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Mathematical Miracles in the Qur'an: A Measured Approach with Amin Lessan

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This content explores the concept of mathematical miracles within the Quran, advocating for a measured and evidence-based approach that avoids overreaching or unsubstantiated claims, while highlighting genuine patterns that suggest a divine origin.

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hello everyone and welcome to blogging

Theology and today I'm delighted to talk

to amine Lon you're most welcome sir

Salam alaykum wum Salam thank you for

having me fall absolute pleasure uh to

have you here today and Aman is a fourth

year PhD student at UCL otherwise known

as University College London which is

consistently ranked as one of the top 10

universities in the world he's studying

AI enabled Health Care specifically

focusing on applying AI methods in the

context of brain cancer to help develop

more personalized treatment for patients

his Masters was in data science and

machine learning also at UCL where he

learned quantitive programming methods

to examine data his Bachelors was in

computer science at the University of

Bristol now he's interested in the

miraculous nature of the Quran from a

variety of perspectives including but

not limited to its remarkable

mathematically precise patterns but he's

interested in this in a much more

nuanced and measured way some claims

have gone arguably over the top and

potentially discredited the whole idea

of remarkable mathematical phenomena in

the Quran so Amin today is going to

address this uh with a presentation so

over to you sir thanks so much Paul and

uh thanks for inviting me I feel yeah

quite humble to be on here um so you've

given a really great introduction I

think that kind of encapsulates my own

introduction quite well but as as I've

shown in the title here um I'm going to

be introducing the idea of mathematical

miracles in the Quran um and I've added

here a measured approach which the pun

wasn't intended but the idea was to make

sure that we're not overreaching uh in

this field so just as a disclaimer

um I haven't like discovered any like um

significant mathematical miracles in the

Quran itself but what I've done in this

presentation today and I hope to

communicate is that everything I show is

something that I recapitulated myself um

using my own programming skills Excel

skills um and in some segments I even

show proof of that so the idea is to

restore a sense of transparency and

Trust in this um study of the Quran so

that kind of leads into the this

introductory slide so why should we look

at the Quran from a mathematical

perspective at all um well the study of

the beauty of the Quran is quite

multifaceted and it's got many

remarkable aspects to it countless

remarkable aspects to it in a myriad of

domains so Linguistics history biology

astronomy human psychology uh and more

um people from different expertises will

find something uniquely remarkable to

them in the Quran um so I say why not

mathematics um you know the Quran is the

word of God we believe that as Muslims

and this is the same God who invented

mathematics and uh imbued into our

everyday surroundings into nature into

the fabric of reality

itself um so I don't think it's odd to

want to examine whether any such

signature exists in the Quran and um

moreover the Quran itself mentions

explicitly certain numbers and

mathematical Concepts as well that may

be an illusion to it inviting some

exploration from that perspective yeah

um and also there are all these miracles

in the Quran and each will cater to a

different type of person and you know to

people like myself the mathematical ones

may be especially interesting maybe less

so to other people but I just think it's

good to cover all bases

now as I was researching this because

this was just a hobby of mine but as I

was researching it I found out that

there is some surprising cont

controversy around this uh way of

examining the Quran and um first and

foremost just to put some of these

caveats forward uh the Quran is not a

book of mathematics it's not a book of

science it's not a book of History it's

not a book of linguistics first and

foremost the primary purpose of the

Quran is uh a book of purpose a book of

divine instruction for Humanity and it

outlines the goal of what it means to be

human why we are alive um I.E to worship

God uh follow his guidelines through his

Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and

to enter Paradise in the life after

death after Resurrection um and avoid

punishment so this study is merely to

appreciate one of the many remarkable

aspects of the quran's beauty um as I

alluded to earlier and to further attest

to its inhuman origin so the study of

the miraculous nature of the Quran is

not new I believe it's called Quran but

um I'm just re hopefully reigniting um

this perspective on the Quran uh itself

but uh that being said there are some

big caveats we need to avoid because

there have been some pitfalls that you

know previous people who've sort of

obsessed over um the Quran from a

mathematical angle have fallen into and

we we don't want to do that so for

instance numerology we don't want to um

look into numerology at all in the Quran

seeing it from that perspective I mean

from some aspect it's uh it's even

associating partners with God to assume

that there's some numbers that are

inherently able to grant us powers or you

you

know magical numbers and the occults and

things like yeah yeah especially the

occult which you know they really

believe in like um sacred geometry to to

an unhealthy extent we we don't want to

go there we want to just have this as an

appreciation of the Quran but not

something to you know um extrapolate

these these uh perhaps occultic

practices into um similarly we don't

want to force mathematical patterns onto

the Quran and I bring an example of this

because as you alluded to at the at the

very uh introduction Paul

um one of the things that's plagued this

study of the Quran that's been done

before from a mathematical perspective

is that people have reached too far into

trying to link some supposed

mathematical Miracle with the Quran and

some of those reaches are you know just

quite far out that someone who

encounters the mathematical study of the

Quran and that's the first thing they

see the first like Miracle they see in

this perspective um they will just be

dismissive of the entire study and that

was me

for me too because there's some

Notorious cases out there uh of people

who made extraordinary claims which

weren't really grounded in fact at all

and uh that you know and it helps to

discredit the whole whole idea but the

point of this presentation is to have a

much more sober measured as you call it

presentation based on your expertise uh

in mathematics and data analysis and so

on which you do as a PhD student and you

you You' still been able to produce some

remarkable phenomena and and that's why

it's such a a great exercise what you're

doing I think yeah yeah just to clarify

I've been able to reproduce things that

people have said so I don't I don't want

to take credit for anything here but I

do want to show as you've said that this

stuff is real so what I'll present today

actually exists you don't have to um

yeah um basically it's it's it's

actually there I'm not lying and I've

even like put some of the proof for that

so hopefully to restore a sense of

credit ability to the field as a whole

because I think it's it's a real shame

to dismiss the entirety of it because

there are some really like remarkable

gems in the Quran from a mathematical

perspective as I hope to show just a

couple examples today in um so just yeah

just to finish off so yeah we don't want

to change the Quran to fit a

mathematical model so this is something

done this but people actually said oh

these two verses are not quite right if

you change them this way then this

mathematical miracle that I'm

exist and this is course absolutely

outrageous you can't change the Quran

yeah yeah and I think even that is in a

way it's counterintuitive because one of

the Miracles we believe as Muslims is

that the Quran is preserved yeah exactly

and so you're sort of like cutting off

one miracle in order to enforce uh

another one which is arguably much less

real um so really you're not even

gaining anything by doing that I think

it's uh yeah it's not it's not good um

and just generally reaching too far

so to give an example of I want to give

a concrete example of this maybe a bit

of a light-hearted note to ease into

things but there's this case study I

want to give on overreaching a mathematical

mathematical

Miracle um the Quran and the moon

landing and uh this is an actual example

I happen to find and um it's from a

website um by like I think a

well-meaning well-intentioned uh Muslim

um blog post um and the rest of this

blog is actually I think like has some

useful da materials it seems like a

well-intentioned Muslim who wants to um

show like the remarkable nature of the

Quran and but I think this particular um

post that they had written which I just

you know searched on Google like Quan

and moonlanding is this real um I found

this and I think it's an example not

only to show that people are

overreaching but to show that

potentially well-intentioned people

without any intention of um discrediting

the Quran or making this dismissing the

study are going forth and like making

these connections which will

inadvertently actually potentially harm

um people being um interested in the

Quran in the first place so just to give

you an example of this some of the

things that were mentioned in this um

supposed mathematical Miracle so the

54th chapter of the Quran is named after

the moon soah alar and it mentions the

moon in its first

verse um so someone was saying okay well

there are 1 , 389 verses after this

verse so from this verse until the very

end of the Quran there's 1,389 verses

well it turns out the year

1,389 after Hijra is the year 1969 if

you convert it to our Gregorian calendar

this is the year that Apollo 11 set foot

on the

moon that's one claim um the time that

the astronauts Departed the moon was um

154 uh 1 seconds p.m in U this I believe

it's an American time zone um and then

the Moon being split in relation to this

the Moon being split uh in verse 541 the

first verse of Al it makes a reference

to the Moon is split um is perhaps

predicting Apollo's departure time this

departure time of 54 minutes and 1

seconds um and taking back the samples

is representative of splitting the moon

you're taking one part away from the

other so that's another claim I thought

I thought you meant the splitting as in

let's split you know you me let's depart

but you didn't mean I misunder why why

not we could even say that why not yeah

right and the point is to show anything

could go if you like tie it like this

way and finally the first verse ofah

alar the Surah of the chapter on the

moon has 22 letters and the Apollo 11

crew happened to take back 21.7 kg of

moon rock with them which if you round

it up to 22 clearly indicates that the

Quran predicts the amount of moon rocks

that Apollo 11 would return with so and

someone actually argue this you say on a

website yeah and I'm not ridiculing the

person I'm just you know because I

genuinely think this person was

well-intentioned well meaning because

the rest of their blog seems quite sober

and and meaningful but this is a post

that indicates even more so that people

like this can fall easily into the Trap

of trying to draw these connections and

they think well what's the harm but the

harm is that it might discredit the

entirety of the study um of the Quran

from mathematical perspectives because I

I would say this is overreaching these

two events that we've seen in these

claims are connected with a lot of loose

cables I would say so for instance the

first claim there are indeed 1,389

verses after this first verse um but

that choosing that as a reference point

was based on the fact that the moon was

referenced for example in this um verse

but the Moon is reference in all sorts

of other places too so choosing this

point of reference seems arbitrary and

that's the key concept here it seems

arbitrary and that's going to come up a

lot um also why are we converting it to

the Gregorian calendar yeah that's

really arbitr as well yeah yeah and you

know there's a lot of human invention

related aspects that they're trying to

connect it with which just draws it

further and further away to fundamental

truth unchanging truth um the second

claim that verse 541 is a reference to

to the departure time of AP poloo well

the hour is ignored um the timing so

because that number one at the beginning

is ignored the timing is based on

Hardware like clocks that could be

calibrated differently the units of time

were invented after the quranic

Revelation like these specific units of

time um and the time can be at any

arbitrarily precise degrees such as 1

hour 54 minutes and 0.0 you know 800

milliseconds in um whereby the link is

now lost it's not 541 now and um

interestingly the blog post I took this

from they actually acknowledged that

there are these nuances if you do any

arbitrarily precise measures you kind of

lose the link but they were arguing well

people round round in science in the

scientific Community all the time so

rounding up is fine and so the link

holds but I think they failed to realize

that that in and of itself was

indicative of how arbitrary the

connection they were making was and then

finally this verse about um the you know

verse uh the first verse of Sur Kamar

has 22 letters Apollo 11b 20 kilog 2 of

moonrock um kilograms are also a human

invented unit after the Quran also why

not in pounds or ounces additionally

there's the same issue of rounding it's

21.7 I mean yeah so the the point to

illustrate here is that if anyone really

is interested in this in this study and

I'm not trying to discourage them from

it is that if you really are you should

try and propose things that you find in

the Quran that are are not based on

shifting Sands of

arbitrariness so things like using units

that were invented after the Quran maybe

don't don't rely on that too much or um

especially when you're trying to link

the Quran to um what are called

continuous numbers in other words

numbers that can be arbitrarily precise

like heights lengths times um you'll

always be sort of fighting an uphill

battle because you're trying to link

something like oh this in the Quran 285

is similar to the atomic number or

something where well technically that

can be you know the average atomic

number can be different because of like

other factors in the atom and stuff

basically like trying to avoid things

where the connection seems arbitrary the

connection seems to be based or reliant

on things that were invented after the

quran's Revelation in terms of units um

you know human invented Concepts ET

ET um so with that being said um I'm I

am still going to present some things

that I would consider you know

miraculous in the Quran the point of the

presentation is to actually um propose

some and so I want to reveal some no

well discuss some important context that

I would like our audience to have in

mind to further um realize the you know

the remarkableness of what I will

propose so first of all it's well known

that the Quran was revealed and

transmitted orally it wasn't written on

a written material It Was Written

material was not by any means the

primary mode of Revelation or of

transmission of the Quran especially in

the early part of the prophet's life

life peace be upon him during his

Revelation so mainly an oral tradition

it's comprised of 114 chapters you can

say chapters but usually Muslims stick

to the word suras because chapters have

a you know maybe a literary connotation

that doesn't exactly apply to suras but

for the sake of um you know Simplicity

we'll call them chapters and it has a

total of

6,236 uh verses so a lot of material um

it was revealed over 23 years of the

prophetic Mission and it was revealed

peace meal so it's revealed over you

know over two decades a long time and um

when I say peac meal um I mean that well

I should have put this point earlier but

I'll just first say that there's no

editorial process either so when verses

were were spoken by the prophet peace be

upon him uh they weren't like you know

necessarily changed or there wasn't a

mass event where um many verses were

suddenly just Rewritten like at the core

of the verses we don't have evidence of

you know the Quran being Rewritten 200

years after it's been compiled or 100

years or even 50 years or 30 years as

far as I'm aware and uh when I said

Peace meal kind of goes back to this

last point was that the chapters were

not revealed contiguously and I think

this is um something that might confuse

some Muslims who might not be aware of

it I wasn't for a while but the Quran

wasn't revealed by Surah number one and

verse the entire Surah number one was

revealed to the prophet before Surah

number two was started that wasn't the

case in fact the first Surah that was

revealed to the prophet um was most

likely um the 96th Surah of the Quran uh

not the not the first one that we see in

the book um and there's a whole you know

study on The Ordering of why the

chronological Revelation is not the

canonical Revelation and I think um I

think Nan alhan has a really uh like

lovely series called um div Divine

speech and Heavenly order um yeah I

believe it's called Heavenly order where

he like uh analyzes The Ordering of the

Quran at least that's one that I'm

familiar with one study of it and it's

really remarkable in and of itself um

but just to give an example so I'm

looking this is just looking up like the

order of Revelation but as you can see

um so the First Column says the order

chronologically of when the first verse

of that um Surah that chapter was

revealed and the second verse is the

chapter's name the third verse is the

canonical number I.E what we find in our

textbook like the quran's book sorry

today and the fourth column says whether

it was um revealed in Mecca or medina

and it's what's what I want to draw your

attention to is this last column called

note uh where it shows how many

Exceptions there are so for example in

this very first um uh row it's about

Surah alar interestingly the ver the

Surah about the moon um which was the

37th um chapter or Surah um initially

revealed um but it wasn't the 37th in

terms of oh all of it was just revealed

in one shot actually for example verses

44 to 46 were revealed um you know years

later um and for example there's another

one where it's the you know 55th um

ordering ordered revealed Revelation it

takes the sixth Surah in the actual um

book um but there's a lot of exceptions

as to its time of Revelation so the

beginning few verses of a a chapter or a

Surah um and the end verses could have

been revealed you know over a decade

apart or years apart and in different

cities so all of this is to say that an

important context to keep in mind is

that by all accounts by all purposes the

Quran is an extremely uh complex

literarily stitched book it's not

contiguous from start to finish it was

revealed over 23 years it was revealed

orally transmitted orally as well there's

there's

you know lots of room for hypothetical

error uh if someone was coming from a

non-muslim perspective and especially

there are no spreadsheets there are no

valid methods of trying to embed

mathematical Concepts into it because

these are supposedly if you're an

atheist or you know skeptic about um

Islam you're going to be arguing that

what I'm going to reveal in this

presentation is somehow supposed to have

come purely from a mental uh effort not

a written effort because remember like

writing wasn't common at the time so

it's just to add to the to the gravity

of like you know some of these um

patterns in the Quran so to move on to

that um I'll just be showing three types

of you know mathematical patterns in the

Quran that I think are of Interest so

one is the first one will be word

balance in the Quran the second one will

be interesting patterns with the number

19 and the third one will be this thing

called um the chapter verse Matrix I

haven't called it that um I believe it

was a video I watched from Dr shabiri um

about this but um Dr sh Al has done a

lot of work a great deal of work in in

this area which one can see yeah yeah

yeah yeah in fact um pretty much most if

not all of the things I bring up about

the number 19 and the chapter verse

Matrix I first saw on uh his YouTube

channel let the ban speak yeah um the

word balance in the Quan I've heard from

different sources and uh I I'll be

honest it's the one that I was least

able to reproduce and that is partially

in um perhaps in due to the fact that

Arabic is not my first language I have

like some conversational Modern Standard

Arabic skills but um I would not rely on

it exclusively when doing the search so

I thought this was perhaps not my

specific field but what I did try and do

was use something simple like a quan app

on my iPhone which um has you can I've

know people use software to find

issue yeah yeah yeah yeah the like I

think I was on the an app it's literally

called alquran and it lets you find the

number of occurrences of words in the

Quran and I used that so this was

probably the most like um least rigorous

part of what I'll show today but I still

think it's interesting so what we mean

by word balances here are there there

are frequencies of word occurrences in

the Quran that appear um you know

striking or uncanny based on the

meanings of the words considered so I'll

just give examples here um and these

were ones that I was able to you know do

on my own on my phone like ones that I

could confirm because I didn't want to

show anything in this presentation that

I couldn't confirm for myself because as

the whole ethos of this is that I want

to restore um integrity and transparency

to this whole field so for example the

word angels in the Quran this is what

I've heard and um I wanted to see if

this is true the words angels in the

Quran mik um occurs 880 eight times in

the Quran apparently either as singular

or plural according to these uh this app

that I searched and it gives the

references so I I trust it so either in

singular or plural it comes as 88 times

the word angels and what's interesting

is that its antonym Devils sh or a

occurs 88 times as well either as

singular or plural so that's already

quite like you know striking uncanny

especially when you consider that

they're not mentioned

together all the time Angels devils

impairs in the

text yeah yeah yeah because yeah that

would be someone's first like question

is are they just happen to be always

mentioned together then you'd always get

the same but but they're not they're

mentioning um distinct places they're

mentioned in distinct chapters they're

mentioned in distinct verses which

remember like the context of Revelation

they're being recited or revealed over

decades in different cities non-c

contiguously there's no chance that the

prophet peace be upon him was like

taking note mentally of like oh yeah

this is year 16 I wonder how many times

I've mentioned the word Angels maybe I

need to sprinkle a couple more devils in

there or something like that's just

absur absurd to think but someone could

say maybe it's a coincidence I think

it's unlikely um because the for example

um the

Hereafter um is mentioned 115 times and

um in in different word

or um it adds up to 115 times and the lowest

lowest

world so referring to this world

commonly in the Quran is also mentioned

115 times and um I think this is like

also you know pretty pretty striking at

the very least you'd have to give it

that it's pretty um interesting that

these like antonyms appear balanced even

in their word count in the Quran now

I've heard of some more of these word

balances but I've also SE videos from

Muslims refuting these word balances as

well so I wanted to show there are these

word balances I can find at least a

couple on my own with my limited skills

in the Arabic language um and you

yourself have told me that you knew some

people who are more versed in this study

and they found more even yes um yeah so

I don't discount that at all I believe

there's something here and probably this

is the one where I would have wished I

had the most help on trying to research

so I'd be very interested in um there

there's a footnote this abdim's uh

translation he's professor at soas University

University

same uh published by Ox University press

if you read the uh introduction he does

actually uh refer to uh uh academic

studies in Arabic actually I I don't

know they translated which which which

uh which analyz his remarkable uh

coincidence Inver commas that you're

talking about now so uh this is a very

reputable uh Source uh which does

reference this in an academic article

that's yeah that's that's awesome and

yeah I should check it out and if it's

if it is an Arabic then it would be I

think excellent if someone could like

you know make that accessible to a

English-speaking audience I mean yeah

yeah I've never before actually I was

aware of that for a long time but I've

never mentioned it before but um yeah

he's impressed with it and he's

obviously a top expert in the this

Egyptian himself you know he and

references these academic uh studies so

he's convinced and he's a very

respectable top scholar yeah I mean it

would be great if like we could have uh

see more of more of that yeah and um

more like yeah because again I've seen

some of these word balances being

criticized and saying like Okay the

number of word that day appears doesn't

actually correspond to

365 and why would it because in Islam we

believe in a lunar calendar not a solar

calendar and like some things like that

so this this aspect of the study I think

can um for for me it can be like it's

probably the least ironcloud of what I'm

going to show not just dismiss it

because I believe in it I think it's

awesome but um there's a lot of like

potential reputations where someone

would say okay well you're kind of

cherry-picking which word conjugation

you use because in Arabic there's a lot

of word conjugation prefixes and that

stuff that can be added the meaning of a

word can change in different context do

you only count words that have uh the

same meaning um in their different

context do you discount the ones that

mean something else even though it's the

same word and another one so I'd love to

see someone do a better study on this

because I'm I would not say I'm capable

at at doing this you know there's

diacritical marks on the words do you

count the ones that have the exact same

diacritical marks or are you more

lenient with that um so but yeah I you

know when you're when you're referencing

other people who have done this i' just

yeah maybe maybe I'd love to see that uh

done and um shown so the thing I want to

move on which will probably be the bulk

of my presentation are these last two um

Ma IAL pattern so the number 19 has um

been something probably people at least

have heard of it being in the Quran and

that's because it literally is I think

for good reason people have heard this

because um I think it's one of the more

unique instances where a number that is

um that we might have seen like you know

maybe interesting patterns about is a

number that the Quran itself explicitly

references and I think that's a really important

important

aspect to keep in mind yeah so this is

in Surah mud which is the 74th Surah or

chapter of the Quran and it mentions

that hell is overseen by 19 Angels so it explicitly

explicitly

says it is overseen by 19 in this

context being Angels now the verse that

follows explains an interesting detail

about the significance of this mentioned

number so it's a relatively long verse

that um explicitly says and we have made

their number in reference to 19 we have

made their number only as a test for the

disbelievers so that's one reason and

the second reason is that so that the

people of the book will be certain so if

they were wondering oh is Islam the

truth I'm a Christian I'm a Jew they

would be certain and thirdly and the

Believers will increase in faith so

it'll make people who are already Muslim

be more faithful to Islam have Faith have

have

more and I mean I think this is

remarkable in terms of the how

explicitly connected yeah in the Quran

this number is to these um factors about

faith itself you know it's explicitly

saying we have made their

number um and this number 19 this prime

number is mentioned just like that so

there are a lot of interesting patterns

with the number 19 um and as I've said

this is a unique case where a number is

explicitly mentioned as a means of

strengthening the faith of the Believers

and at least from a mathematical

perspective I'm not saying this is the

entire reason why this number is

mentioned allaham God knows best but I

certainly think a partial reason at the

very least is its mathematical signature

that appears in in in several instances

of the Quran not least of which is this

chapter itself where it was mentioned

first yeah so the point I'm going to

illustrate is that there are uncanny

number of multiples of 19 in both this

specific chapter and in the Quran more

broadly so just some basic probability

the probability of a number a random

number being divisible by 19 is one in

19 so every 19th number in integers is

divisible by 19 that's what it means to

be a multiple of 19 um but roughly it

just means that if I told you a random

number the chance of that random number

being divisible by 19 if it's a whole

number uh is roughly 5% however

probability that two random numbers are

both divisible by 19 um goes up

exponentially in the sense that it's now

one over 19 so one and 19 multiplied by

1 in 19 because now there are

361 um

outcomes uh related to the probability

here so that's around 0.2%

chance um three in a row would be 1

over1 19 * 1 over 19 Time 1 over1 19

which would be um 1 over 6,859 so if I

said three random numbers the chance

that um if I said I have three random

numbers the chance that all three

without you looking at them are

divisible by 19 uh is is very very very

low and so the chance of n numbers in a

row being divisible by 19 is um 1 in 19

to the power of n which simply means 1

in 19 multiplied by itself n times so

the numbers go down the probability goes

down very quickly um and this is

important context to keep in mind um

because of how many times this pattern

comes in the Quran so for example the

number of words in the verse that

discuss the implications of the number

19 that long verse that said their

number is to test the disbelievers to

increase the Believers in faith it's got

57 Words which is exactly 19 time three

so that's already pretty pretty

interesting um however the number of

words up until the verse that mentions

the number 19 so right before it um is

95 which is 19 * 5 so this is you know

getting quite like un like very unlikely

um and then this was very interesting

when I found this out the number of

letters up until the word 19 itself so

not including but right up to when the

word 19 is mentioned the Arabic

word is 361 which is 19 squar it's 19

time 19 um now we're really getting into

like you know this is this would make

someone at least raise an eyebrow I

would imagine and then um the number

words up to the 19th verse um is 57 19

time 3 again so you know some maybe

someone could argue okay maybe you're

cherry-picking the um the number of like

wh which parts that you're looking at

but I would say even then the

probability that these would occur uh at

at this like frequency is astronomically

low like is is very very very uncanny at

the very least especially in a document

that is explicitly mentioning this

number um as a you know phenomenon of

interest that would raise the faith of

Believers I mean these mathematical

aspects of the Quran could not have been

looked at um you know sufficiently

without a computer until like you know

in the past hundred years or so for

instance right it's um yeah very

interesting I think even more

interesting is um oh yeah sorry I just

wanted to again bring up that this is

just some literal programming code that

I ran to um recapitulate everything I

said so everything I've said actually

exists there um is if for any

programmers interested they can like

just take a screenshot of this and do it

themselves you know um all you need is

this um Library this module called P

Quran this software and then you can

just copy and paste this code you can

scrutinize it if you want and everything

I've said is is there uh so this is just

amazing so now moving on

um still about the number 19 I mentioned

very early on the first revelation

revealed to the prophet sallallahu

alaihi wasallam peace be upon Him is

traditionally agreed upon to be the

first five verses of Surah

Al famously beginning with read in the

name of your lord who created it's a

very famous every Muslim will at least

know the story of The Prophet's first

revelation peace be upon him so the

number of letters in these first five

verses five verses the first five verses

the first first revelation ever the

first five verses that were ever

revealed to the prophet the number of

letters is 76 which is 19 * 4 the number

of letters in the remaining verses so

from that point onwards is 209 which is

19 time

11 so that also means that the number of

letters in all the verses in total is

285 which is 19 * 15 the number of

verses in the Surah itself is also

undeniable is 19 Surah alak has 19 verses

verses

and additionally it's the 96th Surah

meaning that there are 95 preceding

chapters uh in the canonical book of the

Quran 95 preceding chapters meaning 19

Time 5 preceding chapters and 19

chapters following it if you include the

chapter itself and this also brings me

to another point which is that the Quran

itself is 114 chapters which is 19 time

6 um I I I think this is just to me at

least I think like rationally I think

this Pur it's beyond coincidence that

this many multiples of 19 should emerge

in a text by

random especially when you consider the

number itself is a sign significance in

the text that says yeah it's significant

that's an important point it's not just

some random mention the number 19 is

really significant it's not just a

random stat you know as if the Quan

would just quote random statistics this

not how it works everything in the Quran

is extremely significant uh morally

spiritually and so on so we are alerted

to something when it's mentioned like

that exactly exactly um so yeah like

it's just even more reason to believe

that the author of the Quran was well

aware of the link between this pattern

and the Quran itself and we believe the

author in the Quran is is God himself um

so I think this kind of at the very

least to me it partially makes it makes

very a lot of sense that this is the

partial reason at the very least that

the Quran mentions the number of 19 as

being a means of strengthening the

conviction of Believers in this book I

mean you know someone who like myself

appreciates maths because maths is you

know it's it's irrefutable matths itself

is irrefutable now if you know we've

looked at examples with the moon and

stuff and stuff but the fundamental

aspects of math multiples summations

arithmetic operations they're undeniable

and I think that's one of the strengths

of this aspect of the Quran in

illustrating it's um inhuman

origin so I I thought this was really uh

really remarkable I thought this was not

something that could be discounted and

um yeah and when I found this out myself

and like recomputed the result just to

make sure you checked all this yourself

then yes I checked this I I wrote the

code for this as well it's very similar

to the previous one um but anyone who

wants to redo it themselves you can um

just have a look at this screenshot uh

and if you know some even very basic um

Python programming language uh you

should be able to um again reproduce

these results so yeah I think this is

like is really remarkable to me and

makes me very appreciative of of this

aspect of the Quran which makes me even

more saddened to see people dismiss it

entirely or even say that this pattern

doesn't exist I've heard some people say

well this number you know there's

nothing to it in the Quran and these are

Muslims and I know they're

well-intentioned but they have been led

to believe that it's all just Hocus

Pocus and like there's nothing there no

there's something there and it's it's

amazing to to take a look at um now the

the final sorry I me S

interrup pause a second I want to go

back to uh this book because I whilst

you were talking I was sneakily trying

to find the reference that I mentioned

earlier on podcast so just explain what

this book is this is an English

translation of the meanings of the Quran

the Quran a translation by Abdul uh

halem uh he's an Egyptian so he's a

native Arabic uh speak speaker uh he was

educated at Cambridge and many other

places and he's professor of Islamic

Studies at the school of Oriental

African studies at the University of

London the same University where you are

based he's one of the most world's most

distinguished uh academics uh in the

Quran he speaks English perfectly he

lives here in London and this book uh

this translation is published by Oxford

University press I just want to read to

you uh briefly uh in the introduction to

this translation in a section called

stylistic features now this is in uh

page 19 of his introduction he says the

following a central feature of quranic

style is contrast between this world and

the next occur each occurring exactly

115 times between Believers and

disbelievers between paradise and hell

this has been studied in great detail

and SCH have found truly remarkable

patterns of contrasts angels and Devils

life and death secrecy and openness and

so on occurring exactly the same number

of times and then there's a footnote at

the bottom this is the reference uh I

wanted to mention uh to an academic word

in it is in uh Arabic published in k a

now for a is initial now for n a w f a l

and then there's a an Arabic title and

my arabic's not good enough on embarrass

myself anyway you can find it for

yourself easily online and then he

continues this sense of balance in the

text has continued in passages where the

Prophet is instructed to say and so it

goes on but I I just wanted to mention

that these uh he mentions the very same

uh doublets or or or uh extraordinary

contrasts occurring the same numbers of

time that you do and others as as well

between Believers and disbelievers uh

secrecy and openness and so on so the

implication being there are many others

uh which have been noted actually for a

long long time this is not a new study

um but there's a respected academic

reference people want to follow it up

for themselves so thank you very much

that's awesome thank you so much Paul

Subhan Allah yeah thank you for filling

in basically on the shortcomings of my

first like part of it on the contrary

you you verified all this yourself and so

this no but that that genuinely makes me

very happy because like that I felt that

was the part where I felt least

qualified to continue far from it you're

on very Solid Ground it seems no no

thank you no that's actually perfect so

I I feel like you've actually helped

like you know complete this presentation

so thank you thank you for that's very

very very kind and very helpful and uh

yeah um awesome so the very last um

thing I want to bring up is this thing

that I'll you know has been called the

chapter verse Matrix so again I haven't

come up with this cool name this was

dubbed uh at least I found it on Dr

shabir Ali's um like uh YouTube channel

or his his his team's YouTube channel

that the Quran speak and he's called it

the chapter verse Matrix I don't know if

he's calling the term but it's not

important the um the point is to just

have a yeah look at this so I'll

basically introduce this the way he did

I think it was it was best so in the

Quran in Surah Al F's third verse um God

swears an oath by the even and the odd

and in the Quran um Allah swears Oaths

by many different concepts and uh it was

known at the time that you know when you

want to get people's attention you would

swear by an oath and often a lot of

suras start with that so it's to get the

attention of the people and um it's not

Al it's also not uncommon that the

content of the oath of what is being

sworn by is related or um indicative of

the concept or sorry the topic that is

going to be talked about so this is uh

God's s by the even and the odd which

the reason I bring it up is because it

is another um reference that these

fundamental mathematical concepts are

being um you know mentioned in the Quran

so this is known as parity in maths just

it's a fancy word for saying like what

means even and odd but this called

parity you know and um it turns out that

this this concept of parity might have

something to do with the structure of

the Quran itself so this is probably one

of the more like um yeah I would say

like uh complex like things I want to

show it's not very complex in terms of

the final results but in terms of

getting there uh visually it might be

challenging so I I I I pray that I can

do justice to it and please interrupt me

if anything is unclear so because if

anything's unclear to you then it's most

likely unclear to everyone else um so in

the Quran we have Surah numbers in the

in the book we have today Surah fat is

number one and Surah Al bakar is number

two etc etc and the last Surah isah Nas

114 and each of these suras each of

these chapters has a number of verses F

has seven verses Surah Al bakar has 286

verses and so on on the 114th chapter

has six verses um if we add the Surah

number and the number of verses of that

Surah we can come up with this chapter

verse some result so forah f it would be

Surah number one plus the number of

verses it has which is seven we get

eight for Al Bak it's Surah number two

it has 286 verses we get 288 etc etc do

it for all the

115 um chapters of the Quran you'll get

115 results right so that's pretty much

all we need to do so in terms of um the

Simplicity of arriving there that's it

so everything else emerges from just

seeing whether that chapter verse sum

result is even or odd so for example the

chapter verse sum for the first Surah is

even um sorry the even the parity of the

first chapter verse um sum result is

even because the chapter verse sum um is

eight Eight's an even number for the

second result 288 that's also even for

the third results is 203 which is odd

and so on so we've just have one column

where we add the Surah number and the

number of verses of that Surah and then

we just see which of them are even and

which of them are odd yeah that's

it so um if we add up the number of uh

the Surah numbers in the Quran so if you

add up 1 plus 2 plus 3 plus 4 plus 5 all

the way to plus 114 which's known as the

arithmetic sum of the quran's uh chapter

numbers you get the number

6,555 okay there's nothing special yet

um if you do the same for the number of

verses in the Quran so each sur's verse

number just adding you know seven forah

f plus 286 plus Surah Bak etc etc um you

get 6,236 I mentioned this at the very

beginning the Quran has 6,236 verses so

all we've done so far is just add the

the Surah numbers of the Quran and add

the verse numbers of the

Quran um then we go back to this chapter

verse Su that we computed earlier which

is again simp derived from adding the

Surah number and verse number of each

chapter if you add

the uh chapter um verse sums of the odd

results of this so if you add up the odd

results which I've trying to demarcate

in blue it's it's a little bit like

difficult to see but if you add every

odd result from this chapter verse sum

so 23 125 171 213 etc etc 115 113 of

this chapter verse Su result if you add

all the odd numbers first of all you

find out that there's 57 odd numbers and

57 even numbers it's perfectly balanced

um which is already interesting and in

itself to be exactly 5757 even though

like you would say it's 5050 but to get

the exact numbers is still

unlikely um if you add the odd

results you get the number

6,555 which happens to also be the sum

of surra numbers in the on so the odd

result of this these 57 odd results uh

sum the sum of the odd results is 6555

which is exactly the sum of the Sur

numbers and these two results can

absolutely be different there's no need

for them to be the same it is not an

inherent property of books like this and

I'm going to illustrate that as well can

can I just sorry you you

youup um you mentioned that there were

57 um what was it 5 57 game was the

total number of it's it's 57 um odd

results from the chapter verse sum and

57 even results the chap and if you

divide 57 by three you get you get 19

yeah as well yeah so yeah that's also uh

and I didn't even think about that but

yeah you know you get you know yeah get

multi 19 just to just why not keep the

19 story keep keep yeah in fact I

thought it was funny because when you

brought up the um Abdul introduction you

mentioned it was on page 19 and that

made me laugh a bit because yeah this is

not an actual proof this is just random

Ox University

press yeah yeah just scary no this this

19 that is 57 is is multiples of 19 that

was the point right yes yes um so the

the Su of the odd results so remember

chapter verse sum there's 114 results 57

of them are odd 57 of them happen to be e

if you add up the 57 odd results get

6555 that's exactly the sum of s numbers

which is pretty remarkable because first

of all these numbers do not have to be

the same at all second of all consider

the fact that this sum of Sur numbers

was gained by adding 114 numbers but

this sum of odd results that reaches the

same total sum was only gained from 57

numbers half the number of numbers gave

the same result which means whatever

numbers it was missing was perfectly

counterbalanced with whatever numbers it

was gained um when you're counting like

the number of verses in this chapter

yeah so that's already remarkable but if

there's double coincidence where if you

add the remaining 57 even results so the

remaining 57 results which are the even

um numbers in this chapter first sum you

get uh

6,236 which is the some of the verses

number in the

Quran and I think uh you know people

should like seriously think about this

um in terms of like the gravity of like

what this is this is an insane double

coincidence of balance it is it is

absolutely not inherent to the property

of just adding the Surah number and the

verse number and um I want to show that

so yeah so this is just putting it in

words the 57 odd chapter verse sum

results add up to exactly the sum of

suras in the Quran and the 57 even

chapter verse uh sum result

add up to exactly the sum of verses in

the Quran and this remarkable balance

there's absolutely does not need to be

this way and to me this is also um

reminiscent of this concept of a check

sum in computer science so in computer

science a check sum is a it's a value

just a numeric value calculated from

data to detect whether there were errors

during the transmission of that data so

over the Internet for example right now

all like both of our internet Wi-Fi

routers are sending and receiving

packets of data you know packets of the

pixels on my screen and on your screen

uploading and downloading right and um

our computers are inherently running an

algorithm just to check that that data

that it's receiving has not been

corrupted in transit has not been like

interfered with or you know maybe a I

don't know some like cable was like

going wrong or maybe it was like um the

packet was sent wrong or something like

that and the way it can check for

whether it was faulty is by applying a

mathematical algorithm to the data to

compute a signature known as a check sum

so when the data is received the check

sum is recalculated on the receiver's

end and it's compared to what the sender

said the check sum was and um if they

match the D data is likely intact if not

errors have occurred in other words a

check sum is indicative of it's a tool

for um verifying the preservation

information and I want to give a simple

example because this is maybe a lot um

so imagine you want to s a message hello

over the internet and let's adopt a

simple numeric scheme where the values

of letters are their position in the

alphabet a is one B is two Z is 26 the

numerical value of hello will then be

eight because H is the eighth letter

plus five because e is the fifth letter

and so on plus 12+ 12 + 15 so the check

sum someone might say how about we make

a check sum which is the sum of the

letters right so you send the message

and the check sum to me okay and you

send the word hello and the check sum

that should be for the word hello which is

52 then I received this data you know on

on my own time and I received both your

message and what the check sum was and

if my result is 52 then I know it's

correct if not then I know it indicates

lost information so for example if I

receive the word hell it show the O is

missing and also this check sum of 52 um

then what I would do is recompute oh did

Paul really mean to send me the word

hell I would just recompute the value

that hell would have so um 8 plus 5 plus

12 plus 12 it adds up to 37 not 52 it

doesn't add up to the checkm you said so

that indicates something went wrong and

it would be to my relief um that's

that's the idea of of a check sum it's a

means of um indicating information

preservation now the reason I think it's

indicative and relevant to this example

is because um hope this will play if you

change um any number of verses in the

Quran so if you add or remove a single

verse in the Quran right now you see the

number sum of Surah number equals the

sum of odd results the sum of verse

number equals the sum of even results

but if I for example change the number

of suras number of verses in the first

chapter of the Quran to eight from s to

eight this balance collapses so the sum

of odd results is no longer equal to the

sum of Sur number sum of even results is

no longer equal to the verse number and

you can like you know even if I um put

this back and then I do it for like a

different um if I remove a verse

somewhere I think that's what I do next

I think I changed it to 74 or something

like the same balance just it just

collapses so this absolutely does not

have to be the case so just adding or

removing a single um verse and certainly

adding or removing a chapter would

remove this balance completely and that

to me makes me think of it as a check

sum because it is another of the many

means of verifying that what we have

today at least has this remarkable

mathematical signature of balance that

indicates it has been preserved from the

um original

transmission can I just commend you on

your graphics absolutely extraordinary I

I love the fact that in real time now we

can actually manipulate the number of

verses and so on and

the effect uh in live time uh that's

remarkable well done thank thank you

thank you well yeah thank you thank you

it's a pre-recorded video but I do have

the live effect on an Excel sheet but I

didn't want to switch to excel so I had

pre-recorded this so yeah it is uh it is

live um well originally but thank you

thank you very much and um I wanted to

further um show that this is not a fe

common feature because I can imagine

someone saying they really I mean I

think the favorite tool of Skeptics in

this area would probably be to say it's

all a coincidence and you know I can't

blame them um but I want to show that

you can show that this is very unlikely

to be a coincidence in many different

ways but a very simple way would be to

show that this doesn't occur often and

so I wanted to do just a case study of

whether this result this balance this

chapter verse Matrix appears in the the

Bible so both Old Testament New

Testament and the reason I chose this as

a case study was because I thought it

was a good analogy a good analogous

sample for a book that has chapters and

it has verses clear verses number of

verses for each of the chapters you know

typical books don't include how many

sentences are in their um chapters

whereas these like um you know ancient

holy books do and um it also happens to

be holy book which is even more like in

the same analogous field so I thought

that was also like appropriate but um

you know so compared with another

chapter verse TT such as the books of

the Bible this balanced result does not

appear for example this is the Book of

Genesis and these are the actual chapter

number number of verses in Genesis and

um you know this the red indicates that

these values do not equal the values of

the chapter sums and the versus sums so

in fact I actually did this um using

programming for for every single um book

in both the the Old Testament and the

New Testament and everything you see in

red indicates that this balance did not

occur and this isn't to deride the Bible

it's simply an exercise in showing that

even with a sub substantial population

size of examples that are analogous in

terms of structure literary structure to

the Quran you won't find this pattern of

balance of this Exquisite precise double

coincidental incredible balance I even

made it easier to find it because I

would count even one of the coincidence

is occurring if the sum of the odd

results equated to the chapter numbers

and call it a day that would count as a

past you don't even have to get the

double coincidence of the even result

having to mean the sum of the versus

even that didn't occur um so it didn't

occur in like any of the 74 books that I

examined and again it's not to disparage

the Bible I mean it's not what I'm doing

it for it's just simply to use it as a

as a case study and it just shows that

this result does not occur often

randomly at all um and with this example

size I can confidently say at least

empirically it has a less than 1.4%

chance of occurring you know it occurs

one in 75 books that one being the Quran

and the 74 other books being um like a

population study with the Bible books so

that's just simply to refute the idea

that it's simply a coincidence because I

think it's it's a real reach to say it's

a coincidence I think someone would have

a much better rational um argument

saying that it was deliberately put

there but we'll get to refus that in a

minute as well uh yeah literally now so

some reputations just because I'm kind

of wrapping up now is um you're

overreaching or cherry-picking to me um

so I would say that I try to stick to

analyzing examples where the there were

simple and few numbers of arithmetic

operations not too many chained together

and without good reason I think I always

tried to link I hope it was clear but I

always tried to link um the mathematical

pattern I was trying to look at with

something from the Quran itself with an explicit key text referencing either the

explicit key text referencing either the number itself with the 19 or the

number itself with the 19 or the fundamental mathematical concept like

fundamental mathematical concept like parity even an odd in the Quran as well

parity even an odd in the Quran as well um so I Tred to keep it as close to the

um so I Tred to keep it as close to the source material as possible and with as

source material as possible and with as few operations and very simple

few operations and very simple arithmetic operations I mean we just did

arithmetic operations I mean we just did multiples which are just trying to do

multiples which are just trying to do summations and picking which of them are

summations and picking which of them are even and odd for example

even and odd for example I didn't do you know taking the

I didn't do you know taking the logarithm of something or taking the

logarithm of something or taking the exponent of something or converting

exponent of something or converting something to a complex number and then

something to a complex number and then converting it back into different

converting it back into different feature space I didn't do any of that

feature space I didn't do any of that and um I don't think you need to do any

and um I don't think you need to do any of that I didn't convert pick out which

of that I didn't convert pick out which numbers um exhibit some very Niche or

numbers um exhibit some very Niche or esoteric mathematical you know type of

esoteric mathematical you know type of number um I didn't do because simply I

number um I didn't do because simply I don't know that I I don't I don't have

don't know that I I don't I don't have the knowledge to do that but I just

the knowledge to do that but I just didn't I stuck to simple Concepts so

didn't I stuck to simple Concepts so that would be my reputation to that

that would be my reputation to that reputation then you know this favorite

reputation then you know this favorite um line is that it's all a

um line is that it's all a coincidence and I would say if you

coincidence and I would say if you believe all of this is a coincidence um

believe all of this is a coincidence um considering like the types of numbers

considering like the types of numbers and probabilities involved I would say

and probabilities involved I would say you probably need to check your um

you probably need to check your um standards of what you consider probable

standards of what you consider probable or not um because if you do not if you

or not um because if you do not if you call that a coincidence and I say this

call that a coincidence and I say this like you know politely if you call that

like you know politely if you call that a coincidence then are you applying the

a coincidence then are you applying the same standard the same rigor in your

same standard the same rigor in your day-to-day life I think in um ham Sis's

day-to-day life I think in um ham Sis's book uh the Divine reality I think he's

book uh the Divine reality I think he's called like this an epistemological

called like this an epistemological double standard which I think is a nice

double standard which I think is a nice phrase it just simply means like you

phrase it just simply means like you have a different standard of how you

have a different standard of how you view knowledge of how you view reality

view knowledge of how you view reality based on its context the context suiting

based on its context the context suiting you I mean I think most people if you

you I mean I think most people if you told them even there's a 20% chance that

told them even there's a 20% chance that they'll be struck by lightning if they

they'll be struck by lightning if they step outside today they won't walk

step outside today they won't walk outside but if you say if they say oh

outside but if you say if they say oh yeah this is a less than oh it's a you

yeah this is a less than oh it's a you know 0.01% chance of occurring well

know 0.01% chance of occurring well that's a chance it must have been the

that's a chance it must have been the coincidence there um I think that's a

coincidence there um I think that's a bit unfair and they're free to they're

bit unfair and they're free to they're free to uh believe that but I think um

free to uh believe that but I think um they'd probably have to like have some

they'd probably have to like have some introspection on why are you insisting

introspection on why are you insisting on this like extreme um Perfection of an

on this like extreme um Perfection of an error bar for um anything that doesn't

error bar for um anything that doesn't agree with your world viiew well it's

agree with your world viiew well it's probably like a mechanism of trying to

probably like a mechanism of trying to reject it and then you have to like

reject it and then you have to like think about your intellectual honesty

think about your intellectual honesty and confirmation bias and you know yeah

and confirmation bias and you know yeah um and the third thing they might say is

um and the third thing they might say is that it's done deliberately um which I

that it's done deliberately um which I obviously say yes it was I think it was

obviously say yes it was I think it was done deliberately but not by the prophet

done deliberately but not by the prophet Muhammad peace be upon her but by the

Muhammad peace be upon her but by the author of the Quran God uh that's what

author of the Quran God uh that's what we believe and I think the easiest I can

we believe and I think the easiest I can say all sorts of reputations for this

say all sorts of reputations for this but I think probably the simplest and

but I think probably the simplest and most elegant is this argument from

most elegant is this argument from Silence imagine what you'd have to argue

Silence imagine what you'd have to argue to say that this was done deliberately

to say that this was done deliberately you're saying that in that remember the

you're saying that in that remember the context of a revelation no written

context of a revelation no written material you know uh everything's in

material you know uh everything's in people's heads basically because it's an

people's heads basically because it's an oral transmission revealed contiguously

oral transmission revealed contiguously over 23 years um by one human um and the

over 23 years um by one human um and the Revelation was uh not contiguous sorry

Revelation was uh not contiguous sorry so it's in different parts are revealed

so it's in different parts are revealed different times etc etc that with all

different times etc etc that with all that of a that protocol for compiling

that of a that protocol for compiling the Quran that someone is there like you

the Quran that someone is there like you know the prophet peace be upon Him is

know the prophet peace be upon Him is supposedly trying to inject this you

supposedly trying to inject this you know mathematical pattern into the Quran

know mathematical pattern into the Quran and oh wait hang on I have to add a new

and oh wait hang on I have to add a new verse let me just make sure this chapter

verse let me just make sure this chapter verse Matrix uh adds up still and oh

verse Matrix uh adds up still and oh wait um maybe I should change the number

wait um maybe I should change the number of words here to add up to 19 yeah

of words here to add up to 19 yeah that'll be a good one you know all this

that'll be a good one you know all this immense effort that would have been just

immense effort that would have been just impossible to do I mean trying to

impossible to do I mean trying to recreate the chapter verse Matrix as a

recreate the chapter verse Matrix as a principle in a text from scratch is

principle in a text from scratch is challenging uh let alone like that's

challenging uh let alone like that's with a computer let alone from someone

with a computer let alone from someone in their mind in the seventh century in

in their mind in the seventh century in in the desert of Arabia um but even if

in the desert of Arabia um but even if even if you say someone did all of that

even if you say someone did all of that why on Earth would they not advertise it

why on Earth would they not advertise it by screaming about it if you're saying

by screaming about it if you're saying that this is a man who claims to be a

that this is a man who claims to be a prophet of God then you would think that

prophet of God then you would think that he would do anything in his interest in

he would do anything in his interest in order to try and verify that claim to

order to try and verify that claim to other people and if he's done it

other people and if he's done it deliberately putting all these numbers

deliberately putting all these numbers then surely he would want to reap the

then surely he would want to reap the fruits of his labor attention to it oh

fruits of his labor attention to it oh look at this remarkable property exactly

look at this remarkable property exactly bring attention to it and say look at

bring attention to it and say look at this yeah yeah and uh and that was never

this yeah yeah and uh and that was never done I mean I there was no trace of

done I mean I there was no trace of people knowing about this at the time of

people knowing about this at the time of the Prophet peace be upon him and until

the Prophet peace be upon him and until way later like clearer a millennia later

way later like clearer a millennia later until we're finding some of these

until we're finding some of these patterns so I think it's silly so if you

patterns so I think it's silly so if you say it's not a coincidence um and it's

say it's not a coincidence um and it's not cherry-picking and it's not done by

not cherry-picking and it's not done by a human well then maybe your last Refuge

a human well then maybe your last Refuge is to say it's done by a non-human super

is to say it's done by a non-human super intelligence like oh maybe it's the

intelligence like oh maybe it's the devil you know maybe they'll consider

devil you know maybe they'll consider him very intelligent or whatever crafty

him very intelligent or whatever crafty um but I think this is almost laughable

um but I think this is almost laughable as a contention because um the content

as a contention because um the content of the Quran is enough to serve as a

of the Quran is enough to serve as a reputation to this I mean the Quran has

reputation to this I mean the Quran has no shortage of examples of warning

no shortage of examples of warning Muslims against the devil I mean this is

Muslims against the devil I mean this is a verse I bring up I think it's pretty

a verse I bring up I think it's pretty clearcut um in the 35th chapter of the

clearcut um in the 35th chapter of the Quran it says in verse six says Satan is

Quran it says in verse six says Satan is your enemy so treat him as an enemy and

your enemy so treat him as an enemy and invite his follower only to enter the

invite his follower only to enter the blazing fire so that doesn't sound like

blazing fire so that doesn't sound like the type of book The Devil would write

the type of book The Devil would write he writes a book that is making people

he writes a book that is making people very Vigilant about him to seek Refuge

very Vigilant about him to seek Refuge uh from him with God to be good to your

uh from him with God to be good to your parents to um give like um charity you

parents to um give like um charity you know to to guard your eyes and stuff

know to to guard your eyes and stuff yeah that's a very satanic book uh I

yeah that's a very satanic book uh I mean obviously being sarcastic

mean obviously being sarcastic like that makes no sense um so that's

like that makes no sense um so that's just the brief summary of um the

just the brief summary of um the reputations that someone I thought could

reputations that someone I thought could make some rebuttal they could make I

make some rebuttal they could make I think at the end of the day they are um

think at the end of the day they are um no matter how many Hoops you try and

no matter how many Hoops you try and mental gymnastics you try and jump

mental gymnastics you try and jump through I think at some point you will

through I think at some point you will have to cover your own logic to accept

have to cover your own logic to accept that this is just a coincidence or from

that this is just a coincidence or from a deliberate human effort or whatever

a deliberate human effort or whatever and there would be some Gap in that

and there would be some Gap in that chain of reasoning and that's for that

chain of reasoning and that's for that own person to disclose it's not my job

own person to disclose it's not my job to like you know convince them I just

to like you know convince them I just present what I find um and to move on I

present what I find um and to move on I don't know if this is overkill but it's

don't know if this is overkill but it's not just the the mathematical patterns

not just the the mathematical patterns in the Quran and I'm just going to go

in the Quran and I'm just going to go over this very briefly because I'm I

over this very briefly because I'm I know I'm going quite over time um but

know I'm going quite over time um but the Quran has no shortage of these like

the Quran has no shortage of these like remarkable um phenomena in all sorts of

remarkable um phenomena in all sorts of domains not just mats um for example

domains not just mats um for example I've listed just a couple like a few

I've listed just a couple like a few examples of some that I really like

examples of some that I really like personally um and even listed videos

personally um and even listed videos where I could that people can search for

where I could that people can search for and I encourage them to do that you'll

and I encourage them to do that you'll be blown away so like um from this

be blown away so like um from this channel Arabic 101 the Quran is known to

channel Arabic 101 the Quran is known to make Hebrew word plays um and the

make Hebrew word plays um and the prophet peace be upon him did not speak

prophet peace be upon him did not speak Hebrew you know so like um mentioning

Hebrew you know so like um mentioning the prophet Zacharia in a verse that's

the prophet Zacharia in a verse that's about the remembrance of God in Arabic

about the remembrance of God in Arabic well the name Zacharia in Hebrew means

well the name Zacharia in Hebrew means the remembrance of God or mention of the

the remembrance of God or mention of the Lord um so there's a double on Tandra

Lord um so there's a double on Tandra going there but they only exists if you

going there but they only exists if you know Hebrew and um I know Dr Dr Ali

know Hebrew and um I know Dr Dr Ali ataii who's one of my favorite on your

ataii who's one of my favorite on your show uh he's also done a video on this

show uh he's also done a video on this that's really great I think it's called

that's really great I think it's called marvels of the Quran yes I think I've

marvels of the Quran yes I think I've referenced it here as well um so that's

referenced it here as well um so that's one thing another thing is that the

one thing another thing is that the Quran includes remarkably accurate facts

Quran includes remarkably accurate facts about ancient Egypt which was a

about ancient Egypt which was a civilization uh that was lost to the

civilization uh that was lost to the Arabs and certainly to ourselves until

Arabs and certainly to ourselves until the discovery of the Rosetta Stone in

the discovery of the Rosetta Stone in 1799 people

1799 people underestimate museum by the way here in

underestimate museum by the way here in London yeah it really belongs back where

London yeah it really belongs back where it was found in Egypt this is my plug

it was found in Egypt this is my plug here for can we please return these

here for can we please return these artifacts to their country of origin

artifacts to their country of origin where we usually nicked them during the

where we usually nicked them during the colonial period so sorry that's my

colonial period so sorry that's my little ranch though yeah I yeah I mean

little ranch though yeah I yeah I mean yeah that's that's I think a very like

yeah that's that's I think a very like yeah empathetic sense sentiment

yeah empathetic sense sentiment especially in the in the Middle East and

especially in the in the Middle East and Arab world a lot of our stuff happens to

Arab world a lot of our stuff happens to be in the British

be in the British museum ESP Stone which is which is an

museum ESP Stone which is which is an absolute incredible civilization or

absolute incredible civilization or monument where we first time in over

monument where we first time in over thousands of years actually able to

thousands of years actually able to decipher hieroglyphics um the Egyptian

decipher hieroglyphics um the Egyptian language at that time thousands of years

language at that time thousands of years ago um but it belongs it belongs in

ago um but it belongs it belongs in Egypt where it was dug up nicked by the

Egypt where it was dug up nicked by the British unfortunately yeah yeah I think

British unfortunately yeah yeah I think the British museum sent back you know

the British museum sent back you know everything that they've taken from

everything that they've taken from places that aren't Britain it'll be

places that aren't Britain it'll be pretty vacant slot they could turn into

pretty vacant slot they could turn into a very nice hotel I think there be lots

a very nice hotel I think there be lots nice fantastic architecture nice London

nice fantastic architecture nice London real estate turn it into a nice hotel

real estate turn it into a nice hotel that's my suggestion and that hotel will

that's my suggestion and that hotel will have a rich history and that will be the

have a rich history and that will be the Museum's

Museum's theme but but yeah like from your

theme but but yeah like from your serious purpose no no no no no

serious purpose no no no no no absolutely you can always interject um

absolutely you can always interject um but this video I recommend everyone

but this video I recommend everyone watch it I know it's 30 minutes but

watch it I know it's 30 minutes but every Muslim I think should watch it and

every Muslim I think should watch it and non-muslim as well because uh I think

non-muslim as well because uh I think this uh channel did an excellent job for

this uh channel did an excellent job for this video especially in showing um

this video especially in showing um examples in the Quran that are just

examples in the Quran that are just incredible in terms of the accuracy of

incredible in terms of the accuracy of How It's describing different uh ancient

How It's describing different uh ancient Egyptian civilizations because there

Egyptian civilizations because there wasn't just one they had like um

wasn't just one they had like um egyptologist like segmented into

egyptologist like segmented into different kingdoms like Old Kingdom

different kingdoms like Old Kingdom Middle Kingdom New Kingdom and um yeah

Middle Kingdom New Kingdom and um yeah this video covers it all to give an

this video covers it all to give an example that's like relatively simple

example that's like relatively simple like um in the Quran the king at the

like um in the Quran the king at the time of Joseph at the time of YF is

time of Joseph at the time of YF is always referred to as King mik in the

always referred to as King mik in the Quran um but the king of um the time of

Quran um but the king of um the time of prophet MSA Moses peace be upon him um

prophet MSA Moses peace be upon him um is referred to as

is referred to as pharaoh and it's exclusively like that

pharaoh and it's exclusively like that so Moses's uh the king in the story of

so Moses's uh the king in the story of Moses is always called Pharaoh the king

Moses is always called Pharaoh the king in the story of Joseph is always called

in the story of Joseph is always called King be upon um the prophets uh which is

King be upon um the prophets uh which is very interesting because those are the

very interesting because those are the correct descriptions of the Kings at

correct descriptions of the Kings at those times which the Bible gets wrong

those times which the Bible gets wrong by the way you going to mention that the

by the way you going to mention that the Bible unfortunately gets it wrong the

Bible unfortunately gets it wrong the Quran gets it right in areas which is

Quran gets it right in areas which is impossible for a seventh century Arab or

impossible for a seventh century Arab or anyone else on the planet to be honest

anyone else on the planet to be honest could possibly have got precisely

could possibly have got precisely correct yeah yeah yeah absolutely I mean

correct yeah yeah yeah absolutely I mean I think people

I think people underestimate um how old and how lost

underestimate um how old and how lost the civilization of Egypt was to like

the civilization of Egypt was to like pry I mean they just might think oh yeah

pry I mean they just might think oh yeah the uh maybe the Arabs lived in a desert

the uh maybe the Arabs lived in a desert it's nearby surely they must have like

it's nearby surely they must have like no it's not like that like it was super

no it's not like that like it was super old like it's really really um like

old like it's really really um like Millennia apart um they had no knowledge

Millennia apart um they had no knowledge of this civilization to that extent and

of this civilization to that extent and yeah like you said the Bible gets it

yeah like you said the Bible gets it wrong so reputation that it's somehow

wrong so reputation that it's somehow copied from the Bible means that yes it

copied from the Bible means that yes it was copied and then somehow the person

was copied and then somehow the person copying it knew what was correct and was

copying it knew what was correct and was often in the case the Cron role subject

often in the case the Cron role subject but his role Vis the previous scriptures

but his role Vis the previous scriptures the extant scriptures as correcting them

the extant scriptures as correcting them as an arbit an arbitrator but M this

as an arbit an arbitrator but M this Arabic word has that kind of

Arabic word has that kind of significance in the quran's relationship

significance in the quran's relationship with the existing Bible uh correcting it

with the existing Bible uh correcting it and and uh making sure we have the true

and and uh making sure we have the true understanding of history for example

understanding of history for example absolutely exactly that's the word m um

absolutely exactly that's the word m um that the Quran serves to um verify the

that the Quran serves to um verify the truth in the in these scriptures which

truth in the in these scriptures which still have some truth in them but shows

still have some truth in them but shows what is true in them and what we as

what is true in them and what we as Muslims believe has been altered over

Muslims believe has been altered over time yeah um so I I recommend I can't do

time yeah um so I I recommend I can't do justice to this entire video like you I

justice to this entire video like you I really recommend people watch it

really recommend people watch it including yourself Paul if you haven't

including yourself Paul if you haven't already I also just a small adver for do

already I also just a small adver for do Dr Louie fatou's videos on blogging

Dr Louie fatou's videos on blogging theology where he also addresses these

theology where he also addresses these very very questions ancient about

very very questions ancient about ancient Egypt and the Bible the between

ancient Egypt and the Bible the between the Bible and the Quran when it comes to

the Bible and the Quran when it comes to Egyptian history is discussed at length

Egyptian history is discussed at length by Dr Louis Fatu as well as this video

by Dr Louis Fatu as well as this video You're mentioning of course okay okay

You're mentioning of course okay okay I'll I'll give that a watch as well

I'll I'll give that a watch as well thank you for that um and then moving on

thank you for that um and then moving on like just again I'm just kind of going

like just again I'm just kind of going rapid fire through these ones but the

rapid fire through these ones but the Quran includes like uh very incredibly

Quran includes like uh very incredibly complex ring like literary structures uh

complex ring like literary structures uh that read coherently in a linear style

that read coherently in a linear style which people are familiar with but also

which people are familiar with but also have a meaning in a palindromic from a

have a meaning in a palindromic from a hromic perspective um and and just

hromic perspective um and and just simply put humans don't talk like this

simply put humans don't talk like this and remember the context there's not

and remember the context there's not written uh at the time the prophet peace

written uh at the time the prophet peace be upon Him supposedly this thematic

be upon Him supposedly this thematic ring like structure is being said from

ring like structure is being said from the get-go some verses that are 200

the get-go some verses that are 200 suras that are 286 verses long and

suras that are 286 verses long and aren't revealed continuously yet they

aren't revealed continuously yet they have this like you know there's a tiny

have this like you know there's a tiny screenshot here it doesn't do it justice

screenshot here it doesn't do it justice I recommend people watching it but like

I recommend people watching it but like for example this exists in many suras in

for example this exists in many suras in the Quran many chapters but even in Bak

the Quran many chapters but even in Bak the second chapter of the Quran the

the second chapter of the Quran the first like so many verses are a mirror

first like so many verses are a mirror to the theme of the last like verses or

to the theme of the last like verses or the last verses and if you divide the

the last verses and if you divide the chapter into chunks you'll notice that

chapter into chunks you'll notice that the chunks mirr each other across the

the chunks mirr each other across the central axis and in Bak it's even more

central axis and in Bak it's even more interesting because each of those chunks

interesting because each of those chunks is a ring likee structure in of itself I

is a ring likee structure in of itself I mean again I think on on um I think has

mean again I think on on um I think has talked about in Heavenly order uh which

talked about in Heavenly order uh which I recommend people look up but yeah like

I recommend people look up but yeah like I mean that is just to me from a

I mean that is just to me from a literary perspective impossible it's

literary perspective impossible it's just like ridiculous to thing that a

just like ridiculous to thing that a person is going to plan that and again

person is going to plan that and again it wasn't advertised uh so there's that

it wasn't advertised uh so there's that argument from Silence again um and just

argument from Silence again um and just to finish off like just just a few more

to finish off like just just a few more I'm sorry um because I'm really like

I'm sorry um because I'm really like yeah I think these are like amazing the

yeah I think these are like amazing the Quran it's it might be like known that

Quran it's it might be like known that people people know that the Quran

people people know that the Quran accurately describes embryonic

accurately describes embryonic development uh even out of micros scopic

development uh even out of micros scopic level obviously unknown to sth Century

level obviously unknown to sth Century Arabs and much thereafter I've heard

Arabs and much thereafter I've heard some people think that this is because

some people think that this is because the Muslims were advanced in science but

the Muslims were advanced in science but they forget that the Muslims became

they forget that the Muslims became advanced in science after the the Islam

advanced in science after the the Islam came not before um and this is just a

came not before um and this is just a video about um uh this professor Keith

video about um uh this professor Keith Moore a Canadian Professor he was

Moore a Canadian Professor he was professor of anatomy at the University

professor of anatomy at the University of Toronto I believe and he's written

of Toronto I believe and he's written textbooks on embryology so he was like a

textbooks on embryology so he was like a you know a pretty uh authoritative

you know a pretty uh authoritative figure on the subject and by a series of

figure on the subject and by a series of events he got in like he encountered um

events he got in like he encountered um you know religious uh Muslim figures who

you know religious uh Muslim figures who wanted him to uh look at the quran's

wanted him to uh look at the quran's description of embryology and he was

description of embryology and he was stunned by the accuracy at which the

stunned by the accuracy at which the Quran uses its language to describe

Quran uses its language to describe Embry embryological development um so

Embry embryological development um so much so I mean you can watch this video

much so I mean you can watch this video he's just talking about it and so saying

he's just talking about it and so saying the

the between how he would describe it using

between how he would describe it using his SCI language versus how the Quran

his SCI language versus how the Quran describes it and again the Quran isn't a

describes it and again the Quran isn't a book about science but it just so

book about science but it just so happens that the facts that it talks

happens that the facts that it talks about can be scientifically verified and

about can be scientifically verified and if they can't be scientifically examined

if they can't be scientifically examined because we don't have the tools for it

because we don't have the tools for it then it's still open for discussion so

then it's still open for discussion so whatever can be tested empirically with

whatever can be tested empirically with the tools we have access to has been

the tools we have access to has been true whatever we can't test uh we don't

true whatever we can't test uh we don't have an answer for but doesn't mean it's

have an answer for but doesn't mean it's not true it means we are not able to

not true it means we are not able to test it yet um and then this kind of

test it yet um and then this kind of more generically the Quran gets all

more generically the Quran gets all manner of scientific facts correct about

manner of scientific facts correct about our universe and biology that could not

our universe and biology that could not have been known to sth Century Arabs and

have been known to sth Century Arabs and I know this is also a surprisingly

I know this is also a surprisingly contentious um area and I've seen on

contentious um area and I've seen on your channel like um the different

your channel like um the different perspectives of scientists scientists

perspectives of scientists scientists had about talking about scientific

had about talking about scientific miracles in the Quran and I think it's a

miracles in the Quran and I think it's a it's a good Nuance discussion to have um

it's a good Nuance discussion to have um because it basically suffers from the

because it basically suffers from the same problem as the Miracles right very

same problem as the Miracles right very much so yeah yeah people overreaching

much so yeah yeah people overreaching and stuff and again I think it's out of

and stuff and again I think it's out of good intention but maybe they go too far

good intention but maybe they go too far to show something and it makes people

to show something and it makes people dismissive of the entire subject as a

dismissive of the entire subject as a whole which I think is a shame because I

whole which I think is a shame because I think there are really remarkable facts

think there are really remarkable facts in the in the Quran you know like um the

in the in the Quran you know like um the fact that the Universe emerged from a a

fact that the Universe emerged from a a single point what we would call The Big

single point what we would call The Big Bang Theory you know um and that

Bang Theory you know um and that expanding as well that's expand

expanding as well that's expand um you know that for example I think I

um you know that for example I think I put a picture of bees because I believe

put a picture of bees because I believe the Quran references like the worker

the Quran references like the worker honey bees as female and a feminine

honey bees as female and a feminine adjective which is is they're actually

adjective which is is they're actually female and people didn't know this the

female and people didn't know this the fact that the moon reflects the Sun's

fact that the moon reflects the Sun's light you know the Moon is described as

light you know the Moon is described as Mona in the in the in the Quran which

Mona in the in the in the Quran which means something that is reflective of

means something that is reflective of light whereas the sun is described as a

light whereas the sun is described as a lamp s which uh like indicates that it

lamp s which uh like indicates that it is the source of of heat and light um

is the source of of heat and light um people didn't know this they didn't they

people didn't know this they didn't they couldn't confir irm you know necessarily

couldn't confir irm you know necessarily that the moon wasn't creating its own

that the moon wasn't creating its own light um and so I mean I will say the

light um and so I mean I will say the same caveat that these scientists have

same caveat that these scientists have said that these quranic verses might not

said that these quranic verses might not exactly be referencing like you know the

exactly be referencing like you know the Big Bang or the expansion of the

Big Bang or the expansion of the Universe from my perspective I think

Universe from my perspective I think it's likely but the reason that they say

it's likely but the reason that they say well it doesn't necessarily tie it to

well it doesn't necessarily tie it to that is because we don't want to tie the

that is because we don't want to tie the quran's verses on matters that could

quran's verses on matters that could potentially change in the future because

potentially change in the future because that's the nature of it can change um

that's the nature of it can change um much to contrary you know popular belief

much to contrary you know popular belief um and so we don't but I still think

um and so we don't but I still think there's a tremendous number of like

there's a tremendous number of like scientific um verifiable facts in the

scientific um verifiable facts in the Quran that are just verifiable and like

Quran that are just verifiable and like you know the gender of honeybees is

you know the gender of honeybees is probably not going to change anytime

probably not going to change anytime soon um or like you know the moon isn't

soon um or like you know the moon isn't gonna not be reflective of we go holy

gonna not be reflective of we go holy Aro trans bees of course

Aro trans bees of course which science ah this this male be if as

which science ah this this male be if as a female B and they have a trans

a female B and they have a trans B yeah until that point

B yeah until that point reaches but but yeah like the the point

reaches but but yeah like the the point is that I still think it's a valid a

is that I still think it's a valid a valid field of study um but again it has

valid field of study um but again it has to be approached at the same level of

to be approached at the same level of like um

like um region and um there's some other facts

region and um there's some other facts that I think people might not um really

that I think people might not um really like internalize um one is that the

like internalize um one is that the quran's Arabic genuinely superseded the

quran's Arabic genuinely superseded the best poets of Arabia despite the prophet

best poets of Arabia despite the prophet peace be upon him not being a poet and

peace be upon him not being a poet and here I just have a quote from one of the

here I just have a quote from one of the enemies of the Prophet at the time um WB

enemies of the Prophet at the time um WB M who he essentially is is praising the

M who he essentially is is praising the the quran's language even though he was

the quran's language even though he was an enemy of the Prophet um but he was

an enemy of the Prophet um but he was just saying I have you know heard such

just saying I have you know heard such speech from him and he says by Allah but

speech from him and he says by Allah but they would you know refer to God as

they would you know refer to God as Allah even when they didn't believe in

Allah even when they didn't believe in Islam it's like saying by God you know

Islam it's like saying by God you know so it doesn't mean he was necessarily

so it doesn't mean he was necessarily Muslim but you know he says I have heard

Muslim but you know he says I have heard such speech from him as can neither be

such speech from him as can neither be the speech of a mortal nor of Jin you

the speech of a mortal nor of Jin you know like of these like you know uh in

know like of these like you know uh in Islam there's this concept of like

Islam there's this concept of like demons and and Jin I think demons is not

demons and and Jin I think demons is not the right word I think Jin is its own

the right word I think Jin is its own word to be honest um its beauty no doubt

word to be honest um its beauty no doubt surpasses the beauty of all speeches

surpasses the beauty of all speeches cannot be superseded it is not the

cannot be superseded it is not the speech of any human being and he was a

speech of any human being and he was a prominent poet in Mecca and and a leader

prominent poet in Mecca and and a leader of the pre-islamic Mecca

of the pre-islamic Mecca so he was an authority on the subject

so he was an authority on the subject and I believe um again in hamat Sis's

and I believe um again in hamat Sis's book which I recommend the Divine

book which I recommend the Divine reality he illustrates this topic well

reality he illustrates this topic well he says if there was any time in history

he says if there was any time in history where a poet had a the best possible

where a poet had a the best possible shot of creating a copy of the Quran

shot of creating a copy of the Quran that would supersede it it would have

that would supersede it it would have been the time that the Quran was

been the time that the Quran was revealed because the Quran was revealed

revealed because the Quran was revealed at the height of pristine Arabic

at the height of pristine Arabic language and poetry was just like an

language and poetry was just like an industry where you know you could think

industry where you know you could think of it as like the artists of the time

of it as like the artists of the time and they were heavily praised um in in

and they were heavily praised um in in that Society so they had the best poets

that Society so they had the best poets and the proof that it wasn't superseded

and the proof that it wasn't superseded is that the Quran existed the first 13

is that the Quran existed the first 13 years of the prophet's mission was a

years of the prophet's mission was a primarily non-combative non-violent

primarily non-combative non-violent non-defensive uh Mission he was just

non-defensive uh Mission he was just basically taking all sorts of abuse

basically taking all sorts of abuse without retaliating because he wasn't

without retaliating because he wasn't allowed to do so all he had was the

allowed to do so all he had was the words of the Quran so that was his only

words of the Quran so that was his only asset so why are people converting to

asset so why are people converting to Islam if there was an alternative poet

Islam if there was an alternative poet who says oh that Quran that's nothing

who says oh that Quran that's nothing listen to this and then people would be

listen to this and then people would be like oh yeah you're right it really is

like oh yeah you're right it really is Nothing But Not only was the Quran not

Nothing But Not only was the Quran not nothing but it was so immensely powerful

nothing but it was so immensely powerful in its language to the point that the um

in its language to the point that the um people in the tribe of the Prophet you

people in the tribe of the Prophet you know his enemies were plotting to kill

know his enemies were plotting to kill him I mean it was taboo to try and kill

him I mean it was taboo to try and kill your own tribe member and instead of

your own tribe member and instead of trying to come up with better words they

trying to come up with better words they would resort to that last resort of

would resort to that last resort of trying to kill him I mean is it easier

trying to kill him I mean is it easier to come up with better words or is it

to come up with better words or is it easier to to plot and kill someone it's

easier to to plot and kill someone it's Taboo in your Society um the fact they

Taboo in your Society um the fact they had to resort to that measure indicates

had to resort to that measure indicates that they were that they failed to

that they were that they failed to produce something that was um

produce something that was um linguistically better this is the last

linguistically better this is the last part I promise um but the prophet s

part I promise um but the prophet s wasam is more like wellknown also is

wasam is more like wellknown also is known to have made extremely precise in

known to have made extremely precise in other words risky um predictions of the

other words risky um predictions of the fure future that have come to pass that

fure future that have come to pass that have been verified to to come to pass

have been verified to to come to pass and I give an example of this this is in

and I give an example of this this is in the um Hadith book you know the

the um Hadith book you know the collections of the sayings of the

collections of the sayings of the Prophet Sunan IB maah and uh it's when

Prophet Sunan IB maah and uh it's when the prophet Sall wasallam says when you

the prophet Sall wasallam says when you see the Barefoot naked destitute

see the Barefoot naked destitute Shepherds competing and constructing

Shepherds competing and constructing tall buildings which um Scholars say

tall buildings which um Scholars say these are referring to the Arab Nomads

these are referring to the Arab Nomads of Arabia for example and there's no

of Arabia for example and there's no realm where you would make a prediction

realm where you would make a prediction like this if you had to make a pred

like this if you had to make a pred about people building tall buildings at

about people building tall buildings at that time you could opt for the Persians

that time you could opt for the Persians or the the Romans you would not opt for

or the the Romans you would not opt for making that prediction for people living

making that prediction for people living um as Nomads in the desert and yet

um as Nomads in the desert and yet that's exactly what we see today in

that's exactly what we see today in Dubai and Saudi Arabia for example just

Dubai and Saudi Arabia for example just like the competition they're doing

like the competition they're doing trying to build these uh extremely tall

trying to build these uh extremely tall buildings like the BJ Khalifa I mean

buildings like the BJ Khalifa I mean that is that's like I think that's a

that is that's like I think that's a pretty pretty strong evidence in and of

pretty pretty strong evidence in and of itself if nothing else was here um and

itself if nothing else was here um and then also the fact that the Quran has

then also the fact that the Quran has been demonstrably preserved for 1,400

been demonstrably preserved for 1,400 plus years as God said it would be

plus years as God said it would be another example where the claim is being

another example where the claim is being made in the text itself which is makes

made in the text itself which is makes it doubly important right God said that

it doubly important right God said that he would preserve the Quran and it's

he would preserve the Quran and it's been preserved it's an only known book

been preserved it's an only known book to have like gone through this

to have like gone through this preservation throughout that period of

preservation throughout that period of time with no um changes in the world

time with no um changes in the world words or even letters of the Quran

words or even letters of the Quran between hundreds of thousands of

between hundreds of thousands of communities across the world who had

communities across the world who had memorized it since that time if it

memorized it since that time if it wasn't preserved you'd expect at least

wasn't preserved you'd expect at least one Community to have some like you know

one Community to have some like you know double standard version of it but we

double standard version of it but we don't find

don't find that and this is the just a like a

that and this is the just a like a manuscript of the Buran Quran which was

manuscript of the Buran Quran which was dated to within years of the prophet's

dated to within years of the prophet's Lifetime with radiocarbon dating and

Lifetime with radiocarbon dating and it's consistent with today's Quran so

it's consistent with today's Quran so the the the parts of this that we have

the the the parts of this that we have today are consistent with the Quran

today are consistent with the Quran and finally I'll just want to end by

and finally I'll just want to end by saying like um people also don't realize

saying like um people also don't realize that the in the prophet peace be upon

that the in the prophet peace be upon him's life the prophet was uh offered

him's life the prophet was uh offered great wealth and political Authority at

great wealth and political Authority at one episode of his life by his opponents

one episode of his life by his opponents in Mecca they wanted to shut him down

in Mecca they wanted to shut him down without having to resort to like killing

without having to resort to like killing him yet at that time and they're like

him yet at that time and they're like okay listen you're getting a lot of

okay listen you're getting a lot of followers but this monotheism business

followers but this monotheism business doesn't really work with us um so how

doesn't really work with us um so how about we do a little bit of a compromise

about we do a little bit of a compromise you know you get it's like essentially

you know you get it's like essentially saying how about we practice your

saying how about we practice your religion on Sunday but we get Mondays

religion on Sunday but we get Mondays and you can go back on Tuesdays and

and you can go back on Tuesdays and we'll give you you will make you the

we'll give you you will make you the richest man in Mecca we'll give you all

richest man in Mecca we'll give you all the women that you want will give you

the women that you want will give you will'll make you the chief of Mecca

will'll make you the chief of Mecca essentially you know put you in a very

essentially you know put you in a very high position of authority all you have

high position of authority all you have to do is slightly compromise on your

to do is slightly compromise on your monotheistic values and the prophet

monotheistic values and the prophet obviously refused if there was any time

obviously refused if there was any time that someone who claims the prophet was

that someone who claims the prophet was a charlatan this would have been this is

a charlatan this would have been this is like a you know irre reconcilable fact

like a you know irre reconcilable fact with that proposition uh that would have

with that proposition uh that would have been a perfect time for someone like

been a perfect time for someone like that allegedly to take over but he

that allegedly to take over but he didn't and this verse was revealed that

didn't and this verse was revealed that um say Prophet I am only immortal like

um say Prophet I am only immortal like you but it has been revealed to me that

you but it has been revealed to me that your God is one take the straight path

your God is one take the straight path to him and seek his forgiveness woe to

to him and seek his forgiveness woe to the idolators so I think uh that's that

the idolators so I think uh that's that really is the end this just some sources

really is the end this just some sources just some links some of the places I

just some links some of the places I found these like Bible statistics and a

found these like Bible statistics and a couple of videos from thean speak on the

couple of videos from thean speak on the mathematical patterns that I largely use

mathematical patterns that I largely use um and yeah that's that's essentially it

um and yeah that's that's essentially it so um yeah if you have any questions

so um yeah if you have any questions Paul like you can you can run them by me

Paul like you can you can run them by me um um I hope everything was like

um um I hope everything was like relatively clear I hope I didn't lose

relatively clear I hope I didn't lose any of your viewers along the way no no

any of your viewers along the way no no I I think the strength of your

I I think the strength of your presentation was that it was very clear

presentation was that it was very clear were research grounded in sober analysis

were research grounded in sober analysis rather than extravagant esesis as as

rather than extravagant esesis as as academics call it uh reading things into

academics call it uh reading things into text than exeresis reading uh you know

text than exeresis reading uh you know trying to get the meaning from the text

trying to get the meaning from the text as it is um so this is a this a very

as it is um so this is a this a very helpful sober measured as you call it uh

helpful sober measured as you call it uh methodology that you've adopted and um

methodology that you've adopted and um and we can independently fact check what

and we can independently fact check what you're saying I like the fact that

you're saying I like the fact that you've given us of codes we can copy and

you've given us of codes we can copy and paste my everyone will not be doing that

paste my everyone will not be doing that that's not not something that I will do

that's not not something that I will do um but um there are people out there you

um but um there are people out there you will want to fat check it which is great

will want to fat check it which is great so I really I really appreciate your

so I really I really appreciate your openness and your willingness to be held

openness and your willingness to be held to account in in what you're saying and

to account in in what you're saying and it is it's good thank you thank you

it is it's good thank you thank you thank you very much yeah I just hope

thank you very much yeah I just hope that this sort of reignites this

that this sort of reignites this conversation about looking at the Quran

conversation about looking at the Quran from this perspective although I I I

from this perspective although I I I don't want people to go overboard

don't want people to go overboard obviously that was the point at the very

obviously that was the point at the very beginning but yeah the Quran has all

beginning but yeah the Quran has all sorts of miraculous aspects and each one

sorts of miraculous aspects and each one will touch someone differently and I

will touch someone differently and I think it would be a shame to close um

think it would be a shame to close um the door on this subject when I think

the door on this subject when I think there's some real gems in there that I

there's some real gems in there that I think even God himself seems to be

think even God himself seems to be alluding to us exploring so you know why

alluding to us exploring so you know why close that off and it could bring

close that off and it could bring someone into the fold of Islam so um

someone into the fold of Islam so um yeah I think I think it could be

yeah I think I think it could be hopefully insh it would be useful so um

hopefully insh it would be useful so um yeah anything good that I says from God

yeah anything good that I says from God anything any mistakes I've made for

anything any mistakes I've made for myself so thank you so much for uh

myself so thank you so much for uh having me Paul and um you very

having me Paul and um you very much using your expertise and and your

much using your expertise and and your training uh to such good effect uh to

training uh to such good effect uh to benefit the um so we can have a sober

benefit the um so we can have a sober measured uh but real appreciation

measured uh but real appreciation nevertheless of the mathematical

nevertheless of the mathematical remarkable signs aats in in the Quran

remarkable signs aats in in the Quran which indicate a Divine mind behind it

which indicate a Divine mind behind it as there is in the universe itself which

as there is in the universe itself which is also an a sign of God there is in his

is also an a sign of God there is in his word the book of Nature and the Book of

word the book of Nature and the Book of God uh as has once put it both pointing

God uh as has once put it both pointing in the same direction uh to God himself

in the same direction uh to God himself so I think you've done a really good job

so I think you've done a really good job to do that so thank you very much indeed

to do that so thank you very much indeed thanks thanks thanks thanks very much

thanks thanks thanks thanks very much much thank you till next time next time

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