0:05 My next guest is Noah Sebastian from Bad
0:07 Omens, and it's always a pleasure to see
0:09 you. How are you holding up? You've had
0:11 a relatively crazy time these days.
0:13 >> Yeah, I'm I'm doing pretty good
0:14 actually. This this is one of the most
0:16 fun tours we've done so far because
0:18 we're uh we actually have some pretty
0:20 good friends of ours on this tour in the
0:21 band Era, who we've known for a long
0:23 time. Um I actually live with Jesse
0:26 Cash, the guitarist, as well. Um, and
0:29 yeah, just sometimes tours take a little
0:30 while to get used to each other, but
0:31 everyone already knows each other and is
0:33 good friends and and Vin Animate knows
0:35 Arrow really well, so there's already
0:37 just like a super nice comfortability
0:39 with everyone. So, the tour just kicked
0:41 off with great vibes.
0:43 >> The obvious question these days would
0:46 be, why do you think the band is doing
0:49 so well and resonating so strongly,
0:51 particularly live? You guys certainly
0:53 know how to play, but there seems to be
0:56 a fervor out there right now that uh I I
0:57 wonder if you understand it or can
0:59 explain it.
1:02 >> It's It's a lot of things, I think,
1:03 honestly. Like I I feel like I'm always
1:06 trying to dissect like just the every
1:09 aspect of the band and like the the
1:11 culture surrounding our band now, which
1:12 is crazy that it feels like we even have
1:14 our own like little culture and network
1:17 and online community. Um, but it kind of
1:19 feels like like the perfect storm, you
1:21 know, like we put out a really a really
1:23 great album and like we worked very hard
1:25 on like the marketing aspect and the
1:27 visuals and everything like that. And
1:29 and then on top of that, we put a ton of
1:31 work and a ton of money as well into our
1:33 live show to make it like very exciting
1:35 and make the shows fun and try to feel
1:38 different. Um, and yeah, we all just try
1:40 really hard at everything we do. like my
1:42 voice alone like I I've like kind of
1:45 tried to turn my body into like an
1:47 athlete almost like I'm I'm exercising
1:50 all the time. Not cuz it's fun, you
1:52 know, but because because I found out
1:54 like it really improved my performance
1:56 live a couple years ago when I when I
1:57 started getting more into fitness and
1:59 stuff and like jiu-jitsu and stuff like
2:02 that. And um yeah, it just feels like
2:03 just everything's just kind of falling
2:05 into place correctly and we're all like
2:08 making the right moves and like also
2:09 we're just very professional as well
2:11 which I think helps a lot. Like we are
2:14 probably the most boring band on tour
2:15 but it it helps because everyone wakes
2:18 up and is in a good mood every morning
2:19 and you know sleeps well and everything.
2:21 So yeah, I think it's just a combination
2:23 of hard work,
2:26 like great music, and you know, a great
2:28 support system both from the band and
2:31 our team and from our fan base.
2:33 >> You strike me as someone who might be an overinker.
2:36 overinker.
2:38 >> Absolutely. Yeah. I uh that's kind of
2:40 like one of my strengths and weaknesses
2:42 is like too much attention to detail and
2:45 I feel like I'm just like I kind of feel
2:47 like an architect sometimes when it
2:48 comes to the band cuz I'm just like so
2:50 hands-on with so much and it's like it's
2:52 it's growing to a point that I can't be
2:54 like that with everything anymore. And
2:56 that's like something I'm I think I'm
2:58 currently struggling with letting go of
3:00 is like letting go of some
3:01 responsibility and just like the need to
3:03 like nitpick everything and just trust
3:06 the people that are doing those jobs as
3:09 like their main job. And uh yeah, it's
3:10 also made the touring experience better
3:12 like trying to learn how to pass some of
3:13 that stuff off and not just overthink
3:15 everything. But you're right, that's a
3:17 very astute observation.
3:20 How then do you deal with folks who are
3:22 doing things that you used to handle
3:24 yourselves when the band was much
3:26 smaller? And I would think there's, you
3:28 know, the tour production and there's
3:30 artwork for t-shirt. I mean, there's a
3:32 million things for a band. Uh, how do
3:35 you find a happy medium to giving some
3:38 direction but not being uh, you know, on
3:40 the phone 24/7 trying to direct?
3:44 Um, I think I think the big part of it
3:46 is just finding people that we really
3:48 trust and like working with consistently
3:51 and and if if they're not people that we
3:52 know very well personally, it's someone
3:55 that people we do trust can vouch for,
3:56 you know, when it comes to like merch
3:58 printing and and merch designs and tour
4:01 production, all that stuff. like between
4:03 me and our tour manager and and uh our
4:05 buddy Davis who is basically the band's
4:06 creative director when it comes to our
4:09 online merch store. uh the three of us
4:12 plus management really handle all that
4:13 stuff and like are good at bouncing it
4:15 around with each other and and now
4:16 thankfully it's at a point where they
4:18 can just like text me like you know
4:20 three versions of a mockup or something
4:22 and I can be like let's do this one and
4:23 then we'll talk about it and text and
4:25 it's like easy and it's done versus like
4:27 you know having to schedule a Zoom or
4:29 something like it's just it's in really
4:31 good hands right now which is great
4:33 because not only are they talented
4:34 people that we you know work with but
4:37 they're like we're all good friends so
4:40 it's a fun work environment as well.
4:42 >> Do you remember your first band t-shirt?
4:44 And and actually make it a two-parter.
4:45 Do you remember the first band t-shirt
4:47 you ever got of somebody else? And do
4:50 you remember the first t-shirt ever for
4:52 your own music?
4:55 >> I think the first band shirt I ever had
4:57 was Seosen. I can't remember. It was
4:59 either Seosen or Red Jumpsuit Apparatus.
5:02 I had this like way too small yellow red
5:04 jumpsuit apparatus shirt from from Hot
5:06 Topic that I remember to this day when I
5:10 was like 13, I think. Um, and then our
5:13 first shirt, again, it's it's it's crazy
5:15 how full circle it is, but the ver the
5:17 the guy Davis I was just talking about
5:19 that does all our merch designs with us,
5:21 um, he designed our very first shirt
5:22 back in like Richmond before we were
5:24 ever in like a band or played a show.
5:26 And for some reason, I was like, we need
5:27 merch even though we don't even have
5:30 fans or music online.
5:32 And uh I think Nick's Nick's sister,
5:34 Nick, our bass player, his sister still
5:35 has that shirt to this day. It was
5:37 before our band name was even Bad Omens
5:40 and it was called Man Versus Self. Um,
5:42 so it's is we always talk about that all
5:43 the time whenever like we have like a a
5:45 team meeting or lunch or something and
5:47 we talk about how like Davis made the
5:48 first shirt ever. And I don't know, it's
5:50 really cool how it's just it's kind of
5:52 grown from such a like grassroots kind
5:56 of uh, you know, start and into such a
5:58 huge thing and that it's still like
6:00 managed to remain in the family so to
6:02 speak, you know.
6:04 Do you still get excited when you see a
6:07 new t-shirt design or when you go past
6:09 the the merch stand at soundcheck and
6:12 there's all this cool stuff? Because I
6:14 know it's a thrill early on, but it can
6:16 sometimes become same old same old for
6:19 for some folks. Are you still kind of
6:20 excited about things like that?
6:22 >> Oh, so excited. That's that's one of my
6:24 favorite favorite things. like um I mean
6:26 our merch store is like a huge staple at
6:28 this point in our band and there's like
6:29 jokes about like how it's compared to
6:32 the Hunger Games because it sells out
6:33 all the time
6:35 >> and like and you know we we like really
6:36 hype them up like we don't just drop
6:38 merch we'll like do like a teaser and
6:40 start like promoting it until like a day
6:43 and a time that it's going live. So
6:44 there's like a lot of anticipation with
6:46 it almost like dropping a song every
6:49 time we do merch. And um it's a lot of
6:50 fun because I I really love our designs.
6:52 I think we have really good designs and
6:53 that's why we work with the same people
6:57 all the time. And uh I I love like being
6:59 able to still be involved with that. And
7:00 and also not to mention I mean just the
7:03 financial aspect. I mean merch is like
7:05 the main income for bands these days
7:08 especially touring and uh you know you I
7:10 feel like you have to be involved and
7:12 invested in that part of your band to
7:14 like expand as a business and and and
7:16 grow as a business. So that's like one
7:18 thing I don't feel like any band should
7:20 neglect or just like kind of pawn off on
7:21 someone that's just trying to like
7:22 collect a paycheck. You know, it's
7:24 something you should put time and energy
7:25 in. And that's what we did with our
7:26 store. And that's why like, you know,
7:28 the merch drops sell out all the time.
7:30 And we're like actively trying to keep
7:31 up with how many how much demand there
7:33 is because every merch drop there's
7:34 hundreds if not thousands of like really
7:36 angry people that are like, I didn't I
7:38 had it in my cart and by the time I hit
7:40 checkout, it was gone. And like you
7:42 know, we we were trying to remedy that
7:44 at all times.
7:45 Is there anything that you would like to
7:47 have designed for the band that you
7:50 haven't been able to do yet? Decoder
7:51 rings or hovercraft? Are there anything
7:53 like really kind of out there that would
7:55 be super cool? That's just a little bit
7:56 difficult at this point.
7:58 >> Um, I know we were talking about like
8:01 custom katanas at one point like swords
8:04 like having like a laser engraved like
8:06 symbols on like a katana which seems
8:10 like very expensive and unnecessary. Um,
8:12 uh, slides is something I think that's
8:13 in production right now that we've never
8:15 released, but for summertime we want to
8:19 do, uh, Bad Omen's like beach slides.
8:21 Um, maybe like backpack accessories,
8:23 just stuff like that. Like we want to
8:25 branch out and and have like more
8:27 branded stuff that you can carry your
8:29 merch in or go to a show with that's
8:31 like still Bad Omen's branded that you
8:33 can buy merch and put in or I don't
8:35 know. Nothing nothing crazy besides the swords.
8:37 swords.
8:39 I would be curious to hear about shows
8:42 over in Europe, particularly in the UK
8:45 and maybe even specifically London
8:48 because I think the UK is a country that
8:51 um certainly has a bit of its music sort
8:54 of baked in into the DNA of your band.
8:55 So I I would think that's almost like a
8:58 pilgrimage for you to go there and play.
8:59 Tell me about reactions over there. Tell
9:01 me about touring over there. Tell me
9:03 about specific moments. Anything you can
9:07 remember. Yeah, Europe and the UK
9:10 especially was like way under the demand
9:11 because we were just there a few months ago.
9:12 ago.
9:15 >> And um I mean London for example just
9:16 because of like what options were
9:19 available for upgrades which were none
9:21 aside from like I don't know like a
9:22 arena or stadium or something. I can't
9:24 remember but like we had to play at the
9:26 dome three nights in a row which is like
9:28 a 600 cap I think instead of just
9:31 playing a 2,000 cap room or a 1500 cap
9:32 room. We played there three nights in a
9:34 row and from my understanding there was
9:36 still like a thousand people that wanted
9:38 a ticket. So
9:39 stuff like that happened throughout the
9:42 whole tour and now like whatever we do
9:43 next in Europe as far as the headliner
9:44 goes, we have to like I think we have to
9:46 be ambitious with the cap sizes to make
9:49 sure that we're getting everyone in the
9:50 room that wants to be there in every
9:52 city because it's it's it's like
9:53 releasing music. It's like you're
9:56 always, you know, behind what your
9:59 status like your your level will be at
10:00 that point when that happens, you know?
10:03 So like just pretend started having
10:04 radio success and like then the Tik Tok
10:06 thing after like all these tours were
10:09 booked. So it's you know especially with
10:11 the pandemic kind of still being fresh
10:13 off the end of the pandemic like the the
10:16 availability and stuff for rooms and and
10:18 upgrades is is much more limited than it
10:20 I feel like it used to be. So we're
10:22 constantly trying to like play catchup
10:24 with the band's growing success which is
10:26 like kind of just snowballing every day
10:28 while we're like trying to make plans in
10:29 the future. So now I think that's one
10:31 thing we're focusing on is trying to
10:32 like accommodate for where we think
10:35 we'll be when a plan we're making takes
10:37 place versus like where we currently
10:38 are. So if we think we're going to be
10:41 worth you know 500 to a,000 more tickets
10:44 in a city this time next year we're
10:46 going to try to book with that
10:48 anticipation versus like what can we
10:50 sell now because it's clear that like
10:51 the band is still growing every day and
10:53 getting new fans. So we need to like
10:55 have the foresight to accommodate for
10:57 that in the future.
10:59 Tell me a little bit if you would how it
11:02 feels on stage and maybe we can use
11:05 those gigs at the dome specifically
11:07 where you're playing a much smaller
11:10 place than you should and that sometimes
11:13 creates incredible energy sometimes even
11:15 a little bit too much energy and it can
11:17 seem a little can seem a little chaotic
11:19 on stage. Tell me what it's like from
11:21 your viewpoint for uh for situations
11:22 like that.
11:24 Uh, I've noticed it more and more,
11:26 especially on this tour, because the
11:28 support on this tour are two like pretty
11:30 heavy bands. Um, like we are we have
11:32 heavy moments and heavy songs, but we're
11:34 by no means like a death core band or
11:36 like a a mosh crowd kill like band, you know?
11:37 know?
11:40 >> And uh it's it's very interesting coming
11:42 from a background and a music scene
11:44 where like moshing and crowd surfing and
11:47 all that stuff is like such a deep
11:49 rooted part of like the culture. And now
11:52 with our band, I feel like we have we
11:54 have like a very split fan base now.
11:56 Like we have a whole different
11:58 generation of fans that are like really
12:00 into our music, especially from
12:02 platforms like Tik Tok and more like
12:05 internet based like I guess marketing.
12:08 And then we have like, you know, classic
12:09 metal core fans that have been familiar
12:12 with like the the metal core scene and
12:13 the mosh scene or whatever for a long
12:16 time and that come from those those like
12:20 backgrounds of like music scenes and
12:21 putting them in a room together
12:22 sometimes I definitely see like the
12:24 friction it creates because there's like
12:26 a pocket of people in the room that
12:28 aren't like aware of like those types of
12:30 shows and like how like the etiquette
12:32 and just how like crazy it can get with
12:34 like you know moshing and crowd surfing.
12:36 And then there's people that like are
12:38 fully aware of that that know like if I
12:40 don't want to be in that situation, I
12:41 should stand on the sides or in the
12:42 back. But like everyone wants to be at
12:45 the front. So it's like constantly like
12:48 I feel like I'm trying to like mitigate
12:50 having a crazy fun like exciting high
12:52 energy show with like people that are
12:55 like visibly uncomfortable and you know
12:56 I don't want anyone to be uncomfortable
12:57 with the show but at the same time it's
12:59 like you don't have to be at the front
13:01 you know like I feel like you can't you
13:03 can't always have both. if there's like
13:04 a crazy night where a bunch of people
13:05 are crowd surfing and you don't want to
13:07 lose your spot at the front, but you
13:08 also like don't want to like worry about
13:09 catching crowd surfers, like you kind of
13:11 have to pick one, you know, because I
13:13 can't I can't control everybody. That's
13:16 security's job. Um, so it's definitely,
13:18 like you said, in those small rooms, in
13:19 those small environments where we're
13:22 playing a venue that's probably too
13:24 small for us, it's definitely stressful
13:26 trying to like pay attention to my
13:28 performance while also like keeping an
13:29 eye on everyone and make sure everyone's
13:31 like safe and taking care of each other.
13:34 Um, and yeah, it's just it's I think
13:36 it's just everyone's I' I've I've like
13:37 seen a lot of people talk about how like
13:39 they come to Batam and shows and it's
13:40 like a different environment than
13:42 they're used to at like rock and metal
13:43 shows because it's just such a new type
13:45 of like fan base. And I think that's
13:47 awesome. Like that's kind of I've talked
13:49 about this in interviews before, but
13:50 that's kind of the point with what we're
13:52 doing and with this band is I want to
13:55 expand the horizons musically of people
13:58 that aren't familiar with heavy music
14:00 and I want to bring them into like that
14:01 music culture and then I want to get
14:04 people that only like heavy rock music
14:06 to check out other stuff that's outside
14:07 of that, you know, like hip-hop or dark
14:10 pop or whatever, bedroom pop. And I want
14:12 to like kind of bridge that gap to help
14:14 bring alternative music back into the
14:16 mainstream again. like the way that it
14:18 was in the early 2000s when like Corn
14:19 and Limp Biscuit and stuff and Lincoln
14:21 Park were like the biggest thing in
14:24 music. Um, and I think that that's like
14:25 happening right now across the board
14:28 with multiple artists. Um, but it's just
14:30 it's definitely interesting putting
14:32 those different types of fan bases in a
14:35 room together and playing violent, loud,
14:38 fast music sometimes.
14:42 with the diversity of the crowd therein.
14:44 Tell me how that may or may not affect
14:47 how you build a set list and pace the
14:50 set for the night.
14:52 >> Um, that actually doesn't really affect
14:54 that. I I when I when I make the set, I
14:57 I try to just make it really cool and
14:58 interesting. I'm like really big on
15:01 intros. Um, and you know, because we've
15:03 been playing these songs for so long
15:04 now, for like two years, and we've been
15:06 touring so much, it gets boring for us.
15:08 So, I've been like changing the songs
15:11 and like adding adding time to them or
15:12 like changing the structure or making
15:14 the songs start at a different point.
15:16 Just doing things to make it both fun
15:18 and exciting again for us as people that
15:19 have played them hundreds of times if
15:21 not thousands at this point. And then
15:23 also exciting for people that have seen
15:25 us live multiple times in the past year
15:28 or two. Um, so really when I'm making
15:29 the set, I'm just trying to make like
15:32 cool new exciting things. Like, um, we
15:34 play this song, Bad Decisions, on this
15:36 tour for the first time, and it ended up
15:38 being like just close enough in key and
15:40 tempo to Billy Isish's song, Bad Guy.
15:41 So, I've been like dropping samples from
15:43 that and there and like chopping them up
15:45 and like, you know, just doing like fun
15:46 stuff that you can only really
15:48 experience if you come see us live. And,
15:50 uh, yeah, I don't know. I just try to
15:51 make it different and exciting every tour.
15:53 tour.
15:55 >> You hit on something I I always find
15:57 terribly interesting. I I I always love
15:59 to sort of look at a it's the same thing
16:01 with the sequence of an album. I love to
16:04 see how a set list is sequenced, but
16:06 it's the opening song. I always What do
16:07 they open with? What do they open with?
16:10 Because there's a certain art to getting
16:11 out of the box. Now, what are some of
16:14 the parameters that go in to what you
16:17 feel makes a great opening song?
16:19 >> Uh we actually switched it up on this
16:20 one. For the pretty much the past year
16:22 and a half, we either opened with the
16:24 death of peace of mind, which is like a
16:26 gradual build. It starts really slow and
16:28 small and then it kind of builds up and
16:30 it like hits heavy at the end which
16:32 makes sense for an intro and then the
16:34 first two Concrete Jungle tours here and
16:37 in Europe we open with Concrete Jungle
16:38 and again that's kind of the same
16:40 crescendo that that the piece of mind
16:42 has where it starts slow and quiet and
16:43 small and then it just builds and then
16:46 like the set opens up and with this one
16:48 we wanted to like I don't know we wanted
16:49 to keep the energy going especially
16:51 because the two bands before us are like
16:54 pretty heavy and like you know fast and
16:57 stuff and not really that type of vibe.
16:59 And also, we just wanted to like come
17:01 out of the gate a little more like in
17:02 your face and fun. So, we're opening
17:04 with Artificial Suicide on this tour,
17:07 which everyone seems to really like. Um,
17:08 even like our crew, they're like, "It's
17:09 so sick that like you're opening with
17:11 that. It makes the show just immediately
17:14 pop off." Um, so that's like kind of
17:16 setting the tone for the set right right
17:17 at the start when you come out and it's
17:20 just like heavy rift, bouncy confetti,
17:23 all that stuff. And um yeah, that's
17:25 another song for example that I like I
17:27 chopped up and like restructured and we
17:28 made it like just kick in with like the
17:30 heaviest riff in the song and it just
17:32 it's got a really fun energy to it and I
17:34 I think that sets the tone for the whole
17:36 set. Um and then like I like to have
17:38 like kind of interlude moments in the
17:40 set and with this one bad decisions and
17:42 miracle are kind of in the middle and on
17:44 our album Miracle is the last track. So
17:46 I feel like for a lot of people that are
17:48 pretty well verssed in our track list on
17:50 the record, it kind of feels like the
17:52 end of the show and really it's just
17:54 like the end of the middle. So it's like
17:56 a cool halfway point where you get this
17:58 like in your face start, you get a
18:00 couple hits and you get like some slow
18:02 jams and then like an outro feeling and
18:04 then it's like fast song again. We're
18:06 only halfway done. Let's wake back up.
18:08 So it's like it's like a set in two
18:09 parts almost and it's it's really fun. I
18:11 think it's my favorite set so far we've done.
18:12 done.
18:13 You mentioned The Death of Peace of Mind
18:16 in there, which uh I I in my own
18:18 opinion, I can't say it's like the the
18:20 best of your your recent songs. I think
18:23 it's probably my favorite. Uh because I
18:25 think the song encapsulates the [ __ ]
18:27 everybody's been living through the last
18:31 several years. Um do you suppose it's
18:32 lyrics like that and thoughts like that
18:35 that explain why you guys are resonating
18:37 so well with folks?
18:39 >> I think it plays a role for sure. I
18:42 mean, a big part of this band is like
18:44 self-awareness and like almost social
18:45 commentary. Sometimes I feel like our
18:49 band with like how, you know, wild the
18:50 internet gets and like our fan base gets
18:52 sometimes like it's like a social
18:54 experiment almost at least for me
18:56 because I find that stuff interesting
18:58 like I find like philosophy interesting
19:01 and stuff like that. And as like a, you
19:03 know, deep existential thinker at times,
19:07 I like to see like how our band's
19:10 influence on like culture kind of
19:13 translates that type of like thought
19:15 process and like gets me kind of like
19:17 gets the wheels turning and that that
19:19 like further inspires ideas for the live
19:21 show. Like I'll just I'll just come up
19:22 with things for the live show that I
19:24 think is really fun or like makes people
19:27 question stuff. Like last night I I uh I
19:28 couldn't remember if we had played the
19:30 venue before and someone told me that we
19:32 hadn't and I was like I'm going to see
19:34 if everyone just cheers to cheer or if
19:35 they're actually listening and I was
19:37 like who here saw us like when we played
19:38 here last time at this venue and a
19:40 couple people were like and I was like
19:42 we never played here and they never like
19:44 I got you like it's a mean trick for
19:46 sure but because sometime maybe they
19:47 just didn't want it to be awkward and
19:50 just silence but I just stuff like that
19:52 where I just like it this band is always
19:54 making me think you know about like
19:56 things beyond just music. And I think
19:58 that's really cool. Like it's like I'm
20:01 learning more about myself and like just
20:04 my experience here as a human being like
20:06 through music beyond just music. And I
20:08 think that's like pretty cool fun part
20:11 about being in like a a band, you know?
20:12 >> I'll bet there's some nights where you
20:14 can't shut your brain off and you're in
20:17 that bunk just in
20:19 >> Dude, every night every night.
20:21 >> What are the What are the types of
20:23 things that keep you awake in your uh in
20:24 your brain?
20:26 Well, the hardest part is like when
20:28 you're headlining, you play last or you
20:31 play latest in the day and then it's
20:33 like you have this adrenaline rush from
20:35 the show because it's like it's the sick
20:38 exciting, you know, good. Now I can't go
20:38 to sleep. Yeah.
20:41 >> Yeah. The fans have it, we have it, and
20:43 uh that's like the hardest part to turn
20:47 off. But after the show, like I uh I try
20:48 to just wind down and like think about
20:51 the show, think about like things I said
20:53 or like how I could improve the show or
20:55 like one of my one of my biggest like
20:57 weak points as a frontman has always
20:59 been like stage banner. Like I' like
21:01 sometimes I just trip over my words or
21:03 I'll like I'll have like a too big of a
21:04 lisp or something like I don't know.
21:06 Like I just always feel like I'm saying
21:08 something stupid up there. And lately,
21:09 I've been trying to like embrace that
21:11 and stop being so serious as we used to
21:13 be cuz we used to be just shrouded in
21:15 mystery and like darkness at all times.
21:18 And I realized that like that's the
21:19 character, you know, like sometimes
21:21 people think if you're on stage and
21:22 you're funny or you're joking around or
21:24 something like that's a bit and
21:26 sometimes it is, but as someone that's
21:27 like naturally pretty serious and like
21:29 takes the band serious, I kind of
21:32 realized that I was like doing that too
21:33 far when it came to the stage
21:36 performance and like it was making me
21:39 take the performance aspect too serious
21:40 to the point that I would like really
21:42 beat myself up the rest of the night if
21:44 I like didn't hit the one note I really
21:45 wanted to hit or like something felt
21:47 weird with my voice in a certain part
21:49 and it was kind of like I don't want to
21:51 say ruining the tour experience for me,
21:52 but it definitely was making it way less
21:54 fun than it could and should be at being
21:57 in like a newfound like successful band
21:58 like selling out tours. Like it's
22:01 supposed to be fun, you know? And uh
22:03 I've been trying to just keep keep my
22:05 like brain in that space where I'm like
22:07 not taking it so serious and I'm not
22:09 like worried about being perfect every
22:11 night because like I think that's just
22:13 virtually impossible. And it and in
22:15 approaching that approaching it that
22:17 way, it's actually helped me be better,
22:18 I think, because when you're
22:19 overthinking, it's like you're kind of
22:20 getting in your own head about it and
22:22 that's when you start messing up and
22:24 like it doesn't feel natural. So, I
22:26 think I just kind of fell too hard into
22:29 like the character that was me on stage,
22:31 me as a frontman and in like a very
22:34 serious dramatic cinematic band. Like
22:35 there was definitely like a character
22:37 element to it that we still have for
22:39 sure. Like it's not goofy right now by
22:42 any means, but there's just moments
22:43 where I try to like take a step back and
22:45 make it light-hearted and like kind of
22:47 shatter the illusion a little bit and
22:48 remind people that we're just regular
22:50 guys and that we like to goof around.
22:52 And like the other night I threw signed
22:54 Uncrustables into the audience, you
22:56 know, like just trying to have more fun
22:57 now and just make it less serious
22:59 because it was like it was getting too
23:00 serious in my head, you know, and I had
23:02 to remember that it's just a it's just a
23:04 band and it's just live music and we're
23:05 just having fun and it's like how it
23:07 started, you know.
23:10 You strike me as a reader, someone who
23:12 uh likes to get lost with books. Is that
23:13 the case?
23:15 >> I do, but it's weird. I go through like
23:17 phases. Like I'll read like five books
23:18 in two months and then I won't read a
23:20 book for like a few months. So, it kind
23:22 of depends like where I'm at. But I I do
23:24 really enjoy reading and I'm I'm big
23:27 into uh sounds kind of corny but like
23:29 Echartole like that type of writing
23:32 that's like self-healing like
23:35 motivational like uh a new earth is one
23:38 of my favorite books. Um right now I'm
23:40 reading an Alex Garland book called The
23:43 Beach. Um he's like a weird writer that
23:44 does a lot of weird like horror movies
23:47 and stuff but uh yeah no I definitely
23:50 for sure like enjoy reading. Do you find
23:53 the more time you spend staring at your
23:55 phone, the harder it is for your brain
23:58 to rewire itself to read a book?
24:00 >> Yeah, for sure. Because like it's like
24:02 working out. Like the phone is so much
24:04 more exciting and entertaining than
24:06 reading a book. Like you've got sight,
24:09 sound, like you know, it's it's it's
24:10 like a movie, you know? But then there's
24:12 times where I don't know, reading to me
24:14 has become like more of like a
24:16 meditative practice almost because it's
24:19 such a like one thing to focus on versus
24:22 like scrolling through a social media
24:24 app. And I think it's like way better
24:27 for like your your brain to just sit
24:29 quietly and read a book. I also try to
24:31 meditate a lot now. kind of got this app
24:33 for it where like even just once a day I
24:34 try to meditate for like five minutes
24:37 and just kind of ground myself from my
24:40 thoughts because like as you observed I
24:42 do like overthink a lot and think a lot
24:44 all the time and like just really detail
24:46 oriented. So like I try to just find
24:48 time in the day to take five to 10
24:50 minutes to just not think about anything
24:52 and I think it's good. It's like a
24:54 computer reset almost like if your
24:56 computer is starting to overheat.
24:59 >> Have you ever tried yoga?
25:01 Uh, no. I' I've heard that that's good.
25:03 I've wanted to try it. Uh, I do I do
25:05 jiu-jitsu and that feels like somewhat
25:06 comp comparable. Like that's also
25:08 another thing I enjoy doing because it's
25:10 just you're on the task at hand trying
25:13 not to get choked like you know it's
25:15 it's pretty straightforward and just
25:17 it's nice to just do something physical
25:19 and that feels like almost primal like
25:21 that we as humans are kind of probably
25:23 designed to do in the first place. You
25:26 know, it's just eat food and sleep and
25:29 interact with one another and whatever.
25:31 Well, Noah, I uh always enjoy
25:32 interacting with you. Uh it's
25:35 interesting to talk art and life with
25:37 you and I look forward to seeing you on
25:38 this run.
25:40 >> Yeah, it's great talking to you, man.
