This content is an interview with Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin, highlighting his distinguished military career, his deep Christian faith, and his advocacy for traditional values, particularly concerning fatherhood, national service, and support for Israel.
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Welcome to Culture and Christianity. You
know, we're told heroes are out of
style. I don't believe that. I think we
need a generation of heroes. And I'm not
willing to accept what Hollywood is
generating. I don't think real heroes
wear spandex and have superhuman
characteristics. We don't need cartoon
characters. We need real people. Well,
Lieutenant General Jerry Boyin is an
American hero. He served our nation for
decades. a founding member of Delta
Force. He led Delta Force. A man with
real faith. He has a message. It's
important for men and for young men.
Veterans Day is this weekend. We have
heroes amongst us. We need to recognize
it, celebrate them, and be grateful for
the sacrifices they have made so you and
I know liberty and freedom. I believe
you know, we're going to talk a bit
about your career and what you've done,
but I I think the the foundation for
that, you came from a family of real
faith. I know your mother was a godly
praying woman.
>> Uh my mother u was the granddaughter of
the people who established the
Pentecostal Holiness Church.
So I came from a long line of people
uh of faith and my mother was a saint
and uh she was an intercessor and I
would say to you that intercessors are
the best warriors in God's kingdom
because they put it all on the line. But
yes, and she raised me up to
to honor the Lord, but also to honor Israel.
Israel.
And she made it very clear to me as I
was growing up that they are just God's
chosen people. And we must stand with
them or we will pay a price. So that's
why I'm so disturbed about what I see
with this anti-semitism.
>> Absolutely. And I mean you've I've heard
you share a variety of ways that she
would pray and intercede for you at
different points when you were
qualifying for Delta and some of those
places. So some of you who think you're
all you can do is pray. That's a misunderstanding.
misunderstanding.
In most cases, the most valuable thing
we can do is pray.
>> Yes. But am I right? We didn't when you
were doing crazy. when I had I got a
call asking me to come and try out for
this new unit which turned out to be the
Delta Force and uh and they said and we
need your answer in one hour. So I did
what every Christian man does when he's
confronted with a dilemma and I call my mother
and and I told her what was I said I
don't know if this is where the Lord
wants me or not but uh they tell me this
is going to be the toughest thing I've
ever done and and they tell me you
better be in the best physical condition
you've ever been in. And I said mom you
need to be praying for me. She said,
"I'm going to pray for you right now."
And she started praying. And and I mean,
when my mother prayed, she shook the
gates of heaven. I'm telling you. And I
got family right here, and they will
tell you the same thing. But uh 36 and
a2 years I was in the army. Every day
that I was in the army, my mother prayed
for me. and she prayed Psalm 91 over me
every day.
>> There's, if I remember correctly, that
Delta trial, there was another component
of that. You had to make some crazy hike.
hike.
And then there was a psychologist
that had an opinion about your fitness.
>> Yeah. It may not be the most
God-honoring part of the morning, but
it's memorable.
Well, the trial was a 30-day trial up in
the mountains of North Carolina and
going long distances carrying heavy
loads. And uh the last day we went 40
miles and we started with 118 people and
we finished with 19. And the last day
was 40 miles through the mountains with
a big heavy ring, snowing. And uh I came
in first and I had been
Yeah. But I was trust me when I tell you
I couldn't do that. I could not do that
on my own. I was praying and asking the
Lord to give me what I needed if it was
his will that I should be part of this.
Give me what I need and help me through
this. And that's exactly what he did. He
gave me what I needed. But uh they
brought us back to Fort Bragg out of
those mountains and a psychologist came
in and gave us all uh a battery of test
and everything and this this one
psychologist uh took us all into a room
and each one of us individually he would
uh he would talk to us and well when he
brought me in I sat down and he said he
he was very unpleasant. Let me just say
that. And I said, he said, "Uh,
uh, Captain Boyin, I'm going to
recommend against you being part of this
Delta Force." And I said, "Why?" And he
said, "Because you rely too much on your
faith, and you just won't fit in here."
And I thought, "And you rely on your
nose to breathe. And I think I'm going
Now, pastor, I'm more sanctified now. Okay?
Okay?
I'm more sanctified.
>> But in spite of all that, they took me.
They took me in spite of that because
I've been very open about my faith. I
didn't feel like I was compelled to hide
my faith, particularly when I was asking
the Lord to help me to get through this
if that's where he wanted me to be. So,
and but you know sometimes
when we compromise on our faith,
when we say we're a Christian and we
compromise and people see us
compromising, you don't realize the
damage that we do. It's not we can
repent and be forgiven for it, but how
about those people that see us compromising?
compromising?
That's we cannot do that. We can't do
it. But there are so many Christians
that are doing exactly the same thing.
It's all We're all sinners. That's not
the point. We're all sinners, but we
can't compromise our faith. And because
the people that are hurt the most are
the people that see us do that.
I think that's such an important point
because it's become fashionable to
diminish your faith, to turn it up more
brightly in some settings and to turn it
down in other settings.
And you know the the the marriage
covenant you have. If you had that
attitude towards your marriage that in
some settings I can be less married and
in some settings I'm more married, we
would all understand that your character
was broken. Well, the covenant you have
with God is more significant than your
marriage covenant.
And I'm not diminishing marriage.
I'm telling you we have bought into
something that is fundamentally
deceptive and wrong and from the pit of hell.
hell.
We're either Christ followers 24/7
wherever we go or you're not one. >> Yeah.
And I you're the Lord blessed you in
spite of that. You ended up you you not
only were the one of the founding
participants in Delta, eventually you
led Delta. Is that right?
>> I did. I uh when I reached a uh rank of
colonel, I became the uh unit commander
and I I commanded Delta Force for a
>> Did you get to reassign that psychologist?
psychologist?
Oh, I got to tell you
that psychologist, I'm sure he's read my
book or seen me somewhere talking about
this and
he does not show up at the reunions or
anything. He's not there.
When you retired from the military, you
accepted an assignment with the Family
Research Council. In fact, you're the
executive vice president.
>> Can you tell us a little bit about what
that does, what that organization does? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
uh Family Research Council was actually
created by Dr. Dobson
uh about 45 years ago. Uh and he wanted
a an organization in Washington that
could lobby Congress for public policy
that uh supported faith, family, and
freedom. Now we've expanded well beyond
that now but uh we have a uh we have a
network of uh pastors in the country
that when something is happening in a
certain area we can rally these pastors
to get involved and get engaged in
what's going on. uh and we do uh media
that covers the entire United States to
try and get things out to the public
that are important to us as Christians
that are important to everybody. And one
of the things, as I said last night,
that we're working right now is to try
to get rid of these abortacants, which
are the pills that that are used for
abortion. And 62%
of the abortions today are done with
these pills. And we're trying to get
them off the market and make them ban
them and don't let them kill any more babies.
The number of abortions has not
significantly decreased since Roie Wade
was overturned.
So it exposed what we knew all along.
This wasn't primarily a legal issue.
It's a heart issue. We have to have a
heart change. 60 million children, more
than 60 million children have been
sacrificed on the altars of comfort and
convenience. That very much is a
biblical issue. It is not a political
issue. And the cowardice of the church
on this issue over decades
is one of the greatest stains on the
American church in our history. It makes
our attitude towards slavery when we
were accepting of that seem poulry
based on numbers of people involved.
Not excusing one. I'm not trying to but
I'm telling you we have to have a voice
on this and we have hidden for too long.
So thank you for what you're doing.
You spent your professional life leading
young men and women but overwhelmingly
young men. So, I I would love to to
borrow a bit of that experience. If you
had a message for fathers that have sons
still at home, what would you say to
them today? There's a lot of voices
competing for how they should think and
what they should do and how they should
help shape those young lives. What would
you say to those fathers?
What I would say to you is first of all,
set the example.
Set the example for your son. He's got
to know what a man is supposed to do.
And I got to tell you, in our society
today, Adam, I know it's no surprise to
you, but men don't even know what men
are supposed to do in many ways because
they have been beaten down. They've been
told that they're no different from a
woman. And and uh and that's simply not
true. And it's not just their plumbing.
I mean, the men come out of the womb
meant to be warriors. Warriors. You
understand what I'm saying? Warriors.
Men come out of the womb meant to be warriors,
warriors,
but they're in many cases they are
conditioned to be just the opposite from
that. But I would say men, set the
example for your son. Let them see you
pray. Let them understand how important
it is for your children to see you pray.
And look, you're going to make at times
bad judgments. you're going to make,
I will say, mistakes, but be careful
when you talk to somebody about a
mistake. When some guy says, "Well, yes,
I slept with this woman even though I'm
married and my uh it was a big mistake."
No, it was not a big mistake.
It was a choice.
It was a choice. Don't let them off the
hook because the next thing they'll say
is, "And everybody makes mistakes, but
everybody doesn't make the choices that
you've made." And I was
also I would say to to men
that uh spend time with your son. Spend
time with your son. I used to take my
sons up on the Appalachin Trail and and
we would mark we would walk for days up
there and it was a time you you you
can't believe how just being with them
in a in a setting where there's no distractions
distractions
really bonds you with your son and uh
they've got to see you pray. They got to
know you're living your faith and you
need to spend time with them. And that's
one of the things that you can't get
back. If if you don't spend time with
them, you're not gonna get that time back.
You know, you don't have to look far to
see that our economy is in real turmoil.
Our nation is $37 trillion in debt.
Inflation rates made it hard to buy and
sell a house, even a car. We're all
feeling it. When you go to the grocery
store and you spend an extra dollar or
two on every item, that gets personal in
a hurry. Well, the most important thing
we can do during uncertain times is to
invest ourselves in knowing God better.
Read his word, pray. That's the only
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You know, I would agree 100% with what
he said, but don't think of it in terms
of special events that twice a year you
go hike the Appalachian Trail or
whatever. Once a week at the kitchen
table with your family, let your sons
see that you value that family enough
that you'll change your schedule and
expect them to change their schedule and
that no knuckle-headed set of coaches
are going to take that away from you.
Whatever that takes once a week as a
family at a table. This is doable. It'll
take the whole family to make it happen.
And the first few times it'll make you
sore like working out when you haven't
been lazy for a season.
But it's worth the discomfort to get to
a better place.
Let me just add one thing to that and I
should have said this.
The other thing which is
very very important is
let your sons see how you treat their mother.
If you want them to be a good husband as
well as a good father,
let them see you treat their mother with honor
and it will have an impact on them. my
sons now. And I I'm I was conscious of
that and I tried to do that. I would
never walk through a door before my
wife. I would always open the doors for
her. Those small things that people
think are
antiquated now are still valuable if
you're trying to set us set the stage
for your son to be a good husband and father.
you gave the the strength of your youth
to defending and serving this country
which hasn't been a particularly chic
thing to do for a while.
Uh and I think you know in the the
diminishment of our attitude towards the
military is connected in my mind at
least to the diminishment of the respect
we have for law enforcement and for
first responders.
Um, you can speak to this from
experience. Do you regret it? Has it
been a good thing for you? What would
you say to the young men that are
looking at their futures and the
families that are looking for the
futures? You see, parents, we have to
value those things for our kids to value
them. But do you think you made a
I deliberately didn't say anything about Marines.
Marines.
I can't believe he did that. Let me I'm
going to tell you something now. You
You know what the uh
mascot of the army is?
What is it? It's a mule. Watch the Army
Navy game. It's a mule. Well, you know
the Marine Corps is part of the Navy, right?
right?
So when the founding fathers were
developing the plan,
the army got the mule
and the navy got the marine corps. Now why
why
why is that? Because the army had first choice.
I got the the first time the general
came here, we were downstairs and we we
got on the elevator and a couple other
men got on and they were all military
and I I didn't grow up in the military.
I didn't serve so I don't understand a
lot of things and I didn't understand
there might be a little banter between
and it was the the general and two
former or two Marines. Marines never
retire. I I apologize.
And we got on the elevator and that door
closed and they started in on one another.
another.
And all I could think was, God, if
you'll get me off this elevator, I'll
never do anything this foolish again.
>> But I Larry brought that up when he
picked me up at the airport the other
day. And he said the pastor thought we
were really going after each other.
He just doesn't understand that. But
but no, I don't think
if I had it to do over again, I'd go
back in the military. I'd go back in I'd
go back into the US Army and uh and I'd
spend another 36 years. I I don't regret
I've talked to a lot of people that have
said, "Well, I wish I'd stayed in or I
wish I had been in the army or been in
the military."
I've never heard anybody say, "I regret
the time that I spent in the military."
You will never regret it. And let me
tell you, if you've got a son or a
daughter, either one, that aren't sure
what they want to do with their lives,
there's a good way to get them on the
right track. And we're getting back to
being a real army. We're getting back to having
having
We are now focusing on getting ready to
win the nation's wars. And Douglas
MacArthur stood in the West Point Mess
Hall, that's the dining facility,
and in 1962, and he looked down at the
cadetses there, and he said, "Your
mission remains fixed, determined, and
viable. It is to win the nation's wars."
That has not changed. But when we got
into this cycle of all this woke nonsense,
nonsense,
there was no focus on winning wars.
That mission has not changed.
But when we were more in concerned about
somebody knowing the proper pronouns
being able to hit the target down range,
that was not preparing for war. And if
we had been called up then,
it could have been an ugly situation.
But now, as soon as we had a new
president, the recruiting went off the
And and we, you know, we have to
recognize that that's what our military
is for. So, I have no regrets
whatsoever. And trust me when I tell
you, my body is so beat up right now
from that. I've been shot I've been shot
once. I've been hit with a mortar once.
I've uh had a parachute fail. And uh and
I, believe it or not, I went through this.
this.
You know what pre-fall parachuting is?
It's different than static line. a
static line, the plane pulls your and
you're only 1,200 ft up. But when you go
into a freef fall, you go up very high.
I've been as high as in over in Europe,
I've been as high as uh 24,000 ft. And
we jump out and you fly for a little
ways till you get stable and then you
pull and then you just fly the canopy.
So I had never had any training when I
started doing that.
and I told the people last night, I have
a fear of heights. I honestly have a
fear of heights. That's no joke. So,
I uh I said to the guys one day, I said, "Hey,
"Hey,
I can do that. I I'm watching you. I'm
watching what you do. I can do that.
Let's take me up. I I want to do that."
And they took me up and this was one of
these it was a CIA airplane and it you
had to climb out on the strut. I mean
climb out on the strut and I so I climb
out on that strut and it dawns on me
what are you doing
and I thought Lord if you will get me
through this I'll never be this stupid again.
And I and I jump.
So, I had I did three jumps with no training.
training.
And then on the fourth jump, I got out
and my my air I mean my uh parachute
malfunctioned. The automatic opening
device opened at the same time my can I
pulled my canopy and the two of them
just kind of ate each other like this.
It's it's the worst entanglement you can
have. And I'm sailing through the air
knowing that I'm I'm going to be killed.
And I just said, "Lord, don't let me die."
die."
And the Holy Spirit said to me,
"Greater is he that is in you
>> than he that is in the world."
And I went I went into the trees, some
80ft pine trees, and one of those pine
trees snagged
and I went all the way to the end of the
ropes and I hit my knee on a stump and I
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You know, obviously the Lord blessed
you, spared your life, gave you some
remarkable success, but I also know you
had to overcome some things. I mean,
disappointments, every every mission
didn't work out the way you wanted, >> right?
>> right?
>> Heartbreak because sometimes when we
tell our God stories, it's like we skip
from mountain to mountain. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And my journey doesn't always feel that
way, and I know your has yours hasn't.
Um, you're one of the you're uh that's a
miracle with your parachute, but you're
one of the few survivors of a 50 caliber round.
round.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> I mean, that's not a bullet. That's like
a little missile you launch out of a gun.
gun.
>> I got shot
uh coming in on a target in Grenada back
in 1983.
We were coming up onto the a prison
called Richmond Hill Prison and and uh
we were going to hit the prison and get
the political prisoners out of there and
put them back in the offices where they
had been appointed or elected. And uh we
came up on a target and as we started
settling in with Blackhawks, first time
we'd ever had Blackhawks. And we started
coming in and all of a sudden the skies
erupted. And I'm telling you, the uh red
tracers and green tracers just and all I
could hear them hitting on the in the
rotor wing, I mean, in the rotor blades.
And uh I knew there there was a good
chance that somebody was going to get
hit. Well, and and you know, we we're
firing back at them. You know, we're
doing all we can to knock these guns
down. They had these 50 caliber
anti-aircraft guns and and uh
I'm I'm, you know, trying to whack them
and they're trying to whack me and all
of a sudden, boom, boom. And I knew I'd
been hit and I got hit. came right up,
knocked a big chunk out of my side, but
it went up into my armpit. I was
bleeding profusely. And
And um
um
I said, "Well, go around. Let's go
around. Go around." And I'm I'm sitting
there rocking back and forth. I said,
"Go around. Do it again."
And my sergeant major reached over and
took my morphine and hit me right in the
leg. And all of a sudden I was saying,
"Come on, get on the ground. We going to
kill him." You know,
let me tell you, that was the most
euphoric feeling I've ever had. And when
I speak to I speak to people in prison,
I say the difference between me and you
is I made one decision and you made
another one. When I got that, I said, "I
will never let anybody put that in my
body again because it's so euphoric. I
know I could get addicted to this." and
uh and you made the different decision,
but uh I was bleeding bad and they took
me and and and dropped me off on a
little a little Navy ship there which
had a little iPad I mean iPad. It had a helilopad
helilopad
and I could hear them talking as they
were saying, "We've got a casualty that
is expectant."
That means they expect me to die, which
means get in there as quickly as possible.
possible.
So, I'm bleeding really bad and they
can't stop the blood because it was in
my armpit and of course in my side and
they couldn't stop it. So
all of a sudden I hear this I'm I'm
semi-conscious and I hear this
helicopter coming in and it was a Marine Corps.
Corps.
I'm Army. It this was a Marine Corps
uh helicopter that came in a CH53.
It came in landed on a deck and they
start walking me out
on a stretcher. They got me on a
stretcher and I'm saying,
"Lord, have you abandoned me?
Have you abandoned me, God?" And I was
serious. Lord, where are you? Have you
abandoned me? Do you not care anymore?
And as I was walking out,
I looked and through my blurry eyes and
the the pilot was hanging out the window
giving me a thumbs up.
And I couldn't I was my eyes wouldn't
focus and I didn't know I didn't at
first I didn't understand what was going
on. And finally my eyes cleared and I
looked up and the guy flying that helicopter
helicopter
was a guy I grew up with. He was a
Marine and I was in the army. He had no
idea who he was going to pick up. And
only three weeks before we had had our
families together on vacation,
a wonderful Christian man. And I just
said, "Lord,
I know you hadn't abandoned me." And the
Lord was saying to me, "Not only did I
not abandon you, I sent your brother to
Isn't that the time you had a bit of a
debate with the surgeon?
>> Yeah. I uh
I woke up when I got back to Fort Bragg,
they operated on me on a carrier or put
me on a carrier and operated and then
they took me back to Fort Bragg and
right into the surg surgery there. And
when uh when I came out of surgery, it was
was
I woke up in the
recovery room. Is that right?
Is that the way? Okay. I said delivery
So I woke up in the recovery room and
this team of doctors said,
"Sir, you have a very serious injury."
And I thought,
"And do you think I don't know that?"
And they and they wanted to take my arm off.
off.
They wanted to take my arm
and I said, "No, you just do the best
you can because I have been talking to
God." And he told me, "If I will trust him,
him,
he will heal me."
And there's there's the arm they wanted
And for you golfers,
this hand, this arm is about a quarter
of an inch shorter
than the other one.
It will clear your slice up be better
There's some orthopedic surgeon putting
a new advertisement out tomorrow that's
listening to this.
Well, I thought of you with the Israeli hostages
hostages
because I know you were involved in the
rescue attempt for our hostages that
were in Iran. And I read where it was
one of the more disappointing,
but I it's a part of the story. I mean,
the Lord blessed your life and has
established you, but everything didn't
work the way you wanted it because that
day didn't.
And I've heard you tell some of those
takeaways. I mean, I
>> I've been celebrating all week those
Israeli men and women that walked out.
It seemed impossible to me. But you went
to get our hostages in Iran.
>> You talk about Iran.
>> Yeah. 1980, we went into Iran to rescue
52 Americans that were being held by
followers of the Ayatollah Kmeni. and
and we got about 100 miles from Tehran
and we landed in C130s and we brought in
RH53 helicopters off the USS Nemits and
tucked them in behind the C130s and we
pulled the hoses out and started
refueling the helicopters so we could go
in on to the next leg into the embassy
and get our hostages. And all of a
sudden, one of the uh one of the
helicopters lifted off in the sand. This
was right out in the middle of the
desert and the sand just blew up and the
and and it was uh I mean the pilot
couldn't see. He went vertico. He lost
his equilibrium
and he came back and landed right on top
of the uh
of the uh C130
and it burst into flames. I was outside.
I was about
really probably from here to that screen
from it and when it exploded I turned
and I felt the heat and I uh I had no
idea what happened. I thought they had
fired mortars or something at us and and
I I looked back and and I realized that
45 of the Delta Force men that had
prayed before we launched were stuck
inside that burning wreckage. And I
didn't I didn't know what to do. So I
did what I always do. Since I couldn't
I uh I just started praying. I went I
reached out to my source.
I prayed a 10-second prayer. I said,
"Father, these men trusted you. I'm
asking you to bring them out alive.
Lord, spare them in Jesus' name. I'm
in." 10-second prayer. No.
No.
the sar Sadducees and the Pharisees,
they prayed these longer,
you know, prayers,
but they weren't praying to God. They
were praying to the people around them.
And I will tell you that I get very
suspect to people that pray these long
prayers and start quoting scripture and
all that. You think God doesn't know
think about it. But um I guess it was
one of those turning points in your life
where you realize just how fragile life
is and you realize that at any moment it
could end. And for me, it made me much
more aware
because those 45 men jumped out of that
helicopter. I mean, out of that aircraft,
aircraft,
they troop door came open and here they
come jumping through the flames.
Jumping through the flames out onto the
desert floor and running. It's like
Shadrach, Meshach, and Abedneo. You know
when old Nebuchadnezzar put him in that
fiery furnace
and then Nebuchadnezzar jumped up and
ran over there and he said, "Yo, dudes,
come here and check this out." That's
the way they talk back then.
I see a fourth.
and looks like the son of God.
I can assure you
there was a fourth work walking around
in that burning wreckage that night. He
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I read a quote of yours. I wonder if
it's accurate.
You had a teaching position for a season
at a liberal arts college in Virginia. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Years ago when the trans discussion was
a little newer. And the comment that the
quote I read was, "The first man who
goes into the restroom with my daughter
And let me just tell you,
if if there's a man that has the
opportunity to stand against that kind
of evil and he doesn't do it,
This is the the college that I was
teaching in is the 10th oldest college
or university in America. It's called
Hampton Sydney College
and I was teaching leadership and and
they put out this policy that uh they
were going woke and that the men could
go into the women's bathrooms there. And
I did say that. I said it at a
conference down in Florida. I said that
and somebody videoed me and then they uh
they took it back and gave it to the
president of the university or of the
college and uh they fired me.
Well, what they didn't count on was
Franklin Graham got a hold of it.
Uh Fox News got a hold of it. I was
doing a lot of Fox News at the time.
They got a hold of it and
other organizations and other people got
a hold of it
and they started I mean
they started bombarding the college and
people started saying we will never put
another dollar into this college
and uh and all of a sudden
eight days after they fired me because I
said, "The first man that goes into the
bathroom with my wife or my daughter
is not going to need to worry about
getting the surgery." And
And
they uh they fired me, but all of a
sudden, eight days later, I get off a
plane in Denver and my phone is blowing
up. And I called my wife. I said,
"What's going on? I got all kinds of
calls on my phone. What's going on?" She
said, "Call the call the president of
the university."
And I called him and he said, this is
what he said. He said, "Jerry, um,
what would I need to do to get you the
promise to come back
Cuz they were losing money. They were
hemorrhaging money of people that So I
said, "Dennis,
uh, and and I really did do I when I
when he fired me, I got up and shook his
hand and I said, "Well, I just want you
to know the last 10 years has been a
privilege to be able to be here as part
of this." And I walked out of his
office. I'm going to take the high
ground on this.
Well, I said, "Dennis, nothing has
changed since what I told you when I
left and walked out. I will come back if
you want me to, but only for a year. And
he said, "Okay." Well, in 15 minutes,
they had a notice up that I had been
rehired to the university. But look,
this is another one of those, don't
One of the things that I used to tell
the those young men that I was teaching,
I taught leadership. I had the most
overs subscribed class in all of that at
that that whole uh university or college
I guess it really is.
You can't you can't compromise on what
you believe. And here's what I'd say to
them. I'd get them around the fire the
last night of class. I we do it outdoors
and I get them around the fire and I
say, "You need to know
what your values are. You need to know
what you believe in. You need to know
what you're willing to sacrifice for,
what you're willing to to even die for, maybe.
maybe.
You need to know that. But you need to
know why you believe it. It's not
enough. It's not enough. If you don't
know why you believe it, that's not
enough. You got to know why you believe
it. and and and in our case, we believe
it because it's in the word of God. But
we've got to know what we believe in.
It's not just a matter of having a
value. You need to know why you have
that value. And I will tell you that uh
there are a lot of people that don't
know why they believe certain things.
And that's like anti-semitism. Why do
you believe that the Jews
are occupying
territories that belong to the Arabs?
Do you know anything about the history
of that? Do you know that on the 29th of
November 1947
that the United Nations seeded that land
to the Jews?
You're you should be upset with the
League of Nations or now the United
Nations, not with the Jews.
This was bringing the Jews home. This
was giving them a homeland.
And they didn't go in there and conquer
it and take it. Now, they defended it.
And by the way, do you know the first
guy that
was promoted
into the Hagana
was an American.
It was an American that went over there
and helped to train
the Jewish forces there because they
knew that war was coming. His name was
Mickey Marcus. He's a West Point graduate.
graduate.
And after the World War II,
the uh
David Bengurian called
and asked if he could get Mickey Marcus
to come over and train his people
because they were going to wind up in a
war. And Mickey Marcus went over there.
And he uh trained them and he stayed
with them when the war started. and he
fought with them. He led them. They made
him a general. He was the first person
to get promoted
to general officer with them. He is the
only man at West Point that is buried
there that died fighting for another nation.
nation.
That's the kind of devotion that we have
to have.
He was a Jew, but it doesn't matter. I
consider myself a Jew. I'll just tell
you that right now. I'm not. I'm My
bloodline doesn't say so, but my
children are. Children are one quarter
Ashkanazi. We got to stand with Israel.
And we got to know why we stand with
Israel. And we stand with Israel
because still today,
they are God's chosen people. And I will
tell you
Israel became a nation.
that there was something special
about the fact that she gave birth to a son
son
the nation of Israel was recreated.
Is this the biblical
Is this the biblical Israel?
I don't think so.
But I think it's pretty dog on close and
it won't take much for it to be and I
will take your counsel on that. We have
to stand with Israel. We have to stand.
It is not occupied territory. It was
given to them by the United Nations
and people don't understand that.
>> We got to stand with them.
>> General, thank you.
>> Hey, thanks for joining me today. Before
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