0:01 you might think you know what the big
0:04 three are and why I thought I did too at
0:05 the beginning of this journey but I
0:08 assure you you'll soon find out that
0:10 almost everything you thought you knew
0:13 about this Trio of anime has been a lie
0:16 let me explain coined in the early 2000s
0:18 The Big Three was a title bestowed to
0:21 capture the importance of three specific
0:24 series Naruto by Masashi Kishimoto
0:27 bleach by tight Kubo and of course one
0:30 piece by hir Oda individually they are
0:31 some of the most illustrious and
0:34 successful manga ever released but
0:37 together they form the big three however
0:39 now 20 years removed from when that
0:41 title was first coined two of these
0:43 series have concluded while the other is
0:45 approaching its end and so it begs the
0:48 question or rather questions if these
0:50 legendary stories were universally
0:52 agreed to be the big three from the
0:55 early 2000s is there a big three for our
0:57 current ERA of anime is that even
0:59 possible what does the big three even
1:02 mean really and where did it come from I
1:04 figured this question would be simple to
1:07 answer but oh boy was I wrong seeking
1:09 this answer has taken me across the
1:11 entire internet down a rabbit hole so
1:13 deep that I forgotten the feeling of
1:15 natural light and even led me to
1:17 interview a former Chief marketing
1:20 officer SL director at Crunchyroll who
1:22 also happens to be an anime consultant
1:24 and historian of sorts the journey to
1:27 answer this supposed simple question is
1:29 more interesting than you might think
1:31 and spoiler alert if you thought you
1:35 already knew the answer you're dead [Music]
1:37 [Music]
1:41 wrong to the I'm about to break I
1:52 about okay so before we determine what a
1:55 modern day big three looks like we must
1:57 first establish an answer to one
2:00 question what made one piece Nar and
2:03 bleach The Big Three now I thought this
2:05 was going to be the easiest part of the
2:07 video but once again I was wrong and
2:09 going forward I will learn from this
2:11 mistake and refrain from thinking ever
2:13 again to set the stage this journey
2:15 began with me just idly wondering this
2:17 very question and taken to the internet
2:20 to get my answer except very quickly it
2:21 became evident that all of these
2:24 websites contradicted each other article
2:26 after article I only further spiraled
2:28 into a deeper confusion CBR claimed the
2:31 big three came about out as a fan term
2:34 due to their popularity length and how
2:35 often they were on the cover of weekly
2:38 shown and jump together conversely game
2:39 Rand claimed that the term was not
2:42 fan-made at all but an official moniker
2:44 adopted internally by Shonen Jump itself
2:46 due to the substantial positive sales
2:48 impact these stories had on the
2:50 magazines domestically during the late
2:52 '90s and early 2000s article after
2:55 article Forum after Forum it became
2:58 abundantly clear that there really is no
3:00 absolute consensus on this the only
3:03 component of this I was certain on was
3:06 that one piece Naruto and bleach were
3:09 the titles that comprised the big three
3:12 but still no answer for the Y aspect of
3:14 it all which means it's time to deploy
3:17 the nuclear option I must H do my own
3:20 research I will never forgive the online
3:22 anime Community for forcing me to do
3:24 actual work and so the first step in my
3:26 research Journey was just going down a
3:28 hole and factchecking everything in the
3:30 aformentioned gamand article
3:31 the principal assertion of the article
3:34 was that the big three was in fact a
3:36 title which represented a specific
3:38 instance in history rather than one that
3:40 could be passed on so to speak and
3:42 that's an interesting assertion but why
3:44 though I'm going to try to paraphrase
3:46 here but it basically explains that
3:48 since its debut in the late 1960s weekly
3:50 sh and jump quickly became shu's
3:53 standout magazine thanks in part to its
3:55 most popular era ever and no it's not
3:58 the big three it was a time period
4:01 referred to as the golden age and thank
4:03 God this is something we can actually
4:05 fact check pretty easily weekly Shonen
4:08 Jump sales are public data and look at
4:10 that we can see pretty clearly that its
4:12 sales were growing exponentially through
4:15 this Golden Age all the way through to
4:18 1995 the year Dragon Ball ended which is
4:20 kind of crazy I mean I guess next time I
4:22 diss the bo Ark I should keep in mind it
4:24 probably sold more weekly shown and jump
4:26 copies than pretty much any other Arc in
4:28 the manga history furthermore we can
4:30 also positively fact check game runs
4:32 claim that after this Golden Era weekly
4:36 Shonen Jump sales plummeted with weekly
4:38 circulation going from around 6 million
4:41 in 1995 to almost 3 million by
4:45 1998 so far so good well I mean good
4:46 that the article was objectively correct
4:48 with this claim but not so much that
4:50 Weekly showen jum sales were in the
4:53 toilet however this is where the article
4:55 breaks down completely and sent me
4:57 crashing head first into a brick wall it
4:59 claims that Weekly shown in Jump's
5:01 figures once again skyrocketed when the
5:03 big three came along reaching similar
5:05 Heights as the Golden Era and saving the
5:07 magazine from the brink and the reason
5:10 why I have an issue with that is because
5:14 it is objectively wrong and don't take
5:17 my word for it just look at the data was
5:19 this the sort of quote Revival of
5:21 Interest they were referring to sales
5:23 and circulation figures of the magazine
5:25 year after year marching figuratively
5:28 off a cliff with the only years where
5:30 these figures didn't plat tow or
5:34 decrease being 1999 and a short stretch
5:38 a decade later from 2008 to 2011 however
5:39 by that point the magazine sales had
5:41 plummeted so low that they were
5:44 literally less than half of the 1995
5:47 Peak not exactly the Revival that was
5:49 described okay maybe I was just missing
5:51 something I thought maybe I need to look
5:53 specifically at the numbers for the big
5:55 three themselves let's see what I can
5:58 find um ah there we go the list of
6:01 bestselling monks all I have to do is
6:04 organize by publisher
6:07 and wait this list only offers data that
6:10 has been gathered since 2008 that misses
6:13 like 10 years of one pieces run and a
6:15 large chunk of bleach and Naruto's 2o
6:19 arguably their most successful arcs this
6:21 is that brick wall I mentioned earlier
6:23 basically every article cites amazing
6:25 sales figures as a core reason for the
6:28 moniker of big three but none of that
6:31 data is actually a available anywhere
6:32 and if we can fact check those how in
6:35 the hell can we verify any of this
6:37 sentiment how can I even continue making
6:39 this video I'll tell you how throw a
6:42 Hail Mary of a tweet Into The Ether get
6:43 the attention of one of the most
6:44 reputable and well researched
6:46 individuals in the English-speaking
6:48 anime Community to comment on your post
6:51 and then pester them in DMS incessantly
6:53 until they agree to an interview with
6:55 you and answer all your
6:58 questions and listen Okay you might be
7:01 saying at this juncture Mark why do you
7:02 care so much this is an internet meme
7:05 from over 20 years ago why has the
7:07 atmosphere of the video changed from a
7:09 light-hearted bit of fun to obsessively
7:11 sweaty data analysis mixed with
7:13 rudimentary journalism so what if
7:15 everyone can't agree on a concrete
7:18 definition these are all fine questions
7:21 to which I say [ __ ] off and eat a dildo
7:24 definitions matter thousands of people
7:27 this very second are arguing viciously
7:29 over this 20-year-old meme that they
7:31 don't know the first thing about making
7:33 enemies in the process as far as I was
7:34 concerned trying to untangle this
7:36 internet mystery was my good deed for
7:38 the week but when I hopped onto the call
7:40 with Miles my perspective on the big
7:43 three and how it came to be changed
7:46 forever for those that don't know miles
7:47 is the guy when it comes to
7:49 consultations for anime marketing
7:51 statistics in the west and over his long
7:53 career working for companies like
7:55 Crunchyroll and Anime limited he's acred
7:57 estimates and sales figures from this
8:00 era that are not only valuable but
8:02 impossible to find
8:04 online one thing at the moment we're
8:05 trying to kind of sauce out is presently
8:07 we've only been able to find sales data
8:10 from 2008 onwards for the weekly show
8:12 and jump releases in question do you
8:13 know where we might be able to find uh
8:15 more comprehensive data to confirm the
8:19 sales I mean I paid a lot of money for
8:22 those numbers oh okay okay fair enough
8:24 fair enough fair enough basically yeah I
8:26 I worked with some consulting firms in
8:29 Japan to get a lot of my numbers for the
8:31 purp of making English language reports
8:34 that I could then sell okay so clearly I
8:36 had found the right person however in
8:37 this interview when I opened with the
8:40 question what defined the big three
8:42 according to his knowledge his response
8:44 was not what I expected he didn't say
8:46 cultural influence nor did he mention
8:48 any dominance regarding sales figures
8:50 what he told us determine the big three
8:54 initially was the user feedback cards uh
8:57 what the heck are those so every week uh
8:59 when you buy a volume of Shonen Jump
9:01 there like a million and a half 2
9:02 million people who are buying Shonen
9:04 Jump every week or picking it up at
9:06 their local convenience store and
9:07 there's a like basically a reader
9:10 response card where you can rank the
9:13 manga within the pages there are 20 25
9:16 different manga featured every week and
9:17 you can kind of use it to show your
9:19 fandom or show your support and these
9:21 cards are one of like a dozen metrics
9:23 that the editors use to decide the
9:25 popularity of things it really actually
9:27 doesn't matter uh there are a lot of
9:30 interviews with editors that say this is
9:32 a pretty meager metric for anything
9:34 other than like one shots or brand new
9:36 series those are the only places where
9:38 those cards are you know going to be a
9:40 Difference Maker it's just kind of a way
9:42 to get people engaged but when you look
9:44 at the numbers of people who submit
9:46 those cards we're talking tens of
9:48 thousands so we're talking less than a
9:50 percent of all people who buy the
9:52 magazine are sending it back in and that
9:53 kind of makes sense just a lot of people
9:55 aren't going to be bothered to do that
9:56 we've seen you know periods where
9:58 hundreds of thousands of people are
10:00 sending it in but it's still a fraction
10:02 of the total audience this was news to
10:06 both myself and my entire crew despite
10:08 these user feedback cards being a clear
10:10 OV exaggerated and overblown
10:12 representation of popularity within the
10:14 magazine itself these results were still
10:16 used as the initial metrics which
10:19 established these three titles as the
10:22 big three in the west and what's more is
10:25 it gets even more interesting I've heard
10:27 a lot of people reference the I suppose
10:29 the impressive sales figures for the
10:31 trio of manga bleach one piece and
10:33 Naruto as the reason that they're the
10:35 big three but is it more fair to say
10:38 that it's the consistency with which
10:39 they place within the top three in the
10:41 popularity polls that determined whether
10:43 or not they were in fact the big three
10:45 that was the origin of it because the
10:47 sales weren't there yet so the big three
10:52 kind of came around 2006 2005 2006 era
10:53 and at that point they weren't selling
10:55 like Gang Busters yet like they were not
10:58 the best three selling by by any means
10:59 like death note was still around Hunter
11:02 Hunter was doing really well now
11:04 retroactively people have gone back and
11:06 used that as a justification but that's
11:07 that is kind of with the benefit of
11:09 hindsight you
11:12 can like I said like we don't actually
11:14 have very good data so we only know the
11:17 top 10 bestselling Monga of all of Japan
11:18 for most of those years like I've tried
11:21 to access other forms of data that show
11:23 and it kind of shows Death Note like
11:25 again mostly estimates it shows that
11:26 Death Note would have been a big three
11:28 for a lot of those years and Hunter
11:29 Hunter would have been a big three
11:33 only in like 2009 2010 were the big
11:36 three the big three in terms of sales so
11:39 like there's a short period of time
11:41 couple years where they were the best in
11:43 the polls or in the survey the reader
11:44 surveys there's a short period of time
11:46 where they they're the bestselling and
11:48 now retroactively they are the
11:51 bestselling overall from that era okay
11:54 that's also because they're long running
11:57 and so other manga have way outperformed
11:59 in terms of a per volume basis according
12:02 to those numbers the only years where
12:04 one piece Naruto and bleach were
12:06 collectively considered the big three in
12:11 terms of sales figures were 2009 and
12:16 that's kind of it in both 2008 and 2010
12:18 while they are up there certainly they
12:20 are not the top three together and so
12:22 while when all was said and done there
12:25 are great sales numbers between all
12:27 three that put them in contention with
12:28 each other when it came to looking at
12:31 each individual year only one lined up
12:34 the way we wanted it to
12:38 what what the [ __ ] this flies heavily in
12:40 the face of the commonly accepted
12:43 knowledge of their long Reign at top the
12:45 sales charts together what's most
12:47 interesting to me concerning these stats
12:49 is that from the looks of it what has
12:52 defined the big three over the decades
12:54 has morphed and changed over time to
12:56 justify these three being packaged
12:59 together by any means necessary you
13:01 could say that what has defined the big
13:04 three has sort of changed over time
13:05 almost to justify these three things
13:07 staying in contention with each other so
13:09 realistically if you want to stay with
13:11 the original definition of the big three
13:12 you'd want to be looking specifically at
13:14 the popularity polls for the most
13:16 consistent metric almost like a moving
13:18 goalpost sales figures weren't enough to
13:20 justify their grouping in the mid to
13:22 late 2000s and so the popularity polls
13:24 were used despite their lack of Merit
13:26 and you know what's hilarious it now
13:28 finally makes a little more sense to me
13:32 why this 2011 OVA Crossover with too and
13:35 one piece exists at all prior to the OVA
13:37 I had no idea who this weird buff guy
13:39 with the blue hair was but now I know
13:42 too kicked bleach out of the top three
13:44 within those ever so sacred popularity
13:47 poll back in 2008 and given that those
13:49 popularity polls were the only metric
13:51 folks were using to determine the big
13:53 three back then a reasonable
13:56 conversation had begun to anoint Toro as
13:59 the latest member of the trio in '08
14:01 which funnily enough had also been the
14:03 case for both death note and Hunter
14:06 Hunter look at that kids learning is fun
14:09 I do Wonder then if by using that metric
14:11 because this is a metric that carries
14:13 forth to even today you could in theory
14:16 use that metric to Define and determine
14:18 uh big three for each individual decade
14:21 and people have tried to do this um but
14:23 because the definition has changed yeah
14:25 but even people have used the same
14:27 metric and there's just actually not the
14:30 same dominance anymore okay things cycle
14:32 in and out and like even let's say when
14:34 my Academia was at its most popular in
14:38 the west like 2016 2017 yeah it wasn't
14:39 in the big three of Shonen jump it was
14:42 like number four pretty consistently by
14:44 that metric and so that kind of seems
14:46 weird to us because a lot of westerners
14:49 have also taken the perspective that oh
14:50 we that was what the big three
14:52 originally meant we own it now and it's
14:55 the big three in the west but that's
14:58 also kind of not true because Naruto was
14:59 more popular than than one piece and
15:03 bleach combined three times over in the
15:05 odds when I first began making this
15:07 video I thought I had a clear idea on
15:09 what made these three stories worthy of
15:12 the moniker The Big Three I thought like
15:14 many of you did sales figures were on
15:16 their side and that their cultural
15:17 impact in the west would be the final
15:20 factor which sealed their legacy but
15:22 after sitting down with Miles digesting
15:24 the data he shared and the perspective
15:26 he offered it seems that I was incorrect
15:29 on both fronts not only were the sales
15:31 figures not what formed the original
15:33 definition of the big three as we know
15:35 it but the cultural impact I've heard
15:38 touted all over the internet too wasn't
15:41 as we once thought with stories like one
15:43 piece a now modern-day Juggernaut in the
15:46 2000s it along with bleach were orders
15:49 of magnitude more irrelevant than Naruto
15:51 and a wide assortment of other anime
15:54 ripe for contention in the west also
15:55 people were like why aren't you watching
15:56 Code guos why aren't you watching this
15:58 why aren't you watching that everything
16:00 was more popular than one piece in
16:01 English-speaking countries sure in
16:04 France or Germany yeah there was more
16:07 one piece love in Latin America for sure
16:09 but it took a long time for one piece to
16:13 kind of shed its four four kids like
16:15 Sheen the the bad reputation they got
16:17 from that so only recently did one piece
16:20 become popular in the west uh or in the
16:22 English speaking World while Naruto
16:24 bleach and one piece were the properties
16:27 miles spoke on the most he also gave me
16:28 a lot to think about regarding Dragon
16:30 Ball and that Golden Age we explored
16:32 earlier while yes sales of weekly shun
16:34 and jump dropped considerably and never
16:37 recovered following 1995 there could
16:39 potentially be another way of
16:41 interpreting this data according to
16:43 Miles rather than this drop necessarily
16:45 being an indication of plummeting sales
16:46 figures due to subp power manga being
16:49 serialized in the magazine it could
16:51 instead be a return to the status quo
16:53 Dragon Ball to this day is still one of
16:54 the most popular properties in the
16:57 entire world looking at the sales data
16:58 for that era it's clear that those
17:00 incredibly profitable years for weekly
17:02 Shonen Jump were at least in part
17:04 facilitated by Monumental moments from
17:06 that series such as the climax to the
17:09 Frieza Arc and Gohan's clash with cell
17:11 as miles describes series like slam dunk
17:13 and Dragon Ball encouraged and brought
17:14 in an audience that otherwise would
17:16 never have purchased copies of weekly
17:18 Shen jump to put it as simply as
17:20 possible you know how there's a lot of
17:22 people who have only ever watched Dragon
17:24 Ball and Naruto but not any other anime
17:26 or perhaps you know of the droves of
17:28 football stars that love one piece but
17:31 nothing else it's sort of that same deal
17:33 once in a while a property like these
17:34 comes along and crosses the line from
17:36 interesting to anime fans on into
17:39 interesting to the entire world and in
17:40 the process luring in viewers who would
17:43 otherwise never read any other manga the
17:46 golden era was a huge boom in this exact
17:48 type of viewer with dragon ball and slam
17:50 dunk bringing in casuals from virtually
17:52 everywhere and once they were gone
17:54 weekly Shonen Jump's plummeting sales
17:56 was actually just returning to the
17:58 status quo so at the very least the
18:01 those plummeting sales figures are not a
18:02 product of the big three and its error
18:05 shortcomings which is good but that
18:06 still kind of leaves us hanging in a
18:09 limbo State regarding the why on the big
18:11 three even with internal data and an
18:14 expert at her side any concrete data
18:16 driven explanation for its existence is
18:18 flimsy at best I think looking at
18:20 everything I've learned the closest we
18:22 can get to an explanation is just that
18:24 these three relatively popular series
18:26 all came together and experience Global
18:28 popularity around the same time which
18:31 felt significant so then out of
18:33 curiosity before the interview concluded
18:36 I confronted miles and asked him what he
18:38 personally would use to gauge a modern
18:40 big three my personal argument would be
18:43 that it would be internationally focused
18:45 since most of the revenue from anime and
18:48 manga is now outside of Japan which was
18:50 the case for a brief moment during the
18:53 big 3's Reign but it finally is again in
18:56 a consistently in a consistent way okay
18:58 um so I would say just in terms of
19:00 overall impact and then I would say you
19:03 wouldn't look at the popularity polls or
19:04 anything like that because those are
19:06 always going to be limited in self-
19:07 selecting so they're never going to be
19:10 representative of the whole of the anim
19:12 manga community and then I'd also say it
19:15 has to be anime related because in
19:16 English-speaking countries the rate of
19:18 people who Read Manga relative to watch
19:22 anime is like 50 to 60% despite it all
19:24 even as inane and poorly defined and
19:26 ethereal as the big three has turned out
19:28 to be I think this loose definition for
19:30 the big three really aligns most with
19:33 what the community now thinks of when
19:34 they think of Naruto one piece and
19:36 bleach when most people think of the big
19:38 three they aren't thinking of hard sales
19:41 data or polling cards or weekly Shen
19:43 Jump covers they just think back to a
19:45 period of time where three standout
19:47 anime all at once held the dominant
19:50 place in viewers Minds regardless of how
19:52 it was defined originally with that in
19:54 mind who we may Crown the new Big Three
19:56 is tough to say there are a great many
19:58 anime in modern times that have captured
20:01 a attention in huge ways even outside of
20:03 shown and jump IPS properties like
20:05 Attack on Titan one punchman and killer
20:07 kill manag to reach those Heights in
20:09 specific verticals going as far as to
20:11 secure huge Global streaming deals with
20:13 the likes of Netflix as well as helping
20:15 to establish crunchy role as a household
20:16 name should they not count for
20:18 contention just because they didn't come
20:20 from the right magazine I don't think so
20:22 personally but ultimately I think if we
20:24 were to zero in on the True Modern Kings
20:26 of anime and manga we have to look for
20:28 those rare properties that not only
20:30 manage to capture huge appeal to both
20:33 dedicated and Casual fans alike but that
20:35 also held that position altogether in a
20:37 way that helped push the medium itself
20:39 into the spotlight three anime that have
20:40 been running concurrently with each
20:42 other for years upon years now and
20:44 consistently made up a significant
20:46 portion of what people think of when
20:48 they think of anime today and with that
20:50 in mind I decided to ask miles what
20:52 three he would choose and as surprising
20:55 as it was with everything I now know I
20:57 think I agree with him I mean I would
20:59 say we don't have a a big three anymore
21:03 we have a big two and and a third really
21:07 I would say the big two are Jiu-Jitsu
21:09 kaisen and Demon Slayer okay and then
21:12 the third is one piece both Demon Slayer
21:14 and Jiu-Jitsu kaisen are modern anime
21:16 through and through and have lived at
21:18 the top of that mountain for so much of
21:20 their run it's nearly impossible to deny
21:22 their impact and if you try you will
21:24 invariably end up running into a Demon
21:26 Slayer bumper sticker at your local
21:28 supermarket a day later these two series
21:29 have sat next to each other redefining
21:31 what people think of when they think of
21:33 anime for a long time now in a way that
21:36 once again feels very noteworthy and
21:38 then of course the surprise third member
21:41 here is one piece still hanging around
21:44 where it calls home the very top of the
21:46 industry if it isn't apparent by now
21:48 this modern big three we've chosen isn't
21:51 exactly as concrete and factual as you
21:53 want it to be the true objective why of
21:55 the original big three is all but
21:58 unknowable a combination of Many Many
22:00 Factors that coales into this relic of
22:02 the past anyone that tries to tell you
22:04 an objective reason why the big three
22:06 are what they are has much like those
22:08 articles I looked into earlier not dug
22:11 deep enough to find the real truth and
22:13 that truth is that the big three are the
22:15 big three because we call them that now
22:17 we might have initially used popularity
22:19 polls and eventually pivoted to sales
22:21 data when it suited us or perhaps some
22:22 of you have used any number of alternate
22:24 Avenues to try and justify its existence
22:27 as we know it today but ultimately none
22:29 of them are absolute if there is any one
22:31 thing I personally have taken away from
22:32 this journey though other than a
22:34 personal Vendetta against several anime
22:37 news websites damn them straight to hell
22:39 I think it's a curiosity for what will
22:40 come once these properties have all
22:43 finished especially one piece naturally
22:45 with Demon Slayer concluded and
22:47 Jiu-Jitsu kaisen ending very soon a new
22:49 era of anime at top the mountain is sure
22:51 to take its place in the future I don't
22:53 think anyone is sincerely worried that
22:54 anime will run dry of exciting new
22:56 stories to tell and characters to fall
22:59 in love with but one piece that's what
23:01 interested me most during its run Dragon
23:03 Ball reached Heights that broke barriers
23:05 beyond the anime industry and into a
23:07 worldwide cultural phenomenon that
23:10 arguably has still yet to be matched and
23:12 in its wake slowly over the years one
23:14 piece began to take its place to the
23:16 point where now it too has broken past
23:18 that barrier not by remaining part of
23:21 the big three solar system but by
23:23 standing on its own as a Galaxy into an
23:25 of itself but that didn't happen
23:28 immediately in 1995 when Dragon Ball
23:30 concluded Ed one piece was but imly and
23:32 culturally compared to where it has
23:34 gotten to now decades later Manga and
23:37 Anime went years without a Golden Arrow
23:39 level barrier breaker like one piece and
23:41 soon because of that we will soon find
23:44 ourselves back in 1995 once again when
23:46 one piece ends once the dust has settled
23:48 and the anime streaming sites have all
23:49 repaired their servers that will no
23:52 doubt be lit on fire in the process who
23:54 will stand to take one piece's place
23:55 will we experience another decade
23:57 without a cultural phenomenon leading
24:00 the charge or or will an unlikely anime
24:02 spring forth from the shadows and become
24:05 the next one piece the next Dragon Ball
24:07 I have honestly no idea but that's kind
24:09 of what makes this so exciting I mean my
24:11 personal bet is on my wife becomes an
24:12 elementary school student that one
24:14 sounds like a real winner just kidding
24:17 or am I thanks for watching guys
24:19 goodbye well I hope you enjoyed the
24:21 video it ended up very different than I
24:23 originally planned but was one hell of a
24:25 journey regardless my interview with
24:27 Miles was actually over 30 minutes long
24:29 so if you're curious and want to watch
24:31 the whole thing I'll be posting it to my
24:33 patreon for fourstar supporters and
24:35 above go check it out if you're curious
24:39 and remember to eat your vegetables [Music]
