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The discussion posits that a Chinese blockade or attack on Taiwan would trigger a robust international response, particularly from the United States and its allies, and that Taiwan possesses sufficient defensive capabilities, augmented by off-island support, to deter or repel such aggression.

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If they impose blockade actually it's

very easy to break blockade because when

ch when China imposes blockade you think

the whole world is just gonna stand by

and do nothing

of course not

I suspect immediately there will be

economic sanction I would say um almost

100% sure because United States

understands if United States cannot help

defend Taiwan

And the impact on US presence in the

Western Pacific is tremendous. If we

can't stop China

at Taiwan, why would Japan, Korea or

Philippine believe United States have

the capability to stop China from

imposing their will against these

countries? US defense for Taiwan will be

done near Taiwan. Okay. our carriers,

our deployment in the Philippines, in

the Japanese islands. Okay, we can get here.

here.

Our forces from those islands can help

destroy everything that's on Taiwan

Straight, in the air, in the sea, under

the water. So there's no need. So when

people say United States is not going to

come to Taiwan, you're right. We're not

going to come to Taiwan, but we will be

around Taiwan, help protect Taiwan.

That's all Taiwan needs because Taiwan's

ability to defend that area in front of

Taiwan is enough. United States will go

from the side and other allied forces,

Australian, Japanese will go from the

side because of US interest. I believe so.

If war starts, okay, it's going to be

very chaotic on Taiwan. Okay, civilians

try to evacuate, military deploy and try

to fight. If United States come to Taiwan,

Taiwan,

we would actually contribute to that chaos.

chaos.

This has all been studied. Obviously,

our presence, our help to defend Taiwan

don't need to be on Taiwan. Taiwan have

enough resources to defend itself. The

layer defense on the air now with the

latest arm cell, the layer defense on

the surface. Okay, if you look at what

that's on the latest arm cell package,

enough US coming to Taiwan will

contribute that to that mess. Your

military is busy defending Taiwan and

still have to take care of the

Americans. No, US defense for Taiwan

will be done near Taiwan. Okay, our

carriers, our deployment in the

Philippines, in the Japanese islands.

Okay, we can get here.

Our forces from those islands can help

destroy everything that's on Taiwan

Straight, in the air, in the sea, under

the water. So there's no need. So when

people say United States is not going to

come to Taiwan, you're right. We're not

going to come to Taiwan, but we will be

around Taiwan, help protect Taiwan.

That's all Taiwan needs because Taiwan's

ability to defend that area in front of

Taiwan is enough. United States will go

from the side and other allied forces,

Australian, Japanese will go from the

side. None of the forces will come to

Taiwan because truly uh if you look at

it carefully um other than a small

coordination team maybe 20 30 people to

as a liaison team to coordinate activities

activities

to make sure we we work together you

know where are the Taiwan submarines for

example okay we want to know so we don't

end up hitting Taiwan submarine and our

forces where so make sure you don't hit because

because

other than it's very small I believe you

know I I don't want to talk about the

actual war plan besides I haven't seen

the war plan for over 10 years so it's

changed so many times but other than I

believe other than a small liaison team

of people coming to Taiwan in the

command center coordinated a action

there will be no boots on the ground so

to speak US forces I can't imagine US

deployed forces to come to Taiwan okay

it just you you actually create problem

for Taiwan. So the defense of Taiwan by

United States and coalition forces will

be done from off island

Well, actually, let me address the first

part of your question. Okay. uh and um I

seen in many of the prochina media talk

about saturation strike by the rocket

and missiles. Um

if you look at the latest package uh

ATACM okay 421 ATACM right

>> uh before Taiwan bought 84 okay when we

sold atam to Taiwan last time 84 I was

thinking hm this is a policy change why

well atakam 300 kilometer can hit China okay

okay

I wasn't sure but at this time with 400

something I'm sure there's a policy

change because if you recall before

United States only sell defensive

weapon. Okay, United States did not want

Taiwan to hit China and uh basically

escalate the war. So Taiwan developed

your own Shong missiles that can hit

China. Okay.

So if you think China's rocket

which flies a low profile actually can

get here before the missile. Okay. How

long does it take China's rocket to fly

from China to Taiwan? Seven and a half

minutes. Okay. When they launch, within

two minutes, well, within seconds, the

satellite is going to see it. I'm going

to pass intelligence down. And then

Taiwan before the war, Taiwan spy should

already know, oh, these rockets trucks

are leaving the base and ready to

launch. And there they are. Okay. And

they can't move the bases. So, we know

what the bases are. So as they launch

within five minutes of their launch

before their first missile hit Taiwan

Taiwan's ATACM and Shong should be on

their way to China. War has started once

they fire the war has started. You can't

recall the missile missile is going to

turn not going to turn around and and go

home. Right? So this capability,

this ATACM capability and the Shong

capability will seriously degrade

China's second wave. Remember, China has 1,500

1,500

1,600 missiles, for example,

they have 600 launchers. Okay? So the

first wave of missiles sh the their don

missiles they might launch about 600 if

every one of them work. Okay.

How many will be shut down

by Patriot TK3? How many will be let go

to let them hit the rice field or

mountain when they don't hit any

important important things? How much

damage can they do? Okay. Uh rockets.

Rockets a problem. Taiwan needs to

strengthen it rocket defense. But

rockets once again GPS guided you can

self-kill right I mentioned earlier beto

you jam the signal they go stupid okay

so you protect your critical

infrastructure it will still hit some

houses and stuff unfortunately okay so

if you look at that from that angle okay

one saturation strike not going to

happen some I I saw some media say

10,000 missiles and rocket going to hit

Taiwan But please go go look at how many

launchers they have, how many rocket

launchers they have, and how many holes

they can do, you know, and also will

they have a chance to do second strike.

I think Taiwan's counter strike, okay,

can eliminate probably

50% or more of China's second wave

ability because you're going to hit that

missile base. So, they don't have

ability to reload those big uh uh

missiles that China uses and certainly

the the rocket locations and um just

remember when they do that, coalition

forces will be doing that too, you know.

So um I'm not too worried about that

because knowing the process and the main

thing is Taiwan once they get the

systems they need to practice is uh

rapid response you know because like I

said you should have those target sets

already preloaded

in your system okay

where to hit if China strike the fixed

targets it's easy they're missile bases

Okay. Where they have the munition

storage area. So those should already be

preloaded in a tack uh target and in

shong. Okay. Uh Taiwan can do its own

saturation strike. Okay. Um Taiwan is

building thousands of Shong 2 uh to E

long range cruise missiles. Right. So

you you go out there and knock down

their follow on strike capability. Okay.

then it's not that bad. It's that first

strike you have to intercept many of

them. It's not that bad. So I I I I

when I see this media report 10,000

missiles against Taiwan, but truly

Taiwan is a big island. If you look at

10,000 holes,

no country has ever surrendered because

of 10,000 holes. Okay? United States

bombed Vietnam

uh with millions of hoes. You know,

Vietnamese survived.

This type of strike is is intimidation

to people. Okay. Boom boom boom. Because

if you look at the size of a 250 pound warhead

warhead

or uh 500 pound warhead, the size of the

holes, I've seen the size of holes that

they make, you know. Um,

okay. Um to answer your question because

of US interest I believe so but your

premise two three months I think the attrition

attrition

to China's forces across Taiwan straight

remember Taiwan is not like like Ukraine

where Russian forces can hide behind the

mountains behind the tree and come over

and attack there's no place to hide over

Taiwan okay so as Indocom commander

Papyrro said it'll be hell straight

straight you know so the hellscape

that's description is very accurate

because when everything over Taiwan

straight in the sky on the water you

shoot you kill okay China can't survive

that there's an attrition rate so can

they last two three months I don't think

so I think when they get to a 30 40%

attrition rate and they lost all the big

ships okay they can't continue the war

that there's no possibility that they

can come over here helicopter

airborne. Taiwan have thousands of stingers,

stingers,

you know, as they get close and stinger

guys can sign in behind any tree. Uh so

so first of all but just in case they do

this okay uh I cannot imagine at least

when I was in DC it was made very clear

to me that uh Taiwan is the key because

if United States cannot help Taiwan

survive then our prestige in the

Asia-Pacific region will be zero. Okay,

our allies will start developing their

own nuclear weapons and start finding

ways to defend themselves. Small

countries and Philippines, Malaysia,

Vietnam will all say, "Okay, we're going

to have to listen to China." Okay?

Because we don't have a

country or even

world organizations

that can stop China because China

already disregard international rules.

Okay? If they can beat United States,

there's no more need for them to obey

international rules, they'll impose

their rules. So at that time truly

United States will have to go back to

Guam and Hawaii. But we can't allow that

to happen because this whole entire

region is so important to us uh both

economically and militarily. So I think

um yeah if it comes to that point

US national interest would dictate US

deployment and come help defend Taiwan.

But like I said I don't see going to

that point. Uh I don't I don't see how

this whole scenario have a positive

turnout for China. Even though many

medias think Taiwan should just give up.

I I think this media is being paid by

China to to to promote this uh defeist

attitude. Um if you look carefully at

how Taiwan defense uh scenario goes,

I don't see a scenario where China can

win. You know, unless through

psychological warfare, cognitive warfare

or Taiwan give up themselves.

actually Taiwan's model is very similar

to what United States has right now. We

have centralized control, decentralized

execution. When that link from

centralized control is cut, the the

decentralized portion already have their war

war

uh mission requirement.

So you continue to execute your war

mission requirement. Each unit knows

what we call war documentation.

No. Um so each unit knows in case you

lose that link. Okay. Even though that

command and control link is redundant,

you shouldn't lose it. But whatever,

just in case you lose it, that commander,

commander,

the commander of the flutilla, the

commander of the base, uh, fighter base,

whatever, air defense units, they know

what's their mission. My mission is this

area defense or my mission is to strike

these this these these targets. They'll

continue that mission, okay? without

guidance from above. The commander at

that unit is decentralized, knows his

mission. He will decide how to execute

that mission because dayto-day that's

what we do. The commanders get

authority. They get a overall

responsibility. You need to do this. The

commander decides how he execute to do

that. Okay. So by having those kind of

training, I'm hoping Taiwan is doing the

same because the concept is the same

centralized control, decentralized

execution. Okay, that's what Taiwan is

moving to which I it's the right thing

to do because you have to be ready to

lose that centralized control. If you

don't have that, what would you do? Um

during the Iraq war, Iraqis sat there

and waiting to to surrender because they

lost that centralized control. when we

jammed it and they have no further

direction. The tank unit just sitting there

there

waiting to surrender, waiting to be attacked.

attacked.

So you can't allow that to happen. A

centralized control organization like

the People's Liberation Army, okay, like

China, it's very centralized.

If they lose that command and control

system, I suspect many of the commanders

would know what to do because they have

not been trained. Okay. So what Taiwan

is doing now is make sure those

commander are trained to make decision

to execute their responsibility during

wartime even in a condition without

actually the question should be would

China willing to risk itself? Okay,

China's nuclear weapon right now is

about 10% of the United States nuclear

weapon and China's ability to deliver

that nuclear weapon is very limited as

compared to US ability to deliver that

nuclear weapon to China

and basically United States the number

of weapon and delivery system can I hate

to say this but majority of China can

become a wasteland because as you use

nuclear weapon That piece of land is

radioactive for the next 50 to 100

years. It's useless to mankind. Okay? If

you look at cha Chernobyl accident that

whole region, you can't use it. You

can't even eat what it grows, right? So

will China risk that because United

States declared nuclear policy is if you

use nuclear weapon against us, you can

be 100% assured of a nuclear response.

If you use nuclear weapon, United States

will counter with nuclear weapon. Okay?

And that nuclear weapon is before once

you launch. We have anti- nuclear

long-range missile system uh around

United States. Obviously, we have system

that capture on the the the middle phase

and also on the on the on the terminal

phase. United States missile will be on

its way over. Okay. So and it will be a

massive response.

So I China knows this. I mean the the

reason United States have declared

nuclear policies true is to deter

nuclear attack against United States. So

I don't see it. I don't see China even

thinking about because the in the latest

new nuclear policy review we said the

threat of use of nuclear weapon

sufficient for United States to launch a

nuclear strike. Okay. So I I don't see

that happening. Uh it we will be

foolish. It'll be a suicide escalation.

China, even if they launch nuclear

weapon, are they going to win? They're

not going to win. If you can't win, why

kill yourself? You know, it would

destroy the entire Chinese his

civilization be foolish. So, so I don't

see China doing that and I certainly

don't see China using nuclear weapon

against Taiwan. You know, Xiinping will

go down history as the the enemy of the

because I don't see how China can win

unless they can uh cause serious damage

internally to Taiwan before they start a

war. Okay.

The fifth column can create chaos,

destroy critical infrastructure, disrupt

chaiwan's own military forces from

defending Taiwan

before and during the war. Okay,

this is the most dangerous thing. The

fifth element which is operating now

taking also help

cognitive warfare.

These are the people who goes on TV

influencers. These are the people who in

the town meetings spreading information,

false information of uh you know uh

resistance is futile. If you resist

China, China just take over and you'll

be dead. Okay. And so that it caused

Taiwan to have a defeatist attitude

where reduces Taiwan's will to fight.

Okay. In the meantime, they can uh

destroy your your electrical

distribution grid, put poison in your

water using drones, attack military

facilities from any building top. They

can can launch a zone, a drone of some

type. So the type of damage they can do

is much greater than any of the

missiles. You can defend against

missiles. You cannot defend mind

influence unless each person in Taiwan

have a very strong central belief of

defending Taiwan.

What I worry about is the fifth element

that's in country now dayto-day they do

very low level cognitive warfare.

Sometimes you don't even realize it.

Okay. and and recently you saw the news

where uh they are uh paying off influencers

influencers

uh in Taiwan in the United States with

massive amount of money. So these people

received their money overseas probably

you know in their relatives account in

the United States they they receive US

dollar you know so it's difficult to

track but I understand it's been tracked

right now people are investigating some

of these people uh you know where

they're openly praising China and and uh

stuff so you wonder why would they do

that because of money you know and but

their influence these people probably

don't see themsel as fifth fifth column

but they are you are a fifth column if

you're serving your enemy right so all

these people might think oh you know I'm

great I'm doing uh you know my my my

home country whatever

but for Taiwan they're fifth column even

though you don't call yourself that but

you are so these are the people I worry

most because if Taiwan Tan's

determination to defend itself is affected.

affected.

People won't come to Taiwan's help. If

Taiwan is ready to surrender, why would

other people come help Taiwan? So that

is the key. That is why you see me talk

about this. And that is the only way I

believe China can grab Taiwan, annex

Taiwan is this. But like I said, these

people don't realize um if China do come

over, okay, China is one party system,

KMT, TPP or DPP, no more. It's a suicide

mission. And once these people loses its

usefulness, okay, right now they're

useful to to the communist, but when

they take over Taiwan, if they think

communist going to treat them better,

they better think again because you are

a traitor. If you are a trader, you're

always a trader. They won't trust you.

They probably the first one you get rid

of are these traders. So, so I hope they

think about this and uh uh think about

At that time the most important purpose

that United States wants to provide this

big radar is because

we want to give the leadership of Taiwan

time to evacuate because we are worried

about uh China use decapitation strike.

They they they may launch a couple of

missiles with the intention of killing

the leadership of Taiwan. So, this

radar, as you know, has a 3,000

kilometer range. They can give Taiwan

leadership about 20 minutes warning time

to take cover. Okay. The second purpose

is in case China decides to do a massive

attack on Taiwan using missiles and

rockets and airplanes,

this radar can detect it and provide uh

targeting, queuing uh information. It it

can tell like dayto day when Patriot is

monitoring missiles coming in, they will

scan the entire sky. Okay, this radar

can tell the Patriot system in about 10

minutes. You're going to have a radar

from this space and this space. So the

the Patriot radar can focus their energy

at those space. They see the incoming

missile early. It increases the

probability of kill. So those are the

main purpose uh primary two purpose

allow the leadership to have time to to

to take cover from a decapitation

strike. Second, to make the air missile

course, there there's going to be

missile defense that that protect that.

That's why I think China will use uh not

only missiles but also uh cruise

missiles to attack the this this site

since this is a fixed site. So most

likely they will use uh satellite

guidance system BO system. Okay. So

knowing that

you also look at the structure of this

radar. It's a 10-story tall radar. I

don't know if you have been there. Each

face has thousands of individual

transmitter receiver TR modules. So even

if you have a bomb blow up nearby killed

a few hundred, it still functions. But

the key is first you have the hard kill

option of having missile defense or

having fails close closing weapon system

that can kill the cruise missile. Second

thing is you use soft kill because a GPS

signal can be easily jammed. So the bet

signal and Taiwan has many of the the

the GPS jammers against bet system. you

can use soft kill and make these cruise

missile go stupid as they get close to

this site and they lose their tracking.

They don't know where they at and they

crash. Okay, so there are many different

defense system. Of course, I can't say

where it is or or how it's done, but

it's not so vulnerable as people think.

Okay, first of all, it's survivable

because it's so huge. You you need so

many missiles and bombs and to to to hit

it to knock it out of commission.

Second, they are the self-care protection.

Oh, of course. Um, Taiwan has many

mobile radars. Actually, majority of

Taiwan's radars are mobile. They're

they're deployable. They move around.

And once the combat starts, okay, once

Lean radar service primary purpose,

which is warning of the first strike, okay,

okay,

so it's damaged, let's say it's damaged,

okay, the actual combat is come is going

to take place within 300 kilometers of

Taiwan across the the Taiwan straight.

Taiwan's mobile radar all have that

range. you don't need that 3,000

kilometer range anymore. At that point,

Taiwan's surveillance and the

connectivity of the system and uh the

the command and control system will

depend on these mobile radar and their

picture will be integrated into one

single picture of battle area pictures.

So yeah, um it doesn't stop Taiwan's

defense because this is primary purpose.

Remember what I said, it's early

warning. Once the war starts,

the real surveillance and direction

passes to those mobile survivable

actually

that sharing is already ongoing

day-to-day. So, so it's it's nothing new

and I don't think uh it's it's

classified as far as uh the cooperation

between Taiwan and United States. So um

for example every week uh three four

times a week our RC135

goes along RC135 from Kadina it's not a

secret they they have two routes one's

north they go around China's northern

coast all the way to North Korea and

come back another one south go from

Okinawa all the way down to Han Island

and come back and and China have

intercepted many times so it's it's no

secret and all the information they

collect as far

where are the transmission source and

what are the frequency methodology and

all that information it's shared not

only with Taiwan but with our friends in

Japan you know uh any of the coalition

possible coalition partners uh the the

South China Sea information will be

shared with Philippines uh so this type

of sharing is ongoing dayto day so you

don't you don't need to establish a new

personally. I don't think they would. I

I think it would be very stupid to to do

that. Even though you you see in some of

the the more pro-China network in

Taiwan, they keep on saying, "Oh,

Taiwan's going to surrender in a week or

two or three weeks and stuff." I I can't

see it because uh blockade is a uh

double-edged sword for for China

because when ch when China imposes

blockade, you think the whole world is

just going to stand by and do nothing?

Of course not.

I suspect immediately there will be

economic sanction as that was imposed on

Russia. Okay. Um maybe the whole world

will stop the banking system will stop

using China Swift code so they can do

external trade. Maybe countries around

the world say oh you blockade Taiwan

your ship cannot come into your Kuska.

You cannot come into to San Diego,

Seattle. You cannot come into Singapore.

Countries might stop processing Chinese

ships. Even though it's might be Panama

ships that's going to China, maybe there

can be a counter blockade at straight of

Malacas. You going to China, hang on, we

want to inspect your stuff. You can't go

to China right now. So people talk about

how long can Taiwan last. Maybe they

should also ask how long can China last.

In addition during this time since China

already indicated my goal is to have

Taiwan give up to annex Taiwan. The next

step is using military force if Taiwan

doesn't give up. So at this time you

should expect United States and allied

forces to forward deploy to area around

Taiwan to further deter China from go

using their military. Okay. So

that's the military aspect, political

aspect. Maybe these countries including

United States will say if you use force

or if you continue this blockade, I will

formally recognize Taiwan as a separate

country from China. That's political

deterrence. Okay. So there are many

things that can happen and if China is

smart they have already thought through

the entire process because if they

impose blockade actually it's very easy

to break blockade if you some of the

older people remember uh Russia tried to

blockade Berlin after World War II

immediately the airbridge started coming

and I can see that happening okay I can see

see

airfields like Clark air base or or uh

subi naval base will be used to block

break this airbridge blockade and convoys.

convoys.

I believe the air bridge will be

established within days for critical

supplies. A convoy within a week or two

will be coming through with military

escort. Will China risk

starting a war by attacking this escort

convoy? attacking the fighter escort of

the airbridge or the the the ship escort

of the convoy. Okay. So if you look at

that will China escalate

expand this war into not just with

Taiwan not with everybody. Okay. So per

that's why personally I don't think they

I would say um almost 100% sure because

United States understands if United

States cannot help defend Taiwan

then the impact on US presence in the

Western Pacific is tremendous. If we

can't stop China

at Taiwan, why would Japan, Korea or

Philippine believe United States have

the capability to stop China from

imposing their will against these

countries? Okay. So, United States is

not ready to pull out of Asia, Western

Pacific. It's too important for the

United States national interest. So I I

cannot see a scenario where US will not

be involved. Um I I fully believe United

States will be here from from the very

beginning of a Chinese imposed action

either blockade or any other kind of

This is a very good question. Okay. Uh

majority of people don't understand US

decision-m process. All right. So every

area where US interest is involved, we

have a comprehensive war plan already in

place with many options. These options

based is based on the enemy's action and

also US readiness of preparedness at

different state of preparedness. We have

different options. Okay. So if China

wants to do something against Taiwan,

they can't hide it. Okay. Usually we'll

have strategic warning, okay? Maybe

weeks, a month in advance. Okay, it's

very hard to conduct a warfare against

Taiwan without having some kind of

preparation. Okay, because you you want

to win. So you cannot just have 20

airplane come around and attack Taiwan.

You can hide 20 airplanes, right? But

you cannot hire 400 airplane loading up

weapons. You cannot hide all these ships

getting ready to attack. So when we get

strategic warning, first thing that's

going to happen is our commander in

Indoaccom command will go to Washington

DC and go with the secretary of defense

and the chairman of the joint chief

because their adviser to the president

and the war fighter commander is PCOM

commander. The three of them will go to

tell tell the president sir this is

happening. We think China is ready to

attack and based on our current

readiness and what China is doing, I

recommend option C.

The president will get to choose and

decide okay if China attacks implement

option three, option C. Okay. So the

decision process actually is on the

front end. United States is not stupid

until enemy do something. Oh, what

should I do? No, that decision is made

beforehand and the Indopaccom commander

has given the authority

to execute the war plan the minute China

does something that trigger obviously is

classified what triggers that

implementation of the war plan. But the

fact is at that point when president say

execute option C within option C there

are force deployment order immediately

issued the carrier in San Diego deploy

the submarines from the west coast all

move forward moving and submarines in

Hawaii go out and of course Guam

submarines out there dayto-day so

the timing that most people don't

understand is it's quick because the

decisions made beforehand. Okay, the

president already knows, okay, if China

do this, it affects United States court

interest. We're not going to stand by

and and so

from the time that China takes action,

you should expect United States already

have response ready. Okay? And um and

this is not a secret. After the Gulf

War, everybody knows in in our war plan

based on the option, the first 72 hours

of combat action is already set who does

what to who. Then after 72 hours, our

war plan will determine enemies action.

Then we have what we call branches and

sequel. That's already our intelligence

studies. Okay, most likely if they go

this way, the following action such such

then we'll go to that branch and we have

sequels. So like I say, it's a very

comprehensive war plan. Uh I was a

planner for for two years and uh um

United States action will be very quick

and uh hopefully China understand this.

I say this because I really hope to

deter further deter China from doing

something unthinkable. Let's go the

political decision is already made. I I

don't think uh there's a waiting for

political decision. Um because uh

you know we we run this exercise when I

was in the military and and and uh um we

we do this on a Taiwan scenario uh quite

often uh even now um I don't think it

takes even the 72 tower is the war plan

how to fight the first three days okay

if we're going to engage in the fight

that decision is already made and like I

said the Indo Paccom commander already

given authority and the fact is if you

look at all the exercise we do in the

region king's war with Japan okay all

the exercise we have Australia in and in

in in in Philippines and also bamboo

eagle in the US

they are all exercising wartime scenarios

scenarios

as u we can't exercise entire war plan

okay we do a little bit of each time.

Um, and if you want to understand the

wartime command structure,

uh, how we will fight, okay, if just go

online and look at the command structure

for rim of Pacific exercise, rimac

exercise from previous years, you will

see how we deploy the joint task force

commander. Then under the deputy

commanders usually we have a Japanese or

we have coalition forces structure and

um we call it rimpact but the fact is we

exercise some of the things that we need

to do in case China starts a war so um

all these are exercised all these are

prepared and uh so political decision

like I your question is will it take

three days no it won't take three days

that is already done beforehand

the the military deployment is the

timing how far advance we have the

warning if we know China going to do

something we will start early if we

China surprise us and we don't have

enough forces then we use a different

option the the commander will recommend

to the president a different option

where maybe from US asset long range

strike first then then follow on if our

forces already forward deployed and you

know Uh more of the local strike and and

to defense against fifth column

is the duty of every citizen. Okay.

Without the participation of the

citizens, it's impossible.

Each citizen should become more aware.

When you see something strange, report

it or stop it. Okay? Because police and

army cannot be everywhere. But people,

you and I are everywhere. Okay? So it

takes the involvement, the awareness of

the people. Okay.

As far as defense weapon goes, of

course, you see in Taiwan's using those

uh uh radio frequency guns to point at

the the the the UAV, the drones to to

knock it down. And Taiwan is so

populated, you cannot use gun to shoot

it down because if you don't if you miss

the darn thing, you hit somebody. So

another thing I think Taiwan should

consider is like microwave weapon where

we can counter against a swarm of drones

by burning out the secretaries. You

know, United States is using that on

some of our bases um overseas because

what you worry about is every you know

here comes 50 drones. If you use this

microwave type weapon within one or two

kilometers they they lose function they

fall. Okay. Uh these are the type of

things I think Taiwan need to look at

more closely because the threat is real.

Like I mentioned, somebody on top of the

rooftop in every building, they can be

flying something. A $200 US drone can

hit a third, you know, $36 million F-16,

right? So, so you you need to defend

against these. So, as somebody

when the situation is getting bad and

some guy some some guy's carrying some

suitcase up to the rooftop,

it should be reported right away. You

got to catch them on the front end

before they take action.

Okay, they should be stopped. They need

to be stopped. That's how we defend

against fifth fifth element is through

the the the involvement of the entire

nation because the infiltration from

China uh is tremendous. It's very

difficult to prevent it. Taiwan got such

big coastline, you know, they can come

over, you know, the guy rode a little

boat all the way up to Dancer River, for

example, you know, so so these type of

things happen.

So the prevention

uh defense is a national defense requirement,

requirement,

people's involvement.

So that's how we defend against fifth

column forces. Tony,

Tony,

>> thank you.

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