This podcast episode emphasizes the profound strength, resilience, and pivotal role of Lady Zaynab, particularly highlighting her as a universal role model for both men and women, transcending traditional gender expectations within Islamic discourse. The discussion also touches upon the importance of patience and the power of spreading knowledge through modern media.
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dear viewers, welcome to another episode
of our live podcast on Elasi TV where
tonight I'm joined with the respected Hassani
Hassani
and really it's just an open discussion.
We've got a few events to mention. One
being the martyrdom of Zam
Alhamdulillah. I'm doing great.
>> It's good to be back in the studio. >> Hello.
>> Hello.
>> Some changes. We've got a new studio also.
also.
>> A more laidback um environment which is
very nice. And I love the purple paint.
>> It really brings out everything.
>> The good contrast. Yeah, it's it's a bit
different than the old uh white. All
white. Yeah, we're changing it quite a
bit with this color. I was told you can
play around with it, make it bluish,
make it Yeah. Alhamdulillah, it's good.
>> Step forward. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, you know, I'm going to I'm going to
use one of tactics even though he's not
here and we do dearly miss him. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And uh in the Friday lecture, you
mentioned something that was beautiful.
I think a lot of people don't really
understand that when it comes to role
models, when it comes to the B and the
family of the prophet. I feel like
there's a there's a male versus female
and like the females feel like they
maybe they have less role models because
um
and for the males we probably have a lot
more like that we can go to which is you
know the prophet and all and the imams
the 12 ims but you mentioned that when
it comes to
>> and her being a role model and her being
the mother of patience and not the
mother of calamities that Z being a
Zanabi is for all. It can be for the
males and for the females.
>> That's right.
>> I felt like that was a beautiful
beautiful point. Um and if you want to
touch on that for our viewers again and
>> like you mentioned, yeah, we do have the
male side. They do have a lot more to
pick from and that is a actually from
>> and he mentions the four means that the
perfection they reach the perfection
many of the males but of course
the females they also can take some male
role models
but Lady Zanab Lady Zanab she has a
fascinating life uh because you know uh
when it comes to a woman they looked at
as this very fragile being very fragile
compared to the male side they look at
the male he's stronger he goes to war
he's a father he's this and that and
sometimes even in some households when a
male says I have some emotional problems
and all this they say to him you're a
male you know you just deal with it like
they say
>> hold it in hold your emotions in walk it
off be strong be strong but when it
comes to females uh you speak to her two
three words, she starts to cry and she
shows that emotion and she's like a
delicate flower. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> When it comes to Lady Zanab, she showed
these uh characteristics
that no one has ever seen and that is to
be patient in the worst worst tragedies.
>> The the tragedies of looking with your
own eyes and seeing all what is
happening and I'm just I'm not just
talking about the day of Ashw even
before that with the demise of the
prophet. Yeah,
>> she was there.
>> She was very young.
>> And then the demise of Fatim Zah, the
martyrdom of Lady Fatim Zah.
>> She saw the attack on the house. She saw
the burning of the door. Then she saw the
the
>> the father,
>> the father and then Im Hassan and then I
im yet she showed this beautiful
character that she has this she has this
kind of a >> um
>> um
>> when it comes to patience, you mention
her straight away. You say the pensions
of patience, the mountain of patience,
>> the mountain of patience. And that word
that I mentioned, I think on Friday, I
don't know if it was Friday or somewhere else,
else,
>> I said that we have to have it on our
screenshots and we have to really have a
big post of it.
>> I didn't see anything but but beauty. Yeah.
Yeah.
>> And you know more than me. And taking
that, sorry to cut you off, but taking that
that
and the patience aspect, we always just
go to and but now that you've put it
that way, it really opens up your mind
that Z out of the the
prophet and
Hussein she was the one who witnessed
all of their demise, all of their
martyrdoms. And so when she says you
take it into a bigger context it's not
just what happened in the sebi which
happened after it but she saw everything
>> and she was able to stay strong to the
point where those people who were seeing
her deliver her speech in front of
they say it's as if we saw speaking
speaking of
of
>> I was about to say you've seen it more
than me in the hospitals Because you
work there and in that environment
>> when someone loses a loved ones how they break.
break. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And it's very hard.
>> Exactly. It's not something light that
we can say oh someone passed away and
just have
>> no in the moment there's that all goes
out the no matter how strong you think
you are like in that moment everyone
will break down >> everyone
>> everyone
>> and everyone will will react differently
but at the end of the day like it's very
tough it's very difficult
>> and so when it comes to say zab and what
she witnessed it's
>> well she witnessed on the day of and we
read it we recite the maktal we call it
the maktal and we we cry the day
And and when we going through it and
even if we hear reciting it
>> and we go through these we say how can a
person live that life and survive. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But she she survived that day and she continued
continued
>> and I think day of she um started from
the day of Ashra onward that she started
to illuminate and she started to tell us
who Zayab is. Zanab came came into
>> yeah came into the spotlight because for
her whole life while her father is alive
and her brothers are alive no one has
seen her shadow
>> and I think that goes to show how
important and how big of a step it was
for Imam Hussein to take his sister
along with him
>> when for her whole life she only leaves
her house at night and then the candles
are put out by her brothers just in case
someone sees her shadow and they're
walking beside her to go from where?
from her house to her grandfather's
house to see her grandfather to visit
her grandfather. And so for her to leave
from um Medina all the way to Kabala on
on top of a camel and then to witness
everything and the imam knows what's
so he knows exactly what's going to
happen but he still chose to bring the
family and bring his sister and bring
everyone all the women and the kids and
the children with him on that mission to
show the importance of their role. After
>> the sacrifice was very important but
then the message and the messenger of
that revolution was sed
where in Kuf she literally like shames
them shames those people they were
crying because they they had no idea she
and that famous speech and it's so
powerful and in Arabic
um you cry may your tears never stop um
>> and she goes on to literally
shame them and explain exactly what
they've done. And there's no more um no
one can say that there's any ignorance
or we didn't we didn't know or or
anything like that because a lot of
people can claim oh we didn't know we
didn't hear what not and then obviously
in Shan in front of Yazid
>> in his castle um in his power trip he's
the the the literally the tip of his
power trip
>> where he's just killed the grandson of
his own messenger
>> and she's able to stand up to him and
literally he was trembling in his own castle.
castle.
>> My uncle said Mudasi has written two
books. Yeah.
>> One Hussein
>> and when he finished with that book he
was told that Zanab
>> where is her role.
>> So it took him years to write another book
book
>> and then Zanab stood and she does she
starts to shine with her. I I believe
And then the salat the faith that
>> her faith became stronger. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Who does this that you go to the body of
your brother, you leave all other
bodies. You leave the bodies of your
sons and other loved ones. You go to
Imam Hussein's body
>> and you put your hand under the body and
you lift it a bit and you say, "Oh God,
take this as our sacrifice sacrifice and
accept it."
>> Yeah. Uh and then she continues and I
mentioned this a while back that you see
her from the day of Ash after the
martyrdom of Im Hussein.
>> She's showing this role that she's a
caretaker of the caravan. She's a
protector of the Imam of her time right
now imb
>> and then she enters Kuf.
>> She delivers in Kuf before the Kuf what
>> I was just about to mention that. Yeah.
And then and that's correct me if I'm
wrong but that's really interesting
because there is an opinion I believe
that because the imam was in such a
state that there was a period of time
where say filled the role of Imam in a
certain way in in in some sense not
fully to the full extent of it but there
was and that's the perfect um example
which is what's another one that you
mentioned in the Friday prayer which is
when Zen Abd was about his surrender his
soul as you
And then she mentions the hadith of
>> That's right.
>> Um which is when the angel came down and
explained everything what's going to
happen to everyone and how they're going
to die >> and
>> and
>> she gave him strength.
>> She gave him
>> the im the infallible IM of Yeah.
>> She gave him strength and she made it
very clear reassuring the imam. We can
say it's it's not I don't want to say a
word that it's going to be wrong.
>> No. Yeah. But we can say we can say that
she was in a position where the imam
meaning that she has
that that's the only way I can interpret
it in my limited knowledge that when he says
says
meaning you have knowledge that you
haven't learned meaning Allah subhana wa
ta has certainly given her such a high status
status
>> that's right
>> a degree of infallibility
>> there's no doubt about that I think no
one can doubt that the environment She
grew up in the house, the house of prophethood,
prophethood,
>> the house of Im.
is
her father is
that's why when she delivered the sermon
in Kufa the narrator says it was as if
Ali is uttering in her ears and she was
saying it back
the eloquence of the tongue of
>> the tongue of and of course it's lady zan
zan
>> and then what she says to zad that Allah
subhana wa tala Allah judges you and
judges them
then she says
may Allah may your mother sit and cry
for you weep for you oh who does that
and they they these guys they thought
the of the tyrants they thought you know
what we killed Hussein and we are done
with it if you look at the the journey
"Im Hussein thought about everything
because it's a revolution and the
revolution needs couple of things. one
the leader and that is Im
>> the message
and there's a whole book
>> of sayings of Im Hussein from
Abdah from Medina tobal we have it in
far we have it in Arabic we have it in English
English
>> because there was plenty of stops um the
Imam had
>> I don't know the exact number but I
think it was at least
it was more than 12 stops definitely
more than 12 stops
>> and even on the day
>> every stop that the imam stops at he
gives people a sense because it's
interesting because you just mentioned
it's a revolution and it is a revolution
but which other revolution in the
history of mankind do you find the
revolutionary the person leading the
revolution the first thing that he says
to the people who are there to support
him is that I'm going to be killed I'm
going to be cut up on the plains of
Kabella you will all be killed we're all
going to go to our certain death >> no
>> no
>> usually the revolutionary and the person
who wants to start a revolution says you
know what boosts the morale
going to give you positions in the government.
government.
>> You're going to get this position.
You're going to get some money, some
booties of the war.
>> Um, we're going to be successful. We're
going to be strong. Even though he knows
they're not, but to boost their morale
and then for other people to join him.
>> But the imam says, "No, this is very
clear. This is what's going to happen."
Why? Because the imam wants to filter.
>> That's right. Because those people who
become a ma on the day of ash that level
when says even
all of the ever and now till this day
they're all remembered and they will
forever be remembered in history the
imam didn't want anyone to achieve that
status he wanted specific people to
achieve it
>> they he cleans it he cleansed them
throughout the journey. That is why if
you recite this those books and I
recommend for everyone
>> to get a copy of it. I mentioned this I
think three years ago in London the
sayings of Imam Hussein from Medina
tobalah if you want to read of course
the Arabic Hussein
it's the same translation of
>> it's interesting the far one is Hussein
as Medina beautiful
>> as I was mentioning the saying of course
the leader and then the I need to have
the greatest companions
>> and then I need media release I don't
have internet social media
>> and we know how important that is
But he had Lady Zena.
>> Yeah, she was. Yeah. The media
>> I think I think Benny the made it the
biggest mistake of the lifetime and that
was the end of them
they took her and they paraded them
captive from one town to the next.
>> That is why it's mentioned more than 30
30 um villages and cities. They were so
they didn't go straight to Kuf. They
don't go straight.
>> They wanted to go the longer route.
>> The longer.
>> There was a shorter route. No, they
decided to take the long one
>> to to show them off. You know, this is
our victory. We are one. Yeah. But she
goes everywhere and she spreads the message.
message.
She finishes them off. As I mentioned,
and this is very good if you um if we
can mention this. Her role starts on the
day of and ends
>> when goes on the That's it. You don't
hear anything from
>> you don't see her talking anymore
because I'm here protecting you. I'm
here hold on to that you know message
spread it out.
>> But the imam of my time he talks.
but it's like when you have a change in
government and there's a caretaker. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> It's just it's an emergency period. is a
caretaker person who just runs things
for a temporary basis until the next
person comes. That's exactly the role
that I would I would describe for her is
that she was literally the caretaker.
The imam obviously the state that he was
in um if you read on you know how sick
he was it was really intense. It was
really bad
>> um that he couldn't even stand up. And
so she literally filled that role and
and who better to fill that role than
say there's any and then that takes us
back to the the males and females in
Islam because that's another thing where
um the misconception that in Islam women
are marginalized
women are you know not given a role in
society and you find that before say zan
made that that stand in those speeches
her mother also made a
>> she went to the mosque of Allah and she
stood on the podium and she delivered a
lecture exactly describing that you know
how her right was usurped. So you find
that the ultimate role model
for women today
>> is s because the hijab
>> who has better hijab than say
the ultimate level of hijab
through all calamities that she
witnessed yet she was still strong yet
she still had a role a very important
role which is the media role which is to
deliver the message because that
sacrifice of Abdah Hussein the ultimate
sacrifice the grandson of Allah and all
of the other and everything that was
given had there not been someone like Zam
Zam
and immed but importantly that that
period where they went to Kufa and then
they went to Sham had say not been there
and not had that role then there is a
chance that we can say that that
sacrifice and the true message behind
that sacrifice would have been lost.
>> That's right. So she carried the weight
of all of that responsibility to deliver
that message. So 100% in Islam there's
plenty of role models for women. And I
think something that I mentioned, I
think I had a full lecture a couple of
years ago about
Allahh says he's given example to the
believers the wife of
>> that's right
>> and and you know what she did and it
also goes back to patience. It goes back
to how she was living with and how she
was patient and then she stood up to him
and then how she was killed and whatnot. So
So >> tortured
>> tortured
>> tortured in the most extreme way and
then the Quran actually describes it
specifically exactly how she was tortured.
tortured.
There's plenty of role models um in
Islam. And then going back to she's not
just a role model for the woman,
>> she's a role model for the man because
in this day and age and the difficulties
that we face, I feel like patience is
something we all can get a bit more of.
>> Oh yeah. Patience. I think
>> inflation, rise, the rising cost of
living, the politics, you know, that's
going on everywhere. Um all the
hardships that we're dealing with. I
think right now the best or the most important
important
>> we don't tolerate anything these days
you know you know that you see the young
men and women out there uh the teenagers
and even older and even younger
>> across the board because everything is
quick these days on social media if I go >> instant
>> instant
and everything is 2 seconds 10 seconds
ah it works straight away
>> we want everything to be
>> done quickly fast fast we don't have
patience for small things what about
when it comes to big things and I have
to deal with
>> adult stuff you know I financially >> marriage
>> marriage
>> yeah I I don't have anything you know
someone gets financially ruined you know
he loses everything that he really truly
have patience because it's not about
patience I have sabar
>> how many people have died say yeah they
commit suicide
>> over financial loss like a massive
financial loss heart attack and they die literally
literally
>> yeah but that's the thing subhan allah
when it comes to lady zab it's not
She had the subur she was you know
because some people they think patience
means I stand you know still and be
silent and I say okay happen I have the
content and I say you know
>> it's that I move forward
>> I I have patience
>> I accept what Allah has written for me
and then what I do is I move forward
that's why mom Hussein told all of them
Hussein there is a beautiful Beautiful.
I think it it was the Yes. The last time
he spoke to his uh family, it was just
him and them,
>> the ladies and he said to them,
>> be patient
>> and don't say anything or act do any act
that will be
>> what Allah accepts. You know, be
patient, have modesty, have chastity,
>> you know, observe your hijab.
>> Don't say a word that might because that
word it it just burns down a whole You know,
know,
>> that's it's what you say when when the
mus comes.
>> What do you think of it? Lady Zan, she's
a daughter of Ali.
>> Yeah. Subhan Allah. She's a daughter of
Zah. If you really truly put the the of
>> the only time where two infallibles are
married ever.
>> Ever. Yes.
>> And these are the offspring of those two
infallibles. So
>> nothing should surprise us really. But
Lady Zanab, she really showed us she has
the eloquency
>> of her father.
>> She has the the knowledge and the the
forbearance of
>> or and the wisdom of her mother Zah
>> and she lived
>> longer than her. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> She adored she saw more messiah than Zah.
Zah. >> Definitely.
>> Definitely.
>> But when when it's embedded in you and
when I say that someone might say, you
know, that's it.
It's the mother. My mother is not fat.
My father is not Ali. Then why do you
want me to be? No, it's not that. She
saw it with her eyes.
>> When she goes on and on saying praising
Allah subhana wa ta'ala, I immed
>> the night of
>> the the 11th the night the night of he
calls her. She doesn't reply
>> and then and then she says yes what do
you want oh dear one
see the see see the beautiful
>> words that comes out of this mouth this
beautiful beautiful beautiful character
this beautiful individual she says
the remainder of my family because
everyone was killed
>> and he says why you don't answer me she
says I'm praying
>> I'm pray who does that I lose my father
my mother I have the
I have that push that don't pray today,
you know, >> yeah,
>> yeah,
>> you have a day off.
>> It's a tough It's a tough time.
>> It's a tough time.
>> And for those people that say, "Well,
I'm not an infallible
that when it comes to role models,
you're not meant to be exactly the same
as them, but they're meant to be the
high standard and the high bar that you
have that you're trying to achieve or
trying to to imitate them and trying to
be like them. Obviously, you're not
going to be exactly like them, but even
if you have 1% or 2% of what they were
or what they achieved or how they acted,
that's good enough because they are the
perfect examples. And also, we do have
examples who aren't infallibles.
>> That's right.
>> And that's the beauty of our religion.
If you want to go down that route, then
yes, we have men and women who were not
infallibles who achieved extremely high
statuses. And when it comes to the
woman, you have the likes of Omulin.
She was not an infallible. She was not
from the family of Allah. And I know I'm
going a bit off topic, but
>> No, no, it's okay.
>> She became
that no Shia household does not read
when you're leaving on a long trip, when
you've forgotten something, when you've
lost something, when someone's sick,
>> you read.
She wasn't infallible. But the way that
she lived her life, the way that she was raised,
raised,
>> the way that her family were, she was
destined for greatness. And then she the
way she acted
>> and the way she dealt and took care of
the Imam Hassan and Hussein and and say
Zab. So she was like a second
>> she wasn't really a second mother in a
sense because the age wasn't really like
she wasn't a lot older than but she took
care of them in the way that she was
literally like a mother to them. She
called her.
Exactly. Even though they're similar in
age. Actually,
>> a lot of people don't know that. A lot
of people assume that
>> there were children when they
were actually very close in age, but she
took on that role to that degree where
she said, "I wouldn't enter this
household." Which woman gets married to
a man and and stands at the door and
says, "I'm not entering the door unless
you and your children accept me as a
slave, as a servant in your household." So
So
her having that humility and that
doesn't come from any from nowhere that
comes from her being raised in a family.
It's a very long story and I've actually
heard it from one of Saji's lectures
>> about Benin um and her father's dream.
I'm not sure if you've heard the story
but her father had a dream
>> of a of a jewel that he finds her father
was a businessman. It's a very
interesting story. I love it. His father
her father was a businessman and he
would travel with people like a long
distance away very rich man and he had a
dream that he he had a jewel in the
middle of the desert and the man comes
on a horse and says sell me that jewel
he says to him I don't know what it's
worth he says sell it to me or give it
to me and I will make sure that um one
of the greatest men ever um will one day
you'll be related to you or have a
connection to him and so you know that
whole story comes comes back and then
she has a dream when um comes to their
house. She has a dream
>> of the moons
>> and she says to her mom, "Oh mother, I'm
I had a dream." Exactly. The moon and
the stars come in my lap.
>> Subhan Allah. So she wasn't infallible.
She wasn't from an infallible family. Yet
Yet
>> she achieved that level of grace.
>> Our exactly if you look at the story of
one of the
>> he came all the way from >> Kabul.
>> Kabul.
>> He had no money.
>> Yeah. very poor from Afghanistan Kabul
all the way from Kabul Afghanistan to Ashra.
Ashra. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> To study. He came there very hot day. He
reached Kajaf. He had no money for for
you know room for him to rent for some
food or anything like that. So he went
to where? He went to Wadis Salam. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> He said I go to Wadis Salam. I find some
shelter. It's very hot. I you know sleep
under the shelter. I stay there. And he
went there this
one of the biggest I mention his name in
a bit.
>> Uh and he became very thirsty. Yeah.
>> Very thirsty.
>> He became very thirsty. He saw there is
a stream of water. He drank from it.
>> When he finished drinking from it, he
found out that this water is from uh
washing the dead bodies.
>> Yeah. So he went to this im
and he said yeah I came from Afghanistan
because
subpatient is not one thing it's it's
quite a bit of couple of things yeah
it's all of that now can you become a
doctor a cardiologist if you don't have patience
patience
>> no absolutely not it's not going to
happen overnight you have to
>> be a surgeon maybe Yeah, you need to
study day and night. You have to really
put your life out.
>> Oh, 100%.
>> Yeah, it takes a lot of time. uh that he
said I came all of this way and I but
this drinking from a water that they
used to wash bodies this is hard for me
you know I can't continue like that but
he still had sor he has patience that uh
subhan allah the same day a person came
to him and he said to him are you mud alani
alani
>> he said yes I'm mudani
>> he said have you come from kabul from
Afghanistan he said yes he said my uh
master has sent me. Who's your master?
Say Abdul Hassan Alvahani
>> and he said come come with me. I took
you he took him to Abassani one of the
maraj of his time and he became alani.
Even today if you go to if you wanted to
study you go through his books
>> the patience of they went through
patience. Even if you go read the
history of many of the wealthy people
they went through patience. It took them
time to get what whatever they got to.
>> You can't achieve greatness without patience.
patience.
>> And sometimes you look at people and
like there is no way that I could do
that. That as you mentioned for example
doctors and and specialists and those
who get into these really specialized fields,
fields,
15 years of study and then another five
years of placement like 20 years of your
life to then have the chance. It's still
a possibility. Maybe you'll make it in
and get a position or maybe you won't.
That takes a lot of patience
>> and social life. You don't have any
>> no social life. I know I know a few of
them that are not even married. They're
married to the job. I told them you're
married to the job.
>> That's it.
>> Cuz they're there, you know, 5:00 a.m.
in the morning and they're the last one
to leave the hospital like 10 11:00 at night.
night.
>> Yeah. So, uh, just saying that, and
correct me if I'm wrong, can someone say
why has he achieved this and I haven't
and the other person is sleeping on Nul.
>> No, exactly.
>> Well, you're not doing what he's doing.
He's he has put forward everything
>> and then we put the blame on God.
>> Yeah. Allah Allah why is that person so
successful and why is that person a
doctor and why is that person you know
in this position in life even when it
comes to religion sometimes oh Allah why
is that person you know really religious
and then the blame is always on the
person like have you put in the effort
have you tried to achieve what that
person's achieved and at the same time
you don't know what that person's been
through or how hard it is for that
person to achieve what they achieved
regardless of what it is whether it's
academic or you know financial law or in
religion. So
patience is is extremely important.
>> Very very important. Lady Zab, she truly
showed us the true meaning of patience,
the definition of patience
>> and moving forward and uh she turned
a victory for the into a loss.
>> Yeah. A physical victory.
>> A physical victory. Yeah. She made them
realize he didn't win anything.
>> Well, that was the their end. That was
the end of
How come was
>> they they ruled for 298 years. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Lady Zab she Lady Za was she did her
role so well
>> that came to a point that
>> Iban Ziad is pointing to Yazid. Yazid is
pointing to Zad blaming each other. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. That you were theame blame game.
You the one killed him. I didn't kill him.
him.
>> I don't know. Yeah. But uh this is of
course from a daughter of
I think if the more we read into her
life the more we understand a true a
true great character that and of course
>> it's definitely we're definitely lacking
in that regard because it's not like a
one lecture or one session where the
life of sab and the and what she
achieved and what she did and the
importance and the lessons that you
learn. I think you can spend a very very
long time just extracting lessons from
her whole life from the beginning of her
life up until her very last days. And I
think correct me if I'm wrong but say
Dean in terms of her death there are
some narrations or some opinions that
she was martyed that she was killed
because she was given poison. Yeah.
>> Because of that because of her her
message that she kept spreading
>> throughout her life about what happened
wherever she went. um the maj call if
you can call it that was alive and and
well and then they had to kill kill her
they had to
>> the revolution of zena wasn't a
revolution of sword it was the
revolution of tears
>> and you know how it is
>> tears and words which can be a lot more
powerful than the swords
>> you've done a lot of lectures you know
because if we the the way that you
change a person's personality and you
cleanse them is through the tears for
Imam Hussein
>> oh yeah
that you get someone to cry
>> and someone cries
>> that means to if you can't cry
>> pretend to cry
>> pretend to cry
>> and that's the only time where you find
some of these narrations it's only when
it's related to
she started this revolution to appoint
the governor of Medina he rise to I
think it was Marwan Hakim Mhm.
>> He says to him, "If you want anything
from Medina, anything from Medina, you
have to get this woman out of Medina.
>> Get her out."
>> Now, when it comes to where she was
poisoned because I have my own >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. where she was poisoned and then
later on where she was
>> where she was buried. There's also a lot
of debate about that.
>> A lot of debate. The one the one that we know
know
>> Egypt or Syria or
>> Yeah. The one we know is the
is the some people say in Medina.
>> Medina. She actually died and she was
buried in Medina.
>> And of course when the history
>> some say Egypt
>> some say Egypt. Yeah that's right.
>> Probably we generations. Yeah.
>> Uh because your history books as you
know it's not written by us.
>> It's written by them
>> and we we get as much as possible from
uh that we can they burnt a lot of our
books. A lot of our books were thrown
into the Nile River.
>> A lot of our books were thrown in the in
the Euphrates
>> all through
some of the people of Yemen. I have a
friend in Yemen. He said to me that in
some villages in Yemen because you know
they are zadis the the Yeah. He says
that you go to these houses very old houses
houses
>> they have books that are calligraphies
and the book is not in a in a proper
library it's actually made to be a
stairway into another level the second
level. So uh and I asked the person who
is living there I said did you read
these books? You know who these books
are? He says no they you know they've
been here for hundreds of years. So we
have a lot of our toath unfortunately
our heritage was stolen, burnt. Yeah,
>> exactly. Because we were It's funny
because the imams, not one of them
actually tried to get into power yet
they were all martyed. They were all
killed because they were seen as a
threat. Why? Because they were the rightful
rightful >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> leaders. They should have been the
leaders. So they were a threat just by
existing. In fact, how many alawis?
Thousands and hundreds and thousands of
them were murdered and and killed just
because of that relation to
just by having the name of Ali were
killed. So of course history is going to
give me all the I'm going to burn them
and then continued because if you have
the ofasool the true hadith whereas
Allah has mentioned many many times
exactly who's going to be after him is
going to be after him and the imams
after him. So of course they're going to
distort history. In fact, not just
getting rid of it. Let them get rid of
it. They actually just remove the How
many hadith have you heard from the
other side where we know it's a hadith
about Im Ali? They just remove Ali's
name and add
>> someone else's
>> some ABC from the Subhan Allah. When you
go through it, you can tell >> doesn't
>> doesn't
this one is not
>> doesn't suit. It doesn't suit because I
know how this this person rolls. I know
how he talks. It never ever this is from them.
them.
>> It's it's I don't know how they think.
It's crazy. I have a friend who
mentioned that on YouTube he was
scrolling and he found the anime for >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> And
>> And
no no because he he thought um the way
they they worded the title he thought it
was about that's that's why it was
relative. I forgot exactly what the the
phrase that they used
or something like like one of those you
know the titles and he opened like oh
this is about and they covered his face
>> like just nor just light because you
know you can't see
>> it's unbelievable that it's
Allah gave them that Allah gave them
this status it's not you or I or anyone
else's that can decide yes no this is
them you know it's not you either get on
this ship, this ark, and you benefit
from them, or you want to be on another
one, it's up to you because it's your
loss. You're not going to gain anything
if you don't carry on and you believe in
the right people. That's why he said
Exactly. And what does it mean? Yes.
>> What does that mean? in the city of
>> But he didn't say so you see them
they're coming you say okay yes he said
the gate but others are the doors and
then the others are the windows and the
sewage system
>> tunnels underground tunnels
>> and you can you can get to this city
from other you can't one there's only
one door
>> yes and that city of knowledge
encompasses everything you know today we
have you know medical city or you know
whatever you call it like Medina for example
example >> yes
>> yes
>> has everything or every single type of
specialty, every single hospital, every
single treatment facility,
everything related to medicine is in
that city. So when Allah says
all of knowledge is within Allah
and the only way that you can get to
that knowledge, the true knowledge even
the Quran, even the actual true meaning
of the Quran is through.
And yet you find that um he was not
given his rightful place till this date.
>> No. No. Of course throughout history
you've seen it. You seen that
there are the ones who oppose the great
characters. That's not just a m
>> they don't want this person or that
person or that person. I don't want him.
I don't want her. I want I choose the
person I want. Even with Allahool Allah
when he announced his propheththood
people of Quraysh they said no
>> the Jews they were living in Medina when
the prophet said I'm the prophet I'm the
last messenger he said no
>> you're the you're one of the descendants
of is
>> we came all the way from all over the
world to get here in Medina and I don't
want to say from
yeah we came here for the last prophet
to be one of the descendants of Isaac Ham
Ham
But you no we don't accept that
Allah tells you who you should follow.
It's not your choice to say no I don't
want that. Even when he came to Adam
he said no no no that's not going to
happen because I'm greater than him.
>> I'm greater than him because you created
me from fire and you created him from
clay or whatever it is.
Yeah, he's not someone that I'm going to
follow that but the M because they understand
understand
>> they know you ac you follow what Allah
tells you to follow
>> you don't worship Allah how you want to worship
worship
>> no you do do that but when of course
he's a of the greatest of the Allah
after the prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam
is the the second greatest human being
Allah created Now you have an issue with
him. You don't love him. And you say
Abuakarman or whatever.
I had the other day one of the the the
so-called he start he was screaming into
the mic
>> and the beard was everywhere and he was
saying that
>> um yes the father-in-law is definitely
greater than son-in-law. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And I was okay because Abu Bakr is the father-in-law.
father-in-law.
>> Father-in-law. Yeah. Omar is a father-in-law.
father-in-law.
>> Greater than son-in-law.
>> Yes. Greater than son-in-law. And that
is who
>> al is a son-in-law of the why? How how
are you measuring?
>> Where is the relevance there? Like
father-in-law versus son-in-law. Like
that's that's when you have nothing.
See, when you've got nothing with your
argument, you just start grasping at
straws as they say.
>> All right, let's see who's closer
father-in-law or son-in-law or
son-in-law. And the they tell you of
it's it's
list I don't want to go through many of
them but the soal you know
>> there's none
>> the cleanest sword in the history of
Islam is a sword of
he's never killed anyone naming one
person that he's literally the safer of
who was defending
>> it broke off and they get they brought
him from the heavens
>> and then comes down and says
>> Get me any of the companions
>> with all due respect to all of them
>> and I love all of them. I adore them
except for some
>> No, this is from their history books.
It's all from the history. Get me any of
the companions of the prophet sallallahu
alaihi wasallam. They have one page of
sorry half a page.
>> Not even one sentence.
>> Not even one sentence. The one I
Such a small words but the meaning
>> simple. So such a big meaning >> meaning
>> meaning
that you take is your step towards your
end. every breath that you take.
>> And then when it comes to other ones, uh
if you remember a couple of years ago, I
was going through the letter of imbal to im
im
>> the and I went through it in different
in the mo
and then one day I sat down not even
have a page. I haven't done anything and
I I'm not someone who's I'm just a
teacher. I'm just a student. Yes. And I
was thinking
>> this one needs years.
>> Yeah. And where did you get the time?
Like the imam is in battle. He's it's
subhan Allah. Like
>> and and for the imam, he's just writing
it. You know, I finished with I'm going
to I'm going to back to Kufa. Let me
write a letter. You know, it's like
someone just writing something a message
on WhatsApp. And I im just writing it down.
down.
>> Yeah. I remember one of the I was I
didn't know what you know the hardest
thing is choosing the lecture topics. Yeah,
Yeah,
>> I think I did like 10 nights, 10
lectures from one sentence from that was of
of
>> to his im which is obviously was for
everyone but the imam addresses it to Im Hassan.
Hassan.
>> Literally one sentence
like literally 10 pieces of advice that
he gave them gave him in one sentence I
did 10 lectures on it.
>> The one that he says it's coming back to me.
me. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Like
there's a there's a few of them, but
literally like that's one sentence from
>> Look at that. That's amazing. >> Amazing.
>> Amazing.
We going to
>> enliven your heart. Yeah.
>> Your heart will die eventually if you
don't do that.
>> That's why you need to listen to
Subhan Allah. The the ocean
>> and when it comes to Z then Yeah. It's
just And so yeah, on the other side,
what do you have? You've got nothing.
There's no knowledge. Is there a book?
Is there is there one chapter written?
Is there any bravery in war? Is there
any achievements? Is there anything that
you've done? Nothing.
His achievement was that with Malik.
Malik.
That's his achievement. You don't know
that story. Search that story. That's a
criminal. What did he do? And even the
futad that happened the so-called futad
they weren't real Islam because if they
were real Islam the Islam would have
remained when you open the andalus and
you you take over all most of Europe
>> becomes Muslim and then
once you are defeated where I don't know
like 50 or 100 years later
Islam is gone removed
>> the golden age of of Islam they call it
and they give it the credit to
chasing Abbas they give the credit to
Abbas if you look at The golden age of
Islam is actually imbar.
imbar. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> I
>> I
im algebra which just one of them
algebra. The other day I was on Tik Tok
uh and I saw this they were talking oh
one of the people I think it was uh
George Galloway he said that when we
were in Europe in dark ages
>> the Muslims
>> they invented algebra
>> and it's very nice and he said actually
what he said was different he said what
he he was in Harvard Harvard University
and he said one one of the professors
they came to him and he said we need to
educate the Iraqis
>> and he said the day the the Europeans
Ians were living in the dark ages. The
Iraqis, they invented algebra. >> Algebra.
>> Algebra.
>> Uh algebra was invented not by the
and this is from Bam.
But of course again history is not
written by us. So they give credit to
the people that they want to give credit
to. Uh but if you look deep down you see
that loom
>> in every aspect of life
>> every aspect of life science medicine
the technology that we have today
astrophysics you know the planets everything
it's amazing what they have they have
they have given us
>> and for us I especially the ones living
in the west if we continue to research
one and then spread out
what we learned on social media because
today you have a phone. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You don't have you don't need a pulpit.
You don't need to have a a member uh or
lecture hall or anything like that. Your
phone is that >> 100%.
>> 100%.
>> And if you can spread that continuously,
you spread the knowledge of the the
hadith of the prophet im AliM Hass
Hussein. There's a about that if people
hear um our attributes or our good
attributes then they will follow us
that's exactly
>> it just do that nothing else
>> teach people about you know our good
attributes they will follow us that's
all you need to do you don't need to
force them we don't force people we
don't do anything we just teach people
about the beauty of it >> exactly
>> exactly
>> there is no need to force them to know
about uh religion or about the the
knowledge of B just if you spread it out
in a beautiful manner
>> that it's out there that if you want to
learn that it's available in different
media um because if you can't read a
book a lot of people these this day and
age will not read a book
>> unfortunately they might listen to a
podcast they might watch a video on
YouTube which is why this is a great
channel what you've done here it's
amazing especially for our community
here. It's because, you know, I was
watching I'm I'm keeping up with most of
the episodes, but some beautiful
episodes have come out lately. I love
the one about the with the clinical
psychologist. Yes,
>> that was very eye opening. Very very
nice episode.
>> Yeah, that was a great great one,
>> which is an area where we're really
lacking in the community and I've been
trying to bring up every maharam, you
know, mental health issues and whatnot
because it is seriously lacking
>> in our society. And we have
alhamdulillah we have so much
knowledgeable people in our community
>> in Sydney and that that's one of the
reasons if you remember that when we
established this place we said
>> we have so many scholars and
knowledgeable people doctors and
professors and engineers and so on and
so on
>> that we want to shed light on them want
to learn from them
>> uh one of them is the clinical
psychologist and Dr.
Kufi, God bless him. He's part of the
channel now.
>> And he's doing an amazing job. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Two days ago, we just um recorded an
episode, Dr. Kar and Muhammad.
>> Uh inshallah, it's going to be a series
of podcasts about Immad. >> Beautiful.
>> Beautiful.
>> Yes. Very nice.
>> In will come out in Shaan.
>> It's already edited and everything.
>> Yeah. uh but we want to get it out in
shabban time in the time of im birth of
the Imam 15th of Shabban. So it's very
important and we ask everyone to give us
whatever they think any ideas any comments
comments
>> any any topic doesn't have to be related
to to religion per se but any topic
you'd like to hear about
>> any experts I think we've had you've had
financial experts talking about
investment we've had medical experts
>> bus bank
>> um but yeah any topic anything you'd
like to hear about I think another me
personally another important topic
>> to bring people um is when it It's
related to raising children,
>> those who are experts because I feel
like that's an area we might all be
lacking in is how to deal with children
at different ages.
>> That's right.
>> From birth, let's say not birth, from
one year old to 2-year-old to
three-year-old because, you know, I have
a I have a six-year-old and a
one-year-old and it's very difficult
sometimes because they're different.
They're different stages
>> um different personalities like you you
have children say,
>> I'm sure you've noticed each one has a
different personality. Each one has a
different way that you need to
>> you see my bed is
>> Yeah, me too.
>> That's that that for me personally
that's that's something that I'd love to
hear and see.
>> Yeah, if you have a suggestion who
should be on the panel will be
definitely host them.
>> Uh we had some ideas that we get um some
female podcast as well
>> but we haven't found a good host to host them.
them.
>> So if anyone would like to feels they're
they're able and they're they're
comfortable doing so they can apply. Yes,
Yes,
>> directly social media,
>> social media on YouTube. They can mostly
on Instagram, we on Tik Tok as well.
We're getting big big views from Tik Tok
>> uh that we want to do that because it's
a needed platform.
>> Sisters definitely
>> now podcast is the number one thing that
you a lot of people they benefiting
from. The other day I was at your
program. I wanted to come and see it at
Shabbad Aladir youth. uh before you came
the Shabbab the boys were there talking
to me and all of them
>> they said we listen to a 2 hour 40
minute of your podcast
>> but for a lecture it's very hard for us
to focus and sit down because it's one-sided
one-sided >> exactly
>> exactly
>> even though a lecture stays in it place
and we love that
>> but um a podcast because it's one given
one taking and it's a conversation
>> so I got into podcasts I was at a
previous job and we had these
performance coaches. >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Where they would bring them and they
would have one-on-one sessions. So they
asked they asked me about, you know, my
work and what was happening. So I said,
you know, this is what I do. And I I
drive long hours. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> And so I still remember the coach was
like, "So what do you do? Like you're
driving from Sydney to Newcastle. It's 2
hours and a half. What do you do in the
car?" I was like, "I drive." He's like,
"So you don't listen to anything?" I was
like, "Oh, not not really." like you
know sometimes listen to Quran or we
listen to you know maybe I'm not but
they told me about podcasts and there's
podcasts for everything
>> whatever you want to learn whatever you
want to grow in and so I I am never in
the car without listening to podcast
>> and so and I'm always learning and I
learn so much like especially in when it
comes to science and the human body and
things like that it's amazing but then
again now that we have you know these
beautiful podcasts and discussions from
our TV available on all the platforms on
Spotify and all of the wherever you get
your podcast from as they say. >> Yes.
>> Yes. >> Um
>> Um
>> you're in the car, you've got an hour
drive, put something on that you can
benefit from.
>> It's a it's a beauty. Actually, before I
got into starting our own, you know,
studios here
>> um last year. We started last year, September.
September. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's been now uh Yeah, it's been a
year and we have 40,620
>> subscribers on YouTube alone.
>> Amazing. and of course other ones. But
before that, before I uh you know asked
you know spoke with other Shabb from the
you know the production team here and
everyone got involved. Alhamdulillah.
And we have a great team. Alhamdulillah.
We have a great team.
>> We have a great team here.
>> Our editors are in London. They're doing
an amazing job.
>> Amazing. Beautiful job.
>> And I do give them a hard time.
>> I'm sure you did.
>> Yeah. I did because we want some high
quality. We want high quality. It's
going to stay there for years and years.
Everyone is going to have a look at it.
I was listening to Joe Rogan without a stop.
stop.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And he goes on for like
three hours. It keeps you engaged the
whole time.
>> Yeah. The first one I listened to Joe
Rogan I still remember was from uh I had
a trip from Camel Town
>> to CRA. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I had a program uh
just in CRA
>> uh going there finishing the same night
coming back
>> and I got upset that I didn't finish it
because it was 2 hours and it was 3 hours.
hours.
>> Do you ever stay in the car when you get
home just to finish? want to finish. I
wanted to finish it. It was actually by
one of it was Joe Rogan with uh with one
of the people he he regularly brings
>> who is um he goes to Amazon and he has a
lot of adventures in Amazon you know uh
tribes there anacondas and and
>> there's no contact tribes.
>> No contact tribes. That's right. And
when I listened to that, I said, "This
is amazing because he's talking and Joe
Rogan has his own style, you know." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The way he talks and the way he says, "Wow."
"Wow."
>> Yeah. Yeah. Gives you
>> gives you, you know,
>> Oh, you definitely need a voice for for
podcasting, I feel like. Um, >> yeah.
>> yeah.
>> One of my favorite podcasts now that
you've brought up Joe Rogan is Huberman
Huberman Labs. This guy is a neuro
>> scientist like expert in the in the
brain and how the brain functions and so
he's got an episode about everything,
>> how to maintain your health, your mental
health, your physical health and he
brings on he brings on experts and he
has you know two-hour discussion and
keeps you engaged for two hours speaking
about it. So you learn a lot about your
body and about science. But
>> that's the amazing thing about it because
because
>> on YouTube you have so many videos that
not good. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> They go for hours and hours. cuz you're
not going to benefit anything from them.
>> And you have these videos.
>> I feel like you focus more I don't know,
maybe it's just a personal thing. You
focus more when you're just listening
>> then when you're watching a video and
there's so much going on and whatnot.
But you're driving, you're focusing on
your driving, but then you're just
listening to something.
>> You're listening to something. Yeah.
>> And it's it's a amazing thing about
YouTube and even Spotify that you find
this amazing amazing channels that they
benefit for you and you learn so much
from them for free. and it's for free
>> and they and I feel like when someone is
doing a podcast
>> uh the expert that comes there he says a
lot of things that he doesn't say other places
places >> because
>> because
>> it's a it's a different media like it's
it's a different it's a it's a chat
>> and when you're having a chat like we're
having a chat now
>> you're forced to kind of speak about
things that when you're just there to
deliver a lecture on this topic
>> all right I'm going to speak for 30
minutes 40 minutes 1 hour about this
topic and I'm confined end in that
topic. Whereas when you're having a
chat, we can jump from one topic to the
other. You can remember something and
just bring it up and talk about it. And
that's where you get those little
pockets of gold. Yes.
>> Um hidden, you know, pieces of
information or knowledge that you
otherwise would not have heard from
those. It
>> it should be uns unscripted. It
shouldn't be a discussion. You say,
"This is what we're going to talk about."
about."
>> Yeah, definitely.
>> We just w it like we just did today. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> What we going to talk about? We're just
going to talk.
>> Yeah. Exactly. We're not going to talk
about anything specific but because
that's a beauty beauty I think of the of
the human uh the way we socialize that
the brain when it feels comfortable it
just kepts going from one thing to the
like ping pong we just playing all right
you know what this this this
>> surprise you have so much to talk about
so much information so much things out there
there
>> um it's been an amazing chat
>> beautiful as always um I hope hopefully
our viewers and our listeners on the
podcast have benefited something from
this episode and inshallah we'll see you
again on another episode of Alwasi TV.
Make sure you subscribe across all
platforms, social media and all the
podcasts, Spotify and whatnot. And
inshallah we'll see you in another
episode inshallah by next week on
>> because we do want to do a lot of ones
and we looking forward for the month of Ramadan.
Ramadan. >> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> As well in Ramadan. There's plenty of events
events
>> now. Shabban we have our own. We're
doing a lot for Ramadan because we
>> Ramadan vibes is it?
>> Yes. Ramadan if you remember last year
you were a big part of it. We did 30 episodes
episodes
>> for every night we did. So
>> uh inshallah we do the same thing this
year. We have them ready to go and of
course whatever suggestions our dear
viewers and listeners they have by all
means uh contact us put it there. Uh we
want to do as much as possible for the
community. We want to benefit in we want
to help out and don't forget to listen
to coffee with the say ones
>> the most important ones coffee with the say
say
>> yeah and inshallah we see how it goes in
>> it was great uh one of many inshallah
>> beautiful with you and it was a
beautiful discussion
>> always beautiful always beautiful thank
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