0:13 Yeah by what they've read and seen since
0:14 describing essentially what they remember
0:21 yeah it's just a nice part of the world
0:24 is yeah everybody's so helpful hang on
0:26 let's let's uh let's see how our tanker
0:28 toys are all put together here have we
0:31 got any kind of an audio l
0:32 yeah if you just want to give me a
0:35 little bit of Glen would you just
0:38 uh say a couple things let okay first of
0:40 all the phone was ringing
0:43 right okay the
0:46 way really the way I became involved in
0:49 this was started out in the after early
0:52 afternoon around probably 1:30 in the
0:55 afternoon and I received a telephone
0:59 call from the marcher wary officer out
1:03 at the Walker Air Force Base Army Airfield
1:04 Airfield
1:08 Base and uh he was
1:10 requiring inquiring
1:13 about what would be the smallest
1:15 possible casket that we could get that
1:18 would be hermetically
1:20 sealed and
1:24 uh at that time I know that we had used
1:28 like the four feet and uh caskets we had
1:30 used those before but I thought thought
1:32 they also made them in a
1:34 36 so
1:37 uh but I he wanted to know if we had any
1:39 in stock and I said no but I if I can
1:41 make a called Amell I can have him in
1:44 you know by 7:00 the next morning on the
1:47 truck so he said I'll get back to you
1:50 and uh that was the first Contact that I
1:54 had with the base and then what then he
1:59 called back uh oh probably 45 minutes or
2:01 so l
2:03 and he said I need to ask you some more
2:06 questions he said in case something like
2:10 this should happen he said we uh we need
2:14 to know what the preparation what how
2:16 what your preparations are for the
2:18 bodies that had been laying out in the
2:22 elements you know and uh he said we need
2:23 to know
2:25 also what
2:29 uh what if your treatments of of the
2:33 bodies are the remains uh what could you
2:36 do to them and if your treatments would
2:39 it would it change any of the chemical
2:42 breakdown of the tissues the blood would
2:45 it make a difference and I said I
2:46 thought probably it
2:50 would and I said uh of course he knew
2:52 exactly how we would treat those bodies
2:55 CU we have an outline from them and what
2:58 we really have to do I think he at that
3:00 he already at that point knew knew
3:02 exactly what we would have to do did he
3:05 disclose to you what he had no I told
3:08 him I said if you if you have a problem
3:09 if you want you know if you have
3:10 something you don't really know what to
3:13 do about it let me come out and I'll you
3:15 know try to help you do whatever you
3:16 want to
3:27 said okay and he said no he said let's
3:30 let's just back up just um let's start
3:33 again with you were saying you told him
3:35 that you can come out and take care of
3:37 what he had right yeah why don't you
3:40 pick it up from that so and he said well
3:42 you know we don't really have anything
3:44 he said we're sitting here thinking in
3:46 case we should get involved in something
3:48 like this you know what would be our
3:51 preparation what what would should we
3:55 do then I you know I went through I said
3:57 do you really want to know how we would
3:59 do it well yes you know we would like to know
4:00 know
4:02 so that's when I explained to him that
4:04 we would have the Vats that we would
4:07 fill up with the with form Malahide
4:10 solution with water and we put the
4:14 bodies in them uh let them stay there
4:18 for 24 hours and then take them out and
4:22 U then we would pack the bodies in the
4:24 would be a sawdust and really a [Music]
4:26 [Music]
4:29 lime what we would pack them in then WRA
4:31 them in in the place that's bodies that
4:32 were badly
4:34 decomposed if there was tissue deep
4:37 tissue we would have to do it
4:39 hypodermically with needles to get to
4:41 the deep tissue then we would have to
4:43 aspirate the cavities if the cavities
4:46 hadn't already ruptured and then put
4:49 some cavity fluid in those I said that's
4:52 you know kind of normal
4:55 procedure now at one point you finally
4:57 offered to take care of it for them well
4:59 offered two three times yeah can you
5:02 review what that conversation that point
5:05 you mean when I offered to take care of
5:07 them yeah he said well we we don't
5:08 really right at this time we don't
5:11 really need your assistant but he said
5:12 in case something like this should
5:14 happen then he said we would be prepared
5:16 and we would know what to
5:20 do then we got back onto the subject of
5:23 maybe not damaging any of the of the
5:26 chemicals uh compounds or anything with
5:30 the bodies or you know tissues
5:33 whatever because it uh they wanted you
5:35 know how do you would you pick bodies up
5:38 like that and what would you do not to
5:41 to uh contaminate any of it didn't this
5:43 begin to seem a little strange to you at
5:45 that point well I thought maybe what
5:48 happened they might have had a VIP or
5:50 you know some officer and something that
5:51 happened they maybe they didn't want you
5:54 know want to keep it quite and they
5:56 probably want to do it themselves not be
5:58 involved with the civilian
6:03 and uh businesses or anything so after
6:05 these conversations you were curious and
6:07 you went on out to the base as I
6:09 understand can you review that well I
6:11 didn't go out to the base yeah I was
6:13 curious but the only I didn't go out to
6:16 the Bas and probably a couple hours
6:19 later and I'd got an emergency call
6:21 there was an Airman that was injured in an
6:22 an
6:25 accident and I took the Airman to the
6:28 base he rode in the ambulance with me
6:30 and I took him out to the virgin
6:32 streamer and that's way I became really
6:35 involved out the base I didn't go out
6:37 just because I was curious give me the
6:39 sequence from the time you picked up the
6:43 Airmen and just described to me well and
6:44 I got the call you know I left the
6:47 funeral home and the amess went to the
6:49 scene of the accident picked the Airman
6:52 up he I did not Place him on a stretcher
6:54 because uh he had a head injury and a
6:57 nose I think his nose was fractured so I
7:00 did some minor uh first stayed and then
7:03 he sat in the front seat with me all the
7:06 way to the base when we got to the base
7:08 then uh he walked into the emergency
7:11 room I didn't uh have to take him in
7:13 they didn't bring out a you know a
7:15 gurnie or anything we just he just
7:18 walked in on his own then I never did
7:20 see him after that then I had this
7:23 friend that I wanted to talk to and say
7:26 this uh is a lieutenant nurse that I
7:29 knew quite well that had only been there
7:31 roxim only been commissioned and been
7:33 there to sign this was their first
7:37 assignment to the out it to the air base
7:40 and U I wanted to talk to her and so
7:43 this I was going down the
7:48 hall and I uh first thing the lady that
7:49 I want the lieutenant that I wanted to
7:51 see was coming out of one room going
7:54 across the hall to the other and she
7:56 noticed it me she said how did you get
7:58 in here and what are you doing in here
7:59 and she said you better get out in a
8:01 hurry she said you're going to get in a
8:03 lot of trouble she said would you please
8:05 leave and get out of here in a
8:09 hurry and then about I turned around and
8:10 then about and she went on into the
8:14 other room then in about time I turned
8:17 around there was a there was another
8:19 officer said hey wait a minute and I
8:22 said uh looks like you had a crash they
8:25 said I see there's some you know in the
8:28 ambulance in the ambulances out there I
8:31 see a lot of recogniz said where was the
8:34 crash and he said there wasn't any crash
8:38 and he said uh then he said just wait a
8:41 minute then I he said wait a minute and
8:44 I you know stood there for a minute he
8:46 turned around and evidently he must have
8:48 waited for somebody else to come out
8:50 because there was another officer coming
8:52 out he said this man says there was a
8:55 crash out at the base he said he wanted
8:57 to know about he was inquiring about our
9:00 crash and this was when and I
9:03 encountered he was a redheaded
9:08 officer and uh very nasty very
9:12 uh BR he said uh he did not see any
9:15 crash there was not any cat crash and he
9:17 said uh you get the hell out of here and
9:19 you didn't see anything and you don't
9:22 talk to anybody he said you're going to
9:23 get in hell of a lot of trouble and I
9:25 said look I'm a civilian and the damn
9:27 thing you can do to me about it he said
9:29 No but somebody might be picking your
9:31 bones out of the sand that's when he
9:34 made the remark there then there was a
9:37 black sergeant that was standing beside
9:40 him and he said yeah but he would make
9:42 better dog food for our dogs course I
9:45 didn't understand that but my father
9:47 happened to be an Old Trapper and for a
9:49 hobby and everything and I said my
9:51 father uses guys like you for baai and
9:52 his cow
9:55 traps and then there was two MPS that
9:57 joined me right on took me outside and
10:00 each holding me by my elbow and escorted
10:02 me out to the back to the ambulance and
10:03 followed me all the way back to the
10:06 funeral home now as you were entering
10:08 the hospital just saw something three
10:12 trucks yeah when yeah cuz usually where
10:14 I parked there was three field
10:16 ambulances parked in the area where I
10:19 usually park where we be back up to the
10:22 to the ramps so I just pulled up to the
10:23 side in front of those and parked out in
10:25 the front and the Airmen and I got out
10:26 and walked
10:31 in so uh when I passed when I got up
10:35 went up the steps up the ramp and I was
10:39 walking uh going into the emergency room
10:42 I noticed that the doors were open and
10:45 and but what was odd about it there was
10:47 an MP standing beside each one of the
10:50 vehicles in the back it's standing there
10:53 and the doors were open actually I was
10:55 curious and you know I just happened to
10:58 look in that's when I saw some debris or
11:00 it looked like parts of a plane or
11:02 something that they hadn't had a crash
11:04 cuz I've seen them do this a lot of
11:06 times bring in pieces in the old
11:09 ambulances in can you describe the
11:13 debris yeah they were I noticed in two
11:16 of the ambulances there was some debris
11:20 that was probably 2 and 1 half to 3 ft
11:22 you know long and probably high that was
11:25 propped up on the side of the emets
11:28 there they were kind of in the shape of
11:31 maybe like a half a canoe they they were
11:33 like the front part of a
11:36 canoe and
11:39 uh you know it looked like it looked
11:41 like it might be aluminum but it it
11:43 looked more like it was the metal looked
11:45 more like stainless steel that had been
11:48 heated it was blue kind of a bluish tent
11:51 to it but what was odd about it it
11:54 looked like around the curve part in the
11:56 front of the canoe there was
12:00 some some uh design signs or something
12:02 it kind of reminded me of maybe some
12:03 Egyptian signs or
12:07 whatever and it was probably about 3 in
12:09 and high and probably the length of what
12:12 the wage I saw it looked like it was and
12:14 the same thing was in in the other
12:17 ambulance too I mean I saw practically
12:18 the same
12:21 thing the the pieces that were
12:24 practically the same size and ins signas
12:28 look like whatever that might be was uh
12:31 part of the record
12:32 how did
12:37 n how did your friend feel about what
12:40 she saw well I didn't know really until until
12:41 until
12:46 the uh till the next day and I wanted to
12:48 I called out I kept trying to get a hold
12:49 of her because naturally I was curious
12:52 and I wanted to know what was going on
12:54 and so I called out the next day and
12:57 then probably around 11:30 she said I
12:58 know you've been trying to get a hold of
13:01 me but I haven't been available and she
13:02 said why don't you meet me at the
13:04 Officers Club if you if you have time
13:06 meet at the officer club and we'll have
13:08 lunch and I wanted I want to talk to
13:12 you and the funeral home we had at at
13:14 that time we had all the some of the
13:15 businesses there had an associate
13:19 membership to the Officers Club and our
13:21 funeral home had that
13:23 membership and also had a card to
13:26 identify myself and what business that I
13:29 was you know associated with so I had no
13:31 problem only time I go to the base all I
13:33 had to do a lot of times if it was in
13:35 the evening i' have to stop and sign a
13:36 visitors and get a visitors pass and
13:39 then turn it in when I left but it was
13:42 no problem going out there so I went on
13:45 out and met her beg you pardon tell me
13:48 about lunch well we you know both
13:50 ordered I'm not sure remember what we
13:54 ordered but it was just a light just a
13:57 light lunch but she was so
14:00 upset uh she looked like she was you
14:02 know in shock is what she really talked
14:06 like and looked like and uh she said I
14:08 want it she said I said well I was just
14:09 curious on reason I want to talk to you
14:11 I was curious on what
14:13 happened and she said well you won't
14:15 believe it and she says I don't believe
14:18 it either but she said uh I got in a lot
14:20 of trouble on this thing I probably I'm
14:23 not real sure about this but she said
14:27 when I then she pulled out of a little
14:30 purse or little pocketbook whatever she
14:32 had there she gave me a little diagram
14:35 that she had that she had drawn some D
14:39 some uh figures of of some arms in the
14:42 face and so on she told me that this is
14:45 what you know was what was in those that
14:48 it was a crash wasn't an airplane but
14:49 they didn't know what it was at that
14:52 time these were bodies yeah but she said
14:54 we have three bodies that there was
14:56 three bodies she said two of them were very
14:57 very
15:00 mutilated one look like it might have
15:02 walked out that it you know might have
15:05 lived a little while and she explained
15:08 they were like three and A2 ft four feet
15:14 tall the uh two of the bodies were the
15:16 the you couldn't identify much because
15:18 they were practically destroyed and it
15:21 looked like maybe that they might have
15:24 been uh a predatory animal or something
15:28 might have uh been doing some damage on
15:31 the bodies too how did she describe your
15:34 head your hands well she said the your
15:36 head and then the the little drawings
15:39 that I had she the way she explained it
15:41 and the way she drew it that the heads
15:45 were somewhat larger than than a human
15:48 heads the hands were long no thumbs it
15:51 was just the long very delicate fingers
15:54 at the end of on the underside at the
15:59 tip of each fingers was a pad likee um
16:00 maybe a little Pad but it looked like
16:02 the skin had maybe little suction like
16:07 the little suction cups on those on the
16:11 uh no fingernails on the
16:15 hands the head the lips were very just a
16:18 long narrow more or less not full lips
16:21 like we would have in a in most of our
16:25 people but very fine line very fine lips
16:28 uh there was no teeth that was the
16:31 inside of of the mouth it was it was
16:32 kind of like a
16:38 real uh a gums maybe it was uh you said
16:40 explained it it was almost as hard as if
16:45 it was rawh hiide maybe H that the uh
16:48 the ears there was only two small orices
16:51 on each side of the head with look like
16:54 a couple of small loes that might some
16:57 way that might cover both of those but
16:59 there was not a p
17:02 ear and also that the nose there was
17:06 only two small orices in the nose with
17:09 it was there was really no nose that
17:15 was convex it was all just flush with
17:22 face was she emotional about all this
17:25 very much so very emotional she would
17:28 have to stop and drink water every once
17:30 in a while and
17:33 also she never touched her meal that all
17:34 the time we were talking in an hour and
17:36 a half that we were there she never
17:37 touched her
17:41 meal any other demonstrations of emotion
17:44 indications of how she was excited well
17:46 just you know every once in a while
17:49 she'd go like this you know and ringing
17:52 her hands and she said it was the most
17:55 most uh horri I've never been so
17:56 horrified in my life I've never seen
17:59 anything so gruesome in my life I've
18:01 never smelt anything that smelt worse in
18:05 my life and she told me that when I saw
18:07 her she was leaving the room to go to
18:09 the bathroom because she was deathly ill
18:13 and was going to throw up did she
18:15 recognize any of the doctors by the
18:17 examining the body she told
18:21 me U she said I don't I ask you that
18:23 question which of the doctors and she
18:26 said I don't know that she said I don't
18:28 know that I knew them and that was her answer
18:30 answer
18:32 so but she said she walked in the room
18:33 and they said hey we need you you need
18:34 to help
18:37 us and uh that was way she became
18:39 involved in it then she got ill the
18:42 doctors also became very ill they would
18:44 have to do little examination then
18:46 they'd have to leave and go sit down and
18:47 then they would come back and do a
18:54 bad after your conversation with her at
18:56 launch can you
18:58 describe what happened that did you how
19:01 you r to see her again and how you
19:04 learned the well yeah we visited a while
19:06 and then I had to get back to the
19:10 funeral home go back to work but uh then
19:13 uh I never did see her after that and I
19:14 called out the next day to see how she
19:17 was feeling see what and they told me
19:20 that she wasn't available then I
19:22 wouldn't be available that day I called
19:25 the next day and they told me that she'd been
19:26 been
19:28 transferred and it was rather odd
19:30 because CU she'd only been at the base
19:32 Less Than 3 months that was her on
19:33 commission less than three months and
19:35 that was her first assignment so it was
19:37 rather odd that she would be transferred
19:40 out you know within three
19:43 months so later on you attempted you got
19:45 a I guess you got a letter then about
19:48 two weeks probably two weeks at least
19:50 two weeks could have been a little
19:51 longer but I know it was at least two
19:54 weeks I got a I got a letter addressed
19:58 to me at glenis at The Bard funel home
20:01 with uh she didn't sign it didn't have
20:03 any returned address or anything on it
20:06 but inside of the letter it was just a
20:08 note she said I don't have time to write
20:12 I will write later later this is my APO
20:15 number and that was that was extent of
20:21 it so then I wrote back to her and uh
20:23 asking her more or less how you know how
20:25 she was feeling and why the sudden
20:27 transfer and then I was hope that she
20:30 wasn't in any trouble it was just a
20:32 short note I really didn't go into a lot
20:35 of detail or anything then probably 3
20:38 weeks or probably a month after that
20:40 then I got the letter that I had mailed
20:44 to her it was return it was stamped
20:47 return and also it's on the on in red
20:50 printing it said deceased and that's the
20:53 last time I ever heard or heard anything
20:56 about it then well probably then I went
20:58 out to the base
21:01 uh few days later and I was talking to
21:02 one of the nurses and I said you know
21:04 whatever happened to the lieutenant and
21:06 she said well the rumor is that we heard
21:08 that she was killed with five other
21:11 nurses in a training mission in a plane
21:14 crash and that was it no indication
21:16 where well it was in London England she
21:18 said in my in the note that she sent me
21:22 that she was in London Station in London
21:23 and that was it that's the last time I
21:27 ever heard do you believe that she's
21:29 dead no I don't think so after all
21:31 that's happening and after you know
21:33 threatening me and everything I doubt
21:36 very seriously that she
21:39 was I would hope
21:42 not what would you like to say to her if
21:44 she happen to see this well she happened
21:47 to this see if she she feels like
21:49 like
21:51 the you know she wants to talk if she
21:54 feels like I would like to hear from her
21:58 yes see what's been going on in her life
22:01 and why she wasn't able to contact
22:15 for um
22:17 um
22:19 now the
22:22 sheriff told your father you were in
22:24 trouble okay what happened there then
22:27 the next day after I was there when I
22:30 had the problem problem with the officer
22:31 and the black
22:36 man I was told my father was contacted
22:38 by our Sheriff George Wilcox which was a
22:39 very close friend of my father they were
22:40 very good
22:47 friends and uh he called uh to see if my
22:48 father was home because he wanted to
22:50 come out and talk to my
22:53 father and he did so and he told my
22:55 father that there was a black sergeant
22:58 from the base that came to the his
23:01 office was inquiring about who my
23:04 parents were my mother and my father if
23:07 I had any brothers or sisters and all
23:09 you know wanted to know my what my
23:12 personal family who they were and where
23:14 they were George said that he didn't he
23:16 knew I had some family but he didn't
23:18 know you know where they were anything
23:22 else so anyway he told my father that he
23:24 did contact my father and he told my
23:26 father that he thought I might be in
23:28 some trouble
23:31 and uh but he didn't they evidently
23:36 didn't explain why I was in trouble so
23:38 you know first thing my father did was
23:40 get in his car and come to the funeral
23:42 home he said we had to talk because he
23:45 and I were very close we were real you
23:46 know real good friends the best friend I
23:49 ever had was my father he said I've got
23:51 to talk he said if you're in trouble he
23:53 said we we've got to do something about
23:55 and I said I'm not in trouble he said
23:58 well you are he said George Wilcox told
24:00 me that you were in a lot of
24:02 trouble and that you got involved in
24:04 something that you had no business
24:05 getting involved
24:07 in and that you could be in a lot of
24:11 trouble and I said then so I told my
24:13 father the story and he's the only man
24:16 that I've ever told this story to until
24:18 I talk to Stan fredman and to you people
24:20 and that's it
24:23 period And I did tell my father what
24:26 what the story was of course it was you
24:29 know it was unbelievable for him
24:31 but then he became very upset and he
24:33 wanted to go shoot a few people and all
24:35 that because they did threaten my life
24:37 and you know and they
24:38 they
24:41 so that was the way my father heard
24:43 about it and that was extent my family
24:44 and he never would tell them who my
24:46 brother I had a brother that was a
24:50 fighter pilot during that time and I had
24:53 three sisters and uh one of them was a
24:56 nurse but I but he would never tell them
24:58 anything and so he didn't tell the
25:00 sheriff or anybody else cuz the sheriff
25:01 was supposed to call him back and give
25:02 him the names and where they were at and
25:08 he wouldn't do it let's get back to your
25:12 friend did she Express an opinion as to
25:17 what she thought these beings were did
25:20 she think did she think they came with
25:24 well she all she was all the only remark
25:25 that she ever made was that they
25:29 definitely weren't humans as as we know
25:31 humans but they could be from another
25:33 planet or the doctors were explaining
25:35 this that they couldn't be from our
25:38 planet they had to be an alien it had to
25:42 be something else but not not in our
25:45 planet she had a phas she used to
25:47 describe how they look to her you
25:50 remember that you were telling you like
25:53 little black chin well she said that
25:55 well of course they were you know first
25:57 thing she said they were black they were
26:00 just as black as it could be but
26:02 probably laying out in the elements in
26:05 in July and Roswell with 105 to 110
26:07 temperature every day and 80 degrees or
26:10 so at night I mean that's not that
26:12 wouldn't be Inc commmon because we
26:14 picked up a lot of sheep HS of people
26:17 that have been found dead that's laying
26:18 in the desert you know for days and
26:21 didn't more rattlesnakes or whatever and
26:23 they do turn you know as black as they
26:26 can and I know exactly what they were
26:28 talking about be
26:31 with the smell and the odor being so
26:33 drastic because this is a very
26:36 unpleasant situation you know and let's
26:39 talk about their eyes how did she
26:41 describe their eyes well she said that
26:44 of course Their Eyes Were set back into
26:47 the skull oh and it was a remarkable I
26:49 thought it was interesting also that she
26:51 said their skulls the doctor said their
26:54 skulled bone structure wasn't like ours
26:56 it wasn't actually a bone it was
26:59 probably a real heavy cartilage it it
27:01 looked more or less like a newborn baby
27:03 the skull was very pliable you could
27:06 Mash on the skull and it would you know
27:07 it would
27:11 give and so it the bone structure it
27:13 wasn't bones not like our bones it was
27:15 our skull and
27:17 everything what about the bones and the
27:19 hands and arms is said very fine very
27:21 delicate the arm bones they like the
27:25 radial the Y and in the arm that uh that
27:27 was so fine that he doubt if they could
27:29 lift you know she said they doubt if
27:31 they anyone in that that size and the
27:33 arms of that could lift 50 lbs on the
27:35 earth or anywhere else you know they
27:38 doubted they had that strength but she
27:42 said what the one that hadn't been uh
27:45 mutilated to a great extent it reminded
27:48 him of a real small ancient Chinese
27:50 person no hair at
27:55 all and uh very very delicate skin in
27:57 fact they said the skin would look like
28:03 transparent
28:06 um why don't you give me a paragraph on
28:07 the years
28:11 and well the ears like I think I stated
28:14 to you that the ears there was a couple
28:16 of small orices one on top of the other
28:20 with two little lobe flaps one over the
28:22 other they didn't really know how those
28:24 if they had any significance how they
28:26 worked or what they wasn't I mean they
28:29 didn't go into that the nose was only a
28:32 couple of very small orices holes right
28:36 there just above the lip line but it had
28:39 uh there wasn't anything covering it and
28:41 it was just like two small indentations
28:43 there and that was
28:48 it said it was very unusual does anyone
28:52 else you you're talking about the hands
28:55 the hands yeah descri hands the the
28:58 hands well there was one hand
29:00 there was there was one hand that
29:04 evidently that wasn't attached to the
29:07 arm and she said that where she got sick
29:09 and left the room was that this doctor
29:11 had the long forp and pick the hand up
29:13 and turned it over and that's when they
29:16 noticed that there wasn't any thumb none
29:18 of them had none of the bodies had any
29:20 thumbs or anything they were just long very
29:21 very
29:25 fine U very delicate fingers no
29:28 fingernails but right at the tip of each
29:29 finger right at the tip of each finger
29:32 it looked like there was a pad and in
29:34 this pad it looked like it might have
29:36 had very small little they were like
29:39 little suction cups very minute suction
29:40 cups the doctor that's the way he
29:42 explained it that was looking at
29:45 it let's
29:49 tap we need to get the arm as well okay
29:51 yes the arm we need to go about the arm
29:53 really magazine we published and with
29:56 the ads of the tips maybe you can get
29:59 can you get a copy of them I can that be
30:01 happy it's
30:05 amazing it all fits together that's
30:07 thing obviously it would know about your
30:10 information yeah well see I've never
30:12 I've never discussed this with anyone my
30:13 father was the only person I really ever
30:15 discussed this I didn't discuss it at
30:17 the funeral home or anything else I
30:19 never discussed it with any of my family
30:22 period I never have until I met Stan
30:25 Freeman two years ago it's the first
30:27 time I ever discussed it would you have
30:29 an interest in dubs of testimony that we
30:31 get from other people here I'd be happy
30:34 I'd love to yeah but I you know I'd love
30:36 to I'd like to have a tape of mine also if
30:37 if
30:41 you you know maybe can send you two one
30:43 you know my daughter said if you know I
30:45 want to tape of this and I want to keep
30:47 it you know and I want it in the family
30:49 but we we'll we'll make you up yeah I
30:52 would have to you know whatever if you
30:54 guys feel comfortable I'd love to you
30:56 know have some tapes or whatever you
30:58 know absolutely we got quite a few that
31:00 we could probably run off what you have
31:04 VHS or beta machine tap I I'll see till
31:06 we get some thought of other people's
31:08 interview I just go to Kmart or wherever
31:10 and buy the I think we have the tap
31:13 going now why don't we start with
31:15 the he talked about the hands for
31:17 continuity might be good to go to the
31:18 arm this will all be edited anyway but
31:20 we can start wherever you like you want
31:21 want to go let's start with the arms okay
31:29 forget the
31:32 camera see if he was ready it's not
31:35 there it's not there it's all right but
31:39 you were asking me to to describe the
31:41 arms and this was another thing that the
31:44 lieutenant brought out that it was that
31:48 it was very uh the difference between
31:51 their and ours that the that the from
31:54 the rest to the first joint here that it
31:57 was probably one and a half times longer
32:00 than the top part up here it was it was
32:03 very oddl looking it was very odd she
32:05 said and
32:07 U the
32:12 uh very small very small arms very
32:15 small bone structure bone structure was
32:18 bone structure uh of course I asked her
32:21 about the bones because we were talking
32:22 about the wrist bones and everything and
32:24 she said it was very similar to ours but
32:27 the bones were so small that that their
32:29 bones proba wasn't in in the arm wasn't
32:35 any larger than my finger W so um okay
32:37 now give me two three sentences on how
32:39 they were dressed she we never mentioned
32:42 it never talked about the dress did she
32:45 say anything about sex so was she able
32:47 she said she really never she was so
32:49 sick and everything that never even
32:50 entered her
32:54 mind so was it guess not no way to
32:57 determine the sex of the beings then well
32:58 well
33:00 it wasn't discussed with her it probably
33:02 was but
33:04 she like she said I was so ill and so
33:08 horrified that that I don't you know she
33:11 said she sat up all night and and she
33:13 knew I was going to be real concerned
33:15 knew I was going to be on what happened
33:17 you know she knew that I got in trouble
33:21 probably and she would drew that you
33:23 know she set up and made a little notes
33:25 on the back of these little prescription
33:28 pads and that's what she had her notes
33:30 made out and that's what we discussed
33:32 particularly what she had I was very
33:35 interested in that you had kept so many
33:38 records of the incident and pertaining
33:41 to everything that you know regarding
33:43 the UFO correction and you kept them in
33:46 the uh you know there at Bard and then
33:49 later they disappeared could you give us
33:52 well I was really in charge of all the
33:54 military contracts I did all the bids
33:55 and everything and really took care of
33:58 all the contracts myself
34:01 and uh that was that was one of my
34:03 duties at funeral to take care of the
34:06 military and I had a file I had a file
34:07 on everything had ever happened at
34:11 Walker Air Base the like Bob Hope and
34:12 different some of the big orchestras and
34:14 everybody had come and have the big
34:15 parties and everything and the hangers
34:18 you know I tended but I would also have
34:20 pictures and everything I had a personal
34:23 file that I kept and I kept everything
34:26 in this file that that that pertained
34:29 that I attended or or whatever and this
34:32 is where I put the diagrams and the
34:34 notes that she gave me was in my
34:36 personal file well then the Ballard
34:37 funeral home
34:41 sold at a later date several years later
34:45 that it sold and the people that bought
34:47 the funeral home these were files that
34:51 they were the old files that that that
34:53 they kept in the basement down in the
34:56 furnace room and they had all the milit
34:58 I had all the military fire s together
35:00 in one filing cabinet everything had
35:02 happened at the base and everything we
35:05 also had the contract at Fort suar Air
35:08 Base they had a glider base there and
35:12 also fighter pilot training there in the
35:16 p47 and 51s and so on and so I had all
35:19 the files everything was one filing
35:21 cabinet was strictly all military and
35:23 that's where I had all this filed away I
35:25 had all this filed away I even had the
35:28 newspaper that Walter hot the head lines
35:30 and all this the next day I had all that
35:32 in these files what interests me is that
35:34 I have all these files all these
35:36 different topic only one was missing
35:38 when he went to look for it that was one
35:40 pertaining to this yeah can you review
35:43 that for us well no there were some of
35:45 the other files were missing also not
35:49 just my own file but my file was in the
35:53 same that yeah most of most all my files
35:56 my file was gone but there was also some files
35:57 files
36:00 uh they they had really actually had
36:02 destroyed most of the files that were
36:04 obtaining after a certain years they
36:07 just gotten rid of them and they told
36:09 the the manager funeral that's the
36:11 manager there name Raymond Otero also
36:13 told me that he knew my file was there
36:17 Joe Lucas that was the manager at that
36:20 time knew my files were there and he and
36:24 I had some personal problems and uh he
36:26 said get rid of the you know get rid of
36:28 his damn files we don't think remind us
36:31 of him that's where the files went
36:34 really there was some discussion about
36:38 how to preserve the bodies right um dry
36:39 ice and that sort of thing and you kind
36:41 of oh well where they got the ice and
36:45 things okay that's okay they then the
36:48 mortuary officer what okay how would
36:50 what would you do if you had to ship one
36:52 out and but you couldn't do anything to
36:54 it I mean that you couldn't you know do
36:57 any treatment Tre what would you do I
36:58 said don't thing you could do that I
37:01 would suggest that first thing if you
37:03 have a problem don't want to destroy any
37:06 the tissue any any blood cells anything
37:08 that you don't want to destroy I would
37:10 suggest that you contact a pathologist
37:13 and I said I'm sure the the Army
37:16 Airfield I mean somebody's got some
37:18 pathologist around I didn't know that
37:20 they had one in Rosell but I said if I
37:23 were you I'd call a pathologist and take
37:25 you know ask him what how he would like
37:27 to have it done or whatever you're going
37:29 to do or whatever it is you better do
37:31 what the pathologist because he's the
37:32 one that's going to do the autopsy and
37:35 make the reports but I said the only
37:38 thing I know you could do is just go to
37:40 clar's Dair Sunset creamy we had two at
37:43 the time and buy all the dri you can and
37:45 pack them in dry ice if that's
37:48 possible and that's what I suggest that
37:52 they do excuse me you hit my mic with
37:57 your oh sorry about thator
37:59 yeah I've done it at least eight times already
38:01 already
38:04 personal okay what you
38:07 think I think as a suggestion you might
38:09 want to do that part again if back to it
38:19 BR lnis take to
38:22 clity all right let's go back and go
38:26 over the dry icing again well
38:29 okay what I suggested that the mort to
38:31 the mortuary officer I suggested this to
38:34 the mortuary officer after and we we
38:36 discussed this probably for 20 minutes
38:39 or better on the telephone and I said I
38:41 kept telling him hey you know if you
38:43 have a problem if you got something out
38:45 there if you need our services we have
38:46 the contract I would be glad to come out
38:49 and help you take care of it he said no
38:51 this is for future kept always referring
38:53 this was for future use in case we did have
38:55 have
38:59 something but uh then I I said well you
39:01 know first thing you better do you
39:03 better get a hold of a pathologist I
39:04 don't know whether you have one at at
39:07 the base I don't but I know you probably
39:09 have the top pathologist you know
39:12 something similar to those words and I
39:14 said that's what I do and you better let
39:16 him give you the instructions and then
39:18 you better do what he tells you to do
39:19 because he's the one that's going to do the
39:19 the
39:22 autopsy and you don't if that's if it's
39:24 this sensitive you better do what he
39:26 tells you but I said the only other
39:28 suggestion I can make that you go to
39:31 Cloud's dairy or you go to Sunset
39:33 crey buy all the dry ice you can and
39:35 pack whatever you have whatever the
39:37 problem is you better pack it in dry ice
39:39 and then do whatever you have to do with
39:41 it cuz that's the only way they tried to
39:43 put it in the
39:46 morg out the morg they had two
39:49 refrigerated body compartments that we
39:50 used to put them in and then we' go out
39:52 and get the bodies from there but they
39:54 always brought the Airmen to us but on
39:56 the dependence and everything we went
39:57 out for them
40:00 but they weren't cold enough and and it
40:01 became so offensive they were afraid
40:03 they were going to you were going to
40:07 upset everybody in the hospital so they
40:10 later moved them over to a hanger and
40:11 that's the last that she knew anything
40:12 about him too the lieutenant knew
40:14 anything about
40:16 them but she doesn't know how they moved
40:19 it or anything about it but they were
40:22 taken to a hanger cuz it the offense the
40:24 odor was so offensive they couldn't that
40:26 like they said it was upsetting everything
40:28 everything
40:34 fantastic did she tell you where she
40:36 thought or where she was told the bodies
40:39 went from Roswell I'm sorry where the
40:41 bodies went from Roswell did you know
40:42 where where they they were shipped out
40:43 did you know where they went she didn't
40:46 know she never told me she never
40:49 mentioned any no suggestion whatsoever
40:51 she just said the last she heard they
40:53 were in a hanger and that's all she
40:55 knows and we never discussed anything
40:58 else I guess if that takes care of
41:00 everything would you like to watch it is
41:02 a portion just to get an idea you don't
41:06 need to watch the whole yeah let's turn
