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This content is a panel discussion debating Donald Trump's potential Nobel Peace Prize nomination for brokering a ceasefire in the Israel-Gaza conflict, alongside a separate discussion on California gubernatorial candidate Katie Porter's campaign struggles and controversial stances on trans athletes.

person who actually got the Nobel Prize

called me and said that I'm accepting

this in honor of you because you really

deserved it.

>> He created a relationship with the

Israeli prime minister that has that no

other president has in in decades.

>> I have an idea, Mr. President. Why don't

you give him a pardon?

>> I think Trump addressing the Kess just

proves how absurd this whole

conversation is. He bragged about moving

the US embassy to Jerusalem. He rewarded

Israel's legal annexation. He praised

Miriam Adlesen while also calling her

Israel first.

>> Seems to me the MAGA base is

increasingly anti-Israel. We see that

with Tucker Carlson, with Candace Owens,

and others. What's that about?

>> Well, let me correct you on that. I

don't think it's anti-Israel. A lot of

it's anti-Semitic.

I mean, people are losing their minds.

We're talking about giving the Nobel

Peace Prize hopefully to a guy who is

declaring war on his own cities.

>> Destiny, you won. You have Trump

derangement syndrome. Congratulations.

>> So, are you suggesting that you would

allow trans athletes to compete in

women's sport in the Olympics if you

were governor?

>> Look, everyone is competing in a sport

and they come with um abilities and

perhaps there could be, you know, kind

of a different league for them.

>> I think we may just have seen another

California Democrat candidate torpedo

their campaign for governor. I mean, extraordinary.

extraordinary.

>> President Trump's historic role in

ending the Hamas war has drawn plaudits

from even his most embittered opponents.

Hillary Clinton commended Trump for

broken peace, while President Obama was

roundly criticized for failing to

mention him in his long statement.

Politics is turbulent and above all

fickle. But history won't really have

much to say about the daily squables we

spend so much energy debating. It will,

however, vividly remember the remarkable

scenes of the past few days in Israel.

on what may prove and it's a big may to

be the biggest deal of Trump's life. So,

is it time for Trump's harshest critics

to recognize that even their least

favorite president, if not human being,

is capable of doing some good things? Is

mutually lording Netanyahu a good look,

including among the MAGA base? And does

Trump deserve the Nobel Peace Prize?

Joining me to debate all this is from

the Office Tatum podcast. Officer Tatum,

TV personality Emily Austin, host of the

Tara Pomei show, Tara Pome, and Nadine

Kiswani, the activist in the Within Our

Lifetime protest group. And here in the

studio, making his debut in my studio

here in London is the streamer Destiny.

Destiny, welcome to you. Uh, and welcome

to all my guests joining remotely. Um,

well, Destiny, let me start with you

given you're here.

I was watching it from early this

morning and it's very hard not to get

caught up in the euphoria of the

hostages being released, the families,

their joy uh on the Palestinian side, an

end to the bombing, certainly for now,

the return of thousands of of prisoners

from Israeli jails and so on. You know,

it was a day of great celebration.

Did you feel celebratory today?

>> Uh I mean, it's always good when war

ends. It's good when conflict ends. It's

good when hostages are brought home. I

think regardless of how that came about,

I think it's always a good thing to celebrate.

celebrate.

>> What's the downside for you?

>> Uh, well, I mean, it depends on what

part we're talking about. I think that,

you know, if you're looking for some

kind of comprehensive peace between

Israel and Palestine, this deal doesn't

even come close to it. Um, remember this

is the second time the president has

told us there will be peace in the

Middle East. The first time was the

Abraham Accords, and clearly that didn't

work. So, um, yeah, Trump is really good

at putting together these plans that are

not plans at all. They're just like

backbones of plans.

>> When you say it didn't work, the Abraham

Accords, I mean, it stood it stood with

the countries that signed up the Abraham

Accords. Uh, you know, that they have

had a good working relationship with

Israel as a as a consequence of that.

Saudi Arabia has indicated it would like

to join them, but can't when this war

was raging, understandably. Um, they're

looking to expand the Abrahamic cause.

the amount of unity from Arab countries

and country Muslim countries like Turkey

uh to this peace plan has been pretty

unanimous in the region. So I'm not

quite sure if this if this plan is

unworkable, what would have been a

better plan? I mean anything that

actually leads to a long-term permanent

solution between Israel and Palestine. I

mean when you say the Abraham Accords

worked, I mean that's because they were

involving countries that weren't really

fighting with each other. I think that a

lot of the Israeli peace process with

other Arab states is just trying to

extricate Palestine from any overall

peace arrangement with any other

country. The Abraham Accords did that.

They kicked the can down the road.

October 7th happened. It was just like

the second inifat after the failures of

Oslo 1 and 2. And now we're getting a

deal that kind of looks like an Oslo 3

peace framework where it's a bunch of

vague stuff. Nobody really knows what it

means. And basically Israel has like

infinite reign to kind of like play with

it how they want. like what does it mean

to dradicalize the Palestinian Authority

or dradicalize the Gaza Strip? Uh, you

know, who knows?

>> Emily Austin, you know, I felt a lot of

joy to seeing the hostages after 2 years

of utter unrelenting hell finally being

released um 20 of them back to their

families who and the scenes with the

reunion with their families incredibly

moving. I defy anyone with a heart to

not be moved by it. Uh and I also found

the scenes of of jubilation amongst the

Palestinians and seeing families

returning albeit back to their bombarded

homes uh with at least the hope now of

being able to rebuild their lives

hopefully. You know all of that I found

very euphoric. Um, I have to say I did

blanch not at Donald Trump being

celebrated in the Knesset, but by the

kind of mass agilation for Netanyahu,

because I don't think he showered

himself in any glory this year. Uh,

explain why you think I'm wrong.

>> Well, honestly,

I always say my fight as an American Jew

is to make sure that Israel and Jews are

safe and there's not all this false

information going around in America. But

needless to say, Israel is very

>> torn between supporting Netanyahu or

not. There's a joke that Israelis

support Trump more than they support

their own prime minister, which right

now definitely feels that way in Israel.

Um, I will add I don't think Netanyahu

gets any credit when he does something

right at all. I think whether it's

something as precise as a beeper attack,

he'll never get the pat on the back for

doing things the right way, when it's

his involvement in signing the agreement

and it's Hamas who wasn't signing it, BB

will always take the hits for that. Now

whether you like him or not, I just feel

like you need to give credit where it's due.

due.

>> But I think to be honest, I thought I

thought Emily he did get a lot of credit

for the Hezbollah pager attack that was widely

widely

>> would like to have thought so. But I

would I would just just to finish that

point, I would say that he was widely

credited with having launched a very

precise, very carefully planned,

expertly executed uh dismantling of

Hezbollah using pages that did not lead

to mass civilian casualties. Similarly,

I thought the attack on Iran, which many

people thought would be catastrophic and

launched World War II and so on,

actually turned out to be a short-lived

uh war, which was very precise again in

his targeting uh and again did not

involve mass civilian casualties. The

problem comes with the way he has

prosecuted the war in Gaza, which has

been to do none of those things. To be

not remotely surgical, but to be in many

people's eyes utterly indiscriminate,

leveling 80% of Gaza to the point of

total destruction, killing 670,000

people, including many tens of thousands

of civilians, including over 20,000

kids. It seems to be a completely

different way of waging war against your

enemy to the way that he has rightly in

my opinion got due credit for the way he

dealt with Iran and Hezbollah.

>> Yeah, I'm a I'm a numbers girl. I like

to think not emotionally but with facts.

And I recently found something really

interesting and I'd love to hear your

opinion on it. According to UNRA's

numbers, which I'm reluctant to trust to

begin with, according to them, 73,000

structures were destroyed. Right.

68,000 people were dead. By the way,

I'll add the Hamas spokesman said 58,000

militants were killed. So, that math is

not really making sense. But per UNRA

numbers, if that is in fact true, and

there were 73,000 structures destroyed

and 68,000 people dead, then their ratio

of uh structure to person, I'm talking

buildings was less than one person. It's

0.9 people per

>> Emily, you Emily, you've seen the

pictures. You've seen, I mean, look, one

of my biggest bug bears about this is

Netanyahu refusing to this day to allow

international journalists to operate

freely in Gaza to verify what's been

going on there. But we've all seen the

very few aerial shots that have come out

in the last few weeks and months, and

they've been utterly devastating. You

know, this idea there are just a few

structures or one for one and so on.

It's for the birds. They have leveled

threearters of Gaza.

Pierce, I I can't deny the facts. I've

saw the videos of Gaza. Anyone who's

denying that it's inhabitable is lying

to you. However, I will add that when

Hamas has done a phenomenal job since

'05, embedding themselves into civilian

infrastructure, into schools, into

nurseries, into hospitals. Alsha

Hospital was a Hamas HQ for God's sake.

They don't really leave Israel with much

of a choice. Listen, I know you're

critical of Netanyahu, but I've yet to

hear anyone give me a better answer than

if they were in your shoes and you are

fighting a military that has fully

embedded themselves into infrastructure

that belongs to civilians. Do you now

lose a war and surrender because they've

made it really, really difficult to

attack? I'll tell you what Israel has

done. They've done them the courtesy of

dropping leaflets every single time

they're going to make a strike. Which,

by the way, I'll add, no other military

will ever do that in any form of war.

They have let aid in despite people

denying that. That's a fact. They've let

tons of food and aid in. Again, no other

military will ever do that.

>> Well, they waged waged a three month

well, hang on. They waged a three-month

illegal blockade of food and aid um in

February this year which was a breach of

all conventions and is in my opinion was

a war crime. I mean I think a lot of

>> before those three months blockade they

allowed enough aid in to last them.

>> Well, you know what? It should never

have happened. It was that you cannot do that.

that.

>> Why is it Israel's responsibility to

feed them to begin with if they're in a war?

war?

>> It's not. It's a war crime. It's a war

crime to have a blockade. That's the point.

point.

>> October 7th was a war crime, too.

Yes, you won't get any but Emily, you

won't get any argument from me. I've

always I've always said that Hamas are a

despicable terror group who committed

one of the worst atrocities of modern

times and they can have no role in in

Gaza going forward.

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It is incumbent on the only democracy in

the region to actually behave at a

higher level. And I've always taken

issue with Israel's claim that they

behaved on a on a superior moral plinth

to any standing army. I just, you know,

I disagree with you. Well, the best way

to prove it is to let the journalists

in. It's very easy to make all sorts of

claims. journalists will have died in

Gaza because when they are going to

announce that they're striking and Hamas

is not going to allow people but that's not

not

>> would have given a journalist of fleeing

>> Emily that's not the concern of the

Israeli government. They're not

concerned about the safety and welfare

of journalists. It is down to the

individual media companies who employ

these journalists about their risk

assessment. But the the fact remains

that no journalists from CNN, from BBC,

from Reuters, from AP, from any

reputable news agencies are allowed into

Gaza to report freely on what's

happened. And until they are, the

suspicion remains that they are up to

stuff which they don't want the world to

see. So we will see. I fe I fear I fear

we're going to uncover a lot of very

>> coming out of Gaza left and right. I

think the safety of the journalists was

their concern.

>> Well, they killed they've killed a

record well they've killed a record

number of journalists in in on

Palestinian journalists. So I don't

think I don't think they actually

>> unfortunately pierce in Gaza they throw

on a vest that says journalist

>> but actually many of them Emily many of

them were genuine journalists who were

not members of Hamas who were brutally

killed and that isn't

>> Are you aware Israel drops leaflets

every time they're going to commit an

air strike and Hamas does not let them evacuate.

evacuate.

>> I I listen you not you won't get me

defending Hamas about any of this but

the idea that all the 200 the idea that

all the 200 plus journalists had it

coming because they were fake

journalists is [ __ ] I never said that.

that.

>> Well, you're implying it when you're

saying they're wearing the shirt.

>> The journalists, they all had working

cell phones. By the way, the claim that

Gaza has no electricity was completely a

lie. The leaflets warned them. They

literally had sirens letting them know

to leave. How much more of a warning

should Israel give before they're going

to strike? Which again, I'm going to

>> Well, it's more Okay, I'm going to bring

other panelists in. I think it's more

not about the warnings. It's more about

how much more bombing does it take to

make your point. Uh, let me bring in

Tara Pome. I mean, Tara, this has been a

very, you know, I've tried to be fair

with this war from the start. I always

recognized Israel's right to defend

itself. I thought felt it had a duty to

defend itself. I think any other country

in the world that was attacked in that

way would have done uh something

similar, certainly early on. It's the

scale of what happened particularly this

year uh to me became increasingly

indefensible when you start blockading

and starving a popular civilian

population in the way that Israel was

doing uh when you just carry on just

relentless bombardment and destroying

most of Gaza. uh and when you're not

achieving your aims of hostage uh

release or defeating Hamas, none of this

made any sense to me. And when you have

people like Smodri and Ben on the

Israeli government, you know, openly

talking about ethnic cleansing, kicking

all the Palestinians out and taking the

land, I began to feel that the mission

the mission creep was changing very very

fast. What is I mean that's why I'm so

thrilled that we got to where we did

today really, you know, unexpectedly.

But what is your overview about this war?

war?

I I agree with you. If there was nothing

to hide, then why not let international

journalists in? I mean, international

journalists have covered every war.

They're covering the the war in Ukraine,

Iraq, Afghanistan. They take risks, they

die. But that is the way that people

find out what is actually happening on

the ground there. uh the fact that you

couldn't get aid, the blockades, people

traveling for miles, for days for for

just um like chickpeas. I I interviewed

uh a father in in Gaza that was

traveling for days for that. It's just

it's just so inhumane that it's hard to

even remember the start of the war why

this even started which was an

incredible aggression horrible act of

Hamas um you know just attacking Israel

brutally stealing these host uh stealing

hostages and and killing them. But then

when you get into the the the atrocities

against the Palestinian people and how

many children have died, you've you've

really lost the plot in so many ways.

And then, you know, there are some these

videos where you see Benjamin Netanyahu

sort of like berating these creators

that are pro um Israel um pro and and

they're saying you have to be you have

to um you really have to protect us more

in the press. You have to be pushing our

side more and more. You realize it's

really become a propaganda game in a

way. And and Israel lost. I mean the the

rest of the world is condemning them for

war crimes. you know, UN organizations

saying it's a genocide. I don't It's a

wonderful day that the hostages have

been returned. It's an amazing day. It's

an amazing celebration. But I do think

that, you know, we h we can't look at

Netanyahu as some sort of hero in all of this.

this.

>> Uh we have to understand that

we could we could I think I mean one of

my biggest problems with the way

>> on both sides I've had this right. So

early on when I was defending Israel's

right to defend itself, I had a lot of

extremists on the Palestinian side

saying I was a pro-Zionist monster and

so on. And then this year I've had the

complete reverse where I've had very

extreme Zionists who have come for me in

big numbers. And their tactic has been

to brand any criticism of Netanyahu or

his government, which some of whom are

absolute headbangers like Benuis Modri,

that if you criticize them at all, you

must be anti-semitic. you must hate

Jewish people. I found that

>> as a Jew, I want to say that's foolish.

Yeah. I don't correlate criticism with

anti-semitism. I just want to make that

very clear.

>> I know. And I I know you would never do

that, but you've seen I'm sure you've

seen it, Emily. It is. It's been a

really insidious thing to have to

experience because I have never had

anything but positive thoughts about

Jewish people, about Israel. Actually, I

love the country. I've been there. Um,

and the idea that you can't criticize a

government. I made the point I I led the

campaign against the Iraq war in the UK.

Um I was running the Daily Mirror

newspaper which was a Labour supporting

paper. I took on the Labour Prime

Minister Tony Blair. Um it didn't mean I

hated the the British people or that I

hated my country. It just meant I hated

what my government was doing in my name.

So this kind of thing that you must be a

Jew hater if you criticize Netanyahu I

found disgusting. Um Brandon, let me

bring you in here. There's been an

interesting split in Trump's support.

Um, you know, the the base seems to me

the MAGA base is increasingly

anti-Israel. We see that with Tucker

Carlson, with Candace Owens, and others.

Uh, others are very much pro-Israel, but

there's a real split there. What's that about?

about?

>> Well, let me correct you on that. I

don't think it's anti-Israel. A lot of

is anti-Semitic. I mean, people are

losing their minds. And I almost had a

stroke listening to the capitulation to

the foolery in Gaza and Israel. Israel

don't owe them anything. Why are we Why

are we confused about this? They came

over and they slaughtered all these

people. They took people hostage. They

don't owe them nothing. They could

starve him to death if they wanted to.

That's their decision in my personal

opinion because they're reasonable. They

sent out leaflets and the lies about the

media. They don't allow journalists in.

Where do you see where's all this

propaganda coming from?

>> They don't allow I see videos of kids. I

see buildings coming down. They don't

allow it. Look

>> well listen but real is actually a fact.

They don't allow journalists here in

unless unless you are a friendly

journalist embedded with the IDF. You're

not allowed in.

>> It's inconsequential because

how do we know the truth?

>> I believe it's inconsequential. You know

the truth. You see a propaganda coming

out of out of out of uh Gaza. You see in

China and people are complaining.

Propaganda is not people complaining.

>> I see propaganda on all sides and in my

experience of propaganding war the only truth

truth

the only way Brandon the only way to

count counter propaganda from all sides

in a war because it comes from all

sides. The only way is to allow

independent journalists to do their jobs.

jobs.

>> They're not they don't do their job in

America. So what they lie every day in

America. So, I'm not I don't really care

about that. At the end of the day, we

will see now that the war is over. Let's

talk about

a post. Let me finish. Let me finish and

I will give you a chance to speak. Let

me finish young lady, please.

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>> And so what I'm saying is that I think

it's inconsequential. I think people are

jumping up. They don't have to feed

these people. They could have starved

them to death if they wanted to, but

they didn't. They were a war crime. They

were kept it. You could say it's a war

crime anyway. I'm not saying they came

all these innocent people in Israel. But

Brandon, it would be a war crime. You

could say it doesn't matter. They killed

all these people. Hamas is

themselves. Hamas is embedding

themselves in the population.

>> Hamas are disgusting. Hamas are

disgusting and they commit war crimes.

But the idea to do, Pierce, how do you

fight a war? I'm sorry. When they're

embedded in the people, sorry, but you

know, there are international rules

relating to warfare and if Israel breaks

them, they are as Netanyahu as Hamas or

anybody else.

>> Commit war crime. Did Netanyahu commit

war crimes trying to fight this war?

When you have Hamas embedded in

>> I believe he may well have done. Yes, I

do believe that. What else is he going

to do then? Not fight.

>> No, no, you can fight, but you have to

abide by the rules of of war.

>> But what are you going to do that?

>> This is why we have the rules. Nobody's

answering his question. This is why we

had the Geneva This is why we had the

Geneva Convention set up after World War

II because Brandon after World War II,

they set up a Geneva Convention because

the world concluded that a lot of the

stuff that went on in World War II

simply crossed a line and therefore for

future wars and conflicts, you had to

have rules of engagement recognized by

the international community. And if you

don't have those, then anything goes

that anyone can do anything. And you,

I'm sure, would agree would agree with

me. I agree that way that way insanity

lies, right? And total mayhem.

>> I agree, Pierce. But I think that this

was a unique situation where you're

fighting the enemy that's embedded in

with the people. They literally have

headquarters at at hospitals. They're

having military weapons and doing all

this stuff. Some of their journalists

are terrorists. Some of the people are

terrorists. They're not even fighting

with uniforms on. How do we even know

who's a combatant and who's not a

combatant? When they release the results

of how many people that died, they're

not telling you how many people are

combatant. When they say that there's

children that died, the range of

children is from 17 all the way down.

How how do we know how many 17 year olds

that they've recruited to fight on the

side of Hamas? So it it is ridiculous to

actually find that out. If we had

journalists in thereact

the journalist going to have a birth

hand, give me a break.

>> No, if we had if we had journalists in

there that were from every country all

over, you can have you can have your

dispute with American journalists. You

don't think they're

>> independent dead. They will be getting

killed. They will be dead. They will be starving.

starving.

>> Brandon Brandon, let me just interject

for a sec. I want to point something

out. I noticed after the ceasefire is

that before the ceasefire, if you looked

at videos of Gaza, it appears plenty of

them were coming out, not from

journalists, from civilians in Gaza. You

saw no men in uniform. It's almost like

Hamas did not exist in Gaza. I actually

thought Israel had gotten rid of them.

Suddenly, after Israel withdrew its

troops, every single man, actually, let

me add, teenager and adult man suddenly

has a machine gun and is in uniform.

Excuse me, the woman in the red, I

forgot your name. Actually, really

respect your opinion. But I do believe that

that

>> these Hamas militants, if you're a

journalist in Gaza and they're dressed

as regular innocent civilians, you don't

know who's who. So, what are they going

to do? Okay, you look like a normal kid.

You look like a normal kid. You could be

Hamas. I'm not sure. They were

literally, as Brandon's trying to say,

embedding themselves in civilians, not

just resources, in uniform as well.

>> They obviously were they obviously were

doing all of those things. Let me bring

in Nadine. Nadine, you and I have talked

a lot during this war. Um, often in some

very contentious circumstances, but

today, how do you feel? I mean, the war

appears to have ended for now.

Palestinians are returning to what

remains of their homes. they appears to

be a joyous feeling of at least the war

is over and they can try and get get

back to their lives. They haven't been

expelled uh as many many on the Israeli

government would have liked to seen. So

do you give Trump any credit for this?

>> I mean I sincerely hope that the you

know war is over. Palestinians have been

through enough through starvation,

famine, entire bloodlines wiped out,

families that'll never be, you know, the

same again. And, you know, I just think,

um, these ceasefires aren't necessarily

proof of peace. Um, so far, they've just

been pauses in the project of genocide

and ethnic cleansing that began over 75

years ago with the NECBA and continues

today. Under Trump, countless of

Palestinians were killed. They were

starved. They were displaced. And the

so-called ceasefire plan didn't even

include Palestinians uh negotiators at

all in the construction of the plan.

Instead, Palestinians were forced into

submission through starvation, blockade,

and these um US administered Gaza

humanitarian fund sites where people

were rounded up and targeted by

Islamophobic biker gangs. And now part

of these deals demand the disarmament of

Hamas, which is literally impossible

since most of the weapons that Hamas

happens now were delivered by Israel

itself in the form of unexloded

ordinances and munitions dropped on

Gaza. So it feels like, you know, this

is all just a setup to extract the

hostages, which Hamas said early on in

October 2023 that they were willing to

release all of the civilian hostages um

in order to just continue killing people

in Gaza. Um, you know, just last night,

another Palestinian was killed, was shot

by Israel. Um, and also proxy, uh, you

know, uh, militias that are being funded

and protected by Israel in Gaza are also

continuing to kill Palestinians like the

Palestinian journalist Salahawi

um, who was murdered. And I think

another thing that is important to

mention here is that Israel systematic,

you are compuls,000, $7,000, we get it.

You get your paycheck getting paid who's

getting paid $7,000. Let me finish up

mentioned that Israel systematically

destroyed more hospitals, schools, water

and sanitation systems, power and other

essential infrastructure right before

withdrawing from Gazda, leaving the

Okay, don't all talk at once. Nadine,

let me ask you a question. Out of

interest, what should Israel have done

on October the 8th by way of responding

to the worst terror attack in modern times?

times?

>> What should Palestinians have done to

respond? That wasn't my question. What a

constant killing my question. What

should Israel have done?

>> They're not. Is she your lawyer? I'm not

sure why she's continuously interrupting

me. I know you get $7,000 to sit here

and spew propaganda, but that's not

going to work.

>> Aren't you a lawyer? Don't you know what

defamation is? Do you have any proof

that I have ever gotten one penny from

Israel? No.

>> If you're going to make an accusation,

back it up with facts. Do you have one

one receipt that I received $1 from

Israel? Are you just yapping respond to

his question right now? I know. I think

it's a fairation.

Hang on. It's a fair question. Nadine,

you made an al you made an allegation

against Emily that she's taken money to

talk up for Israel. Do you have any

proof of that?

This is widely reported and I would like

to actually focus on the question that

you talked about in regards to I want to

focus on the allegations at the end of

the day I don't just for the record

Emily have you accepted have you have

you been paid Emily to talk up in Israel

favor zero nothing

>> okay so we've clarified that Nadine

answer my question though what should

Israel not not the Palestinians what

should Israel have done after this

appalling terror attack

>> I think the only way that there can be

peace in the Holy Land is through

accountab ability and through justice,

not through genocide. By committing this

genocide, Israel hasn't

>> But I'm talking about the attempted

genocide that Hamas waged. So, let's

talk about that first, right? What

should Israel have done following the

mass murder of,200 of its people, the

wounding and maming of 7,000 more, and

the kidnapping of over 250, including

hol holocaust survivors and babies. What

should Israel have done? What would have

been the proportionate correct response

by Israel after that attack?

>> Negotiating a hostage exchange in return

for the Palestinian hostages would have

saved a lot of bloodshed on both sides.

And let's not forget that Israel

employed the Hannibal directive on

October 7th. Much of the damage that

have been done could only have been

carried out by Apache helicopters. And

you know,

>> all right. But do you think what do you

think what Hamas did? Okay. But do you

think what Hamas did on October the 7th

was justified?

>> You constantly ask me this question

every time I come on your show as some

sort of gotcha. You know, I think that

repression and oppression breeds

resistance. I'm not living at the

opposite end of a barrel of an Israeli

gun. I'm not having my home destroyed to

rubble. So, I'm not going to tell people

that have constantly faced this prior to

October 7, 2023 that, you know,

resisting it is wrong or how they

resisted is wrong. That's not my place.

>> A terror attack is not resistance. It's

a terror attack.

>> Pierce. Pierce, clear. Palestinian.

>> This young lady is a This young lady is

a propagandist.

>> How should Israel does not have common sense?

sense?

>> I'm asking you peers now. How should

Palestinians respond to 75 years of

displacement for 75 years of

displacement? It's not just a few

months. Okay, it's funny. You're such a

hypocrite. You're talking about me

interrupting you and now you're

Gaza, to the destruction of refugee

camps in the West Bank, to the denial of

the right of return, to countless war

crimes. How should the Palestinians

responded to that? Well,

>> my answer in people is My answer is protest.

protest.

>> My answer is that committing a terrorist

attack of that magnitude is never ever

resistance or

>> defense answer. So how how should they

resist? You're just saying what they shouldn't.

shouldn't.

>> I'm making the point that an act of

terrorism is never the correct response. Ever.

Ever.

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>> The correct response.

>> Let me bring Brandon in here. Brandon.

>> Okay. Answer the question that you tried

to ask me.

>> I want everybody to get a chance. This

young lady is clearly a propagandist.

She will not deny or will not say that

Hamas is a terrorist organization and

they killed innocent people and then she

want Hamas to be uh fighting and killing

innocent people and then when Israel

come back and whoop their socks off she

has she act like it's a genocide. They

haven't been committing a genocide. I

don't know what world you live in or any

other person that's living in that think

this is a genocide. You don't feed

people in a genocide

in a genocide.

>> The population doesn't grow during the

genocide. 75 years the population has

grown. What are you saying? Are you guys

smoking or what? 75 years the population

have grown. That's not a genocide.

>> Not what the definition of genocide

genocide. You clearly can't even define

I tell you what name another genocide.

Let me let me let me let me just say let

me just say something. The reality and

the reality and I've learned this by

talking to genocide scholars is that no

country or state has ever been found

guilty of waging a genocide. I was

surprised by that. I didn't know that

the bar for a genocide is extremely

high. And that's why so far no country

has ever been found guilty or convicted

of committing or waging a genocide. I

didn't know that before this war broke

out, but I do know that now. So the bar

is very very high for a even in Rwanda,

they did not in the end classify that as

a genocide. Now we might have a view we

might have a view that that's wrong. But

I my view of what has happened in Israel

is that if you believe people like

Modric and Bengavir, they were operating

on a basis of ethnic cleansing. Seizing

the opportunity created by this

appalling attack to actually expel

Palestinians, kick them out of their

homes and take their land. That's ethnic

cleansing. But I wouldn't categorize

that as a genocide, which is how many

people have tried to make me call it.

But that's my explanation. Let me bring

Destiny back. You've been waiting. I've

got to say unusually patiently, Destiny,

which I appreciate. Um, look, what

people are talking about now is the

future, whether there can be lasting

peace. If it turns out this is the

catalyst for lasting peace, and a lot of

that may come down to the Arab and

Muslim countries here who seem to be

very actively involved in trying to uh

get a lasting peace through this. Um,

how much credit would you give Donald

Trump? Should he get the Nobel Peace

Prize next year? Many thought he

deserved it this year. Um, you know, it

is unusual to have a Republican American

president who wants to forge peace, not

war. U, but he talks about peace all the

time. He's trying to find it in Ukraine.

He's he seems to have found it in the

Middle East. You know, I'm not sure what

else he has to do given that Barack

Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize eight

months into his tenure in his first

presidency for basically making a couple

of fancy speeches. But it seems people

don't want to give him the Nobel Peace

Prize because he's Donald Trump.

>> Yeah. Yeah, I don't think Donald Trump

has an interest in peace. He just wants

to get rid of problems and move on to

the next thing. Um, again, we already

had peace in the Middle East with the

Abraham Accords, and we saw where that

led. Now, we've got whatever the

ceasefire is. The 20point plan, I think,

is kind of a joke. Um, I mean, he came

in saying that he was going to figure

out all these issues on day one. He

hasn't. He let Israel wage basically

maximally the war they wanted to wage.

They were able to eliminate essentially

every enemy, all the top grass in Hamas

like twice. Uh, you know, they bombed

Qatar. They got the United States to

bomb Iran. They, you know, Syrian regime

Bashar al-Assad, you know, his regime

collapsed, they killed Nashallah, they

got, you know, rid of Hezbollah. The

idea that Trump has come in and brokered

peace after Israel has essentially

eliminated all enemies. And then the

peace that was brokered is this insanely

one-sided favorable deal to the

Israelis. I mean, I feel like they're

just setting themselves up for some

other terrorist attack in the future,

and then we're all going to be

scratching our heads, looking around

like, I can't believe this is happening again.

again. >> Tara,

>> Tara,

>> Destiny, you won. You have Trump

derangement syndrome. Congratulations.

You win this. At least Destiny's here

prepared to talk about it. I mean, the people

people

>> You know what? Nadine is right. $7,000.

I see it now. There's the

>> Is that a monthly payment or a yearly payment?

payment?

>> Honestly, I wish I got it. I really,

really wish I did. If someone else is

making it, I would love the directions

of how I can get the money, too. But

thus far, I haven't been offered nor

have I received. But thank you again for

a baseless accusation.

>> Although, to be clear, you just

basically accused me of having Trump

derangement syndrome. I think my

criticism is pretty pointed. There is no

concrete plan for what this is going to

look like afterwards. Israel got to end

the war. They got to eliminate all

enemies. They're getting to do damage to

the infrastructure of

>> By the way, they didn't. Hamas is

everywhere. All over Gaza, flaunting how

they've won this.

>> What has Israel been doing for two

years? They're still everywhere. How

many more places do they need to bomb?

>> Do you see the videos coming out of Gaza

that Hamas is cheering and parading?

>> Well, then I don't know how much more

time you need. I don't know how many

more bombs you have to drop. Like I

mean, at some point you have to your war

is over. Like you figured it out. Like

you can't

>> At some point Hamas needs to surrender

and like demilitarize. Did you ever

think about that?

>> Oh, well, a complete senator

demilitarized would have been a good

thing for Trump to arrange more than,

you know, a year into his presidency.

So, that's why I don't give him any

credit for it.

>> All right, Tara, let me bring you in

here because you're probably, I would

say, the neutral member of the panel in

many ways. Um, it does seem there is a

double standard about Trump, Nobel Peace

Prize, credit forging peace. I mean, do

you think there is a double standard?

I do think, you know, like you said,

noted that President Obama got the Nobel

Peace Prize in eight months. It's

probably more of a symbol in a lot of

ways than what it actually represents.

Will this actually lead to peace? I

think he should apply again because the

application date was around January when

he was not even inaugurated. How could

he be, you know, um, how could he put

his name forward before he's even

president yet? And even in this case,

it's a little early days. I think we

need to see if there is actual peace. I

mean, next week, this could all be

broken. Uh, as we've said, Hamas has yet

to give up its arms. Gaza is still

occupied by Israel.

>> There are lots of unanswered questions.

I do I do find it I do find it

extraordinary that Bernie Sanders, for

example, so vocal about Trump, right?

Last week, in the last seven days, 16

anti-Trump posts on his ex account. He

hasn't mentioned the Middle East at all.

Bernie Sanders, a man who ran for

president, hugely uh big figure in the

United States political arena, hasn't

mentioned this on his feed. All he's

done is relentless Trump bashing about

other stuff. And I'm like, you know,

it's so transparent that, you know, you

talk about Trump derangement syndrome.

How does that manifest itself? If you

are a senior politician in the United

States and you can't find it in

yourself, even Hillary Clinton gave

Trump credit for this because she knows

how difficult it is to get to this

place. You know, I just think to Bernie

Sanders, I asked him directly, you know,

what's stopping you saying something?

Anything? You're very vocal all day long

about Trump. And the reason is he

doesn't want to say anything positive

about Trump. So, we'd rather not talk

about this incredibly historic moment in

the Middle East, which is, you know, an

example of just how unhinged a lot of

Trump's opponents become.

>> Well, this is all political theater.

>> Well, let let respond. >> Sorry.

>> Sorry.

>> Yeah. I mean, ultimately, I think it's

the fact that it feeds President Trump's

ego. They find him detestable. The fact

that he needs these plottits and awards.

They don't like him as a person. It's

political obviously, but yeah, this is a

big deal. He got Benjamin Netanyahu in

the Oval Office to apologize to cutter.

He created

>> huge he created a relationship with the

Israeli prime minister that has that no

other president has in in decades. And

he was able to almost strongarm this

moment that we got to right now. And

yes, he deserves credit for it. But the

whole question is, does it hold up? And

that's why this year-long evaluation for

his Nobel Peace Prize makes the most

sense. He probably hates that he has to

wait for it, but I think it will show if

>> ah we slightly lost you there Tor

we lost you for a couple of secondsated

on this issue and that there

>> Tara just repeat your last point because

you were frozen.

>> Oh yeah, I'll just finish on this last

point if I have. >> Yeah.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. My last point is that I hope that

this period of time that it will take

for them to decide if he deserves the

Nobel Peace Prize will keep him fixed on

the Middle East and will not just be

something he can check off and you know

say I did this that it will make sure

that there's actual follow through on

this 20point plan.

>> Yeah. Brandon, do do you feel there's a

double standard when it comes to giving

Trump credit for this kind of thing?

>> Oh, a thousand%. I mean, I think Trump

derangement is a real thing. I think

these people if it like for me if there

was a Democrat that negotiated this I

don't care how much I don't like these

Democrats I'd be like this is great man

that's a win if Barack Obama does

something good that was great I I like

when he do things well it's my it's our

country so I'm hoping that he went and

gets victories but the but you look at

it look at what happened Pierce you see

people that Trump has negotiated peace

the ones who claim it was a genocide and

their babies are dying he's gotten it to

stop and they won't even celebrate that

because they hate him so

This should be a celebration at least in

part. Donald Trump is not God.

>> And and to be honest, the only threat of

this backfiring is from the Palestinians

and from Hamas. It's not like Israel is

going to go back on it. They're going to

do another terrorist attack is the fear.

But I, you know, I hope that it works

and we should all be cheering for it to

work. We should all be giving input on,

you know, what's the next step here

because Trump can't control everything.

No, I agree. And also, Emily, I mean, I

I just feel that it it gives you much

more credibility, whoever you are, if

you're prepared to just look at the big

picture and give your opponent credit

where they deserve it. It just gives you

more credibility. You know, I think one

of the problems of social media, it's

got so tribal and so toxic that even

when a new fact comes out about your

side, which is obviously very damning or

wrong, people will try and pretend it

isn't because they think that that shows

weakness when in fact to actually

criticize your own side from time to

time or to credit the other side is a

good thing for democracy. And I I I wish

we could get back to a place where we

could all do that quite freely. I

criticize Trump quite regularly, but I

praise him quite regularly. Um I think

that's the right I was the same with

Obama. I just think that is the way that

is the way a proper democracy works,

right? But when people are so intranged

about giving any credit to someone like

Donald Trump, whatever he does, I just

think they to me they lose credibility.

>> I mean I think you can give credit just

give credit where credit is due. There's

been like six Israel Gaza wars u 2008

2014 cast led and uh protective edge.

These were huge, you know, wars that had

ceasefires after them. Uh, this the

conflict has been never ending. Well,

basically since the inception of of the

state of Israel between Israel and

>> we've never had this number, Destiny, of

Arab and Muslim countries come together

to to team up in this way,

>> but they haven't come together to team

up. The letter that was written, the

unifying letter, all of it was we hope

that they, you know, abide by

international law.

>> No, they endorsed the Trump plan though.

They not I mean they the words that

they're using are saying we hope that

something actually comes from this is

the this is like all the plans that

Trump has all the trade deals. The

United States has no trade deals. There

is no lasting peace right now between

Israel and Gaza. This is like the

framework of

>> Well, actually America does have a lot

of new trade deals with Well, actually

it has a lot that is signed. No, that's

not true.

>> It's true. We have zero. It's absolutely true.

true.

>> Well, the UK, you're sitting in the

United Kingdom. We have a trade deal.

>> You do not have a trade deal. You have

No, there is no trade deal. These things

are not one page signed and posted on

Twitter. They're extensive things that

encompass entire markets and have tons

of of writing for it. Like there's no

trade deal.

>> Read a 10% tariff on UK products to

United States. That is a trade deal.

>> That's not a trade deal. That's an entry

on an Excel spreadsheet. A trade deal is

a comprehensive market encompassing

thing that actually dictates terms that

you can rely on for, you know, decades

to come. It's not a thing that can

change on a whim. But do but do you do

you dispute that Trump has managed to

negotiate a series of deals with

countries which are in terms of tariffs

more advantageous now to America than

they were in January?

>> No. Our prices on everything are going up.

up.

>> That wasn't my question.

>> No, they're not advantageous. They're

hurting the economy in every measurable way.

way.

>> Inflation is up. The amount of taxes now.

now.

>> Why stock markets at record highs?

>> Because the stock market always goes up.

It was under It was under record highs

under Obama. Of course it does. every

president when he launched his when he

launched his global tariff war the stock

market collapsed

>> in the long term now having been

promised armageddon within 6 months

we've got to the point of 6 months and

the stock markets are higher than they

were before we launched the tax

>> not as high as it should be but the

stock market will tend upwards that's

how the stock market works this this is

the thing it takes time you know like

Donald Trump is making an effort to do

this and it takes time to come to

fruition I hope that you'll be cheering

for it to come to fruition and that

Donald Trump is going to realize some of

these things that he's put into some of

these negotiations will go through in a

better way. Don't you wish that,

Destiny? I think we all want that, right?

right?

>> I don't I don't know what I don't know

what anybody wants. We're talking about

giving the Nobel Peace Prize hopefully

to a guy who is declaring war on his own

cities. I mean, I don't know what the

actual goal is for you. You know, you

know how ridiculous that is.

>> I do. I agree. It is ridiculous. I'm

glad we can agree on that. War with

Chicago. I was watching I was watching

Don Lemon I was watching the citizen

journalist Don Lemon out with his

microphone and he was talking to people

in various cities about um putting the

National Guard on the streets and you

know what they all said to his

astonishment. They were all in favor of it.

it.

I would be too if my if my city was

overrun by crime and gangs and shootings

and stabbings and murders. If you if you

feel if you feel the police if you feel

the police is underresourced and

ineffective and is not protecting you

then I think people actually rather like

the visibility of members of a national

guard on the streets. And you know

people can call it the militarization,

the creeping fascism, all these things.

Or they could actually ask the people

that live in those places, how do you

feel about having some National Guard

people on the streets? They actually

feel comforted by the visibility of

National Guard on their streets. So

maybe Trump

>> people who don't like law enforcement

are criminals. That's the reality, >> right?

>> right?

These are these are just these are just

politicians that are that are running

their mouth just like Black Lives Matter

when they want to defund the police. You

ask people that live in a hood, they

love the police. They want the police

there. They get sick of their kids

getting shot in the middle of the

street. So most people, go to Chicago. I

mean, go to DC. Remember when they were

protesting DC? A bunch of white people.

You know, the majority of DC population

is black. None of the black people out

there protest. It's a bunch of leftist

nut jobs and politicians who are pushing

this agenda. Most people want to be

safe. The property value goes up when

it's safe. Stores come into the

community. The economy is boosted. Your

schools are better. No person on earth

want crime to be rampant in their

cities. And when their politicians do

nothing, then Trump has to step in.

>> All right, let me give the last word to

Nadine. Um, how do you see things in the

next 2, three years in Gaza, in the West

Bank, in that region?

>> You know, I think Trump addressing the

Knesset today just proves how absurd

this whole conversation is. He bragged

about moving the US embassy to

Jerusalem. He rewarded Israel's illegal

annexation. He praised Miriam Adlesen

while also calling her Israel first.

>> But he also went to Egypt after the

Knessetic. He also went to Egypt. So,

you know, yes, he was at the Kesset.

Yes, he got celebrated for getting the

hostages released. That's inevitable.

But he also then went to Egypt

immediately, right? So, you know, I look

at the totality of what Trump has done

on this very quick visit. And he's going

to both sides. He understands you only

get to peace by talking and sitting down

and doing deals with all waring

partners, right? It's the only way you

do it.

>> I mean, you know what we've seen is the

Palestinian resistance today are the

orphans of the past Israeli incursions

on Gaza, on the West Bank. The number of

Hamas militants, just like, you know,

the pro-Israel commentators here said,

hasn't actually decreased since October

2023. It's just about stayed the same.

So I think as long as you think that you

can't bring you can't bomb people into

peace, you can't bomb people into

submission and Palestinians will

continue to resist no matter what

because they are facing a genocidal baby

killing machine that is built on the

blood of our people. That's bu built on

the blood and they're going to keep my

village in Palestine was annexed three

weeks ago. Not a single establishment or

legacy media outlet has covered it.

Betixa was annexed. You can search this

up. And as long as we continue to be

dispossessed through our land, denied

the right of return and slaughtered merc

mercilessly, whether in Gaza, whether in

the West Bank, or even 48 citizens,

Palestinian citizens of Israel,

Palestinians are only going to continue

to fight that. That is going to keep

their butts.

>> Human nature. That is just human nature.

>> All right, we will get before we go.

Pierce, I want to remind you that you

had Nardina and I on right after October

7. Yeah.

>> Off the bat, you asked her, "Do you

condemn October 7th?" She said no. She

hardly condemned 911. Now that we're

seeing each other again face to face in

her dean second grade when 911 happened,

$7,000. Larry Ellison can buy Tik Tok.

You are not by Palestine. You are proud

of because when Hamas is powdering

literal when Hamas is all the Gazins

right now, you're silent. Hamas is

killing Palestinians right now and you

are silent because you're not pro Palestinian.

Palestinian.

>> Okay. Well, can I say it's good to see

it's good to see it's good to see it's

good to see that go burn things in time.

It is good to see that you two uh have

moved on with your relationship since

you last uh appeared on the panel

together and that there is a new harmony

to it which I was lacking last time.

>> That was Israel Palestine in a nutshell

right there. I mean, you know what?

Actually, yes.

>> And that's where we need to get the Palestinian

Palestinian

Israel, Palestine,

>> Palestinian derange, my people, my land,

and you just have a ridiculous,

>> you know, unusually

unusually unusually for when a panel

includes destiny, he's ended with the

most precient point of all, probably the

most pertinent point of all, which is

actually in a way that is the problem.

And we need to get to a place where we

can have mutual respect and actually I

believe one day that that will be a

two-state solution.

>> The starting point is not of 70,000

Palestinians in probably a lot more than

that. I think the number is much higher.

>> All right. I'm going to I'm going to

leave it there, but thank you very much

indeed all of you for the the debate. I

appreciate it.

>> One week ago, Katie Porter was measuring

Gavin Newsome's curtains as a poll

showed her with a commanding lead in the

race to become California's next

governor. Then disaster struck. Katie

Porter spoke to a journalist who had the

audacity to ask her a question.

>> But you just said you don't need those

Trump voters.

>> Well, you asked me if I needed them to win.

win.

>> So, you don't need

>> I feel like this is unnecessarily

argumentative. What is your question?

>> The the question is the same thing I

asked everybody that this is being

called the empowering voters to stop

Trump's power grab. Every other

candidate has answered this question.

This is not

>> I said I support it. So, and the

question is, what do you say to the 40%

of voters who voted for Trump?

>> Oh, I'm happy to say that. It's the do

you need them to win part that I don't

understand. I'm happy to answer the

answer the question as you have it

written and I'll answer it.

>> And we've also asked the other

candidates, do you think you need any of

those 40% of California voters to win?

And you're saying no, you don't.

>> No, I'm saying I'm going to try to win

every vote I can. And what I'm saying to

you is that

>> Well, to those voters. Okay. So, so you

>> I don't want to keep doing this. I'm

going to call it. Well, Porter's prickly

response to that simple question said

her win probability on a historic

downward spiral cratering in just days

from 40 to 16%. The ensuing Porter pylon

has brought with a swirl of claims about

disharmony among her team and millions

have viewed this clip of Porter yelling

at a staffer who encroached on her Zoom shot.

shot.

>> The state could lose.

Get out of my [ __ ] shot.

>> I wanted to tell you that that's

actually incorrect. It's not that it's

electric vehicles. It's that if we don't

meet the commitments under the Paris

climate accord.

>> Okay. It does. Okay. You also were in my

shop before that.

Stay out of my shot.

>> Wow. Well, we invited Katie Porter to

have a second go at answering questions

here on Uncensored, but she declined.

So, in the interest of fairness and

democracy, we invited her two leading

opponents on both sides instead. In a

moment, I'll talk to Republican

candidate Steve Hilm. But first, I'm

joined by the California Democratic

Party's vice chair, Betty Ye. Well,

Betty, welcome to Uncensored. You posted

on X following that first interview with

CBS. After watching the interview, it's

clear Casey Porter doesn't have the

temperament to be governor. As a

candidate, I welcome the hard questions.

The next governor must be accessible and

transparent. No place for temper

tantrums. No place for dodging the

public's right to know. And you then

added in another post, Katy Porter is a

weak, self-destructive candidate, unfit

to leave California. Mistakes are too

high for her to stay in this race. It's

time for her to drop out of the race.

So, no holding back there. Um, what what

is it about the clips that have come out

that that sent you over the edge in

terms of her ability to stay in the race?

race?

>> Well, thank you, Pierce. Look, as a

woman candidate, I know that we are held

to double standards and I believe Katie

Porter failed that to hold up to that

standard. Uh, as a candidate, we reach

out to all voters to try to make a

persuasive case uh to earn their

support. And um I just believe that her

temperament and and frankly just not

being responsive to the reporter was

just not cutting it. I did the Bill

Maher show with her a while ago, last

year, and got into a debate with her

about Riley Gaines, who's been, you

know, campaigning against um trans

activists trying to erode women's rights

in sport. And she got very prickly then.

But what I was struck by was that the

very liberal audience totally disagreed

with her. Um but I I remember then and

we'll take a little look at a bit of

this now. Let's have a look. person

>> talked about people, you know, becoming

using things to kind of get likes and

get clicks.

>> That's not what she's doing.

>> I mean, I've got no truck for rights

personally, but all I've seen her do is

stand up for women's rights to fairness

and equality. She she actually competed

against Leah Thomas, and it was

obviously unfair. Leah Thomas won one of

the races in the NCAA championships by

50 seconds against a bunch of biological

females who simply couldn't keep up.

That cannot be right. It cannot be fair.

>> That is something

that I trust I think our sporting bodies

should be dealing with. And by the way,

Riley is speaking up for herself and

that is her prerogative and I respect

her free speech.

>> I think she's speaking up for pretty

much every female athlete in the world.

>> I wasn't.

>> Out of interest, Betty Ye, what what is

your view of trans athletes in women's sport?

sport?

Well, I think uh I always uh want to be

sure that we are being inclusive in

sports and so um I think there are ways

to still have them participate in sports

and try to quell, you know, just some of

the um controversy around it. Um I think

everyone has an opportunity to

participate in sports,

>> right? That that wasn't really the

question. It's whether you think trans

athletes should compete in women's sport.

sport.

Well, I I think um we need to learn more

about just how we can enable them to to

um participate. Um I don't look everyone

is competing in a sport and they come

with um abilities and and um perhaps

there could be, you know, kind of a

different lead for them or we can look

at just ways not to exclude them, but I

do want them to be able to have that

same opportunity to participate.

>> Well, everybody wants um trans athletes

to be able to participate in sport. The

issue is whether they should be allowed

to compete in women's sport against

actual women who are biological females

who obviously have a uh inferior

physiology in the main in terms of lung

capacity, muscle mass and so on. Do you

think that would be right?

>> Uh they are now part of I mean they have

been through a a transition a physical

transition and I do believe that they

should be able to participate with other

female athletes.

>> Wow. Well, you got the Olympics coming

to to California to LA. So, are you

suggesting that you would allow trans

athletes to compete in women's sport in

the Olympics if you were governor?

>> Well, I think there's still a lot of

discussion that needs to happen. Um, I

think there's a lot of information we

need to learn about what's really um

happening with uh the ability of trans

athletes to compete, but my my statement

is about being able to be sure that they

can compete. Uh, and right now,

>> but my question is whether you think

they should compete in women's sport in

the Olympics because it's coming to LA,

so it's relevant.

>> I think transgender female athletes are

women athletes and they should be able

to compete. >> Really?

>> So you if you were governor of

California, you would support biological

males who identify as women competing in

women's sport in the Olympics.

uh they are now identified as um

transgender female

>> and you think that makes and you think

it's fair that they should then compete

in women's sport.

>> I think they should be able to compete

in women's sports but I also think that

there is still some discussion about uh

whether they should compete uh uh in the

same field but I just want them to be

able to participate.

>> Sure. I'm sure you why why out of

interest why do you think we separate

the sexes in the Olympics?

Um well because they do come with

different attributes in terms of

physicality and uh

>> so you accept that we separate the sexes

because men have a physical advantage

over women.

>> Uh I know about an advantage in some

sports yes and other sports maybe not.

>> Can you think of a single sport in the

Olympics where men would not have an

advantage over women with the exception

potentially of archery?

You know, I think uh you can see uh

female athletes where um particularly in

track and field where uh agility um is probably

probably

>> Hang on. Are you suggesting that women

So hang on. You think that women could

could compete against men in track and

field like in 100 meters, 200 meters,

10,000 meters. Do you?

>> Um perhaps. You know, I'm not a sports

um expert, but

>> of course they couldn't. Have you seen

the Have you seen the times that women

and men record in the Olympics for all

track and field events? Have you watched

Usain Bolt when he smashed the world

record for the 100 meters?

>> Yes. Yes.

>> So, you think women could run against

Usain Bolt for example at his peak and

that would be fair?

>> I think um there look I'm just going to

say this. There's a lot of

misinformation about the ability of

transgender athletes.

>> That wasn't my question. My question

was, you've got the Olympics coming to

your state. You want to be the

California governor. I am actually a

resident in California in Los Angeles.

So, I'm very curious about your response to how you would want the Olympics to be

to how you would want the Olympics to be conducted, which would be fair and

conducted, which would be fair and equitable for women, but it seems to me

equitable for women, but it seems to me like you would like to remove any any

like you would like to remove any any sexual differentiation between the the

sexual differentiation between the the Olympic sports and let them all compete.

Olympic sports and let them all compete. It would be genderneutral, wouldn't it,

It would be genderneutral, wouldn't it, if you were governor?

if you were governor? Well, uh I again I want to be sure that

Well, uh I again I want to be sure that everyone has the ability to compete.

everyone has the ability to compete. >> But would you would you have a

>> But would you would you have a genderneutral Olympics where you would

genderneutral Olympics where you would have not you wouldn't have male and

have not you wouldn't have male and female sport then you just have one one

female sport then you just have one one that everyone could join in?

that everyone could join in? >> Well, I don't think we're going to get

>> Well, I don't think we're going to get that tomorrow. But I think it's a

that tomorrow. But I think it's a conversation worth having. You think

conversation worth having. You think it's a conversation worth having where

it's a conversation worth having where you have genderneutral Olympics

you have genderneutral Olympics >> because we need to understand what the

>> because we need to understand what the attributes are of athletes across the um

attributes are of athletes across the um spectrum.

spectrum. >> But you've already said that you

>> But you've already said that you understand the reason they separate the

understand the reason they separate the sexes is that men have a physical

sexes is that men have a physical advantage over women. That is why we

advantage over women. That is why we separate the sexes in the Olympics.

separate the sexes in the Olympics. >> Uh in some sports I believe so.

>> Uh in some sports I believe so. >> Tell me a sport where it where it would

>> Tell me a sport where it where it would have no impact.

have no impact. I do believe that women are equipped to

I do believe that women are equipped to break records in track and field. And

break records in track and field. And some of

some of >> Tell me one track and field event where

>> Tell me one track and field event where a woman would beat a man in the

a woman would beat a man in the Olympics.

Olympics. >> Well, if um

>> Well, if um >> in fact, let me make it easier. Tell me

>> in fact, let me make it easier. Tell me a single track and field event in the

a single track and field event in the Olympics where a woman would qualify for

Olympics where a woman would qualify for any of the finals.

Well, I would think that in some of the um in the short course, you know, track

um in the short course, you know, track events,

events, >> the short What do you mean like how

>> the short What do you mean like how long?

long? >> Um it's not going to be the long the

>> Um it's not going to be the long the long races, but the the the shorter

long races, but the the the shorter races

races >> 100 meters, 200 meters.

>> 100 meters, 200 meters. >> Uh could be 100 meter. Sure. You think

>> Uh could be 100 meter. Sure. You think I'm sorry to Betty, but given that

I'm sorry to Betty, but given that obviously I got you on because Katie

obviously I got you on because Katie Border wouldn't ask answer questions.

Border wouldn't ask answer questions. You genuinely think that we should have

You genuinely think that we should have a genderneutral 100 meters in the

a genderneutral 100 meters in the Olympics when it comes to California.

Olympics when it comes to California. >> What I am saying is I don't know that we

>> What I am saying is I don't know that we know fully. We know fully.

know fully. We know fully. >> But why do you think we do? We do know

>> But why do you think we do? We do know fully because we know that women's 100

fully because we know that women's 100 meter records compared to men's show

meter records compared to men's show that men are much much faster over 100

that men are much much faster over 100 meters than women. That's why we

meters than women. That's why we separate the sexes. Same with 200 m,

separate the sexes. Same with 200 m, same with 400 m, same with 5,000 m, same

same with 400 m, same with 5,000 m, same with 800 meters, same with 10,000 m.

with 800 meters, same with 10,000 m. That is why we separate the sexes. If

That is why we separate the sexes. If you had men and women competing in the

you had men and women competing in the same Olympic track and field events,

same Olympic track and field events, women would never win a medal again. How

women would never win a medal again. How do you not know that?

do you not know that? Well, let me just say this. I think we

Well, let me just say this. I think we can all agree that we want people to

can all agree that we want people to have equal opportunity to participate. I

have equal opportunity to participate. I don't know that we know um frankly just

don't know that we know um frankly just uh with the with transgender people

uh with the with transgender people participating in athletics um really how

participating in athletics um really how they would fare in competition. Um so I

they would fare in competition. Um so I would like to be able to see full

would like to be able to see full participation and if it means having to

participation and if it means having to put transgender people in a different uh

put transgender people in a different uh type of division to see how they

type of division to see how they perform, we would do that. But would you

perform, we would do that. But would you as a principle you would quite like to

as a principle you would quite like to see a genderneutral Olympics when it

see a genderneutral Olympics when it comes to LA?

comes to LA? >> Uh if that if the um physicality of of

>> Uh if that if the um physicality of of the sexist bear true to that including

the sexist bear true to that including with transgender people yes it should be

with transgender people yes it should be gender neutral. I don't think we know

gender neutral. I don't think we know enough.

enough. >> You don't think we know enough about the

>> You don't think we know enough about the relative physiology of men and women to

relative physiology of men and women to work out whether they should compete

work out whether they should compete separately?

separately? Uh certainly when uh transgender people

Uh certainly when uh transgender people um transition and there are

um transition and there are participating in athletics um I think we

participating in athletics um I think we need to we need to know more.

need to we need to know more. >> Would you like boxing to be

>> Would you like boxing to be genderneutral in the Olympics?

genderneutral in the Olympics? >> No, of course not.

>> No, of course not. >> Why not?

>> Well, I'm not a boxing fan and I'm not a particular big fan of the of the sport.

particular big fan of the of the sport. It has um high potential for for injury

It has um high potential for for injury and harm

and harm >> really. So how did you feel about Iman

>> really. So how did you feel about Iman Khalif, the Algerian boxer competing in

Khalif, the Algerian boxer competing in the Paris Olympics when I khalif had

the Paris Olympics when I khalif had failed uh to qualify for the world or

failed uh to qualify for the world or been disqualified from the world

been disqualified from the world championships the year before for

championships the year before for testing positive for male chromosomes?

>> Um I don't know much about boxing, Pierce. I'm sorry.

Pierce. I'm sorry. >> I don't have a view about it.

>> I don't have a view about it. >> Okay. Uh, Betty, thank you very much

>> Okay. Uh, Betty, thank you very much indeed for joining me. I appreciate it.

indeed for joining me. I appreciate it. Well, let's go to Steve Hilton,

Well, let's go to Steve Hilton, Republican candidate for governor.

Republican candidate for governor. Steve, welcome to Uncensored. Um,

Steve, welcome to Uncensored. Um, sometimes I do an interview where I I

sometimes I do an interview where I I half wonder if I'm being set up that

half wonder if I'm being set up that somebody is answering in a way so

somebody is answering in a way so deliberately ridiculous that it's part

deliberately ridiculous that it's part of a prank. But I don't think that was

of a prank. But I don't think that was the case. Um, genderneutral Olympics uh

the case. Um, genderneutral Olympics uh is Betty Ye's clarion call for LA.

is Betty Ye's clarion call for LA. It's amazing, isn't it, Pierers? Um, I

It's amazing, isn't it, Pierers? Um, I think we may just have seen another

think we may just have seen another California Democrat candidate torpedo

California Democrat candidate torpedo their campaign for governor. I mean,

their campaign for governor. I mean, extraordinary. Um, I'll just tell you

extraordinary. Um, I'll just tell you very quickly where I stand on this. Um,

very quickly where I stand on this. Um, in terms of the Olympics, by the way, I

in terms of the Olympics, by the way, I think that it's the IOC that sets the

think that it's the IOC that sets the participation rules and the California

participation rules and the California the ho the the the executive of the host

the ho the the the executive of the host city or state doesn't have a say. Uh,

city or state doesn't have a say. Uh, but I'll look into that. I'm talking to

but I'll look into that. I'm talking to Caitlyn Jenner, actually, a friend of

Caitlyn Jenner, actually, a friend of mine, about all of these issues in

mine, about all of these issues in relation to the Olympics. She's giving

relation to the Olympics. She's giving me great,

me great, >> who is, by the way, the most sensible

>> who is, by the way, the most sensible voice on all of this. I mean, Caitlyn,

voice on all of this. I mean, Caitlyn, when Caitlyn identified as a woman in

when Caitlyn identified as a woman in transition, I remember Caitlyn saying

transition, I remember Caitlyn saying that she went to compete in her local

that she went to compete in her local golf club tournament and they said she

golf club tournament and they said she could now go off the women's TE's. And

could now go off the women's TE's. And she went, "Well, that would be

she went, "Well, that would be ridiculous. I'm still 6' three or four,

ridiculous. I'm still 6' three or four, right? I still have the same physiology

right? I still have the same physiology I had when I competed in the male

I had when I competed in the male decathlan and won gold medal. Uh if I go

decathlan and won gold medal. Uh if I go off the women's tease, no woman could

off the women's tease, no woman could beat me. And she just said, "Look, just

beat me. And she just said, "Look, just I'll go off the men's tease. It's fine.

I'll go off the men's tease. It's fine. It's no big deal." That is a pragmatic,

It's no big deal." That is a pragmatic, sensible way around all these issues.

sensible way around all these issues. But to hear somebody who wants to be the

But to hear somebody who wants to be the governor of California advocating for a

governor of California advocating for a genderneutral Olympics with thinking

genderneutral Olympics with thinking that track and field in particular I

that track and field in particular I know

know >> is where women could compete fairly

>> is where women could compete fairly against men. I mean completely insane. I

against men. I mean completely insane. I was watching it and it's almost like one

was watching it and it's almost like one of those reaction videos, you know,

of those reaction videos, you know, someone if someone was taping it in your

someone if someone was taping it in your team, it's like my jaw was literally

team, it's like my jaw was literally dropping and she had short form and as

dropping and she had short form and as you I mean I think I almost said the

you I mean I think I almost said the same words that you did at the same

same words that you did at the same time. What 100 meters? Are you kidding?

time. What 100 meters? Are you kidding? >> I mean literally I mean against Usain

>> I mean literally I mean against Usain Bolt at his peak for example. I know. I

Bolt at his peak for example. I know. I mean a woman would literally barely be

mean a woman would literally barely be halfway down the track.

halfway down the track. >> It's insane. Look, the the the what I do

>> It's insane. Look, the the the what I do know uh what I can do about this as

know uh what I can do about this as governor is go back to the origin of

governor is go back to the origin of this insanity. And actually, it's it's a

this insanity. And actually, it's it's a good example of of the role that

good example of of the role that California has played, the negative role

California has played, the negative role that has has played across the country

that has has played across the country because so many crazy far-left things

because so many crazy far-left things actually start in California and then

actually start in California and then spread to the rest of America and then

spread to the rest of America and then around the world. This all goes back to

around the world. This all goes back to a piece of legislation. It's the law in

a piece of legislation. It's the law in California that biological boys have to

California that biological boys have to participate, have to be allowed to

participate, have to be allowed to participate in girls sports. It was

participate in girls sports. It was passed in 2013,

passed in 2013, >> 12 years ago, AB 1266. I've looked into

>> 12 years ago, AB 1266. I've looked into it with my legal team. The governor

it with my legal team. The governor can't just um ignore the laws, but

can't just um ignore the laws, but actually where a piece of legislation

actually where a piece of legislation violates the California state

violates the California state constitution, the governor can initiate

constitution, the governor can initiate a process of overturning it. And that's

a process of overturning it. And that's what I will do because this law violates

what I will do because this law violates the California Constitution in two

the California Constitution in two places. Section 28 which um defends um

places. Section 28 which um defends um and protects safety in schools because

and protects safety in schools because you're seeing a lot of injuries as a

you're seeing a lot of injuries as a result of this and 30 section 31 which

result of this and 30 section 31 which prevents gender discrimination and this

prevents gender discrimination and this is obviously discrimination against

is obviously discrimination against girls. So I'm confident that as governor

girls. So I'm confident that as governor I could actually overturn that law and

I could actually overturn that law and bring some sanity back to this whole

bring some sanity back to this whole situation. You know, a couple of weeks

situation. You know, a couple of weeks ago, it looked like Katie Porter might

ago, it looked like Katie Porter might be a bit of a shoe in. Um, he now looks

be a bit of a shoe in. Um, he now looks very different. I mean, I saw somebody

very different. I mean, I saw somebody on CNN, uh, their stats guy, Harry,

on CNN, uh, their stats guy, Harry, saying this was one of the biggest,

saying this was one of the biggest, fastest meltdowns he'd ever seen in an

fastest meltdowns he'd ever seen in an individual's polling to be a governor.

individual's polling to be a governor. Um, I mean, absolute depth charge.

Um, I mean, absolute depth charge. Meanwhile, a recent poll by Zogby

Meanwhile, a recent poll by Zogby Strategy shows you 6% ahead of her. Now,

Strategy shows you 6% ahead of her. Now, there's been a real shift here. Um, you

there's been a real shift here. Um, you know, most people think it's impossible

know, most people think it's impossible for a Republican candidate like you to

for a Republican candidate like you to actually become governor in in

actually become governor in in California, but is it? I mean, are you

California, but is it? I mean, are you beginning to think that the Porter

beginning to think that the Porter meltdown has has got a bit of momentum

meltdown has has got a bit of momentum for you that could actually prevail?

for you that could actually prevail? >> Look, P, I've always said it's going to

>> Look, P, I've always said it's going to be very difficult. I'm under no

be very difficult. I'm under no illusions, but it's not impossible. And

illusions, but it's not impossible. And here's a couple of things. First of all,

here's a couple of things. First of all, after this 15 years now of one party

after this 15 years now of one party rule in California, Democrats have

rule in California, Democrats have controlled the they've had the

controlled the they've had the governor's office, uh the state

governor's office, uh the state legislature, they run all the big

legislature, they run all the big cities. There's no one else to blame.

cities. There's no one else to blame. And the results are terrible. And it's

And the results are terrible. And it's not and people around the world

not and people around the world obviously the very visible problems of

obviously the very visible problems of California misrule are very apparent.

California misrule are very apparent. You know, the homelessness and the crime

You know, the homelessness and the crime and so on. But actually on a daily

and so on. But actually on a daily basis, everything else is even more of a

basis, everything else is even more of a disaster. Right now, we have the highest

disaster. Right now, we have the highest unemployment rate in all of America and

unemployment rate in all of America and the highest poverty rate, the highest

the highest poverty rate, the highest housing cost, the highest cost for gas,

housing cost, the highest cost for gas, electricity, water, you name it, the

electricity, water, you name it, the worst business climate. Everything's a

worst business climate. Everything's a disaster. And so, you're seeing a

disaster. And so, you're seeing a majority now pretty consistently for the

majority now pretty consistently for the last two years or so. Quite a sizable

last two years or so. Quite a sizable majority who say the state's going in

majority who say the state's going in the wrong direction and we need change.

the wrong direction and we need change. So, there's a majority for change. The

So, there's a majority for change. The question is, are people going to uh

question is, are people going to uh support a campaign from a Republican?

support a campaign from a Republican? And that's my argument that actually a

And that's my argument that actually a non ideological positive practical

non ideological positive practical campaign that's that's that's what I'm

campaign that's that's that's what I'm running on. Not divisive ideological

running on. Not divisive ideological issues but simple practical things

issues but simple practical things cutting gas prices cutting electric

cutting gas prices cutting electric bills especially cutting housing costs

bills especially cutting housing costs so you can afford a home of your own. I

so you can afford a home of your own. I think it is possible. And you look at

think it is possible. And you look at the other Democrats running actually

the other Democrats running actually although they haven't had the kind of

although they haven't had the kind of meltdown maybe we've just seen one with

meltdown maybe we've just seen one with Betty Ye as Katie Porter has but they're

Betty Ye as Katie Porter has but they're all kind of the same thing. is the same

all kind of the same thing. is the same old machine politician that's come up

old machine politician that's come up through the ranks. They all tow the

through the ranks. They all tow the party line. They're controlled by the

party line. They're controlled by the unions. I don't see anyone there who can

unions. I don't see anyone there who can actually offer the change that we so

actually offer the change that we so obviously need in California. That's why

obviously need in California. That's why I'm confident that I can do it.

I'm confident that I can do it. >> I'm certain I mean the anger management

>> I'm certain I mean the anger management issues with Katie Porter seem to go back

issues with Katie Porter seem to go back a long way because her her divorce

a long way because her her divorce papers resurfaced this week. Um, her

papers resurfaced this week. Um, her ex-husband, Matthew Hoffman, alleged

ex-husband, Matthew Hoffman, alleged that she dumped a bowl of steaming hot

that she dumped a bowl of steaming hot boiled potatoes on his head, said she

boiled potatoes on his head, said she was prone to extreme anger, had a quote

was prone to extreme anger, had a quote history of snapping and screaming at him

history of snapping and screaming at him and the children, and would claw and

and the children, and would claw and scratch her arms while blaming him for

scratch her arms while blaming him for the markings. Uh, he said that Porter

the markings. Uh, he said that Porter wouldn't let him have a cell phone

wouldn't let him have a cell phone because she said, quotes, "You're too

because she said, quotes, "You're too effing dumb to operate it." Um, and so

effing dumb to operate it." Um, and so it goes on. Um, and then you see the

it goes on. Um, and then you see the clips of her screaming at the staffers

clips of her screaming at the staffers for getting in her shot. You see the way

for getting in her shot. You see the way she tried to deal with that journalist

she tried to deal with that journalist for asking perfectly reasonable

for asking perfectly reasonable questions that she'd asked of every

questions that she'd asked of every candidate. And you get an impression of

candidate. And you get an impression of somebody who has a very short views,

somebody who has a very short views, very arrogant, very entitled, and the

very arrogant, very entitled, and the consequence of all this colliding at the

consequence of all this colliding at the same time is a dramatic drop in her

same time is a dramatic drop in her popularity. Do do you think now as Betty

popularity. Do do you think now as Betty Ye said before she probably depth

Ye said before she probably depth charged her own campaign, do you think

charged her own campaign, do you think it's time that Katie Porter dropped out?

it's time that Katie Porter dropped out? >> Well, any normal person would say that,

>> Well, any normal person would say that, but what's been interesting and it shows

but what's been interesting and it shows you how things operate with this

you how things operate with this Democrat machine in California. Just in

Democrat machine in California. Just in the last few days since this meltdown,

the last few days since this meltdown, you've seen day after day people coming

you've seen day after day people coming out in support, not people,

out in support, not people, organizations, the unions to be precise.

organizations, the unions to be precise. unions have come out and said, and I'll

unions have come out and said, and I'll just tell you the kinds of things

just tell you the kinds of things they're saying. We don't need someone

they're saying. We don't need someone who's polite. We need a fighter in in in

who's polite. We need a fighter in in in California. Katie Porter is our fighter.

California. Katie Porter is our fighter. She may not be the most polish. She may

She may not be the most polish. She may be not the most polite, but she's the

be not the most polite, but she's the etc. Right. So, the unions of, you know,

etc. Right. So, the unions of, you know, rolling in behind her. So, I'm not sure

rolling in behind her. So, I'm not sure that she will drop out, but I don't

that she will drop out, but I don't think there's any prospect that she's

think there's any prospect that she's going to actually get to the we we have

going to actually get to the we we have a system in California. It's called the

a system in California. It's called the top two system. So, you don't have a

top two system. So, you don't have a Republican and a Democrat primary.

Republican and a Democrat primary. Everyone's on the same ballot and the

Everyone's on the same ballot and the two top candidates go forward. Right

two top candidates go forward. Right now, all the polls show me as being one

now, all the polls show me as being one of the top two. Up until now, it's been

of the top two. Up until now, it's been Katie Porter. I think we we're looking

Katie Porter. I think we we're looking at another Democrat coming in and it

at another Democrat coming in and it feels as if the machine is moving behind

feels as if the machine is moving behind a guy called Alex Padilla, who is the

a guy called Alex Padilla, who is the current US senator for California. Seems

current US senator for California. Seems to me they're trying to recruit him

to me they're trying to recruit him almost to get into the race. But my

almost to get into the race. But my argument is it doesn't really matter who

argument is it doesn't really matter who they put up. It is time for change in

they put up. It is time for change in California. How can a Democrat come and

California. How can a Democrat come and clean up the mess that they made?

clean up the mess that they made? >> And on balance, do you think Betty Ye

>> And on balance, do you think Betty Ye may have to withdraw her candidship

may have to withdraw her candidship after what we just witnessed?

after what we just witnessed? >> Well, I Well, again, there is a

>> Well, I Well, again, there is a constituency for those views, I'm sad to

constituency for those views, I'm sad to report, here in California. But most

report, here in California. But most normal people I mean even in California

normal people I mean even in California the majority who think that uh

the majority who think that uh biological boys should not compete in

biological boys should not compete in girls sports is very large. I think

girls sports is very large. I think across the country it's like 85 90%. In

across the country it's like 85 90%. In California it's 65 70% if I'm right in

California it's 65 70% if I'm right in remembering those numbers. So I think

remembering those numbers. So I think that again the activists and the and the

that again the activists and the and the real core of the Democrat machine will

real core of the Democrat machine will think that she did a good job honestly

think that she did a good job honestly which is stunning but that's how far

which is stunning but that's how far >> you know what Steve I've got a new book

>> you know what Steve I've got a new book coming out called Woke is dead and I

coming out called Woke is dead and I actually make the point it's not

actually make the point it's not actually dead yet it will keep popping

actually dead yet it will keep popping up with outrageously ridiculous things

up with outrageously ridiculous things that people are going to say and do but

that people are going to say and do but the public tolerance of them

the public tolerance of them >> is rapidly diminishing. In other words,

>> is rapidly diminishing. In other words, they're like weeds in a in a garden when

they're like weeds in a in a garden when they pop up. They have to be they have

they pop up. They have to be they have to be dealt with. I've got a feeling

to be dealt with. I've got a feeling when Betty Ye sees the reaction to what

when Betty Ye sees the reaction to what she has said about the Olympics coming

she has said about the Olympics coming to California and how she would like it

to California and how she would like it to be genderneutral, particularly in the

to be genderneutral, particularly in the 100 meters, the ridicule that is going

100 meters, the ridicule that is going to fall on her head is going to be such

to fall on her head is going to be such that I suspect her position as a

that I suspect her position as a candidate will become untenable pretty

candidate will become untenable pretty quickly. Uh and that's because actually

quickly. Uh and that's because actually the woke ideology at its core is

the woke ideology at its core is ridiculous. And we've just seen a clear

ridiculous. And we've just seen a clear example of how ridiculous it can be.

example of how ridiculous it can be. Steve Hilton, great to talk to you.

Steve Hilton, great to talk to you. Thank you very much.

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