This content is a conversation between actors Lauren Graham and Mae Whitman, discussing Graham's new book, her transition into writing, and their shared experiences in acting, particularly on "Parenthood" and "Gilmore Girls."
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I think Ryan we've definitely got it all
downhill from here how many of you were
here last time that's incredible
we're gonna say all the exact same stuff
so you might hear anything nothing is
happening hi my boring nice to see you
thanks for asking me to do this you're
welcome I'm really excited it's so
strange to be here and be I just feel so
lucky and honored I mean that's all right
I love all you so dearly thank you so
much for coming
seems just really a treat to get such a
nice response and this microphone is
very loud and and I couldn't be more
happy to be here with my bestie Mae
Whitman correct
we are indeed BFFs the true it's true
rumors are true I'm really excited to be
here I have questions personally I mean
I the one thing I do want to start with
is this book because look how beautiful
it is first of all the colors can you
believe these spring colors perfect in
time for spring and just kind of tell me
like how this came about
this backstage mariya worried about what
to ask and I said just ask me how things
came about and so now he's just gonna be
there's gonna be a lot of house every
single question is gonna be how to come
about well already so is this is it
sound okay okay okay so so I and this is
in the book but my father called me and
said congratulations you're giving the
Langley high school graduation speech
and I was like did I want to do that I
don't remember he said he said it like
it was a big you know it's like I like I
applied you won the prize what yeah
and I was like with dad I haven't been
to ice you know I haven't even been to
my high school in very many years and I
had a little sister who graduated from
there I wasn't asked to give the speech
that year and so I was like wow and he
was like oh but it's my friend bill who
I play tennis with oh you know bill and
I was like I've no idea were talking and
he said his granddaughter is graduating
so congratulations that's literally how
I was asked to give the graduation at my
high school and it is an extremely
challenging effort to try to think about
where you were at that time and and what
you could possibly say to anyone and so
I worked very hard on trying to think of
positive hopeful helpful things to say
and then my publisher said Oh we'd
really like to publish it and I said
great it's done it's already written
it'll be my first thing I've ever turned
in on time and then they said but can
you change the entire thing soon and I
was like wait what so then it became
something else it because my speech to
my high school was quite specific to my
experience in my high school and and
they wanted something that spoke to a
broader base of people and and so that's
this this little book and and it's not
you know the length of the last book or
anything it's just meant as like a it's
an alternative to dr. Seuss oh that's a
great tagline I believe that's on the
book I mean I would say for me it was
excellent to read this book because I
mean I'm lucky enough that when I have
stresses and pain and fear I can text
you and I get the wealth of knowledge
directly for me but I really honestly
feel like reading this it felt like
things that you had shared with me and
and positive messages to me that
actually really genuinely I apply all
the time to real-life situations so I
think it's really cool that you were
able to sort of give that to everyone
Wow that's very nice I mean honestly
once you start depth what Oh oh my god
should I just like who on your
compliment I don't know I like I'm just
gonna go you may just like the nicest
thing and I'm like I can't here like
don't be bye I am it it was very
humbling and and I keep thinking of more
things I would like to say I might do a
graduation book a year because times are
changing so much the yes days with kids
in school and technology and there's
it's well and me I have a teen in in my
life and I see you know he's 16 now and
I see what he's facing what he's going
through and just the incredible work
that you know the the teens from Florida
did this year and you know and the title
came from my editor Jenny Smith Jen Jen
loves to be pointed out in the crowd I'm
sure but it it occurred as a result of
when I went through the point I kept
trying to make over and over was there
are all these big life moments that we
feel pressure to think have to be some
certain way and I feel like graduation
is one of those times where you are
taking stock you're sort of you've
finished something in your at the
beginning of something else you know
these these moments that are supposed to
feel like something and for me anyway
hardly any of them did I mean I talked
about this in the book but all I really
remember about my high school graduation
day was thinking like you know what
party was I gonna get invited to and
like whose brother was gonna buy us wine
cooler you know and I was just so
overwhelmed and sort of in shock you
know and and that's been my experience
in so many big life moments you know I
like on in the car on the way to the
Golden Globes the year I was
nominated whoever I was in the car with
like a work person who was like
screaming on the yelling on the well
yelling screaming doesn't sound nice he
was loudly it just was one of those
moments where I was like I don't know
what is supposed to be happening right
now but I don't think this is my ideal
scenario of like you know it just felt
so strange and I was kind of dating a
guy who then ignored like it's all the
things I thought about was was all the
life things not the like this is a big
day and you know I'm I feel proud and it
just never kind of turns out that way I
feel like I had that when I was like a
child actor and people always ask me
like what was it like working with you
know etc etc and I remember things like
he George Clooney bought me chicken
nuggets one so it's really cool but
there's like no real you know it's all
like flashes of little yeah and then
life stuff that kind of you clip the
other yeah and I think on those big you
know it's graduation or any kind of big
moment it you can't always you can't
always understand it all at the at the
time but you like me better than Sandra
Bullock though right
I am sure bullet I don't even know who
that is she played your mom along okay
yeah I mean I could also throw the
question in your face who's your
yeah let's save it but I do want to talk
a little bit about like writing just
like what that like for you and what
kind of as made you want to be a writer
and how is it different from acting and
just kind of in general what your
writing process is well part of part of
starting to write was a real desire to
be in charge of my own story and that
just evolved out of years and years of
being an actor and having a relationship
to the material normally both on
Parenthood and on Gilmore Girls there
was wonderful material to work with but
I the way I read scripts now is almost
in opposition to them I started to
notice you know what I mean like I would
read something and I'd be like god I
really wish she said this and I really
wish this happened I really wish like I
started sort of having that relationship
to a lot of what I read and you know I
was a reader from very young age reading
and books were a big deal in my house it
was it was a way I I just escaped it was
a way I used my imagination you know my
father was one of those parents who
would say like you'd ask a question he'd
be like look it up there's a book on
that look it up you can learn the word
hi Gary I so I just grew up with that as
like that's the solution if you have a
question you what you write a book and
read a book about it and and and it just
I've talked about this before but there
was a moment on in the trailer at
Parenthood where I just had a finally
all of the experiences I had caught up
with me almost in a moment where I
suddenly thought god I was like I had
three jobs and I was wait waiting tables
and I was tutoring and I was doing all
this stuff and I was just thinking will
I ever get out of this grind will I ever
be able
do the thing I dream of doing and here I
am doing it I've been doing it for a
long time and that connection to who
that person was who had the balls to do
have that dream and I just thought was
like thinking it was like crazy you know
and and that's kind of where the first
book came from I started thinking about
who was that person and and you know
it's me but not it was the character of
who who is that and what what
perspective can I bring to it now you
know and I just started writing and
since then I have learned so much and
have had a bunch of you know we adapted
the Royal we
I'm adapting Jen at one of Jen Smith's
books I islets I've written a couple
pilots for Ellen DeGeneres's company I
just had all these you know cool
opportunities and and and I feel I have
more to learn but I I'm really finding a
lot of satisfaction in in writing and
and it's much harder to do then then
acting but you know there's a there's a
strange when you've had two good TV
shows it's really hard to find a third
and and so it gives me some creative
outlet and it gives me a way to express
myself while I try to find whatever you
know the next acting job is and I mean
that's kind of the dream I mean
especially for me to just you know
piggyback on you because it there's
first of all there's really no one who
knows me better and I think it's true
when you get to because at least
personally for me Parenthood was such an
intimate experience and we really so
much of ourselves was in that show and
we were really able to be present and be
there with each other and I just love
the concept now that I think it's kind
of a double-edged sword where there is
this world where you really can create
things for yourself and for people
around you and you
can express you can tell your own story
it's just sort of up to you to do it and
I feel you know so lucky that we've
gotten it that's like my dream is that
we have like a little office with like
an old-timey detective our names on the
door and we just like you know with a
fan and a typewriter and they're like a
manual typewriter clacking away like the
hats and stuff yeah yeah that's my dream
and we just like think of stuff and we
work on things together so I mean well
and it is a little bit what we do I mean
we I bounce
every idea I have off of you in a way
the person I'm writing for I'm much more
comfortable writing for you you know in
your age then I am myself for some
reason and what we've found is some some
of what we like is just not in fashion
right now like boy is a romantic comedy
like not an easy sell and and it's
strange to me because I want something
soothing as an antidote to what is so unsuited
unsuited
I just want happy positive stories
romance and and you know sometimes we've
gone to pitch these things and they're
like yeah unless there's like a killer
and a vampire we are not interested in
and I'm like how many more stressful TV
shows can we possibly come up with like
it's time travel and it's shooting and I
can't just am not interested and and but
it's hard to and it's the thing about
Gilmore Girls that I still found even
when we did the second time around
people would underestimate how powerful
the happiness of it was yeah and and how
much people responded to it partially
because of that it's a happy world it's
a happy relationship yes there are
challenges but you know it's there there
will always be dancing girls and miss
Patty's and fairy lights and the gazebo
and like there's something about that
that I really have seen you know that is
part of the joy that that show brought
to people it's it's a safe world and
and I still think there's a bit of oh
but that's for girls or oh that's for
teens or oh you know that's not it it it
almost because of that it it somehow
contradicted the intelligence of the
script almost and and I just think
that's a that's a shame because I I
think you know that kind of positivity
is why the show is stuck around I think
the second that anyone watches it I mean
you can watch it for five minutes and
and just see that yes the world is so
soothing and wonderful and it is
positive and happy but it's so
intelligent the writing is just so
snappy and so in - thank you brilliantly done
done
I wish Amie was here I mean in Amy's in
France doing her doing mrs. Mazal but
yeah which is awesome but yeah she's a
really special talent and and anyway I
mean even you know I again and really my
father who was like Lauren's biggest fan
he's like literally always texting me
like I watched an old episode of you
know Late Night with Lauren on it and
she is just so I'm like dad don't google
old episodes of things but Lauren in it
my best friend just rocked but really
like you know he watched all of Gilmore
Girls and the new one and he was like
just blown away by how wonderful it is
and it's true it's the joy of positivity
I mean it's you know like you were
saying the the world is in such a
stressful place right now that I think
everybody is feeling really rundown and
overwhelmed and it's so helpful to it's
almost like meditation in a way you take
your brain out of that situation so that
when you come back to it you have a new
perspective and you're feeling better
yourself you know and you can sort of
apply yourself in the real world better
but did you find like writing the book
talking as fast as I can I mean that
must have been so different because
before that you'd written someday
someday maybe well everything has been
different I'm I'm I'm I'm anxious to or
now I've started to work in a format
I've worked in before it just happened
that the first thing that kind of came
to me
was fiction and then the second one was
this book of essays and then I'm a
roadie one-hour script and then I wrote
a half-hour script and I was like wow
I'd really like to just do one of these
twice so that I could learn apply what I
would I've learned I really enjoyed in
terms of what was more the most fun to
write the essays was really fun and and
it is still the way things come to me in
terms of I think of the chapter titles
first what's the one we came up with
today d uh well I mean know which one I
mean there's so many good do you want a
spoiler it's gonna be a nerd okay
I mean hey there's really the best ones
dyo pillowcase do I open the case I wish
I went to a hotel some of these are it's
sort of variations of how I am thinking
about aging or you know aging I'm trying
to make it some other thing but it's
really aging aging or some more
attractive than that but but you know I
went to this hotel and I I got a rash
from whatever they washed the sheets in
and I was like oh my god am i that
person now I'm gonna have to bring my
own sheets and pillowcases
it'll a hotel's because like I'm so
sensitive it's my skin I couldn't Oh God
so anyway that was one but there was
something else we were talking about I
mean our podcast art well this is yeah
that I've been trying to convince Lauren
to do a podcast with me for like four hours
hours
it came as a joke because literally
every single one of our friends as a
podcast and I'm like oh god we got to go
beyond I just did Dax this podcast he's
trying to get you to cut it's fantastic
he's wonderful he's also my neighbor it
couldn't have been easier I just like
walked over to his house but it's I
think it's Kevin Pollak who said
podcasts are the new jury duty like you
don't really feel like it but you like
gotta do it cuz it's your buddy and I
but so we started kidding
about what would we do if we had a
podcast and we can't stop talking about
it I know even though it exists are
non-existent podcasts that I'm gonna
insist we record right when we get home
and Jeff Mae's dad who is my other
boyfriend is a sound engineer so it's
like yeah he's gonna buy it sound really
I mean what is there what more can we
say I mean all we do is this for hours
every day I don't understand the question
question
can't we let everyone else in on the fun
well we have a book club as a part of
our we have a book club is part of our
podcast but does exist well I mean it's
sort of to me based a little bit on if
you read talk as fast as I can there's a
chapter my personal favorite chapter
about old lady Jackson which is the
character that Loren created so that it
which is sort of the more conservative
version that is sort of an uncool
version who gets upset whenever miles
and I get tattoos or piercings or
detecting many she um I created this
character I wrote about in my book
because I created this character because
I found myself talking to May and miles
as if I was some like grumpy parents and
and I was like wow I I I'm just really
not cool anymore
I got a and so I kind of separated
myself and I was like it sounds like I
played this character like she's of
stick-in-the-mud but I'm still fun but
so our podcast would have a section
about like things that I complain about
yeah old ladies but it's not me it's old
lady yeah of course I usually so yeah if
I got more tattoos and did crazy stuff
all the time that no more tattoos look
can you believe it I mean enough already
because they're of like sheep and
circles and stuff
can you guys believe anyway tune in to
our podcast for more right show them as
I said hits the this man there's not
sure man
but I'm it's really complicated okay
Haven but miles can I have matching ones
okay mild is my sheep and the circle and
see it they're all have very significant
first of all you're a beautiful girl
you're we gonna fantastic but it looks
like it looks like some it looks like
she took a pen and just like it's like
when you were like a crazy
hello is that what it's called chicken
poke I mean what do I have to teach you
how this is literally people have been
doing it for centuries it's a ceremonial
this is exactly my issue with it it
looks like something you did yourself
and now you're telling me you basically
first of all first of all only a couple
of them were done by people that are not
a few artists it's a very listen you
know what I'm gonna post later on the
internet some pictures of my tattoos and
you can tell me if they're cool or not
cool I have a very cool obviously I'm
gonna stop I'm sure my parents are like
yes no more tattoos watching this live
stream right now so excited about it but
I mean I do a little bit want to talk
about like Parenthood and yeah so I just
I one of my first memories of Lauren is
you know she was like the coolest ever
and we were on a huge cast and I was
probably I think like 21 when we started
I think I think I was the only one and I
remember I had just no like no clue
what's going to know I was I remember I
we had only been working together for a
few months and I remember I was talking
to you really early on like probably
within the first week or two of filming
with you and I told you that I loved to
cook but I had no like nice pans of any
kind and I was like oh my frigging pan
got burned and the thing cuz it's a
piece of [ __ ] like it was like a whole
thing if I can say that but anyway
you're good okay okay and then I
remember like four months later it was
Christmas and you gave me like the most
beautiful la Cruz a skillet that I still
is the only nice fan I have but like
I was like who is this that she
remembered and within the first week of
us meeting you were so considerate that
you like remembered this tossed off
comments and I was immediately like wow
I love her like and it really like took
off from there I mean so generous so
kind I wanted to start your Luke recycle
you did an important you just it's still
starting it's right there at the
beginning there it is
I just remember you know I came to the
cast late and he normally even even if
you weren't auditioning they would bring
you in you'd meet you'd have a chemistry
you'd have lunch you'd have something
and we didn't have any of that and I
just can remember the first day we all
met and it was really an instant feeling
of don't make that what happens folks
and we really took our family seriously
and and really it continues I mean we'll
say yeah it's when it really one of the
only experiences where I feel like I've
become close with someone and then I
actually went went even when the show
ended I was sad but it didn't affect me
in the way I knew that I was gonna
actually see more of you guys outside of
work and that's really continued I mean
we're like everyday boring like banal go
to the DMV partners like we really do
like the stupidest everyday stuff
together and I mean we really formed
such a tight bond and I think you know a
lot a big part of that too was we were
able to do some improv on the show and I
think that was such a special feeling
and you know people always say to us
like oh there you guys were always
crying so much and in the crying and I'm
like yeah because we would literally
have rehearsals where we'd sort of go in
and say what is this scene what's what
do we need to hit what are the points of
this and then we would go in and you
know you're working with somebody like
Lauren Graham and I would just go in
there and the second those baby blues
water up I mean what am I going to do
my mind you know it's it's also very
funny to me you know I had a real issue
with emotional scenes before that show I
am a very verbal person gilmoregirls was
perfect for me in that time because it
has and had a an almost theatrical
language to it which I loved and it and
it wasn't some it was so much about
talking and and verbal communication and
way less about behavioral sort of you
know close-ups and moments and stuff and
and I had had issues in work before when
I was supposed to cry on cue and it
always gave me such a panic as a made me
feel like you know as an actor that I
was really blocked and it just flew out
the window on parenthood
I and I don't know if it's the time of life
life
you guys this the subject matter the
scenes I mean it was it was really an
incredible experience and now this is us
we paved the way I like to think it's an
extension of our family I'm still on
beat NBC yeah Rachel really the best the
best oh love is just happy to be here
thanks for having me back yeah I mean I
think it was all those things though but
really it's like I think another thing
is we really were able to bring I mean
again that show was not about anything
enormous it was not explosions or guns
or any of this crazy stuff that is so
extreme and yet to me it felt like the
most extreme job I've ever had because
it was very honest and it was we really
took these people's lives seriously and
I think especially when you are able to
improvise and especially when you're
there literally was not a bad egg in the
group like everyone loved each other so
much and in such a real way that I feel
like we really fell in love with the
characters and we really wanted their
stories to be told right and I just feel
like we've really felt like family with
our characters and with each other and I
think it just made it made the
experience so the experience was
incredible and old-lady Jackson used to
say to the kids you will never have
another one like this you're like he's
maybe done by like three o'clock in the
afternoon I was like no this is not
normal and we blew you off and now
you're know right now I know now she
like calls me from good girl she's like
it's 2:00 in the morning I mean what is
happening and I'm like that's just
normal filming like smug about it I
don't know why it is although I will say
in Parenthood I had my first experience
where I at times felt frustrated within
the world of my character where I
realized I had never played that you
know you play these characters over
years and and it would frustrate me when
first of all when Sarah would start a
new career and then drop it where'd the
playwriting go
yeah play you play Atlantis I gave it
all up I don't know
she's a jack-of-all-trades okay but I
mean I kind of wanted to do one or the
other like I thought when I first
started I thought okay this is a story
about someone who's really has not been
able to get what she wanted and I was
really intrigued by that you know I I
love the you don't want to always play a
hero you know I liked the idea
especially that it was another single
mom but to me it was so different
because I really thought we were gonna
see her struggle and then that's not
really the show we were doing the show
we were doing was something you know
more hopeful and so we'd get these
little wins and but I couldn't I
couldn't get a handle on it in the same
way do you know like I couldn't quite I
didn't want it be to be defined by what
relationship she was in but that's you
know but you kind of that's TV a little
bit you know people fall in love with
you know a couple hood or they root for
people to be together and I have a
question are you yes every why are you
talking are you know this is important question
question
are you team seer or team
Hank Rizzoli that's little there was a
big triangle going on in Parenthood that
was with Jason Ritter and Ray Romano and
Jason still gets really upset whenever
we talk about it so I hope he's not
watching I of course will never answer
that question I know the TV daughter
question all over I will just say I
really fell in love I'm in I am in love
with Jason Ritter I'm in love with Ray
Romano I I loved I loved how how
relentlessly hard on himself ray always
was and and it cuz it's really true it's
not it's not an act you know he's like
am I doing this right yeah I just loved
and ideally he worked so hard he was he
wasn't really it was incredible and he
you know he's just one of those artists
who he can't rest on what he's done
already you know and and he was always
so helpful to comics starting out and he
would go do you know someone's a brand
new show you know to kind of be
supportive and as a one of my first jobs
out of college was a as a cocktail
waitress at the improv comedy club and I
saw I saw ray go on like right before he
kind of got brought out to Hollywood and
every time I tell him that I say you
know I was the waitress when you were
there he goes did I hit on you which no
he didn't and I'm like do not remember
we already had this conversation no you
didn't but so that was really cool you
know just to see someone who I'd seen
right kind of you know start starting
out and so I really I really loved the
Jason Ritter is in the chain gang which
is a serious thing
so if you're a member of our family you
have we have a chain yeah and and it has
a charm right which they don't make
anymore so Jason doesn't have a charge
because they only need energy we're like
three left in the world and miles and I
found this charm which was it's a little
tiny bucket of champagne which felt
appropriate and and literally yeah Jason
doesn't but he has the chain that's just
the chain yeah yeah bad Toby's not
watching this but yeah it was really
that it was the most special experience
it was a really special experience also
I had never had the experience of
knowing a show was ending and being able
to being able to to give it a say I you
know and and that was that was a very
different feeling that I mean I I still
can't believe that Gilmore Girls on
Netflix happened it was thank you
I tried my best to write about it in
talking as fast as I can I can't do it
justice I I just will never be able to
explain what everyday felt like it was
an incredible gift to after all that
time to be able to go back to something
I loved so much and had missed so much
and be in it in a way that I couldn't
possibly have done at the beginning and
have the relationship I then had with
Amy you know who who really after all
those years like treated me like a peer
and we just all did it together and it
was I I probably cried every day and and
and and and it was just exhilarating it
was it was the best feeling I'll
probably ever have has an actor and and
there's an incredible depression that
comes with that because I read things
now and I'm like what am i I'm gonna go
do this now like after after I did that
like you know it's it's almost
depressing it's like it's like I got to
do and even if it whatever the outcome
you know the experience was just beyond
words and and that I got to have that
once is incredible and and it's really a
you know coming back to graduation or
big moments or something it's in it's so
hard to have a big moment and be in it
at the same time and I almost think you
it has to be a do-over it has to be a
second time or you know somehow where
you realize how valuable and how rare
the person you're with or the job you
have or the day you're having you know I
and I got to have that feel and you got
to give it a proper I mean albeit who
knows if it's forever but a real yeah
I'm trying guys I'm trying to get some
info for you I don't see it's I feel
very satisfied I think had it been like
fuller house where they're like okay
keep going you know that would have been
something different yeah it and what I
mean by which I mean they did one season
and then they immediately invited them
back to do another one this this always
felt like more of a special like a
limited series yeah no it didn't feel to
me like yeah the format was a smattering
so that did it feel different as you
were filming it I mean the scripts were
always like 40 pages too long for the
format you know and and oh we're gonna
be here for seven hours oh my god I hope
you brought your sleeping bags [Laughter]
[Laughter] [Music]
the scripts were incredibly long it felt
it felt like the same show it felt like
what she always wanted to do you know it
felt like there's some writers really
struggle with you know filling up the
pages Amy Palladino is not one of those
and and all she kept saying to me you
know when before I'd even read anything
she was like notecards so many note
cards she had she had whole storylines
that she cut for time that's how she
works you know and and also she these
characters are so alive for her and we
were all that excited to what if this
and what if that and you know where
where else can we take them kind of but
I do think that's probably where where
it is where we leave you this is where I
do have a question about I just love I
mean to me one of the most amazing
things I've ever seen is the scene and
fall and I just have the fall episode of
Gilmore Girls the phone call that you
have and I really I mean I the things
that you do on that show anyway like I
really can barely get out of bed in the
morning and remember to do like anything
and I just don't already you have to be
so sharp and present and I just felt
like and I remember you know having
dinner with you in the days leading up
to that and just sort of talking about
what that and you were you know oddly
Zen about it and I just I wonder what
your process was and with that scene and
sort of what it meant to you and what it
was like so during the original show I
kept saying to Amy you know this show is
known now for the language and for these
lengthy speeches we should do the
longest speech that's ever been done
like what that would be so the show you
know just one long monologue and she
would always sort of be like uh-huh okay
and like she was just like wow and so
when we came back to do the Netflix she
kept saying remember that thing you used
to always say about about doing him
really you know just doing a really long
speech she said I think I found a place
where it would really make sense but you
know we started filming I hadn't read
anything that she didn't have it all
written and and
and then and I wrote about this but then
for the longest time she she kept saying
you know there's this thing in fall that
I hope you really respond to and I was
so scared to read it I was so scared to
read that episode I was so scared to
read the end you know and I was so not
ready to let it go
I think you know and and so I avoided it
for the longest time and because how
they did the backlot we had to do it in
order of seasons because you can't clean
up all that snow and you know do a
different scene the next day so we did
fall it was one of the my last days of
work and the script was one of I we were
months into shooting and she'd be like
did you did you read fall yet and I was
like I can't I can't and I sat down one
day and I read it and I just cried
through the whole thing and and then I
got to that speech that still obviously
is very upsetting that you know it's
just it it's just it was such a strange
combination of piece of material tied to
a person I loved and lost and and it
felt to me like it's really a tribute to
him you know it's it's sort of I I want
to it gets all mixed up but I want to
honor his memory somehow you know and
that's what I feel like was thematically
an undercurrent of really the whole show
you know and and and the what we all
connect to is you know losing somebody
loving somebody it's just so human and
so relatable and so that day well first
of all I didn't want to have to call for
line I didn't want to have to do a bunch
of takes I didn't want to beat it to
death and so I did something I hadn't
really ever done before which is I just
recorded myself very flat like not
acting but
just the words and I would play it in
the in the car just so it was so in my
body that I wouldn't have to be like
acting or like you know looking for it
or whatever and and then we just got to
the day and and they were like okay so
it's one shot which we do a lot on the
show and we did a lot back in the old
days you know most scenes in television
it's like two pages three pages we'd
have 11 page scenes that we were doing
everybody had to be perfect
the camera operator the lines the
background the everything it became
these massive choreographed you know
sort of collaborations and they take a
long time and and so this was outside
and you have to worry about the Sun and
where it is and and so anyway yeah we
just you know we just ended up doing it
just really two maybe two times and and
and I've just felt happy with it I felt
you know I felt because the worry always
when you Jack yourself up and want
something to be something is that you
know you can get there and be like oh
I'm dead inside
Oh like you know you can get there and
just be like oh my brain and heart have
left the building
and and there's real fear with that you
kind of you know you're your own
instrument and you're not always like
ready to play or whatever and sometimes
you have to fake it and sometimes you
have to manufacture whatever and and so
I did feel like and this is really
accuracy but you know it also to me was
something about the show about that
and and a loss that I really hadn't
processed I mean it happened during you
know the the last year the second last
year of the first Gilmore Girls and you
know my mom passed and I couldn't be
there and and I just sort of like kept
going and and so really for me
personally that was a big piece of of
this second show is I just felt her
presence and I felt I felt that loss in
a in a way through the characters you
well I'm sure you don't have any touch
that happen okay I have we have to get
yeah okay do you want to go first
sure how okay I'll go first I feel okay
go ahead okay Elyse from Bon Appetit
magazine Tasha's recipe tips Horan you
wish Lauren yes what's your favorite knit
[Applause]
thank you okay
Lauren what's your favorite neighborhood
restaurant in Virginia why do you love
it and what do you order oh wow
first of all I never really eat out in
Virginia interesting my dad when it was
just the two of us we ate out all the
time and and it's but it's like places
that probably don't exist anymore I mean
it's it's like Clyde's in Georgetown
it's like where my father goes yeah yeah
it's good okay what do I order and why
wait this is not a good enough answer
for bone Appetit magazine yeah I ought
to be not exactly cover story if you're
not in it I order the foie gras terrine
we can I sure that was my all right
thanks that's great
wait how do you separate the voices
you've played from your voice as an
author mm-hmm
I think if I if I understand correctly I
think finding your author voice is it's
an ever-evolving thing one of my
favorite parts of when I get to write
fiction and dialogue is I get to play
all the characters and and I get to not
play me that's really fun for me you
know I just wrote something it's a child
prodigy piano player in high school and
there's her there's the sort of mean
valedictorian guy who I envisioned as
like a young Trump and like like he just
you know kind of a businesslike he's
just focused on the politics and the
business in the future and like doesn't
care you know that was really what we
focus today and you know I got to be her
parents I got to be the guidance
counselor who I thought wouldn't it be
interesting if like you see these
guidance counselors who are like just
the greatest people I was like what if
it's his first day and he's doesn't
really have any answers for her either
and you know stuff it just it's most fun
for me too especially little characters
because when I first started I was
always you know auditioning for like hey
who needs water like like the most
boring like no I didn't okay that worked
it were characters in it you know and so
I always try even if some even if a
character is like a tiny bit of real
estate to give them something to give
them a little color a little I always
think like if I was the actor coming in
you know with four lines can it just be
you know you there's a feeling of a
person there so and then you know when I
wrote the essays I just really tried to
write it as I would speak it which isn't
the most right early kind of approach
but I thought for such a talky kind of
book where I just wanted to tell stories
you know that was that's one of the most
amazing things to me about you is how
you're able to write and it really feels
like you're hanging out with it's really
that's what it's like when you read
these books it's you're so able to be so
honest and present its it's amazing to
me that you're able to translate your
okay you mentioned starting a book club
what books are you currently reading or
what are your favorites
I'm always reading like four books at
the same time and I've read every single
and when I'm writing I like to read
books that I could never write and have
nothing to do with anything that I do so
I've read every book that starts with
the woman in Cabin not that one or
whatever with a woman in the window the
woman in on the tree girl on the tree
window like although because I think one
of my great weaknesses as a writer is
construction and plot and those books
are that's what they are and I'm even
the crappiest one I'm like wow and then
it's the guy who did it who blows my
mind so I like like I like I like a
thriller like a mystery or Stephen King
I read a lot of Stephen King I'm reading
The Immortal lists right now
reading and any of my friends books you
know I just like got to know Jenny Han
boy
this is going and now I get to it's one
of the accomplishments I'm most proud of
is which is just kind of happened to me
this year so I have this incredible
editor Jen Smith who really is
responsible for this cool concurrent
career I am I'm having who is an
extremely Pleasant taskmaster which i
think is such a like feat to pull off
the combination of like get it done but
still smiling like she's so encouraging
and positive and helpful and and I get
invited now to write with her sometimes
and with Jenny Han and I feel really
cool so jealous
um Oh amber Martinez wants to know when
you're writing more than one project at
a time do they ever influence each other
yes yes and no I mean one thing that's
fun about working on more than one thing
at a time is if you get tired of
something have you get tired of yourself
in one vein you can go somewhere else
and I and I actually find that really
helpful to like you hit a wall it's
frustrating work on something else for a
while and in fact that's part of the don
roose kitchen timer thing I really like
this a lot which is in my last book
which is just a method of working and
says if you if you can't if you're stuck
on the project you're working on you can
go work on something else but you can't
like get up and make a phone call you
know you have to like be kind of
switching back and forth do you feel
that so called low stakes storytelling
receives the respect and recognition it
deserves from industry voters no I don't
um you know what she means by this I
didn't even hear you talk so fast like
friggin Gilmore Girls in here am i right
hey come on so I think this is sort of
what I was talking about in terms of
Gilmore Girls being a knot knot or
something or even Parenthood like it's
not an event-driven show it's not
homeland it's not the Americans no one's
a spy that we know yeah you don't know
that and I do think that it's not like
to industry whoever they are it doesn't
feel as sexy sometimes it doesn't get
the kind of attention of like a higher
premise show but I have a question if
you if you thought somebody on
parenthood one of the characters on
Parenthood was a spy who do you think it
would be obviously Bonnie Bedelia
obviously not even Delia she's so warm
and cozy Italy oh sure yeah I was gonna
say miles I was gonna say drew just cuz
he's like quiet and like internal he's
probably reporting everything back again
corners back to the big boy upstairs Wow unbelievable
unbelievable
lives none of him I know well how about
our little miles can you like miles 13
reasons why what a cool guy can you
believe it's my turn for Lauren
what is your favorite bookstore in New
York City uh and why Jackson in what
sections do you spend a lot of the time
pursuing the books
hmm also do you know how amazing
talented hilarious and a plethora of
other adjectives you are that's from
Lori thanks Lori thanks Lori
yeah it's mcnally Jackson and and in LA
it's skylight because there are
neighborhood indeed and there's so few
of them anymore I was like to see what
the staff recommendations are I I am
intrigued when I when I did my first
book I would look for it in the regular
section and sometimes it was there and
sometimes it was in romance which I was
like it's just a funny distinction I
feel like that again just gets my like
woman stuff up yeah so where I'm like
I'm like why you gotta call it Roman
woman read but also it's like isn't
their romance in so many things and it
just felt it feels sometimes to me first
of all I think in these giant bookstores
they're just trying to help you
differentiate you know what your
interests might be but I don't know
my dad is 63 he's a blue-collar worker
and he drinks Budweiser and he loves
Gilmore Girls this is not technically a
question but hey by the way old lady
Jackson needs her reading glass I'm like
we're over there you're starting okay
for Lauren and me what are you currently
netflix inc
Oh from Taylor Randolph I just finished
wild wild country oh so did you yeah Wow
great so stressful do you know what I
can't believe I hadn't seen already from
but it's Amazon is fleabag have you guys
seen food so good haven't seen it yet
and now that I've told you this I can't
steal her device which I love which is
she's the only one who does asides to
the camera it's not it's sort of if you
haven't seen it it's it's almost she's
in her own kind of documentary like
she's including you
by breaking the fourth wall but none of
the other characters do it
which I just for that storytelling just
works so well but I think her writings
really fantastic and also she's a great
actor mmm what's just quietly read the
questions yeah I'm like oh that's a good
one that's a great one yeah up here do
you have a gun I'll just throw this in
there well we're looking for one what
are your hobbies
from Juliana I'm obviously Gryffindor
just so you know I'm not sure if you
know what that means you're like snuggle
pop no clue I want to say you're like
ravenclaw just cuz you're so yeah don't
you think I totally am um Jen Smith is
always mad that I haven't read all the
Harry Potter's and now too
now the joke's on me here's one how many
cups of coffee do you think you drank on
the set of Gilmore Girls
that's from Natalie age 13 a lot
probably too much I I was a head of cold
a couple weeks ago and I was like maybe
I drink tea I think I'm gonna switch to
tea and then I was like geez gross I
can't I can't I can't reach a nice long
I just saw oh here's one this is kind of
fun if you could play any of each
other's past roles which shoes oh thanks
Ali such a fun question I mean you were
so little
what could I be I mean you were so young
and aw oh I would like to have been the
Duff for sure oh yeah totally
you'd have been a great Duff I mean
imagine it I said bill any other [ __ ]
oh sorry
if I imagine if I wanted to do anything
other than play Lorelai but I never
could because I can't my brain just is
so slow the slowest train you could do
it it would be like the longest TV
series ever well Rory how do you say
that nonexistent definitely not a thing
that should be on our podcast yeah
doesn't exist it's gonna be on our
non-existent podcast our podcast might
be called kids today what do you think
you think you guys have any suggestions
I'm definitely gonna be a segment of old
lady job lady Jackson had her own
segment also book club yeah it's really
what gave me the confidence to take on
writing as an actor honestly almost
nothing I've ever done did I have the
confidence to do honestly I I still
can't believe I don't I don't even
believe I'm sitting here like I but I've
gotten so used to that like that I just
ignore it like I still feel it's a fair
amount of anxiety in starting to pursue
anything and after a while I kind of was
like well that's stupid because I'm
gonna Rob myself of trying things and
who cares if I don't who cares if I'm
not as good as I want to be maybe I'll
learn maybe I'll get better do you know
what I mean it's like I I did not have
confidence I just had Drive and that has
gotten me down the road you know what I
mean and and like I think if you wait
for your self-esteem to catch up you
might be waiting a long time so I just
try to put my focus in work like if I
just the more I'm talking myself out of
something the more I just need to shut
that off and write some pages and and
just get to work mm-hmm it sounded kind
of serious can you are you okay to hand
me the small writing ones I can't read
anything okay here's one that I just
think is really fun hi Lauren we tried
something to ask that has more substance
but I've been looking for the perfect
bell-sleeve dress and where did you get yours
yours
Rachel that's from Rachel this is a
company called ALC and I got it at
Barneys okay thank you
Thanks oh here what was it like working
with Larry David oh my god so cool I
love Larry David so much in a weird way
he reminds me of my dad which I know
sounds creepy but my father that's my
father sense of humor kind of he's my
father is always really harping on about
like really little things
I am occasionally in a poker game and
I'm the worst poker player like I it's a
part of my brain that I go into like an
anxiety state that's like I'm like three
of a kind is that better or worse than
four of a kind is that like I just can't
keep it straight in my aunt in my mind
and it's so frustrating and so we play
and he's a very good poker player and he
always wins which like the richest
person walks away with the money because
it doesn't aim for money like they're
not kidding around and so I had played
in this game a couple times and in the
absence of skill I try to be
entertaining at these at these dinners
and but I never knew like I was always
like you know Larry's like one of those
people were you like you go you drive
home in the car and you're like does he
does Larry like me do you think I'm
funny you think I'm trying to be funny
if you think I'm trying too hard and
like so I never kind of knew and then he
called me and he said I got a I got a
part for you on the show by the way my
Larry David am I Ray Romano very it's
really too similar much the same yeah
the same could put a little more frog
enos into the Ray I feel like they were
I'm working on it it'll be better they
all just have New York accent yeah but
he said it's it's very dirty and I said
that's okay I don't care and then I was
like wait a minute wait a minute what do
you mean and he's like he's like well
you know it's pretty dirty pretty pretty
and it's like it's probably it's sort of
that's the only that's again that's my
only impression and then I got there on
the first day and it's we're having our
first date and I went like beet red and
and and they were like so just say you
know some like the dirtiest gross it's
like some more sexual things you can
think of and I was like so salad
literally I couldn't think of anything anything and they had to feed me so
anything and they had to feed me so they're screaming because it's all
they're screaming because it's all improvised you get like a you get like a
improvised you get like a you get like a outline this is my dream kind of job
outline this is my dream kind of job like you got an outline and then you
like you got an outline and then you just make up all the dialogue and it's
just make up all the dialogue and it's so much fun but when it came to any of
so much fun but when it came to any of the dirty stuff and then the poor
the dirty stuff and then the poor producers like I don't I can't he can't
producers like I don't I can't he can't any of the stuff that I said because
any of the stuff that I said because it's too jarring he was like he'd yell
it's too jarring he was like he'd yell stuff out and I'd be like yeah so anyway
stuff out and I'd be like yeah so anyway the like I'm so and then we had this
the like I'm so and then we had this scene with Ted Danson and all the people
scene with Ted Danson and all the people at the at the dinner table and I had to
at the at the dinner table and I had to do it again this is like days later and
do it again this is like days later and Ted was like whoo I can't wait to hear
Ted was like whoo I can't wait to hear what you're gonna come up with and I
what you're gonna come up with and I literally and I think this is what they
literally and I think this is what they used I was like oh I went out with this
used I was like oh I went out with this guy and he left cracker crumbs in the
guy and he left cracker crumbs in the bed he was dirty and and Ted Ted was
bed he was dirty and and Ted Ted was like Ted was like you know with HBO you
like Ted was like you know with HBO you can you can let loose and I was like oh
can you can let loose and I was like oh no Ted that was not letting loose and
no Ted that was not letting loose and Mike's again poor thing
Mike's again poor thing so anyway besides that it was I had like
so anyway besides that it was I had like the time of my life and I loved I loved
the time of my life and I loved I loved them so much I wish that was like my
them so much I wish that was like my regular job um how long did it take you
regular job um how long did it take you to sign all those books I signed all
to sign all those books I signed all these books first of all I flew in last
these books first of all I flew in last night I got here at 5:00 in the morning
night I got here at 5:00 in the morning and was confused made popcorn slept for
and was confused made popcorn slept for a couple hours and then
a couple hours and then came here and so what did that take us
came here and so what did that take us two hours to sign us as if may
technically lorina Jason come on so it takes like I can do like a couple
so it takes like I can do like a couple hundred books in an hour but oh here's
hundred books in an hour but oh here's something some if my signature starts
something some if my signature starts getting really crummy then I put a heart
getting really crummy then I put a heart on your book cuz I feel bad
on your book cuz I feel bad and also also on the first books and the
and also also on the first books and the last books I do like a little doodle so
last books I do like a little doodle so you either have my hand cramp or first
you either have my hand cramp or first or last books if you have a if you have
or last books if you have a if you have a little heart oh my god this one's
a little heart oh my god this one's funny hey Lauren and May when will you
funny hey Lauren and May when will you reprise their roles as Hamilton rappers
reprise their roles as Hamilton rappers Michelle mine can we tell the story of
Michelle mine can we tell the story of what happened that day that was like the
what happened that day that was like the best just that process I had never seen
best just that process I had never seen Hamilton and Lauren was like no no no we
Hamilton and Lauren was like no no no we have to do the challenge like we have to
have to do the challenge like we have to do it and I was like right but I have
do it and I was like right but I have never done it and so Lauren had to like
never done it and so Lauren had to like force feed me like teach me the words of
force feed me like teach me the words of this song and I only learned like the
this song and I only learned like the first 20 seconds of it and I remember we
first 20 seconds of it and I remember we had just gone hiking and we were like
had just gone hiking and we were like driving through the mountains and yeah
driving through the mountains and yeah like disgusting yeah and over again and
like disgusting yeah and over again and you were like no no no she does it more
you were like no no no she does it more like this like this is the situation and
like this like this is the situation and Bovada okay I'm trying
Bovada okay I'm trying and then he literally did it like I like
and then he literally did it like I like we did it like 50 attack she's probably
we did it like 50 attack she's probably still have it on your phone and I did
still have it on your phone and I did the entire song of the of King George
the entire song of the of King George yeah which is my favorite song but and
yeah which is my favorite song but and then and then I was too embarrassed to
then and then I was too embarrassed to put it on the Internet it's really good
put it on the Internet it's really good maybe some day week someday someday
maybe some day week someday someday maybe if you know what I mean what
maybe if you know what I mean what happens how's our time are you bored
happens how's our time are you bored we're still stop that we have a few
we're still stop that we have a few minutes left some of these I can't
minutes left some of these I can't here's one Lauren Graham yes how does it
here's one Lauren Graham yes how does it feel to see Mae Whitman me your TV
feel to see Mae Whitman me your TV daughter in case you forgot who if she
daughter in case you forgot who if she is playing a mom on V now fragile I love
is playing a mom on V now fragile I love it first of all it's so much fun when
it first of all it's so much fun when the people you love are not in your TV
the people you love are not in your TV show because I can't stand to watch
show because I can't stand to watch myself and it's and it's a harrowing
myself and it's and it's a harrowing experience every time so now I have
experience every time so now I have Peter in a show that's harrowing but not
Peter in a show that's harrowing but not because I'm in it
because I'm in it and so I can watch that although when
and so I can watch that although when the tapeworm came out of the guy I was
the tapeworm came out of the guy I was like this I can't do it I literally when
like this I can't do it I literally when they're like they're cutting babies out
they're like they're cutting babies out of them I can't like but it's very
of them I can't like but it's very traumatic for me how how heroic and
traumatic for me how how heroic and wonderful Bobby Nash odd he's beyond
wonderful Bobby Nash odd he's beyond I've never loved making him in that he
I've never loved making him in that he has so much fun he loves being a fireman
has so much fun he loves being a fireman he loves that like the the his cast
he loves that like the the his cast members call him captain in real life
members call him captain in real life and like that he loves it he had so much
and like that he loves it he had so much fun so that's really fun for me to see
fun so that's really fun for me to see and it is a joy to see you and good
and it is a joy to see you and good girls and I think you're a fantastic mom
girls and I think you're a fantastic mom thanks guys but you know the worst the
thanks guys but you know the worst the worst part of it is that I everything I
worst part of it is that I everything I really I mean yes I had other TV or a
really I mean yes I had other TV or a brother not really TV moms but other
brother not really TV moms but other moms growing up as a child but none so
moms growing up as a child but none so much you know that one of my favorite
much you know that one of my favorite things about our family relationship was
things about our family relationship was that we'd all we all sort of helped each
that we'd all we all sort of helped each other grow up and I feel like a lot of
other grow up and I feel like a lot of the other family units on that show
the other family units on that show we're much more like defined parents and
we're much more like defined parents and kids and I feel like our family unit was
kids and I feel like our family unit was just like we were all best friends and
just like we were all best friends and told each other everything and went
told each other everything and went through everything together and it was
through everything together and it was so intimate and now being on good girls
so intimate and now being on good girls with Izzy it's kind of a similar
with Izzy it's kind of a similar situation where it's honestly I draw a
situation where it's honestly I draw a lot of it from Gilmore Girls because
lot of it from Gilmore Girls because it's a similar situation where I had a
it's a similar situation where I had a child so young and we sort of help each
child so young and we sort of help each other grow up but I mean everything I
other grow up but I mean everything I learned I learned from you I'm moving up
learned I learned from you I'm moving up can't do it can me what one thing that I
can't do it can me what one thing that I won stop talking yeah quiet if I would
won stop talking yeah quiet if I would have two more questions okay let the
have two more questions okay let the people go home yeah everyone knows
people go home yeah everyone knows Carter Prescott and um one thing that I
Carter Prescott and um one thing that I have more appreciation for and I
have more appreciation for and I definitely had it on parenthood because
definitely had it on parenthood because I was an actual age where you could be
I was an actual age where you could be my child
my child as upsetting as that is and and on
as upsetting as that is and and on kerberos we were really more we were
kerberos we were really more we were genuinely closer in age but it is an
genuinely closer in age but it is an incredible gift to be able to work with
incredible gift to be able to work with a young actor and kind of give them your
a young actor and kind of give them your experience stop give them your
experience stop give them your your experience and your you really are
your experience and your you really are kind of a parent figure and it's it's a
kind of a parent figure and it's it's a really important job and you're doing an
really important job and you're doing an incredible thing for that little girl
incredible thing for that little girl and she's lucky to have you
and she's lucky to have you okay we can't do this here's a question
okay we can't do this here's a question would you ever consider doing another
would you ever consider doing another Broadway show yes yes please
Broadway show yes yes please yes but I don't know what it is I mean
yes but I don't know what it is I mean that was boys that hard work Godley yeah
that was boys that hard work Godley yeah but you know I don't know what it would
but you know I don't know what it would be but I I there's no more powerful
be but I I there's no more powerful experience than the theater to me still
experience than the theater to me still it's just my favorite thing and and I
it's just my favorite thing and and I would love to be part of that again it
would love to be part of that again it doesn't have to be Broadway I just would
doesn't have to be Broadway I just would love to do I would love to be an old Lee
love to do I would love to be an old Lee actor who just as plays and musicals
actor who just as plays and musicals like that's because you know TV after a
like that's because you know TV after a while you're like oh my face and then I
while you're like oh my face and then I don't want to like chop it all up and
don't want to like chop it all up and you know you know so yeah like those are
you know you know so yeah like those are mine those are your questions yeah
mine those are your questions yeah that's one that we know bad about this
that's one that we know bad about this yeah you slacked off I did my job guys I
yeah you slacked off I did my job guys I did everything I could to get these all
did everything I could to get these all um I mean we could talk about what what
um I mean we could talk about what what Rory loved her you prefer but I don't
Rory loved her you prefer but I don't know if that's like too stressful please
know if that's like too stressful please I can't she couldn't she can never I'm
I can't she couldn't she can never I'm really like asking this is like hardball
really like asking this is like hardball with Chris Matthews or something I'm
with Chris Matthews or something I'm asking all the tough questions over here
asking all the tough questions over here oh I like this what do you do how do you
oh I like this what do you do how do you combat the fear that your stories may
combat the fear that your stories may only live on your computer
only live on your computer what can a young writer do to keep
what can a young writer do to keep pushing through those hard days Molly I
pushing through those hard days Molly I realized something that I think is a
realized something that I think is a nice place to perhaps end which is I had
nice place to perhaps end which is I had a real aversion to having the idea of a
a real aversion to having the idea of a mentor or asking for feedback or help I
mentor or asking for feedback or help I was an only child for most of my life I
was an only child for most of my life I really took a lot of pride in being
really took a lot of pride in being independent and and I never want to
independent and and I never want to ever want to ask for help when Peter
ever want to ask for help when Peter directed me on parenthood it was like a
directed me on parenthood it was like a joke where he starts to talk to me I'd
joke where he starts to talk to me I'd be like like I'm real like you know okay
be like like I'm real like you know okay I'll do it myself I'll do myself you
I'll do it myself I'll do myself you don't tell me you have told me and and
don't tell me you have told me and and as a writer I have gotten so much from
as a writer I have gotten so much from the people I admire from mentors from
the people I admire from mentors from guides from teachers and people have so
guides from teachers and people have so much to share there's so many people who
much to share there's so many people who are older better more experienced and
are older better more experienced and now I'm like a junkie for just picking
now I'm like a junkie for just picking somebody's brain you know I love to just
somebody's brain you know I love to just hear what someone else's process is and
hear what someone else's process is and I and I get so much out of out of you
I and I get so much out of out of you know continuing to find kind of guides
know continuing to find kind of guides and teachers and and it helps keep you
and teachers and and it helps keep you always learning and growing and and so
always learning and growing and and so don't be afraid to ask for for help yeah
don't be afraid to ask for for help yeah and you even said in the book something
and you even said in the book something I thought that really resonated with me
I thought that really resonated with me was even when you take a step out there
was even when you take a step out there and you make a mistake it ends up
and you make a mistake it ends up opening doors that never would have been
opening doors that never would have been opened otherwise I can end up taking
opened otherwise I can end up taking away a lot more from the experience even
away a lot more from the experience even if it had gone it's really the book
if it had gone it's really the book could also have been called don't be
could also have been called don't be afraid to suck I like that who cares
afraid to suck I like that who cares like who cares
like who cares yes finish your story show it to 50
yes finish your story show it to 50 people maybe you'll get one helpful
people maybe you'll get one helpful feedback just it's you know don't be
feedback just it's you know don't be hard on yourself it's like you're just
hard on yourself it's like you're just here to create and enjoy life and just
here to create and enjoy life and just get as much as you can from this world
get as much as you can from this world and from each other and just keep keep
and from each other and just keep keep reaching out and keep creating beautiful
reaching out and keep creating beautiful things there's we we need it in
things there's we we need it in conclusion don't worry about it
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