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God is 1 not a Trinity.A Bible Study by the Christadelphians

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well

good evening everyone thank you for

coming out this evening

before we get into the scriptures

around this topic of god being one and

not three

we'd like to start by briefly

considering the history of how this concept

concept

of god being three was first formulated and

and

really we can trace it back to a

controversy that occurred in the early

church known as the aryan

controversy now

why is it called the aryan controversy

well because there was this chap called

aries and arius was

um a believer down in alexandria well he

proclaimed to be a believer a christian

and he said that there was a time when

jesus did not

exist and he said that jesus obtained

eternal life

through obedience to god and he said

that jesus was inferior

to god and in fact he based his views on

on a very early creed

called the apostles creed the apostles

creed read

i believe in god the father almighty

creator of heaven and earth

i believe in jesus christ his only son

our lord and that was the creed that he

followed and

it was followed by other church fathers

so to speak

to italian and oregon

but around this time another fellow

appears on the scene

he's a bishop a bishop of alexander and

his name

is athanasius now athanasius had a

different opinion

about jesus he said that jesus

has always existed he was right there

he's eternal

he said that jesus had always had

eternal life and he said that jesus was an

equal part of a three-part

godhead and so we can see that in the

early church then there was a dispute

these things were up for discussion they

hadn't been settled

and there was this power struggle

between arius

and athanasius a very nasty power

struggle if you go back in your history books

books

you can read kind of how powerful

athanasius was he used to get street mobs

mobs

to go and beat up the followers who

believed in arius's

view ridiculous and very unchristian but

that is how

this period of time became

became known as the aryan controversy

also around this time there was an

emperor emperor constantine

now why emperor constantine's

interesting is because he was the first

roman emperor to make christianity

legal in the roman empire

and so around 313 constantine

he wasn't really a christian himself and

he didn't do particularly christian deeds

deeds

but he decided to allow christianity to

come to the fore and it became the

the religion of choice for the roman

empire from around that point forwards

now once christianity became a religion

of the state

of the roman empire it meant that that religion

religion

entered into politics and so

there was this power struggle it wasn't

just a power struggle about religion

it was a power struggle in politics as well

well

it became a political power so this made

this athanasius very very anxious to gain

gain

the upper hand over his rival

and after a lot of goings on and forth

and a lot of division

emperor constantine wanted to unite his

empire and so

he sat down and he said i'm going to

have a council with all the bishops

with all the different views that

they've got and i'm going to preside

over this council

and we're going to decide which is the

right way forward

and which is the wrong way forward and so

the council of nicaea was held

in 325 a.d and this is what occurred uh

this is the decree the creed

that um came out from that council the decree

decree

this is what they decided they said that

they now believe in one god the father almighty

almighty

maker of all things visible and invisible

invisible

and in one lord jesus christ the son of

god begotten of the father

the only begotten that is of the essence

of the father

god of god light of light very god of

very god

begotten not made being of one substance

with the father by whom all things were made

made

both in heaven and earth but those who

say there was a time when he was not

and he was not before he was made and he

was made

out of nothing or he is of another

substance or essence

or the son of god is created or

changeable or alterable

they are condemned by the holy catholic

and apostolic

church so that's what they

decided and they decreed that forth

under the authority of the emperor who

wanted peace

in his realm and all resistance was squashed

squashed

and arius and all his other followers

who didn't agree with this

were treated as heretics and banished

and excommunicated

and so that's how the belief in the trinity

trinity

started to become come about a triune

being made up

of god and jesus and the holy spirit yet

somehow still

all one and this is how trinitarians

from that time forth kind of try and

explain it

they explain it in this diagram when we

have god in the middle

and that they say god is the father god

is the son god is the holy spirit

but the father is not the holy spirit

the holy spirit is not

the son and the son is not the holy

spirit yet they're all god

and that's how they explain it does that

make sense to you because it doesn't

make sense to me at all and actually it

doesn't make sense to

saint jerome because in the catholic encyclopedia

encyclopedia

we read this this is what the catholic

encyclopedia says indeed of all revealed truths

truths

when i say revealed truths what they

mean is all truths the church

teach that's revealed to them

this is the most impenetrable to reason

and then the catholic encyclopedia

quotes saint jerome saint jerome says

in a well-known phrase the true

profession of the mystery of the trinity

is that

is to own that we do not comprehend it

you can look that up in the catholic encyclopedia

encyclopedia

they admit this is uncomprehensible this concept

concept

of having three in one one in three

pope benedict incidentally in june the

19th last year

he he gave a speech in san marino and he said

said

when one thinks of the trinity what

really comes to mind is the mystery of

the god who is three in one

and god in three persons see how they

describe it it's a mystery

and what we find is this concept which

cannot be understood

by their own admission um that centered

in the early catholic church

how that's been swallowed up after the

council of nicaea

by many other churches which came out

and sprang

forth from the catholic church i'm just

going to whiz through these

you can look them up they're in

mainstream christianity and

all the creeds the catholic church of

course the mystery of the most holy

trinity is

central greek orthodox church they

believe in the holy trinity the father

the son the holy spirit

the methodist church says that we

believe the one god

reveals himself as the trinity

we have the evangelical lutheran church

lutherans believe in the triune god same

with the presbyterian churches

same with the church of england the god

of his godhead there be three persons

in the baptist church also believes in

the eternal

triune god so you can see then how all

mainstream christianity or the majority

of all mainstream

churches they have adopted and inherited

the decision that was made right back in

300 a.d 300 years after christ

in the nicean council they've all inherited

inherited

this belief but what we want to do this

evening as christadelphians

is to ask a very simple question

what if the council got it wrong

they were men after all weren't they not

what if they got it wrong

and we've got all these churches

assuming that that's what the truth is

and yet

maybe it's not how would we find out

whether it was true or whether it was

not true

well of course if you know anything

about crystaldelphians you'll know that

we get

right back to the source of matters the

bible itself

and one thing that's very interesting to

consider and we'll state right at the outset

outset

is that when we come to the bible the word

word

trinity is not actually found at all

in our bibles and it's interesting to consider

consider

cardinal newman he was from the church

of england and he converted later back

to be a

catholic but one of the things that he

says about the arians of the fourth

century is

from the very first the rule has been as

a matter of fact

for the church to preach the truth

and then appeal to scripture in vindication

vindication

of its own teaching and so what he's

saying is

that these councils they they taught

their own version of the truth and then

they discovered back to try and back it

up from the scriptures

well we're going to go to the scriptures

first to discover the truth

and then we'll try and make our own

conclusions and this subject

dear friends is vitally important for

anybody who claims

to follow god there's verses like this

which show us the importance of the

subject in john chapter 4 verse 23 but

the hour cometh and now is

when the true worshipers shall worship

the father in

spirit and in truth for the father

seeketh such to worship him so god's

looking for people

to worship him in truth there is a truth

about this topic it's not something that

we can kind of

back down on or or kind of accept that

we can have a multitude of views on

there is a truth and the father is

seeking those

who those who wish to worship him in truth

truth

here's another one this is how vital

this this subject is in john 17 verse 1

to 3

jesus says in prayer father

this is life eternal

that they might know thee the only

true god and jesus christ whom thou has sent

sent

so this is a matter of life and death to understand

understand

the father who is the only true god

and also as a separate being the lord

jesus christ whom

the father sent we'll come on to that in

a minute

and not to scare everybody but just to

to to put a

a word of warning across everybody's bow

so to speak

2 thessalonians 1 verse 7 to 8

the lord jesus shall be revealed from heaven

heaven

in flaming fire taking vengeance

on them that know not god and that obey not

not

the gospel of our lord jesus christ so

this is a very

serious subject and we have to handle it

very delicately it's a lofty subject

and it i'm pretty sure that even after

tonight's lecture you

may have to go and check up on some of

these things and study the subject

in detail for yourself but as we go on

now we'll try and

and simply put together what the bible teaches

teaches

about these things because if we want to

have eternal life

we need to understand who god is

so how's god described in the bible

well in the 1st of timothy chapter 6

verse 16 we read

by inspiration the apostle writes i give

thee charge in the sight of god

who only hath immortality dwelling in

the light which

no man can approach unto whom no man

hath seen

nor can see to whom the honor and power everlasting

everlasting

amen now from that verse we we clearly

read that

there is one being who only hath immortality

immortality

and he dwells in a place which man

cannot approach unto

we just can't get near him and it says

that no man had seen

god that's how powerful god is

and it says that um in other parts of scripture

scripture

that god dwells in heaven there's a few

examples there

wherein in the heavens we do not know

somewhere in space

almighty god exists in a location jesus

praise doesn't mean our father which art

in heaven

and so god then is in a place in space

somewhere we do not know we can't go there

there

and he dwells in a in light

inapproachable no man's seen

him he's the power he's the source of immortality

and he revealed himself to his people israel

israel

maybe we could turn to mark chapter 12

because this teaching is so

simple it's um it's it's strange how that

that

people can get confused by it in

deuteronomy chapter 6 and verse 4

we read hear o israel the lord our god

is one lord that's how god revealed

himself to israel his people

in the old testament and this teaching

of the

single uh entity of god is also backed

up by the lord jesus christ in mark

chapter 12

and we read uh in mark chapter 12 of an

interested scribe

verse 28 and one of the scribes came

and having heard them reasoning together

and perceiving that he had answered them

well asked him

which is the first commandment of all

and jesus answered him the first of all

the commandments is

hear o israel the lord our god

that's very clear god is one verse 32

clearly indicates that this is what the

scribe got out of this conversation

because he says in verse 32 and the

scribe said unto him

well master thou i said the truth for

there is

one god and there is none other

but he and this is how the jews

view viewed and still view god

as a monotheistic deity

he's one and this is kind of a

this uh a distinguishing feature of the jews

jews

as down through time they have they have

only accepted in

and believed in one god and that's why

they find

the idea of the trinity so abhorrent to them

and this is clearly backed up this one

god is

is called the father in our scriptures

now these verses really the next few i'm

going to put on the screen really should

should clinch the argument and i should

be able to sit down

uh we won't do that because we've got a

bit more time to fill up but

if you just take in these verses you'll see

see

how the trinity cannot fit into this teaching

teaching

1 corinthians 8 verse 6 but to us there

is but

one god the father of whom are all

things and we in him

and one lord jesus christ

by whom are all things and we by him

one god one lord jesus christ ephesians 4

6 there is one god and father of all

who is above all and through all and in your

your

1 timothy 2 verse 5 for there is one god

and one mediator between god

and then the man christ jesus

and in isaiah 45 5 i am the lord

and there is none else there is no god

beside me so it's quite clear that the

scriptures teach that there is

one god and this god is known as the father

father

and in addition to the one god the father

father

there is also the lord jesus christ

so it's very simple isn't it it's very

easy to understand that

and as we say it's confusing

when people don't seem to understand this

now this one

god the father he is he operates

he and this power in the scriptures is called

called

his spirit or his holy spirit as

sometimes it's termed

and it's this creative power which

god use uses to make everything around us

and to upkeep the universe around us

and it's this power that originates from

god himself

just want to give you a few examples i

don't know if you can see on that

that screen um what that says but

but it says there in job chapter 33

verse 4 the spirit

of god hath made me the spirit of god

the spirit that comes from

god has made job

and in job 34 we read

that if god gathers unto himself with

spirit and his breath

all flesh shall perish together and man

shall turn again unto the dust job 34

14-15 so this power then

this spirit which god has he uses it to

create everything and if he withdrew it

we'd all die and go back to the elements

from which we come from

in psalm 139 verse 7 um we read whither

shall i go

from my spirit or whether shall i free

from my presence

god's power his spirit is everywhere it

and in john 4 verse 24 we read that this

originates from god this power because

it says there that

god is a spirit and they that worship him

him

must worship him in spirit and in truth

and so we can see then that god's spirit

is is the way that he operates it's the

power source that he has

available to him to do various things

um he does various things and sometimes

he gives this power

this spirit to to individuals to help him

him

in his purpose for example in numbers it says

says

that um that he gave joshua his spirit

in judges 14 6 it talks about his spirit

being given

to samson and to have great strength

in luke 1 verse 35 which we'll look at

in a minute

it says that um the holy spirit would

come upon mary

and by the holy spirit that power the

lord jesus christ

would be made in nehemiah 9

30 it talks about god's spirit

causing the scriptures that we hold in

our hands today to be written

it says yet many years since thou

forebear them and testifiest against

them by thy

spirits in thy prophets

and in 2 peter 1 21 for the prophecy

came not

in all time by the will of man but holy

men of god spake as they were moved by

the holy ghost

or the holy spirit which is a bed of translation

translation

john chapter 6 verse 63

says it is the spirit that quickeneth

or makes people live the flesh

properties nothing

the words that i jesus speak unto you

they are spirit and they are life and so

we see that the word of god was

was produced also by god's spirit power

and he caused men to be inspired to

write these things down and it is his

word in fact

that we are reading here

but quite clearly then if we put all

those verses and we could have chucked

him a load more

um as well but quite clearly then it's

quite clear

that the holy spirit is god's power in

none of these verses does it denote

a person who is also part of the godhead

as trinitarians would have us believe

i would put a little caveat in there

slightly because sometimes this power

the holy spirit is personified

in our scriptures but we need to bear in

mind the whole

aspect of scripture before we jump to

any conclusions

now we've already mentioned that god the father

father

the single power source

he can't be approached by now one

timothy 6 16 there's another one there

john 1 18. no man have seen god at any time

time

the only begotten son which is in the

bosom of the father he hath declared him

so no man can see god no man can approach

approach

unto god and they've not seen him at any time

time

now how then does god operate with man

on earth well he does this by his

messengers initially in the old

testament the angels i'd like

us to have a look at an example of this

in exodus chapter three

it's a well-known account of how moses

he um sees a burning bush

and from this burning bush he speaks

with god and

there's some particular details which

are vitally important for us to understand

understand

how god operates and how god reveals himself

himself

to men in this account so we're looking

at exodus

and chapter three and we'd just like to

to look at verse 2

where it says and the

angel of the lord appeared unto him

in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush

bush

so it's quite clear there that it says

an angel

of the lord appears in the bush

but then look what this angel does

verse six moreover he

the angel said i am the god

of thy father the god of abraham the god

of isaac

and the god of jacob and moses hid his

face for he was afraid to look upon

god so moses was concerned because he

think he was thinking

am i looking at god here because i you

know he this angel this this

this manifestation is is is revealing

himself as god

and no man can look on god and live at

any time

and so moses is concerned we get the same

same

um thing revealed to us in acts 7 where

it says

that um when 40 years were expired there

appeared to moses in the wilderness of

mount sinai an angel of the lord in a

flame of fire in a bush

and this is the important point because

when the angel speaks how does he speak

he says

i am the god of thy fathers the god of

abraham the god of isaac and the god of

jacob and moses trembled

and does not behold and what this

shows to us is that that angel

was in fact a representative a representative

representative

a manifestation we call it of god

when that angel spoke he spoke as god spoke

spoke

he was god's representative

he wasn't god himself he was

his representative and the same kind of thing

thing

occurs in other parts of the bible for

example in genesis we read of

jacob wrestling with god and then in

hosea we read that actually he saw an angel

angel

and we get lots of instances where

angels when they speak

they speak on behalf of god and it's

it's where

where they go it's said that god goes

and so we get the idea that these angels

are manifestations of god they aren't

god himself but they are doing his will

they're revealing his character they're

revealing his purpose

and so um and so forth

now in this chapter in exodus chapter

three i want to point out something else

we've got to do this bit of groundwork

because as we carry on

this will become important and you'll

see why it becomes important in a few moments

moments

because as we carry on we read here in

verse 14

how god the angel god through the angel

reveals himself to moses and he gives moses

moses

his name we read in verse 14 and god

said unto moses i am that i

am and he said thus shalt thou say

unto the children of israel i am

hath sent me unto you and god said

moreover unto moses thus

shalt thou say unto the children of

israel the lord god of your fathers the

god of abraham the god of isaac and the

god of jacob had sent me

unto you this is my name forever and this

this

so god's name is revealed it's not a

brilliant translation to be honest

i am that i am it's better translated i

will be

who i will be because the idea of the hebrew

hebrew

is that it has a plurality about it

and also it has a future tense

involved in it and so in verse 14

where it says i am that i am it's the

hebrew aya

i will be who i will be and that's how god

god

speaks he says i will be who i will be

but when he then says to moses to go

and tell the children of israel about

this name he uses it

as a proper noun not in the first person

and he says

go and tell israel the lord where it

says they're the lord in capitals that's

the hebrew yahweh or sometimes pronounced

pronounced

jehovah and that means he

who will be and so right here right back

in exodus we have here a concept

that god a single power be

powerful being is going to reveal

himself he's going to be

in a multiplicity of beings in the future

future

now that could be quite difficult to

grasp but hopefully as we go on

it will become clearer why that

principle which we call god manifestation

manifestation

is vitally important to understanding

this topic

about the trinity not being true

let's have another quick example of one

of these angels manifesting

god's name manifesting god's character

exodus chapter 23

verse 20 god gives israel a special angel

angel

a name-bearing angel it says there verse

20 behold

i send an angel before thee to keep me

in the way and to bring thee into the

place which i have prepared

beware of him and obey his voice provoke

him not for he will not pardon your transgressions

transgressions

for my name is in him

but if thou shalt indeed obey his voice

and do all that

i speak then i will be

an enemy unto thine enemies and an adversary

adversary

unto thine adversaries so we see how

this angel

and how god operated through this angel

this angel represented god

when he spoke god spoke and they were to

obey this angel

as if he was god himself because what he spoke

spoke

so god then manifested himself in

angelic beings

as he conducted his affairs with men

what i'd like to do now is is to

consider the fact that god did not just

wish to limit it to angels in the way

that he revealed himself

turn with me to two samuel and chapter

seven because

god right from the very beginning right

back in genesis we could have gone so in fact

fact

but it's it's something we should pick

up here in 2 samuel 7.

god said that he was going to reveal

and that son of course was the lord

jesus christ

we read at verse 12

a promise that god gave to david

god says to david and when thy days be fulfilled

fulfilled

and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers

i will set up thy seed after thee

which shall proceed out of thy bowels

and i will establish

his kingdom he shall build a house for

my name and i will establish

the throne of his kingdom forever

so david was to have a seed a descendant

who would have a kingdom that would last forever

forever

this is a promise in the old testament

and look what it says in verse 14 it says

says

i will be his father and he

shall be my son so this seed was to be

the son

of god and also a descendant of david

but the most important thing to note

about this particular seed

is the words that we read in verse 13

where it says

he shall build and house for my name

so he's connected somehow with god's name

name

with the manifest of god's manifestation

and what i'd like to do now is is turn

to another reference

in the psalms now this reference in psalm

psalm

89 is a commentary about that promise

that god

made to david back in to

samuel and we read

sometimes we have to do this in

scripture don't we we have to compare

other parts of scriptures to get the

full meaning

of what is meant in psalm 89 we read in

verse 20

about uh well verse 20 to 24 about this promise

promise

that god had made with david he says

i've found david my servant

with my holy oil have i anointed him so

he's been in a privileged position

with whom my hand shall be established

mine arm also shall strengthen him

the enemy shall not exact upon him nor

the son of wickedness afflict him

and all beat down his foes before his

face and plague them

that hate him so there were some

blessings that david would have

but in particular the blessing of his seed

seed

or as it's mentioned in the next verse his

his

but my faithfulness and my mercy shall

be with him

and in my name shall his horn

be exalted his horn his honor his offspring

offspring

and we know that that's what it means

because it's mentioned in verse 36

his seed shall endure forever that's the

context the seed of david

but now what i want to do is look at the

detail here

it says about this seed in verse 26

that he shall cry unto me thou art my father

father

my god and the rock of my salvation

also i god will make him my firstborn

higher than the kings of the earth so

this is a prophecy about the lord jesus christ

christ

the son of god who would come in

fulfillment to the promise

to david but notice the detail

god would be his father and god

would be the rock of his salvation so

this one that would come would need

saving and also look it says

i will make him my firstborn

and what that does is it scuffles the

idea that jesus was

the son of god in the old testament

because he had not yet been made god's

firstborn i

will make him my firstborn a future prophecy

prophecy

and so this one was going to come in the future

future

the son of god who would also be related

to death because he would need salvation

but he would be um the son of god and

i think i missed that but if you're

still there look at verse 24 because it

says in my name and i just want to

underline that because that connects it

all back through to the yahweh name that

was manifest in the angels

but that would now come forward in the

lord jesus christ

and so this was in the purpose of god

right from the beginning

to have this one who would come who

would manifest him

in a a immortal man made

in a man man's frame

and we read of that in john chapter one

in the beginning was the word and the

word was with god

and the word was god

word there the word for word is in the

greek is logos

and it means the mental faculty of

thinking meditating reasoning

calculating doctrine teaching a decree

mandator order

a promise which we can sum up as the

purpose of god

so in the beginning was the purpose of god

god

and the purpose of god was with god and

the purpose of god was god that was

what he was all about this purpose

and then we read that this purpose of

revealing himself in the promised sea

became flesh and the purpose became

flesh verse 14 of john 1

and dwelt among us and we beheld his glory

glory

as as of the only begotten from the

father full of

grace and truth and so god

fulfilled his promise and started to

fulfill it

in the lord jesus christ who came to

manifest god's character to the world

let's turn over to luke chapter one

and just just concern ourselves with the birth

birth

and the account of the birth of the lord

jesus christ and see

if there's anything in this account that

would indicate that jesus was

in fact part of the trinity because it

doesn't indicate that

in the slightest and also whilst we're

considering that as a side point

i want you to consider what the the word

of god says here about the holy spirit

because it's clear as well if we unders

if we read this carefully that

the holy spirit is clearly not god as

well so we read there

luke chapter 1 and verse 32 and this is

when the angel appears to mary

well verse 31 for connection and behold

thou shalt conceive in thy womb

and shall bring forth a son and shalt

call his name jesus

he shall be great and shall be called

the son of the highest

and the lord god shall give unto him the

throne of his father david remember

the promise back into samuel 7 about the

the throne be being established forever

this is going to be fulfilled in the

lord jesus christ

verse 33 and he shall reign over the

house of jacob forever

and of his kingdom there shall be

then said mary unto the angel how shall

this be seeing i know not a man

and the angel answered and said unto her

the holy ghost or holy spirit

shall come upon me and the power of the highest

highest

shall overshadow thee therefore also

that holy thing

which shall be born of thee shall be called

called

and so we see then don't we how firstly

that the holy spirit is the power of the highest

highest

which was used to bring forth the lord

jesus christ the holy spirit of course

was controlled by god and to fulfill his

purpose and so in that sense

god jesus came from the father but only

in that sense

and so we see that jesus was caused to

be born

by god's power and he is the son of god

but we can also see that that he's the

son of mary and the descendant of

of david and so he has two things within him

him

he has the character of god which was to

develop in him

but he had the nature of man inherited

from mary

and so he was a human being but he would

manifest the character of god

perfectly and we'll come on to that in

just a moment

but that's a little side point it says

there in matthew 1 18

the kind of the the jewel account and

the birth of jesus christ was on this

wise when as his mother mary was a

spouse to joseph

before they came together she was found

with child of the holy spirit

now if you're a trinitarian and you

believe that

the father and the holy spirit

and they they well the father gave birth

as it were or created or

or man i don't know what even what they

would say but the father

here clearly um didn't cause

but if you excuse me let me just rewind

that whole sentence right back again

what what was being confusing about this

is that the holy spirit

or the holy ghost would in fact be the

father of jesus

because it says that she was found with

child of the holy spirit

but that would clearly be very very confusing

confusing

because surely the father would be the

father of jesus

it only makes sense if the holy spirit

nothing in that passage by the way said

that jesus

was reborn and kind of came down and was

reborn as as

inside mary does it no it doesn't and so

as we said jesus was the son of man

he was also the son of god and truly

trinitarians will make would have us

believe that he's god the son

now how many times do you think in the

bible jesus is referred to

in the new testament as the son of man

well by my

rough calculations 89 times

the term son of god is also referred to

jesus 47 times

how many times do you think he's called

zero times and as we've already said

the word trinity is not mentioned in the bible

bible

at all he's never known as god the son

and he's never known as part of the

trinity we have to read these ideas if

we're going to believe in the trinity

into every single passage

that we might care to try and use to justify

justify

our views so he was the son of god

jesus uh we read in john chapter 3 verse 16

that we read for god so loved the world

that he gave his only begotten son that

whosoever believeth in him should not

perish but have

everlasting life and

in hebrews um the apostle paul through

inspiration says

uh that god said for what for unto which

of the angels said he at any time

thou art my son this day

have i begotten me so

jesus was born he was begotten the very

fact that the bible says that jesus was begotten

begotten

means that he didn't exist beforehand

begotten means to be born

to bear an offspring he was the

offspring of god the father

he was not god the father himself

and we see there that he was begotten on

a particular point

in time this day have i begotten them

so he wasn't there from everlasting to everlasting

everlasting

he was there a particular point in time

and and in

luke 2 verse 52 we read jesus increased

in wisdom and stature

and in favor with god and man if jesus

was god how can increase in favor

with himself and so the child grew and

we know that he received the holy spirit

when he was baptized don't we

and again how can he receive the holy

spirit if he was in fact

part of the holy spirit himself

so if jesus wasn't god who was he well

actually before we look at that

turn to matthew chapter 16 because we have

have

the confession here of peter and it's

very clear

who jesus claimed to be matthew chapter 16

jesus said unto him then the apostles

but whom say ye that i am and simon

peter answered and said thou

art the christ the son of the living god

and jesus answered and said unto him

blessed art thou simon barjona for

flesh and blood have not revealed it

unto thee but my father

which is in heaven so that's who jesus

said he was he was the son of god

god was his father in john 5

43 connecting all of the points that

we've made right up together

jesus says i am come in my father's name

he was like that angel in the old

testament who bore

god's name he represented god when jesus spoke

spoke

it was as if god spoke when jesus did

particular things

he was doing it in the name of the father

father

he manifested the father but he wasn't

the father

john 7 16 says my doctrine is not mine

but his that sent me in john 8 28 he

says i

do nothing of myself but as my father

taught me

i speak these things he says in john 14

28 my father is greater than i

and he says in john 17 verse 6 that

phrase that we've

mentioned is a scriptural phrase he says

i have

manifested thy name unto the men which thou

thou

gavest me out of the world thine they were

were

now gave us to me and they have kept thy

will so jesus then

was the son of god he was a man he had

a divine character he followed all the

ways of god

and he was a manifestation of god but he

was not

god himself and this is backed up by

various other scriptures which we're not

gonna have a great deal of time to consider

consider

but one timothy 3 16 said god was

manifest in the flesh

in john 1 18 no man has seen god at any time

time

but jesus hath declared him

in galatians 4 verse 4 and 5 it says

that god sent forth his son

made of a woman made under the law to redeem

redeem

them that were under the law that we

might receive the status of sonship

and so that's the purpose and we'll come

on to that to conclude in a few moments

it says in 2 corinthians 4 verse 4 that

christ was the image of god he wasn't

god himself

he was the image of god if i made an image

image

of uh of one of you it wouldn't be you

it would represent you

and that's what is being taught by paul there

there

in acts chapter 2 verse 22 jesus of nazareth

nazareth

a man approved of god among you by

miracles so he was a man

and he was approved of god

and that's another interesting bit if we

carry on reading that verse from acts 2 22

it is among you by miracles and wonders

and signs

which god did by or through him

so it's quite clear that god was not

jesus and jesus was not god but that god operated

operated

through jesus and then in 2 corinthians

5 verse 19 with those things in mind we

can understand what it means when he says

says

to wit that god was in christ

reconciling the world unto himself not

imputing their trespasses unto them and

have committed unto us the word

of reconciliation so through the work of christ

christ

and can it not it can't be any clearer

can it

one timothy two verse five for there is

one god

and one mediator between god and men

the man jesus christ

and this man he was in our nature wasn't

he because

it says that in hebrews 2 10 that he

needed to be made perfect through sufferings

sufferings

he wasn't perfect before he'd suffered

he was a man like in in in terms of his

nature like us but not in his character

because he did not sin it says in

hebrews 5

7 that god was able to save him from

death in hebrews 7 27 we

read about how he had to make an

offering for the nature that he bought

and in hebrews 13 20 through the blood

that he had to shed of the everlasting

covenant his sacrifice that he had to offer

offer

first for himself and then for those who

he he was a man we see that hebrews 2 12

for as much then as the children are

partakers of flesh and blood

he also himself likewise took part of

the saying

that through death he might destroy him

that had the power of death that is the

devil or synchronous nature so he was

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