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1:37 welcome back to Kevin Pollock's Chat
1:41 Show oddly if not unacceptably I am Chat
1:45 Show unacceptably yeah is that a why not
1:47 it felt strange coming out you know what
1:50 it felt strange going in and yet here we
1:52 are oh what a wonderful show Oscar
1:55 Sunday everybody so exciting it is
1:57 exciting uh the Oscars yeah now this
1:59 show is dropping for the ear will for
2:02 the audio audience post Oscars oh we
2:03 already know who the winners are we sure
2:05 do let's celebrate them shall we all
2:09 right I can't believe quite honestly
2:15 that KC best picture Mr
2:17 Black all the various gags that have
2:19 been done in The Simpsons with that Mr
2:21 Black Mr
2:24 Black um so I'm going to I'm going to
2:26 predict now yeah go for it and then
2:28 we'll uh we'll know instantly okay how
2:30 horribly wrong I am
2:32 okay uh I'm going to go cuz again we're
2:34 trying to pick winner sure not my
2:36 personal choice no no no of course not
2:38 winner I like to pick the winners
2:41 obviously um uh Jaden you can come in
2:46 this way there we go very excited to get
2:49 some help from uh Jaden young Jaden
2:51 young Jaden there she is two shot go to
2:53 the two there she
2:56 goes so exciting oh you miss she looked
3:00 extra Jody Sweeten like today oh man La
3:01 La Land so you're going La La Land best
3:03 picture L land best picture all right
3:06 and Best Director oh Dam best
3:11 screenplay hidden figures uh ooh strong
3:13 is that is that original or adapted that
3:16 it's adapted from a book adapted hidden
3:18 figures is very strong yep we'll talk
3:21 about our guest in a moment about
3:24 that uh uh uh Manchester by the City
3:27 original screen play okay yeah who wants
3:29 to hear about the food I'm making now
3:31 the reason I mentioned the Oscars is
3:34 because you uh as the annual tradition
3:35 will be
3:38 preparing Oscar title Oscar nominated
3:42 titled film pun based foods Foods food
3:44 stuffs starting with I'm making a lamb
3:49 roast for La La lamb la la lamb yep
3:50 absolutely and this is my and then my
3:52 person don't give away the
3:55 recipe and my personal favorite I'm making
3:56 making
4:00 hamcho wow hamester by the Pea
4:04 soup and for dessert Jello-O high water
4:07 Jello high water come on
4:09 people and then there's another one we
4:12 know of that J came up with Lion a
4:15 potatoes lion lion but I'm this is I do
4:17 not host the party so I can only bring
4:19 so much so I'm limiting myself at three
4:21 dishes right and what is the other
4:23 dessert that uh you
4:25 helped along with the title The pun
4:29 title I don't the M Street movie oh but uh
4:30 uh
4:33 banan Foster jins like FL FL Foster jins
4:35 Banana Foster yeah that's right one
4:39 that's right yeah um all right so I'm
4:40 excited I look forward to that I look
4:42 forward to most of our guests or most of
4:44 our listeners hearing this after the
4:46 Oscars have happened yeah and wondering
4:48 why how is this still a let's talk about
4:50 the Super Bowl now okay let's do it
4:52 can't believe that Tom Brady uh we'll
4:54 come to you line from the Westside
4:55 comedy theater if you're ever in the Los
4:58 Angel area go ahead do yourself a solid
5:01 and look up the West side comedy.com
5:03 site for all the various shows tonight
5:06 for example when we're doing this Dana
5:08 Carvey was here he did two shows in
5:10 February he did he was last yeah he
5:11 likes the Sunday show the 7 o'clock
5:13 Sunday show but check the calendar all
5:14 kinds of amazing improv groups and
5:16 sketch groups we love the Westside
5:18 comedy theater and it means a great deal
5:22 to us and should to you you sons of
5:26 [ __ ] Sammy yeah buddy did uh did your
5:29 Hawaii 5 5 Air it sure did and how did
5:31 that go you know I can talk about it now
5:34 that it's aired uh yep yeah I don't see
5:37 why not uh it was fantastic they pay me
5:38 to fly out to Hawaii uh make out with
5:40 this beautiful woman and then they kill
5:41 me before the opening credits now when
5:44 you say make out with this beautiful
5:47 women yeah woman was this in the show
5:50 yes cuz so know old show business perks
5:51 that's true there's a guy waiting in the
5:53 in the in the double
5:55 Banger that's that's before my time I
5:58 guess I've never trailer reference I've
6:00 never had such good for
6:03 uh no no but uh but he lucky if he gets
6:05 a fruit basket yeah it's true uh no they
6:06 had to pay this uh particular young lady
6:09 to make out with me uh but uh it was
6:11 great let's talk about that for a moment
6:13 they literally paid a woman to make out
6:17 with you yeah yep yeah wow send your
6:18 cards and letters I don't know if that
6:21 audible woo was dooman or
6:25 J yeah I think we have our answer um
6:27 anyway uh I believe it is still on
6:30 cbs.com you can find it on the on demand
6:32 and what have you and on CBS all access
6:35 which hey for No One listening tonight
6:37 no anyone listening right now on CBS all
6:40 access soon is going to be uh the good
6:43 fight the good fight I think drops
6:45 Tonight Tonight on CBS but it is a CBS
6:47 all access and then going directly for
6:49 the following episodes to the access I
6:50 played a judge in an upcoming episode
6:53 you don't say I did what a coincidence I
6:54 mentioned it the
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7:42 seen uh that's about it subscribe to us
7:44 on the YouTube I think that's most of
7:45 the business Jamie anything I'm
7:47 forgetting as always I know you were
7:50 looking at me so like with such
7:52 desperation like I had extra information
7:53 like you were trying to pull information
7:54 out of me and I'm like I feel like
7:57 that's true always like I'm forgetting
7:59 everything yes all right I've just
8:03 accepted it um I'm very excited for the
8:06 return of Our Guest she was at the old
8:08 Studio this is a book that dropped in
8:10 November still available in every way
8:14 you can get and read and enjoy a book um
8:16 this is a collection of essays talking
8:18 as fast as I can please welcome its
8:20 author Lauren
8:24 Graham Lauren wow I'm so excited to talk
8:27 about this thanks yes honestly and truly
8:29 before I do however with the personal
8:30 connection to jaman one of her favorite
8:33 films is it possible we didn't discuss
8:35 this last time that your father could
8:38 have known Willie
8:42 Wonka my dad was the he's retired now
8:46 recently retired um it was the president
8:47 of the national confectioners
8:51 Association which is a group that
8:52 represents candy and people who make
8:57 candy and chocolate represents them in
8:59 like a lobbyist like a lobbying group
9:02 and like a member organization and it
9:05 has marketing aspects it has um lobbying
9:07 aspects but now so I think the answer is
9:10 yes could he have known Willy Wonka or
9:13 is he indeed Willy Wonka himself but now
9:16 my father in retirement um became a
9:18 certified spinning instructor went went
9:21 back to school to get his master's
9:25 degree um is teaching it when went to
9:26 work as a consultant like he's on fire
9:28 he can't be stopped he's like the least
9:31 retired re person ever if I have a list
9:34 of uh uh activities on one side and a
9:37 list of Ages of men and women on the
9:40 other side and I'm Max matching them do
9:42 I match your father to spinning
9:44 instructor do we think that not not you
9:46 wouldn't think so you wouldn't think not
9:48 not that wouldn't be your first choice
9:50 but he uh he is a got to be well into
9:53 his 60s he is in fact older than that um
9:55 but he's incredibly fit he used to cyle
9:59 work every day and he's just uh he's is
10:01 an impressive guy that is unbelievable
10:02 yeah which which made him a great
10:04 representative of candy and chocolate
10:05 because he looked like someone who like
10:07 never ate Candy at all like he had the
10:10 metabolism of a feret which he does
10:14 which he does yeah fantastic yeah uh and
10:17 an inspiration like that growing up yeah
10:21 I mean just a uh metabolically speaking
10:24 metabolically speaking um uh just an
10:26 inspiration in general he's very smart
10:30 guy uh very nice guy and uh you know
10:32 great boss and good good to his
10:34 employees and stuff so put it out there
10:36 you'll get it back yeah be a nice person
10:38 yeah how tough could it be yeah yeah
10:40 yeah that's great preparation for the
10:43 business you have chosen because uh it's
10:46 unnecessary to be nice to be a nice
10:49 person and yet I think it's helpful
10:51 unbelievably so not just in your life
10:54 yeah well also in terms of managing
10:57 groups of people and um and just keeping
11:00 a cool head and you know there was not
11:03 not any volatility in our household so
11:05 it always confuses me when I'm met with
11:08 it I'm I'm I I don't understand the
11:11 level of emotion sometimes that comes up
11:14 in what we do because we're just telling
11:17 stories on a little stage it's like why
11:18 is everyone so upset yeah why is
11:20 everyone so upset the money I guess
11:22 people worry about being responsible for
11:24 huge amounts of money and letting people
11:26 down yeah is this why in fact you've
11:28 turned to
11:31 writing it the writing came partially
11:34 out of the what drives me in general as
11:38 an actor fear and anxiety sure and and
11:40 and having a stretch of time where I
11:43 didn't know what was coming next and um
11:46 right and so I just filled the time and
11:48 and then it became a thing I owed people
11:50 who were paying me but it started as
11:54 just an activity kind of for myself yeah
11:56 yeah I started a mantra years ago that
11:58 everyone in this room and people who are
12:00 regular to the show have had it with
12:01 already but if you're not creating
12:04 you're waiting and as an actor it is
12:06 waiting unless you get proactive in the
12:07 whole thing it was also just kind of the
12:11 way my brain works I can't I can only do
12:14 so much like um going to Soul cycle and
12:16 like you know I mean I read a lot and
12:19 but I just start kind
12:23 of creating some you know and and uh
12:27 that's what happens at at rest is I came
12:29 up started coming up with it's it's not
12:31 always fun it sounds like a brag like a
12:33 brag like I just can't keep still my
12:36 brain just keeps working but but it is
12:38 it's just sort of what happens and what
12:40 is your process to jot down the idea
12:43 when it pops into your head um for a
12:46 long time there wasn't one and uh and
12:47 over time just decided to test your
12:49 memory on a regular basis kind of I keep
12:51 a lot of it in my mind how's that
12:54 working kind of it's okay it's okay I
12:56 mean I do I carry a notebook I write
12:58 things down I write things in the phone um
13:00 um
13:04 but uh a lot just kind of um it's it's a
13:06 weird process of of cooking things in a
13:10 way like I that comes up if I'm driving
13:13 or you know um it's not linear
13:14 necessarily it's not always there on
13:17 command when I go to sit down to write
13:20 so I have to you know write it as it as
13:23 it happens but I've learned quite a bit
13:27 because I started with a a novel I wrote
13:30 and that turned into a an adaptation of
13:32 that for television like it I have had
13:34 these different opportunities and every
13:38 time I do something else I learn so much
13:40 that I want to go back and redo all the
13:42 stuff I've done already because you know
13:43 writing like acting it's something
13:46 Frozen in in time but you could always
13:49 keep revising it you know if you were
13:51 able and and so i' I've learned quite a
13:54 bit and from filmmaker Don Roose who's
13:57 credited in in my book I finally learned
14:00 a method after after all these kind of
14:03 trial and error a method as a writer
14:06 yeah um which I talk about in the book
14:09 and and reprint these pieces of paper he
14:12 gave me very generously um which is how
14:14 he gets his work done which is a
14:17 variation of it's called kitchen timer
14:21 but um to me the the most vital and most
14:24 difficult hurdle in writing is just
14:27 getting out of your own way abs and and
14:29 releasing yourself from like this has to
14:31 be the greatest thing you know I've ever
14:33 done in fact the opposite is true of the
14:35 first draft exactly except that it's
14:36 going to be [ __ ] you're going to rewrite
14:38 it within an inch of its life uh My
14:42 slogan which I I think I came up with is
14:44 don't be perfect just be done which is
14:47 just get to the end of whatever it is
14:50 Fant and then uh I throw up the first
14:52 draft just throw it up yeah but it's
14:55 very hard to do if you're um when you're
14:57 starting out I think it's impossible
14:59 you're so embarrassed as if anyone is
15:00 looking at at the first draft as if
15:03 anyone is Jud no one no one will or no
15:05 one should you're forced to yes exactly
15:07 and maybe that's it it's like you're so
15:10 horrified at your own um when a day has
15:11 passed you wake up and start the next
15:13 day do you go back and read what you
15:15 wrote the day the night before or do you
15:18 just catch up with a paragraph and then
15:20 it depends I try not to go back that's a
15:23 real trap because you'll just revise
15:24 your first 30 pages over and over you
15:26 already started the rewriting process I
15:28 I just rewrote this conversation um and
15:32 um but but uh I try to look at it just
15:34 to kind of place myself in time but not
15:39 not go fix it yet um and uh pretty much
15:42 that works and what I've never done
15:44 which is probably terrible but I don't
15:47 outline anything um which in a book of
15:49 essays is one thing you know I had the
15:52 titles so so that became sort of an
15:55 outline of a of a sort but um in
15:57 structuring fiction or structuring a
15:59 screenplay having no outline is really a
16:02 disaster but that's just how I do it so
16:05 far yeah I I rarely use an outline also
16:07 I'll have an idea for beginning middle
16:09 and then sometimes just a just uh a
16:12 beginning and I want the end to evolve
16:15 with what what the story is I don't
16:16 always feel the pressure to know how
16:19 it's going to end I think in fact unless
16:20 Sometimes some crazy ending comes to
16:23 mind first which has happened uh-huh and
16:25 then I figure out how the hell am I
16:26 going to get there and then that becomes
16:28 a ridiculous Road I always right with an
16:30 outline I don't know what I write
16:32 sketches yeah I because I figure out the
16:35 I figure out the beats and then I write
16:36 those down and well if I may that's the
16:38 way you're supposed to do it yeah no
16:40 we're crazy yeah yeah I'm very
16:44 structured yeah it helps it does help
16:45 yeah if
16:48 you what I'm attempting to write next
16:49 I'm trying to do an outline for the
16:51 first time and what what is it I'm
16:54 spending a lot of time on that and I'm
16:55 thinking I'm starting to think why this
16:57 is a lot of time is it a screenplay or
17:01 yeah yeah yeah I just had this crazy
17:07 idea um and I'm doing research
17:10 beforehand which is not which is only
17:11 something when I'm in the body of it do
17:13 I find myself breaking away to do some
17:15 research I'm going about it differently
17:18 and um it feels like a lot more work
17:21 which I'm not afraid of um that was the
17:23 thing we talked about Bri briefly before
17:27 we went on which is the so much more
17:30 work involved compared to the acting
17:34 yeah yeah yeah well acting
17:37 uh has can involve research and and a
17:40 lot of work but um I'm doing some
17:42 episodes of Curb Your Enthusiasm right
17:46 now and boy is that a fun day of there's
17:49 no preparation you know you he writes a
17:51 wonderful outline and then the rest of
17:54 it is you just show up and try to be
17:57 loose and it's um definitely in contrast
18:00 to the screenplay I've been working on
18:02 that is there's a particular I don't
18:03 know if you have there's a particular
18:04 kind of when you when you spend an
18:07 entire day writing it's the grossest
18:09 feeling in the world of like you've been
18:12 sitting so long you know my writing
18:15 outfits are terrible they have to be so
18:16 comfortable like my you know Peter comes
18:18 home like the hair on top of the head
18:20 and the glasses and the blur expression
18:23 like it's just it's a certain kind of of
18:25 effort that um it's just such a
18:28 different feeling than being out you
18:29 know having your day or you know being
18:32 out working as anything well yeah
18:34 getting lost in the vacuum getting lost
18:37 and and uh I see I write in the tux okay
18:38 so that's where we differ
18:41 slightly no top put the Hat on the chair
18:43 next I'm like what I want a I want a
18:46 more attractive um treadmill desk
18:48 because I can't the sitting is just I
18:51 can't stand it but um I saw my first
18:52 treadmill desk yesterday I went to a
18:54 friend's office and he had a treadmill
18:55 desk and I made fun of him for 11
18:57 minutes and then I went oh yeah no that
18:59 does make sense it makes if you're going
19:01 to put in the hours of writing something
19:04 but I can't imagine this while walking I
19:06 don't know can you yeah I don't know I
19:08 think you would train you would train
19:11 yourself to do it I think yeah I don't
19:13 know I'm a terrible multitasker so I
19:15 couldn't imagine myself doing it I can't
19:17 I think the treadmill desk is really
19:18 when you're on the phone right I don't
19:20 think it's necessarily for the writing
19:23 right in his office there it's just so
19:25 unattractive I just couldn't I just
19:28 don't want one in the house that's how I
19:30 from a standpoint it's yeah yeah M how
19:33 about a massage chair treadmill dis Dr
19:35 combo then you just might as well I have
19:37 seen that Relax The Back has a massage
19:39 chair that has like a a desk arm that
19:41 comes out yeah because this is easy to
19:44 do also I can't yeah I've tried that
19:45 that does not working either I can't
19:49 even read no when I'm in the damn yeah
19:51 um same discussion in Somalia right now um
19:53 um weirdly
20:00 uh this one more question about Dad okay
20:02 that I really really loved you once said
20:04 of him when my dad and stepmom would go
20:06 to their lake house in a small modest
20:09 Town he'd say don't wash the car we
20:11 don't want to look fancy right that's
20:14 the greatest thing ever well that also
20:20 is is a um a very sort of that that's so
20:22 my dad like my dad doesn't want anybody
20:26 else to feel bad about anything you know
20:29 to the degree that from doing especially
20:32 yes that somehow his nice car is would
20:35 make the other residents of this town
20:37 you know feel bad like he wants to be a
20:39 a local and this is a place that the
20:41 family's been going for a long time and
20:42 and um his dad actually used to have a
20:45 summer camp on this lake so it is a
20:46 place they the family's been coming they
20:49 love it there but his dad owned or R ran
20:51 a summer his dad was an athletic
20:52 director like a high school coach and
20:54 then in the Summers would run this this
20:56 camp and all the his my dad and his
20:58 brothers worked at the camp and and then
20:59 eventually the camp was sold but we
21:01 still have this like little cabin on on
21:04 this Lake and so it's just a meaningful
21:07 place but the town has struggled over
21:09 the years um couple of factories went
21:13 out of business and so anyway um wow
21:15 yeah my my dad doesn't want anybody to
21:18 feel too bad no so yeah he keeps the car
21:19 dirty that's [Laughter]
21:20 [Laughter]
21:25 pretty I love that to death um you also
21:26 once said there are things that I'm good
21:28 at and there are things that are just
21:31 not for me I'm not going to play a
21:36 cop and that's okay just stop hold it if
21:39 I may I'll shoot I would like to test
21:41 that theory I have two pages that I've
21:43 printed out I'm so bad at it from the
21:44 screenplay that I'm going to direct
21:48 hopefully spring early sum wow okay yep
21:50 and um I've circled your part okay good
21:52 Yep this is a my name is Franklin all
21:54 right I mean okay no don't tell Oh no
21:56 you're Franklin you're Franklin I'm
21:58 Franklin even wait I'm Larry this is a cold
21:59 cold
22:02 well that's my dad's name that doesn't
22:05 even hey you are the uh first female
22:08 character in a film named Larry okay and
22:11 um no this is literally two pages it's a
22:13 cold I'll let you go through it once
22:14 I'll let you read through it once to
22:17 yourself why it's fine I'll do it let's
22:19 just do it yeah okay interior Franklin's
22:21 office late night at his desk Franklin's
22:22 overworked eyes are illuminated by the
22:24 glow from his computer music slowly
22:26 builds as he leans forward eyes widening
22:29 camera inches towards him ha in music
22:31 inches up
22:34 Franklin Jesus Larry wow what do you
22:37 want sorry you little
22:40 girl come on I'm working what what is it
22:43 I can't even do
22:45 it just thought you might want to know
22:46 that there's somebody over in County
22:48 lockup who's been asking to talk to you
22:51 was that a young woman like the 50s what
22:54 uh no I can't you know what let's judge
22:56 it when you're
22:58 okay judge it while you're doing it uh
23:00 no actually the purpose described to me
23:02 as a stupid Rich prick now maybe it's
23:03 just me but prick is usually applied to
23:06 the male of the species a name did you
23:07 get a name hey hey don't bite my head
23:09 off cuz you just pissed yourself his
23:11 name is Pitman all right happy now I
23:16 just might be now if I may I uh I have
23:18 notes but we're not in trouble here
23:21 we're not in a bad area no it's terrible
23:24 I I it's so bad and I also can't be
23:26 doctors I tried I I got offered this
23:29 doctor show and for a minute like year a
23:31 couple years ago and I was like uh come
23:33 on guys yeah I could be a very
23:35 convincing I mean house is a kind of
23:37 wacky doctor like I can do it and I sat
23:39 down and like a group of friends trying
23:42 my very best at the table and everyone
23:43 was like everyone was like
23:48 no no don't do that no no um so is it
23:50 just a person of
23:55 authority uh it is language that is is
24:00 uh informational like I I I view most
24:03 things through a somewhat humorous lens
24:04 and I mean Exposition is always a [ __ ]
24:08 to have to say yes but I I think it's
24:10 living in a humorless world that would
24:14 be very difficult cuz it's just as it is
24:17 I'm always like Mug What's the de like I
24:24 like sincerely I I had this wonderful
24:26 acting teacher wi hanman in New York
24:29 and he would give us different kinds of
24:34 material and his when he his his basic
24:36 kind of teaching was you have to have a
24:38 feel for something what whatever that is
24:42 the language the emotion the story the
24:45 person it's you know you you and it is
24:48 not a failing as an actor to not have a
24:49 feel for something it's just not for you
24:51 so that's kind of where that thing came
24:54 from it's was a kind of a freeing idea
24:58 that that you know yes my initial dream
24:59 was to be part of this resident company
25:02 we had in DC The Arena Stage and we' go
25:04 see anything they did and it was kind of
25:07 this fascinating you'd see a guy play
25:09 you know very different characters over
25:12 time and that's what I thought I wanted
25:14 to do and to some degree I've gotten to
25:17 play a range but yeah just when it comes
25:19 to certain it's just certain worlds I
25:20 don't want to live in too I don't want
25:23 to live in Kelly calls you're going to
25:26 be the lead Pro prosecutor in a new show
25:28 you get the script and you're like oh no
25:30 well but David Kelly stuff to me has
25:32 such a good sense of humor and those
25:34 those are very full people I think I
25:36 mean more the straightup world of like
25:39 um you know uh like a law and order or
25:41 something which is also a fat wonderful
25:43 fantastic show I just think I'd be
25:44 terrible on
25:46 it let's go to the
25:49 clip sck wolf on the
25:53 line D that's right um we have another
25:55 segment on the
25:58 show uh first but before we get you know
26:00 what I do want to talk about the book so
26:03 so a s a collection of essays they
26:05 differ from short stories because
26:08 they're non-fiction right
26:16 uh tell me the process cuz you you had a
26:21 novel come out in 2014 MH that is a a
26:23 fiction a story that um you drew a
26:26 little bit because it's about an actress
26:29 and then according to the research it's
26:32 mostly fictionalized and just made up as
26:35 much as people wanted to insist that
26:39 you've shared so much of your salad days
26:43 um so the turn to nonfiction becomes a
26:46 completely different yeah well it's it
26:49 was a combination of
26:53 um I started having I I don't I just
26:56 started having ideas for the the the
26:59 novel first CA came came from uh being
27:02 approached to do a memoir or to do sort
27:04 of a Mindy kingy kind of you know book
27:06 of funny essays and at that time I just
27:09 felt I didn't want to do that I didn't
27:12 want to I didn't know sort of how to
27:15 calibrate that in terms of revealing my
27:17 personal life I don't I never really
27:20 like to do that very much and and so
27:23 instead I kind of found myself telling a
27:25 story that could I could feel objective
27:30 about um but by the time we it was sort
27:32 of in the air that Gilmore Girls might
27:34 come back and I thought for whatever
27:36 reason I just thought okay well the book
27:39 ends of doing a show many years ago and
27:40 then getting to come back and do it
27:44 again that to me gave kind of a reason
27:47 for a book of essays and kind of a
27:49 structure it's there's only two essays
27:50 that are about Gilmore Girls the whole
27:53 book isn't about that but that to me was
27:57 sort of an interesting framework and um and
27:58 and
28:01 so but the book was going to happen no
28:03 matter if the show was happening or not
28:05 but then once the show was happening
28:07 they they thought oh great you know
28:09 we'll have the book come out so suddenly
28:11 the book I had you know pitched was due
28:13 in like eight months and then Gil girls
28:14 was originally supposed to come out in
28:16 January and then they moved it up to
28:18 Christmas and I was like okay one less
28:20 month to write the book and then they
28:23 moved it up to Thanksgiving so I mean
28:25 there are pictures of me like talk about
28:27 treadmill desk like anything was a desk
28:29 you know just like I had my laptop and
28:31 I'd like shove it under the couch but
28:33 they're like and rolling and I was like
28:37 and writing and like it was an insane
28:41 um timeline to complete but there it is
28:44 so you're trying a new format to begin
28:47 with then the time you have to do it in
28:49 start shrinking and continues to shrink
28:53 at what point was uh there any enjoyment
28:56 for you well I loved writing this I have
28:59 to say it was uh first of all I was
29:00 working with the same editor who I now
29:03 had a Shand with and the kind of
29:07 bite-sized chunks of writing one story
29:10 you know if you will and and then kind
29:12 of being like okay I can put that away
29:14 for a minute and work on another one it
29:17 just had a an easier structure you know
29:19 I didn't have to worry about necessarily
29:22 the whole um all at once and I just had
29:26 titles of things I wanted to write about
29:29 um for example judge not lest ye be a
29:32 judge on Project Runway which was which
29:35 was which was my experience my traumatic
29:38 experience realizing too late in as I'm
29:40 that I did not like being a judge of
29:43 anything and that I was a complete fraud
29:46 as a fashion expert of any kind and that
29:49 and and I just you know was one of those
29:51 life experiences
29:54 of a supposedly fun thing I'll never do
29:57 again you know and um so you were a fan
30:00 of the show giant fan of the show and
30:02 and Al I thought it might be a relatable
30:05 idea which is you think you want to do
30:07 something because you enjoy it careful
30:09 what you wish you enjoy watching it and
30:11 then you in the doing of it I thought oh
30:14 no I I what I like is being home and on
30:17 my couch in my like sweatpants watching
30:19 this happen you know I didn't I just
30:22 realized I didn't like I didn't have the
30:26 taste for um you know it looks like you
30:28 slipped on a banana peel and you know
30:30 hurt your head or whatever what like
30:32 that would be a judgment of a piece of
30:35 fashion but like I just got real like
30:36 and you know those are some of the
30:39 scariest moments if I will when
30:41 you're when you when you've made the
30:43 decision you know this this might be fun
30:45 yes this will be good and then you're in
30:48 the middle of it yes cut two and you're
30:50 there thinking how did it not cross my
30:53 mind how horrible this would be and I've
30:56 had that lesson so many times actually
30:58 and and I feel in Show Business there
31:01 are so many things you know you get
31:05 asked to do these odd things that that
31:08 are somewhere between working as an
31:09 actor and like going to an Oscar party
31:11 or whatever there's like this wide range
31:13 of and even going to the parties you
31:16 think are going to be fun yeah I don't
31:19 know it's you know so many things most
31:22 of show business is anticlimactic that's
31:25 right almost all of it other than the
31:29 creating and other than I think the
31:34 initial uh incredible um glow of kind
31:38 of having a dream as a kid come true you
31:41 know in in any capacity but I had that
31:44 as much having three lines on a sitcom
31:46 you know
31:50 as you know as I do being the lead of
31:52 something and and being the lead of
31:53 something comes with a lot more
31:55 responsibility so yeah the the kind of
31:59 glow I keep thinking of of of like I
32:01 dreamed of doing this and now I get to
32:02 do it is
32:04 incredible but but how many times a day
32:06 can you say that well also yeah and the
32:08 Glam part of you know I remember going
32:12 to some I was nominated for and and I
32:15 had like just broken up with somebody my
32:16 whoever was in the car with me
32:18 representative was like screaming into
32:20 the phone about another client and I and
32:23 I was just like you know got out of the
32:25 limo and I thought like people are
32:27 looking at this and think and you know
32:28 think like
32:30 I'm she's got it all and I was like I
32:33 have literally nothing like you know my
32:35 dress hurts and like my I feel weird and
32:38 you know so but it takes I guess maybe
32:41 it's a luxury of getting there to
32:44 realize all the external stuff is not
32:46 the fun part the fun part like you said
32:49 is just the playing you know just the
32:52 being uh creative and and and you could
32:54 get paid nothing or a million dollars
32:56 for that it's the same feeling you know
32:59 the same when did the idea that turned
33:03 to writing and that huge switch start to
33:05 formulate a little bit and I read talk
33:06 about this in the book a little bit it
33:09 just came from having the space I had
33:12 been on 11 for many many years just
33:15 working working working working and and
33:19 kind of had a moment one day in my
33:21 Parenthood trailer where I thought I
33:23 don't there's nothing like breathing
33:27 down my neck right now I I have some
33:32 free time and kind of space and
33:35 and and so it just kind of came to me
33:38 you know the the novel started with kind
33:41 of a couple pages I you know I was
33:44 connecting to in that
33:47 moment that person who dreamed of
33:49 sitting in a trailer one day you know
33:53 and and and what happened to
33:56 her she's gone
34:00 um um but it was kind of the I thought
34:02 how what what was I thinking you know
34:04 what I mean I thought like who how dare
34:07 I think like I there's no show business
34:09 in my family there's no actors there's
34:11 no my mom kind of wanted to be a singer
34:12 for a while and there was a little bit
34:15 of that kind of interest and and talent
34:17 you know she was really a talented
34:20 singer but um what her career was she
34:22 really didn't it didn't happen for her
34:26 and and um yeah so it was connecting
34:28 with that kind of
34:31 you know uh person and and that's sort
34:34 of where that which is me but it's a
34:36 different you know me of long AG ago but
34:38 that's where the writing started and and
34:41 then I just found that I really liked it and
34:42 and
34:45 um and I learned a lot as I went along
34:48 yeah um we have a segment on the show
34:50 called famous questions uhoh which was
34:53 not the case when you were here last
34:55 certain people in my household were
34:58 laughing to themselves this morning
35:00 yes they were because in this case it
35:02 was in fact uh your so-called better
35:05 half yes uh I don't think he even has
35:07 the gumption to call himself that
35:14 um warm and funny charming and smart
35:17 Diane Keaton said of your book in The
35:21 New York Times that just popped up on a
35:23 page you really did get ridiculously
35:25 wonderful reviews from people who you
35:29 must admire well right yes and a charmer
35:32 of her first novel W Street Journal
35:35 thoroughly you know hello yes it was
35:37 very nice none of that matters none of
35:41 that matters but I will say um Diane
35:43 Keaton in particular who whose daughter
35:47 I played in a movie um just said to me
35:51 one day I was telling her some story of
35:53 something and she said you should write
35:56 a book and and and just the permission
36:00 of someone like that saying it literally
36:02 literally put it in my mind in a way it
36:04 had not existed before and I always
36:08 think about that in terms of um how what
36:11 a tiny line there is you know
36:14 between if she'd never said that right I
36:15 don't know that I would have allowed the
36:17 possibility and how powerful that is and
36:18 also how
36:22 we don't give ourselves permission to do
36:24 like I wouldn't have thought of it
36:26 because Diane Keon said it I was like
36:28 yeah I could do that she's talking
36:31 exactly and so I don't know a very
36:37 unique affirmation uh from a Menor or or hero
36:39 hero
36:41 um neither of those words would be
36:43 attributed to Peter
36:46 ker uh back to your better question is
36:48 who's who who has a a series of
36:50 questions let's start with the first one oh
36:51 oh
36:53 boy uh you have to be stuck in an
36:56 elevator for 3 hours
36:59 god with
37:01 either Barack
37:06 Obama Larry David or George
37:10 Clooney wow um potentially getting me in
37:12 trouble with my current employer Larry
37:14 David but I have spent a lot of time
37:16 with Larry recently so so it's enough
37:20 already it's no it's just I I I don't
37:22 have we've T we I spent a lot of time
37:24 with Larry
37:27 recently so I view this elevator St
37:30 stuckage what anyone as
37:34 a elevator ent trapment ent and and good
37:36 alliteration as an opportunity that's
37:38 why you have a head writer for show and
37:41 I um personally at another time might
37:44 have chosen George cloney who I also
37:45 know a little bit who's very smart and
37:48 Charming but I am so freaked out by
37:50 what's happening in our country right
37:52 now I would love a good three hours with
37:57 Barack Obama just to and tell me it's
37:58 going to be okay yeah I'm sorry we're
38:00 out of time for the other questions but
38:02 that really was nice the way you broke
38:05 that down all three yeah you wouldn't
38:07 just give an answer no you had to you
38:08 had to let the others down give a nice
38:11 short yeah as if
38:14 like crying George get over it Let It
38:17 Go wife we brought on those Who Wants To
38:19 Be A Millionaire producers walk us
38:22 through your logic yeah he's made this
38:25 next question much easier for okay uh
38:27 you could only you have to give up one
38:29 of these for the rest of your life bags
38:31 boots or blue jeans let's just blow that
38:33 one off that's just that's just funny
38:35 you don't have to answer that we have a
38:37 joke in our house which is you can never
38:39 have too many um blue jeans it's not a
38:42 great joke but uh it's uh you can never
38:45 have too many boots or jackets because
38:47 the two of us are have too many boots or and
38:53 jackets um you if you had to remove one
38:57 of these islands from the Earth
38:59 it's the most original question I had to
39:02 ask you which would be Japan Hawaii
39:06 Manhattan Ireland or Nantucket wow yes
39:07 everyone's pulling for nck but you go
39:11 ahead and Sho I have to remove of if you
39:14 had to remove let's discuss that
39:16 situation well because he picked all my
39:18 favorite places your phone rings yes
39:21 Lauren we didn't know who else Obama I'm
39:23 calling from an
39:25 elevator we need you to remove um he
39:27 picked your five favorite places Japan
39:29 Hawaii Manhattan Ireland and Nantucket I
39:31 got to go n Tucket sorry correct continue
39:33 continue okay
39:35 okay
39:38 um speaking the Peter KRA of it all you
39:41 guys met on the Parenthood no we met on
39:44 Caroline in the cityone also correct
39:46 Thompson thank you you became deeper
39:47 friends on the uh on the shooting of the
39:49 Parenthood television series friends
39:52 first very closer friends closer friends
39:56 and then one day no I would say friends
40:01 since Caroline yes and I knew him to be
40:03 be
40:07 a popular gentleman sure and you mean
40:10 among the ladies yes and and as a rule
40:13 that does not I'm not no thanks yeah
40:15 Jamie's the same way we're only together
40:18 because I'm not at all a chick magnet
40:23 that's not true oh um so the beauty of
40:24 when we were working together on
40:27 Parenthood was I had no it was didn't
40:30 occur to me no and not a possibility not
40:31 a possibility which is a wonderful
40:35 energy to uh start things because you
40:38 have like L literally no expectation and
40:39 he we went out for drinks one night and
40:42 he's never left that's basically what
40:45 happened so really if you had your way
40:48 he would have left that was a take away
40:50 for me it was a complete shot you know
40:52 it was just it was like a timing thing
40:53 guess I I wrote this down a bit of a
40:55 gamble though if the show lasts longer
40:57 than the relationship well if the
41:00 shooting of the series continues yes
41:04 right sorry my throat we've seen it Go
41:08 all kinds of ways and um and yeah it's a
41:10 it's always a gamble we didn't tell
41:12 anybody for a long time at work no you
41:16 didn't and uh and then when we felt like
41:19 we were okay then we told them that
41:22 brother and sister were together in a
41:24 and everyone applauded everyone in a
41:27 very strange unfortunate way um let's
41:29 take this moment to thank our sponsor
41:33 for today's show and we've done that
41:37 okay um sponsor ambient noise when did
41:39 you first read the life-changing magic
41:42 of tidying up secondary title the
41:44 Chinese art of decluttering Japanese art
41:47 yeah I prefer the Chinese I understand
41:51 art of decluttering and organizing I
41:54 read it a couple summers ago I I read it
41:56 when it came out whichever you clutter
41:59 heavy prior to that no but first of all
42:01 my mom grew up in Japan I'm obsessed
42:05 with Japan I love Japan and there's the
42:09 the um it's not a senate hearing by the
42:13 way I would never hurt Japan and um and
42:16 I don't know I I think I'm actually
42:19 fairly cutree I just really liked the
42:24 idea of less and um and
42:27 especially you get to an age where
42:29 I can't buy Peter another Ralph Lauren
42:32 shirt like he doesn't you know like you
42:35 don't need any any kind of you're full
42:39 up of stuff you know which is why um I
42:41 WR about this too which is why I'm out
42:44 of the key demo because I have my car
42:45 I'm not getting a new one I have had it
42:47 for a long time you know what I mean
42:49 like it there's when you're young and I
42:51 first maybe getting settled and you're
42:55 you need a a you know a blender and a
42:57 coffee maker and you know certain stuff
42:59 and like we don't I don't like clutter
43:01 on the countertop I don't like clutter
43:02 I'm going to tell you that right now I'm
43:06 I'm going to agree with you and um so
43:09 yeah it's just kind of the idea of can
43:11 can someone turn you on to this do with
43:12 a little less
43:13 less
43:17 uh I don't know I don't know I don't
43:20 remember I think I was just drawn to I
43:22 judged the book by its cover weirdly
43:25 that is the correct answer I don't know
43:28 I don't know I think I was just drawn
43:32 too thank goodness is that the wonderful
43:34 background noise being is coming through
43:36 for you guys fortunately that's terrific
43:38 what is it it's like a car
43:40 idling I think it I think it's a
43:42 construction truck or something first I
43:44 thought it was some sort of music it's
43:47 closer closer that car has
43:49 passed that's what happens what does it
43:51 appear to be
43:55 keny robots robots again the correct
43:57 answer we are being ATT
44:01 by robots uh we'll keep you a prize as
44:03 the show continues
44:04 continues
44:12 uh this editor you're working with on the
44:13 the
44:17 book you write how many essays to begin
44:20 with is there a a number you're trying
44:23 to get to there's
44:28 a page count that people want yes when
44:32 you're trying to get ask them for money
44:37 uh uh meaning you know if the publisher
44:39 wants to charge a certain amount of
44:41 money there is a a sort of page count
44:44 attached to that um it's in the three to
44:48 400s of pages no well uh I I believe
44:51 contractually for for instance the novel
44:54 was 990,000 Words which ends up being
44:56 about almost 300 page I could never
44:58 figure out what EX 90,000 words doesn't
45:00 sound intimidating at all that's right
45:03 oh God believe me you but you can't look
45:05 at it that way of course it's it's just
45:07 that's that's about the see I would only
45:09 look at it that one as I'm typing I
45:11 would say
45:14 89,900 and you have that word count you
45:18 know on the screen if you're using the
45:21 thing I use and um and that is daunting
45:22 I used
45:25 to uh do kind of plan a day of work
45:28 according to word count I try to get to
45:29 a thousand words or 10 pages or whatever
45:31 it is I've just found that's not helpful
45:35 no um if I just assign myself hours of
45:39 the day and release the uh number thing
45:41 I actually end up getting more done and
45:43 how much coffee do you drink on average
45:44 each day I Dr there just a lot of coffee
45:47 anyway but there are some days where I
45:50 just go it's it's like those long actor
45:54 days where I just 12 yeah it's really
45:57 the most miserable thing
46:00 I um it has often been my most happy
46:04 place to to be lost in the story and the
46:06 characters and just writing page after
46:08 page uh not caring about the outside
46:10 world not not even really aware of the
46:13 outside world yeah well you I think you
46:16 go you get into a a a concentration kind
46:20 of flow and while it is very solitary
46:22 this sounds insane but I you know there
46:25 there's a lot of people on the page who
46:27 are hopefully in some way speaking to
46:28 you helping you know it's the thing you
46:30 said about not knowing the ending
46:32 sometimes you're having a conversation
46:35 with uh you know your characters and
46:37 your situation and sometimes they tell
46:39 you where you're going and I just find
46:42 that so fascinating there the feeling of
46:44 where is this coming from yeah sometimes
46:46 well and that was the fun for me
46:48 especially when I first started writing
46:51 an a novel people would ask me about the
46:54 the main character who was a reflection
46:57 of a time in my life but it was just as
47:00 fun to me to play you know her elderly
47:03 agent and the dad and the boyfriend you
47:05 know it's like you got to play kind of
47:08 get in in the mind of all the people
47:09 were you good right away at different
47:12 voice different uh uh behavior and
47:13 personalities that's one of the more
47:16 difficult things yeah no I don't think I
47:17 was good right away at any of it I do
47:21 think I accidentally or
47:23 fortunately given the two TV shows I did
47:27 pretty much back to back had and and and
47:31 had a a writing School of a kind because
47:34 I know what the feeling is of performing
47:36 a writing and and dialogue that feels
47:40 really organic and feels fun or good or
47:42 strong or smart you know and and of all
47:44 those years of looking at the structure
47:47 of of scripts and storytelling and I
47:49 think it just kind of got in there yeah
47:50 there's no question you read enough bad
47:52 scripts yeah you start to see some
47:55 things you'd like to avoid yes um if we
47:57 don't talk about the return of gold
48:00 girls we uh Gilmore Girls Golden
48:03 Girls why is everyone laughing I want to
48:04 talk about the return of Golden Girls
48:07 did you not hear about this wait is are
48:10 they really yes no all new cast no they
48:12 just bringing the show back no no no I
48:14 just trying to
48:17 cover but see how I was upset because
48:20 that's I mean somebody will whereas
48:22 Gilmore Girls you have to bring back cuz
48:25 we need to make some fixes uh what is
48:27 this like the phone rings the agent
48:29 saying they want to bring the show back
48:34 after what 10 years it was years um well
48:36 we'd had this conversation it's the
48:37 conversation I'd had more than any other
48:40 conversation both with people I run into
48:44 in the airport uh TV critics and you
48:46 know fans of of the show and and with
48:50 the creator of the show um but it
48:53 started about a year and a half before
48:54 we actually started filming which was
48:58 this time last year but the year we'
49:00 gone to a festival in Texas the Austin
49:03 TV festival and um you could just feel
49:06 there was like a you know this show has
49:09 its super fans which who are fantastic
49:11 and and know the show so well but you
49:13 could just kind of feel it in a new way
49:15 I don't know if enough time had gone by
49:20 that now there's a new generation or you
49:22 know the moms who' grown up with it are
49:24 watching with their kids you know I
49:26 don't know I think also it's a
49:29 comforting and kind of nostalgic place
49:33 to go and TV had gone so like they're
49:35 zombies they're vampires they you know
49:38 gone be so dismissive of the
49:42 undead but I you know it just had gotten
49:44 so much like bigger and louder and you
49:46 know more violent and I think there was
49:50 sort of a a a Nostalgia for for a
49:53 simpler you know town that has like one
49:54 traffic light and stuff so the
49:56 conversations were endless and had gone
49:58 on forever so the final call which is
50:00 okay we're actually doing it it was like
50:02 4 days before we supposed to start
50:05 shooting I mean up until the last minute
50:07 there were still people who were
50:10 not the the the the deal making process
50:16 was quite a an ordeal um it was just it
50:17 was just so many people it's a cast of
50:20 150 people you know and and um can I be
50:22 honest that's too many I it's a lot it's
50:24 like a giant it's like a Busby Berkley
50:27 music One traffic light 15 I know in the
50:29 cast yeah scripts like so everyone in
50:31 town was on the show everyone in town
50:32 was on the show right and I think it's
50:34 important you know if you bring a show
50:36 back like that that you know you bring
50:41 all the town's people back so we did and
50:44 uh okay so uh there's a couple things we
50:46 do wrapping this up first of all I can't believe
50:49 believe
50:53 you uh yeah don't keep it to
50:55 yourself I'm fighting it why I'm
51:01 I moved idah home and stole your
51:05 neighbor's barbecue oh no to got that
51:09 out uh uh okay so there's there's three
51:11 questions for the show that are this is
51:13 worth a thousand points oh yeah
51:18 redeemable at never you mind kind of
51:21 never you mind Cafe uh-huh ready yeah
51:24 caramelized onions or onion
51:27 rings caramelized is is that correct it
51:30 is okay second question
51:35 Keith sure also correct final question
51:38 cauliflower or Carl Weathers I don't
51:39 know who Carl Weathers is is he a
51:42 football player sure I don't like I
51:44 don't like cauliflower youl anything
51:46 that's not cauliflower so you didn't see
51:48 the Rockies the rocky
51:52 films the Sylvester Stallone Sylvester
51:54 Stallone I love Sylvester Stallone
51:55 golden girl is coming back I don't know
51:59 if you heard that yeah I'm playing uh
52:06 name uh not blanch no um no it's Dorothy
52:09 borck Dorothy's borck uh but who's the
52:12 wonderful actress who plays her B Arthur
52:15 people are going to be so mad at me yeah
52:16 yeah they are honestly our fans will be
52:17 more angry that you don't know Carl
52:20 Weathers really who is that was H Creed
52:23 in the Rocky films
52:26 okay all right we're no close play
52:30 himself on Arrested Development yes okay
52:34 um but I chose him over cough you did
52:37 Easy Choice how mad could he be you
52:39 chose him over something that you don't
52:42 like yeah uh that is your camera there
52:45 uh we we're just going to need one last
52:47 throw at the Larry King game do you
52:48 remember the Larry King game so much fun
52:51 to play yeah so the three breakdown
52:54 rules are uh need a bad Larry King don't
52:56 want a good one a bad Larry King makes
52:58 me laugh so so you can't lose there oh
53:01 boy do remember this yeah just do
53:03 anything right and then as Larry uh you
53:04 look down the barrel that camera and you
53:06 share something about Larry that nobody
53:09 needs to know yeah that was that was
53:11 Larry's favorite thing in life and then
53:13 you go to the phones and if the name of
53:14 the city is funny sounding it's not
53:15 going to hurt anyone someplace near
53:17 Nantucket I
53:20 suppose uh there it is okay um use
53:23 glasses if you'd like okay sure
53:27 um I'm Larry King sure uh
53:30 and uh I need a pedicure Ron cona you're
53:33 up next bring it at home bing bang
53:37 Zoom wow I gu of all the bad Larry Kings
53:40 that's my favorite B it was just jewy enough
53:42 enough
53:45 perfect there it is uh get yourself a
53:47 copy won't you still available in all
53:49 forms did you record the audio version
53:53 she did chose me to play myself talking
53:54 as fast as I can is the name of the
53:56 collection of ESS please check it out
53:59 and and um the uh the novel as well
54:01 titled someday someday maybe also true
54:04 MH um thank you so much thank you for
54:08 returning to to the show and um you know
54:10 don't worry about the car weathers thing
54:13 I am worried about it now obviously I'll
54:15 never forget him
54:17 again thank you very much okay thank you
54:18 would you mind staying there
54:19 uncomfortably while I wrap things up for
54:21 the folks at home and everybody else
54:23 fine okay your Oscar pick by the way for best
54:24 best
54:28 picture I want to Go hidden figures sure
54:30 and a personal favorite yeah absolutely
54:33 the underdog yeah all right yeah I also
54:36 haven't seen La La Land so I don't know
54:38 well I'm still I'm still hoping for
54:40 moonlight man are you oh Moonlight wow
54:44 Moonlight boy I either way so when it
54:47 comes to the actual voting we should not
54:49 send you I'm very suggest you about oh
54:53 yeah that one yeah uh that's your show
54:56 for today I want to thank Jamie and
54:59 Sammy as always uh Dr Evil Kenny Chen on
55:03 the floor Samantha Ward with the makeup
55:05 trying to make some of us look better up
55:06 in The Crows Nest we got the Michael
55:08 dooman and the the Jason
55:11 McIntyre Luke Allen everyone's favorite
55:15 new and turn overqualified underpaid
55:17 Brian will we ever hear from Brian again
55:18 yeah oh great you know what just leave
55:20 it at
55:23 yeah I don't want any of the details uh
55:26 Cory Levan on post that's it for this one
55:27 one
55:29 uh congratulations to all the Oscar
55:31 winners and for those of you who were merely
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