This content introduces a group test of semi-affordable dual-sport motorcycles, aiming to help riders choose the best bike for their individual needs and riding styles rather than declaring a single "winner."
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Okay, hey guys. Uh Nathan from Dorothy's
Speed Shop down in North Devon. Um I
take people on motorcycle tours.
Uh often on these kind of bikes, CRF
300. Maybe for this year, Rave 307. Also
for this year, KTM 390 Enduro R. Maybe a
DRZ 400S and most certainly Himalayan
450. There's a lot of bikes in this
class now, uh in this category of sort
of a semi-affordable. I mean, they all
vary in price, but I guess apart from
the DRZ, they're
all affordable sub sub 6,000 lb. This is
a UK-based test, so that's what I'll
refer to, English pounds.
They all offer something different, and
I think that's what's so interesting
about this sector of the market. All
bikes are coming into it, but they've
all got different strengths and
weaknesses and different characteristics
that are going to suit some people and
not suit others. Um
this is a fleet of bikes I've assembled
and I'm here for people to ride
back-to-back. Um I haven't put the dates
up for this year cuz I'm not sure if I'm
going to be doing it cuz there's there's
a few issues with insurance these days,
and if anybody runs insurance knows it.
Insurance is a is a crooks of all
beings, so we'll see how that goes. But
for now, I've got this fleet of bikes.
I've just added the Rave 307.
The format of this group test
is that I'm going to take each bike out
in turn. I'm doing a set route. I'm
going to do a video on each bike so I
can focus on each bike.
The aim isn't to pick a winner because
as I said, what is best? Well, it
depends who you are, what you want to do
with it, what type of riding you're
going to do, how experienced you are.
So, there isn't best bike here. It's
about this this this group test here is
about ascertaining what which bike is
best for you. Uh so, that's what I'll
try and break it down on each day's ride
with each bike. What this bike's
strengths and weaknesses are, who
they're going to suit, who it might not
suit, who it might be best for.
If you got any questions about any
particular bike, please put them in the
comments on this video, and then I'll
try and answer them as I go through each
bike. If I just go through each bike
initially as an introduction, I've got
the CRF 300 Rally that's been on fleet
with me for about 5 years. Never missed
a beat. I think it's about 8,000 mi.
It's running a pair of Continental TKC
80s. It's running standard suspension,
so it's a standard bike. A lot of people
do a lot of mods to the CRF, but this is
me assessing a standard bike, I guess,
against standard bikes. These bikes are
pretty much all stock. Just on the
subject of tires, I know people like to
have a control tire, i.e. every bike has
the same
tire on it, but
A, I think that I think that's great. B,
for me, it's not really a practical or
affordable for me to put 6,000 new tires
on just so you can take a you know, a
little bit more from it. What I would
say what I would say is my experience
with these bikes, I can I can tell you
what difference that tire that's on that
bike is making and what difference a
different tire would make. So, I think
there's going to be benefit in being
able to assess these bikes in the same
conditions with different tires cuz I
can tell you if it's going to be worth
putting a set of trackers on or whether
it's going to be worth sticking with the
Timsons on the Voge or a TKC 80 as a
compromise tire or a Karoo 4 on the on
the year 390 or or what's going to work
best on the DRZ, for example. So, I'm
leaving what tires I've got on, which is
generally a TKC 80, trackers on that
one, standard Timsons on that. The
trails I'm going to use I'm going to
ride on. Some of you all people who are
regular viewers of this channel will
recognize a lot of the trails, but I'm
going to try and go from easy trail so I
can I can say what it's going to be like
for like the easy novice rider who's
wanting to maybe ride ACT in Portugal or
Spain, you know, that easy gravel type
stuff with lots of grip, which bike
might work best there. Then I'm going to
step it up to a a medium style trail
where there's a bit more mud, a bit more
rock, a bit more climb, and then onto
the final stages which is more, I guess,
long-distance trial section type stuff
which is going to be relevant for those
guys in the UK particularly, I think,
who are looking for a bike in this class
to do more edgy riding, more technical
riding. So, cuz I because I think a lot
of people are looking at this class of
bikes as well, I don't want a an Enduro
bike because it's it's too it's too
small a focus, too narrow-minded on the
trail work, doesn't work on the road.
But those kind of buyers are still
wanting a bike to do that. So, I I shall
try and answer which is the best bike
for the technical hardcore rider. You
know, I'm not quite there myself, but
I'll give it a go. But also, what who
what's it which bike is best for
somebody who's just mid-set and who's
going to be which bike is best for
somebody entering this this class of
bikes. So,
that's it. Ask about the bikes and I'm
finished going through them yet.
Uh the Voge 300 Rally, as I say, that's
a stock bike.
That's the benefit of the the Voge 300
Rally is it's a lot cheaper than the
CRF, and that's been its trump card ever
since it came out 2 or 3 years ago. You
know, it's it's 3,000 it's now 4,100.
Uh and just watch that some of the
Chinese companies or the importers put
on big on-the-road costs. The Voge has
got a 300 lb on-the-road cost. The
Honda, it's included in the price. So,
if you can't you're not comparing apples
and apples if you can't play compare
list price cuz on that you've got to add
300 lb. So, just bear that in mind, but
that's 6,600, that's 4,100. So, there's
still 2 and 1/2 grand difference. And
that's what sold the Voge. It does
pretty much everything as well as the
CRF, in some ways better, I think, the
fact you don't have to upgrade the
suspension, but it's 2 and 1/2 grand
cheaper. So, that's been a big asset to
that bike. The Rave 307 is the new
pretender, new contender. There's been
some glowing reviews on this. Uh mine
still is probably at the end of its
running-in process. There's a few
niggles I'm working through. I've got a
power commander coming from France to
try and give it a bit more bottom end
punch cuz it's a bit flat on the
throttle, a bit boggy.
Uh and the front mudguard is terrible.
So, uh there's a guy on the forum who's
recommended a KTM
Enduro one which fits straight on for 20
quid. So,
hopefully I've fixed those little
niggles we've got with a 307.
It's 1,000 lb thereabouts more than
this. Actually, it's not even 1,000,
it's less. It's about 800 lb more than
the Voge. It feels a more diminutive,
smaller, compact bike.
The idea is it's got more power than
these two,
but let's see what it's like on the
trails. Actually, I can tell you what
it's like on the trails. It's quite a
very engaging experience and it'll be
even better once we get that throttle
sorted. Talking of throttles, got the
KTM 390 Enduro R. I picked that over the
Adventure when I ordered them for the
fleet because I just think it's more
interesting. Um
the Adventure sort of a known entity,
it's going to go up against the CF Moto
and Himalayan 450, you know, in that
sector, but what about the 390 Enduro?
Is it the bike that we've always been
wanting, i.e. a CRF with a bit more
punch, which that's got,
and also great price, 5,600 lb. So, what
can that deliver? Can it do the gnarly
tri- tricky TRF type stuff?
And how much better on it on the road is
it over these bikes? Where's the
trade-off? Where's the gain? But that's
a very exciting bike.
Um and a lot of people have compared it
to the DRZ 400S, but I think they're
very different bikes. This has got a
road-derived chassis and a road-derived
engine. That's all off-road. And what my
experience so far is that it's an off
it's an off-road bike. It's for people
going off-road. I found it a little bit
heavy. I found it a little bit
top-heavy, and I found it likes that
sixth gear, and I found it overpriced.
So, that's coming from a low starting
point, to be honest. You know, I I I'm
interested to take these bikes out again
with a clear palate and and actually
reassess that bike because, you know, I
I've I've wondered where it sits in the
market. It's it's selling to people who
value Japanese manufacturing, but does
it stand on its own two feet as a bike,
you know, taking that taking that
element aside? How does it perform on
the trails? How does it perform on the road?
road?
So, the DRZ has still got some questions
to answer. And last but not least,
Himalayan 450, which is the heaviest
bike in this class almost by 50 kg, but
it's got a nice way in which it carries
it on the trail. I found it very capable
on technical trails,
far more than I thought it would. It's
got great suspension. It's got a punchy,
responsive engine. So, there's lots of
attributes to it, and then obviously
it's got the legs on the road that maybe
this side of the market won't have or
the DRZ. So, we're going to start with
the 300s. I think the 300s are going to
show or yeah, show the benefit of a
lighter weight. These are all around
150, 155 kg. Once we get up here, we're
stepping up a bit, 160 5. I think that's
I think I said DRZ quite light on paper,
but it's it's got a mass to it that that
actually makes it feel heavier than what
it is on the spec sheet. Actually, just
even watching the bikes around, I can
lift I can lift these bikes quite easy,
move them around. DRZ,
somehow it just sits heavy on its on its
springs, and I I found it difficult to
lift up, which is kind of replicates how
it I feel like it rides.
But obviously, these bikes are heavier,
up to almost 200 kg with the Himalayan.
Can they do the same kind of trails? How
much easier is the Himalayan on the easy
track? I'll find out and I'll I'll try and
and
go through each bike
and try to come to a bit of a conclusion
about each, but yeah, it's a it's a
real, you know, I'm really excited
looking at these bikes. I I think these
bikes are all capable of taking you on
some great adventures, uh doing lots of
riding that you might otherwise not do
on a big bike because of the
intimidation factor.
And I think certainly like the 150 kg
class, they allow the novice average
rider to hit the track, hit the trail,
not have a lot of technique, maybe not
have a lot of strength, but be able to
do it because the bike allows it allows
and enables them
to do it. And also from a price point of
view, you know, financially,
you can afford to drop these and throw
them at the edge bottom, whereas 15, 20
grand on a Desert X or GS 1300, maybe
you can't. So, that's for me what why
these are
like a really interesting bunch. Once I
finish with these six, I've got a few
other bikes I'm going to whittle through
as a as as a single bike test. I've got a
a
uh Triumph 400 X Scrambler with a rally
kit. I've got a CCM GP 450. We'll see
how that goes, you know, as a bit of a
blast from the past. And then also got
Himalayan 411. Is that bike still
relevant? You know, it's a really cheap
bike to buy, a cheap bike to run, an
easy bike to work on. It's got some
really good virtues, but how does it
fare on a travel trail
experiment or conditions such as this
one? Just bearing in mind the conditions
I'm in is North Devon in England. It's
very wet at the minute. We've had a lot
of rain. Everything's very muddy. It's
going to be different conditions to
where you might be riding the bike, so
interpret what I'm saying and apply it
to what where you're going to be riding.
If it's dry, there's no ruts, wide open pace,
pace,
the virtues of these bikes are going to
differ. You know, just
in context, the DRZ400S, I'm riding that
bike out in Moab in April with a group,
and it's going to be all canyon land
country, so big wide open pace, faster riding.
riding.
I think it'll suit that bike far better
than maybe the sloppy gloopy steep lanes
of North Devon will, but I shall find
that out as I go. So, quick
introduction, if you've got any
questions or any you know, what
thoughts about any bikes here, let me
know in these comments. And as it as the
next week or two, it'll take me a couple
of weeks to go through it. I'm not a
fast worker when it comes to editing videos.
videos.
I shall go through each bike, upload
each video, and then do a a final
verdict video,
and try and sum up,
you know,
which bike's for you, because I think
there's a lot of people
it's trial and error, and it's an
expensive game is trial and error. And I
think people are look look for reviews
to give them the answers so they don't
make the mistake that cost them money.
I do think also
there's a there's a tendency to
overthink this, to to overanalyze and worry.
worry.
I've I've took people on on on many
trips on all on these kind of bikes,
different bikes, CRFs, Varges. I've
never had one person get to the end of
the trip and say, "Oh, I hate my bike."
or "I wish I were on that bike." I think
after a after a bit of a gestation
period on a bike, maybe a week, maybe 2
weeks, maybe a month, maybe you need to
do a bit of setting up for it to suit
you and your kind of riding. But once
you've gone through that process and you
you've took it on your first trip, I
think the bond has been made there. So,
sometimes if you're not if you're not
bonded with a bike, it's maybe because
you've not put it in in the in the
environment in which it will shine and
you'll make a connection. So,
don't that's what
a lot of these bikes come up for sale
with 500 mi on, and I simply think it's
because they've not been put in the
context in which they're going to
surprise you and and and enable you. So,
whatever you've bought, don't write it
off too quick. Give it a couple of
thousand miles, give it a bit of a trip
before you do that. So,
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