy to drive which is nice

also super easy to drive which is nice

also super easy to drive which is nice one of the few plan Nows you can like

one of the few plan Nows you can like

one of the few plan Nows you can like really comfortably run portably how do

really comfortably run portably how do

really comfortably run portably how do you guys feel about the LCD

you guys feel about the LCD

you guys feel about the LCD XC I don't care for for it too much but

XC I don't care for for it too much but

XC I don't care for for it too much but I know this is one of those ones where I

I know this is one of those ones where I

I know this is one of those ones where I know that enough people have liked the

know that enough people have liked the

know that enough people have liked the technical features of it that I put it

technical features of it that I put it

technical features of it that I put it in B I went one lower to C just cuz it

in B I went one lower to C just cuz it

in B I went one lower to C just cuz it wasn't close enough to the open X for me

wasn't close enough to the open X for me

wasn't close enough to the open X for me to put it in the same rank but it's I

to put it in the same rank but it's I

to put it in the same rank but it's I didn't hate it yeah one of the weird

didn't hate it yeah one of the weird

didn't hate it yeah one of the weird things is that this is one of the better

things is that this is one of the better

things is that this is one of the better measuring ones from Odyssey like for

measuring ones from Odyssey like for

measuring ones from Odyssey like for just I guess across the board um the the

just I guess across the board um the the

just I guess across the board um the the issue with it is you if you don't get a

issue with it is you if you don't get a

issue with it is you if you don't get a seal you lose all the base and low

seal you lose all the base and low

seal you lose all the base and low frequency uh information

frequency uh information

frequency uh information and I I found it not the easiest thing

and I I found it not the easiest thing

and I I found it not the easiest thing to get it to couple perfectly the way

to get it to couple perfectly the way

to get it to couple perfectly the way that it needed to so uh for me I gave it

that it needed to so uh for me I gave it

that it needed to so uh for me I gave it a b uh with the tone grade of B if you

a b uh with the tone grade of B if you

a b uh with the tone grade of B if you could get it to seal it would probably

could get it to seal it would probably

could get it to seal it would probably be a c or a d otherwise um and a

be a c or a d otherwise um and a

be a c or a d otherwise um and a subjective grade of a mm500 well mx4 we

subjective grade of a mm500 well mx4 we

subjective grade of a mm500 well mx4 we haven't heard right no uh no yeah I

haven't heard right no uh no yeah I

haven't heard right no uh no yeah I haven't heard the mx4 um so mm500 is the

haven't heard the mx4 um so mm500 is the

haven't heard the mx4 um so mm500 is the next one how do you guys rate that for

next one how do you guys rate that for

next one how do you guys rate that for me mm500 is easily an a tier the problem

me mm500 is easily an a tier the problem

me mm500 is easily an a tier the problem is is that it's not comfortable for me

is is that it's not comfortable for me

is is that it's not comfortable for me but since we're not really counting

but since we're not really counting

but since we're not really counting Comfort we're just talking sound I think

Comfort we're just talking sound I think

Comfort we're just talking sound I think that it's an easy a tier because it's

that it's an easy a tier because it's

that it's an easy a tier because it's very technical it's pretty linear in its

very technical it's pretty linear in its

very technical it's pretty linear in its frequency response as far as it's being

frequency response as far as it's being

frequency response as far as it's being a reference headphone it's very close to

a reference headphone it's very close to

a reference headphone it's very close to the Target for sound ID reference

the Target for sound ID reference

the Target for sound ID reference already out of the box which is nice so

already out of the box which is nice so

already out of the box which is nice so it it pretty much meets its intended

it it pretty much meets its intended

it it pretty much meets its intended goal really well uh yeah very similar

goal really well uh yeah very similar

goal really well uh yeah very similar thoughts it's easy a tier tuning is

thoughts it's easy a tier tuning is

thoughts it's easy a tier tuning is great technicalities are great it's

great technicalities are great it's

great technicalities are great it's built really nicely as well I don't have

built really nicely as well I don't have

built really nicely as well I don't have the same Comfort issues they are quite

the same Comfort issues they are quite

the same Comfort issues they are quite comfy on me so easy

comfy on me so easy

comfy on me so easy a I also give it an a uh tone grade of

a I also give it an a uh tone grade of

a I also give it an a uh tone grade of pardon me I gave an a tone grade of B

pardon me I gave an a tone grade of B

pardon me I gave an a tone grade of B and subjective grade of a so if it's in

and subjective grade of a so if it's in

and subjective grade of a so if it's in a tier for me it is in low a tier uh

a tier for me it is in low a tier uh

a tier for me it is in low a tier uh because

because

because it's it the tuning is definitely still

it's it the tuning is definitely still

it's it the tuning is definitely still not quite right for me um it's still got

not quite right for me um it's still got

not quite right for me um it's still got too much ear gain relative to the

too much ear gain relative to the

too much ear gain relative to the trouble or too much up like lower

trouble or too much up like lower

trouble or too much up like lower trouble relative to the mid and upper

trouble relative to the mid and upper

trouble relative to the mid and upper trouble and um keep in mind too what

trouble and um keep in mind too what

trouble and um keep in mind too what it's intended for also in the Target

it's intended for also in the Target

it's intended for also in the Target they're going for yep I can see

they're going for yep I can see

they're going for yep I can see basically I can see why they did what

basically I can see why they did what

basically I can see why they did what they did and I do prefer its tuning over

they did and I do prefer its tuning over

they did and I do prefer its tuning over the

the

the lcd5 which is the next one so lcd5 um I

lcd5 which is the next one so lcd5 um I

lcd5 which is the next one so lcd5 um I gave this one an A and this is where we

gave this one an A and this is where we

gave this one an A and this is where we might fight because tone for me was C h

might fight because tone for me was C h

might fight because tone for me was C h but subjective is s um I ended up

but subjective is s um I ended up

but subjective is s um I ended up putting it in B tier so not very far

putting it in B tier so not very far

putting it in B tier so not very far off it's just another case of I feel

off it's just another case of I feel

off it's just another case of I feel like it didn't have a significant

like it didn't have a significant

like it didn't have a significant technical advantage over the M M500 but

technical advantage over the M M500 but

technical advantage over the M M500 but I didn't like the tuning as much as

I didn't like the tuning as much as

I didn't like the tuning as much as mm500 so it just for me in between the

mm500 so it just for me in between the

mm500 so it just for me in between the two I'd recommend the mm500 over it and

two I'd recommend the mm500 over it and

two I'd recommend the mm500 over it and that puts the lcd5 one tier below it I

that puts the lcd5 one tier below it I

that puts the lcd5 one tier below it I think it is easier to recommend the

think it is easier to recommend the

think it is easier to recommend the mm500 oh yeah definitely I I went one

mm500 oh yeah definitely I I went one

mm500 oh yeah definitely I I went one tier lower with the LCD 5 just because

tier lower with the LCD 5 just because

tier lower with the LCD 5 just because of the fact that I actually found it a

of the fact that I actually found it a

of the fact that I actually found it a bit shouty in certain instances and I

bit shouty in certain instances and I

bit shouty in certain instances and I also found that def just didn't have

also found that def just didn't have

also found that def just didn't have much stage for me which I am a bit of a

much stage for me which I am a bit of a

much stage for me which I am a bit of a fan of and so I just found it a lot of

fan of and so I just found it a lot of

fan of and so I just found it a lot of people are going to hate me for this but

people are going to hate me for this but

people are going to hate me for this but pretty boring so I I just put it in C

pretty boring so I I just put it in C

pretty boring so I I just put it in C fair enough that's that's the first one

fair enough that's that's the first one

fair enough that's that's the first one where we all had a different grade for

where we all had a different grade for

where we all had a different grade for it I think similar feelings to different

it I think similar feelings to different

it I think similar feelings to different extents yeah yeah like actually the

extents yeah yeah like actually the

extents yeah yeah like actually the reasoning is pretty similar there for

reasoning is pretty similar there for

reasoning is pretty similar there for both for all three of us

both for all three of us

both for all three of us umh so now we're on to the

umh so now we're on to the

umh so now we're on to the carbon I gave this one a c oh see I put

carbon I gave this one a c oh see I put

carbon I gave this one a c oh see I put it one tier higher than that in b

it one tier higher than that in b

it one tier higher than that in b um mostly honestly I just I find that

um mostly honestly I just I find that

um mostly honestly I just I find that similar to a lot

similar to a lot

similar to a lot Stacks but better than certain Stacks

Stacks but better than certain Stacks

Stacks but better than certain Stacks I've heard I don't love it but I don't

I've heard I don't love it but I don't

I've heard I don't love it but I don't hate

hate

hate it so B tier I uh I put that in C purely

it so B tier I uh I put that in C purely

it so B tier I uh I put that in C purely because whilst the base on the carbon is

because whilst the base on the carbon is

because whilst the base on the carbon is some of the best on an eat I've heard it

some of the best on an eat I've heard it

some of the best on an eat I've heard it just does that better than most Stacks

just does that better than most Stacks

just does that better than most Stacks I've tried even things like the x9000 it

I've tried even things like the x9000 it

I've tried even things like the x9000 it wasn't as technically performant as a

wasn't as technically performant as a

wasn't as technically performant as a lot of the other Stacks headphones and

lot of the other Stacks headphones and

lot of the other Stacks headphones and it felt too much like it was kind of an

it felt too much like it was kind of an

it felt too much like it was kind of an East at trying to sound like a planar

East at trying to sound like a planar

East at trying to sound like a planar and ending up not really with the the

and ending up not really with the the

and ending up not really with the the advant vages of either um and so whilst

advant vages of either um and so whilst

advant vages of either um and so whilst I didn't dislike it at all I also didn't

I didn't dislike it at all I also didn't

I didn't dislike it at all I also didn't really have anything about it which

really have anything about it which

really have anything about it which really drew me in so I put it in C I

really drew me in so I put it in C I

really drew me in so I put it in C I also put it in C and um I found the

also put it in C and um I found the

also put it in C and um I found the tonality to be very similar to the to

tonality to be very similar to the to

tonality to be very similar to the to the LCD 5 so I found it shouty uh and

the LCD 5 so I found it shouty uh and

the LCD 5 so I found it shouty uh and then also same thing with the subjective

then also same thing with the subjective

then also same thing with the subjective qualities cool for an eat to do what it

qualities cool for an eat to do what it

qualities cool for an eat to do what it did but um certainly not on the level of

did but um certainly not on the level of

did but um certainly not on the level of other eats that I've heard for the

other eats that I've heard for the

other eats that I've heard for the subjective qualities yeah uh e8c I don't

subjective qualities yeah uh e8c I don't

subjective qualities yeah uh e8c I don't I haven't heard this one haven't had

I haven't heard this one haven't had

I haven't heard this one haven't had this one

this one

this one uh it's just a really comfortable D tier

uh it's just a really comfortable D tier

uh it's just a really comfortable D tier that's all I can say about it it's just

that's all I can say about it it's just

that's all I can say about it it's just a really comfortable D tier it's not a

a really comfortable D tier it's not a

a really comfortable D tier it's not a comfortable headphone to wear on your

comfortable headphone to wear on your

comfortable headphone to wear on your head I'm saying it comfortably fits into

head I'm saying it comfortably fits into

head I'm saying it comfortably fits into the DTI soundwise I think that's all the

the DTI soundwise I think that's all the

the DTI soundwise I think that's all the odysys yeah yep uh yes uh all the ones

odysys yeah yep uh yes uh all the ones

odysys yeah yep uh yes uh all the ones that I have on this list there are of

that I have on this list there are of

that I have on this list there are of course other

course other

course other odys yes Austrian audio

odys yes Austrian audio

odys yes Austrian audio next uh Audio Technica actually oh audio

next uh Audio Technica actually oh audio

next uh Audio Technica actually oh audio tech Audio Technica is next

tech Audio Technica is next

tech Audio Technica is next alphabetically yeah audio tech r70x is

alphabetically yeah audio tech r70x is

alphabetically yeah audio tech r70x is the first one for Audio Technica how did

the first one for Audio Technica how did

the first one for Audio Technica how did you guys rank this one

you guys rank this one

you guys rank this one alob I've not heard the r7x so I didn't

alob I've not heard the r7x so I didn't

alob I've not heard the r7x so I didn't rank that one uh I also gave it a B I

rank that one uh I also gave it a B I

rank that one uh I also gave it a B I gave it a tone grade of a and a

gave it a tone grade of a and a

gave it a tone grade of a and a subjective grade of C there you go uh

subjective grade of C there you go uh

subjective grade of C there you go uh m50x d

m50x d

m50x d d d yeah D yeah yeah I also gave it a d

d d yeah D yeah yeah I also gave it a d

d d yeah D yeah yeah I also gave it a d this is one of those headphones which

this is one of those headphones which

this is one of those headphones which seem to kind of get recommended by a

seem to kind of get recommended by a

seem to kind of get recommended by a couple YouTubers then people would buy

couple YouTubers then people would buy

couple YouTubers then people would buy it and then recommend it to other people

it and then recommend it to other people

it and then recommend it to other people without trying anything else and so it

without trying anything else and so it

without trying anything else and so it ended up becoming really popular even

ended up becoming really popular even

ended up becoming really popular even though there were way better options

though there were way better options

though there were way better options available yep so this is a weird one

available yep so this is a weird one

available yep so this is a weird one because I struggled with the tone grade

because I struggled with the tone grade

because I struggled with the tone grade I didn't I almost I gave it a d for tone

I didn't I almost I gave it a d for tone

I didn't I almost I gave it a d for tone grade I almost don't feel that's fair

grade I almost don't feel that's fair

grade I almost don't feel that's fair because for the co grained kind of like

because for the co grained kind of like

because for the co grained kind of like General sound signature it's not

General sound signature it's not

General sound signature it's not terrible it's but the issue is that for

terrible it's but the issue is that for

terrible it's but the issue is that for some of the fine grain stuff it is it is

some of the fine grain stuff it is it is

some of the fine grain stuff it is it is terrible so at least I found it to be uh

terrible so at least I found it to be uh

terrible so at least I found it to be uh and then the way that the base is

and then the way that the base is

and then the way that the base is handled is just not good no um so

handled is just not good no um so

handled is just not good no um so ultimately yeah I also gave it a d with

ultimately yeah I also gave it a d with

ultimately yeah I also gave it a d with a subjective grade of C I wonder if I

a subjective grade of C I wonder if I

a subjective grade of C I wonder if I should switch

should switch

should switch that yeah I'll switch that subjective

that yeah I'll switch that subjective

that yeah I'll switch that subjective grade of D and a and a tonality grade of

grade of D and a and a tonality grade of

grade of D and a and a tonality grade of C because again for the general sound

C because again for the general sound

C because again for the general sound signature you can get worse

signature you can get worse

signature you can get worse m40x I went one Higher I ranked that as

m40x I went one Higher I ranked that as

m40x I went one Higher I ranked that as C okay I put m40x in the C tier I still

C okay I put m40x in the C tier I still

C okay I put m40x in the C tier I still don't love it but it is a little better

don't love it but it is a little better

don't love it but it is a little better than M50 yeah same thing for me one tier

than M50 yeah same thing for me one tier

than M50 yeah same thing for me one tier higher still not a great headphone but

higher still not a great headphone but

higher still not a great headphone but less terrible I also haven't heard the

less terrible I also haven't heard the

less terrible I also haven't heard the m40x in nearly long enough time so I

m40x in nearly long enough time so I

m40x in nearly long enough time so I can't I don't feel it's a fair

can't I don't feel it's a fair

can't I don't feel it's a fair assessment on my part um adx 5000 I gave

assessment on my part um adx 5000 I gave

assessment on my part um adx 5000 I gave this one a b with a tone grade of b and

this one a b with a tone grade of b and

this one a b with a tone grade of b and a subjective grade of a um yeah for me I

a subjective grade of a um yeah for me I

a subjective grade of a um yeah for me I put this one in C tier it was technical

put this one in C tier it was technical

put this one in C tier it was technical but it was just too bright for me yeah I

but it was just too bright for me yeah I

but it was just too bright for me yeah I would go see as well just same reasoning

would go see as well just same reasoning

would go see as well just same reasoning uh it's a little bit too bright and

uh it's a little bit too bright and

uh it's a little bit too bright and otherwise very good stages nicely as

otherwise very good stages nicely as

otherwise very good stages nicely as well but uh just a bit too bright yep

well but uh just a bit too bright yep

well but uh just a bit too bright yep I'm thinking for the uh the people like

I'm thinking for the uh the people like

I'm thinking for the uh the people like uh like Blaine you know who who want you

uh like Blaine you know who who want you

uh like Blaine you know who who want you know their headphones to be you

know their headphones to be you

know their headphones to be you know blindingly bright well as we

know blindingly bright well as we

know blindingly bright well as we discovered blae has anti-ant built in so

discovered blae has anti-ant built in so

discovered blae has anti-ant built in so he's lucky oh yeah that's what saying

he's lucky oh yeah that's what saying

he's lucky oh yeah that's what saying you know some people you know that that

you know some people you know that that

you know some people you know that that brightness is just not uh not an issue

brightness is just not uh not an issue

brightness is just not uh not an issue um I'm going to uh defer judgment on all

um I'm going to uh defer judgment on all

um I'm going to uh defer judgment on all the rest of these audio technos because

the rest of these audio technos because

the rest of these audio technos because I it's been way too long same for me DMS

I it's been way too long same for me DMS

I it's been way too long same for me DMS take it away um the entire ad whatever X

take it away um the entire ad whatever X

take it away um the entire ad whatever X line I put in C tier I mean some of them

line I put in C tier I mean some of them

line I put in C tier I mean some of them are decent I think the 8500x is a great

are decent I think the 8500x is a great

are decent I think the 8500x is a great value cuz it's like 60 or 70 bucks for a

value cuz it's like 60 or 70 bucks for a

value cuz it's like 60 or 70 bucks for a decent open back

decent open back

decent open back headphone a lot of people seem to like

headphone a lot of people seem to like

headphone a lot of people seem to like the 2,000x more than the 1,000x it's a

the 2,000x more than the 1,000x it's a

the 2,000x more than the 1,000x it's a little bit warmer the 1,000x has a bit

little bit warmer the 1,000x has a bit

little bit warmer the 1,000x has a bit of a treble Spike 700 900 are okay

of a treble Spike 700 900 are okay

of a treble Spike 700 900 are okay either way they're pretty much all C

either way they're pretty much all C

either way they're pretty much all C tier uh Austrian

tier uh Austrian

tier uh Austrian audio uh High

audio uh High

audio uh High x55 how did this

x55 how did this

x55 how did this happen

happen

happen okay I haven't heard it so I've only

okay I haven't heard it so I've only

okay I haven't heard it so I've only heard the composer so I can't comment on

heard the composer so I can't comment on

heard the composer so I can't comment on the uh 5565 do yourself a quick favor

the uh 5565 do yourself a quick favor

the uh 5565 do yourself a quick favor open a tab and look up the frequency

open a tab and look up the frequency

open a tab and look up the frequency response of the x55 all right one sec

response of the x55 all right one sec

response of the x55 all right one sec let's have a look looking at orator data

let's have a look looking at orator data

let's have a look looking at orator data Jesus that is a literal Mountain like

Jesus that is a literal Mountain like

Jesus that is a literal Mountain like it's like a mountain range yes it is

it's like a mountain range yes it is

it's like a mountain range yes it is very much inspired by mountains you

very much inspired by mountains you

very much inspired by mountains you could find in Austria that's why they

could find in Austria that's why they

could find in Austria that's why they call it Austrian audio for oh it makes

call it Austrian audio for oh it makes

call it Austrian audio for oh it makes so much sense I love it this is a truly

so much sense I love it this is a truly

so much sense I love it this is a truly w-shaped headphone holy crap it's an

w-shaped headphone holy crap it's an

w-shaped headphone holy crap it's an Abomination that is um no no this no no

Abomination that is um no no this no no

Abomination that is um no no this no no no hold on I got to you know when people

no hold on I got to you know when people

no hold on I got to you know when people talk about they want the cater

talk about they want the cater

talk about they want the cater headphones that's what this oh my God

headphones that's what this oh my God

headphones that's what this oh my God cat ear in frequency

cat ear in frequency

cat ear in frequency response that's yeah that thing is a

response that's yeah that thing is a

response that's yeah that thing is a that's a dumpster fire so but this was

that's a dumpster fire so but this was

that's a dumpster fire so but this was their first was this their first

their first was this their first

their first was this their first headphone or is this uh it was one of

headphone or is this uh it was one of

headphone or is this uh it was one of their early ones so how's the the high

their early ones so how's the the high

their early ones so how's the the high 65 x65 65 is notably better like

65 x65 65 is notably better like

65 x65 65 is notably better like considerably better um it's still not

considerably better um it's still not

considerably better um it's still not incredible but it's it's easily a c tier

incredible but it's it's easily a c tier

incredible but it's it's easily a c tier it's a lot like the sure 1840 but better

it's a lot like the sure 1840 but better

it's a lot like the sure 1840 but better in some ways I know the the the build

in some ways I know the the the build

in some ways I know the the the build quality and the Comfort supposed to be

quality and the Comfort supposed to be

quality and the Comfort supposed to be really good with those so try them how

really good with those so try them how

really good with those so try them how do you guys feel about the composer I uh

do you guys feel about the composer I uh

do you guys feel about the composer I uh put that in an A but I'm putting an

put that in an A but I'm putting an

put that in an A but I'm putting an asterisk on it that apparently some

asterisk on it that apparently some

asterisk on it that apparently some people are saying the release version is

people are saying the release version is

people are saying the release version is a bit more basik than the one they were

a bit more basik than the one they were

a bit more basik than the one they were showing off at canjam if that's true

showing off at canjam if that's true

showing off at canjam if that's true that might knock it down to a b they're

that might knock it down to a b they're

that might knock it down to a b they're sending one for review though so we'll

sending one for review though so we'll

sending one for review though so we'll find out soon oh very cool so a for now

find out soon oh very cool so a for now

find out soon oh very cool so a for now a for now I would do the same asteris

a for now I would do the same asteris

a for now I would do the same asteris asteris did I why I just say that I

asteris did I why I just say that I

asteris did I why I just say that I would do the same uh as Cameron a

would do the same uh as Cameron a

would do the same uh as Cameron a contingent on it being the same sound as

contingent on it being the same sound as

contingent on it being the same sound as what we heard at can jam it's basically

what we heard at can jam it's basically

what we heard at can jam it's basically tuning wise a dynamic version of an

tuning wise a dynamic version of an

tuning wise a dynamic version of an ARA oh that's cool yeah it's pretty

ARA oh that's cool yeah it's pretty

ARA oh that's cool yeah it's pretty close all right I want to hear that one

close all right I want to hear that one

close all right I want to hear that one now built beautifully as well really

now built beautifully as well really

now built beautifully as well really nice yeah very beautiful build um beats

nice yeah very beautiful build um beats

nice yeah very beautiful build um beats Beats Pro I also abstain from this one

Beats Pro I also abstain from this one

Beats Pro I also abstain from this one these are very easily in the how did

these are very easily in the how did

these are very easily in the how did this happen to you it's um it is just

this happen to you it's um it is just

this happen to you it's um it is just are those the on they are no they're

are those the on they are no they're

are those the on they are no they're over ear they're over ear except for the

over ear they're over ear except for the

over ear they're over ear except for the fact that they press in really hard

fact that they press in really hard

fact that they press in really hard against your ear so after about an hour

against your ear so after about an hour

against your ear so after about an hour of wearing them they really hurt and it

of wearing them they really hurt and it

of wearing them they really hurt and it is just bass it is just bass and nothing

is just bass it is just bass and nothing

is just bass it is just bass and nothing else so uh easy how did this happen so

else so uh easy how did this happen so

else so uh easy how did this happen so it's appropriately named at least yeah

it's appropriately named at least yeah

it's appropriately named at least yeah Bayer Dynamic yeah Bayer Dynamic I

Bayer Dynamic yeah Bayer Dynamic I

Bayer Dynamic yeah Bayer Dynamic I started with a

started with a

started with a dt770 uh I gave this one a b with a tone

dt770 uh I gave this one a b with a tone

dt770 uh I gave this one a b with a tone grade of b and a subjective grade of B

grade of b and a subjective grade of B

grade of b and a subjective grade of B yeah I would say that it's between c and

yeah I would say that it's between c and

yeah I would say that it's between c and b for me I put it in C yeah I for me

b for me I put it in C yeah I for me

b for me I put it in C yeah I for me high C I wouldn't put it in B I think

high C I wouldn't put it in B I think

high C I wouldn't put it in B I think there's some other headphones in B which

there's some other headphones in B which

there's some other headphones in B which are just too much better than that to uh

are just too much better than that to uh

are just too much better than that to uh to keep keep it there but yeah C dt880 I

to keep keep it there but yeah C dt880 I

to keep keep it there but yeah C dt880 I gave this one a c with a tone grade of c

gave this one a c with a tone grade of c

gave this one a c with a tone grade of c and a subjective grade of B I also put

and a subjective grade of B I also put

and a subjective grade of B I also put that in c c for

that in c c for

that in c c for me

me dt990 I give this one a d with a tone

dt990 I give this one a d with a tone

dt990 I give this one a d with a tone grade of D and a subjective grade of

grade of D and a subjective grade of

grade of D and a subjective grade of B wow that's generous that's really

B wow that's generous that's really

B wow that's generous that's really generous I just put that in a straight F

generous I just put that in a straight F

generous I just put that in a straight F yeah so I was thinking there might be

yeah so I was thinking there might be

yeah so I was thinking there might be people out there who again they have the

people out there who again they have the

people out there who again they have the either the anti- sibilance or they have

either the anti- sibilance or they have

either the anti- sibilance or they have you know like you know how like people

you know like you know how like people

you know like you know how like people lose their hearing as they get older I'm

lose their hearing as they get older I'm

lose their hearing as they get older I'm thinking so they have the anti sibilance

thinking so they have the anti sibilance

thinking so they have the anti sibilance and the anti- mud but as far as the

and the anti- mud but as far as the

and the anti- mud but as far as the subjective characteristics I I don't I

subjective characteristics I I don't I

subjective characteristics I I don't I didn't have any issues it wasn't like

didn't have any issues it wasn't like

didn't have any issues it wasn't like super blunted sounding or you know it

super blunted sounding or you know it

super blunted sounding or you know it didn't it has a good Sound Stage so I

didn't it has a good Sound Stage so I

didn't it has a good Sound Stage so I gave it a B for the for the subjective

gave it a B for the for the subjective

gave it a B for the for the subjective qualities but it's a it's a bad

qualities but it's a it's a bad

qualities but it's a it's a bad headphone it was actually a bit painful

headphone it was actually a bit painful

headphone it was actually a bit painful I'll be honest yeah it's not just that

I'll be honest yeah it's not just that

I'll be honest yeah it's not just that the the the treble Peaks are enormous

the the the treble Peaks are enormous

the the the treble Peaks are enormous it's that you have certain harmonic

it's that you have certain harmonic

it's that you have certain harmonic imbalances in the treble as well so it

imbalances in the treble as well so it

imbalances in the treble as well so it just kind of ruins everything I would

just kind of ruins everything I would

just kind of ruins everything I would agree that the dt990 does ruin

agree that the dt990 does ruin

agree that the dt990 does ruin everything that's the title dt990 ruins

everything that's the title dt990 ruins

everything that's the title dt990 ruins everything yes uh amaron home uh I gave

everything yes uh amaron home uh I gave

everything yes uh amaron home uh I gave this one a c with a tone grade of c and

this one a c with a tone grade of c and

this one a c with a tone grade of c and a subjective grade of B

a subjective grade of B

a subjective grade of B I just flat across the board D tier for

I just flat across the board D tier for

I just flat across the board D tier for me haven't heard this one the funny

me haven't heard this one the funny

me haven't heard this one the funny thing about the Amar on home is I would

thing about the Amar on home is I would

thing about the Amar on home is I would actually rate it worse for subjective

actually rate it worse for subjective

actually rate it worse for subjective than the other DT series slightly but um

than the other DT series slightly but um

than the other DT series slightly but um I Heard two units and one of them

I Heard two units and one of them

I Heard two units and one of them actually sounded

actually sounded

actually sounded okay so it might be that they also have

okay so it might be that they also have

okay so it might be that they also have usually they're really consistent aren't

usually they're really consistent aren't

usually they're really consistent aren't they in terms of their variance no

they in terms of their variance no

they in terms of their variance no actually no unfortunately they're not oh

actually no unfortunately they're not oh

actually no unfortunately they're not oh I had a whole stack of bar Dynamics

I had a whole stack of bar Dynamics

I had a whole stack of bar Dynamics right and so I bought I want to say like

right and so I bought I want to say like

right and so I bought I want to say like eight different be dnamic headphones

eight different be dnamic headphones

eight different be dnamic headphones with multiple units of the same one and

with multiple units of the same one and

with multiple units of the same one and found that it's it's a crapshoot like

found that it's it's a crapshoot like

found that it's it's a crapshoot like the the unit variation on those is

the the unit variation on those is

the the unit variation on those is pretty darn Extreme as well um that's

pretty darn Extreme as well um that's

pretty darn Extreme as well um that's surprising especially for a pro one I

surprising especially for a pro one I

surprising especially for a pro one I mean senis is like everything's the same

mean senis is like everything's the same

mean senis is like everything's the same you can't get unit variants a lot of the

you can't get unit variants a lot of the

you can't get unit variants a lot of the time on those but well okay on the HD

time on those but well okay on the HD

time on those but well okay on the HD well we'll get there there is still some

well we'll get there there is still some

well we'll get there there is still some unit variation with Sennheiser as well

unit variation with Sennheiser as well

unit variation with Sennheiser as well with the six series I it might just be

with the six series I it might just be

with the six series I it might just be down to the pads that they're using

down to the pads that they're using

down to the pads that they're using tiger 300 R this one stages really big

tiger 300 R this one stages really big

tiger 300 R this one stages really big and then does not much else that well so

and then does not much else that well so

and then does not much else that well so I put it in a

I put it in a

I put it in a c another one that also has unit

c another one that also has unit

c another one that also has unit variation issues that I found um or at

variation issues that I found um or at

variation issues that I found um or at least actually it might not be unit

least actually it might not be unit

least actually it might not be unit variation I actually think it's like

variation I actually think it's like

variation I actually think it's like they changed manufacturing runs and then

they changed manufacturing runs and then

they changed manufacturing runs and then something else happened um okay because

something else happened um okay because

something else happened um okay because the one that I reviewed actually had a

the one that I reviewed actually had a

the one that I reviewed actually had a lot of that mid based mud it didn't have

lot of that mid based mud it didn't have

lot of that mid based mud it didn't have nearly the kind of sibilance that the

nearly the kind of sibilance that the

nearly the kind of sibilance that the dt990 has but um it still had a lot of

dt990 has but um it still had a lot of

dt990 has but um it still had a lot of the mud so for me it was C and then tone

the mud so for me it was C and then tone

the mud so for me it was C and then tone grade C and subjective B I put that one

grade C and subjective B I put that one

grade C and subjective B I put that one in C tier uh dt700 now this is where we

in C tier uh dt700 now this is where we

in C tier uh dt700 now this is where we might

might

might fight maybe uh that one I put in C I

fight maybe uh that one I put in C I

fight maybe uh that one I put in C I have it in C as well wow I have it in C

have it in C as well wow I have it in C

have it in C as well wow I have it in C as well okay this one we getting for me

as well okay this one we getting for me

as well okay this one we getting for me it's a c across the board tone and

it's a c across the board tone and

it's a c across the board tone and subjective is c yeah the same I'm happy

subjective is c yeah the same I'm happy

subjective is c yeah the same I'm happy with that uh DT 900 D these are the Pro

with that uh DT 900 D these are the Pro

with that uh DT 900 D these are the Pro X I should clarify straight to D for me

X I should clarify straight to D for me

X I should clarify straight to D for me same I put it in C tier I don't I don't

same I put it in C tier I don't I don't

same I put it in C tier I don't I don't dislike it more than the dt700 I I find

dislike it more than the dt700 I I find

dislike it more than the dt700 I I find them both equal um I went tone Grade B

them both equal um I went tone Grade B

them both equal um I went tone Grade B and subjective D CU I actually found the

and subjective D CU I actually found the

and subjective D CU I actually found the 900s to be particularly blunted sounding

900s to be particularly blunted sounding

900s to be particularly blunted sounding like that was a yeah that's like people

like that was a yeah that's like people

like that was a yeah that's like people are like what is this blunted character

are like what is this blunted character

are like what is this blunted character it's like that that thing is blunted not

it's like that that thing is blunted not

it's like that that thing is blunted not particularly engaging and

particularly engaging and

particularly engaging and fun yeah uh T1 gen 3 how the hell did

fun yeah uh T1 gen 3 how the hell did

fun yeah uh T1 gen 3 how the hell did this happen

this happen

this happen did you just say s oh F I thought you

did you just say s oh F I thought you

did you just say s oh F I thought you said

said

said S I would walk 3,000 miles to slap you I

S I would walk 3,000 miles to slap you I

S I would walk 3,000 miles to slap you I would encourage that uh okay so you guys

would encourage that uh okay so you guys

would encourage that uh okay so you guys have have it in how did this happen did

have have it in how did this happen did

have have it in how did this happen did I have it in F the third gen is if you

I have it in F the third gen is if you

I have it in F the third gen is if you took the Harmon Target and inverted it

took the Harmon Target and inverted it

took the Harmon Target and inverted it it's only like there's no deep base it's

it's only like there's no deep base it's

it's only like there's no deep base it's only like super low mids and then all

only like super low mids and then all

only like super low mids and then all the treble is like if you took ear gain

the treble is like if you took ear gain

the treble is like if you took ear gain and reversed it t5p this one for me is

and reversed it t5p this one for me is

and reversed it t5p this one for me is FS across the board how did this happen

FS across the board how did this happen

FS across the board how did this happen haven't heard this one sounds like I'm

haven't heard this one sounds like I'm

haven't heard this one sounds like I'm not missing out though so this one was

not missing out though so this one was

not missing out though so this one was one of the first closed back be dynamics

one of the first closed back be dynamics

one of the first closed back be dynamics that I heard and I thought how is this

that I heard and I thought how is this

that I heard and I thought how is this how but it's not it's not like it's so

how but it's not it's not like it's so

how but it's not it's not like it's so Bonkers that I would like there are

Bonkers that I would like there are

Bonkers that I would like there are other ones for me that are in how did

other ones for me that are in how did

other ones for me that are in how did this

this

this happen uh that yeah it doesn't quite

happen uh that yeah it doesn't quite

happen uh that yeah it doesn't quite make the grade there how about you DMS

make the grade there how about you DMS

make the grade there how about you DMS it still made it into how did this

it still made it into how did this

it still made it into how did this happen for me but I agree that there are

happen for me but I agree that there are

happen for me but I agree that there are Clos backs on this this list of they're

Clos backs on this this list of they're

Clos backs on this this list of they're worse yeah yeah

worse yeah yeah

worse yeah yeah dt770 I haven't uh heard this one I

dt770 I haven't uh heard this one I

dt770 I haven't uh heard this one I think you could put this in the same

think you could put this in the same

think you could put this in the same category as the one from M drop right

category as the one from M drop right

category as the one from M drop right like the 17 X7 they're a little bit

like the 17 X7 they're a little bit

like the 17 X7 they're a little bit different uh they had different pads um

different uh they had different pads um

different uh they had different pads um but the 1770 I would put an

but the 1770 I would put an

but the 1770 I would put an F okay um Cameron I haven't had this one

F okay um Cameron I haven't had this one

F okay um Cameron I haven't had this one just imagine if you took the

just imagine if you took the

just imagine if you took the dt770 and added a lot more vshape to it

dt770 and added a lot more vshape to it

dt770 and added a lot more vshape to it right that'll uh that'll fix it man we

right that'll uh that'll fix it man we

right that'll uh that'll fix it man we we are the be dynamic ones are not doing

we are the be dynamic ones are not doing

we are the be dynamic ones are not doing well for us here

well for us here

well for us here guys um no all right so dt1990 that

guys um no all right so dt1990 that

guys um no all right so dt1990 that that's another one which is like they

that's another one which is like they

that's another one which is like they get recommended all the time a lot of

get recommended all the time a lot of

get recommended all the time a lot of the time unfortunately by people who

the time unfortunately by people who

the time unfortunately by people who haven't actually tried any alternatives

haven't actually tried any alternatives

haven't actually tried any alternatives and so it's just a self-repeating Cy I

and so it's just a self-repeating Cy I

and so it's just a self-repeating Cy I think they're like the Reddit the Reddit

think they're like the Reddit the Reddit

think they're like the Reddit the Reddit Darlings right like the like some of

Darlings right like the like some of

Darlings right like the like some of them are yeah Reddit streaming

them are yeah Reddit streaming

them are yeah Reddit streaming podcasting everyone's just got those so

podcasting everyone's just got those so

podcasting everyone's just got those so everyone goes oh well everyone's using

everyone goes oh well everyone's using

everyone goes oh well everyone's using them so they must be good yeah but

them so they must be good yeah but

them so they must be good yeah but they're not they're not even good for

they're not they're not even good for

they're not they're not even good for gaming I I don't know I'm not the the

gaming I I don't know I'm not the the

gaming I I don't know I'm not the the judge of that for me this one is a d

judge of that for me this one is a d

judge of that for me this one is a d with a tone grade of F that is

with a tone grade of F that is

with a tone grade of F that is completely unlistenable uh with the 8.5k

completely unlistenable uh with the 8.5k

completely unlistenable uh with the 8.5k and 12K

and 12K

and 12K Peaks

Peaks

Peaks um if not for those it would be all

um if not for those it would be all

um if not for those it would be all right I think and so for the subjective

right I think and so for the subjective

right I think and so for the subjective I gave it a b yeah I put that in D as

I gave it a b yeah I put that in D as

I gave it a b yeah I put that in D as well it's just way too peaky for me I

well it's just way too peaky for me I

well it's just way too peaky for me I couldn't listen for more than a couple

couldn't listen for more than a couple

couldn't listen for more than a couple minutes yeah d d also so for

minutes yeah d d also so for

minutes yeah d d also so for me really I thought you liked that one

me really I thought you liked that one

me really I thought you liked that one more uh at its time I

more uh at its time I

more uh at its time I did but that was also you know six years

did but that was also you know six years

did but that was also you know six years ago right so before you it's not

ago right so before you it's not

ago right so before you it's not terrible but I and it depends on which

terrible but I and it depends on which

terrible but I and it depends on which pads cuz there's two sets of pads that

pads cuz there's two sets of pads that

pads cuz there's two sets of pads that come with it the a pads I didn't like as

come with it the a pads I didn't like as

come with it the a pads I didn't like as much as the B

much as the B

much as the B pads um but I'd still say in the modern

pads um but I'd still say in the modern

pads um but I'd still say in the modern era I'd put it in D okay yeah one of

era I'd put it in D okay yeah one of

era I'd put it in D okay yeah one of them makes it a little bit more v-shaped

them makes it a little bit more v-shaped

them makes it a little bit more v-shaped right yeah well one of them adds base to

right yeah well one of them adds base to

right yeah well one of them adds base to it which kind of offsets the trouble

it which kind of offsets the trouble

it which kind of offsets the trouble some um okay so now we're on to Dan

some um okay so now we're on to Dan

some um okay so now we're on to Dan Clark

Clark

Clark audio um so this is the m drop versions

audio um so this is the m drop versions

audio um so this is the m drop versions that are currently being produced I

that are currently being produced I

that are currently being produced I don't know that they're actually making

don't know that they're actually making

don't know that they're actually making the Aon opens without the X I could be

the Aon opens without the X I could be

the Aon opens without the X I could be wrong about that right but I've not

wrong about that right but I've not

wrong about that right but I've not heard the Dan clar once until we get to

heard the Dan clar once until we get to

heard the Dan clar once until we get to expand so until then um for me the open

expand so until then um for me the open

expand so until then um for me the open X is a d with a tone grade of c um and

X is a d with a tone grade of c um and

X is a d with a tone grade of c um and then a subjective grade of D it is a

then a subjective grade of D it is a

then a subjective grade of D it is a blunty boy what about you DMs I put that

blunty boy what about you DMs I put that

blunty boy what about you DMs I put that one in C just mostly because there are

one in C just mostly because there are

one in C just mostly because there are things that I feel like it's better than

things that I feel like it's better than

things that I feel like it's better than that are in

that are in

that are in D Fair yeah like if I'm not paying super

D Fair yeah like if I'm not paying super

D Fair yeah like if I'm not paying super close attention to the fine you know

close attention to the fine you know

close attention to the fine you know details of a music of particular track

details of a music of particular track

details of a music of particular track um yeah I could jam with it you know

um yeah I could jam with it you know

um yeah I could jam with it you know it's not like it's super unpalatable or

it's not like it's super unpalatable or

it's not like it's super unpalatable or anything like that it's just that if you

anything like that it's just that if you

anything like that it's just that if you start to pay attention to that stuff you

start to pay attention to that stuff you

start to pay attention to that stuff you realize this is not this ain't it um Aon

realize this is not this ain't it um Aon

realize this is not this ain't it um Aon closed x uh I thought this one was

closed x uh I thought this one was

closed x uh I thought this one was pretty good I gave it a b with a tone

pretty good I gave it a b with a tone

pretty good I gave it a b with a tone grade of a and a subjective grade of C I

grade of a and a subjective grade of C I

grade of a and a subjective grade of C I also gave that one a b that's a pretty

also gave that one a b that's a pretty

also gave that one a b that's a pretty solid value too

solid value too

solid value too yeah um Aon 2 Noir we'll fight on this

yeah um Aon 2 Noir we'll fight on this

yeah um Aon 2 Noir we'll fight on this one because for me this is a very easy a

one because for me this is a very easy a

one because for me this is a very easy a cuz there's so there's so many close

cuz there's so there's so many close

cuz there's so there's so many close backs out there that just straight up

backs out there that just straight up

backs out there that just straight up suck and this one is one that I would

suck and this one is one that I would

suck and this one is one that I would describe as in almost every technical

describe as in almost every technical

describe as in almost every technical facet an exceptional closed back but it

facet an exceptional closed back but it

facet an exceptional closed back but it does lack on Dynamics and I think that

does lack on Dynamics and I think that

does lack on Dynamics and I think that Dynamics is the only thing stopping it

Dynamics is the only thing stopping it

Dynamics is the only thing stopping it from going into a higher tier than that

from going into a higher tier than that

from going into a higher tier than that but for me it has to sit at a tier uh

but for me it has to sit at a tier uh

but for me it has to sit at a tier uh for me it's a b tier um tone grade a um

for me it's a b tier um tone grade a um

for me it's a b tier um tone grade a um subjective B I think that uh yeah I'd

subjective B I think that uh yeah I'd

subjective B I think that uh yeah I'd probably put it in high B just because I

probably put it in high B just because I

probably put it in high B just because I do think it is better than the closed X

do think it is better than the closed X

do think it is better than the closed X but not by much like it's pretty darn

but not by much like it's pretty darn

but not by much like it's pretty darn similar they're within a margin of our

similar they're within a margin of our

similar they're within a margin of our our rankings are within a margin of each

our rankings are within a margin of each

our rankings are within a margin of each other yeah I think probably for similar

other yeah I think probably for similar

other yeah I think probably for similar assessments as well uh ether 2 what you

assessments as well uh ether 2 what you

assessments as well uh ether 2 what you think of this

think of this

think of this one uh D it just it didn't do anything

one uh D it just it didn't do anything

one uh D it just it didn't do anything for me but it also wasn't terrible yeah

for me but it also wasn't terrible yeah

for me but it also wasn't terrible yeah D for me as well uh tone grade D it's

D for me as well uh tone grade D it's

D for me as well uh tone grade D it's very dark uh and then the uh technical

very dark uh and then the uh technical

very dark uh and then the uh technical or subjective grade I gave it B because

or subjective grade I gave it B because

or subjective grade I gave it B because it does have a reasonably wide

it does have a reasonably wide

it does have a reasonably wide presentation or spacious kind of sound

presentation or spacious kind of sound

presentation or spacious kind of sound ether closed now okay here's a question

ether closed now okay here's a question

ether closed now okay here's a question for you what's the difference between

for you what's the difference between

for you what's the difference between the closed and the Sea

the closed and the Sea

the closed and the Sea flow uh basically like the magnet

flow uh basically like the magnet

flow uh basically like the magnet structure and then the damping so right

structure and then the damping so right

structure and then the damping so right but as far as how we're ranking these

but as far as how we're ranking these

but as far as how we're ranking these are we ranking this them as the same or

are we ranking this them as the same or

are we ranking this them as the same or are we saying they're two different I

are we saying they're two different I

are we saying they're two different I would say they're two different things

would say they're two different things

would say they're two different things cuz the the CF flow is notably less

cuz the the CF flow is notably less

cuz the the CF flow is notably less damped and notably more Dynamic than the

damped and notably more Dynamic than the

damped and notably more Dynamic than the uh regular ether closed is for me I

uh regular ether closed is for me I

uh regular ether closed is for me I still put both of them in B tier but I

still put both of them in B tier but I

still put both of them in B tier but I would put the C flow as a high B and the

would put the C flow as a high B and the

would put the C flow as a high B and the clo the regular ether clo as a low B

clo the regular ether clo as a low B

clo the regular ether clo as a low B whatever one it is that I spent time

whatever one it is that I spent time

whatever one it is that I spent time with because it wasn't the master up one

with because it wasn't the master up one

with because it wasn't the master up one it was the one one of the official ones

it was the one one of the official ones

it was the one one of the official ones from from DCA um right I get I thought

from from DCA um right I get I thought

from from DCA um right I get I thought that was also pretty good for its tuning

that was also pretty good for its tuning

that was also pretty good for its tuning like the I would give it a b as well and

like the I would give it a b as well and

like the I would give it a b as well and the subjective qualties that's closer to

the subjective qualties that's closer to

the subjective qualties that's closer to the

the

the closed and not the sea flow yes okay

closed and not the sea flow yes okay

closed and not the sea flow yes okay okay but I do feel like the SE flow was

okay but I do feel like the SE flow was

okay but I do feel like the SE flow was just like a refinement of that

just like a refinement of that

just like a refinement of that basically

basically

basically gotcha um

gotcha um

gotcha um expanse

expanse

expanse well I mean we know how I feel about

well I mean we know how I feel about

well I mean we know how I feel about this one

this one

this one um that one's a d for me D okay Cameron

um that one's a d for me D okay Cameron

um that one's a d for me D okay Cameron yep I went one high I put it in c i I

yep I went one high I put it in c i I

yep I went one high I put it in c i I thought that they they fixed a lot of

thought that they they fixed a lot of

thought that they they fixed a lot of the issues particularly the Dynamics on

the issues particularly the Dynamics on

the issues particularly the Dynamics on the stealth but seem to sacrifice too

the stealth but seem to sacrifice too

the stealth but seem to sacrifice too much oh I I HIC up to re bading that I'm

much oh I I HIC up to re bading that I'm

much oh I I HIC up to re bading that I'm going do that again that's going in

going do that again that's going in

going do that again that's going in there I I put

there I I put

there I I put that God damn it whilst they fixed a lot

that God damn it whilst they fixed a lot

that God damn it whilst they fixed a lot of the issues that I had in the stealth

of the issues that I had in the stealth

of the issues that I had in the stealth particularly the Dynamics it was just a

particularly the Dynamics it was just a

particularly the Dynamics it was just a lot punchier they gave up too much else

lot punchier they gave up too much else

lot punchier they gave up too much else it wasn't as detailed as the stealth the

it wasn't as detailed as the stealth the

it wasn't as detailed as the stealth the tuning I didn't think was quite as good

tuning I didn't think was quite as good

tuning I didn't think was quite as good um so I went and C yeah I went d uh with

um so I went and C yeah I went d uh with

um so I went and C yeah I went d uh with a tone grade of C so subjectively the

a tone grade of C so subjectively the

a tone grade of C so subjectively the sound signature was actually a lot worse

sound signature was actually a lot worse

sound signature was actually a lot worse than C I would put the tone grade in F

than C I would put the tone grade in F

than C I would put the tone grade in F but if it performs the way that I

but if it performs the way that I

but if it performs the way that I imagine it should perform on people's

imagine it should perform on people's

imagine it should perform on people's heads like the intended tuning let's say

heads like the intended tuning let's say

heads like the intended tuning let's say I think it would be higher so I had to

I think it would be higher so I had to

I think it would be higher so I had to kind of in the Middle with c um and uh

kind of in the Middle with c um and uh

kind of in the Middle with c um and uh so for whatever reason the whole um wave

so for whatever reason the whole um wave

so for whatever reason the whole um wave guide thing doesn't work for me um I I I

guide thing doesn't work for me um I I I

guide thing doesn't work for me um I I I assume we should probably clarify on

assume we should probably clarify on

assume we should probably clarify on that because obviously people will say

that because obviously people will say

that because obviously people will say oh but it's tuned to Harmon perfectly

oh but it's tuned to Harmon perfectly

oh but it's tuned to Harmon perfectly and stuff the issue isn't that it's the

and stuff the issue isn't that it's the

and stuff the issue isn't that it's the point that it's not when you put it on

point that it's not when you put it on

point that it's not when you put it on your head a lot of people's actual heads

your head a lot of people's actual heads

your head a lot of people's actual heads the inser performance is quite different

the inser performance is quite different

the inser performance is quite different to what you see when you put it on a

to what you see when you put it on a

to what you see when you put it on a grass R and that's so the head transfer

grass R and that's so the head transfer

grass R and that's so the head transfer function is

function is

function is is quite strong the effect of it is

is quite strong the effect of it is

is quite strong the effect of it is quite strong yeah with this yeah which

quite strong yeah with this yeah which

quite strong yeah with this yeah which also might mean that a lot of people are

also might mean that a lot of people are

also might mean that a lot of people are going to really love it for those same

going to really love it for those same

going to really love it for those same reasons uh but it's just well with that

reasons uh but it's just well with that

reasons uh but it's just well with that said I also I gave the subjective also a

said I also I gave the subjective also a

said I also I gave the subjective also a d because it sounds like it has negative

d because it sounds like it has negative

d because it sounds like it has negative Sound Stage it sounds like I'm inside

Sound Stage it sounds like I'm inside

Sound Stage it sounds like I'm inside out I didn't like that Som oh okay

out I didn't like that Som oh okay

out I didn't like that Som oh okay that's interesting I didn't get that I

that's interesting I didn't get that I

that's interesting I didn't get that I felt that it staged pretty not as well

felt that it staged pretty not as well

felt that it staged pretty not as well as other open it didn't sound like a

as other open it didn't sound like a

as other open it didn't sound like a open headphone but I thought it staged

open headphone but I thought it staged

open headphone but I thought it staged decently well it could also be because

decently well it could also be because

decently well it could also be because of the hptf

of the hptf

of the hptf effects yeah oh almost certainly yeah

effects yeah oh almost certainly yeah

effects yeah oh almost certainly yeah stealth uh I went a little higher with

stealth uh I went a little higher with

stealth uh I went a little higher with this one I gave this a b uh with a tone

this one I gave this a b uh with a tone

this one I gave this a b uh with a tone grade of b and a subjective grade of B

grade of b and a subjective grade of B

grade of b and a subjective grade of B yep B

yep B

yep B tier yep yep same for me uh it's the

tier yep yep same for me uh it's the

tier yep yep same for me uh it's the stealth for me was the

stealth for me was the

stealth for me was the most that's a headphone it's doing

most that's a headphone it's doing

most that's a headphone it's doing nothing really wrong it's doing nothing

nothing really wrong it's doing nothing

nothing really wrong it's doing nothing sort of outstanding it's

sort of outstanding it's

sort of outstanding it's just it's just just that how could you

just it's just just that how could you

just it's just just that how could you it matches the Haron Target so perfectly

it matches the Haron Target so perfectly

it matches the Haron Target so perfectly how could you grade it a be yeah maybe

how could you grade it a be yeah maybe

how could you grade it a be yeah maybe it does I don't know how it does on my

it does I don't know how it does on my

it does I don't know how it does on my head but it's uh it wasn't exciting but

head but it's uh it wasn't exciting but

head but it's uh it wasn't exciting but I also uh for a close back I think it's

I also uh for a close back I think it's

I also uh for a close back I think it's the best close back I've heard probably

the best close back I've heard probably

the best close back I've heard probably best close unless you're counting them

best close unless you're counting them

best close unless you're counting them more sort of esoteric tunings but but it

more sort of esoteric tunings but but it

more sort of esoteric tunings but but it is up there I'd say yeah it's certainly

is up there I'd say yeah it's certainly

is up there I'd say yeah it's certainly a lot better than the expans for me like

a lot better than the expans for me like

a lot better than the expans for me like I might take a well we'll talk about zmf

I might take a well we'll talk about zmf

I might take a well we'll talk about zmf in a bit but if you're talking sort of

in a bit but if you're talking sort of

in a bit but if you're talking sort of neutralist tuning for me it's close

neutralist tuning for me it's close

neutralist tuning for me it's close gotcha uh vce I this is X for me because

gotcha uh vce I this is X for me because

gotcha uh vce I this is X for me because I have not spent time with it yeah I put

I have not spent time with it yeah I put

I have not spent time with it yeah I put that in the F how did this happen for me

that in the F how did this happen for me

that in the F how did this happen for me I that was I really did not like that

I that was I really did not like that

I that was I really did not like that headphone at

headphone at

headphone at all which uh made me surprised for the

all which uh made me surprised for the

all which uh made me surprised for the next one Karina cuz I put that in an a

next one Karina cuz I put that in an a

next one Karina cuz I put that in an a that was like complete opposite end of

that was like complete opposite end of

that was like complete opposite end of the spectrum for me from the

the spectrum for me from the

the spectrum for me from the voce yeah I also put Karina in the a

voce yeah I also put Karina in the a

voce yeah I also put Karina in the a tier that one is really solid it's like

tier that one is really solid it's like

tier that one is really solid it's like one of the better eats I've heard it's

one of the better eats I've heard it's

one of the better eats I've heard it's an eat that does Bas it's detailed it's

an eat that does Bas it's detailed it's

an eat that does Bas it's detailed it's tuned well it's built beautifully

tuned well it's built beautifully

tuned well it's built beautifully there's not really much I can complain

there's not really much I can complain

there's not really much I can complain about yeah now I want to try that one

about yeah now I want to try that one

about yeah now I want to try that one get that in future DMS here this is

get that in future DMS here this is

get that in future DMS here this is after we filmed the teer list video now

after we filmed the teer list video now

after we filmed the teer list video now I've covered DCA E3 which wasn't out at

I've covered DCA E3 which wasn't out at

I've covered DCA E3 which wasn't out at the time we originally filming this

the time we originally filming this

the time we originally filming this video this is like the Noir but end game

video this is like the Noir but end game

video this is like the Noir but end game and if the Noir as a tier then I

and if the Noir as a tier then I

and if the Noir as a tier then I personally have to put this in s it's

personally have to put this in s it's

personally have to put this in s it's the best closed-back headphone that I

the best closed-back headphone that I

the best closed-back headphone that I have ever heard by a massive margin in

have ever heard by a massive margin in

have ever heard by a massive margin in fact it's also better than most open

fact it's also better than most open

fact it's also better than most open back headphones okay back to when we

back headphones okay back to when we

back headphones okay back to when we filmed things I think we're down to

filmed things I think we're down to

filmed things I think we're down to we're on to uh Denon now the ahd

we're on to uh Denon now the ahd

we're on to uh Denon now the ahd 9200 how did you guys grade that

9200 how did you guys grade that

9200 how did you guys grade that one uh C tier C for me c for me as well

one uh C tier C for me c for me as well

one uh C tier C for me c for me as well uh with a tone grade of D and a

uh with a tone grade of D and a

uh with a tone grade of D and a subjective grade of a um

subjective grade of a um

subjective grade of a um d7200 haven't heard it haven't heard

d7200 haven't heard it haven't heard

d7200 haven't heard it haven't heard that one haven't heard it

that one haven't heard it

that one haven't heard it d101 creative Rana live emu Purple Heart

d101 creative Rana live emu Purple Heart

d101 creative Rana live emu Purple Heart C tier it's a very good C tier yeah yeah

C tier it's a very good C tier yeah yeah

C tier it's a very good C tier yeah yeah high C tier especially the creative Rana

high C tier especially the creative Rana

high C tier especially the creative Rana life just cuz for the value for money

life just cuz for the value for money

life just cuz for the value for money it's uh really quite compelling I think

it's uh really quite compelling I think

it's uh really quite compelling I think purple hearts are like 80 bucks as well

purple hearts are like 80 bucks as well

purple hearts are like 80 bucks as well right yeah it's at that price is pretty

right yeah it's at that price is pretty

right yeah it's at that price is pretty hard to argue against it's not you know

hard to argue against it's not you know

hard to argue against it's not you know an amazing headphone but for that much

an amazing headphone but for that much

an amazing headphone but for that much money it's an excellent choice

money it's an excellent choice

money it's an excellent choice yeah I uh I also gave it C uh tone of B

yeah I uh I also gave it C uh tone of B

yeah I uh I also gave it C uh tone of B and subjective C uh

and subjective C uh

and subjective C uh D5200 I haven't had this one I haven't

D5200 I haven't had this one I haven't

D5200 I haven't had this one I haven't heard that one either haven't heard it I

heard that one either haven't heard it I

heard that one either haven't heard it I I've heard like the old like before they

I've heard like the old like before they

I've heard like the old like before they went to the the 200 series like so 5,000

went to the the 200 series like so 5,000

went to the the 200 series like so 5,000 and 7,000 and 2,000 but not the new ones

and 7,000 and 2,000 but not the new ones

and 7,000 and 2,000 but not the new ones um so yeah final audio uh I know there

um so yeah final audio uh I know there

um so yeah final audio uh I know there are a bunch of final Audio headphones

are a bunch of final Audio headphones

are a bunch of final Audio headphones but the only one I put on this list uh

but the only one I put on this list uh

but the only one I put on this list uh that everyone

that everyone

that everyone heard was the d8000 pro um and I gave

heard was the d8000 pro um and I gave

heard was the d8000 pro um and I gave this an a with a tone of b and a

this an a with a tone of b and a

this an a with a tone of b and a subjective of s yeah I also gave this an

subjective of s yeah I also gave this an

subjective of s yeah I also gave this an a tier I put it in a I was really

a tier I put it in a I was really

a tier I put it in a I was really tempted to put it in s cuz I love them a

tempted to put it in s cuz I love them a

tempted to put it in s cuz I love them a lot the limited edition especially I

lot the limited edition especially I

lot the limited edition especially I know it's it's not supposed to sound

know it's it's not supposed to sound

know it's it's not supposed to sound different but it absolutely does I've

different but it absolutely does I've

different but it absolutely does I've tried them both side by side the reason

tried them both side by side the reason

tried them both side by side the reason I didn't quite put in uh it could be but

I didn't quite put in uh it could be but

I didn't quite put in uh it could be but one of them went like six or something

one of them went like six or something

one of them went like six or something DB louder before clipping

DB louder before clipping

DB louder before clipping so it did definitely seem to be

so it did definitely seem to be

so it did definitely seem to be something different um okay but the

something different um okay but the

something different um okay but the reason I put it in a rather than S is

reason I put it in a rather than S is

reason I put it in a rather than S is just because the comfort is such that I

just because the comfort is such that I

just because the comfort is such that I can only wear them for an hour or so and

can only wear them for an hour or so and

can only wear them for an hour or so and whilst normally I'm not ranking comfort

whilst normally I'm not ranking comfort

whilst normally I'm not ranking comfort that level of uh not being able to wear

that level of uh not being able to wear

that level of uh not being able to wear them for long I I had to knock it down

them for long I I had to knock it down

them for long I I had to knock it down to

to 10 well if you can't listen to them you

10 well if you can't listen to them you

10 well if you can't listen to them you know then then that has an effect on the

know then then that has an effect on the

know then then that has an effect on the sound quality yeah yes doesn't sound

sound quality yeah yes doesn't sound

sound quality yeah yes doesn't sound great sitting on the desk so

great sitting on the desk so

great sitting on the desk so focal focal alegia how'd you guys rank

focal focal alegia how'd you guys rank

focal focal alegia how'd you guys rank this

this

this one um I got to find it cuz we're in

one um I got to find it cuz we're in

one um I got to find it cuz we're in slightly different orders for me Alesia

slightly different orders for me Alesia

slightly different orders for me Alesia was a CER yep C for me as well C for me

was a CER yep C for me as well C for me

was a CER yep C for me as well C for me as well I gave it a tone of d and a

as well I gave it a tone of d and a

as well I gave it a tone of d and a subjective of B There You Go

subjective of B There You Go

subjective of B There You Go AER earier I did not like that was like

AER earier I did not like that was like

AER earier I did not like that was like the

the

the first air quote dark bright quote

first air quote dark bright quote

first air quote dark bright quote headphone that I had ever encountered

headphone that I had ever encountered

headphone that I had ever encountered and it just reminds me of like if the

and it just reminds me of like if the

and it just reminds me of like if the Nighthawk was technical so I do not like

Nighthawk was technical so I do not like

Nighthawk was technical so I do not like the aier for me it is a d tier same for

the aier for me it is a d tier same for

the aier for me it is a d tier same for me uh similar kind of thoughts it was

me uh similar kind of thoughts it was

me uh similar kind of thoughts it was weirdly boxy but etchy at the same time

weirdly boxy but etchy at the same time

weirdly boxy but etchy at the same time I just didn't get on with that one D

I just didn't get on with that one D

I just didn't get on with that one D tier for me so I went C tier tone of

tier for me so I went C tier tone of

tier for me so I went C tier tone of c and subjective of

c and subjective of

c and subjective of a the reason is because when you swap

a the reason is because when you swap

a the reason is because when you swap out the pads and I know we're not we're

out the pads and I know we're not we're

out the pads and I know we're not we're not ranking based on pad swaps but

not ranking based on pad swaps but

not ranking based on pad swaps but that's why you know for me the sub

that's why you know for me the sub

that's why you know for me the sub subjective was higher it the Dynamics

subjective was higher it the Dynamics

subjective was higher it the Dynamics thing very well fair enough uh and then

thing very well fair enough uh and then

thing very well fair enough uh and then moving to the next one the Alex I ranked

moving to the next one the Alex I ranked

moving to the next one the Alex I ranked as a b with a tone of b and a subjective

as a b with a tone of b and a subjective

as a b with a tone of b and a subjective also of a I put that one a I know that

also of a I put that one a I know that

also of a I put that one a I know that it's the aier with different pads but it

it's the aier with different pads but it

it's the aier with different pads but it is notably better tuned than the aier

is notably better tuned than the aier

is notably better tuned than the aier because of that I never had a problem

because of that I never had a problem

because of that I never had a problem with the technical capability of the

with the technical capability of the

with the technical capability of the aier it was always the tuning so the

aier it was always the tuning so the

aier it was always the tuning so the Alex for me is an easy a tier same for

Alex for me is an easy a tier same for

Alex for me is an easy a tier same for me uh I had an Alex for a bit a tier

me uh I had an Alex for a bit a tier

me uh I had an Alex for a bit a tier easily uh they that that's probably my

easily uh they that that's probably my

easily uh they that that's probably my favorite vocal behind the Utopia

favorite vocal behind the Utopia

favorite vocal behind the Utopia interesting um next we have the clear

interesting um next we have the clear

interesting um next we have the clear which I gave a b with a tone grid of b

which I gave a b with a tone grid of b

which I gave a b with a tone grid of b and a subjective of a and I basically

and a subjective of a and I basically

and a subjective of a and I basically felt the Alex and the clear are so close

felt the Alex and the clear are so close

felt the Alex and the clear are so close to one another and like I have a

to one another and like I have a

to one another and like I have a preference for the clear as well but

preference for the clear as well but

preference for the clear as well but it's not enough to where it puts it in a

it's not enough to where it puts it in a

it's not enough to where it puts it in a separate category yeah I feel similarly

separate category yeah I feel similarly

separate category yeah I feel similarly about them but the the clear I put an a

about them but the the clear I put an a

about them but the the clear I put an a tier as well as the Alex I put the clear

tier as well as the Alex I put the clear

tier as well as the Alex I put the clear in B just because I had a fairly strong

in B just because I had a fairly strong

in B just because I had a fairly strong preference for the Alex over the clear

preference for the Alex over the clear

preference for the Alex over the clear so I had to put that one one to you know

so I had to put that one one to you know

so I had to put that one one to you know what's interesting is there's another

what's interesting is there's another

what's interesting is there's another there is another advantage to the Air

there is another advantage to the Air

there is another advantage to the Air Platform sorry Alex right or Lear with

Platform sorry Alex right or Lear with

Platform sorry Alex right or Lear with alternate pads um and it's the higher

alternate pads um and it's the higher

alternate pads um and it's the higher impedance meaning it is a little bit U

impedance meaning it is a little bit U

impedance meaning it is a little bit U more flexible with the sources that you

more flexible with the sources that you

more flexible with the sources that you want to run so if you want to run like I

want to run so if you want to run like I

want to run so if you want to run like I mean yeah like anytime you run it off of

mean yeah like anytime you run it off of

mean yeah like anytime you run it off of anything that has high output impedance

anything that has high output impedance

anything that has high output impedance you are going to reduce the volume

you are going to reduce the volume

you are going to reduce the volume threshold before it clips and people do

threshold before it clips and people do

threshold before it clips and people do that and they're like oh it Clips it's

that and they're like oh it Clips it's

that and they're like oh it Clips it's like actually because of the higher

like actually because of the higher

like actually because of the higher outut impedance thing right um

outut impedance thing right um

outut impedance thing right um but with the air Alex you have a bit

but with the air Alex you have a bit

but with the air Alex you have a bit more headro um than you do with the

more headro um than you do with the

more headro um than you do with the clear because it has higher impedance

clear because it has higher impedance

clear because it has higher impedance clear

clear

clear mg that is a c for me I uh I put that

mg that is a c for me I uh I put that

mg that is a c for me I uh I put that one in D simply because there's a

one in D simply because there's a

one in D simply because there's a resonance or something at 18 khz which

resonance or something at 18 khz which

resonance or something at 18 khz which just fatigued me a lot Mr I can hear 18

just fatigued me a lot Mr I can hear 18

just fatigued me a lot Mr I can hear 18 khz over here well no I'm I'm saying it

khz over here well no I'm I'm saying it

khz over here well no I'm I'm saying it because there's going to be a lot of

because there's going to be a lot of

because there's going to be a lot of people if you're over 30 it's not going

people if you're over 30 it's not going

people if you're over 30 it's not going to be a problem so that's uh that's

to be a problem so that's uh that's

to be a problem so that's uh that's specifically for kind of you know young

specifically for kind of you know young

specifically for kind of you know young purchases so I have a few months until

purchases so I have a few months until

purchases so I have a few months until I'm 30 so I I I can start enjoying the

I'm 30 so I I I can start enjoying the

I'm 30 so I I I can start enjoying the clear yeah it and it immediately shuts

clear yeah it and it immediately shuts

clear yeah it and it immediately shuts off as soon as it turn that's it in like

off as soon as it turn that's it in like

off as soon as it turn that's it in like a few months I can start enjoying the

a few months I can start enjoying the

a few months I can start enjoying the clear mg but right now there's no

clear mg but right now there's no

clear mg but right now there's no way yeah um yeah for me I I also went C

way yeah um yeah for me I I also went C

way yeah um yeah for me I I also went C I went with a tone grade of c and a

I went with a tone grade of c and a

I went with a tone grade of c and a subjective grade of B

subjective grade of B

subjective grade of B celesty that's a b tier for me yeah B

celesty that's a b tier for me yeah B

celesty that's a b tier for me yeah B tier for me as well I kind of liked it

tier for me as well I kind of liked it

tier for me as well I kind of liked it similar amounts to the clear the tuning

similar amounts to the clear the tuning

similar amounts to the clear the tuning is not quite

is not quite

is not quite as uh realistic but it was really

as uh realistic but it was really

as uh realistic but it was really enjoyable and uh yeah B tier for me B

enjoyable and uh yeah B tier for me B

enjoyable and uh yeah B tier for me B tier for me as well B's across the board

tier for me as well B's across the board

tier for me as well B's across the board uh Radiance also B yeah I gave this one

uh Radiance also B yeah I gave this one

uh Radiance also B yeah I gave this one an a actually because well for me this

an a actually because well for me this

an a actually because well for me this was the close back that I enjoyed the

was the close back that I enjoyed the

was the close back that I enjoyed the most with a tone grade of a and

most with a tone grade of a and

most with a tone grade of a and subjective of B but um the the thing

subjective of B but um the the thing

subjective of B but um the the thing that is there there is also some I'm not

that is there there is also some I'm not

that is there there is also some I'm not sure if it's unit variation or pad

sure if it's unit variation or pad

sure if it's unit variation or pad variation that cuz found some where

variation that cuz found some where

variation that cuz found some where there was a mucher b hump than the one

there was a mucher b hump than the one

there was a mucher b hump than the one that I liked the best so take that with

that I liked the best so take that with

that I liked the best so take that with an asterisk well here's the thing I like

an asterisk well here's the thing I like

an asterisk well here's the thing I like the radiance more than I like a lot of

the radiance more than I like a lot of

the radiance more than I like a lot of other clo backs but ranking it just on

other clo backs but ranking it just on

other clo backs but ranking it just on the sound quality it ends up being a B

the sound quality it ends up being a B

the sound quality it ends up being a B for me even though it's one of my

for me even though it's one of my

for me even though it's one of my favorite closed backs for other reasons

favorite closed backs for other reasons

favorite closed backs for other reasons like build and comfort and all that

like build and comfort and all that

like build and comfort and all that that's fair Cameron uh B uh stellia I

that's fair Cameron uh B uh stellia I

that's fair Cameron uh B uh stellia I had that one in a c the tuning was just

had that one in a c the tuning was just

had that one in a c the tuning was just a little bit too Off the Mark I I didn't

a little bit too Off the Mark I I didn't

a little bit too Off the Mark I I didn't quite get on with it but I well no

quite get on with it but I well no

quite get on with it but I well no actually that's not true the first track

actually that's not true the first track

actually that's not true the first track I played on it I can't remember what it

I played on it I can't remember what it

I played on it I can't remember what it was I thought oh this is fantastic and

was I thought oh this is fantastic and

was I thought oh this is fantastic and then I swapped to something else and it

then I swapped to something else and it

then I swapped to something else and it didn't quite work so depends on what

didn't quite work so depends on what

didn't quite work so depends on what you're listening to but not quite as

you're listening to but not quite as

you're listening to but not quite as allrounder capable for me so I put it C

allrounder capable for me so I put it C

allrounder capable for me so I put it C uh yeah for me similar kind of feeling

uh yeah for me similar kind of feeling

uh yeah for me similar kind of feeling but I just was a little bit farther down

but I just was a little bit farther down

but I just was a little bit farther down the rabbit hole so for me it was a d

the rabbit hole so for me it was a d

the rabbit hole so for me it was a d tier uh for me it's a b um interesting

tier uh for me it's a b um interesting

tier uh for me it's a b um interesting the split here uh with a with a tone

the split here uh with a with a tone

the split here uh with a with a tone grade of C and a subjective grade of a I

grade of C and a subjective grade of a I

grade of C and a subjective grade of a I found to be very very

found to be very very

found to be very very subjectively interesting but there are

subjectively interesting but there are

subjectively interesting but there are more tuning quirks there than any of the

more tuning quirks there than any of the

more tuning quirks there than any of the other focal clo backs except for the

other focal clo backs except for the

other focal clo backs except for the algia Utopia uh before we rank them wait

algia Utopia uh before we rank them wait

algia Utopia uh before we rank them wait before we rank them which of the two do

before we rank them which of the two do

before we rank them which of the two do you guys just prefer and why from the

you guys just prefer and why from the

you guys just prefer and why from the new toia versus the old Topia oh for me

new toia versus the old Topia oh for me

new toia versus the old Topia oh for me it's a very very strong preference

it's a very very strong preference

it's a very very strong preference towards Utopia 2 because Utopia 1 hit

towards Utopia 2 because Utopia 1 hit

towards Utopia 2 because Utopia 1 hit something in the treble that was just

something in the treble that was just

something in the treble that was just like it made Wiz constantly I'm a clear

like it made Wiz constantly I'm a clear

like it made Wiz constantly I'm a clear preference I wouldn't say clear

preference I wouldn't say clear

preference I wouldn't say clear preference I I have a mild preference

preference I I have a mild preference

preference I I have a mild preference for Utopia 1 uh because I never found

for Utopia 1 uh because I never found

for Utopia 1 uh because I never found any issues with the uh treble Peaks but

any issues with the uh treble Peaks but

any issues with the uh treble Peaks but the other thing is none of the units

the other thing is none of the units

the other thing is none of the units that I reviewed had massive trouble

that I reviewed had massive trouble

that I reviewed had massive trouble either so I don't really know what's

either so I don't really know what's

either so I don't really know what's going on there I uh I can't decide which

going on there I uh I can't decide which

going on there I uh I can't decide which one I like more I liked the old Utopia

one I like more I liked the old Utopia

one I like more I liked the old Utopia because it was a little bit more

because it was a little bit more

because it was a little bit more different and kind of its own thing and

different and kind of its own thing and

different and kind of its own thing and a little bit over thep top sounding so

a little bit over thep top sounding so

a little bit over thep top sounding so it was great if you had other headphones

it was great if you had other headphones

it was great if you had other headphones you could go to but the Utopia 2 I

you could go to but the Utopia 2 I

you could go to but the Utopia 2 I thought was a much better allrounder but

thought was a much better allrounder but

thought was a much better allrounder but I couldn't pick between them in terms of

I couldn't pick between them in terms of

I couldn't pick between them in terms of I think that that makes the most sense

I think that that makes the most sense

I think that that makes the most sense yeah that's kind of how I would yeah I'd

yeah that's kind of how I would yeah I'd

yeah that's kind of how I would yeah I'd pick the old Topia if you have a

pick the old Topia if you have a

pick the old Topia if you have a collection of headphones already I'd

collection of headphones already I'd

collection of headphones already I'd pick the new Topia if you getting it as

pick the new Topia if you getting it as

pick the new Topia if you getting it as your main headphone so for me with so

your main headphone so for me with so

your main headphone so for me with so Utopia 1 I ranked it as an S with a tone

Utopia 1 I ranked it as an S with a tone

Utopia 1 I ranked it as an S with a tone grade of a and subjective of s and then

grade of a and subjective of s and then

grade of a and subjective of s and then Utopia 2 I ranked as an a with a tone

Utopia 2 I ranked as an a with a tone

Utopia 2 I ranked as an a with a tone grade of a and a subjective of s so

grade of a and a subjective of s so

grade of a and a subjective of s so they're close but just one slightly

they're close but just one slightly

they're close but just one slightly behind the other you know funny enough I

behind the other you know funny enough I

behind the other you know funny enough I also ranked Utopia 2 as an A but I put

also ranked Utopia 2 as an A but I put

also ranked Utopia 2 as an A but I put Utopia original as a b just because of

Utopia original as a b just because of

Utopia original as a b just because of what it it does for me personally in the

what it it does for me personally in the

what it it does for me personally in the trouble I put them both in an a I would

trouble I put them both in an a I would

trouble I put them both in an a I would have put the original Utopia in an S if

have put the original Utopia in an S if

have put the original Utopia in an S if it had slightly better subbase extension

it had slightly better subbase extension

it had slightly better subbase extension or if we were factoring an EQ in part of

or if we were factoring an EQ in part of

or if we were factoring an EQ in part of this but we're not so I'm putting both

this but we're not so I'm putting both

this but we're not so I'm putting both of them in a very high a I think they're

of them in a very high a I think they're

of them in a very high a I think they're better than some of the other headphones

better than some of the other headphones

better than some of the other headphones in a but not quite high enough to go in

in a but not quite high enough to go in

in a but not quite high enough to go in s on to fastex oh boy t50

s on to fastex oh boy t50

s on to fastex oh boy t50 RP uh C tier C for me yeah I couldn't

RP uh C tier C for me yeah I couldn't

RP uh C tier C for me yeah I couldn't sort of couldn't quite get along with it

sort of couldn't quite get along with it

sort of couldn't quite get along with it as my main headphone but it's uh it's

as my main headphone but it's uh it's

as my main headphone but it's uh it's not bad C for me as well C's across the

not bad C for me as well C's across the

not bad C for me as well C's across the board uh trx00 ebony d d really yeah

board uh trx00 ebony d d really yeah

board uh trx00 ebony d d really yeah interesting say same for you Cameron

interesting say same for you Cameron

interesting say same for you Cameron yeah yeah same for me I went C C's

yeah yeah same for me I went C C's

yeah yeah same for me I went C C's across the board t60

across the board t60

across the board t60 RP that's a c tier for me but it's a

RP that's a c tier for me but it's a

RP that's a c tier for me but it's a higher C tier than the original t50 it's

higher C tier than the original t50 it's

higher C tier than the original t50 it's got different pads that are a bit deeper

got different pads that are a bit deeper

got different pads that are a bit deeper more comfortable and do some slightly

more comfortable and do some slightly

more comfortable and do some slightly better things but it's still in the C

better things but it's still in the C

better things but it's still in the C tier yeah I'd agree with that as well I

tier yeah I'd agree with that as well I

tier yeah I'd agree with that as well I put it in C as well I haven't heard the

put it in C as well I haven't heard the

put it in C as well I haven't heard the t60 RP so I'll abstain and same with

t60 RP so I'll abstain and same with

t60 RP so I'll abstain and same with th900 and th909 so up to you guys where

th900 and th909 so up to you guys where

th900 and th909 so up to you guys where you want to rank those I put both of

you want to rank those I put both of

you want to rank those I put both of those in D tier um I put both of them in

those in D tier um I put both of them in

those in D tier um I put both of them in D I would put the asteris though that I

D I would put the asteris though that I

D I would put the asteris though that I would actually kind of like to own one

would actually kind of like to own one

would actually kind of like to own one just because there are some tracks which

just because there are some tracks which

just because there are some tracks which are just super Slammy which these

are just super Slammy which these

are just super Slammy which these headphones are really fun with but oh my

headphones are really fun with but oh my

headphones are really fun with but oh my God they're really sharp and peaky as

God they're really sharp and peaky as

God they're really sharp and peaky as well so uh couldn't listen to them very

well so uh couldn't listen to them very

well so uh couldn't listen to them very long uh onto gold

long uh onto gold

long uh onto gold planer

planer

planer gl2000 um I rated this as a d with a

gl2000 um I rated this as a d with a

gl2000 um I rated this as a d with a tone grade of D and a subjective grade

tone grade of D and a subjective grade

tone grade of D and a subjective grade of C uh I put both of the gold plan R

of C uh I put both of the gold plan R

of C uh I put both of the gold plan R headphones in

I can see why when when have you ever

I can see why when when have you ever outside of the first month that they

outside of the first month that they

outside of the first month that they were hype trained have you ever seen

were hype trained have you ever seen

were hype trained have you ever seen anyone ever again recommend a gold plane

anyone ever again recommend a gold plane

anyone ever again recommend a gold plane or headphone because I haven't has zoos

or headphone because I haven't has zoos

or headphone because I haven't has zoos even recommended it again I don't think

even recommended it again I don't think

even recommended it again I don't think so I think zoos stopped because he uh he

so I think zoos stopped because he uh he

so I think zoos stopped because he uh he really liked the one that he got sent

really liked the one that he got sent

really liked the one that he got sent and then a friend of his who had bought

and then a friend of his who had bought

and then a friend of his who had bought one came over to his house and he

one came over to his house and he

one came over to his house and he listened to that pair and it was

listened to that pair and it was

listened to that pair and it was considerably worse so he stopped

considerably worse so he stopped

considerably worse so he stopped recommending them after that I think

recommending them after that I think

recommending them after that I think yeah

yeah

yeah yeah they were not great um the cup also

yeah they were not great um the cup also

yeah they were not great um the cup also fell off of the one that they sent me

fell off of the one that they sent me

fell off of the one that they sent me after a

after a

after a while um okay next one is the AMT one

while um okay next one is the AMT one

while um okay next one is the AMT one and I think it's like the GL 850 or

and I think it's like the GL 850 or

and I think it's like the GL 850 or something like that F again for

something like that F again for

something like that F again for me yeah so interestingly with that one I

me yeah so interestingly with that one I

me yeah so interestingly with that one I found the subjective qualities to be

found the subjective qualities to be

found the subjective qualities to be interesting um so I actually give the

interesting um so I actually give the

interesting um so I actually give the subjective qualities a b but the tuning

subjective qualities a b but the tuning

subjective qualities a b but the tuning was also odd I would say uh so it it it

was also odd I would say uh so it it it

was also odd I would say uh so it it it gets a low C for me oh sorry Cameron did

gets a low C for me oh sorry Cameron did

gets a low C for me oh sorry Cameron did you hear the AMT one from no no okay um

you hear the AMT one from no no okay um

you hear the AMT one from no no okay um yeah so now we're on to Gro and I'm just

yeah so now we're on to Gro and I'm just

yeah so now we're on to Gro and I'm just going to say all of these are in how did

going to say all of these are in how did

going to say all of these are in how did this happen for me I I just I can't I

this happen for me I I just I can't I

this happen for me I I just I can't I can't get into any of the Gros they're

can't get into any of the Gros they're

can't get into any of the Gros they're just peaky and horrible and they fit

just peaky and horrible and they fit

just peaky and horrible and they fit horribly so if people love Gros don't

horribly so if people love Gros don't

horribly so if people love Gros don't listen to what I have to say so both of

listen to what I have to say so both of

listen to what I have to say so both of the the 8X and the 225x I both put an F

the the 8X and the 225x I both put an F

the the 8X and the 225x I both put an F but the three 325x I put in D cuz the

but the three 325x I put in D cuz the

but the three 325x I put in D cuz the 325x had still some like treess going on

325x had still some like treess going on

325x had still some like treess going on but a lot less than every other Gro I've

but a lot less than every other Gro I've

but a lot less than every other Gro I've ever had here and the hemp I also put in

ever had here and the hemp I also put in

ever had here and the hemp I also put in D just because I know how many people

D just because I know how many people

D just because I know how many people love the hemp the hemp I feel like isn't

love the hemp the hemp I feel like isn't

love the hemp the hemp I feel like isn't a bad headphone necessarily it's just

a bad headphone necessarily it's just

a bad headphone necessarily it's just ridiculously overpriced for the sound

ridiculously overpriced for the sound

ridiculously overpriced for the sound and the build quality and everything

and the build quality and everything

and the build quality and everything about it but it's not something I'd hate

about it but it's not something I'd hate

about it but it's not something I'd hate listening to but I I did put that in D

listening to but I I did put that in D

listening to but I I did put that in D just because of the price 325x I've got

just because of the price 325x I've got

just because of the price 325x I've got in D and then the other two I've got an

in D and then the other two I've got an

in D and then the other two I've got an F but would also be quite happy to put

F but would also be quite happy to put

F but would also be quite happy to put them in how did this happen uh no

them in how did this happen uh no

them in how did this happen uh no arguments from just knocking them down

arguments from just knocking them down

arguments from just knocking them down there I think out of out of the hemp

there I think out of out of the hemp

there I think out of out of the hemp 325x Sr 8X and 225x the only one that I

325x Sr 8X and 225x the only one that I

325x Sr 8X and 225x the only one that I would bump up is probably the hemp I can

would bump up is probably the hemp I can

would bump up is probably the hemp I can see the argument for the 325x as well

see the argument for the 325x as well

see the argument for the 325x as well because they're very similar but but

because they're very similar but but

because they're very similar but but with the with the requirement of

with the with the requirement of

with the with the requirement of different pads you know that they the

different pads you know that they the

different pads you know that they the ones that don't yeah feel the stock pads

ones that don't yeah feel the stock pads

ones that don't yeah feel the stock pads the stock pads are the ones with less

the stock pads are the ones with less

the stock pads are the ones with less trouble on the 325 oh are they okay well

trouble on the 325 oh are they okay well

trouble on the 325 oh are they okay well with the hemp I was using I found some

with the hemp I was using I found some

with the hemp I was using I found some geek Ria pads I just uh I couldn't get

geek Ria pads I just uh I couldn't get

geek Ria pads I just uh I couldn't get into the the comfort of any of them

into the the comfort of any of them

into the the comfort of any of them without doing a pad mod the the hemp's

without doing a pad mod the the hemp's

without doing a pad mod the the hemp's build quality in my view was um actually

build quality in my view was um actually

build quality in my view was um actually unacceptable so yeah I think for all of

unacceptable so yeah I think for all of

unacceptable so yeah I think for all of them gr just builds things like crap the

them gr just builds things like crap the

them gr just builds things like crap the fact that the the AliExpress knockoffs

fact that the the AliExpress knockoffs

fact that the the AliExpress knockoffs you could get were considerably Better

you could get were considerably Better

you could get were considerably Better Built than the Gros was a bit

Built than the Gros was a bit

Built than the Gros was a bit embarrassing oh no no yeah okay uh I

embarrassing oh no no yeah okay uh I

embarrassing oh no no yeah okay uh I think we can move on to harmonic diine

think we can move on to harmonic diine

think we can move on to harmonic diine uh g200 uh I G I give this a b which is

uh g200 uh I G I give this a b which is

uh g200 uh I G I give this a b which is weird because it's not technically good

weird because it's not technically good

weird because it's not technically good um in fact the headphone itself is a has

um in fact the headphone itself is a has

um in fact the headphone itself is a has a severely flawed mechanical design um

a severely flawed mechanical design um

a severely flawed mechanical design um and the pads don't work for it at all uh

and the pads don't work for it at all uh

and the pads don't work for it at all uh but the so also the the tuning is a bit

but the so also the the tuning is a bit

but the so also the the tuning is a bit odd I gave the tuning a c uh but the

odd I gave the tuning a c uh but the

odd I gave the tuning a c uh but the subjective uh qualities I gave an a

subjective uh qualities I gave an a

subjective uh qualities I gave an a because this is essentially an LCD 3 um

because this is essentially an LCD 3 um

because this is essentially an LCD 3 um I mean it's not an lcd3 obviously lcd3

I mean it's not an lcd3 obviously lcd3

I mean it's not an lcd3 obviously lcd3 at home yeah it's lcd3 at home and um

at home yeah it's lcd3 at home and um

at home yeah it's lcd3 at home and um like to the point where this is that

like to the point where this is that

like to the point where this is that that driver from I believe it's fine uh

that driver from I believe it's fine uh

that driver from I believe it's fine uh where you know there was all that drama

where you know there was all that drama

where you know there was all that drama about um you know they them ripping off

about um you know they them ripping off

about um you know they them ripping off the Odyssey driver but the thing is it

the Odyssey driver but the thing is it

the Odyssey driver but the thing is it still is a good driver like or it still

still is a good driver like or it still

still is a good driver like or it still is a capable driver so all the

is a capable driver so all the

is a capable driver so all the lcd3 D like low harm Etc that's it's all

lcd3 D like low harm Etc that's it's all

lcd3 D like low harm Etc that's it's all there I put in C here okay

there I put in C here okay

there I put in C here okay yeah uh

yeah uh

yeah uh Zeus b b b for me as well with a tone

Zeus b b b for me as well with a tone

Zeus b b b for me as well with a tone grade of c and subjective of B Poseidon

grade of c and subjective of B Poseidon

grade of c and subjective of B Poseidon uh Poseidon d d for me as well and with

uh Poseidon d d for me as well and with

uh Poseidon d d for me as well and with a tone gr of okay tone grade of c and

a tone gr of okay tone grade of c and

a tone gr of okay tone grade of c and subjective of D that's a blunty boy uh

subjective of D that's a blunty boy uh

subjective of D that's a blunty boy uh Athena I have not heard this one haven't

Athena I have not heard this one haven't

Athena I have not heard this one haven't heard it I haven't heard this one uh

heard it I haven't heard this one uh

heard it I haven't heard this one uh Helios I gave it a c across the board

Helios I gave it a c across the board

Helios I gave it a c across the board yep C I gave it a c but I've just got to

yep C I gave it a c but I've just got to

yep C I gave it a c but I've just got to shout out the fact that they have an S

shout out the fact that they have an S

shout out the fact that they have an S tier packaging for the price it's like

tier packaging for the price it's like

tier packaging for the price it's like what $300 or something and it comes in a

what $300 or something and it comes in a

what $300 or something and it comes in a case with badge and everything and the

case with badge and everything and the

case with badge and everything and the pads are so comfy and it's the

pads are so comfy and it's the

pads are so comfy and it's the headphones not necessarily built the

headphones not necessarily built the

headphones not necessarily built the best but the packaging and everything is

best but the packaging and everything is

best but the packaging and everything is uh better than a lot of multi- kilobot

uh better than a lot of multi- kilobot

uh better than a lot of multi- kilobot headphones so I've got to say thanks for

headphones so I've got to say thanks for

headphones so I've got to say thanks for doing that yeah I I agree and the uh the

doing that yeah I I agree and the uh the

doing that yeah I I agree and the uh the yeah the quality of the pads is good

yeah the quality of the pads is good

yeah the quality of the pads is good like the material itself feels good

like the material itself feels good

like the material itself feels good really comfy yeah head audio so this is

really comfy yeah head audio so this is

really comfy yeah head audio so this is this one we will probably disagree on

this one we will probably disagree on

this one we will probably disagree on probably headphone one let's start there

probably headphone one let's start there

probably headphone one let's start there I put that in an a tier a across the

I put that in an a tier a across the

I put that in an a tier a across the board for me I uh I put that one in B

board for me I uh I put that one in B

board for me I uh I put that one in B I've got to put another asterisk on this

I've got to put another asterisk on this

I've got to put another asterisk on this one it didn't fit me so my impressions

one it didn't fit me so my impressions

one it didn't fit me so my impressions of that are based on basically trying to

of that are based on basically trying to

of that are based on basically trying to force it and hold it on my ears cuz it

force it and hold it on my ears cuz it

force it and hold it on my ears cuz it only comes out about here including the

only comes out about here including the

only comes out about here including the revised one right I've got a big head

revised one right I've got a big head

revised one right I've got a big head that's something fixed in the headphone

that's something fixed in the headphone

that's something fixed in the headphone too so I put that one in a b uh but my

too so I put that one in a b uh but my

too so I put that one in a b uh but my listening experience was not necessarily

listening experience was not necessarily

listening experience was not necessarily the most

the most

the most representative yeah there there's a

representative yeah there there's a

representative yeah there there's a couple caveats with these one is that

couple caveats with these one is that

couple caveats with these one is that they do need a bit of power as well but

they do need a bit of power as well but

they do need a bit of power as well but not that easy to drive yeah yeah for the

not that easy to drive yeah yeah for the

not that easy to drive yeah yeah for the for for the headphone one there are also

for for the headphone one there are also

for for the headphone one there are also some driver mode issues for the

some driver mode issues for the

some driver mode issues for the frequency response but if you look at

frequency response but if you look at

frequency response but if you look at like the overall kind of like coar

like the overall kind of like coar

like the overall kind of like coar grained sound signature it's really

grained sound signature it's really

grained sound signature it's really quite good um the the weird thing is

quite good um the the weird thing is

quite good um the the weird thing is that measured on the gross 43 AG like

that measured on the gross 43 AG like

that measured on the gross 43 AG like with with the with the KB 5000 p uh

with with the with the KB 5000 p uh

with with the with the KB 5000 p uh there's certain Fe like regions of the

there's certain Fe like regions of the

there's certain Fe like regions of the frequency response where just like no

frequency response where just like no

frequency response where just like no information shows up so I don't know

information shows up so I don't know

information shows up so I don't know what's going on there but I think it

what's going on there but I think it

what's going on there but I think it also had coupling issues similar to you

also had coupling issues similar to you

also had coupling issues similar to you uh Cameron so okay uh on the 5128 it it

uh Cameron so okay uh on the 5128 it it

uh Cameron so okay uh on the 5128 it it shows it all properly and um yeah uh it

shows it all properly and um yeah uh it

shows it all properly and um yeah uh it was quite good headphone 2 for me that

was quite good headphone 2 for me that

was quite good headphone 2 for me that was a c tier oh I put that in a I

was a c tier oh I put that in a I

was a c tier oh I put that in a I thought that they fixed it didn't have

thought that they fixed it didn't have

thought that they fixed it didn't have the resonance is issues that I could

the resonance is issues that I could

the resonance is issues that I could hear in the headphone one it's

hear in the headphone one it's

hear in the headphone one it's ridiculously technically capable it's

ridiculously technically capable it's

ridiculously technically capable it's one of the most detailed non stats I've

one of the most detailed non stats I've

one of the most detailed non stats I've heard the big two issues with it for me

heard the big two issues with it for me

heard the big two issues with it for me were that it's quite dark which I don't

were that it's quite dark which I don't

were that it's quite dark which I don't necessarily dislike some people will

necessarily dislike some people will

necessarily dislike some people will that's a preference thing and the

that's a preference thing and the

that's a preference thing and the subbase roll off but the technical

subbase roll off but the technical

subbase roll off but the technical performance was so good and the tuning

performance was so good and the tuning

performance was so good and the tuning was not bad and so easily fixable with

was not bad and so easily fixable with

was not bad and so easily fixable with EQ as well which I know we're not

EQ as well which I know we're not

EQ as well which I know we're not supposed to be including that but just

supposed to be including that but just

supposed to be including that but just the technical performance I I couldn't

the technical performance I I couldn't

the technical performance I I couldn't put it anywhere other than an

put it anywhere other than an

put it anywhere other than an a yeah so that was the whole point right

a yeah so that was the whole point right

a yeah so that was the whole point right that they're trying to do is to fix some

that they're trying to do is to fix some

that they're trying to do is to fix some of the some of the residences throughout

of the some of the residences throughout

of the some of the residences throughout the uh the the frequency response there

the uh the the frequency response there

the uh the the frequency response there and the consequence of that is that it

and the consequence of that is that it

and the consequence of that is that it ended up being a much darker headphone

ended up being a much darker headphone

ended up being a much darker headphone right U or I don't know like much darker

right U or I don't know like much darker

right U or I don't know like much darker but darker enough to where it's like you

but darker enough to where it's like you

but darker enough to where it's like you notice it and um so for me I gave it a b

notice it and um so for me I gave it a b

notice it and um so for me I gave it a b with uh the sound signature being a b as

with uh the sound signature being a b as

with uh the sound signature being a b as well and then the uh subjective

well and then the uh subjective

well and then the uh subjective qualities being an a I could see the

qualities being an a I could see the

qualities being an a I could see the sound signature being a c uh but you

sound signature being a c uh but you

sound signature being a c uh but you know Loro gang represent

know Loro gang represent

know Loro gang represent right uh for for Loro gang it's easily a

right uh for for Loro gang it's easily a

right uh for for Loro gang it's easily a B for the sound signature on onto highi

B for the sound signature on onto highi

B for the sound signature on onto highi man uh h400

man uh h400

man uh h400 SE uh SL hx4 it's the same

SE uh SL hx4 it's the same

SE uh SL hx4 it's the same headphone I actually I should say it's

headphone I actually I should say it's

headphone I actually I should say it's not the same headphone but it in

not the same headphone but it in

not the same headphone but it in practice is the same because the tuning

practice is the same because the tuning

practice is the same because the tuning is the same yeah I put that in C

is the same yeah I put that in C

is the same yeah I put that in C slightly different magnets but yeah I

slightly different magnets but yeah I

slightly different magnets but yeah I had it in C as well I could see why you

had it in C as well I could see why you

had it in C as well I could see why you put it in C and I for me it's a b but

put it in C and I for me it's a b but

put it in C and I for me it's a b but it's a low B right I might still put

it's a low B right I might still put

it's a low B right I might still put this in C but basically the tone grade I

this in C but basically the tone grade I

this in C but basically the tone grade I would give it a c and the subjective

would give it a c and the subjective

would give it a c and the subjective grade I'd give it a b and the reason why

grade I'd give it a b and the reason why

grade I'd give it a b and the reason why the tone grade is a c for me is because

the tone grade is a c for me is because

the tone grade is a c for me is because it has that uh particularly aggressive

it has that uh particularly aggressive

it has that uh particularly aggressive trouble resonance that uh I struggle

trouble resonance that uh I struggle

trouble resonance that uh I struggle with but apart from that it's it's

with but apart from that it's it's

with but apart from that it's it's pretty good for the

pretty good for the

pretty good for the price uh daa H 5xx same headphone that

price uh daa H 5xx same headphone that

price uh daa H 5xx same headphone that was a d for me I wanted it to be better

was a d for me I wanted it to be better

was a d for me I wanted it to be better so bad especially for the wireless stuff

so bad especially for the wireless stuff

so bad especially for the wireless stuff yeah yeah somewhere between C and D yeah

yeah yeah somewhere between C and D yeah

yeah yeah somewhere between C and D yeah I gave it a c with a tone grade of B cuz

I gave it a c with a tone grade of B cuz

I gave it a c with a tone grade of B cuz it the the overall tuning is not bad and

it the the overall tuning is not bad and

it the the overall tuning is not bad and then the subjective of C Sara that was a

then the subjective of C Sara that was a

then the subjective of C Sara that was a solid B for me s+ S Plus S Plus it was a

solid B for me s+ S Plus S Plus it was a

solid B for me s+ S Plus S Plus it was a solid B for me and with a shout out that

solid B for me and with a shout out that

solid B for me and with a shout out that the value for money is great as well I

the value for money is great as well I

the value for money is great as well I actually put that one in a tier despite

actually put that one in a tier despite

actually put that one in a tier despite that one being a little bit bright for

that one being a little bit bright for

that one being a little bit bright for me interesting that's like one of my

me interesting that's like one of my

me interesting that's like one of my favorite hyans and I think it's just a

favorite hyans and I think it's just a

favorite hyans and I think it's just a really really good headphone I gave it a

really really good headphone I gave it a

really really good headphone I gave it a b with a tone grade of a and a

b with a tone grade of a and a

b with a tone grade of a and a subjective grade of B uh

subjective grade of B uh

subjective grade of B uh h560 uh c c for me as well B's across

h560 uh c c for me as well B's across

h560 uh c c for me as well B's across the board for

the board for

the board for me um Edition XS I was so tempted to put

me um Edition XS I was so tempted to put

me um Edition XS I was so tempted to put this one in an A but I ended up going

this one in an A but I ended up going

this one in an A but I ended up going with B I also end up with b i i it's in

with B I also end up with b i i it's in

with B I also end up with b i i it's in some ways it's better than sindara but I

some ways it's better than sindara but I

some ways it's better than sindara but I just like sindara more and part of

just like sindara more and part of

just like sindara more and part of that's Comfort uh but also a good chunk

that's Comfort uh but also a good chunk

that's Comfort uh but also a good chunk of that is sound too something about

of that is sound too something about

of that is sound too something about Sara is just better for me than addition

Sara is just better for me than addition

Sara is just better for me than addition XS it could be the mid-range because the

XS it could be the mid-range because the

XS it could be the mid-range because the it's a bit more the Sara is doesn't have

it's a bit more the Sara is doesn't have

it's a bit more the Sara is doesn't have as much of a dip at around 1.5k could be

as much of a dip at around 1.5k could be

as much of a dip at around 1.5k could be um I gave it a b with b b across the

um I gave it a b with b b across the

um I gave it a b with b b across the board uh the advantage over the Sara is

board uh the advantage over the Sara is

board uh the advantage over the Sara is that it doesn't have the base roll off

that it doesn't have the base roll off

that it doesn't have the base roll off but I also agree that uh the mid-range

but I also agree that uh the mid-range

but I also agree that uh the mid-range tonality of the sindara is better uh

tonality of the sindara is better uh

tonality of the sindara is better uh Ananda Nano I put for this one for me c

Ananda Nano I put for this one for me c

Ananda Nano I put for this one for me c tier I had it in C if it was just like a

tier I had it in C if it was just like a

tier I had it in C if it was just like a treble shelf down a bit it would have

treble shelf down a bit it would have

treble shelf down a bit it would have been B maybe even a it's really good but

been B maybe even a it's really good but

been B maybe even a it's really good but it's just very bright Ananda

it's just very bright Ananda

it's just very bright Ananda stealth C tier C tier why did they have

stealth C tier C tier why did they have

stealth C tier C tier why did they have to go and mess with it it was it was

to go and mess with it it was it was

to go and mess with it it was it was good yeah stop changing things when they

good yeah stop changing things when they

good yeah stop changing things when they don't need to be

don't need to be

don't need to be changed I agree C tier for me as well

changed I agree C tier for me as well

changed I agree C tier for me as well the trouble got messed up a bit with the

the trouble got messed up a bit with the

the trouble got messed up a bit with the stealth magnets unnecessarily H6 SC2 I

stealth magnets unnecessarily H6 SC2 I

stealth magnets unnecessarily H6 SC2 I gave the an a surprisingly um and I'm if

gave the an a surprisingly um and I'm if

gave the an a surprisingly um and I'm if it's an a it's a low a but it's still an

it's an a it's a low a but it's still an

it's an a it's a low a but it's still an a for me uh with a tone grade of B and

a for me uh with a tone grade of B and

a for me uh with a tone grade of B and subjective of a I put it in B I couldn't

subjective of a I put it in B I couldn't

subjective of a I put it in B I couldn't quite uh say I liked it more or less

quite uh say I liked it more or less

quite uh say I liked it more or less than like an addition excess so I just

than like an addition excess so I just

than like an addition excess so I just put it in

put it in

put it in B yeah it's a b tier for me Fair uh

B yeah it's a b tier for me Fair uh

B yeah it's a b tier for me Fair uh H6 OG H6 though that's the H6 SE and the

H6 OG H6 though that's the H6 SE and the

H6 OG H6 though that's the H6 SE and the OG H6 are not the same headphone OG H6

OG H6 are not the same headphone OG H6

OG H6 are not the same headphone OG H6 is an S TI headphone for me yeah uh I'm

is an S TI headphone for me yeah uh I'm

is an S TI headphone for me yeah uh I'm inclined to agree that o OG H6 is s tier

inclined to agree that o OG H6 is s tier

inclined to agree that o OG H6 is s tier um but there's an argument that tonally

um but there's an argument that tonally

um but there's an argument that tonally the H6 se2 is better just

the H6 se2 is better just

the H6 se2 is better just because um the pads are the pads that

because um the pads are the pads that

because um the pads are the pads that come with it are not the like horrendous

come with it are not the like horrendous

come with it are not the like horrendous leather ones that cause the honk on the

leather ones that cause the honk on the

leather ones that cause the honk on the H6 so like if we're being strict like

H6 so like if we're being strict like

H6 so like if we're being strict like what came with the

what came with the

what came with the headphone you know the tonality for the

headphone you know the tonality for the

headphone you know the tonality for the H6 se2 is better it's just that I put

H6 se2 is better it's just that I put

H6 se2 is better it's just that I put those on the original so s tier for me

those on the original so s tier for me

those on the original so s tier for me for H6 they're just so hard to get a

for H6 they're just so hard to get a

for H6 they're just so hard to get a hold of though nowadays anyway that's

hold of though nowadays anyway that's

hold of though nowadays anyway that's the

the

the problem so yeah we're hoarding them uh

problem so yeah we're hoarding them uh

problem so yeah we're hoarding them uh that is an a tier for me okay now we're

that is an a tier for me okay now we're

that is an a tier for me okay now we're into the Aras Arya V3 a tier solid a

into the Aras Arya V3 a tier solid a

into the Aras Arya V3 a tier solid a tier this where we're going to disagree

tier this where we're going to disagree

tier this where we're going to disagree B tier for me with a tone grid of B and

B tier for me with a tone grid of B and

B tier for me with a tone grid of B and subjective of

subjective of

subjective of a uh Arya

a uh Arya

a uh Arya organic I also put that in a because

organic I also put that in a because

organic I also put that in a because it's basically just like what do you do

it's basically just like what do you do

it's basically just like what do you do you it's preference between those two

you it's preference between those two

you it's preference between those two Aras yeah it I put it in a as well it's

Aras yeah it I put it in a as well it's

Aras yeah it I put it in a as well it's a more v-shaped ARA it's yep which one

a more v-shaped ARA it's yep which one

a more v-shaped ARA it's yep which one do you like more uh I also put it in B

do you like more uh I also put it in B

do you like more uh I also put it in B same as the

same as the

same as the R3 uh h1000

R3 uh h1000

R3 uh h1000 V2 uh this one I gave it a across the

V2 uh this one I gave it a across the

V2 uh this one I gave it a across the board uh tonal and and subjective uh

board uh tonal and and subjective uh

board uh tonal and and subjective uh measures better than the Arya and the

measures better than the Arya and the

measures better than the Arya and the treble uh all the Aras it's it's

treble uh all the Aras it's it's

treble uh all the Aras it's it's smoother uh and uh yeah it's uh it was

smoother uh and uh yeah it's uh it was

smoother uh and uh yeah it's uh it was surprisingly good to me I'll put it that

surprisingly good to me I'll put it that

surprisingly good to me I'll put it that way I put it in B just because it did

way I put it in B just because it did

way I put it in B just because it did sound like a little bit smooth over

sound like a little bit smooth over

sound like a little bit smooth over compared to the ARA still an excellent

compared to the ARA still an excellent

compared to the ARA still an excellent headphone but just I I thought slightly

headphone but just I I thought slightly

headphone but just I I thought slightly less technically capable still good but

less technically capable still good but

less technically capable still good but not quite the same tier so I put it B

not quite the same tier so I put it B

not quite the same tier so I put it B yeah I also put that in B uh h1000

yeah I also put that in B uh h1000

yeah I also put that in B uh h1000 stealth I haven't heard haven't had the

stealth I haven't heard haven't had the

stealth I haven't heard haven't had the stealth

stealth

stealth nothing okay h1000 SE so this is the

nothing okay h1000 SE so this is the

nothing okay h1000 SE so this is the previous like back when they released

previous like back when they released

previous like back when they released the V2s also had the SE um so yeah this

the V2s also had the SE um so yeah this

the V2s also had the SE um so yeah this is the one that's super bright yeah yeah

is the one that's super bright yeah yeah

is the one that's super bright yeah yeah no I don't h1000 SE was the most

no I don't h1000 SE was the most

no I don't h1000 SE was the most technical of the whole hg1000 and ARA

technical of the whole hg1000 and ARA

technical of the whole hg1000 and ARA line for sure but just too bright and

line for sure but just too bright and

line for sure but just too bright and picky and just not as enjoyable as the

picky and just not as enjoyable as the

picky and just not as enjoyable as the other ones that one was a c for me I put

other ones that one was a c for me I put

other ones that one was a c for me I put that in D yeah I put it in C and I agree

that in D yeah I put it in C and I agree

that in D yeah I put it in C and I agree with everything you said Cameron it was

with everything you said Cameron it was

with everything you said Cameron it was D for tonality for me and subjective

D for tonality for me and subjective

D for tonality for me and subjective stuff was a all right we have a fun one

stuff was a all right we have a fun one

stuff was a all right we have a fun one coming up here the adivina oh joy

coming up here the adivina oh joy

coming up here the adivina oh joy how did this

how did this

how did this happen I'm uh I'm just going to

happen I'm uh I'm just going to

happen I'm uh I'm just going to summarize my thoughts if we can play a

summarize my thoughts if we can play a

summarize my thoughts if we can play a quick clip of my review of the ainaa

I agree so sindara closed oh yeah those

I agree so sindara closed oh yeah those was both

was both

was both F that was F yeah just didn't work

SAR um that's a reluctant s for

SAR um that's a reluctant s for me Kicking and Screaming into s tier com

me Kicking and Screaming into s tier com

me Kicking and Screaming into s tier com comfortable s for comfortable s for me

comfortable s for comfortable s for me

comfortable s for comfortable s for me as well s across the board it is an S

as well s across the board it is an S

as well s across the board it is an S tier headphone for a lot of people it's

tier headphone for a lot of people it's

tier headphone for a lot of people it's one that I would never personally

one that I would never personally

one that I would never personally purchase but I see why people like it no

purchase but I see why people like it no

purchase but I see why people like it no I get it it's too normal for you you got

I get it it's too normal for you you got

I get it it's too normal for you you got to have a little bit more I want

to have a little bit more I want

to have a little bit more I want something with less of the the

something with less of the the

something with less of the the agony um but aside from that it's pretty

agony um but aside from that it's pretty

agony um but aside from that it's pretty good there's part of it that's just 7K

good there's part of it that's just 7K

good there's part of it that's just 7K it's just I don't get much Agony from I

it's just I don't get much Agony from I

it's just I don't get much Agony from I don't get any Agony all right um h R9

don't get any Agony all right um h R9

don't get any Agony all right um h R9 this is the dynamic driver one how did

this is the dynamic driver one how did

this is the dynamic driver one how did this happen what the hell is going on

this happen what the hell is going on

this happen what the hell is going on absolute smoldering dumpster fire that

absolute smoldering dumpster fire that

absolute smoldering dumpster fire that someone is I'm not we shouldn't put this

someone is I'm not we shouldn't put this

someone is I'm not we shouldn't put this in the

in the

in the video how did this happen all right uh H

video how did this happen all right uh H

video how did this happen all right uh H r10p is also how did this happen for me

r10p is also how did this happen for me

r10p is also how did this happen for me that one uh interestingly sounds better

that one uh interestingly sounds better

that one uh interestingly sounds better if you take the cups off uh still not

if you take the cups off uh still not

if you take the cups off uh still not great H H TI either way how did this

great H H TI either way how did this

great H H TI either way how did this happen but uh does technically go up to

happen but uh does technically go up to

happen but uh does technically go up to an F if you take the cups s

an F if you take the cups s

an F if you take the cups s right uh yeah High man make some of the

right uh yeah High man make some of the

right uh yeah High man make some of the some headphones like the savara and then

some headphones like the savara and then

some headphones like the savara and then they also make the clo accents like how

they also make the clo accents like how

they also make the clo accents like how like Savar is one of my favorite headph

like Savar is one of my favorite headph

like Savar is one of my favorite headph possibly my favorite headphone in terms

possibly my favorite headphone in terms

possibly my favorite headphone in terms of what you can actually realistically

of what you can actually realistically

of what you can actually realistically get and then all their Clos backs I've

get and then all their Clos backs I've

get and then all their Clos backs I've not none of them have done anything but

not none of them have done anything but

not none of them have done anything but scare me something they got to figure

scare me something they got to figure

scare me something they got to figure out uh okay shanga Jr a tier for me that

out uh okay shanga Jr a tier for me that

out uh okay shanga Jr a tier for me that was a c tier for me too bright C tier

was a c tier for me too bright C tier

was a c tier for me too bright C tier wow yeah yeah I remember that

wow yeah yeah I remember that

wow yeah yeah I remember that conversation yeah so for me it's

conversation yeah so for me it's

conversation yeah so for me it's actually an S tier um with the tone of a

actually an S tier um with the tone of a

actually an S tier um with the tone of a and subjective of s I do agree that it

and subjective of s I do agree that it

and subjective of s I do agree that it is a little bit too bright uh but among

is a little bit too bright uh but among

is a little bit too bright uh but among the category e stats it's not really too

the category e stats it's not really too

the category e stats it's not really too bright it's similarly bright to many of

bright it's similarly bright to many of

bright it's similarly bright to many of that was like dt990 comparable for me oh

that was like dt990 comparable for me oh

that was like dt990 comparable for me oh God no no no this is a real headphone

God no no no this is a real headphone

God no no no this is a real headphone yeah I I would agree there is too much

yeah I I would agree there is too much

yeah I I would agree there is too much trouble for me so uh shanga senior so

trouble for me so uh shanga senior so

trouble for me so uh shanga senior so this is interesting it's the expensive

this is interesting it's the expensive

this is interesting it's the expensive one this one really depends on what

one this one really depends on what

one this one really depends on what you're running it on yeah so I ranked it

you're running it on yeah so I ranked it

you're running it on yeah so I ranked it at an a with a tone of a and a

at an a with a tone of a and a

at an a with a tone of a and a subjective of s i uh I put it in a as

subjective of s i uh I put it in a as

subjective of s i uh I put it in a as well I would say that if we're

well I would say that if we're

well I would say that if we're evaluating it solely on the official uh

evaluating it solely on the official uh

evaluating it solely on the official uh Hyer man Energizer it would go to like a

Hyer man Energizer it would go to like a

Hyer man Energizer it would go to like a be I really don't like that if you put

be I really don't like that if you put

be I really don't like that if you put it on something amazing like a grand gr

it on something amazing like a grand gr

it on something amazing like a grand gr Cayman at kjam New York there it sounded

Cayman at kjam New York there it sounded

Cayman at kjam New York there it sounded solid s tier overall I'm putting it in

solid s tier overall I'm putting it in

solid s tier overall I'm putting it in an a just because it's so variable

an a just because it's so variable

an a just because it's so variable depending on what you run it on it can

depending on what you run it on it can

depending on what you run it on it can easily be too lean yeah but it also

easily be too lean yeah but it also

easily be too lean yeah but it also seems to be a little bit fixed depending

seems to be a little bit fixed depending

seems to be a little bit fixed depending on what you run it

on what you run it

on what you run it on uh DMS uh if you're running it on

on uh DMS uh if you're running it on

on uh DMS uh if you're running it on something good a tier uh now we're on to

something good a tier uh now we're on to

something good a tier uh now we're on to cost Porter

cost Porter

cost Porter Pro uh Porter

Pro uh Porter

Pro uh Porter Pro we're going to fight about these

Pro we're going to fight about these

Pro we're going to fight about these ones aren't we I gave the C across the

ones aren't we I gave the C across the

ones aren't we I gave the C across the board so I originally put it in C but I

board so I originally put it in C but I

board so I originally put it in C but I moved it to D because the KP 30i is

moved it to D because the KP 30i is

moved it to D because the KP 30i is better so I put kph 30i in C and then P

better so I put kph 30i in C and then P

better so I put kph 30i in C and then P Pro in D I have it in D which sounds bad

Pro in D I have it in D which sounds bad

Pro in D I have it in D which sounds bad but I actually really like them just

but I actually really like them just

but I actually really like them just because of again value for money is

because of again value for money is

because of again value for money is excellent we're ranking Things based on

excellent we're ranking Things based on

excellent we're ranking Things based on just sound quality here but I they make

just sound quality here but I they make

just sound quality here but I they make me happy did I have it higher than you

me happy did I have it higher than you

me happy did I have it higher than you guys did I think you might have done

guys did I think you might have done

guys did I think you might have done okay I have to change that then cuz when

okay I have to change that then cuz when

okay I have to change that then cuz when we we were talking about it I didn't

we we were talking about it I didn't

we we were talking about it I didn't like it as much as you guys did I I put

like it as much as you guys did I I put

like it as much as you guys did I I put it in D just because I don't think it's

it in D just because I don't think it's

it in D just because I don't think it's as good as a lot of the CTI headphones

as good as a lot of the CTI headphones

as good as a lot of the CTI headphones but it's what the $ or something and for

but it's what the $ or something and for

but it's what the $ or something and for that much money it's yeah and that's

that much money it's yeah and that's

that much money it's yeah and that's right easy that's right it was C tier

right easy that's right it was C tier

right easy that's right it was C tier with the axi pads and D tier without or

with the axi pads and D tier without or

with the axi pads and D tier without or something like we're going no pads yeah

something like we're going no pads yeah

something like we're going no pads yeah okay uh

okay uh

okay uh ksc75

ksc75

ksc75 D similar thing D tier for me I I like

D similar thing D tier for me I I like

D similar thing D tier for me I I like them they're great I'm not saying

them they're great I'm not saying

them they're great I'm not saying they're bad it's just it's $30 and it's

they're bad it's just it's $30 and it's

they're bad it's just it's $30 and it's not as good as a lot of the other ones

not as good as a lot of the other ones

not as good as a lot of the other ones we've got in CTI so clearly price

we've got in CTI so clearly price

we've got in CTI so clearly price biased I love them for what they cost

biased I love them for what they cost

biased I love them for what they cost but they they just don't sound as good

but they they just don't sound as good

but they they just don't sound as good as love the headphones in CTI so I can't

as love the headphones in CTI so I can't

as love the headphones in CTI so I can't put them there yeah uh kph30i I'm going

put them there yeah uh kph30i I'm going

put them there yeah uh kph30i I'm going to defer to you guys on

to defer to you guys on

to defer to you guys on this uh depends on if you've solded a

this uh depends on if you've solded a

this uh depends on if you've solded a really thick XLR cable into them or if

really thick XLR cable into them or if

really thick XLR cable into them or if you're just running them normally or not

you're just running them normally or not

you're just running them normally or not uh I put those in a

uh I put those in a

uh I put those in a seat

seat

seat okay

okay

okay DMS um kph 30i I put in a c 99 Classics

DMS um kph 30i I put in a c 99 Classics

DMS um kph 30i I put in a c 99 Classics from mes I gave it a d across the board

from mes I gave it a d across the board

from mes I gave it a d across the board I'd agree with that solid D across the

I'd agree with that solid D across the

I'd agree with that solid D across the board built beauti but sounds D yeah D

board built beauti but sounds D yeah D

board built beauti but sounds D yeah D for 99 yeah there was something with the

for 99 yeah there was something with the

for 99 yeah there was something with the different pads I imagine with the good

different pads I imagine with the good

different pads I imagine with the good pads the tone score would be higher and

pads the tone score would be higher and

pads the tone score would be higher and the whole thing would be like a c but

the whole thing would be like a c but

the whole thing would be like a c but with the ones that have like the monster

with the ones that have like the monster

with the ones that have like the monster base which is the one that I think is

base which is the one that I think is

base which is the one that I think is currently going on yep um or it was you

currently going on yep um or it was you

currently going on yep um or it was you know for the its longest lifespan uh it

know for the its longest lifespan uh it

know for the its longest lifespan uh it was definitely a d what's next uh 109

was definitely a d what's next uh 109

was definitely a d what's next uh 109 Pro 109 Pro solid B yeah me as well I'd

Pro 109 Pro solid B yeah me as well I'd

Pro 109 Pro solid B yeah me as well I'd say solid b b across the board for me

say solid b b across the board for me

say solid b b across the board for me all right now we get into the fun stuff

all right now we get into the fun stuff

all right now we get into the fun stuff all right imperion one C tier same yeah

all right imperion one C tier same yeah

all right imperion one C tier same yeah y c tier for me hence why I couldn't put

y c tier for me hence why I couldn't put

y c tier for me hence why I couldn't put C

C in okay okay they're just they're built

in okay okay they're just they're built

in okay okay they're just they're built so nicely they're so

so nicely they're so

so nicely they're so comfortable but the Resolute like the

comfortable but the Resolute like the

comfortable but the Resolute like the detail retrieval is just not up to par

detail retrieval is just not up to par

detail retrieval is just not up to par with a Sara so so I would actually say

with a Sara so so I would actually say

with a Sara so so I would actually say it's it it is about on equivalent level

it's it it is about on equivalent level

it's it it is about on equivalent level with the sindara maybe even better for

with the sindara maybe even better for

with the sindara maybe even better for the resolution one once you EQ it but

the resolution one once you EQ it but

the resolution one once you EQ it but we're not doing EQ so I yeah but we're

we're not doing EQ so I yeah but we're

we're not doing EQ so I yeah but we're not e I went tonality D and subjective b

not e I went tonality D and subjective b

not e I went tonality D and subjective b i quite like the tuning it's it's it's

i quite like the tuning it's it's it's

i quite like the tuning it's it's it's pretty warm but I I actually liked it so

pretty warm but I I actually liked it so

pretty warm but I I actually liked it so but it's just not Tech it's the it's the

but it's just not Tech it's the it's the

but it's just not Tech it's the it's the warm bright that for me is the warm

warm bright that for me is the warm

warm bright that for me is the warm bright like it has the right level of

bright like it has the right level of

bright like it has the right level of ear gain for me but it's the distance

ear gain for me but it's the distance

ear gain for me but it's the distance between like the upper trouble Zing is

between like the upper trouble Zing is

between like the upper trouble Zing is just too dominant for me uh imperion one

just too dominant for me uh imperion one

just too dominant for me uh imperion one is in C tier for me all right here okay

is in C tier for me all right here okay

is in C tier for me all right here okay is the fun one imperian 2 I'll I'll bow

is the fun one imperian 2 I'll I'll bow

is the fun one imperian 2 I'll I'll bow out and watch you two guys fight okay

out and watch you two guys fight okay

out and watch you two guys fight okay so I absolutely loved it Josh loved it Z

so I absolutely loved it Josh loved it Z

so I absolutely loved it Josh loved it Z didn't love it and then he went to I

didn't love it and then he went to I

didn't love it and then he went to I don't I think it was Capital audio Fest

don't I think it was Capital audio Fest

don't I think it was Capital audio Fest and found out that his unit was actually

and found out that his unit was actually

and found out that his unit was actually broken and he heard another one and

broken and he heard another one and

broken and he heard another one and loved it and all three of us have

loved it and all three of us have

loved it and all three of us have thought that it sounds like a mini H1

thought that it sounds like a mini H1

thought that it sounds like a mini H1 and I feel the same way I cannot put it

and I feel the same way I cannot put it

and I feel the same way I cannot put it in anything other than S tier okay so

in anything other than S tier okay so

in anything other than S tier okay so for me I also thought it was good

for me I also thought it was good

for me I also thought it was good I put it in s sorry I put it in a tier

I put it in s sorry I put it in a tier

I put it in s sorry I put it in a tier and gave it a across the board but um

and gave it a across the board but um

and gave it a across the board but um and this is where it gets interesting

and this is where it gets interesting

and this is where it gets interesting because I haven't evaluated your unit

because I haven't evaluated your unit

because I haven't evaluated your unit and you haven't evaluated my unit right

and you haven't evaluated my unit right

and you haven't evaluated my unit right which we need to do uh my unit also

which we need to do uh my unit also

which we need to do uh my unit also doesn't there are no measurements of my

doesn't there are no measurements of my

doesn't there are no measurements of my unit on the 4128 and there's no

unit on the 4128 and there's no

unit on the 4128 and there's no measurements of your unit on the 5128

measurements of your unit on the 5128

measurements of your unit on the 5128 right so it's very difficult for us to

right so it's very difficult for us to

right so it's very difficult for us to compare apples to apples here um and and

compare apples to apples here um and and

compare apples to apples here um and and know for sure that this is the sound

know for sure that this is the sound

know for sure that this is the sound here is the the same and we're

here is the the same and we're

here is the the same and we're evaluating it like the same sound y um

evaluating it like the same sound y um

evaluating it like the same sound y um so I'm just going to say I think for for

so I'm just going to say I think for for

so I'm just going to say I think for for the unit that I evaluated I would give

the unit that I evaluated I would give

the unit that I evaluated I would give it an a tier which is still very good um

it an a tier which is still very good um

it an a tier which is still very good um and that's not to say that there is unit

and that's not to say that there is unit

and that's not to say that there is unit variation we don't know is what I'm

variation we don't know is what I'm

variation we don't know is what I'm saying it's a big unknown right now

saying it's a big unknown right now

saying it's a big unknown right now based on my assessment that's right

based on my assessment that's right

based on my assessment that's right there's too many variables So based on

there's too many variables So based on

there's too many variables So based on my assessment I gave it an a across the

my assessment I gave it an a across the

my assessment I gave it an a across the board uh you know tonality

board uh you know tonality

board uh you know tonality is not for me without EQ but it is it is

is not for me without EQ but it is it is

is not for me without EQ but it is it is competitive uh I think and then for the

competitive uh I think and then for the

competitive uh I think and then for the subjective stuff also a what's

subjective stuff also a what's

subjective stuff also a what's next

next Elite C

Elite C

Elite C tier I also put C tier I put it as B

tier I also put C tier I put it as B

tier I also put C tier I put it as B just because I felt like it was a a

just because I felt like it was a a

just because I felt like it was a a solid step up from the original imperion

solid step up from the original imperion

solid step up from the original imperion so I I kind of had to put it in B the

so I I kind of had to put it in B the

so I I kind of had to put it in B the tuning is pretty similar yeah it's just

tuning is pretty similar yeah it's just

tuning is pretty similar yeah it's just more technical basically I'm I'm pretty

more technical basically I'm I'm pretty

more technical basically I'm I'm pretty excited to try imperion to though based

excited to try imperion to though based

excited to try imperion to though based on what you guys have said y y yeah with

on what you guys have said y y yeah with

on what you guys have said y y yeah with it basically like they they just had the

it basically like they they just had the

it basically like they they just had the subjective well at least for the one

subjective well at least for the one

subjective well at least for the one that I evaluated it was like the

that I evaluated it was like the

that I evaluated it was like the subjective characteristics of the elite

subjective characteristics of the elite

subjective characteristics of the elite just with a significantly better

just with a significantly better

just with a significantly better tonality so look forward to that um

tonality so look forward to that um

tonality so look forward to that um lyric that one I put in a d tier just

lyric that one I put in a d tier just

lyric that one I put in a d tier just because we know that there's notable

because we know that there's notable

because we know that there's notable unit variation and the ones that I had I

unit variation and the ones that I had I

unit variation and the ones that I had I got a good seal on but they just sounded

got a good seal on but they just sounded

got a good seal on but they just sounded bad yeah I had exactly the same

bad yeah I had exactly the same

bad yeah I had exactly the same experience uh very comfortable built

experience uh very comfortable built

experience uh very comfortable built beautifully headphones just uh sound

beautifully headphones just uh sound

beautifully headphones just uh sound signature and tuning was well off for me

signature and tuning was well off for me

signature and tuning was well off for me D tier I put them in C tier because the

D tier I put them in C tier because the

D tier I put them in C tier because the one that I evaluated actually measured

one that I evaluated actually measured

one that I evaluated actually measured pretty close to an a on2 Noir weirdly um

pretty close to an a on2 Noir weirdly um

pretty close to an a on2 Noir weirdly um but uh the unit variation thing is

but uh the unit variation thing is

but uh the unit variation thing is definitely an issue so it's hard to know

definitely an issue so it's hard to know

definitely an issue so it's hard to know so for me it's a c tier the one I had

so for me it's a c tier the one I had

so for me it's a c tier the one I had had a lot of mid base yeah the one I had

had a lot of mid base yeah the one I had

had a lot of mid base yeah the one I had like it has a pretty strong like 12K

like it has a pretty strong like 12K

like it has a pretty strong like 12K resonance that I wasn't too fond of but

resonance that I wasn't too fond of but

resonance that I wasn't too fond of but you know the rest of the tuning was

you know the rest of the tuning was

you know the rest of the tuning was great uh okay Moon

great uh okay Moon

great uh okay Moon drop Venus

drop Venus

drop Venus C tier I put that in a c really I went B

C tier I put that in a c really I went B

C tier I put that in a c really I went B i' it's just a brighter sindara I

i' it's just a brighter sindara I

i' it's just a brighter sindara I found

found

found yeah yeah but the brighter being worse

yeah yeah but the brighter being worse

yeah yeah but the brighter being worse bad yeah Sara already leaned bright so I

bad yeah Sara already leaned bright so I

bad yeah Sara already leaned bright so I feel like brighter bad I don't want it

feel like brighter bad I don't want it

feel like brighter bad I don't want it brighter than sindara already is I

brighter than sindara already is I

brighter than sindara already is I haven't heard their other three though

haven't heard their other three though

haven't heard their other three though so yeah I haven't either so this is all

so yeah I haven't either so this is all

so yeah I haven't either so this is all DMS uh para is just basically Venus with

DMS uh para is just basically Venus with

DMS uh para is just basically Venus with a little bit less treble it's still more

a little bit less treble it's still more

a little bit less treble it's still more treble than sindara but it's

treble than sindara but it's

treble than sindara but it's it's less trouble than Venus so it's

it's less trouble than Venus so it's

it's less trouble than Venus so it's like a better Venus still a c tier for

like a better Venus still a c tier for

like a better Venus still a c tier for me the void uh actually B tier excellent

me the void uh actually B tier excellent

me the void uh actually B tier excellent tuning they didn't end up selling them

tuning they didn't end up selling them

tuning they didn't end up selling them because the build was not good at all

because the build was not good at all

because the build was not good at all but had they sold them and if it

but had they sold them and if it

but had they sold them and if it actually fit your head um that'd be a

actually fit your head um that'd be a

actually fit your head um that'd be a solid B tier which was great The Joker

solid B tier which was great The Joker

solid B tier which was great The Joker absolute dumpster fire how did this

absolute dumpster fire how did this

absolute dumpster fire how did this happen uh nyman ndh2

happen uh nyman ndh2

happen uh nyman ndh2 uh yes that's one of the headphones of

uh yes that's one of the headphones of

uh yes that's one of the headphones of all

all

all time is the headphone of all headphones

time is the headphone of all headphones

time is the headphone of all headphones it is a headphone I gave it a c tier

it is a headphone I gave it a c tier

it is a headphone I gave it a c tier with a tone of b and a subjective of D

with a tone of b and a subjective of D

with a tone of b and a subjective of D it just sounded quite blunted to me yeah

it just sounded quite blunted to me yeah

it just sounded quite blunted to me yeah I put that in D oh it's Mega blunted

I put that in D oh it's Mega blunted

I put that in D oh it's Mega blunted it's really blunted that's why I put it

it's really blunted that's why I put it

it's really blunted that's why I put it in D as well yeah uh

in D as well yeah uh

in D as well yeah uh nd30 that one I put in

nd30 that one I put in

nd30 that one I put in C I also put it in C same for me c yeah

C I also put it in C same for me c yeah

C I also put it in C same for me c yeah mhm tone of B and and uh subjective see

mhm tone of B and and uh subjective see

mhm tone of B and and uh subjective see uh all s4x D tier I think only DMS has

uh all s4x D tier I think only DMS has

uh all s4x D tier I think only DMS has had those ones

had those ones

had those ones right it sounds like it uses it sounds

right it sounds like it uses it sounds

right it sounds like it uses it sounds like a headphone that uses a very

like a headphone that uses a very

like a headphone that uses a very generic cheap driver and it does and the

generic cheap driver and it does and the

generic cheap driver and it does and the tuning is just okay uh Phillips

tuning is just okay uh Phillips

tuning is just okay uh Phillips shp9500 d uh D for me as well these are

shp9500 d uh D for me as well these are

shp9500 d uh D for me as well these are the ones that you uh set on set them on

the ones that you uh set on set them on

the ones that you uh set on set them on fire yeah I believe I gave these a c uh

fire yeah I believe I gave these a c uh

fire yeah I believe I gave these a c uh 9600 also I gave C across the board that

9600 also I gave C across the board that

9600 also I gave C across the board that one's like a higher D I also gave it a

one's like a higher D I also gave it a

one's like a higher D I also gave it a d yeah slightly higher D but still still

d yeah slightly higher D but still still

d yeah slightly higher D but still still D okay I almost gave it a c but then I

D okay I almost gave it a c but then I

D okay I almost gave it a c but then I looked at some of the other headphones

looked at some of the other headphones

looked at some of the other headphones in C and I thought it's it's not yeah

in C and I thought it's it's not yeah

in C and I thought it's it's not yeah that's the issue I'm having right now

that's the issue I'm having right now

that's the issue I'm having right now like 9500 I'm tempted for me if it's a c

like 9500 I'm tempted for me if it's a c

like 9500 I'm tempted for me if it's a c it's a low C dx3 though that one that

it's a low C dx3 though that one that

it's a low C dx3 though that one that was like if they the X2 was kind of a

was like if they the X2 was kind of a

was like if they the X2 was kind of a hit then the X3 was like okay let's take

hit then the X3 was like okay let's take

hit then the X3 was like okay let's take everything decent about that and just

everything decent about that and just

everything decent about that and just turn it into a treble murder machine I

turn it into a treble murder machine I

turn it into a treble murder machine I mean even the X2 was pretty gritty and

mean even the X2 was pretty gritty and

mean even the X2 was pretty gritty and and like zingy in the in the treble like

and like zingy in the in the treble like

and like zingy in the in the treble like yeah but the X3 they took away the

yeah but the X3 they took away the

yeah but the X3 they took away the base so it's just the treble okay so so

base so it's just the treble okay so so

base so it's just the treble okay so so that's easily D then I have I put that

that's easily D then I have I put that

that's easily D then I have I put that one in F so I can't comment okay yeah

one in F so I can't comment okay yeah

one in F so I can't comment okay yeah that's yeah okay Ralph

that's yeah okay Ralph

that's yeah okay Ralph ca1a um yeah so the ca1a I it's so

ca1a um yeah so the ca1a I it's so

ca1a um yeah so the ca1a I it's so technically capable it's ridiculously

technically capable it's ridiculously

technically capable it's ridiculously detailed the tuning I really quite like

detailed the tuning I really quite like

detailed the tuning I really quite like I got along with it well the spatial

I got along with it well the spatial

I got along with it well the spatial placement like the ability to discern

placement like the ability to discern

placement like the ability to discern where something is coming from is not

where something is coming from is not

where something is coming from is not there like it's worse than an hd600 and

there like it's worse than an hd600 and

there like it's worse than an hd600 and so that knocked it down a fair bit for

so that knocked it down a fair bit for

so that knocked it down a fair bit for me but overall I had to give it an a

me but overall I had to give it an a

me but overall I had to give it an a yeah so I gave them a b um but it's that

yeah so I gave them a b um but it's that

yeah so I gave them a b um but it's that same kind of thing where it's a bit

same kind of thing where it's a bit

same kind of thing where it's a bit polarizing um I agree that the you know

polarizing um I agree that the you know

polarizing um I agree that the you know the subjective qualities I gave an A U

the subjective qualities I gave an A U

the subjective qualities I gave an A U the tonality I thought had issues but

the tonality I thought had issues but

the tonality I thought had issues but that's also because the the pads like I

that's also because the the pads like I

that's also because the the pads like I at at some point they just decided to go

at at some point they just decided to go

at at some point they just decided to go with start making with them with

with start making with them with

with start making with them with different pads so the tuning would be

different pads so the tuning would be

different pads so the tuning would be different um and there is definitely

different um and there is definitely

different um and there is definitely some I don't if it's unit variation or

some I don't if it's unit variation or

some I don't if it's unit variation or pad variation or what's going on because

pad variation or what's going on because

pad variation or what's going on because I've also seen measurements of it that

I've also seen measurements of it that

I've also seen measurements of it that were significantly darker as well so

were significantly darker as well so

were significantly darker as well so it's hard for me to know uh exactly how

it's hard for me to know uh exactly how

it's hard for me to know uh exactly how it's going to be for everyone so that's

it's going to be for everyone so that's

it's going to be for everyone so that's why I put it into B tier the other thing

why I put it into B tier the other thing

why I put it into B tier the other thing is uh it does also have a little bit of

is uh it does also have a little bit of

is uh it does also have a little bit of harmonic like second harmonic uh

harmonic like second harmonic uh

harmonic like second harmonic uh presence there is either second or third

presence there is either second or third

presence there is either second or third um making it sound a bit Tob in a sense

um making it sound a bit Tob in a sense

um making it sound a bit Tob in a sense sense uh which could be good or a bad

sense uh which could be good or a bad

sense uh which could be good or a bad thing depending on the

thing depending on the

thing depending on the person DMS B tier little bit bright for

person DMS B tier little bit bright for

person DMS B tier little bit bright for me yeah okay uh

me yeah okay uh

me yeah okay uh sr1b uh also B for me sr1b um I really

sr1b uh also B for me sr1b um I really

sr1b uh also B for me sr1b um I really like these I think these are fantastic

like these I think these are fantastic

like these I think these are fantastic you should use them with the EQ though

you should use them with the EQ though

you should use them with the EQ though we're not meant to be ranking things

we're not meant to be ranking things

we're not meant to be ranking things with EQ but these literally come with

with EQ but these literally come with

with EQ but these literally come with some inserts for XLR and RCA which add a

some inserts for XLR and RCA which add a

some inserts for XLR and RCA which add a base shelf basically if you don't use

base shelf basically if you don't use

base shelf basically if you don't use those you get no bass if you do use

those you get no bass if you do use

those you get no bass if you do use those though uh they sound fantastic the

those though uh they sound fantastic the

those though uh they sound fantastic the vocals on those are some of the best

vocals on those are some of the best

vocals on those are some of the best I've heard I think there is a little bit

I've heard I think there is a little bit

I've heard I think there is a little bit of two ktz hump if you get the

of two ktz hump if you get the

of two ktz hump if you get the positioning wrong you have to fiddle

positioning wrong you have to fiddle

positioning wrong you have to fiddle with that quite a lot overall though

with that quite a lot overall though

with that quite a lot overall though those are an easy a TI for me yeah um I

those are an easy a TI for me yeah um I

those are an easy a TI for me yeah um I gave them a b basically same as the ca1a

gave them a b basically same as the ca1a

gave them a b basically same as the ca1a uh cendy peacock this is a d across the

uh cendy peacock this is a d across the

uh cendy peacock this is a d across the board if there ever was one um maybe

board if there ever was one um maybe

board if there ever was one um maybe even F that was an F for

even F that was an F for

even F that was an F for me yeah yeah yeah I'm tempted I've not

me yeah yeah yeah I'm tempted I've not

me yeah yeah yeah I'm tempted I've not heard the peacock it's it's just like

heard the peacock it's it's just like

heard the peacock it's it's just like everything about it was bad I'm tempted

everything about it was bad I'm tempted

everything about it was bad I'm tempted to go f as well bad and expensive but

to go f as well bad and expensive but

to go f as well bad and expensive but they made it of wood so no redeeming

they made it of wood so no redeeming

they made it of wood so no redeeming features yeah the

features yeah the

features yeah the ia uh C

ia uh C

ia uh C tier I I really like the Iva overall I

tier I I really like the Iva overall I

tier I I really like the Iva overall I put that in a c I think that these get a

put that in a c I think that these get a

put that in a c I think that these get a lot lot of hate that they don't really

lot lot of hate that they don't really

lot lot of hate that they don't really deserve and on tube amps in particular

deserve and on tube amps in particular

deserve and on tube amps in particular those are really nice so easy C tier for

those are really nice so easy C tier for

those are really nice so easy C tier for me and built beautifully as well super

me and built beautifully as well super

me and built beautifully as well super comfortable so onto Sennheiser so the

comfortable so onto Sennheiser so the

comfortable so onto Sennheiser so the hd580 I put this in B tier across the

hd580 I put this in B tier across the

hd580 I put this in B tier across the board um which is controversial I know

board um which is controversial I know

board um which is controversial I know no I think B tier is completely

no I think B tier is completely

no I think B tier is completely reasonable I uh yeah but infinite I

reasonable I uh yeah but infinite I

reasonable I uh yeah but infinite I think it's reasonable

think it's reasonable

think it's reasonable I'm I'm tempted to knock mine down to a

I'm I'm tempted to knock mine down to a

I'm I'm tempted to knock mine down to a c in fact I am going to knock mine down

c in fact I am going to knock mine down

c in fact I am going to knock mine down to a c I had it in B originally but I'm

to a c I had it in B originally but I'm

to a c I had it in B originally but I'm going to knock it down to a c wow you

going to knock it down to a c wow you

going to knock it down to a c wow you just made some people very angry this is

just made some people very angry this is

just made some people very angry this is this is a legendary headphone how could

this is a legendary headphone how could

this is a legendary headphone how could you we're going to make a lot of people

you we're going to make a lot of people

you we're going to make a lot of people angry no matter what we do that's true

angry no matter what we do that's true

angry no matter what we do that's true so uh yeah I just found it a little bit

so uh yeah I just found it a little bit

so uh yeah I just found it a little bit shouer than the hd600 so it's that's why

shouer than the hd600 so it's that's why

shouer than the hd600 so it's that's why it's not quite uh as good for me well

it's not quite uh as good for me well

it's not quite uh as good for me well that's a spoiler uh HD 560s I put this

that's a spoiler uh HD 560s I put this

that's a spoiler uh HD 560s I put this in C with a tone GD of b and a

in C with a tone GD of b and a

in C with a tone GD of b and a subjective of C that is a b tier for me

subjective of C that is a b tier for me

subjective of C that is a b tier for me I had it in C the tuning there's

I had it in C the tuning there's

I had it in C the tuning there's something in the treble which I didn't

something in the treble which I didn't

something in the treble which I didn't quite get along with but they're

quite get along with but they're

quite get along with but they're surprisingly technical for the price so

surprisingly technical for the price so

surprisingly technical for the price so uh I had overall to see uh

hd600 the 600 6xx 650 this is where

hd600 the 600 6xx 650 this is where we're really going to make people angry

we're really going to make people angry

we're really going to make people angry those pretty much all have to be ranked

those pretty much all have to be ranked

those pretty much all have to be ranked at the same thing because they're

at the same thing because they're

at the same thing because they're essentially aside from the 650 having a

essentially aside from the 650 having a

essentially aside from the 650 having a slightly lighter driver they're all

slightly lighter driver they're all

slightly lighter driver they're all essentially the same thing because

essentially the same thing because

essentially the same thing because there's enough unit variation that their

there's enough unit variation that their

there's enough unit variation that their frequency responses all overlap

frequency responses all overlap

frequency responses all overlap considerably and a 650 or a 600 could

considerably and a 650 or a 600 could

considerably and a 650 or a 600 could sound

sound

sound interchangeable um well especially with

interchangeable um well especially with

interchangeable um well especially with different pads right like if you have

different pads right like if you have

different pads right like if you have pads that are worn on a 600 versus a

pads that are worn on a 600 versus a

pads that are worn on a 600 versus a brand new set of pads on a 650 right so

brand new set of pads on a 650 right so

brand new set of pads on a 650 right so that said I would love to put them in s

that said I would love to put them in s

that said I would love to put them in s but realistically I have to put them in

but realistically I have to put them in

but realistically I have to put them in a just a really strong a I had to put

a just a really strong a I had to put

a just a really strong a I had to put them in a purely because of the fact

them in a purely because of the fact

them in a purely because of the fact that the subbase extension's just not

that the subbase extension's just not

that the subbase extension's just not there otherwise there's so much I like

there otherwise there's so much I like

there otherwise there's so much I like about this headphone and I probably

about this headphone and I probably

about this headphone and I probably would have put it in an S but without

would have put it in an S but without

would have put it in an S but without that subbase extension I I can't I can't

that subbase extension I I can't I can't

that subbase extension I I can't I can't put it lower than an A but I can't put

put it lower than an A but I can't put

put it lower than an A but I can't put it up in an S either so a for me so

it up in an S either so a for me so

it up in an S either so a for me so between the two I prefer the hd600 but I

between the two I prefer the hd600 but I

between the two I prefer the hd600 but I put both of them in b here and the

put both of them in b here and the

put both of them in b here and the reason for that is as Cameron mentioned

reason for that is as Cameron mentioned

reason for that is as Cameron mentioned the subbase rolloff and then uh the

the subbase rolloff and then uh the

the subbase rolloff and then uh the other is the three blob effect now it's

other is the three blob effect now it's

other is the three blob effect now it's not something that I care about that

not something that I care about that

not something that I care about that much but I know people are bothered by

much but I know people are bothered by

much but I know people are bothered by it um and so I couldn't quite bump it up

it um and so I couldn't quite bump it up

it um and so I couldn't quite bump it up to an A so that's why it's at the high

to an A so that's why it's at the high

to an A so that's why it's at the high end of B for me um but with EQ I would I

end of B for me um but with EQ I would I

end of B for me um but with EQ I would I would almost say that that the hd600 is

would almost say that that the hd600 is

would almost say that that the hd600 is like an S tier headphone it's that good

like an S tier headphone it's that good

like an S tier headphone it's that good I used to dislike the hd600 a lot more

I used to dislike the hd600 a lot more

I used to dislike the hd600 a lot more than I do now and then I ended up

than I do now and then I ended up

than I do now and then I ended up listening to a pair for quite a while

listening to a pair for quite a while

listening to a pair for quite a while and just slowly grew to like it more and

and just slowly grew to like it more and

and just slowly grew to like it more and more so uh my opinion on that's changed

more so uh my opinion on that's changed

more so uh my opinion on that's changed over time but for now I put it in a yeah

over time but for now I put it in a yeah

over time but for now I put it in a yeah um okay uh onto the HD

um okay uh onto the HD

um okay uh onto the HD 660s that for me is a c

660s that for me is a c

660s that for me is a c tier me as well yeah uh it's uh they

tier me as well yeah uh it's uh they

tier me as well yeah uh it's uh they took an hd600 and then decided to mess

took an hd600 and then decided to mess

took an hd600 and then decided to mess with things that don't need to be messed

with things that don't need to be messed

with things that don't need to be messed with and doesn't sound as good so C tier

with and doesn't sound as good so C tier

with and doesn't sound as good so C tier shouldn't have a six in the front it

shouldn't have a six in the front it

shouldn't have a six in the front it just it just yeah uh 660

just it just yeah uh 660

just it just yeah uh 660 S2 B tier

S2 B tier

S2 B tier they slightly fixed their first attempt

they slightly fixed their first attempt

they slightly fixed their first attempt it's a b tier as well so I would put it

it's a b tier as well so I would put it

it's a b tier as well so I would put it ahead of the 660s definitely upgrade

ahead of the 660s definitely upgrade

ahead of the 660s definitely upgrade over that but it's still a CTI headphone

over that but it's still a CTI headphone

over that but it's still a CTI headphone for me because um it doesn't you know

for me because um it doesn't you know

for me because um it doesn't you know they there's the whole thing about like

they there's the whole thing about like

they there's the whole thing about like it's got base now but it's like it

it's got base now but it's like it

it's got base now but it's like it doesn't really like it's not like it

doesn't really like it's not like it

doesn't really like it's not like it actually has full base extension it's

actually has full base extension it's

actually has full base extension it's just better than the 660s you're getting

just better than the 660s you're getting

just better than the 660s you're getting a little bit of dog on camera right now

a little bit of dog on camera right now

a little bit of dog on camera right now by the

by the

by the way okay is that like a euphemism or no

way okay is that like a euphemism or no

way okay is that like a euphemism or no there's a she's come over to say hello

there's a she's come over to say hello

there's a she's come over to say hello she's just popped her head into the very

she's just popped her head into the very

she's just popped her head into the very corner of the frame and is looking up at

corner of the frame and is looking up at

corner of the frame and is looking up at me okay how would she rank the hd660

me okay how would she rank the hd660

me okay how would she rank the hd660 S2

S2 uh

uh non-edible yeah okay that's that's the

non-edible yeah okay that's that's the

non-edible yeah okay that's that's the next tier uh okay

next tier uh okay

next tier uh okay hd800s oh we're going to fight let's

hd800s oh we're going to fight let's

hd800s oh we're going to fight let's fight yep I think that there is now I

fight yep I think that there is now I

fight yep I think that there is now I didn't like the original 800 as much but

didn't like the original 800 as much but

didn't like the original 800 as much but the

the

the 800s has to be S because there is no

800s has to be S because there is no

800s has to be S because there is no headphone out there that stages like

headphone out there that stages like

headphone out there that stages like it my dog is yelling just a minute

it my dog is yelling just a minute

it my dog is yelling just a minute girl there's no headphone out there that

girl there's no headphone out there that

girl there's no headphone out there that stages like it it's also one of the best

stages like it it's also one of the best

stages like it it's also one of the best Channel matched headphones that money

Channel matched headphones that money

Channel matched headphones that money can

can

can buy true and between those two factors

buy true and between those two factors

buy true and between those two factors and actually also the consistency from

and actually also the consistency from

and actually also the consistency from head to head on it because it has very

head to head on it because it has very

head to head on it because it has very low acoustic impedance I cannot put it

low acoustic impedance I cannot put it

low acoustic impedance I cannot put it in anything other than S tier that is

in anything other than S tier that is

in anything other than S tier that is all true um it's one of the most

all true um it's one of the most

all true um it's one of the most consistent headphones phones and most

consistent headphones phones and most

consistent headphones phones and most well engineered headphones in the world

well engineered headphones in the world

well engineered headphones in the world still yeah I put it in B

still yeah I put it in B

still yeah I put it in B tier because oh God we really are going

tier because oh God we really are going

tier because oh God we really are going to upset people with this but it's it's

to upset people with this but it's it's

to upset people with this but it's it's because of the 6K Peak that I just I for

because of the 6K Peak that I just I for

because of the 6K Peak that I just I for me that is the I would just delete 6K if

me that is the I would just delete 6K if

me that is the I would just delete 6K if I could um but of course yeah this the

I could um but of course yeah this the

I could um but of course yeah this the subjective stuff is pretty high for me

subjective stuff is pretty high for me

subjective stuff is pretty high for me as well I give it an a for the

as well I give it an a for the

as well I give it an a for the subjective qualities because that sounds

subjective qualities because that sounds

subjective qualities because that sounds St just

St just

St just remarkable I was so torn on this one I

remarkable I was so torn on this one I

remarkable I was so torn on this one I don't hear the 6K Peak as much as some

don't hear the 6K Peak as much as some

don't hear the 6K Peak as much as some other people I can still hear it I'm not

other people I can still hear it I'm not

other people I can still hear it I'm not Blain I don't have anti-ant

Blain I don't have anti-ant

Blain I don't have anti-ant unfortunately um we're not all blessed

unfortunately um we're not all blessed

unfortunately um we're not all blessed but it's not bothersome for me I can

but it's not bothersome for me I can

but it's not bothersome for me I can listen to those for as long as I like

listen to those for as long as I like

listen to those for as long as I like I'm I'm going to say the same thing that

I'm I'm going to say the same thing that

I'm I'm going to say the same thing that I had on the hd600 is preventing me from

I had on the hd600 is preventing me from

I had on the hd600 is preventing me from putting these in s tier which is that

putting these in s tier which is that

putting these in s tier which is that the subbase extension isn't quite there

the subbase extension isn't quite there

the subbase extension isn't quite there so I put them in a but they are one of

so I put them in a but they are one of

so I put them in a but they are one of my favorite headphones of all time and I

my favorite headphones of all time and I

my favorite headphones of all time and I could never sell my pair so

could never sell my pair so

could never sell my pair so right uh on another

right uh on another

right uh on another hd820 actually okay but just before we

hd820 actually okay but just before we

hd820 actually okay but just before we get there what what do you guys think of

get there what what do you guys think of

get there what what do you guys think of the 8xx because I didn't put it on this

the 8xx because I didn't put it on this

the 8xx because I didn't put it on this list and we should probably add it bad

list and we should probably add it bad

list and we should probably add it bad bad I've still not heard it I don't know

bad I've still not heard it I don't know

bad I've still not heard it I don't know if I'm missing out on much from what

if I'm missing out on much from what

if I'm missing out on much from what I've heard but uh I've not actually

I've heard but uh I've not actually

I've heard but uh I've not actually gotten head time with it it was really

gotten head time with it it was really

gotten head time with it it was really bad

bad

bad okay um 820 speaking of really bad how

okay um 820 speaking of really bad how

okay um 820 speaking of really bad how did this happen to me the hd820 sounded

did this happen to me the hd820 sounded

did this happen to me the hd820 sounded like you're listening to music with your

like you're listening to music with your

like you're listening to music with your head underwater in a bathtub and then

head underwater in a bathtub and then

head underwater in a bathtub and then anytime they're supposed to be bass you

anytime they're supposed to be bass you

anytime they're supposed to be bass you just kind of whack your head against the

just kind of whack your head against the

just kind of whack your head against the bottom of the tub instead so I'd put it

bottom of the tub instead so I'd put it

bottom of the tub instead so I'd put it in how did this happen that is the best

in how did this happen that is the best

in how did this happen that is the best description of this headphone yeah I

description of this headphone yeah I

description of this headphone yeah I think we all agree that's that's what I

think we all agree that's that's what I

think we all agree that's that's what I got out of it just leave it at that

got out of it just leave it at that

got out of it just leave it at that hd700 how how how did this happen hg700

hd700 how how how did this happen hg700

hd700 how how how did this happen hg700 is the sound that you hear when you're

is the sound that you hear when you're

is the sound that you hear when you're going through a labotomy

going through a labotomy

going through a labotomy the one the one thing about it is that

the one the one thing about it is that

the one the one thing about it is that people say it has good Sound Stage it's

people say it has good Sound Stage it's

people say it has good Sound Stage it's been a long time since I've heard an

been a long time since I've heard an

been a long time since I've heard an hd700 if you can stand it long enough to

hd700 if you can stand it long enough to

hd700 if you can stand it long enough to notice that

notice that

notice that yeah yeah okay uh it's F tier for me for

yeah yeah okay uh it's F tier for me for

yeah yeah okay uh it's F tier for me for hd700 how did this happen to your for me

hd700 how did this happen to your for me

hd700 how did this happen to your for me onto the fun stuff

onto the fun stuff

onto the fun stuff H1 it's got to be s+ s+ for me also

H1 it's got to be s+ s+ for me also

H1 it's got to be s+ s+ for me also first one up

first one up

first one up there s tier for me not s+ subject so

there s tier for me not s+ subject so

there s tier for me not s+ subject so the the tonal grade is s+ uh but the you

the the tonal grade is s+ uh but the you

the the tonal grade is s+ uh but the you know what no it's not tone grade is s

know what no it's not tone grade is s

know what no it's not tone grade is s and the subjective is a for me the one

and the subjective is a for me the one

and the subjective is a for me the one thing I would say about that is I don't

thing I would say about that is I don't

thing I would say about that is I don't like the fact that at every single uh

like the fact that at every single uh

like the fact that at every single uh time I've seen it being demoed the cross

time I've seen it being demoed the cross

time I've seen it being demoed the cross feed is always on Max I think that it

feed is always on Max I think that it

feed is always on Max I think that it should just be demoed the same as other

should just be demoed the same as other

should just be demoed the same as other headphones it doesn't need that it's I

headphones it doesn't need that it's I

headphones it doesn't need that it's I think it sounds better without the cross

think it sounds better without the cross

think it sounds better without the cross but yeah I usually turned that off yeah

but yeah I usually turned that off yeah

but yeah I usually turned that off yeah uh okay now into the into the sure stuff

uh okay now into the into the sure stuff

uh okay now into the into the sure stuff oh boy um this is mostly you guys I have

oh boy um this is mostly you guys I have

oh boy um this is mostly you guys I have not heard the sure I've only tried the I

not heard the sure I've only tried the I

not heard the sure I've only tried the I am I've not tried their over stuff so uh

am I've not tried their over stuff so uh

am I've not tried their over stuff so uh DMS take this one away oh boy uh the 840

DMS take this one away oh boy uh the 840

DMS take this one away oh boy uh the 840 that was a bti headphone it was pretty

that was a bti headphone it was pretty

that was a bti headphone it was pretty solid it was very Harmon and then they

solid it was very Harmon and then they

solid it was very Harmon and then they ruined it and made the 840a which is a d

ruined it and made the 840a which is a d

ruined it and made the 840a which is a d tier don't know why okay don't know why

tier don't know why okay don't know why

tier don't know why okay don't know why they decided to do that uh the

they decided to do that uh the

they decided to do that uh the 1840 pretty solid C tier it's a lot like

1840 pretty solid C tier it's a lot like

1840 pretty solid C tier it's a lot like the slope diffuse field response but

the slope diffuse field response but

the slope diffuse field response but with a bit of a treble Spike at the end

with a bit of a treble Spike at the end

with a bit of a treble Spike at the end which kind of kills it a little bit for

which kind of kills it a little bit for

which kind of kills it a little bit for me um and then the 1540 is an F tier it

me um and then the 1540 is an F tier it

me um and then the 1540 is an F tier it is just infinite mid-base mid-base for

is just infinite mid-base mid-base for

is just infinite mid-base mid-base for all of infinity it's mid-base as an

all of infinity it's mid-base as an

all of infinity it's mid-base as an infinity

infinity

infinity stone nice yeah so you got to collect it

stone nice yeah so you got to collect it

stone nice yeah so you got to collect it all right on to Sony uh the MDR mv1 I

all right on to Sony uh the MDR mv1 I

all right on to Sony uh the MDR mv1 I give this a c-tier across the board

give this a c-tier across the board

give this a c-tier across the board which is to say it's okay C tier is

which is to say it's okay C tier is

which is to say it's okay C tier is okay it's just bright it's yeah too much

okay it's just bright it's yeah too much

okay it's just bright it's yeah too much 6K as as usual

6K as as usual

6K as as usual fa ZX10 why do wait no sorry the 7506

fa ZX10 why do wait no sorry the 7506

fa ZX10 why do wait no sorry the 7506 that's the next one MDR mdr7506

that's the next one MDR mdr7506

that's the next one MDR mdr7506 7506

7506

7506 is Comfortably a c tier it's not the

is Comfortably a c tier it's not the

is Comfortably a c tier it's not the best out of that range of Sony

best out of that range of Sony

best out of that range of Sony headphones um but it's it's been around

headphones um but it's it's been around

headphones um but it's it's been around for a long time and it's very consistent

for a long time and it's very consistent

for a long time and it's very consistent yeah I have I have it there as well uh

yeah I have I have it there as well uh

yeah I have I have it there as well uh I've only heard the z1r on on this list

I've only heard the z1r on on this list

I've only heard the z1r on on this list so okay now this one's fun the ZX10 do

so okay now this one's fun the ZX10 do

so okay now this one's fun the ZX10 do we put it in F or how did this happen I

we put it in F or how did this happen I

we put it in F or how did this happen I would take take the zx110 over the

would take take the zx110 over the

would take take the zx110 over the Aina or over the Austrian audio

Aina or over the Austrian audio

Aina or over the Austrian audio x55 yeah like I was going to say it as

x55 yeah like I was going to say it as

x55 yeah like I was going to say it as bad as it is it is not as bad as some of

bad as it is it is not as bad as some of

bad as it is it is not as bad as some of the things that are in how did this

the things that are in how did this

the things that are in how did this happen uh

happen uh

happen uh z1r it's like the most open closed back

z1r it's like the most open closed back

z1r it's like the most open closed back headphone but it still has a little bit

headphone but it still has a little bit

headphone but it still has a little bit of wonkiness so that one's a

of wonkiness so that one's a

of wonkiness so that one's a b yeah it's a do have like a 9k peak or

b yeah it's a do have like a 9k peak or

b yeah it's a do have like a 9k peak or something like that I can't remember

something like that I can't remember

something like that I can't remember hearing an obvious Peak but it's been a

hearing an obvious Peak but it's been a

hearing an obvious Peak but it's been a while now um I just remember the base on

while now um I just remember the base on

while now um I just remember the base on that being really really fun without too

that being really really fun without too

that being really really fun without too many clear drawbacks uh so I put that

many clear drawbacks uh so I put that

many clear drawbacks uh so I put that one as a b uh the CD 900 St I haven't

one as a b uh the CD 900 St I haven't

one as a b uh the CD 900 St I haven't heard any of the rest of these so these

heard any of the rest of these so these

heard any of the rest of these so these are all you guys so the CD 900 St would

are all you guys so the CD 900 St would

are all you guys so the CD 900 St would be the best Sony

be the best Sony

be the best Sony headphone if you swapped the pads on it

headphone if you swapped the pads on it

headphone if you swapped the pads on it but if you're not swapping the pads on

but if you're not swapping the pads on

but if you're not swapping the pads on it it's a c tier and they've been making

it it's a c tier and they've been making

it it's a c tier and they've been making that headphone since the mid 80s and

that headphone since the mid 80s and

that headphone since the mid 80s and it's still like it's it's a headphone

it's still like it's it's a headphone

it's still like it's it's a headphone that's extremely good for localization

that's extremely good for localization

that's extremely good for localization and that's why it's

and that's why it's

and that's why it's popular specifically in studios I should

popular specifically in studios I should

popular specifically in studios I should note the Mist the m1st is f tier it is

note the Mist the m1st is f tier it is

note the Mist the m1st is f tier it is unwearable the pads are like 2 mm in

unwearable the pads are like 2 mm in

unwearable the pads are like 2 mm in thickness and the driver just digs into

thickness and the driver just digs into

thickness and the driver just digs into your ear lovely yep

your ear lovely yep

your ear lovely yep V6 the V6 is with the stock pads

V6 the V6 is with the stock pads

V6 the V6 is with the stock pads probably one of the best things that

probably one of the best things that

probably one of the best things that they make it's very Harmon um not

they make it's very Harmon um not

they make it's very Harmon um not perfect but it's a headphone they've

perfect but it's a headphone they've

perfect but it's a headphone they've been making for a long time that's

been making for a long time that's

been making for a long time that's pretty solid the mdrv6 is pretty solid

pretty solid the mdrv6 is pretty solid

pretty solid the mdrv6 is pretty solid so what tier uh B tier B tier uh 1

so what tier uh B tier B tier uh 1

so what tier uh B tier B tier uh 1 am2 1 am2 would be an a tier headphone

am2 1 am2 would be an a tier headphone

am2 1 am2 would be an a tier headphone if it didn't have a treble Spike outside

if it didn't have a treble Spike outside

if it didn't have a treble Spike outside of the treble Spike it's excellent but

of the treble Spike it's excellent but

of the treble Spike it's excellent but it has a big treble Spike and that kills

it has a big treble Spike and that kills

it has a big treble Spike and that kills it so for me that is a b tier also pfr

it so for me that is a b tier also pfr

it so for me that is a b tier also pfr V1 uh D tier because it doesn't produce

V1 uh D tier because it doesn't produce

V1 uh D tier because it doesn't produce any frequencies under 500 Herz which is

any frequencies under 500 Herz which is

any frequencies under 500 Herz which is kind of a big deal but it is a uh like

kind of a big deal but it is a uh like

kind of a big deal but it is a uh like an ear field headphone it's a set of ear

an ear field headphone it's a set of ear

an ear field headphone it's a set of ear speakers that float on the side of your

speakers that float on the side of your

speakers that float on the side of your head and it does really amazing staging

head and it does really amazing staging

head and it does really amazing staging things um the presentation's really cool

things um the presentation's really cool

things um the presentation's really cool it's very speaker likee because it is

it's very speaker likee because it is

it's very speaker likee because it is speakers so I couldn't put it lower than

speakers so I couldn't put it lower than

speakers so I couldn't put it lower than a d but I also couldn't put it higher

a d but I also couldn't put it higher

a d but I also couldn't put it higher than a d spirito now I haven't I have

than a d spirito now I haven't I have

than a d spirito now I haven't I have listened to some of these at shows but

listened to some of these at shows but

listened to some of these at shows but not enough to really have a judgment on

not enough to really have a judgment on

not enough to really have a judgment on it so I'll defer to you guys

it so I'll defer to you guys

it so I'll defer to you guys valkyria valkyria is an interesting one

valkyria valkyria is an interesting one

valkyria valkyria is an interesting one it is the hardest hitting headphone I

it is the hardest hitting headphone I

it is the hardest hitting headphone I have heard period the tuning's really

have heard period the tuning's really

have heard period the tuning's really wonky but it's sort of like a 1266 in

wonky but it's sort of like a 1266 in

wonky but it's sort of like a 1266 in that it kind of just works for certain

that it kind of just works for certain

that it kind of just works for certain genres it's not an allrounder I would

genres it's not an allrounder I would

genres it's not an allrounder I would not have it as my only headphone but I

not have it as my only headphone but I

not have it as my only headphone but I totally get why some people are really

totally get why some people are really

totally get why some people are really into this so I put it in B I would also

into this so I put it in B I would also

into this so I put it in B I would also note though that the Pulsar sounds

note though that the Pulsar sounds

note though that the Pulsar sounds nearly identical at half the price so I

nearly identical at half the price so I

nearly identical at half the price so I cannot remember the model name of

cannot remember the model name of

cannot remember the model name of anything I've ever heard from them I've

anything I've ever heard from them I've

anything I've ever heard from them I've heard their lineup none of them

heard their lineup none of them

heard their lineup none of them impressed me but I'm just going to go

impressed me but I'm just going to go

impressed me but I'm just going to go with haven't heard it or if it's a model

with haven't heard it or if it's a model

with haven't heard it or if it's a model I have heard then it's probably D or C

I have heard then it's probably D or C

I have heard then it's probably D or C at

at best Twin Pulse yeah the Twin Pulse was

best Twin Pulse yeah the Twin Pulse was

best Twin Pulse yeah the Twin Pulse was the first one I tried that one I it's a

the first one I tried that one I it's a

the first one I tried that one I it's a I don't know who gave the green light to

I don't know who gave the green light to

I don't know who gave the green light to release that it shouldn't have happened

release that it shouldn't have happened

release that it shouldn't have happened that's a that's a that's a how did this

that's a that's a that's a how did this

that's a that's a that's a how did this happen for

happen for

happen for me uh Stacks sr7 Mark

me uh Stacks sr7 Mark

me uh Stacks sr7 Mark I I would like tentatively put it at a

I I would like tentatively put it at a

I I would like tentatively put it at a tier I put at s tier actually really so

tier I put at s tier actually really so

tier I put at s tier actually really so basically here's how I think of all the

basically here's how I think of all the

basically here's how I think of all the stacks I think they all have generally s

stacks I think they all have generally s

stacks I think they all have generally s tier subjective qualities right but the

tier subjective qualities right but the

tier subjective qualities right but the sr7 I think it's actually the 2.9 that I

sr7 I think it's actually the 2.9 that I

sr7 I think it's actually the 2.9 that I heard um that's what it called that one

heard um that's what it called that one

heard um that's what it called that one uh had the most

uh had the most

uh had the most palatable uh wideband tuning so it was

palatable uh wideband tuning so it was

palatable uh wideband tuning so it was the least fatiguing to me uh compared Sr

the least fatiguing to me uh compared Sr

the least fatiguing to me uh compared Sr 09s and and and and and S 09 s or

09s and and and and and S 09 s or

09s and and and and and S 09 s or whatever right so it is s tier for me

whatever right so it is s tier for me

whatever right so it is s tier for me it's just on the lower side of s tier I

it's just on the lower side of s tier I

it's just on the lower side of s tier I uh I definitely like the tuning of it

uh I definitely like the tuning of it

uh I definitely like the tuning of it the most out of any of the stacks I've

the most out of any of the stacks I've

the most out of any of the stacks I've heard other than the

heard other than the

heard other than the x9000 but it was not as technically

x9000 but it was not as technically

x9000 but it was not as technically performant as any of the Lambda series

performant as any of the Lambda series

performant as any of the Lambda series that I tried and so it for me kind of

that I tried and so it for me kind of

that I tried and so it for me kind of had a bit of a ersy carbon thing where

had a bit of a ersy carbon thing where

had a bit of a ersy carbon thing where it was sounding like an East out trying

it was sounding like an East out trying

it was sounding like an East out trying to be a planar and as a result ending up

to be a planar and as a result ending up

to be a planar and as a result ending up somewhere where you don't really get the

somewhere where you don't really get the

somewhere where you don't really get the benefits of either to a great extent so

benefits of either to a great extent so

benefits of either to a great extent so I put it in B I like it but it didn't

I put it in B I like it but it didn't

I put it in B I like it but it didn't really have anything that was

really have anything that was

really have anything that was particularly special about it that I

particularly special about it that I

particularly special about it that I sort of want oh I really want a pair of

sort of want oh I really want a pair of

sort of want oh I really want a pair of those

those

those now right gotcha I mean I can see it

now right gotcha I mean I can see it

now right gotcha I mean I can see it makes sense uh

sr09 well

sr09 well s9s I put that in C it was just too lean

s9s I put that in C it was just too lean

s9s I put that in C it was just too lean for me I just not enough base

for me I just not enough base

for me I just not enough base basically yeah I put it in a b it's too

basically yeah I put it in a b it's too

basically yeah I put it in a b it's too bright for me but yeah I put it in a

bright for me but yeah I put it in a

bright for me but yeah I put it in a because again same thing the subjective

because again same thing the subjective

because again same thing the subjective characteristics are good but it's too

characteristics are good but it's too

characteristics are good but it's too bright for me I'm just thinking there's

bright for me I'm just thinking there's

bright for me I'm just thinking there's got there's definitely going to be

got there's definitely going to be

got there's definitely going to be people out there for whom it is you know

people out there for whom it is you know

people out there for whom it is you know more tolerable and maybe it's people who

more tolerable and maybe it's people who

more tolerable and maybe it's people who can afford to to BU them if you

can afford to to BU them if you

can afford to to BU them if you exclusively listen to like string music

exclusively listen to like string music

exclusively listen to like string music that's probably one of the best

that's probably one of the best

that's probably one of the best headphones you can get yeah um all right

headphones you can get yeah um all right

headphones you can get yeah um all right the x

the x

the x 9000s that was an a tier for

9000s that was an a tier for

9000s that was an a tier for me me as well I put it in s i uh I

me me as well I put it in s i uh I

me me as well I put it in s i uh I really like those a lot I thought that

really like those a lot I thought that

really like those a lot I thought that that was just a bit of a step up over

that was just a bit of a step up over

that was just a bit of a step up over anything Stacks are done that I'd had

anything Stacks are done that I'd had

anything Stacks are done that I'd had previously yeah I would rate these a

previously yeah I would rate these a

previously yeah I would rate these a little higher than the 09's but uh

little higher than the 09's but uh

little higher than the 09's but uh similarly just a tattoo bright For Me

similarly just a tattoo bright For Me

similarly just a tattoo bright For Me overall I haven't heard the L300 or the

overall I haven't heard the L300 or the

overall I haven't heard the L300 or the l500 so I'll defer to you guys on those

l500 so I'll defer to you guys on those

l500 so I'll defer to you guys on those I've only heard the l700 so uh yeah DMS

I've only heard the l700 so uh yeah DMS

I've only heard the l700 so uh yeah DMS you'll need to take these so the 300 and

you'll need to take these so the 300 and

you'll need to take these so the 300 and the 500 are both B tier they're not bad

the 500 are both B tier they're not bad

the 500 are both B tier they're not bad it's definitely one of those headphones

it's definitely one of those headphones

it's definitely one of those headphones that you buy it to EQ it and if you EQ

that you buy it to EQ it and if you EQ

that you buy it to EQ it and if you EQ an L300 then you're basically getting a

an L300 then you're basically getting a

an L300 then you're basically getting a really good Stacks but not EQ it's it's

really good Stacks but not EQ it's it's

really good Stacks but not EQ it's it's B tier for sure for both of them and

B tier for sure for both of them and

B tier for sure for both of them and they're very comparable 500's comparable

they're very comparable 500's comparable

they're very comparable 500's comparable to the 300 B tier um l700 I do have an

to the 300 B tier um l700 I do have an

to the 300 B tier um l700 I do have an opinion on I put that an a tier with a

opinion on I put that an a tier with a

opinion on I put that an a tier with a tone grade of C this is where eats get a

tone grade of C this is where eats get a

tone grade of C this is where eats get a bit weird just cuz some of the ones that

bit weird just cuz some of the ones that

bit weird just cuz some of the ones that you hear even if the frequency response

you hear even if the frequency response

you hear even if the frequency response suggests otherwise they just

suggests otherwise they just

suggests otherwise they just sound like they are lacking subbase and

sound like they are lacking subbase and

sound like they are lacking subbase and I had exactly the same thing with the

I had exactly the same thing with the

I had exactly the same thing with the l700 I had a good seal I had exactly the

l700 I had a good seal I had exactly the

l700 I had a good seal I had exactly the same thing on the yeah vintage uh Lambda

same thing on the yeah vintage uh Lambda

same thing on the yeah vintage uh Lambda signature and Lambda Pro

signature and Lambda Pro

signature and Lambda Pro just didn't get enough base out of them

just didn't get enough base out of them

just didn't get enough base out of them basically uh super technical super

basically uh super technical super

basically uh super technical super detailed and Airy extremely technical

detailed and Airy extremely technical

detailed and Airy extremely technical yeah so I was tempted even to make it

yeah so I was tempted even to make it

yeah so I was tempted even to make it like S Plus for the subjective stuff but

like S Plus for the subjective stuff but

like S Plus for the subjective stuff but at the end of the day s for that yeah

at the end of the day s for that yeah

at the end of the day s for that yeah someone oh yeah I put that as a c

someone oh yeah I put that as a c

someone oh yeah I put that as a c sorry I actually put that as an S

sorry I actually put that as an S

sorry I actually put that as an S because I did get bass out of that one I

because I did get bass out of that one I

because I did get bass out of that one I I was really torn between that and a I

I was really torn between that and a I

I was really torn between that and a I was originally leaning towards a and

was originally leaning towards a and

was originally leaning towards a and later on I decided I had to put it in s

later on I decided I had to put it in s

later on I decided I had to put it in s just because it's like

just because it's like

just because it's like the one Stacks that really stood out for

the one Stacks that really stood out for

the one Stacks that really stood out for me um but not massively it's like a

me um but not massively it's like a

me um but not massively it's like a really low s for me uh take th2 plus I

really low s for me uh take th2 plus I

really low s for me uh take th2 plus I don't know anything about this do you

don't know anything about this do you

don't know anything about this do you like mid-range cuz that's all you're

like mid-range cuz that's all you're

like mid-range cuz that's all you're getting you guys have seen the Eric

getting you guys have seen the Eric

getting you guys have seen the Eric Andre show right yeah there was an

Andre show right yeah there was an

Andre show right yeah there was an episode of that where he said they used

episode of that where he said they used

episode of that where he said they used to take this

to take this

to take this kid um and give him a lot of acid and

kid um and give him a lot of acid and

kid um and give him a lot of acid and then jump around him in a circle and

then jump around him in a circle and

then jump around him in a circle and yell nightmare nightmare nightmare

yell nightmare nightmare nightmare

yell nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare uh uh that's the take T2

nightmare uh uh that's the take T2

nightmare uh uh that's the take T2 plus okay just mids and code filtering

plus okay just mids and code filtering

plus okay just mids and code filtering and nothing else yeah all right uh

and nothing else yeah all right uh

and nothing else yeah all right uh ultrasone 580i haven't heard it should

ultrasone 580i haven't heard it should

ultrasone 580i haven't heard it should we just play Tiles review

we just play Tiles review

we just play Tiles review or was that for that one tile did a

or was that for that one tile did a

or was that for that one tile did a different one but the the 580i had the

different one but the the 580i had the

different one but the the 580i had the displeasure of owning either they're

displeasure of owning either they're

displeasure of owning either they're both going an F for me but uh the

both going an F for me but uh the

both going an F for me but uh the Edition 15 is one that I did review I

Edition 15 is one that I did review I

Edition 15 is one that I did review I put that in F tier it's not in how did

put that in F tier it's not in how did

put that in F tier it's not in how did this happen it's not that horrific I'm

this happen it's not that horrific I'm

this happen it's not that horrific I'm led to believe that it's actually better

led to believe that it's actually better

led to believe that it's actually better than the one that Tyler reviewed but I

than the one that Tyler reviewed but I

than the one that Tyler reviewed but I still had a hard time with it um Warwick

still had a hard time with it um Warwick

still had a hard time with it um Warwick Acoustics bva now this one for me is s

Acoustics bva now this one for me is s

Acoustics bva now this one for me is s tier for the uh just in general with s

tier for the uh just in general with s

tier for the uh just in general with s tier tonality and a tier subjective

tier tonality and a tier subjective

tier tonality and a tier subjective characteristics for me solid s tier with

characteristics for me solid s tier with

characteristics for me solid s tier with the asterisk that if you're the kind of

the asterisk that if you're the kind of

the asterisk that if you're the kind of person that listens particularly loud

person that listens particularly loud

person that listens particularly loud this won't work for you I luckily don't

this won't work for you I luckily don't

this won't work for you I luckily don't so it was fine and I absolutely love

so it was fine and I absolutely love

so it was fine and I absolutely love that system but I have heard that uh

that system but I have heard that uh

that system but I have heard that uh some people who listen particularly loud

some people who listen particularly loud

some people who listen particularly loud were able to basically get it to clip

were able to basically get it to clip

were able to basically get it to clip so okay for me both Warick headphones

so okay for me both Warick headphones

so okay for me both Warick headphones are

are

are s+ I know the the yeah the apperio I

s+ I know the the yeah the apperio I

s+ I know the the yeah the apperio I feel like is a little bit more

feel like is a little bit more

feel like is a little bit more technically capable but the bra Vera is

technically capable but the bra Vera is

technically capable but the bra Vera is so incredibly well-tuned and the bra

so incredibly well-tuned and the bra

so incredibly well-tuned and the bra Vera is like almost an H1 to me in many

Vera is like almost an H1 to me in many

Vera is like almost an H1 to me in many ways and surpasses it in some ways while

ways and surpasses it in some ways while

ways and surpasses it in some ways while kind of falling behind in others that I

kind of falling behind in others that I

kind of falling behind in others that I feel like it deserves to be in the same

feel like it deserves to be in the same

feel like it deserves to be in the same tier

tier

tier um and bra is like one of the most it's

um and bra is like one of the most it's

um and bra is like one of the most it's probably one of the cases where I've

probably one of the cases where I've

probably one of the cases where I've been the most impressed with a headphone

been the most impressed with a headphone

been the most impressed with a headphone so both Warick for me or

so both Warick for me or

so both Warick for me or s+ I don't know if I can put braa in the

s+ I don't know if I can put braa in the

s+ I don't know if I can put braa in the same tier as aerio or H1 so I didn't

same tier as aerio or H1 so I didn't

same tier as aerio or H1 so I didn't quite put it in s+ but I I'd be tempted

quite put it in s+ but I I'd be tempted

quite put it in s+ but I I'd be tempted to it's it's a high s for me Warick as a

to it's it's a high s for me Warick as a

to it's it's a high s for me Warick as a whole is has done pretty well on this

whole is has done pretty well on this

whole is has done pretty well on this ranking well they only have two

ranking well they only have two

ranking well they only have two headphones so two really good

headphones so two really good

headphones so two really good headphon yeah uh yeah the apperio is

headphon yeah uh yeah the apperio is

headphon yeah uh yeah the apperio is also only an S tier for me and the

also only an S tier for me and the

also only an S tier for me and the reason is uh it's s+ for subjective

reason is uh it's s+ for subjective

reason is uh it's s+ for subjective characteristics it's the only thing on

characteristics it's the only thing on

characteristics it's the only thing on here for me that's s+ uh but the

here for me that's s+ uh but the

here for me that's s+ uh but the tonality I find not as good as the H1

tonality I find not as good as the H1

tonality I find not as good as the H1 for example and actually I prefer the

for example and actually I prefer the

for example and actually I prefer the B's overall you know sound signature but

B's overall you know sound signature but

B's overall you know sound signature but you know this is one where it's like is

you know this is one where it's like is

you know this is one where it's like is the trade-off worth it it might be so I

the trade-off worth it it might be so I

the trade-off worth it it might be so I think I I'd agree I'd say the braa and

think I I'd agree I'd say the braa and

think I I'd agree I'd say the braa and the H1 both slightly better tuned but

the H1 both slightly better tuned but

the H1 both slightly better tuned but the apperio is much more technical I

the apperio is much more technical I

the apperio is much more technical I think than both of them I think it's

think than both of them I think it's

think than both of them I think it's quite a bit more technical than the H1 I

quite a bit more technical than the H1 I

quite a bit more technical than the H1 I so I'd put it comfortably in

so I'd put it comfortably in

so I'd put it comfortably in s+ yeah all right on to zmf zmf uh or

s+ yeah all right on to zmf zmf uh or

s+ yeah all right on to zmf zmf uh or zmf for Canadians and you Brits sure DMS

zmf for Canadians and you Brits sure DMS

zmf for Canadians and you Brits sure DMS is dying inside all right so the oour

is dying inside all right so the oour

is dying inside all right so the oour classic um I'm going to base my judgment

classic um I'm going to base my judgment

classic um I'm going to base my judgment here off of the oour because that's the

here off of the oour because that's the

here off of the oour because that's the one that I owned I didn't own the oour

one that I owned I didn't own the oour

one that I owned I didn't own the oour classic so take that with an asterisk

classic so take that with an asterisk

classic so take that with an asterisk for me theour is uh an a tier headphone

for me theour is uh an a tier headphone

for me theour is uh an a tier headphone it has to be it has a tonality that I

it has to be it has a tonality that I

it has to be it has a tonality that I absolutely loved so it's s tier for its

absolutely loved so it's s tier for its

absolutely loved so it's s tier for its tonality for me uh the subjective

tonality for me uh the subjective

tonality for me uh the subjective characteristics were not quite on that

characteristics were not quite on that

characteristics were not quite on that same level but i' I quite enjoy that

same level but i' I quite enjoy that

same level but i' I quite enjoy that headphone overall yeah I have to agree

headphone overall yeah I have to agree

headphone overall yeah I have to agree otor classic is really just an otor but

otor classic is really just an otor but

otor classic is really just an otor but a little bit better and it's an easy a

a little bit better and it's an easy a

a little bit better and it's an easy a tier for me too same here easy a tier so

tier for me too same here easy a tier so

tier for me too same here easy a tier so next would be the AOL list

next would be the AOL list

next would be the AOL list which something interesting with zmf

which something interesting with zmf

which something interesting with zmf they come with a selection of pads to

they come with a selection of pads to

they come with a selection of pads to pick from I think the best Pad you can

pick from I think the best Pad you can

pick from I think the best Pad you can pick for the aolis is the hybrid pad

pick for the aolis is the hybrid pad

pick for the aolis is the hybrid pad with the hybrid pad it is like the god

with the hybrid pad it is like the god

with the hybrid pad it is like the god king of tamber that sits on his throne

king of tamber that sits on his throne

king of tamber that sits on his throne on a mountain um and that is an easy a

on a mountain um and that is an easy a

on a mountain um and that is an easy a tier if not like a really easy High a

tier if not like a really easy High a

tier if not like a really easy High a tier because how good it tamber

tier because how good it tamber

tier because how good it tamber is I also have it an a tier um I I

is I also have it an a tier um I I

is I also have it an a tier um I I didn't like it quite as much as the

didn't like it quite as much as the

didn't like it quite as much as the oture but um I can see why people like

oture but um I can see why people like

oture but um I can see why people like it I had a for tonality and B for

it I had a for tonality and B for

it I had a for tonality and B for subjective characteristics I I have it

subjective characteristics I I have it

subjective characteristics I I have it in a as well I would slightly contest

in a as well I would slightly contest

in a as well I would slightly contest the kind of tamber thing and this is

the kind of tamber thing and this is

the kind of tamber thing and this is something which I'd say for a couple Z

something which I'd say for a couple Z

something which I'd say for a couple Z of FS is that I don't necessarily think

of FS is that I don't necessarily think

of FS is that I don't necessarily think that just the description of good tamber

that just the description of good tamber

that just the description of good tamber I more realistic is necessarily

I more realistic is necessarily

I more realistic is necessarily applicable to all of them a lot of them

applicable to all of them a lot of them

applicable to all of them a lot of them are sort of almost exaggerating things a

are sort of almost exaggerating things a

are sort of almost exaggerating things a bit which I really like that's why I

bit which I really like that's why I

bit which I really like that's why I like the atrium so much for instance

like the atrium so much for instance

like the atrium so much for instance it's very

it's very

it's very romanticized yeah but I wouldn't say

romanticized yeah but I wouldn't say

romanticized yeah but I wouldn't say that they're the most realistic or

that they're the most realistic or

that they're the most realistic or natural sounding headphones but but that

natural sounding headphones but but that

natural sounding headphones but but that I don't want them to be tamber is

I don't want them to be tamber is

I don't want them to be tamber is something that is actually identifiable

something that is actually identifiable

something that is actually identifiable in frequency response now I think um and

in frequency response now I think um and

in frequency response now I think um and it I mean it it's not even now it was

it I mean it it's not even now it was

it I mean it it's not even now it was before as well it just that we have a

before as well it just that we have a

before as well it just that we have a more fine grained thing to look at

more fine grained thing to look at

more fine grained thing to look at frequency response against and maybe it'

frequency response against and maybe it'

frequency response against and maybe it' be interesting to see actually how these

be interesting to see actually how these

be interesting to see actually how these measure I'm I'm curious but headphones

measure I'm I'm curious but headphones

measure I'm I'm curious but headphones that are generally well received for

that are generally well received for

that are generally well received for good tamber will also typically be

good tamber will also typically be

good tamber will also typically be fairly dfh TF uh when measured right so

fairly dfh TF uh when measured right so

fairly dfh TF uh when measured right so anyways the the other ones I'm the

anyways the the other ones I'm the

anyways the the other ones I'm the atrium I'm going to defer to you guys

atrium I'm going to defer to you guys

atrium I'm going to defer to you guys cuz I only heard them at the at a show

cuz I only heard them at the at a show

cuz I only heard them at the at a show for me the atrium is a definitive s it's

for me the atrium is a definitive s it's

for me the atrium is a definitive s it's one of those headphones that I

one of those headphones that I

one of those headphones that I immediately heard and was like I have to

immediately heard and was like I have to

immediately heard and was like I have to buy this right now yeah I uh out of all

buy this right now yeah I uh out of all

buy this right now yeah I uh out of all the headphones I've got the atrim is the

the headphones I've got the atrim is the

the headphones I've got the atrim is the one that I end up listening to the most

one that I end up listening to the most

one that I end up listening to the most like an allrounder yeah oh 100% it's not

like an allrounder yeah oh 100% it's not

like an allrounder yeah oh 100% it's not the most technical headphone in the

the most technical headphone in the

the most technical headphone in the world there are other headphones which

world there are other headphones which

world there are other headphones which are a lot more detailed than it but just

are a lot more detailed than it but just

are a lot more detailed than it but just it's so close to being a perfect

it's so close to being a perfect

it's so close to being a perfect headphone see I would love to listen to

headphone see I would love to listen to

headphone see I would love to listen to it more or listen you know get know

it more or listen you know get know

it more or listen you know get know chance to listen one because that what

chance to listen one because that what

chance to listen one because that what you're describing that's what I'm

you're describing that's what I'm

you're describing that's what I'm looking for in headphones these days

looking for in headphones these days

looking for in headphones these days more than like the the the crazy you

more than like the the the crazy you

more than like the the the crazy you know esoteric stuff I like stuff to

know esoteric stuff I like stuff to

know esoteric stuff I like stuff to sound like natural I you'll get to

sound like natural I you'll get to

sound like natural I you'll get to listen to mine when I bring it up yeah

listen to mine when I bring it up yeah

listen to mine when I bring it up yeah uh Atrium closed I do have an opinion on

uh Atrium closed I do have an opinion on

uh Atrium closed I do have an opinion on this one but that's with the caveat of

this one but that's with the caveat of

this one but that's with the caveat of the pads that it had on it at the show

the pads that it had on it at the show

the pads that it had on it at the show um that I that I heard it at I was less

um that I that I heard it at I was less

um that I that I heard it at I was less into this one than I was the others that

into this one than I was the others that

into this one than I was the others that I heard so for me it's in B tier I was

I heard so for me it's in B tier I was

I heard so for me it's in B tier I was less into it and then we tried the suede

less into it and then we tried the suede

less into it and then we tried the suede PS on it and almost immediately I

PS on it and almost immediately I

PS on it and almost immediately I thought this is really close to an

thought this is really close to an

thought this is really close to an Atrium and sounds extremely similar just

Atrium and sounds extremely similar just

Atrium and sounds extremely similar just not quite as good but it's amazing how

not quite as good but it's amazing how

not quite as good but it's amazing how close he was able to get it for the fact

close he was able to get it for the fact

close he was able to get it for the fact that it's a Clos back I've put it in a B

that it's a Clos back I've put it in a B

that it's a Clos back I've put it in a B I would be tempted to bump it up to an A

I would be tempted to bump it up to an A

I would be tempted to bump it up to an A but I think that it just doesn't quite

but I think that it just doesn't quite

but I think that it just doesn't quite match the magic of the actual Atrium

match the magic of the actual Atrium

match the magic of the actual Atrium open so i' I've kept it in B okay I'm

open so i' I've kept it in B okay I'm

open so i' I've kept it in B okay I'm really torn on that one because I only

really torn on that one because I only

really torn on that one because I only heard at the show environment so I

heard at the show environment so I

heard at the show environment so I haven't spent enough time with it it's

haven't spent enough time with it it's

haven't spent enough time with it it's between a and b for me one of the sets

between a and b for me one of the sets

between a and b for me one of the sets of pads I heard was an A but I don't

of pads I heard was an A but I don't

of pads I heard was an A but I don't remember which pad that was probably the

remember which pad that was probably the

remember which pad that was probably the sued was pretty sure that was the sued

sued was pretty sure that was the sued

sued was pretty sure that was the sued one yeah could be for with the suede

one yeah could be for with the suede

one yeah could be for with the suede pads it was an a for me all right the

pads it was an a for me all right the

pads it was an a for me all right the next one is the ver open and this is

next one is the ver open and this is

next one is the ver open and this is where things get a bit spicy because uh

where things get a bit spicy because uh

where things get a bit spicy because uh I actually also used to own that

I actually also used to own that

I actually also used to own that headphone um and so here's the thing it

headphone um and so here's the thing it

headphone um and so here's the thing it definitely is the most technical or

definitely is the most technical or

definitely is the most technical or subjectively good for those qualities of

subjectively good for those qualities of

subjectively good for those qualities of the dynamic driver ZFS that I've heard

the dynamic driver ZFS that I've heard

the dynamic driver ZFS that I've heard um I'd agree but its tonality is is also

um I'd agree but its tonality is is also

um I'd agree but its tonality is is also very much on the esoteric and flavored

very much on the esoteric and flavored

very much on the esoteric and flavored side of things it's quite warm in the in

side of things it's quite warm in the in

side of things it's quite warm in the in the upper mids uh or lower trouble

the upper mids uh or lower trouble

the upper mids uh or lower trouble depending on how you define it so it's I

depending on how you define it so it's I

depending on how you define it so it's I think for some people looking for that

think for some people looking for that

think for some people looking for that more warm Lush kind of presentation this

more warm Lush kind of presentation this

more warm Lush kind of presentation this could be the perfect allrounder but for

could be the perfect allrounder but for

could be the perfect allrounder but for PE I'd say for the average person it

PE I'd say for the average person it

PE I'd say for the average person it would be a little bit too on the uh

would be a little bit too on the uh

would be a little bit too on the uh esoteric side of things um and that's

esoteric side of things um and that's

esoteric side of things um and that's why I gave it a b overall um and then

why I gave it a b overall um and then

why I gave it a b overall um and then weirdly the ver closed I gave an a

weirdly the ver closed I gave an a

weirdly the ver closed I gave an a because I think it is a little bit more

because I think it is a little bit more

because I think it is a little bit more normal just that it has that same 5K uh

normal just that it has that same 5K uh

normal just that it has that same 5K uh resonance uh but overall if I were to

resonance uh but overall if I were to

resonance uh but overall if I were to buy a ver today it would be the close I

buy a ver today it would be the close I

buy a ver today it would be the close I I agree with you it's one of the few

I agree with you it's one of the few

I agree with you it's one of the few instances where I prefer the closed

instances where I prefer the closed

instances where I prefer the closed version of a headphone compared to the

version of a headphone compared to the

version of a headphone compared to the open version I like them both they're

open version I like them both they're

open version I like them both they're both quite esoteric and tuning and it's

both quite esoteric and tuning and it's

both quite esoteric and tuning and it's just not going to work for some people

just not going to work for some people

just not going to work for some people and others it's going to be their

and others it's going to be their

and others it's going to be their exactly what they were looking for I had

exactly what they were looking for I had

exactly what they were looking for I had the uh the verit open at a B and the ver

the uh the verit open at a B and the ver

the uh the verit open at a B and the ver closed at an a I also thought that this

closed at an a I also thought that this

closed at an a I also thought that this was one of the ones where the pads just

was one of the ones where the pads just

was one of the ones where the pads just changed things rather than being a

changed things rather than being a

changed things rather than being a definitive best Pad like the Calera and

definitive best Pad like the Calera and

definitive best Pad like the Calera and the atrium there was a pad which I like

the atrium there was a pad which I like

the atrium there was a pad which I like the most and then the other ones I just

the most and then the other ones I just

the most and then the other ones I just thought were worse this one it was they

thought were worse this one it was they

thought were worse this one it was they just sounded a bit different and they

just sounded a bit different and they

just sounded a bit different and they just changed things in different ways so

just changed things in different ways so

just changed things in different ways so DMS yeah I went the same way as Cameron

DMS yeah I went the same way as Cameron

DMS yeah I went the same way as Cameron ver open I put B and ver closed I put a

ver open I put B and ver closed I put a

ver open I put B and ver closed I put a specifically though I loved the ver

specifically though I loved the ver

specifically though I loved the ver closed with the suede pads yeah we we're

closed with the suede pads yeah we we're

closed with the suede pads yeah we we're all in the same page with that with

all in the same page with that with

all in the same page with that with those two I think um

those two I think um

those two I think um Caldera Caldera for me is an a tier yeah

Caldera Caldera for me is an a tier yeah

Caldera Caldera for me is an a tier yeah I mean I have a Calera here like the

I mean I have a Calera here like the

I mean I have a Calera here like the tuning is uh pretty good but there's a

tuning is uh pretty good but there's a

tuning is uh pretty good but there's a little bit of a trouble Spike that gets

little bit of a trouble Spike that gets

little bit of a trouble Spike that gets to me but the technicalities are so good

to me but the technicalities are so good

to me but the technicalities are so good and then I swapped a pad which I know

and then I swapped a pad which I know

and then I swapped a pad which I know we're not counting pad swaps without if

we're not counting pad swaps without if

we're not counting pad swaps without if you counted pad swaps this would go into

you counted pad swaps this would go into

you counted pad swaps this would go into s tier for me with the stock pads for me

s tier for me with the stock pads for me

s tier for me with the stock pads for me it's an a tier I think it's okay to

it's an a tier I think it's okay to

it's an a tier I think it's okay to count pad swots with this one because

count pad swots with this one because

count pad swots with this one because they give you come yeah exactly but the

they give you come yeah exactly but the

they give you come yeah exactly but the pad that I would recommend for

pad that I would recommend for

pad that I would recommend for it the pad I'd recommend that makes it s

it the pad I'd recommend that makes it s

it the pad I'd recommend that makes it s is not a pad that they include with it

is not a pad that they include with it

is not a pad that they include with it oh okay that's interesting it's the

oh okay that's interesting it's the

oh okay that's interesting it's the dcone LCD suede

dcone LCD suede

dcone LCD suede pad okay I'm G to have to give that a go

pad okay I'm G to have to give that a go

pad okay I'm G to have to give that a go cuz my favorite pad with it was the zmf

cuz my favorite pad with it was the zmf

cuz my favorite pad with it was the zmf suede Pad but I've not tried the dcone

suede Pad but I've not tried the dcone

suede Pad but I've not tried the dcone one the only reason I've not put it in

one the only reason I've not put it in

one the only reason I've not put it in an S tier is just that treble Spike if

an S tier is just that treble Spike if

an S tier is just that treble Spike if that pad clears it up I would put in an

that pad clears it up I would put in an

that pad clears it up I would put in an S TI but just because we're talking

S TI but just because we're talking

S TI but just because we're talking about the stock pads or the pads that

about the stock pads or the pads that

about the stock pads or the pads that you can get to come with it cuz they

you can get to come with it cuz they

you can get to come with it cuz they give you two sets I put it solid a so

give you two sets I put it solid a so

give you two sets I put it solid a so out of all the zmf that I heard the

out of all the zmf that I heard the

out of all the zmf that I heard the Caldera was the one that I would love to

Caldera was the one that I would love to

Caldera was the one that I would love to get in because um I heard it at the show

get in because um I heard it at the show

get in because um I heard it at the show briefly and what I heard sounded very

briefly and what I heard sounded very

briefly and what I heard sounded very good to me so that was one I was like

good to me so that was one I was like

good to me so that was one I was like make a note of that try and listen to it

make a note of that try and listen to it

make a note of that try and listen to it again yeah you'll have to listen to I'll

again yeah you'll have to listen to I'll

again yeah you'll have to listen to I'll bring mine up you can listen to it yeah

bring mine up you can listen to it yeah

bring mine up you can listen to it yeah yeah for sure um I think that's it for

yeah for sure um I think that's it for

yeah for sure um I think that's it for the list it is how many headphones was

the list it is how many headphones was

the list it is how many headphones was that uh

that uh

that uh a lot oh just over 180 about 200 yeah

a lot oh just over 180 about 200 yeah

a lot oh just over 180 about 200 yeah close to two almost 200 nice first do we

close to two almost 200 nice first do we

close to two almost 200 nice first do we have any like thoughts uh after having

have any like thoughts uh after having

have any like thoughts uh after having gone through this exercise now I think

gone through this exercise now I think

gone through this exercise now I think that there's a lot of things we agreed

that there's a lot of things we agreed

that there's a lot of things we agreed on and of course there's some things

on and of course there's some things

on and of course there's some things that we disagreed on but not too

that we disagreed on but not too

that we disagreed on but not too severely there's definitely some

severely there's definitely some

severely there's definitely some inexpensive things that made it very

inexpensive things that made it very

inexpensive things that made it very high and some expensive things that made

high and some expensive things that made

high and some expensive things that made it very low uh but that's just the

it very low uh but that's just the

it very low uh but that's just the nature of these things it is what it is

nature of these things it is what it is

nature of these things it is what it is audio's gotten a lot better over the

audio's gotten a lot better over the

audio's gotten a lot better over the last few years and as a result so in

last few years and as a result so in

last few years and as a result so in expensive things are getting very good I

expensive things are getting very good I

expensive things are getting very good I feel pretty good about this list I think

feel pretty good about this list I think

feel pretty good about this list I think that if we averaged out all of our

that if we averaged out all of our

that if we averaged out all of our results most things would stay the same

results most things would stay the same

results most things would stay the same and only a few things would actually

and only a few things would actually

and only a few things would actually change but I feel like we ended up with

change but I feel like we ended up with

change but I feel like we ended up with a you know a pretty consistent result

a you know a pretty consistent result

a you know a pretty consistent result for the most part yeah the scatter plot

for the most part yeah the scatter plot

for the most part yeah the scatter plot would be fairly it would all sort of go

would be fairly it would all sort of go

would be fairly it would all sort of go in in the same groupings I think for the

in in the same groupings I think for the

in in the same groupings I think for the most part with a couple of outliers here

most part with a couple of outliers here

most part with a couple of outliers here and there um the one thing that I wanted

and there um the one thing that I wanted

and there um the one thing that I wanted to point out is that uh I think as

to point out is that uh I think as

to point out is that uh I think as expected uh well I don't know but for

expected uh well I don't know but for

expected uh well I don't know but for you guys but for my list most most of

you guys but for my list most most of

you guys but for my list most most of the headphones on here would be

the headphones on here would be

the headphones on here would be somewhere between B and C there's a lot

somewhere between B and C there's a lot

somewhere between B and C there's a lot of B and c's for me um you know with

of B and c's for me um you know with

of B and c's for me um you know with fewer on the extremes and I I think that

fewer on the extremes and I I think that

fewer on the extremes and I I think that that's also kind of normal that's kind

that's also kind of normal that's kind

that's also kind of normal that's kind of expected we actually had consensus on

of expected we actually had consensus on

of expected we actually had consensus on most of them or or were at least

most of them or or were at least

most of them or or were at least understanding of if there was a

understanding of if there was a

understanding of if there was a difference why the other person felt

difference why the other person felt

difference why the other person felt that way but there were also a couple of

that way but there were also a couple of

that way but there were also a couple of them where it's

them where it's

them where it's like there's uh there needs to be some

like there's uh there needs to be some

like there's uh there needs to be some sort of qualification right of like you

sort of qualification right of like you

sort of qualification right of like you know uh uh something might be ranked

know uh uh something might be ranked

know uh uh something might be ranked really highly for subjective qualities

really highly for subjective qualities

really highly for subjective qualities but really poorly for its tonality like

but really poorly for its tonality like

but really poorly for its tonality like the ab1266 for example and there were a

the ab1266 for example and there were a

the ab1266 for example and there were a couple of those and those are ones where

couple of those and those are ones where

couple of those and those are ones where it's impossible to really give a fair

it's impossible to really give a fair

it's impossible to really give a fair ranking to

ranking to

ranking to because depending on the person it could

because depending on the person it could

because depending on the person it could be the best thing ever or the worst

be the best thing ever or the worst

be the best thing ever or the worst thing ever so um but for the for

thing ever so um but for the for

thing ever so um but for the for everything else I think we were pretty

everything else I think we were pretty

everything else I think we were pretty darn uh close to one another it's uh

darn uh close to one another it's uh

darn uh close to one another it's uh it's surprising how we've got such a

it's surprising how we've got such a

it's surprising how we've got such a consensus on so much of it and then

consensus on so much of it and then

consensus on so much of it and then there's a few ones where not only did we

there's a few ones where not only did we

there's a few ones where not only did we sort of have different findings or or

sort of have different findings or or

sort of have different findings or or different rankings but we understood why

different rankings but we understood why

different rankings but we understood why we each rank things different ways but

we each rank things different ways but

we each rank things different ways but there's a couple ones where we just had

there's a couple ones where we just had

there's a couple ones where we just had quite different experiences and it shows

quite different experiences and it shows

quite different experiences and it shows that whilst overall people are going to

that whilst overall people are going to

that whilst overall people are going to have broadly similar experiences there

have broadly similar experiences there

have broadly similar experiences there are absolutely certain ones where your

are absolutely certain ones where your

are absolutely certain ones where your head shape and H the headphone transfer

head shape and H the headphone transfer

head shape and H the headphone transfer function is going to affect things to

function is going to affect things to

function is going to affect things to quite a drastic extent yeah yeah

quite a drastic extent yeah yeah

quite a drastic extent yeah yeah definitely like there's there's

definitely like there's there's

definitely like there's there's basically when it comes to sound quality

basically when it comes to sound quality

basically when it comes to sound quality uh well I mean there's probably lots

uh well I mean there's probably lots

uh well I mean there's probably lots more than three variables but I'm saying

more than three variables but I'm saying

more than three variables but I'm saying there's three key variables to consider

there's three key variables to consider

there's three key variables to consider with headphones one is the head related

with headphones one is the head related

with headphones one is the head related transfer function so the anatomy of the

transfer function so the anatomy of the

transfer function so the anatomy of the person the other is the headphone

person the other is the headphone

person the other is the headphone transfer function and the third and

transfer function and the third and

transfer function and the third and probably most important thing is

probably most important thing is

probably most important thing is preference and I think

preference and I think

preference and I think um given that you can't be sure of what

um given that you can't be sure of what

um given that you can't be sure of what that's going to what those three

that's going to what those three

that's going to what those three variables are going to be for any

variables are going to be for any

variables are going to be for any individual it's impossible to say this

individual it's impossible to say this

individual it's impossible to say this is categorically going to sound like

is categorically going to sound like

is categorically going to sound like this to that person or be preferred uh

this to that person or be preferred uh

this to that person or be preferred uh um to any individual but taken an

um to any individual but taken an

um to any individual but taken an aggregate taken as a whole you know we

aggregate taken as a whole you know we

aggregate taken as a whole you know we can come up with a reasonable picture

can come up with a reasonable picture

can come up with a reasonable picture and I think that's kind of what you see

and I think that's kind of what you see

and I think that's kind of what you see here with these different lists I was

here with these different lists I was

here with these different lists I was just going to say that it's interesting

just going to say that it's interesting

just going to say that it's interesting how there's a couple brands that have

how there's a couple brands that have

how there's a couple brands that have some just completely all over the place

some just completely all over the place

some just completely all over the place rankings you'd think that you know oh

rankings you'd think that you know oh

rankings you'd think that you know oh certain companies are going to be really

certain companies are going to be really

certain companies are going to be really consistent but then well Sennheiser goes

consistent but then well Sennheiser goes

consistent but then well Sennheiser goes all the way from an H to an s+ so yeah

all the way from an H to an s+ so yeah

all the way from an H to an s+ so yeah that's uh that's interesting yeah I I

that's uh that's interesting yeah I I

that's uh that's interesting yeah I I was thinking that as well and there are

was thinking that as well and there are

was thinking that as well and there are some where it's a little bit more

some where it's a little bit more

some where it's a little bit more consistent

consistent

consistent but yeah for a lot of Brands it's uh you

but yeah for a lot of Brands it's uh you

but yeah for a lot of Brands it's uh you get you get the full spectrum of you

get you get the full spectrum of you

get you get the full spectrum of you know truly great products to how did

know truly great products to how did

know truly great products to how did these even

these even

these even happen so so I think that concludes our

happen so so I think that concludes our

happen so so I think that concludes our list I guess there's going to be a lot

list I guess there's going to be a lot

list I guess there's going to be a lot of discussion in the comments already

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