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some aliens are watching us too.

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bit combined and then

flowed out into the earth. And

before we start ranting too much,

we've been saying for a long time that

the new generation

of Grufboxes will come at some point. wasn't Elektron with the

new Octa Track, which we've been talking about for what

feels like the

last five years, or no, how

long have we been around? 6 years soon. Um, so yes

, no, but there's finally

news from the Akai camp, with

a lot more power and the whole thing is

called MPC Live. 3 and uh,

the hard drives right up front.

The CPU is

four times more powerful than the MPC Live 2. We

now have an 8 core processor, 8 GB RAM, 128

128

GB internal storage, and finally a

sequencer lane on top. We have

a lot more buttons. The buttons,

well, nonsense, the pads can

now also use a kind of 3D

sensor technology, what exactly that means

, whether that is Multi Polyponer After Touch

or whether it is actually MPE-like

, we don't yet know for sure.

We'll see that when it's released.

I know that this thing has been

in development for quite some time

, but MPC Live has

developed really well over the years, now in its third version. I have the

Force, so I'm

a bit keen to get hold of it, because the Force

Force

is a bit too bulky for me to take around with me, right? MPC One

is somehow too cheap for me. But

before I

what do you think about that?

Yes, well, first of all, I think it's great

that there are more buttons, because I thought

that was the case with the first Live too. I

tested it back then when it was brand new

and the first thing a lot of people

said was, isn't it kind of like an

iPad? So ultimately

no. Um, so this is now a

bit more in the direction of how you

want it or would rather have it.

I am skeptical about two things.

I would like to see what it

looks like then. Not skeptical, because it's a

cool machine, but it's the one with the

fewest buttons so far, the Live

only, the others were a

bit more accessible and there's

now the step sequencer up there,

because there are colorful

step setters. This might be

dangerous for color blind people, but it

might be interesting for different modes

, like what a step sequence

thing looks like. So far,

the NPCs have been rather monophonic, strangely enough, they

really only went for the Red for a very

short time. Um, you can make yourself a

little louder and, um,

even louder. OK.

Yes, give it to me. OK.

OK.

And um,

wow, I was really, really,

really loud. But I could also take a

closer look. That's good. Yes, that feels better.

better.

OK. Okay, let's do that.

Of course, I don't want to talk too much

about these individual features.

Although we do that anyway,

because of course we do it,

right? But I also found

this feature of the pads interesting. They

are not just pads, but that they

are 3D pressure sensitive, which is basically

similar to something like MPE.

Because what Keith McMillan

did with this little Kneexus, so to speak, to

build a pier under the keys and then to

check the four cardinal directions,

that will probably work here too.

Or by the way, they have a

League, which is not an

official release yet. So there is

no official data. We're

just going to speculate about

this thing. I would say that the

MPC from 3 runs perfectly fine here. that

under the hood

everything is more or less the same as it

was and that the successors also

come with what the hardware allows, that

they simply continue to run and that

here you simply get more performance in terms of hardware

. Uh, storage is

nice for me. It's definitely more than the

standard before, right? So, I can

reveal it again here. 8 GB RAM

and 128 GB external or internal storage.

What is also important to know, very

briefly, I will make a

small point about the pads. Maybe

you either

copied it or bought the

technology from the Mue, namely what

the Norand Mono 2 or A Touch had back then.

They basically also

developed these MPE buttons, especially the

Madie one.

Maybe that's actually the case

, so that you can then also

have MPT MPE-capable buttons. Back to the

hardware and features. What I

also saw is that,

among other things, you can stream up to 24

audio tracks - I don't know whether they

are 12 stereo tracks or 24

mono tracks - directly into the DW

. That means,

or maybe even back, but

that is really

electronic, there is no other way to

say it. Um, Akai has also worked closely with Etenon very often

and over a long period of time

. After all,

the first Push was also made by Akai back then and

and

I still have it. If anyone wants one, it

's still available for a small one.

No, but yes, that's how it is.

Yes, the MPC One MPC One. Um,

Push 1, that was really cool.

I thought that one was really great too. Um,

Um,

but if the power

is that crazy, right? That actually blows

everything that's currently on the market out of the water

, right? Push 3 does

n't come close, right? MC Plus does

n't either. Um, and the biggest point of criticism

for me was actually always

the hall stories, for example. I

always wanted to have a proper heal in

the platform. It never

really existed. There is one now that

is actually quite funny. I

just forgot the name. Um,

it's more of a creative thing, but

not something that

creates nice, big, Big Skymä-like reverbs, that was somehow

missing. So really good

high speeds and for that you simply need

more computing power.

Up until now it was like that, for example, like

the first generation, which

also included the Force Field. They only had 2

GB of RAM. The

second generation already had 4

GB of RAM in some cases and now with 8 GB of RAM

you probably not only have

eight plugins at the same time, i.e. sound generators

sound generators

plus all the sample-based things

like keygroups and other

things, but

probably a lot more power

in there and they have also

really expanded in terms of plugins.

Maybe you should think about how

much four times faster is. It's

kind of like

if you go from the M1 to an M5 M4

or something like that. So that's

a lot more power. Just leave it like that,

because then the device is still a

bit, well, I would be being funny here,

because we are also focusing on very different

things, because we are

looking at completely different things.

For me it's mostly about

playing, transposing. I have

this slider there, it's

assignable. That's already good. I

hope that you can also put transpose on it

, because that is a

weakness of the MPC and the only MPC

that I liked was the one with

61 keys, the one that didn't look like a

groofbox at all, because it was

accessible and this

accessibility is exactly what they

basically aimed for with the buttons

. Uh, I hope they are the

right ones. That's it, like the

locators and things like that.

I think that's very, very important for a live performance

. I don't know how you

work with it, because you have the

effects, I would be absolutely

right. Transpose is a good option, especially

when you're playing with pets, so you

can also use a pitch band or something like that. Before, that was

only possible with an external device

, like some mini controller

that you connected, or also, for

example, the crossfader on

the Force.

Up until now, you haven't had this function in this form

as a direct

hardware option in the MPC world;

it was reserved for the Force.

Also, uh, various other things. We

can then

go into the buttons a little bit more above, what

you can see or what is already known

. Um, there are probably

now dedicated buttons for clip

launching, like with push

or a launchpad or things like that

, right? So this

exact one. Or with the Force, they

had that too

and that is really, really cool. Before,

you had to control everything separately using the

pads. Exactly what I just

told you. Um, a lot of things are done via

the Que buttons. You

can also see the Qinks there on

the side. Mhm.

Mhm.

You could, um,

prove it in a very diverse way, even with

the Force. Use

this button up here to

switch between the two. With the big one at

the MPCX there are 16 of them and

then of course you have even more,

right? So you have to do that

and the small displays, these

sripple displays, I thought they were really

good on the Force. They were

very poorly implemented for a long time.

That was good use. I would be

interested to know that, but

but

what's really cool about it

is that you had the opportunity to create your own

shortcuts, so to speak,

where you

could map different things. So

it means that, for example, in your

effects section, what you have

put into the mixer, you

basically have four effects per track plus

the sensing, but I

digress. I'll stick with the

direct effects per track for a moment and then

you could, for example, put

the drive

controls or a drive and I'll go to

distortion and a filter drive and

a distortion drive and a filter

cutoff onto one button and

you could then map that together as a

super button, similar to, let's say,

Yamaha with Montage .

And um, that's of course totally cool with the larger versions

versions

. The only

big question that remains is,

firstly, will we get

a really big MPC again? Mmm. Yeah, awesome.

And um

, just imagine, the

keyboard version is

also a pretty awesome powerhouse,

right? So, if you say there's another

one in the cart. Um,

can you say it again or wait, I

have it here. Yes, the reason I'm doing this

is to show the larger one here

. Here you can see

this setting and here you can

see how it is assigned

on the screen. Uh, maybe you can also

also

make the second one bigger. Exactly, exactly

Exactly, exactly

. Then you can see it quickly

. And this, this

one, is of course pretty cool

on the X, which also has a lot of

MIDI ports and audio and CV, right? C

They've all staggered things a bit

, a bit more, to be a

bit more ready in terms of hardware

. But you can

plug in anything however you want, which

is pretty cool, of course.

Um, but I still think there's one thing that's

important. The Akai Force, which you have,

actually the only or

the biggest difference is

that it has this running light in it, since

that is now in here, it should

actually be done away with and should no

longer have a successor. Or is there

anything running in there. You now have

these clip launching buttons

included. You have an equivalent to the crossfader.

crossfader.

The only thing that's

missing is, um

, mute. So this bar that

you still have for the, uh, arm mute

solo thing. That was always pretty

cool. So like with the push back then, so to speak.

so to speak. Um

and so in my opinion the AK

Force is what the uh uh

Push 3 could have been as a stand-alone game,

if we're honest, if the two

companies had come together in such a way that it would

work properly together. You

can also use the Force as a replacement for Push

and, um,

that's not a bad thing,

but if you put a Force and a Push

next to each other, Mick was

looking for the, um, the Push. I'll

just get the Force for a moment and then

you'll see. You show me that

quickly, I'll quickly get the Force.

Yes, it looks like that. Oh,

there's a lot of space now. Um, yes,

it's generic up there and there's

a display in there and it's smaller than

the one on the MPC in general and then of

course here. They don't light up unless

you turn them on. So,

yeah, and there's the next topic

underneath, but we don't want to

do that now. And uh

plus you've already got it

and uh we have oh, I don't have any

power anymore. Very very clever. I did

n't charge them all the time. It's

hard to see what it's

showing, but it does exactly what you

said. And you have to

, what I mean is, the advantage

here is this MPE feeling, because it's

so smooth and easy to

play and with the strip and so on,

you can get from right to left pretty well

. When sequencing you need

a little bit more time. So, I'll

do it back here and

go out again.

Uh and with the

uh Force uh do you have that handy? Got

these here. I'm just checking to see if I can, uh, wait a minute.

minute. So,

So,

I think that's a mhm, for example .

placed on the lap.

Yes, order it a bit,

more light and turn it around. By

the way, that's why we have to

do it like this? Why was it so

big? Because both the push and the

force are already quite large.

The Live 3 is much smaller.

Sorry for that weird noise.

noise.

So, now it's halfway sharp. So,

if we put both things side

by side.

I'll just put my microphone on for a moment. So.

Uh, if the two of us, right?

Keep things side by side. We can

do this very quickly, Mick. Yes. Um, there

Yes. Um, there

is a certain visual similarity,

I think you can

see quite well that the Force is

actually the same in terms of its basic idea .

So it's actually the same in

terms of features, more or

less in terms of the basic idea. You

just have a bigger screen here. Uh, you

still have the

touch here, so the push doesn't have touch.

touch.

That's a touch display.

I think many people could have

imagined this as a push variant,

especially because, as I said, you

have these displays here and then

yours here and below you also have the

option to directly set mute, for example,

or various other

functions. Here you have

your clip launching. Uh, here you

still have direct access and up here, um,

by the way, that's switched here.

So it's Keyboard

MPE. That's the power of it,

right? That's probably the case with the For

and here and with the MPC,

right? There are now these sensors,

something similar to MPD MPE is

coming. Um, well, you can, well,

formally it's actually a

DAW controller, let's say, but

because of the standalone thing it's

become a bit of a goofbox. The big

advantage, of course, is that Abelen users

can keep their machines. as long as they work on board

, because then your plugins

obviously won't run on this thing.

Uh, that's a

bit in between with the Force. Well, it

also has some kind of plugins, but they have to

come from Akai. So of course they are not

fellow campaigners.

Not quite anymore, but in

the meantime they have

brought a few fellow campaigners on board.

Firstly, Native Instruments, where

various things are now working,

and then

I think they've also brought MXSP or whatever

they're called, another plugin

manufacturer, on board. There are now

now

two plugins, one called

Bitcusher and one called Tape Satur.

Satur.

If you look at the whole thing

together with the extra power that is

coming now, it actually looks

pretty rosy for this platform.

Maybe other

manufacturers will get on board and maybe even expand

the platform that they already have in Music,

also with other manufacturers. And

And

that's what

we can actually hope for

: that when we have such super-

powerful devices,

the cosmos will also become larger.

That's actually what

's really cool. And you can

usually use all of this stuff

as a plug-in on your computer, plus,

plus,

for example, with the MPC software,

and then you almost have

the boundaries between

MPC and

Push, they're very blurred in terms of the

concept, or

MPC, I think, is clear. I think

the concept is different, but since the

3rd update it's become much closer to

a DW

, particularly because the arranger

motor is now there. That's what

comes from there

and therefore also more of the Stem idea

is in there, which by the way is

not the case with electrons, right?

Apart from the octa-track, audio is

n't really that important, so stems aren't really an

issue there, and not even with Tonwork.

So this is very clear here and you

all mentioned Machine Plus. It's

a bit weak on the chest, but unfortunately

the feel is damn good to use

, I would say.

I have to admit that. I thought that was good too. The

concept in itself, for anyone who can handle it,

is very, very logical. That's correct. We

have a nice comment here from the live chat

. We both need to

design a Grofbox. I

we have very different ways of

working. Probably

then it would be, but maybe that would be a

good thing. No idea. But look,

if you look at it now,

we both basically have

the Force and the Push 3, I'll

stick with that. The concept is, um, clear,

the software and itself, but basically

basically

they both do the same thing. You can

launch clips, you can

play synths on it, you can

play drums on it. Um,

at best, with the new

version, both are MPE capable, for example

for example

, you have automations in it. Well,

Well,

but I think one thing should be

said before we look at the second machine :

this topic is actually

not unjustified. Of course,

the MPC One is also available for €500

. There will probably be some

kind of One or something at some point, because

this concept obviously has to be adopted at some point

so that the

software can be used everywhere.

Otherwise, the Live will

be a kind of flagship for now. By

the way, it was probably the first one back then

, but yes,

it's often the case that the flag, well,

every company does it a

little differently. Classic Waldorf, right?

You know the Wave, but you buy the

Microwave because it's cheaper,

right? So, and here it is certainly the same

, that there are cheaper versions from the same company

. Drum

machine is also another topic.

I do believe that drum machines are only

bought by people who place a lot of

importance on the individual drum sound

, because otherwise the

groove box with samples can fulfill their needs. But if,

for example, you say, yes, I

actually want an analog simulation or

something like that, then maybe a

drum machine would be better these days, especially since you can then

process the drums differently

and so on. So I'm not

entirely sure whether there's something for everyone

, but as far as hobbyists are concerned, yes,

I think they're more likely to buy a

machine that can do as much as possible and

doesn't cost that much money, which

definitely won't cost four figures,

and it

definitely won't cost four figures.

Well, I'm guessing that it's similar

to Tonwork and similar to,

well, the price is around,

I think, 15, somewhere around that

for the new MPC. Mmm. Um, that's

a bit like

when Live 2 came out,

it was a bit over

1000. I mean, all the

prices have gone up anyway. Um, especially

now for an American

company, even if they have their products manufactured in Asia

Uh, that's the

big problem we have right now, what's

on the market. But it must also be

said that they packed in a lot more

than what was there. It's

not just a new processor

and it's not just

a new coat of paint, although the picture

somewhat suggests that they've

at least

moved away from that soft-touch varnish.

And that's why it says

here that Ghostface says it was

said that the thing

would cost $2,200. That is, of course,

clearly, I would say,

significantly over the top. So that's

it, you can use an Octat

Track and a Digitakt or maybe even

something from

another company. You

really have to think about it, it's not a

bad idea to have very different concepts, especially if you

do it live,

even if you don't

want to talk about it officially, well, we do want to,

but we're not allowed to. But there's

something else that we were talking about the other day

and you told me the price and

then my

right ear fell off and then my left

and then my ear fell off

afterwards and I thought to myself,

what were you smoking? But

we'll probably get to that

sometime in October,

I think it will be mid-October.

So more can be done and

it could become cheaper, especially with the MPCs

, so that at the beginning, which Cork

does very often,

the devices are quite expensive at the beginning. especially

in the first wave and also in the

second, when everyone is well supplied

, then the prices go down, because then

everyone who really

wanted them is supplied and then it can

go down a bit again. That

can also be the case here. But that doesn't

mean that it will be €700 less, it just means

a few, I don't

know. I'm not involved in that either.

This is just something that happens every now and then

. Not so much for Elektron,

I would say. Uh, and for some of them there are

variations and things like that.

Uh, and oh, the drum thing, that's

just a drum machine, but with sampling

and so on, that's still a while away, but

probably by the end of the year,

as it looks.

Of course we'll be doing something else on the subject of drums, er, computers or, er, drummies, there

will be something else this year, but

In this sense, the

Live 3 is now the discontinued

Push 3

is the

final DW

in the box, because

yes, that is definitely the case,

in principle you can now

make entire tracks with the Force or with an MPC. Yes,

you have to edge it out. Theoretically, you can even

even

master it in there. Well, it

sounds more likely to be from the

beginning of the 2000s than 2025

in terms of a few things, but

otherwise there's enough power in it. You've had

disc streaming for a long time.

um, purely theoretically, with three,

with 8 GB of RAM and enough

computing power, you can really blast through

entire live sets without

having to save them in between, right?

right?

Uh, I think so. Well, it must

have a lot more power because it

can fire these 24 streams directly into DW, right? That's

really sensational and up until now eight

lanes were the norm. Uh, I'm

assuming that this will also

happen a bit more internally.

But I don't know to what extent one can

completely change the structures internally

, but I simply don't know.

This is of course a guessing game,

but what is it, well I also found that

the MPCs with the three have

much, much more DRW to

offer than the classic Goofbox. So

it can still do that, it's

still a Goofbox,

but a real

classic, right, where it comes from, right?

Even the first one, the MPC60,

was actually a drum machine that

you could play tonally and then

it slowly developed towards the

MPC 2000 and so on and then 3000.

So, they have, it is a

logical development, but

towards everything. So, from that perspective,

the push comparison is correct.

Uh, I would say, as I said, the

Force will probably be eliminated, uh, or

would have to serve a new purpose that

I can't quite see yet,

depending on how good the step sequencing

thing is. But they have probably

realized that this is how it is here

. That has to go in there like that. But

Akis were never really

strong in that area. So, there was always this

sequencer page and stuff like that, right? But the

other side is the running light,

right? And that's the other side

of power, so to speak. So like this. Yes,

Yes,

I would take a break here now.

Exactly, that's mine too

and uh, exactly, we'll take another look at the

whole thing. Meanwhile,

Mick can make progress on his latest achievement

achievement

. And if we take a

quick look at the

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Also happy if you watch the whole thing as a

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everything. Yes, exactly in that sense,

we've done one of them.

So, what do you have here? Yes.

Yes. Uh, I'm going to switch this

thing over here. Uh, Tonwork, that's

next. Electron.

completely different in terms of concept.

Uh, maybe you have it, I'll just say

very roughly what I mean. You can

see a keyboard here and

step buttons here and here is a button that

you can press and then you have

the steps here. Um, it has eight

instruments and each of the instruments

is polyphonic or is a drum set. For example,

you can say. Here [music]

[music]

this is a drum set. What I

find strange is that there's nothing on it yet. So these

are these for now and

and

then we'll go again. Wrong key.

Here you can simply select the track

. As an Elektron user you know it

's a little different because the

concept has really changed. And

then we can play here.

Things like this are relatively new.

Elektron hasn't had this for very long. And

then there's something else that's sensational

. I, well you know me, I

'm someone who needs longer bars

and you can see that up here and

with this whole key here. And

now I'm going to put this here. And

here, for example, there are four bars, and by

pressing here you can increase the whole thing a bit

to 256.

Zack. So, what does that mean? If I

press here, I

always have a subset up to 16 and then

I can switch here. The big innovation is polyphony

polyphony

and this concept here, but it's

still not an audio thing, but a

multisampler. It has multisamples,

regular samples and drum samples.

I just hope that this will be added to the mix

. So first of all,

basically, what it does, what

it is good for

and then of course you can do something like that

here too. [Music]

[Music]

So, what's here, for example?

And here there's courage and everything,

as you know it before. You can also

make entire tracks, but compared

to an MPC it's pretty limited.

It's still an ongoing system

. It can still do MIDI in and out,

but it definitely doesn't have the amount that an MPC has

. But I want to

catch my breath first before I

give a never-ending lecture here.

Yes, what do you think about it? Do you think that's

cool or is that [ __ ]?

So, I'm going to play the

antagonist here. Uh,

uh, I also have to do the whole thing a

that. Okay, good. Um, dear Mick, how much did

you pay for this box?

uh as much as I got for another

synthesizer. Um,

yeah, it costs about 1300 now.

Now, we were just

talking about innovation and, uh,

feature sets and so on.

Last week I was sitting in a friend's

studio and we

talked about it. He already had electronic devices

. I have already had electronic devices

. Um, I've not only had a

Force, but also various other

samplers here.

And um, you too.

Do you like this concept of Tonk?

You bought it, but I'm

still asking such a heretical question. innovative,

innovative,

well apart from Heilstop, apart

from the electron

sequencing concept, because it's

more or less the same size every time

, just in a different form, but

now let's say it again,

I've simply

asked my interrogation, my questions, your questions

and now I'm going to ask you, I do

n't have the right light here right now, but imagine

the interrogation light is sitting on

you and I'm mentally holding my

no longer existing black box or a

bento against it, which at least

comes with a granular synthesizer for less money

and, yes,

a touchscreen where you

can actually see things, including which notes you've

played, not just a small LED,

right? Yeah, no,

you can touch it, but

nothing happens. Yes, that's right. Uh, I'll

answer a little bit first.

So, I was thinking about the other thing:

what do I need in my music?

And what I'm missing are longer

melodic lines. I have

n't been able to do that well so far. A good idea is

external sequencers, something like Harparks,

something like Zirklon 2, things like that. Um

or um here too. That's why I

held this one up, the

little brother here. This is the

Digitone. It has transpos buttons. In

principle it is

suitable and has 16 tracks.

So, I need something that

thinks and works poly. This is

rather rare with Elektron. Then I need a

control for MIDI and I need

polyphony, because I think I like

polyphony and I like chords in principle

and so, I wasn't waiting for that in

that sense. I just

looked to see what fit, what

I was still missing. So far, what

I haven't quite

managed to do is bring

all of these old things into the future

future

. And yes, I

simply saw it from a mature

musical perspective and that's where it

comes in handy, and then

the thing has so many steps that it's

no longer so important to have to

think about whether

these few chords will fit in there,

because yes, I have to limit myself to this and that

. I personally find this

super important for my music

. I would never apply this to everyone,

and the comparison with the MPC

is difficult because it

follows almost the opposite concept. It's

simply real-time, which suits me:

recording the input machine, doing it, and

essentially running a complete production

. I would say there's

nothing wrong with that. It's possible

that I'll get one for some new

reason or something,

but I thought the MPC 61, the one with

the keys, was pretty good, as I said. I

just don't need so many keys on

stage, especially not. Then it

's better to get it in small. But then it has large

keys in red and small ones without this

transpose function. So if it's just a close call, it

's over. But good

idea, right? So you can

drive different concepts and then also the

amount of weight and things like that.

That is, um, if we answer our

question yes. Yes, you are standing here too and

that is also right. Yes,

I can do something like that with my DW too. Long

melodies, that's true. But think about it the other

way around. I now have this

whole running story. So I can just take

a step out somewhere.

That's rather difficult with a DW,

because if you want to work like that, no,

that doesn't work. Not even with the Push

, which is already a remote control for

a DW. It's also the case that

you have to press a few buttons.

Here you also have to think about things that you can

live with. So you only buy something like this

because you are somehow attached to this TR operation

, because of course the

problem with this TR operation is

exactly this. Ts are for that, that was

originally a Dor machine,

they are not intended to

make polyphonic things clear, because

then you just have, no,

something here, no, and you have something there. And

that's what most machines lack, and

that's what we have here. They've

put a lot of effort into it and

here too [music]

[music]

, you can

play something polyphonically and go

up and down. You can

transpose. Well, by the way, it's quite

nice how it's done. You

simply go here and let it

run and then transpose it with

this. That's actually a

pretty nice idea. So then

this bass line or whatever is on

here is

see if it's offered. I hope not.

[Music] So,

it sounds terrible now

because the other things haven't

been transposed, but you can

transpose straight away. That's why

I show that it's just simple

and I think that's good. And there's

one like that at Elektron, you know it, there's

this table, what

all should be transposed with, right?

Then you can do that too.

However, this method already exists in Digiton

. You can always

do it this way. As I said, I do

n't think everything here is perfect either, the thing with

the eight instead of 12 and so on, and there are

a few other things too. If you read

the forums, there is definitely, um, what's

it called?

The device isn't finished yet. So

it's just come to Maren, there are

still a lot of things. Uh

1.0, that is definitely the

1.0 zero and uh uh apart from

various uh things uh that aren't

running quite so smoothly yet, like the uh uh

autoampler, so to speak. There are

various problems there.

But and now I have to ask you,

ask you,

as a seasoned keyboardist, Vergewohl sausage

maker, yes, time 1950, um,

um,

I am,

I didn't call you fat.

Well, that was last time. This is now before

Okay, good. Back to,

you have now bought a device that, firstly,

firstly,

has no velocity, no after touch, and can't do

steps. Um,

Um, [music]

[music]

go even further, more than 16.

Well, with a Force it's

still not the final decision with the

platform, for example.

Yes, with Roland it was 999 at some point

, I think, right? And then yes,

that's what I mean by it, as long as the

display fits,

um, but then again

talking about your age, you can, um,

well, you can

briefly display it again on this, because with it

the people, at least for those

who watch it as a video,

you also have a keyboard on the device

and you can play chords with it

. Mmm. So, and

now you can see the chords

or the multiple notes that

you have on a step at the same time, only

displayed on these small white

LEDs that are there.

Yes, that's right.

And that's it. If you now

have a step with a chord where you

basically want to do a stromming,

you have to

touch this one point each time, go into the menu

, and then

edit this one held note separately. Did I

understand that correctly?

Yes, that's basically how you do it. So

then you have, let's say these three

tones, then you press it and say, I'm

pushing you there.

Electronic users already know that.

This is typical micro timing. And

that's a thing, right? So, it works

on the same principle. So here's

the thing. Uh and that uh I'm

not that practiced yet. I really have the thing.

Yes, you just got it out. That's what

I mean, but you have this, let's

say this, some kind of thing here

and then you take the step, for example, and

then you can push it forwards or

backwards. You can also

set multiple steps here, right? And you

can also do this here, if it's a

tonal thing, it's the

other way around, so to speak. That's why there's this

button, which shows you

what, where is it? And then you can

say, yes, how is it

here now, where, if you have a note here or there,

you can

say that separately later, as we will show, when I am

more familiar with it. This

of course has to do with this mode here.

when what plays. So, it

shows different things and if there

is no record here, then of course it's gone.

That's why, as I said, the

electronics people know this. So

in that sense it's actually the same as

before. And then you take this one, for example,

and move it a little to the right,

and this one and move it a little

to the left, whatever. Uh, and

now Jesus Christ and so on,

right? So that's possible here, so

you can do that. That is, you're right, it

's a kind of post-production, because

of course, if you can play it

on a keyboard, then it records

the dynamics and so on. And what

I also like is that there are

these controller things

for a meditrack and such. I

definitely like that too, because a lot of

sequencers have limitations in that regard, but

um, you're right, there's

also a pageator and something like cord memory,

but what's the matter is, these keys

are actually not velocity sensitive.

velocity sensitive.

You should do it the way you know it, you

press it and then say here in front is

velocity and say this step

has this velocity strength. This is

the pitch or

velocity that should go in there,

but only for that note and not for the

held note. That means you ca n't

n't

have parameter locks, right?

Okay, but now you can't, uh,

once you've made a cord, uh, uh,

change the velocity for each held key, right?

No, that's how you do it: when you

record, you set something here

, for example M

or with retrigger without, that's what used to be

called roll in Electes, or flam

or yes, this ratchet thing,

you can do that here too. Then

this button here is on

and then it is on and then it is

repeated. Uh, but you do Velocity like this

, you say, um, there is also the

Spektralis or something like that, it is done like this too

. Then we say, you set this

here and from now on all

steps that are entered will be

accepted with this value. If you

set it this way next time, it will be

accepted with this value. This is actually

actually

usually the easiest method with the step system

. Yes,

okay. Well, I don't want to take it too far

with that, because that's already,

no, well, that's just, uh, perform,

perform,

what I wanted to say is, mhm.

mhm. Um,

I have the feeling that

so I can only rate the thing

as it is at the moment, right? Um,

whether a

synthesizer will ever get involved with it,

no one knows, officially or

unofficially, I don't think. Not, right?

I don't believe it. Uh, that would

dilute something. Um

, yes, as I see it right now,

it's a relatively

expensive sampler for me with a few

nice effects, but it does

n't really appeal to me, apart from the

fact that you

have an Elektron sequencer, which

is kind of cool. Well, you have to

admit, I don't

just want to talk nonsense, but

the electron sequence

itself has its

justification. It's really

very cool in many places. Just for this

concept, bear in mind that

I don't know of any sequencer that

has dynamic pads, like a Circulon

or something like that, you do the

same thing with that, or you connect a media

keyboard, it can be a small one,

and then play it from the outside and

that naturally has dynamics and so

this, for example,

also applies, or even a Del obviously does

n't have dynamic pads. Not the HPEX

, not the Zirklon. All the

cool things just don't have that

, very few of them, and that's where the MPC

actually has the advantage that the pads,

the play-in pads are there and

are dynamic, and of course the Push too,

it's the same from the

Push 3 onwards. I don't want to paint myself into a

corner, not that you're wrong,

right? I feel like I have to,

not you, but in

general, you are absolutely

right. There simply is

n't a sequencer off the top of my head that

that

has velocity and aftertouch buttons. Um,

I ca

n't think of one separately right now. Um,

except for an MPC, because they

actually have a push, they

can do that, but otherwise it doesn't

look good. Okay, let's put

a check mark on that. And before we continue

with all sorts of crazy things

, Mic will tell you

briefly why it's totally cool if

you two,

if you out there feel called

to actually support us.

Yes, that's how it works. or that's important

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and there you can

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So you get the same thing for the little one too

. It's just that when you

feel more gratitude,

then we're just happier. And

if you say, no, it's really

tight, but I still want to

do something, then it's okay

if it's a little less. And

this here, what you can see here now

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You can ask us questions, annoy us,

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from everything if you

were a supporter here, and a huge thank you

to those who are already here and who are fed up with

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no, or if not, then you can also donate €10 so that we

you can also donate €10 so that we stop and then say turn it off,

stop and then say turn it off, then no, then we wo

then no, then we wo n't actually stop, but if everyone says that,

n't actually stop, but if everyone says that, then we really will

then we really will stop, because then it won't be any fun

stop, because then it won't be any fun anymore, because without you we will cease to

anymore, because without you we will cease to exist. It's that simple

exist. It's that simple . Exactly. So, if we really,

. Exactly. So, if we really, if you get so much together that

if you get so much together that we can, I was just about to say,

we can, I was just about to say, achieve, if we are really convinced

achieve, if we are really convinced and then sit on our deserted island

and then sit on our deserted island , each with an MPC and a

, each with an MPC and a Tonk in our hand and say, they

Tonk in our hand and say, they really have us, man, they have us now

really have us, man, they have us now , we have to stop. Yes,

, we have to stop. Yes, then that works too. So

then that works too. So maybe they'll say, I'm

maybe they'll say, I'm not buying anymore. I have my

not buying anymore. I have my Cubbase 6 anyway, as it says here, for example, I

Cubbase 6 anyway, as it says here, for example, I just got it, uh, I don't

just got it, uh, I don't need anyone anymore. That's enough for

need anyone anymore. That's enough for you, you can stop. That works too. I

you, you can stop. That works too. I think it's great, especially now that

think it's great, especially now that this new MacOS and things like that or

this new MacOS and things like that or Windows 11 are coming out,

Windows 11 are coming out, more and more people are asking themselves about

more and more people are asking themselves about this update, should I

this update, should I continue or not? And that's why

continue or not? And that's why these hardware nuggets are

these hardware nuggets are sometimes quite interesting, because they're a

sometimes quite interesting, because they're a bit removed from this

bit removed from this annual update story. Is

annual update story. Is all of this still working or are things like this no longer working

all of this still working or are things like this no longer working , right? And we try to narrow down what

, right? And we try to narrow down what interests whom and what suits whom

interests whom and what suits whom

, like now, because I think they thought it was cool, they

think they thought it was cool, they felt addressed and the

felt addressed and the others didn't say, wow, no, not for me

others didn't say, wow, no, not for me . Then we have achieved a little bit of

. Then we have achieved a little bit of our goal. Otherwise

our goal. Otherwise we'll just chat about it, until you guys get

we'll just chat about it, until you guys get a little bit of... Yeah, exactly. Number,

a little bit of... Yeah, exactly. Number, right? Exactly. That's how it works.

right? Exactly. That's how it works. Yes. In any case, right? So,

Yes. In any case, right? So, our aim throughout the

our aim throughout the whole story is to

whole story is to give you some kind of inspiration. Either

give you some kind of inspiration. Either you turn this box off and

you turn this box off and finally sit down and make music

finally sit down and make music or we can actually protect you from the

or we can actually protect you from the evil in the world and

evil in the world and that's why we're doing all this. It

that's why we're doing all this. It could be both

could be both , right? also

, right? also exactly. Uh,

exactly. Uh, that's why there will be

that's why there will be new developer talks soon. We're

new developer talks soon. We're currently working on various

currently working on various invitations from one person or

invitations from one person or another and

another and

we can take a look at what else has happened.

take a look at what else has happened. In any case, we still have a

In any case, we still have a little time. Oh, by the way, in

little time. Oh, by the way, in my little survey or with our

my little survey or with our laptop or hardware, I have 60%

laptop or hardware, I have 60% hardware, 22% laptop, that's quite a

hardware, 22% laptop, that's quite a lot. Is this our fault or is this a

lot. Is this our fault or is this a trend? Lederhose 18

trend? Lederhose 18 clicked. That means you can't be

clicked. That means you can't be taken seriously. You either live in

taken seriously. You either live in Bavaria or you don't like Bavaria. Exactly.

Bavaria or you don't like Bavaria. Exactly. Yes. And about these heated blankets.

Yes. And about these heated blankets. Uh, I say yes to uh MOG uh

Uh, I say yes to uh MOG uh water glasses.

water glasses. Okay, good. Um,

Okay, good. Um, man, I had something else here

man, I had something else here .

. Tell me, what's really cool is

Tell me, what's really cool is that this crowdfunding for

that this crowdfunding for the FR 777 is

the FR 777 is really, really well-received, right?

really, really well-received, right? We're talking about the Future Retro 777.

We're talking about the Future Retro 777. A kind of very complex 303, sounds

A kind of very complex 303, sounds different, but it's a very

different, but it's a very well-known, yes, what should we call it?

well-known, yes, what should we call it? Uh monophonic uh main synth, bass

Uh monophonic uh main synth, bass and all synths. Very well known. It'll

and all synths. Very well known. It'll probably come back now

probably come back now and actually look a

and actually look a little different in terms of color.

little different in terms of color. I have an overlay with it here. Oh,

I have an overlay with it here. Oh, you already have. Yes.

you already have. Yes. OK. Uh,

OK. Uh, when one babbles, the other looks.

when one babbles, the other looks. Oh, wait there. I'm on

Oh, wait there. I'm on the Kickstarter page. To be very, very beautiful

the Kickstarter page. To be very, very beautiful . And it works just well enough to allow you to

. And it works just well enough to allow you to see the machine better.

see the machine better. Yeah, wait a minute, man. Give me a second.

Yeah, wait a minute, man. Give me a second. Z.

Z. Exactly.

Exactly. Down again. So this is what the

Down again. So this is what the original looked like.

original looked like. Exactly,

Exactly, right? And um, the new version

right? And um, the new version now looks like ano sub. Come here. New remix

now looks like ano sub. Come here. New remix thing. Um,

thing. Um, yeah, that's it.

yeah, that's it. I'll hop onto this one. Let's

just say that for a little bit of

terror, that's already $123,000. No, euros.

$123,000. No, euros. Yes. And the inventor

Yes. And the inventor actually handed it all over

actually handed it all over because

because the Vecttron came along at some point. So I think

the Vecttron came along at some point. So I think someone is doing some extra

someone is doing some extra soldering now, so there's a little bit of

soldering now, so there's a little bit of reserve. As you can see here, there is

reserve. As you can see here, there is a bit of advertising for

a bit of advertising for modern soldering and building, but in

modern soldering and building, but in principle it is a pretty

principle it is a pretty good, complex, thick synthesizer with a

good, complex, thick synthesizer with a sequencer built in. M basically,

sequencer built in. M basically, back when the thing was so active

back when the thing was so active or was heavily hyped, it was also the

or was heavily hyped, it was also the case that 303 and such hyped 303s were

case that 303 and such hyped 303s were increasingly coming into the world

increasingly coming into the world and from this came

and from this came things like the Avalon, which is also pretty

things like the Avalon, which is also pretty cool and yes and

cool and yes and now they thought again,

now they thought again, why not bring this thing back?

why not bring this thing back? It has individual curves. There was

It has individual curves. There was also the XS, which I thought was really cool.

also the XS, which I thought was really cool. Uh, it's a bit related,

Uh, it's a bit related, its successor, which also

its successor, which also has a very warm sound and uh, already has its

has a very warm sound and uh, already has its own sound.

own sound. So, uh, Oil of Oberheim, what does it say here is

So, uh, Oil of Oberheim, what does it say here is the oil barons' ball or something? Well

the oil barons' ball or something? Well , anyway, um, is that something for

, anyway, um, is that something for you? Um,

you? Um, or should we have changed something? I, I

or should we have changed something? I, I admit, I have enough

admit, I have enough monophonic B synthesizers at the moment.

monophonic B synthesizers at the moment. I have my monologue from Kork. I

I have my monologue from Kork. I have my,

have my,

my snot box and, above all, I have my Nor Mono, which

my Nor Mono, which of course has a completely different

of course has a completely different sound characteristic, right? So, we

sound characteristic, right? So, we

talked about the Noront Mono recently. Um,

Um, but

but I think

I think I have no shortage of monophonic bass synthesizers. I also have a

I have no shortage of monophonic bass synthesizers. I also have a PWM Malevolent, which screeches and uh uh

PWM Malevolent, which screeches and uh uh thrusts enough for three and uh then it's

thrusts enough for three and uh then it's enough then a decent sequencer to go

enough then a decent sequencer to go with it and then uh that rocks too.

with it and then uh that rocks too. So

So I actually have a bass synthesis volume

I actually have a bass synthesis volume set up relatively well. How does

set up relatively well. How does it look for you? So, you

it look for you? So, you 're not really a 303

're not really a 303 person.

person. I thought this funny

I thought this funny first Eira 303 was cool, which

first Eira 303 was cool, which wasn't really one, because

wasn't really one, because I think this Hypnoticwander 303 is cool. You Clock DVDA or

I think this Hypnoticwander 303 is cool. You Clock DVDA or something, well I do like the

something, well I do like the sound

sound but it's too simple for me, but

but it's too simple for me, but I thought the Avalon was pretty good. Just 1000

I thought the Avalon was pretty good. Just 1000 valid payment units would have

valid payment units would have been too much for me. I even had it

been too much for me. I even had it here for testing. I really

here for testing. I really liked it, but I think I would

liked it, but I think I would rather go for the XS, I had that one too, there

rather go for the XS, I had that one too, there 's a very old video on my Mogulator channel

's a very old video on my Mogulator channel , it's one of the first

, it's one of the first runs I ever did

runs I ever did back then. So, if you're interested, you can

back then. So, if you're interested, you can take a look, because it's

take a look, because it's also future retro and

also future retro and I liked the concept, because this

I liked the concept, because this accent does something different, creates

accent does something different, creates dynamism and so on, which I think is pretty good. It would be

dynamism and so on, which I think is pretty good. It would be a bit big because

a bit big because for me it's a live instrument and a

for me it's a live instrument and a live instrument shouldn't be too big

live instrument shouldn't be too big , it's already pretty big, but

, it's already pretty big, but if you had one

if you had one it would be really cool. Retro

it would be really cool. Retro the sequencer is not long enough

the sequencer is not long enough for my needs, that's

for my needs, that's

exactly what I'm talking about, we're back to other points, but let's give you a little help

other points, but let's give you a little help with that. Future

with that. Future Retro was also the thing that

Retro was also the thing that Tedi had back then, this round of a

Tedi had back then, this round of a ring-shaped thing. Exactly. There

ring-shaped thing. Exactly. There was once a pretzel

was once a pretzel they made too, right?

they made too, right? Sequencer. Exactly. Yes. Yes, that's part of it

Sequencer. Exactly. Yes. Yes, that's part of it too. They basically offered the sequencer

too. They basically offered the sequencer separately, their own, and

separately, their own, and then there was this one and the Exess.

then there was this one and the Exess. So, these are the most well-known ones. There were

So, these are the most well-known ones. There were a few other things. There was also

a few other things. There was also a funny keyboard that was a

a funny keyboard that was a bit like Bugler. Uh, so there were

bit like Bugler. Uh, so there were a few more things.

a few more things. Uh, he was the kind of guy who just

Uh, he was the kind of guy who just did what he wanted,

did what he wanted, I think. Uh, I think his name was Charity

I think. Uh, I think his name was Charity .

. So, um, these are concepts. I think

So, um, these are concepts. I think it's cool that it's coming back

it's cool that it's coming back because it's a really cool,

because it's a really cool, upgraded

upgraded concept. The 303 is basically and,

concept. The 303 is basically and, oh, that's right. I still have the so-

oh, that's right. I still have the so- so here. Yes, I just read that too

so here. Yes, I just read that too and thought to myself, do you show it or

and thought to myself, do you show it or not,

not, because then we really have to

because then we really have to talk for half an hour about it.

talk for half an hour about it. Yes,

Yes, and I think that's also mine, it

and I think that's also mine, it 's also mean to say that to them.

's also mean to say that to them. Ah, that's difficult, because not all 303s are the

Ah, that's difficult, because not all 303s are the same and the concept

same and the concept behind the 303

behind the 303 is cool, as I just mentioned

is cool, as I just mentioned . I mean, exactly, I

. I mean, exactly, I love my Normono for that, for example. It

love my Normono for that, for example. It 's actually

a similar, very extensive 30, a very extensive

a very extensive 303 concept, a bass synthesizer

303 concept, a bass synthesizer on steroids.

on steroids. It's lightning fast, but it has a

It's lightning fast, but it has a completely different sound characteristic,

completely different sound characteristic, that has to be said.

that has to be said. Absolutely.

Absolutely. Also no 303,

Also no 303, what it's really good at is

what it's really good at is old school,

old school, electric, cold, hard, it's

electric, cold, hard, it's really good at. Um, meanwhile, for example,

really good at. Um, meanwhile, for example, an Avalon sounds a lot warmer in

an Avalon sounds a lot warmer in my opinion.

my opinion. Um, and then of course you have

Um, and then of course you have the whole Bärringer story.

the whole Bärringer story. Then you have Thunder, so if you

Then you have Thunder, so if you just want a blunt 303 clone

just want a blunt 303 clone , buy one of those 303 things and

, buy one of those 303 things and you're done. Yes, it's more

you're done. Yes, it's more convenient than that, but it's not really possible at the moment

convenient than that, but it's not really possible at the moment . Since you use an app or

. Since you use an app or a plugin,

a plugin, I'll show you that again.

I'll show you that again. Oops. So,

Oops. So, this is Avalon.

this is Avalon. This is the Avalon

This is the Avalon black. It's also available in white or

black. It's also available in white or cream. Yes, exactly. There are of course

cream. Yes, exactly. There are of course , but here too with these funny

, but here too with these funny Glavia keys

Glavia keys and these Pullmoll things and but

and these Pullmoll things and but up here, and this is the important thing, there is

up here, and this is the important thing, there is also a sub-oscillator.

also a sub-oscillator. Just sounds a little fatter.

Just sounds a little fatter. And this looks familiar, doesn't it? Of

And this looks familiar, doesn't it? Of course we have the

course we have the hill curve and so on. It's not that

hill curve and so on. It's not that much more, but the flexibility is much

much more, but the flexibility is much better

better today. I think that many even when

today. I think that many even when they say 303 there are two options. You

they say 303 there are two options. You like the sound of the 303 yourself and you make

like the sound of the 303 yourself and you make sure it

sure it 's like that because there's something

's like that because there's something magical about it. So this one basically

magical about it. So this one basically

fell out of the SH Roland series with its dull sound. Very cool. And the other is this

Very cool. And the other is this strange sequencer with the slides and

strange sequencer with the slides and such, which nobody can really

such, which nobody can really program very well

program very well because you first have to program all the notes and then

because you first have to program all the notes and then all the timings or the other way around. If there

all the timings or the other way around. If there is an alternative sequencer

is an alternative sequencer then that is a bit better.

then that is a bit better. Or take the batteries out and

Or take the batteries out and put them back in and then you have funny patterns.

put them back in and then you have funny patterns. Well, there are very

Well, there are very different opinions about how

different opinions about how good you think that is, because a

good you think that is, because a lot of people find this very theoretical aspect

lot of people find this very theoretical aspect cool, these kind of sequences that

cool, these kind of sequences that ultimately create it and that's

ultimately create it and that's why it has a completely different effect

why it has a completely different effect and, um, as I said, funnily enough, I thought

and, um, as I said, funnily enough, I thought this strange TB03 was quite

this strange TB03 was quite cool, didn't you? No, TB only 3, because very,

cool, didn't you? No, TB only 3, because very, very hypnotic things,

very hypnotic things, entered much more quickly, but also with an

entered much more quickly, but also with an accent and such. But in terms of sound,

accent and such. But in terms of sound, it's obviously not the best there was

it's obviously not the best there was . That is quite clear. Well, I don't think there's

. That is quite clear. Well, I don't think there's anything that needs to be

anything that needs to be written about it,

written about it, but it's great and it has a

but it's great and it has a certain,

certain, you can trigger something with this sequencer

you can trigger something with this sequencer in the modular or the

in the modular or the modular there, so if you use it to

modular there, so if you use it to control a Mogmodular or

control a Mogmodular or a Roland System 700, for example. That's

a Roland System 700, for example. That's really cool. Well, let me put it

really cool. Well, let me put it this way,

this way, that's

that's exactly what's going on

exactly what's going on with the mono, it's going to be really, really cool. Exactly.

with the mono, it's going to be really, really cool. Exactly. Um, because it basically takes this

Um, because it basically takes this sequencing to a completely

sequencing to a completely different level. First of all, you really have your your, um,

different level. First of all, you really have your your, um,

what are they? 32 64 uh 64 steps plus no uh

uh you can uh uh mute your steps

you can uh uh mute your steps and turn them back on again.

and turn them back on again.

This thing can do what Mick always finds so awesome. Then you can morph back and forth between presets

Then you can morph back and forth between presets . Every win mode is called

. Every win mode is called that. Exactly. Then you have

that. Exactly. Then you have the AIX Twin Mode. That means that

the AIX Twin Mode. That means that if you hold Up and Down

if you hold Up and Down at the same time

at the same time you get into Special Mode where you

you get into Special Mode where you

can put a preset that you have created yourself into each of these 16 steps

created yourself into each of these 16 steps and then copy it into your

and then copy it into your running sequence

running sequence and all of the buttons

and all of the buttons that you have up here,

that you have up here, including the volume button, you can

including the volume button, you can assign

assign a pitch curve,

a pitch curve, a recorded automation,

a recorded automation, that is, when you turn the button and with

that is, when you turn the button and with an LO that goes really damn fast

an LO that goes really damn fast and that means

and that means you have

you have at least two modulators for each parameter that go up to 4.5

at least two modulators for each parameter that go up to 4.5 kHz and that is of course what

kHz and that is of course what my father's son likes, right?

my father's son likes, right? Exactly. What I would also like to mention is that there is

Exactly. What I would also like to mention is that there is of course also a classic

of course also a classic reincarnation of a TB303,

reincarnation of a TB303, from Dünsyn, for example,

from Dünsyn, for example, which,

which, if it can be a bit more classy

if it can be a bit more classy , then we have that here, which is really,

, then we have that here, which is really, really cool. Um, and that

really cool. Um, and that would be something like that, if you

would be something like that, if you want a nice 303 and are willing to spend a bit of money on it

want a nice 303 and are willing to spend a bit of money on it , then

, then thinsink, that's awesome, that's really,

thinsink, that's awesome, that's really, really

really thinsyn,

thinsyn, right? Well, it's also very

right? Well, it's also very popular with original people, but

popular with original people, but yeah, as I said, there are still a

yeah, as I said, there are still a few, well, we have that, we would have

few, well, we have that, we would have only scratched the surface, and you can

only scratched the surface, and you can see again that you

see again that you can control us remotely, but that's

can control us remotely, but that's fine too. Exactly.

fine too. Exactly. Cool. Um, do you want to do another one

Cool. Um, do you want to do another one ? Yes, I would now simply put

? Yes, I would now simply put the, let's say,

the, let's say, short news ticker here

short news ticker here and I would also do it in such a way that we do

and I would also do it in such a way that we do n't just look at it so much and see

n't just look at it so much and see how people

how people react to it. We did so last time and it was

react to it. We did so last time and it was nice too.

nice too. I deliberately didn't say that, which is why

I deliberately didn't say that, which is why I kept saying Dünsing.

I kept saying Dünsing. Yes. Uh, there is also another

Yes. Uh, there is also another Kickstarter that is running now and

Kickstarter that is running now and last time we had the

last time we had the Terrain Syh, uh, the one with these Wave

Terrain Syh, uh, the one with these Wave Table Bergen. If you want to know exactly what

Table Bergen. If you want to know exactly what that is, just watch the second-to-last

that is, just watch the second-to-last show. Because that's all in there

show. Because that's all in there and that's all in there. Here too

and that's all in there. Here too I'll make it small here and it's available for

I'll make it small here and it's available for purchase now. You can see that the goal has

purchase now. You can see that the goal has already been achieved. So it seems

already been achieved. So it seems to appeal to people.

to appeal to people. It's not that expensive either. Let's go

It's not that expensive either. Let's go downstairs. Uh, $949. So

downstairs. Uh, $949. So this is a device that could have

this is a device that could have looked like this. Well, where is

looked like this. Well, where is this picture? There. So. So. That's what it

this picture? There. So. So. That's what it might have looked like if you

might have looked like if you wanted to button everything together, but now it looked like

wanted to button everything together, but now it looked like this and

this and that's what makes this here, so wave

that's what makes this here, so wave tables like mountains that you

tables like mountains that you can drive through in different ways. If

can drive through in different ways. If you want to know exactly, as I said, you can

you want to know exactly, as I said, you can see it here. The terras can

see it here. The terras can also be replaced.

also be replaced. Very, very interesting from a technical perspective too.

Very, very interesting from a technical perspective too. uh let's say for purists not

uh let's say for purists not necessarily uh perfect, but uh I think, well

necessarily uh perfect, but uh I think, well I would like to say anyway

I would like to say anyway , I

, I just like that he does it because it

just like that he does it because it 's so uh cool, to implement something like that and the

's so uh cool, to implement something like that and the way it looks, this display and

way it looks, this display and what it draws, well that uh

what it draws, well that uh somehow has an impact on me. I

somehow has an impact on me. I just think it's cool. Um, yes, that's

just think it's cool. Um, yes, that's Kondis

Kondis 's terrain. Exactly.

's terrain. Exactly. Uh, we've already

Uh, we've already talked about it, if I just

talked about it, if I just say a single sentence about it now. It remains to be

say a single sentence about it now. It remains to be seen how much the

seen how much the synthesis really differs from wave table

synthesis really differs from wave table and, above all,

and, above all, vector synthesis

vector synthesis . There's

. There's a bit of something from both of them, I'd say

a bit of something from both of them, I'd say stolen, so if you make it a bit

stolen, so if you make it a bit simpler

but, of course, but

course, but that's why we'll see what

that's why we'll see what

new sound it brings to the table when the thing is finished, because that's

because that's actually what we want, what

actually what we want, what Nick and I always strive for, to

Nick and I always strive for, to

have some new concepts that then also take the sound further and that's what's

also take the sound further and that's what's actually always really

actually always really cool. And maybe at

cool. And maybe at some point you'll get the

some point you'll get the brain waves again, which

brain waves again, which will automatically travel all the way down to your back

will automatically travel all the way down to your back . That is still the

. That is still the big point. So yeah, I

big point. So yeah, I guess Tom Stolby. Yes, of course. Exactly.

guess Tom Stolby. Yes, of course. Exactly.

Where are my [ __ ] submarines? Come here and we'll do the

Come here and we'll do the mixing desk.

mixing desk. Yes,

Yes, we still have that, we'll get that

we still have that, we'll get that out.

out. I would do that too. So.

I would do that too. So. Oh, now there's

Oh, now there's the Lifetrack 6 from Zoom and it's

the Lifetrack 6 from Zoom and it's also available in a

also available in a slightly larger version, namely the L6 and I

slightly larger version, namely the L6 and I have the one you have, it's very nice.

have the one you have, it's very nice. Yes.

Yes. Namely the one that

Namely the one that actually looks almost exactly like the

actually looks almost exactly like the smaller version. If you don't know, I

smaller version. If you don't know, I admit I haven't really spent much time with that thing

admit I haven't really spent much time with that thing . What's

. What's different about this one than the, um, six?

different about this one than the, um, six? Well, the L6 is called L6 because

Well, the L6 is called L6 because it actually has six channels. Now

it actually has six channels. Now we're counting homes here, listen.

we're counting homes here, listen. 1 2 3 4 5 6. So, this is where it

1 2 3 4 5 6. So, this is where it ends. So they came to this. So it

ends. So they came to this. So it got more channels. It has

got more channels. It has a few more features

a few more features and is a bit more direct

and is a bit more direct . In other words, simply

. In other words, simply better. The L is the little brother.

better. The L is the little brother. So Max is actually a

So Max is actually a bit like Apple, right? So a

bit like Apple, right? So a little bit more and usually what you

little bit more and usually what you need, because it can also

need, because it can also record. There's a recorder down here

record. There's a recorder down here . Uh, wait a minute, do we have an

. Uh, wait a minute, do we have an

overview like that somewhere? We don't have that right now. No, but

We don't have that right now. No, but yes, not

yes, not in any case my name is, uh, that's what

in any case my name is, uh, that's what I wanted to say, of course

I wanted to say, of course . So, you have more

. So, you have more tracks than before. Uh, there were

tracks than before. Uh, there were six and here there are more. If I

six and here there are more. If I understand correctly, with the L6

understand correctly, with the L6 , if you have a stereo

, if you have a stereo channel and only need one of them,

channel and only need one of them, then it's gone. With the Bluebox, for example,

then it's gone. With the Bluebox, for example, they are then distributed to the

they are then distributed to the next ones, which is perhaps a

next ones, which is perhaps a bit more complicated to wire up,

bit more complicated to wire up, but that is also something that you

but that is also something that you might need to know. But they

might need to know. But they definitely put a bit more

definitely put a bit more

thought into it, including a bit more instruments, and I think that's a great thing. Uh, there are a lot of

Uh, there are a lot of effects in there and zoom is

effects in there and zoom is known for that. So it's an

known for that. So it's an all-rounder,

all-rounder, all-in-one mixer for jamming, right? That's

all-in-one mixer for jamming, right? That's actually what it's intended for and if the

actually what it's intended for and if the L6 is too small for you, you should

L6 is too small for you, you should get this one and I think it's

get this one and I think it's pretty well expanded. Well, I'm

pretty well expanded. Well, I'm not a user yet, but I'm

not a user yet, but I'm actually a big receiver and

actually a big receiver and receptive to these kinds of smaller

receptive to these kinds of smaller mixers, because they're actually good for live performances

mixers, because they're actually good for live performances , if they

, if they 're a bit more compact and

're a bit more compact and can also record and maybe

can also record and maybe even act as a bit of an interface

even act as a bit of an interface , things like that. So. And such a such a

, things like that. So. And such a such a such a

such a 32-bit float. Yes. Yes, that's right.

32-bit float. Yes. Yes, that's right. L20,

L20, that's basically the thing,

that's basically the thing, well,

well, yes, that thing has been around for a while. So,

yes, that thing has been around for a while. So, the size has been around for a while. You can

the size has been around for a while. You can

show it again if you want. It's a classic, so it gets

It's a classic, so it gets used a lot.

used a lot. The bigger one, right? That's

The bigger one, right? That's basically it, there's been a

basically it, there's been a

20mm version for a while now and then there's the smaller one.

and then there's the smaller one. I don't know why it wasn't shown to me now

I don't know why it wasn't shown to me now .

. Yes.

Yes. Nope.

Nope. Yes. Uh, yes, this is confusing now.

Yes. Uh, yes, this is confusing now. Yes. Yes. It's actually supposed to be

Yes. Yes. It's actually supposed to be the

the

slim version, but somehow I've got the other

I've got the other multitrack

multitrack audio interface digital mixer here.

audio interface digital mixer here. Okay, good.

Okay, good. So here again for comparison.

So here again for comparison. Here we have the

Here we have the L6 and the L6 Max right

L6 and the L6 Max right next to each other. You can see the

next to each other. You can see the direct difference

direct difference and

and that's exactly what it's

that's exactly what it's like in the

like in the classic mixing console format with

classic mixing console format with

the two old ones, right? So these are the next ones

next ones and the one I actually

and the one I actually wanted to show was

wanted to show was the Rap Veron. Yes. the RV

the Rap Veron. Yes. the RV exactly the L20R is what the thing is called.

exactly the L20R is what the thing is called. What a cool name.

What a cool name. All that's missing is something about the XQ 27. Exactly.

All that's missing is something about the XQ 27. Exactly.

And the R variant is actually quite cute in that sense

actually quite cute in that sense because it

because it saves a lot of space. Here is

saves a lot of space. Here is the rear view again,

the rear view again, also nice with large combination sockets

also nice with large combination sockets .

. um and uh different monitor

um and uh different monitor outputs. Um, that's really wow,

outputs. Um, that's really wow, that's not bad for such a compact thing

that's not bad for such a compact thing . And the Zoom things, I

. And the Zoom things, I personally admit, I have

personally admit, I have n't always had the best

n't always had the best experiences with Zoom over the years. Bob

experiences with Zoom over the years. Bob has to go first. Um,

maybe they've recovered a bit.

recovered a bit. I don't know, I can't

I don't know, I can't judge. Well, to be honest, Zoom left me with

judge. Well, to be honest, Zoom left me with a bit of a

a bit of a scorched earth.

scorched earth. M you are welcome to write to me in the

M you are welcome to write to me in the comments, uh, if you have such a

comments, uh, if you have such a mixed b. Oh, sorry, that was

mixed b. Oh, sorry, that was me.

me. Oops, what now?

Oops, what now? Small irritation, small

Small irritation, small skin irritation on the

skin irritation on the left edge of the eye. Yes, okay. Then

left edge of the eye. Yes, okay. Then maybe we'll look at one more

maybe we'll look at one more little thing that I find really creepy

little thing that I find really creepy . Um, and indeed, a yes, what

. Um, and indeed, a yes, what could you call it? This is a

could you call it? This is a synthesizer, but actually also a

synthesizer, but actually also a scaling device, which, um, chords, similar

scaling device, which, um, chords, similar to HMode Tuning, HMT some of you may know

to HMode Tuning, HMT some of you may know from the Que or something like that and

from the Que or something like that and it's a small device, so you can

it's a small device, so you can see here, it's a very small

see here, it's a very small keyboard here and so on.

keyboard here and so on. A synthesizer is also very handy,

A synthesizer is also very handy, as I said, and it corrects

as I said, and it corrects chords into tune, and

chords into tune, and you can of course

you can of course adjust, rearrange, and transform chords and

adjust, rearrange, and transform chords and put them on these channels up there. This is

put them on these channels up there. This is really, if you take your time to

really, if you take your time to listen to it, you should get it from Aware

listen to it, you should get it from Aware Instruments,

Instruments, that's what they're called, Avare Awrens,

that's what they're called, Avare Awrens, and this device here

and this device here , I think, is the only one there is

, I think, is the only one there is . Uh, that's what he does, that's his

. Uh, that's what he does, that's his specialty. I was wondering if it

specialty. I was wondering if it does that with Medi. No, so

does that with Medi. No, so at the moment it's just about yourself

at the moment it's just about yourself because I'm drunk,

because I'm drunk, right? Uh

right? Uh yes, it does yes, I realize

yes, it does yes, I realize yes, it

yes, it was too obvious. I am a

was too obvious. I am a simple person sometimes. Dancing with

simple person sometimes. Dancing with myself. You know what this lovely

myself. You know what this lovely phrase usually means.

phrase usually means. It's exactly the same here. And uh yeah. Would that

It's exactly the same here. And uh yeah. Would that be something? So, this is a kind of, by the way, these

be something? So, this is a kind of, by the way, these are also waves that you

are also waves that you can go through with

can go through with envelopes and such. But I

envelopes and such. But I actually find the clean tuning very, very

actually find the clean tuning very, very interesting.

interesting. No, not autotune.

No, not autotune. Maybe we need to

Maybe we need to explain again what exactly is a pure mood

explain again what exactly is a pure mood . So if you play a normal

. So if you play a normal chord with a doll,

chord with a doll, you have a slight beating in it because of this

you have a slight beating in it because of this so-called well-tempered tuning.

so-called well-tempered tuning. If you take a different scale and so

If you take a different scale and so on, you always hear slight

on, you always hear slight vibrations. If you were to take them out

vibrations. If you were to take them out , i.e. correct the tones

, i.e. correct the tones , then it wouldn't be like that. For

, then it wouldn't be like that. For example, if you have a three-oscillator

example, if you have a three-oscillator synth, you set the

synth, you set the intervals hard, then they will

intervals hard, then they will naturally stay as they are, and you will have

naturally stay as they are, and you will have no beating in between. But with a

no beating in between. But with a piano that

piano that is normally tuned, that is the case. You can

is normally tuned, that is the case. You can do it for one key, of course, but

do it for one key, of course, but not for all. And that's why we have

not for all. And that's why we have this device, which

this device, which does exactly that in a very versatile way. Yes, exactly. Depending on the

does exactly that in a very versatile way. Yes, exactly. Depending on the key. Very, very important. And that's why there are

key. Very, very important. And that's why there are all these

all these moods that

moods that are optimized for something, but not

are optimized for something, but not always. Why would you need that?

always. Why would you need that? Because that's what

Because that's what I

I actually wanted to say. Well, I think it's

actually wanted to say. Well, I think it's too special and that means something

too special and that means something when I say it's too special for me.

when I say it's too special for me. Swabianism. Levitation. In terms of beats,

Swabianism. Levitation. In terms of beats, two oscillators are of course exactly

two oscillators are of course exactly one octave apart. That

one octave apart. That sounds like a sub-osal hard on it.

sounds like a sub-osal hard on it. If you detune one slightly, it will

If you detune one slightly, it will of course sound a bit wider.

of course sound a bit wider. And then you have a kind of

And then you have a kind of beating, it's called that in English,

beating, it's called that in English, so that you hear a little bit of something

so that you hear a little bit of something and you hear it with

and you hear it with every chord, almost every chord

every chord, almost every chord and you use it when you

and you use it when you go in that direction musically. That

go in that direction musically. That is nice. I especially like this kind of floating

is nice. I especially like this kind of floating . Well, for me, to be

. Well, for me, to be honest, I like this

honest, I like this vibration

vibration and I also like it when it

and I also like it when it 's a bit unpredictable, so that

's a bit unpredictable, so that it really has a certain dynamic of its own

it really has a certain dynamic of its own . I actually don't want

. I actually don't want that to be calculated out in many places

that to be calculated out in many places

. No, no, I think that's a concept. So that's how it

I think that's a concept. So that's how it is for me with most of the

is for me with most of the things that I do,

things that I do, they don't rest, uncle. Let me

they don't rest, uncle. Let me just say briefly, with Wild of it was given as a

just say briefly, with Wild of it was given as a percentage. The microwave had that,

percentage. The microwave had that, you can turn it on and off. With the

you can turn it on and off. With the Virus from Oost 6 and onwards,

Virus from Oost 6 and onwards, they usually do organ

they usually do organ

and then it's in Logic in Cubase and a few other

in Cubase and a few other things, this little, what's the name of the

things, this little, what's the name of the thing? Z3TA TA Plus was a really

thing? Z3TA TA Plus was a really interesting, very versatile

interesting, very versatile synthesizer software and you can

synthesizer software and you can do that with it and this tuning, that's

do that with it and this tuning, that's

a really interesting thing for people who do electronic music, for example, or Detroit Kraftwerk, I'll just call it that. When these things really get going

thing for people who do electronic music, for example, or Detroit Kraftwerk, I'll just call it that. When these things really get going , these chords, I could

, these chords, I could also imagine that

also imagine that things with cords, that

things with cords, that could really hit home. It

could really hit home. It is then very,

is then very, I agree with you when you say that

I agree with you when you say that you make very mathematical music, if

you make very mathematical music, if you want to make raster not, uh, uh,

you want to make raster not, uh, uh, stories or something like that,

stories or something like that, then that can definitely, uh, uh,

then that can definitely, uh, uh, be really appropriate,

be really appropriate, but you do it more with other

but you do it more with other stories than with something like that.

Can you play it for a moment. So, now we've

So, now we've explained that. That's quite difficult

explained that. That's quite difficult because the

because the explanation

explanation comes sometime later.

comes sometime later. I do the following. I'm not going to upload the video

I do the following. I'm not going to upload the video here, but rather in

here, but rather in the explanation on our steady.

the explanation on our steady. You should listen to this. This is your

You should listen to this. This is your homework, you who are sitting here now

homework, you who are sitting here now , if you are interested. There are

, if you are interested. There are two videos now, because you

two videos now, because you have to listen carefully as we

have to listen carefully as we play this along and

play this along and give an idea of what this is about. Uh,

give an idea of what this is about. Uh, it's actually explained here, and

it's actually explained here, and maybe in a way that's daunting,

maybe in a way that's daunting, because there's this very long list of how

because there's this very long list of how it all works.

He explains it at such an incredibly long length and explains how to sound together and he demonstrates at such a long

together and he demonstrates at such a long and elaborate length how you can

and elaborate length how you can

hear the series tuning and the beating and for which chords and why that

for which chords and why that is and how you set it up.

is and how you set it up. Here, of course, is the circle of fifths

Here, of course, is the circle of fifths and things like that are part of

and things like that are part of it. Uh, you don't have to know this technology

it. Uh, you don't have to know this technology because the

because the device does it for you. You can then set it to

device does it for you. You can then set it to do this automatically,

do this automatically, or only in a certain

or only in a certain key or then and then and then, right?

key or then and then and then, right? Well, I find it quite interesting for

Well, I find it quite interesting for certain sounds and styles. Well, I

certain sounds and styles. Well, I would say this Drexia 606

would say this Drexia 606 electric would be really good. But

electric would be really good. But especially with very simple

especially with very simple sounds, almost sinusoidal

sounds, almost sinusoidal cords or even classical.

cords or even classical. That's why I said

That's why I said these classical,

these classical, electronic and mathematical

electronic and mathematical music.

music. Yes, fits well. Detroit,

Yes, fits well. Detroit, listen up,

listen up, we'll listen to the whole thing.

we'll listen to the whole thing. Maybe we won't come

Maybe we won't come back to the show again and I

back to the show again and I 'll let it go because I have to admit

'll let it go because I have to admit , I usually watch

, I usually watch all the stuff that you throw in there,

all the stuff that you throw in there, but I really didn't

but I really didn't watch that, to be honest. So

watch that, to be honest. So the thing is called Mars, the device and the

the thing is called Mars, the device and the company is called Aware Instruments. So,

company is called Aware Instruments. So, if you can look it up,

if you can look it up, he can do that.

he can do that. Otherwise, if you

Otherwise, if you would like to support us, then you are welcome to do so.

would like to support us, then you are welcome to do so.

You can find information in the info box below. Yes, exactly. Double the trouble

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after the show, there will also be our supporter talk on Discord.

our supporter talk on Discord. If you are a supporter, you can find all the information

If you are a supporter, you can find all the information on our blog in

on our blog in the current episode. And otherwise,

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we'll see each other again next week at the latest and we

and we 're out for today.

Thank you very much for watching. Yes, thank you all and come

Yes, thank you all and come to the supporter talk later, because that's where

to the supporter talk later, because that's where we are now, waiting, and

we are now, waiting, and in the meantime I'm trying to get all these

in the meantime I'm trying to get all these links in there and also the

links in there and also the results from the survey on the topic of

results from the survey on the topic of laptops versus not leather trousers,

laptops versus not leather trousers, but hardware. It's just an

but hardware. It's just an attention test that

attention test that 18% didn't understand properly.

18% didn't understand properly. But it makes sense

But it makes sense again next time.

again next time. Bye.

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