0:03 go ahead hi during your speech you made
0:04 a lot of references to Jewish people as
0:06 well as certain people in your audience
0:07 not Jewish people in general but certain
0:09 people especially in your audience to
0:11 Nazis now that is extremely offensive
0:13 when certain people are German and
0:14 they're also extremely offensive to
0:16 people who've actually suffered under
0:18 Nazi World I don't respect that anymore
0:20 I really don't I don't like and I don't
0:23 respect the crocodile peers to to the crocodile
0:25 crocodile te
0:27 te
0:31 no I'm folks allow me to finish and
0:33 allow me to allow me to SP listen sir
0:37 allow me to SP allow me to finish uh sir
0:40 sir I don't like to play I don't like to
0:42 play before an audience the Holocaust
0:44 card but since now I feel now that I
0:48 feel compelled to my late father was in
0:52 out my late mother please shut
0:56 up my late father was an out my late
0:59 mother was in my di concentration cab
1:01 every single member of my family on my
1:04 father's side the Jews can not take arms
1:06 against the my father was in out
1:08 concentration cwn my M mother was in my
1:11 D concentration camp every single member
1:13 of my family on both sides was
1:15 exterminated both of my parents were on
1:17 the wassaw ghetto Uprising and it's
1:20 precisely and exactly because of the
1:22 lessons my parents taught me and my two
1:25 siblings that I will not be silent when
1:27 Israel commits its crimes against the
1:29 Palestinians and I consider nothing more
1:32 dis iable than to use their suffering
1:35 and their martydom to try to justify the
1:37 torture the brutalization the de
1:40 demolition of homes that Israel daely
1:42 commits against the Palestinians so I
1:45 refuse any longer to be intimidated or
1:48 browbeaten by the tears if you had any
1:49 heart in you you would be crying for the
1:58 what would you condemn Hamas for what
2:00 they did my view is his father number
2:03 one as far as the evidence shows now
2:05 atrocities occurred on October 7th the
2:08 magnitude of the atrocities and the
2:10 types of atrocities for example where
2:13 children beheaded where women raped that
2:15 remains so far as I can tell from the
2:17 evidence an open question however that
2:19 there were atrocities that occurred my
2:21 answer is yes that's a factual question
2:23 and then there is the legal question as
2:26 a matter of law it seems unquestionable
2:28 that the people who perpetrated these
2:30 atrocities would be proc uted and
2:32 convicted in the court of law however I
2:34 would say on the legal question I should
2:36 think that there would be some mercy
2:38 shown because those who carried out the
2:40 atrocities were concentration camp
2:43 inmates number three which I think is
2:44 the one that concerns you the most is
2:47 the moral question my basic precept is
2:49 that they're but for the grace of God go
2:51 I that is to say I'm very reluctant to
2:53 condemn people who are in a position or
2:56 in a condition such that were I in that
2:58 position or condition I'm not sure what
3:01 I would do now the fifth 1500 young men
3:03 who burst the gates of Gaza they were
3:05 born into a concentration camp they
3:08 lived for two decades in a concentration
3:10 camp they had no past they had no
3:12 present they had no future they had no
3:14 jobs half of them according to
3:16 humanitarian organizations suffered from
3:19 what's called severe food insecurity and
3:21 then on top of that as I'm sure you know
3:23 Pierce because you keep up with the news
3:25 periodically Israel goes into Gaza and
3:27 it Ms the lawn and you know what Ms the
3:30 lawn means it means a Hightech massacre
3:35 in Gaza in 20089 operation castled 2012
3:38 operation pillar of Defense 2014
3:40 operation protective Edge and then each
3:42 of these Hightech massacres visited on
3:44 the people of Gaza in some cases
3:47 hundreds in some cases thousands of
3:49 Palestinians are killed you ask me why I
3:51 won't condemn them because those young
3:54 men were born into a concentration camp
3:56 they were born into among the most dense
3:58 populated places on God's Earth half of
4:01 the population of gaza's children 70%
4:02 are refugees who were expelled from
4:06 Israel in 1948 and their descendants 70%
4:09 of gaza's Youth have no jobs no future
4:11 no nothing and the people of Gaza have
4:13 the right to hate the people who destroy
4:16 their lives do you honestly think that a
4:17 leader of Israel is in a position after
4:19 the biggest Massacre of Jews since the
4:21 Holocaust to say you know what what we
4:22 should do in retali in reaction in
4:24 reaction to this is free the
4:25 Palestinians whatever that looks like
4:27 this never going to happen right and I'm
4:28 interested in living in the real world
4:30 as I think you are if care about the
4:31 lives of Palestinians and Israelis and
4:33 everybody else that means there has to
4:34 be some kind of way of resolving this
4:36 that is based in reality and in reality
4:37 whatever way you look at it you've got
4:38 two tribes that absolutely hate each
4:40 other with good reason for both sides to
4:41 hate each other because there's been
4:42 atrocity against both sides throughout
4:43 history you may argue about who's
4:45 responsible and blah blah blah reality
4:46 on the ground is this is where we are so
4:48 my question is how should Israel have
4:50 reacted in that situation in the real
4:52 world what in the real world should the
4:54 Palestinians have done if they tried
4:57 negotiations they gestured to supporting
4:58 either a two-state settlement here
5:00 referring to Hamas were what they called
5:03 a hudna a longterm seire when in March
5:07 beginning March 30th 2018 they try not
5:09 lease because of my encouragement they
5:12 tried nonviolent civil resistance and
5:14 what was the Israeli response we know
5:17 exactly there's a 250 page single space
5:19 un report describing the response Israel
5:22 took its best snipers lined them up
5:24 along the perimeter fence and while
5:26 there was this bested to describe to use
5:28 the word of the UN report atmosphere
5:29 among the Palestinians there there was
5:31 music there was dancing there was song
5:33 The snipers I'm quoting the report
5:37 intentionally targeted children Medics
5:39 journalists disabled people they describ
5:43 double amputees 300 M from the perimeter
5:45 fence that Israel shot when they didn't
5:47 kill them they targeted them from the
5:50 kneecap down to inflict to use the
5:52 technical term lifechanging injuries
5:54 which for the lay person translates as
5:58 paralyze them one Israeli sniper boasted
6:00 taharat newspaper is 's most serious
6:03 newspaper he shot 42 kneecaps in one day
6:06 42 children and adults paralyzed for
6:09 life and so when all the options of
6:12 diplomacy nonviolent civil resistance
6:14 when they have been exhausted what were
6:16 they supposed to do you know how many
6:18 citizens civilians died in the October
6:20 7th you know that there are lots of
6:21 allegations of rape I don't know how
6:23 persuaded you are of those they did find
6:25 bodies without heads there were no there
6:26 were there were some beheadings
6:28 apparently the Israelis didn't even
6:29 claim that in the document they
6:31 submitted before the icj go read what
6:32 your government submitted it never
6:34 mentioned the headings well as far as I
6:36 know people who were beheaded but we
6:37 could bring it up right now you also
6:38 deny that there were rapes there I
6:40 didn't deny I said I've not seen
6:41 convincing evidence that confirms it
6:43 I've said that from day one and I'll say
6:45 it today 4 and a half months later do
6:46 you know that they killed eight or 900
6:48 civilians in their absolutely that seems
6:51 to me indisputable oh okay well I'm I've
6:52 said that I've said that from day one
6:53 well to be clear you haven't you did a
6:54 debate I don't remember the talk show
6:55 but you seem to imply that there was a
6:56 lot of Crossfire and then it might have
6:58 been the IDF that said I said that there
7:01 is no question because the names were
7:03 published in harits there's no question
7:05 that roughly of the 1200 people killed
7:07 800 of them were civilians I see 850
7:09 fine so I never said that but then I
7:11 said no we don't know exactly how they
7:13 were killed but 850 civilians killed no
7:14 question there there's a lot of tricky
7:15 language being employed here do you
7:18 think it's called attaching value to
7:21 words and not talking like a motor mouth
7:22 the United Nations conference on trade
7:24 and development the World Bank the
7:26 international monetary fund a thousand
7:28 humanitarian economic organizations have
7:29 all reached the same concl inclusion
7:32 it's very simple the main cause of the
7:34 disaster in Gaza is Israel's illegal
7:36 blockade of that parcel of land full
7:38 stop that's wrong that's wrong that's
7:39 wrong that's false who's wrong who's
7:41 wrong anad is wrong the World Bank is
7:43 wrong the international monetary f is
7:45 wrong they all wrong are they all anti
7:47 what's going on I didn't say that
7:49 they're wrong I Haven to know any of
7:51 them that because the blockade was
7:53 completely lawful it was designed to
7:55 prevent the importation and then the use
7:57 of rockets against Israel it's perfectly
7:59 lawful for country to engage in a block
8:01 that is you're not let me me finish you
8:03 can't have a Isel is exposed to a double
8:04 standard but we're not letting you
8:06 impose a double standard on me no I'm
8:07 going to finish my statement and you're
8:09 not going to interrupt me so understand
8:11 me the military occupation was lawful
8:13 the blockade was lawful every country
8:14 has the right to defend itself from
8:16 Rockets from Terror tunnels from people
8:17 coming over the Border murdering and
8:20 kidnapping people those are all lawful
8:21 I'm telling you that as an expert in
8:23 international law and the law of War if
8:25 you want to dispute me get an expert who
8:26 knows something about international law
8:30 not a not a p professor okay Professor
8:32 dtz just as a matter of fact I teach the
8:33 laws of war I've been teaching it for
8:37 the last years to my my understanding
8:39 okay Professor D okay Professor dwoods
8:40 let's agree I'm completely ignorant
8:42 let's take that as a Point of Departure
8:43 how does it come to be that every
8:45 humanitarian and political body in the
8:47 world has declared that the blockade of
8:49 Gaza constitutes Collective punishment
8:51 and therefore is a violation a breach of
8:53 international law a war crime under
8:55 international law how did that come to
8:57 pass they're wrong how is it wrong
8:59 they're all wrong no you're not not right
9:00 right
9:03 you're wrong you're wrong in describing
9:04 wrong in describing every group there
9:06 are many grp one okay Professor DZ name
9:08 me one legal International legal body or
9:10 human rights organization name me one
9:12 I'll take the pause name me one that
9:14 says the blockade of Gaza is not
9:16 Collective punishment name me one the
9:18 law fair project in the United States U
9:20 the law the law fair project I said name
9:23 me one international legal or political
9:26 body everybody's listening now Morgan
9:28 has a very large audience name me one
9:29 name me one
9:31 interational or legal legal political
9:33 body that says the blockade of Gaza is
9:36 legal one it it is legal and every or
9:38 every organization that I have been
9:39 associated with the law fair project the
9:41 project run by woman named Lightner and
9:43 international project were all all have
9:46 all concluded that the blockade isal
9:49 Israeli Supreme Professor Mars you just
9:51 said I would condemn any time Israel
9:54 deliberately attacks civilians okay the
9:56 problem Professor Mars is over and over
9:59 again you claim in the face of over
10:01 whelming evidence that they didn't
10:02 attack civilians that's not true I've
10:06 said has attack Israel attack
10:08 extensively about I know that in C they
10:11 killed and now let's let's so you're
10:13 just eliminating selecting
10:15 selecting
10:17 Cherry let's fast forward when you were
10:19 an adult what did you say about the 1982
10:21 Lebanon war what did I say you don't
10:24 remember okay allow me okay you said
10:26 that you are not a person of double
10:28 standards unlike people like M you hold
10:30 High a single standard and you condemn
10:33 deliberate Israeli attacks on and I
10:36 would say that's true for the period up
10:39 till 1967 and I think it's accurate your
10:41 account of the first inap there it seems
10:43 to me you were in Conformity with most
10:45 mainstream accounts and the case of the
10:48 first in you also used surprisingly he
10:50 used Arab human rights sources like
10:52 alhak which I think M worked for during
10:54 the first in that's true but then
10:56 something very strange happens so let's
10:58 illustrate it so this is what you have
11:00 to say about Israel's inv of Lebanon in
11:03 1982 he said Israel was reluctant to
11:05 harm civilians sought to avoid
11:08 casualties on both sides and took care
11:11 not to harm Lebanese and Palestinian
11:13 civilians he then went on to acknowledge
11:15 the massive use of IDF Firepower against
11:17 civilians during the siege of Beirut
11:20 which traumatized Israeli Society Marx
11:21 Mars quickly enters the caveat the
11:24 Israel quote tried to pinpoint military
11:26 targets but inevitably many civilians
11:28 were hit that's your description of the
11:29 Lebanon war as I said that's when I
11:31 first got involved in the conflict I am
11:33 a voracious reader I read everything on
11:35 the Lebanon war I would say there's not
11:38 a single account of the Lebanon war in
11:40 which the estimates are between 15 and
11:43 20,000 Palestinian Lebanese were killed
11:44 overwhelmingly civilians the biggest
11:47 blood Ling until the current Gaza
11:49 genocide a biggest blood leing I would
11:51 say I can't think of a single mainstream
11:53 account that remotely approximates what
11:55 you just said so leaving aside I can
11:58 name the books voluminous huge volumes
11:59 I'll just take one example now you will
12:01 remember because I think you served in
12:02 Lebanon in ' 82 am I correct on that
12:04 yeah yeah so you will remember that Dove
12:06 yaria kept a war diary so with your
12:08 permission allow me to subscribe what he
12:10 wrote during his diary so he writes the
12:13 war machine of the IDF is Galloping and
12:15 trampling over the conquered territory
12:17 demonstrating a total insensitivity to
12:19 the fate of the Arabs who are found in
12:22 its path a PL run Hospital suffered a
12:24 direct hit thousands of refugees are
12:25 returning to the city when they arrive
12:27 at their homes many of which have been
12:29 destroyed or damaged you hear their cry
12:31 iies of pain and their howls over the
12:33 deaths of their loved ones the air is
12:35 permeated with the smell hes destruction
12:37 and death are
12:39 Contin Point you're making does that
12:40 sound like your description of the
12:43 Lebanon war forget my description the
12:44 point you're making words are in print
12:46 we let me just finish my sentence the
12:48 point you're making which you somehow
12:49 forget is that there are Israelis who
12:51 strongly criticize their own side and
12:52 describe how Israelis are doing things
12:54 which they regard as immoral you don't
12:56 find that on the Arab side I'm talking
12:58 about Mr Mars I'm not talking about
13:00 death I'm talking about you the
13:03 historian how did you depict the Lebanon
13:04 war I believe I believe that the Israeli
13:06 military tried to avoid committing a
13:08 civilian C
13:11 so all the all accounts by Robert Fisk
13:13 and pity the
13:16 nation journalist has always right so
13:18 that's why that's why you can say with
13:20 such confidence that you don't commit
13:22 you don't condemn deliberate Israeli
13:24 attacks there weren't any no I didn't
13:26 say there weren't any you agreed that I
13:28 have condemned Israeli ATT civilians I
13:30 never quarrel with facts your
13:32 description of the 1980s war is so
13:36 shocking it makes my inner R and then
13:38 your description of the second in your
13:46 when Arab suici bombers destroy Jews and
13:48 masses and buses and in restaurants
13:49 that's the second in do you remember
13:51 that suicide bombers in Jerusalem's
13:54 buses and restaurants aware of that you
13:57 but if you forgot the numbers it was 3
13:59 to one the number they killed mostly
14:02 Aran that's what you say in your book
14:03 but that's not what Amnesty
14:05 International said that's not what human
14:08 rights said don't what they I do Benny
14:10 morus now says we don't know whether
14:12 Israel has nuclear weapons well that's a
14:13 very odd thing for him to say because
14:16 Benny marus has been explicitly
14:19 blackmailing the West since 2008 saying
14:21 if you don't meaning the United States
14:24 if the US doesn't join in an attack on
14:26 Iran we meaning Israel have no
14:27 alternative except to use
14:30 non-conventional that is to say nuclear
14:32 weapons so if I can quote him now it is
14:34 doubtful that its conventional
14:36 capabilities will be sufficient to
14:39 destroy the Iranian nuclear project then
14:41 non-conventional Weaponry will have to
14:43 be used to sty the project and many
14:45 innocent Iranians will die but the
14:47 Iranians will have brought this upon
14:49 themselves by bringing to power and
14:51 leaving in power a leadership that will
14:53 have forced Israelis to do what was
14:55 necessary in order to survive so Benny
14:57 marus who doesn't know whether Israel
15:00 possesses nuclear weapons nonetheless
15:02 says Israel will have to use
15:04 non-conventional weapons and he says
15:07 many Iranians will have to die maybe the
15:09 millions maybe tens of millions but they
15:11 deserved it because they well that's
15:13 what he said Mr Mars you can laugh till
15:15 kingdom come but I'm quoting your words
15:17 but he said that's okay because they
15:18 voted for the regime no this this is
15:22 absurd this is ABS I said Israel let me
15:23 respond let me
15:25 respond hang on hang on hang on hang on
15:26 Norman I think many should be able to
15:28 respond to your direct charge there
15:29 because you accus him of it I didn't
15:33 charge I quot youing
15:35 about as is your want you didn't quote
15:36 me properly what I said was that if
15:38 Israel is unable with Conventional
15:40 Weapons to destroy the Iranian project
15:42 and if the Americans don't do it in
15:43 conjunction with Israel or by themselves
15:45 Israel will be forced to use
15:46 non-conventional weapons and attack the
15:49 nuclear installations not not not kill
15:51 millions of Iranians no no no you said
15:53 millions of Iranians I've never said
15:55 anything I have never said I have never
15:57 I have never said anything about
15:59 millions of Iranians this is
16:02 this is p Norman what do you Happ you
16:05 drop what do you think happens you Dr
16:07 Mar what do you think happens nuclear
16:08 weapons on Iran what do you think
16:10 happens no not on
16:14 ircle on again Norman you are you
16:16 Professor for you to say we can't trust
16:19 Iran after Israel's record on nuclear
16:23 weapons as even you so shamefacedly and
16:25 shamelessly say I don't know if Israel
16:28 has nuclear weapons you really don't you
16:30 advocate Israel's use of them in the
16:32 event that the US doesn't join the
16:34 attack on Iran but then you don't know
16:36 if Israel has nuclear weapons you're
16:38 such a Shameless liar which is a sad
16:41 fact I spent many many a week reading
16:43 your books I spent many many a month
16:45 reading your books and to see how you
16:47 have degenerated into a state
16:50 propagandist and a both a both a baced
16:52 liar very very sad very sad every time
16:54 they target a kid I'm sure they believe
16:56 it's Hamas when they kid yeah when they
16:57 yeah when they killed the four kids in the
16:59 the
17:02 even though they were even though they
17:06 were they saw let's see the I know he qu
17:07 you've lied about this instance in the
17:08 past those kids weren't just on the
17:10 beach as as oppos articles those kids
17:10 were literally coming out of a
17:12 previously identified Hamas compound
17:14 that they oper from they
17:16 literally with all due respect with all
17:18 due respect you're such a fantastic
17:20 it's terrifying that Warf was
17:23 filled with journalists there were tens
17:25 scores of journalists that was an Old
17:27 Fisherman's Shack what are you talking
17:29 about it's so pain
17:31 it's so painful to listen to this idiocy
17:32 and be clear on the other side you're
17:34 implying that strike was okay on the
17:35 Israeli side where they said we're just
17:38 four today for no do you believe that
17:39 you believe that do you believe
17:43 that journalist do you think
17:47 they never I will answer the question
17:49 even that was that was a drone was a
17:50 proof all the way up we going to kill
17:52 children kill pal want me to answer or
17:54 you want your motor mouth to go okay
17:57 answer in 2018 there was the great March
18:00 of return in Gaza by all reckonings of
18:01 Human Rights organizations and
18:03 journalists who were there it was overwhelmingly
18:05 overwhelmingly
18:08 nonviolent but whoever organized
18:09 organized by Satan
18:12 let's Satan I agree let's let's go for
18:14 the big one the big Milla it's Satan
18:16 okay overwhelmingly nonviolent resembled
18:18 at the beginning the first the first an
18:20 represent the first okay not bombs but
18:22 they tried to make holes in the T
18:24 obviously let's continue so but I'm not
18:26 sure Israel behaved morally in that no
18:29 no no I'm willing to Grant allow me
18:30 allow me
18:32 toow me allow me to finish I don't know
18:33 anything about this I'd like to okay as
18:35 you know along the Gaza perimeter there
18:37 was Israel's best trained snipers
18:39 correct I don't know best train snipers
18:42 fine snipers okay all right because hey
18:44 laugh it's hilarious the story is so
18:46 funny you're lying had aspects of
18:48 violence to it even the UN says it
18:50 themselves you only what the UN says you
18:51 like the problem Mr mlli is you don't
18:53 know the English language I can read
18:55 from the UN website itself in regard to
18:57 the great March said while the vast
19:07 toils isra forces incendiary K and into
19:09 Israeli territory the L results in
19:10 extensive damage to agricultural land
19:12 and nature reserves inside isra and risk
19:14 the lives isra civilians some in of shoo
19:16 explos talk fast talk fast so people
19:17 think that you're coher I'm just reading
19:21 from the US you like you got the months
19:22 wrong you got the months wrong we're
19:25 talking about beginning in March 30th
19:27 you describe that March is mostly allow
19:29 me to finish so there we the snip ERS
19:32 now you find it so farfetched Israelis
19:33 purposely deliberately targeting
19:35 civilians that's such a far-fetched idea
19:38 an overwhelmingly nonviolent March what
19:40 did the international investig a
19:42 campaign whatever you want to calls
19:43 whatever you want to call it yeah what
19:45 did the UN investigation find well he
19:48 just read I read the report I don't read
19:50 things off of those machines I read the
19:52 report what did it find brace yourself
19:53 you thought it was so funny the idea of
19:56 IDF targeting civilians it found go look
19:57 this up on your machine I already know
19:58 what you're going to say you're going to
20:00 say or two of
20:03 them targeted journalists targeted
20:05 Medics and here's the funniest one of
20:07 all it's so hilarious they targeted
20:11 disabled people who were 300 M away from
20:14 the fence and just standing by Tre true
20:15 my criticism of Norman finklestein is
20:17 slightly more praic I have no problem at
20:19 all with writers being provocative it's
20:21 what I am paid to do but you're not very
20:23 good at it you're a hack writer you made
20:24 a factual error you're certainly
20:26 entitled to your opinion I don't know if
20:27 any expertise I don't know I don't know
20:29 if any expertise you have in the top you
20:32 understated by a large number the number
20:33 of Holocaust surv that's the last
20:34 question very brief I would like to
20:35 answer that very briefly please I don't
20:37 claim at all to be an authority in the
20:39 Nazi Holocaust the book The Holocaust
20:41 industry is not about the Nazi Holocaust
20:42 it's a book about how the Holocaust has
20:44 been rendered in popular opinion and in
20:46 so-called scholarship the figure I got
20:48 of under 100,000 survivors of the Nazi
20:50 Holocaust it didn't come from me it came
20:52 from Raul hilberg I think you'll agree
20:53 if you have any knowledge of the Nazi
20:54 Holocaust which is doubtful but if you
20:56 have any knowledge of the Nazi Holocaust
20:57 you'll know that the world's leading
20:59 Authority in the Nazi Holocaust bar nun
21:01 was Raul hilberg he was in the class all
21:02 his own Raul hilberg praised the
21:04 Holocaust industry in fact he said my
21:06 conclusions in the book were
21:08 conservative now Raul hilberg was begged
21:10 by the US Holocaust Museum and his close
21:12 friend El wiel to remove his name from
21:14 the book and he said no I refuse to
21:15 remove my name from the book because
21:17 what finlin wrote is true he said thinkl
21:20 Stein's place in history as a historian
21:22 is secure and what was done to me was a
21:25 travesty so when you come along and say
21:27 you're a hack writer I attach as much
21:28 value to that as I attach to the dust on this
21:35 floor we have now seen incident after
21:36 incident where entire families are
21:38 vaporized and single strikes who is in
21:41 the families who lives in the house no
21:44 next to the house which these families
21:45 we have seen incident do you know that
21:47 hamnik weren't in that house do you know
21:49 that their ammunition dumps weren't have
21:50 to prove a negative you're saying that
21:53 they deliberately T families if Israel
21:55 wanted to kill civilians in Gaza they
21:57 could have killed 500,000 by now the
21:59 number ofes fact that they only killed a
22:02 certain small number a small number
22:04 small number in, small number in
22:06 proportion over four months probably is an
22:07 an
22:09 indication targeted and that there are
22:11 Hamas Targets in these places so 12,000
22:15 children is only and if that's the case
22:17 why is it yeah you said only Professor
22:18 Mars here's a question for you if we
22:21 take every combat zone in the world for
22:23 the past three years every combat zone
22:25 in the world in Vietnam Americans killed
22:26 a milon
22:28 people I wasn't yeah I was antiwar movement
22:29 movement
22:32 don't fine 30 million Russians were
22:33 killed so in during World War II so
22:34 everything else is irrelevant here's the
22:36 question professor professor Mars here's
22:38 a question it's very perplexing if you
22:40 take every combat zone in the world for
22:42 the past 3 years and you multiply the
22:45 number of children killed by four every
22:47 combat zone in the world you get Gaza
22:49 okay so when you to prove
22:53 I'm you're relying numbers I'm not I'm
22:55 lying on the numbers everybody else I'm
22:56 rying on the numbers we take the numbers
22:58 what do that those areas numbers okay
23:00 which may not be true they could invent
23:01 any anything because you know that they
23:04 are a mous organiz I know mous believe
23:07 me mous as in the Israeli Ministry of
23:09 Foreign Affairs so here's the thing you
23:11 say they could have killed 500,000 but
23:13 they only killed only that's your word
23:15 they only killed 30,000 believe that
23:17 they deliberately Target civilians they
23:18 could would have killed many many more
23:21 the fact is that they target civili
23:22 Professor Mar for you don't understand
23:24 for historian I don't want to understand
23:26 Israeli Society you want know the truth
23:27 I don't want to I don't want to against
23:29 inside their heads
23:32 0% a good historian historian tries to
23:34 get into the heads
23:37 of there's a limit when 0% when 90% of
23:39 Israelis think that Israel is using
23:41 enough or too little force in Gaza I
23:43 don't want to get inside that head 40%
23:45 think that Israel is using insufficient
23:47 force in Gaza I don't want to gide that
23:49 head I don't want to gide the head of
23:50 people who think they're using
23:52 insufficient Force against the
23:54 population against the population half
23:56 of which is children I don't want to get
23:58 inside that head why is that illegal the block
23:58 block
24:00 I'll tell you what you don't rocket your
24:03 neighbor Rock expect consequences expect
24:05 consequences but that works both I know
24:09 that Professor I'll tell you why because
24:11 every human rights humanitarian and un
24:13 organization in the world has said has said
24:15 said
24:18 the is a form of collective punishment
24:20 which is illegal under International La
24:22 you think you think a blockade you
24:23 understand way the world works these
24:26 things are irr and you think confining
24:29 cuz that's the blockade yes you confing
24:32 a million children
24:34 confing milon children in what the
24:37 economist called a human rubbish sheep
24:38 The Economist supported Israel in this
24:40 war and Contin to support Israel what
24:42 international Committee of Red Cross
24:44 called a sinking ship but the UN High
24:45 Commissioner for human rights called a
24:48 toxic slum you think it is a SL you
24:51 think under international law you think
24:53 it's legitimate hey I know you want to
24:55 forget the law it's the one thing that
24:59 every it's what every Israeli fears the
25:03 the law asy said I studied international
25:05 law I oppose international law of course
25:06 you don't want to hear about the law
25:08 that's got to do anything okay so here's
25:10 the thing then don't complain about
25:12 October 7th if you don't want if you
25:14 want to say forget about the law all I
25:16 said was they like bar there is no
25:18 International humanitarian law There's
25:20 no distinction between civilians and
25:23 combatant should and so now you're doing
25:25 what Meen said you're becoming very
25:26 selective about the law if you want to
25:29 forget about the law Hamas had do it did
25:30 it had every right to do what it did
25:33 according to you not to me CU you want
25:35 to forget the law [Music]
