well Gordon first of all thank you so
much for funing the time to join us good
to see you bud and you uh what is high
performance high performance for me is a
double-edged sword it's dangerous very
very few make it and then when you're on that
that
edge you you understand the consequences
when you can't get a high performance
is hard to sort of congregate your mind
on a daily basis but high performance is
about relentlessness in my mind so are
you a perfectionist I'm a self-confessed
perfectionist yeah I had a uh a proper
insight to Perfection early on in my
career and that's a path that you you
know there's Lanes in life isn't there
and I'm done with that [ __ ] about H
stay in your lane want to own my lane
and that's that's high performance on a
daily basis I I need that shot I think
it's one of the most exciting Industries
to be in uh as a restaurant a chef cook
whatever you want to call it um but
there's also the [ __ ] end of the stick
there's the double shifts and defrosting
frozen food and sticking [ __ ] in a fryer
that's the that's the lower divisions of
food and I was determined
to get the [ __ ] out of there early
because when you start in this industry
you go through those divisions I
remember a chef back in Stratford upon
aen um where I grew up was showing me
how to make a roast potato and he was
peeling the potatoes blanching them in
the deep fat fryer and then sprinkling
[ __ ] Bal dust over the top and that
was the roast potato so that scared the
[ __ ] out of me and I think you need to
have both ends of the spectrum done to
understand high performance but it's
about climbing that Division and and
owning it so I'm interested where the
understanding of what you're capable of
comes from can you remember the first
time that you you saw almost saw the
possibilities that life can offer if you
actually go for something yeah that's a
good question I think when I stood
alongside Marco Marco Pi white you for
two years side by side 16 hours a day
Relentless because I was in that pursuit
of perfection and this guy put food on a
plate like Picasso yeah and I I I wanted
to get that level of discipline and so
um Market was up north um with some food
critic away for the weekend and um for
some unknown reason I can't remember but
he couldn't couldn't come back to the
restaurant to open it after the holidays
all of a sudden I was in charge and he
was on the phone every two minutes
explaining what to do but I knew what to
do but I'd never been given the Reigns
and at 22 when you're Dropped In the
[ __ ] like that it's sink or swim so I
didn't really understand the amount of
pressure I was under at that particular
time but what I did see was empty plates
coming back from the restaurant and it
was a high octane two Mission star
establishment and every customer was
licking their lips every customer
couldn't quite believe how good the food
was and it was that moment [ __ ] Mark's
not here but what he's given me and
taught me I've just replicated now I
need to become
individual I need to step away from what
you show me and I need to search for my
own DNA but you you already though had
something because you don't end up in a
Marco Pi white kitchen unless you're
already grafting chasing Perfection
thinking that you actually deserve to be
there like even further back I know you
played football as a young guy like was
this mindset that Gordon was destined
for something there when you were 12 13
14 15 that's a tough one um I was I was
hungry I was uh in pursuit of something
to better myself um it's interesting
when you grow up with a um a
disadvantage childhood at the time you
don't know it's that bad but there is
embarrassing moments at school where
you're called out to do the sort of the
photographs and you got to go with the
family because I had my brother and my
sister at the same school because you
weren't allowed to do it individually
because your parents would never pay for
that and then there was the
embarrassment every day when you went
into the refectory for lunch we had
lunch and vouchers and there was a
separate queue and so it was like
Council house kids on the left hand side
and Posh kids on the right hand side and
that gave you a complex that gave you a
a sort of a Stern warning to get your
[ __ ] together so I think that's what
helped shape me for that level of hunger
to get focused because I wasn't
embarrassed about what my mom put on the
table I was embarrassed about the way it
was segregated in a way that you were
made to
feel separate from the classroom because
your mom and dad couldn't afford to give
you any money for school
lunch and we have many people listening
to this who like you come from a a
difficult upbringing and a disadvantaged
background but also a lot of people will
see you as the hugely famous hugely
successful Chef yeah and not maybe know that
that
story when you when you think about how
hard those days were where does your
mind take you back to if you're happy to
share you know actually how difficult it
was yeah I'm grateful I'm grateful for
those um moments um there was no
distractions in those days so um you
sort of clung on to anything the shiny
and spending time with my mom at work
getting into this little tiny restaurant
helping her prep vegetables was a
godsend that was before football
practice that was after school but also
just growing up and watching her handle
three jobs Christmas morning one of the
most exciting mornings for a kid uh
across the year should be that moment
see seeing your mom and dad but I didn't
see uh my mom because she was out
working so you sort of you you then
understand just how hard life can be and
you don't walk around looking for a pity
party you just want to you want to
better yourself you want to you want to
put a new Benchmark under the name
Ramsey and create something different
how did you take the mindset of you know
because anyone that has that early on
there is a moment where they think why
is this my life why do I have challenge
how did you go about turning those
negative experiences into into positive
action yeah I've always been a solution
solver I've never sat there even at that
age even because I got involved with
sport early on and so I was super fit
good at what I did and I think having a
chance to get involved with football at
a high level and that's been taken away
from you was a big blow and so you don't
sit there and become bitter for the rest
of your life it's just dust yourself
down mom always told me you know deal
with it get get on it early get your
priorities right you know focus on what
you want out of life and so those those
traits still sit there daily even today
what what do you want to have today
what's the what's the solution when we
get problems so um I think growing up
and watching the destruction that my
father was creating and he taught me in
many ways how to become a greata by
doing the opposite of what he showed me
and so I was desperate for that chance
to get out of that
mess and create something special um for
myself what sort of father was he um
didn't really get on with him in a way
that he um in many ways
was maybe some fair to say a failed
musician but he was into music um played
with the Marty Wilds had his band did
records Etc but I remember on multiple
occasions we're going in and out bars
lumping gear every Saturday night and
then sat watching him and it was never
uh a fun evening cuz as the drinks got
bigger the room got feistier and all of
a sudden um you're sort of rushed out in
the back of a Transit van and and you're
sort of Disappearing so I never really
had that connect with him we never
really bonded we never really spent a
lot of time together so you know I make
up for that now having two sons You Know
Jack and Oscar and so um we we learn
from the defaults don't you and Mom was
my mother and father cuz that's how
strong she was and that's that's
admirable from a woman that was that was
that was the connect that you know we I
didn't envisage because I never thought
I'd be looking towards my mom for you
know Dad's incompetence and she filled
that void beautifully and that's that's
an amazing Bond when you got that with
your mom and you mentioned football at
an early age you were playing at Rangers
yeah um and you said it gets taken away
from you your career was ended really
early on by injury right rapidly um yeah
I was fit as a fiddle you know 6 fo2
naturally left footed um very very few
individual got past me and so I was you
know I was a steam train remember
playing uh at a testimonial uh for the
first team got my first call up and of
course he just broken into the first
team he was playing for Scotland under
21s I was 18 at the time DAV mcferson
just got his first big call up and so
all of a sudden you're in this amazing
team you're on the sheet your name's
there number three on the back of the
shirt and I went in for this 50-50
tackle and it was it was crunch um and I
I I laid there in such pain tore my
crucial ligament and um smash my
carage then we didn't have Private
health care you didn't get whisked off
to Germany for the the latest surgeon
you were you're on the rubber ship
you're in the scrap because there's four
or five guys behind me instantly to take
my place
so that was devastating then I came back
down to uh banry in oire and I lived in
a council flat with my sister uh and
then got got into college got into um
catering as a way of becoming
independent and moving further away from
the upset that was you
know in my mind on a daily basis how
painful was that oh [ __ ] I mean really
painful but brutally painful especially
when your Mak some are making it and
they're progressing and you're seeing
the headlines you're purposely not
watching um the news you're purposely
not finding out the scores at 5 to5 on a
Saturday afternoon because you you want
to move away from that so it was that
moment that my mom taught me dust
yourself down pick yourself up and go
again and then that freedom with the
connection with food all of a sudden
started to really resonate the sort of
the breadth of what you need to
understand and then I got to London I I
had to head to London I had to go into
to somewhere unique in order to learn
unique things because if you want to be
one of the best you need to work with
the best and it's not about money it's
not about hours you just need to work
with the best whatever they do you need
to follow suit and that's a that's a a
short-term investment for a long-term
gain I wonder you know whether as
difficult as those early years were with
your relationship with your dad and you
know as you said basically humiliation
at school or you're you're in the poor
kids queue right yeah I wonder whether
actually those experiences equi you for
at the end of your football career to
kind of Find A Way Forward rather you
know people get derailed for derailed
for years after that kind of yeah well I
had a similar parallel because I could
see my father not making it and breaking
out in music and not being sought after
couldn't earn a living and look after
the family fulltime he swam for Scotland
at the age of 15 and so he had this
incredible uh strong sort of sport
background but but I could see this
failed you know music guy that wasn't
making it money was getting less and
less the gigs weren't coming in and all
of a sudden you know he ended up playing
in crappy bars and and and and sat there
with a little pile of CDs which was
embarrassing so um I witnessed him
clinging on to something that was never
going to happen and it was to the
family's detriment that they all
struggled because of him hanging on to
something that didn't provide for the
family and so many ways with that shock
of having the football taken away and
witnessing my dad clinging on to
something for too long it made me more
decisive and in business you need to be
decisive and so from an early age I was
super on it to what I needed to do to
get out the mess that I was born in it's
a good reminder isn't it for all of us
that just because something's hard for
you doesn't mean it isn't actually good
for you have you managed to sort of
resolve that in your own head that maybe
you are grateful for some of those early
experiences because you wouldn't be
sitting here having this conversation super
super
grateful and also it releases you from
that yeah but listen we haven't been
diagnosed with a horrendous disease yeah
you haven't been given six months to
live so you got to sort of you got to
you got to live in the real world I do
that I I calibrate that on a daily basis
so um I got over that early and then I
had father figures in my life Marco Pier
white was like a big brother father
figure Alber Ru leav Ros was another
father figure um gwa in Paris all of a
sudden you start going to their wings
and once you your talent in that
division then all they do is pass you on
to Absolute amazing establishments to
sort of learn and I think the secret
early on was every time I got to a level
next time I went into another
establishment I came down a level to
learn even greater cuz sometimes when
you jump too high the learning stops
because they want to know what you've
just been taught so that was [ __ ] um
for me because it wasn't making me any
better and I was on that Pursuit
danana all this info Intel Intel
everywhere I went give me the Intel what
is it how does that Salo work perfectly
how do you how do you bone out a pigeon
beautifully and not waste anything on
that carcass and so that that intel was
this this Gathering of incredible stuff
um in the prep for this interview
reading the the journey and the story
through the culinary establishments was
probably the most interesting and
rewarding part for me let's talk about
where it all began uh so you've taken
the leap you've headed down you've gone
to Technical College yeah you're living
in a flat yeah when you take yourself
back to the the Gordon Ramsey mindset at
that point what was it listen there was
um um a charity called bamry round table
and I think every town has these Round
Table Charities they paid for my first
set of [ __ ] whites they bought my
first set of knives they bought my first
floppy hat and so everyone asked why do
you do so much for charity you know it
started with charity and so if it wasn't
for that incredible moment I think it
was 62 quid for a set of knives two chef
jackets horrendous trousers and these
[ __ ] ridiculous clogs that no one
could walk in and so all of a sudden
these knives were your possession and
your sort of tools and so I was
polishing them sharply every day and I
remember nipping the end off one of them
ones and I was gutted the fact and these
knives were cheap these were £7 for a
set of like 25 knives but you respect
them and so that moment for me was
you've got all the tools now do
something with it and then there's that
level of insecurity that can't be
apparent when you're standing next to
such talent because you want to know
what they've got and you have to be a
sponge without insecurity cuz the
insecurity stops you from learning
because you think you're never going to
get there and so kitchens are
tempestuous boisterous environments and
always you see that piston firing every
day and they're all on the make because
they want to be super and it's a tough
environment but I then related those
moments back to the dressing room at I
Brooks and if you think a kitchen tough
wait to see or hear some of the [ __ ] you
get told and called in a dressing room
where no one's listening and you're
getting pummeled so that gave me the the
armor and that coat of resilience to get
on in the industry not FASTT tracked but
to take the blows when necessary let's
talk about the steps then yeah who was
the first person that you met the first
chef where you thought that is that is
what I want to be
be
truthfully I'd say marip piwine when we
came down to um London for a big
exhibition in the industry it was called
Hotel Olympia and um we came down for
the weekend from banry
and we never got anywhere near a famous
chef the closest we got was to uh a
necer chief belonging to Anton mozman
that was in a glass box outside the
[ __ ] doorchester hotel and we' drive
by this hotel and we were sort of told
to get off the bus and go and look at Anton
Anton
adelman's white starched hat and his
neckerchief and that was the closest we
got and so think about that you know and
then standing next to someone like Marco
you're you you're grateful but you're
going to be one of the most talented
sponges he's ever had by his side so
yeah you process it quickly when you're
on that drive for success and at this
point what is the drive is the drive I
want to become successful is the drive I
want to escape where I've come from is
the drive I just absolutely love food
like what was the I saw a chance I saw a
chance of becoming unique I think we're
all blessed with that in our Liv
somewhere how did you see that though I
could I could sense it because it made
me ignite I could see this incredible
sort of beginning of something unique
and I think when we look at individuals
figureheads in our lives and we want to
Aspire to become them but when they give
you what they've got all of a sudden
there's this treasure chest of
uniqueness and so that was unfolding
weekly and then there be new kids
starting in that kitchen and within 48
hours they were gone they couldn't
handle the heat how did that make you
feel Stronger Yeah because we thrive on
other people's weaknesses in that
business and that's a selfish uh thing
to admit but I'm going to be honest with
you we thrive on other people's
weaknesses especially in the kitchen but
that that gave
you hype and it gave you the sort of you
know the chest beating moment where you
can stand stand tall and I used to laugh
cuz we were short staffed we'd operate
Monday to Saturday 16 17 hours a day
Sunday off you're [ __ ] I mean I used
to wake up on Sunday midday and I was
[ __ ] I mean just physically mentally
exhausted we'd live on lucazade and Mars
Bars and then Marco would say hey look
we got four new members of Staff
starting on Monday don't worry we're
going to cut your hours we're going to
start taking half days off during the
week and we'll get down to five and a
half day week you think that back then
five and a half day week and that was
the dream but these four guys and girls
would walk in on Monday morning and we'd
have bets who'd be there within 24 hours
they just disappeared they could not
stand the Heat and so it made need you
stronger was there ever a moment where
you thought this is Relentless this is
ridiculous this is not what I thought it
was I can't handle the heat I'm going to
get out of the
kitchen never not once [ __ ] no never I
wanted it I absolutely wanted it because
I could see this opening of Escape I
could see the the sort of um the the
grind the grit the determination all
paying off and I was Bec better don't
forget so you got to sort of
self-reflect a little bit because all of
a sudden I'd mastered a toini I could
make beautiful Pastor I understood how
to braze you know short ribs and so
that's the payoff and when you're not
getting that substance back and you're
not learning on that level then it's
time to quit but I was I was learning so
fast I mean it was just it was it was
incredible to what I was gaining you
know um when I was at teenager I lost my
grandma to Suicide right which was so
difficult cuz we were like about as
close as you can get Grandma and
Grandson and I saw a and then I was
wondering why did life change so much
for me straight after that to and I saw
a quote not long ago saying people
who've gone through drama have a fire
lit inside them that people who haven't
can never quite understand I'm sort of
there's a sense of that now I think yeah
there is I mean trauma is a that's a
tough word I mean I I think I put that
down to experience because it it it didn't
didn't
it didn't take me out I also had the
parallel of my little brother 15 months
younger than me uh as a heroin addict
and so I had to constantly remind myself
that him and I were mates him and I were
sleeping in a bunk bed in a council
house on multiple occasions and this kid
was always underneath me and messing
around and lifting up the bunk bed and
literally with his feet moving the
[ __ ] thing to the left and you know
halfast 2 in the morning shaking it and
so we had fun and so you have to remind
yourself that if I don't stay on the
straight now I don't get out of this
[ __ ] mess I don't climb that ladder I
don't get good and I don't start earning
my own um keep if I can't get my own uh
property if I can't invest in bricks and
mortar that's the result and so it's a
very fresh reminder on a daily basis
between your ears get your [ __ ] together
because close to you there's an addict
that's on the verge of killing himself
that's your little brother and then I I
I saw mom's frustration never having a
child to own her own house and so I
think for any woman and guy you know
security is in bricks and mortar and we
were we we never they never owned
anything and so and when Dad was you
know incredibly drunk he' turned the
place over and then Mom would be left getting
getting
superl putting all these vases together
her favorite bits of you know uh China
and so at the age of 19 I bought my
first flat um a tiny little one-bedroom
flat in banry and that was my payoff I I
I felt then that [ __ ] you know I'm proud
I've got a mortgage I've got a flat and
um I got a mate staying in there but I'm
also progressing my career so I was I
was almost in this cycle to sort of
better myself too quickly because of the
sort of let down I felt from my father
and Brilliant that you were able to take
those steps forwards which is kind of
that stretch and reward thing you were
getting stretched you were getting the
rewards tiny rewards yes tiny tiny
rewards that's what you need though it's
a speckle it's a speckle but it gives
you hope it gives you confidence you're
becoming more into it and all of a
sudden you're starting to you're
starting to calculate the benefits
because you're outsmarting the [ __ ]
standing behind you and then you're sort
of you were feeling better and even at
19 20 21 no matter what happened I had
more security at the age of 19 than my
father ever did at
55 and while you were having these small
steps forwards you've also had this I
guess a nor star for you at the time
Marco Pier white in the
kitchen guiding you challenging you
probably no doubt pushing you to your
limits you've spoken so much about him
over the years yeah I've heard numerous
times You' said oh Marco I just had you
know it was incredible what a what a guy
yeah what was
it um I think we had similar backgrounds
he lost his M at a young age and his
father he didn't have a good
relationship so I think you you sort of
you attach yourself to similar
circumstances and then there was an air
of confidence that he knew he was better
than the field he'd worked for Nico
Alber Pierre Raymond blong and all a
sudden you know he was the new kid on
the Block I knew after spending a couple
of years with Marco that I had to come
back to the fold with something
different so that's what got me into the
gavros under the R Brothers because it
was an area of sort of fine dining that
I'd never been exposed to three star
Michelin Marco was two and and and and
Le gavros was three but even before I
went to leav Ros I knew I had to go to
France because I had to come back to the
fold and outsmart Marco he' never gone
to France he got stopped in his tracks
and he got too big too soon so he
couldn't disappear to France so I knew
in my engine room had that little
advantage that I'm going to [ __ ] off to
France become French absorb myself in
one of the most amazing countries in the
world and just gather more Intel and
come back uh and outsmart
everybody in
London did you love the idea of arriving
green behind the gills inexperienced in
Marco's kitchen and then having in your
head that one day I'm going to be a
better Chef than you yeah because he
wanted you to he pushed you to the
extreme why did he do that because you
know he drummed it in you know if you're
going to do it do it to your best and if
you don't want to do it to your best get
the [ __ ] out of here don't waste my time
and certainly don't waste yours and I
think it's a lot of life lessons early
on because you're getting structured
you're getting hungry you're getting
knowledge and all of a sudden you're
becoming a beast because of the monster
he created and the monster you're
working for and so I see those
environments all the time and I say to
the individuals stay in that environment
get what you need and get out and when
the [ __ ] hits the fan learn to dance in
the storm it's a great place to be in
because somewhere down the line there's
going to be a [ __ ] storm on your radar
and you're going to stand tall in that
storm and you're going to get through it
and when the storm would come to you in
the kitchen yeah what was the best way
to get out of that storm solution
because I was experienced enough to
handle that and I'd know there wasn't
any area in that kitchen restaurant bar
wine seller that I hadn't Ted L and so
that's what you go in search of and I
knew my weaknesses and that's why
stepping into Le gavage I'd never baked
before but if I'm going to have my own
business I need to understand how to
bake a pan poan a s for catch I need to
understand that but I came out of Harvey
under Marcos tenor going into the gav I
was I was you know posted to get on the
fish and the meat the top two sections
but no I wanted to become a baker
because it one bit that I hadn't un the
chemistry of baking
so on on that trajectory youve got to
still find those weaknesses to enhance
you know that platform to make sure it
is solid so when that [ __ ] storm comes
you are not depending on anybody because
you've got it in your itinerary were you
getting arrogant at any point in this
period and needing to be slapped down or
did you remain humble and I think I
think arrogant is is the wrong word it's
called confidence right and that's
misconstrued to those that are lesser
talented than you look at that arrogant
[ __ ] he he he doesn't uh he doesn't he
doesn't like being told no dude I've got
[ __ ] together I know my [ __ ] you you're
a dreamer and in this industry like many
you know Industries there's there's
there's there's dreamers that want it
but haven't got it to commit haven't got
it with mindset haven't got it with
their broad shoulders and haven't got it
in their attitude so yeah I'm going to
put that down to confidence not
arrogance yeah there's a big difference
J so what's arrogance then is arrogance
having the confidence without the hard
work and the ability to back it up or no
arrogance is mathing off you can do it
and not living up to the [ __ ]
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episode can we talk then about hard work
attention to detail because everywhere
you look everyone tells you I work
really hard I pay great attention to
detail yes
um take us into those early years as a
chef what what did hard work actually
look like yeah hard work
was that
Relentless fifth sixth gear standing in
front of a Time team and remaining as an
example where you're focusing on their
weaknesses offloading everything you've
got and then still finding gears that
the team around you never thought you'd
have set examples first in last out um
being more personal with the staff in a
way that you're you're sort of you're
shown them how good they can become but
they need to commit to being good for as
long period as you can get out of them
and that takes a lot of convincing
because when you're learning it becomes
so much more crucial when that that that
that teacher is inspirational so you
can't shut down so I learned to open up
early on and then there's this this
level of unselfishness chefs are
precious dainty little Souls that are
guarded with everything they've got they
don't want to give much so um I
understood the importance of opening up
and talking and going and then when the
[ __ ] is the fan here's why it went wrong
this is what we're going to do dust
yourself down bounce back and that
Journey on the way back is so much more
rewarding than sitting on top and I said
to them the mistakes You' just made I've
made a thousand of them but never the
same mistake
twice hard work is just that and then
hard work is about beating competition
it's about being in front of the
industry and in our
industry you move move it or it moves
you and customers vote with their feet
Jay no one Rings you up and said you
know what wasn't that good I'm not
coming back they vote with their feet so
as a stun indicator I used to look at
the waiting list every day and see the
waiting list I to make sure there's a
waiting list equivalent to the entire
dining room so we never dropped the ball
and it was just a message to every
around me look we got 45 book for dinner
and there's [ __ ] 45 on the waiting
list understand understand the
importance of making sure you got a
backup plan B everyone needs a plan B in
life and sometimes there's a plan C in
your head but you never want to talk
about it but you do need it that's
interesting what a good way to keep the
staff humble I want to play you a clip
when you mentioned giving back and
sharing yes with um Marcus wearing has
been on the podcast before okay he just
spent three and a half years with Marco
white at Harvey's the rock and roll
kitchen the the kitchen that was unlike
no other in anywhere in this country
that had ever seen anyone had ever SE
seen before and so he came into gavros
with that training that tasting that
attention to detail that Perfection on
The Cutting of the fish that brilliant
supporting food on the plate taste taste
taste you look around the kitchen people
weren't tasting food they would just go
through a process and that's the one
thing that was a point of difference so
that was when as I focused on him I
added that into my Arsenal just kept
adding and adding and adding and just
love and mimic it because he was
mimicking Marco but Marco was I never
had the chance to work with
Marco how yeah interesting yeah
mimicking is a good word I mean I
suppose I
was I was I was I was grateful and
fortunate that I was given that
uniqueness from him and that's going
back to what you said earlier about the
arrogance that's why it is in many ways
it looks oh my God how cocky is he no
trust me there's a price to pay for
Success uh you can't buy it but you
can't be taught it and I'm done with all
that [ __ ] but well it's got to be
your DNA you need a nono your Grandma
needs to be a great great chef that is
absolute [ __ ] [ __ ] but like
anything is successful you can work at
it and and I I can I can prove that on
multiple occasions I have a different
technique with young chefs today I teach
them how to taste first before I teach
them how to cook because they don't
understand how it tastes to Perfection
they shouldn't be cooking it so let's
talk about the taste Factor let's close
your eyes uh tell me what that tastes of
and so then there's multiple taste tests
that is called an education on the
pallet and then we go to cook so they
understand what it tastes like at its
absolute moment of perfection then we're
going to cook it and too many chefs cook
first and then they start tasting no
taste the [ __ ] thing first register
where we're going with it and then go
back it's the opposite way around but it
works brilliantly and I think when we
when we discussed this story of
relentlessness and attention to detail
and focus and drive you you started this
podcast by saying high performance is
actually a double-edged sword yeah and
I'm all right in thinking that the was a
moment where you had to did you take
time out and go and work on a
boat yeah I sort of crammed this sort of
sixe uh incredible Cony sort of
uniqueness um two star three star three
star two star establishments uh I was
being to a pulp and um I was [ __ ] um
and there's that moment in your mind
right time out I was 25 years of age
didn't have a pot to piss him by the way
I had to reverse charges calling my mom
which was always embarrassing and she
was this amazing woman that you know
worked for the Social Security and she
on the back of the way that she was
abused in her marriage she then went and
worked in these incredible um homes for
battered women and so she was connected
to all the sort of local police stations
and she worked for women's Aid and it
was this incredible sort of job she had
had mentoring these young women and so I
remember phoning her and reversing the
charges and I felt so [ __ ] bad but I
said Mom I'm reversing the charges
because I'm skined so what are you doing
I said I'm going to go and work on a
boat said what why are you going on a
boat I said I just need some time out so
I got down to uh Monaco and there's a
sort of a yachty world down there um and
it's it's a beautiful thing to do
providing it doesn't suck you in and
it's a little bit like the raw below
deck if you thought the below deck today
you should have seen it [ __ ] 20 years
ago it was it was wof it was ridiculous
and I got into this amazing boat with
this wonderful uh owner a private man
incredibly private beautiful man called
re Grundy at the time he had s of the
century and neighbors as his big hits
Australian and he was based in Bermuda
and he wanted a personal chef so it was
the most glorious 12 [ __ ] months of
my entire life because you know what I
was doing in this tiny Galley two hours
a day was a fraction of what I was doing
but all this knowledge was going back to
him and he
wasn't didn't want to find IR he just
wanted really good food cook beautifully
so we met the boat in Monaco went down
to Sardinia Sicily did all the south of
France and then um October we cross the
Atlantic and went over to Antiga and did
the cariban it was a taxfree salary I
had an amazing cabin beautiful life I
was doing three tank Dives a day scuba
diving and then
uh my batteries were charging and it's
an amazing world to be in but there's no
governing body you can do what you want
and no one's going to tell you off and
so here I was in the situation you know
cash positive but it wasn't enough on
this glorious yacht working for this
amazing owner I wanted then to you know
be put to the test I needed to be uh
under the spotlight and that's where I
came back and um I I I opened my first
restaurant OBU at the age of 27 and that
was set up through Marco's contacts he
had these Italian Partners uh and um I
got given 25% of a restaurant I knew
jack [ __ ] about a p I didn't understand
how to run a business but I could
certainly cook and so it turned out I've
been given 25% of debt because this rest
had failed massively and so you you
learn quickly but man this tiny little
beastro at the back of Beyond a Fulham
Road went from this little [ __ ] hole to
this two star Michelin 6 months fully
booked an advanced restaurant that was
just a little Powerhouse and then I
started pissing people off the big wigs
in the two and three star Mich
establishments in these hotels because
this tiny little restaurant with a
basement kitchen which like a [ __ ]
hell hole half the size of this thing
but nowhere near as glamorous as this
and it was it was powerful we went from
zero to two stars in three years what
was the secret the secret
was the lightness I had garnered this
technique of cooking OD Cuisine with
Fair little cream very little butter but
delivered something unique and nobody
was doing food like that no one was no
one was along that style we we we were
uniquely individual because it was you
were using beautiful uh poaching methods
and then grilling them after we were
arting sources and it was just it was
light it was unique and uh it was it it
was a TR acve really attractive there's
a recurring theme as well here though
about um following your instincts
following your gut you know you the
football doesn't work out and you go
down you enroll in Technical College and
you sort of follow your gut there and
then you go and do various culinary jobs
meet Marco and your gut tells you
there's something this guy can teach me
you knew when to take a step away and go
walk on a boat you knew when to come
back to London to do this and you also
very cleverly understood that what
people wanted on their plates at that
point and you also had to follow your
gut when obene ended right uh yeah I
mean I wanted security for myself I was
you know we couldn't been any more
successful two Michelin on the verge of
getting three but I had no ownership and
then I realized that uh I'm [ __ ] done
working for other people I got to I got
to commit and I want to work for myself
and then you you risk it all again T and
I bought our first flat together and I
had to convince her that I need the
money the equity to give the bank
security because there's only a
three-year lease at Laton Clair the
restaurant we were buying for restaurant
G Ramsey and the banks told us to [ __ ]
off there's no way we've got Security on
that there's no there's no head leas
there's no validity in this thing so it
doesn't make sense I said it will do
because I've got all this knowledge I'm
going to get three stars n no you're
unproven so that really got me riled to
come back with an answer [ __ ] it I'm
going to put everything I've got into
this business and it will work so that
was the moment where I asked for
patience from Tana we just had our first
baby Megan and it was [ __ ] or bust and
there's that moment again but I've been
there several times in my life how did
you know it would work because I've been
there several times in my life I had
bounced back from adversity uh as a
youngster I was faced with [ __ ] and
embarrassment going to see uh my parents
I was protecting my mom and theek known
to my father and so all these little
caveats make this
big meaningful purpose that I knew I was
going to make
it to walk away from that restaurant to
risk your flat with your wife with your
newborn child yeah there's a lot on your
shoulders at that point I'm interested
in where the little dissenting voice the
doubt the impostor syndrome the fear
what what what role were they playing
success needs an underlining level of
Jeopardy and there's no success anywhere
in the world that hasn't got Jeopardy I
I strive to Perfection my life is about
high performance and when I haven't got
that high performance I need to up the
Jeopardy because that's what
creates and when I go into these
situations and it's all safe and easy
and uh a piece of cake I'll turn it
upside down purposely to create a little
bit more drama a little bit more
Jeopardy to keep me on my toes so that's
self-perpetuated so you you'll never see
that CU you won't know what level I'm
turning it up or dialing it in or
dialing it
down but and you you know though it's a
conscious decision like I need to put
something in my life here uh I want that
because I don't want it all playing
sailing I think that's the bit that I
was never in doubt I had five years
success at OB so rollos Road was
definitely going to work I didn't take
things for granted I just wanted to
prove the point because I had disg
grumbled backers that were screwing me
at the time I had 25% of the success
that I created that was getting sort of
trodden on and I had I had nothing to
show for it so again you you turn it up
dial it in and I remember going to the
bank I think it was the Bank of Scotland
and I said look we're going to be
operating Monday to Friday just like the
ton Clair and these four guys and two
women said you're closing satday Sunday
is your busiest days I said no [ __ ] off
Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
are going to be my busiest days no no
but there's no restaurant that will ever
succeed unless it's open for Saturday
and Sunday lunch I'm like Sunday [ __ ]
lunch who's cooking Sunday lunch I'm
going to be off so that's why they
literally ignored the business plan
didn't want to invest in it didn't want
to give me I think I was only asking for
like half a million pound um I'd saved
something like £350,000 which doesn't
seem a lot but back then it was [ __ ]
huge but Pier Koffman this amazing
Frenchman and it's very
hard when French of very tough to deal
with and they are incredible and so he
let me pay half a money on year one and
the second half of the money year two
out of cash flow one of the most
generous Strokes I've ever seen uh by a
Frenchman and so I never forget that
moment no because they're tight bastards
and they are tough there that mentorship
thing again that someone stepping up for
you incredible and had you not done that
I would have been [ __ ] i' would never
have made it so there was the Double H
thought of you know paying him back and
not him getting access to the lease
again and so there was so much Jeopardy
I'll go back to the point about I
enjoyed the Jeopardy CU I needed that
level of
ship it's it's got to work so that
propels you even more with the velocity
of Jeopardy and it's really important in
our lives to keep that Jeopardy because
it really does make you perform
automatically and very few businesses
understand the word
jeopardy is that why TV was attractive
because it was another challenge oh
[ __ ] H hold on a minute TV for me
back then it was boiling point that was
not that was not TV that was that was
brutal that was a documentary you know
um following the pursuit of trying to
stand on your two feet by the way I
decided to watch that before this [ __ ]
no Jake Jesus Christ you got too much
time on your hands was there anywhere
you didn't let the cameras Go I mean
well listen you know that was proper
reality TV but I mean I got I mean it
was ironic because amazing lady called
patellen who founded you know the Naked
Chef and two fat ladies and Kitchen
Nightmares she said look you know what
what you want me to do with you there's
boiling point and there's the Naked Chef
you got this S6 kid sliding down a
[ __ ] banister lovely jubly throwing
the train and [ __ ] off for a game of
golf come back and stuff your face and
you got you running around like a
[ __ ] idiot with your head cut off uh
screaming everybody I said yeah but I'm
searching for three stars
said you need to stick to what you good
at and that's Perfection and so it was
interesting because I was so naive I had
no idea what that [ __ ] microphone
meant because I forgot the cameras I and
people say why do you get so upset
because no that's the
same when we're on or off camera that's
me so don't don't I'm not going to play
up for the sake of it I'm passionate
about what I do did you need that to get
the three stars or if you did sit and
watch it back now would you be going I
didn't need to act like that to be
successful like ITV called me into to a viewing
viewing
a week before boiling point was going
out and it was on channel four then it
was the ITV were making it ITV studos
were making it for Channel 4 and I sat
in this it was like little [ __ ] mini
Cinema there was like teas coffees
biscuits I had a packet of fig [ __ ] this
is amazing and then uh I turned around
I'm in the room on my own there's a
booth with a glass wall and I could see
a couple of execs back there so I
[ __ ] sat back in this chair [ __ ]
screen opened up and then [ __ ] the
opening credits went I went oh my God
that's enough thank you very much indeed
I'm out of here and I yeah I I think I
shat an egg
roll I literally shat my
pants I sit back there now and I look
back sometimes and I was like oh no no
but I I I couldn't quite believe just
how raw that thing was and I was naive I
was you know half stupid but I was in
pursuit of
something I'd strive for and there was
nothing that was getting in my
way zero and I mean zero because
everything was depending on it we were in
in
temporary uh lodgings we had a a tiny
little Studio Tana had stopped working
then because of Megan we couldn't afford
any home help and so every dish I was
sending I was focusing on that Jeopardy
again it's the Jeopardy that keeps me
buoyant to creating a high performance
me ISM some may say that's a little bit
too far but I didn't know any different
I'm not blaming anybody cuz that was all
my own self-d doing but yeah boiling
point Jesus Christ right what a moment
and it led to what is now an outstanding
media career with my background I find
it particularly interesting I remember
you bursting on the scene and as you say
not just very different to Jamie Oliver
right you were different to everybody
and I wonder as it started to go and
producers started talking to you about
formats and personalities and having an
impact like how how much did you think
about your TV Persona or I didn't not at
all I I I didn't give a [ __ ] so even
when you were going on track shows and
like saying outr of stuff or dropping in
the odd swear word that wasn't I just
that you weren't thinking how can I have
the most impact in this next 10 minutes
on this I never had those preconceived
ideas Jake you don't go in there with
that I
mean my first breakthrough was uh
Kitchen Nightmares and I'd go into these
restaurants and they'd let me off the
lead at the front of the door like a
[ __ ] sniffer dog I'd go in there and
there's the cameraman a sound and a
producer I turned that place upside down
I took those things incredibly personal
and so we'd spend 10 days in this
business turning the chef around
redecorating the place launching it and
then I'd go back a [ __ ] month later
this is for somebody else's business
that's the point I'm like cuz I
understand you care about your why did
you care about their business but
because it wasn't a format for me it
wasn't about IP or format or success
remember the first program it was 5.8
million viewers you know Channel 4
[ __ ] Kitchen Nightmares and so then
all the intrusion started then everyone
wanted to know who you were what was
your background what what makes this guy
tick I'm like I'm the same on or off
that there's no and I always say there's
this celebrity chef moment that we're
not and we're a real Chef that works on
TV and so these restaurants then get put
back on the map they go out
viewers flock to them these restaurants
get so successful but then when when
they don't work uh you get blamed when
the Meg's successful you don't get you
don't get any thanks and so yeah kitchen
night was an important one for me
because I think it's you got to see the
sort of nuts and bolts of the industry
on how how stupid some of these owners
are and I just called it out I I
literally called it out but yeah yeah
and so that that's me by the way but
then I think back to the bollins I got
with Marco or Alber geir Joe roban they
taught me well they taught me really
well and loads of chefs have done the TV
thing no Chef has done it to the level
and the sustained level that you have
does that also come back to the
competitive nature as well H God it's a
tough one isn't it um you
know that's a really good question
that's a tough one to yeah and we've
just finished Season 22 a house kitchen
yeah and um it's airing next week and
now you can't do it for that long
without loving and you loved cooking you
love I suppose I'm trying to say I run a
restaurant Fox run a
show and so so it's a so you're still
the chef [ __ ] right I am because I
don't do that on a daily basis so when I
get a chance to do it and run a
restaurant I love it because it's me
it's live the curtains are up and
there's real bookings there's there's
there's individuals cooking and if the
lamb is raw it's [ __ ] raw but they're
on this show for a quar million dollars
to lift their career but if you've been
cooking for 10 years you can't [ __ ]
cook a rack a lamb what the [ __ ] are you
doing in here how do you deserve a quar
million dollars when you you you you're
not fit for purpose and so I can't then
turn around say oh [ __ ] the camera's
watching oh can you hear me uh I'm going
to give it to them I'm I'm going to
absolutely let rip and maybe that's just
the way I am that's the way I'm taught
so I don't want to go in there would you
be so kind to pass me the raw lamb I'll
Ser it to the [ __ ] dog for dinner I I
just no you Muppet get your [ __ ]
together or [ __ ] off and coming back to
the double-edged sword the TV career
goes amazing things are flying you've
popped in the states which as we all
know every broadcaster in the UK would
love to do and very few manage it but
then at the same
time some of the reviews are tricky it
hardens that had some of your
restaurants in the most disappointing
country experiences there was huge drop
loss of a star at
clares I'm very interested in how Gordon
Ramsey dealt with that I don't think
there any different to a Critic
critiquing Man City winning the treble
or man united finishing fourth you got
to put up with that [ __ ] yeah what you
do need to learn in life uh anyone in
high performance is that you're judged
by individuals that know less about food
than you do and so it's the nature of
the Beast CU I don't give a [ __ ] never
have done never will do but when it
starts getting personal and they're
launching these guides on the back of
your name because they want to nominate
the most disappointing
meal that's that's easy mud throwing
have you taken Your Eye Off the Ball do
you think or was it just no do do you
were there to be shut down maybe but do
you buy the Harden's guide no is it
still printed now I wouldn't know I've
never looked it nor would I makes two of
us but the mission star would have had
we're talking about a completely
different caliber of recognition here
yeah a global
iconic guy that visits these restaurants
Incognito so Jake I sleep at night with
both eyes closed don't you [ __ ] worry
about that and 23 years at three
Michigan Stars trust me I I'm I'm a
happy boy good let's talk about
happiness then yes where does where does
family fit into that happiness for you
the balance yeah this industry is an
absolute [ __ ] if you don't control it
because it's lost too many good chefs to
depression suicide it's lost too many
phenomenal individuals because they've
been sucked in and beaten by the
industry they can't let go the minute I
won my third missioning star I I learned to
to
delegate I learned to offload and I
learned to become unselfish and get
those individuals to share the success
that we were building to
create thorough breads a breeding stable
a Manchester United of kitchens that can
go on and win and lose on a weekly basis
but still be renowned as one of the best
in the
world and as we sit here today what do
you still feel you have to
achieve what do I have to
achieve that's a tough one anything that
I've strived for from a cry
perspective um there's one little clink
in the armor
I won two stars in France uh in Bordeaux
Russian G Ramsey at
lepr and I love the French I love the
the the sort of the the glamour of or
Cuisine and I think that would really
sort of confirm that final notch on my
sort of deathbed the fact that we won
three stars in France and we're one star
away from that so if it happens
brilliant if it doesn't so what but that
would be the final the final swan song
cuz growing up on a counsil state living
in 15 different shitty homes and being
taught how to cook to go back to France
the sort of the birthplace of O Cuisine
and win three stars but I'm so [ __ ]
close you have no idea um and yeah
that's that's the one little clink yeah
so we're not done yet I'll be raising a
glass to you in Norfolk when read that
news um thank you I think that is really
interesting to talk about the fact that
you're chasing us St how old are you now
84 how old you feel I don't feel 84 56
when you say chasing um it's it's it's a
sort of it's the confirmation how good
that is we are so close we are so close
so yeah 56 um going back to the uh
importance of the delegation and not
getting sucked into it you know when
you're in the orchestra you're focusing
on those fine tunes and that that high
octane Perfection when you're conducting
you've got 55 of you in the orchestra
and you've got to then and that's
exactly same with the position we're in
now so coming from playing to conducting
it's a very difficult transition really
difficult transition um and that's what
we're we're we're we're sort of
harmonizing you on a daily basis in a
beautiful way by the way and how old are
you when you won your first star uh 28
27 2 so this is something I just want to
touch on over more than 20 years since
you're first star yeah you're close to
getting another one the one that you
know as you say would give that ultimate
confirmation yes this is the power of
consistency this is the joy of longevity
this is the thing that so few people
manage what do you think the secret
is um brutal honesty
with the
team we don't sit on
laurels and
um we we stay in front of the
competition russan Gordon Ramsey today
celebrates 25 years rans have a shelf
life 72% of them close with the first
three years we're 24 years next year at
three star Michelin so so far so good
because of the system systems in place
and there's not one plate one Diner one
member of the team ever taken for
granted stay close to the
action that's what we do and stay close
to the people that are most important to
you I think before we wrap this up I've
read and watched and listened to a lot
of stuff and I just want to talk about
Tana for a moment um there right when
you were at the center the epicenter of
your seriously busy
life uh still there today I know you
went through a personal trauma losing a
child a few years ago um I'd love you
just to tell us the secret to a
long-term marriage which has its highs
the the amount of time you don't see uh
is hard and so we worked it out very
early on in life that the time we're
going to have is make it quality so I
committed to those two days off Saturday
Sunday and she knew I was exhausted and
shattered but
um you need to work in harmony you need
to get that level of support you need to
be on the same page
so the secret of that relationship is
communication and then dealing with the
trauma of losing you know an amazing
tiny little baby and just watching that
Devastation unfold and everything
happening you know live and you're there
you you you value each other we started
off as best mates and we um we were we
were young we were stupid and we we were
we were skinned I remember going to ask
her father if I could borrow 20 grand
for the deposit for a flat that we fell
in love with and I thought this is all
going well lunch is good I'll pay for
lunch and I said oh by the way um Chris
you know about that uh deposit you know
T and I we've got half of what we need
the other 20 grand I'll pay you back in
a year he said
okay yeah uh here's what I'll
do uh I'll have another lunch with you
Porsche I thought you [ __ ] but you
clever [ __ ] here I
am driving around in a Flash [ __ ] 911
911 turbo conversion and T and I loved
the car and we didn't even have a
[ __ ] house didn't have a flat didn't
have a roof over our heads it's the best
advice you ever gave me sell you [ __ ]
Porsche I did sell
it and 10 years later I went and bought it
it
back same car same [ __ ] car yes how
did that feel it felt amazing I get
embarrassed with the toys
because I used to be embarrassed with my
father dropping his off at school with
his box all via there's more [ __ ]
rust on the inside than there was on the outside and so you start getting into
outside and so you start getting into sort of 10 11 12 years of age and
sort of 10 11 12 years of age and because three of us
because three of us were in the same school we asked to be
were in the same school we asked to be dropped off way before because this this
dropped off way before because this this beaten up [ __ ] car was barely working
beaten up [ __ ] car was barely working so we'd constantly go to car auctions
so we'd constantly go to car auctions and buy all [ __ ] cars and start a most
and buy all [ __ ] cars and start a most from there alternates from their seat
from there alternates from their seat from this one and this thing looked like
from this one and this thing looked like a [ __ ] scrapyard going to school so
a [ __ ] scrapyard going to school so um I get embarrassed with what I've
um I get embarrassed with what I've invested in now as a collection of
invested in now as a collection of amazing supercars because it makes me
amazing supercars because it makes me feel God you shouldn't so that's why I
feel God you shouldn't so that's why I track those cars but it's amazing when
track those cars but it's amazing when you can't stop thinking about the the
you can't stop thinking about the the sort of the beginning of this journey
sort of the beginning of this journey and then you sort of you don't want to
and then you sort of you don't want to indulge but you want to enjoy the sort
indulge but you want to enjoy the sort of fruits of your labor and before I
of fruits of your labor and before I quick by questions that's actually where
quick by questions that's actually where I where I want to end you know having
I where I want to end you know having those
those cars is a real clear message for people
cars is a real clear message for people who are maybe listening to this and
who are maybe listening to this and maybe they are in the same place that
maybe they are in the same place that Gordon Ramsey was when he was 12 13
Gordon Ramsey was when he was 12 13 years of age there is so many toxic
years of age there is so many toxic messages out there telling people that
messages out there telling people that they can't do certain things this idea
they can't do certain things this idea of learned helplessness what would your
of learned helplessness what would your message be to those young people that
message be to those young people that feel that life has dealt the cards in
feel that life has dealt the cards in such a way that they're never going to
such a way that they're never going to be sitting in the chair that you're
be sitting in the chair that you're sitting in right now yeah you've got
sitting in right now yeah you've got every chance of
every chance of success it's never around money there's
success it's never around money there's a level of success you can get just by
a level of success you can get just by getting out of a tiny situation you're
getting out of a tiny situation you're in and then you climb that ladder one
in and then you climb that ladder one week one month one year at a time and
week one month one year at a time and you you pat yourself down that you've
you you pat yourself down that you've done well don't look for other people to
done well don't look for other people to do that for you and
do that for you and so there is a strong chance to do well
so there is a strong chance to do well it it depends on you and it's finding
it it depends on you and it's finding gears that you never felt you had in
gears that you never felt you had in your wheelhouse and self motivation is
your wheelhouse and self motivation is critical
critical and somewhere down the line we're all
and somewhere down the line we're all going to get dealt a dysfunctional card
going to get dealt a dysfunctional card in life just
in life just by situations and the earlier you get
by situations and the earlier you get dealt a dysfunctional card in life the
dealt a dysfunctional card in life the [ __ ] better because it gives you a
[ __ ] better because it gives you a much stronger hand when you come to play
much stronger hand when you come to play it
it beautiful quick fire questions Gordon
beautiful quick fire questions Gordon please the three non-negotiable
please the three non-negotiable behaviors that you and the people around
behaviors that you and the people around you should buy into three non-negotiable
you should buy into three non-negotiable behaviors um first one is you need to be
behaviors um first one is you need to be a sponge yeah the best listening device
a sponge yeah the best listening device is you
sponge the second one is take it professionally not
professionally not personally really important
personally really important I can't stress how important that is
I can't stress how important that is getting told off is [ __ ] good really
getting told off is [ __ ] good really healthy but take it professionally don't
healthy but take it professionally don't take it
take it personally and the third one
personally and the third one is thick
is thick skin you're never going to please
skin you're never going to please everyone stop
everyone stop worrying about keeping everybody happy
worrying about keeping everybody happy in the room [ __ ] it it doesn't exist
in the room [ __ ] it it doesn't exist remember that your advice to a young
remember that your advice to a young Gordon just starting out my advice to a
Gordon just starting out my advice to a young Gordon
young Gordon [Music]
Ramsey stay hungry stay
hungry stay hungry and stay
hungry and stay fit if you go back to One Moment in your
fit if you go back to One Moment in your life where would you go and why if I had
life where would you go and why if I had one moment to go back in life uh and why
one moment to go back in life uh and why God that's a tough [ __ ] question um
God that's a tough [ __ ] question um poof yeah um
poof yeah um would probably
would probably be um God it's a tough one in terms
of [ __ ] hell Jake one moment I've got 25 how long have we got come on you know
25 how long have we got come on you know the one where one one one moment
the one where one one one moment um if I had one moment in life that I
um if I had one moment in life that I could go back
could go back to it would
to it would be
be yeah never employ family
yeah never employ family we haven't even touched on that subject
we haven't even touched on that subject have we don't need to n the press the
have we don't need to n the press the Press did that for us beautifully and I
Press did that for us beautifully and I mean that and and I I I can say that
mean that and and I I I can say that open honestly because we have five kids
open honestly because we have five kids and I never want to
and I never want to put the owners on my team ah it's
put the owners on my team ah it's [ __ ] Ramsey's daughter oh it's
[ __ ] Ramsey's daughter oh it's Ramsey's son five amazing kids and what
Ramsey's son five amazing kids and what I learned uh back from 2010 was you know
I learned uh back from 2010 was you know don't mix family and business stay
don't mix family and business stay independent look after the family but
independent look after the family but don't mix
don't mix it I saw Meg go to work this morning and
it I saw Meg go to work this morning and she took her degree from Oxford Brooks
she took her degree from Oxford Brooks and she's now uh in the Met police and
and she's now uh in the Met police and she's putting her stab vest on and you
she's putting her stab vest on and you think God you know everything I've done
think God you know everything I've done and created it's too easy to say hey Meg
and created it's too easy to say hey Meg go and run one of Daddy's restaurant
go and run one of Daddy's restaurant there's no [ __ ] way she wants
there's no [ __ ] way she wants anything to do she loves the restaurants
anything to do she loves the restaurants she's a great chef but she now a police
she's a great chef but she now a police officer and that gives me
officer and that gives me such amount of Happiness to see that
such amount of Happiness to see that individuality Jack as a RW Marine
individuality Jack as a RW Marine Commando and training and just just what
Commando and training and just just what where he is now four years into the
where he is now four years into the Marines Holly into the fashion and Tilly
Marines Holly into the fashion and Tilly into her University her final year we're
into her University her final year we're going to have two of the kids that have
going to have two of the kids that have got degree we we didn't get a levels we
got degree we we didn't get a levels we didn't get University was wasn't even on
didn't get University was wasn't even on our agenda so you you you have to you
our agenda so you you you have to you have to understand how hard it is for
have to understand how hard it is for those kids because it's too easy just to
those kids because it's too easy just to fall onto your parents' radar and pick
fall onto your parents' radar and pick them up and stick them in a restaurant
them up and stick them in a restaurant because they can't be [ __ ] bothered
because they can't be [ __ ] bothered and no and that's the strength of tana
and no and that's the strength of tana and I communicating together and feeding
and I communicating together and feeding off each other's strengths and
off each other's strengths and supporting our weaknesses love that and
supporting our weaknesses love that and the final question your your one final
the final question your your one final message really to the people that have
message really to the people that have listened to this fascinating
listened to this fascinating conversation and thank you for sharing
conversation and thank you for sharing so much with us your one Golden Rule if
so much with us your one Golden Rule if you like to living a high performance
you like to living a high performance life my one Golden Rule
life my one Golden Rule to living a high performance life is um
to living a high performance life is um never fear a
never fear a storm learn to dance in the rain it's
storm learn to dance in the rain it's got me through so much [ __ ] in my life
got me through so much [ __ ] in my life I'm so happy when people tell me be
I'm so happy when people tell me be careful it's stormy out there I [ __ ]
careful it's stormy out there I [ __ ] love it
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