0:02 I sure hope there weren't any mistakes
0:04 in that episode, but we'll find out when
0:07 my mom, Mrs. Monica, comes in and tells
0:09 us what was wrong.
0:10 Are you so happy to be wearing your
0:13 raincoat? Yeah.
0:16 It's a good part, I guess. That's his
0:19 brown lining. Brown lining. Literally. I
0:21 was on the road at 6:00 a.m. this
0:23 morning. Uh-huh. Driving to Anaheim,
0:25 California. Home of Disneyland, as you
0:27 may know. I do know that. thriving
0:30 suburb in the greater metropolitan area.
0:35 Yes. To go to Expo West. Okay. Do you
0:38 know about Expo West? Nope. I don't know
0:40 what's on either. Okay. Even after
0:43 having gone. That's right. Okay. 70,000
0:47 attendees. Wow. It's a huge trade show
0:51 for consumer products. Oh, all kinds.
0:55 grocerers, products, buyers, suppliers,
0:59 founders, and uh Sharon Beasley and I
1:02 Aaron Weekly uh were on stage being
1:03 interviewed. Oh, you were interviewed.
1:05 Oh, I thought you guys were like trying
1:07 to sell your product. Well, that's
1:08 happening. Yeah. I had to come back to
1:10 work for my real job. Are they still
1:12 there? Yeah, they're still there. Oh.
1:14 Wandering the halls of a huge
1:16 convention. 70,000 attendees. That's
1:19 great. Rob Google how many cities in
1:21 America have more than 70,000. So I'm
1:24 getting 50,000 or more there's 510 urban
1:27 areas in the US with a population that
1:28 out of 50 states that's like 10 per
1:31 state. Okay, that's I don't know what
1:32 that does for us but I feel like it's
1:34 relevant. Not not a lot for me
1:36 personally. What I'm saying is this
1:38 would be in the top 500 cities in
1:40 America for population had this group
1:42 incorporated into a city while they were
1:44 watching this interview. Okay, great.
1:46 I'm just thinking about all these
1:47 products, you know. Yeah, a lot of
1:51 products. It's crowded space. So many
1:54 products and
1:55 go ahead. I
2:00 just like Do we need more products?
2:04 Unless it's filling a space. Yes, I do
2:06 think you are filling a space with Ted
2:08 Seekers. I don't think there's a lot of
2:12 good NA beer. I do too. So, I I support
2:15 that product. Yes. But overall, like
2:20 everyone has a product. Yeah. And
2:24 I think I'm gonna say it. I declare I'm
2:26 against it. Oh my goodness. What a
2:28 controversial stance. Well, you like
2:30 capitalism and you like the marketplace.
2:31 Of course. So, it's not an anti-
2:34 capitalist stance. It's more just like,
2:36 do we need it, guys? More of an enough
2:39 already. Yeah. It's a little bit more of
2:42 an enough already mixed with like
2:44 everyone famous has to have some product
2:47 like not you again, not go ahead. Go
2:49 ahead. No, I I don't mean you. That's
2:50 why I love talking about Ted Seag cuz
2:52 this was not a cash grab. No one
2:53 approached me. All these other there's
2:56 another guy with a a celebrity with a
2:58 beer brand. And he's very openly on a
3:00 talk show saying like he got approached
3:02 by people. They handed him five things
3:03 at a boardroom meeting and said
3:04 basically, will you put your name on
3:07 this? Yeah. So this is like me and Aaron
3:08 created a beer we wouldn't be
3:10 embarrassed to order at a bar. Yeah.
3:12 Right. We're not like, "Hey, do you have
3:13 a little duels? Could you bring it in a
3:14 Budweiser?" You know? Yeah. I also think
3:17 selling products is great. I have no
3:19 beef with people who kind of who do who
3:21 are doing that. We made it for ourselves
3:23 and then we thought, "Oh, maybe people
3:24 would also want it." But I mean, even
3:27 people who like don't really care about
3:28 the product, but are like, "Look, I can
3:31 I can slap my name on this and get eyes
3:33 on it and I think it's fine." I don't
3:34 have any I don't really have a problem
3:37 with some of this bad things that other
3:38 people might have problems with. But I
3:42 do think like when I go to
3:45 to Target, I'll say if I go Yeah, it's a
3:48 great place to go. And there's
3:50 like so
3:54 many tequilas. Mhm. They're all one kind
3:56 of tequila. It's all They're all a
4:00 celebrity brand tequila of of one
4:02 variety. It's not like they like put in
4:04 a ton of effort to make it cuz you know
4:05 I think we recently talked about Paul
4:09 Fig. Paul Fig has a gin. Yes. But that's
4:11 like his passion. Yeah. He's virtually a
4:14 chemist. Yes. And so that's great to me.
4:16 But just And my passion is partying. It
4:19 was. No, it is. That's what Ted Seager
4:20 is all about. You can still [ __ ]
4:23 rage. You don't have to have alcohol.
4:25 Yeah. But do you think you rage? Oh my
4:27 god. Yes. Aaron and I party hard. I
4:28 don't mean to poke holes in your
4:30 business. barbecue, laughing, screaming,
4:33 five of them, not the sip one, of
4:36 course, empty can. It's a party. Yeah,
4:37 but I think most people think when they
4:40 hear party, they think like club 4 a.m.
4:42 like, oh, they they're not thinking
4:44 about it correctly. I I agree. Parties
4:47 is a state of mind. And I'm going to
4:50 drop into a carefree tomorrow never
4:53 comes attitude. That's a party to me.
4:55 I'm about parties, too, then. Yeah, we
4:57 party. We [ __ ] get down here. What
4:59 are you talking about? This is a major
5:02 party. I'm just telling you what the
5:05 colloquial observation of the word party
5:07 that they think it has to involve being
5:10 intoxicated and being out late. People
5:12 think partying is being out late and
5:14 they don't party with me cuz I'm in bed
5:17 by 8. Yes. Yes. Yes. But Aaron and I
5:22 will be out late. Okay. Rarely. Rarely.
5:25 But we would be honest that it's rare.
5:26 Yeah. But we used to get panicked
5:28 because you haven't taken your sleep
5:30 aids. I'll give you a prime example.
5:31 Aaron and I will be, which happens
5:34 often. We're both binging a show
5:38 together. And it's midnight. We should
5:41 go to bed. And I go, "You just want to
5:43 [ __ ] party." And he's like, "Yeah,
5:46 let's [ __ ] go." And that means we'll
5:48 watch till maybe 3:00 a.m. cuz
5:50 tomorrow's not coming. That's tomorrow.
5:53 Dax's problem. BTDI. That's like how I
5:55 lived. I watched all of Running Point on
5:57 Saturday. I watched the whole show.
6:00 Right. Let it rip. Party. Up late and I
6:03 guess I was partying. Yes. I don't think
6:05 we should let the people just people who
6:07 are getting intoxicated own the space
6:09 partying. I I I like it. You're
6:12 reclaiming. That's right. Wait, back to
6:14 I want to I want to spend a little more
6:16 time on this because I think I think you're
6:18 you're
6:21 representing a how a lot of people feel
6:24 like, oh god, this guy's got a vodka
6:27 now, right? I don't mean to. Yeah, but I
6:29 think a lot of people feel that way.
6:32 Yeah. And I guess I can see it from both
6:34 sides. Well, let me be clear really
6:36 quick. To me, it's not about like, oh,
6:39 this guy has. It's not about the the guy
6:41 or the girl or the whatever. It's not
6:44 about the person. It's about the space.
6:47 It's like, guys, we just don't need
6:50 another one of these, right? You're more
6:52 like the category is Yeah. Pick a new
6:55 category. Get a little creative. Look
6:57 and see what's needed, then do that.
7:00 That's what's cool about Danny Ricardo.
7:03 No, he didn't. Nope.
7:06 Danny DeVito. Oh, he did lematurure.
7:08 What is it? Lemonchello. I love lemonch
7:10 cello. Lemonchello. Like when we did
7:13 went in Rome 18 years ago, he had ahead
7:14 of the game. He had lemon cello cuz
7:16 that's his drink. This is the same with
7:19 beauty. Beauty insiders
7:23 also feel like this like wow everyone
7:26 has a makeup brand or a beauty brand or
7:30 exact something. And I agree, but I also
7:32 think there is some space there. Like I
7:35 do like the people who are coming in
7:39 with a more diverse color palette. Okay.
7:42 Sure. Some browns and light browns.
7:44 Yeah. Cuz there's a lot of whitey.
7:46 There's Well, there's just a lot of
7:49 variation within darker colors and that
7:51 that's not available. I was just asking
7:52 Simone yesterday. I was like, "What did
7:56 you put on my face again for for the SAG
7:58 awards?" And she was like, "I used to
8:00 She had to do some Yeah. You got to use
8:02 chemistry. That's right. Oh, I was only
8:04 gonna not that anyone cares. I don't
8:05 even know why I'm saying this, but I'm
8:09 going to. If you look at the
8:15 last six spirits that were created and
8:19 then became valuated over a billion
8:21 dollars or multiple billions of dollars,
8:23 the truth is four of those five are
8:25 celebrity driven. Whether it's Conor
8:29 McGregor or it's um the handsome Clooney
8:32 Mlooney, George Cloon. But his is good.
8:34 Well, yeah, they could be good or they
8:36 could be I guess but I guess with that I
8:39 I didn't even know that was his brand. I
8:41 was drinking it. Kasmigos. Kasamigos.
8:42 Shout out. Yes, I was drinking. You
8:45 already exited, I think. Oh, good for
8:49 him. Um and then I was then I
8:51 learned like I think he invested in
8:53 that, right? Oh, he was right out in
8:54 front of
8:56 Yeah. Yeah. There's several. They have
8:58 worked. And what you have to acknowledge
9:01 is if you're a distiller, a distiller or
9:04 a distillery. Um, breaking through this
9:06 insanely cluttered space is nearly
9:08 [ __ ] impossible. You would really
9:10 have to spend hundreds of millions of
9:13 dollars marketing this product. Yeah. Or
9:15 you get The Rock to talk about it on his
9:17 Instagram. You save yourself several
9:19 hundred million dollars and it breaks
9:22 through. So, it's like, but that's
9:24 selling. That's like he's the spokes.
9:26 I'm fine with spokespeople. No, he
9:28 started that. He's one of the founders.
9:29 That's what I'm saying. That's
9:32 different. Starting something, founding
9:33 something, having your own idea, and
9:36 doing it to me is is
9:39 like now I'm now I'm confused about what
9:41 I'm even saying. And me too a bit, which
9:43 I think is a the sign of a good
9:44 conversation is you're like trying to
9:46 figure out what your position is midway
9:47 through. I don't care. Everyone can do
9:49 it. There's just a lot of products out
9:52 there. I want to explain the landscape
9:54 and why it's irresistible for
9:58 distilleries and and you know spirits because
9:59 because
10:01 you almost can't do it to just have like
10:04 a novel recipe and try to penetrate. I
10:07 agree like Kristen were was with Spindri
10:09 for a while, right? That to me is great.
10:13 Like she likes the product and it exists
10:16 and she is helping promote it. She's a
10:18 spokesperson. But I think if she on her
10:21 own was like and like you guys did it
10:22 with Hello Bella because you felt like
10:24 that there was a need. Yeah. Yeah. But
10:26 if she own people on a budget to have
10:28 the same [ __ ] we have. Yes. But I think
10:31 if she on her own was just like what
10:35 product shall I make now? Yeah. Okay.
10:39 I'll make vodka. Right. And I don't
10:41 drink. Yeah. Or just anything. It's like
10:44 she didn't do that and I appreciate
10:46 that. Like I think just being hired is
10:49 great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I am.
10:52 Please hire me to be a spokesperson. No,
10:55 I think you just No, I This is This is
10:57 nuanced. I would like to be a
10:58 spokesperson for your product that
11:00 already exists, but I don't want to
11:02 clutter the market with a new one. Don't
11:03 you think it might be fair to also
11:05 acknowledge is like however you feel
11:09 about the new celebrity uh product is
11:11 virtually just how you feel about that
11:12 celebrity because like when Clooney does
11:14 it, you're like, "Oh, cool. He's super
11:17 classy and elevated and I bet his
11:19 tequila's top shelf and you won't get a
11:23 hangover. It is. And then you see I
11:24 don't even want to say a name, but you
11:27 know there's like a a whole legion of
11:29 people you would see with a product and
11:31 be like, "Well, I don't even like their
11:35 vibe to begin with." And it reeks of
11:38 cash grab. Yeah. Exactly. So, yeah,
11:39 that's all part of it. I'll have
11:41 everyone know if it makes them feel
11:43 better. I have lost hundreds of
11:45 thousands of dollars on Ted
11:49 Seagars. So, no, I made this clear that
11:52 I I think that's different. Um Oh,
11:54 mine's also a mission to be with my two
11:56 friends. Yeah, that's great. Everyone do
11:58 whatever they want. Yeah, just do it.
12:00 And I don't care if you think I'm a I'll
12:02 just Yeah, I guess it is important to me
12:04 that everyone recognize that this is not
12:06 a cash grab. No one came to me. This is
12:09 all selfi finance and I'm probably lose
12:11 my shirt, but again, I'm having a blast
12:12 with Aaron. We were at a [ __ ]
12:15 convention just now on stage. Cash grabs
12:16 in the right. Yeah, there's the right.
12:18 Listen, I'm a part of some cash.
12:20 Everything's fine. Me, too. Everything's
12:22 fine. Everyone's doing great. Everyone's
12:23 trying to make it. What else? How was
12:25 your weekend? We haven't discussed
12:27 weekends. Yeah. Tell me. Um, as I said,
12:29 I watched all of Running Point. Really
12:32 enjoyed it. I miss that halfhour comedy
12:35 vibe a lot. Yeah. It's such an e It's
12:39 just easy. It's breezy. It's fun. It's
12:43 It's sexy. It's I like it. Um, so I
12:45 watch all that. Oh, speaking of on my
12:47 Instagram this week because it's it's
12:48 Mindy week. Although when this comes
12:51 out, it won't be Mindy week. It will
12:54 have passed. But, um, it's Mindy week.
12:57 So, every day this week, I'm posting on
13:00 stories an old episode of
13:03 ours that is connected to Running Point.
13:06 So, like yesterday, I posted Kate's old
13:09 episode. I posted Ike's first
13:11 appearance. Wow. Yeah. And then there's
13:14 more to come. Oh my god. We've had a lot
13:17 of those people on. Yeah. Who else? Max.
13:20 Oh yeah. Max Greenfield.
13:22 Sweet Max, who I love. Yeah. Well, I'm
13:25 glad you finished that whole You plowed
13:26 right through and felt great and you
13:28 woke up and felt good in the morning.
13:30 Yeah, I was I was very happy. You didn't
13:31 feel You didn't feel guilty for partying
13:34 too hard. Yeah. Good. No, I didn't. I
13:36 felt great about it. Wonderful. What
13:39 else did I do? Oh, I had a big catchup session
13:41 session
13:44 um with my viewing crew because we were
13:46 behind and we watched White Lotus and
13:48 Severance. We were behind so we had to
13:50 watch two severance to White Lotus. You
13:52 have not introduced me to this viewing
13:54 crew concept. This is You just dropped
13:56 it on my lap like I'm super familiar
13:58 with. I told you Anna Julia Jess and I
14:01 watched that. Watch Severance and White
14:03 Lotus. I You told me you had watched an
14:04 episode. I didn't realize it was a
14:07 commitment and a viewing crew and a
14:10 weekly. Yeah, it's a weekly Sunday. What
14:13 fun. Sunday I make dinner. The funnest
14:15 times of my whole life were watching
14:17 Sopranos on Sunday nights and making
14:20 Italian food. Yeah. Yeah. So fun. The
14:24 problem is when you miss gotch. It's a
14:26 problem. Yeah. When you get it, it's a
14:28 gotaguch. And when you miss, it's a got
14:31 to. Okay. Are you in soprano? Yeah, I'm
14:35 in soprano. Yeah. Um, yeah. No, it's a
14:38 it's like then we have four to watch.
14:41 That was a lot. When you miss an a week
14:42 of viewing, I thought you meant when you
14:45 miss cooking. Oh, yeah. I didn't know
14:47 what you were doing. Okay. Yeah. Missing
14:52 would be Oh, [ __ ] [ __ ] Okay. Okay.
14:54 Um, so we had to watch four episodes. Oh
14:56 my god. That was your Sunday? Yeah.
14:58 Which was also very fun. It was fun. It
15:00 was fun. But then the Oscars were also
15:02 on. Oh, and you got to watch those. So,
15:04 I had to watch pieces of that. So, it
15:07 was a lot of television consumption over
15:09 the weekend. I had a television party,
15:11 too, because I got early screeners for
15:14 Drive to Survive and I had the boys
15:19 over. Cool. To watch. And um what a
15:21 show. What a show. Boy, do they build
15:23 the suspense for the season which kicks
15:27 off in a week. Oh, I can't wait. Testing
15:31 happened. some surprises. Some big
15:34 exciting surprises. How's my boyfriend?
15:36 Does he do well? Does he Who's your
15:38 current boyfriend? Toto. He's one of my
15:40 boyfriends. Oh, now he's your boyfriend.
15:41 He's definitely been one of my
15:43 boyfriends since he came on the show.
15:45 Since he came on the show, but prior to
15:47 that, yeah, it was Ricardo or Buzz.
15:50 Well, Ricardo still is not there. He's a garg.
15:53 garg.
15:56 Yeah, Danny. Danny Ricardo. You can't
15:59 even look. Um, yeah, great total. What a
16:01 charming son of a [ __ ] He gets you
16:04 several times in the three episodes. I
16:06 Yes, he's so playful. God, he really is
16:09 so playful. But back to testing. Carlos
16:12 signs, who we love, sexiest man on the
16:15 grid, best lay father is a legend. Boooo
16:18 pants. Don't say that about him. He was
16:22 um unceremoniously let go of Ferrari to
16:25 make room for Lewis Hamilton. Okay. And
16:27 what was great is that the first half of
16:29 the year, Carlos was destroying. He was
16:31 beating who I love. But it was fun cuz
16:33 he's like, "Oh, you're going to fire me
16:36 and keep Charles. Let me beat Charles
16:38 for a while." Very exciting. Oh, this is
16:40 great. He went to Williams. Always a
16:43 bottom three team. In testing first test
16:45 session, Carlos Science had the fastest
16:49 lap in a Williams. That's Talk about a
16:51 little bit of poetic justice. You love a
16:54 comeback. Underdog. An underdog. This is
16:56 straight underdog. You know, I have very
16:58 specific compartments for my stories as
17:00 we learned on the last fact check. What
17:02 do you mean? Wait, I forget. Well, I was
17:03 like, no, no, this is a climbing the
17:05 ladder becoming a CEO story. This isn't
17:07 a dreams come true story. That's too
17:10 broad of a blanket. Sure. So, this one
17:12 is specifically underdog. Yeah, but it's
17:16 like underdog revenge. It's re That's
17:18 what it is. It's not underdog, I don't
17:20 think. Well, he's on an underdog team. I
17:22 know, but there's two stories happening.
17:24 It's just hard to call him an underdog.
17:25 But the Williams story is an underdog
17:28 story. And then the Carlos SC is a
17:30 revenge is a dish best served hot and
17:32 straight up your ass on week one of
17:34 testing. And I won't clean my ass after.
17:38 Don't say that. It's my opinion. I mean,
17:40 that's the world we live in. Opinions
17:42 are facts. Just say it and it's a fact.
17:45 That's right. Opinions are facts. Don't
17:49 talk back. Yeah. So, all right. Well,
17:50 that's fun. You had a viewing party.
17:52 Yeah, that was a really good time. Had a
17:55 double date on Saturday night at a
17:57 steakhouse by the people who do
18:00 Sugarfish. Oh, nice. And you can expect
18:03 it's the steak version of Sugarfish.
18:06 Where? What? Matu. Oh, I've been there.
18:09 You have? God. Yeah, the Philly. They do
18:10 also have Oh, the Philly cheese steak.
18:12 So good. Oh my god. That was dessert. We
18:15 got this crazy like all-in meal and the
18:18 dessert was that frigin. It's that is
18:20 that's the best I mean people in
18:21 Philadelphia are gonna slip my throat,
18:22 but it's the best Philly cheese steak
18:23 I've ever had. And I've had them in
18:25 Philadelphia. What's a wagoo? Yeah,
18:27 right. Is a wagoo. You You mispronounced
18:31 it, but yeah. Oh god. Got a gu. Oh,
18:32 you've been hanging out with too many
18:35 bros. Now you talk. Now you talk like
18:37 that. One evening with Aaron and Aaron
18:39 who are not Aaron and Aaron are not the
18:41 bros I'm talking about. They're not bros
18:43 at all. I love them. Yeah, they're very
18:44 unbrolike. I know. That's why I love
18:46 them. We went and saw the Led Zeppelin
18:49 documentary yesterday. Fun. And IMAX.
18:52 Fun. Actually, I was thinking about
18:56 that. This is a Easter egg. You know,
18:58 you I can't wait to watch you tap dance
18:59 around this. I already know what's
19:01 coming and I'm like watching you play.
19:03 You're like testing the ice to see if
19:05 you're going to fall through before you
19:07 say it. I know. For someone who is
19:09 pretty riskaverse, I'm really not. I
19:11 step on the ice all the time. Yeah,
19:13 you're mixed messes for sure. I do think
19:18 you connect with bro culture like in
19:22 your head you think that like you grew
19:25 up in Michigan and you know it's dirt
19:29 road and you have all these bros and and
19:32 then other kinds of bros in Detroit like
19:35 you really connect with that idea. Oh
19:37 okay. Well so far I can agree with you.
19:39 I can hang with the bros like I'm
19:41 totally comfortable. Sure. Yeah. But I
19:43 think you sometimes identify
19:45 sometimes. Well, maybe it's just when
19:48 you're with them. I don't know. But I
19:51 And I mean this as a huge compliment.
19:54 Yeah. Yeah. You are not one. Oh, I know.
19:59 And like your bros Yeah. are sweet boys.
20:01 Oh, yeah. Yeah. The errands. All my
20:03 friends from Michigan are sweethearts.
20:05 We fist fought a lot, but we were all of
20:09 them are very sweet boys. That's like I
20:11 think that there's a distinction for me
20:14 if I dare. I'm now on the ice. I think
20:18 you had some pretty binary categories
20:19 and I don't know that you had the
20:21 category of boys who were super sweet to
20:22 their moms and their sisters and also
20:25 fought at the bar, right? And I think
20:27 that's the category that the errands and
20:32 I are in. Yeah, that's that's right. I
20:35 think the broke culture that people talk about
20:37 about
20:40 is diff is different than what you have
20:44 and what you're doing. I do too. Yeah. I
20:46 just I think a lot of the bro culture
20:48 without naming names is in deep search
20:50 of masculinity.
20:52 Yeah. And I think I've been lucky enough
20:56 to achieve a lot of that masculinity.
20:57 Like I think there's a lot of guys who
21:00 act tough who they've never challenged
21:02 themselves to find out if they are and
21:05 they have this fear that they're not and
21:08 they're kind of compensating. So I can
21:10 hang in those circles cuz I am often the
21:12 thing some of these guys are purporting
21:14 to be. But I don't act like a blowhard
21:16 or I try not to act like a blowhard.
21:21 Yeah. But like some people do do put it
21:25 to the test like Rogan like he goes and
21:27 he's like in the UFC. Oh yeah. Yeah. He
21:30 trains he's he has but his story as I've
21:32 learned from other people is he was a
21:36 bullied kid. He's short. I think he was
21:38 bullied and I think he didn't want to
21:40 ever feel that again. And I think he
21:42 made himself strong and learned how to
21:44 fight and I think he's he's I'm assuming
21:46 he's kind of honest about that. Yeah.
21:49 But he surround he he he's choosing
21:52 still to surround himself and build a a
21:58 a life that's that's still like
22:02 that. Stay tuned for more armchair
22:06 expert if you dare. [Music]
22:13 I think it could be misleading if you
22:17 only evaluate Rogan by the 15 most
22:21 flagrant guests he's had instead of the
22:23 dude's done 2,000 episodes of his show
22:25 and he's also really good friends with
22:27 Chappelle. He I think he's a comedian
22:29 first. He I think if we were to
22:31 interview him I think he would most
22:34 identify he's a comedian. He UFC is not
22:36 first. He's much happier in a green room
22:38 with all com comics. Yeah, I think
22:41 that's his allegiance and his tribe. And
22:43 then I think as I'm crazy into cars,
22:46 he's crazy into UFC. And then that that
22:48 invites UFC fighters. Now, those guys,
22:50 yeah, I'm not a lot of them, you know, I
22:53 don't have much to defend about, right,
22:55 their world view, but I don't know that
22:58 it's entirely fair to graph on to Rogan
23:01 who his 15 craziest guests are cuz he
23:04 also has that's fair other guests in the
23:05 opposite D. If if there's anything I'll
23:07 say about him, he's incredibly fair
23:10 about everyone there is kind of welcome.
23:11 If anything, he's just really attracted
23:13 to super provocative ideas. Sometimes
23:14 they're on the left, sometimes they're
23:16 on the right. He I listened to a speech
23:18 he made the other day that was like I'm
23:20 not on the I'm not in either of your
23:22 club. What I think is crazy is to be in
23:25 a club. So I don't think he is he
23:28 himself selfidentifies as much as the
23:30 left thinks he does with being a
23:31 conservative. But I think he's a bit of
23:34 a big bad wolf on the left and I don't I
23:37 personally don't think he is. Yeah. I
23:38 mean, I I don't know that I'll say he's
23:41 a big bad wolf, but do I think he's Do I
23:43 think he
23:46 contributes to a culture that I think is
23:48 problematic? Yes. Do I And and that
23:52 doesn't mean he himself necessarily is
23:56 that. But I think he feeds the that
24:00 group what they want and then they get
24:02 off on it. Well, again, I think they
24:05 listen to the 15 episodes that we would
24:08 then talk about in droves and then they
24:10 they I mean, he obviously is the biggest
24:13 show in the world. Oh. By by 5 10x.
24:15 Yeah. It's not It's not that they're
24:17 picking and choosing. He he has a huge
24:22 audience that he I I believe cares to
24:26 keep as you should. Yeah. And and I
24:29 think that means feeding feeding it.
24:30 See, that's where I might disagree. I
24:32 don't think he's led by his audience at
24:34 all. Like I think he is actually
24:37 insanely true to who he just is. That's
24:40 why I respect him a lot. I don't think
24:43 he's chasing that audience. I think he's
24:47 him and a big swath of the country loves
24:50 that. Mhm. Yeah. I see other people
24:53 chasing that and trying to be
24:56 opportunistic about that. Yeah. And I I
24:58 just don't think that's him. I think
25:00 he's been the same [ __ ] dude for 12
25:02 years on his show. I only wondered
25:05 because again, Easter egg, we have
25:07 someone coming out and we have we have
25:09 two people coming out that are in my
25:12 opinion, well, one of them especially is quite
25:14 quite
25:17 atypicalish of atypical or atypical.
25:21 Atypical of our guests. Sure. Sure.
25:24 Sure. And the type of conversation even
25:27 is different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and
25:32 I did think I wonder what would happen
25:34 like in an alternate universe. What
25:38 would happen if I wasn't here? Not in
25:42 this in in this show. If it was Dax
25:44 Solo, what would happen with the show?
25:46 Who would it be? What would it be? I
25:48 mean, there's I think there's no way to
25:51 know because of like the the alchemy.
25:53 You can't you can't tell, right? But I
25:54 did, you know, after I was like, "Oh,
25:57 man. I wonder." Then we went out and
25:59 your friends were here, errands, the
26:01 errands were here, and I was like, "Oh,
26:04 I don't." It wouldn't be that. I think
26:06 the way you can test it is I've gone on
26:08 these people's shows, and I'm just still
26:10 me. I'm talking about trauma and
26:12 addiction and being vulnerable. Yeah.
26:15 Even in the the lion's den of these
26:18 dudes. Yeah. But again, I I am I have
26:20 the gift of having done all the stuff. I
26:24 don't ever feel like I need to inflate
26:26 or bonafy my masculinity. Prove
26:28 yourself. I don't. I'm so comfortable
26:31 like when it goes into those zones that
26:34 I actually like. If it's about cars or a
26:36 great boxing match, I do like that
26:38 stuff, but I don't ever need to join.
26:40 Bragging about those things. No, but
26:45 also I but I do I was thinking Yes,
26:46 you're right. I I think you would be
26:48 talking about trauma and you would
26:52 be whatever you know. I I agree you are you.
26:53 you.
26:57 But I was and this is not a this is not
27:01 a pat on my back cuz it was you who said
27:04 that I should be here. Yeah. I do think
27:06 it's just so [ __ ] important to have a
27:09 woman in the room. I mean we've had so
27:11 many especially one that's empowered.
27:13 Yes. Like if you were to guest on one of
27:16 their shows, it would be dicey. I don't
27:19 you know, it would be hard. It would be
27:21 hard. It would be hard. But these people
27:25 are on your show. Yeah. But I Yeah.
27:28 Well, yeah. Sorry. I mean I mean as
27:31 hosts like it is really important to
27:35 have a woman there. It changes the
27:38 dynamic of everything even if I'm
27:41 silent. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, now
27:43 you now what I would now I would agree
27:46 with is the guest, one of the two would
27:48 have gone further. Now, I wouldn't have
27:50 joined him, but he would have certainly
27:51 gone further. Well, here's where we
27:53 might disagree. So, yes, in this
27:55 situation, of course, I'm couldn't be
27:57 more grateful you're here at all times,
28:00 and this show absolutely needs you. Now,
28:03 I don't mind at all if there's a podcast
28:05 with five guys talking about guy [ __ ]
28:07 That's okay. We don't need a We don't
28:08 have to have a woman there. And we don't
28:10 need a man when there's a podcast of
28:12 five women talking about women [ __ ] I
28:14 don't think we need representation in
28:16 all places. It's it's plenty fine if
28:18 girls have a podcast and boys have a
28:20 podcast. That doesn't bother me at all.
28:22 Yeah. And boys can go ahead and talk
28:25 about the UFC the whole time and who
28:26 paid for dinner, all that stuff. That
28:29 like that shouldn't that's not the
28:32 enemy, I don't think. Yeah. Again, I I
28:34 don't think it's the enemy. I think they
28:36 should be able to do that. I there's I'm
28:39 not like you can't but I think like if
28:41 women shows don't need a man which they
28:44 don't. I don't think men's show need a
28:47 woman. Yeah. I mean then we get into
28:50 like women are talking about the things
28:53 that aren't being talked about because
28:56 that is not a group that gets a lot of
28:58 attention in that way. Like they're
29:01 talking about not getting paid. That is
29:03 important to talk about, right? Like I
29:05 don't think men on the men's podcasts
29:06 are saying like yeah women aren't
29:08 getting paid. That's to me sounds like
29:10 you're saying one is superior to the
29:12 other. That one has an ethical drive and
29:14 the other one is inane. And so no I
29:16 didn't say that's that's putting words
29:17 in my mouth. I I know. I'm telling you
29:18 what it sounds like. It sounds like
29:20 you're saying a women's show is needed
29:21 and they're they're a part of some kind
29:24 of good movement and the men's one is is
29:27 not. No, it's just representation. It's
29:31 just that that group needs they do need
29:32 more platforms to talk because there
29:36 aren't there aren't that many. So, it is
29:38 good to have I don't mean I'm not I also
29:40 think the women should have men on. I
29:41 think it's like I don't think The View
29:43 needs a man. I don't think Alex Cooper
29:45 needs a man. I think there's a Yeah,
29:47 you're Yes, that's true. There's tons of
29:50 very successful shows that are femaleled
29:54 and that's awesome there and they don't
29:56 need anything.
29:58 they are doing the show they want to do
29:59 and the audience who's consuming it
30:02 wants that show. Yeah, I agree. And I
30:04 the same has to be applied to the guys.
30:07 I agree. I agree. But I do think there's
30:09 a lot of
30:12 ideas currently. I mean, not even ideas.
30:14 We know we know what's happening to men.
30:18 Men are suffering. They are tanking.
30:21 Mhm. And I don't I often think some of
30:23 these things don't help
30:26 that personally for them. I think they
30:29 get very riled up and then they're just
30:32 continuing to do on to go on this course
30:34 that is not going to pull them out of
30:36 any of these ruts. I'm just saying I
30:39 don't think they have advice for how
30:42 the female dominated shows should be or
30:45 shouldn't be. I I don't think they're
30:47 telling anyone how your show should be
30:50 or how female shows should be, but I
30:52 think a lot of those men would feel
30:54 like, why are you even telling us what
30:55 our show has to be? Like, just don't
30:57 listen to our show if you don't want to
30:59 hear a bunch of talk about fighting and
31:02 stuff. Who cares? No. The the reason to
31:06 care is the implication it has on a huge
31:09 group of this country, sort of a
31:11 currently like kind of disenfranchised
31:13 male. Mhm. And they're like rallying
31:16 around. Yeah. And as I mean as they
31:19 should as But it's not working. It's not
31:21 getting them out of any of these bad
31:23 situations that they're in. I hate to
31:25 say this, it is working cuz they got
31:28 their president in there and they're all
31:30 suffering. I I mean literally all of
31:33 those people are I'm not agree freaking
31:35 out right now because I don't have any
31:37 money and they can't buy anything and
31:39 everything's gone. I don't want Trump to
31:42 be president. I don't agree with I I
31:44 mean name the thing that's going
31:47 on. But if the disenfranchise if you
31:49 make those folks black, take them out of
31:51 that they're white men, the black
31:54 community totally disenfranchised. You
31:56 get hiphop, you get rap, you get this
32:00 empowering art that comes out of it. And
32:02 for anyone who is sitting on the
32:05 sidelines telling Ice Cube how he should
32:06 be dealing with the situation when he's
32:09 got tons of raps about shooting people
32:11 and hating white people, the people that
32:13 were on the outside telling him how he
32:14 should deal with growing up in South
32:16 Central, we would both agree they should
32:19 shut the [ __ ] up cuz that's the
32:21 disenfranchised group and you're hearing
32:23 their voice now. So now there's another
32:25 disenfranchised group and they're doing
32:28 what generally people do that are
32:30 disenfranchised. They bond together over
32:31 that and then they try to get someone
32:33 they think is going to represent their
32:35 cause and those
32:39 people won the election.
32:41 Yeah. And they're going to and they and
32:44 it's and your your opinion is they'll
32:45 they'll suffer more under this
32:47 president. No, it's not my that is fact.
32:49 I don't think they're going to benefit.
32:51 But what I can say is we don't know the
32:53 result cuz four years isn't up. But what
32:55 we started just talking about is that
32:58 they they got their president and they
33:02 did. Yeah. And my opinion is that their
33:04 president that they all got [ __ ]
33:08 fooled and I don't think that I I do
33:10 think there's a respon maybe not a
33:13 responsibility. I would I would find it
33:16 to be my responsibility if we had a show
33:18 if our show if I started looking at our
33:22 audience and I was like hm our audience
33:25 is all believing something that I don't
33:28 think is actually correct
33:31 and is actually going to lead them to
33:35 suffer. I would want to do something
33:38 here to try to help cor help correct
33:39 that while keeping them apart. I just
33:43 think if your goal is to help this
33:45 disenfranchised group, I think saying
33:48 your conclusion is they got fooled,
33:50 which is if I'm them and I hear you say
33:53 you all got fooled. What I'm hearing you
33:56 say is you're smarter than I am and I
33:58 got fooled and I'm a fool. I think a
34:01 good chunk of men feel like all they've
34:02 been hearing for 10 years is how
34:05 terrible men are. I know you. Yeah, I
34:08 really believe that. Yeah. And I think
34:12 it's pretty predictable that this group
34:14 that's being told they're toxic and
34:16 terrible for 10 years is going to at
34:19 some point go, "Well, then [ __ ] you."
34:21 Yeah. And I think that's what you're
34:23 seeing. And I think if our continued
34:24 approach is to tell all of them that
34:26 they're terrible, Yeah. you're going to
34:28 see more of this. I think if you want
34:31 young men to be on our side, you have to
34:33 invite them. And I think you have to
34:36 make it seem like they're welcomed and
34:39 would we we'd be delighted to have them.
34:41 Yeah. And I think the messaging towards
34:45 men over the last decade has not made a
34:48 lot of them feel that way. Yeah, that's
34:50 pro. I'm sure that's right. And I think
34:51 even if they don't have a job, they're
34:53 un let's say they're unemployed today
34:54 and then they're unemployed in four
34:56 years, but at least someone got up and
34:58 said, "Hey, I'm not apologizing that I
35:00 was born male and I'm sick of hearing
35:02 the bullshit." then maybe that win for
35:04 them would be better if they're
35:06 unemployed on both sides of it. Okay,
35:08 then they can live their life like that.
35:11 Like that's I that is well that's a I
35:15 think that's a really it's very unfair
35:17 in my opinion for you to say that like
35:22 every so women have to do what women
35:27 always have to do which is plate men
35:29 because they have the power and say like
35:33 oh my god it's so you guys are so great
35:38 please come over we we huge gap Monica
35:40 between you're so great and just you're
35:43 so shitty. I think and you you could
35:48 argue and win that it's justified. So
35:50 yes, I think my general feeling about
35:52 women is much more positive than your
35:54 general feeling about men. And you could
35:55 argue that that's totally justified
35:56 because they're the patriarchy. They
35:58 commit the sex crimes. They do all the
36:01 murdering. Those are great reasons. And
36:03 I I'm not even going to argue. But I do
36:05 think my overall opinion of women is
36:07 higher than your overall opinion of men.
36:09 And I think I I feel it. Do you think
36:12 that's an accurate assessment that you
36:14 your overall opinion of men is much is
36:17 lower than my opinion of women than your
36:22 overall opinion? Um, yeah. Yeah. Okay.
36:24 But yes, for like being a woman in
36:26 America, that's not I I mean I I don't
36:29 know how to combat like you you you did
36:32 just kind of put me in a you did paint
36:34 me in a in a way like Yes, I know.
36:38 Because men Yeah. And I get it. And I
36:40 get it. And it's justified. So if you're
36:42 a man and I I'm a man and yes, there are
36:44 pedophiles that are men and there's
36:45 rapists that are men and there's a lot
36:48 of bad men. But if you paint me with the
36:50 same brush as those men, if you're
36:52 conflating me with those other people,
36:55 now I'm a group and now I have a group
36:57 identity. But that's not fair to I don't
37:01 think we have so many men who come on
37:05 this show, experts and and celebrities.
37:08 I'm not when they walk in, I'm not like,
37:10 "Well, I don't trust you or I'm not sure
37:13 if I like you." I I'm like, "Yes, I like
37:16 you." Until I until Yeah. something is
37:20 said or done that I where I don't Yeah.
37:22 I never experience it when we're
37:24 interviewing a guest. But that's me
37:27 interacting with many. I I experience it
37:29 when we do Armchair Anonymous and we're
37:31 listening to a woman's story. That's
37:33 when I observe it where it's like
37:36 there's no benefit of a doubt to the man
37:37 that's being talked
37:41 about. You'll generally go to, you know,
37:42 they're a terrible the girl who [ __ ] on
37:44 her boyfriend and he threw up and, you
37:47 know, that's where I'll notice it where
37:48 I where I'll go like, wow, I think
37:52 Monica's opinion of men is pretty low.
37:54 She's, you know, quick to assume the the
37:56 man in this story is the problem and not
37:57 the woman or that it would be equal,
37:59 maybe. And I think a lot of people feel
38:01 that way. And again, men have earned
38:04 that. But I'm not that man. And so many
38:07 of the men are not that men. And we
38:09 don't like it. Okay? Just like you
38:12 wouldn't like any negative stereotype
38:14 about Indians or women. You wouldn't
38:16 like it. But if I'm behaving in that
38:19 stereotype, I it's for you to lump you
38:21 in is a little like, well, I'm a man,
38:25 but I know you, right? You're my It's
38:27 not like you're a random man. I am. My
38:31 opinion of you is based on you and you
38:34 and me. It is not about any anything
38:36 stereotypical, right? I can tell you I
38:39 go to Kristen's cabaret show and there's
38:41 a woman host of it. She It's her show
38:44 and she does seven minutes on the world
38:46 would be perfect if there was an island
38:47 and it just had women on it and there
38:50 was no men and all the women clap in the
38:53 audience. That's a real thing that's
38:55 totally fine to say in public right now
38:57 and in fact gets applauded. And I'm a
38:58 dude in the audience and I'm like, "This
39:01 is a weird We're in a weird pattern
39:04 right now where this is not only fine
39:06 but applauded." And I'm looking at the
39:08 seven men in the room and I'm like,
39:10 "Yeah, this is weird. There's never been
39:13 Mhm. It's just if if that was the same
39:15 thing that was being done and men were
39:18 going, Dream World is a island with no
39:20 women." and everyone clapped, I'd go I
39:23 would go, "You guys are fucked." No, I
39:26 know. But but it's I think there's some
39:29 contradictions here because also when
39:32 these standups are making jokes about
39:36 women or other people of other races or
39:38 whatever. And in your response, which I
39:41 I think is correct, is if you don't like
39:44 it, don't watch it. Uhhuh. This is the
39:47 same thing. Why? Why is it if it's a
39:50 woman doing it, it's like that's really
39:52 bad, but the when men say something
39:54 sexist, you can you say like, "Well,
39:55 just yeah, that's not for you. Don't
39:57 watch it." No, I'm never laughing that a
39:59 guy goes, "Women suck and men should all
40:00 be together." I've never enjoyed a
40:02 stand-up routine or laughed at a joke
40:04 that that was that complicated. Her
40:05 entire thing was just, "Wouldn't it be
40:08 great if there were no men?" Now, had
40:10 she crafted an incredible joke and it
40:12 was funny, I would laugh at it for sure.
40:14 I don't have that big of a chip on my
40:16 shoulder. I'm just saying that's a weird
40:19 vibe and I'm in that kind of often and
40:22 I'm pretty evolved and I still go h this
40:24 is I don't want to be a man in this
40:26 room. I don't know why you hate men
40:28 across the board. I don't think you
40:32 should hate me. And I am semi-evolved.
40:34 So I'm imagining all these other kids
40:36 that are unemployed and and hearing that
40:39 sentiment and just going like okay I
40:42 guess it's us against them. Yeah. I
40:44 don't think most of the people in the
40:46 country are hearing the woman at the
40:48 cabaret show. I think that's very Los
40:50 Angeles and very New York. I don't think
40:52 that is happening. Yeah. But do you
40:54 agree at all that that's a weird thing
40:57 or no? What's a to say that the cabaret
40:59 show I went to? I think it's silly. I
41:01 don't agree with that. But I think her
41:03 saying it is is
41:06 not is Yeah. Some people are saying it
41:09 just like men are saying bad [ __ ] too.
41:10 And I and I'm just
41:13 like if we're going to say that it's
41:15 okay for those people to be saying those
41:18 things and we just can like have you
41:20 know we cannot listen or they can speak
41:23 to their people then I think that has to
41:26 be allowed anywhere. Oh yeah. I'm only
41:29 pointing out that that's happening.
41:31 Yeah. It's again it's happening on both
41:34 sides like crazy. But I and I don't
41:36 think that that cabaret host needs a
41:39 male and present. She's fine to do that
41:41 in her followers. She probably does
41:43 [ __ ] need a man there that she likes.
41:45 She does that. Actually, that's exact.
41:47 That's a perfect point. If she had
41:49 someone there that she did trust and
41:52 know and like that was a man, I doubt
41:55 that would be her opinion. But the fact
41:58 that she is so potentially I don't know
42:00 anything about this person but is so
42:05 siloed off and and that so much so that
42:07 that is her opinion that the world would
42:09 be would be better with no men that to
42:11 me is an indication that she needs to
42:13 have some more men in her life that are
42:16 good. I think that's a semi I don't
42:17 think that's a single-digit opinion. But
42:20 it's a but it to me that is a silo pro
42:22 that's an issue with silos and that's
42:25 exactly my whole problem with these
42:28 shows that are I think intensifying a
42:31 silo and I think you're right it is
42:35 happening on both sides where people are
42:37 only speaking to one group and these
42:38 thoughts are get and opinions are
42:41 getting so extreme like we should
42:45 eradicate a entire sex and gender like
42:47 no that's wild I just think it's a real
42:49 bad idea if we're just squaring off
42:52 like, okay, it's on. It's it's men
42:54 against women. And I think a lot of
42:56 people feel that way. And I think that's
42:58 a bad I think that's going to have a bad
42:59 [ __ ] outcome. It's bad. And I this
43:01 like now after an hour is circling back
43:05 to the what I was saying, which is I
43:06 think there would be less of it's men
43:09 versus women if men and women were in
43:11 rooms together a lot more and building
43:15 trust. I do too. Oh my god.
43:18 A long walk there. It was a entertaining
43:19 walk. I think a lot of people will have
43:21 heard their opinions voiced. Okay. Facts.
43:24 Facts.
43:27 Lauren. Sweet. Sweet Lauren Graham.
43:29 Well, we got a taste of her um what she
43:31 was saying with the young kids watching
43:34 Gilmore Girls cuz she left the garage
43:36 and we were in the yard and Delta had a
43:38 friend over from school and that friend
43:40 was freaking the [ __ ] out. Delta was
43:43 like, who was is Lauren on a show called
43:47 Gil? What is it? Gilmore Girls. Yeah,
43:50 she the Gilmore Girl. Oh, that it's
43:53 still going. An 11year-old.
43:56 That's really cute. Um, yeah. Special to
43:58 be on a show that just like keeps
44:01 finding its audience. Yeah. All right.
44:04 So, the book club, Jenna Bush Hagar's
44:06 book club. These are the books. The
44:09 Wedding People, Blue Sisters, The Mighty
44:12 Red, The Motherless Land, Devotions, The
44:14 Life Cycle of the Common Octopus, and
44:17 This is a Love Story. Those are the
44:19 last. That's from August of last year
44:21 till now. Lauren, have you read any of
44:23 those? No, I'm still reading an
44:27 Hermetzo. Okay. So, so stay tuned. Yeah.
44:28 And we'll come back to you next week
44:30 with that riddle. How long has May been
44:33 in show business? 94. When a man loves a
44:37 woman, she was six. Okay. 31 years. 30
44:40 wonderful years. Wow. That's crazy. And
44:43 then 93 she beat me by a decade. Yeah.
44:46 She was on Friends and then Lauren was
44:48 in 93. So she did beat her by one year.
44:52 Okay. 32 years. Yeah. The Howie
44:56 Mandel game show that they went to visit
44:59 is called Take It All. Did they take it
45:00 all? Oh, they were just watching. They
45:02 weren't contestants. Yeah, I don't think
45:05 they were contestants. But this is ding
45:07 ding sort of back to that riddle that we
45:09 haven't shared. Um, take it all is a
45:11 game show where the final two
45:12 contestants choose between keeping their
45:14 money or taking it all. The contestant
45:17 who chooses take it all wins all the
45:19 money and prizes from both contestants.
45:20 If both contestants choose take it all,
45:23 they both lose. Prisoner games. Yeah,
45:26 exactly. Zombardo non-ooperate.
45:30 Non-ooperative Milton games. Oh, the SNL
45:33 or part series. SNL50. Beyond Saturday
45:35 Night includes an episode that explores
45:37 a Saturday Night Live audition process.
45:38 It's on
45:41 Peacock if anyone is interested. The
45:43 movie she did with Joel McCale, A Merry
45:46 Friaking Christmas with Robin Williams.
45:48 How long did This Is Us run? Six
45:51 seasons. 106 episodes. You guys ran six
45:55 seasons. 103 episodes. Oh, they beat us.
45:56 Barely. Just resumed Paradise last
45:59 night. Same writer. Yeah, episode 8 was
46:03 bad. Oh, I'm behind then. O yeah, it's
46:05 back. It's all caught up to what our
46:08 screeners were. Oh, great. Yeah. Tasty.
46:10 We all watched it. The errands, the
46:14 girls, me last night. Yeah. Aaron was on
46:16 a second viewing of it. You know, Aaron
46:19 sees absolutely every show. That's good.
46:23 Yeah. I think that's fun. Yeah.
46:26 Oh, man. Um Yeah. Oh, well, I'm excited.
46:28 I'm excited to keep watching. Um All
46:30 right, that's it. That was all, Lauren.
46:32 All right. We love you, Lauren. We
46:34 really do. She's a nice I really want
46:37 her banana bread. Me, too. But I can't
46:40 even have it. If she brings it, you have
46:42 to eat some. This is This is Letterman
46:46 all over to put us to put a tux on. Yep.
46:48 That's right. Um All right. Love you.
46:49 Thank you. [Music]
