The content argues that a potential war with Iran is being pushed by specific interests, primarily Israel, despite significant risks to the US and global stability, and that mainstream media is complicit in this push through biased reporting and suppression of dissenting views.
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Well, in between the Super Bowl halftime
show and Epstein and the Winter
Olympics, most Americans probably
weren't aware that we are on the verge
of a massive regional war in the Middle
East, if not a third world war. We are
the largest movement of American
military hardware uh is since 2003, the
Iraq invasion uh is now in or steaming
toward the Persian Gulf off Iran.
preparatory to what could be the
affforementioned war. Now, most people
once again probably didn't know this.
Those who did know it weren't for it.
The recent polls on this question, are
you for a war with Iran? It's about one
in five Americans support it. The rest
are probably asking, "War Iran? Why
would we have a war with Iran?" They
said, "No idea." Um the president did
address it last night in his State of
the Union um and at a press conference
and he said in public what he basically
says in private. Trump being one of
those rare public figures who's pretty
much the same behind closed doors as he
is on stage. Says pretty much the same
stuff. He's a little funnier in private,
but basically he's not a different guy.
He's the same guy. And he's been saying
the same thing about Iran for a long
time. Really two things. One, Iran
cannot have a nuclear weapon. they
cannot have a nuclear weapon. He says it
again and again. He really means it.
That's not a talking point. It's
completely sincere. And two, I would
prefer a negotiated settlement. I would
prefer peace rather than war. And that's
obviously true. So to bottom line, where
we are right now at the end of February
2026 on this looming Iran war seems
likely have all those aircraft carriers
in the Persian Gulf, planes ready,
missiles ready, but it's not certain
because the president hasn't decided to
do it. And you may not get that
impression either from watching the
news. There is this sense that it's
inevitable and that's kind of a scop
actually designed to make you think
there's nothing you can do about it. No,
Trump has not decided to do this. Again,
seems likely. All the momentum is in
that direction,
but the president's the sole decider on
this question. He's the commander-in-chief,
commander-in-chief,
and he's showing no obvious signs of enthusiasm.
enthusiasm.
And why would he? There are a lot of
reasons not to do this. The first being
the one just mentioned, which is most
Americans don't want it. And though it's
not a direct democracy, it's a form of
democracy, and you probably shouldn't
commit history changing acts without the
support of your people. And Trump feels
that way. This is someone who pays very
close attention to say TV ratings. Why
is that? Not just because he worked in
TV, but because he thinks they're a
pretty good measure of what people are
interested and he cares about what
people think and he's willing to listen
to almost anybody. So
that's a good reason not to do it. The
public's not behind you. Maybe you've
got great reasons to do it that they
don't know about yet, but we haven't
heard those and the president hasn't
really explained them other than to say
Iran is bad. Yes, that's been the
official US position since 1979. Iran
can have nukes. That's always been the
president's position and we would like
some kind of settlement.
The reason he's not eager to start this
war is because he in general isn't eager
to start wars. Hasn't been anyway, but
because this would be a particularly
tough war. This is the largest buildup
since the Iraq war. But Iran is not
Iraq. It's much much much bigger and
much more technologically advanced.
Population of Iran's about 92 million.
In 2003, almost exactly 23 years ago,
when we rolled into Baghdad, the
population of Iraq was 25 million. So
Iran is more than three times bigger.
The land mass of Iran is multiple six
times bigger. It's huge. It's a huge,
pretty advanced country compared to
Iraq. So that's a problem right there.
This is a serious thing to start a war
with a real country. Are we in a
position to do that? Well, there's some
debate about that. The US military
performs in a remarkable way under
certain circumstances. But is the US
military right now ready for a prolonged
conflict with a big country? H no, it
turns out, and these are facts taken
from open-source material that have been
published, they're on the internet. You
can look it up. None of this is
classified. This is all out there, but
current estimates suggest that the
United States is so low on some munitions,
munitions,
partly because we've used them in the
defense of Israel already in the last 12
months. But whatever the cause, the
United States is so low on certain kinds
of munitions
that were we to have even a brief but
intense engagement with Iran, our
military would not be ready for like 10
years to fight a real war
against, you know, a peer or nearpeer adversary.
adversary.
So out the window would go any hope of
defending Taiwan. on whether or not this
is a good idea is kind of, you know, up
to you to decide. But that would not
even be on the table because we wouldn't
be able to. We would be much weakened by
this because we don't have the stock
piles and we don't have the necessary
industrial capacity to replace them
quickly. So, we are not in a position to
have a lengthy engagement and everyone
at the Pentagon who's gaming this out
understands that. And again, this has
been reported publicly, though not
necessarily in the New York Times or the
Washington Post, at least not on the
front page, but it's widely known. So,
it' be a tough war. We're not in a great
place to fight it right now, and the
potential downsides are absolutely real.
Lots of things could happen. There are
tens of thousands of Americans in the
region, of course, in uniform and out.
They could be hurt or killed. There's
Israel, our ally, which is probably a
little more vulnerable than we pretend
it is to conventional attacks from
ballistic missiles. Do the math on how
many missiles Iran is believed to have
versus how many anti-bballistic missiles
Israel has or we have to defend Israel.
H they could be in trouble. And then
there's a question of what happens to Iran?
Iran?
Like does it fall apart?
Does it disintegrate as a country? To be
clear, as of tonight, there is no
Israeli plan for what comes a day after
we depose the Ayatollah,
knock out the leadership of the country.
What happens then? Going to put in the
former king's son or something? No one
believes that's real. Will the country
hang together with Palavi
on the throne? Come on. No one is
thinking this through because the people
pushing this clearly don't care what
happens after. The point is to take out
Iran as a coherent country, not to
protect Israel,
but in order to sweep Iran aside as a
regional rival. Once Iran is gone,
there's no question as to who controls
the Middle East. It of course would be
the only nuclear armed power in the
Middle East, Israel. Period. That's the
reason. The problem is if the country
were to disintegrate, the downstream
effects would be profound for everybody else.
else.
You would likely have refugee crises.
Where would they go? Well, Europe.
They haven't enough refugees. They might
go right across the water to Qatar or UAE.
UAE.
Oh, that could be a huge, huge problem.
So why would they push for this?
Well, you have to think that the people
pushing for this are not stupid. They've
thought through the consequences. Let's
say the United States attacks Iran.
Maybe Iran just says, you know, you're
absolutely right. We're evil. We're
rolling over. Everybody in charge is
going to retire, commit ritual suicide.
we're going to turn it over to some
Western Democrat who brings in
pro-choice politics and gay marriage and
like we're cool. We're going to join
NATO at that point. That's great.
But what if Iran decides better to die
on your feet than on your knees and just
unleashes its conventional arsenal
against American assets in the region,
against Israel, and critically
against energy infrastructure in the
Gulf. What would happen then? Well, you
would see a global depression if they
did that. If they were successful in
doing that, if the extraction facilities
and refineries and petrochemical plants
in the Gulf were disabled,
how expensive would oil be per barrel?
How much would gasoline cost? What would
steel go for? What would happen to
liqufied natural gas, which goes to both
Europe and China? What would happen to
Europe if you disrupted the flow of LG
from the Gulf to Europe? What would
happen if you close the straits of Ramuz
the choke point at the end of the
Persian Gulf?
I mean wouldn't destroy the world
forever probably but it would tank the
economy in the meantime for sure. And
who would suffer most? Well, let's see.
The Gulf States, Europe, and the United States.
States.
It's kind of weird that anybody,
especially an ally, would push for a
conflict that's almost guaranteed to
hurt its so-called allies.
Why would you do that? You can tell me
you love me, but if you're encouraging
me to commit suicide, you're probably lying.
lying.
It's possible that we should judge
people's intentions by the effects of
what they do, not by their own
description of their motive.
Is it possible that there is some hostility
hostility
toward the United States, the Gulf
States, and Europe from the people
pushing this war? Oh, there's a lot of hostility.
hostility.
And part of it makes sense. The Gulf
States, the six Arab oil producing
states called the GCC in the region are
along with Iran one of the main
impediments to Israel's regional
hegemony. They are very rich.
They produce something that the rest of
the world needs. They're also very good
at diplomacy, particularly Qatar. They
settle a lot of disputes
internationally. They've posited
themselves as the Switzerland of the
Middle East and they've done a good job
at it actually. And so they are a rival
to Israel. You hear on Fox News they're
Hamas supporters. No, no, no. That's not
their sin. Their sin is existing as a
powerful independent country in
potential rivalry with the regional
hegeimon Israel.
So shafting them would be a very good
thing from the Israeli perspective.
But what about the United States,
Israel's benefactor, its closest ally?
Hm. Why would they want that?
Well, maybe if you're gaming this out a
little bit, you've decided we need a new
superpower. Public opinion in this
country has swung against us so hard.
This bipartisan consensus that we're its
closest ally is disintegrating before
our very eyes. And let's be honest with
ourselves, this is not going to continue forever.
forever.
We need another country to be aligned
with. Now, how many big countries are
there to choose from? It's got to be
physically large, big population,
nuclear armed.
Not too many. In fact, the big ones
would be China and India.
But China, unfortunately, is a
Hanthnostate. So, you can't really turn
its population against itself in order
to increase your own power. It's not
going to work. It's resistant to this to
manipulation. And that leaves India. And
it was probably no coincidence that the
prime minister of India, Prime Minister
Modi, spoke to Knessa today about the
ancient ties between Israel and India.
Bottom line, yes, Israel is moving on
from the United States at some point,
probably sooner rather than later, to
India. And so weakening the United
States in a war with Iran is not all
bad. In fact, it might be good because
then there's no rivalry at all in your
region. It's you, the only country with
nuclear weapons
and everybody else. So, you can kind of
do whatever you want. You don't have to
worry about hostile neighbors. You can
expand the size of your territory, for
example. You can move your borders in
all directions. Who's going to stop you?
No one. So, if you game this out for a
minute, the things that from an American perspective
perspective
seem horrifying, like real downsides,
holy smokes, we could tank the US
economy. We could wreck the energy
sector, at least temporarily. Some of
our key Arab allies could be disabled by
this. Those all seem very bad from an
American perspective. Are they so bad
from an Israeli perspective? No, they're
not. Actually, they may be the point
long term.
So where does this leave our president,
President Trump? Well, it leaves him
where he began, which is very resistant
to start big new wars. He of course ran
for president both times, all three
times, on the promise that he wouldn't
do that. And he very famously in the
2016 campaign attacked Jeb Bush because
of his brother's invasion of Iraq. That
was idiotic, he said. And of course, he
was right. And 23 years later, we know
exactly how right he was. That war,
which lasted 20 years, waged on behalf
of our ally, Israel, didn't help the
United States. It helped to impoverish
the United States and sink this country
deeper into debt to weaken the dollar
and destroy a generation
of young men,
mostly from the flyover states, the most
decent and patriotic among us, destroyed.
destroyed.
So from an American perspective, Iraq
was a true disaster. And Trump was the
first big political candidate to say
that out loud. He knows this. He always
has. So why would he even be considering
a war with Iran?
Well, one way to think about it is the
United States may not have a choice
about whether or not this war starts
because of course the government of
Benjamin Netanyahu could always act
unilaterally preemptively against Iran
and just do it. Just strike Iran. What
would happen then? Well, most likely the
Iranians would strike Israel and then
potentially strike American assets in
the Gulf and then potentially strike
energy facilities in the Gulf and the
United States would be by definition
drawn in.
So, it's possible
that the US government, while not
anxious to go to war with Iran, is
trying to find a way to contain the
behavior of its closest ally, Israel,
rather than sit back and wait for BB to
do something that we have to clean up
that we're implicated in and then sucked into.
into.
It's possible that the US government is
attempting to steer this in a less
destructive direction. It's possible.
None of this, of course, is filtered
down to people paying attention because
the few who are paying attention to this
because all the noise has been about
Iran's nuclear weapons. They're on the
verge of building a nuclear weapon any
day now.
Now, if you're semi-awwake, you may
remember that it was only about 8 months
ago, back in June of last year during
the short but hot 12-day war against
Iran that the United States took out
nuclear processing facilities deep
underground and then announced, "We have
ended the Iranian nuclear threat." And
then without you noticing, well, you
were on summer vacation or going to your
kids' graduation or bringing them back
to school or watching the Super Bowl
halftime show with your jaw slack. Well,
you were not tuned in. All of a sudden,
that threat out of nowhere reemerged and
there's Benjamin Netanyahu on television
or at the White House for a seventh time
in a single year making the case that
we're right on the verge of a nuclear
holocaust. Any day now, the Iranian
government will have a nuclear weapon.
And by the way, as noted, the president
does not want Iran to have a nuclear
weapon. That is one thing that he takes
very, very seriously. And he said that
to the Iranians. And unfortunately,
turns out whatever side you're on, the
current Iranian government is very hard
to deal with.
They're disorganized. The head guy is 87
years old. There's almost no
communication directly between the governments.
governments.
The supreme lead leader in Iran has
never had a single phone call with the
president of the United States.
It's unclear exactly who's in charge.
There all kinds of factions. I mean,
it's it's a nightmare.
So, the only people who've really been
out there speaking in public about
Iran's nuclear program
basically are Benjamin Netanyahu, Prime
Minister of Israel, and his many
accolades and paid shills in the United
States. You may have seen this tape
before, but in case you haven't, it's
worth watching again because it reminds
us that Benjamin Netanyahu has been
saying exactly the same thing about
Iran. They're about to have a nuclear
30 years. Here it is. Now they're well
into the second stage
and by next spring at most by next
summer at current enrichment rates they
will have finished the medium enrichment
and move on to the final stage.
From there, it's only a few months,
possibly a few weeks
before they get enough enriched uranium
for the first bomb.
>> You talked about a network of terror.
Uh, are there any other nations that you
would recommend that the United States
launch preemptive attacks upon at this point?
point?
>> No, the issue is not
the issue is not first of all, are there
other nations that are developing
nuclear weapons? Yes.
>> Should we should we launch any other
preemptive attacks?
>> First, let me say what they are and then
let me make a suggestion. and how to proceed.
proceed.
>> Thank you.
>> Uh the answer is categorically yes. Uh
the uh the two nations that are vying
competing with each other who will be
the first to achieve nuclear weapons uh
is Iraq and Iran. And Iran by the way is
also outpacing Iraq in the development
of ballistic missile systems that they
hope will reach the eastern seabboard of
the United States within 15 years. The
most dangerous of these regimes is Iran
that has wed a cruel desperatism to a
fanatic militancy.
If this regime or its despotic neighbor Iraq
Iraq
were to acquire nuclear weapons,
this could preage catastrophic consequences,
consequences,
not only for my country and not only for
the Middle East, but for all of mankind.
I believe that only the United States
can lead this vital international effort
to stop the nuclearization of terrorist
states. But the deadline for attaining
this goal is getting extremely is
extremely close.
>> You can see you can see why the
government of Israel has such contempt
for the United States while they're
totally happy to tank our economy,
stretch our military to its limit,
degrade us in public. Why? Because our
leaders put up with this. Some foreigner
shows up in our capital
every year for 30 years telling the same lies
lies
and everyone in there just nods along.
All 535, oh really? Iran's about to get
a nuclear weapon. I ran into a senator
the other day. He was like, "Ran's about
to get a nuclear weapon." I mean, they
believe it. How could you ever expect
for people who believe something that
dumb? Well, you couldn't. And they don't.
don't.
And by the way, it's not just the claim
that Iran is seconds away from a nuclear
weapon that they're recycling here. It's
maybe the oldest lie in American foreign
policy you heard in those clips, too,
which is we need to do this because it's
a despotic regime that is oppressing its
own people.
Now, this line is older than you may know.
know.
And the reason it's so distressing, it's
so cynical,
is because it plays upon Americans best
quality, which is decency.
Americans hate desperatism. They believe
freedom is granted them and all people
by God. And so a regime that oppresses
its own people is inherently
illegitimate. Americans are born
believing that. And God willing, they
always will believe that because it's true.
true.
So, if you're trying to sell an
illegitimate war waged for reasons that
had nothing to do with human rights at all,
all,
you would use that line, wouldn't you?
Probably. Well, American policy makers
have used that line and we pulled some.
You want to hear some? This is I'm going
to get my glasses, which I've dropped.
Excuse me. We we pulled this and this
actually made me laugh out loud. So,
this goes back well 61 years. Here's
Lynden Johnson 1965 in his speech at
Johns Hopkins explained that the war in
Vietnam which was just getting intense
then just three years from Tet from the
height. He said this tonight Americans
and Asians are dying for a world where
each people may choose its own path to change.
change.
So really we're doing this for the
Vietnamese people. Okay. Now then Bush,
George W. Bush, son of George HW Bush,
said this right before the Iraq war
started. We're quoting, "We have no
ambition in Iraq except to remove a
threat and restore control of that
country to its own people."
Right? We did that for human rights
reasons. We just wanted democracy in
Iraq. Did that happen? The Christian
population was annihilated.
Hundreds of thousands of people died and
political control was turned over to the
Ayatollas in Iran. Hm. No. But he said
it anyway, and so did Dick Cheney, by
the way. My belief, he said in the
leadup to the Iraq war, is that we will
be greeted as liberators. The vast
majority of Iraqis would respond
favorably to an effort to rid the
country of Saddam's regime. Well,
someone who happened to be in Baghdad in
December of 2003, the day we caught
Saddam at Decree, I can attest to what
you already know, which is that's where
the insurrection started.
But Barack Obama even 3 years after
getting elected president, having been
thoroughly briefed and had a lie in 2011
said this about the bombing of Libya and
the murder of our sometime ally and CIA
asset Mar Gaddafi. Quote, "This is a
plea for help from the Libyan people
themselves. They're desperate for it.
Regime change in Libya, said Barack
Obama, would serve America's quote
broader goal of a Libya that belongs not
to a dictator, but to its people.
It's I mean, what can you do but laugh?
It's so absurd.
It's such an obvious lie. It's like BB
Netanyahu saying they're minutes away.
As long as people believe this or are so
polite they pretend to believe it,
politicians will keep telling the same
lies. You have to make them pick a new lie.
lie.
Now what's interesting is that the
administration, I think to its credit,
hasn't done a ton of this. There's been,
you know, the oh, we feel bad for the
billion Iranians murdered in the streets
of Thyrron or some whatever. Who knows
what the number is. You can't believe
any number connected to any conflict in
any country ever because everyone lies
about them all the time. But some number
of Iranians protesting the Iranian
government apparently were killed by the government
government
and we feel bad about that and we
legitimately do feel bad about that. Is
that a good reason to topple the
existing power structure and just let
the country devolve into whatever
happens next? Probably not. And the
administration hasn't really made that
case or really any case other than they
can't have nuclear weapons. So you can
at least feel satisfied that they're not
trying very hard to lie to you. They're
basically just saying looks like we
could have a war cuz everybody knows the
only reason we're having this war is
because Israel wants it. This is their
last chance. They believe
this presidency is the last presidency
where they're going to have unequivocal
bipartisan support.
Period. You can't primary every Thomas
Massie and there's a whole army of them
coming at some point because everyone
can see what's going on. And you can
shut down X and you can just shut down
the internet. You can be like Great
Britain and arrest people who protest
Israel, but attitudes are not going to
revert to what they were 5 years ago.
Sorry. And they know this. So this is
their last chance.
What's so amazing
is that Israel, which at least is acting
in what it perceives to be its own
national interest,
is joined by its shills in the United
States, of course, but really its only
other ally in this is the American news
media, whose job it is to tell you the
truth and inform you as to what's
happening, to tell you, hey, wake up.
The world could be changing and it's
going to affect you and your family.
That's their job. and instead they've
been lulling you to sleep with the same
variety of transparent lies and propaganda.
propaganda.
And so just for fun, we decided we would
pick a cross-section and not just from a
liberal media or right-wing media, but
from all media because it's not a
leftight question. Chuck Schumer is
every bit as much in favor of an
invasion of Iran, a regime change war in
Iran as I don't know, pick a brain dead
Republican senator, which is almost all
of them. They're all for it and so are
all the Democrats.
You don't see Alexandria Kaziocortez
making a real case against a pro fora
case because she knows that all of her
constituents hate it. But is she really
working to stop this? Of course not.
Because they're all for it. because
they're paid to be for it and so are the
media. So, here's a here's a quick cross-section.
cross-section.
Now, it goes without saying that the
Wall Street Journal owned by the Murdoch
family has been by far the most
egregious and the most stealthy cuz
starting new regime change wars on
behalf of Israel is like the whole
reason to have the Wall Street Journal
now apparently. But here's just a few headlines.
headlines.
The diminishing risk of an Iran attack.
Quote, "Two years ago, there was a
strong possibility the region would
spiral out of control. Not anymore."
Really? Oh, really? What is the plan?
The day after we depose or kill the
87year-old Supreme Leader or President
Peskian, what's the plan? Do you have a
plan? No plan. But don't worry, it will
not spiral out of control. The Wall
Street Journal assures you of that.
Here's another. A fractured Iran might
not be so bad. Well, yeah, it could
spiral out of control and break into
different provinces and, you know, it
could become Libya or Syria or Lebanon.
That's not so bad cuz you know why?
Quote, "Its borders are artificial. OH,
THEY'RE FAKE and a breakup would
frustrate the interests of China,
Russia, and others."
Okay, so our global rivals wouldn't like
it, therefore it's good. And quote, "Its
borders are artificial." As compared to
whose borders? All borders are artificial.
artificial.
God didn't draw them. Sorry, my cuckabe.
They're drawn by people. Artificial.
What? No, it's a country has been for a while.
while.
And if you blow it up into constituent
parts and incite a civil war, there
going to be downstream effects of that
again like refugee crises into Europe
and the Gulf States, probably the United
States, too, since it is the iron law of
American foreign policy that once you
start bombing people, you have to let
all their angry kids into your country.
And that's how, by the way, we got the
Boston Marathon bombing and many other
acts of terror. Thanks, neocons. And
then there's this. John Bolton still
exists, writing for the Wall Street
Journal. The Gaza ceasefire has diverted
Western attention from THE REAL THREAT,
You'd really have to be John Bolton to
think that Tyrron and its surrogates are
even in the top hundred issues Americans
are worried about at the moment. They're
not. This is knowable. It's pulled all
the time by Gallup and others. Thrron
and its surrogates are admittedly an
issue of concern to Israel and to its
shills here, but they're not actually a
problem for a continent-sized country
separated from the world by two great
oceans. Not a problem. As long as you
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years ago when Lachland Murdoch took
full control of it. And now it's like commentary.
commentary.
It's like any other publication from a
neocon think tank in Washington. is just
advocating for war and lying to you in
order to get you to support it. So,
here's just a quick selection from the
New York Post. Memo to President Trump.
Don't miss this historic moment to
strike Iran and end its terror regime.
This historic moment.
Iran's rulers plainly fear US strikes.
Trump should prove them right.
Mr. President, you're so strong and
dangerous. You have a chance to prove
that. They fear you.
Memo to self. Never accept flattery
uncritically because it is deeply
subversive. Attacks are straightforward.
Flattery is reptilian.
Flattery is the true danger. Oh,
President Trump, you're so strong.
They're afraid of you. Prove them right
by killing them.
And then, if Trump doesn't strike Iran
now, history will never forgive him.
If you don't have a war with Iran,
history will never forgive you. probably
depends on who writes that history,
but hundreds of millions of Americans
will forgive you. They'll be grateful to
you for pulling us back from the brink
of something we don't need and don't
want. And then last, of course, Douglas
Murray, the eminent historian everyone
respects, Douglas Murray. He's got a
British accent. He's not being paid to
say this. Don't worry. Trump has a
chance to end Kamini's reign of terror
in Iran. HIS REIGN OF TERROR. Because if
there's one thing Douglas is concerned
about, it's human rights in Iran. He's
been there.
And now to the New York Times. And this
is interesting if you're a right-winger
because the New York Times is of course
like the most liberal publication in the
world. It's NPR on paper.
It's totally different from say Fox
News. It's like they're they're polls
apart. They have nothing in common whatsoever
whatsoever
except on a few questions like immigration
immigration
and war and the basis of our economy
which is finance and real estate the
banks except on those issues there's
some overlap. Okay, there there's
vigorous consensus. In other words,
except on the issues that actually
matter that drive history that determine
whether or not your children thrive in
this country or not. On those issues
they're one and the same. And so here's
a section. We'll put this one up on the
screen because it's so amusing. Here's
Mr. Brett Stevens. Uh three different
pieces he's written on this question.
He's obviously uh a man with a great
deal of credibility and authority on
regime change wars, having advocated for
all of them, none of which has worked.
The case for striking Iran. Can we let
Iran get away with mass murder?
Israel had the courage to do what needed
to be done. the case for overthrowing
Maduro, the Syria opportunity. We
absolutely need to escalate in Iran. And
then my personal favorite from 2023, 20
years later, quote, "20 years on, I
don't regret supporting the Iraq war."
Okay. Should you be admitting that
20 years later, I am not ashamed to wear
women's underwear. Well, actually, you
should be ashamed. You should be
embarrassed. If you don't regret
supporting the Iraq war, if that support
occasioned no soulsearching in you, then
you, my friend, have a spiritual
problem. All of us make mistakes. All of
us support dumb things. As someone who
supported the Iraq war, I can attest to
that personally.
So, the acid test is not do you make
mistakes. The acid test is do you admit
that you did and do you apologize? But
if you refuse to do either one of those
things and instead 20 years later are
still bragging about the greatest
disaster in modern American history as
if it's a badge of honor. Hard to know
if we have anything in common as people
because that's contemptable and scary.
It's never occurred to you the Iraq war
was a mistake. Really? On what basis was
it a success? H So if that's really your
view, maybe we shouldn't trust you when
you tell us that we have a moral
obligation to attack Iran. Just throwing
that out there.
So that's where the print media are. But
let's be honest,
it's not really the print media who are
driving this because this is a
Republican administration and as
everyone knows, Republicans have one
main news source and that's Fox News.
I have some familiarity with the product
and I can say that even as Fox News's
reach and power and influence have
diminished greatly, mostly due to
technological changes. People go on the
internet, they don't pay for cable, but
as it has diminished, it has not broken
the strangle hold that Fox has over
Republicans in Washington. They watch
Fox. They want to go on Fox. And so Fox
has really driven this war. And if it
occurs, you can thank Fox more than any
other media organization, more than any
other lobbyist, more honestly than any
government, more than the government of
Israel. Fox News has pushed for this
war. Its owners personally have pushed
for it personally.
And of course, its employees on the
channel have pushed for it with such
aggression. and unonymity that as of
tonight there is not a single on air Fox
personality who is going to question
going to war with Iran. There are some
who may have reservations. There was one
on a weekend show who very bravely spoke
up and said, "Is this a good idea?" That
was the last time this topic was
discussed on that weekend show because
the order has gone down to Fox
employees. we are in favor of this war
and that is
very obvious if you watch it. Now, one
of the main cheerleaders
cheerleaders
for an invasion of Iraq and every other
invasion and every other instance of
shedding of human blood or just a
killing in general would of course be
Senator Lindsey Graham of South
Carolina. Now, if you don't watch Fox,
you may have no idea what he actually
says when he goes on Fox, which is all
the time. So, we want to play you a
short montage of Lindsey Graham. And
watch as you watch this, his eyes. And
you can see that he is maybe for the
first time that day, feeling elevated
and light and happy, but also
tantalized. You can almost watch his
mouth fill with saliva.
Some people feel this way in strip bars,
others in bakeries.
Lindsey Graham is excited by killing.
And if you think that's cruel, watch
this. changes coming to Iran. It'll be
the biggest change in the history of the
Middle East to get rid of this Nazi
regime. Hit Iran. They have oil fields
out in the open. They have the U
Revolutionary Guard headquarters. You
can see from space. Blow it off the map.
There's an opportunity to hit the Iran
nuclear program in a fashion I haven't
seen in decades. And I think it would be
in the world's interest for us to
decimate the Iranian nuclear threat
while we can be allin, President Trump,
in helping Israel eliminate the nuclear
threat. If we need to provide bombs to
Israel, provide bombs. If we need to fly
planes with Israel, do joint operations.
So pray for our troops in harm harm's
way. There are risk associated with any
operation. They join the military to
keep their country safe and to make the
world a better place. and taking on the
ayatollah does both. If I were you, Mr.
President, I would kill the leadership
that are killing the people. And to the
ayatollas, you need to understand if you
keep killing your people who are
demanding a better life, Donald J. Trump
is going to kill you.
I mean, now you can look at that and
say, you know, this guy's risking his
soul talking like this. This guy's wrong
on the evidence.
This guy's clearly a buffoon with some
kind of psychosexual problems um that
we're not qualified to diagnose but that
are totally evident. But you should also
keep in mind as you watch Lindsey
Graham, he's taken very seriously by his
colleagues in the Senate, not just the
Republicans, but also the Democrats, and
he's taken very seriously by Republicans
in Washington more broadly. Of course,
he is. He's taken very seriously. This
And that effect could
get us into, you know, certainly the
worst war uh in 23 years. So the idea is
to flood the zone, the information zone,
to make sure that no Republican in
Washington hears anything but that. And
the proponents of this war are very
intent on that. They've made no effort
to convince you it's a good idea. They
are staying up night and day convincing
the decision makers it's a good idea.
And they're trying, by the way, to shout
down and threaten and defame and slander
and exclude anybody
who has a contrary view, who might pipe
up and say, "Wait a second. Are we sure
this is a good idea? What would happen
if the energy trade gets shut down in
the Persian Gulf?" What would happen if
Iran lobbed, successfully lobbed some
sort of armament into a US aircraft
carrier and Americans died? What would
happen? What would happen if Israel felt
threatened enough to use nuclear weapons
against Iran, which is a possibility
despite what they tell you. That's a
possibility. What would happen? Once
these things get going, you don't know
where they wind up. And anyone who says
he does know is lying, obviously. So,
anyone who raises those questions must
be called a Nazi and an anti-semite. And
you want to kill Jews? No.
Don't want to kill anybody.
The game is to make sure that the only
noise in the room comes from Graham and
people like Graham, right? Until, of
course, someone pushes play and it's too
late to stop it. And at that point, we
can all pretend we were never for this
or they just did it wrong or whatever.
We've seen this movie so many times. You
know exactly what's going to happen if
it goes south.
And the truth is it works because people
are intimidated.
Donald Trump, to his great credit,
listens to everybody. Everybody. And by
the way, in his speeches when he starts
rolling and adlibbing and all that, the
weave as he calls it, he'll often say,
"I talked to this guy." And like he
actually kind of listens to people.
But people around Donald Trump have been intimidated,
intimidated,
understandably, by the level of pure
aggression aimed at anybody who raises
totally reasonable points about the
downsides of a war with Iran. So they
haven't said anything. So keep in mind,
and by the way, this is a message anyone
who knows Donald Trump, has a good
relationship with him, likes him, loves
the United States, now is the time to
maybe call and say, "Whoa, whoa, wait a
second. Have some concerns here. Now is
the time, right now, because the
decision has not yet been made."
But it's not just aggression, it's also
lying. So, I'm going to play one last clip
clip
before we go to Clayton Morris, who's
spent many years in the US media, uh,
and has a, I think, more tactile sense
of what's going on here in information
world. But, one last clip, and this is
from, I think, two days ago, and this is
from a man at Fox, a weekend show host
called Mark Leavvin. And really nobody
has elevated his own visibility to a
greater extent or worked harder to get
the United States into war with Iran
than Mark Levvin has. And he's done it
not through brilliant argument, incisive
analysis, basically through screaming.
But as we get closer and closer and
closer to the time where this work could
actually start, Leven has decided to
just make stuff up. And the clip you're
about to hear is from his podcast, I
believe, and you can check it two days
ago. And it is grounds for dismissal
from Fox News, immediate grounds for
dismissal. And it's also at the very
least grounds for like questions to him
like, "What are you doing? What are you
doing saying something like this?" This
is Mark Levin telling his listeners,
such as they are, that Iran has nuclear
tipped ICBMs aimed at the United States.
Watch this. They'd slaughter a million
of their own people if it meant
retaining power. That's not a government
of a country. Those are terrorists that
control a country.
It is a police state
that's slaughtering its own people to
stay in power so it can slaughter us. It believes
believes
as the seventh century primitive
barbarians believed
that they must destroy civilization.
They believe today that they must
destroy the West.
Most prominently the United States of
America. Those nuclear ICBMs aren't
aimed for Tel Aviv or Jerusalem. They're
aimed for New York and Los Angeles and
Chicago and everywhere in between and
around the United States of America. the
enemies of civilization. If you wake up
in a world where Mark Levvin is publicly
identified with quote civilization, you
are an upside down world. Civilization
begins with the acknowledgment that
human life is sacred, that God created
each person as an individual, that
identity politics is therefore wrong,
and that telling the truth matters
because truth is absolute. You may get
it wrong, but the idea that nothing is
true is a form of nihilism. And that
attitude is the enemy of civilization.
And yet that's exactly what you just
saw. Iran does not have nuclear tipped ICBMs.
ICBMs.
And they're not aimed at the United
States. That is a lie. It is a provable
lie. Now, why is he saying that? Not
because he hopes to win an argument, but
because he hopes to whip his listeners
into such a frenzy of fear and rage that
they will support something that will
hurt them. This will hurt the United
States almost without question if it
happens. This is not good for you. It's
not good for our actual allies, the
energy producing countries in the Middle
East, which are our actual allies.
Israel is in no sense or ally in this.
And yet Mark Levin
will not and none of these people will
address that debate. Instead, they're
just lying to scare people into
supporting something that will hurt
them. Mark Leven actually tweeted this.
And if you're old enough to remember the
Iraq war, this is going to make you
laugh. Iran producing ballistic missiles
with chemical and biological warheads.
We mustn't delay any longer.
They have WMD.
Where did that information come from?
Well, it came from the free press. No, I
beg your pardon. It did not come from
the free press, though. They probably
repeated it. It came from an al another
aligned publication in Washington.
Is there any evidence of that? No, of
course there's no evidence of that. And
I'd be willing to bet my house that that
lie originated in the same place the
original WMD lie originated in 20 in
2002 before the Iraq war in Israel. Of course,
course,
tell Americans, tell the Congress, tell
the White House that the country we want
you to spend your money and your lives
to overthrow so we can have a greater
degree of control or hgemony in our
region. That that country is a threat to
you because they have weapons of mass
destruction. That was a lie then, it's a
lie now, but they're saying it.
And so if you followed Mark Leven's
Twitter feed, which I didn't until
today, but it's an amazing thing actually,
actually,
you'll see that he's given up all
argument, any attempt to win anyone over
and instead repeating,
"Kill Kamani, take out Kmeni, take out
Kmeni every single day." Now, what is
this? Well, it's really a kind of
witchcraft, actually. It's the idea that
if you repeat something enough that you
can will it into existence. The words
And by the way, that works.
Unfortunately, that works. If you repeat
a lie enough, it assumes substance.
God isn't fooled, but people are.
And so when you see somebody doing that,
saying something that's totally untrue,
that contradicts the observations of
your eyes and ears, like I know that's
not true.
And you see that person brush off the
fact that it's not true and continue to
repeat it, you know that that person is
trying to mesmerize you and put you
under whatever kind of spell this is.
And that person is scary.
And that right now, ladies and
gentlemen, is most of the American media
and most of the US Congress. So, keep
praying. In the meantime, Clayton
Morris, who once had a seat on the
fabled Fox News Morning Show, joins us
now uh for an update on what he thinks
going on with the media. Clayton Morris,
thank you so much for doing this. If
>> it was a dirty seat, Tim.
>> It was a It was So, are you I mean, tell
me if you think it's fair to say that mo
not all, but most traditional left-right
media are aligned. They have
disagreements of course on the trans
issue, but on
this issue, whether or not we go to war
in Iran, it seems like there's complete agreement.
agreement.
>> And there always has been. There's no
there to me there's no daylight at all
between both of these parties. We call
it a uni party. That term gets thrown
around quite a bit. This idea of the uni
party, but they are in lock step on this
issue as far as I see it. Very few
voices are speaking out about it. If
they do, they get pushed out. I mean,
look at Marjgery Taylor Green, Matt
Gates, you know, questioning why we're
in Syria.
>> How dare you? How dare you ask why? Why
are we in Syria?
uh Congressman Massie, very few voices.
Congress uh Senator Paul, but there's
very few there's very little daylight uh
in these parties on this issue at all.
They desperately want war. I was sitting
here thinking cuz you have the
ideological push, right, from Mark
Leavine. He he doesn't really care about
the money.
>> No, it's the you know, it's the Greater
Israel project. That's what his big push
is. But Lindsey Graham and these others,
is it really about Israel or is it
really about the money? And I think for
most of these people, it's probably
about the money. It's the massive
military-industrial complex. You know, I
got warned when I was on Fox. warn me
about much, but that was one of the
things, tread carefully when I was
criticizing the massive buildup, the
massive military-industrial complex. Um,
the amount of money that we're spending
on this um to go to war in Iran or or
Libya or Iraq or Afghanistan or whatever
other boogeyman of the week that you
have, whether it's Russia through
Ukraine, weapons that wind up in Mexico,
shut up. Don't ask those questions. So,
we're all just supposed to sit back and
then when you question it, why are we
giving so much money to Israel? Why do
we give all of our money to these
different places? Shut up. Because these
weapons are made in our backyard. And
so, if you, as you know it better than
anybody, but the military-industrial
complex sits in the neighborhoods of
most members of Congress.
>> Yep. Because whether you drive to
Colorado Springs or you drive to
Witchah, Kansas, inevitably there's
going to be some arm of Northrup Grumman
or Boeing or any name it name it.
Honeywell, it doesn't really matter, who
are all receiving trillions of dollars
now as part of this massive boondoggle.
So, heaven forbid that they would ever
question the money that's flowing to the
into the military-industrial complex.
So, all of them are bought and paid for
and they're all part of this big cabal.
And I think you bring up a great point about
about
they're all in lock step because they
want us to be fighting here like in this
narrow structure, right? have some
culture war like you know whether it's
funny stories on Fox News about HOAs
telling people to remove like Christian
symbol whatever it is right you just you
fight in these like little in this
little bubble you know but the real
story is out here and they want us
fighting in here so it looks like that
they're really at odds with each other
that AOC is really against Mike Johnson
you know they're and and instead they're
all in agreement they're all in
agreement and they're all in lock app.
When I I read very little on this
because it's also misleading, but when I
do read big media outlets on this
question and Epstein for that matter,
but Iran uh this week, I really get the
feeling that the intel agencies have
some hand I get the strong feeling, the
overwhelming sense that some government
intel agency had a hand in shaping this coverage.
coverage.
That's remarkable. That is a remarkable
assessment. And uh you think you're on
the right track.
>> No, I think you'd definitely be on the
right track. And of course, up until a
few years ago, you would have been
labeled a conspiracy theorist, right?
This idea that wait a second, the intel
community has a hand in shaping our
narratives, our coverage. We only
learned about it through the Church
Committee. By the way, one of the great
great Americans. Um but go back to the
JFK assassination, right? and project
mockingb bird before it ever became
operation mockingb bird and the
infiltration of reporters at the
Washington Post and the the wiretapping
of reporters to find out where
information was coming. That was sort of
like the clandestine CIA operations
then. Then it morphs in the, you know,
into the 1970s and late 1960s and 70s
into Operation Mockingbird where they
were installing
members of the intelligence community in
newsrooms, particularly the, you know,
CBS News, the New York Times, and
others. And then once that was exposed,
it morphed into,
well, now they're just on the payroll of
these of of these uh of these networks.
You have, you know, Mike Pompeo. They're
not even hiding in the shadows anymore,
like meeting you at the water cooler,
like, "Hey, maybe you ought to not cover
that story tonight, or maybe you ought
to look at this angle of that story
tonight." Wink wink, nudge nudge. Now
you just have like people like Mike Pompeo
Pompeo
on the payroll
of of major networks. um or reporters
who are embedded inside the Pentagon who
are just adjacent to people like
Jennifer Griffin who the other night
literally on Fox News said it's not a
matter of if we go to war with Iran,
it's a matter of when. That's literally
how she ended her toss back to
>> Did she really say that?
>> Yeah. It's not a matter of if, it's a
matter of when.
>> That's not true, by the way. I mean,
just in point of fact, that's not true.
I I do think we're likely to go to war
with Iran. I agree that. But in point of
fact, Trump makes the decision and he
hasn't made it. So that's just it's just
a fact. So if you're reporting that
we're going to war, you're lying. And it
does feel like they're trying to create
this sense of inevitability.
I think her point was the military
buildup is like you can't put that genie
back in the bottle at this point that
there's so much of a military buildup.
We've moved so many expensive pieces of
equipment to this region un not unlike
the Gulf War. In fact, I've talked to
sources in Tel Aviv who told me they
haven't seen this type of buildup since
the Gulf War. So, I think her point is,
oh well, you know what, Mr. President,
maybe you just sort of sit back and let
let other people deal with this. We're
going to build it up to such a degree
where you just can't put this genie back
in the bottle. And I wonder how much
agency he has at this point to be able
to tell we're not going we're not doing it.
it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> We're not going to listen to what the
Israeli government wants us to do and to
launch this war, which would be
absolutely brutal and devastating.
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>> What's interesting is that, excuse me,
that kind of military buildup is kind of
hard to hide. And and it wasn't hidden.
It was taking place in in public and
anyone who was interested could read
about it, but I don't think most
Americans had any idea it was happening.
They sort of wake up and you have, you
know, Venezuela taking out Maduro on
January 3rd and then that moves into the
Super Bowl and Winter Olympics and like
people are just not really aware that
this buildup is taking place. And you
wake up one morning and holy smokes, the
Gerald Ford is there. So, we're on its way.
way.
Isn't the media supposed to be telling
Well, you can if you talk to, you know,
members of the military, and I do, I'm
sure you do as well, and they were
telling us, you know, in the weeks
leading up to this that wow, the uh the
the Abraham Lincoln is now on its I
think third deployment. They've been
extended. So they were supposed to come
home and this is like the longest
they've ever been out 10 months which is
like unheard of. So they now been
extended for like a third time and
they're supposed to come home and see
their spouses and sorry this has been
extended because of what's about to
happen. So like all of this information
is like readily available. But of course
there's no journalism actually happening
anymore and if there is it's being pared
from whatever the intelligence state
wants to be pushed out into the
mainstream media and people like Sean
Hannity who sit there literally and wear
a CIA lapel pin. I mean look at the look
at it. Just Google Sean Hannity CIA
lapel pin
on the news is wearing a CIA lapel pin.
I mean, so, uh, you know, this I just I
I I feel like sometimes, Tucker, I wake
up and I'm living in this like weird
bizarro world because people are going
about their business. They're going
about their day and then you and I live
in this world where we're seeing all of
these things happening and it doesn't
touch the American people necessarily,
right? They're going to go about their
day. The gas prices may go up. Depends
on what happens in the streets of
Hormuse, etc. Unless you're one of the
families of the 50,000 Americans who are
currently in the region and whom Joe
Biden said without a doubt they're you
know they will be it's not a matter of
if it's a matter of when they are
attacked. So he's expecting fully for
them to be cannon fodder. So then these
military families will have the loss of
life but of course that'll be insulated
and bubble wrapped from most of the
American people anyway and won't affect
people's day-to-day lives. So we we we
pick these fights where we're doing
these regime change wars over there and
there's very little effect on the United
States populace and the mainstream media
tries to bury and cover it or spin a
narrative. It's it's incredibly frustrating.
frustrating.
And to see the mocking bird media like
Fox News and others just pushing for
this, it's it is infuriating. But it's
not simply that they lie. It's that they
work to exclude and discredit people who
tell the truth. People who tell the
truth are punished. I mean, this is like
a principle in the gospels. The one guy
who got tortured to death was the guy
who was telling the truth, right? So, we
shouldn't be surprised by it, but I I am
every single time. I got a text today from, and I won't say this person's
from, and I won't say this person's name, it's an editor at Barry Weiss's
name, it's an editor at Barry Weiss's Gatekeeper publication who writes me
Gatekeeper publication who writes me this. I'm the features editor of the
this. I'm the features editor of the Free Press. We have a feature coming out
Free Press. We have a feature coming out about how the podcast business has
about how the podcast business has leaned into conspiracy theories.
leaned into conspiracy theories. We'd love to include your voice. Let me
We'd love to include your voice. Let me know. I said, "Pretty funny. I don't
know. I said, "Pretty funny. I don't think that line of attack works anymore,
think that line of attack works anymore, does it?" Um, and she didn't she didn't
does it?" Um, and she didn't she didn't get back to me. But I love that the only
get back to me. But I love that the only people who are telling the truth are
people who are telling the truth are attacked by the liars. And that, by the
attacked by the liars. And that, by the way, your audience, you're in Natalie's
way, your audience, you're in Natalie's audience, is way bigger than the free
audience, is way bigger than the free press, way bigger than CBS News. I mean,
press, way bigger than CBS News. I mean, I do think that the people I'm accusing
I do think that the people I'm accusing of lying have less of a grip on the
of lying have less of a grip on the American public than ever before. So
American public than ever before. So maybe it doesn't matter, but it is
maybe it doesn't matter, but it is infuriating,
>> right? We we even I think we even sell a t-shirt on our store that says
t-shirt on our store that says conspiracy knower, you know, and our
conspiracy knower, you know, and our pronouns are our pronouns are I told you
pronouns are our pronouns are I told you so. So I I'm you know, like I'm fine,
so. So I I'm you know, like I'm fine, you know, I wear it as a badge of honor.
you know, I wear it as a badge of honor. it's fine. Whether it's COVID or what
it's fine. Whether it's COVID or what was going on in Ukraine, the child
was going on in Ukraine, the child trafficking operations, whatever it is
trafficking operations, whatever it is that we've been covering on our show, I
that we've been covering on our show, I have yet to have anyone come on our show
have yet to have anyone come on our show and say, "You need to correct that
and say, "You need to correct that mistake." Oh, okay. So, you know,
mistake." Oh, okay. So, you know, conspiracy theories are just 6 months 6
conspiracy theories are just 6 months 6 month spoiler alerts, right, for what's
month spoiler alerts, right, for what's to come. So, I I love leaning into
to come. So, I I love leaning into conspiracy theories because no one else
conspiracy theories because no one else is doing the job. I mean, just look at
is doing the job. I mean, just look at the Epstein story. Where is the
the Epstein story. Where is the mainstream media? They're not covering
mainstream media? They're not covering it at all. And not even not covering it,
it at all. And not even not covering it, they're refusing to have voices on their
they're refusing to have voices on their air who could actually provide real
air who could actually provide real value, real source material. I'm
value, real source material. I'm speaking to a source today actually
speaking to a source today actually and who just who's recently been to
and who just who's recently been to Epstein Island and on Epstein Island
Epstein Island and on Epstein Island there's still papers Jeffrey Epstein's
there's still papers Jeffrey Epstein's papers scattered all over um his books
papers scattered all over um his books materials everywhere just laying there
materials everywhere just laying there not not gathered up by the FBI not
not not gathered up by the FBI not gathered up and being investigated but
gathered up and being investigated but where is this information in the
where is this information in the mainstream media where are any deeper
mainstream media where are any deeper questions about Epstein 's murder and
questions about Epstein 's murder and all of the inconsistencies that have
all of the inconsistencies that have that appeared that day at the prison.
that appeared that day at the prison. Where are these? They're not in the
Where are these? They're not in the mainstream media at all. And even like
mainstream media at all. And even like Fox News coverage of Pam Bondi's hearing
Fox News coverage of Pam Bondi's hearing was mysteriously absent. I don't know if
was mysteriously absent. I don't know if you noticed that, but no, they Fox News
you noticed that, but no, they Fox News loves to go wallto-wall with, you know,
loves to go wallto-wall with, you know, whoever whatever member of the cabinet
whoever whatever member of the cabinet is going to be there. They love to go
is going to be there. They love to go wall to wall coverage. Let's check in
wall to wall coverage. Let's check in now with Cash Patel. You know, uh, he's
now with Cash Patel. You know, uh, he's testifying before Congress today about
testifying before Congress today about what the FBI is doing. Great. spend an
what the FBI is doing. Great. spend an hour, two hours, senators, members of
hour, two hours, senators, members of uh, you know, h representatives asking
uh, you know, h representatives asking questions, House Judiciary Committee,
questions, House Judiciary Committee, and otherwise. Pam Bondi coverage, shame
and otherwise. Pam Bondi coverage, shame on you. If you tuned into Fox News to
on you. If you tuned into Fox News to see like deep coverage of Pam Bondi
see like deep coverage of Pam Bondi being grilled over the Epstein files,
being grilled over the Epstein files, sorry, you weren't going to see it.
sorry, you weren't going to see it. MSNBC carried it, if I'm not mistaken.
MSNBC carried it, if I'm not mistaken. CNN carried it, but Fox News, like, why?
CNN carried it, but Fox News, like, why? Why do they why do they not want to show
Why do they why do they not want to show Pam Bondi being questioned about the
Pam Bondi being questioned about the Epstein files? And normally they'd be
Epstein files? And normally they'd be covering that wall to wall. So there is
covering that wall to wall. So there is um a dereliction of duty happening in
um a dereliction of duty happening in the mainstream media and I know from
the mainstream media and I know from sources who have sent material to like
sources who have sent material to like News Nation and the New York Times and
News Nation and the New York Times and other major publications and they've
other major publications and they've ignored it. They've ignored it and won't
ignored it. They've ignored it and won't publish it. So why um anyway there's a
publish it. So why um anyway there's a dereliction of duty in the mainstream
dereliction of duty in the mainstream media.
media. >> So I think it's a it's a fair question
>> So I think it's a it's a fair question why. In fact, it's the important
why. In fact, it's the important question. Obviously Fox's audience is
question. Obviously Fox's audience is interested in Epstein.
interested in Epstein. you know, the the guy who partied with
you know, the the guy who partied with Bill Gates and really was friends with
Bill Gates and really was friends with Hillary Clinton. Like, why wouldn't they
Hillary Clinton. Like, why wouldn't they be interested? Of course, they're
be interested? Of course, they're interested, but they're not getting the
interested, but they're not getting the coverage from their network of choice.
coverage from their network of choice. But that's also true of New York Times
But that's also true of New York Times readers. So, it's a left right once
readers. So, it's a left right once again
again >> um collusion on this on this coverup.
>> um collusion on this on this coverup. And it is a cover up. What What explains
And it is a cover up. What What explains that?
that? I've been wrestling with this a lot and
I've been wrestling with this a lot and and I you know is it because certain
and I you know is it because certain source sources who've told me that it is
source sources who've told me that it is because how this hits just about
because how this hits just about everyone the major power players. I mean
everyone the major power players. I mean Marjorie Taylor Green admitted that
Marjorie Taylor Green admitted that President Trump called her and asked her
President Trump called her and asked her to not vote for the uh um the the dis
to not vote for the uh um the the dis what am I the dispatch um
what am I the dispatch um >> discharge petition.
>> discharge petition. >> I always get the discharge petition.
>> I always get the discharge petition. Excuse me. And of course the Epstein
Excuse me. And of course the Epstein transparency act in her her words
transparency act in her her words quoting her she said president told me
quoting her she said president told me that too many of my friends would be
that too many of my friends would be hurt and I think that's at the heart of
hurt and I think that's at the heart of it and I think the and there's a reason
it and I think the and there's a reason also I think that we haven't seen any of
also I think that we haven't seen any of the financial information yet. So,
the financial information yet. So, you know, when you and I spoke a few
you know, when you and I spoke a few years ago on the show, we talked about
years ago on the show, we talked about like Operation Gladadio and NATO, and
like Operation Gladadio and NATO, and there's a strategy that they have, which
there's a strategy that they have, which is, you know, the strategy of tension
is, you know, the strategy of tension that Colonel Towner Watkins, uh, she's
that Colonel Towner Watkins, uh, she's very eloquent on this point, and it's a
very eloquent on this point, and it's a strategy to keep us in this chaos,
strategy to keep us in this chaos, right? And it's also like a drip feed of
right? And it's also like a drip feed of information. So, we get sort of
information. So, we get sort of desperate pieces of emails,
desperate pieces of emails, but no financial information, no
but no financial information, no transactions that connect point A to
transactions that connect point A to point B. We get this person said this.
point B. We get this person said this. Peter Aia
Peter Aia said, "I can't tell everyone about you.
said, "I can't tell everyone about you. You know, you're my friend, but man,
You know, you're my friend, but man, you're kind of dirty." We get Russian
you're kind of dirty." We get Russian Russian models with Bill Gates emails.
Russian models with Bill Gates emails. We get we get random pieces of Pizzag
We get we get random pieces of Pizzag gate and all of these other things. But
gate and all of these other things. But do we get financial connections,
do we get financial connections, financial transactions, which the DOJ is
financial transactions, which the DOJ is sitting on, by the way, like why don't
sitting on, by the way, like why don't we see any of that information?
we see any of that information? And you know, to your point with the New
And you know, to your point with the New York Times or these different
York Times or these different publications covering this up, I I you
publications covering this up, I I you know, I don't know, but they were they
know, I don't know, but they were they were actively involved in this. I mean,
were actively involved in this. I mean, you have Landon Thomas, for instance,
you have Landon Thomas, for instance, right, whose name shows up
right, whose name shows up as part of the Epstein investigation. He
as part of the Epstein investigation. He was writing about the Epstein from the
was writing about the Epstein from the New York Times, financial reporter,
New York Times, financial reporter, writing about Epstein back during his
writing about Epstein back during his first arrest.
first arrest. Um, and then you have Nelly BS who is of
Um, and then you have Nelly BS who is of course the partner of wife of Barry
course the partner of wife of Barry Weiss who gets assigned by the New York
Weiss who gets assigned by the New York Times as a tech reporter
Times as a tech reporter to go and do a profile piece on Jeffrey
to go and do a profile piece on Jeffrey Epstein and it's in the files where she
Epstein and it's in the files where she claims oh my newsroom basically you know
claims oh my newsroom basically you know they told me it was or it later came out
they told me it was or it later came out in her piece why she justified it that
in her piece why she justified it that she could go and be with Epstein that
she could go and be with Epstein that I'd be safe. Like, so wait, the New York
I'd be safe. Like, so wait, the New York Times put you up to going to a known
Times put you up to going to a known pedophile sex trafficker's house? Like,
pedophile sex trafficker's house? Like, what kind of newsroom? Like, yeah, you
what kind of newsroom? Like, yeah, you should you you girl, you just run along
should you you girl, you just run along to a known sex trafficking and
to a known sex trafficking and pedophiles house and and write a profile
pedophiles house and and write a profile piece as a tech reporter. Like, look, I
piece as a tech reporter. Like, look, I covered technology for years. Love it.
covered technology for years. Love it. And I know all those people in the tech
And I know all those people in the tech world. if you call like there's no way
world. if you call like there's no way somebody from like The Verge or the tech
somebody from like The Verge or the tech reporter for the Wall Street Journal
reporter for the Wall Street Journal would be assigned to go do like a
would be assigned to go do like a criminal profile piece like on financial
criminal profile piece like on financial crimes and sex trafficking or what it
crimes and sex trafficking or what it just wouldn't make any sense. It's like
just wouldn't make any sense. It's like Bob Woodward being chosen to cover
Bob Woodward being chosen to cover Watergate, you know, like as an as an as
Watergate, you know, like as an as an as a CIA asset or intel uh you know
a CIA asset or intel uh you know adjacent asset. It just doesn't make any
adjacent asset. It just doesn't make any sense. Um, and then when you learn that
sense. Um, and then when you learn that she's cozy with Epstein and then Barry
she's cozy with Epstein and then Barry Weiss, it's just so bizarre.
Weiss, it's just so bizarre. >> As Yeah, I know. Nelly BS. America's
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this? >> Uh, Nelly Bol, she wrote a piece about
>> Uh, Nelly Bol, she wrote a piece about how Yeah, I think I have it here
how Yeah, I think I have it here actually. She wrote a piece. Um, Nelly
actually. She wrote a piece. Um, Nelly BS, the journalist and the Epstein. She
BS, the journalist and the Epstein. She published this on the 3rd of February,
published this on the 3rd of February, actually. Um, Nelly BS, the journalist
actually. Um, Nelly BS, the journalist and the Epstein. I had the chance to
and the Epstein. I had the chance to profile one of the darkest, most
profile one of the darkest, most interesting characters of our moment.
interesting characters of our moment. Why didn't I grab it? Why didn't I grab
Why didn't I grab it? Why didn't I grab it? So she writes this whole piece about
it? So she writes this whole piece about regularly using him as a source because
regularly using him as a source because he was business adjacent. So I just
he was business adjacent. So I just thought it'd be good to write, you know,
thought it'd be good to write, you know, we're going to write a profile piece on
we're going to write a profile piece on this. So the media,
this. So the media, it's remarkable how incurious they are
it's remarkable how incurious they are or intentionally. I don't believe
or intentionally. I don't believe they're dumb. They're they're not
they're dumb. They're they're not allowing, for instance, Congressman
allowing, for instance, Congressman Massie to appear on television. I know
Massie to appear on television. I know for a fact that he hasn't uh Fox News
for a fact that he hasn't uh Fox News has not had him on in I think about a
has not had him on in I think about a year. Um if I'm not mistaken, the guy
year. Um if I'm not mistaken, the guy responsible along with Roana for the
responsible along with Roana for the Epstein transparency act, but Fox News
Epstein transparency act, but Fox News won't allow EP Congressman Massie to
won't allow EP Congressman Massie to appear on their airways. Like is there
appear on their airways. Like is there some sort of gatekeeping going on and by
some sort of gatekeeping going on and by Susie Wilds inside the White House to
Susie Wilds inside the White House to keep these people from getting this
keep these people from getting this message out on their favorite network?
message out on their favorite network? >> I don't know. Oh, I mean, keep keep in
>> I don't know. Oh, I mean, keep keep in mind that Fox hates Trump. The owners
mind that Fox hates Trump. The owners hate Trump, the Murdochs hate Trump. Um,
hate Trump, the Murdochs hate Trump. Um, to the point where they wouldn't have
to the point where they wouldn't have him on.
him on. >> Um, so it's it's hard to believe it's
>> Um, so it's it's hard to believe it's because they support Trump. And can I
because they support Trump. And can I just say something because I know I'm
just say something because I know I'm going to be attacked if I don't say
going to be attacked if I don't say this. I I have no connection whatsoever
this. I I have no connection whatsoever to Nelly B's, you know, not an intimate
to Nelly B's, you know, not an intimate at all. I am distantly related to her.
at all. I am distantly related to her. So, I just want to say that. Um, but I'm
So, I just want to say that. Um, but I'm not part of any conspiracy at all.
not part of any conspiracy at all. >> Okay. Um, but I could just, not to be
>> Okay. Um, but I could just, not to be defensive, I could just I could see Oh,
defensive, I could just I could see Oh, you didn't mention that. Anyway, uh, but
you didn't mention that. Anyway, uh, but no, I agree. And
no, I agree. And >> I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
>> I didn't know that. I didn't know that. >> Yeah, I mean I Yeah, it's not it's not
>> Yeah, I mean I Yeah, it's not it's not relevant to my life in any way, but I
relevant to my life in any way, but I just I just feel like I should say that
just I just feel like I should say that uh in just to be honest about it. Um, so
uh in just to be honest about it. Um, so but Fox, it's they're pushing so hard
but Fox, it's they're pushing so hard for the war. If the war goes off, I
for the war. If the war goes off, I think it's fair to say I voted for Trump
think it's fair to say I voted for Trump and campaigned for Trump. I just saw
and campaigned for Trump. I just saw Trump. I really like Trump. I think
Trump. I really like Trump. I think this, you know, it's going to be hard
this, you know, it's going to be hard for the for the administration to
for the for the administration to continue in its present form if this war
continue in its present form if this war doesn't go well. So, it's a huge risk
doesn't go well. So, it's a huge risk for Trump. So, if you really like Trump,
for Trump. So, if you really like Trump, you would not be counseling him to do
you would not be counseling him to do this. You would not be um only if you
this. You would not be um only if you hated Trump would you tell him to get
hated Trump would you tell him to get involved in a regime change war in Iran.
involved in a regime change war in Iran. And second, if you like they're not
And second, if you like they're not protecting Trump by hiding Epstein. So I
protecting Trump by hiding Epstein. So I feel like Fox is acting on behalf of
feel like Fox is acting on behalf of someone else other than Trump. That's I
someone else other than Trump. That's I mean my assessment anyway. Who is that?
mean my assessment anyway. Who is that? >> H
>> H >> is it the moneyed interest? Is it the
>> is it the moneyed interest? Is it the globalist cultists who run everything? I
globalist cultists who run everything? I mean this is where my mind goes.
mean this is where my mind goes. >> Yes, it's whatever the superructure
>> Yes, it's whatever the superructure above governments is. And that's very
above governments is. And that's very obvious in the Epstein emails and texts
obvious in the Epstein emails and texts is that, you know, he's part of some
is that, you know, he's part of some informal structure that's, I don't know,
informal structure that's, I don't know, shorting the global financial crisis and
shorting the global financial crisis and knows that Kaddafi is going to be killed
knows that Kaddafi is going to be killed before Hillary Clinton does or whatever.
before Hillary Clinton does or whatever. Like, this guy is so plugged in. He's
Like, this guy is so plugged in. He's way more plugged in than any US senator.
way more plugged in than any US senator. He's way more plugged in than any
He's way more plugged in than any secretary of state. Probably more
secretary of state. Probably more plugged in than the CIA director. So,
plugged in than the CIA director. So, like, what is this? What are we looking
like, what is this? What are we looking at here?
at here? >> I think you're right. And you know, this
>> I think you're right. And you know, this is where people say, "Oh, you're
is where people say, "Oh, you're conspiracy theorists on Redacted and
conspiracy theorists on Redacted and Tucker, whatever." But it really is true
Tucker, whatever." But it really is true when you understand that there's this
when you understand that there's this global cultist network, pedophiles,
global cultist network, pedophiles, Satanists who are who, you know,
Satanists who are who, you know, responsible for the COVID cabal and all
responsible for the COVID cabal and all of it, this supra government, whatever
of it, this supra government, whatever you want to call it, at the heart of
you want to call it, at the heart of everything.
everything. Then you understand that like Trump is
Then you understand that like Trump is just a small piece of this. And you
just a small piece of this. And you understand also that Epstein is just a
understand also that Epstein is just a small piece of this. Maybe it's a window
small piece of this. Maybe it's a window into it in my opinion and
into it in my opinion and >> they're very scared. It's like circling
>> they're very scared. It's like circling the wagons to kind of protect this
the wagons to kind of protect this globalist network, however it operates
globalist network, however it operates at many many different levels. Um, you
at many many different levels. Um, you know, you get glimpses into it like with
know, you get glimpses into it like with the Bilderberg group and you know, when
the Bilderberg group and you know, when when you see all these people at Davos
when you see all these people at Davos telling telling us how how they're going
telling telling us how how they're going to control our lives in the next few
to control our lives in the next few years with AI, you know, chips inserted
years with AI, you know, chips inserted into our brains. um and moving past
into our brains. um and moving past information warfare. Now they're just
information warfare. Now they're just going to have total control of us and in
going to have total control of us and in all of it. So I I think that Rupert
all of it. So I I think that Rupert Murdoch and these guys, these oligarchs,
Murdoch and these guys, these oligarchs, these tech oligarchs who are at the top,
these tech oligarchs who are at the top, they're they're they're way more
they're they're they're way more powerful than President Trump and
powerful than President Trump and they're really running the show. I mean,
they're really running the show. I mean, when you see that we're going to have,
when you see that we're going to have, you know, massive bio uh, you know,
you know, massive bio uh, you know, biometric scanning and
biometric scanning and 6G networks rolled out and uh, and
6G networks rolled out and uh, and digital IDs and CBDC's and all of this
digital IDs and CBDC's and all of this digital tracking, it's all about
digital tracking, it's all about control. Um Kevin Ship, former CIA
control. Um Kevin Ship, former CIA whistleblower, told me, you know, 17
whistleblower, told me, you know, 17 years at the CIA, and he said, he said,
years at the CIA, and he said, he said, "Clayton, you have to understand that
"Clayton, you have to understand that when I when I got to the CIA, the
when I when I got to the CIA, the the you know, the number one goal at the
the you know, the number one goal at the CIA is if they can if they know your
CIA is if they can if they know your thoughts, then they've won." And that's
thoughts, then they've won." And that's the number one goal of the intelligence
the number one goal of the intelligence state is for them to know your thoughts
state is for them to know your thoughts and to be able to have that control. And
and to be able to have that control. And we're not there yet, but we're we're
we're not there yet, but we're we're damn close. And I think those are the
damn close. And I think those are the those are the dark forces that are
those are the dark forces that are really running all of it. And I think
really running all of it. And I think Trump is a small piece of this. But I
Trump is a small piece of this. But I think those power players that run all
think those power players that run all of these media networks and and all of
of these media networks and and all of it,
it, you know, the Jeff Bezoses of the world
you know, the Jeff Bezoses of the world and all of this uh have far more control
and all of this uh have far more control than President Trump does.
than President Trump does. >> Do you sense that people are afraid?
>> Do you sense that people are afraid? As I was thinking about the story today,
As I was thinking about the story today, both about the looming war and about
both about the looming war and about Epstein and how few people have stood up
Epstein and how few people have stood up to say, "Wait a second, you know, what
to say, "Wait a second, you know, what is this?" Um, and I I grew up in a
is this?" Um, and I I grew up in a country where people would routinely
country where people would routinely stand up and say, "Hey, what is this?"
stand up and say, "Hey, what is this?" And I don't see a lot of that at all.
And I don't see a lot of that at all. And I'm wondering why. And mass hypnosis
And I'm wondering why. And mass hypnosis is part of it. Of course, people seem to
is part of it. Of course, people seem to be under a kind of spell. Shock is
be under a kind of spell. Shock is another part of it. But fear does seem
another part of it. But fear does seem to play a role. People seem afraid.
I think you're right. Maybe I don't I don't see a lot of this fear and and I
don't see a lot of this fear and and I you know maybe I should be standing out
you know maybe I should be standing out there with like a sandwich board
there with like a sandwich board trying to say it. I mean I I see the
trying to say it. I mean I I see the people in our chat room who watch our
people in our chat room who watch our live show who are saying I'm I'm
live show who are saying I'm I'm terrified of what's about to happen.
terrified of what's about to happen. Where are the people who are denouncing
Where are the people who are denouncing this, trying to get this trying to stop
this, trying to get this trying to stop it? But of course, they're all being
it? But of course, they're all being drowned out. And the me and the media is
drowned out. And the me and the media is a is complicit in this. They're a huge
a is complicit in this. They're a huge piece of this salesmanship of it. And
piece of this salesmanship of it. And when you just watch like local news,
when you just watch like local news, like I'm in Colorado, you just like flip
like I'm in Colorado, you just like flip on the local news for a few minutes to
on the local news for a few minutes to get maybe some some weather updates.
get maybe some some weather updates. They'll do a little quick update.
They'll do a little quick update. President Trump says this will not allow
President Trump says this will not allow Iran to have a nuclear weapon. play a
Iran to have a nuclear weapon. play a quick sound bite of, I don't know, Mark
quick sound bite of, I don't know, Mark Levvin or Senator Lindsey Graham or
Levvin or Senator Lindsey Graham or somebody saying that this is a threat
somebody saying that this is a threat and then, you know, that person goes off
and then, you know, that person goes off to work and thinks, "Yeah, I guess Iran
to work and thinks, "Yeah, I guess Iran is a threat. I hope I hope that doesn't
is a threat. I hope I hope that doesn't happen." So,
happen." So, >> you know, we we got to stop them. We got
>> you know, we we got to stop them. We got to do this. And um so I don't see a lot
to do this. And um so I don't see a lot of the fear from just like average
of the fear from just like average people going to the grocery store. And
people going to the grocery store. And again, I think it comes back to we we
again, I think it comes back to we we are always so far removed from war in
are always so far removed from war in the United States. And that that's how
the United States. And that that's how they've thrived off this. This is how
they've thrived off this. This is how the military-industrial complex has
the military-industrial complex has thrived is by having these wars over
thrived is by having these wars over there. And we don't have to see it. And
there. And we don't have to see it. And it's very sanitized. It's like getting a
it's very sanitized. It's like getting a chicken breast from the grocery store.
chicken breast from the grocery store. You know, you don't have to see the
You know, you don't have to see the the uh the butcher process.
the uh the butcher process. >> No, you don't. you just get this nice
>> No, you don't. you just get this nice little thing in cellophane and sold to
little thing in cellophane and sold to you on the nightly news and then you go
you on the nightly news and then you go back to your taking your daughters to
back to your taking your daughters to dance class.
dance class. >> I wonder if people who do see it, who
>> I wonder if people who do see it, who are paid to notice this stuff, you for
are paid to notice this stuff, you for example and and other podcasters that
example and and other podcasters that that's that's really where truth is
that's that's really where truth is being told right now. I'm grateful to be
being told right now. I'm grateful to be in this business unexpectedly because I
in this business unexpectedly because I feel like there are so many great people
feel like there are so many great people in it, but it really is the only place
in it, but it really is the only place at this point. It'll change, but as of
at this point. It'll change, but as of right now, it's digital media, social
right now, it's digital media, social media, and podcasts. I mean, that's
media, and podcasts. I mean, that's where people are telling the truth. And
where people are telling the truth. And there are lots of crazies, too, and lots
there are lots of crazies, too, and lots of liars, but but that's really where
of liars, but but that's really where most of the truth is being told.
most of the truth is being told. Can they continue to do this? I mean, it
Can they continue to do this? I mean, it feels like there has to be some kind of
feels like there has to be some kind of dramatic free speech crackdown because
dramatic free speech crackdown because what the government is doing at every
what the government is doing at every level is too far from what the public
level is too far from what the public wants. The the distance is it's never
wants. The the distance is it's never perfect. like the government's always
perfect. like the government's always doing stuff people don't want. But if
doing stuff people don't want. But if every big thing the government is doing
every big thing the government is doing is, you know, an 8020 against issue with
is, you know, an 8020 against issue with the public, that's not sustainable. You
the public, that's not sustainable. You have to do something or you're going to
have to do something or you're going to have a kind of revolution, right? So,
have a kind of revolution, right? So, don't you have to shut down free speech?
don't you have to shut down free speech? >> I mean, that's exactly why we got rid of
>> I mean, that's exactly why we got rid of Tik Tok, right? I mean, that's you're
Tik Tok, right? I mean, that's you're going to see this consolidation of these
going to see this consolidation of these independent voices and others will pop
independent voices and others will pop up and whether or not they're as
up and whether or not they're as successful or not, I mean, who who knows
successful or not, I mean, who who knows at the end of the day. Um, but of course
at the end of the day. Um, but of course you're going to have this consolidation
you're going to have this consolidation in sale and and censorship and that's I
in sale and and censorship and that's I mean we seen it on YouTube. Um,
mean we seen it on YouTube. Um, and you've seen it on these other
and you've seen it on these other platforms and so you saw it during COVID
platforms and so you saw it during COVID and you saw
and you saw you know Elon Musk still hasn't answered
you know Elon Musk still hasn't answered the question
the question and I think it's still there which is
and I think it's still there which is that backdoor access for Twitter and
that backdoor access for Twitter and maybe maybe he will answer it. He he
maybe maybe he will answer it. He he didn't answer. I followed up with him.
didn't answer. I followed up with him. He still hasn't answered the question,
He still hasn't answered the question, but there was a backdoor access from the
but there was a backdoor access from the US government
US government to X, formerly Twitter. And I asked him
to X, formerly Twitter. And I asked him about it specifically and he didn't know
about it specifically and he didn't know anything about it when I asked him and
anything about it when I asked him and he said, "I'm going to have to follow up
he said, "I'm going to have to follow up on that." And I follow I never got an
on that." And I follow I never got an answer on that. So like
to steal your phrase, you know, like what is that really X still has a
what is that really X still has a backdoor access from the federal
backdoor access from the federal government to censor users on X?
government to censor users on X? I mean, you can just see people's voices
I mean, you can just see people's voices who criticize a certain topic who then
who criticize a certain topic who then are suddenly throttled or, you know,
are suddenly throttled or, you know, suddenly shadowbanned and whose messages
suddenly shadowbanned and whose messages suddenly don't appear in your timeline.
suddenly don't appear in your timeline. And so, again, not to be conspiratorial,
And so, again, not to be conspiratorial, but these things are going to have to be
but these things are going to have to be censored at a greater level and they
censored at a greater level and they will have more control of it. You're
will have more control of it. You're already seeing it too with answers you
already seeing it too with answers you get on AI and so many people are
get on AI and so many people are ditching Google, just general Google
ditching Google, just general Google searches.
searches. >> It's absurd, you know.
>> It's absurd, you know. so that they get new new versions of
so that they get new new versions of Google searches thinking that they're
Google searches thinking that they're getting more honest answers when really
getting more honest answers when really it's what garbage in garbage out
it's what garbage in garbage out whatever the programming is for AI it's
whatever the programming is for AI it's the answers they're going to get on that
the answers they're going to get on that side
side >> so you know it's very very difficult to
>> so you know it's very very difficult to get honest answers anymore um and all of
get honest answers anymore um and all of these sources you know on the media side
these sources you know on the media side the digital media side and where is AI
the digital media side and where is AI pulling their source material from like
pulling their source material from like mainstream media like I did a search the
mainstream media like I did a search the other day and it pulled up like six
other day and it pulled up like six different sources and Reuters
different sources and Reuters Okay. Rogers,
Okay. Rogers, >> Vox Media, you know, it's like six or
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So that's pretty funny. What did you think? Um, Mike Huckabe, we went
think? Um, Mike Huckabe, we went interviewed him last week in Israel and
interviewed him last week in Israel and um, I found his everything about him
um, I found his everything about him totally disgraceful. But
totally disgraceful. But >> but since we did that, but I tried to
>> but since we did that, but I tried to let him talk and not be a jerk, which is
let him talk and not be a jerk, which is hard for me and to, you know, kind
hard for me and to, you know, kind >> Me too. It's hard for me.
>> Me too. It's hard for me. >> Press him. Yeah. Right. I'm not a great
>> Press him. Yeah. Right. I'm not a great person. Don't pretend to be. But I did
person. Don't pretend to be. But I did want to get to the root answers on a
want to get to the root answers on a couple of foundational questions like if
couple of foundational questions like if Israel has a right to exist uniquely in
Israel has a right to exist uniquely in the world, where does that right come
the world, where does that right come from and to whom does it apply and what
from and to whom does it apply and what are the boundaries of the state? Like
are the boundaries of the state? Like those are I think basic questions.
those are I think basic questions. He uh and why aren't you representing
He uh and why aren't you representing the US government as the US ambassador
the US government as the US ambassador after that interview? I mean, I think
after that interview? I mean, I think the guy something broke inside him. Have
the guy something broke inside him. Have you ever been attacked after an
you ever been attacked after an interview? I that's usually a sign that
interview? I that's usually a sign that that something snapped in the person.
that something snapped in the person. >> I mean, you got a tag, I think, after
>> I mean, you got a tag, I think, after your interview with Ted Cruz and then
your interview with Ted Cruz and then after your interview with Mike Huckabe.
after your interview with Mike Huckabe. So, that should tell you something
So, that should tell you something about,
about, >> you know, um, your incredible
>> you know, um, your incredible interviewing skills where you're just
interviewing skills where you're just ask basic question.
ask basic question. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Well, I mean, you can only ask the
>> Well, I mean, you can only ask the question 30 times and not get an answer
question 30 times and not get an answer at some point. like, you know, this
at some point. like, you know, this could be a five hour interview if we're
could be a five hour interview if we're just I'm going to ask the same question
just I'm going to ask the same question over and over and over again and you're
over and over and over again and you're going to you're not going to answer the
going to you're not going to answer the question like where does that right come
question like where does that right come from?
from? >> Um and then like under bewilderment
>> Um and then like under bewilderment finally like an admission of truth at
finally like an admission of truth at one point when he says yes they should
one point when he says yes they should just take it all Tucker and I just about
just take it all Tucker and I just about fell out of my chair. Natalie and I
fell out of my chair. Natalie and I watched it together. We both looked at
watched it together. We both looked at each other are I couldn't believe what I
each other are I couldn't believe what I was hearing. And of course, widely
was hearing. And of course, widely condemned in across all of the Middle
condemned in across all of the Middle East after that that comment that sure,
East after that that comment that sure, Israel has a right to all of this land.
Israel has a right to all of this land. They should just take up. But Israel
They should just take up. But Israel won't because they're good. They're
won't because they're good. They're good. So, they're not going to. So, we
good. So, they're not going to. So, we should just rest. We should all sit back
should just rest. We should all sit back because they have no history of doing
because they have no history of doing that at all and just allow them to take
that at all and just allow them to take the small sliver of land. So, but you
the small sliver of land. So, but you can only ask that question so many times
can only ask that question so many times before, you know, and you're not going
before, you know, and you're not going to get an answer and not going to get a
to get an answer and not going to get a straight answer about it. Um,
straight answer about it. Um, >> but I was partic
>> but I was partic >> this guy be I mean, I disagree with him
>> this guy be I mean, I disagree with him on the theology. It's it's not
on the theology. It's it's not Christianity from what I can tell at
Christianity from what I can tell at all.
all. >> He's a violence worshipper. That right
>> He's a violence worshipper. That right there is disqualifying as far as I'm
there is disqualifying as far as I'm concerned. Far be it for me to give
concerned. Far be it for me to give theology lessons, but that does not look
theology lessons, but that does not look like Christianity to me.
like Christianity to me. >> But leaving that aside, the guy is the
>> But leaving that aside, the guy is the US ambassador. He works with the State
US ambassador. He works with the State Department. He represents the president
Department. He represents the president in a foreign country. And he's not
in a foreign country. And he's not representing the US government. He's
representing the US government. He's representing the country. He's living in
representing the country. He's living in a foreign country. He He's not helping
a foreign country. He He's not helping to get sex criminals in Israel
to get sex criminals in Israel extradited to the United States. He's
extradited to the United States. He's meeting with a traitor, Jonathan Pard.
meeting with a traitor, Jonathan Pard. He's basically using his post to work
He's basically using his post to work out his weird cultish views. How is that
out his weird cultish views. How is that guy a US diplomat? I I just I've never
guy a US diplomat? I I just I've never seen anything like that.
seen anything like that. >> And I haven't either. I lived in
>> And I haven't either. I lived in Portugal for 5 years. And while I was
Portugal for 5 years. And while I was there, um, Trump's ambassador, his his
there, um, Trump's ambassador, his his his original ambassador, um, before, you
his original ambassador, um, before, you know, the Biden era ambassadors, I mean,
know, the Biden era ambassadors, I mean, got in a quite a bit of problems with
got in a quite a bit of problems with the Portuguese government for
the Portuguese government for basically
basically telling them to, you know, back off on
telling them to, you know, back off on China. There were a couple of other
China. There were a couple of other issues, but it was coming from a place
issues, but it was coming from a place of
of American interest.
American interest. >> Right. Exactly.
>> Right. Exactly. >> And
>> And it was quite a big deal like in the
it was quite a big deal like in the Portuguese press like how dare this
Portuguese press like how dare this ambassador, how dare he tell us like
ambassador, how dare he tell us like what the Americans want, you know, this
what the Americans want, you know, this is Portugal, right? So I' I I almost
is Portugal, right? So I' I I almost would like a little bit of that, right?
would like a little bit of that, right? like, "Hey, I'm going to hold a press
like, "Hey, I'm going to hold a press conference here in Tel Aviv." And while
conference here in Tel Aviv." And while we believe in our our partnership with
we believe in our our partnership with Israel, we also as Americans don't stand
Israel, we also as Americans don't stand for pedophiles, known pedophiles. Like,
for pedophiles, known pedophiles. Like, why is Israel a safe haven for
why is Israel a safe haven for pedophiles? And it is. I mean, could you
pedophiles? And it is. I mean, could you could call up Barry Weiss and have her
could call up Barry Weiss and have her pull up the CBS archives where CBS did a
pull up the CBS archives where CBS did a deep dive on Israel's deep uh uh
deep dive on Israel's deep uh uh pedophile connections and where American
pedophile connections and where American pedophiles can flee and find safe haven.
pedophiles can flee and find safe haven. What this right of return doesn't matter
What this right of return doesn't matter if you're pedophile, doesn't matter if
if you're pedophile, doesn't matter if you killed children or not, who cares?
you killed children or not, who cares? So, as an American ambassador to stand
So, as an American ambassador to stand up there and hold a press conference and
up there and hold a press conference and say as Americans, even though we've got
say as Americans, even though we've got a great relationship with Israel, we
a great relationship with Israel, we will not stand for this country
will not stand for this country harboring
harboring convicted pedophiles or pedophiles under
convicted pedophiles or pedophiles under indictment who are caught in a sting
indictment who are caught in a sting operation back in the United States.
operation back in the United States. Like, we want these people extradited
Like, we want these people extradited back to the United States to stand trial
back to the United States to stand trial and to face a jury of their peers. But
and to face a jury of their peers. But we don't hear any of that. We got
we don't hear any of that. We got hassled when we were there. My producers
hassled when we were there. My producers got really hassled. Our cameraman got
really hassled. um by thugs in the Israeli security
um by thugs in the Israeli security services.
services. I mean, it unequivocally hassled,
I mean, it unequivocally hassled, outrageous. And Huckabe didn't ask what
outrageous. And Huckabe didn't ask what happened? He just immediately took the
happened? He just immediately took the side of the foreign government against
side of the foreign government against my producers. So I don't we as American
my producers. So I don't we as American taxpayers and American citizens have an
taxpayers and American citizens have an expectation that there's someone in our
expectation that there's someone in our government who will take our side
government who will take our side against a foreign government or at least
against a foreign government or at least consider our position against their
consider our position against their position. I mean shouldn't we expect
position. I mean shouldn't we expect that?
that? >> You would think we would expect that.
>> You would think we would expect that. I'm just reminded it's like you see the
I'm just reminded it's like you see the movies Hollywood movies where you know
movies Hollywood movies where you know an American is in another country and he
an American is in another country and he finds safe haven by going to a US
finds safe haven by going to a US embassy, right?
embassy, right? Huckabe would turn you over immediately
Huckabe would turn you over immediately to Shinbet. I mean, you you would have
to Shinbet. I mean, you you would have no say David in the US embassy at all.
no say David in the US embassy at all. >> I mean, I would feel safe in a lot of
>> I mean, I would feel safe in a lot of other US embassies around the world.
other US embassies around the world. Like, ah, I'm kind of here. I'm here on
Like, ah, I'm kind of here. I'm here on territory. This is this is America. A
territory. This is this is America. A little slice of America. Like, up on the
little slice of America. Like, up on the wall is a picture of President Trump.
wall is a picture of President Trump. There's the Secretary of State's
There's the Secretary of State's picture. There's an American flag. I'm
picture. There's an American flag. I'm speaking English. Like, I've been to a
speaking English. Like, I've been to a bunch of embassies, you know, in other
bunch of embassies, you know, in other parts of the world. And I feel like,
parts of the world. And I feel like, well, this is, yeah, this is America a
well, this is, yeah, this is America a little bit. A little slice of it, you
little bit. A little slice of it, you know,
know, >> I wouldn't feel that way there.
>> I wouldn't feel that way there. >> No.
>> No. >> Given his loyalty. I mean, even just
>> Given his loyalty. I mean, even just back in the Fox days, you know, I mean,
back in the Fox days, you know, I mean, and you know, Huckabe's always been
and you know, Huckabe's always been gracious to me and I very nice. In fact,
gracious to me and I very nice. In fact, >> but there was many times where he was
>> but there was many times where he was like, I'm going to Israel again this
like, I'm going to Israel again this week. I'm going to Israel again this
week. I'm going to Israel again this week. And this was back when before he
week. And this was back when before he was he had a show, but before he was
was he had a show, but before he was running for president and complaining
running for president and complaining about Trump. Said, "God, why they Fox
about Trump. Said, "God, why they Fox puts Trump on all the air, you know, I
puts Trump on all the air, you know, I can't get I can't get a word in
can't get I can't get a word in edge-wise. They won't give me any air
edge-wise. They won't give me any air time." He sucks up his words. He's Trump
time." He sucks up his words. He's Trump sucks up all the air in the room. Um,
sucks up all the air in the room. Um, I can't get on the TV, you know, and all
I can't get on the TV, you know, and all this stuff. But so he was like, "I'm
this stuff. But so he was like, "I'm going to Israel again." and come back,
going to Israel again." and come back, Clayton, I brought you a gift, you know,
Clayton, I brought you a gift, you know, and here's another here's a yamaka.
and here's another here's a yamaka. Like, oh, thanks. And I'll add it to the
Like, oh, thanks. And I'll add it to the Yamaka collection you you know, you in
Yamaka collection you you know, you in my office now. And here's the here's the
my office now. And here's the here's the jar. This is right, you know, this is
jar. This is right, you know, this is right from Tel Aviv. Here's another. So,
right from Tel Aviv. Here's another. So, I mean, he was there was a a deep love
I mean, he was there was a a deep love deep love there for many, many years.
deep love there for many, many years. >> Yeah, I knew I mean, I knew him well and
>> Yeah, I knew I mean, I knew him well and I was aware of that and I I don't care.
I was aware of that and I I don't care. Go ahead and love Israel. It doesn't
Go ahead and love Israel. It doesn't bother me at all. I've never been mad at
bother me at all. I've never been mad at Israel and I don't care if you love
Israel and I don't care if you love Israel, but if you're the US ambassador,
Israel, but if you're the US ambassador, you're supposed to take your country's
you're supposed to take your country's side against all other countries. I
side against all other countries. I would think that'd be a prerequisite for
would think that'd be a prerequisite for citizenship, by the way. It doesn't seem
citizenship, by the way. It doesn't seem to be. Um, and it's the whole thing is
to be. Um, and it's the whole thing is so humiliating and shameful that it
so humiliating and shameful that it gives us some insight in what's
gives us some insight in what's happening with this Iran war. So, in a
happening with this Iran war. So, in a in a normal country, you would just say
in a normal country, you would just say to Israel, look, you don't exist except
to Israel, look, you don't exist except for us. We pay for everything. We make
for us. We pay for everything. We make everything possible for you. you'd be
everything possible for you. you'd be eliminated without us. So, we're not
eliminated without us. So, we're not going to war with Iran. We're going to
going to war with Iran. We're going to negotiate a settlement where they're not
negotiate a settlement where they're not going to build nuclear weapons. That's
going to build nuclear weapons. That's that's fine. They've already said they
that's fine. They've already said they won't. They have a fatwa against it.
won't. They have a fatwa against it. Maybe you don't believe that. That's
Maybe you don't believe that. That's okay, too. We can discuss this. But what
okay, too. We can discuss this. But what we're not going to do is allow you to
we're not going to do is allow you to start the war unilaterally
start the war unilaterally and then suck us into it. That's
and then suck us into it. That's actually what's going on. We're afraid
actually what's going on. We're afraid that Israel will start a war
that Israel will start a war unilaterally against our interests and
unilaterally against our interests and no one can tell them no. Like what the
no one can tell them no. Like what the hell is going on?
hell is going on? >> Is there any other country that has this
>> Is there any other country that has this kind of control
kind of control over the United States Congress and
over the United States Congress and administrations because I can't think of
administrations because I can't think of any.
any. >> No,
>> No, >> I can't think of any. And you know, he
>> I can't think of any. And you know, he wouldn't get this position if he was
wouldn't get this position if he was tough on Israel. He wouldn't be in a
tough on Israel. He wouldn't be in a position of flying in and and being the
position of flying in and and being the US ambassador if he was tough on Israel
US ambassador if he was tough on Israel or he was going to put them in their
or he was going to put them in their place. And we're not going to we're not
place. And we're not going to we're not going to carry out another regime change
going to carry out another regime change war on your behalf. Like look, we tried
war on your behalf. Like look, we tried it in Libya. Didn't work out so well.
it in Libya. Didn't work out so well. Destabilize the Middle East. We tried it
Destabilize the Middle East. We tried it in Iraq. Didn't work out so well.
in Iraq. Didn't work out so well. Destabilize the Middle East. Um and I
Destabilize the Middle East. Um and I know you've been calling for this for
know you've been calling for this for decades for us to help you and to carry
decades for us to help you and to carry this out in Iran. We're not going to do
this out in Iran. We're not going to do it. he'd be out of a job. I just don't
it. he'd be out of a job. I just don't see how when you have literally a White
see how when you have literally a White House chief of staff who is formerly
House chief of staff who is formerly worked for Netanyahu inside the White
worked for Netanyahu inside the White House, you don't choose an ambassador
House, you don't choose an ambassador that the gatekeeping does not allow for
that the gatekeeping does not allow for somebody who's critical of Israel to be
somebody who's critical of Israel to be the US ambassador to Israel. It's just
the US ambassador to Israel. It's just not going to happen. I mean, I I think
not going to happen. I mean, I I think this is we've gotten to this place
this is we've gotten to this place because nobody wants to hurt anybody's
because nobody wants to hurt anybody's feelings and the BB people have
feelings and the BB people have conflated skepticism of of Israel's
conflated skepticism of of Israel's goals with anti-semitism, which is
goals with anti-semitism, which is insane. I mean, there are a lot of Jews
insane. I mean, there are a lot of Jews who don't like BB and they have every
who don't like BB and they have every good reason to. They're not
good reason to. They're not anti-semites. No person is an
anti-semites. No person is an anti-semite for disliking the actions of
anti-semite for disliking the actions of the Israeli government or not buying
the Israeli government or not buying Zionism, whatever that is.
Zionism, whatever that is. So people have been kind of like they
So people have been kind of like they don't want to have that fight. So
don't want to have that fight. So they've just sort of let this fester and
they've just sort of let this fester and then there's the other factor which is
then there's the other factor which is physical fear because Israel is so
physical fear because Israel is so violent and it's constantly bragging
violent and it's constantly bragging about murdering people and blowing up
about murdering people and blowing up kids with pagers or leveling Gaza. I
kids with pagers or leveling Gaza. I mean this is the most violent country in
mean this is the most violent country in the world by far per capita. So there is
the world by far per capita. So there is a feeling that like if you criticize
a feeling that like if you criticize them too much they could hurt you. And I
them too much they could hurt you. And I get that. I'm not criticizing anyone
get that. I'm not criticizing anyone who's afraid because there there's a
who's afraid because there there's a reason to be afraid. However, we've
reason to be afraid. However, we've gotten to a place where
gotten to a place where we're potentially going to like wreck
we're potentially going to like wreck our economy and Americans will die
our economy and Americans will die because one guy, Benjamin Netanyahu,
because one guy, Benjamin Netanyahu, thinks it's a good idea or good for his
thinks it's a good idea or good for his political career or whatever. Like, that
political career or whatever. Like, that is truly bonkers. Like, why are we
is truly bonkers. Like, why are we allowing this?
allowing this? >> It's going to be devastating. Um,
>> It's going to be devastating. Um, speaking of Vox Media, six years ago,
speaking of Vox Media, six years ago, they wrote a piece after K um after
they wrote a piece after K um after Sulammani was was killed. Yeah.
Sulammani was was killed. Yeah. >> That if we go to war with
>> That if we go to war with >> Iran, it will not be a walk in the park.
>> Iran, it will not be a walk in the park. It will be a brutal bloody war
It will be a brutal bloody war >> and it would it will be their quote hell
>> and it would it will be their quote hell on earth. Hell on earth. And that's just
on earth. Hell on earth. And that's just there. Every military expert I've talked
there. Every military expert I've talked to says what? We have no strategy
to says what? We have no strategy whatsoever. And we have, as you pointed
whatsoever. And we have, as you pointed out in your monologue earlier, what
out in your monologue earlier, what endgame? Like what is the end of this
endgame? Like what is the end of this sort of a permanent boots without like
sort of a permanent boots without like permanent or some sort of large
permanent or some sort of large contingent of boots on the ground?
contingent of boots on the ground? Hundreds of thousands of American
Hundreds of thousands of American forces. Boots on the ground in that
forces. Boots on the ground in that country.
country. What are we looking at here? Targeted
What are we looking at here? Targeted strikes. And that's we're just going to
strikes. And that's we're just going to wash our hands of it and hope that
wash our hands of it and hope that that's the end of it and we walk away.
that's the end of it and we walk away. It makes zero sense. So, this is going
It makes zero sense. So, this is going to be an absolutely debilitating war. It
to be an absolutely debilitating war. It would be devastating to the American
would be devastating to the American economy. The US dollar, of course, is
economy. The US dollar, of course, is already purposefully being devalued. Um,
already purposefully being devalued. Um, you know, we're talking about like $30
you know, we're talking about like $30 Big Macs in the coming years. I mean,
Big Macs in the coming years. I mean, that's what we're heading towards. We
that's what we're heading towards. We want to further oil prices in the
want to further oil prices in the streets of Hormus. Like, what will this
streets of Hormus. Like, what will this do to the United States economy? But you
do to the United States economy? But you hear from
hear from the MAGA crowd who we we're now energy
the MAGA crowd who we we're now energy independent. So we we don't care about
independent. So we we don't care about the streets of Hormuse anymore. That
the streets of Hormuse anymore. That that's inconsequential because now the
that's inconsequential because now the United States is fully energy
United States is fully energy independent. And we've done we've done
independent. And we've done we've done so brilliant brilliantly according to
so brilliant brilliantly according to Lindsey Graham thanks to the president
Lindsey Graham thanks to the president of the United States that it doesn't
of the United States that it doesn't matter if the Straits of Hormus are shut
matter if the Straits of Hormus are shut down because guess what? Like we're
down because guess what? Like we're we're all taken care of now. We're able
we're all taken care of now. We're able to start drilling Trump's drilling
to start drilling Trump's drilling program. So don't worry about it. will
program. So don't worry about it. will be fine. Yeah. What's China's response
be fine. Yeah. What's China's response going to be? What's Russia's response
going to be? What's Russia's response going to be? What's the Middle East what
going to be? What's the Middle East what are all of those countries in the Middle
are all of those countries in the Middle East? What is their response going to
East? What is their response going to be? And by the way, what about all the
be? And by the way, what about all the cannon fodder of American soldiers
cannon fodder of American soldiers sitting right there right now, not in
sitting right there right now, not in fortresses?
fortresses? Many of these like places are like
Many of these like places are like little outposts with very little
little outposts with very little protection at all. So, what is going to
protection at all. So, what is going to happen to them? I guess we don't care
happen to them? I guess we don't care about them.
about them. >> Well, it's also B. I mean just to the
>> Well, it's also B. I mean just to the energy independence thing. I'm very
energy independence thing. I'm very strongly for energy for oil and gas for
strongly for energy for oil and gas for coal. I mean I I believe that
coal. I mean I I believe that completely. However, energy prices oil
completely. However, energy prices oil and gas prices are set in the
and gas prices are set in the international market. So what does that
international market. So what does that mean? Would you nationalize the energy
mean? Would you nationalize the energy producers and force them just to sell
producers and force them just to sell domestically? Every refinery has to sell
domestically? Every refinery has to sell its products in the US. Like what does
its products in the US. Like what does that mean? If the straits of Hormuz are
that mean? If the straits of Hormuz are closed, if there's disruption to energy
closed, if there's disruption to energy facilities in the Gulf, the price of oil
facilities in the Gulf, the price of oil as set on the international market where
as set on the international market where everybody in the world bids on it every
everybody in the world bids on it every day, all the time will spike. I mean,
day, all the time will spike. I mean, that's just a fact. It's supply and
that's just a fact. It's supply and demand. So, we're going to exempt
demand. So, we're going to exempt ourselves from this. How? You would have
ourselves from this. How? You would have to say again to American refineries, you
to say again to American refineries, you can't sell on the international market.
can't sell on the international market. American energy producers cannot sell on
American energy producers cannot sell on the international market. Like, are we
the international market. Like, are we going to say that? Like what are you
going to say that? Like what are you even talking about? Who are these
even talking about? Who are these people? Like what are they talking
people? Like what are they talking about?
about? >> Well, they believe that the petro dollar
>> Well, they believe that the petro dollar is a thing of the past or you know the
is a thing of the past or you know the the the sort of Saudi the Saudi petro
the the sort of Saudi the Saudi petro dollar is a thing of the past and that
dollar is a thing of the past and that will
will >> now in the United States it will it will
>> now in the United States it will it will be the it'll be backed by our own oil in
be the it'll be backed by our own oil in the United States. So the US dollar as a
the United States. So the US dollar as a petro dollar will now be backed the full
petro dollar will now be backed the full faith and credit of the United States
faith and credit of the United States government which is also $39 trillion in
government which is also $39 trillion in debt. Right. So, how is that going to
debt. Right. So, how is that going to play out on the international stage? And
play out on the international stage? And will these oil producers which make bank
will these oil producers which make bank selling I mean just look at we blow up
selling I mean just look at we blow up the Nordstream pipeline. So, what did we
the Nordstream pipeline. So, what did we do? We sell natural gas to Germany at
do? We sell natural gas to Germany at what three times the price that they
what three times the price that they were able to get it from Russia. And now
were able to get it from Russia. And now you're going to tell the oil and natural
you're going to tell the oil and natural gas producers that they can't sell it to
gas producers that they can't sell it to Germany. They can't sell it to these
Germany. They can't sell it to these other places because now there's no
other places because now there's no shipping lane. There's no way to get
shipping lane. There's no way to get this oil and natural gas to those
this oil and natural gas to those regions of the world. and you're only
regions of the world. and you're only going to sell it to American consumers.
going to sell it to American consumers. So, we're going to nationalize it and
So, we're going to nationalize it and sort of we'll subsidize it like the
sort of we'll subsidize it like the ethanol market, you know, like uh and
ethanol market, you know, like uh and that's how we'll do it. So, it'll be a a
that's how we'll do it. So, it'll be a a snake eating its own tail and that's
snake eating its own tail and that's that's a recipe for success.
that's a recipe for success. >> Let me ask you one last question. Um, it
>> Let me ask you one last question. Um, it feels like the rhetoric I feel like such
feels like the rhetoric I feel like such a liberal saying this because I hate
a liberal saying this because I hate when people go the rhetoric is
when people go the rhetoric is overheated on all sides. But I mean, as
overheated on all sides. But I mean, as someone who's been in the rhetoric
someone who's been in the rhetoric business his whole life, and I've added
business his whole life, and I've added to ugly rhetoric and said intempered
to ugly rhetoric and said intempered things. I've said incorrect things. I'm
things. I've said incorrect things. I'm I have been part of the problem for sure
I have been part of the problem for sure at various points, but I've never seen
at various points, but I've never seen people talk like they're talking right
people talk like they're talking right now, particularly on the neocon side.
now, particularly on the neocon side. Anyone who disagrees is a Nazi. Anyone
Anyone who disagrees is a Nazi. Anyone who's not eager to regime change Iran
who's not eager to regime change Iran wants a second holocaust. I mean, it's
wants a second holocaust. I mean, it's it's tr it's it's the kind of language
it's tr it's it's the kind of language where if not slowed like soon, someone's
where if not slowed like soon, someone's going to get hurt for real. Do you feel
going to get hurt for real. Do you feel this?
this? >> For sure. Sure. I mean, just look at it
>> For sure. Sure. I mean, just look at it on the,
on the, you know, whatever you want to call it,
you know, whatever you want to call it, MAGA Twitter, MAGA X, that if you
MAGA Twitter, MAGA X, that if you disagree or you, you know, call for the
disagree or you, you know, call for the release of the Epstein files, that
release of the Epstein files, that you're somehow you're somehow a liberal,
you're somehow you're somehow a liberal, you're, you know what, you want to hurt
you're, you know what, you want to hurt the Trump administration, you don't want
the Trump administration, you don't want us to go to war with Iran, then you're,
us to go to war with Iran, then you're, you know, shut up, then you must be an
you know, shut up, then you must be an anti-semite, so you're probably
anti-semite, so you're probably pro-Islam. It's I've never seen it like
pro-Islam. It's I've never seen it like this. I mean I mean I'm you know even
this. I mean I mean I'm you know even going back to I mean even like even
going back to I mean even like even going back to days early social media
going back to days early social media like it was far it's far more congenial
like it was far it's far more congenial I think than it has than it is today.
I think than it has than it is today. Um, and um, I think that's why, well, I
Um, and um, I think that's why, well, I think that's why you're going to see
think that's why you're going to see more censorship because,
more censorship because, you know, I I I as much as I love the
you know, I I I as much as I love the dialogue, I love the back and forth on
dialogue, I love the back and forth on real issues, but I think you're going to
real issues, but I think you're going to see massive censorship because they
see massive censorship because they don't want us they don't want us
don't want us they don't want us fighting over the things that they want
fighting over the things that they want to carry out, like war with Iran or
to carry out, like war with Iran or covering up the Epstein files or when
covering up the Epstein files or when you start to prick too closely, you get
you start to prick too closely, you get followed and people tap your phones when
followed and people tap your phones when you're digging into pedophile networks
you're digging into pedophile networks and these other things. So, I think
and these other things. So, I think we're going to see more censorship,
we're going to see more censorship, unfortunately. And and I think and I
unfortunately. And and I think and I think that's the intent. I think at the
think that's the intent. I think at the end of the day, they want us fighting
end of the day, they want us fighting like this to be as loud as possible so
like this to be as loud as possible so that they can censor us and that they
that they can censor us and that they can have total control of it. See,
can have total control of it. See, that's out of too out of control. Too
that's out of too out of control. Too many people calling people Nazis. We've
many people calling people Nazis. We've got to control it. You know, YouTube
got to control it. You know, YouTube changes its terms of service all the
changes its terms of service all the time. adds all sorts of new things you
time. adds all sorts of new things you can't talk about on a regular basis. So,
can't talk about on a regular basis. So, I think that's where we're heading.
I think that's where we're heading. >> And and toward violence, I mean, first
>> And and toward violence, I mean, first of all, there's there is some kind of
of all, there's there is some kind of nexus between violence outside our
nexus between violence outside our borders and violence inside our borders.
borders and violence inside our borders. I believe that. And in times of war, you
I believe that. And in times of war, you know, and around wars, chaos and
know, and around wars, chaos and violence increase here. You saw this
violence increase here. You saw this during Vietnam. Charlie Kirk was
during Vietnam. Charlie Kirk was murdered a day after the Israelis bombed
murdered a day after the Israelis bombed Doha. and one of the craziest things
Doha. and one of the craziest things that's happened in the last 20 years,
that's happened in the last 20 years, etc. I'm not saying there's a direct
etc. I'm not saying there's a direct connection, but these things tend to
connection, but these things tend to flower simultaneously. I just have not
flower simultaneously. I just have not always noticed that it's a spirit of
always noticed that it's a spirit of violence that descends for real. And for
violence that descends for real. And for another, violent acts, you saw just saw
another, violent acts, you saw just saw this in Australia, real or not,
this in Australia, real or not, are used as a pretext to strip people of
are used as a pretext to strip people of their civil liberties, of their human
their civil liberties, of their human rights, their god-given human rights.
rights, their god-given human rights. And so I just fear that there will be
And so I just fear that there will be some sort of domestic terror incident in
some sort of domestic terror incident in which actual Americans will actually
which actual Americans will actually die, which is a true tragedy no matter
die, which is a true tragedy no matter who they are. But that that tragedy will
who they are. But that that tragedy will be used to strip the rest of us of our
be used to strip the rest of us of our God-given human rights. And I don't
God-given human rights. And I don't think I'm being paranoid. I'm very
think I'm being paranoid. I'm very concerned about that.
concerned about that. Well, you're speaking from historical
Well, you're speaking from historical precedents. I mean, we have a long
precedents. I mean, we have a long history of false flags being used to
history of false flags being used to strip us of our civil liberties and to
strip us of our civil liberties and to carry out these horribly nefarious
carry out these horribly nefarious things. Um, we just had, I think this
things. Um, we just had, I think this afternoon, uh, what's his name from the
afternoon, uh, what's his name from the National Endowment for Democracy
National Endowment for Democracy admitted in front of Congress that they
admitted in front of Congress that they were there inside of Iran
were there inside of Iran helping to basically, you know, with
helping to basically, you know, with their Starlink materials, uh, helping to
their Starlink materials, uh, helping to basically work on this agitation of
basically work on this agitation of protesters and Luis Stefan, I think,
protesters and Luis Stefan, I think, like shut him shut him down, told him
like shut him shut him down, told him shut up and like I don't think we should
shut up and like I don't think we should talk about this here. So you literally
talk about this here. So you literally have an admission that we are involved
have an admission that we are involved and actively in these types of stoking
and actively in these types of stoking of chaos
of chaos around the world. Whether it's people
around the world. Whether it's people wearing plain closed things showing up
wearing plain closed things showing up on January 6th, whether it's 9/11
on January 6th, whether it's 9/11 attacks
attacks on purpose to strip us of our civil
on purpose to strip us of our civil liberties and get us into perpetual wars
liberties and get us into perpetual wars in the Middle East, whether it's,
in the Middle East, whether it's, you know, William Randph Hurst and
you know, William Randph Hurst and remember the Maine and pushing us into
remember the Maine and pushing us into war against Spain um and rallying uh you
war against Spain um and rallying uh you know, certain purposes there or whether
know, certain purposes there or whether it's FDR, you know, basically allowing
it's FDR, you know, basically allowing uh Pearl Harbor to happen.
uh Pearl Harbor to happen. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Which he did,
>> Which he did, >> which he did.
>> which he did. >> Um, so there's you're speaking from
>> Um, so there's you're speaking from historical precedents and
historical precedents and >> you know, I I just I get so frustrated
>> you know, I I just I get so frustrated when people think that these things
when people think that these things don't happen or that false flag attacks
don't happen or that false flag attacks be used as a as a pretext for stripping
be used as a as a pretext for stripping us of our civil liberties won't happen
us of our civil liberties won't happen or the massive
or the massive digital ID bio in you know,
digital ID bio in you know, infrastructure that is coming through
infrastructure that is coming through through the likes of these tech
through the likes of these tech oligarchs. Um, it's coming. It's all
oligarchs. Um, it's coming. It's all coming and and they've been rolling it
coming and and they've been rolling it out and testing it in places like
out and testing it in places like Ukraine with the DIA app and making sure
Ukraine with the DIA app and making sure that everything is targeted and tracked
that everything is targeted and tracked and people can snitch on their neighbors
and people can snitch on their neighbors in Ukraine. You know, you can like
in Ukraine. You know, you can like literally press a button on an app and
literally press a button on an app and basically have the SBU show up at your
basically have the SBU show up at your neighbor's house to investigate them.
neighbor's house to investigate them. Like that's what they want and they test
Like that's what they want and they test it out in these places like Ukraine and
it out in these places like Ukraine and they want to roll it out here because as
they want to roll it out here because as I said earlier, like what Kevin Ship
I said earlier, like what Kevin Ship told me, they want control.
told me, they want control. And that's the most frightening part of
And that's the most frightening part of all. We're just giving up control every
all. We're just giving up control every time. You did a great piece a few weeks
time. You did a great piece a few weeks ago on the phones and and spying on your
ago on the phones and and spying on your phones. It's like every time we take in
phones. It's like every time we take in these little pieces of advanced
these little pieces of advanced technology, it's making our lives
technology, it's making our lives easier.
easier. >> It's actually sapping of us. It's
>> It's actually sapping of us. It's sapping us and it's taking away our
sapping us and it's taking away our liberties. And it's true. Part of me
liberties. And it's true. Part of me just wants to move out in the, you know,
just wants to move out in the, you know, mountains of Wyoming and, you know,
mountains of Wyoming and, you know, knock down any 6G, 5G towers I see
knock down any 6G, 5G towers I see anywhere around me and, you know, just
anywhere around me and, you know, just live off the land and churn butter.
live off the land and churn butter. >> Yeah. Use them for target practice with
>> Yeah. Use them for target practice with your 308. Yeah. No, I I have that
your 308. Yeah. No, I I have that fantasy. Can I say one last thing? I I
fantasy. Can I say one last thing? I I think this is all a fantasy on the part
think this is all a fantasy on the part of the people putting together the
of the people putting together the control grid. I don't I think that
control grid. I don't I think that control over other people, over the
control over other people, over the physical landscape, over the universe,
physical landscape, over the universe, assuming god-like powers is like the
assuming god-like powers is like the desire of every evil person. And I think
desire of every evil person. And I think history is filled with attempts at this
history is filled with attempts at this from the Tower of Babel till present.
from the Tower of Babel till present. And I don't think it's possible. And I
And I don't think it's possible. And I think that people routinely overstate
think that people routinely overstate their own power. And they think they can
their own power. And they think they can do it, but they can't. And I think we
do it, but they can't. And I think we laugh at them in retrospect. It's like
laugh at them in retrospect. It's like you're going to build a tower to the sky
you're going to build a tower to the sky and eliminate all different languages
and eliminate all different languages and we like laugh at the Tower of Babel,
and we like laugh at the Tower of Babel, but we we laugh at Mussolini or
but we we laugh at Mussolini or whatever. We laugh at the Bolsheviks,
whatever. We laugh at the Bolsheviks, but and we will laugh at these people,
but and we will laugh at these people, too. That's my guess. Hope I'm right.
too. That's my guess. Hope I'm right. >> I hope so. I hope you're right, too. I
>> I hope so. I hope you're right, too. I really do. Then I see these nefarious
really do. Then I see these nefarious things and I see all these people
things and I see all these people drugged out on mariju, you know, on pot
drugged out on mariju, you know, on pot marijuana and they're just like drones,
marijuana and they're just like drones, you know, and then once you roll in some
you know, and then once you roll in some sort of like universal basic income.
sort of like universal basic income. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> You get to be a drone as part of the
>> You get to be a drone as part of the system. And um I don't know.
system. And um I don't know. I I'm I'm usually a glass half full kind
I I'm I'm usually a glass half full kind of person and I I'm trying to be, but I
of person and I I'm trying to be, but I think the moves in this this AI
think the moves in this this AI direction um is so nefarious and so so
direction um is so nefarious and so so terrifying that I I I don't know if we
terrifying that I I I don't know if we can put this genie back in the bottle. I
can put this genie back in the bottle. I sure hope so. But pretty soon in the
sure hope so. But pretty soon in the next like 5 years, people are going to
next like 5 years, people are going to have robots in their houses like folding
have robots in their houses like folding their laundry. Like that is coming. Um I
their laundry. Like that is coming. Um I mean anyway Tesla just converted one of
mean anyway Tesla just converted one of their factories in Fremont to be the new
their factories in Fremont to be the new you know Optimus robot plant. So robots
you know Optimus robot plant. So robots are coming. AI and a much larger
are coming. AI and a much larger capacity is coming. And and by the way
capacity is coming. And and by the way the United States is losing desperately
the United States is losing desperately to China in that race. And so you can
to China in that race. And so you can only imagine these neocons and
only imagine these neocons and technocrats that really want to run
technocrats that really want to run things are going to be pushing for
things are going to be pushing for trillions of dollars in the United
trillions of dollars in the United States,
States, you know, budget to be able to try to
you know, budget to be able to try to compete with China. And it's I don't
compete with China. And it's I don't know. I I hope you're right. I hope
know. I I hope you're right. I hope you're right.
you're right. >> I'm not letting a robot in my house.
>> I'm not letting a robot in my house. Clayton Morris, it is so great to see
Clayton Morris, it is so great to see you as always and thank you for your
you as always and thank you for your relentless search for the truth. Um your
relentless search for the truth. Um your fearlessness and your decency. Great to
fearlessness and your decency. Great to see you.
see you. >> Well, great to see you. Thank you so
>> Well, great to see you. Thank you so much, Tucker. And uh incredible,
much, Tucker. And uh incredible, incredible work as always, my friend.
incredible work as always, my friend. >> Not everyone agrees, but I appreciate
>> Not everyone agrees, but I appreciate it. Thank you. And thank you. Thank you
it. Thank you. And thank you. Thank you for watching. We'll see you next
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