Hey everybody, welcome back to another
episode of Negative Influence. As
always, I am your host Justin Allen and
today we are joined by the man himself,
Mr. Jason Cmerfeld of Grainy Days. We're
going to talk about how Jason approaches
photography, the YouTube grind, and
which flavor of Fresa is the best, plus
whatever else comes up. So, let's get
into it. [Music]
>> All right.
>> What's up, man?
>> Not much, man. I was worried I wouldn't
be able to make it today. I was the
victim of a violent crime last night.
>> For real, or is that like a joke?
>> Yeah. No, like No, like for real.
>> What happened?
>> We had a weekend getaway for my buddy's
bachelor party.
>> Uh, I can already see where this is going.
going.
>> No, it's a plot twist. There's no
alcohol. No alcohol, no drugs involved
or anything. And
>> he was snoring last night and the it was
just three people and the other guy text
me. I was like, "Man, I wish I would
have brought earplugs." I was like,
"Yeah, we should talk to him about
getting a CPAT machine tomorrow." And
then he woke up and read the text and
just pounced on us and tried to strangle
the other guy. And I've like I'm wearing
the hat because there's like a giant
contusion here and that's what this
scratches from. I'm like
>> Yeah. So he's in jail and I got to deal
with the Kent County prosecutor.
>> Oh my god, dude.
>> That's intense,
>> dude. My arm might be broken and I'm
like, I'm not missing this damn
interview. I'll go Monday.
>> Holy [ __ ] man. I I wouldn't blame you
if you had to like postpone. Dude,
that's that's intense. Holy crap. I've
suffered through worse and I was like,
there's no way in hell I'm missing this
interview because I've been plotting
this for a minute.
>> So, he just got pissed off that you
suggested he should have a CPAT machine.
>> He texted to me in the group chat where
we've all been talking for weeks about
this bachelor party and he was he was
under the assumption that it was
supposed to be like a one-on-one
conversation and we accidentally texted
the group chat or something, but
>> all I know is he was slammed to the
concrete and the police had like their
military M4s out. The SWAT team was
there. It was wild, man.
>> I don't even know what an M4 is besides
the Leica one.
>> Yeah. No, this one's a little bit more extreme.
extreme.
>> Just as pricey, too. Probably.
>> It's probably more. Those things are not
cheap at all.
>> Mint plus+, though.
>> But anyways, I'm here. I'm here. I'm
very excited about this,
>> dude. I uh I appreciate it, man. That
That sounds like quite the ordeal. I
don't think I It's a good It's a good
story. It's a good anecdote for like a
bachelor party kind of thing, right? I
don't think I've ever been to one that
crazy before.
>> No, man. It was boring. We went to the
museum and then an arcade and didn't
drink or do anything and then got
assaulted in the night. So,
>> it was just a wild turn of events. It's
not how I expected it to end at all.
>> Yeah. Well, damn, man. I I hope you're
okay. I hope you're on like painkillers
or something at least.
>> I took a Tylenol. I'll bounce back strong.
strong.
>> Okay. All right, man.
>> But I appreciate you coming on coming
on. I know you're busy and you're
probably working on more videos and
buried in editing right now.
>> Yeah, sounds like you know the life,
man. I um I really appreciate you having
me on, man. I know how much work it is
to like do a podcast. So, uh, I really
appreciate you taking the time and so on
and so forth.
>> You're one of the first people I wanted
to have on, but I had to kind of build
it up a little bit because I'm like, I
can't get him right away.
>> You may come to regret that. I don't know.
know.
>> Hey, man, something good happens.
There's always those little clickbay
titles that I never use and probably should.
should.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, lately I've been struggling with
like my intention in photography, and
I've heard you talking about it a lot
lately in your videos. How did how did
you what is your process for being
intentional with photography? Is it
something like you set a set of
guidelines for yourself or is it an
entire process in and of itself?
>> Well, I'll tell you how I do it, but I'd
love to hear more about like how like
what you're struggling with specifically
because I'm curious too just artist to
artist. Um I guess the way I do it, it's
a constantly like evolving
thing. You know, initially my way to
stay intentional was like I used to
shoot digital and now it's uh shooting
film was like one way to stay
intentional because like film costs
money. Every time you take a photo,
you're kind of gambling a little bit of
a little bit of money and that forces
intention and you know after years and
years of shooting film, I think it became
became
about finding new ways to stay
intentional. So, like if one camera is
loaded up with 36 exposures of like
black and white film, I have to be
intentional and I kind of have to think
black and white when I go to shoot that
camera. Does that make any sense?
>> Yeah, it does.
>> Just finding little ways along the the
road to just kind of like force yourself
to think directly about what you're
shooting and how you're going to shoot
it. And, you know, sometimes it's like,
oh, I've taken a a photo similar to this
before in the past and I knew I didn't
like it. I'm not going to take this
photo. I'm going to take, you know, five
steps over this way and try that out
instead or something like that. It's
just a bunch of little things. It's not
I guess I wouldn't say it's like one
thing that that does it, but I think
part of growing as an artist is trying
to find those little things that keep
you um
keep you smart about it, I guess. What
do you What have you been struggling
with? I'm curious.
>> I've just been struggling with I don't
know if it's the intention in and of
itself that's giving me the issue. It's
I'll go somewhere planning on this. I'll
plan ahead and I'll get there.
>> And if there's somebody else there and I
have to alter the plan at all, it just
>> I don't know if it's a patience thing
where I don't have the patience to wait
to be intentional. So then I feel like
I'm rushing myself or I'm in someone's way.
way.
>> And it's may it's probably just all
internal pressure I'm putting on myself
because of anxiety. But
>> it's about needing to slow myself down
to actually be able to focus on those
things and not worry about outside
influence, I think.
>> Oh, interesting. Do you have like an
example of what you mean exactly? Like
just showing up to location and
somebody's already there or something.
>> Showing up to location, somebody's
already there or if there's It hasn't
happened a lot, but if there's another
photographer there and a lot of
photographers are awful chatty. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's not part of my pro like I'll
banter back and forth, but then when I'm
working on something, I want to be
working on that.
>> Yeah, I get that. That's kind of
interesting you say that. I feel like a
lot of um a lot of the film
photographers I met, myself included,
are very uh introverted, you know, and I
I kind of know exactly what you mean.
Yeah. Sometimes I'll show up on
location, something I think is cool, but
I get a little like I wouldn't call it
an anxiety attack, but like just nervous
pulling out like the film camera first
of all, but then also like the, you
know, the digital Sony to record video
for it. You know, you just start to get
in your head about it and like I don't
know, are people going to be weird? Are
they going to be mad? I'm here. Stuff
like that. Is that kind of what you're
talking about?
>> Especially the locals and rural places,
which I've seen I've seen you complain
about. And it's I live in this area. I
live in a very rural area. And even
though some people know me, they'll just
still be like, "Well, what are you
doing? Why are you doing it?" I'm like,
"I'm on my property. Why are you
harassing me?"
>> Yeah. It gets kind of weird when you
have to like
>> explain yourself to people, you know?
Like it seems to me it seems pretty
obvious like what you're doing, but
maybe that's just because we're in the
world a little bit. you know, you see
somebody with a camera taking a picture,
they're just taking a picture there. I
don't know. I guess there's plenty of
room for like ulterior motive, but
yeah, it it is part of the game,
unfortunately. Um, yeah, I mean, what
kind of stuff do you like to shoot?
>> Professionally, I shoot a lot of
portraits and family stuff, like on the
digital side of on the digital side of
things, which is just a way for me to go
bankrupt by investing in too much film
stuff. And it's just I like landscape a
lot, but I want to start introducing
more film into the professional work.
>> Oh, interesting. Okay. Has any have any
of your clients ever requested film? I'm curious.
curious.
>> I have had one recently for um there's
this girl, she wants senior photos done,
but she's very like old soul and she was
like, I know you shoot film. My mom told
me you shoot film. Can you do some film
photos for my senior portraits? And I
was like, I'm very interested in that.
And then she's like, I want to get like
I want to get like a beehive hairo for
it. Like the old really tall hairds. I
was like, I'm sold. I am in.
>> Yeah, you got to put a really thick like
uh glam diffusion filter on it or
something, you know, like those super
airbrushed looking uh old glam photos.
>> Get the double exposure for like profile
looking off to the side.
>> Oh yeah, dude. That'd be sick. I wonder
if you could carve out your own little
niche doing stuff like that nowadays,
you know? Well, that's what I'm
wondering because AI is introduced and
now film photography
even even prior to the last few years
like I'm seeing a huge growth spurt in
film photography lately. People around
here who were saying they'd never shoot
film a couple years ago are suddenly
walking around with Leas and Hasselblads
and I'm like, "Hang on, you made fun of
me for shooting my Canon A1. What's
going on here?"
>> Yeah, you actually got made fun of for
it. Just
>> Oh. Oh, absolutely.
>> Oh, wow. Wow. bullying against film
photographers. That's kind of funny. No,
I know. It's It's been super interesting
to see the shift, to be honest. Um, do
you follow Jared Poland at all?
>> I don't think I do. No,
>> he's a really good photographer, but uh
he was, I would say, very anti-film for
a long time, but just in the past year
or so, he started shooting um sporting
events on a 4x5 film with a graphex and
a ectar lens. Like really impressive
stuff. like if you're able to do that,
like you can pretty much shoot anything
because you're working with like a razor
thin margin of like focus and stuff. And
he it seems like he's just totally
leaned into it. And I thought it was
just kind of funny to go from like
anti-film across the board as like a
digital photographer to like large
format, super niche lens, you know, and
take that kind of dive. But I'm I'm all
for it. I'm here for it. You know,
>> he just went all in on it right away
just from shooting the best he could and
then he's just diving into large format
and Oh, man.
>> Do you shoot much large format?
>> Oh, absolutely not. It scares the [ __ ]
out of me, man.
>> What's so scary about it, man? It's the
same It's the same concept, right?
>> I know, but it's mostly the price tag
that's scary about it.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I know. Is there like a lot
of um Do you have like a lot of camera
stores and like places to get film out
near you?
>> There's a couple places. Uh there's one
probably 20 miles away from me, but they
have a very limited film selection. It's
usually just the big players in it. You
can get large format, but they have a
30% markup on everything they get. And
if I get anything, it's probably just
going to be ordered from B&H.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's unfortunate. B&H is
still kind of the the easiest even for
like me here in LA. You know, it's on
the other side of the United States, but
it's still like pretty competitive
prices. Unfortunately, I do like uh
whenever we go on road trips with uh my
buddy David and Burgett and Caleb, we do
uh like looking up like these little
boutique shops that sell like 35
millimeter film and just popping in and
just seeing what they got. You never
know, right? And um we went to one in
Utah that was literally just like a
closet in the back of a building, but
they had like a whole developing lab
back there and stuff. And I was like,
"Whoa, it's like no bigger than the room
I'm in right now." And there was just
like this uh these two people, a couple
probably, and they were just developing
and stuff. And I was like, "Dang, you
really can just do it from a a closet
under the, you know, under the stairs or
whatever, like Harry Potter.
>> I'm doing it in a bathroom under the
stairs right now."
>> Is that right?
>> Because I do all my own developing. I'm
too broke for I'm too broke for labs
right now.
>> Do you ever get tired of developing on
your own?
>> No. I I actually really like the process
of developing. I'm in the process of
building a dark room right now, too. So,
I'm gonna get up to large format eventually.
eventually.
>> Yeah, it'll happen. Just give it a
couple years.
>> I said I'd never shoot film. Then I said
I'd never shoot color film. And now I'm
bulk roll bulk rolling things out of the basement.
basement.
>> Yeah. I wonder if it goes the other way,
too. People who shoot film are like,
I'll never shoot digital. And then they
start getting into digital, you know.
>> You know what? I bet you it has happened.
happened.
>> Yeah, probably. They ruined all their
street cred immediately the minute they
picked up the minute they picked up like
a Fuji X100 or something.
>> Yeah, those cameras are stupid popular, huh?
huh?
>> They're stupid pricey for absolutely no reason.
reason.
>> Yeah, they look good, man. If they made
that as a film camera, I'd be all over it.
it.
>> They look so good, but the price tag on
old tech. Holy [ __ ] I'm criticizing the
price of digital cameras while paying
ridiculous amounts of money for film
cameras. I just need to shut the hell up
is what I need to do. Yeah, you got to
get them things in order, but you know,
you're you're on the right track and we
appreciate that about you. Um,
you know, my biggest irk with those Fuji
cameras is that they call those like
style bodies. They call them rangefinder
style and it's like it bothered me for
so long. Like these are not
rangefinders. Rangefinders are those
mirrors and stuff showing you the like
ghost image and stuff. They just call it
rangefinder style because it kind of
looks similar and it's like it's made me
so angry for so long.
>> Would you have a problem if they said it
was rangefinder inspired? Just that one
word of inspired would change it for you?
you?
>> I guess I'd be more okay with that. It's
such a stupid little detail, but I mean
it's like as photographers we nitpick
everything, right?
>> Yeah. I feel like some people need to
nitpick a little more.
>> Yeah, I think so.
>> You nitpick yourself quite a bit.
>> Yeah. How self-critical are you to the
point do you give yourself depression or
are you a healthy amount of self-critical?
self-critical?
>> Uh that's something I've definitely been
asking myself the past few years. Um
I try to think of it as like healthy. I mean
mean
I'd like to say I don't trust any artist
who doesn't, you know, dislike their
work. If if I met an artist who thinks
that they're great and everything they
do is great, they [ __ ] greatness. like I
don't trust them,
you know? It's like every artist kind of
thinks they can do better and thinks
like, you know, this is this is a good
photo, this is a good painting, whatever
it is, but if I did it again, if I had a
second chance, I could do it way better,
you know? And I I think as soon as you
lose that, you kind of stop growing as
an artist, probably. So, it's not me
trying to fake it to pretend like I'm
still growing as an artist, but it is
just me being like, well, if I did it again,
again,
it would have been obvious how I could
have made it better. And so, I think to
people on who watch the videos and
stuff, it it just comes across as like,
I hate all my work. It's all [ __ ] Like,
I've never taken a good photo. Blah blah
blah, you know? But I I don't know. I
guess I've been trying to be a little
bit more positive lately about it, but
yeah, it it's a tough it's a tough
battle. I mean, how do you feel about
your work?
>> I don't know. I have a lovehate
relationship with it because sometimes
I'm on and sometimes I'm way off and it
seems like I've been way off way off a
lot more than on lately. It is just I
think it's part of the motivation and
the intent thing because I'm burn I'm
kind of burned out on where I'm shooting
right now. So, I'm trying to maybe do a
little road trip somewhere here and
there to see if spending more money on a
trip fixes things.
>> Yeah, I wish there was an easier way. I
kind of get what you're saying. Yeah, I
I'm kind of tired of shooting my area,
too. And um I do find myself being a lot
more inspired when I go somewhere I
haven't been before and much more
excited about the photos and getting
them back. And when you really nail it
in a new place you've never been before
and you get the photo back and you're
like, "This is perfect." you know,
that's just the best the best feeling.
So, I I think that probably would work
for you. Yeah. I mean, I don't know your
photographic style or what you do on the
regular necessarily, but that works for
me. So, I'm I'm curious if um if it
works for you.
>> It's worked for me on vacations before.
I take a short weekend or weekl long
trip somewhere. Like in April, we went
down to Hawking Hills in Ohio. I don't
know if you've ever heard of it.
>> I have. Yeah,
>> I get it. It's Ohio. It's the only cool
thing in Ohio.
>> Yeah. Well, you know,
>> besides Trev. Trev's cool.
>> You can aim higher. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
But, uh, that really that's the first
time I invested a lot of time into color
film and actually spent time working on
it. And I felt it really helped me
improve composition. It helped me
improve my ability to actually be out in
the wilderness with nobody around and
work on things. My family was there, but
but they're used to waiting for me. And
it's it's maybe it's just like a
rejuvenating process where you can use
something from somewhere else to look at
the place you're at in a new light. And
I think that's helped me cuz when I came
back from there, I started shooting work
here that I was really excited about and
thought it was awesome. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> It's kind of just gone downhill a little bit.
bit.
>> You felt you felt refreshed coming back
to your like local community after that. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. Interesting.
Yeah. 100%. Yeah, I can see that. I
think I've done that too for sure. You
have you have more appreciation for
what's around you, I suppose.
>> And it's trying to apply some of those
compositions that I was able to find
down there and apply it to an entirely
different landscape here because I live
in a very flat, boring farm community
and down there it's all just caverns and
cliffs and waterfalls. And trying to
find a way to connect those two images
was a challenge for me that that I
really like.
>> Oh, I see.
>> Almost mirror images of a project.
>> Yeah. I you know every person's every
photographer is different. What inspires
one ne doesn't necessarily inspire the
other one. I I I feel um I yeah to be
honest though I have been on trips too
where it's like all this stuff is like
new around me but I have like no
motivation to shoot like nothing's
really hitting it you know necessarily
and uh I wonder if that's also if you're
uh personal like emotional state comes
into it to some degree. Dude are you
drinking a fresca
>> dude by the gallon like multiple 12
packs a week. What is going on with I'm
seeing that [ __ ] everywhere.
>> Oh, they're so good.
>> Oh my god. Okay, my girlfriend loves
those. Okay, but there is there two
versions? There's a grapefruit and like
a lemon or something.
>> Peach. It's peach.
>> Peach is uh peach. Peach is the second
one. Grapefruit is the original, right? Okay.
Okay.
>> She has been drinking those things
non-stop. It's like sweeping the nation.
Whatever this fresca thing is. I tried
one and I got like crazy heartburn from it.
it.
>> Probably citric acid.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Grapefruit or something. So,
I can't drink them, but I'm Dude, I've
just been seeing them everywhere, man.
How'd you get turned on to them?
>> My 13-year-old stepdaughter was drinking
one, and I was thirsty, and I want I was
drinking these Waterloo things. Have you
ever had one of these?
>> Those are so good, dog. They're so good.
>> Blackberry. Blackberry lemon is my [ __ ]
>> Yeah, they have one. Ah, dude. I wish I
could remember. It's like a cinnamon
apple or something like that. It's so good.
good.
>> They release it in the fall. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> usually is when I see it.
>> Yeah. You uh you mess with LCroy at all?
You a Lacroy guy? I'm hit or miss on it.
Every now and then I don't buy it. I
don't I don't buy it, but if somebody
has it, I'll drink it. I'm like, I don't
need to pick that up. And I see it in
the store, I'm like, I'm not paying I'm
not paying those prices right now.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I um there's only like two
good flavors. And yeah, my store like
barely has either one of them half the
time. So, kind of moving away from
Lacroy, but I need to find maybe I'll go
to Waterl.
>> Dude, Waterlue Blackberry Lemonade is
very good. Summer berry is good, too.
You feel extra patriotic drinking it
because it's red, white, and
>> they kind of look like a beer or
something though, you know?
>> Yeah, they do.
>> Like if I if I was a cop watching you
drink that in like the public park, I'd
be like, "That guy's drinking a beer for sure."
sure." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
Sorry. I didn't mean to get sidetracked.
>> Oh, you're good. You're good, man.
>> Um, what were we talking about?
>> I don't even remember. I got excited
that about the fresca, too. I was like,
he realized I was drinking a fresca.
>> Yeah. I can't even drink like still
water anymore. I can in like emergencies
when I'm hung over or something, but
like sparkling water all day. You feel
like way fancier. You feel like a little
princess. You know what I mean?
>> It's the bubbles. Yeah. Like the bub the
bubbles do it for me. It's cuz I drank
soda. Soda for so long.
>> What soda were you uh addicted to
>> when I was younger? It was Code Red.
>> Code Red. Oh man.
>> Violently addicted to Code Red.
>> That's like a niche niche soda. Yeah.
Wow. I don't think I even ever had that.
What does that even taste like?
>> It's like cherry Mountain Dew. Okay, cool.
cool.
>> Either that or Dr. Pepper.
>> Dude, Dr. Pepper's big
>> Dr. Pepper's sweeping the nation, too.
Yeah, I think they outsold Coke Zero or
something like that, right?
>> Yeah, I saw that. They outsold Pepsi, too.
too. >> Insane.
>> Insane.
>> My fiance is obsessed with Dr. Pepper.
She's got like Dr. Pepper shirt Dr.
Peppers. And there's a ginger ale called
Verers. I It's big around here. I don't
know if it makes but
>> It's a Michigan thing, I think. Right.
Or it's like a Midwest thing.
>> Yeah, very much so.
>> Crazy. What are they going to think of next?
next?
>> I don't know. Hopefully some new flavors
because it's getting real turned over,
man. It's just like the reboots in the
theater. Invent a new flavor. Come up
with something.
>> Dude, I was actually kind of thinking to
circle it back to film. I was kind of
thinking that recently, too. I was like,
when was the last time I watched a
YouTube video about film photography or
just photography in general that was
like new or inventive, you know? Is
there anybody out there that's doing it
differently that has like taken the
formula and kind of flipped it on its
head, but it worked? Have you ever
thought about that?
>> There's somebody that I like on YouTube.
He's just getting into YouTube, but he's
uh he's an American expat. He lives in
South Korea and he's doing stuff like
shooting photos on tumeric paper and so
just very in-depth old style photography
and shooting ISO1 films in all these
Korean markets and everything. And I
really love his work, but he's kind of
finding his legs with the YouTube thing.
He's very unsure of it and does know how
to handle it, but I think he's
incredibly talented. That is a that's a
very very niche approach to photography,
but it could be really cool. Yeah, you
should send it to me after we're done.
I'd love to check his stuff out.
>> Yeah, I'll send it over to you. He's he
also shoots digital Nikons. He's loves Nikons.
Nikons.
>> Okay. So,
>> he's got his uh foot in both worlds, I suppose.
suppose.
>> Yeah, he his uh username is Sticky
Nikons because he says Nikons are always
sticky for some reason.
>> That might just be a him problem.
>> It might be.
>> What's the common denominator here? if
all his Nikons are sticky.
>> I'm in a group chat with him and my
other buddy is like, "My Nikons are
sticky, too." I'm like, "What the hell
are you guys doing to these Nikons, man?
My Sony's just fine."
>> Like sticky to hold.
>> Yeah. Like when the when the stuff wears
down, the old pad gets sticky and sticks
to your hands a little bit.
>> I guess I don't have any like modern
Nikons, but Yeah. I Yeah. Huh.
Weird. Sticky Nikon. Have you picked up
anything new recently that you're
excited about over there?
>> Yeah, but I can't talk about it.
>> Oh, what about you?
>> I picked up some Phoenix 2 this weekend
right before I got my ass beat. And then
>> still find that funny.
>> It's wild.
>> Sorry to laugh at your miss.
>> No, you're fine. I've been laughing at
it since it happened because it's the
most ridiculous thing in the world.
Um, I picked up some Phoenix 2. I picked
up some Electra. That's the same thing
that Santa I think it's the same thing
that Santa color was or is.
>> Oh, it's just Kodak a color.
>> Yeah, I think that's what it is. And I
got some kind of expired Fuji something
or other that they had in the U close
date film bin that that was laying at
some shop in Grand Rap.
>> Oh, interesting. Um, have you shot
Phoenix uh Phoenix 2 yet?
>> No, I haven't. It's my first role.
>> Okay, cool. Are you saving it for
something special? I don't know. I might
just get the first painful one out of
the way and buy another one.
>> There you go.
>> What did you rate yours for?
>> Um, I did 200 across the board. I think
actually I shot some at 160 just to be
safe, but either one is fine. Yeah. Um,
it's an interesting film stock. Yeah.
Have you shot Phoenix One?
>> Yeah, I did.
>> Yeah. What' you think?
>> A lot of Gravy Browns, but there's
something there's something about it I like.
like.
>> Yeah. It's a I think it's just because
it's a new film and it's introducing a
new color film into the world.
>> Yeah, it's quite different. You know how
they say like you can make any um like
Kodak film look like any other Kodak
film as long as it's I guess C41. You
can make Etar look like Portra if you
want. You can make Portra look like
Ectar if you want. Um I I was kind of
thinking about this the other day. You
can't really make Phoenix look like
Portra. You know, Phoenix is too
Phoenix is like, at least Phoenix one is
like a a cave painting compared to like
Portrait 400's Mona Lisa. You know what
I mean?
>> That's a perfect comparison.
>> Yeah. So, I I do really appreciate
Phoenix uh Phoenix one and Phoenix 2 for
just like looking so different and being
like their own thing in their own world.
Um, I just personally wish, as I'm sure
a lot of people do, I wish some things
were improved upon. And they'll get
there for sure. It takes, you know, a
long time, but I'm really proud of them
and really happy with what they're doing
for sure.
>> I'm glad that they're introducing new
things into the market instead of just
respooling old stock and calling it
something else.
>> Yeah. How often are we getting uh like
new stuff nowadays, you know? I think
there was like Opticolor 200 that just
came out, right? Did you see that?
>> Yeah, I did see that. But it's a it's
like an Orwell thing or something, right?
right?
>> Orwell's kind of getting a underground
hype going to him recently. I noticed
I've heard a lot of people talking about it.
it.
>> And I've never shot any Orwell films.
Have you? I'm assuming you have because
you've shot a bunch of [ __ ]
>> Yeah, somewhere along the line. For some
reason, I always just associate Oro with
like desaturated for some reason. I
don't know. It goes back to the
respooling thing. Like so many brands
just respspool and rename [ __ ]
especially Oro film. And it's like I
honestly don't even I can't even
remember what I've shot at this point. I
could have shot it at some point. It was
just under a different name. I can't remember.
remember. >> Crazy.
>> Crazy.
>> It all blends together at some point.
You just do you do you archive all your stuff?
stuff?
>> My negatives? Yeah.
>> Okay. I wasn't sure because I've talked
to a few photographers who are like,
"Why would I do that?" And it it just
blows my mind.
>> What do they do with their negatives
then? Scan them and toss them because
it's for social media. >> Oh
>> Oh
>> yeah. But no, but like scanning
technology is going to get better in the
future, you know. Keep it.
>> What's your process lab?
>> Uh I have the lab do develop only for me
and then I uh mirrorless scan my my
negatives and posit. Well, it's mostly
positives now for for color because I
shoot a lot of ectochrome. But um yeah,
it's just all uh DSLR scan, mirrorless,
whatever. What about you?
>> Same. I'm using the A7 III to scan
everything. I need to buy a new lens.
New lens for scanning.
>> Oh, what are you working with right now?
>> Uh a 50 with an extension ring and I do
not like it.
>> Uh yeah.
Yeah, that can be kind of tricky.
>> I wasn't sure if I was going to like the
scanning and I just never improved upon
that after I decided I liked it. But now
I'm actually shooting a majority of
film. If I'm not shooting for work, I'm
shooting all film all the time.
>> Whoa. Hell yeah. That's what I love to hear.
hear.
>> Too bad Kodak's uh going down the
[ __ ] right?
>> Allegedly. Allegedly.
>> Allegedly. Yeah. No, I'm just kidding,
man. Um
that's cool. Yeah. I feel like doing the
DSLR scan on uh on film is like the
modern day of like the modern day
equivalent of like enlarging in a dark
room. You know, you're focusing on the
grain and you're uh creating a higher
resolution digital copy of your of your
film. Obviously, they're two different
worlds completely.
There's a lot that goes into enlarging,
a lot more than mirrorless scanning for
sure. But
>> it's a good comparison to make. It's the
way we can reference it to the way
things were done in the past.
>> Yeah, I suppose
>> my fiance asked me why. She like, why
why do you just scan that digitally
instead of just using your digital
camera to take the picture in the first
place? And I was like, I'm an artist.
Don't ask me questions. I don't know.
>> I don't have a good answer. But >> no,
>> no,
>> if you don't get it and you don't get
it. Um, wait, so you're getting married?
Was this your bachelor party?
>> No, no, no, no. It was It was his
bachelor party, but that guy was going
to do the ceremony at my wedding at the
Grand Canyon.
>> Oh. Oh, I thought he was going to show
up and just do like a two for one deal.
Like both of you guys get married at the
same location.
>> No, he he was getting married next month
and I'm getting married in November and
we rented out the rim of the Grand
Canyon to do the ceremony and he was
supposed to be he was supposed to be the
minister for it >> and
>> and
>> Oh, cool.
>> I might have to look into another
option, man. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> I don't think it's going to work.
Somebody beats the [ __ ] out of you, you
probably don't want them to be the
minister, right?
>> It's so humiliating cuz I was laying
flat flat. I was laying flat on my back
when it happened. So, I was under the
blanket and when he like leapt on me, my
hands were stuck under the blanket. So,
the only defense I had was just like
>> cover up and that's why dude, I don't
know if you can tell, but this is so
swelled up right here.
>> No, you just look buff, man.
>> I I'm retaining water.
>> I remember uh waking up one time. This
is a total diversion, but I remember
waking up one time when I studied abroad
in Italy and uh my roommates had gone
out and got drunk, but I had a test
early the next morning, so I just went
to bed early. I woke up at like 3:00
a.m. to like a bunch of noise and one of
my roommates was shoving my other
roommates's like mattress out like half
out of the window from like the third
story and I just like look up and I was
like, "Dude, I have I don't have time
for this." And I just went back to sleep.
sleep.
>> You just got to ignore it, man. I
learned to ignore a lot of stuff. I was
in a touring metal band for years, so I
spent a lot I spent a lot of time in a
van with five other sweaty dudes who
wanted to kill each other half the time.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That must have been cool,
though. That must have been fun.
>> I I think I had a very different touring
experience than a lot of other musicians
did because no tour no tour was fun and
everything ended catastrophically. We
were also like a death metal band, so we
weren't hanging out in the best bars or
anything like that.
>> That's always been the one thing that's
escaped me. I've always wanted to tour,
do something touring, but like what kind
of photographer is going to tour? I
always joke that if like the right band
asked me, I would go on tour with them
for like,
>> oh man,
>> behind the scenes stuff totally for
free. They just got to like I don't
know. Like I'll chill on the bus. I
don't care. I'll sleep on the bus.
>> You could make a killing doing that.
There are tons of people hiring for that
right now.
>> I would do it for free if it was like
the right band for sure.
>> There's like two bands you'd do it for
and you just don't want to come out and
say it.
>> Yeah. I'm trying to think what the funny
answer would be, but um I'm a little
tired to be honest. I just got back from
a from a two and a half week trip to
South Dakota filming a video. So, we
were waking up at like 4 in the morning
crossing like the Mojave Desert on
motorcycles and stuff like that. And it
was just it was a lot. But it was a lot
of fun. But I'm still trying to get back
from it.
>> Did you have any of that weather out?
Because I there was a couple tornadoes
that hit out that wet recently.
>> Uh how recently? because I know there
were some like thunderstorms and stuff
that rolled through right before we got there.
there.
>> It might have been just before you got
there then, but yeah, there were some
big tornadoes that rolled through out there.
there.
>> No, we didn't see much. We had a one
evening where there was a lightning. It
dude, it looked pretty metal. It was so
sick. We were out at this um it's called
Full Throttle Saloon, but it's a part of
like the Sturgeis motorcycle rally. And
just off in the distance, the planes
just go on forever up there. If you've
ever been I don't know.
>> No, I haven't yet.
>> You can picture it, though. I'm sure. >> Yep.
>> Yep.
>> Just a huge thunderstorm rolling in like
water like sunset's happening, water's
dropping, and just lightning every like
three seconds, you know? It's like this
is perfect. This is beautiful.
>> Did you shoot any photos of it?
>> I don't know if I got photos. I
definitely have video of it. I think
they're trying to get the hell out of
there before was like right over us, you know.
know.
>> Have you ever done any any stormchasing
or anything like that for photo and
video or is that out of your element?
>> Out of my element. Nice. I haven't done
it. You know what? Have you seen Twisters?
Twisters?
>> Yeah. Yeah, watching that movie I was
like, "Dude, I want to be like a tornado
chaser photographer, you know, but that
would be insanely dangerous." Probably
it'd be cool. Have you?
>> Yeah, we got hit.
>> Really? What happened?
>> So, there was an announcement that
there's going to be severe storms and my
buddy I work for a video production
company during the day
>> and he's like, "We should go chase these
storms that are supposed to be rolling
from Iowa to Illinois." And I was like,
"Hell yeah, I'm in on it, man. Let's do
this." And I'm driving and we get over
there and I didn't even think to check
the weather report before he did it, but
it turns out it wasn't supposed to be
just tornadoes. It was a direct, which
is like a huge 500 mile arcing
windstorm. And we were just outside of
Joliet, Illinois, and the outer bands of
an EF2 tornado
>> hit us and caught us at a rest area.
>> Jeez, dude.
>> I was trying to outrun the storm and I
knew we couldn't. I was doing 90 down
like I 80 or whatever the hell that road is.
is.
>> Yeah, you can't outrun that. I whipped
into a rest area behind the side of the
building to shield us from the wind and
that hit.
>> Must have been like one of the scariest
moments of your life, man. Besides like
last night at the bachelor party.
>> No, that was scarier than the bachelor
party cuz storms are my biggest fear and
I got talked into this and we we still
look at storms. If it's supercell
storms, I'll go out there and the planes
because you can see them coming for
miles, but I am not doing a big ass
storm like that. There was nowhere to go.
go.
>> So, you watch Twisters and you're like,
"This is my own personal like Vietnam."
>> I No, I really like tornado content.
There's some tornado creators on YouTube
where they make these mini documentaries
about all the big tornadoes. I sucked
into those so hardcore.
>> You're just killing it with the puns
today, man.
>> It just it just comes out naturally.
>> Damn, man. That's crazy. I
I always tell like my friends like I
would do everything once for like the
story, you know? I would go to outer
space for the story, but like that's
probably super dangerous. I would sit
like chase down a tornado at least once
for the story.
>> Stay on the south side of it. You'll be fine
fine
>> of every tornado.
>> No, like 98%. Just don't find that.
Don't find the 2% that go the other way
and you'll be good.
>> It's gambling at that point, I suppose.
>> And it's gambling with your life, so
it's the best kind of gambling. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh you and Caleb were talking about
something on Migos the other day that
caught my attention.
>> Ah, a rival podcast.
>> I got to do something to reach those
numbers because it ain't working for me
yet. You guys were talking about the
dust removal AI and I happen to be doing
dust removal when you guys were talking
about this >> manually.
>> manually.
>> Is that what you do?
>> Yeah, that's what we do right now. Um I
think we got the idea from uh like have
you ever had one of those like Epson
film scanners? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So the way those things work for their
like digital ice dust removal is they do
like a normal RGB pass and then they do
an infrared pass and the infrared pass
picks up uh dust um on the surface of
your film a lot better. So, it's able to
create a mask where the white I'm just
guessing here, but the white points get
erased and it fills it in with some like digital
digital
nonsense or something. Um, and so I
thought I thought, you know, that's an
antiquated technology. I wonder if
there's a way to do that nowadays with
like a full spectrum camera or
something. And uh it was just kind of a
a nice uh
I don't know what's the word, a nice uh
a nice thought. I don't know if it is
really all that practical. What were you thinking?
thinking?
>> Is there like a plugin you can get that
does that for you? Are you against dust
removal dig digitally?
>> No. No. No. No. I do it all the time.
>> So, there's a couple people who are
like, "You shouldn't do that. You should
only use the blower and what's on the
film is on the film." I'm like, "Yeah,
but these cameras are real old and
dusty, man."
>> Yeah. No. And a lot of labs don't.
They'll take care of your your negs, but
sometimes they might return a little
dusty and stuff, and it's like I guess
you can try and blow it off as much as
you can, but you're never going to get
it all right. I think it's more of a
like the really hardline film purists
that are against this because anything
digital digital is bad to them. >> But
>> But >> yeah,
>> yeah,
>> I would really love some kind of plugin
that will do the dust removal for me.
>> Have you ever dropped a negative
>> and then had to scan it?
>> Oh yeah, on my carpet. Yeah, 100%. Yeah,
>> man. I did that the other day with some
black and white and I was I had to take
a break. I went and chilled down
outside. Yeah,
>> I I just left the negative there. I
didn't even pick it up because I didn't
want to see.
>> You're like, I need to go lie down for a
minute. I'm so angry right now. >> Um
>> Um
Yeah. Yeah. It'd be cool if something
like that came came out. I I imagine the
people that are like, "Don't paint out
dust on your negatives are the same
people that are like don't edit your
film." Which is kind of bologoney a
little bit. Everyone has different
philosophies, you know, and they're all
valid. like
I refuse to take a color photo and uh
turn it to black and white because for
me it's like well then I'm just trying
to save the photo instead of like be
intentional about it. You know what I
mean? Does that make sense?
>> Um but everybody just has a different
line I suppose. And how do you feel
about using AI in like Photoshop or
something to remove scratches and like
like significant dust or fingerprints or
anything on your film? I've done it in
the past, but I typically I typically
like to use the it says it's not
generative AI where it's the selection
tool where you can just grab a piece of
the photo from somewhere else.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah, the clone tool.
>> I will use that.
>> Yeah, that's what we uh that's what we
do a lot. Yeah, I think we try to stay
away from I I don't want to speak for
Caleb. I don't know. Um, I think we try
to uh
use the clone tool as much as possible
and then like if there's like I've had
some scans where um there's like a a
piece of hair or something that crosses
like someone's neck or chin or face or
something and it's like dude this is
going to be really hard to paint out
like hand like I don't know what the
word is manually I guess with the with
the clone tool. I just got to go AI with
it. And like it does a good job and it
cleans it up and it saves me like 20
minutes pulling the negative out,
booting all my stuff up and rescanning
it. So I don't see a problem with it.
It's like less than 1% of your image at
the end of the day. So what does it even matter?
matter?
>> Exactly. I think you just made a lot of
film photographers feel a lot better
because so many people are telling them
not to do that. And there everybody
likes to pretend they don't do that.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think a lot a lot of
people use AI more than they cop do to I
would imagine. I don't know.
>> Oh, they absolutely do. I wish I could
find an AI that would cut this damn
podcast down for me intelligible instead
of hot.
>> Yeah. Yeah. We got to get it out of the
creative field and just use it for like
personal robot like slaves.
>> Just many tasks that you don't want to
deal with.
>> You you spend a lot of time editing the podcast.
podcast.
>> Oh yeah, I'll spend a lot because
because I'll cut back and forth from us
instead of just having a side by side.
I'll cut back from video to video
because I wanted it to be a little
different, I guess. I don't know. It's
>> there's got to be a way.
>> I think that there's that Opus Clips
thing that can cut down podcast clips.
I'm just hoping they expand that to more
of the whole podcast.
>> And then and then it's if I if I want to
pay for it to get it depending on the
price tag. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> I'm notoriously cheap. I'm so cheap I
tried out that sinest negative converter thing.
thing.
>> How was it? I haven't tried it yet. I
they just feel like they just feel like
it inverts your image and gives you some
LUTs to throw on it and it vastly
changes your film stock from each of the
LUTs. I don't know. It's interesting.
>> I kind of liked it when I first used it,
but it was just that first roll of film
that looked really good and then
everything else has been really rough.
Yeah, I kind of get the impression from
you and other people I've talked to is
that it's like a real it's like a very technically
technically
proficient system, but a lot of people
don't understand. Uh myself included, I
definitely do not understand like how
it's technically proficient, what I
should be using when and stuff, you know?
know?
>> Exactly. Yeah. There's no instructions.
>> You stick with Negative Lab Pro for now.
>> No, I convert each image manually
>> in like Photoshop. >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> dude. Hell yeah. That's the way. Do you
have like an action setup in Photoshop
to do it for you or anything?
>> I have built some actions for the film,
but then there's other films I haven't
done it for yet. If I'm shooting 500t, I
have that action down non-stop. It's
just it just I churn 500t out because
that's what I shoot a lot of.
>> Have you uh I have a lot of questions
now all of a sudden. Do you uh so you
shoot a lot of ECN2 film? Are you
shooting it the old 500T with the Remjet Layer?
Layer? >> Yes.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Have you heard Have you shot the
uh new stuff yet? Is this new stuff even out?
out?
>> Uh I've heard it's started appearing in
some rolls in stores, but I don't know
what the availability of it is. I'm
interested in trying it.
>> I really want them to uh cuz they
discontinued bulk rolling, right? I
assume that's where you got your 500T originally.
originally.
>> Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm bulk rolling. Yeah.
>> Uh so they discontinued bulk rolling. I
really want them to, if they're going to
do that, I really want them to release
like 500T, 250D, so on and so forth in
like little photo 36 exposure rolls or
something now that it can be developed
in C41. That'd be so sick. You can just
pick up 250D at the store and develop in
C41 and it looks, you know, it looks all
right, I suppose. But
>> I cross-process a lot of 500T into C-41.
>> Yeah. Have you noticed like much of a
difference? There's some color shifting,
but not enough for me to notice it. >> Okay.
>> Okay.
>> Nothing anybody's ever noticed. They're
like, "This was in C41 instead of ECN2."
Nobody's ever called me out about it, so
I'm still just gonna do it.
>> Yeah. I wonder if it's if it just comes
down to like a slight white balance
difference and you can easily just shift
it out or something, you know?
>> How do you feel about changing colors in
uh Lightroom or Photoshop? I'm not sure
which one you use to edit because I saw
something in your last video where you
said the saturation slider was tempting you.
you.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
>> Is this part of the uh intentional
thing? Yeah, I try I try not to as much
as I can, but like I shoot a lot of
ectochrome now with a warming filter and
sometimes when you take a shot I don't I
I can't quite place it, but um the shot
comes back and it's just like really
really orange and
it like doesn't make a ton of sense why
it is that way when acttochrome is such
a notoriously blue film stock in my
opinion and I'm using the warming filter
to warm it up. Like I would say 80% of
the time it's fine. It looks like an
actual like neutally balanced image with
the warming filter. But then every once
in a while there's just a shot that is
like stupidly orange like the sun just
exploded in your shot. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, so in that case when I bring
it in I scan all my X chrome as a HDR.
So I take three photos of it. That way I
can compress them together and you get
more bit depth. I think I don't know the
technicalities of it, but when I do
that, it makes it easier to like shift
the warmth slider a little bit and
correct the magenta and uh green slider
a little bit and everything doesn't like
fall apart necessarily. Um, so I'm okay
with like doing that. I don't go in and
change individual colors. Is that what
you were kind of asking?
>> I just didn't know how what your opinion
was on editing the colors themselves on
the film in general. Yeah, I try to I
try to leave it otherwise like I'll
I'll be at my computer all day. Like one
of the reasons I stopped shooting
digital is just because like raw files
you can do pretty much anything to them,
right? You know, and you can edit it one
way and be like, "Huh, that is good."
And then edit the next photo the same
way and you're like, "That sucks." Edit
it differently, you're like, "That's
good. I want to apply it to this one."
And there's a lot of back and forth and
just I'm sure you know exactly what I'm
talking about. Yeah.
>> Yes. It drives me insane. Where do you
where do you cut yourself off at that
point? You know, you can edit it any way
you want.
>> And then there's those people who get
sucked into the pre-made LUTs and stuff,
which I don't like and use, but there
are people who will spend thousands and
thousands of dollars on their these
pre-made LUTs that changes everything
about everything about their photo is changed
changed
>> to where they the only thing they did was
was
>> push the shutter
>> and then the L took over
>> and then drag it over. Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's just kind of the way of the
world though. I get it for like wedding
photographers who have like 3,000 photos
to edit, you know, and it's like, yeah,
that totally makes sense. You got a lot
to go through and you have like two days
to do it. But, um,
yeah, for people who are just hobbyists,
it's like I don't know. Wouldn't you it
it seems like you're losing some manual
control that way, you know?
>> It really does. And
>> I've shot weddings before and I'm
stubborn enough that I edit each photo individually.
individually.
>> Hell yeah, dude. Handmade. That's
soulbreaking. I hate weddings, man. Have
you ever shot a wedding or anything like that?
that?
>> I haven't. >> Don't.
>> Don't.
>> I've had some people reach out to me
throughout the years because they saw
the the YouTube channel and they were
like, "Dude, shoot my wedding. I'll fly
you out for free." So on and so forth. I
was like, "No, man. It wouldn't be good.
I don't have the style." Because to be a
wedding photographer, I'm again
preaching to the choir here because
you've done it. You have to like have
the eye for it. you know, there's a lot
of practice and a lot of like knowing
where to go and how close to get and so
on and so forth and what lens and blah
blah blah. So, yeah, like I commend you.
I'm sure the entire film photography
commends you. You ever shot film for a wedding?
wedding?
>> Oh, absolutely not. I'm not that risky.
It's all digital for that.
>> Yeah, that's that's tricky.
>> I would do it. My buddy shoots uh
engagement portraits on film.
>> Oh, cool.
>> And he does he does great work with it
and he keeps trying to get me to do it.
He talked me into buying this uh A2E to
try for some portrait stuff. He's like,
"Just give it a shot. If you don't like
it, you can just sell it and don't worry
about it." >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> So, I'm This is I'm going to probably
use that that for senior portrait.
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's always the like
bargaining with when it comes to like
buying a new camera, right? It's like ah
if you don't like it, you can just sell
it and then you never do, right?
>> Oh, man. I made a bad decision the other day.
day.
>> What happened, dog? You're here. This is
basically therapy. Talk to me. I'm just
spilling my guts to you at this point.
It's been on the podcast before, but I
saw this ad for lot of cameras on
Marketplace, and I didn't look into it.
I saw there was one Argus C3 camera in
this box.
>> Oh, cool. Yeah. I gave the guy $50 and
ended up with six Argus C3s,
>> four uh six Argus C44s, a Petri FT1, a
bunch of Argus Model A's and B's, and he
was just sold off his son's camera
collection because his son moved to
Japan and said he didn't want them. So,
I just have an army of old cameras I'm
never going to use that I paid $50 for.
>> He's going to Japan. He can just buy new
cameras. That's where they come from.
>> Well, you can you can sell the Arguses
in Japan. Japan and Korea for a decent
amount because it never made it over there.
there.
>> Oh, interesting. Yeah. I guess those are
Americanmade. They're made in uh
Detroit, I think. Right.
>> Detroit Ann Arbor. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Crazy. Um Yeah. Well, I guess if
you have six of them, if one of them
breaks, you have spare parts.
>> I'm just giving them away at this point. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> I've just been I I really have. I've
sent out like three of them. I think
>> you should put them in like the gift
baskets at your wedding, you know, if
you have that many.
>> We're just in lop. We didn't even invite
anybody. So
>> Oh, really? Maybe I'll just take one and
drop it off the Grand Canyon and see if
it can actually break an Argus because
those things are borderline indestructible.
indestructible.
>> Yeah. Have you been to the Grand Canyon before?
before?
>> I haven't. It's the first time we're going.
going.
>> Oh, okay. Dude, you're going as big as
you can, huh? I mean, I guess for your
wedding, you kind of have to. Yeah, it's
going to be cool.
>> We're going in November, so I don't know
what the conditions will be for November.
November.
>> Uh, I went in January of this year, and
it was pretty cold. I don't know about
November, though. It'll probably still
be warm. It's Arizona. And we wanted to
go cold enough so we didn't see the
rattlesnakes because I'm terrified of snakes.
snakes.
>> Is there a story there?
>> There is a story there, but
it's a stupid one. I was a kid sitting
on a cinder block and something kept
brushing my leg and I couldn't figure
out what it was. A snake had his head up
my shorts.
>> Oh my god.
>> Trauma for days. Never touched a snake
again in my life.
>> Okay, I would agree with that one. Yeah,
that's that's a little too close to like
some sensitive areas, I suppose.
>> And it was just a little little garter
snake, but
>> yeah, it'll definitely make you never
trust them ever again. I often do like
uh wholesale camera kits come through
your area like that.
>> Very rarely. I was shocked to see one
and the guy said he'd already had a
couple offers and I told him I could
meet him in 15 minutes. It just hap
happened to line up. I got a buddy who
um he was at a coffee shop and uh I
wasn't there, but this is just a
secondhand story and honestly he'd do a
better job at telling it, but he was at
a coffee shop and um an old uh an older
lady saw him shooting with one of his
old film cameras or something like that
and she was like, "Oh, uh I have one of
those from like my late husband or
something like that." And he's like,
"Oh, okay, cool." And she's like, "Would
you be interested in it? Would you want
to check it And he's like, "Yeah, sure."
Like, "I got a lot of film cameras.
Sure." So, she goes back to her place
real quick. Comes back and it's a Leica.
It's like a silver Leica M3.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Yeah. And she's just like, "You can hold
on to it like as long as you need to.
Like, it's just sitting around my house.
I'd rather it get used." And so, he just
kind of has this camera indefinitely
from my understanding. And I was like,
why the can that never happen to me, you know?
know?
>> Right. No, it never does. You'll end up
with something like an Argus C3.
>> You'll wind up with like a brownie or something.
something.
>> I have a couple of those.
>> Yeah, they work.
>> I don't know. I've never actually tried
to shoot those one. Those ones were
gifts and I'm not really
>> into Brownie cameras. They don't have
enough control for my liking.
>> Yeah. Every image I've seen shot on one,
they're always like soft, too. And they
have like two shutter speeds or
something like that. Is that right?
>> But they shot a lot of historical photos
on those. A bunch of Oh, yeah. Because
they were so popular. Everything from
the past is I would bet money on a
brownie being used for a good portion of them.
them.
>> Yeah, those cameras definitely had their
their time and place. I think my mom had
one actually now that I think about it.
>> You got any cameras on your like uh your
holy grail list? >> Xpan.
>> Xpan.
>> Xpan. Yeah, I just sold mine today.
>> What the [ __ ] For real? >> Yeah,
>> Yeah,
>> man. Did you sell it for a ridiculous
amount of money? I'm not gonna ask the
exact amount. It's just a nod or a
headshake. Yeah.
>> Yeah. Good.
>> I made I made money on it. Yeah,
definitely. Um and whoever bought it
from me is uh probably gonna make money
on it as long as they can keep it
working too because those things like
double in price every four years, it
seems like.
>> But they're ticking time bombs, too,
aren't they?
>> Yeah. Yeah. That's the problem. Well,
that's the problem with any like
electronic camera, right? They'll
eventually just crap out and uh you'll
be stuck with a brick.
>> That's why I'm so scared of buying any
of the contact stuff.
>> Same, dude. Yeah. Contacts made some
mechanical cameras though. Actually,
>> they have. And I've been look I've been
looking into the old SLRs.
>> Yeah, they made one that was like uh
really cool. I was actually gonna buy
one for a second. It was called the
Contact S2B.
You know those? Yeah. Fully mechanical,
but they have uh like 14,000 and Zeiss
lenses and so on so forth. They look so cool.
cool.
>> They really do. I
>> think they're titanium, too.
>> They're great looking cameras. They knew
how to make cameras. I love the way
their cameras look,
>> dude. Yeah. I wouldn't call it a grail
item, but something I want to check out
is that analog AF1 that seems to be
pushed out further and further in date
and I'm curious about.
>> Is that the the one from uh Amsterdam?
>> I believe so.
>> It's like it's coming from the
Netherlands or something like that.
>> Yeah, it has the 2.8 lens. It's It has
lidar technology for >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's I'm kind of interested in it
to see what it can do.
>> I Yeah, I hope uh I hope it works out. I
I feel like we're probably a couple
years out from that still. probably
though. Like there's still a lot that
needs to be done.
>> I think their website said mass
production was supposed to start in
September of this year.
>> No [ __ ] Wow. Well, it's almost September.
September.
>> Allegedly. Alle allegedly it is. But
it's been push pushed back a couple
times. I'm really interested in it. I
saw it when I originally saw it was like
350 bucks and now it's up to like 500.
So, I'm hoping some of those things they
actually said it could do
>> can actually do it and that they've
actually realistically priced it.
>> I hope so. Yeah. I I mean that sounds
really good. It also kind of can sound a
little too good to be true, but dude,
I'm hopeful, man. That sounds really
cool. I love What What would you rather
have? New film cameras or new film stocks?
stocks?
>> I think I'd go with film stocks because
there's so many great film cameras still
out there that are ticking and you can
get for a steal.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'd rather put like
research into funding for that for sure.
Give us a new like 800 speed. Hell, give
us a 1600 if uh if you guys can stomach
it. Yeah. I was really bitter with
Kentmir for releasing a 200 instead of
an 800 when they first released that up
until I shot Kentmir 200 and then I
really liked that. But for I like four
400 the best.
>> I've heard really good things about 200
it being like a little bit different
than the other two in the in the same
line. Um but yeah I when 200 came out I
was like who asked for this? Like why
does this exist? Like if I want to shoot
Camier 200, I can just do 100 and push
it a stop. It'll look good.
>> I don't know. It just feels different
than even It feels different than 400 to me.
me.
>> It's I don't know if it's grain
structure or what the hell's going on
with it. It's just
>> It feels more crisp than 400. Not And I
love I love 400. I bulk roll 400.
>> Yeah, same. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, do you? Yeah. It's
>> one of the few like film stocks you can
get in a bulk roll nowadays. Anyway,
>> well, did you see there's a new color
film that they just released as a bulk
roll on B&H?
>> A new color film?
>> I don't know if it's new. It's uh it's
probably respooled something. It's like
Kona color or something. I don't know.
>> Sounds familiar. Yeah,
>> it runs like almost 200 bucks for a 100
foot roll. I'm like, what the hell's in
this for that kind of price?
>> And it's a C-41 film,
>> I believe. So, yeah.
>> No, I haven't I haven't heard of that.
That sounds cool, though. I'll have to
look into it.
>> It's sitting in my cart.
>> Yeah, you just got to work up the courage.
courage.
>> There's the cart of dreams. And after
spending the amount of money I did this
weekend at a bachelor party, I'm like, I
can't buy that damn film now.
>> I have medical bills.
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Every year I do a um
this series called Anctochrome Christmas
on my channel. And
when November rolls around, I it's like
I have to add like 10 rolls of
Ectochrome to my cart and I'm just
looking at the price. I'm like, why
why do I do this?
>> It's like your own special holiday that
people look forward to and you feel like
you're let you feel like you're letting
them down if you don't. Yeah, it's like
a holiday special. Yeah. Um, yeah. I I
mean, I got into bulk rolling like
I don't even know, maybe like three or
four months before Kodak discontinued
bulk rolls, so I was like, cool,
that sucks.
>> I'm buying mine off eBay.
>> Yeah. Are you able to actually get like
a 100 foot rolls off eBay?
>> Oh, yeah. I've I got a 100 foot roll of
200T in there. I got a 100 foot roll of
500 T. and
>> 100 foot roll of Kent 400 and it's not
that bad a price on eBay and check I'm
going to ruin this thing for me by
telling you this because people will
actually watch this episode
>> Etsy. Have you checked Etsy?
>> Uh not for bulk rolls of film, but I will.
will.
>> Yes, check Etsy because did
>> Inter did you buy some of that
Aerocchrome that just got released?
>> Uh no, I didn't.
>> I was half expecting to see a new
Aerocchrome episode.
>> How much was it? because it was like it
was pretty expensive, right? It was like
200 a roll or something.
>> I I thought it was like 130.
>> Oh, it's not bad. I mean, it's still
bad, but it's not the worst.
>> Yeah, I think it was Celluloid
Collective was selling it or something
like that.
>> Did you follow that story on Reddit
about the guy who um uh he worked for
like an aerial uh I don't even know, an
aerial surveillance company or something
out in the Midwest. and uh his
um supervisor or like his company just
had like I think it was something like
70 rolls of 35 millimeter aerocchrome
sitting in their freezer because that's
how they used to do it back in the day.
Um and uh he just asked his supervisor
one day like can I take these? and his
Subaru was like, "Oh yeah, we've been
trying to get rid of those forever." And
it was 70s something rolls of air chrome
and he probably made enough to like buy
a really nice car off of it.
>> Probably want to go interview that guy.
That'd be a cool video.
>> You got me obsessed with that [ __ ] for a while.
while.
>> I was like trying to recreate it
digitally because I wasn't shooting film
at the time and I didn't want to do it
the right way.
>> Yeah, it's a lot.
>> There's ways to do it. It's just it's
not the same.
>> You're right, man. Yeah. I remember back
in the day when I first started getting
into film, Film Photography Project was
selling those for like 25 a roll or
something and I was like, "Whoa, that is
way too pricey for me. I'll buy four and
then we'll reconsider." And then uh
yeah, now obviously it's like 200 a roll
or whatever. So, good old days.
>> Some film YouTubers made it popular is
what happened.
>> Yeah. Damn them. Damn.
>> I'm sure I have thrown multiple people
I've interviewed on this podcast under
the bus about the prices of things.
Somebody will post something about a
camera. I'm like, "This is fairly well
priced. I can get this." Then the next
day the video drops and the price triples.
triples.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Does that actually happen
though, you think?
>> It absolutely [ __ ] happens.
>> Damn. I wish I could use that to my
advantage somehow.
>> See, what you do is you buy the ones you
buy a bulk box of something you know
that is dirt cheap and you're like,
"This camera's really not that bad." And
then you post them on eBay.
>> Yeah. That's all you have to say is
like, "This piece of [ __ ] camera is not
that bad."
>> Yeah. It's insider trading. Hype up a spotic.
spotic.
Yeah. Yeah. You got a couple of those?
>> I have one. I have the SP2.
>> Does it work? Because my buddy's got one
and it's jammed.
>> Oh, it's a gorgeous camera. I really
like it.
>> They are cool. Yeah, they're very cool.
Yeah. What do you uh what do you what do
you take out to shoot with most of the time?
time?
>> I love my A1 so much.
>> Just a standard Canon A1.
>> Yeah, I will use that. It's just I love
the way it feels in my hands. It reminds
me of almost a modern camera, even more
so than just more more modern camera.
It's just feels right to me.
>> Yeah. When you find the the right camera
that works for you and you just know it
inside and out, you can just hit the
streets and get whatever you need. It's beautiful.
beautiful.
>> Which one is yours?
>> You're going to hate the answer, but
this is what I always say. It's a Leica
M6. The most overhyped, overused camera
probably in film photography existence.
But man, I'll tell you,
>> it's a good camera.
I don't know. I didn't want to believe
it either, but here we are.
>> You bought into the hype.
>> I bought into the hype. Yeah. So much
so, I might even get a second one one day.
day.
>> A second one?
>> I'll wait for uh Kodak to die off and then
then
film camera prices will drop and I'll
buy a second one for no reason.
>> Kodak actually even producing their own
film or is it a separate division that
could actually afford to buy Kodak?
>> Yeah, I don't know. Actually, you
probably know more about this than I do.
>> Oh, absolutely not. It's like it's a
Laris and then there's like Kodak
Rochester I think right and they're
split and they don't control each other
but I think Aaris has like some say
about what Rochester does or something I
I I think it gets really into the weeds
like if you dig into it unfortunately
>> it does because they got some kind of
huge loan or investment a while back and
they invested it in physical printing
and pharmaceuticals.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Printers for sure was
the big thing.
>> I can't imagine that went well for them.
Like who's printing things?
>> I don't know. It was ballsy. I I was
kind of like surprised to see that their
like Q2 financial report was like we are
unsure about the future of Kodak film. I
was like because I had always heard that
like uh they made a lot of money off of
um like cinematography film for movies,
you know, and like Christopher Nolan
just finished uh the Odyssey where I
think they probably shot that entire
damn movie on like IMAX film, like lots
of it. They probably Kodak probably just
made a lot of money from that. Maybe not
enough to sustain a whole company, but
like I don't I guess I was kind of
surprised by the timing of timing of it all.
all.
>> So, what I've heard is that a lot of
their cost has sunk into former
employees retirement benefits program,
which will be ending and that should
recover a lot of their losses. I just I
bet if they opened up bulk selling to
individuals again, they'd probably make
a good chunk of money because I know
there's no way that isn't profitable.
They're probably keeping the rest of
Kodak afloat at this point.
>> Yeah. Honestly, dude, I don't I've been
to the factory. I still don't even
understand like how it all works, you
know? It's all just like
people blaming stuff on other people and
so on and so forth. Don't get me wrong,
everybody there was incredibly nice and
every Kodak employee I've ever met has
been like the coolest. Um, but yeah,
it's like half the time I talk to people
in the know, they're like, I don't know.
I don't know how it works. It's like,
does anybody know how it works?
>> It's just magic.
>> Just I guess it's all just magic, man.
Yeah. What if there was a film stock
coming back from Kodak? What would you
like to see? You ever shot any of their
old like legacy stuff? They had some
weird stuff. >> No, I had I didn't I didn't have the
>> No, I had I didn't I didn't have the budget for it
budget for it cuz I mean I'm technically an
cuz I mean I'm technically an independent contractor. So that's why
independent contractor. So that's why I'm bulk rolling as much as I can and
I'm bulk rolling as much as I can and I'll buy I'll buy odds and ends film
I'll buy I'll buy odds and ends film just to try it here and there. And
just to try it here and there. And people have been sent people have been
people have been sent people have been sending me film lately.
sending me film lately. >> Yeah. Isn't that the coolest,
>> Yeah. Isn't that the coolest, >> dude? I didn't expect that to happen.
>> dude? I didn't expect that to happen. things just started showing up and I
things just started showing up and I don't have a PO box so it's just coming
don't have a PO box so it's just coming to my house. I hope nobody wants to
to my house. I hope nobody wants to murder me. But
murder me. But >> yeah, you gotta be careful, man.
>> yeah, you gotta be careful, man. >> I'm not picky about film. I just I like
>> I'm not picky about film. I just I like the act of shooting it.
the act of shooting it. >> Yeah, you like the process. More
>> Yeah, you like the process. More hands-on process. Yeah, that's good,
hands-on process. Yeah, that's good, man. That's purist. Stay like that.
man. That's purist. Stay like that. Don't ever change.
Don't ever change. >> Do you do any home development?
>> Do you do any home development? >> No, I uh I tested out um this is nowhere
>> No, I uh I tested out um this is nowhere even close to the same thing, but I
even close to the same thing, but I tested out some like RA4 home developing
tested out some like RA4 home developing stuff, which was kind of cool. I shot
stuff, which was kind of cool. I shot like a sheet in my 8 by10 and developed
like a sheet in my 8 by10 and developed it at home and so on and so forth. But I
it at home and so on and so forth. But I was like, "Oh yeah, there's a reason I
was like, "Oh yeah, there's a reason I don't do this, you know? It's just it's
don't do this, you know? It's just it's so much like measurements and
so much like measurements and everything's got to be at the right
everything's got to be at the right temperature and I was just like I don't
temperature and I was just like I don't know. I I barely have enough time." You
know. I I barely have enough time." You understand the life, right? Like video
understand the life, right? Like video video editing just takes forever to do.
video editing just takes forever to do. Like I have to spend 90% of my life
Like I have to spend 90% of my life doing that, you know? I don't have time
doing that, you know? I don't have time to develop film. I'd rather leave it to
to develop film. I'd rather leave it to the professionals who have done it a
the professionals who have done it a thousand times.
thousand times. >> Have you ever considered outsourcing
>> Have you ever considered outsourcing your editing or do you like to be in
your editing or do you like to be in control of that project?
control of that project? >> I definitely have considered it. But um
>> I definitely have considered it. But um I think uh I'm just such a perfectionist
I think uh I'm just such a perfectionist and that goes back to like me hating all
and that goes back to like me hating all my work, you know? It's like the
my work, you know? It's like the perfectionist inside of me is like I
perfectionist inside of me is like I could have done it better. And when I'm
could have done it better. And when I'm editing at least there's some wiggle
editing at least there's some wiggle room for me to like improve parts and
room for me to like improve parts and stuff to my own like standard, I guess.
stuff to my own like standard, I guess. I guess if I had somebody to edit for
I guess if I had somebody to edit for me, I'd feel like
me, I'd feel like I'd feel like a dick just being like,
I'd feel like a dick just being like, "Oh, you you got to do this again. This
"Oh, you you got to do this again. This this sucks." You know? I'm sure there's
this sucks." You know? I'm sure there's a nice way of saying it, but I'd be I'd
a nice way of saying it, but I'd be I'd probably be a terrible boss.
probably be a terrible boss. >> Well, does Christopher Nolan edit his
>> Well, does Christopher Nolan edit his own films?
own films? >> No, but I'm not I'm not Christopher
>> No, but I'm not I'm not Christopher Nolan, man.
Nolan, man. >> Yeah. What about you? Have you ever
>> Yeah. What about you? Have you ever thought about outsourcing editing?
thought about outsourcing editing? >> I think we're on different pay grades,
>> I think we're on different pay grades, man.
man. >> I don't know about that. I mean, maybe.
>> I don't know about that. I mean, maybe. >> Yeah. It's I can't justify the cost of
>> Yeah. It's I can't justify the cost of editing if it was AI and I can pay for
editing if it was AI and I can pay for it one time. I I let people outsource
it one time. I I let people outsource their editing to me. I would never try
their editing to me. I would never try to edit anything of yours because I'm
to edit anything of yours because I'm like I just do stuff for uh music
like I just do stuff for uh music videos. So, it's all just quick cuts,
videos. So, it's all just quick cuts, heavy movement, blend it together, sync
heavy movement, blend it together, sync it to the music,
it to the music, >> dude. Yeah, that music video life is
>> dude. Yeah, that music video life is insane. I
insane. I >> I hate it,
>> I hate it, >> bro. I hated it so much when I was doing
>> bro. I hated it so much when I was doing I was freelance uh like visual effects
I was freelance uh like visual effects for music videos is kind of how I
for music videos is kind of how I started in the in Hollywood I guess and
started in the in Hollywood I guess and the turnaround time on that is insane.
the turnaround time on that is insane. It's like three days for some of them
It's like three days for some of them and it's like
and it's like how do you just not like
how do you just not like go crazy trying to like manage those
go crazy trying to like manage those turnaround times? You know,
turnaround times? You know, >> it's cool mingling with those people and
>> it's cool mingling with those people and realizing that not all of your heroes
realizing that not all of your heroes turn out to be complete douchebags.
turn out to be complete douchebags. >> Sometimes, but not always.
>> Sometimes, but not always. Yeah, that's uh yeah, that was
Yeah, that's uh yeah, that was definitely one of the benefits. Like I
definitely one of the benefits. Like I met the um I think he's like the lead
met the um I think he's like the lead singer for the Shins. I think I was like
singer for the Shins. I think I was like working on some side project of his and
working on some side project of his and that was like super cool. Is it the
that was like super cool. Is it the Shins? Dude, I can't even remember at
Shins? Dude, I can't even remember at this point. But yeah, like you uh you
this point. But yeah, like you uh you definitely you get like bragging rights
definitely you get like bragging rights about stuff like that to like other
about stuff like that to like other people who are interested in that kind
people who are interested in that kind of thing. But dude, like the burnout was
of thing. But dude, like the burnout was like so real is the problem
like so real is the problem >> because they have they have such high
>> because they have they have such high expectations then you have high
expectations then you have high expectations for yourself. It's just I
expectations for yourself. It's just I would very much like to just shoot photo
would very much like to just shoot photo full-time.
full-time. >> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a a path you
>> Yeah. Yeah. Is that like a a path you can see yourself doing uh going forward?
can see yourself doing uh going forward? >> Photo full-time? Yeah, I would love
>> Photo full-time? Yeah, I would love Yeah.
Yeah. Are you doing photo full-time? I'm
Are you doing photo full-time? I'm assuming you are at this point.
assuming you are at this point. >> Yeah. Yeah. YouTube is my full-time job
>> Yeah. Yeah. YouTube is my full-time job for sure. you still love it or is it
for sure. you still love it or is it stressful?
stressful? >> That's a very complicated question. Um,
>> That's a very complicated question. Um, I do love it most of the time, more than
I do love it most of the time, more than any other job I've ever had, but you
any other job I've ever had, but you know, when you when it's getting close
know, when you when it's getting close to that like 90th hour that you've
to that like 90th hour that you've worked that week,
worked that week, you're just you're just over it, you
you're just you're just over it, you know? And I mean, you work for yourself,
know? And I mean, you work for yourself, it sounds like to some degree or maybe a
it sounds like to some degree or maybe a 100% of the time, I don't know. But like
100% of the time, I don't know. But like did you ever find it hard to like be
did you ever find it hard to like be your own boss kind of and manage your
your own boss kind of and manage your time?
time? >> Lists have changed my life. This whole
>> Lists have changed my life. This whole wall right here is a chalkboard wall
wall right here is a chalkboard wall >> and I'll just jot notes and stuff on it
>> and I'll just jot notes and stuff on it when I want to
when I want to >> if I there's a thing I need to get done.
>> if I there's a thing I need to get done. If the list isn't made, it isn't getting
If the list isn't made, it isn't getting done the next day. So after this, it's
done the next day. So after this, it's going to be edit podcast with Jason
going to be edit podcast with Jason >> and do this, do that, post, schedule
>> and do this, do that, post, schedule podcast. I try to
podcast. I try to >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> If I don't do that.
>> If I don't do that. >> Exactly.
>> Exactly. >> Take painkillers. Exactly. Damn. I for I
>> Take painkillers. Exactly. Damn. I for I did forget to take painkillers. I should
did forget to take painkillers. I should I should have put it on a list, but my
I should have put it on a list, but my my buddy was just telling me about this
my buddy was just telling me about this AI app. Uh hang on a sec.
AI app. Uh hang on a sec. I'm going to find it cuz he highly
I'm going to find it cuz he highly highly recommended it. It's called
highly recommended it. It's called Notion,
Notion, but it's it's like an AI assistance that
but it's it's like an AI assistance that will assistant that will
will assistant that will organize everything for you. So, if you
organize everything for you. So, if you put in, I have something to do this day
put in, I have something to do this day that needs to be done at this time, it
that needs to be done at this time, it will organize it across all your
will organize it across all your schedules for you and tell you when it
schedules for you and tell you when it needs to be done. Yeah. So, it kind of
needs to be done. Yeah. So, it kind of builds your own work schedule.
builds your own work schedule. >> That's kind of cool.
>> That's kind of cool. >> I'm really interested in trying it. I
>> I'm really interested in trying it. I haven't tried it yet, but I'm getting to
haven't tried it yet, but I'm getting to that point cuz coming down here being
that point cuz coming down here being covered in chalk dust ain't doing it for
covered in chalk dust ain't doing it for me.
me. >> Do you get that thing when if you use a
>> Do you get that thing when if you use a chalk that it just kind of feels like
chalk that it just kind of feels like >> this? Not so bad cuz it's just the chalk
>> this? Not so bad cuz it's just the chalk paint, but old chalk I have an old chalk
paint, but old chalk I have an old chalk >> paint. It's like it's just dry material
>> paint. It's like it's just dry material rubbing against dry material and you're
rubbing against dry material and you're like, "Ah, stop." You know,
like, "Ah, stop." You know, >> what's worse than that for me is micro
>> what's worse than that for me is micro microfiber material. I
microfiber material. I >> do not like that [ __ ] It clings.
>> do not like that [ __ ] It clings. >> There's not enough people talking about
>> There's not enough people talking about that [ __ ] Yeah, it clings to my hands,
that [ __ ] Yeah, it clings to my hands, too, like I'm Spider-Man or something.
too, like I'm Spider-Man or something. >> Do you bite your nails?
>> Do you bite your nails? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I think it's people who bite their
>> I think it's people who bite their nails. I I need to do a research study
nails. I I need to do a research study on this and release it to some to
on this and release it to some to somebody, but I bite my nails and it
somebody, but I bite my nails and it gets caught on all the little hangails
gets caught on all the little hangails and stuff.
and stuff. >> Yeah. Yeah. Do you do it because of it's
>> Yeah. Yeah. Do you do it because of it's like an anxiety thing?
like an anxiety thing? >> Oh, absolutely. It's 100% anxiety.
>> Oh, absolutely. It's 100% anxiety. >> I've done it since I was a kid. Yeah. I
>> I've done it since I was a kid. Yeah. I just can't seem to shake it. I guess
just can't seem to shake it. I guess it's better than just like smoking two
it's better than just like smoking two packs a day, you know? But that's like
packs a day, you know? But that's like it. There are weird side effects for
it. There are weird side effects for sure. Have you ever thought about doing
sure. Have you ever thought about doing like a YouTube channel? I I know you got
like a YouTube channel? I I know you got this, but
this, but >> bombed so [ __ ] bad. I was bad at it.
>> bombed so [ __ ] bad. I was bad at it. I was like the poor man's Jason Cfeld.
I was like the poor man's Jason Cfeld. >> What uh you were bad at it? What What
>> What uh you were bad at it? What What was What was wrong with it? My I think
was What was wrong with it? My I think it's my area is boring and I ran out of
it's my area is boring and I ran out of motiv I ran out of motivation of things
motiv I ran out of motivation of things to shoot. I am I have been working on a
to shoot. I am I have been working on a vlog about Polaroid.
vlog about Polaroid. >> Okay.
>> Okay. >> Because I there was a Polaroid in that
>> Because I there was a Polaroid in that box of Arguses. I got
box of Arguses. I got >> a Polaroid camera.
>> a Polaroid camera. >> Yeah, a Polaroid camera. And I fell in
>> Yeah, a Polaroid camera. And I fell in love with Instant Film for a second
love with Instant Film for a second >> and spent too much money and now I'm
>> and spent too much money and now I'm looking at inst Instax wides.
looking at inst Instax wides. >> Oh boy.
>> Oh boy. >> Do you do you have gear acquisition
>> Do you do you have gear acquisition syndrome? You get that?
syndrome? You get that? >> Oh, bad. Yeah, bad. I I keep like a list
>> Oh, bad. Yeah, bad. I I keep like a list on my computer of like all the gear I
on my computer of like all the gear I want to buy one day when I like I
want to buy one day when I like I finally get money in, which never
finally get money in, which never happens. And so it's like
happens. And so it's like it it's just bad. I think the
it it's just bad. I think the I think actually I kind of had like a
I think actually I kind of had like a spiritual awakening. Not not literally,
spiritual awakening. Not not literally, but I was riding through the Mojave at
but I was riding through the Mojave at the end of this trip. It was hot as
the end of this trip. It was hot as balls. And I'm just like on this
balls. And I'm just like on this motorcycle like I got bigger better
motorcycle like I got bigger better things to do than just like buy cameras.
things to do than just like buy cameras. Like I can The fun part is shooting the
Like I can The fun part is shooting the cameras, not acquiring like all the
cameras, not acquiring like all the cameras I possibly can that I think look
cameras I possibly can that I think look cool, you know? So I kind of had this
cool, you know? So I kind of had this like realization like I really don't
like realization like I really don't need to keep buying cameras. I don't
need to keep buying cameras. I don't think I think like I've got some [ __ ]
think I think like I've got some [ __ ] that is pretty good. Like where do you
that is pretty good. Like where do you how do you beat a Mamia 7? How do you
how do you beat a Mamia 7? How do you beat a Leica M6, you know?
beat a Leica M6, you know? I've got everything I need. It I just
I've got everything I need. It I just like need to just go out and shoot with
like need to just go out and shoot with them more. I think that's the problem.
them more. I think that's the problem. >> Do you buy stuff to feel motivated to go
>> Do you buy stuff to feel motivated to go out and shoot more? Is that what you
out and shoot more? Is that what you think it is where if I only had this,
think it is where if I only had this, I'd want to go out and shoot more if I
I'd want to go out and shoot more if I had this just to see what it was like.
had this just to see what it was like. The experience of shooting that camera
The experience of shooting that camera will motivate you to create something
will motivate you to create something new that you may not have before.
new that you may not have before. >> No, I've I've heard that from a lot of
>> No, I've I've heard that from a lot of people that that is like kind of a a
people that that is like kind of a a good motivation. I've actually heard
good motivation. I've actually heard that from a lot of people who shoot
that from a lot of people who shoot digital more than like film to be
digital more than like film to be honest. Um, no, I don't I don't do that.
honest. Um, no, I don't I don't do that. Most of the time I buy cameras because
Most of the time I buy cameras because like I think it would make an
like I think it would make an interesting video or like this camera
interesting video or like this camera does something different that people
does something different that people might be interested in or something like
might be interested in or something like that. But I've kind of been focusing a
that. But I've kind of been focusing a little bit more on just like getting out
little bit more on just like getting out and shooting and traveling more in my in
and shooting and traveling more in my in my video work. So, um, less and le too
my video work. So, um, less and le too is like,
is like, uh, they're not really making like new
uh, they're not really making like new film cameras. There is like a limit on
film cameras. There is like a limit on the amount of research you can do. You
the amount of research you can do. You can see every film camera that was ever
can see every film camera that was ever made for the most part and that's that.
made for the most part and that's that. It's not like they're pumping out a new
It's not like they're pumping out a new film camera every year. So, once you
film camera every year. So, once you kind of hit that limit, you're
kind of hit that limit, you're what is what what's next? You know,
what is what what's next? You know, >> what's next? Yeah, you have a finite
>> what's next? Yeah, you have a finite resource.
resource. >> What about you? So, it seems like you
>> What about you? So, it seems like you got your your gear acquisition under
got your your gear acquisition under control.
control. >> So, it it really is mostly under control
>> So, it it really is mostly under control cuz a lot of my stuff was cheap or
cuz a lot of my stuff was cheap or gifted to me. My A1 was gifted to me. My
gifted to me. My A1 was gifted to me. My uh buddy's dad shot film. He passed away
uh buddy's dad shot film. He passed away >> and he had it sitting in a dry box for
>> and he had it sitting in a dry box for years and then he just gave it to me one
years and then he just gave it to me one day.
day. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> I I really I am more invested in film
>> I I really I am more invested in film than I do into the cameras themselves.
than I do into the cameras themselves. >> Hell yeah, dude. which is wild for me to
>> Hell yeah, dude. which is wild for me to say because I have like this wall of
say because I have like this wall of cameras back here and but it makes good
cameras back here and but it makes good set dressing. Half those don't work.
set dressing. Half those don't work. >> You have more invested in film than
>> You have more invested in film than cameras. Does that mean you have like a
cameras. Does that mean you have like a huge fridge full of film?
huge fridge full of film? >> A mini fridge.
>> A mini fridge. >> Mini fridge. Yeah, I got two mini
>> Mini fridge. Yeah, I got two mini fridges full of film.
fridges full of film. >> Oh, double the problem that I do.
>> Oh, double the problem that I do. >> Dude, I the other I think it was like a
>> Dude, I the other I think it was like a year ago now. I went through the both of
year ago now. I went through the both of them because they were just like filled
them because they were just like filled to the brim. I couldn't even close them.
to the brim. I couldn't even close them. And I was like, I need to just like get
And I was like, I need to just like get rid of film that I know I'm never going
rid of film that I know I'm never going to shoot. So, I anti out like three huge
to shoot. So, I anti out like three huge ziplockc bags full of film that I just
ziplockc bags full of film that I just like would give to people or like donate
like would give to people or like donate or whatever. And I got rid of like all
or whatever. And I got rid of like all that film and I still like my film
that film and I still like my film freezers still won't close. It doesn't
freezers still won't close. It doesn't make any sense.
make any sense. >> Nothing has changed.
>> Nothing has changed. >> Yeah, it's insane. And I just got back
>> Yeah, it's insane. And I just got back from a trip to Arizona shooting like
from a trip to Arizona shooting like tons and tons of large format. I think I
tons and tons of large format. I think I shot like a hundred sheets of something
shot like a hundred sheets of something and it's like got rid of a bunch of
and it's like got rid of a bunch of those bigger boxes and stuff too and the
those bigger boxes and stuff too and the damn thing still won't close. It's
damn thing still won't close. It's insane. It doesn't make any sense.
insane. It doesn't make any sense. >> What's it mostly filled with?
>> What's it mostly filled with? >> Honestly, retrochrome. Have you ever
>> Honestly, retrochrome. Have you ever shot that stuff?
shot that stuff? >> I haven't. My buddy has some. He's got
>> I haven't. My buddy has some. He's got that and a fridge full of Velvia and
that and a fridge full of Velvia and Provia right now.
Provia right now. >> Whoa. Tell me where he lives.
>> Whoa. Tell me where he lives. >> You need the coordinates. Hey, he he
>> You need the coordinates. Hey, he he wheels and deals, man.
wheels and deals, man. >> Yeah. Is that what he does? That's just
>> Yeah. Is that what he does? That's just part of it. He uh he flips a lot of film
part of it. He uh he flips a lot of film and then buys he he will flip some and
and then buys he he will flip some and then buy more with what he flipped with
then buy more with what he flipped with and then keep half of that, sell the
and then keep half of that, sell the other half.
other half. >> Whoa. He's got a whole system.
>> Whoa. He's got a whole system. >> You think my gear acquisition syndrome
>> You think my gear acquisition syndrome is bad? He has like nine cabinets full
is bad? He has like nine cabinets full of high-end cameras.
of high-end cameras. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> He's got a a 645 I was thinking about
>> He's got a a 645 I was thinking about buying for a minute,
buying for a minute, >> dude. Yeah.
>> dude. Yeah. >> He ended up trading it for a Leica
>> He ended up trading it for a Leica something with an insanely expensive
something with an insanely expensive lens. This kid didn't know what it was
lens. This kid didn't know what it was worth. And the guys the kid's like, I
worth. And the guys the kid's like, I don't care what it is. I just want that.
don't care what it is. I just want that. Why doesn't that ever happen to me? Why
Why doesn't that ever happen to me? Why doesn't it ever happen to us, dog?
doesn't it ever happen to us, dog? >> I couldn't with good faith steal from
>> I couldn't with good faith steal from some dumb teenager who got interested in
some dumb teenager who got interested in film for a minute and then sold
film for a minute and then sold something expensive.
something expensive. >> I'd want I'd want to.
>> I'd want I'd want to. >> I Yeah, I think you and I are the same
>> I Yeah, I think you and I are the same in that way. I was uh I was out shooting
in that way. I was uh I was out shooting a video and uh this older gentleman came
a video and uh this older gentleman came up to me and he was like, "You shooting
up to me and he was like, "You shooting with a film camera, huh?" And I was
with a film camera, huh?" And I was like, "Yeah, man. That's that's kind of
like, "Yeah, man. That's that's kind of what I do. It's my thing." And he's
what I do. It's my thing." And he's like, "Yeah, I got a again, it was a
like, "Yeah, I got a again, it was a Leica M3. I don't know why everyone has
Leica M3. I don't know why everyone has a like M3 just sitting around in their
a like M3 just sitting around in their attic, but he's like, "Yeah, it was my
attic, but he's like, "Yeah, it was my dad's. Like, it's just kind of sitting
dad's. Like, it's just kind of sitting around and stuff." And he was like, "I
around and stuff." And he was like, "I don't know what to do with it. Would you
don't know what to do with it. Would you be interested?" And I was like, "Yeah,
be interested?" And I was like, "Yeah, yeah, 100%." But then he's like, "I was
yeah, 100%." But then he's like, "I was also thinking of maybe donating it to
also thinking of maybe donating it to the like local photography classes at
the like local photography classes at the nearby college." And I was like,
the nearby college." And I was like, "Look, man,
"Look, man, you should do that. Don't give it to
you should do that. Don't give it to me."
me." and I had to like take the higher road
and I had to like take the higher road and it hurt but it was like
and it hurt but it was like >> I hate to be the bearer of bad news on
>> I hate to be the bearer of bad news on this but I know people who work in those
this but I know people who work in those programs and things that people donate
programs and things that people donate to those the professors will take them
to those the professors will take them and then donate something worse.
and then donate something worse. >> Oh and they put it
>> Oh and they put it >> like the professor will be it'll be
>> like the professor will be it'll be donated to this program. The professor
donated to this program. The professor will be like well thank you. Yeah, we'll
will be like well thank you. Yeah, we'll put this to use. They'll take that they
put this to use. They'll take that they take that home with them and then they
take that home with them and then they bring back a Pentax spot.
bring back a Pentax spot. >> Okay. So I should I should have taken
>> Okay. So I should I should have taken it.
it. >> Are you Are you taking You're like damn
>> Are you Are you taking You're like damn it. I should have took that camera.
it. I should have took that camera. >> Damn it.
>> Damn it. >> Are you taking any more any commissions
>> Are you taking any more any commissions or anything like that for your work?
or anything like that for your work? >> Yeah, not not very often. Um,
>> Yeah, not not very often. Um, that that would be like the dream, but I
that that would be like the dream, but I don't know if like my style really
don't know if like my style really translates to like
translates to like things people are interested in. I've
things people are interested in. I've had a few people reach out about wanting
had a few people reach out about wanting to purchase
to purchase the like 8 by10 or 4x5 slides, like the
the like 8 by10 or 4x5 slides, like the actual physical slides of these sheet
actual physical slides of these sheet film shot that I've taken. And um I
film shot that I've taken. And um I thought that was kind of cool, but I'd
thought that was kind of cool, but I'd have to like charge a lot of money cuz
have to like charge a lot of money cuz like what's going to happen one day if I
like what's going to happen one day if I want that shot back and I want to rescan
want that shot back and I want to rescan it higher quality or
it higher quality or or like I'm doing a gallery or something
or like I'm doing a gallery or something and I need like an insane resolution or
and I need like an insane resolution or something to do it.
something to do it. >> That's like selling your worldwide
>> That's like selling your worldwide rights as a photographer for an image.
rights as a photographer for an image. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And that's not cheap.
>> And that's not cheap. >> No. Yeah. Especially something that's as
>> No. Yeah. Especially something that's as beautiful as like slide. I mean, I
beautiful as like slide. I mean, I assume you shot slide.
assume you shot slide. >> I'm scared of it.
>> I'm scared of it. >> You're scared of it? What What's going
>> You're scared of it? What What's going on, man? Talk talk me through it.
on, man? Talk talk me through it. >> I haven't looked into it enough.
>> I haven't looked into it enough. >> Uh, okay. Is it the developing thing?
>> Uh, okay. Is it the developing thing? Like E6 is
Like E6 is >> Yeah,
>> Yeah, >> it's the developing.
>> it's the developing. >> You know what scares you even more? I
>> You know what scares you even more? I didn't even know this about E6, but my
didn't even know this about E6, but my buddy uh Emergency developed some
buddy uh Emergency developed some ectochrome for me like a couple months
ectochrome for me like a couple months ago. Um, he pulls it out of the
ago. Um, he pulls it out of the container and it looks kind of like
container and it looks kind of like faded in general. I'm like, "Oh, dude, I
faded in general. I'm like, "Oh, dude, I screwed up. He screwed up. I don't
screwed up. He screwed up. I don't know." I'm looking at it and then he
know." I'm looking at it and then he hangs it up, doesn't say anything, and
hangs it up, doesn't say anything, and like 10 minutes later it's like perfect.
like 10 minutes later it's like perfect. The blacks are perfect. Everything's
The blacks are perfect. Everything's like as it should be. And I was like,
like as it should be. And I was like, that is so weird that it's like not done
that is so weird that it's like not done when you pull it out of the tank.
when you pull it out of the tank. >> I wonder if it's light.
>> I wonder if it's light. >> I don't know. Is is C-41 like that?
>> I don't know. Is is C-41 like that? >> No, C-41 is it it comes out of the
>> No, C-41 is it it comes out of the developing tank and it's you just hang
developing tank and it's you just hang it up to dry.
it up to dry. >> I was surprised how faded it looked. I
>> I was surprised how faded it looked. I thought something was messed up, but
thought something was messed up, but then like minutes later it was it was
then like minutes later it was it was all good. Yeah, you should try it
all good. Yeah, you should try it sometime, man.
sometime, man. >> I should Have you Have you ever tried
>> I should Have you Have you ever tried using a Patterson tank for developing?
using a Patterson tank for developing? Have you done that before?
Have you done that before? >> I haven't. Um I've had like people who I
>> I haven't. Um I've had like people who I I've asked to like emergency develop
I've asked to like emergency develop some films because I need to get a video
some films because I need to get a video out or something, but um and that's
out or something, but um and that's typically what they use. I assume that's
typically what they use. I assume that's what you use too, right? Yeah.
what you use too, right? Yeah. >> Do you have the full like setup with
>> Do you have the full like setup with like the machine thing that rotates it?
like the machine thing that rotates it? >> No. It makes it look It makes it look
>> No. It makes it look It makes it look way more complicated than it is. I can
way more complicated than it is. I can have I can have a roll of black and
have I can have a roll of black and white done and out of my dark room in
white done and out of my dark room in less than 20 minutes.
less than 20 minutes. >> Dude, that's kind of cool. That like
>> Dude, that's kind of cool. That like just the idea of going out to shoot
just the idea of going out to shoot something that day, coming home,
something that day, coming home, developing it in 20, 25 minutes,
developing it in 20, 25 minutes, whatever, and actually seeing your
whatever, and actually seeing your results
results on film is like such a cool concept.
on film is like such a cool concept. That to me gets me excited.
That to me gets me excited. >> It is. And it's it's easy as hell. You
>> It is. And it's it's easy as hell. You should do it. It's so easy, dude. I know
should do it. It's so easy, dude. I know you say you don't have time, but do it
you say you don't have time, but do it for one roll. It is It is not that much
for one roll. It is It is not that much to get involved. You can even do color.
to get involved. You can even do color. The C41 kits are $19. The Patterson tags
The C41 kits are $19. The Patterson tags 30 bucks.
30 bucks. >> I always feel like I'm not a 100% real
>> I always feel like I'm not a 100% real film photographer because I don't
film photographer because I don't develop my own film.
develop my own film. >> I could see for color. You Yeah, you
>> I could see for color. You Yeah, you shoot a lot and you put out way more
shoot a lot and you put out way more videos than me. Well, I don't know. At
videos than me. Well, I don't know. At this point, I'm probably putting out
this point, I'm probably putting out more videos, but your videos require
more videos, but your videos require more editing than the podcast.
more editing than the podcast. >> Quite long. Yeah. I've noticed you
>> Quite long. Yeah. I've noticed you putting out longer videos of higher
putting out longer videos of higher quality as opposed to trying to put out
quality as opposed to trying to put out a video every certain amount. You're
a video every certain amount. You're averaging what? One a month, one every
averaging what? One a month, one every three weeks, something like that.
three weeks, something like that. >> Yeah, I think the goal is one a month.
>> Yeah, I think the goal is one a month. Yeah. And then I might spit out some
Yeah. And then I might spit out some like smaller videos if uh if like the
like smaller videos if uh if like the subject is interesting or something like
subject is interesting or something like that. Yeah. If it's any compliment, my
that. Yeah. If it's any compliment, my fiance, who doesn't give a [ __ ] about
fiance, who doesn't give a [ __ ] about photography, one bit, is annoyed with
photography, one bit, is annoyed with every bit of my photography life, will
every bit of my photography life, will text me from work, be like, "Jason
text me from work, be like, "Jason released a new video. We're going to
released a new video. We're going to watch it tonight." And I'm like, "Oh,
watch it tonight." And I'm like, "Oh, great. Hell yeah." So, that means she
great. Hell yeah." So, that means she actively subscribes to your channel and
actively subscribes to your channel and she doesn't even subscribe to my
she doesn't even subscribe to my podcast.
podcast. >> Oh, damn.
>> Oh, damn. >> Yeah. I'm like, "Thanks for the support.
>> Yeah. I'm like, "Thanks for the support. I love you."
I love you." >> Do you watch it on like your like TV in
>> Do you watch it on like your like TV in your living room while you're like
your living room while you're like eating dinner and stuff?
eating dinner and stuff? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Oh, that's cool, man. That's really
>> Oh, that's cool, man. That's really awesome.
awesome. >> My kid is so excited that I'm talking to
>> My kid is so excited that I'm talking to you.
you. >> Oh, really?
>> Oh, really? >> Yeah. He's 11. He's like, "You're
>> Yeah. He's 11. He's like, "You're talking to Granny Days?" I'm like,
talking to Granny Days?" I'm like, "Yeah." He's like, "Is the podcast that
"Yeah." He's like, "Is the podcast that big?" I'm like, "No, I'm just that lucky
big?" I'm like, "No, I'm just that lucky right now, bud."
right now, bud." >> No, I think what you got going for the
>> No, I think what you got going for the podcast is like you're just having a
podcast is like you're just having a conversation. It doesn't feel like
conversation. It doesn't feel like forced or planned or anything. And like
forced or planned or anything. And like I appreciate that. I'm sure every other
I appreciate that. I'm sure every other guest you've had appreciates that. It
guest you've had appreciates that. It just feels like something different.
just feels like something different. >> I have the gift of being able to
>> I have the gift of being able to [ __ ] with people and stumble my way
[ __ ] with people and stumble my way through a conversation here and there.
through a conversation here and there. And it's just
And it's just >> I said it in an earlier podcast and I
>> I said it in an earlier podcast and I think it's people just like me better
think it's people just like me better when I'm bouncing off somebody else's
when I'm bouncing off somebody else's energy as opposed to just being the lone
energy as opposed to just being the lone talking head in front of the camera.
talking head in front of the camera. >> Yeah, you work better as like a duo or
>> Yeah, you work better as like a duo or something.
something. >> More of the wit comes out as opposed to
>> More of the wit comes out as opposed to the script.
the script. >> Yeah, you were dropping some crazy puns
>> Yeah, you were dropping some crazy puns earlier, so I totally believe you.
earlier, so I totally believe you. >> Uh do how much of yours is scripted?
>> Uh do how much of yours is scripted? >> I like my videos.
>> I like my videos. >> Your videos?
>> Your videos? >> Uh
>> Uh I don't know how to give like a straight
I don't know how to give like a straight answer on this. I would say it's like my
answer on this. I would say it's like my videos are outlined and the jokes are
videos are outlined and the jokes are kind of like mostly there. Like the
kind of like mostly there. Like the punchlines are there. Getting to the
punchlines are there. Getting to the punchlines is like it changes all the
punchlines is like it changes all the time. Have you ever seen like a stand-up
time. Have you ever seen like a stand-up comedian?
comedian? >> Yeah. Were you working on the bits?
>> Yeah. Were you working on the bits? >> Yeah. But like a stand-up comedian, if
>> Yeah. But like a stand-up comedian, if you go and see him one night and then go
you go and see him one night and then go back the second night, like the jokes
back the second night, like the jokes are going to be the same with like
are going to be the same with like little changes, like nothing substantial
little changes, like nothing substantial or anything. I kind of liken it to that
or anything. I kind of liken it to that a little bit where it's like it is like
a little bit where it's like it is like a preset
a preset thing, but it's not written out like
thing, but it's not written out like word for word or anything. It's it's
word for word or anything. It's it's kind of like I wish I could show you,
kind of like I wish I could show you, but it's like um okay, in this section
but it's like um okay, in this section like I want to talk about the legacy of
like I want to talk about the legacy of Kodak Gold or whatever and maybe you can
Kodak Gold or whatever and maybe you can make a joke about how like everybody
make a joke about how like everybody makes 200 ISO film now or something and
makes 200 ISO film now or something and so on and so forth. Come up come up with
so on and so forth. Come up come up with it on the day or something.
it on the day or something. >> I had to do that in college. They called
>> I had to do that in college. They called it an improvised speech where you just
it an improvised speech where you just had bulletin points and then you rift in
had bulletin points and then you rift in between that.
between that. >> Yeah, I improvised speech. Okay, that's
>> Yeah, I improvised speech. Okay, that's what I'm gonna start telling people from
what I'm gonna start telling people from now on. Um I think it's like akin to
now on. Um I think it's like akin to that. There is like a detailed outline
that. There is like a detailed outline for every video of just like make sure
for every video of just like make sure you hit these talking points because
you hit these talking points because somebody in the comments will light you
somebody in the comments will light you up if you don't, but otherwise like
up if you don't, but otherwise like Yeah,
Yeah, >> you need to get years right and little
>> you need to get years right and little facts here and there right. They will
facts here and there right. They will eat you alive.
eat you alive. >> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so crazy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. It's so crazy. You have to like fact check everything
You have to like fact check everything and I still get stuff wrong.
and I still get stuff wrong. >> Oh yeah. Well, the thing is when you get
>> Oh yeah. Well, the thing is when you get stuff wrong, it drives engagement
stuff wrong, it drives engagement because then people will argue in the
because then people will argue in the comments about it.
comments about it. >> So, we're incentivizing the arguing at
>> So, we're incentivizing the arguing at this point.
this point. >> Yeah. Might as well just lie the whole
>> Yeah. Might as well just lie the whole video.
video. >> You should just put out one video of all
>> You should just put out one video of all lies and see how many agree. See how
lies and see how many agree. See how many disagree.
many disagree. >> Film photography was invented in 2012
>> Film photography was invented in 2012 and you can make Lommo Purple look like
and you can make Lommo Purple look like anything. You don't have to buy Portra
anything. You don't have to buy Portra 400. Have you shot purple?
400. Have you shot purple? >> Oh yeah, for sure. I've shot it so much
>> Oh yeah, for sure. I've shot it so much because I don't know if people were
because I don't know if people were messing with me, but they were like, you
messing with me, but they were like, you can make purple look like arerocchrome.
can make purple look like arerocchrome. >> Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. Okay. >> All the times. Like I kept trying it and
>> All the times. Like I kept trying it and trying it and I could never [ __ ] do
trying it and I could never [ __ ] do it.
it. >> Did you use the orange filter?
>> Did you use the orange filter? >> I've tried that. Yeah. No, no luck. I
>> I've tried that. Yeah. No, no luck. I think I don't know. I assume you've
think I don't know. I assume you've tried. You're having such a visceral
tried. You're having such a visceral reaction. No, because I've seen all
reaction. No, because I've seen all these comments and especially on there's
these comments and especially on there's this there's this one Reddit thread and
this there's this one Reddit thread and you've probably seen it where this guy's
you've probably seen it where this guy's like this is how this guy got his lomo
like this is how this guy got his lomo purple to look like arerocchrome and I
purple to look like arerocchrome and I click it and it's these gorgeous photos
click it and it's these gorgeous photos of like deer and stuff.
of like deer and stuff. >> I was like I got to try this and
>> I was like I got to try this and >> I almost bought a bulk box of it for 230
>> I almost bought a bulk box of it for 230 bucks,
bucks, >> you know. Yeah, I kind of gave up on
>> you know. Yeah, I kind of gave up on purple in that sense. I um but I have
purple in that sense. I um but I have heard that uh LMO turquoise you can
heard that uh LMO turquoise you can shoot it just no filter, no nothing.
shoot it just no filter, no nothing. It'll come out looking like uh turquoise
It'll come out looking like uh turquoise and orange or whatever. And then you
and orange or whatever. And then you take it after you scan it and invert the
take it after you scan it and invert the hue wheel 180 degrees. Does that make
hue wheel 180 degrees. Does that make any sense?
any sense? >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> And it looks it'll you might have to
>> And it looks it'll you might have to like wiggle it around a little bit and
like wiggle it around a little bit and see what you can do, but it kind of gets
see what you can do, but it kind of gets you there, you know, to like a air
you there, you know, to like a air chrome look. So, I'm I'm gonna try it in
chrome look. So, I'm I'm gonna try it in a video one of these days, but haven't
a video one of these days, but haven't gotten around to it.
gotten around to it. >> Man, your production schedule must be
>> Man, your production schedule must be insane.
insane. >> Yeah, I Yeah, definitely is.
>> Yeah, I Yeah, definitely is. >> You said you're not great at being your
>> You said you're not great at being your own boss because of time management and
own boss because of time management and stuff. Do you think if you managed
stuff. Do you think if you managed yourself better, you'd be happier in the
yourself better, you'd be happier in the long run with your videos and not quite
long run with your videos and not quite Do you procrastinate on the things and
Do you procrastinate on the things and then rush to do stuff or are you just
then rush to do stuff or are you just nitpicking the finished product over and
nitpicking the finished product over and over?
over? >> I think it definitely makes both. You
>> I think it definitely makes both. You know what the really the issue is? Like
know what the really the issue is? Like um here's a good example. Right before I
um here's a good example. Right before I left for this trip to South Dakota, I
left for this trip to South Dakota, I was working on uh a recent video I was
was working on uh a recent video I was doing about large format. And um it's an
doing about large format. And um it's an hour and a half long, which is like how
hour and a half long, which is like how long some movies are, right? So it's
long some movies are, right? So it's basically an hour and a half long
basically an hour and a half long documentary. It's not to the same level
documentary. It's not to the same level as like a Hollywood movie or anything
as like a Hollywood movie or anything like that, but it's still an hour and a
like that, but it's still an hour and a half. And I want as much of it as I can
half. And I want as much of it as I can to be perfect. So I'm working on that.
to be perfect. So I'm working on that. like from 7:00 a.m. to like midnight
like from 7:00 a.m. to like midnight every day for like a week and a half
every day for like a week and a half just trying to get it done, doing as
just trying to get it done, doing as much as I can before I have to leave for
much as I can before I have to leave for this trip to South Dakota. Meanwhile,
this trip to South Dakota. Meanwhile, another company is like hitting me up
another company is like hitting me up about like, "Hey, can you pump out a
about like, "Hey, can you pump out a video about this film stock or can you
video about this film stock or can you pump out a video about this camera?" And
pump out a video about this camera?" And I'm trying to like juggle that. I'm
I'm trying to like juggle that. I'm like, "Well, if you get the camera to me
like, "Well, if you get the camera to me before I go to South Dakota, I can do
before I go to South Dakota, I can do that video while I'm in South Dakota."
that video while I'm in South Dakota." And so I'm trying to like pre do
And so I'm trying to like pre do pre-production on videos that I haven't
pre-production on videos that I haven't even shot yet while I'm doing
even shot yet while I'm doing post-production on like this hour and a
post-production on like this hour and a half long documentary I guess you can
half long documentary I guess you can call it and it's just like you're trying
call it and it's just like you're trying to juggle like way too much crap and
to juggle like way too much crap and you know it it all just becomes
you know it it all just becomes overwhelming and then you know the
overwhelming and then you know the company gets back to you and it's like
company gets back to you and it's like we can't get to the the camera to you by
we can't get to the the camera to you by then. So you're like okay I'll worry
then. So you're like okay I'll worry about that later. I gotta worry about
about that later. I gotta worry about this and this. And
this and this. And to put it in simple terms, basically
to put it in simple terms, basically you're in pre-production, production,
you're in pre-production, production, and then post-production constantly. All
and then post-production constantly. All three of those things at the same time
three of those things at the same time for different videos at different times.
for different videos at different times. >> And it's just you.
>> And it's just you. >> It's just me. I'm the only guy who's got
>> It's just me. I'm the only guy who's got to make this, you know, boat sail. So,
to make this, you know, boat sail. So, it it is a lot. Yeah. Um, but it's still
it it is a lot. Yeah. Um, but it's still the best job I've ever had, I think.
the best job I've ever had, I think. Yeah. You ever feel like that? You're in
Yeah. You ever feel like that? You're in that world too, man.
that world too, man. >> I don't know. I kind of thrive in the
>> I don't know. I kind of thrive in the chaos of it a little bit. I because I
chaos of it a little bit. I because I came from screen printing and printing
came from screen printing and printing t-shirts non-stop and that world was
t-shirts non-stop and that world was chaos and I did that for 17 years before
chaos and I did that for 17 years before I transitioned over to I transitioned to
I transitioned over to I transitioned to design then photography and then there
design then photography and then there was a back injury and the back injury is
was a back injury and the back injury is why I had to transition into
why I had to transition into photography. And I don't know, there's I
photography. And I don't know, there's I feel pressure to do well in podcast.
feel pressure to do well in podcast. Like I definitely had the sweats before
Like I definitely had the sweats before doing every single episode.
doing every single episode. >> You'll get over it eventually. I think
>> You'll get over it eventually. I think >> it's already been I don't know. I'm
>> it's already been I don't know. I'm socially awkward. I hate I hate talking
socially awkward. I hate I hate talking to strangers. It's just I worry too much
to strangers. It's just I worry too much about what strangers think about me.
about what strangers think about me. >> Yeah, we all do. I think. You know, some
>> Yeah, we all do. I think. You know, some people are just better at showing it or
people are just better at showing it or not showing it.
not showing it. >> I don't care at this point. I just like
>> I don't care at this point. I just like talking about photography and meeting
talking about photography and meeting new people and bullshitting because I
new people and bullshitting because I don't I don't like where I live. I don't
don't I don't like where I live. I don't have a lot of outside interaction with
have a lot of outside interaction with people that aren't digital to me.
people that aren't digital to me. >> We stay in contact. It keeps me sane.
>> We stay in contact. It keeps me sane. And my 11-year-old my 11-year-old son
And my 11-year-old my 11-year-old son and my 13-year-old daughter are probably
and my 13-year-old daughter are probably my best friends at this point because
my best friends at this point because >> that's beautiful, man.
>> that's beautiful, man. >> It can be some until they turn me into a
>> It can be some until they turn me into a child. What photographers do you think
child. What photographers do you think are creating incredible work right now
are creating incredible work right now that you like?
that you like? >> I there's one person that comes to mind,
>> I there's one person that comes to mind, but they're like a good friend of mine.
but they're like a good friend of mine. The thing is I
The thing is I I wouldn't really say that I absorb
I wouldn't really say that I absorb other people's photography that much.
other people's photography that much. I'm kind of just like too focused on my
I'm kind of just like too focused on my own, which sounds like really
own, which sounds like really narcissistic and selfish, but I'm just
narcissistic and selfish, but I'm just like kind of I feel like I'm just in my
like kind of I feel like I'm just in my own lane trying to focus on how I can
own lane trying to focus on how I can make my own stuff better. And I feel,
make my own stuff better. And I feel, maybe some people can relate to this,
maybe some people can relate to this, maybe even you, where it's like I look
maybe even you, where it's like I look at other people's work and I'm like,
at other people's work and I'm like, damn, that was a good shot. And then I
damn, that was a good shot. And then I feel bad. And then I'm like, can I
feel bad. And then I'm like, can I change my style to be more like this so
change my style to be more like this so I can get better shots? Sometimes you
I can get better shots? Sometimes you look at like other people's work and
look at like other people's work and you're like, how can I make my stuff
you're like, how can I make my stuff more like that? When you should really
more like that? When you should really be like, what can I take from that? or
be like, what can I take from that? or like how can I build upon what I'm
like how can I build upon what I'm already doing to get to that that level,
already doing to get to that that level, not so much like how do I change to be
not so much like how do I change to be become that. Does that make any sense?
become that. Does that make any sense? >> It does. You're you don't like the
>> It does. You're you don't like the process of comparing yourself to someone
process of comparing yourself to someone else's work because you're afraid of how
else's work because you're afraid of how much it might influence your work.
much it might influence your work. >> Yeah, that's a good way of putting it.
>> Yeah, that's a good way of putting it. Um
Um and like it's just a natural thing to
and like it's just a natural thing to compare yourself and like I feel like if
compare yourself and like I feel like if I spend too much time looking at
I spend too much time looking at someone's work, I'll just start
someone's work, I'll just start comparing my my own work to it. And I
comparing my my own work to it. And I think that kind of becomes a problem to
think that kind of becomes a problem to the creative process. I think you're
the creative process. I think you're right. It because I compare myself to
right. It because I compare myself to other people's work all the time and it
other people's work all the time and it makes me unhappy with it sometimes, but
makes me unhappy with it sometimes, but then other people see some of the work
then other people see some of the work I'm doing and they're like, "Oh my god,
I'm doing and they're like, "Oh my god, this is incredible." But I can only see
this is incredible." But I can only see what's wrong with that image. And maybe
what's wrong with that image. And maybe it's because I'm too close to the
it's because I'm too close to the project.
project. >> Yeah. Well, I think that goes back again
>> Yeah. Well, I think that goes back again to the whole like why do you hate on
to the whole like why do you hate on your your own work so much? It's because
your your own work so much? It's because you're too close to it. You can't look
you're too close to it. You can't look at it objectively anymore. And so when
at it objectively anymore. And so when you try to look at it from a subjective
you try to look at it from a subjective point of view, you're like, "Well, I was
point of view, you're like, "Well, I was there. I know I could have done it
there. I know I could have done it better. This, that, or the other." And
better. This, that, or the other." And it it just turns into this spiral and
it it just turns into this spiral and you kind of have to try and take a step
you kind of have to try and take a step back and looking at other people's work
back and looking at other people's work kind of throws in this like curveball
kind of throws in this like curveball that makes you think, why isn't my work
that makes you think, why isn't my work as good as theirs, you know? And it just
as good as theirs, you know? And it just becomes a whole thing that you kind of
becomes a whole thing that you kind of just have to be good get good at. You
just have to be good get good at. You said something in an old video where you
said something in an old video where you said you weren't really comfortable with
said you weren't really comfortable with shooting landscape photography. Uh I
shooting landscape photography. Uh I thought you were a landscape
thought you were a landscape photographer for the most I I would
photographer for the most I I would compare a lot of the stuff you do to
compare a lot of the stuff you do to landscape photography. It's just more
landscape photography. It's just more like
like I don't want to say cityscapes, but
I don't want to say cityscapes, but you're like documenting Americana
you're like documenting Americana almost.
almost. >> Yeah. There's no real like good word for
>> Yeah. There's no real like good word for it. You know, you could say you're like
it. You know, you could say you're like a roadscape photographer, but that
a roadscape photographer, but that sounds kind of
sounds kind of >> That's not bad.
>> That's not bad. >> Yeah. Could work. Yeah. Um,
>> Yeah. Could work. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. There's no good. It's like a
yeah. Yeah. There's no good. It's like a mix of everything. I would you say
mix of everything. I would you say across the board you're a landscape
across the board you're a landscape photographer? Like that's all you shoot?
photographer? Like that's all you shoot? You don't shoot portraits or
You don't shoot portraits or architecture?
architecture? >> Digital. I will shoot portrait. Film is
>> Digital. I will shoot portrait. Film is mostly landscape. Sometimes I'll take
mostly landscape. Sometimes I'll take the digital camera out for vacations
the digital camera out for vacations just so I can make sure I get photos of
just so I can make sure I get photos of the kids and stuff, but
the kids and stuff, but >> yeah, absolutely. The last vacation I
>> yeah, absolutely. The last vacation I just shot film.
just shot film. >> Yeah.
>> Yeah. >> Yeah. And I was happy about it. And
>> Yeah. And I was happy about it. And they're not they're not the greatest
they're not they're not the greatest photos, but they're more fun. They feel
photos, but they're more fun. They feel more fun. They they remind me of my
more fun. They they remind me of my childhood photo albums when I would look
childhood photo albums when I would look through them at my mom's.
through them at my mom's. >> Yeah. Yeah. One day you'll look back at
>> Yeah. Yeah. One day you'll look back at that, too. Get once you have some like
that, too. Get once you have some like time distance from it. I would put money
time distance from it. I would put money down on it that you'll look back and be
down on it that you'll look back and be like, "These are great. These are
like, "These are great. These are fantastic." I don't know what I was
fantastic." I don't know what I was thinking at the I know you're tired and
thinking at the I know you're tired and I'm tired and concussed and
I'm tired and concussed and >> Yeah, dude. I hope you're not concussed,
>> Yeah, dude. I hope you're not concussed, man.
man. >> 100%.
>> 100%. >> Dude, you gota be careful with that. I I
>> Dude, you gota be careful with that. I I I feel like I had a concussion when I
I feel like I had a concussion when I was like uh a lot younger. I was like
was like uh a lot younger. I was like sledding and I smacked the back of my
sledding and I smacked the back of my head on the back of the sled cuz we went
head on the back of the sled cuz we went over a bump.
over a bump. >> And dude, it was like killer. But
>> And dude, it was like killer. But >> I feel like I've been a different person
>> I feel like I've been a different person ever since.
ever since. >> It'll change you, man. Maybe I'll be a
>> It'll change you, man. Maybe I'll be a nicer person. Is there any advice you'd
nicer person. Is there any advice you'd want to give to someone that is trying
want to give to someone that is trying to develop their own visual voice
to develop their own visual voice without overthinking it?
without overthinking it? >> There's like two answers to this.
>> There's like two answers to this. There's the simple answer and then
There's the simple answer and then there's like the technical deep answer.
there's like the technical deep answer. I'll just go with the simple one.
I'll just go with the simple one. Be the biggest fan of your own work.
Be the biggest fan of your own work. Does that make sense? Not in like a
Does that make sense? Not in like a narcissistic way. Like don't be Quint
narcissistic way. Like don't be Quint Tarantino about how he feels about all
Tarantino about how he feels about all all of his movies, you know? just like
all of his movies, you know? just like love your own work and be excited about
love your own work and be excited about your own work and try and understand
your own work and try and understand what it is you like about your own work
what it is you like about your own work and try and grow it and evolve it is
and try and grow it and evolve it is what I mean by that.
what I mean by that. >> I think that is great advice. All right,
>> I think that is great advice. All right, I appreciate it, man. I hope you have a
I appreciate it, man. I hope you have a good night and hopefully I hear from you
good night and hopefully I hear from you again.
again. >> Thank you so much. Thanks so much for uh
>> Thank you so much. Thanks so much for uh chatting all night. I appreciate you
chatting all night. I appreciate you taking the time and I'm excited to see
taking the time and I'm excited to see what comes of it.
what comes of it. >> Awesome, man. Have a good night.
>> Awesome, man. Have a good night. >> All right. You too, man.
>> All right. You too, man. [Music]
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