Jeffrey Epstein was a product of at
least one element of the intelligence
community. I would bet money on it.
>> The CIA, FBI.
>> I don't know who ran him, but he knew a
tremendous amount about my scientific
work in ways that he wasn't supposed to.
Very powerful people told me I needed to
meet him. He certainly was not a
financeier in any standard sense. That
was a cover story. I need to know what
this thing was. And I want to know why
people don't investigate it. I want to
know why nobody asks for the filings.
But I think more than anything, we don't
trust our scientists because our
scientists are the most powerful people
in our society.
>> So, do you think science is being
controlled so that it can be used in a
way that's beneficial?
>> Let's put it this way. Eric Weinstein is
a renowned mathematician
>> and one of the most fearless and
provocative thinkers of our time.
>> He dissects the failures of science,
exposes elite networks, and proposes
bold new theories that could save humanity.
humanity.
>> So, top of mind for me at the moment is
the apocalypse and tropical fruit. I'm
not kidding. You're looking at the end, man.
man.
>> Do you really think this is the start of
the end?
>> Of course it is. Look at how much has
happened in the last month. And the big
problem is that we share one atmosphere.
All of humanity's eggs are in one basket.
basket.
>> So, what needs to happen to get me a future?
future?
>> So, I think Elon is 100% right. Got to
get to another sphere. But he's being a
complete when it comes to science and
he's being a total hero when it comes to
engineering. But you can't engineer your
way to the stars with the science we
have. The physics opens the universe to
you. But we have a real problem. A new
idea in physics changes the balance of
power in the world. The desire of our
government is to get the science to give
us as much power as possible. But then
they castrate the scientists, belittle
them, destroy their families, their
lives, their ability to earn because our
government isn't good enough to keep its
own secrets.
>> Do you think
>> my employer was a special informant to
the FBI? There's a doctrine that says
physicists don't have free speech.
They're stopping the world's most
important group from making progress.
Physics is the only thing that's going
to get your future. So, let's talk about this.
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>> Eric, you are a particularly captivating
individual for the very fact that you
grace so many different intellectual
subjects. As we sit here now having this
conversation, I want to know what
subjects at this moment in in time are
occupying most of your thoughts and most
of your thinking. We have uh a strong
listenership here and I think the
responsibility that I have meeting
someone like you is to understand what
we should be talking about.
>> So top of mind for me at the moment is
tropical fruit and physics.
>> I'm not kidding.
>> Tropical fruit and physics.
>> Yeah. Yeah, but that's just because
you're catching me on a particular day. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> And uh my my local um 99 Ranch Market
ran out of Rambutan, which I'm addicted to.
to.
>> No, I have serious issues with tropical
fruit. I'm I'm completely obsessed by it.
it.
>> What about this week? What What's been
occupying most of your thoughts this week?
week?
>> Well, the apocalypse and physics.
>> Why' you say the apocalypse? >> Um
>> Um
>> and what do you mean by the apocalypse?
Well, we're we're becoming a nerd to to
the apocalypse. We just watched
hypersonic missiles flam into a modern
city on TV, and
we're watching one of the world's most
remarkable civilizations, the Persians,
take uh direct hits from both Israel and
the US. And I'm just beside myself. I
mean, this is incredibly dramatic
if if you think about, you know, just
the idea of the Jews and the Persians
are both still here. And, you know, one
of the things that I find really just
painful is that
I care about certain certain cultures
that I know well more than others. And
these are two of my absolute favorites.
>> What's what's going on at this moment in
time? because it feels like there's more
conflict than there's ever been. And I
don't know whether that's just a bias
that I have at this moment, but or
whether I'm looking at the wrong social
media algorithm, but it feels like the
world isn't is tense.
>> Well, you're too you're too young for
the Cold War.
>> So, I don't know how old you are. >> 32.
>> 32.
>> Yeah. So, you you you really missed I
grew up in a different world where
things were tense because there were two
players and you know, it was more or
less the US and the Soviets.
And then we decided it one of the
dumbest things we ever came up with. A
very smart man came up with the dumbest
one of the dumbest ideas which was the
end of history. And you know the the
postworld war I order
is here to stop us from using the
technologies that came out of this. And
I you know I talk about this a lot.
There was a six-month period between
November of 52 and April of 53 where we
unlocked first the power of the nucleus
because we could fuse hydrogen and the
other thing we were able to do was uh
figure out the threedimensional
structure of nucleic acid in the form of
the double helix. And suddenly in in no
time flat we had access to the two most
powerful levers uh humanity has ever
had. perhaps ever will. And so we're
just not in a position to deal with
this. And the remarkable thing,
>> what does that mean, sorry, in terms of
you said we had access to the two most
remarkable things?
>> Well, the hydrogen bomb is not something
that has ever been used by anyone against
against
an enemy.
>> This is the first full scale test of a
hydrogen device. If the reaction goes,
>> So we're we're awaiting its first use in
war. We we we did use fision devices,
but we didn't use fusion devices, and
they're completely different scales.
So the Hiroshima and Nagasaki are the
only two situations in which a nuke has
ever been used against a a population,
civilian or otherwise.
And we don't know for example whether or
not I don't know um at least co had its
origins in a bioweapons program.
So at some level we're playing with
levers and tools that are so powerful.
Do you realize that the the key
ingredient that made COVID so unique
was a four amino acid sequence inserted
into spike protein. So that's 12
nucleotides coding for four amino acids
shut down planet earth for a couple of
years. That's how powerful this is, you
know, and the very few things that have
this kind of leverage. In 2017, we had a
discovery, a white paper called
attention is all you need. And oddly,
many of us dealing with AI and LLMs and
talking that language don't even realize
there's a paper that you can read that
changed everything.
uh it's eight authors out of Google I
think um and that opened up AI uh
Satoshi in 2008 2009 with the the
solution to the double distributed
double spend problem where you could
effectively port um conservation laws
from the physical world into the digital
world giving us digital gold. Uh but
just as a as a beginning,
>> these ideas that have such high leverage are
are
making us powerful beyond
any previous world with no
attendant increase in our wisdom, in our
ability to use and wield these things.
And right now you're seeing the face
where we're unveiling what does drone
warfare look like in FPV? What is
>> FPV? first person
where you know where you're looking
through the lens of the drone as it
slams into a personnel carrier. You
know, maybe maybe you've seen this on
Telegram where you're just watching
individuals being menaced by mechanical
flying birds equipped to kill them. So,
we didn't know what drone warfare looked
like. This is the beginning of drone
warfare. We didn't know what hypersonic
missiles look like when they slam into a
population center. I was just in Tel Aviv.
Aviv. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Couple months ago. And I was in, you
know, shelters because the Houthis and
some of the Palestinian Arabs in Gaza
were letting off missiles, but not like this.
this.
Persians really, you know, and by the
way, they're choosing, I think, to not
inflict maximal damage. I don't I don't
think that they they could have gotten
the body count uh a lot higher if they'd
wanted to. They're trying to speak
the language of violence in a very
measured fashion.
>> So, is this a particularly
tense moment or is it just the bias that
I have because I've not been through
these things before? Is there something different?
different?
>> You're look I can't even believe the
question. You're looking at the end, man.
man.
This is the beginning. This is a slow
roll out of a completely different
world. You've been in We've all been in
a completely artificially stagnant
bubble for decades. My entire life up
until now has been in a bubble. The only
people who have seen real life are
extremely old.
>> Who are those people that have seen real
life? Well, I would say people who went
through the depression, World War II,
you know, in China, people who went
through Ma's great leap forward, but
most of us have no idea of what like a
real pandemic like a Spanish flu or
black plague is like. We don't know what
uh Poland went through where they lost,
you know, I don't know, 20 25% of their
population to war. Look at the stat
statistics on the battle of Stalenrad.
We don't really understand. We've we
we've just our whole life has been in a bubble.
bubble.
>> You said I'm looking at the end. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Remember all the talk about the
singularity? Like Ray Curtzswhil, we're
heading to the singularity. What is the
singularity going to be like?
You're in it.
you're looking at the disintegration of NATO.
NATO.
You're looking at people who don't know
how to maintain the systems that were
engineered by their great-grandparents
after World War II. That order
that, you know, you're from the UK.
If you think about how how the UK woke
up to the idea that they had built into
their heads that we are the masters of
the world. So you you saw the beginning
of the end of this concept of the
British Empire. That moment is coming
for the US and it may be that it's
coming for Israel or it may be that it's
coming for Iran. See, in 1967, the
Israelis felt invincible in the Six-Day
War. And then in 1973, they had the Yom
Kipper war, and all the people that they
were, you know, priding themselves as
having beaten, these ferocious enemies
that were arrayed against them woke up
on Yom Kapor in 1973 and bloodied the
Israelis and they surprised them. So,
the Israelis underestimated their enemy
and that changed the entire character of
the country. It went from being a
triumphal state that felt that David
could defeat Goliath to realizing that
Goliath was quite powerful. And you
know, the same thing is going to happen
here. You you saw the celebration that
Trump, you know, had dealt this blow to
the Iranian nuclear facilities. You you
watch the Persians come back. It's going
to we're starting to realize what the
boundaries are as people are more bold
in trying things. Maybe Xi's going to
try to cross the Taiwan Strait. I don't
know. But the era of stasis where very
little happened over very long periods
of time is over.
>> So you think this is the start of escalation?
escalation?
>> This is the start of the undoing of the
postworld war II order. The idea that
the postworld war II order is still in
place is astounding.
>> So what happens next?
>> We either scare the crap out of
ourselves and come to our senses or we don't.
don't.
>> We scare the crap out of ourselves and
come to our senses
>> or we don't. Hm. And what does that look
like? Scaring the crap out of ourselves.
>> Well, I don't know. How did you feel
about the hypersonic missiles? Like, and
we started this and I'm talking about
tropical fruit because I'm trying to
figure out whether I I should buy a
jackf fruit and stink up my wife's
kitchen, you know? And on the other
hand, I just saw hypersonic missiles
slam into the buildings I was just in
for meetings in Tel Aviv.
>> There's a a nuclear
threat that weirdly hangs over us. And I
almost feel at some deep level we all
understand and feel that threat that
there's these nine or 10 countries
around the world that have the ability
to basically wipe out all of us at any
moment. I feel like that's almost within
us all. That knowing is within us all.
>> I totally disagree. >> Really?
>> Really?
>> Yeah. I think about nothing else
sometimes and I still don't believe I
don't believe it.
>> There's a difference between knowing
something in your head and knowing
something embodied.
>> Yeah. I don't know if we're able to
distinguish whether we know it in our
head or whether it's embodied
unconsciously to the point that it's
changing how we act.
Do you know what I mean? Because I'm I'm
now aware that there's nine country and
I'm also aware of that really it's one individual's
individual's
decision as to whether those nuclear
bombs were to fly. So there's a part of
me that's I don't know maybe in
suspended disbelief or at a deeper level
feels an angst
>> but nobody knows what to do with it. And
this is part of what what Elon is all
about, which is that I am convinced that
everybody else needs to be talking about
this much more and I need to be talking
about this much less.
I talk about this all the time.
You know, people are always I want to
survive more than anything else. There's
so many things that I love about this
place and I don't like the idea that
we're all trapped here with one
atmosphere with nine individuals if you like
like
who could all wake up on the wrong side
of the bed and say, "Uh,
today's the day."
Part of what I'm so exercised about with
respect to the apocalypse is how many
things I want to save. I mean, this city
just went up in flames.
It's very, it focuses the mind. How many
things can I save in one car load if I
know that the police are not going to
let me come back to my home? Do you save
photos? Do you save musical instruments?
Do you save financial records? What what
is it that you save? You know, it was a
very focusing question. We're already
over it. We can't even remember the fires.
fires.
On that point of the things that give us
meaning, yeah, in our lives,
>> where do you think we're at as a society
in terms of our feelings of meaning and
purpose and connectedness to maybe
something transcendent or I was mulling
over this idea the other day. I actually
posted it on on my LinkedIn page of all
places. I said that um I think we need
to ladder up to things to feel like
anchored and content in life. like we
you know we lad we start with ourselves
and we ladder up to family then
community then maybe a mission or a
purpose and then maybe to something
transcendent and it feels like it
because of the design of our lives and
the optimization of it we we're
increasingly lading up to just ourselves.
ourselves. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I think even in my life I'm wondering
whether there's like a layer missing
like which is the religious layer or a
spiritual layer.
>> Do you pray?
>> It's a good question.
>> You come over Friday night and pray with
us. I'd say I do pray.
>> That's pretty weak.
>> But it's not a it's not the way that I
see prayer on in movies and stuff.
>> So that's the thing, right? We have this
idea that somebody puts their hands together
together
>> and they just believe. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But a lot of time when you're praying,
you don't really believe. You're not
sure that you're doing anything
sensible. You you feel ridiculous. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> And that's true. Even if you're a believer.
believer.
>> Do you think we need religion? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Said the atheist.
>> Are you an atheist? >> Yeah.
But I take religion super seriously.
I don't think we're meant to live
without it.
>> That's an interesting conundrum.
>> I don't think so. Everybody gets hung up
on it. I sort of wonder what their
problem is.
>> Please explain. So, you believe that we
aren't meant to live without religion.
We're meant to be orientated by
something transcendent, but you don't
you know, there's this great trick that
I learned when I was scuba diving, which
is that your your need to breathe is
triggered by the buildup of CO2 in your
lungs. And there are all sorts of things
you can do to decrease your need to
breathe. One is you can hyperventilate.
And you can get rid of all of the CO2
that's residual. You can also inerture
your lungs to CO2 by smoking. You can
also breathe out the precious air that
your instincts tell you to hold in. You
can do all these things and then you can
go super deep. You can equal learn how
to equalize the pressure in your ears by
holding your nose and and these
techniques. And suddenly you're far
deeper than you've ever been. And you're
exploring the rocks and the fishes and
there's a turtle and there's an eel
and you get a message. You're out of air.
air.
And you look up and you see, I am really
far from the surface. This is terrifying.
terrifying.
That's what happens when you unhook
the proximate which is air hunger
from the ultimate which is the need to breathe.
breathe.
So thirst is proximate to dehydration.
Hunger is proximate to the need for nourishment.
nourishment.
In part, religion and prayer is there to
keep us from unhooking
all of these protective things and just
turning life into a hoot. You can have a
hoot without religion, but if everybody
Some point I think a president of the
United States may have said that people
who defend this country were suckers.
Something like that.
And I thought, "God damn you." Maybe
it's true even,
but how many families have have received
a a flag draped coffin
and felt pride
like we lost something precious, but we
are part of the American tapestry in a
way that few families can be. And when
we outsmart ourselves, when we unhook
all of these things,
you know, every single young woman has
an idea about what the opportunity cost
before. We didn't know what the
opportunity cost. There was no
measurement of it.
We're becoming too sophisticated. We've
got too much information. We're
deranging ourselves. We're having a blast.
blast.
and we're completely undoing all of the
superructure of the world.
The number of people who don't have
my kids make fun of me. I just go around
and it's the most normal thing in the world.
world.
I meet parents who don't harass their
own children to get married and have
families. Like what are you doing?
the superructures of the world. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> One being family family.
>> Yeah. Traditions. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Things that ground that connect you to.
>> And what are the symptoms of that
unhooking from the superructures of the world?
world?
>> How much do you care about things? How
much do you care about people saying
your name four generations out? >> Me?
>> Me?
>> Yeah. You.
>> You're probably asking the wrong person
because I just don't think legacy
matters because I'm going to be dead.
>> That's right. But you're I'm asking all
of you who believe that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That is so sad.
It is so weird that no one cares about
their legacy because they don't see a
future. So what I'm trying to say is
I'm desperate to get you a future so
that you care.
>> What needs to happen to get me a future?
>> Something remarkable. Something utterly
remarkable because it's not it's not
going that way. And that's what that's
what the physics part is. Like I talk
about physics constantly. Physics is the
only thing that's going to get to your future.
future.
>> And how how
>> well right now the big problem is that
we share one atmosphere.
>> Yeah. So everything that can
all the really bad things whether it's
pathogens like imagine something
coidlike but far worse
or climate or uh radiation.
All of these things don't know anything
about borders. To an extent there's a
southern and a northern hemisphere that
are separate but even that's not a great
border. So, we can draw all the borders
on land that we want, but we still have
basically one or two atmospheres. And I
would really say one. And we've now
gotten powerful enough to really screw
it up,
right? And so,
>> through nukes or through carbon emissions,
emissions,
>> all three of those things. Okay? Right?
>> Everything that you care about is on one
sphere with one one atmosphere.
And I think Elon is 100% right. We got
to get to another sphere. I can't believe
believe
that he's focused on Mars. I mean, by by
sure, focus on the moon, focus on Mars,
focus on chemical rockets,
but throw a couple billion towards
physics for God's sakes. So, let us get
it. Let us get serious about exploring
the cosmos.
This is our womb. This is not our home.
We're You know, you know that song,
Closing Time?
>> No, I don't.
>> Closing time.
Uh, you don't have to go home, but you
can't stay here. I think it's about birth.
birth.
Yeah, it's time to be born.
You can't stay here.
This is completely obvious to me and I
am the only person who who talks this
way and so I sound like a lunatic and I
get tired of it. But the real reason it,
you know, it's about the mangoes, it's
about the rambutan, it's about the music,
music,
it's about all the things that I love.
So why would you want to leave?
>> I want to take it with us and I want to
see what else is out there and I want to
meet people.
>> Why don't you just stay here and fix
this planet?
>> Cuz you can't.
The odds of fixing one sphere for a
permanent future. You've already talked
about you don't care about the future.
>> I don't have children yet either. So I
don't Yeah, I don't have that.
>> But I My children don't have children
and their children don't have children
and I care about them and they're not
even here.
We've got some time left here though.
>> Well, we did.
If you looked what's happened in the
last month,
>> Do you really think this is the start of
the end?
>> I I have no idea where I am.
>> Of course it is.
The World War II order was keeping it.
It's like control rods keeping the world
from going super critical.
>> Can't we just put the rods back together?
together?
>> Have you looked at who we had an
election with Donald Trump versus Kla
Harris in the US?
Tell me what's going on in the UK. What
are we doing in the mayoral race for for
New York? I don't know if you're
watching what I'm watching. Look at the mess
mess
that's going on in Gaza.
Russia is nuclear. Israel is presumably
nuclear. Pakistan and India are nuclear.
The US is nuclear. Iran is almost
nuclear. China's pissed off about Iran
because it was trying to make a play
through the region. North Korea is watching.
watching.
UK is a very nuclear country. To say
nothing of France.
This is not going to go well. We just we
and by the way look at how much is
happening with AI, right?
right?
Everything was really stagnant. So I I
have this famous challenge that I give
people which is go into a room
and subtract the screens and forget
about style. How do you know you're not
Like drones are the beginning.
Imagine I needed a refill on my coffee
and you know you did something and a
drone brought me a coffee to not
interrupt the flow. That would we know
we weren't in 73 but in general drones
aren't a big part of our lives.
These robots I've never seen a human
robot actually doing anything other than
on YouTube where it's like doing the
mashed potato. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> So in general yeah things were just
really stagnant for a really long time.
And during that period of stagnation, we
we had this crazy narrative which is
like the dizzying pace of change is
making it almost impossible to keep up
while things were incredibly stagnant.
And so it just shows you sort of this
weird way in which our our minds can be
programmed to completely ignore what
we're experiencing.
Is there not a chance that we'll just
continue to
>> Okay, if you want to go with chance,
look, until until you're worried about
your great great grandchildren. I don't
want to have this conversation with you.
I want you to start caring about that. I
want you to go to church.
You you're heir to a great tradition.
One of the most important traditions in
the world has to be Christianity because
both Judaism and Islam are screwed up
over the law. We're legal traditions.
Christianity, not so much. And I think I
first time somebody crystallized that
for me was Sam Harris.
It's a really important point, but
you're heir to an incredibly powerful
and important tradition. And if we don't
have a Christian substrate, we're in
real trouble because all of our society
is based on on an assumption of a
Christian substrate.
You're advising me to be
Christian in tradition but not in
necessarily in belief.
>> Well, this is the thing. You're
alienated because you think that you
have to be a believer in order to go in.
Otherwise, you're faking it. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Get over yourself. That's not how it works.
works.
>> That's true. That's me just me being
honest. I do think that if I went to a
church and I I sung and I I prayed and
stuff and I didn't believe I would that
I'd be like it'd be it'd be fake. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
Do do you imagine that all those people
who go to church are just sitting there
100% sure that there's a there's a Jesus
to pray to?
>> Do you know any Christians? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They're not like that.
They sneak off and do bad things. If
they were confident that Jesus was
watching everything that they were doing
and they were constantly talking about
how they sin,
I'm a sinner. Right? It's a very
complicated, interesting
piece of kit. And my claim is that,
you know,
I said the Lord's Prayer as part of
>> I sat in a church, a chapel at a high
school in LA that had a stained glass
window with an American soldier
trampling a Nazi flag into the stained
glass window.
was amazing.
>> How does this link to me? I was about to
say, can't don't you have faith that
we'll just be able to kind of keep this?
It feels like a bit of a standoff.
>> So, you're the one with the faith. I'm
the one who's nervous. You look, you're
the believer.
I'm not going to trust that. No, no. I'm
going to get my hands dirty and try to
do something about it. Do
>> you know what? I think in part it's
because as you said I've been alive for
32 years and through that time has been
relative peace especially in the western
world. So it's all I've ever known. So I
I'm born with this assumption that this
is just kind of how it goes. That
there's always threat but we kind of
figure it out.
>> Come to the Pacific Palisades. It looks
like Gaza. >> Yeah.
Yeah. I've got some friends that lost
their houses there. You know
>> checked out Lahina in uh West Maui recently.
recently. >> No.
>> No.
It's an absolute disaster.
>> Is AI a protagonist in this story? Is it?
it? >> Sure.
>> Sure.
>> In what in what respect?
>> Well, what do you what do you think
about it? We're going through going
through a wild revolution at the moment
and I just hear people saying the
dumbest things about it.
What do I think about I'm scared I might
say something dumb now, but
>> Well, let's try because I'm going to say
something dumb. I think well I look at
both sides of the coin and I look at the
opportunity and the and the threat. My
concern when I hear about the CEOs of
the biggest aerial companies in the
world talking about this fast takeoff is
that the transition will be too quick
for us to adjust. And when they say fast
takeoff, they mean that AGI like arrives
and it the rate of its learning
accelerates so quickly that it really um
disrupts the need for human beings to do
a lot of the sort of jobs we're doing
today that are centered on intelligence.
>> Which jobs require intelligence?
>> Pretty much all of them these days
because we've had the industrial
revolution where we've outsourced a lot
of the labor to machines. But
>> I don't think so
>> really. Yeah, I think a large portion of
our conversation was actually an LLM.
We didn't actually get to the stuff
outside of the LLM. You and I are two
chat bots for the most part. You're a
good one.
>> Thank you.
>> I'm on a huge I'm on a huge platform
again, you know, but my claim is is that
that's the really disturbing part that
more or less we're LLMs. More or less we
don't do a single intelligent thing all
day long. And the reason that they're
able to mimic us is because we don't
realize that intelligence is a last
resort for us. We try to automate
like, you know, if you think about greetings,
your assistant was very kind. I got out
of a black car that you guys sent around
and I was greeted with the phrase,
"There he is, the man, the myth." And I
knew what was coming next, the legend.
Right? because that is a sort of
humorous way of giving an intimate
greeting, but it's still an LLM.
And I'm not saying that your assistant
is an LLM. I'm saying that more or less
what we do all day long is LLM interactions.
interactions.
Hey buddy, how are you? Good. Good.
Things have been really busy. How about
you? Well, I got some travel coming up.
Kind of excited about it, but I have to
get through some work first. I
understand. That's an entirely scripted conversation.
That's why I'm trying to say that I want
to do podcasting that is outside of the
LLM model. I don't want to do just
dangerous, stupid stuff, but I want to
talk about things that I've never
explored where I don't have something,
you know, ready.
>> Do you think AI will ever break out of the
the
the LLM or will it expand?
>> I think the LLMs will.
I don't see I think that waiting for AGI
as the problem is a is a bad idea. I
think the problems are going to get here
far before AGI. I think even that the
AGI expectation is something we're
trained to do. Do you think AGI is
coming? Do you think we'll survive AGI?
Will AGBI be good or bad? All of that's
pre-programmed into you. Why do you Why
are you waiting for AGI? Did you not
alpha fold three? Did you Did you track
that? Do you know about this?
>> Is that Was that the chess game? the
well it's the chess game that became the
protein folding game. All right.
>> You want to talk about great games?
Protein folding. Now that's a game.
>> I have no no knowledge of this at all.
>> Okay. What do you know about proteins?
>> Very little.
>> Okay. Think about proteins as tiny machines.
machines. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> That there's copying machine. There's a
a scissors and a shearing machine.
There's a a light making machine. All
sorts of things. And all of those
machines are weirdly coded.
Imagine that you had like a a children's
show and uh a bunch of girl superheroes.
They all had necklaces with uh 20
different kinds of beads around their
neck. And so when they needed a machine,
they'd take off the necklace, they'd
throw it into a thing called a ribosome,
the ribosome would take these 20 kinds
of pearls and suddenly it would build
you a car or a spaceship or a gun or who
knows what. Well, that's that's that's
the story of DNA, RNA, and uh and protein.
protein.
The only thing is, isn't it weird that a
linear sequence suddenly crumples up
into a three-dimensional object that
does something? So, for example, I don't
have you ever seen um these Turkish
rabbits that glow in the dark? >> No.
>> No.
>> Okay. So, they took green fluorescent
protein out of jellyfish.
>> Yeah. and they uh spliced them into the
nucleic acids of rabbits and the Turks
bred all of these glow-in-the-dark
bunnies. And what that is is a
structure. So there's there's something
called secondary structure and protein
where sometimes you get these spirals
called alpha helyses. And then sometimes
you get a two-dimensional sheet that's
made from taking uh a switchback in in
strings of amino acids. And then if you
wrap that around, you don't have a beta
sheet, you have a beta barrel. And these
beta barrels are the glow-in-the-dark
aspect of green fluorescent protein.
Okay? And
what we didn't know was how a series of
acts and G's could code for sequences of
amino acids could form three-dimensional
structures. So if you just read DNA, you
didn't know, well, that's going to be a
a sports car. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Alphold figured it out. For the most
part, like to a to an enormous extent,
humans were stuck there.
>> And what does that mean?
>> It means that you could uh I don't know,
you could target your enemies that have
particular regions uh on their cell
surfaces and you could come up with
proteins that only attach to them and
attack. It could mean anything. Could
mean nanoobots.
I don't know what it means, but my point
is is that that's already here and
you're not focused on it.
And you're thinking AGI. And the funny
part is is that's your LLM that got
programmed to wait for AGI.
>> Well, I heard, you know, people that I
think are very smart, much smarter than
me talk about the
>> Don't listen to them. >> Elon,
>> Elon, >> sure.
>> sure.
>> I mean, he he says that it's our biggest
existential threat is a AI. >> Elon
>> Elon
has become the outsourcing for much of
our intelligence. And if Elon means
anything to you,
he's really saying to you, "Don't listen
to me. Do something remarkable."
He's saying, "Where is everybody? Why is
there only one Elon?
There used to be lots of them?"
>> Why is there only one Elon?
>> Yeah, not the right question. Where
where did all the other Elons go?
>> Same question, is it not?
No, I think that the why is there only
one Elon makes Elon feel more singular.
You know, if you ever get a chance to go
to Capidokia or Bryce National Park in
Utah, you see what happens, which is
that you'll have a stone that was
resting on the soil and suddenly the
wind starts to erode everything except
the compactified soil right under that
stone and you get what's called a fairy
chimney or a hood. And so the claim is
is that sometimes you get these isolated structures
structures
And the key point is everything else
eroded away.
and everybody else got taken out.
What or who took them out?
Look at how much trouble Elon has being Elon.
Elon.
Look, we keep hearing about him. You know,
know,
he's on drugs. Great. take drugs. No,
I'm not kidding. Do you know how many
amazing people take drugs?
If you care about jazz, jazz is a whole,
you know, it's a history of drugs.
Whenever I'm listening to Ray Charles,
I'm hearing heroin.
Okay. What are they doing at Burning Man?
Man?
They're trying to live luxuriously under
oppression simultaneously luxuriously
and as dirty and disgusting as you'll
ever be. Hopefully, they're having tons
of eye-opening, mind-bending experiences
chasing some way of getting out of the LLM.
LLM.
And you know, my feeling about this is
it's not even honest. I I I believe that
Elon, for example, does understand that
population and growth is really
important, but I also think he just
enjoys making babies. And in in a weird
way, this idea of I'm going to have an
empire of my children is a forbidden concept.
concept.
Try explaining that to HR.
You know, it's like, what did you say at
work? So, the key point is Elon is
barely able to be Elon.
Do you think we're overestimating the
impact AI is going to have?
Because people, you know, a lot of
people see as this really fundamentally transformative.
transformative.
>> No. You don't think we're
underestimating it?
>> I think it's going to be
I I I think that what AI means to us is
is bizarre. We've we've come up with
this whole script about AGI and
it's going to take everything we do
that's repetitive is on the chopping
block. And since almost everything we do
is repetitive,
we don't need to get to AGI. We just
need to do things where lots of people
create lots of repetitive data and then
we tokenize it. We train the AI on the
tokens and then for the most part it
says, you know, it it doesn't matter. It
can be a photograph. It can be music.
Whatever it is, amino acids, just give
me a large enough data set and let me
add it and, you know, take a hike for
for a little while. I'll train on it and
then I'll know how to do that. You know
what? It's bad at things that where
there isn't much data.
So I I just I just found out about these
orphan proteins where like everybody's
got a different version of hemoglobin. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm.
>> But you know the the quadinary structure
of he hemoglobin is these four hem
groups you know four different proteins
around a central element. What happens
when you have a protein that has no
analog anywhere else? The the system
If if I train you on the blues and you
find out what a 12 bar blues progression
is, then you find out that there's a
variation where this, you know, the
second bar goes to the fourth rather
than just staying on the one for four
bars. And then sometimes the fourth bar
has a seven in it to create tension.
Okay? So, it's going to learn every
single form of the blues like that.
And because there's a large corpus of
that stuff, it's going to get really
good at blues music,
you know, as a but if you take something
that basically
never happens, it's not going to have an
easy ability to train and give you more.
So I think that AI
is almost certainly going to transform
the economy because everything that we
we know how to do through education
creates repetitive behaviors.
We don't know how to educate for
creativity and genius. We know how to
educate for doing higher level things.
So radiology is a great example.
Radiologists are, you know, some of the
first uh in the crosshairs.
I'm going to stare at some imaging
and I'm going to say, I think that's a
tumor. I think that's benign. And it's
going to say, just give me give me give
me all of these tokens. Like, well,
they're x-rays. They're cats. No, no,
they're just tokens.
So, yeah.
It's going to start to automate away
every repetitive behavior and then
what's going to be left is the tiny
number of things that aren't really
highly repetitive or things where we
really care that a human does it. Very
interesting what's happened with chess.
I don't know if you've been following
chess. I loosely understand it mainly
because I've spoken to a lot of AI
experts and they often reference chess
as as an example where
>> it was one of the first things that
humans did that we really cared about
that fell.
So they've been longer
in the AI
tractor beam than any of the rest of us
in some sense.
>> How did it fall?
>> Through Deep Blue and IBM and Gary Kasparov.
Kasparov.
But does that mean that people people
aren't interested in chess anymore? What
are you saying?
>> No, no, no. That's the whole point.
So Magnus Carlson, the greatest chess
player of our time and perhaps of all
time, was on Joe Rogan and Joe asked him
the simple question, can your phone beat
you? He's like, yeah, easily. So the
point is, we can't compete
with, I don't know, Stockfish or what,
whatever the top chess programs of our
time. I don't know anymore. But nobody
cares about those programs except for AI experts.
experts.
We care about the drama of,
you know, Anan versus Carlson,
>> two humans,
>> two humans, because it's about us. We're
we're very narcissistic in this way. And
so there was a period, and you know,
this is something that my wife uh
tried to popularize. So she said this
thing about the golden age of AI complimentarity
complimentarity
where the AIs aren't good enough to take
over from us but they're amazing tools
and so there's a period where we're
teamed up you know the prompt
engineering revolution they're not good
enough to come up with their own prompts
and a great example of this that she and
I have been talking about is the cyborg
chess era which is a period where humans
and the AI I could form teams that would
do better, but at some point the AI just
looks at the human and says, "You're
just holding me back."
>> You've got two children. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> When they're thinking about their career
prospects with all that you think and
know and believe about the future that
we're heading towards, what what kind of
career advice would you be giving to them?
them?
>> Oh, I've given them terrible career
advice. I give I gave them somewhat
different career advice. So to my son,
my my advice was do the hardest most
technical thing you possibly can do and
be prepared to use that ability, that
facility in different ways than you're
you're honing it. But train yourself
with my daughter. Um I think she cares
deeply about people and you know there's
a typical male female divide. And I'm
not, by the way, I'm not going to talk
overly much about them because I try to
keep them out.
But she is uh you know somebody who is
taking the same level of analytic
ability but putting it in the service of
the law and trying to help people who
are you know really unfortunate. She's
very idealistic. And so at some level
the law is not going to allow us to have
AI lawyers for quite some time. It's not
going to trust anything. We we've got
jury uh trials and and judges and a
legal system that's written into our
founding documents.
To the average person, I would say get
your board in the water
and prepare to paddle like all get out.
The tsunami of a lifetime is coming and
nothing your elders have seen is going
There's no good advice to give that's
specific. Let's put it this way. But one
of the things when people tell me about
their moving from one city to another, I
have a phrase that nobody likes, which
is every place is over.
Oh, I'm moving to Austin. Yeah, it's
over. Miami, it's over. Nashville, over.
You know, all these places are over. And
every occupation that is named is over.
I'm going to be a dentist,
radiologist, accountant,
teacher. These are all over.
whatever is coming. Get flexible. Get
good. Get good on a bunch of different stuff.
stuff.
Learn how to think across disciplines. I
have no idea what what's going to be
But, you know, somebody's going to come
And I I hate to tell people that you
should try to come out on top.
I don't think it's healthy to have
everyone trying to be world class.
I think you should be able to just have
a life.
Now, I have a golden retriever. I don't
know that it's the greatest golden
retriever in the world. Sometimes I
think it is, but it does a lot of dumb
stuff. But he's my golden retriever. I
just don't think it I think that this
mania for optimization. Like if you look
at your own videos, you'll find some of
the best performing videos are this is
how to succeed. This is how to get
anyone you want. This is how to get out
of a bad situation. People just want capacity.
capacity.
But for what?
Okay, you've optimized your day. You've
optimized your health. Your social media
is optimized.
Now what?
>> Now what? I don't know
>> what should be then say you know is it
the is it time to just one would say
well now I one would incorrectly say
well now I can play with my golden
retriever and then one would say well
you should have been playing with your
golden retriever the whole time
through some bizarre accident
I've gotten a chance to meet incredible
people that I don't even talk about who
I've met you You know, I've got a chance
to see the world. I haven't seen South
America, but I've seen most the other
continents other than the Antarctic.
Take somebody who hasn't had those opportunities,
opportunities,
but they got a chance to have three kids.
I'm not sure I wouldn't trade places. I
It's such a strange thing that we're
talking about optimization, all this
stuff. I I get to think about the the
substrate of the universe, theoretical
physics. I dream about visiting the
stars. I dream about multiple dimensions
of time, meeting aliens, all sorts of things.
I still think having kids was like unbeatable.
unbeatable.
I'm so sad that it's over. I'm so sad
that they moved out. I cannot believe
that I was dumb enough to live in a
society that doesn't believe in having
your kids with you your whole life.
The idea that we look at places where
kids live at home as backwards is beyond me.
me.
And shout out to uh the entire Indian subcontinent,
subcontinent,
you know. It's just like family is
But it it's just meaning is available
for you.
And again,
you know, every time I get a chance to
eat a rambutan, it's one of my favorite
fruits. Mangoes, rambutans, jackf fruit,
sithafal if you can get custard apple.
The amount of pleasure I get. I've never
had a good custard apple in the entire
time I've lived in the US. Not one. I've
had a frozen one imported from Taiwan.
You get this cheramoya. Just get out of
Great custard apple. Great sith follow.
What a pleasure to be on this earth. and
it's available to almost anyone. I just
think that you can find meaning,
you know, for God's sakes, go to Spotify
if you have a a connection, if you can
afford a connection to Spotify and put
in Pablo Casal's version of the Boach
Cello Suites.
You're as rich as you need to be. I've
flown private. I'd much prefer to listen
to Pablo Casal playing the the jealous
suites in economy than to be to be to be
deprived of real luxury.
I don't know. I just to me meaning is everywhere.
everywhere.
I can't swing a cat without hitting meaning.
meaning.
Have you always been like that or is
that something that you've cultivated?
the point about being able to swing a
cat and find meaning. So many people
that would be listening now could swing
a a 100 mile stick and wouldn't hit
meaning in their lives. But you seem to
be able to find it in the the purer
things, the more simple things. And I'm
wondering if that's something that we
can all cultivate with a change of
perspective or if it's just the way that
you've always been.
Why is Joe Rogan such a big deal? You
ever listen to Joe Rogan talk about
pugilism? Two gentlemen beating the crap
out of each other as poetry,
I could listen to Joe talk about MMA for days.
days. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, the story of Mighty Mouse, the
guy trapped in some, I don't know,
flyweight division with unbelievable
skills who never gets to meet a
formidable enemy, you know?
Do you think that's a privilege? Do you
think that there's a privilege in being
able to craft a story? Because so much
of the meaning you're describing there
comes from these great stories. And not
everybody is able to craft the story
upon seeing something. You probably look
at this item in front of me, this glass,
and create a story about it that drives
meaning that makes you feel something.
>> I worry about its manufacturer. How is
it that we got a surface of revolution?
What is what is the industrial process?
How do I take a picture of this and get
a a photograph of the machine that made
it. You know that fly that has been
buzzing around us this entire interview? Yeah.
Yeah.
>> Do you remember when Obama had a fly?
>> Yeah. And he caught it in >> Wow.
>> Wow. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> The confidence of that man.
>> See, I'd try that and I'd miss and I'd
screw it up in front of millions of people,
people,
you know? It's like I I took so much
meaning away from that fly.
>> Were you trying to or is that just a
sort of pre
>> We all did.
>> Not everyone. Some people would have
gone. How was it that you knew exactly
what I was talking about? Because he
captured a moment.
He was the girl in the red dress. You
know, there's this thing that women say,
not every woman can wear red. Well, not
every man
can grab a fly with confidence.
I I think I think we all see this. I
think we all see beauty everywhere. You
remember that movie American Beauty with
the the plastic bag that gets in the air
funnel going up?
And the key point is the ability just to
see beauty wherever you find it.
You know, everything behind you means
something to me. The letter B uh is
strange to me that there's only one
phonetic alphabet and that every
phonetic alphabet is descended from it,
you know.
I I I
basically view everything as a
hyperlink. I just want to click on the
world and see what it goes to.
>> Not everybody does though.
>> But we do.
>> They don't make the step is what I'm
saying. Because people would see the bee
and nothing would cross their,
>> you know, it's funny.
>> There's an absolutely horrible account
that has been just dogging me for years
trying to make my life miserable. And
And
>> a social media account.
>> Yeah. Doesn't matter. Yeah.
>> And the person said, "You know, one
thing I just never understand is
he's not
he's not hawking a book.
He He's just talking. Why Why are his
numbers high?"
The answer is everybody cares about this
stuff. They want an invitation.
One of the funniest things that gets
said about me on social media is he goes
on forever and he never says anything
and then like I look at the word clouds
of things that I' I've talked about and
people are just googling everything incessantly.
incessantly.
You know, if you didn't know who Pablo
Cassals was, now you do. Now you know
what a real chis sounds like. Um
I can't believe that I'm so far through
I can't believe this doesn't go on forever.
you know you want to talk about the
that river is not the Jordan River and
that sea is not the Mediterranean.
The Arab world stretches from the
Atlantic with Morocco
right up to the what is it Shhat Alabia
waterway that divides Iraq from Iran.
And I don't think
this is stable.
There is no way in which
we should be fighting like this. This is ridiculous.
Trump Trump used the F-word. I mean,
he's getting taking a ton of crap. Why
would you use the F word? Well, isn't it
interesting that people view Trump as so tacky?
tacky?
You know, he's he's got this Queen's
sort of bluster. He doesn't doesn't of uh
uh
finalist clubs at Harvard or Skull and
Bones or whatever.
No, Trump doesn't use the F-word for a
reason. That he needs it once in a blue
moon and it better mean something.
And he said this to Iran and he said
this to Israel. These two two countries
have been fighting for so long. They
He didn't make a mistake. The rest of
the world has just forgotten how to calibrate.
calibrate.
What do you see Trump in? How is he clothed?
clothed?
He's almost always in a suit and tie and
he almost never says the f- word.
And it's carefully calibrated to get
everybody's attention. And we're so
asleep that we don't even hear it.
This is World War II and it's already started.
non-compassment meant and I was being
told don't worry there's a a committee
that has replaced him
because I was talking about the fact
that he can't be president.
I I just don't know what we're doing.
I'm so mystified by everybody else. You
I'm not Elon. I'm very different person,
but at least Elon makes sense to me.
Not 100% but 98% Elon makes sense to me.
It's everybody else that I'm completely
confused about.
>> What part of what Elon is saying makes
so much sense to you?
>> Oh jeez. Everything. One, we have to
have babies. We have to keep going. Two,
we it can't all be about problems.
You have to be excited to be alive every morning.
morning.
You have to work your ass off your whole
life. You want to know one of the most
beautiful things that ever happened?
Somebody telling Elon that he was the
world's richest human being. He said,
"Huh, it's interesting."
Amazing, right? There's no reward
that he can't have
more of by stopping work and enjoying
his wealth except doing stuff. And
I was born in this country. My parents
were born in this country. My
grandparents on one side were not, but
my grandparents on the other side were.
That cowboy spirit
that it he does all sorts of stuff I
can't stand. I don't want to see one
more of those Pepe memes ever. I really
don't. What the [ __ ] is his problem?
but Elon at his best is is the United States.
States.
You know, anything is possible here. And
we and we just waste our lives on
interpersonal drama.
He wastes his life to an enormous extent
as a troll.
I cannot. That's the part of him that I
don't understand is one why he's not
focused 100% on physics. I think he sees
it as going through grock and AI. He
doesn't want to trust humans. I think he
sees Mars as energizing to engineers and
the stars are innovating to engineers because the science there's no amount of
because the science there's no amount of engine you can't engineer your way to
engine you can't engineer your way to the stars with the science we have.
the stars with the science we have. But he's he's being a complete [ __ ]
But he's he's being a complete [ __ ] when it comes to science and he's being
when it comes to science and he's being a total hero when it comes to
a total hero when it comes to engineering.
engineering. Um,
Um, but he is the quintessential American.
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it doesn't go on forever. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> You or the universe or
>> You or the universe or >> I can't believe my story doesn't go on
>> I can't believe my story doesn't go on forever. Look, I've never died before so
forever. Look, I've never died before so I have no experience with it. So as far
I have no experience with it. So as far as I know, I've always been alive
as I know, I've always been alive and it'll always go on that way. But
and it'll always go on that way. But there's another thing that, you know, I
there's another thing that, you know, I I've talked about occasionally,
I've talked about occasionally, which is I'm not the most publicspirited
which is I'm not the most publicspirited human being.
human being. You know, I I am somebody who will take
You know, I I am somebody who will take the last the last rambutan,
the last the last rambutan, you know, and I know that you're not
you know, and I know that you're not supposed to do that in almost any
supposed to do that in almost any culture on earth, but sometimes it just
culture on earth, but sometimes it just sitting there bothers me. Okay? So, I'm
sitting there bothers me. Okay? So, I'm not the I'm not the classiest person on
not the I'm not the classiest person on earth,
earth, but I'll tell you something. If you have
but I'll tell you something. If you have a kid and you have a choice about eating
a kid and you have a choice about eating the ramatan yourself or giving the
the ramatan yourself or giving the rambatan to your child, this it's a
rambatan to your child, this it's a no-brainer. You you're going to enjoy
no-brainer. You you're going to enjoy the ramatan so much more if you give it
the ramatan so much more if you give it to your kid
to your kid and you'll see.
and you'll see. >> And that's the way in which this goes on
>> And that's the way in which this goes on forever.
That's great. I mean, just how many young people do I have to yell at?
young people do I have to yell at? I don't know if I want to have kids. I
I don't know if I want to have kids. I don't want to bring anyone into this
don't want to bring anyone into this horrible world.
horrible world. >> Why do you
>> Why do you >> have kids?
>> have kids? >> It bothers you. I can see it personally
>> It bothers you. I can see it personally bothers you.
>> Do you have any idea how much hate there is right now for Israel?
is right now for Israel? Do you have any idea how destabilizing
Do you have any idea how destabilizing this action against Iran was?
this action against Iran was? Do you have any idea how many people
Do you have any idea how many people have suffered for how long under the
have suffered for how long under the mullers?
We are being cheated of Persia. I'm not talking about Iran for the
I'm not talking about Iran for the Persians. I'm talking about we are
Persians. I'm talking about we are cheated of Persia. The entire planet,
cheated of Persia. The entire planet, one of the greatest societies on earth
one of the greatest societies on earth taken off the line.
taken off the line. I look
I look You're catching me on the wrong week.
I I don't want to dwell on it. This is just incredibly irresponsible.
This is just incredibly irresponsible. We're not going to survive this.
We're not going to survive this. Israel is certainly not going to survive
Israel is certainly not going to survive this.
If the Abbramic world does not get its head out of its ass, if the Christian
head out of its ass, if the Christian world does not start to stand up for
world does not start to stand up for itself without becoming this Christ is
itself without becoming this Christ is king nightmare.
king nightmare. You know, I was in Tel Aviv before this
You know, I was in Tel Aviv before this all happened and I I just said it from
all happened and I I just said it from the stage. Make the Middle East
the stage. Make the Middle East Christian again.
Does nobody understand their role is sort of my question.
sort of my question. How can you have Bethlehem without a
How can you have Bethlehem without a strong Christian presence?
>> Have you ever been to the Church of the Holy Supplr?
Holy Supplr? >> No.
>> No. >> Can I give you another assignment?
>> Can I give you another assignment? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Get off your ass and go. You got the
>> Get off your ass and go. You got the money. Walk the stations of the cross.
And for God's sakes, stop with the issue about belief.
about belief. You can pray like the rest of us. We're
You can pray like the rest of us. We're not sure if we're praying. We're not
not sure if we're praying. We're not sure if the thing is hooked up and
sure if the thing is hooked up and anyone's listening.
You have the right to go back even with doubt, even with knowledge. And you have
doubt, even with knowledge. And you have the right to believe about a tomorrow,
the right to believe about a tomorrow, you know, where where you're not going
you know, where where you're not going to be, but people are going to be
to be, but people are going to be mentioning your name.
mentioning your name. >> When you say that your your people are
>> When you say that your your people are under attack, who are you referencing as
under attack, who are you referencing as your people?
your people? I would in general there's several
I would in general there's several groups of people that I would describe
groups of people that I would describe as my people. The Jews would be one,
as my people. The Jews would be one, dyslexics would be another, Americans
dyslexics would be another, Americans would be another,
would be another, scientists would be another. It depends
scientists would be another. It depends on on what these things think. But right
on on what these things think. But right now, I'm thinking about the Jews and I'm
now, I'm thinking about the Jews and I'm thinking about the fact that the social
thinking about the fact that the social media businesses have lost complete
media businesses have lost complete control of
control of uh the bot farms and we're just seeing
uh the bot farms and we're just seeing this unbel I I I feel like I'm living
this unbel I I I feel like I'm living through the 1930s again. I I we've seen
through the 1930s again. I I we've seen this movie before.
this movie before. It doesn't end well.
It doesn't end well. You know what happened in Gaza is an
You know what happened in Gaza is an unbelievable tragedy.
unbelievable tragedy. And that tragedy was partially
And that tragedy was partially architected by the United States of
architected by the United States of America shoving a two-state solution
America shoving a two-state solution down the throats of Palestinian Arabs
down the throats of Palestinian Arabs who absolutely do not want a two-state
who absolutely do not want a two-state solution
and the creation in part of the situation where Israel has a hand, the
situation where Israel has a hand, the US has a hand, the Palestinian Arabs
US has a hand, the Palestinian Arabs have a hand. the creation of Hamas
have a hand. the creation of Hamas and and the promotion of this just
and and the promotion of this just unbelievable genius Senoir, the leader
unbelievable genius Senoir, the leader of Hamas, who is continuing to best BB
of Hamas, who is continuing to best BB Netanyahu from the grave.
Netanyahu from the grave. You know, it's just an amazing feat.
You know, it's just an amazing feat. Nobody reads anymore, as you know. Um,
Nobody reads anymore, as you know. Um, there's an old Sherlock Holmes story
there's an old Sherlock Holmes story called The Problem at Thor Bridge. You
called The Problem at Thor Bridge. You ever heard of it?
ever heard of it? >> No.
>> No. >> So, you're British. Um,
>> So, you're British. Um, Sherlock Holmes gets called in on a case
Sherlock Holmes gets called in on a case in which
in which um
um there's a murder
there's a murder and the murder is traced the murder is
and the murder is traced the murder is traced to this gentleman who still
traced to this gentleman who still exists.
exists. Uh
Uh what Sherlock Holmes figures out is that
what Sherlock Holmes figures out is that it's not a murder, it's a suicide in
it's not a murder, it's a suicide in which the gun will
which the gun will fall into the river at Thor Bridge
fall into the river at Thor Bridge because it's tied to a weight and the
because it's tied to a weight and the person uses the suicide
person uses the suicide to frame someone else. You know, it's
to frame someone else. You know, it's just one of these genius little
just one of these genius little vignettes. And that's what Senoir was.
vignettes. And that's what Senoir was. He was a a genius. He he knew he was
He was a a genius. He he knew he was going to die.
going to die. >> Who was Sinoir? Sinoir is the person who
>> Who was Sinoir? Sinoir is the person who who's committed suicide. Sinir's suicide
who's committed suicide. Sinir's suicide was an IDF assisted suicide. I wrote
was an IDF assisted suicide. I wrote about this almost instantly after the
about this almost instantly after the October 7th invasion. It didn't make any
October 7th invasion. It didn't make any sense that Gaza would undertake such an
sense that Gaza would undertake such an act against Israel given the asymmetry.
act against Israel given the asymmetry. And what this mirrored was that before
And what this mirrored was that before the 1990s. So you think Sinoir committed
the 1990s. So you think Sinoir committed suicide to then cause the people of Gaza
suicide to then cause the people of Gaza to invade Israel on
to invade Israel on >> No.
>> No. Senoir would be happy enough for all the
Senoir would be happy enough for all the Gazins to die.
Gazins to die. And so what he did was he architected a
And so what he did was he architected a situation in which Israel would be
situation in which Israel would be compelled to respond using the wrong
compelled to respond using the wrong tools.
tools. He tricked Israel. And you know, I I'm
He tricked Israel. And you know, I I'm very confident to to talk about this
very confident to to talk about this because if you check my old tweets, I
because if you check my old tweets, I say IDF assisted suicide
say IDF assisted suicide and monken by proxy and zukwang, right?
and monken by proxy and zukwang, right? And I said these are the concepts.
And I said these are the concepts. Familiarize yourself because Israel is
Familiarize yourself because Israel is going to invade Gaza
going to invade Gaza and I knew what was going to happen
and I knew what was going to happen because took me like why would you do
because took me like why would you do this? It doesn't make sense from first
this? It doesn't make sense from first order logic, but third and fourth order
order logic, but third and fourth order logic, you're like, "Oh, of course it
logic, you're like, "Oh, of course it makes sense." This is hybrid war. The
makes sense." This is hybrid war. The most important thing for Senoir is
most important thing for Senoir is video.
>> Why? >> Look at the effect of the video. The
>> Look at the effect of the video. The video of Gaza
video of Gaza has turned the world to an extent
has turned the world to an extent against Israel that's sort of
against Israel that's sort of inconceivable.
There's a doctrine called hybrid warfare and I think it came out of
and I think it came out of the US in the early 2000s and it says
the US in the early 2000s and it says that the kinetic component of warfare,
that the kinetic component of warfare, the killing, the actual shooting and the
the killing, the actual shooting and the planes and the bombs and all this kind
planes and the bombs and all this kind of stuff
of stuff is
is not the major component.
not the major component. The social media is really important.
The social media is really important. The video is important. The mimedic
The video is important. The mimedic complex is important.
complex is important. And
And Israel has an advantage over the Gazan
Israel has an advantage over the Gazan Arabs
Arabs in kinetic warfare.
in kinetic warfare. And Senoir knew that. He was like,
And Senoir knew that. He was like, "Brilliant.
"Brilliant. All we need to do is force Israel to
All we need to do is force Israel to come after us." And this is this thing I
come after us." And this is this thing I was going to say before the 1990s we had
was going to say before the 1990s we had a spate of killings of policemen firing
a spate of killings of policemen firing on people who had pulled toy guns on
on people who had pulled toy guns on them. And we would we would say things
them. And we would we would say things and I remember this like whatever you do
and I remember this like whatever you do don't point a toy gun at a policeman.
don't point a toy gun at a policeman. You're it's don't you realize what's
You're it's don't you realize what's going to happen? And then somebody
going to happen? And then somebody coined the phrase
coined the phrase police assisted suicide.
police assisted suicide. The policeman is the instrument.
That's what I knew was going to happen. And for better or for worse, BB just
And for better or for worse, BB just couldn't figure out where he was. And BB
couldn't figure out where he was. And BB was dumber and Senoir was smarter.
was dumber and Senoir was smarter. >> Is there any way back from here? Because
>> Is there any way back from here? Because you said this is World War II.
you said this is World War II. >> Well, the the way there is, but it's
>> Well, the the way there is, but it's slim and it's evaporating.
slim and it's evaporating. >> I mean, almost everything depends on
>> I mean, almost everything depends on Saudi Arabia and the and the Iranians,
Saudi Arabia and the and the Iranians, the Persians.
the Persians. If the Persians didn't take this
If the Persians didn't take this opportunity to rise up against their
opportunity to rise up against their oppressors,
oppressors, I don't know what they're waiting for.
I don't know what they're waiting for. Yes, you're going to get killed in some
Yes, you're going to get killed in some numbers, but you have to figure out
numbers, but you have to figure out whether you're interested in tyranny or
whether you're interested in tyranny or not. So, the Persians are absolutely
not. So, the Persians are absolutely falling down on the ground on the job,
falling down on the ground on the job, not rising up against the mullers. This
not rising up against the mullers. This is a coordinated moment. Like, you know,
is a coordinated moment. Like, you know, there's there's a moment for a prison
there's there's a moment for a prison break. This would be it.
break. This would be it. >> Who are the mullers in this city? the
>> Who are the mullers in this city? the Ayatollas, the government. Yeah. The the
Ayatollas, the government. Yeah. The the theocratic government of Iran.
theocratic government of Iran. >> So, the rulers of Iran, basically, the
>> So, the rulers of Iran, basically, the people that are Okay.
people that are Okay. >> So, I don't know if if if you know a ton
>> So, I don't know if if if you know a ton of Persians. They're varied in their
of Persians. They're varied in their religiosity,
religiosity, but there's a you know, there's an
but there's a you know, there's an underground gay scene in Thrron. There's
underground gay scene in Thrron. There's super hyperodern
super hyperodern people just like you and me who can't
people just like you and me who can't stand these guys.
stand these guys. >> And so, you're saying that if they rise
>> And so, you're saying that if they rise up,
up, >> they would that would be one of the
>> they would that would be one of the parts of the solution. The other thing
parts of the solution. The other thing is Saudi Arabia and and I have to be
is Saudi Arabia and and I have to be very measured and careful here. Um,
very measured and careful here. Um, you can't fantasize about the Middle
you can't fantasize about the Middle East becoming Western Europe overnight.
East becoming Western Europe overnight. Every time we do this, we make a
Every time we do this, we make a terrible mistake. When you have a
terrible mistake. When you have a modernizer like MBS in Saudi Arabia,
modernizer like MBS in Saudi Arabia, >> who's the ruler of Saudi Arabia, right?
>> who's the ruler of Saudi Arabia, right? >> Deacto.
>> Deacto. He can't
He can't suddenly become a modern person. So, you
suddenly become a modern person. So, you know, if if we end up talking about
know, if if we end up talking about Kosogible and murders and murdered
Kosogible and murders and murdered journalists and all this stuff, the
journalists and all this stuff, the whole conversation will derail. But he's
whole conversation will derail. But he's a modernizer.
a modernizer. And there was a moment where he needed
And there was a moment where he needed to not condemn Israel publicly and thank
to not condemn Israel publicly and thank it privately,
it privately, but to say,
but to say, "We've all been terrorized by this
"We've all been terrorized by this country, and Israel did what everyone
country, and Israel did what everyone needed.
needed. We needed to rise up against the mullers
We needed to rise up against the mullers because you can't have a nuclear
because you can't have a nuclear theocracy.
theocracy. You can't have a highly developed notion
You can't have a highly developed notion of heaven
of heaven where this is the this is the anti- room
where this is the this is the anti- room where you're waiting to get into the
where you're waiting to get into the real room.
real room. that issue
that issue of needing to be rid of an as aspiring
of needing to be rid of an as aspiring nuclear theocracy
nuclear theocracy something that in that Israel undertook
something that in that Israel undertook now something that I'm going to say
now something that I'm going to say there are three words in Yiddish which
there are three words in Yiddish which you may have heard or may not may not
you may have heard or may not may not and neb
so there are three unfortunate people you don't want to be any one of those
you don't want to be any one of those three but the subtlety is that the
three but the subtlety is that the schlamile is a klutz and the schlamile
schlamile is a klutz and the schlamile spills hot soup on the schlamazle. So
spills hot soup on the schlamazle. So the schlamazle is the unfortunate person
the schlamazle is the unfortunate person to whom bad things happen and the neb is
to whom bad things happen and the neb is the weak ineffectual person who decides
the weak ineffectual person who decides that it's his job to clean up the mess.
that it's his job to clean up the mess. So the schmile spills the scalding hot
So the schmile spills the scalding hot soup on the schlamasle and the neb
soup on the schlamasle and the neb cleans it up. Now, in the US, we've got
cleans it up. Now, in the US, we've got this terrible sort of Christian
this terrible sort of Christian nationalist
nationalist uh problem that we've developed, which
uh problem that we've developed, which is what sometimes people call the woke
is what sometimes people call the woke right, where we have a bunch of people
right, where we have a bunch of people who've been badly treated.
who've been badly treated. White Christian Americans have been
White Christian Americans have been badly treated in the woke era. They've
badly treated in the woke era. They've been forced to salute everybody else's,
been forced to salute everybody else's, you know, yay for uh, you know, I don't
you know, yay for uh, you know, I don't know, Honduran lesbians day. And and
know, Honduran lesbians day. And and it's like, okay, enough. we don't we
it's like, okay, enough. we don't we don't want to do that anymore. We've
don't want to do that anymore. We've also done great things and I absolutely
also done great things and I absolutely think that they've been mistreated.
think that they've been mistreated. Yeah.
Yeah. And they've gone sort of metastatic and
And they've gone sort of metastatic and their attitude is no more wars for
their attitude is no more wars for Israel. America first. What I was
Israel. America first. What I was getting to with the Schlam Schlamas and
getting to with the Schlam Schlamas and Nebbeck is that most Americans don't
Nebbeck is that most Americans don't have any idea who Kermit Roosevelt was.
have any idea who Kermit Roosevelt was. Do you have any idea of who?
Do you have any idea of who? So the US and the UK jointly overthrew a
So the US and the UK jointly overthrew a democratically elector in Iran through
democratically elector in Iran through something called Operation Ajax.
something called Operation Ajax. We installed the Shaw and then there's
We installed the Shaw and then there's this period where everybody stupidly
this period where everybody stupidly celebrates the miniskirts and the jazz
celebrates the miniskirts and the jazz that was going through Tyrron
that was going through Tyrron which was a bridge too far. In other
which was a bridge too far. In other words, the miniskirts were a really bad
words, the miniskirts were a really bad idea because they weren't they were
idea because they weren't they were ready for some amount of modernization
ready for some amount of modernization and they weren't ready for that. And so
and they weren't ready for that. And so we pushed it too far and so we got the
we pushed it too far and so we got the mullers for 40 years and now we chop off
mullers for 40 years and now we chop off people's fingers and we pluck out
people's fingers and we pluck out people's eyes and we put homosexuals on
people's eyes and we put homosexuals on ropes and dangle them from from cranes.
ropes and dangle them from from cranes. They're barbaric bar they're horrible
They're barbaric bar they're horrible human beings. Okay, these are really bad
human beings. Okay, these are really bad men, the mullers.
men, the mullers. And we did that. So the scalding hot
And we did that. So the scalding hot soup is revolutionary
soup is revolutionary theocratic Iran. And we spilled it all
theocratic Iran. And we spilled it all over the Middle East, which is the
over the Middle East, which is the schlamazle.
schlamazle. We spilled it on Saudi Arabia. We
We spilled it on Saudi Arabia. We spilled it on Iraq. We spilled it on
spilled it on Iraq. We spilled it on Israel. Everybody suffers from having
Israel. Everybody suffers from having these people installed because of the US
these people installed because of the US and the UK instituting a problem back in
and the UK instituting a problem back in the 50s. And who's the ne
the 50s. And who's the ne who cleans this up? Israel volunteers
who cleans this up? Israel volunteers for this job.
for this job. And then Saudi Arabia pretends, "Oh my
And then Saudi Arabia pretends, "Oh my god, this is terrible.
god, this is terrible. Our our Muslim brother is being attacked
Our our Muslim brother is being attacked by our Jewish uh barbarian. I I I just
by our Jewish uh barbarian. I I I just can't believe anybody's dumb enough to
can't believe anybody's dumb enough to fall for all of this.
fall for all of this. Like, we're involved in a story where
Like, we're involved in a story where nobody can sort things out. There's no
nobody can sort things out. There's no talking heads anyone believes in. And if
talking heads anyone believes in. And if I didn't understand this, then how is it
I didn't understand this, then how is it that I have a tweet from, you know, 10
that I have a tweet from, you know, 10 days after October 7th or I appeared on
days after October 7th or I appeared on trigonometry. I'm telling you, Israel
trigonometry. I'm telling you, Israel hasn't even walked into Gaza yet. And I
hasn't even walked into Gaza yet. And I know what the strategy is.
Iran sent hypersonic missiles into the ground in Israel as a message.
ground in Israel as a message. Violence is a language. And they spoke
Violence is a language. And they spoke it well. the the mullers may be crazy,
it well. the the mullers may be crazy, but they're still Persians. They're
but they're still Persians. They're they're extraordinarily skilled. And so
they're extraordinarily skilled. And so what they did is they wasted some of
what they did is they wasted some of their arsenal saying, "You have no Iron
their arsenal saying, "You have no Iron Dome.
Dome. And we're not going to kill you. We're
And we're not going to kill you. We're going to put our missiles, we're going
going to put our missiles, we're going to waste our missiles by sending them
to waste our missiles by sending them into your Earth and try to kill no one."
into your Earth and try to kill no one." And the Israelis, these brilliant,
And the Israelis, these brilliant, genius Israelis who pull off all sorts
genius Israelis who pull off all sorts of things that the world can't believe,
of things that the world can't believe, are dumb enough, some of them, to say,
are dumb enough, some of them, to say, "Huh, they sent all these missiles and
"Huh, they sent all these missiles and they couldn't even hit anyone." And I'm
they couldn't even hit anyone." And I'm just thinking,
just thinking, do do none of you understand anything? I
do do none of you understand anything? I I just don't even know where I am.
And I'm looking at, you know, I I know Tulsi.
Tulsi. >> Tulsi got it. Yeah, Tulsi is amazing.
>> Tulsi got it. Yeah, Tulsi is amazing. >> She's the head of the intelligence
>> She's the head of the intelligence program for the United States.
program for the United States. >> Director of national intelligence,
>> Director of national intelligence, right?
right? Tulsi has seen the devastation not of
Tulsi has seen the devastation not of war, but of US action abroad. Like we
war, but of US action abroad. Like we haven't really had full wars, but we get
haven't really had full wars, but we get involved in Afghanistan or Iraq or
involved in Afghanistan or Iraq or wherever. And and you know, people die
wherever. And and you know, people die and there are firefights. It's not like
and there are firefights. It's not like it has nothing to do with war, but
it has nothing to do with war, but full-on war is is a very different
full-on war is is a very different thing. We we say the Iraq war, but I I I
thing. We we say the Iraq war, but I I I want to be very careful about the
want to be very careful about the language. You know, war usually involves
language. You know, war usually involves you getting rocked at home, not just
you getting rocked at home, not just your your troops abroad.
I don't think she I don't think she appreciates the
I don't think she appreciates the gravity of the situation that somehow
gravity of the situation that somehow what we need to do is we need to
what we need to do is we need to stabilize this thing for 50 to 100 years
stabilize this thing for 50 to 100 years while we desperately try to figure out a
while we desperately try to figure out a long-term solution.
long-term solution. This idea of like just
we're not taking responsibility for the world we already screwed up.
world we already screwed up. I don't want to send Americans I, you
I don't want to send Americans I, you know, I'm not an Israeli, I'm an
know, I'm not an Israeli, I'm an American. I don't want to send my fellow
American. I don't want to send my fellow Americans to die in foreign battles that
Americans to die in foreign battles that we have no business being in. But we
we have no business being in. But we have to take ownership of our history
have to take ownership of our history with oil and energy in the Middle East.
with oil and energy in the Middle East. And
And >> what does that look like? Taking
>> what does that look like? Taking ownership?
ownership? >> Recognizing that we created the mullas
>> Recognizing that we created the mullas >> and doing what about it?
>> and doing what about it? >> And wait, wait a second, not just that.
>> And wait, wait a second, not just that. and that we also created a lot of the
and that we also created a lot of the heartache along with Sinoir and to a
heartache along with Sinoir and to a much lesser extent Israel by forcing
much lesser extent Israel by forcing this two-state solution
this two-state solution on people who would never put up with
on people who would never put up with it. Like I I lived in in Israel for two
it. Like I I lived in in Israel for two years, and you would have conversations
years, and you would have conversations with Arabs,
with Arabs, some of whom are Israelis,
some of whom are Israelis, you know, and they would say, "Look, you
you know, and they would say, "Look, you know, you just don't understand the West
know, you just don't understand the West Bank, and you don't understand the
Bank, and you don't understand the difference between the West Bank and
difference between the West Bank and Gaza,
Gaza, and they would tell me straight up,
and they would tell me straight up, you're going to get us all killed with
you're going to get us all killed with this two-state solution. Stop it."
And I, you know, it's very hard for me to hear,
to hear, but we're just having a child's
but we're just having a child's conversation about the Middle East.
conversation about the Middle East. And I will say this about the UK.
And I will say this about the UK. The British Foreign Service had a
The British Foreign Service had a different failure mode than the US. They
different failure mode than the US. They really learned the regions.
really learned the regions. They learned the dialects of the
They learned the dialects of the languages of the countries that they
languages of the countries that they were involved in. The British Empire
were involved in. The British Empire took many places that they were involved
took many places that they were involved in seriously and they have a very
in seriously and they have a very complicated legacy. You know, I'm I
complicated legacy. You know, I'm I spent a lot of time in Bombay and
spent a lot of time in Bombay and there's a lot of debate among very
there's a lot of debate among very educated Indians
educated Indians about figuring out how to think about
about figuring out how to think about the the British legacy, all of the great
the the British legacy, all of the great institutional structures that were
institutional structures that were built, all of the prejudice and bigotry.
built, all of the prejudice and bigotry. Why was such a small country able to
Why was such a small country able to colonize such a large land? Basically
colonize such a large land? Basically working with the locals. You know, it's
working with the locals. You know, it's a rich conversation. We're having
a rich conversation. We're having childlike conversations about all of
childlike conversations about all of this.
this. I'm sorry if I'm going on about this,
I'm sorry if I'm going on about this, but
but it's just a very weird thing that we're
it's just a very weird thing that we're we can't get anybody's attention.
we can't get anybody's attention. You can't even get my attention. You
You can't even get my attention. You know, I'm watching hypersonic missiles
know, I'm watching hypersonic missiles slam into the places I just was
and then I'm trying to figure out what to order through Uber Eats and it's just
to order through Uber Eats and it's just like I can't stay focused.
like I can't stay focused. It's really important to put this um to
It's really important to put this um to put this right. And the US screwed up
put this right. And the US screwed up the Middle East along with the UK really
the Middle East along with the UK really good. And we have a lot of
good. And we have a lot of responsibility. And if we want to go
responsibility. And if we want to go isolationist, I understand that. But you
isolationist, I understand that. But you first have to put back the chicken soup
first have to put back the chicken soup that you spilled.
that you spilled. >> And how'd you do that?
>> And how'd you do that? >> I'm not sure. I'm not the director of
>> I'm not sure. I'm not the director of national intelligence. I'm not I'm not
national intelligence. I'm not I'm not the secretary of defense. I'm not in the
the secretary of defense. I'm not in the Oval Office. I mean, you know, it's very
Oval Office. I mean, you know, it's very weird. I was workmates with JD Vance,
weird. I was workmates with JD Vance, you know.
you know. These these are people who are,
These these are people who are, you know, Bobby Kennedy lives one canyon
you know, Bobby Kennedy lives one canyon over from me in Los Angeles.
over from me in Los Angeles. The people around
The people around power in the US,
Godspeed, you know, just just wish them well. I don't care what party you're in,
well. I don't care what party you're in, but to to try to sabotage Trump or
but to to try to sabotage Trump or sabotage Tulsi or sabotage Pete Hex, I
sabotage Tulsi or sabotage Pete Hex, I these guys need to figure this out and
these guys need to figure this out and they need to be at a totally different
they need to be at a totally different level.
level. >> And is figuring it out peace in the
>> And is figuring it out peace in the region,
region, >> you know, the peace with between Egypt
>> you know, the peace with between Egypt and Israel is a shitty, crappy, horrible
and Israel is a shitty, crappy, horrible peace, but it's peace.
peace, but it's peace. It's not a loving relationship.
It's not a loving relationship. It's not a question of everybody going
It's not a question of everybody going back and forth between the two countries
back and forth between the two countries saying, you know, we used to be enemies,
saying, you know, we used to be enemies, now we're friends. It's a lousy, cold
now we're friends. It's a lousy, cold peace. I'll take it.
peace. I'll take it. We need to have peace between Israel and
We need to have peace between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs who can live in
the Palestinian Arabs who can live in peace. And we need the people who cannot
peace. And we need the people who cannot live in peace. We need to find someplace
live in peace. We need to find someplace else for them to be.
else for them to be. It is absolutely imperative. And by the
It is absolutely imperative. And by the way, this goes for the Israelis. there
way, this goes for the Israelis. there are small number of hardcore Israeli
are small number of hardcore Israeli settlers who cannot live uh you know in
settlers who cannot live uh you know in peace with their neighbors and it's very
peace with their neighbors and it's very important that the people who cannot
important that the people who cannot live in peace not be there.
live in peace not be there. >> Do we need to go to are are you
>> Do we need to go to are are you suggesting that we
suggesting that we focus on regime change in Iran?
focus on regime change in Iran? >> That is really the responsibility of the
>> That is really the responsibility of the Persians.
Persians. >> So I want to I want to get clear on what
>> So I want to I want to get clear on what you see as a solution because you're
you see as a solution because you're saying the Persian people have to rise
saying the Persian people have to rise up. the US need to care but not get
up. the US need to care but not get involved in that regime change.
involved in that regime change. >> I'm saying that a bunch of things need
>> I'm saying that a bunch of things need to happen if we're to have a long-term
to happen if we're to have a long-term solution.
solution. >> I make you president tomorrow.
>> I make you president tomorrow. >> I hate when people do this.
>> I hate when people do this. >> But I it's the clearest way of
>> But I it's the clearest way of understanding the actions you would
understanding the actions you would >> First of all, if I was president
>> First of all, if I was president tomorrow, I sure as hell wouldn't be on
tomorrow, I sure as hell wouldn't be on a podcast discussing strategy with you.
a podcast discussing strategy with you. >> Trump does it.
>> Trump does it. >> Yeah. I decline to answer all sorts of
>> Yeah. I decline to answer all sorts of questions on camera.
questions on camera. >> Fair.
>> Fair. >> Yeah. So my feeling is is that you do a
>> Yeah. So my feeling is is that you do a lot more behind closed doors and this
lot more behind closed doors and this idea of just handing people you're the
idea of just handing people you're the king of the world. What do you do
king of the world. What do you do tomorrow to stop you? It's like don't do
tomorrow to stop you? It's like don't do that to me because it's just it's a
that to me because it's just it's a no-win question. If I was going to I I
no-win question. If I was going to I I do a lot of Straussian communication.
do a lot of Straussian communication. I'd meet with people in private. I'd use
I'd meet with people in private. I'd use lots of carrots and sticks. I try to use
lots of carrots and sticks. I try to use long range thinking and I wouldn't tell
long range thinking and I wouldn't tell you what my plan is. And by the way, I
you what my plan is. And by the way, I very much respect Donald Trump in
very much respect Donald Trump in certain ways. One of which is is that
certain ways. One of which is is that and this confuses our friend Sam Harris
and this confuses our friend Sam Harris no end. Sam is always like, "Well, he's
no end. Sam is always like, "Well, he's not being truthful. He's not making
not being truthful. He's not making sense." He's a negotiator.
sense." He's a negotiator. You don't sit down to a negotiation with
You don't sit down to a negotiation with an open book saying, "Let me make sense
an open book saying, "Let me make sense to you."
to you." You sit there saying, "You don't know
You sit there saying, "You don't know what I'm going to do next. You don't
what I'm going to do next. You don't know how big the stick is. You don't
know how big the stick is. You don't know how much carrot there is. Maybe I'm
know how much carrot there is. Maybe I'm prepared to give you more. Maybe my
prepared to give you more. Maybe my stick isn't as big as you think. Or
stick isn't as big as you think. Or maybe it's twice as big." Do you think
maybe it's twice as big." Do you think anyone has good answers?
anyone has good answers? >> I'll be honest. I think that Trump is in
>> I'll be honest. I think that Trump is in part respected because he has some
part respected because he has some intuitions about this stuff.
intuitions about this stuff. His intuition is not to say everything.
His intuition is not to say everything. His intuition is that negotiation is
His intuition is that negotiation is more important than transparency.
more important than transparency. And at a time when everybody's craving
And at a time when everybody's craving transparency, tell me everything.
transparency, tell me everything. No, I'm not going to tell you
No, I'm not going to tell you everything.
everything. I'm going to try to save some children
I'm going to try to save some children today.
today. I'm going to threaten. I'm going to
I'm going to threaten. I'm going to cajol.
I'm going to do all sorts of things. And and you know, that's what I'd do. I
and you know, that's what I'd do. I would I would assemble the best people
would I would assemble the best people around me. I would stop giving so many
around me. I would stop giving so many press conferences. I wouldn't tweet
press conferences. I wouldn't tweet every 4 seconds. I'd be extremely
every 4 seconds. I'd be extremely strategic about it.
strategic about it. But
But you know, the situation in Tel Aviv and
you know, the situation in Tel Aviv and in Gaza makes me sick to my stomach.
And and in Ukraine, almost all of my DNA comes from Ukraine.
almost all of my DNA comes from Ukraine. At least passed through it.
At least passed through it. I've been there.
I've been there. And you know,
And you know, Russians in Ukraine, Ukraine used to be
Russians in Ukraine, Ukraine used to be known as little Russia.
This is a How are we sitting here watching this?
watching this? What [ __ ] decided in 2004
What [ __ ] decided in 2004 that we were just going to hand full
that we were just going to hand full Article 5 status
Article 5 status to former Soviet
to former Soviet republics without consequence.
It is not the case that I don't I would love to have Estonia, Latvia, and
love to have Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in NATO.
Lithuania in NATO. Not at this cost.
We've gotten really bad at at international
international understandings.
I can't stand what's happened to Europe. Europe has been completely denatured.
We're we're playing with fire everywhere. And I just I don't know how
everywhere. And I just I don't know how to talk about it because every time I
to talk about it because every time I talk about things where I'm the only
talk about things where I'm the only person who sounds like this,
person who sounds like this, it's bad for my life.
Look, if if you're in general a Ukraine hawk and you say, you know, we need to
hawk and you say, you know, we need to make sure that Ukraine is completely
make sure that Ukraine is completely supported so that they don't give an
supported so that they don't give an inch of territory. Yeah, you'll take a
inch of territory. Yeah, you'll take a lot of crap, but you'll be in a large
lot of crap, but you'll be in a large group.
group. And if you basically have the idea that
And if you basically have the idea that Russia, you know, was minding its own
Russia, you know, was minding its own business and the US was encircling it
business and the US was encircling it and good Russia, bad US,
and good Russia, bad US, you'll have a lot of company for that
you'll have a lot of company for that perspective.
perspective. I don't sound like any of that.
I don't sound like any of that. The most important thing is to stabilize
The most important thing is to stabilize the world again. And we're not going to
the world again. And we're not going to get another chance like World War II if
get another chance like World War II if we're not smart. We're crazy to give up
we're not smart. We're crazy to give up this order that we have. And again, you
this order that we have. And again, you know, one more time I'm talking about
know, one more time I'm talking about this stuff. And I don't want to be
this stuff. And I don't want to be talking about this stuff. Elon is 100%
talking about this stuff. Elon is 100% right. We can't talk about problems all
right. We can't talk about problems all the time. It's cheap meaning.
the time. It's cheap meaning. There's an entire universe to explore
There's an entire universe to explore and we're sitting here focused on our
and we're sitting here focused on our own drama always and I'm getting sucked
own drama always and I'm getting sucked into it. I don't want
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this picture that I came across. >> Tell me.
>> Tell me. >> Um well, I'd love you to tell me. This
>> Um well, I'd love you to tell me. This is the flower of life geometric model.
is the flower of life geometric model. And I was I was reading through some of
And I was I was reading through some of your work and I came across this
your work and I came across this sentence that said you'd kept a secret
sentence that said you'd kept a secret for 30 years
for 30 years in terms of your belief about the nature
in terms of your belief about the nature of the reality that we live in and that
of the reality that we live in and that you thought maybe it was more than just
you thought maybe it was more than just the dimensions we experience. Maybe
the dimensions we experience. Maybe there was 14 dimensions.
there was 14 dimensions. I've always I wonder this a lot, you
I've always I wonder this a lot, you know, because we we're fixated on
know, because we we're fixated on problems. We're fixated on what we see
problems. We're fixated on what we see and what we hear and what we feel. But I
and what we hear and what we feel. But I wonder sometimes if if even that is an
wonder sometimes if if even that is an illusion. I I've spent a lot of time
illusion. I I've spent a lot of time actually thinking recently about the
actually thinking recently about the simulation theory and is this whole
simulation theory and is this whole reality just some simulation on some
reality just some simulation on some kid's video game in another dimension.
kid's video game in another dimension. Um so I thought you know you're a
Um so I thought you know you're a physicist.
physicist. >> Do me a favor. Put that in a triangle
>> Do me a favor. Put that in a triangle pattern here. Okay. So we have three
pattern here. Okay. So we have three mugs.
mugs. Think of those as vertices of a
Think of those as vertices of a tetrahedrin and think of this coaster
tetrahedrin and think of this coaster floating here as the fourth vertex.
floating here as the fourth vertex. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> For every two vertices. So the number of
>> For every two vertices. So the number of vertices we would agree is four.
vertices we would agree is four. >> Yeah. What's what does verticy mean?
>> Yeah. What's what does verticy mean? >> Points.
>> Points. >> Yeah. 1 2 3 four.
>> Yeah. 1 2 3 four. >> Idealize these three things and this as
>> Idealize these three things and this as points.
points. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Draw a line segment between all of these
>> Draw a line segment between all of these four vertices. How many line segments
four vertices. How many line segments are there?
are there? >> One, two, three, four, five, six. Six.
>> One, two, three, four, five, six. Six. >> Yep. So there's six edges, four
>> Yep. So there's six edges, four vertices. How many triangular faces that
vertices. How many triangular faces that have three vertices on them?
have three vertices on them? >> Oh, four.
>> Oh, four. >> Yeah. This is how to think about the
>> Yeah. This is how to think about the actual dimensions that we have open to
actual dimensions that we have open to us. The four faces we know about.
us. The four faces we know about. The key point that I was trying to get
The key point that I was trying to get at is I don't believe that you just have
at is I don't believe that you just have the four dimensions. I believe that you
the four dimensions. I believe that you have all six edges are dimensions
have all six edges are dimensions and all four vertices are also
and all four vertices are also dimensions.
dimensions. I'm talking about a hidden world.
I'm talking about a hidden world. It's very interesting. Physics has gone
It's very interesting. Physics has gone stagnant in terms of how we usually
stagnant in terms of how we usually measure progress. The the way we measure
measure progress. The the way we measure progress is the change in something
progress is the change in something called the action or the lrangeian the
called the action or the lrangeian the specialized device and that used to
specialized device and that used to change a lot and then in 1973 it stopped
change a lot and then in 1973 it stopped changing.
changing. The major thing that we have is we have
The major thing that we have is we have no new ideas about how to change the
no new ideas about how to change the lrangeian that anybody finds that
lrangeian that anybody finds that exciting or interesting. So there's been
exciting or interesting. So there's been no progress. Nobody goes to Stockholm to
no progress. Nobody goes to Stockholm to get a Nobel Prize because they changed
get a Nobel Prize because they changed the lrangeian of the world.
the lrangeian of the world. >> What's the langrian?
>> What's the langrian? >> The lrangeian.
>> The lrangeian. So you probably think about physics in
So you probably think about physics in terms of equations like Maxwell's
terms of equations like Maxwell's equations or the Einstein equations or
equations or the Einstein equations or whatever.
whatever. Think about an equation
Think about an equation as being not the primary thing that
as being not the primary thing that physicists think about. So I give this
physicists think about. So I give this example. The Beatles had four basically
example. The Beatles had four basically different configurations.
different configurations. When Ringo was the front man, he was
When Ringo was the front man, he was singing Octopus's Garden. George
singing Octopus's Garden. George Harrison is singing While My Guitar
Harrison is singing While My Guitar Gently Weeps. You know, uh Paul is
Gently Weeps. You know, uh Paul is singing about Penny Lane and John is
singing about Penny Lane and John is singing about Strawberry Fields Forever.
singing about Strawberry Fields Forever. Those four equations,
Those four equations, those would be those different
those would be those different configurations of the Beatles with one
configurations of the Beatles with one of them front and everybody else backing
of them front and everybody else backing the front man
the front man would be the equations. But the Beatles
would be the equations. But the Beatles would be the Lrangeian. It's the thing
would be the Lrangeian. It's the thing that generates the four different
that generates the four different configurations.
configurations. >> Okay? And there's this bizarre force
>> Okay? And there's this bizarre force field that anybody who wants to talk
field that anybody who wants to talk about physics and doing something new in
about physics and doing something new in particular leaving or traversing time
particular leaving or traversing time or multiple dimensions of time. Anything
or multiple dimensions of time. Anything that's really close to what might be
that's really close to what might be possible gets slammed.
possible gets slammed. We don't know why
We don't know why because it's very cheap to explore ideas
because it's very cheap to explore ideas and we have no new ideas.
But the only thing about a new idea in physics is that a new idea changes the
physics is that a new idea changes the balance of power in the world. Do you
balance of power in the world. Do you remember the thing I was saying about
remember the thing I was saying about Alpha Fold 3?
Alpha Fold 3? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Alpha Fold 3 changed the balance of
>> Alpha Fold 3 changed the balance of power in the world. Bitcoin changed the
power in the world. Bitcoin changed the balance of power in the world. The
balance of power in the world. The diffuse proposal
diffuse proposal from the ecoalth alliance
from the ecoalth alliance changed the balance of power in the
changed the balance of power in the world if that was the source of the co
world if that was the source of the co virus.
virus. Anytime somebody has a really big idea
Anytime somebody has a really big idea and the biggest idea and you know I talk
and the biggest idea and you know I talk about this people don't grasp it
about this people don't grasp it probably the most dangerous thought
probably the most dangerous thought anyone has ever had
anyone has ever had was Rutherford in 1911 saying I wonder
was Rutherford in 1911 saying I wonder whether
whether there's a neutral version of the proton.
but it's hard to send a proton into a bunch of protons because it's positively
bunch of protons because it's positively charged and a massive nucleus is really
charged and a massive nucleus is really positively charged. And so there's a
positively charged. And so there's a repulsion.
repulsion. If there's a neutral version of the
If there's a neutral version of the proton, and these things are barely
proton, and these things are barely stuck together with a strong force, even
stuck together with a strong force, even though they're trying to scream away
though they're trying to scream away from each other because they want
from each other because they want they're all positively charged, you can
they're all positively charged, you can send a neutral version of the proton
send a neutral version of the proton right into the center.
right into the center. tap and just imagine you have a bunch of
tap and just imagine you have a bunch of magnets that are trying to flee from
magnets that are trying to flee from each other and the velcro around them is
each other and the velcro around them is barely holding it together. So now you
barely holding it together. So now you you have a bullet in the form of a
you have a bullet in the form of a neutral proton, a neutron, and it hits
neutral proton, a neutron, and it hits this thing where the magnets want to
this thing where the magnets want to come apart and the velcro is barely
come apart and the velcro is barely holding it together. Well, that idea
holding it together. Well, that idea led to the chain reaction
led to the chain reaction >> and the nuclear bomb.
>> and the nuclear bomb. >> Well, that that was the fision bomb and
>> Well, that that was the fision bomb and then a geometer. So I'm a geometer and
then a geometer. So I'm a geometer and not a physicist. And a physicist named
not a physicist. And a physicist named Edward Teller and the geometer is named
Edward Teller and the geometer is named Stannis Loss Ulong
Stannis Loss Ulong said, "I wonder if there's a way to take
said, "I wonder if there's a way to take the chemical bomb that creates the
the chemical bomb that creates the fision bomb and use the fision bomb as
fision bomb and use the fision bomb as the detonator for a fusion bomb."
the detonator for a fusion bomb." So bomb number one, bomb number two,
So bomb number one, bomb number two, bomb number three. And what they figured
bomb number three. And what they figured out was is that the only way to create
out was is that the only way to create that
that is to reflect light
is to reflect light in a particular way to compress
in a particular way to compress hydrogen into helium and release
hydrogen into helium and release energy
energy because anything other than light
because anything other than light wouldn't get to this the tertiary stage
wouldn't get to this the tertiary stage fast enough before the atomic bomb like
fast enough before the atomic bomb like you're using a Hiroshima Nagasaki as a
you're using a Hiroshima Nagasaki as a detonator. That's how crazy it is.
detonator. That's how crazy it is. So that chain of ideas, which is maybe
So that chain of ideas, which is maybe there's a neutral version of the proton,
there's a neutral version of the proton, maybe I can send that into the middle of
maybe I can send that into the middle of an atom that's very heavy that was built
an atom that's very heavy that was built in a stellar collision.
in a stellar collision. Maybe if I have a bunch of those uranium
Maybe if I have a bunch of those uranium or plutonium type things, each one when
or plutonium type things, each one when they break apart will have more neutrons
they break apart will have more neutrons inside. That is more neutral protons
inside. That is more neutral protons that will hit more nuclei that will
that will hit more nuclei that will release more energy. And maybe that can
release more energy. And maybe that can then focus the light, the gamma
then focus the light, the gamma radiation that comes off of this thing
radiation that comes off of this thing or who knows what
or who knows what to compress a narrow rod to create
to compress a narrow rod to create fusion which only occurs on the sun in
fusion which only occurs on the sun in the sun but but do it on Earth. So we're
the sun but but do it on Earth. So we're going to take a little bit of the sun on
going to take a little bit of the sun on Earth. That chain of ideas
Earth. That chain of ideas was the most dangerous thing anybody's
was the most dangerous thing anybody's ever thought.
ever thought. And that's why when you try to do
And that's why when you try to do physics, you don't know. Why are people
physics, you don't know. Why are people making fun of me? Why are they being
making fun of me? Why are they being mean? Why are they dissuading me from
mean? Why are they dissuading me from talking? I don't know.
talking? I don't know. >> You have a suspicion.
>> You have a suspicion. >> Well, there was a guy named Jack Raper,
>> Well, there was a guy named Jack Raper, the unfortunately named Mr. Jack Raper,
the unfortunately named Mr. Jack Raper, who was a reporter in Cleveland
who was a reporter in Cleveland who for some reason during the war in
who for some reason during the war in 1944 decided to vacation in New Mexico.
1944 decided to vacation in New Mexico. So he goes to New Mexico and he comes
So he goes to New Mexico and he comes back and he says, "I've got a crazy
back and he says, "I've got a crazy story.
story. There's a city that nobody knows about
There's a city that nobody knows about with a mayor who's supposed to be the
with a mayor who's supposed to be the second Einstein
second Einstein and it's the most secretive city in the
and it's the most secretive city in the world. And the mayor is working on a
world. And the mayor is working on a doomsday weapon and even the people who
doomsday weapon and even the people who live in the city don't know what it is."
live in the city don't know what it is." And he writes the story of Los Alamos
And he writes the story of Los Alamos and publishes it in 1944.
and publishes it in 1944. The scoop of the millennium to say
The scoop of the millennium to say nothing of the century. Nobody knows
nothing of the century. Nobody knows about this article and it's called
about this article and it's called Forbidden City.
>> We pretended that it never happened. >> For those that don't know, Los Alamos is
>> For those that don't know, Los Alamos is where the atomic the nuclear bomb was, I
where the atomic the nuclear bomb was, I guess, conceived and brought to life and
guess, conceived and brought to life and tested.
tested. >> Well, it was really it was really
>> Well, it was really it was really designed there and most of the nuclear
designed there and most of the nuclear processing took place at other sites,
processing took place at other sites, whether Hanford or Oakidge, I'm not
whether Hanford or Oakidge, I'm not sure.
sure. And it was tested a short distance away
And it was tested a short distance away uh at the Trinity site. So go watch the
uh at the Trinity site. So go watch the movie Oenheimer if you will. But this is
movie Oenheimer if you will. But this is why physics physicists are the only
why physics physicists are the only occupation in the country that doesn't
occupation in the country that doesn't have full free speech.
have full free speech. So, are you suggesting that there's
So, are you suggesting that there's dangers in believing in more dimensions
dangers in believing in more dimensions that maybe some people might not want to
that maybe some people might not want to be known in the same way that we didn't
be known in the same way that we didn't want the
want the >> My point is I don't think our government
>> My point is I don't think our government knows the real secrets of physics. If I
knows the real secrets of physics. If I had to make a bet tomorrow, I don't
had to make a bet tomorrow, I don't think there's a secret government office
think there's a secret government office that knows physics.
that knows physics. >> Okay. Mhm.
>> Okay. Mhm. >> I think that there were a bunch of very
>> I think that there were a bunch of very smart people who knew how dangerous
smart people who knew how dangerous physics was and that the idea that we
physics was and that the idea that we would continue to do it in public struck
would continue to do it in public struck them as insane
them as insane >> because it could lead to destruction.
>> because it could lead to destruction. >> When I tell you that the most dangerous
>> When I tell you that the most dangerous idea in human history is maybe there's a
idea in human history is maybe there's a neutral version of the proton, that's
neutral version of the proton, that's supposed to sound insane.
supposed to sound insane. But the entire chain of ideas results
But the entire chain of ideas results in nuclear fusion happening on Earth at
in nuclear fusion happening on Earth at the direction of the president of the
the direction of the president of the United States. And that's what I'm
United States. And that's what I'm trying to get at which people don't
trying to get at which people don't understand which is you probably don't
understand which is you probably don't even realize that the department of
even realize that the department of energy is really the department of
energy is really the department of physics
physics because we we we pretend that it's the
because we we we pretend that it's the department of energy. Like we had a war
department of energy. Like we had a war department that became the department of
department that became the department of defense. We're scared of the possibility
defense. We're scared of the possibility of physics.
of physics. >> We don't even want to talk about it.
>> We don't even want to talk about it. The the literally no other occupation
has lost free speech like physics. There's a special doctrine called
There's a special doctrine called restricted data that says you cannot
write physics on a napkin even if you have nothing to do with the
even if you have nothing to do with the government. I think even if you're not
government. I think even if you're not an American
an American if it has anything that could possibly
if it has anything that could possibly have to do with nuclear weapons. In
have to do with nuclear weapons. In other words, any advance
other words, any advance that might have to do with nuclear
that might have to do with nuclear weapons,
weapons, you have to recognize that the instant
you have to recognize that the instant you put pen to paper or you start
you put pen to paper or you start talking to somebody, you're committing
talking to somebody, you're committing a violation of the 1917 Espionage Act.
a violation of the 1917 Espionage Act. And if you think that's crazy, start
And if you think that's crazy, start exploring the words restricted data,
exploring the words restricted data, 1917 Espionage Act, 1946 and 1954 Atomic
1917 Espionage Act, 1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts, the doctrine of born
Energy Acts, the doctrine of born secret.
secret. It is illegal to pursue Q clearance data
It is illegal to pursue Q clearance data if you don't have a Q clearance. But if
if you don't have a Q clearance. But if you're creating Q clearance data out of
you're creating Q clearance data out of your own head as a byproduct of trying
your own head as a byproduct of trying to do physics,
to do physics, you are actually potentially committing
you are actually potentially committing a capital offense.
a capital offense. >> And your theory of everything, your
>> And your theory of everything, your theory, the theory you just talked to me
theory, the theory you just talked to me about there, what does that mean for the
about there, what does that mean for the for the average person that's listening
for the average person that's listening to this in terms of that they should
to this in terms of that they should >> Well, this is my point. Did Rutherford
>> Well, this is my point. Did Rutherford know what he was doing?
know what he was doing? >> No.
>> No. >> So, I talk about this a lot, but I do
>> So, I talk about this a lot, but I do think it's probably one of the greatest
think it's probably one of the greatest lyrics ever in any song. And
lyrics ever in any song. And unfortunately, it occurs in a song that
unfortunately, it occurs in a song that got way too popular. Um,
got way too popular. Um, the baffled king composing Hallelujah.
the baffled king composing Hallelujah. That line,
That line, a baffled king does not realize what he
a baffled king does not realize what he is doing when he composes. Rutherford
is doing when he composes. Rutherford was a baffled king.
was a baffled king. Maybe there is a neutral version of the
Maybe there is a neutral version of the proton.
proton. He was composing the end of the human
He was composing the end of the human race.
race. >> And your ideas about the nature of
>> And your ideas about the nature of reality.
reality. >> I'm a baffled person.
>> I'm a baffled person. >> And your proposal.
>> And your proposal. >> I am baffled. I don't know what it leads
>> I am baffled. I don't know what it leads to is what I'm trying to tell you.
to is what I'm trying to tell you. >> But your assertion is that there's more
>> But your assertion is that there's more than this dimension that we understand
than this dimension that we understand and more than
and more than >> I'm telling you that I can name for you
>> I'm telling you that I can name for you what particles there are left to be
what particles there are left to be found.
found. >> Mhm. And the what comes back to me
>> Mhm. And the what comes back to me is you don't have any predictions. And
is you don't have any predictions. And I'm thinking
I'm thinking this doesn't even make sense.
this doesn't even make sense. Literally, I'm telling you there are
Literally, I'm telling you there are maybe there's a neutral version of the
maybe there's a neutral version of the proton doesn't begin to talk about all
proton doesn't begin to talk about all the things that I'm talking about.
the things that I'm talking about. So many new forces, so many new
So many new forces, so many new particles, ways to go in. There's no
particles, ways to go in. There's no longer an arrow of time in my theory.
longer an arrow of time in my theory. So you could live forever theoretically.
So you could live forever theoretically. >> What does it mean
if if you think about a final theory? And again, by the way, I just want to
And again, by the way, I just want to say something. I say my theory sometimes
say something. I say my theory sometimes when I'm having to defend it, but it
when I'm having to defend it, but it isn't mine. It it it just is.
isn't mine. It it it just is. You know, Everest didn't belong
You know, Everest didn't belong to Sir Edmund Hillary or to Mallerie or
to Sir Edmund Hillary or to Mallerie or even to the surveyor for whom the
even to the surveyor for whom the mountain is named.
mountain is named. When you chose to make the first descent
When you chose to make the first descent on Everest,
on Everest, you just chose a route and then you e
you just chose a route and then you e either did or did not traverse the
either did or did not traverse the route. We don't know whether Mallalerie
route. We don't know whether Mallalerie may have succeeded, but my point is that
may have succeeded, but my point is that this isn't my theory.
this isn't my theory. There is a theory that's there. It might
There is a theory that's there. It might be wrong. It's possible. I may have
be wrong. It's possible. I may have screwed it up,
screwed it up, but
it's got so much in it that I have no idea what it means.
idea what it means. >> And the simple way to understand this
>> And the simple way to understand this theory is that there's dimensions that
theory is that there's dimensions that exist beyond the ones that we know.
exist beyond the ones that we know. >> We already know from Einstein that these
>> We already know from Einstein that these dimensions are implicitly in Einstein's
dimensions are implicitly in Einstein's theory. Every single dimension that I'm
theory. Every single dimension that I'm talking about is being constructed out
talking about is being constructed out of the four that we began with. When I
of the four that we began with. When I put the cups here and the coaster,
put the cups here and the coaster, the edges were calculated from the
the edges were calculated from the vertices and the faces were calculated
vertices and the faces were calculated from the edges.
from the edges. >> My point being these dimensions are
>> My point being these dimensions are already here.
already here. And because the dimensions are already
And because the dimensions are already here, they were already present in
here, they were already present in Einstein's theory all along. When you
Einstein's theory all along. When you ask for what Einstein's real equation
ask for what Einstein's real equation is, we actually don't think about it
is, we actually don't think about it that way. We call it the Einstein field
that way. We call it the Einstein field equations plural. How many of them are
equations plural. How many of them are there? 10. Why are there 10?
there? 10. Why are there 10? Because there are
Because there are six edges
six edges and four vertices that weren't accounted
and four vertices that weren't accounted for. They're already in Einstein's
for. They're already in Einstein's theory.
We just didn't take them seriously as directions you could go in.
directions you could go in. >> You've heard about this simulation
>> You've heard about this simulation theory, haven't you?
theory, haven't you? >> Well, I don't want to talk about it
>> Well, I don't want to talk about it >> really.
>> really. >> Well, again, it's the LLM problem. The
>> Well, again, it's the LLM problem. The really interesting thing comes from I
really interesting thing comes from I don't know. And maybe the maybe the
don't know. And maybe the maybe the cosmos is traversible.
cosmos is traversible. Maybe times travel replaces time travel.
You see, if I flip all of the dimensions of time and space, so I have one of
of time and space, so I have one of time, three of space in Einstein's
time, three of space in Einstein's theory. Okay, the time dimension gets a
theory. Okay, the time dimension gets a minus sign. The three spatial dimensions
minus sign. The three spatial dimensions get a plus sign.
get a plus sign. >> And the three spatial dimensions are
>> And the three spatial dimensions are >> X, Y, and Z.
>> X, Y, and Z. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> zed, forgive me.
>> zed, forgive me. >> Which is for for a simple person,
>> Which is for for a simple person, >> depth, width, and height.
>> depth, width, and height. >> Yeah, you can go like forward,
>> Yeah, you can go like forward, backwards, up, down.
backwards, up, down. >> Right.
>> Right. >> Okay. So, we have three dimensions
>> Okay. So, we have three dimensions there. And then we have one of time
there. And then we have one of time because the conversation takes place
because the conversation takes place over time. You're moving around.
over time. You're moving around. Now flip
Now flip the time dimension to being plus when it
the time dimension to being plus when it was minus before and all the plus
was minus before and all the plus dimensions to being minus. So I have now
dimensions to being minus. So I have now I have three time dimensions and one
I have three time dimensions and one space dimension. It would look exactly
space dimension. It would look exactly the same.
The one space dimension would take the function of time and the three time
function of time and the three time dimensions would have the function of
dimensions would have the function of space. We don't even teach people the
space. We don't even teach people the idea
idea that there is not necessarily an arrow
that there is not necessarily an arrow of time if time is not one-dimensional.
of time if time is not one-dimensional. The only dimension that has an arrow is
The only dimension that has an arrow is one. If something has one dimension, you
one. If something has one dimension, you can say,
can say, and you know, I tried to do this on
and you know, I tried to do this on Rogan. I said, "If you have a cassette
Rogan. I said, "If you have a cassette tape and you want to go back to an
tape and you want to go back to an earlier song, again, your younger
earlier song, again, your younger listeners will have no idea what we're
listeners will have no idea what we're talking about." Um, you have to go back
talking about." Um, you have to go back through all of the songs before, but if
through all of the songs before, but if you have a stylus on a turntable, some
you have a stylus on a turntable, some of them will be hipsters with vinyl in
of them will be hipsters with vinyl in their own homes. You can lift the stylus
their own homes. You can lift the stylus up and it doesn't need to go back and
up and it doesn't need to go back and unplay each song in reverse.
unplay each song in reverse. >> Mhm.
>> Mhm. >> Okay. You may be able to go back in time
>> Okay. You may be able to go back in time without going back through time.
I don't know what this means, but it's a lot like saying maybe there's a neutral
lot like saying maybe there's a neutral version of the proton. Now, what I'm
version of the proton. Now, what I'm concerned about is that essentially none
concerned about is that essentially none of my physics friends know that there is
of my physics friends know that there is a doctrine of restricted data. They've
a doctrine of restricted data. They've never heard of the 1946 and 54 atomic
never heard of the 1946 and 54 atomic energy acts. They don't know that the
energy acts. They don't know that the department of energy that funds them is
department of energy that funds them is really the the department of physics.
really the the department of physics. They don't know the extent to which we
They don't know the extent to which we went to hide all of this stuff. They
went to hide all of this stuff. They don't know that they're not allowed to
don't know that they're not allowed to talk to foreign nationals from hostile
talk to foreign nationals from hostile nations on our own soil because of a
nations on our own soil because of a doctrine called deemed exports. There's
doctrine called deemed exports. There's an entire hidden world of national
an entire hidden world of national security. And the penalty for talking
security. And the penalty for talking about national security with people who
about national security with people who don't live that is that you're a
don't live that is that you're a conspiracy theorist. It's like, do you
conspiracy theorist. It's like, do you have this terminology? Do you know the
have this terminology? Do you know the axe? Do you want to Google it? Well,
axe? Do you want to Google it? Well, you're This is also just something
you're This is also just something that's really interesting about the UFO
that's really interesting about the UFO UAP world. We had this admission
UAP world. We had this admission recently
recently that the government knew that at a
that the government knew that at a minimum, and again, I don't think this
minimum, and again, I don't think this is by anywhere close to the full story.
is by anywhere close to the full story. At a minimum there were secret fake
At a minimum there were secret fake special access programs. Do you know
special access programs. Do you know about special access programs? Su super
about special access programs? Su super secret programs are called special
secret programs are called special access programs.
access programs. Then there's a further category called
Then there's a further category called unagnowledged special access programs or
unagnowledged special access programs or USPS which is you can know that a
USPS which is you can know that a special access program exists
special access program exists like you know maybe warhead recovery is
like you know maybe warhead recovery is a might be a known one but then like
a might be a known one but then like there might be an uncknowledged special
there might be an uncknowledged special access program which is like theft of
access program which is like theft of foreign nuclear warheads which we it's
foreign nuclear warheads which we it's not even on the books only only the
not even on the books only only the super secret lawmakers uh you know in
super secret lawmakers uh you know in the gang of eight or whatever it can
the gang of eight or whatever it can know that that exists. And then there
know that that exists. And then there are further designations of secretness.
are further designations of secretness. There's waved and bigoted. So you can
There's waved and bigoted. So you can have like a waved bigoted unagnowledged
have like a waved bigoted unagnowledged special access program and you don't
special access program and you don't know any of this language.
know any of this language. And then there's this chorus of morons
And then there's this chorus of morons who the instant you start to educate
who the instant you start to educate people about the existence of the sup
people about the existence of the sup super secret squirrel club
super secret squirrel club rise up and say
rise up and say this is all conspiracy theory
this is all conspiracy theory and you're saying wait a second we just
and you're saying wait a second we just admitted in UFO UAP land that we have a
admitted in UFO UAP land that we have a fake special access program which I
fake special access program which I predicted on Joe Rogan. And I said, "We
predicted on Joe Rogan. And I said, "We may be faking a UFO situation."
The cost and the penalty at a personal level for letting people know how the
level for letting people know how the government keeps secrets is personal
government keeps secrets is personal destruction.
destruction. >> The US faked UFO program.
>> The US faked UFO program. >> Yes, correct. You don't know about this.
>> Yes, correct. You don't know about this. I think the Wall Street Journal had an
I think the Wall Street Journal had an article about it. So these guys knew
article about it. So these guys knew when they filed their reports on the UFO
when they filed their reports on the UFO UAP that there actually is at a minimum
UAP that there actually is at a minimum a fake UFO UAP program.
a fake UFO UAP program. >> Why would they want to fake UFOs?
>> This is so weird. Did you did you happen to watch Joe
Did you did you happen to watch Joe Rogan episode 1945 where I talked about
Rogan episode 1945 where I talked about the whole history of the golden age of
the whole history of the golden age of general relativity and its relationship
general relativity and its relationship to UFO UAP anti-gravity research and the
to UFO UAP anti-gravity research and the atomic bomb?
atomic bomb? >> I didn't know.
>> I didn't know. >> Okay.
>> Okay. When we invaded
When we invaded the beaches of Normandy on D-Day,
the beaches of Normandy on D-Day, that was called Operation Overlord.
that was called Operation Overlord. We had an entirely fake invasion planned
We had an entirely fake invasion planned of Norway called Operation Fortitude
of Norway called Operation Fortitude that was part of Operation Bodyguard,
that was part of Operation Bodyguard, which is part of just total deception.
which is part of just total deception. And why? Because we were building up
And why? Because we were building up troops to do something huge. So we tried
troops to do something huge. So we tried to convince, we like planted plans for
to convince, we like planted plans for the invasion of Norway on dead bodies to
the invasion of Norway on dead bodies to wash up on beaches so Germans would find
wash up on beaches so Germans would find them. We fake stuff all the time. That's
them. We fake stuff all the time. That's what we do.
And you can't talk about what we do that is deceptive without being ruined by
is deceptive without being ruined by what are called covert influence
what are called covert influence operations.
operations. Like if you'll you watch my Twitter
Like if you'll you watch my Twitter account, you'll see all sorts of
account, you'll see all sorts of accounts descend on it. Fraud Charlotte
accounts descend on it. Fraud Charlotte and Grifter blah blah blah blah blah
and Grifter blah blah blah blah blah blah.
blah. Some of that is just people being mean.
Some of that is just people being mean. But you'll notice that like if I really
But you'll notice that like if I really start talking about physics and I start
start talking about physics and I start talking about security and I start
talking about security and I start talking about things that anyone can
talking about things that anyone can Google and most of us don't think to do
Google and most of us don't think to do it,
it, suddenly it gets really really intense.
And the whole point is it's supposed to be untraceable.
be untraceable. It's supposed to be a way in which like
It's supposed to be a way in which like almost certainly we know a ton about
almost certainly we know a ton about what happened in the Wuhan Institute of
what happened in the Wuhan Institute of Viology
Viology because of two bioweapons conventions
because of two bioweapons conventions that we were signitaries to and which we
that we were signitaries to and which we ratified the Geneva Convention and a
ratified the Geneva Convention and a bioweapons convention in the 1970s. But
bioweapons convention in the 1970s. But that's not top of mind for ordinary
that's not top of mind for ordinary people. They just watched, you know,
people. They just watched, you know, their great grandma die and they watched
their great grandma die and they watched their children get sick and they watched
their children get sick and they watched their own brain fog.
their own brain fog. They can't know whether that was a
They can't know whether that was a bioweapon that we were working on coming
bioweapon that we were working on coming out of the University of North Carolina
out of the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill with Ralph Bareric's lab.
Chapel Hill with Ralph Bareric's lab. You know, we're we're up to constant
You know, we're we're up to constant secret stuff. Why would they fake the
secret stuff. Why would they fake the UFOs, though? What was the what was that
UFOs, though? What was the what was that distraction? Have you ever seen the B2
distraction? Have you ever seen the B2 bomber?
bomber? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> What if you saw that before we were
>> What if you saw that before we were ready to say it existed?
ready to say it existed? >> Yeah. You'd think it was a UFO or
>> Yeah. You'd think it was a UFO or something.
something. >> So, wouldn't it be better if we had a
>> So, wouldn't it be better if we had a UFO story ready to go when we had cool
UFO story ready to go when we had cool aerospace?
aerospace? >> Oh, okay. So, you're saying they're
>> Oh, okay. So, you're saying they're working on something which they didn't
working on something which they didn't want you to know.
want you to know. >> What's more, what if we convinced China
>> What's more, what if we convinced China or Russia or Iran
or Russia or Iran that we had incredible powers that they
that we had incredible powers that they don't have?
don't have? >> Then they might be very reluctant to
>> Then they might be very reluctant to strike us.
strike us. or they might waste a tremendous amount
or they might waste a tremendous amount of money developing anti-gravity
of money developing anti-gravity technology when there's no such thing.
technology when there's no such thing. There are plenty of good reasons to fake
There are plenty of good reasons to fake such thing. Why would we fake an why
such thing. Why would we fake an why would we plan an invasion of Norway if
would we plan an invasion of Norway if we weren't going to invade?
we weren't going to invade? >> But if that's a distraction technique,
>> But if that's a distraction technique, do you have any hypothesis as to what
do you have any hypothesis as to what was going on there?
was going on there? >> But that's not my job.
>> But that's not my job. >> Okay.
>> Okay. Because as soon as you do that, I know
Because as soon as you do that, I know that my the quality of my guessing is
that my the quality of my guessing is not going to be at the quality of my
not going to be at the quality of my detecting when we're up to [ __ ]
detecting when we're up to [ __ ] >> Okay?
>> Okay? >> So, in other words, if you ask me
>> So, in other words, if you ask me why is physics stagnant,
why is physics stagnant, I can say I don't know, but there's a
I can say I don't know, but there's a decent chance that we know how dangerous
decent chance that we know how dangerous physics is and that it's crazy to do it
physics is and that it's crazy to do it in an open university environment. We've
in an open university environment. We've taken precautions. We have a system of
taken precautions. We have a system of national laboratories which are
national laboratories which are effectively our secret university system
effectively our secret university system uh where you have to be an American. So
uh where you have to be an American. So we we're using our regular universities
we we're using our regular universities and the whole world comes through it.
and the whole world comes through it. You know we have Chinese people learning
You know we have Chinese people learning physics side by side our own people.
physics side by side our own people. >> And I guess you're saying that you don't
>> And I guess you're saying that you don't know if UFOs exist but you you're you're
know if UFOs exist but you you're you're sure now that they were faking this. I
sure now that they were faking this. I am absolutely positive that we have
am absolutely positive that we have unagnowledged programs
unagnowledged programs that have UFO written on the side of
that have UFO written on the side of them.
them. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> In other words, the number of people who
>> In other words, the number of people who repeat who repeat strikingly similar
repeat who repeat strikingly similar things
things who appear to be completely sober in
who appear to be completely sober in every other respect with no known acting
every other respect with no known acting ability. There is no way in the world
ability. There is no way in the world that these people just spontaneously
that these people just spontaneously have decided to destroy their sanity,
have decided to destroy their sanity, their career, and their reputation.
their career, and their reputation. >> I've got you.
>> I've got you. >> At a minimum, we're faking.
>> At a minimum, we're faking. I think we are doing a lot more than
I think we are doing a lot more than faking a UFO program.
faking a UFO program. I don't know what it is and I also would
I don't know what it is and I also would not be talking about this on a large
not be talking about this on a large podcast, but for one thing,
podcast, but for one thing, I have a particular hatred for one
I have a particular hatred for one aspect of our intelligence community.
aspect of our intelligence community. And I I don't mean that I dis disagree
And I I don't mean that I dis disagree or don't like or I'm not uncomfortable
or don't like or I'm not uncomfortable when our secret squirrel club inside the
when our secret squirrel club inside the intelligence world and inside in
intelligence world and inside in particular covert operations targets our
particular covert operations targets our own people who are not read into these
own people who are not read into these programs for personal destruction,
programs for personal destruction, reputational destruction, mental
reputational destruction, mental destruction, economic destruction. We
destruction, economic destruction. We take our best people and we make fun of
take our best people and we make fun of them and we belittle them and we destroy
them and we belittle them and we destroy their families, their lives, their
their families, their lives, their ability to earn.
ability to earn. I have a very strong sense that you
I have a very strong sense that you never destroy your best people.
never destroy your best people. >> Do you think you're under attack?
>> Do you think you're under attack? >> Let me talk about Leo Zillard instead.
>> Let me talk about Leo Zillard instead. Leo Zillard is the father of the
Leo Zillard is the father of the Manhattan Project,
Manhattan Project, >> which was the where the nuclear bomb was
>> which was the where the nuclear bomb was created.
created. >> That's right. He was not allowed to go
>> That's right. He was not allowed to go inside the Manhattan Project because
inside the Manhattan Project because they didn't trust him. He was a genius.
they didn't trust him. He was a genius. He was the idea for the Manhattan
He was the idea for the Manhattan Project. He and Einstein made sure that
Project. He and Einstein made sure that it happened.
it happened. The government barely trusted
The government barely trusted Oppenheimer. If you saw the film,
Oppenheimer. If you saw the film, what they did with Leo Zillard was they
what they did with Leo Zillard was they minded him. They knew how good he was.
minded him. They knew how good he was. They knew how important he was. They
They knew how important he was. They listened to him and they didn't destroy
listened to him and they didn't destroy him. He undoubtedly knew that the
him. He undoubtedly knew that the program was going on,
program was going on, but he wasn't allowed inside the
but he wasn't allowed inside the program.
I think that's okay. I think it's okay that our security
I think it's okay that our security state
state recognizes that some people are not cut
recognizes that some people are not cut out to keep secrets. Some people are not
out to keep secrets. Some people are not cut out
cut out to die with certain facts that have to
to die with certain facts that have to be kept hidden. That's fine.
be kept hidden. That's fine. the desire of our government to destroy
the desire of our government to destroy people who have no idea what they've
people who have no idea what they've tripped over because our government
tripped over because our government isn't good enough to keep its own
isn't good enough to keep its own secrets.
This is an abomination. You cannot destroy your a team.
You cannot destroy your a team. >> Who are you referring to when you say
>> Who are you referring to when you say people are being destroyed? Are you
people are being destroyed? Are you referring to people like yourself?
referring to people like yourself? You know, if you look at, for example,
You know, if you look at, for example, Jeffrey Epstein,
Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein conducted a conference
Jeffrey Epstein conducted a conference called Confronting Gravity.
called Confronting Gravity. I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein was,
I don't know who Jeffrey Epstein was, but I'll I would certainly bet money
but I'll I would certainly bet money that he was a product of at least one
that he was a product of at least one uh or more elements of the intelligence
uh or more elements of the intelligence community.
community. >> The CIA, the FBI,
>> The CIA, the FBI, >> that those are ours, right? Department
>> that those are ours, right? Department of Homeland Security has some of the
of Homeland Security has some of the stuff. Geospatial Intelligence has some
stuff. Geospatial Intelligence has some of this. You know, it's a it's a large
of this. You know, it's a it's a large network. Um, I'm talking about people
network. Um, I'm talking about people like David Grush.
like David Grush. I'm talking about people potentially
I'm talking about people potentially like David Fraver.
like David Fraver. I'm talking about people like Jake
I'm talking about people like Jake Barber.
Barber. I'm talking about scientists
I'm talking about scientists like Leo Zillard. Imagine if Leo Ziller
like Leo Zillard. Imagine if Leo Ziller didn't know that the Manhattan Project
didn't know that the Manhattan Project was going on or Jack Raper, a journalist
was going on or Jack Raper, a journalist who broke a story. These people all
who broke a story. These people all think that they're doing their jobs.
I desperately want to know why Jeffrey Epstein knew so much about my work
Epstein knew so much about my work and I want to know why he was connected
and I want to know why he was connected to my graduate program.
I was I was in the Harvard mathematics department. Jeffrey Epstein was
department. Jeffrey Epstein was absolutely connected to the Harvard math
absolutely connected to the Harvard math department. I want to know why.
department. I want to know why. >> How was he connected to the math
>> How was he connected to the math department?
department? >> You're pushing me to say things I'm not
>> You're pushing me to say things I'm not going to say.
going to say. >> I'm curious. I'm not trying to push you.
>> I'm curious. I'm not trying to push you. >> I understand, but I'm just not going to
>> I understand, but I'm just not going to do it. I'm saying that anybody who wants
do it. I'm saying that anybody who wants >> You say he was connected to the math
>> You say he was connected to the math department
department >> to the Harvard mathematics department.
>> to the Harvard mathematics department. >> How did you know he was connected?
>> How did you know he was connected? >> You can Google it. You could Google it
>> You can Google it. You could Google it right now.
right now. This is not I I can point at all sorts
This is not I I can point at all sorts of stuff that's hidden in plain sight.
of stuff that's hidden in plain sight. >> So, I'll take your word for it. And the
>> So, I'll take your word for it. And the assertion that I'm picking up on is that
assertion that I'm picking up on is that Jeffrey Epstein was planted in your
Jeffrey Epstein was planted in your world to keep
world to keep >> I'm not saying he's planted. I don't
>> I'm not saying he's planted. I don't know who he was. I don't know who ran
know who he was. I don't know who ran him. He certainly was not a financeier
him. He certainly was not a financeier in any standard sense.
in any standard sense. >> Really,
>> Really, >> that was a cover story. Yes. The way
>> that was a cover story. Yes. The way that we know Jeffrey Epstein in the UK
that we know Jeffrey Epstein in the UK especially is just this guy who was this
especially is just this guy who was this rich guy who had this island who brought
rich guy who had this island who brought people there and then did these
people there and then did these despicable things that
despicable things that >> disgraced financeier Jeffrey Epstein.
>> disgraced financeier Jeffrey Epstein. >> Yeah, that's what we that's the story.
>> Yeah, that's what we that's the story. >> Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epste. It's
>> Disgraced financier Jeffrey Epste. It's called proveration. He was a disgraced
called proveration. He was a disgraced financeier. What kind of a finance year
financeier. What kind of a finance year or disgraced one? What was his name? Oh,
or disgraced one? What was his name? Oh, he was disgraced financier Jeffrey
he was disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.
Epstein. >> They proceverate that into your mind so
>> They proceverate that into your mind so that you autocomplete that in your LLM
that you autocomplete that in your LLM life.
life. Do you believe that that's what Jeffrey
Do you believe that that's what Jeffrey Epstein was?
Epstein was? >> You met him? You
>> You met him? You >> Yeah, I can tell that finance finance
>> Yeah, I can tell that finance finance year.
year. >> He wasn't a finance year the day I met
>> He wasn't a finance year the day I met him.
him. >> What was he?
>> What was he? >> He was a weird guy who didn't seem to
>> He was a weird guy who didn't seem to know a lot about currency trading,
claiming to run a multi-billion dollar FX hedge fund.
FX hedge fund. >> When you say a weird guy, what made him
>> When you say a weird guy, what made him weird?
weird? >> Same stuff I've said on Chris William.
>> Same stuff I've said on Chris William. I'm not going to go back through that.
I'm not going to go back through that. Just my my point is you're getting a
Just my my point is you're getting a different interview, right?
different interview, right? >> So, what I'm trying to get at is Jeffrey
>> So, what I'm trying to get at is Jeffrey Epstein knew a tremendous amount about
Epstein knew a tremendous amount about my work when nobody knew anything about
my work when nobody knew anything about my work and he had a pipeline into me
my work and he had a pipeline into me that I didn't understand which is that
that I didn't understand which is that he was connected to my graduate program.
he was connected to my graduate program. And you can check out the conference
And you can check out the conference called Exploring Gravity uh
called Exploring Gravity uh >> and hosted physical workshop called
>> and hosted physical workshop called Confronting Gravity.
Confronting Gravity. >> Confronting gravity. That's right. in
>> Confronting gravity. That's right. in March 2006.
March 2006. >> Yeah. What is Jeffrey Epste? Jeffrey
>> Yeah. What is Jeffrey Epste? Jeffrey Epstein is very focused on gravity.
Epstein is very focused on gravity. >> Was it a gravity conference? It was
>> Was it a gravity conference? It was about gravity.
about gravity. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> What the [ __ ] was he doing talking about
>> What the [ __ ] was he doing talking about bloody gravity if he's a finance year?
bloody gravity if he's a finance year? >> It was very important to get Nobel
>> It was very important to get Nobel laureates and some of the smartest
laureates and some of the smartest people on earth to come to the Virgin
people on earth to come to the Virgin Islands and talk about gravity. Steven
Islands and talk about gravity. Steven Hawkins was there. David Gross was
Hawkins was there. David Gross was there. Lawrence Krauss was there. Lisa
there. Lawrence Krauss was there. Lisa Randall was there right before his
Randall was there right before his conviction.
conviction. And I'm telling you, he was very focused
And I'm telling you, he was very focused on the Harvard math department.
on the Harvard math department. and he knew all about me in ways that he
and he knew all about me in ways that he wasn't supposed to.
>> I have to I have to be clear. I have to be clear on my understanding of what
be clear on my understanding of what you're saying. From what I understood
you're saying. From what I understood and you can say, Steve, I'm not going to
and you can say, Steve, I'm not going to answer that. Whatever. But I just have
answer that. Whatever. But I just have to because you've opened up a curiosity
to because you've opened up a curiosity hole in my mind. So, let me try and fill
hole in my mind. So, let me try and fill it. Even if it's the conversation you
it. Even if it's the conversation you had with Chris,
had with Chris, >> um
>> um >> I'll just evade you if
>> I'll just evade you if >> fine. you're within the right to evade
>> fine. you're within the right to evade me and I hold the right to ask which is
me and I hold the right to ask which is um
um >> so is what I'm hearing is you believe
>> so is what I'm hearing is you believe and I'm just going to say it how I think
and I'm just going to say it how I think it is what I'm hearing is you believe
it is what I'm hearing is you believe that Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein was not a
that Jeffrey Jeffrey Epstein was not a financier he was planted in some way to
financier he was planted in some way to >> he was a construct is what I said
>> he was a construct is what I said >> he was a construct in some way to
>> he was a construct in some way to mess with the
mess with the progression of physics
progression of physics >> Jeffrey Epstein
>> Jeffrey Epstein Apparently, I think some I'll tell you
Apparently, I think some I'll tell you what I said when I met him. When the
what I said when I met him. When the meeting was over, I immediately called
meeting was over, I immediately called my wife and I said, "I have just met a
my wife and I said, "I have just met a construct." She said, "What do you
construct." She said, "What do you mean?" I said, "This person is not who
mean?" I said, "This person is not who they claim to be. Somebody has
they claim to be. Somebody has constructed this human being to be
constructed this human being to be something that they are not." Which is a
something that they are not." Which is a hedge fund genius. Somebody who could
hedge fund genius. Somebody who could understand the euro and the yen like
understand the euro and the yen like nobody else. [ __ ] Not true.
I believe that whoever constructed Jeffrey Epstein was running multiple
Jeffrey Epstein was running multiple different programs through the same
different programs through the same thing, having put in a large initial
thing, having put in a large initial investment.
investment. It wasn't about one thing. If you build
It wasn't about one thing. If you build a mall, you don't just have clothing
a mall, you don't just have clothing stores in the mall. You have a food
stores in the mall. You have a food court in the mall, right? You have
court in the mall, right? You have jewelry in the mall. You you you have
jewelry in the mall. You you you have all sorts of different things in the
all sorts of different things in the mall.
mall. Jeffrey Epstein was a construct of
Jeffrey Epstein was a construct of something
something that was running multiple things. One of
that was running multiple things. One of those things was science. And I don't
those things was science. And I don't think that the science and the
think that the science and the pedophilia were necessarily in the same
pedophilia were necessarily in the same bucket. He was funding all sorts of
bucket. He was funding all sorts of people. I don't think everybody at that,
people. I don't think everybody at that, you know, part of the problem with
you know, part of the problem with calling his plane the Lolita Express and
calling his plane the Lolita Express and calling his island pedophile island is
calling his island pedophile island is that you just can't see all the
that you just can't see all the different things that were going through
different things that were going through this guy.
this guy. I don't think almost any of those
I don't think almost any of those scientists are exposed, you know, maybe
scientists are exposed, you know, maybe a few of them, but very few of them to
a few of them, but very few of them to anything really horrible. I think he was
anything really horrible. I think he was trying to keep a periscope on everything
trying to keep a periscope on everything that was interesting.
that was interesting. And I think that his girlfriend's
And I think that his girlfriend's father, Robert Maxwell, was all through
father, Robert Maxwell, was all through scientific publishing.
scientific publishing. And I think Pergamont Press was in part
And I think Pergamont Press was in part a control mechanism
a control mechanism for making sure that revolutionary
for making sure that revolutionary discoveries were taking place within a
discoveries were taking place within a framework.
framework. Anybody can look,
Anybody can look, you can write a Substack article and you
you can write a Substack article and you can hit post and suddenly the world has
can hit post and suddenly the world has access to your Substack article. That is
access to your Substack article. That is a nightmare. What if somebody posts, you
a nightmare. What if somebody posts, you know, weaponized anthrax?
know, weaponized anthrax? What if they do the equivalent of
What if they do the equivalent of saying, "What if there's a neutral
saying, "What if there's a neutral proton?"
proton?" >> So, you think he was controlling
>> So, you think he was controlling science?
science? >> I think that Robert Maxwell was in part
>> I think that Robert Maxwell was in part trying to control science. I think
trying to control science. I think Jeffrey Epstein was in part trying to
Jeffrey Epstein was in part trying to fund science, trying to control it. I
fund science, trying to control it. I don't really know.
don't really know. Again, you know, part of the problem
Again, you know, part of the problem with why conspiracy theorists have a bad
with why conspiracy theorists have a bad name is that they're not content to live
name is that they're not content to live in ignorance, and I mean, I am
in ignorance, and I mean, I am I know something is really off with this
I know something is really off with this story.
story. If if you look at me saying things like,
If if you look at me saying things like, "You don't know whether Biden is going
"You don't know whether Biden is going to make it to November." Haha, Eric, you
to make it to November." Haha, Eric, you know what an idiot. Blah blah blah.
know what an idiot. Blah blah blah. Okay, then he has a debate. He doesn't
Okay, then he has a debate. He doesn't make it to November.
make it to November. You know, I'm not Nostradamus. I'm just
You know, I'm not Nostradamus. I'm just dumb enough to say something in public
dumb enough to say something in public that that makes sense. Let me say
that that makes sense. Let me say something in public that makes sense.
something in public that makes sense. Our national security people suck at
Our national security people suck at their jobs.
their jobs. the people who are in charge of the
the people who are in charge of the department of energy which is masking
department of energy which is masking the department of physics which is m
the department of physics which is m masking the department of nuclear
masking the department of nuclear weapons right the atomic energy acts
weapons right the atomic energy acts which are really about atomic weaponry
which are really about atomic weaponry recast as atoms for peace or who knows
recast as atoms for peace or who knows what Jeffrey Epstein who is not a
what Jeffrey Epstein who is not a disgraced finance seere
disgraced finance seere the newspapers that have always had a
the newspapers that have always had a national interest component and have
national interest component and have liaison so that they can work with the
liaison so that they can work with the CIA and the state department and they do
CIA and the state department and they do each other's bidding and scratch each
each other's bidding and scratch each other. This whole network
other. This whole network is the is what I've called managed
is the is what I've called managed reality. We live in managed reality.
reality. We live in managed reality. We are all in some version of The Truman
We are all in some version of The Truman Show.
Show. And you can look at it. You can Google
And you can look at it. You can Google it. I can give you a million search
it. I can give you a million search terms. And every time I give a million
terms. And every time I give a million search terms, you'll watch my reputation
search terms, you'll watch my reputation get torn apart.
get torn apart. Are you are you going to blame me that
Are you are you going to blame me that you didn't know what the whole of
you didn't know what the whole of society approach is because you didn't
society approach is because you didn't know the Daniel Inaway Center for
know the Daniel Inaway Center for Security in the Pacific came up with an
Security in the Pacific came up with an idea for soft fascism to fight hybrid
idea for soft fascism to fight hybrid wars? You didn't know what hybrid
wars? You didn't know what hybrid warfare? Look, look at my talk at ARC,
warfare? Look, look at my talk at ARC, Jordan Peterson's group, the Alliance
Jordan Peterson's group, the Alliance for Responsible Citizenship. It's almost
for Responsible Citizenship. It's almost two million views. And why is it?
two million views. And why is it? Because people are saying, "I didn't
Because people are saying, "I didn't know these terms.
know these terms. Did you know what the Human Terrain
Did you know what the Human Terrain Project is? You know, do you know about
Project is? You know, do you know about human terrain? You're a mountain. I'm a
human terrain? You're a mountain. I'm a valley and instead of war uh planners
valley and instead of war uh planners figuring out how do we use that valley
figuring out how do we use that valley to capture that mountain top because it
to capture that mountain top because it gives us a an eagle's nest, you know, to
gives us a an eagle's nest, you know, to snipe from or whatever. They say, "Okay,
snipe from or whatever. They say, "Okay, this is the second most powerful podcast
this is the second most powerful podcast in the in the world, second to Joe
in the in the world, second to Joe Rogan. How do we capture him?"
Rogan. How do we capture him?" >> [ __ ] Leave me alone, please.
>> [ __ ] Leave me alone, please. >> No, but that's what I'm trying to say.
>> No, but that's what I'm trying to say. You're human terrain.
You're human terrain. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> When the human terrain wakes up and
>> When the human terrain wakes up and says, "Wait a minute. I'm human terrain.
says, "Wait a minute. I'm human terrain. Well, my feeling is if you don't want me
Well, my feeling is if you don't want me to talk about this on a podcast, then
to talk about this on a podcast, then keep your terms separate. Nobody knew
keep your terms separate. Nobody knew the term pre-bunked malinformation. Do
the term pre-bunked malinformation. Do you know what pre-bunked malinformation
you know what pre-bunked malinformation is?
is? >> Malinformation is information we don't
>> Malinformation is information we don't want to get out.
want to get out. Technically, people try to pretend that
Technically, people try to pretend that it's information that will be
it's information that will be misinterpreted, but really it's real
misinterpreted, but really it's real stuff that is delotterious to the
stuff that is delotterious to the narratives that we're trying to push
narratives that we're trying to push forward and what we're trying to do. And
forward and what we're trying to do. And prebunked means discredited.
prebunked means discredited. So, we know what debunked. We have to
So, we know what debunked. We have to debunk disinformation. We get that. But
debunk disinformation. We get that. But you didn't know that we had to prebunk
you didn't know that we had to prebunk malinformation, which is we have to
malinformation, which is we have to destroy truth tellers.
destroy truth tellers. >> What do you think that means for people
>> What do you think that means for people like me as podcasters? you know, because
like me as podcasters? you know, because we're doing these long form
we're doing these long form conversations. I take
conversations. I take >> you'll snap back, you'll say, "That was
>> you'll snap back, you'll say, "That was a really interesting talk."
a really interesting talk." And then you'll have somebody else on
And then you'll have somebody else on who'll be talking about the importance
who'll be talking about the importance of melatonin and how we don't understand
of melatonin and how we don't understand uh the role of sleep. And you'll have
uh the role of sleep. And you'll have somebody else, you know, on who will be
somebody else, you know, on who will be talking about how do you do a uh a
talking about how do you do a uh a clothing brand from scratch uh and turn
clothing brand from scratch uh and turn it into a billion-dollar unicorn.
it into a billion-dollar unicorn. You're not going to stay here on this
You're not going to stay here on this topic.
topic. This is your time with me and it'll have
This is your time with me and it'll have some effect and it'll start to fade.
some effect and it'll start to fade. And and and that's what this is.
And and and that's what this is. I'd love to be doing my podcast.
I'd love to be doing my podcast. I just don't know how to do it safely.
I just don't know how to do it safely. I want to talk about taking our lives
I want to talk about taking our lives back from the intelligence community. I
back from the intelligence community. I want to talk about taking our lives back
want to talk about taking our lives back from Silicon Valley. Even though those
from Silicon Valley. Even though those people are my friends, I want to talk
people are my friends, I want to talk about taking my life back from the
about taking my life back from the phone,
phone, from despair, from not having a future.
from despair, from not having a future. I want to talk about having a glorious
I want to talk about having a glorious existence that is not mediated by morons
existence that is not mediated by morons who sit inside the beltway and play with
who sit inside the beltway and play with large budgets and hurt people.
large budgets and hurt people. Particularly really good people who are
Particularly really good people who are good at their job, who are trying to
good at their job, who are trying to figure out how to advance
figure out how to advance humankind, their family, the national
humankind, their family, the national interest, and get fouled.
interest, and get fouled. I I did not ask for Jeffrey Epstein to
I I did not ask for Jeffrey Epstein to fall into my life.
fall into my life. I met him once,
I met him once, but it was enough to know, "Holy cow,
but it was enough to know, "Holy cow, the Harvard math department can't be
the Harvard math department can't be what I think it is." Why was he there? I
what I think it is." Why was he there? I didn't even know. I never heard his name
didn't even know. I never heard his name when I was there.
when I was there. >> Is that where you met him in in Harvard?
>> Is that where you met him in in Harvard? >> No, no, no.
>> No, no, no. I think what very powerful people at JP
I think what very powerful people at JP JP Morgan told me I needed to meet him.
JP Morgan told me I needed to meet him. He didn't want to talk about finance.
He didn't want to talk about finance. He wanted to talk about science.
He wanted to talk about science. >> You can't do your podcast safely.
>> You can't do your podcast safely. Do you
Do you >> My employer was a special informant to
>> My employer was a special informant to the FBI.
the FBI. He's like one of my closest friends. I'm
He's like one of my closest friends. I'm not going to say who it is.
not going to say who it is. >> Your employer?
>> Your employer? >> Yeah. And one of my closest friends.
practice scope is really what I meant. But
But yeah, I I don't I want to do physics,
yeah, I I don't I want to do physics, man.
man. I'm really really good at it,
I'm really really good at it, you know.
you know. And if we have an idea that we shouldn't
And if we have an idea that we shouldn't do physics in public, I would like to
do physics in public, I would like to have a call from somebody inside.
have a call from somebody inside. Hey, Eric, we we need you to come in.
Hey, Eric, we we need you to come in. Okay, great. What's up?
Okay, great. What's up? But I didn't use your resources. cuz I
But I didn't use your resources. cuz I didn't use your grants.
didn't use your grants. Nobody ever informed me. My god, nobody
Nobody ever informed me. My god, nobody ever informed me about restricted data.
ever informed me about restricted data. How many people on earth know that
How many people on earth know that there's a doctrine that says physicists
there's a doctrine that says physicists don't have free speech?
don't have free speech? We can execute you for doing your job.
We can execute you for doing your job. It's never been tested in the courts,
It's never been tested in the courts, and I hope that the Supreme Court will
and I hope that the Supreme Court will not allow that. But, you know, if we
not allow that. But, you know, if we have a problem that is so serious in
have a problem that is so serious in theoretical physics
theoretical physics that it needs the the world's largest
that it needs the the world's largest exemption from free speech, we need to
exemption from free speech, we need to amend the Constitution. You can't just
amend the Constitution. You can't just do this as a sneak attack where you
do this as a sneak attack where you reserve the right casually to hook the
reserve the right casually to hook the 1917 Espionage Act up against the 1946
1917 Espionage Act up against the 1946 and 54 Atomic Energy Acts.
and 54 Atomic Energy Acts. I I've canvased my physics colleagues
I I've canvased my physics colleagues You know, like one of the memes against
You know, like one of the memes against me, which is very funny, is that no
me, which is very funny, is that no physicists take me seriously when I'm in
physicists take me seriously when I'm in their offices all the time.
I I just don't know what my life is. And And with this latest advent of war
And And with this latest advent of war in the Middle East,
in the Middle East, are you really going to pretend that if
are you really going to pretend that if you can Google all of these things that
you can Google all of these things that I have no idea what I'm talking about?
I'm looking to have a conversation with my own government.
my own government. I'm looking to have a conversation about
I'm looking to have a conversation about theoretical physics.
theoretical physics. And I can do it quietly, but I have
And I can do it quietly, but I have rights. And I do not believe that the
rights. And I do not believe that the 1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts are
1946 and 1954 Atomic Energy Acts are constitutional.
constitutional. Try me.
Try me. There is no restricted data. You can't
There is no restricted data. You can't do that to an American.
do that to an American. And you can't just keep mounting covert
And you can't just keep mounting covert influence campaigns. You know,
I just spent five days in the physics department. I'm not allowed to say that
department. I'm not allowed to say that it was five days in the physics
it was five days in the physics department as a visitor. I gave a talk.
department as a visitor. I gave a talk. I'm not allowed to say that I gave a
I'm not allowed to say that I gave a talk.
And I'm tired of it, you know? It's just like
if you're managing the Middle East this badly, if you're managing physics this
badly, if you're managing physics this badly, if you're managing the national
badly, if you're managing the national economy this badly, if you screwed up
economy this badly, if you screwed up COVID this badly by getting inside of
COVID this badly by getting inside of the Lancet and nature,
the Lancet and nature, you know, peer review is this fake thing
you know, peer review is this fake thing that supposedly stretches back to the
that supposedly stretches back to the founding of the Royal Society. And it's
founding of the Royal Society. And it's very clear from the scholarship around
very clear from the scholarship around it that it comes out of n period between
it that it comes out of n period between 1965 and 1975 initiated by the Medicare
1965 and 1975 initiated by the Medicare act predicated on the need for uh
act predicated on the need for uh editors for the journal expansion
editors for the journal expansion founded by Pergamont Press and Robert
founded by Pergamont Press and Robert Maxwell. By 1975,
Maxwell. By 1975, there's a giant battle between the NSF
there's a giant battle between the NSF and both fiscal and cultural
and both fiscal and cultural conservatives
conservatives against something called man a course of
against something called man a course of study or makos where peerreview
study or makos where peerreview was born in a Utah clinic. Uh came out
was born in a Utah clinic. Uh came out of the medical literature because the
of the medical literature because the federal government in 1965 with the
federal government in 1965 with the Medicare act picked up the need to pay
Medicare act picked up the need to pay for so many medical procedures. They
for so many medical procedures. They wanted to say why are we assigning this
wanted to say why are we assigning this many medical procedures? The doctors
many medical procedures? The doctors circled the wagons and said we will
circled the wagons and said we will peerreview each other. Then in by 1975
peerreview each other. Then in by 1975 the NSF was under the um microscope and
the NSF was under the um microscope and they used peer review as a self-defense
they used peer review as a self-defense of of last resort to say we will be
of of last resort to say we will be reviewing each other. Right? Peer review
reviewing each other. Right? Peer review is a myth.
The scholarship is clear as day. I I can't keep going on the world's
I I can't keep going on the world's largest podcasts saying everything that
largest podcasts saying everything that can be googled and figured out and just
can be googled and figured out and just constantly have as my reward that the
constantly have as my reward that the government refuses to have a
government refuses to have a conversation with me and sends its its
conversation with me and sends its its gaggle of uh of idiots to harass me.
gaggle of uh of idiots to harass me. >> You think it's doing that? It's sending
>> You think it's doing that? It's sending a gaggle of
a gaggle of >> Yes, I do. I do think I think that some
>> Yes, I do. I do think I think that some of them are actual idiots who just enjoy
of them are actual idiots who just enjoy having causing problems. But I think
having causing problems. But I think more than anything, we have a real
more than anything, we have a real problem. Science is too powerful.
problem. Science is too powerful. The real, if you wanted to just cut to
The real, if you wanted to just cut to the ultimate core of this.
the ultimate core of this. If four amino acids can shut down planet
If four amino acids can shut down planet Earth.
Earth. If, what is it, a nine-page paper
If, what is it, a nine-page paper solving the double spend problem can
solving the double spend problem can create a new currency not backed by
create a new currency not backed by violence, but backed by mathematics.
If the concept of an inner product in a large vector space
large vector space generates something you can't tell isn't
generates something you can't tell isn't a human being
a human being in 2017.
in 2017. Do you have any idea what the power of
Do you have any idea what the power of the human mind is at this point? Linear
the human mind is at this point? Linear algebra
algebra can create something that you would fall
can create something that you would fall in love with.
in love with. It can create the most beautiful music
It can create the most beautiful music you can imagine, or it can animate a
you can imagine, or it can animate a photo of a dead relative so that you can
photo of a dead relative so that you can actually have the experience of having
actually have the experience of having some video of you with a great
some video of you with a great grandparent you can't even remember.
grandparent you can't even remember. Science is the most amazing, powerful,
Science is the most amazing, powerful, crazy stuff possible. And we spend a
crazy stuff possible. And we spend a fortune trying to convince people that
fortune trying to convince people that scientists are worthless, that
scientists are worthless, that scientists are incapable.
scientists are incapable. And in large measure, they've convinced
And in large measure, they've convinced the scientists themselves, my my
the scientists themselves, my my colleagues, the supposed physicists
colleagues, the supposed physicists will spend their entire lives pretending
will spend their entire lives pretending to do physics and retire without ever
to do physics and retire without ever having actually done any. I was in this
having actually done any. I was in this physics department I was just in. It's
physics department I was just in. It's been a long time since I since I've
been a long time since I since I've spent that long as a visitor.
spent that long as a visitor. The top people in this physics
The top people in this physics department
department professed that they had no interest in
professed that they had no interest in the physical world.
the physical world. that they only cared about the
that they only cared about the mathematics that they were doing. And I
mathematics that they were doing. And I just thought, you're in a theoretical
just thought, you're in a theoretical physics
physics group
group and you profess openly that you have no
and you profess openly that you have no interest whatsoever in the physical
interest whatsoever in the physical world. Well done. I don't know who you
world. Well done. I don't know who you were. I don't know how you did it, but
were. I don't know how you did it, but it took you four decades to get the
it took you four decades to get the physicists to stop caring about the phys
physicists to stop caring about the phys physical world.
physical world. Somehow what we did
Somehow what we did is we stopped the world's most powerful
is we stopped the world's most powerful and the world's most important group
and the world's most important group from making progress. And why Elon Musk
from making progress. And why Elon Musk is not out here
is not out here saving this by just throwing a few
saving this by just throwing a few billion at it. You know, Elon, if you're
billion at it. You know, Elon, if you're out there, it's at Astra. Yes or no?
out there, it's at Astra. Yes or no? Mars is a stop gap message. Do you want
Mars is a stop gap message. Do you want to go to the stars? Is there something
to go to the stars? Is there something we don't know? To the Department of
we don't know? To the Department of Energy. Do you want to have
Energy. Do you want to have conversations?
conversations? Is there anyone at all out here? That's
Is there anyone at all out here? That's my question. That's why I do the
my question. That's why I do the podcasts. And it's, by the way, I'm
podcasts. And it's, by the way, I'm repeating myself. I've said this before.
repeating myself. I've said this before. Send lawyers, guns, and money. There's
Send lawyers, guns, and money. There's no one out here.
But I will say this, if we could get out of here,
of here, you know, in terms of transcendence, in
you know, in terms of transcendence, in terms of things that are really
terms of things that are really exciting, there's nothing that I had
exciting, there's nothing that I had greater pleasure at as a father than
greater pleasure at as a father than taking my children for meteor showers.
taking my children for meteor showers. We take the dog, go to a secret location
We take the dog, go to a secret location outside of Los Angeles that's quite
outside of Los Angeles that's quite dark. We just lie under the sky and
dark. We just lie under the sky and watch for hours, you know, and look up
watch for hours, you know, and look up at the heavens and think, "My god,
at the heavens and think, "My god, that's a destination. That's some place
that's a destination. That's some place I could go."
I could go." I don't think that there's a more
I don't think that there's a more inspiring thing than to figure out the
inspiring thing than to figure out the infinity of space. all of these galaxies
infinity of space. all of these galaxies and the deep field photographs of these
and the deep field photographs of these space telescopes
space telescopes filled with worlds and we're stuck here.
filled with worlds and we're stuck here. It's like it's enough already. Time to
It's like it's enough already. Time to go. Let's have some fun. That's that's
go. Let's have some fun. That's that's really what I'm excited about.
Been great. Great to be here. >> Thank you for being here. Super
>> Thank you for being here. Super fascinating and it spun my brain in
fascinating and it spun my brain in several different directions at the same
several different directions at the same time.
I want to I want to bring it um back to the person who's who's got to the end of
the person who's who's got to the end of this conversation and they're sat at
this conversation and they're sat at home in their box of shorts, maybe
home in their box of shorts, maybe listening on their iPhone as they fall
listening on their iPhone as they fall asleep, wherever they are in the world
asleep, wherever they are in the world or on a train or plane or whatever, and
or on a train or plane or whatever, and allow you to offer them some kind of
allow you to offer them some kind of closing message that might make their
closing message that might make their life better in some way. It's a broad
life better in some way. It's a broad brief, but I think it's the most
brief, but I think it's the most important brief, which is, you know, can
important brief, which is, you know, can having heard everything we've talked
having heard everything we've talked about today.
about today. What advice would you give the listener,
What advice would you give the listener, an actionable piece of advice so that
an actionable piece of advice so that they could live a subjectively better
they could live a subjectively better life?
The songs of Tom Ler are pretty terrific, as are the operetas of Gilbert
terrific, as are the operetas of Gilbert and Sullivan. You might want to explore
and Sullivan. You might want to explore the Azors as well as the Indonesian
the Azors as well as the Indonesian archipelago. Indonesian is one of the
archipelago. Indonesian is one of the easiest languages to learn because it's
easiest languages to learn because it's been denuted of most of the complexity
been denuted of most of the complexity that screw up people who have a hard
that screw up people who have a hard time learning other languages. Buy a
time learning other languages. Buy a poster of tropical fruit and make sure
poster of tropical fruit and make sure that you visit every single one on that
that you visit every single one on that poster before it's time for lights out.
poster before it's time for lights out. Consider box B minor mass and the cello
Consider box B minor mass and the cello suites particularly by Pablo Casal and
suites particularly by Pablo Casal and take a serious listen to Eva Cassidy
take a serious listen to Eva Cassidy uh singing Stormy Monday in an album
uh singing Stormy Monday in an album called Live from Blues Alley to see if
called Live from Blues Alley to see if uh you really know how to feel things. I
uh you really know how to feel things. I think Professor Longair's Big Chief is
think Professor Longair's Big Chief is one of the most brilliant pieces of
one of the most brilliant pieces of piano music. It's absolutely inspiring.
piano music. It's absolutely inspiring. And if you really like that, James Carol
And if you really like that, James Carol Booker III has an album called The
Booker III has an album called The Resurrection of the Bayou Maharaja.
Resurrection of the Bayou Maharaja. Seriously, think about visiting the
Seriously, think about visiting the island of St. Helena in the South
island of St. Helena in the South Atlantic.
Atlantic. Take a look at Kurt Jiongal's channel.
Take a look at Kurt Jiongal's channel. He's doing amazing stuff being done by
He's doing amazing stuff being done by no one else on Earth. I think that Chris
no one else on Earth. I think that Chris Buck is really amazing. And if you think
Buck is really amazing. And if you think that Crossroads is good, have a listen
that Crossroads is good, have a listen to his version of Miss You by the
to his version of Miss You by the Rolling Stones. an incredible groove and
Rolling Stones. an incredible groove and I didn't really appreciate it the first
I didn't really appreciate it the first time I heard it. I think that the people
time I heard it. I think that the people making Spark amps at Positive Grid and
making Spark amps at Positive Grid and the my friends at Neural DSP
the my friends at Neural DSP uh with the Quad Cortex will blow your
uh with the Quad Cortex will blow your mind with how much great audio equipment
mind with how much great audio equipment you can make. You can get a good
you can make. You can get a good electric guitar for a few hundred bucks
electric guitar for a few hundred bucks thanks to advances in China. put it into
thanks to advances in China. put it into an open tuning and buy yourself a slide
an open tuning and buy yourself a slide or just slide a glass along it and
or just slide a glass along it and you'll be able to play most songs that
you'll be able to play most songs that you'd care about within a minute or two,
you'd care about within a minute or two, maybe three, because you only need three
maybe three, because you only need three chords.
chords. Get married. It may not work out. It may
Get married. It may not work out. It may be miserable. Have some kids. There's
be miserable. Have some kids. There's nothing else great to do on this planet.
nothing else great to do on this planet. At least give it a try. And if your
At least give it a try. And if your parents won't pressure you to do it, I'm
parents won't pressure you to do it, I'm happy to do it.
happy to do it. Try to keep this thing going.
Try to keep this thing going. Try to keep this thing going. Try to
Try to keep this thing going. Try to dream big about legacy. Don't feel
dream big about legacy. Don't feel embarrassed about wanting to conquer the
embarrassed about wanting to conquer the world or leave a permanent stain. Get
world or leave a permanent stain. Get out of this moment where everybody's
out of this moment where everybody's worried about narcissism and drama.
worried about narcissism and drama. Listen for meteor showers. They're
Listen for meteor showers. They're announced regularly. Nobody actually
announced regularly. Nobody actually does anything about them. And it's worth
does anything about them. And it's worth inconveniencing yourself with people you
inconveniencing yourself with people you love and take the dog.
love and take the dog. really seriously think about you whether
really seriously think about you whether you want to pile on when you see what is
you want to pile on when you see what is almost certainly a federal or other
almost certainly a federal or other campaign targeting people who are
campaign targeting people who are standing up for you. Whether they're
standing up for you. Whether they're trying to figure out where COVID came
trying to figure out where COVID came from, trying to figure out who was
from, trying to figure out who was behind Jeffrey Epstein, recognize that
behind Jeffrey Epstein, recognize that almost everything you've been taught to
almost everything you've been taught to do in terms of hating Israel as part of
do in terms of hating Israel as part of somebody's campaign out ofQatar. The
somebody's campaign out ofQatar. The situation in Gaza is incredibly dire.
situation in Gaza is incredibly dire. Don't stop caring about the people who
Don't stop caring about the people who are living under that. Recognize that
are living under that. Recognize that the Persians are not the Mullers. Get
the Persians are not the Mullers. Get involved.
involved. Wish your wish your country's leadership
Wish your wish your country's leadership well. Even if you didn't vote for them
well. Even if you didn't vote for them and you think that they're horrible
and you think that they're horrible people, they've got very hard work to
people, they've got very hard work to do. Be good to each other. Try. It's a
do. Be good to each other. Try. It's a grand adventure.
grand adventure. And um make sure you have some fun
And um make sure you have some fun before it lights out.
before it lights out. That's it.
That's it. We have a closing tradition where the
We have a closing tradition where the last guest leaves a question for the
last guest leaves a question for the next guest, not knowing who they're
next guest, not knowing who they're leaving it for. And the question that
leaving it for. And the question that was left for you
I love this question. What is the problem that you are doing the most
problem that you are doing the most mental gymnastics to avoid?
No, I know the answer. It's not appropriate for your audience.
One of the things about being in the hot seat on podcasts
seat on podcasts is that it is not right to force anyone
is that it is not right to force anyone to respond to a question. I know how to
to respond to a question. I know how to falsify an answer to that and I'm not
falsify an answer to that and I'm not going to do that and I'm not going to
going to do that and I'm not going to share the answer to that question
share the answer to that question because it's not appropriate. But it's a
because it's not appropriate. But it's a great question. Feel free to leave it
great question. Feel free to leave it for someone else. This doesn't seem
for someone else. This doesn't seem fair. Whoever you were, thank you for
fair. Whoever you were, thank you for the question. Obviously, my reaction was
the question. Obviously, my reaction was just tremendous curiosity, which would
just tremendous curiosity, which would be a natural reaction to what you just
be a natural reaction to what you just said.
said. >> Thank you for a great interview.
>> Thank you for a great interview. >> Thank you so much for being here. I
>> Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate you. No, it's so
really appreciate you. No, it's so unbelievably fascinating and uh you've
unbelievably fascinating and uh you've given me so much. Unfortunately, you've
given me so much. Unfortunately, you've given me a lot of answers, but you've
given me a lot of answers, but you've given me even more questions and maybe
given me even more questions and maybe that's the product of a good
that's the product of a good >> You live in LA.
>> You live in LA. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> we'll do it again.
>> we'll do it again. >> Thank you so much for your time. I
>> Thank you so much for your time. I really appreciate you.
really appreciate you. >> We appreciate you.
>> We appreciate you. >> Thank you. Thanks.
>> Thank you. Thanks. We launched these conversation cards and
We launched these conversation cards and they sold out. And we launched them
they sold out. And we launched them again and they sold out again. We
again and they sold out again. We launched them again and they sold out
launched them again and they sold out again because people love playing these
again because people love playing these with colleagues at work, with friends at
with colleagues at work, with friends at home, and also with family. And we've
home, and also with family. And we've also got a big audience that use them as
also got a big audience that use them as journal prompts. Every single time a
journal prompts. Every single time a guest comes on the diary of a CEO, they
guest comes on the diary of a CEO, they leave a question for the next guest in
leave a question for the next guest in the diary. And I've sat here with some
the diary. And I've sat here with some of the most incredible people in the
of the most incredible people in the world. And they've left all of these
world. And they've left all of these questions in the diary. And I've ranked
questions in the diary. And I've ranked them from one to three in terms of the
them from one to three in terms of the depth. one being a starter question. And
depth. one being a starter question. And level three, if you look on the back
level three, if you look on the back here, this is a level three, becomes a
here, this is a level three, becomes a much deeper question that builds even
much deeper question that builds even more connection. If you turn the cards
more connection. If you turn the cards over and you scan that QR code, you can
over and you scan that QR code, you can see who answered the card and watch the
see who answered the card and watch the video of them answering it in real time.
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